| makx | BenC: reading through udev diffs i see your modular udev usage | 12:05 |
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| makx | any reason why your keeping that modular? | 12:06 |
| lamont | BenC: elilo is broken. sub-problem: elilo is ftbfs with current binutils | 12:08 |
| lamont | I'm working on that thing | 12:08 |
| makx | there also seems races mentioned in autoloading 'unix'.. | 12:12 |
| BenC | makx: I don't do udev | 12:12 |
| BenC | Kamion does udev | 12:13 |
| makx | yeah but you do .config CONFIG_UNIX=m | 12:13 |
| BenC | yes, we always have | 12:13 |
| BenC | lamont: so newer elilo will get initramfs working? | 12:13 |
| makx | cache line bounces.. | 12:14 |
| BenC | is there an actual problem, or just theory? :) | 12:14 |
| makx | we'll see ;-) | 12:15 |
| lamont | BenC: new elilo and a few other kernel fixes that already went into 2.6.15 (iirc), yes. | 12:15 |
| BenC | breezy's unix.ko is modular, and I'd be willing to bet hoary is too | 12:15 |
| lamont | new elilo may require new gnuefi as well, but that's where I'm currently floundering | 12:15 |
| BenC | lamont: is the elilo source in the archive? | 12:15 |
| lamont | yes | 12:16 |
| lamont | but ftbfs | 12:16 |
| lamont | binutils got more pedantic. | 12:16 |
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| BenC | what exactly is gnuefi? | 12:20 |
| BenC | lamont-away: ? | 12:29 |
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| jbailey_ | BenC: I've got the UseFB turned off now, I'll let oyu know how it goes. | 12:52 |
| jbailey_ | I did a strace chvt, and it hangs in the middle of an ioctl. | 12:52 |
| jbailey_ | I did an strace -p on the running X server, and it's not making any syscalls at all. | 12:52 |
| jbailey_ | Even though I did see two signals sent to it. | 12:52 |
| BenC | ok, next time "cat /proc/<pid>/wchan of the X process | 12:55 |
| jbailey | 'k | 12:59 |
| jbailey | What's that file? | 01:00 |
| jbailey | When I look at the current one, I don't understand the contents. It looks like the start of the data segment. | 01:00 |
| BenC | it's the function in the kernel where the process is | 01:02 |
| jbailey | Ah, cool. | 01:02 |
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| jbailey | BenC: It was either in ,__start or .drm_compat_ioctl | 01:27 |
| jbailey | It flipped between the two. I did about a dozen cats. | 01:28 |
| jbailey | This time I tried just kill -9'ing the X server after that. | 01:28 |
| jbailey | gdm restarted. | 01:28 |
| BenC | did everything work after that? | 01:28 |
| jbailey | I'm on that session now. | 01:28 |
| BenC | drm_compat, huh | 01:28 |
| jbailey | It's wroking well enough to x-chat, anyway. | 01:28 |
| BenC | sounds like drm compat ioctl's might be behind the actual drm ioctl's | 01:29 |
| BenC | the compat is for conversion between 32-bit userland and 64-bit kernel ioctl's | 01:29 |
| jbailey | Ah, so it's basically a thunk? | 01:29 |
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| jbailey | JaneW: Aren't you supposed to be asleep? | 01:29 |
| BenC | and if something in the kernel/userland changed, and the compat doesn't know about it, then it might cause problems | 01:29 |
| BenC | yeah | 01:29 |
| jbailey | Anything for me to look at next time around? =) | 01:31 |
| jbailey | I guess for kicks, I could try a 32 bit kernel. | 01:31 |
| jbailey | BenC: Is this still an -rc1 kernel, or are you tracking upstream? | 01:32 |
| jbailey | Hmm,. and my sparc box was hung. | 01:36 |
| jbailey | Maybe it's just a bad day to be in my computer room | 01:36 |
| BenC | jbailey: no, it's -rc3+some | 01:36 |
| jbailey | linux-meta points to 2.6.16-5 on sparc instead of -6. | 01:40 |
| BenC | weird | 01:55 |
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| BenC | sparc needs to build it still I guess | 01:55 |
| BenC | lamont-away: ping | 01:55 |
| jbailey | I didn't think linux-meta had ever pointed to -5. | 01:58 |
| BenC | yeah, infinity uploaded prior to -6 at mdz's urging | 01:59 |
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| jbailey | rtc_init: no PC rtc found | 01:59 |
| jbailey | Kenel panic. | 01:59 |
| BenC | panic? | 01:59 |
| jbailey | That would be a 'no', I guess. =) | 01:59 |
| BenC | the RTC thng I get too, but it still boots | 01:59 |
| jbailey | Hmm, unable t mount root. | 01:59 |
| BenC | do you have it on quiet? | 01:59 |
| jbailey | Maybe it's a different thing. | 01:59 |
| jbailey | Yeah. | 01:59 |
| jbailey | Lemme see if I can get the old kernel running. =) | 01:59 |
| BenC | "old" should work | 02:00 |
| jbailey | bah, stop-a isn't working. | 02:00 |
| jbailey | It should, assumingI got my silo.conf right. | 02:00 |
| BenC | you're lucky, it doesn't take 2 minutes to soft-boot and 6 minutes to hard-boot your ultra :) | 02:00 |
| jbailey | I did this install by hand froma debootsrap off of an old rescue CD. =) | 02:00 |
| jbailey | Bah, I did make a typo. | 02:01 |
| jbailey | *sigh* | 02:01 |
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| BenC | nah, just do "/boot/vmlinuz.old initrd=/boot/initrd.old root=/dev/xxx" | 02:01 |
| jbailey | Ah, I didn't know you could pass initrd on the cmmand line there. | 02:02 |
| BenC | yeah, silo parses it out and loads it | 02:03 |
| jbailey | I wonder if my sparc is just broken now. I've gotten two data access errors and it just hung during Uncompressing Image. | 02:06 |
| jbailey | Or if power's bad here in the winter. | 02:06 |
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| jbailey | There we go, silo changed to say vmlinuz instead of vmlinux | 02:12 |
| jbailey | And it's booting on old. | 02:13 |
| jbailey | BenC: Why does your box take so long, SCSI arrays? | 02:13 |
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| jbailey | Interesting, this kernel just hung with a TRAPLOG message. | 02:14 |
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| jbailey | Hmm. When I run silo, it doesn't actually check to see if the files exist, doe sit? | 02:16 |
| jbailey | BenC: Looks like it was my bad. I screwed up the link to initrd.img | 02:18 |
| BenC | jbailey: the UltraEnterprise systems have a hell of a POST | 02:19 |
| BenC | jbailey: ok, so it boots and all? | 02:19 |
| jbailey | Yup | 02:20 |
| jbailey | I'm in 2.6.15-6 now | 02:20 |
| jbailey | Oh, hmm. | 02:22 |
| jbailey | This new kernel doesn't seem to pick the network card on the scan. | 02:22 |
| jbailey | I have two nics in here. | 02:22 |
| jbailey | It's seeing the 3c59x fine | 02:22 |
| jbailey | Not the onboard. | 02:22 |
| jbailey | And apparnetly hitting ctrl-alt-delete hung it. | 02:23 |
| jbailey | Perhaps I should just throw it out the window now? =( | 02:23 |
| jbailey | Is there an easy wya to see which driver is associated with with eth interface? | 02:26 |
| jbailey | It looks like the bus scan is seeing both a tulip and a 3c59x | 02:27 |
| jbailey | (in both 2.6.15 and 2.6.12) | 02:27 |
| jbailey | But one of them isn't producing an interface in 2.6.15 | 02:27 |
| jbailey | Ah, dmesg - looks like sunhme | 02:30 |
| jbailey | Hmm, no it's showing up as eth2. | 02:34 |
| jbailey | Ah, I see. It didn't see it before beacuse I was using ifup, which needs configury in /etc/network/interfaces | 02:34 |
| jbailey | So the detection order has changed. | 02:34 |
| BenC | ah | 02:36 |
| BenC | yeah, iftab problem | 02:36 |
| BenC | plus, if you upgraded udev so that hotplug is gone, the hotplug thing in /etc/network/interfaces appears to not work anymore | 02:37 |
| jbailey | Yeah, did that. | 02:48 |
| jbailey | BenC: Anyhow, thanks. Anything else you want tried on the ppc box? sparc is now building gdb for me to do my hacking there. I'll let you know if I still get full hangs when debugging. =) | 03:26 |
| jbailey | Otherwise I'm starting to look at biarch gdb for sparc. | 03:26 |
| BenC | ok | 03:26 |
| BenC | nothing I can think of right now | 03:26 |
| BenC | if you have problems with 64-bit gdb on sparc, let davem know (or me and I can relay) | 03:27 |
| jbailey | 32 bit gdb was hanging my box solid before. | 03:27 |
| jbailey | But I'm hoping 2.6.15 will make that go away. | 03:27 |
| jbailey | If you're just going to relay, I can catch him on irc - are you interested, though / do you want to be cc:'d? | 03:28 |
| BenC | interested, but you don't need to keep me in the loop | 03:33 |
| BenC | just the outcome is all that's important :) | 03:33 |
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| jbailey | BenC: Killing the Xorg daemon a second time works, so whatever it is, it doesn't seem to be chewing up all the resources in the kernel in a hurry. | 05:07 |
| BenC | strange bug | 05:08 |
| jbailey | I've tried to take a picture of the kernel message to the screen where the sparc box hung. I suspect this box is just fubar, maybe. | 05:08 |
| BenC | usually I would expect a bug in the kernel that affected X like that, to atleast put the X process into D state | 05:09 |
| jbailey | It looks like line noise, follow by a struct dump | 05:09 |
| BenC | can you get a serial console on it? | 05:09 |
| jbailey | Assuming my laplink cable isn't dead, yet. I bought one before UBZ, but when we tried to use it there, it didn't seem to work. | 05:10 |
| jbailey | But the a500 we were testing was also dead, so it's hard to tell which parts weren't working. =) | 05:10 |
| jbailey | I've also taken 'quiet' off of the kernel command line now, so next time I might get a better dump | 05:10 |
| BenC | the a500 has a screwy serial port (it's actually 3-in-1), hopefully the sparc is ok with it | 05:10 |
| jbailey | The a500 wasn' posting at all. The SCSI card wasn't even init'ing the drives. | 05:11 |
| jbailey | Bah, the sparc didn't make it long enoug to finish my gdb package. | 05:12 |
| jbailey | Mmm, nice the testsuite resumed. | 05:12 |
| BenC | weird, the GSP console should work even when power is off (it's a completelt seperate system | 05:13 |
| jbailey | Yeah. Grant suggested that it might have been the power supply itself that went. | 05:13 |
| jbailey | There seem to be a whole pile of dejagnu failures. Do you know if anyone actively looks at sparc-linux gdb, or is it just something davem and a few people do in their spare time? | 05:26 |
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| jbailey | Wow, long scroll. | 06:08 |
| jbailey | The oops went on for 6 or 7 pages. I will need to hook a serial console up to catch it. | 06:08 |
| jbailey | Nice to see it out of quiet mode though. | 06:09 |
| jbailey | I'll wire that up tomorrow. | 06:09 |
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| BenC | lamont: hey | 03:57 |
| lamont | yo | 03:59 |
| fabbione | hey BenC | 04:01 |
| BenC | hey fabbione | 04:01 |
| BenC | lamont: The version of elilo on ports.u.c seems to be the same version as the .deb | 04:02 |
| lamont | right | 04:02 |
| BenC | lamont: how is rebuilding it going to get initramfs working? | 04:02 |
| lamont | binutils was upgraded after it built | 04:02 |
| BenC | so initramfs not working is bintutils related? | 04:02 |
| lamont | it won't - it needs a new upstream. upstream is working with me on getting it to compile again | 04:02 |
| BenC | I got it to compile | 04:03 |
| lamont | no. initramfs not working is an elilo bug. elilo not building is related to binutils being more pedantic now | 04:03 |
| lamont | on current dapper? | 04:03 |
| BenC | new yes | 04:03 |
| lamont | woot | 04:03 |
| lamont | with current gnuefi? | 04:03 |
| BenC | I fixed some assembly bugs (.endp and such), and then copied the linker script from the newer gnu-efi (to DISCARD IA_64.unwind symbols) | 04:04 |
| lamont | send me your patch please | 04:04 |
| BenC | newer gnu-efi is probably a 20 linue diff | 04:04 |
| BenC | ok | 04:04 |
| lamont | I'll push it to upstream on monday (he sits across the building from me..) | 04:04 |
| lamont | and then he'll upload to debian, and we'll sync, and all will be love. | 04:04 |
| fabbione | mafia :) | 04:05 |
| BenC | any chance I can get his patch for elilo+initramfs to test? | 04:05 |
| lamont | monday | 04:05 |
| lamont | I don't have iut | 04:05 |
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| lamont | back in a while | 04:06 |
| BenC | ok, I'll send you a patch for gnu-efi 3.0a's linker script, and then a patch for elilo's ia64/{set,long}jmp.S assembly | 04:06 |
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| trevilor | hi guys | 04:10 |
| lamont | BenC: thanks. (although I had the assembly stuff done - was working on time to hack gnu-efi) | 05:11 |
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| jb-home | BenC: Around? | 06:00 |
| BenC | yeah | 06:00 |
| BenC | lamont: booting with the rebuilt elilo doesn't work | 06:00 |
| BenC | lamont: it shows "Starting Ubuntu" and goes back to the efi menu | 06:01 |
| BenC | jb-home: yeah | 06:01 |
| jb-home | BenC: I'm playing more on the sparc box - I've got the serial console wired up. | 06:01 |
| jb-home | When rebuilding gdb, it seemed to hang it, no output to the serial port at all. | 06:01 |
| jb-home | When I rebooted, I had a whole pile of bus errors. | 06:01 |
| BenC | break signal doesn't get it out to OBP? | 06:01 |
| jb-home | Is there any chance this is something other than hardawre? | 06:02 |
| BenC | bus errors? | 06:02 |
| jb-home | Nope, no response on the keyboard at all. | 06:02 |
| jb-home | Lemme fetch the log off of the laptop. | 06:02 |
| BenC | are you running latest things like libc6 and such? | 06:02 |
| jb-home | Yup, up to date dapper | 06:02 |
| jb-home | [ 10.201895] SABRE0: PCI SERR signal asserted. | 06:04 |
| jb-home | [ 10.412781] SABRE0: PCI bus error, PCI_STATUS[83a0] | 06:04 |
| jb-home | repeat until | 06:04 |
| jb-home | [ 16.953369] SABRE0: PCI bus error, PCI_STATUS[83a0] | 06:04 |
| jb-home | [ 17.178580] SABRE0: PCI SERR signal asserted. | 06:04 |
| jb-home | Then the timer reset to 0 | 06:04 |
| jb-home | It got up to 16 a second time, reset to 0 | 06:04 |
| jb-home | Then then went for another 2.5 seconds. | 06:04 |
| jb-home | http://people.ubuntu.com/~jbailey/minicom.cap | 06:05 |
| mjg59 | Can I shove some more drivers in l-r-m? | 06:07 |
| jb-home | mjg59: I may pout if they really suck to support. | 06:08 |
| BenC | jb-home: that really looks like hardware | 06:08 |
| jb-home | I've been wondering if we need to have two l-r-m's. One for restricted, one for multiverse. | 06:08 |
| mjg59 | jb-home: Modem drivers | 06:09 |
| BenC | sabre, what type of ultrasparc is that | 06:09 |
| jb-home | BenC: How do I tell? It says Ultra 5 on the front, and has the usual compaq grey casing. | 06:09 |
| BenC | that's all I needed to know | 06:09 |
| BenC | Ultra IIi | 06:09 |
| mjg59 | Wow. That one actually built against 2.6.12. | 06:09 |
| BenC | IIi has PCI built into the CPU | 06:10 |
| jb-home | mjg59: Modem drivers probably should go in there. | 06:10 |
| jb-home | Especially if they're for an iBook. | 06:10 |
| jb-home | *sigh* | 06:10 |
| mjg59 | jb-home: I can't remember what the iBook has, but I have a feeling it's weird conexant shit | 06:10 |
| mjg59 | jb-home: We have two choices there: | 06:11 |
| BenC | jb-home: at the OBP prompt try "probe-pci-all" and "test-pci" | 06:11 |
| BenC | or "test pci" can't remember which it is, but "help test" might tell you for sure | 06:11 |
| jb-home | ok probe-pci-all | 06:11 |
| jb-home | probe-pci-all ? | 06:11 |
| mjg59 | 1) We ship the Linuxant drivers which are limited to 14.4bps unless you pay them | 06:11 |
| mjg59 | 2) We ship the older versions of their drivers, which are GPLed (except for the closed bits). The license allows redistribution. We have to forward-port to 2.6. | 06:12 |
| BenC | lamont: I'm trying to setup my i2k so that EFI is on the serial console, and I get output, but I can't seem to find the right baud rate | 06:12 |
| jb-home | test pci, Device pci not found, help test, No help available for test. | 06:12 |
| BenC | EFI says 115k, and I have my serial setup at 115k, but it isn't working (shows garbage) | 06:12 |
| jb-home | BenC: IIRC, It's 19200 on my ia64. | 06:12 |
| jb-home | And E71 or something like that. | 06:13 |
| BenC | E71? weird, EFI says 115xxx,8N1 | 06:13 |
| jb-home | Might have just been the way mine was setup. | 06:13 |
| jb-home | It took me a couple goes to get it right, though. | 06:13 |
| BenC | it wont let me change it, so I guess it's hardcoded | 06:13 |
| jb-home | mjg59: Are the closed bits actually just loaded firmware, or are they things that might need updating? | 06:14 |
| mjg59 | jb-home: They're basically chunks of the Windows driver | 06:14 |
| mjg59 | Hang on, let me find you a URL | 06:14 |
| BenC | that got me garbage too | 06:15 |
| mjg59 | There's a more recent version of the ltmodem driver, too | 06:21 |
| jb-home | mjg59: What do you suggest? I don't really know anythign about it. | 06:26 |
| jb-home | Just that I've had two people ask me about whether we support modems on iBook. Not even a statistic. =) | 06:27 |
| mjg59 | Ah, hmm. | 06:30 |
| mjg59 | The iBook (it seems) has USB Conexant stuff | 06:30 |
| BenC | this serial console is pissing me off | 06:41 |
| BenC | the EFI says it is 115384 (not 115200) and 8N1 | 06:42 |
| BenC | 115200 8N1 shows me garbage, even tried switching on/off the hw and sw flow control | 06:42 |
| BenC | time for google I guess | 06:43 |
| BenC | jb-home: did you have to use a null modem connector for your i2k? | 06:47 |
| BenC | there's a good reason | 06:52 |
| BenC | my e3k's serial port cannot be set to 115200 | 06:52 |
| jb-home | BenC: I don't thin so. Besids, if you needed a null, you wouldn't get any garbage at all from connecting tx to tx, rx to rx. | 07:12 |
| BenC | you're right, just grabbing at straws, but now I'm sure it's just a matter of not being able to set my ultrasparc port to 115200 (where I'm running minicom) | 07:13 |
| lamont | 9600 or 19200 is pretty normal - that or autosensing | 07:50 |
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| zul | heylo | 08:02 |
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| zul | BenC: sata and ata cdroms broke in 2.6.15? | 08:10 |
| BenC | I've seen one report saying such | 08:12 |
| zul | yeah looks there is a module param called atapi_enabled now | 08:12 |
| BenC | the one report I saw looked more like a resource conflict, possibly with ide-generic | 08:12 |
| zul | looks like the behaviour changed in 2.6.13 | 08:13 |
| BenC | did you test this param? | 08:13 |
| zul | no i dont have sata at home, ill test it at work when i get into work tomorrow | 08:13 |
| zul | http://www.ussg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0508.3/1620.html | 08:14 |
| zul | there isnt a #define ATA_ENABLE_ATAPI anymore | 08:15 |
| zul | ill upgrade my computer tomorrow and see what breaks...yeehaww :) | 08:15 |
| BenC | ah | 08:16 |
| BenC | does PATA handle things where atapi_enabled was needed? | 08:16 |
| zul | not sure...still looking | 08:16 |
| BenC | the libata-dev merge I just did included 4 or 5 new PATA drivers | 08:16 |
| zul | accroding to this wiki page im looking at configure the sata system as built-in and add libata.atapi_enabled=1 to the kernel command line | 08:17 |
| zul | uh...wait.. | 08:17 |
| zul | modprobe libata apatpi_enabled=1 should work as well | 08:18 |
| BenC | yeah, for our kernel, you need the modprobe | 08:18 |
| BenC | so I'd add it in /etc/mkinitramfs somewhere | 08:18 |
| zul | get the guy on the kernel mailing list to do it | 08:18 |
| BenC | the atapi_enabled=1 param that is | 08:18 |
| BenC | ok | 08:19 |
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| zul | stupid xchat | 08:19 |
| zul | im emailling the list right now | 08:20 |
| BenC | just did | 08:20 |
| BenC | I wonder if the ATAPI support is stable enough for us now | 08:21 |
| BenC | to be enabled by default I mean | 08:21 |
| zul | i can test it | 08:21 |
| zul | ill be back later | 08:32 |
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| jb-home | BenC: So s the idea that ide-generic finally goes away and we get libata instead? | 08:41 |
| calc | does sata/libata finally support smart yet? | 08:56 |
| BenC | yeah, the sata passthrough supports smart now | 09:02 |
| BenC | jb-home: legacy IDE needs ide-generic, IIRC | 09:02 |
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| BenC | that 15" was getting old | 09:03 |
| fabbione | i am happy with my 3x21" ;) | 09:09 |
| fabbione | CRT tho... | 09:09 |
| fabbione | have a nice day guys | 09:09 |
| fabbione | cya around | 09:10 |
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| CataEnry | hi * | 10:40 |
| CataEnry | good night all :) | 11:16 |
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| dilinger | hm | 11:48 |
| dilinger | libata finally supports smart ioctls? as of when? | 11:48 |
| dilinger | 2.6.12 certainly doesn't :( | 11:49 |
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