[12:19] <\sh> tseng: dude, u were involved in this gentoo hardened project?
[12:19] <tseng> yes
[12:20] <tseng> anyways
[12:20] <Kyral> touche
[12:20] <\sh> Kyral: there is nothing wrong with Gentoo...
[12:20] <tseng> gentoo hardened was a ground breaking project
[12:20] <Kyral> Yah I know. I just had a bad experiance with it
[12:20] <tseng> whether you like the lamers who use the distro or not
[12:21] <\sh> tseng: yeah...someone in the german dev channel mentioned it yesterday..and was missing you...when I told him your name (just guessing) he said "What, Brandon is now at Ubuntu?"
[12:21] <tseng> hm pappy?
[12:21] <\sh> tseng: na...pappy is obsolete :)
[12:21] <tseng> haha
[12:21] <tseng> he is brainfragged
[12:22] <rave_> tseng r u on the motu maling ?
[12:22] <\sh> tseng: CoC :)
[12:22] <tseng> rave_: maling?
[12:22] <rave_> mailing list
[12:22] <tseng> i wasnt aware there was one
[12:22] <\sh> damn...40th cigarette for today
[12:23] <tseng> the motu mailing list has been shot down a few times
[12:23] <LaserJock> it's going now
[12:23] <\sh> tseng: now this ML is R E A L I T Y
[12:23] <tseng> then no :)
[12:23] <tseng> I'm not
[12:23] <rave_> i didnt get my mailing yet
[12:24] <tseng> the list server backs up sometimes
[12:24] <Kyral> oh I have a question from one of my friends. He wants to know where we got the 2.6.15-6 kernel when it isn't out on Kernel.org
[12:24] <rave_> did any one ?? about my logo page off motu ?
[12:24] <tseng> Kyral: its from GIT
[12:24] <tseng> Kyral: and various other patches
[12:24] <Kyral> Thats what I thought and told him
[12:24] <tseng> cool
[12:24] <LaserJock> Kyral: it is on kernel.org
[12:25] <\sh> rave_: i received it
[12:26] <rave_> \sh okey maybe its because i resendly changed from digist to life
[12:26] <rave_> because i didnt get my own mailing yet
[12:26] <\sh> it's there.. do not worry
[12:26] <rave_> okey ty
[12:26] <\sh> mailman never lose mails *ugh*
[12:27] <rave_> but what should we do with the MOTUlogo page ?
[12:27] <tseng> \sh: i cant think of any other germans but pappy
[12:27] <rave_> when and who will deside about a logo ?
[12:27] <tseng> but my memory is bad
[12:27] <\sh> tseng: kugelfang
[12:27] <tseng> hm yes
[12:27] <\sh> ian
[12:27] <\sh> beejay
[12:27] <tseng> tell them hi :)
[12:27] <tseng> esp beejay
[12:27] <rave_> neeh
[12:28] <\sh> tseng: oh...beejay goes the way of pappy sometimes ;-)
[12:28] <tseng> have you met him?
[12:28] <rave_> ogra or dholbach wll i think
[12:28] <tseng> http://www.gentoo.org/images/gwn/20040816_beejay.jpg
[12:28] <tseng> you cant miss him
[12:28] <rave_> Bjay
[12:28] <\sh> tseng: no...I just avoided to meet the gentoo guys...even when I'm member of their association..but tomorrow i'll meet ian, dertobi123
[12:29] <sistpoty> hi folks
[12:29] <\sh> tseng: for sure..too many quarter pounder :)
[12:29] <LaserJock> tseng: so do you still run Gentoo?
[12:29] <tseng> LaserJock: no.
[12:29] <rave_> thank god :)
[12:29] <rave_> good you used ur mind :)
[12:29] <LaserJock> tseng: anything other than Ubuntu? just curious
[12:30] <tseng> LaserJock: erm, to enumerate
[12:30] <LaserJock> rave_: I really like Gentoo. It's a lot of fun
[12:30] <tseng> fedora, redhat 8, 9, various Enterprise
[12:30] <tseng> debian
[12:30] <\sh> slackware to mention
[12:30] <rave_> LaserJock nope man
[12:30] <LaserJock> tseng: are you the tseng on fedoraforums?
[12:30] <rave_> LaserJock debian and ubuntu rule my servers :)
[12:30] <rave_> apr-get myupdates
[12:30] <tseng> LaserJock: i hope not, i avoid forums like the plague :)
[12:31] <rave_> *apr-get install myupdates
[12:31] <\sh> hehehe...
[12:31] <LaserJock> tseng: I don't blame you ;-)
[12:33] <LaserJock> I think I might have installed Debian once, a long time ago. For me, if it's either Gentoo or Ubuntu. But that's just me so I will shut up now.
[12:34] <Kyral> Slack into Gentoo into Ubuntu
[12:34] <sistpoty> I have windows installed
[12:35] <LaserJock> sistpoty: that's ok. I have only Windows at home :(
[12:35] <tseng> i have windows installed too
[12:36] <tseng> no holy wars here these days
[12:36] <sistpoty> no, and I even don't think win is all bad... (apart from that it costs money)
[12:37] <LaserJock> sistpoty: yeah, I would run it more if they paid me *g*
[12:39] <sistpoty> hehe... I wouldn't say it's the best os or something, just that it ain't all bad ;)
[12:43] <xhaker> hey
[12:44] <xhaker> i'm having trouble here
[12:44] <rave_> :|
[12:44] <xhaker> my orig.tar.gz has a directory.. lets call it "blah"
[12:44] <xhaker> i used in my rules file
[12:44] <xhaker> dh_install black /
[12:44] <xhaker> blah /
[12:45] <xhaker> keeps telling me "blah" does not exist
[12:49] <sistpoty> xhaker: so your extracted source-package would have /blah?
[12:50] <xhaker> sistpoty, orig.tar.gz has /blah
[12:51] <sistpoty> xhaker: usually dh_install blah should install /blah to debian/tmp/blah/
[12:52] <sistpoty> xhaker: you could try to extract your sourcepackage and test the steps manually
[12:52] <sistpoty> xhaker: like calling debian/rules install
[12:59] <xhaker> sistpoty, i'm doing dh_make file.tar.gz , i'm not supposed to extract first am i?
[01:00] <sistpoty> xhaker: depends on what you want to do... but I don't think dh_make to a tarball will do any good
[01:01] <sistpoty> xhaker: if you want to debianize a package, you should extract the tarball, and call dh_make inside the extracted tarball
[01:03] <xhaker> sistpoty, that was it
[01:03] <xhaker> lol
[01:17] <xhaker> who is going to give me some love http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1063
[01:21] <raphink> xhaker: in my email, don't take in consideration the stuff about postinst and prerm, this is fine ;)
[01:22] <xhaker> mail ?
[01:22] <xhaker> oh
[01:22] <raphink> I sent you an email xhaker
[01:22] <xhaker> received it
[01:22] <raphink> ;)
[01:22] <raphink> sistpoty: if I review packages and send email to packagers, should I forward a copy of the emails to a MOTU?
[01:23] <xhaker> oh raphink i've already reuploaded
[01:23] <sistpoty> raphink: that would be very good... maybe you could even use motu-reviewer ml for that
[01:23] <xhaker> with that orig.tar.gz fixed
[01:23] <raphink> yes I saw that xhaker
[01:23] <raphink> you can still look at the other points
[01:23] <raphink> sistpoty: I'll try to apply for membership soon enough, too
[01:23] <sistpoty> :)
[01:24] <raphink> sistpoty: do you think my contributions are big enough so far ?
[01:24] <raphink> (just wanting to have the opinion of several before going for it ;))
[01:25] <sistpoty> raphink: do you mean membership or motu?
[01:25] <raphink> well membership first ;)
[01:25] <sistpoty> raphink: for membership you've done more than enough imo...
[01:25] <raphink> I have to be a member before I get to be a motu
[01:25] <rave_> raphink me 2
[01:25] <sistpoty> raphink: yep
[01:25] <raphink> ok :)
[01:25] <raphink> then maybe I could apply on the 6th?
[01:25] <rave_> raphink seen you on the 6th :)
[01:25] <rave_> lol
[01:25] <rave_> *see
[01:25] <sistpoty> xhaker: that gives me creeps: sudoers_file.write('ALL     ALL=(root) NOPASSWD: /usr/bin/gtkwifi-settings-client\n')
[01:26] <raphink> rave_: what do you mean seen me?
[01:26] <raphink> haha ok
[01:26] <rave_> we will be side by side
[01:26] <rave_> i did go tough it before
[01:26] <rave_> dont wurry
[01:26] <raphink> the 6th is a tuesday...
[01:26] <raphink> at what time is the meeting?
[01:26] <rave_> just relax chill and wave and smile boys :)
[01:26] <xhaker> sistpoty, it shouldn't it's harmless.. it's an interface to ifconfig and iwconfig
[01:26] <rave_> 14:00
[01:26] <raphink> 14:00 UTC
[01:27] <rave_> american time
[01:27] <rave_> i thing
[01:27] <rave_> *think
[01:27] <rave_> i took my day off
[01:27] <sistpoty> xhaker: fiddling with a file not in your package is never harmless. don't do it. apart from that fiddling with sudoers is not at all harmless
[01:27] <rave_> not only because of the council
[01:27] <raphink> i guess that's 15:00 french time
[01:27] <sistpoty> xhaker: what if s.o. has modified sudoers?
[01:27] <rave_> but when i was in i wanted to drink :D
[01:27] <rave_> raphink whats ur wiki
[01:27] <xhaker> s.o ?
[01:28] <rave_> i know from before
[01:28] <Nafallo> someone
[01:28] <rave_> what they dont like
[01:28] <rave_> so i can preview you
[01:28] <raphink> rave_: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RaphaelPinson
[01:29] <rave_> you preview me https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JohnnyMast
[01:29] <rave_> im also 23 !! lol
[01:29] <raphink> nice :)=
[01:29] <raphink> :)
[01:30] <rave_> i like ur package list
[01:30] <xhaker> raphink, what do you mean with that gpl thingie?
[01:30] <xhaker> i already include the short version
[01:30] <xhaker> i think
[01:30] <xhaker> +You are free to distribute this software under the terms of
[01:30] <xhaker> +the GNU General Public License.
[01:30] <xhaker> +On Debian systems, the complete text of the GNU General Public
[01:30] <xhaker> +License can be found in the file `/usr/share/common-licenses/GPL'.
[01:30] <xhaker> right?
[01:31] <sistpoty> xhaker: that's not enough
[01:31] <sistpoty> xhaker: read the GPL ;) (you'll find a hint at the bottom, which lines you should include)
[01:31] <rave_> raphink what do you think of mine ?
[01:31] <xhaker> should it be the 22 lines version?
[01:31] <raphink> xhaker: http://pastebin.com/446831
[01:32] <raphink> that's what I usually put
[01:32] <sistpoty> raphink: that's the exact thing ;)
[01:32] <raphink> your page is impressive rave_
[01:32] <rave_> thanks
[01:32] <raphink> sistpoty: I just cp the copyright and rules from other packages and adapt them each time
[01:32] <rave_> ile hope i make it
[01:33] <raphink> and the ones from dh_make are not good
[01:33] <rave_> because you have a high change of making it
[01:33] <sistpoty> raphink: no, they aren't... s.o. should fix dh_make
[01:33] <raphink> sistpoty: I should fix just my dh_make or dh_make should be fixed for Ubuntu ? ;)
[01:34] <sistpoty> raphink: actually upstream should fix it :)
[01:34] <raphink> hehe
[01:34] <raphink> that's what I understood
[01:34] <raphink> but then why not make patches on the dh_make package so it generates the right files ?
[01:34] <raphink> it also generates control with debhelper 4.0 instead of 4.1
[01:37] <xhaker> raphink, thanks for the help.. changed it accordingly
[01:38] <raphink> ok good
[01:38] <raphink> I'll review it again when you uploda
[01:38] <raphink> upload
[01:40] <rave_> LaserJock <-- its back
[01:42] <rave_> :)
[01:43] <rave_> raphink do you like reverce engenerring ??
[01:43] <rave_> im thinking abourt starting a reverce egeneering team
[01:44] <raphink> I don't do reverse engineering rave_
[01:44] <raphink> but it's nice
[01:44] <rave_> because i want to add to add support to ubuntu for the sony network mp3 hdd
[01:44] <raphink> nice
[01:44] <raphink> nothing exists yet?
[01:45] <rave_> so after ipod unbuntu will have support for a major player
[01:45] <rave_> nope its all win32
[01:45] <raphink> ok
[01:45] <rave_> its called
[01:45] <rave_> hmm sonic mp3
[01:45] <rave_> or sonic studio
[01:45] <rave_> something with soney
[01:45] <raphink> ok
[01:46] <raphink> I wouldn't support sony stuff
[01:46] <raphink> with they way they behave lately
[01:46] <rave_> they usded it on MD`s as well
[01:46] <rave_> so if we could crack it
[01:46] <rave_> LOL
[01:46] <rave_> no it has nothing todo with there cd`s
[01:46] <raphink> we work on OSS, not crackes soft
[01:46] <xhaker> raphink, http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1064
[01:46] <rave_> its there mp3 players and mini disc players
[01:46] <raphink> ;)
[01:46] <rave_> they use sonic stage songs
[01:46] <raphink> yes xhaker wait I'm on the phone
[01:47] <rave_> wich ubuntu nor any other linux supports
[01:47] <rave_> if we do
[01:47] <rave_> we can change the display of even the sony walkmans
[01:47] <rave_> saying
[01:47] <rave_> playlist created on ubuntu !
[01:47] <rave_> :)
[01:48] <raphink> loool
[01:48] <rave_> i stated already
[01:48] <rave_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JohnnyMast/snwhd-1
[01:48] <rave_> just for a few lines
[01:49] <rave_> im thinking about foundng MOTUreverce
[01:49] <rave_> since so many protocols
[01:49] <raphink> reverse then
[01:49] <rave_> so many potential`s
[01:49] <rave_> yeah im working on it :)
[01:49] <rave_> but i still dont know
[01:49] <raphink> good
[01:50] <rave_> how to display a code box on the wiki
[01:50] <rave_> so my code paste seems messed up
[01:50] <rave_> go ppl ??
[01:50] <rave_> *so
[01:51] <raphink> xhaker: how do you expect your program to install in the system?
[01:52] <rave_> hmm
[01:52] <rave_> {{{
[01:52] <rave_> text
[01:52] <rave_> }}}
[01:52] <xhaker> you tried installing and want to know how to use it?
[01:52] <raphink> xhaker: not that's not what I mean
[01:53] <raphink> xhaker: your file contains no configure and Makefile
[01:53] <raphink> so obviously it's not gonna be compiled
[01:53] <raphink> and installed this way
[01:53] <raphink> so then
[01:53] <raphink> how do you expect your package to install?
[01:54] <raphink> xhaker: do you have some time right now?
[01:54] <xhaker> it just copies the files since the files needed are two python apps, some png's and a bonobo server file
[01:54] <xhaker> so
[01:54] <xhaker> two files go in /usr/bin
[01:54] <raphink> xhaker: do you have some time so we can have a private talk to review your package together?
[01:54] <xhaker> i do
[01:55] <xhaker> atleast i think i do :P
[01:55] <xhaker> pvt
[01:55] <raphink> sure
[02:00] <sistpoty> dholbach! libsexy? *g*
[02:06] <xhaker> sistpoty, i asked him to package it
[02:06] <sistpoty> hehe, I was just curious bout the name ;)
[02:06] <xhaker> provides some gtk controls :P
[02:07] <xhaker> ip entry, spellcheck editbox, blah blah :P
[02:23] <Nafallo> could we have tiber use UTC as it's timezone? :-)
[02:29] <Kyral> Why does making an ext3 fs on my 160 GB HD take 5 GB?
[02:29] <sistpoty> Nafallo: as long as I don't need to reconfigure tiber, I don't mind ;)
[02:30] <Nafallo> sistpoty: that's what I was talking about :-).
[02:30] <Nafallo> the machine uses some timezone in america atm :-P
[02:31] <sistpoty> Nafallo: afaik it's located there... but you could write a support request mail to admin@tiber... there are enough people with root rights who have more clue than me ;)
[02:32] <Nafallo> oki :-)
[02:32] <StevenK> tzconfig && date && hwclock -w && logout
[02:32] <StevenK> So there. :-)
[02:33] <Nafallo> send :-)
[02:33] <Nafallo> sent even
[02:35] <LaserJock> Kyral: you can adjust the amount of space take up when you create a partition in the installer
[02:35] <Kyral> I set it to full
[02:35] <Kyral> then I apply ext3 somehow I lose like 6 GB
[02:36] <LaserJock> Kyral: like how much is set aside for whatever it does (I can't remember). It is normally set at 5%. I set it to 1% but I don't know if that is right
[02:37] <Kyral> Thats more like it
[02:37] <Nafallo> the amount reserved for root
[02:37] <Kyral> only lose 2 GB
[02:37] <Nafallo> and then the journal takes a bit...
[02:37] <Kyral> Thing is...this is just a storage drive
[02:37] <LaserJock> Nafallo: right, I read somewhere that 5% is probably too much
[02:37] <Kyral> so do I really need that much reserved for root?
[02:38] <Nafallo> who knows :-)
[02:38] <LaserJock> I set it to 1% and I haven't had any negative effects, yet ;-)
[02:38] <Kyral> I wanna drop it to .5
[02:39] <LaserJock> hmm, I don't know if you can do that
[02:39] <StevenK> Kyral: tune2fs -m 1
[02:39] <LaserJock> it might just be integer values
[02:39] <Kyral> StevenK: I just made it that small :P
[02:39] <StevenK> You can try -m 0.5
[02:39] <Kyral> also tacked on -O sparse_super
[02:39] <Nafallo> StevenK: oh! I can actually use tune2fs for that? nice! :-)
[02:39] <Kyral> and -T largefile4
[02:40] <Kyral> but what is that space used for?
[02:40] <StevenK> Nafallo: tune2fs can do lots and lots of nice things.
[02:40] <Nafallo> Kyral: what is a largefile then? :-)
[02:40] <Nafallo> looks like it :-)
[02:40] <StevenK> Kyral: Nothing. Until the filesystem fills up according to users, and not for root, who can then clean it up.
[02:41] <Kyral> largefile4 ....
[02:41] <Kyral> whoops
[02:41] <Kyral> lol
[02:41] <Kyral> StevenK: so if I monitor the disk I shouldn't need much
[02:41] <StevenK> largefile4  one inode per 4 megabytes
[02:41] <Kyral> yah
[02:41] <Kyral> its storing anime episodes loil
[02:41] <Kyral> and those range in the 200 MB range
[02:42] <Kyral> So I should be fine with -m .5?
[02:42] <StevenK> Number of inodes is not an issue.
[02:42] <Kyral> Oh BTW
[02:42] <StevenK> I have a 430Gb media LVM, with 5 million inodes. It's only using 5000 of them.
[02:42] <Kyral> you can do -m .5 :P
[02:43] <LaserJock> cool
[02:43] <Kyral> if my calculations are right then I should have about 700 MB reserved for root
[02:43] <Kyral> which should be more than enough to get in there
[02:45] <Kyral> Now to transfer all the anime back...oy
[02:45] <Kyral> Wanna know something wierd?
[02:45] <Kyral> I had a ReiserFS on this thign at first
[02:45] <Kyral> well, first a FAT32
[02:45] <Kyral> then a Reiser
[02:45] <Kyral> then an ext3
[02:45] <Kyral> somehow it still had its Reiser Journal
[02:46] <Kyral> while it had an ext3 FS
[02:47] <Kyral> it was mounted as ext3, and the system didn't care that a Reiser journal also happened to be there
[03:22] <zakame> morning all :)
[03:22] <zakame> siretart: just read your inputs, many thanks, you're my hero :)
[03:23] <sistpoty> hi zakame
[03:23] <zakame> hello sistpoty :)
[03:23] <raphink> morning
[03:23] <raphink> I'm going to bed :)
[03:24] <sistpoty> gn8 raphink
[03:24] <raphink> sistpoty: there's the postinst/postrm issues to look at with xhaker ;)
[03:24] <zakame> gn8 rajasun
[03:24] <raphink> I didn't see that with him
[03:25] <zakame> er, raphink I mean ;)
[03:25] <raphink> thanks zakame & sistpoty
[03:25] <raphink> bubby
[03:25] <xhaker> so sistpoty
[03:25] <xhaker> unfortunately i need to mess with sudoers
[03:25] <xhaker> it usually works
[03:26] <xhaker> raphink is affraid i can pose a security threat
[03:26] <zakame> hm, when a lib undergoes c2a, should it do a Provides/Conflicts to the old libs, or just a Conflicts/Replaces?
[03:26] <sistpoty> zakame: conflicts/replaces to the old lib
[03:27] <sistpoty> xhaker: there are two probs with that:
[03:27] <sistpoty> xhaker: 1) you mess with a file not in your package
[03:27] <sistpoty> xhaker: 2) security problem, because merely be installing the package, you give a script root rights
[03:27] <zakame> sistpoty: ah, ok :) that's what siretart suggested as well :)  I was reading dancer's library guide, which suggested the former...
[03:28] <xhaker> sistpoty, the script is quite small and deals only with iwconfig and ifconfig..
[03:28] <sistpoty> zakame: doko explained it pretty good in his post (the link on the mrege list)
[03:28] <xhaker> there is no command "sudo add my script to the allowed list"
[03:28] <zakame> sistpoty: oh, I forgot, haven't saved that locally :(
[03:28] <sistpoty> xhaker: but the user won't even know that s.th. might pose a security risk
[03:29] <sistpoty> xhaker: if it needs root rights, you might try setting s-bit
[03:29] <sistpoty> xhaker: but if you do that, you should also inform the user about it...
[03:30] <xhaker> if i do that? adding to sudoers?
[03:30] <sistpoty> xhaker: usual way I've seen it, is that the package asks (via debconf) if the script is allowed to get s-bit set
[03:30] <xhaker> sistpoty, i don't know how to do that :(
[03:30] <sistpoty> xhaker: by s-bit you won't need to mess with sudoers any longer
[03:31] <xhaker> couldn't i just +s and done?
[03:31] <sistpoty> xhaker: I'm not 100% sure about that... you might want to ask pitty if that would be ok
[03:31] <xhaker> he seems offline
[03:32] <xhaker> well the package is now uploaded with raphink's help with cdbs
[03:32] <xhaker> and some other stuff taken care of
[03:33] <xhaker> sistpoty, where should a gnome applet binary go?
[03:33] <sistpoty> xhaker: sorry, no clue about gnome ;)
[03:33] <xhaker> oh
[03:33] <xhaker> no problem
[03:33] <sistpoty> <- kde
[03:33] <zakame> wb Nafallo :)
[03:33] <xhaker> i'm going to research it
[03:34] <sistpoty> xhaker: for debconf, iirc there are good examples in debconf-dec
[03:34] <sistpoty> debconf-doc even
[03:35] <sistpoty> and iirc old xcdroast used the s-bit + debconf approach, but I can't say if you'll need a package from debian/stable or even older
[03:35] <Nafallo> thanx. just a quick question though... was it ~/.fonts I would mkdir to place extra fonts in?
[03:35] <zakame> yup
[03:35] <zakame> then do a fc-cache -f
[03:37] <Nafallo> oki, thanx :-). and goodnight :-)
[03:37] <sistpoty> gn8 Nafallo
[03:37] <zakame> gn8 Nafallo
[03:40] <xhaker> gn8 everyone
[03:41] <sistpoty> gn8 xhaker
[03:54] <zakame> hmm, seems libmas0c2 doesn't need to be renamed to c2a after all
[03:54] <zakame> its not in doko's list
[03:57] <sistpoty> zakame: if it's not on the list, then it's not affected by the allocator change... but you might recheck with BTS, there is a bug for every affected package filed
[03:58] <zakame> sistpoty: which bts? malone or debian's?  I've checked both, none so far
[03:58] <sistpoty> zakame: debian's
[03:58] <sistpoty> zakame: well then it seems the merge list is correct for another package :)
[03:59] <zakame> sistpoty: yay, ok :)
[04:00] <sistpoty> (or missing bugs filed)
[04:01] <zakame> ooh, we better take care then ;)
[04:01] <sistpoty> yep ;)
[04:02] <zakame> ooh muttprint finally builds :)
[04:03] <sistpoty> grml... moosic isn't shown as "Done"
[04:04] <zakame> eh? I just closed it using lpbugs
[04:04] <sistpoty> yep... but the mail didn't hit my tiber account
[04:04] <sistpoty> seems like motu-mergers doesn't get forwarded to it
[04:04] <sistpoty> s/motu-mergers/motu-reviewers/
[04:07] <zakame> waah
[04:08] <sistpoty> zakame: could you please try to change the assignee to motu-mergers? let's see if this results in a mail which updates the list
[04:09] <zakame> sistpoty: ok, just done
[04:10] <sistpoty> ok, I hope that will do the trick... if not I'll update the list by hand ;)
[04:10] <StevenK> Can a MOTU re-request a sync of module-assistant? I have verified that it builds, installs and works on a dapper system.
[04:11] <zakame> StevenK: checking
[04:11] <sistpoty> StevenK: didn't ajmitch request a sync already?
[04:11] <StevenK> Yes, he did.
[04:11] <StevenK> But it hasn't happened yet.
[04:11] <sistpoty> when did he request it?
[04:12] <StevenK> Two days ago, I think.
[04:12] <LaserJock> StevenK: I saw it on dapper-changes I thought
[04:12] <StevenK> Ah, there it is.
[04:12] <StevenK> Okay, no need then. :-)
[04:12] <sistpoty> :)
[04:13] <StevenK> sistpoty: And, I'd like to thank you for your sponsorship and uploading
[04:13] <StevenK> my merges. :-)
[04:13] <sistpoty> he, thx to your good work StevenK ;)
[04:14] <zakame> StevenK: whoa
[04:14] <sistpoty> hf... I guess moin is by far not trivial
[04:19] <sklav> is there a how to on how to create deb's?
[04:20] <sklav> i want to assist in the universe maintenance
[04:20] <Amaranth> sklav: Google for "Debian New Maintainer's Guide"
[04:20] <sklav> ok Amaranth
[04:20] <LaserJock> or go to doc.ubuntu.com
[04:21] <zakame> sklav: there's the `maint-guide' package, in Universe iirc....
[04:22] <sklav> ok i have bookmarked the first to links will give them a read
[04:22] <sistpoty> zakame: argl... didn't work :(... fortunately I'm subscribed to motureviewers, so I can keep track
[04:24] <zakame> sistpoty: hm, something's wrogn...
[04:24] <zakame> sklav: you can also hang out at #ubuntu-motu-school :)
[04:25] <sklav> joining as we speak
[04:27] <sistpoty> zakame: on a 2nd thought, it cannot work... because the mail with "status => fixed" must be delivered to my tiber account, to make the package as fixed on the list
[04:28] <zakame> er :/
[04:28] <sistpoty> zakame: so an ugly hack would be to reassign, then reopen and reclose, but I guess it's easier if I just call update-merges.py ;)
[04:29] <zakame> sistpoty: yeah, we'd be doing too many malone accesses just to do those
[04:29] <sistpoty> hehe
[04:51] <LaserJock> can somebody take a quick peek at malone but # 727
[04:51] <LaserJock> s/but/bug/
[04:52] <Amaranth> malone bug 727
[04:52] <Ubugtu> Malone bug #727: Font problem with scilab In: scilab (Ubuntu), Severity: Normal, Assigned to: MOTU, Status: New https://launchpad.net/bugs/727
[04:54] <LaserJock> I'm not sure what to do with it. I mean, the reporter is talking about Hoary.
[04:54] <LaserJock> If I don't see it in Breezy can it be closed?
[04:54] <Amaranth> if you don't see it in dapper mark it fixed
[04:55] <sistpoty> marking it as rejected would be more appropriate
[04:57] <LaserJock> sistpoty: makes sense
[05:04] <LaserJock> well, I don't see that bug but malone bug 3496 is certainly there
[05:04] <Ubugtu> Malone bug #3496: scilab installer bad path and fonts In: scilab (Ubuntu), Severity: Normal, Assigned to: MOTU, Status: New https://launchpad.net/bugs/3496
[05:05] <LaserJock> actually I can't really tell because of the font is some kind of eastern font and I can't tell what the spacing should be
[05:08] <LaserJock> but then debian bug #302741 is the opposite. I think this is just too hard for my brain right now
[05:08] <Ubugtu> Error: Error getting Malone bug #302741: Bug does not exist
[05:13] <Amaranth> gnome bug 100000
[05:13] <Ubugtu> Gnome Bugzilla bug #100000: Gnome is full of bugs ! (100000 currently) Product: general, Component: general, Severity: trivial, Assigned to: unknown@gnome.bugs, Status: RESOLVED, Resolution: NOTABUG http://bugs.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=100000
[05:14] <LaserJock> lol
[05:14] <Amaranth> oh, so it just doesn't handle debian?
[05:14] <sistpoty> BTS #302741
[05:14] <sistpoty> debian #302741
[05:15] <sistpoty> ;)
[05:15] <Amaranth> kde bug 100000
[05:15] <Ubugtu> Error: Error getting Malone bug #100000: Bug does not exist
[05:15] <Amaranth> grr
[05:15] <Amaranth> i guess it can't do _everything_
[05:15] <Amaranth> although debian and kde are probably pretty important upstreams
[05:15] <LaserJock> Amaranth: kde doesn't have bugs apparently ;-)
[05:16] <Kyral> I love that UT2004 is native Linux install
[05:16] <LaserJock> Kyral: ohhh yeah
[05:16] <Amaranth> winelib or actaully native?
[05:16] <LaserJock> native
[05:16] <Kyral> Actually native
[05:16] <LaserJock> America's Army also
[05:17] <Kyral> I hull my rig into a LAN Party
[05:17] <Kyral> mention it runs Linux
[05:17] <Amaranth> i wish freelancer wouldn't have been such a bomb, i want a freelancer 2
[05:17] <Kyral> they laugh at me
[05:17] <Kyral> until I kick their ass
[05:17] <LaserJock> In my lab we had 5 guys playing UT2004 over our chemistry department network
[05:18] <Kyral> Freelancer rocked WTF are you on?!
[05:18] <Amaranth> "Unfortunately I have to announce that Digital Anvil Studios has been shut down completely." :'(
[05:18] <Kyral> Yah unfortunately
[05:18] <Amaranth> Kyral: I know, but it didn't sell.
[05:18] <Amaranth> I love it.
[05:18] <Kyral> Its awesome that George Takai was one of the VAs
[05:18] <Kyral> How well does it run on Cedega?
[05:18] <Amaranth> digital anvil just shut down so there is no chance for a sequel
[05:19] <Amaranth> i dunno
[05:19] <Amaranth> dual boot :)
[05:19] <Kyral> "So now you know everything, how does it feel, Freelancer?"
[05:19] <Kyral> I loved that line
[05:20] <Amaranth> too bad it was such a short game
[05:21] <Amaranth> i mean, i'm still finding new things exploring but i beat the missions in 3 days
[05:21] <Amaranth> and the mods that are supposed to add new stories don't seem to actually work
[05:21] <Kyral> Lancer's Reactor
[05:22] <Amaranth> yeah
[05:22] <Amaranth> i'm there now
[05:22] <Amaranth> it looks like all the mods focus on multiplayer
[05:23] <Kyral> I jumped into one of the Outcast systems once
[05:23] <Kyral> while being on the Outcast's hitlist :D
[05:23] <Amaranth> it was fun frying rogues in liberty with my anubis after i first beat it
[05:23] <Amaranth> free money, basically
[05:23] <Kyral> The Anubis sucks
[05:24] <Amaranth> no way
[05:24] <Kyral> Sabre :D
[05:24] <Amaranth> well sure, if you want firepower over control
[05:24] <Amaranth> i'd rather use my death's hands and do circles around people
[05:24] <Kyral> Good point
[05:24] <Kyral> I used a Light Fighter for most of the game
[05:25] <Kyral> The Kusari LF is nice
[05:25] <LaserJock> ok, I gotta get to bed so I will leave you guys to your games ;-)
[05:25] <Amaranth> heh, i got the britonia heavy fighter and used it until i got to the osiris
[05:25] <Amaranth> night LaserJock
[05:25] <Kyral> That ugly POS?
[05:25] <Kyral> Jeez...
[05:25] <LaserJock> Kyral: you want some help tomorrow at some time?
[05:25] <Amaranth> yeah, looked like a fish
[05:26] <Kyral> yah
[05:27] <LaserJock> Kyral: was that a yes to me or the fish like weapon?
[05:27] <Kyral> both :P
[05:28] <LaserJock> Kyral: will you be on irc most of the day?
[05:28] <Kyral> prolly
[05:28] <LaserJock> k, I'm not sure when I will be exactly. but I got to get in the lab and fire up the lasers tomorrow so that will be a good time
[07:12] <\sh> moins
[07:53] <zakame> hi! :)
[07:58] <minghua> hello zakame
[08:04] <zakame> hey minghua :)
[10:00] <pef> someone from MOTUGames here ?
[11:27] <Burgundavia> slomo_, ping
[11:45] <siretart> morning
[11:45] <siretart> pef: well, I think you mean me :)
[11:45] <pef> siretart: morning
[11:46] <siretart> pef: you want to join MOTUGames? ;)
[11:46] <pef> siretart: I think you should add boson (opengl wargame) to your list (http://boson.eu.org) current packaged version is uninstallable, but I'm packaging new upstream release
[11:46] <pef> current packaged version is 2 years old :/
[11:46] <siretart> pef: I rather think we should drop the list completely
[11:46] <siretart> pef: I remember boson.
[11:47] <siretart> pef: the current package is really broken. but the DD seems uninterested in it :(
[11:47] <siretart> pef: if you have time to update to new upstream and maintain it, that would be great!
[11:48] <pef> siretart: I saw that :/ and  I'm packaging new upstream (I correct gcc4 issues right now)
[11:48] <siretart> pef: perhaps we should ask Mickael Marchand, if he is still interested in that package
[11:49] <pef> so he can ophan it ?
[11:49] <pef> orphan
[11:49] <siretart> he should
[11:49] <siretart> if he doesnt have interest anymore
[11:50] <siretart> it is his only package: http://qa.debian.org/developer.php?login=marchand@kde.org
[12:11] <Gloubiboulga> hello
[12:14] <siretart> hi Gloubiboulga
[12:15] <siretart> pef: I'd say if you have a newer boson package, which builds in dapper, just upload it, I'll take a look at it then.
[12:15] <siretart> pef: everything is better than the current boson package :/
[12:16] <pef> it's a bit long to build ;)
[12:16] <siretart> I know
[12:16] <siretart> that reminds me
[12:16] <siretart> setting up pbuilder with ccache
[12:23] <pef> siretart: I can now upload to archive ;)
[12:23] <siretart> cool! :)
[12:23] <siretart> boson could be a bit painful to upload, because of its size
[12:24] <pef> siretart: should I notify to someone working on upload.ubuntu.com my big upload to prevents errors with disk space ?
[12:25] <pef> siretart: I'm lucky, I have a big upload bw :)
[12:25] <siretart> ah. lucky you
[12:25] <siretart> no, I don't think you need to bug elmo about this
[12:27] <pef> siretart: I wonder why they use mp3 for sound files :/
[12:41] <azeem> ah, xdrawchem_1.9.8-2_20051203-0914-i386-successful.gz
[12:55] <pef> siretart: do you think I should switch to cdbs for the new package ?
[12:57] <StevenK> And it's winning. :-/
[12:57] <azeem> pef: do you repackage it from scratch, or just upgrading to a new upstream?
[12:58] <pef> azeem: upgrade, but debian layout is a bit messy
[12:59] <azeem> pef: my personal opinion is that MOTU should proceed like Debian NMUs (non-maintainer uploads), i.e. as uninvasive as possible
[12:59] <azeem> but I do not know what the general party line is in here
[01:00] <StevenK> azeem: Very sensible. Makes work for the next MOTU to merge/sync the packages job a little easier.
[01:00] <azeem> pef: keep in mind that many Debian and Ubuntu developers conside CDBS an ugly and obstructing hack
[01:00] <StevenK> CDBS *sucks*.
[01:00] <pef> wow
[01:00] <azeem> well, I personally like it
[01:00] <pef> a few months ago, it was "cdbs rocks"
[01:01] <azeem> pef: opinions are split
[01:01] <StevenK> Not from me, it wasn't. :-)
[01:01] <StevenK> I find it just gets in your way...
[01:07] <slomo_> i like cdbs too... it's perfect for "normal" packages which use autotools and are not too complex
[01:08] <azeem> yeah
[01:09] <azeem> but it is pretty rude to change a package's build system without consent of the other maintainers.  Dunno if that holds for MOTU work as well, though
[01:09] <azeem> e.g., I kept xdrawchem at debmake (!!) for years now, even though I am a co-maintainer and the real maintainer is MIA and has only uploaded it twice in the last five years
[01:10] <slomo_> well, if he likes to take care of the package until he drops all his changes again or gets them into debian he can do it... but i would prefer to keep the delta as small as possible ;)
[01:14] <siretart> pef: cdbs.. hm. I think it depends on the package, and how complex the package is. OTOH, debhelper isn't that hard..
[01:15] <pef> siretart: I will keep debhelper, packaging is now ok, but I have problems running the game (somes data files failed to "load")
[01:17] <siretart> :(
[01:28] <herve> hello
[01:32] <Gloubiboulga> hi herve
[01:42] <magnon> \sh_away: good luck
[01:47] <pef> siretart: 3ds loader segfaults :/
[01:48] <siretart> :(
[02:11] <StevenK> Teehee.
[02:13] <StevenK> I just put my puppy to bed, and he looked up at me as if to say, "I'm going to get up and follow ... Ah, screw it. I'm going to sleep."
[02:27] <Gloubiboulga> I think amule needs a rebuild
[02:27] <Gloubiboulga> there is a strange dependency trouble
[02:29] <siretart> looks like
[02:31] <Gloubiboulga> siretart, do you want me to report a bug ?
[02:33] <siretart> Gloubiboulga: I'm currently looking at it
[02:33] <Gloubiboulga> ok
[02:47] <zakame> evening all :D
[02:54] <Gloubiboulga> hi zakame
[02:55] <zakame> hi Gloubiboulga :)
[03:17] <Gloubiboulga> siretart, I've rebuilt amule (for my personnal use), the package works fine
[03:20] <siretart> Gloubiboulga: I just uploaded it
[03:21] <zakame> siretart: hm, I think mas can live to be c2, I've checked the debian BTS and it's not in doko's list too :)
[03:23] <siretart> zakame: great
[03:24] <zakame> siretart: though I'm unsure about the missing gccmakedep... is it right to just use `gcc -M`? or should I file a bug on xutils about it?
[03:25] <siretart> zakame: I'm unsure too. please ask daniels about this
[03:25] <zakame> is he around?
[03:25] <siretart> appearently not :(
[03:25] <zakame> waah
[03:25] <siretart> so perhaps a bugzilla bug is a good idea
[03:26] <zakame> ok, thanks :)
[03:45] <siretart> does anyone know how to edit the gnome mime registry?
[03:48] <Nafallo> zakame: re: eris, why have a versioned dep with ubuntuX in it? and why have a diffrent version for the binary dep for that lib? :-)
[03:49] <zakame> Nafallo: because eris won't build on dapper with the given debian versions for those packages... but I think I could re-adjust these so they won't call for ubuntuX versions
[03:51] <Nafallo> I just built it with 0.5.97-1 as versioned dep...
[03:52] <Nafallo> the version required for the binary dep that is...
[03:53] <zakame> it worked? hmm, I was following the original debian version
[03:53] <Nafallo> it worked :-)
[03:53] <slomo_> siretart: <seb128> ProN00b: edit /etc/gnome/defaults.list and s/totem/<your_player>/ to change for the box
[03:54] <zakame> anyhow vorlon bumped these versions, it was an RC bugfix
[03:56] <Nafallo> hm, oki. so could you drop ubuntuX and fix the deps for the binary -dev to match those? :-)
[03:57] <zakame> am looking at it now :-)
[03:57] <Nafallo> good, I'll be back after watching Doom and look at it then :-)
[03:58] <slomo_> Nafallo: hf :)
[03:58] <Nafallo> thanx slomo :-)
[03:58] <zakame> ooh, Doom!
[03:59] <Gloubiboulga> bye
[03:59] <zakame> what's "hf"? :)
[03:59] <slomo_> have fun
[04:00] <slomo_> oh, wtf doesn't know it
[04:00] <zakame> ah :) thanks
[04:01] <zakame> haha
[04:36] <Kyral> Morning
[04:36] <zakame> hi Kyral :)
[04:37] <Kyral> sup
[04:41] <thierry_> bounties start to be interesting... https://launchpad.net/bounties/vtiger-universe (100$)
[05:03] <zakame> Nafallo_away: re: eris, updated the debdiff :-)
[05:07] <zakame> bye all, and good night!
[05:46] <LaserJock> hi Kyral
[05:46] <Kyral> hey
[05:48] <Kyral> Yzak seems more upset over the fact that the Archangel didn't call him to help more rather than the fact that the Archangel is attacking his side lol
[05:51] <Kyral> gah stupid Undernet
[05:54] <Kyral> brb
[06:04] <sistpoty> hi folks
[06:04] <siretart> huhu sistpoty
[06:04] <sistpoty> hi siretart
[06:17] <LaserJock> bmonty: hi! how's it going for you?
[06:18] <bmonty> LaserJock: hey...things are good here, you?
[06:19] <LaserJock> bmonty: oh, pretty good. I am in the mist of a licensing debate over the packaging guide that I was working on but other than that fine.
[06:20] <bmonty> heh....I just updated my laptop to dapper and X stopped working
[06:20] <LaserJock> bmonty: what kernel?
[06:20] <sistpoty> siretart: what do I actually get from stage1? a rebuilt .changes file which represents a package with orig?
[06:21] <bmonty> LaserJock: 2.6.12-10
[06:21] <siretart> sistpoty: exactly
[06:21] <sistpoty> siretart: ah, ok
[06:21] <siretart> sistpoty: you get a list of files representing the source package
[06:21] <LaserJock> bmonty: right now 2.6.15 is a lot better for me. You got a nvidia or ATI ?
[06:22] <bmonty> LaserJock: ATI
[06:22] <siretart> sistpoty: and containing the possibly regenerated .changesfile
[06:22] <LaserJock> bmonty: that sucks ;-)
[06:23] <sistpoty> siretart: ok... can we eventually change this a little bit? I'd like to pack this into a class, which contains some syntactic sugar
[06:23] <LaserJock> bmonty: my nvidia works fine in 2.6.15 but it is broken in 2.6.12
[06:23] <siretart> sistpoty: sure. what do you prefer? just the changes file?
[06:24] <bmonty> LaserJock: the video isn't bad..the only thing that sucks is if I use the 3D accelerated driver suspend stops working
[06:24] <bmonty> but I don't use much 3D so it isn't an issue
[06:24] <sistpoty> siretart: I'm not quite sure yet... actually I'm just writing a class that knows a bout a sourcepackage. either put that in there or make an extra class for the changes file
[06:24] <LaserJock> bmonty: yeah, but anyway the 2.6.15 was a lot better for me. once the udev stuff settled down
[06:25] <bmonty> LaserJock: I'm installing 2.6.15 now :)
[06:26] <bmonty> siretart: I have a question for you on the filelight merge you emailed me on?
[06:29] <siretart> bmonty: sure. what was the bugnr?
[06:30] <bmonty> siretart: malone #4606
[06:30] <Ubugtu> Malone bug #4606: filelight: merge new debian version In: filelight (Ubuntu), Severity: Normal, Assigned to: Benjamin Montgomery, Status: Accepted https://launchpad.net/bugs/4606
[06:30] <siretart> bmonty: ah, now I remember. what's up?
[06:30] <bmonty> you asked to drop the .po files...aren't those additional translations for the strings in the program and wouldn't we want those?
[06:31] <siretart> bmonty: arn't these added automatically by rosetta?
[06:32] <bmonty> I'll check in to it
[06:32] <siretart> bmonty: when looking at the debdiff, I really dont think it was added by a motu
[06:32] <siretart> bmonty: this would be mentioned in the changelog
[06:33] <sivang> hi guys, how many mergers have we left for dapper?
[06:34] <bmonty> grr...I wish debdiff would ignore autoconf files
[06:35] <siretart> bmonty: use filterdiff!
[06:35] <siretart> bmonty: and lsdiff
[07:04] <sistpoty> is s.o. with bashu@surgut.ru currently here?
[07:05] <sivang> siretart: those ignore autoconf files?
[07:05] <sistpoty> sivang: do you mean filterdiff?
[07:06] <sivang> sistpoty: siretart siad rither filterdiff or lsdiff
[07:06] <siretart> sivang: yes
[07:06] <sivang> sistpoty: so I have no idea :)
[07:06] <sistpoty> sivang: you can filter diffs with them, so yes ;)
[07:06] <siretart> sivang: filterdiff is a tool to include oder exclude specific files in patches
[07:07] <sivang> yes, I've just manned it
[07:07] <sistpoty> hehe
[07:07] <sivang> but thanks guys :)
[07:07] <sivang> I used to manually exclude those on patches I did
[07:08] <sivang> bmonty: however, if you have changes to the autconf.in files, you do need to diff against the orig ones as well, IIRC
[07:08] <sivang> sistpoty: am I right? ^^
[07:08] <sistpoty> sivang: right
[07:09] <siretart> if you patch configure.in and/or Makefile.am, you need to rerun autoconf/automake.
[07:09] <sistpoty> sivang: you can only drop generated files
[07:09] <sivang> so , excluding the autofoo*s, is only in case you are most certainly sure you haven't done needed changed to them
[07:09] <sivang> sistpoty: sure, I knew that as well. thanks for reassuring.
[07:11] <sivang> sistpoty: this is where the remaning mergers list is? http://revu.tauware.de/~sistpoty/MoM/index.py?state=new
[07:11] <sistpoty> sivang: yep
[07:12] <sivang> sistpoty: ok, thanks. I think LaserJock is going to walk me through one merge as an example =) (ho ho)
[07:12] <sistpoty> hehe
[07:12] <LaserJock> well, at least try. I'm no expert
[07:13] <sivang> as I see there are only like a hundered or less of them, I should probably hurry
[07:13] <sistpoty> however I've got some bad news: there are a few more merges outstanding (some lists from keybuk, that are not yet on the merge-list)... however I need to do write some smart import for these first
[07:14] <siretart> since merges for main have already been stopped, I think we should also have a deadline for merges
[07:14] <siretart> preferably this year
[07:14] <sivang> siretart: what do you mean stopped?
[07:14] <siretart> sivang: well, they stopped merging, AFAIU
[07:15] <LaserJock> I thought merges stopped at UVF? Or maybe the automatic merges are before
[07:15] <Nafallo> isn't it just that MOM is stopped so they can catch up before turning it on again?
[07:15] <LaserJock> Nafallo: yeah, that's what I thought
[07:16] <sivang> sistpoty: so that mean not much more merge work to do / or more merge work to do in less time :-)
[07:16] <sivang> sistpoty: ?
[07:17] <sistpoty> sivang: basically I guess not many packages need to be merged again... but I haven't looked at keybuks lists yet
[07:17] <sivang> sistpoty: in any event, his lists are for main no?
[07:17] <sistpoty> sivang: yes
[07:18] <sivang> sistpoty: hmm, bad. Can we work on main merges as motus?
[07:18] <sistpoty> sivang: we can... but would need a sponsor... and I guess some coordination to prevent duplicate work
[07:19] <sivang> ok, checking the RS:
[07:19] <sistpoty> sivang: afaik main merges are assigned to persons, so would be best to ask the one in response for a merge first
[07:19] <siretart> Nafallo: oh, you may be right
[07:19] <sivang> feb 2nd - Remaining upstream merges completed
[07:20] <siretart> sivang: in theory, everyone can work on main. you need some core devloper to upload your stuff, though.
[07:20] <siretart> sivang: so it is basically the same situation with universe and motu hopefuls
[07:20] <sivang> Nafallo: and then it would spit out a load of more packages to merge?
[07:20] <sivang> siretart: and working on main mergers would count instead of the same amount of motu pkgs I would have done, had I done it eariler?
[07:21] <sivang> (count for approval for universe/main that is)
[07:21] <siretart> sivang: sure, but they are more difficult to get approved
[07:22] <sistpoty> btw siretart: I wrote a small python script to basically do pdebuild -> lintian -> piuparts. Do you want to include it in motu-tools?
[07:22] <sivang> siretart: well, then they may count even better then.
[07:22] <Nafallo> sivang: yes
[07:23] <siretart> sivang: sure, just tell me where to merge from
[07:23] <sistpoty> siretart: whereas the only really cool thing bout it is that it logs pbuilder to a file and does a tail -f to this at the same time (I really like having a log and watching the output)
[07:23] <siretart> sistpoty: sure, just tell me where to merge from
[07:23] <siretart> :)
[07:23] <sistpoty> siretart: haven't adopted it to bzr yet, and I guess my motu-tools is a little bit outdated... I'll put it on tiber
[07:24] <sistpoty> siretart: it's called ralf.py (in my home)
[07:24] <sistpoty> I just thought for some emancipation we could use male scripts as well ;)
[07:26] <siretart> subprocess looks like a nice module
[07:26] <sistpoty> subprocess rocks really hard
[07:27] <sistpoty> there are some bugs still, like not chown'ing all files back from root-ownership, but apart from that it works quite good
[07:30] <siretart> sistpoty: just added your script
[07:30] <sistpoty> cool, thx
[07:31] <siretart> sistpoty: try "bzr branch ~siretart/public_html/motu-tools" on tiber
[07:31] <siretart> sistpoty: then use "bzr add foo" and "bzr commit" to do stuff.
[07:33] <sistpoty> cya siretart
[07:36] <dylan> good evening
[07:45] <jgw> hiya
[07:51] <LaserJock> jgw: hi
[07:52] <sistpoty> cya folks
[07:59] <siretart> muhaha
[08:00] <herve> bye
[08:00] <dylan> ajmitch are you here ?
[08:24] <ajmitch> rave_: just got in, why?
[08:25] <siretart> hey ajmitch!
[08:29] <ajmitch> hi siretart
[08:32] <bmonty> hey ajmitch
[08:33] <ajmitch> hello
[08:34] <rave_> hey
[08:34] <rave_> did you had a look @ the pure-ftpd patch ?
[08:37] <ajmitch> only a brief look
[08:37] <ajmitch> not sure if it's a good idea to depend on inetd
[08:37] <ajmitch> since most people would want to run xinetd, I suspect
[08:38] <ajmitch> pitti would probably hate you for depending just on inetd :)
[08:39] <rave_> yes bt
[08:39] <rave_> *but
[08:39] <rave_> i didnt see xinetd.conf files in the pure-ftpd package
[08:39] <rave_> so i must have overlooked
[08:40] <rave_> checking ...
[08:40] <ajmitch> you shouldn't need to
[08:40] <ajmitch> take a look at other packages that use inetd
[08:40] <rave_> ajmitch
[08:40] <rave_> its a hardcoded fix the pure-ftpd did
[08:40] <rave_> the only aim @ inetd
[08:40] <rave_> its in the changelog
[08:41] <ajmitch> and xinetd can use inetd config
[08:41] <rave_> * ensure that we default to inetd mode in init script
[08:41] <rave_> from 1.0.13a-3
[08:41] <rave_> so your saying i should add xinetd files to the deb
[08:42] <rave_> so it would automaticly see if we have inetd or xinetd
[08:42] <rave_> that would open the bug i fixed
[08:42] <rave_> because now i intalls inetd
[08:43] <rave_> if i remove it from deps and no inetd and xinetd is install we have the same bug on our hands
[08:43] <ajmitch> you would add something to check for xinetd
[08:43] <ajmitch> look at other packages for examples
[08:43] <rave_> ile work on it
[08:43] <rave_> ok and other patches ?
[08:44] <rave_> makeztxt ?
[08:44] <ajmitch> haven't looked at them
[08:44] <rave_> Timidity ?
[08:44] <rave_> ow ok
[08:44] <rave_> well ile asign pure ftpd back to me then
[08:45] <rave_> no but i talked to you before
[08:45] <rave_> so asking doesnt hurt :)
[08:47] <rave_> ajmitch xinetd over inetd ?
[08:47] <rave_> while installing
[08:47] <rave_> i think thats the bet
[10:29] <jgw> laser: hiya sorry :) i went off and did a bit of trail running in the first snow of the year
[10:54] <Kyral> Yanno you can kill the guy who has your nick
[11:24] <JohnnyMast> to every one here
[11:24] <JohnnyMast> no longer i use rave_ as nickname but its JohnnyMast from now
[11:25] <JohnnyMast> thats easyer because i use it on the Wiki`s as well
[11:31] <Treenaks> JohnnyMast: you actually do stuff then?
[11:31] <JohnnyMast> yes
[11:32] <JohnnyMast> i actualy do stuff
[11:33] <JohnnyMast> i suggest you cjheck my wiiki
[11:33] <Treenaks> _your_ wiki?
[11:33] <JohnnyMast> *wiki
[11:34] <JohnnyMast> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JohnnyMast
[11:36] <Seveas> not too much
[11:36] <Seveas> motu log isn't too bad
[11:36] <Seveas> definitely needs work though
[11:42] <crimsun> JohnnyMast: please adjust debian/control:Depends to "netkit-inetd | inetd"
[11:42] <JohnnyMast> crimsun im redoing that patch as we speak
[11:42] <JohnnyMast> to also check for xinetd
[11:43] <JohnnyMast> so its no biggy you can remove that diff
[11:43] <JohnnyMast> it was sugested my ajmitch
[11:44] <tseng> whiprush: http://www.flickr.com/photos/whiprush/67013965/in/photostream/ < oh man you look like a mini-emo kid
[11:44] <crimsun> actually you should probably use "inetutils-inetd | inetd"
[11:45] <JohnnyMast> i now had inetd | xinetd
[11:45] <JohnnyMast> should be
[11:45] <whiprush> tseng: heh.
[11:45] <crimsun> inetd is a virtual package
[11:45] <JohnnyMast> inetutils-inetd | xinetd
[11:45] <tseng> track jackets are elite
[11:45] <JohnnyMast> or is xinetd virtual 2
[11:45] <crimsun> if you prefer xinetd, use "xinetd | inetd"
[11:46] <JohnnyMast> thats for the tip
[11:46] <crimsun> np
[11:47] <JohnnyMast> xinetd it self is not virtaul (shows apt-cache showpkg xinetd
[11:47] <JohnnyMast> ) but ur right inetd is
[11:47] <JohnnyMast> okey now there is one thing i need help with
[11:48] <JohnnyMast> i added pure-ftpd-common.xinetd to the package but the packager doesnt add it
[11:48] <JohnnyMast> how can i make it include this new file ?
[11:48] <crimsun> where did you include it?
[11:48] <JohnnyMast> in debian/
[11:49] <crimsun> are you using {p}debuild or dpkg-buildpackage directly?
[11:49] <JohnnyMast> and its copyed via pure-ftpd-common.preinst
[11:49] <JohnnyMast> dpkg-buildpackage
[11:50] <hub> my laptop is dead for good
[11:50] <hub> now I have to buy tools to even have a remote chance to salvage it
[11:50] <crimsun> JohnnyMast: I'm unclear what you're trying to do; it would help to pastebin your rules and preinst
[11:50] <JohnnyMast> sorry dpkg-buildpackage
[11:51] <JohnnyMast> sure
[11:51] <JohnnyMast> hold on
[11:51] <crimsun> hub: ouch, sorry to read
[11:51] <hub> crimsun: it is 5yr old
[11:52] <crimsun> hub: still, broken equipment is no fun
[11:52] <hub> it is not
[11:52] <hub> because I can't even afford to replace it ATM
[11:52] <JohnnyMast> crimsun http://pastebin.com/447711
[11:54] <crimsun> JohnnyMast: please don't invoke /etc/init.d/foo directly; use invoke-rc.d instead
[11:54] <JohnnyMast> i dont
[11:54] <JohnnyMast> thats not what i made
[11:54] <JohnnyMast> read the xinetd
[11:55] <JohnnyMast> thats what i added
[11:56] <JohnnyMast> and i should better use install then cp
[11:56] <JohnnyMast> but its just a setup
[11:56] <JohnnyMast> but dpkg claims that pure-ftpd-common.xinetd is not found in the package
[11:57] <tseng> did you use $(CURDIR)/debian/foo ?
[11:57] <crimsun> right
[11:58] <crimsun> remember all scripts use the root of your untarred source as the origin
[11:59] <JohnnyMast> i did build the package as following
[11:59] <JohnnyMast> dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot
[11:59] <JohnnyMast> thats all
[11:59] <JohnnyMast> now what to i do to include the file ?
[12:00] <crimsun> change ''cp pure-ftpd-common.xinetd /etc/xinetd.d/pure-ftpd''
[12:00] <crimsun> the path to pure-ftpd-common.xinetd is incorrect, as tseng mentioned
[12:01] <JohnnyMast> chould i change the path on the src side ? of the cp ?
[12:01] <crimsun> yes
[12:01] <JohnnyMast> so
[12:01] <JohnnyMast> cp $(CURDIR)/debian/pure-ftpd-common.xinetd /etc/xinetd.d/pure-ftpd
[12:02] <JohnnyMast> testing ..
[12:02] <crimsun> ($CURDIR needs to be valid in that case)
[12:02] <JohnnyMast> ok
[12:02] <JohnnyMast> im testing so we will see