[12:05] <gand_> I've installed mysql but it don't start
[12:05] <gand_> I get this error: Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2)'
[12:06] <mhz_cleanin> gand_: hi there
[12:07] <gand_> I wish to install phpbb
[12:08] <gand_> otherwhise I can use edubuntu reinstlled postgre but I don't know haw to set postgre root password
[12:08] <gand_> reinstlled - preinstalled
[12:40] <mhz> gand_: have you tried #ubuntu ?
[12:40] <mhz> IMHO, I guess those guys are very general linux related experts
[12:41] <mhz> remeber that Edubuntu is nothing but Ubuntu + LTSP (edubuntu one) + educational apps.
[12:43] <gand_> I'm tryng #mysql, #ubuntu is very crowded :)
[01:03] <ratpH1nk> quick question about the distro
[01:03] <ratpH1nk> any PPC branch? (for all of those old macs?)
[01:05] <ajmitch_> aftrenoon
[01:05] <ajmitch_> ogra_: you're famous - edubuntu on slashdot :)
[01:06] <ratpH1nk> that is what caught my attn :)
[01:11] <dfused> so, since I've never used ubuntu linux, and didn't find anything yet on the page....... will this OS run win apps?
[01:12] <Lord_Athur> hi everyone
[01:13] <dfused> hi
[01:13] <Lord_Athur> :)
[01:13] <Lord_Athur> mhz, I found a program (GAMBAS) and it is really similar to VB
[01:13] <Lord_Athur> and I used VB in windows
[01:14] <Lord_Athur> this allows me to program in Linux
[01:18] <Lord_Athur> what do you think  mhz ?
[01:19] <spacey> dfused, same win apps as any other distro
[01:19] <spacey> ..
[01:24] <ratpH1nk> heh
[01:31] <crimsun> just as a heads-up, there's an article on /. that's about to go live on edubuntu
[01:38] <ajmitch_> about to?
[01:38] <ajmitch_> it's been live here for quite awhile
[02:07] <Domingus> Is the edubuntu cd available as alivecd? or just as a pure instal to hd?
[02:08] <crimsun> Domingus: both
[02:08] <crimsun> ajmitch_: hmm, maybe a cache issue on my end? *shrug*
[02:09] <Domingus> Great, then ill hava go at it....
[02:09] <Domingus> Thanks by the way... :)
[02:11] <crimsun> Domingus: err, I'm thinking Dapper. If you want Breezy, there are install ones only.
[02:11] <crimsun> Domingus: Sorry about the mix-up
[02:13] <Domingus> Ok. I was thinking of the Breezy. Ill just have to wait a bit then :8
[02:13] <Domingus> But thanks anyway..
[02:13] <crimsun> you could always try edubuntu in a vmware session, for instance :)
[02:28] <gand_> mhz,   mysql problem solved: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=542031
[02:33] <mhz> gand_: heeeeee!
[02:43] <gand_> thanks bye
[03:29] <Steve_Dondley> hi, cool distro
[03:29] <Steve_Dondley> what kind of hardware is needed to run this?
[03:31] <Steve_Dondley> hello?
[03:52] <crimsun> Steve_Dondley: i386, amd64 for the Breezy install CDs
[03:52] <Steve_Dondley> processor speed?  ram?
[03:52] <Steve_Dondley> thanks
[03:53] <Steve_Dondley> I've got an old dell machine.  wondering if it will work
[03:53] <crimsun> the Ubuntu requirements are a good guideline
[03:54] <Steve_Dondley> ok, i'll have a look.
[03:54] <crimsun> I'd say 300 MHz with 128 MB will be fairly sluggish
[03:54] <Steve_Dondley> hmmm, not sure if it has that
[03:54] <Steve_Dondley> amout of ram
[03:55] <crimsun> then you'll need to make fairly drastic modifications to make it run more smoothly
[03:56] <crimsun> though since it uses LTSP, the client requirements are much lower
[03:56] <Steve_Dondley> LTSP?
[03:56] <Steve_Dondley> I don't use any desktop manager myself so it's almost all greek
[03:56] <crimsun> http://www.ltsp.org/
[03:57] <Steve_Dondley> huh, that's interesting.
[03:58] <Steve_Dondley> you are saying ebuntu has ltsp built into it.  That's cool.
[03:59] <Steve_Dondley> my nephew, whose family is rather poor, were looking to have me build a machine for them.  This is perfect, though he just turned 3.
[03:59] <Steve_Dondley> Do you know if there are games available for 3 year olds.  /. says it's geared for kids 5 to 12.
[04:03] <crimsun> I don't know of any specifically for 3 year-olds
[04:03] <crimsun> I don't see the harm in trying it out
[04:03] <Steve_Dondley> no big deal.  There's lots of flash games on the net he could use.
[04:04] <Steve_Dondley> yeah, I'll definitely give it a shot.  I'll probably set one up for my kid.
[04:05] <crimsun> nice :)
[04:05] <Steve_Dondley> Yeah, he loves his old beat up laptop with several keys missing.  Sesamestreet.com is his current favorite!
[04:06] <Steve_Dondley> thanks for the help.
[04:06] <Steve_Dondley> I'm interested to check out the installation for ubuntu myself.  I hear it's quite remarkable.
[04:08] <crimsun> it's pretty straightforward, hopefully
[04:08] <crimsun> all hardware have their quirks
[09:04] <juliux> ogra_, ping
[11:44] <juliux> ogra_, ping!
[12:12] <euthydemus> does anybody know if problems are holding up a PPC rollout?
[12:25] <RichiH> hi
[12:25] <RichiH> is there a live cd?
[12:25] <euthydemus> I only see install cds
[12:32] <RichiH> which sucks as my sister will not install anything until her thesis is finished
[12:32] <RichiH> nad i want to let her daughter use linux :)
[12:33] <bill> Good morning (in Scotland anyway). Sorry to interrupt. I'm trying to install Edubuntu 5.10 on AMD 64 and it is failing during the base install task. It tells me to look at /target/var/log/bootstrap.log but that directory is empty. The last message I can read before it gets overwritten with the message is something about not being able to download package zlib1g.
[12:34] <bill> (oh, I'm doing a workstation fresh install, btw)
[12:39] <RichiH> bill: i do not use ubuntu, but it would seem that the server is wrong, does not hold the file any more, is overloaded or your network connection is bad
[12:39] <RichiH> bill: you canjust apt-get install edubuntu-desktop from (k)ubuntu, btw
[12:41] <bill> RichiH: maybe it is overloaded. I'm giving edubuntu a go today because it was mentioned on slashdot yesterday. Maybe other people are too. I'm doing a fresh install because I am switching from Fedora Core 4.
[12:43] <RichiH> it's always good to switch to debian from red hat :)
[12:43] <RichiH> or ubuntu & fc, in this special case ;)
[12:43] <bill> RichiH: maybe I'll leave it a few hours and try again. (I think my network connection is good. I'm using another PC sharing the same connection right now. And the DHCP lookup seemed to go well during edubuntu install)
[12:45] <bill> RichiH: well, I switched from Mandriva to Fedora Core 4 about five months ago and have since discovered Ubuntu. I thought I'd try out Edubuntu on my kids' PC and see how it goes.
[12:47] <lucasvo> bill: I also had some problems with zlib1g
[12:47] <lucasvo> bill: but burning a new cd solved my problem
[12:50] <bill> lucasvo: oh? interesting. the iso checks out okay with md5.
[12:50] <bill> lucasvo: i'll burn another. 
[12:51] <lucasvo> bill: in my case I had a bad isoimage
[01:18] <bill> :) reburning the CD worked (same iso image). At least, I'm further through installation then last time
[01:46] <lucasvo> bill: it is strange
[01:46] <lucasvo> bill: I have to look into it more deeply
[01:47] <lucasvo> bill: what do you think, is it only bad luck or some strange code? 
[01:59] <in8> any humans in here?
[02:00] <in8> any plans for a live CD version of edubuntu?
[02:03] <Yagisan> in8: yes, this is a habit for homo sapiens
[02:04] <Yagisan> edubuntu is too big for a livecd
[02:04] <Yagisan> perhaps a livedvd in future ?
[02:05] <pirast> i heard that there will be a livecd in edubuntu dapper maybe
[02:05] <pirast> afk
[02:05] <Yagisan> yes that may be, ogra knows best - but not for not for breezy
[02:06] <Yagisan> ahgh,  s/not for not for/not for/
[02:06] <in8> cool.  I just installed my first ubuntu on friday.  Very nice
[02:06] <spacey> morning
[02:06] <spacey> lots of confusing about edubuntu in the slashdot post btw
[02:07] <spacey> few people expect standalone install but set up a classroom server 
[02:07] <Yagisan> it's on slashdot ?
[02:07] <spacey> yup
[02:07] <in8> that's where I saw the edubuntu announce too
[02:08] <spacey> guess the installer should ask in a menu if you want a classroom server or a standalone
[02:08] <spacey> Yagisan, good for you :)
[02:08] <Yagisan> IIRC you had to type "worstation" at install to get a stand alone
[02:09] <Yagisan> spacey: I'm happy to trade changing nappies for a few hours at the pc - want to sap
[02:09] <Yagisan> s/sap/swap
[02:09] <spacey> oh
[02:09] <spacey> crap
[02:09] <Yagisan> ;)
[02:09] <spacey> workstation ;p
[02:09] <spacey> worstation ;P
[02:09] <spacey> warstation!
[02:10] <in8> My take on the live / install thing:  I think a lot of peopl have a PC they don't want their kids messing with, so if they can boot a live CD for the kid's session (at home) they'd be happier.
[02:11] <spacey> in8, i think you can just do a normal install
[02:11] <spacey> much faster
[02:11] <in8> also, perhaps a 'pared down' version that fits on a CD for poor humans who don't have a DVD drive?
[02:11] <spacey> they can't mess up the system anyway if there are not sudo user
[02:12] <spacey> in8, edubuntu comes on CD
[02:12] <in8> Most people use windows still
[02:12] <in8> Im talking live CD, Yagisan suggested a liveDVD earlier
[02:12] <spacey> in8, well there is the live cd if you really want to use it. but i recommend installing it
[02:13] <spacey> there is a livecd
[02:13] <in8> of edubuntu?
[02:13] <spacey> hmm yeah, but i think its for dapper
[02:13] <Yagisan> in8: I suggested for future
[02:13] <in8> I installed the Ubuntu at work and am using it as a hylafax server
[02:13] <spacey> hylafax?
[02:13] <Yagisan> brb - my rsi is acting up, need to find a pain killer
[02:14] <in8> I popped in today after seeing a slashdot post about EDUbuntu, but didn't see a liveCD version on *that*
[02:14] <in8> spacey: google hylafax, its a fax server
[02:15] <in8> spacey: I had to change media sources and apt-get it
[02:16] <in8> Yagisan: I'm using it in conjunction with WHFC - works good
[02:19] <Yagisan> in8: The only thing that stops me deplaoying it
[02:20] <in8> is what? WHFC?
[02:20] <Yagisan> deploying it is, I haven't figured out a way to diverting incoming voice calls to and answering machine, while still taking incoming faxes
[02:21] <in8> we have a PBX system which is separate from a couple of normal lines we use for faxing
[02:22] <in8> seems like you could use something like http://www.asterisk.org/, no?
[02:23] <Yagisan> I have 1 (for the foreseeable future anyway), so until that changes, or I build a ubuntu-based answering machine ...
[02:23] <in8> ah
[02:23] <in8> asterisk is overkill then
[02:23] <Yagisan> but nice
[02:23] <Yagisan> I already checked it out. I need to move before I can deploy that
[02:24] <in8> what about distinct ring or something like that?
[02:25] <Yagisan> IIRC distinct ring services were incompatible with my adsl service, but to be honest - it's been a while since I checked
[02:26] <in8> oh well.  That seemed like the perfect solution since hylafax supports it
[02:29] <Yagisan> wow - that slashdot article really is misinformed
[02:29] <in8> I didn't actually read it, I just saw there was an edubuntu and ran to investigate
[02:30] <in8> Yagisan: I *did* just find a fax switch compatible with ADSL here: http://www.office1000.com/supplies/commandcommunications.html
[02:30] <Yagisan> they missed the target audience
[02:30] <in8> how many slashdotters have kids I wonder?
[02:30] <in8> I do
[02:32] <Yagisan> in8: thanks - I'll talk to telstra tomorrow about if I have a similar service here
[02:32] <Yagisan> I have kids, but I don't read slashdot often. To many trolls, I prefer lwn
[02:32] <in8> lwn?
[02:33] <Yagisan> in8: http://lwn.net/
[02:35] <in8> Yagisan: thanks! /. does have other kinds of info too though - science, etc.  I'm also a Mac user
[02:36] <in8> Yagisan: too early for *that* old debate ;)
[02:37] <in8> I totally missed that the target was schools.  Makes good sense
[02:37] <in8> My oldest is in 1st grade and they're using awful windows junk
[02:37] <spacey> Yagisan, yup the article is really bad
[02:37] <spacey> but maybe its not clear on our main page?
[02:37] <Yagisan> in8: I just like to tinker with the hardware
[02:38] <spacey> or people just don't read properly 
[02:38] <Yagisan> in8: my kids are too young for edubuntu ATM (21months and 17 days)
[02:38] <in8> Yagisan: cool! no sleep for you anyway, plenty of time to tinker
[02:39] <Yagisan> spacey: If they had had edubuntu when they were kids, they would have no trouble reading the front page :-P
[02:39] <spacey> my 12 year old sister wants to use Ubuntu because I use it :D (finally giving some good examples)
[02:39] <spacey> Yagisan, :)
[02:40] <Yagisan> my wife commented today that her new system (an Ubuntu breezy based thin client) is much nicer then her old windows system
[02:40] <Yagisan> I thought that was odd, as she never comments about the pc's
[02:41] <in8> I have convinced mine to use Mozilla instead of Outlook / IE, but so far a linux system on her PC is not happenin'.  I managed to get her on Win Server 2003 at least
[02:41] <Yagisan> in8: no time for me to tinker :( The kids barely leave me time to go to the loo in peace
[02:42] <Yagisan> it's 12:45am and the oldest is running around with her nappy in her hands
[02:42] <Yagisan> brb
[02:46] <Yagisan> re
[02:48] <in8> so, being new to ubuntu - is the distro based on debian?  I have trad. used Redhat / Mandriva
[02:53] <spacey> basicly yes
[02:55] <in8> So far, I haven't run into any 'show stoppers' - the dpkg system is not much different from rpm (from a users perspective), and the /etc/init.d/ services work the same way.  I was afraid I wouldn't be able to do anything
[02:59] <Yagisan> in8: It should run smoothly for you, if not we can give specific help on edubuntu or ltsp stuff here
[02:59] <Yagisan> in8: and general help is in #ubuntu
[03:00] <in8> Yagisan: thanks, I'll add #ubuntu to my startup list.
[03:12] <TheMafia> is there a livecd version of edubuntu?
[03:12] <in8> haha! I came and asked the same question!
[03:12] <TheMafia> lol
[03:12] <in8> not yet apparently
[03:12] <TheMafia> you must have just read slashdot as well
[03:12] <in8> yeah
[03:13] <in8> yagisan was really helpful
[03:13] <TheMafia> I can stear completely clear of winblows because my son has too many games that won't play on linux
[03:13] <TheMafia> did he say if there was a live cd planned?
[03:13] <in8> I thought there would be a lot of parents who didn't want to mess up their windows systems
[03:13] <Yagisan> TheMafia: I'm still here
[03:14] <in8> its pretty late in Aussie land
[03:14] <Yagisan> in8: you got it :)
[03:14] <TheMafia> Yagisan, is there a livecd planned?
[03:14] <in8> Yagisan: note - I did not set this up (full disclosure)
[03:15] <TheMafia> in8, you mean there is a way to avoid messing up your windows system :)
[03:15] <Yagisan> TheMafia: No livecd atm, ogra would like to make one for dapper (next release)
[03:15] <in8> HAHA
[03:15] <TheMafia> Yagisan, thanks, I will check back soon, any expected dates on the next release?
[03:16] <Yagisan> TheMafia: It releases same time as Ubuntu main release,
[03:16] <Yagisan> TheMafia: usually October and April are release months
[03:16] <TheMafia> thanks
[03:18] <Yagisan> in8: so, what tipped you off to me being in Oz ?
[03:19] <in8> when you ran off i did a whois (is that bad irc form?, sorry) when you said it was 12:45am to confirm my maths - saw the .au domain
[03:19] <in8> Im in NY
[03:21] <Yagisan> Cool, I do whois lookups on interesting people too :)
[03:22] <in8> I think there is a way to script a message to yourself when you're whois'd but Im an IRC newbie...
[03:24] <Yagisan> in8: I'm a bigger newbie at irc - I just fire up gaim and have only learned the /me command
[03:25] <Yagisan> in8: only having something faster then dialup for a few months may be the cause of that
[03:25] <in8> Yagisan: Im using xchat on OS X but highly recommend it
[03:27] <Yagisan> in8: I didn't really like xchat, I do like having all protocols I use on the one client though
[03:27] <in8> Yeah, I use gaim when on Linux too.
[03:28] <in8> is there a list of all the software avail in EDUbuntu?
[03:28] <Yagisan> in8: no, it's several thousand packages
[03:29] <Yagisan> in8: if you mean key packages
[03:29] <Yagisan> in8: it *should* be highlighted on the wiki
[03:30] <Yagisan> in8: just fire up synaptic, or if you like terminal based, aptitude and browse the huge list
[03:30] <spacey> in8, same software as available in ubuntu
[03:30] <spacey> helps if you add universe repository
[03:30] <Yagisan> in8: you may need a net connection for some apps in main, and for all of universe and multivesrse
[03:30] <Yagisan> *multiverse
[03:33] <in8> it boggles my mind how schools could still be paying for Microsoft when there's enough open source free stuff to run a small nation
[03:35] <Yagisan> in8: It's called "vendor lock-in"
[03:37] <in8> The Microsoft guys show up at the teacher conferences, but I've never seen a linux kiosk at one.
[03:38] <in8> (Im talking about shows where new technologies / products / books are shown and teachers can attend and browse
[03:39] <in8> also, the person who runs the computers at a school probably has to have some kind of piece of paper certificate to get the job
[03:39] <in8> MCSE
[03:39] <spacey> thats where i come in :P
[03:39] <spacey> we migrate schools from windows to edubuntu :P
[03:40] <spacey> at least thats our goal
[03:40] <in8> and the parents are probably afraid that kids will learn the 'wrong' software
[03:40] <Yagisan> brb
[03:40] <spacey> just started since edubuntu is quite new
[03:40] <in8> spacey: cool! where are you?
[03:40] <spacey> the netherlands:)
[03:40] <in8> ah :(
[03:40] <spacey> i don't mind going abroad:P
[03:40] <in8> too progressive for the evil empire
[03:42] <spacey> its quite a pain to migrate it btw, but we are finishing up our reference project and seems really promising
[03:42] <spacey> we can deploy it fairly quick in the future 
[03:42] <spacey> same for businesses
[03:43] <in8> is there really any *migration* of data? what data, if any, gets migrated?
[03:43] <spacey> sure
[03:43] <in8> or is it just replacement of OS
[03:43] <spacey> documents, e-mail
[03:43] <in8> ah
[03:43] <in8> I was thinking the kids programs 
[03:43] <spacey> and we currently create a mixed environment
[03:43] <spacey> well there are some kids programs
[03:44] <spacey> and we fix a few with wine, and the rest is lost
[03:44] <spacey> too bad:P
[03:44] <in8> I run a mixed environment - I have migrated some of the servers to linux 
[03:44] <spacey> they just use a lot of programs that the teachers bought themselves for 20 euro at the local bookstore
[03:44] <spacey> migrating profiles from ADS to samba was a bit of a pain
[03:45] <spacey> but we succeeded
[03:45] <in8> That has me stopped 
[03:45] <in8> maybe its worth flying you over :)
[03:45] <spacey> :D
[03:45] <spacey> would be cool :P
[03:45] <spacey> you live in USA i assume?
[03:45] <in8> My company is not going to do that just yet though - end of cycle is next year
[03:46] <in8> yeah
[03:46] <in8> New York
[03:46] <spacey> ah :)
[03:46] <spacey> end of cycle of ?
[03:46] <spacey> the software licenses or something?
[03:46] <in8> they expect to get a certain number of years out of the software investment
[03:46] <in8> before upgrades / changes
[03:46] <spacey> ah yeah
[03:46] <spacey> well next year is fine :P
[03:47] <spacey> were still finishing this up and finetuning our skills regarding migration at this point
[03:47] <in8> I will be able to pitch changes to the DHCP / DNS servers next year sometime
[03:48] <spacey> We had to migrate the ADS because its so tightly knitted to dhcp/dns 
[03:48] <in8> right now we're only doing database (oracle), cvs, and web servers on linux
[03:48] <spacey> and we needed those on linux
[03:48] <spacey> for the thin clients
[03:48] <in8> makes sense
[03:48] <spacey> and you can't just turn dhcp off on the ADS machine
[03:48] <spacey> hell breaks lose
[03:49] <in8> we have some show stoppers there though - CAD software we use (SolidWorks) is only windows I think
[03:49] <spacey> yeah, well you can keep those users on windows
[03:49] <spacey> its not a problem
[03:49] <spacey> just replace there office software and such with OO.o
[03:50] <in8> solidworks integrates to Microsoft Office unfortunately
[03:50] <in8> theres a lot of that
[03:50] <spacey> and they we do it, users get the same files wether they log in to the ubuntu terminal server or on the windows network
[03:50] <spacey> nasty
[03:51] <in8> My first experience with ubuntu was quite good though
[03:51] <spacey> well guess you'll keep a few windows users or your net
[03:51] <spacey> but at least you can switch serverside completely
[03:51] <spacey> and clients where wanted
[03:52] <in8> seems possible
[03:52] <spacey> thats how we do it now
[03:52] <in8> is your government using Windows? 
[03:53] <spacey> yup
[03:53] <in8> us too
[03:53] <spacey> although i heard some stories of a few towns switching, but its not widely spread
[03:53] <in8> one state (massachusetts) has recently mandated open standard for docs
[03:54] <in8> then microsoft came out with an open standard announcement
[03:54] <in8> but of course its their standard
[03:54] <spacey> tricky bastards
[03:54] <in8> gotta run - breakfast calls - nice talking with you all
[03:54] <spacey> see you :)
[05:02] <Elsan> I'm thinking of installing Linux on my aunt's old computer(ALWAYS gets LOTS of spyware for some reason) instead of Windows. They have a 4 year old kid, would EduBuntu be a good idea?
[05:04] <Yagisan> Elsan: workstation install should be ok, 4 is a little younger then the target audience, but it should be ok
[05:05] <Elsan> It's primarily for work and internet use  but I think it could be useful later
[05:06] <Yagisan> Elsan: no worries, edubuntu is ubuntu + education apps
[05:06] <Elsan> Ok. Anyway, I'll just download "ubuntu-desktop"
[05:06] <Elsan> Does GNOME run well on an old computer also? It ran Windows 2000. I don't think KDE can fit for sure.
[05:08] <Yagisan> Elsan: more ram helps more then cpu speed
[05:08] <Yagisan> 256MB+ is ideal
[05:09] <Elsan> Thanks. Do you know if the applications are available in french?
[05:09] <Yagisan> Elsan: A lot should be translated, when installing, pick french as the default language
[05:10] <Yagisan> and whatever has french translations should work
[05:10] <Elsan> Ok, thanks!
[05:11] <Elsan> If it doesn't have enough RAM for Gnome, I'll just install xubuntu, I'm a little familiar with it.
[05:11] <Yagisan> Elsan: your welcome
[05:11] <Yagisan> Elsan: Ubuntu doesn't install on anything less then 64MB
[05:11] <Yagisan> I tried
[05:11] <Yagisan> on a 64MB box is is slow (constant swapping)
[05:11] <Yagisan> s/is is/it is
[05:11] <Elsan> It runs Windows 2000, so it should be okay.
[05:12] <Yagisan> 128MB was better
[05:12] <Elsan> Edubuntu looks really cool
[05:12] <Elsan> I like the look
[05:15] <Elsan> Should I install with the "workstation" entry?
[05:15] <Elsan> LTSP is for classroom use?
[05:15] <Yagisan> yes, for a single desktop install
[05:16] <Yagisan> ltsp sets up extra things not needed for a single edubuntu desktop
[05:22] <Elsan> Yagisan: Would it be the same if I just installed Ubuntu from my normal CD and then install "edubuntu-desktop"?
[05:22] <Elsan> Same as "workstation".
[05:23] <spacey> AFAIK yes
[05:24] <Elsan> AFAIK?
[05:24] <mugroar> as far as i know
[05:25] <ogra> yes :) workstation is the same as ubuntu+edubuntu-desktop
[05:25] <Yagisan> Elsan: ys
[05:25] <Yagisan> yes
[05:26] <Elsan> Ok, then I will use my Ubuntu cd. Thanks.
[05:26] <Elsan> Would LTSP be useful for only 2 computers?
[05:26] <Yagisan> Elsan: make sure it's a breezy cd, and you have a net connection working
[05:26] <Yagisan> Elsan: I could be, I have 3 working clients off my server
[05:27] <Yagisan> s/I/It
[05:27] <Elsan> I will install it on one computer for now. Thanks.
[05:27] <Yagisan> Elsan: was 5 clients, but I had some rain damage :(
[05:27] <Elsan> :(
[05:27] <Elsan> brb
[05:28] <Yagisan> ogra: how was the talk ?
[05:29] <ogra> it was ok ... i'm not really used to talk in german :)
[05:29] <mugroar> i would like to add an ubuntu/edubuntu install to a computer that currently has debian (and grub) installed. Do i have to split / make new partitions manualyl before or can i just throw in the installer cd
[05:29] <Yagisan> ogra: did you see edubuntu on slashdot ?
[05:29] <Yagisan> mugroar: what version debian ?
[05:30] <ogra> yup ... i wonder if it was an outcome of yesterday ... 
[05:30] <mugroar> Yagisan: cat /etc/debian_version  says 3.1
[05:30] <Yagisan> mugroar: you could upgrade from some versions of debian to ubuntu
[05:31] <mugroar> Yagisan: i want debian and ubuntu peacefully coexist and show up in the grub boot loader
[05:31] <Yagisan> mugroar: ok, need to carve out a chunk of space for it then.
[05:32] <mugroar> using parted i guess?
[05:32] <Yagisan> mugroar: I don't know, I always set my systems up with lvm and just add and remove space with that
[05:32] <ogra> http://photos.shermann.blogweb.de/main.php/v/elt2005/?g2_page=2&g2_GALLERYSID=c504231f9c2b3182f27c9f7383b71d4c
[05:32] <ogra> ^^^ pics from the talk
[05:34] <Yagisan> ogra: you're not used to speaking in german ?
[05:34] <mugroar> Yagisan: ok, thanks, maybe it would be nice to have that option included in the installer, to split an existing partition, to make it easier if possible
[05:34] <spacey> you grew a beard :o
[05:35] <ogra> Yagisan, not really ... i'm easier finding the right words n english while holind talks ... i have to think about the right german transaltion all the time ... to used to englih words at work *g*
[05:36] <Yagisan> mugroar: I don't have any say on installer, I'm just a freelance guy that does support, and sends patches (+new bugs) for ltsp
[05:36] <Elsan> Yagisan: Where do you live to have your computer damaged by rain?
[05:37] <Yagisan> Elsan: Top floor of the apartment block. We had some *really* bad wether in Sydney a few days ago
[05:37] <Elsan> Ok.
[05:37] <Yagisan> I had rain *horizonally* through the windows
[05:37] <Elsan> :O
[05:37] <Yagisan> and water came out of the powerpoints
[05:38] <Yagisan> I took pictures with my phone
[05:39] <Elsan> Thank you for your help. I think Ubuntu will work much better for them since it won't have spyware and they're able to do the same things as in Windows. I think it will also be easier to learn computers for my cousin.
[05:40] <Yagisan> Elsan: It's a nice system, my wife has no troubles with it
[05:40] <Yagisan> Elsan: and she had never used a *NIX system until I set her system up
[05:40] <ogra> mugroar, afaik the partition resize feature actually *is* in the installer (at least in breezy
[05:40] <ogra> )
[05:41] <Elsan> I will let them try it on their old desktop and if they like it, I can always install it on their primary comp(laptop).
[05:41] <Lord_Athur> hi
[05:43] <Elsan> Ubuntu works so well, I don't have Windows installed and only run it in VMware for my VB.NET classes.
[05:44] <Elsan> hi
[05:44] <Lord_Athur> Elsan, 
[05:44] <Lord_Athur> is vmware free?
[05:45] <Yagisan> Lord_Athur: no
[05:45] <Lord_Athur> ok
[05:45] <Yagisan> Lord_Athur: they do have a "player" app, that doesn't cost money
[05:45] <ogra> the player is free (as free beer) 
[05:45] <Lord_Athur> ok
[05:45] <Yagisan> Lord_Athur: it can be "massaged" into working similar to the normal version
[05:46] <Yagisan> Lord_Athur: details in the forums somewhere
[05:46] <Yagisan> Lord_Athur: but depening on what you want, qemu may work
[05:46] <Yagisan> Lord_Athur: or bochs (but that is slow)
[05:47] <Lord_Athur> ok
[05:48] <Lord_Athur> I'm installing qemu
[05:48] <Lord_Athur> :D
[05:50] <Lord_Athur> what's the name of the application that allows me to use GAMBAS with more options?
[05:50] <Yagisan> Lord_Athur: if qemu doesn't work, vmware do do a 30day trial. Wish it was free though (gpl sense rather then dollar sense)
[05:50] <Lord_Athur> there must be an application for each graphical enviroment
[05:50] <Lord_Athur> ap ok Yagisan thanks 
[05:50] <Lord_Athur> :D
[05:51] <Lord_Athur> shudders?
[05:51] <Lord_Athur> what does the word shudders mean?
[05:51] <ogra> shudder~= shvier ...
[05:51] <ogra> *shiver
[05:52] <Yagisan> gambas, isn't that vb for linux ?
[05:52] <ogra> yup
[05:52] <ogra> sort of
[05:53] <Lord_Athur> Yagisan: I was a windows programer, and I used VB
[05:53] <Lord_Athur> now with edubuntu I can make applications
[05:53] <Lord_Athur> using gambas
[05:53] <Lord_Athur> but I need to install other applications first
[05:54] <mugroar> Lord_Athur: i just bought a linux magazine yesterday that has "Realbasic under Linux instead of Visual Basic under Windows" on the cover
[05:54] <ogra> eeek
[05:54] <ogra> realbasic is really evil
[05:54] <Yagisan> Lord_Athur: gambas is in ubuntu
[05:55] <Lord_Athur> ok
[05:55] <Yagisan> Lord_Athur: It's in universe
[05:55] <Lord_Athur> but I need aditional tools for make good programs
[05:55] <Lord_Athur> more controls
[05:55] <Lord_Athur> and I read that each graphical enviroment has its own.
[05:56] <ogra> you cant just open the sourcecode of realbasic in a normal editor ... it only opens in the realbasic editor ... (binary sourcecode ....)
[05:57] <Yagisan> Lord_Athur: I see a gambas-gb-qt in universe, it is a qt (kde) windows toolkit
[05:57] <Yagisan> ogra: that reminds me of gwbasic
[05:57] <ogra> yup, its quite similar ...
[05:58] <Lord_Athur> qm
[05:58] <Lord_Athur> gwbasic
[05:58] <Lord_Athur> I'm installing wine
[05:59] <Lord_Athur> I'll try gwbasic & xwine when aptitude finishes
[05:59] <Yagisan> Lord_Athur: no, no gwbasic
[05:59] <Lord_Athur> pq?
[05:59] <Lord_Athur> why?
[06:00] <Yagisan> Lord_Athur: gwbasic is from M$DOS 4 and earlier
[06:00] <ogra> nobody could use your apps in ubuntu/edubuntu
[06:00] <Lord_Athur> a?
[06:00] <Yagisan> Lord_Athur: I was commenting it also used a binary format for source code
[06:01] <Lord_Athur> ogra, If I make a program with gambas, will the edubuntu user be able to use it?
[06:01] <ogra> Lord_Athur, yes, but we wouldnt be able to ship it, since gambas will never be supported in ubuntu/edubuntu ... if you want to write aps the we could ship, use python ...
[06:02] <Lord_Athur> why edubuntu/ubuntu support gambas?
[06:02] <ogra> gambas would be ok for universe thoug, realbasic or gwbasic wouldnt even be possible for universe
[06:02] <Lord_Athur> why edubuntu/ubuntu do not support gambas?
[06:03] <ogra> because we would need a main developer from ubuntu to care for it, nobody will want to do that ... 
[06:03] <ogra> it will stay in universe ...
[06:03] <ogra> so if the language itself is in universe, you cant put an app using it to main (the shipped part)
[06:04] <Lord_Athur> but why wouldn't nobody do that?
[06:04] <ogra> because nobody in ubuntu does anything with basic ...
[06:04] <ogra> python is the language used everywhere in ubuntu 
[06:04] <Lord_Athur> ap ok
[06:05] <Lord_Athur> but can be there a distro using the basic code?
[06:06] <ogra> you could make a own derivative distro and include gambas in it ... 
[06:06] <Lord_Athur> ok
[06:06] <Yagisan> Lord_Athur: It can be used, but not in "main". This isn't necessarily a bad thing
[06:06] <ogra> i think guadalinex has gambas included, their management apps are written in gambas
[06:06] <Lord_Athur> 
[06:06] <Lord_Athur> ok
[06:06] <ogra> and they are based on ubuntu afaik
[06:06] <spacey> and its spanish right?
[06:07] <Lord_Athur> :D
[06:07] <ogra> ye
[06:07] <ogra> s
[06:07] <spacey> so good for Lord_Athur 
[06:07] <Lord_Athur> spacey, don't you like the Spanish language?
[06:07] <Lord_Athur> jajaja
[06:07] <spacey> Lord_Athur, actually i want to learn it soon
[06:07] <Lord_Athur> ap ok
[06:08] <Yagisan> Lord_Athur: Ubuntu just does not have the man-power to devote to supporting not as common software in "main", eg gambas
[06:08] <Lord_Athur> then it'd be better to support anyone talking in the language, really?
[06:08] <Lord_Athur> ok Yagisan 
[06:08] <Lord_Athur> :D
[06:08] <Yagisan> Lord_Athur: universe has so very good support (even I fixed universe bugs)
[06:09] <Lord_Athur> then Yagisan what distro should I use?
[06:09] <ogra> edubuntu is also avaliable in spanish... as in 89 other languages :)
[06:09] <Lord_Athur> Yagisan,  for help in it
[06:09] <ogra> else mhz wouldnt push it this hard ;)
[06:09] <Lord_Athur> Ogra I use ubuntu/edubuntu in spanish
[06:09] <Yagisan> Lord_Athur: I can only suggest what I did. Try a few, and pick the 1 or 2 you like best
[06:09] <ogra> you see :)
[06:10] <Yagisan> Lord_Athur: I like Debian and Ubuntu, but Ubuntu had a easier community to get into, and had security support for my arch
[06:10] <Lord_Athur> then guadalinux must be one for download free like ubuntu(and all the other), really?
[06:10] <Yagisan> Lord_Athur: so I ended up picking Ubuntu
[06:10] <ogra> Lord_Athur, its nothing wrong in writing apps in gambas if it suits you best, but i would be very sad if you produce something rally cool and we couldnt include it because of that ...
[06:11] <ogra> thats why i pointed it out ....
[06:11] <Lord_Athur> ok
[06:12] <Lord_Athur> I'm trying to learn all the programs for make all type of applications
[06:12] <Yagisan> Lord_Athur: If the app you write is in C, C++, python or perl, and is really cool, it could end up in main
[06:12] <ogra> (and on the CD)
[06:12] <Lord_Athur> :D
[06:13] <ogra> ;)
[06:13] <Lord_Athur> ogra, 
[06:13] <Lord_Athur> did you write in a wiki page the steps followed for you to make edubuntu?
[06:13] <Lord_Athur> I'd like to learn how to make a distro
[06:14] <Lord_Athur> maybe I'll be able to have my own one
[06:15] <ogra> that wouldnt help you much, since i develop insider ubuntu and use our infrastructure thats not public available, but there is a good HOWTO how to customize the CD (both, live and install)
[06:15] <ogra> s/insider/inside/
[06:15] <ogra> i.e. how to change the set of included packages etc ...
[06:15] <Lord_Athur> of this way maybe I will be allowed to help more in edubuntu
[06:15] <Lord_Athur> yes
[06:16] <ogra> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallCDCustomizationHowTo
[06:16] <Yagisan> night all. I'll leave myself logged in until my isp kicks me.
[06:16] <Lord_Athur> a?
[06:16] <ogra> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveCDCustomizationHowTo
[06:17] <ogra> night Yagisan 
[06:17] <Lord_Athur> I cannot understand all
[06:17] <Lord_Athur> :S
[06:17] <Lord_Athur> i've to go
[06:17] <Lord_Athur> I see you later
[06:17] <ogra> bye
[06:17] <Lord_Athur> bye
[07:49] <Lord_Athur> hi
[09:03] <Lord_Athur> hi everyone
[09:04] <Lord_Athur> ogra, where can I find information about how to make my own distro?
[09:04] <spacey> maybe you should start it slowly
[09:04] <spacey> at learn how to package software first
[09:04] <spacey> i think that is a basic skill
[09:04] <spacey> for making your own distro
[09:05] <Lord_Athur> ok
[09:06] <Lord_Athur> but can you answer me?
[09:06] <spacey> you don't have an howto on making your own distro
[09:06] <spacey> you just combine different things
[09:06] <spacey> just learn how to package
[09:06] <spacey> after you have done that set up your own repository
[09:07] <spacey> and then you can also make you own install cd
[09:08] <crimsun> Lord_Athur: there's excellent documentation on the Debian Web site for starters
[09:08] <Lord_Athur> thanks crimsun 
[09:08] <crimsun> (presuming you wish to base it on Debian)
[09:08] <Lord_Athur> debian can be a good distro as base system
[09:10] <hendrik_> hi all
[09:10] <hendrik_> i have a thin client boot problem
[09:10] <crimsun> 'lo
[09:11] <hendrik_> the ethernet card has an Asix AX88140 chip
[09:11] <hendrik_> it uses the tulip driver
[09:11] <hendrik_> it works on a 10 Mbs hub in a test setup
[09:12] <hendrik_> it also boots halfway on 100 Mbs switch
[09:12] <hendrik_> then it sets the media type to full-duplex and goes silent
[09:13] <hendrik_> the tulip website says i can force it using "insmod tulip.o options=13" or something
[09:15] <hendrik_> to set the media type to MII 100 base Tx
[09:15] <hendrik_> where would i put such a command to be executed by some clients?
[09:15] <crimsun> on boot?
[09:16] <hendrik_> well yes, i don't get to a terminal or anything
[09:16] <crimsun> echo "options tulip options=13" | sudo tee -a /etc/modprobe.d/tulip
[09:17] <hendrik_> do i do this on the server?
[09:18] <hendrik_> i should add that i am very new to linux
[09:19] <crimsun> on the machine that contains the hardware activated by the tulip driver
[09:20] <hendrik_> ok but how do i get to talk to that machine cos its still booting?
[09:20] <crimsun> eh?
[09:21] <crimsun> you would type that at the terminal of the machine containing the tulip card
[09:21] <crimsun> (once you log in)
[09:21] <hendrik_> i would like to, but the machine boots over the network...
[09:22] <crimsun> hmm, I see
[09:24] <hendrik_> when the machine freezes, it seems to be executing /scripts/nfstop
[09:24] <hendrik_> sorry /scripts/nfs-top
[09:25] <crimsun> it looks like you'd need to modify lts.conf
[09:25] <crimsun> let's see if it allows module parameters
[09:27] <crimsun> ah
[09:28] <crimsun> in lts.conf, MODULE??? = "tulip.ko options=13"
[09:28] <crimsun> where MODULE??? is the syntax given the number
[09:30] <hendrik_> lts.conf is in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc ?
[09:30] <hendrik_> does edubuntu create it or should i?
[09:30] <crimsun> I don't know precisely where it is, since I haven't mucked with it
[09:32] <hendrik_> a very basic question: how do i search for lts.conf from the terminal?
[09:32] <crimsun> find / -name 'lts.conf'
[09:32] <crimsun> I'm guessing it'll be in /etc
[09:36] <hendrik_> ok i only found it here: /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/doc/ltsp-client/examples/lts.conf
[09:37] <crimsun> that's odd, there should be a package with it in /usr/share/doc/
[09:38] <hendrik_> it seems everything to do with ltsp on edubuntu server is under /opt/ltsp/i386
[09:39] <crimsun> for conffiles? interesting. Example conffiles should be in the package documentation. Oh well, I suppose the actual conffile is located elsewhere.
[09:40] <hendrik_> i wouldn't know where it should be
[09:41] <crimsun> no, that's fine. If it exists there, use it.
[09:43] <hendrik_> if you say MODULE??? does it mean eg MODULE_01 ?
[09:44] <crimsun> yes
[09:44] <crimsun> (hence three question marks)
[09:44] <hendrik_> how do i find out what the ??? should become?
[09:45] <hendrik_> or do i load the module tulip ?
[09:45] <hendrik_> ok i think i see
[09:47] <hendrik_> sure it's tulip.ko or is it only tulip.o?
[09:48] <crimsun> .ko
[09:48] <crimsun> .o is the old module suffix
[09:48] <hendrik_> aha
[09:50] <hendrik_> so i want to limit this to only some thin clients
[09:51] <hendrik_> do i need to give them static ip addresses?
[09:51] <crimsun> that I don't know; check in #ltsp
[09:52] <crimsun> (no, you can use dhcp, too)
[09:53] <hendrik_> so maybe MAC addresses, cos i need to identify them some way
[09:54] <hendrik_> i am sitting at my test server now, but am not at the school
[09:54] <hendrik_> i will only be able to test this tomorrow
[09:55] <hendrik_> thanks for the help, crimsun, this was my first ever IRC session
[09:56] <crimsun> np
[09:57] <crimsun> sorry I can't help you out fully
[09:59] <hendrik_> well at least i know where to start