[12:05] <JohnnyMast> but its stange because in the package you have entry`s not containing the prefix
[12:05] <JohnnyMast> they just appy install
[12:05] <JohnnyMast> install -m .... <include file in .deb> <location>
[12:05] <tseng> install knows what the prefix is
[12:05] <Seveas> enabling support for xinetd should be done in debian/config so it would work with dpkg-reconfigure
[12:07] <JohnnyMast> thats the problem it picks inetd even if its not installed
[12:07] <Seveas> and the file for xinetd.d should be in /usr/share/pure-ftpd, the config should just symlink it (and the postinst should remove that symlink)
[12:07] <JohnnyMast> thats why i added a defpend to inetd
[12:07] <Seveas> postrm*
[12:08] <JohnnyMast> ile work it out
[12:09] <JohnnyMast> just put up some nice music and im on a role
[12:09] <JohnnyMast> r.e.m or bad religion
[12:09] <hunger> Isen't inetd about to get removed? I think I read something like that.
[12:10] <JohnnyMast> well its okey because now it depends on xinetd (pre) or secundary inetd
[12:11] <hunger> JohnnyMast: I think the inetd functionality was about to get removed altogether... It is not really worth the trouble with the amount of RAM in current boxes.
[12:11] <JohnnyMast> if thats the case
[12:11] <hunger> JohnnyMast: But I might be wrong... could have been a debian or gentoo or fedora list where I read that:-)
[12:11] <JohnnyMast> the pure-ftpd has to go on the shuffle
[12:11] <JohnnyMast> because
[12:12] <JohnnyMast> it as like in debian
[12:12] <JohnnyMast> prefers inetd
[12:12] <JohnnyMast> the whole package is buid that way
[12:12] <hunger> JohnnyMast: I am on way to many MLs.
[12:13] <JohnnyMast> and has a no good switch to do || if inetd_install_faild; then mode=standalone
[12:13] <JohnnyMast> its not good in that
[12:13] <JohnnyMast> good :)
[12:13] <Seveas> JohnnyMast, when you think you are finished please post the complete debdiff pn the pastebin
[12:13] <JohnnyMast> it keeps you up-to-daye
[12:13] <JohnnyMast> Seveas for sure
[12:14] <hunger> JohnnyMast: Well, what good is that if you can't remember where the fact you just learned belongs to?
[12:15] <JohnnyMast> its not the orgin but knowing it is better
[12:15] <JohnnyMast> i forgot where my shools where
[12:15] <Seveas> no way
[12:15] <JohnnyMast> but i know what i learned
[12:15] <JohnnyMast> :)
[12:15] <Seveas> hungers fact is useless, since he doesn't know where it's from (not ubuntu anyway)
[12:16] <Seveas> so knowing the origin is important :)
[12:17] <JohnnyMast> hmm yeah but i didnt read it in ubuntu eighter so
[12:25] <JohnnyMast> forgot to add pure-ftpd-common.xinetd to pure-ftpd-common.preinst
[12:25] <lifeless> azeem: around ?
[01:07] <raphink> siretart: just so you know, your debian/control in mplayer-skins in not UTF-8
[01:10] <raphink> or rather
[01:10] <raphink> it doesn't open as UTF8
[01:10] <raphink> wonder why
[01:58] <LaserJock> ok, for the packaging guide do you guys recommend apt-get or aptitude for installing packages?
[01:59] <minghua> but then again, my opinion is biased as I'm an aptitude advocator
[01:59] <LaserJock> aptitude automatically installs Recommends
[02:00] <minghua> then recomment using aptitude -R/--without-recommends in your doc
[02:00] <Seveas> LaserJock, that's configurable
[02:00] <minghua> s/recomment/recommend/
[02:01] <minghua> LaserJock: The only problem I can see is that aptitude 0.4 is still a little beta-ish and has bugs
[02:01] <LaserJock> oh, I'm not against aptitude but I just want to use something that will be best for readers
[02:01] <minghua> but then again, upstream is fixing them in a fast pace
[02:02] <LaserJock> minghua: I was thinking installing Recommends was a positive
[02:02] <minghua> LaserJock: just tell them the --without-recommends and the /etc/apt/apt.conf setting at the first place, and I think they'll love it
[02:03] <minghua> LaserJock: the problem is that quite a lot of Debian packages are misusing the Recommends: section
[02:03] <minghua> LaserJock: many of those should be Suggests: instead
[02:04] <LaserJock> so then apt-get might be an advantage  since you don't have to explain what -R is for, etc.
[02:04] <minghua> LaserJock: yeah, you can say so :-)
[02:16] <azeem> lifeless: now
[02:22] <raphink> I guess Recommends should list packages that directly add fonctionalities to the program
[03:20] <Kyral> I feel dirty
[03:20] <Kyral> I used Checkinstall to make a local package
[03:22] <Kyral> Wait
[03:22] <Kyral> I can't use Checkinstall
[03:22] <Kyral> HA!
[03:22] <Kyral> VICTORY IS MINE!
[03:27] <Kyral> hmm
[03:27] <Kyral> I program I am trying to run wants libwx_gtk2u_xrc-2.5
[03:28] <Kyral> is it alright to just symlink the libwx_gtk2u_xrc-2.6 to it?
[03:34] <Kyral> ...
[03:34] <LaserJock> sure ;-)
[03:34] <Kyral> this stupid program is using 2.5 of wxwidgets
[03:34] <Kyral> STABBITY
[03:34] <Kyral> STABBITY!!!
[03:34] <LaserJock> Kyral: that's crappy
[03:34] <Kyral> I know I know
[03:34] <Kyral> I'm symlinking
[03:36] <Kyral> Or can I download libwxgtk2.5
[03:42] <Kyral> ...this angers me
[03:44] <Kyral> I have to compile 2.5 of wxwidgets
[03:50] <LaserJock> hi bmonty
[03:50] <bmonty> hey LaserJock
[03:51] <crimsun> Kyral: that's very bad; an RC-level bug should be filed on it. Which is it?
[03:52] <Kyral> Its not a Debian bug
[03:52] <Kyral> Its a program out of Debian
[03:52] <Kyral> I was just venting :P
[03:52] <Kyral> They gave the sourcecode to wxwidgets 2.5
[03:53] <crimsun> for the most part, most things can be carried forward to 2.6
[03:53] <crimsun> there's not _too_ much breakage
[03:56] <Kyral> Should I make this..lol
[03:56] <Kyral> waste.sourceforge.net
[03:58] <LaserJock> bmonty: how's the kiddo?
[03:59] <bmonty> LaserJock: he is making life interesting :)
[03:59] <LaserJock> bmonty: I'm sure
[04:05] <Kyral> Friend wants to know if Waste is okay to package
[04:05] <Kyral> along with WxWidgets 2.5
[04:05] <crimsun> absolutely not.
[04:06] <Kyral> thats what I thought
[04:06] <Amaranth> wxwidgets 2.5 will not be packaged
[04:06] <crimsun> Waste is fine _without_ wxwidgets2.5
[04:06] <Amaranth> it's the unstable version of 2.6
[04:06] <Kyral> Yah well, I have no clue how to change the sourcecode to use 2.6
[04:07] <crimsun> note also that wxwidgets2.5 was ripped out of Debian Sarge prior to its release for being both non-free in its license and for being horribly broken according to its Debian maintainer (and upstream developer)
[04:07] <Amaranth> i remember that, i had to pluck things from either hoary or warty to get 2.5
[04:07] <crimsun> the only reason it remained in Hoary is that we weren't quick enough
[04:27] <Kyral> my friend was amused that you objected to WxWidgets instead of WASTE :P
[05:37] <irvin> masters of the universe
[05:38] <irvin> i want to download all the packages for breezy from archive.ubuntu.com but i don't know which one to get.. dists/breezy or /pool
[05:39] <LaserJock> all of them?
[05:39] <freeflying> irvin: there maybe 120G space need
[05:40] <irvin> i want to make a dvd for all the packages and distribute them among the broaband-impared
[05:43] <irvin> but i want the binary packages only for i386
[05:44] <bmonty> irvin: can't you use the DVD images?
[05:48] <freeflying> bmonty:  he need all bainary package of i386
[05:48] <TheMuso> irvin: Look into debmirror.
[05:48] <TheMuso> To download them at least.
[07:34] <poningru> can someone test something in a package?
[07:34] <poningru> !info wifi-radar
[08:30] <zakame> hello all :)
[08:37] <sivang> morning zakame
[08:37] <sivang> zakame: congrets for being approved as a motu, just saw the motu report
[08:38] <zakame> sivang: thanks very much! :)
[08:38] <zakame> how's everything?
[08:39] <sivang> zakame: pretty fine, LaserJock was trying to help me walkthrough a merge , are you able to?
[08:39] <sivang> (err, I may need to reset my lpbugs.conf file again here and checkout again the motu-tools archive)
[08:41] <zakame> what part of the process are you in now?
[08:43] <sivang> zakame: I will be ready for opening and assigning the merge bug to me in a couple of minutes. As this is not my personal workstation I'l need to reset my lpbugs.conf here
[08:43] <zakame> ooh
[08:44] <sivang> actually, coming to think of it - I also need a pbuilder right?
[08:44] <sivang> (besides a chroot)
[08:45] <zakame> its recommended :) though if you say that's not your personal machine, you can skip that
[08:45] <zakame> but the chroot's needed
[08:45] <bojan> hi!
[08:45] <zakame> hey bojan :)
[08:45] <sivang> ok, thenm I'll skip the pbuilder. I'll just work inside the chroot
[08:46] <bojan> hi zakame. how are you?
[08:46] <zakame> bojan: just hanging out for a while :) will be hearing mass a bit later
[08:55] <zakame> bbl
[09:16] <sivang> anybody here ? :)
[09:17] <sivang> I wonder why some of the items in http://tiber.tauware.de/~sistpoty/MoM/index.py?state=new are not found when clicked through to scott's folder
[10:49] <nomed> why does the pkge xfwm4 has so many /usr/share/applications/xfce*.desktop files?
[10:52] <nomed> umm well .. why can't all those xfce*.desktop file be substituted with xfce-settings-manager.desktop ?
[11:21] <siretart> morning
[11:21] <ajmitch> morning siretart
[11:21] <siretart> nomed: you should ask janimo
[11:21] <siretart> huhu ajmitch
[11:22] <nomed> ok thanks
[11:22] <nomed> i'll post a message to ubuntu-motu list
[11:22] <ajmitch> hi StevenK
[11:23] <StevenK> ajmitch: So, if I point you to a debdiff, will you look over it for me?
[11:23] <nomed> it's just that i have the settings menu section that contains just xfce stuff and takes all the screen
[11:23] <nomed> it's really a long list
[11:23] <ajmitch> StevenK: right now? I could give it a quick glance but I'll be sleeping soon
[11:24] <StevenK> ajmitch: Hrm. It's moin, and the _merged.debdiff is 13Mb, so lets leave it until tomorrow. :-)
[11:26] <ajmitch> youch
[11:26] <ajmitch> why so large?
[11:26] <ajmitch> what ubuntu changes were made in the past that bloat it out?
[11:27] <StevenK> A shedload of files had their ^M's removed.
[11:27] <ajmitch> aha
[11:27] <ajmitch> evil
[11:27] <StevenK> And a shedload of i18n stuff.
[11:27] <StevenK> -rw-r--r--  1 steven users 7.6M 2005-12-04 12:49 debian/patches/203_ubuntu_i18n.patch
[11:27] <ajmitch> the debian debdiff is 20M by itself
[11:28] <ajmitch> it's warm enough here
[11:28] <StevenK> Yah. It was bloody 32C here today.
[11:28] <ajmitch> probably only about mid 20s here
[11:28] <StevenK> You don't have the Weather applet? :-)
[11:29] <ajmitch> it doesn't show dunedin, last I looked :)
[11:29] <StevenK> Ah.
[11:29] <StevenK> -rw-r--r--  1 steven users 8.1M 2005-12-04 21:28 moin_1.3.5-1ubuntu1.debdiff
[11:29] <StevenK> Given most of that has to be the 7.6Mb 203_ubuntu_i18n.patch, that's pretty good.
[11:30] <siretart> boah, and here it is snowing, and the streets are damn icy...
[11:30] <ajmitch> 23C here
[11:30] <siretart> puh
[11:30] <ajmitch> so my guess wasn't too far off
[11:31] <StevenK> I'd much prefer 23C.
[11:31] <StevenK> After about 29C, my Athlon starts to get a little too warm, and it misbehaves.
[11:31] <ajmitch> which was a bit warmer than dunedin
[11:32] <StevenK> Yes, but Melbourne is strange.
[11:32] <ajmitch> so is dunedin :)
[12:08] <lifeless> azeem: opensync packaging
[12:09] <lifeless> azeem: I've an ITP ready to file ..
[12:10] <azeem> lifeless: ajmitch said he was interested as well
[12:10] <azeem> I have enough to do already, so please go forward :)
[12:12] <lifeless> ;)
[12:12] <lifeless> I've emailed the guy who did the interim package
[12:12] <lifeless> but more important:
[12:12] <lifeless> how to split it:
[12:13] <lifeless> I am thinking of:
[12:13] <lifeless> opensync + opensync-dev
[12:13] <lifeless> one package per plugin
[12:13] <lifeless> multisync
[12:13] <lifeless> I'm proposing to maintain opensync & opensync-dev in debian, and perhaps one or two of the plugins (i.e. the python one)
[12:14] <sivang> hey lifeless :)
[12:15] <lifeless> hey sivang
[12:15] <lifeless> sivang: did you see the interfaceverfication paper/draft ?
[12:16] <sivang> lifeless: I have started reading it, but then had to get to something else. actually now that you have reminded me of it - I will go finish reading it.
[12:17] <azeem> lifeless: multisync is still its own project/source package, right?
[12:18] <azeem> there is also a KDE thingy now, which seems to get hypde
[12:18] <azeem> hyped
[12:25] <lifeless> azeem: yes
[12:25] <lifeless> the kde thing is a kde specific ui, like multisync is just ui now
[12:25] <azeem> ok
[12:25] <azeem> the question will be what to do with multisync in Debian
[12:26] <lifeless> right
[12:26] <lifeless> I don't particularly 'get' X build deps etc
[12:26] <lifeless> so I don't want to package multisync ;)
[12:27] <lifeless> I figure if I get the engine packaging right, you can drop in a new multisync anytime.
[12:27] <azeem> I mean, it is also a social problem, because the maintainer is MIA.  And whether to just have multisync-0.9x supersede 0.8x with the same source package, or have a new source package
[12:27] <azeem> ok, I'll think of that
[12:35] <sivang> Marks keynote is quite interesting.
[12:37] <sivang> hehe, humor is more important then trademarks :)
[12:37] <raphink> Currently, the playback feature of Google Video isn't available in your country.
[12:37] <raphink>  :( :(
[12:37] <sivang> raphink: where are you in?
[12:38] <raphink> what's wrong with my country ? :(
[12:38] <raphink> France
[12:38] <raphink> !
[12:38] <raphink> it's not really like I'm in the middle of nowhere ;)
[12:38] <sivang> no idea, I hadn't a clue this google video has anything to do with where you are in
[12:39] <raphink> hehe
[12:39] <zyga> hey guys
[12:39] <raphink> We hope to make this feature available more widely in the future, and we really appreciate your patience.
[12:39] <zyga> anyone happens to have the whole dapper repo around?
[12:39] <raphink> pff
[12:39] <raphink> what do you mean zyga ?
[12:39] <sivang> zyga: I once prepared one, it took about a day to get it all on disk
[12:40] <zyga> raphink: each .deb from dapper
[12:40] <raphink> ok
[12:40] <raphink> :)
[12:40] <zyga> (like someone with ro access to archive.ubuntu.com maybe?)
[12:40] <raphink> what for zyga ?
[12:41] <zyga> raphink: running three python scripts that extract data for command-not-found
[12:41] <zyga> one scans for +x files, other scans for symlinks and the last reads update-alternatives in postinst
[12:43] <raphink> what do you use that for zyga ?
[12:43] <zyga> raphink: for the command-not-found specs
[12:43] <zyga> raphink: www.suxx.pl/blog (latest post)
[12:44] <raphink> so this is a tool to apply to scripts to check if it might generate `command not found' ?
[12:44] <zyga> no no
[12:44] <zyga> it's a tool that gathers all commands to build a database
[12:45] <raphink> hmm
[12:45] <raphink> and works as a deamon on the command prompt
[12:45] <zyga> so that when you ask to run foo and foo is not around bash will tell you 'ah, foo isn't here but you can install it by typing apt-get install blah'
[12:45] <raphink> to check what is typed, grep it and check if the app does exist or not
[12:45] <zyga> no :)
[12:45] <raphink> so if it doesn't, it explains how to install it
[12:45] <raphink> right?
[12:45] <raphink> lol
[12:45] <zyga> it is using bash's command_not_found hook
[12:45] <raphink> ok
[12:46] <raphink> but it must be a deamon, no?
[12:46] <zyga> a deamon would smell like a keylogger ;] 
[12:46] <zyga> no, it's only executed when a command is not found
[12:46] <zyga> it's pretty fast
[12:46] <raphink> hmm ok
[12:46] <raphink> :)
[12:46] <zyga> so when I type sl instead of ls it tells me I can install sl ... :)
[12:46] <raphink> so you have to hack the command-no-fond bash sub
[12:47] <zyga> actually we've hacked bash to support that (or mvo did, I just made minor adjustmennt)
[12:47] <zyga> I wrote a program that knows what to suggest
[12:47] <zyga> and a set of data extractors
[12:47] <raphink> good :)
[12:47] <zyga> but right now I need to run all scripts over again
[12:47] <raphink> you'll need a big database to support all commands in Debian-like systems
[12:47] <zyga> especially the third script, the one that reads alternatives
[12:47] <zyga> nah
[12:47] <raphink> mhm
[12:48] <zyga> <0.5M of plain text
[12:48] <zyga> about 4 when in dbm format
[12:48] <raphink> ok :)
[12:48] <raphink> well it's still a big work ;)
[12:48] <zyga> how so?
[12:48] <zyga> It's automated
[12:48] <raphink> oh ok :)
[12:48] <zyga> all I need is a person with all the debs
[12:48] <raphink> well I was just seeing about the notepad one
[12:48] <raphink> and wonderinf how this can be automated ;)
[12:48] <zyga> that was an example of suggestions
[12:48] <lifeless> sivang: I've updated that document http://people.ubuntu.com/~robertc/interfaceverification.txt
[12:48] <raphink> ok
[12:48] <zyga> suggestions are of cours manual :)
[12:49] <raphink> sure
[12:49] <raphink> can't you get the whole list of packages from apt-get?
[12:49] <raphink> if it's just the whole list that you want
[12:50] <raphink> or on packages.ubuntu.com maybe
[12:50] <zyga> no I cannot
[12:50] <zyga> I need to scan each package
[12:50] <raphink> ok
[12:50] <raphink> what do you need to scan in packages?
[12:51] <sivang> lifeless: ah ok, then I'm to it as soon as I finish the video. Thanks for the notification.
[12:51] <zyga> raphink: symlinks, +x files and postinst scripts
[12:52] <zyga> no it cannot :)
[12:52] <raphink> hehe
[12:52] <raphink> you might try to contact the maintainer of an ubuntu mirror
[12:53] <raphink> see if he's willing to run your scripts
[12:53] <raphink> sivang: yes I noted it too. Rainy sunday :(
[12:53] <zyga> raphink: I'll wait till monday, mvo has that access :)
[12:53] <sivang> raphink: here is sunny and hot :)
[12:53] <raphink> good for you sivang :D
[12:54] <sivang> raphink: actually, if this continues that way - I suspect we're in for some drout
[12:54] <raphink> :s
[01:01] <sivang> lifeless: btw, I'm curious - why did you metnion db2 as an example ? :)
[01:14] <lifeless> big database :)
[01:19] <sivang> lifeless: right, and ___SLOW___ mostly on "domestic" hardware :)
[01:19] <slomo> hi everybody :)
[01:20] <sivang> hey slomo , 'sup?
[01:23] <mbreit> hi guys
[01:23] <lifeless> sivang: erm
[01:23] <lifeless> sivang: *any* disk based db is slow
[01:23] <slomo> hi sivang, mbreit
[01:23] <lifeless> relative to memory access
[01:24] <sivang> lifeless: true, but comparing db2 that's not natively running on the disk (e.g. has its own partition) and other FOSS db's in the same approach, the latter mostly wins over my setup here.
[01:26] <herve> hello
[01:27] <sivang> lifeless: suprisingly enough, in order to get the same redundency you get out of ext3 , in IBM's AIX is approx two times slower compared to ext3.
[01:30] <lifeless> sivang: the point is to not compare apples to apples
[01:30] <lifeless> but to check that an apple and an orange are both fruit
[01:30] <lifeless> and then use the cheaper fruit
[01:30] <lifeless> the lp test suite for instance
[01:31] <lifeless> takes 30+ minutes to run
[01:31] <lifeless> nearly 6 minutes of that is in python
[01:31] <lifeless> the rest is outside python - i.e. postgresql
[01:31] <lifeless> 6 minutes is not great, but we can work on that. 30 minutes is terrible.
[01:47] <StevenK> lifeless: Heh, I love that. "but to check that an apple and an orange are both fruit"
[01:58] <lifeless> StevenK: thanks
[01:58] <lifeless> ... but did it make sense ?
[02:03] <\sh> much better then "that a tomatoe and a potatoe are both fruits" is much better...and makes more sense...but it's not obvious, because many people are thinking, that a tomatoe and a potatoe are vegetables...which are not
[02:04] <\sh> oh well...\sh work on your grammar...and think straight
[02:06] <\sh> sivang: quite a problem this morning..we came back this morning around 1 or so from the "Essener Linux Tage" see planet :)
[02:07] <sivang> \sh: ah, well - good for you :) I wish I had gone to a linux event on my weekend :)
[02:08] <\sh> sivang: was quite ok...gentoo and ubuntu were sitting together
[02:08] <sivang> \sh: hehe, so I take it you enjoyed yourself
[02:08] <\sh> I met some interesting people there...
[02:09] <sivang> \sh: like whom?
[02:09] <\sh> sivang: well 1/4 of the german ubuntu-dev team were enjoying
[02:10] <\sh> one guy from credative, a linux company here in my area..doing some goverment linux stuff
[02:10] <sivang> Chris Halls?
[02:10] <\sh> another company who are delivering small linux clients ... via chipset etc.
[02:10] <sivang> cool
[02:10] <azeem> Chris is in the .uk, I thought
[02:11] <sivang> ah right
[02:11] <sivang> I forgot
[02:11] <sivang> azeem: I think he is also related to credative no?
[02:11] <azeem> sivang: yeah, he runs the .uk branch
[02:13] <\sh> so...another coffee from my new ubuntu coffee mug :)
[02:14] <sivang> so many linux events in germany, I wish I could visit only quarter of them :)
[02:17] <\sh> sivang: most of them are community work...LWE or Linuxtag is more professional
[02:17] <sivang> \sh: so Essener Linux Tage is also community?
[02:19] <\sh> sivang: looked like :) but for the first time quite prof. but not many projects, ubuntu, gentoo, debian, skolinux, gnome and some other lugs
[02:20] <\sh> moins StevenK
[02:40] <StevenK> \sh: Can you request a sync of pgadmin3. I've checked the _merged.debdiff which is just debian/changelog stuff, and it builds, installs and works fine in a dapper chroot.
[02:41] <\sh> StevenK: did they change the build-dep from libwxgtk-2.5 to 2.6?
[02:42] <\sh> ah I see now.....yes
[02:42] <StevenK> Yup. I checked that bit.
[02:42] <StevenK> \sh: Danke
[02:43] <\sh> StevenK: wow..Bitte Schoen :)
[02:44] <StevenK> Not so much. It's the only word I know. :-)
[02:44] <\sh> StevenK: bitte schoen is something like "You're Welcome"
[02:44] <StevenK> \sh: Ah.
[02:45] <spacey> schoen?
[02:45] <spacey> :P
[02:45] <spacey> schn
[02:45] <spacey> i hope:)
[02:46] <spacey> no?
[02:46] <tseng> sch?n is hard to type
[02:46] <spacey> hmm
[02:46] <tseng> so is double s
[02:47] <\sh> well...my uk keyboard doesn't have umlauts :)
[02:47] <spacey> true:)
[02:47] <spacey> but schoen means shoe in dutch :P just looks wierd:P
[02:47] <tseng> my uk keyboard is in en_US :)
[02:47] <StevenK> Hrm. irssi in screen in Gnome terminal doesn't like the UTF-8 that is flying around.
[02:48] <tseng> you have to enable utf in screen and irssi
[02:49] <StevenK> Help? :-)
[02:51] <StevenK> Right. Detached and added -U to screen.
[02:51] <tseng> http://jerakeen.org/blog/2005/06/23/screen-irssi-utf8
[02:52] <StevenK> I think I've sorted out screen. man irssi didn't help.
[02:52] <tseng> either restart screen with -U
[02:52] <tseng> or .ctrl-a:utf8 on. on your irc window
[02:52] <tseng> first comment
[02:52] <StevenK> Blah. irssi doesn't like term_type
[02:53] <StevenK> Right. Can someone throw utf-8 at the channel?
[02:56] <\sh> utf-8
[02:56] <\sh> ,)
[02:58] <slomo> StevenK: 
[03:00] <StevenK> Awww. It still doesn't work.
[03:00] <StevenK> Ah, well. Off to bed for me.
[03:00] <Yagisan> StevenK: 
[03:01] <Yagisan> ah - to late. /me wonders why his connections has serious lag tonight
[03:04] <StevenK> Yagisan: I saw it, but it didn't work.
[05:04] <bmonty> good morning!
[05:07] <slomo> hi bmonty :)
[05:07] <bmonty> hey slomo
[05:09] <\sh> re
[05:10] <bmonty> would you guys mind taking a look at something I have been working on?
[05:11] <bmonty> I have a bazaar archive at: http://www.montynet.org/bzr/ubuntu-spy
[05:12] <slomo> what does it do? ;)
[05:12] <tseng> 403
[05:13] <bmonty> fixed it, sorry
[05:14] <bmonty> it grabs a list of ubuntu mirrors and then you can test them to find the fastest one
[05:14] <bmonty> eventually it will write your sources.list for you, but I don't have that working yet
[05:16] <\sh> moins ogra
[05:16] <ogra> *yawn*
[05:17] <\sh> how are u testing ?
[05:17] <ogra> \sh, thanks for the pics :)
[05:17] <\sh> ogra: u found it on my gallery?
[05:17] <ogra> sure
[05:17] <ogra> already imported in my f-spot :)
[05:17] <sivang> hey ogra
[05:17] <sivang> ogra: how's stuff? :)
[05:18] <ogra> tired
[05:18] <sivang> ogra: working hard on edubuntu ?
[05:18] <\sh> ogra: and btw...I owe me one bottle of bacardi gold :)
[05:18] <\sh> ogra: http://www.python.org/doc/2.4.2/lib/module-xml.parsers.expat.html
[05:18] <\sh> s/I/you/
[05:18] <ogra> hmm, indeed :)
[05:18] <\sh> heheh
[05:19] <sivang> \sh: what did you made a bet about?
[05:19] <ogra> if xml was in the python std lib
[05:19] <\sh> 13.5 xml.parsers.expat -- Fast XML parsing using Expat
[05:19] <\sh> 
[05:19] <\sh> New in version 2.0.
[05:20] <sivang> ogra: but that's what "batteries included" is all about :)
[05:20] <\sh> waiting now for my food
[05:20] <\sh> bmonty: there is a stop button missing :)
[05:21] <ogra> edubuntu is on slashdot :)
[05:21] <bmonty> yeah, and there isn't any error checking yet :)
[05:21] <\sh> ogra: woot?
[05:21] <ogra> yup, yesterday ...
[05:21] <ogra> nearly off the frontpage again
[05:22] <\sh> yeah...have it
[05:22] <\sh> do u see an increase of downloads? :)
[05:24] <ogra> dunno, i have no stats handy
[05:24] <bmonty> \sh: do you think it will be a usefull tool, ie is it worth finishing?
[05:24] <sivang> bmonty: very cool
[05:24] <\sh> bmonty: sure :)
[05:24] <sivang> bmonty: I would use. I usually have troulbe finding a fast enough archive to get from, as my ISP has all sorts of routing problems.
[05:25] <bmonty> working on it is making me a python fan :)
[05:27] <bmonty> sivang: I was thinking there could be a CLI for it that could run from a cron job and then pop up something on the notification bar if it found a faster mirror
[05:45] <herve> see you
[06:24] <\sh> oh man
[06:25] <slomo> ?
[06:25] <\sh> ogra: someone gave 2 packets of shipcds to the gentoo guys..with the statement: "We have to get rid of them, because we don't need them anymore"
[06:26] <ogra> and, do you think they'll convert now that they have free CDs ?
[06:26] <ogra> :)
[06:27] <\sh> ogra: no..they threw most of them away
[06:27] <ogra> bah
[06:28] <slomo> blasphemers
[06:28] <\sh> ogra: well...I'll try to convince of the guys to send the rest of the cds to a school
[06:34] <\sh> ogra: looks like this "manga youngster" was it
[07:36] <siretart> crimsun: All hail the udev New World Order *g*
[08:30] <seth_k> How to handle when: 1) Ubuntu and Debian have both made changes to a package 2) we don't want the Ubuntu changes anymore, but we need to make additional changes to the Debian package before it will run on Ubuntu
[08:31] <seth_k> Do you just take the Debian package, make changes and add ubuntu1, and destroy the old Ubuntu changelog etc.?
[08:56] <siretart> seth_k|away: no. in this case we request to sync the debian package, overriding ubuntu changes
[08:56] <seth_k|away> siretart, but the debian package will not work OOB
[08:56] <seth_k|away> it then needs additional changes to work
[09:01] <siretart> seth_k|away: then i didn't get your question
[09:02] <crimsun> 1) then it needs a merge; 2) we don't destroy changelogs
[09:03] <seth_k|away> Ok, sorry ;)... package zsnes in Ubuntu is 1.400-1ubuntu1... in Debian is 1.420-0.1... we cannot sync directly from Debian b/c the build-deps need to be changed, but all the other Debian changes are OK and the Ubuntu changes are no longer needed except for the build-deps change
[09:03] <seth_k|away> crimsun, but it wasn't on the MoM list which is why I was confused
[09:04] <crimsun> it's a multiverse package
[09:04] <seth_k|away> ah, seen
[09:04] <crimsun> in any case, you'd merge it
[09:26] <ajmitch> morning
[09:26] <siretart> seth_k|away: ah, now I see
[09:27] <siretart> seth_k|away: please file a malone bug, attach a debdiff to it, and let me know the bugnr
[09:28] <seth_k|away> siretart, debdiff between debian's package and the changes needed for Ubuntu? Or do I need to do a wacky merge first?
[09:29] <crimsun> yes, that sort of debdiff
[09:29] <crimsun> 'morning, ajmitch
[09:30] <siretart> seth_k|away: against the latest debian package please.
[09:30] <seth_k|away> cheers siretart, will do right away. (thanks crimsun)
[09:34] <lifeless> morning
[09:34] <crimsun> 'morning
[09:34] <ajmitch> hi lifeless
[09:35] <siretart> morning lifeless, hi ajmitch!
[09:36] <ajmitch> siretart: how's your weekend been? :)
[09:36] <siretart> ajmitch: oh, okay
[09:36] <siretart> ajmitch: have been struggeling a bit with an xbox
[09:36] <ajmitch> ah.. :)
[09:37] <siretart> done a few merges.. was okay
[09:37] <siretart> ajmitch: how was your weekend?
[09:39] <ajmitch> fairly quiet
[09:39] <seth_k|away> siretart, here's the bug: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/zsnes/+bug/5367
[09:39] <Ubugtu> Malone bug #5367: zsnes: merge new debian version In: zsnes (Ubuntu), Severity: Normal, Assigned to: Nobody, Status: New https://launchpad.net/bugs/5367
[09:40] <ajmitch> I went away, visited my parents
[09:40] <seth_k|away> back to microbiology ;)
[09:40] <siretart> seth_k|away: yes, looks fine.. testing it now
[09:40] <seth_k|away> thanks siretart :) you're the best
[09:41] <ajmitch> looks reasonable
[09:41] <ajmitch> looks like scummvm built while I was away
[09:41] <ajmitch> I guess I just have to spend a few hours testing it ;)
[09:42] <siretart> hrhr
[09:42] <crimsun> just as a heads-up, I need to tweak the timing for wpasupplicant since the new placement in if-pre-up.d is bound to have high variance across different chipsets and APs
[09:42] <siretart> ajmitch: I recommend the game 'the dig'
[09:43] <crimsun> so if the default conf doesn't work, please file a bug on Malone, thanks
[09:43] <ajmitch> siretart: it works with scummvm?
[09:43] <ajmitch> afaik there's just 2 that are packaged in universe
[09:44] <siretart> ajmitch: it does
[09:44] <siretart> ajmitch: but it is a commercial lucas arts game
[09:45] <ajmitch> ah
[09:45] <ajmitch> which I don't have :)
[09:48] <siretart> seth_k|away: ftbfs on amd64
[09:48] <seth_k|away> siretart, it is i386 only as noted in the package
[09:48] <seth_k|away> siretart, a large portion is written in i386 assembly
[09:49] <siretart> seth_k|away: oh, sorry
[09:49] <siretart> you're right. but the message is funny:
[09:50] <siretart> seth_k|away: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/5391
[09:51] <Treenaks> 3
[09:51] <Treenaks> oops
[09:52] <siretart> no such file or directory
[09:52] <ajmitch> :)
[09:53] <seth_k|away> where are you seeing a no such file / directory error? The one I see is error: CPU you selected does not support x86-64 instruction set
[09:53] <seth_k|away> which would be b/c it's i386 assembly, siretart
[09:54] <siretart> b/c?
[09:54] <StevenK__> because
[09:55] <siretart> ah
[09:55] <seth_k|away> sorry
[09:55] <seth_k> I guess I'm not really away :)
[09:55] <siretart> the errormessage is funny, though: chips/dsp1emu.c:1: error: CPU you selected does not support x86-64 instruction set
[09:55] <StevenK> ajmitch: http://wedontsleep.org/~steven/moin_1.3.5-1ubuntu1.debdiff
[09:55] <ajmitch> how big?
[09:55] <StevenK> siretart: Then it's a #error in the .c file
[09:56] <StevenK> ajmitch: Eight Meg
[09:56] <seth_k> siretart, yeah, b/c it's a funny program :) it's direct CPU assembly, not C++
[09:56] <StevenK> It's a monster.
[09:56] <siretart> jupp
[09:56] <ajmitch> ouch
[09:56] <ajmitch> StevenK: slow upstream there?
[09:56] <seth_k> Merge the current debian/rules file with the Ubuntu one to make a hideous monster!" :D
[09:56] <seth_k> gogo monsters
[09:57] <ajmitch> morning jmg
[09:58] <siretart> seth_k: you should get an email from katie in 2 mins
[09:58] <StevenK> seth_k: I couldn't help it. :-)
[09:58] <seth_k> ok
[09:58] <seth_k> StevenK, we all need a little humour to help us through 8MB patches :D
[09:58] <StevenK> ajmitch: I have no idea. I suspect the translations should be thrown to the Debian BTS, at which point we stop caring, and catch up at Dapper+1.
[10:01] <ajmitch> StevenK: want to file a bug, please? :)
[10:01] <seth_k> siretart, oops, you misunderstood somewhere along the way. Before that debdiff is applicable, the newest package from Debian has to be synced in
[10:01] <ajmitch> since we've still got a few weeks until UVF
[10:01] <seth_k> Katie rejected the debdiff
[10:02] <StevenK> ajmitch: When I get to work. I still need to look closely at the damn patch and see if it's necessary.
[10:02] <StevenK> When is the UVF?
[10:03] <siretart> seth_k: please forward me the reject
[10:03] <ajmitch> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseSchedule
[10:03] <ajmitch> siretart: probably needs new debian upload, with -S -sa
[10:04] <siretart> ajmitch: aah. sure
[10:04] <ajmitch> s/upload/orig.tar.gz/
[10:04] <seth_k> forwarded to siretart at tauware dot de
[10:04] <siretart> I forgot the orig.tar.gz, sure thing
[10:04] <seth_k> yes, it needs the new debian orig
[10:04] <siretart> seth_k: I'll reupload
[10:04] <seth_k> ok :)
[10:04] <siretart> my bad, sorry
[10:04] <seth_k> no problem, I just appreciate you taking time to help
[10:11] <bmonty> should we start a wiki page to collect questions for ajmitch?
[10:12] <siretart> bmonty: sure, why not?
[10:13] <bmonty> siretart: I was joking :)
[10:14] <seth_k> thanks again siretart :) katie is happy now
[10:14] <ajmitch> bmonty: sure, then I'll know what to answer ;)
[10:15] <siretart> seth_k: :)
[10:22] <ajmitch> it's depressing reading the forums
[10:22] <ajmitch> people who recommend to others that they build software from CVS, with --prefix=/usr
[10:22] <seth_k> the forums are corrupt AND have bad information :P
[10:22] <ajmitch> yeah
[10:22] <siretart> :(
[10:22] <seth_k> isn't somebody talking about the forums this Tuesday at the CC
[10:22] <siretart> seth_k: I assume your question earlier has been cleared now, yes?
[10:23] <seth_k> about the censorship issues going on, and the incompetent staff
[10:23] <seth_k> siretart, yep :) all done
[10:23] <siretart> seth_k: it is a bit trickier when debian and ubuntu have orig.tar.gz of same name, but different md5sums
[10:23] <siretart> seth_k: but that wasn't the case here
[10:24] <seth_k> right, because new upstream version
[10:28] <ajmitch> StevenK: moin-1.3.5/debian/control.in.ubuntu
[10:28] <ajmitch> ?
[10:28] <ajmitch> looks interesting
[10:49] <mallox> hi..need the help please..
[10:49] <mallox> how can I install from .bin file..?
[10:50] <mallox> Im beginner..
[10:50] <bmonty> mallox: you should ask that question in #ubuntu
[10:56] <siretart> mallox: normally software is accompanied by a README. consult that or #ubuntu
[11:06] <ajmitch> hm
[11:07] <ajmitch> what is it with people that decide arbitrarily that a bug should be major, with high priority?
[11:07] <ajmitch> no wonder bugzilla needs editbugs permissions to change things :)
[11:08] <Seveas> :)
[11:08] <Seveas> http://blogs.gnome.org/view/ryanl/2005/12/04/0
[11:08] <Seveas> clusterssh but better
[11:08] <ajmitch> malone 583
[11:08] <Ubugtu> Malone bug #583: reportbug: While sending a Bug report I got several errors-messages In: reportbug (Ubuntu), Severity: Major, Assigned to: <img alt="Linked to " src="/++resource++arrowRight.gif" />, Status: NeedInfo https://launchpad.net/bugs/583
[11:08] <Seveas> I'll upload a package to REVU asap :)
[11:08] <Seveas> ah crap
[11:08] <Seveas> they changed malone again
[11:09] <ajmitch> yeah
[11:09] <ajmitch> that looks like a malone bug
[11:09] <ajmitch> not an Ubugtu bug
[11:10] <Seveas> eeeeeeeeeep
[11:10] <Seveas> bugs get assigned to bugzilla :/
[11:10] <ajmitch> screwy
[11:11] <ajmitch> when you look at +viewstatus, it's assigned to MOTU
[11:11] <mallox> asdf
[11:11] <ajmitch> reportbug is hideously broken & in main
[11:11] <mallox> hi..how can i instal .bin file?
[11:11] <mallox> thx
[11:11] <Seveas> mallox, read the README< ask in #ubuntu but NOT  in here
[11:12] <ajmitch> mallox: we've told you twice here, and in another channel, that #ubuntu is the place to ask
[11:12] <mallox> ok..sorry..
[11:13] <mallox> have a nice time
[11:13] <Seveas> ajmitch, I'm not even going to try to fix this one in Ubugtu
[11:14] <Seveas> They should just have an xmlrpc interface
[11:14] <Seveas> but anyway, time to package keyboardcast
[11:17] <Seveas> segfault is segfaulting :)
[11:17] <segfault> heh, sorry
[11:17] <segfault> :P
[11:22] <bmonty> hi minghua
[11:23] <minghua> hi bmonty
[11:26] <siretart> it has a parameter '-r' for remote signing..
[11:26] <ajmitch> siretart: if only I'd known that at UDU
[11:27] <siretart> ajmitch: :)
[11:27] <siretart> this is really really handy..
[11:28] <ajmitch> certainly
[11:34] <bmonty> for the amd64 and ia64 buildd, if it can't find debhelper that means something is messed up with the buildd, right?
[11:34] <bmonty> i'm looking at http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/b/bayonne/1.2.15-1/
[11:35] <siretart> bmonty: yes. don't worry, and wait for further build attempts
[11:36] <bmonty> thanks
[11:48] <Seveas> hmm, I never packaged something this fast
[11:48] <Seveas> My keyboard is smoking :)
[11:56] <bmonty> he still hasn't answered you
[11:56] <ajmitch> I know
[11:56] <ajmitch> I guess it's not that important after all ;)
[11:56] <ajmitch> reading the debian BTS, elmo was the one who wanted it in debian contrib
[11:57] <ajmitch> I don't feel like crossing elmo this week
[11:57] <bmonty> there was a new version of zsnes uploaded for dapper this afternoon
[11:57] <ajmitch> oh well
[11:57] <ajmitch> we can;t stall the demanding users then
[11:58] <bmonty> I'm wondering who told him to go to -devel and say that
[12:00] <ajmitch> no idea