[12:22] <thomas_> greets
[12:22] <thomas_> anyone here ?  I just installed this distro for the kids and I have some questions
[12:23] <blue-frog> ask
[12:23] <thomas_> i see that moodle is supposed to be installed by default. here do i find it ?
[12:23] <thomas_> wher do i find it ?
[12:24] <ogra> it isnt, the system is prepared for it, moodle is in universe, install it with synaptic
[12:24] <ogra> it had a bug that prevented it from entering the CD
[12:24] <ogra> (but it will enter the next release in the default install)
[12:25] <ogra> did you read http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuInstallNotes ?
[12:25] <thomas_> nope. this is my fist graphical linux. always run command only
[12:25] <thomas_> whats synaptic ?
[12:25] <ogra> its in the System->Administration menu
[12:26] <ogra> your package management
[12:26] <thomas_> ah
[12:26] <thomas_> gui to apt-get ?
[12:26] <thomas_> i want to make this as easy as posible. i want to break the kids from $MS before it's too late 
[12:28] <ogra> use synaptic, enable the universe repository and install moodle with a doubleclick (http://wiki.edubuntu.org/SynapticHowto)
[12:28] <ogra> hrm
[12:33] <jclinton> hi all
[12:33] <jclinton> how do i lock down the edubuntu desktop?
[12:51] <mparise> does anyone have a good howto on setting up thinclients?  My server is up and running
[01:02] <euthydemus> will we see a ppc version of edubuntu soon?
[01:42] <spacey> euthydemus, server or client?
[01:43] <spacey> mparise, did you check the wiki
[01:54] <mparise> spacey, i did
[01:54] <mparise> maybe i missed it
[01:55] <mparise> i've reading the wiki all afternoon though
[01:59] <spacey> hmm ok
[02:00] <spacey> you have some specific questions?
[02:00] <spacey> anyway i really have to go to sleep now,
[02:00] <spacey> goodnight
[02:00] <spacey> i'll be here tomorrow
[03:53] <mhz> hi you all
[05:26] <toothpick> What is the name of the grading software?
[06:46] <zakame> hey all
[11:01] <JaneW> could someone please reply to the slashdot thing and mention LTSp, they all seem to have missed that, and think it's *just* a different desktop package...
[11:26] <JaneW> highvoltage: PING
[11:27] <JaneW> highvoltage: since when are you on a personal e-mailing basis with Linus!? ;)
[11:32] <highvoltage> JaneW: very>>>busy/\/\/-and()distracted**PONG***
[11:32] <highvoltage> JaneW: just got your email with the bmp's (ouch!)
[11:32] <highvoltage> JaneW: not quite what we're looking for ;)
[11:33] <JaneW> highvoltage: nod, not sure what to do with that, and too busy to think about it atm...
[11:33] <highvoltage> JaneW: linus is cool, hey? i think it's nice that he want to contribute directly to edubuntu
[11:33] <JaneW> highvoltage: sure, I agree, I hope ogra likes the tool
[11:33] <highvoltage> JaneW: don't worry, i'll reply to the bmp guy tomorroe
[11:33] <highvoltage> JaneW: i think it's likely that ogra will rewrite it in python :)
[11:33] <JaneW> Linus was very self-deprecating baout the tool though ;)
[11:34] <highvoltage> i think on some level, he *wants* ogra to rewrite it in python ;)
[11:34] <highvoltage> linus said that if we had such a tool in edubuntu, he'd install it on his computer for his daughter.
[11:34] <highvoltage> now, that would be real cool, if Linus ran edubuntu.
[11:35] <ogra> huh ? 
[11:35] <ajmitch_> hehe
[11:35] <highvoltage> i'm going to push him to do that, we can get that slashdotted too ;)
[11:35] <ajmitch_> hi ogra :)
[11:36] <ogra> erm, what did i miss ? linus sent a tool to slashdot ? 
[11:37] <JaneW> highvoltage: indeed
[11:37] <highvoltage> ogra: i think i forwarded to you privately?
[11:37] <highvoltage> ogra: i'll send it again
[11:37] <JaneW> ogra: see mail from highvoltage 
[11:37] <ogra> highvoltage, you mean the tracker tool ? 
[11:37] <JaneW> re tracker tool
[11:37] <JaneW> yes
[11:37] <ogra> ah
[11:38] <ogra> LOL
[11:38] <ogra> i didnt notice at all from whom it was 
[11:38] <highvoltage> yes
[11:38] <ogra> :-D
[11:38] <highvoltage> hehe :)
[11:38] <highvoltage> sorry, just send it again.
[11:38] <ajmitch_> ogra: care to show it? :)
[11:38] <ogra> i have looked at the code and was just impressed by the cleaness :)
[11:38] <JaneW> heh
[11:38] <JaneW> ogra: good to hear it
[11:39] <ogra> i'm thinking about how to integrate it into s-c-p
[11:39] <ajmitch_> forward it to your boss ;)
[11:39] <highvoltage> does RMS have kids? <grin>
[11:39] <ogra> so we can show the data directly aside the userlist :)
[11:39] <JaneW> ogra: good idea
[11:40] <JaneW> highvoltage: I like the way you think...
[11:40] <ogra> ok, prioritized now *g*
[11:40] <JaneW> heh
[11:40] <ajmitch_> highvoltage: RMS? can you imagine what his kids would turn out like?
[11:40] <highvoltage> ogra: thank you <bug grin>
[11:40] <highvoltage> erm... big grin :)
[11:40] <ogra> hehe
[11:40] <JaneW> picture the edubuntu packaging 'Edubuntu - as used by Linus Torvald's children'
[11:40] <highvoltage> ajmitch_: they'll be born with beards
[11:41] <ajmitch_> I appreciate many of RMS' views, but he's still a nutter
[11:41] <highvoltage> JaneW: lol!
[11:41] <highvoltage> RMS is cool. i support him 100%
[11:41] <ajmitch_> highvoltage: sure, but he's still nuts ;)
[11:41] <highvoltage> ajmitch_: so am i, and ~ 8 billion other people ;)
[11:44] <ogra> http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/edubuntu/tracker.tar.gz
[11:44] <ogra> for the intrested ones ^^^
[11:45] <JaneW> highvoltage: 8 Billion?
[11:45] <juliux> ogra, morning
[11:45] <ogra> moin juliux 
[11:45] <juliux> ogra, in the next days markus krger will contact you, he will hack on the ltspmanager
[11:45] <ogra> yay
[11:46] <juliux> ogra, in which language is the ltspmanager written?
[11:46] <ogra> the worst part (dhcp handling) parsing the lts.conf should be straight forward
[11:46] <JaneW> highvoltage:  According to estimates published by the United States Census Bureau, the world population in June 2005 was ~6,450,000,000
[11:46] <ogra> python
[11:46] <JaneW> highvoltage: so don't exagerate :P
[11:46] <ogra> juliux, all tools i write from scratch are python/gtk
[11:46] <juliux> ogra, ok
[11:46] <juliux> ogra, i know there some gnome.
[11:46] <juliux> gnome-de people who have a lot of time
[11:47] <JaneW> highvoltage: unless you are counting the ppl with multiple personalities ;)
[11:47] <juliux> ogra, sorry i have to go to university, i have a examen
[11:47] <ogra> we should also find some python-qt people to hack up a kde version ... there is some community interest for a kedubuntu
[11:47] <highvoltage> JaneW: ok ;)
[11:47] <ogra> juliux, good luck
[11:48] <juliux> ogra, thanks
[01:37] <Xamusk> anyone here used ubuntu as an ltsp server/client?
[01:38] <ogra_> Xamusk: nearly everyone does .... edubuntu is built around it ;)
[01:38] <Xamusk> good, then maybe someone can help me :)
[01:38] <ogra_> ask away
[01:39] <Xamusk> although I'm using ubuntu
[01:39] <ogra_> the implementation is the same
[01:40] <Xamusk> in client boot-time, something is renaming my xorg.conf to xorg.conf.YYYYMMDDHHmm, and replacing it with another xorg.conf... it looks like it's ignoring lts.conf, so my mouse won't work (the xorg.conf that appears is configured with a PS2 mouse)
[01:40] <zakame> heya all :)
[01:41] <ogra> Xamusk, do you use a ps2 mouse ? 
[01:41] <ogra> some people have issues with the module not being loaded
[01:43] <Xamusk> ogra, in the server, but a serial mouse in the client... I've modified the client /etc/modules to include sermouse (and it loads, as seen on lsmod)
[01:43] <Xamusk> however, in one of the messages in boot-time, it says something like "Loading /dev/psaux common for all mice"
[01:43] <ogra> hmm, serial mice are a small problem we still have to solve ... the xorg setup is based on autodetection on boot of the thin client (as you noted already) 
[01:44] <Xamusk> yeah
[01:44] <ogra> the lts.conf doesnt support all classic ltsp setiings yet
[01:44] <Xamusk> and mdetect somehow detects both /dev/psaux and /dev/ttyS0, but gives psaux priority
[01:44] <ogra> http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuLtsConfParams
[01:44] <ogra> see there
[01:45] <Xamusk> ogra, http://pastebin.com/449460 this is my lts.conf
[01:45] <Xamusk> as you can see, I've tried _many_ ways to get the mouse pointed to /dev/ttyS0
[01:46] <ogra> yup, but the ltsp implementation doesnt read it yet
[01:47] <Xamusk> ah, so it's a ltsp problem... :-(
[01:47] <Xamusk> is it ubuntu-specific or generic to all ltsp implementations?
[01:47] <ogra> its an age problem ;) our ltsp in breezy is very young ... there is a patch ...
[01:47] <ogra> its solved (untested) in dapper
[01:48] <ogra> let me look if i can find it in my bzr branch
[01:51] <Xamusk> impelemtation...?
[01:58] <ogra> hah, got it
[01:58] <ogra> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/5418
[01:59] <ogra> add the lines with the + in front to /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/init.d/ltsp-client-setup
[02:00] <ogra> and omit the X_COLOR_DEPTH one, it wont work with breezy
[02:00] <Xamusk> ok
[02:00] <ogra> that should work ...
[02:02] <Xamusk> should I put it _after_ the "fi"?
[02:03] <Xamusk> I'm not very used to diffs and patches
[02:03] <ogra> yes, after the fi
[02:04] <Xamusk> thanks, I'll boot the client
[02:04] <ogra> yup, tra it :)
[02:04] <ogra> *try
[02:10] <Xamusk> didn't work
[02:11] <ogra> can you log in on the client at the console ? 
[02:11] <Xamusk> ogra, yes
[02:11] <ogra> whats in your xorg.conf ? 
[02:11] <ogra> didnt it catch up the setting ? 
[02:12] <Xamusk> the mouse is pointing to /dev/input/mice
[02:12] <ogra> hrm ....
[02:12] <Xamusk> nope
[02:13] <ogra> can you paster the /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/init.d/ltsp-client-setup from the server ? 
[02:14] <Xamusk> yes
[02:15] <Xamusk> http://pastebin.com/449501
[02:16] <Xamusk> in boot, looks like the lines gave me six lines of output, 3 sets of 2 lines saying "0 value set \n 0 true"
[02:17] <Xamusk> the additions are in lines 123-126
[02:18] <ogra> hmm ...
[02:19] <ogra> the patch looks good ...
[02:19] <ogra> try to wipe the lts.conf and leave only the options you just added (plus the SERVER if its not the one you boot from)
[02:19] <ogra> and only the DEFAULT section
[02:20] <ogra> USE_XFS, LOCAL_APPS and X_MOUSE_RESOLUTION isnt supported and XSERVER is auto by default anyway
[02:21] <ogra> probably you must use "" around Y for X_MOUSE_EMULATE3BTN too
[02:22] <ogra> the getltsconf is very strict about the format afaik
[02:22] <Xamusk> hmmm
[02:22] <Xamusk> I didn't use because the examples I found didn't use too, but if you're saying that ubuntu isn't using the latest version of ltsp, then that could not apply
[02:23] <Xamusk> ok, booting again
[02:23] <Yagisan> evening all
[02:24] <ogra> Xamusk, ubuntu *is* the latest version of ltsp ... its newer than the one from ltsp.org ;) 
[02:24] <ogra> thats why it doesnt support all options yet ;)
[02:24] <Yagisan> heh
[02:25] <Yagisan> docs written first ogra ? then the new implantation started :)
[02:28] <Xamusk> o_O
[02:28] <Xamusk> brb
[02:29] <Xamusk> strange
[02:30] <Xamusk> it says it couldn't find sermouse.ko (that I specified in lts.conf)
[02:30] <Yagisan> brb .oO(/me wonders why both his kids are night owls, and have chosen this exact moment to call for attention)
[02:30] <ogra> Xamusk, show me your new lts.conf
[02:33] <Xamusk> ogra, http://pastebin.com/449515
[02:33] <ogra> i'm pretty sure you need to omit the .ko ending btw
[02:33] <ogra> drop the s41 and s4 sections too... doesnt look like you'll need them ...
[02:34] <jsgotangco> hi guys
[02:34] <ogra> hey jsgotangco 
[02:34] <Xamusk> ogra, well... I think it doesn't matter that much, as the sermouse module is being loaded, according to lsmod
[02:34] <jsgotangco> hey ogra how are you?
[02:34] <ogra> jsgotangco, fine ...
[02:34] <ogra> jsgotangco, linus made his first contribution to edubuntu on the weekend ;) 
[02:35] <Xamusk> huh, I forgot that
[02:35] <ogra> so he can use it for his daughter
[02:35] <jsgotangco> oh? what did he do?
[02:36] <ogra> a little c tool that logs out a specified user after a certain amount of time
[02:37] <ogra> i'm about to write a pygtk gui for it and a little panel applet that pops into the notification area 
[02:37] <jsgotangco> wow
[02:38] <jsgotangco> so he actually installed it that's awesome....
[02:39] <ogra> JaneW already asked for user feedback from hime ;)
[02:39] <ogra> -e
[02:40] <jsgotangco> wonder if he's subscribed to the list
[02:40] <jsgotangco> i got in contact with the release manager of firefox
[02:40] <jsgotangco> very energetic guy
[02:42] <ogra> he isnt, i'd have noticed that :)
[02:42] <jsgotangco> ahhh
[02:42] <jsgotangco> it would be nice to have him on the next edubuntu summit =)
[02:42] <ogra> but i didnt notice the tool was from him, so i'm probably to blind ...
[02:43] <ogra> highvoltage forwarded linus mail to me ... and i just looked suspicious over the code ... i realized that is was from linus when he told me today and i looked at it again *g*
[02:44] <jsgotangco> heh
[02:44] <ogra> i was already impressed by the cleaness of the code :)
[02:44] <jsgotangco> congratulations ogra, you're making tsunamis not waves already =)
[02:45] <ogra> hehe ....
[02:45] <ogra> yes, i'm pretty proud about that ...
[02:45] <jsgotangco> yes, you should be :)
[02:45] <jsgotangco> my seoul trip was awesome as well
[02:46] <zakame> ogra: w00t
[02:47] <ogra> i had a edubuntu workshop and a talk on the weekend ... there was much interest
[02:48] <jsgotangco> ogra, it was my first time speaking in a conference with a translator...
[02:48] <jsgotangco> it was interesting...
[02:48] <jsgotangco> even our roundtable was translated real time
[02:49] <ogra> wow
[02:49] <jsgotangco> sure at the start the translators verified keywords like what is "edubuntu", "Dapper", etc..
[02:49] <zakame> wow, a la UN :)
[02:49] <ogra> hehe
[02:49] <jsgotangco> zakame, yeah with the audience in those ear thingies
[02:50] <Xamusk> ogra, no advancement so far
[02:50] <ogra> :(
[02:50] <jsgotangco> asa gave me a spool of firefox stickers heh
[02:50] <jsgotangco> and erich (xandros) gave me 3 boxes of their product
[02:50] <zakame> ooh
[02:51] <Yagisan> re
[02:52] <ogra> Xamusk, sorry i'm out of ideas ... :/
[02:53] <Xamusk> the only thing I have left is to learn sed and make a script that changes xorg.conf _after_ it's overwritten by the init scripts
[02:53] <Xamusk> os download the dapper isos
[02:53] <Xamusk> or
[02:53] <ogra> you could supply a complete xorg.conf
[02:53] <Xamusk> how? I tried but no success
[02:53] <ogra> i havent tested dapper with serial mice yet ... 
[02:53] <ogra> (i lack HW here ...)
[02:56] <Xamusk> oh, I have a lot of OLD computers... that's why I want ltsp... the computers are so old that, even having HDs, they are too slow to run OpenOffice
[02:58] <Yagisan> Xamusk: a relatively cheap hardware solution is a pci usb card if no usb, and a usb mouse
[02:58] <zakame> er is there a plan to have live cds for edubuntu? ulinskie was asking it earlier to me...
[02:58] <ogra> Xamusk, comment out the "dpkg-reconfigure -fnoninteractive -pcritical $xserver_package"
[02:59] <ogra> ... line in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/init.d/ltsp-client-setup
[02:59] <Yagisan> zakame: I was asked that too yesterday several times
[02:59] <ogra> then your xorg.conf in the chroot will be used ...
[02:59] <Yagisan> zakame: IIRC yes there are plans, but currently it doesn't fit
[03:00] <zakame> Yagisan: i see, thanks :)
[03:00] <ogra> Xamusk, but make sure th exorgconf in the chroot is right first
[03:01] <Xamusk> ogra, ok
[03:01] <Yagisan> zakame: considering how big it is, I'd suggest a live dvd (those 650MB cds are tiny)
[03:01] <ogra> normally the XF86CONFIG_FILE parameter in lts.conf should work as well
[03:02] <Xamusk> ogra, yes, it _should_
[03:02] <zakame> Yagisan: hehe, indeed... though dvds aren't common yet in my locale :/
[03:02] <ogra> but i'm not sure it applies if xorg is used ... thats rather for xfree86 setups
[03:02] <Xamusk> but it didn't when I tried...
[03:02] <Xamusk> indeed
[03:02] <ogra> did yu set it in colons ? 
[03:02] <Xamusk> yes
[03:03] <Yagisan> zakame: I wonder if it would fit on a 700MB or 800MB cd ?
[03:03] <ogra>     if [ -n "$XF86CONFIG_FILE" ] ; then
[03:03] <ogra>         # User has specified a custom config
[03:03] <ogra>         cp "$XF86CONFIG_FILE" "$xserver_config"
[03:03] <ogra> hmm, the code indicates that it should be used in any case
[03:04] <ogra> where did you store the file ? 
[03:04] <ogra> it must be in the chroot 
[03:04] <ogra> the client doesnt see the server filesystem ...
[03:04] <Xamusk> ogra, I just typed XF86CONFIG_FILE = "xorg.conf"
[03:04] <zakame> Yagisan: hm depends on what we'd like to fit in it :)
[03:04] <ogra> Xamusk, you'll need a path, relative to the chroot ...
[03:05] <Xamusk> ogra, actually I read somewhere that the path is relative to /etc/X11/ in the chroot
[03:05] <ogra> i.e. /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/my_xorg.conf becomes XF86CONFIG_FILE = "etc/my_xorg.conf"
[03:05] <ogra> err
[03:05] <ogra>  XF86CONFIG_FILE = "/etc/my_xorg.conf"
[03:06] <ogra> nope it isnt ... according to th code above
[03:06] <Xamusk> oops
[03:06] <Xamusk> I read it wrongly
[03:06] <ogra> its just a cp ... and drops all autodetection
[03:08] <Xamusk> ok, trying again
[03:08] <Xamusk> I wish I could read code that easy
[03:09] <blue-frog> ogra, following the advise you gave me after having alook at my toolbox script I am trying to correct it. One thing though I don't understand. How should conf files (smb, ldap..) should be touched pls?
[03:09] <ogra> blue-frog, not at all ...
[03:10] <ogra> all the tools you use there are packaged in ubuntu, the right way woul be to have a debconf option in the package to create at specified config
[03:11] <blue-frog> ah ty can't do it then...
[03:12] <Xamusk> what would a lot of "NETDEV WATCHDOG" messages mean... it says "transmit timed out", but in the next line it says that eth0 link is up
[03:12] <ogra> hmm, sounds like a NIC driver issue
[03:12] <Yagisan> Xamusk: tends to indocate ACPI errors
[03:12] <Xamusk> hmmm
[03:12] <Yagisan> s/indocate/indicate
[03:13] <Xamusk> acpi... don't know if a pc that old has acpi... maybe something is loading (incorrectly) the acpi drivers
[03:13] <Yagisan> Xamusk: pass "acpi=off pci=noacpi" to the kernel boot paramters for the old box
[03:14] <Yagisan> Xamusk: old boxes (like mine) often have enough acpi to make eg Win98 happy, but it is broken
[03:14] <ogra> append it in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/pxelinux.cfg/default to the kernel line
[03:15] <Xamusk> ok
[03:15] <Yagisan> ogra: can we do that on a per box config ?
[03:16] <Xamusk> Yagisan, yes
[03:16] <Xamusk> Yagisan, the pxelinux tries to load a lot of files before falling down to default
[03:16] <ogra> Yagisan, not to my knowledge ... (patched gratefully accepted indeed ;) )
[03:16] <Yagisan> Xamusk: thanks, just wanted to double check
[03:17] <Xamusk> Yagisan, when loading in the client, it says which file it's tring to get (putting the MAC in the filename may do it)
[03:19] <Xamusk> ugh... that's what happens when one try to manual-edit too much in xorg.conf
[03:19] <Xamusk> where's the xf86cfg in a case like this
[03:20] <ogra> Xamusk, just remove the line again, let it autogenerate and scp the file from the console to the server ...
[03:20] <ogra> then edit the mouse settings
[03:22] <Xamusk> ogra, hehehe... too troublesome... I'll try to tweak it again... That's just because I tried some generic options and changed some names
[03:22] <ogra> too troublesome ? i guess thats the easiest way :)
[03:25] <Xamusk> but the best part is: the correct xorg.conf is there
[03:26] <Xamusk> the problem seems to be in the Screen section... I changed the Device name in only one place
[03:28] <Xamusk> ah
[03:28] <Xamusk> 4 minutes to boot a client is the true slow part
[03:28] <Yagisan> Xamusk: 4!! I take 2~3 on my p2/233
[03:29] <Xamusk> yeah :(
[03:29] <Yagisan> Xamusk: what is your box ? (congested network ?)
[03:29] <Xamusk> it looks like there are a lot of misconfigs
[03:29] <Xamusk> not really... I think
[03:29] <Xamusk> but maybe then it is
[03:30] <Xamusk> though this box is better than the previous I was testing, that took almost 8 minutes
[03:30] <ogra> woah ...
[03:30] <ogra> thats heavy 
[03:30] <ogra> yup, mdz does the updates of the package ...
[03:30] <ogra> he had no time to inspect all my patches yet
[03:31] <ogra> should be updated during this week
[03:31] <ogra> at least he told me he would look over the patches during the week
[03:31] <Yagisan> Xamusk: Are you on a co-ax based network, or slower ? (PLIP :-P)
[03:31] <Yagisan> ogra: I though he was handing that over to you ?
[03:32] <ogra> Xamusk, its one of my main goals for dapper to get the booting donw to less than a minute ...
[03:32] <ogra> Yagisan, he can give his baby away it seems ...
[03:32] <ogra> *cant
[03:32] <Xamusk> Yagisan, on a what?
[03:32] <Xamusk> note: I'm not a pro admin
[03:33] <Yagisan> Xamusk: Co-axial cable (was that called 10base2 ? looks like tv cable)
[03:33] <ogra> do you have multiple cables you plug into a switch  ? or just one cable that runs past all te PCs ?
[03:34] <Yagisan> Xamusk: haven't used it in 7 years or so, but it was pretty slow (rather prone to rfi interference and collisions)
[03:34] <Xamusk> Yagisan, I thought those were fast (if not with a lot of sequential hosts)... but no, I'm in a plain ethernet... only don't know if the the client card is 10 or 100 mbps
[03:34] <Xamusk> ogra, hehehe... not _that_ anti-pro admin
[03:35] <Xamusk> ogra, just didn't understand the term
[03:37] <Xamusk> ogra, THANK YOU A LOT for making this work
[03:37] <ogra> i have the bootime down to 1 min in dapper currently ... but thats with this client : http://www.disklessworkstations.com/cgi-bin/web/200014.html?id=AowNeHn7
[03:37] <jsgotangco> see you guys later i still feel a bit dazed
[03:37] <ogra> ciao jsgotangco 
[03:38] <Xamusk> now I have 20 mins before lunch to see how long OO.o takes to launch
[03:38] <ogra> Xamusk, youre welcome ,i learned a lot during supporting you ;)
[03:38] <ogra> i.e. we have to revisit the serial mouse thingie ;)
[03:39] <Xamusk> I have leaned a lot too... (didn't know about the ltsp-client-setup file)
[03:40] <Xamusk> that preseed syntax looks a lot like the preseed files I had to use when I remastered a debian cd
[03:40] <ogra> yes, its the same
[03:40] <ogra> i have to find out why the mouse settings dont get respected ...
[03:40] <Xamusk> only it's a lot more powerful
[03:40] <Yagisan> ogra: If you'd like to send me one of those, I'll just get my address details for you :-P
[03:40] <ogra> but first i have to get a working X server at all ... doent work in dapper yet
[03:41] <Xamusk> ogra, as you said before, they are not implemented yet
[03:41] <ogra> Yagisan, i only have the one ... donated from jim mc quillian (the inventor of ltsp)
[03:42] <ogra> Xamusk, they should work ... thats what bothers me ... there must be a prob in xorg itself 
[03:42] <Yagisan> ogra: thought so - that's his company right ?
[03:42] <ogra> yup
[03:43] <ogra> i still have to make my list forcanonical, they will pay for another bunch, so i can test at least all the machines http://www.disklessworkstations.com offers
[03:43] <Yagisan> ogra: what you need for testing is something old and decrepit, with busted acpi and other interesting features :)
[03:44] <ogra> yes, i have a pI 133 here for etherboot testing, but havent tested yet ...
[03:44] <Yagisan> ogra: So, got any spare 486s or Pentium 1s ?
[03:44] <ogra> and another PII 233
[03:44] <ogra> no 486 anymore though ...
[03:44] <ogra> but since we say the minimum requirement is a PCI bus, i doubt i'll care for 486
[03:45] <ogra> they only had PCI in the last quater of their lifecycle
[03:46] <Xamusk> wow! 4MB!
[03:46] <Xamusk> when I had a 486 it only had a 1MB Trident
[03:46] <ogra> phew ... that gives small scrensizes :)
[03:46] <ogra> *screen
[03:47] <Xamusk> hehehe
[03:47] <Xamusk> I remember (in that time I used rwindows) that it pained in that place only to find a video driver that would get 256 colors
[03:47] <Yagisan> Xamusk: I was hunting for some voodoo 2's for the board before it broke - that would have been nice
[03:48] <Yagisan> I kept that box going for years, usb upgrades, disk upgrades
[03:48] <Xamusk> well... In my country, I haven't seen PCI-E boards yet
[03:48] <ogra> i know some brazilians using pci-e
[03:48] <ogra> but comercially in their companys ...
[03:49] <Xamusk> well... those must have been imported in quite a high price
[03:49] <Xamusk> by the way, how do you know I'm brazillian
[03:49] <Xamusk> ?
[03:50] <ogra> http://www.async.com.br/
[03:50] <ogra> your ip tells me ;)
[03:50] <Xamusk> hehehehe
[03:50] <Xamusk> thought that the second after
[04:09] <Xamusk> thank you again guys, I gotta leave now... if I have an update in my status, I'll let you know
[04:48] <Oge_> how should i mount users homedirectories, localted in win2003 dc. i want to separate linux and windows homedirectories because it's ugly when user browses own homedir from windows's "my documents" and there are .bashrc etc
[04:48] <Oge_> i mean, pam_mount or how?
[05:00] <Yagisan> night all
[05:00] <zakame> me too, gudnyt Yagisan ! :D
[05:01] <juliux> re
[05:08] <mhz> hi all
[05:09] <mhz> ogra: hi, mon. how are you doing?
[05:09] <ogra> fine, thanks ...
[05:09] <mhz> ogra: as I rm -rf my /home a couple of weeks ago, I lost my gpg stuff.
[05:10] <ogra> and you dont have a backup ? 
[05:10] <mhz> Is it just a matter of resigning the Code?
[05:10] <juliux> hi mhz 
[05:10] <ogra> its a matter of getting your new key signed again ...
[05:10] <mhz> juliux man, hi
[05:10] <mhz> ogra: okis
[05:10] <ogra> and then sign the CoC indeed
[05:11] <mhz> okis
[05:11] <mhz> ogra: juliux: i normally (the last 2 years
[05:11] <mhz> ogra: juliux: i normally (the last 2 years) use WebMail interfaces,  no local clients.
[05:11] <mhz> Any client you suggest I use?
[05:12] <juliux> mhz, evolution ?
[05:12] <mhz> (also good for GPG)
[05:12] <ogra> evolution 
[05:12] <mhz> juliux: hmm, even if I do not use GNOME?
[05:12] <mhz> I mean, would that force me to install XY MB of libraries?
[05:12] <ogra> yup
[05:12] <juliux> mhz, evolution
[05:13] <mhz> hmmm *SIGHS*
[05:13] <ogra> but eolution is surely the easiest to use ... 
[05:13] <juliux> mhz, an evolution roks
[05:13] <juliux> rocks
[05:13] <mhz> hehehe
[05:13] <ogra> you could try sylpheed or balsa ...
[05:13] <mhz> you 2 gnome people! :D
[05:13] <ogra> evo brings stuff like a calendar with it ... if you dont need that, the othe two might be an option
[05:14] <mhz> hmm, ogra of course, an AddreeBook + Calendar + ToDo stuff is nice when it's all interlinked to email :)
[05:14] <ogra> yup
[05:17] <mhz> do you know which is lighter and able to export to xml and/or .vcf?
[05:17] <mhz> dont tell me... evolution!
[05:17] <mhz> :D
[05:17] <ogra> evo can export vcs ... dunno about th eothers
[05:17] <ogra> err, vcf
[05:17] <mhz> ok.
[05:18] <juliux> ogra, what do you think about special menus for usergroups? 
[05:18] <ogra> heh, you were not in my talk ;)
[05:18] <mhz> Maybe, if I am gonna endup installing additional libs (idea I dont like), I should also try KDE
[05:19] <mhz> ogra: how did it go with your talk?
[05:19] <juliux> ogra, no
[05:19] <juliux> ogra, i have to do the booth stuff
[05:19] <juliux> ogra, what is your plan? tell me
[05:19] <ogra> juliux, in dapper +1 i want to have menu profiles depending on the selected theme (age) and the teacher shall be able to select a profile for the class
[05:20] <juliux> ogra, but isn't it better if you have that for every user?
[05:20] <ogra> nope
[05:21] <ogra> to much maintenance work 
[05:21] <mhz> indeed
[05:21] <juliux> ogra, because so you can say now he is in the 5th class he will have theme 1 and  menu 1, and 3 years laeter he is in the 8th class and he will have theme 2 and menu 2
[05:21] <ogra> have a look at dappers gcompris ... it has a nice class management interface
[05:21] <ogra> 3 years later we'll have some completely different setups ...
[05:22] <juliux> ogra, ok
[05:22] <mhz> juliux: I am wikiing an invitation work for LUG's or anyone interested in printing out and hand in to guests.
[05:22] <juliux> at first i will install dapper edubuntu
[05:22] <ogra> mhz, the talk was very good ...
[05:23] <ogra> juliux, wait until flight 2 is out ...
[05:23] <ogra> there is no dapper Cd yet
[05:23] <juliux> ogra, sure?
[05:23] <ogra> sue 
[05:23] <mhz> ogra: excellent! more fans of breezy? (not asking about the electric appliances :D)
[05:23] <juliux> ogra, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/daily/current/ ?
[05:23] <ogra> juliux, i build it, so i should know ;)
[05:24] <ogra> look at the report.html file ;)
[05:24] <ogra> it wont work
[05:24] <juliux> ok
[05:24] <ogra> this will get solved this week .... before it is solved we wont have flight 2
[05:25] <ogra> if you want to go on with testing, keep the iso and rsync it in the future ... rsyncing normally takes only 10-20 min (german DSL) instead of 2h
[05:29] <juliux> ogra, i need for a complet cd iso 6-8min
[05:29] <ogra> ah, i forgot, you have the uni :)
[05:29] <juliux> hehe
[05:46] <mhz> juliux and ogra, please see http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuInvitationArtwork . Feedback is appreciated
[06:24] <mhz> re
[06:28] <Lord_Athur> hi
[06:29] <mhz> hey Lord_Athur 
[06:29] <Lord_Athur> dime
[06:29] <mhz> voy saliendo a dejar a mi hija la jardin y vuelvo en 30-40 mins tops.
[06:30] <mhz> Lord_Athur: also, we have #edubuntu-es :D
[06:37] <johnpd> Hi all... Just installed the edubuntu on a spare server at school... how do I go about connecting the thin client after I've ran the dhcp server? Also is it possible not to use the DHCP and use one I have already. Thanks
[06:39] <ogra> if its a linux dhcp server and you can specify "filename" and "rootpath" directives then sure, i don know about win dhcp servers ...
[06:40] <ogra> johnpd, did you read http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuInstallNotes ?
[06:41] <johnpd> Yes but there is limited info there
[06:42] <johnpd> that does not answer my question about conflicting DHCP servers, or how the net card boots the system
[06:42] <ogra> thats enough to set up the default installation... inded it doesnt cover your case
[06:42] <johnpd> I'm trying an enclosed setup in an hour to just see how it looks
[06:43] <ogra> edubuntu is a one classroom release, so it covers enough for that ... the booting happens through PXE 
[06:43] <johnpd> PXE oo I know a little about that, but I couldn't find any notes that said how it worked. Thanks 
[06:43] <ogra> there are dhcp options you can set if yu run more than one server 
[06:44] <johnpd> I could do with a floppy boot process in case the bios does not support net boot, is there one available?
[06:45] <ogra> you can generate it very easy at http://rom-o-matic.net/5.4.1/
[06:45] <ogra> dont forget to check the PXE options ...
[06:45] <ogra> http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuDocumentation/BootingClientsWithoutPxe
[06:45] <ogra> ^^there is some detailed info
[06:46] <johnpd> I have yet to get to grips with the formatting of Wiki's... So used to text files
[06:46] <ogra> for your dhcpd issue, have a look at the next-server directive ... i think its also documented in the ltsp.org wiki 
[06:46] <johnpd>  next-server directive is something i've not heard of, but I'll read up on it
[06:47] <ogra> while the preferred method should always be to have only one dhcp server in your net ... 
[06:47] <ogra> it saves you maintenance work ...
[06:48] <johnpd> is it possible to not have dhcp but to just have PXE boot from LTSP and windows providing the DHCP?
[06:48] <ogra> if you have the possibility to set filename and rootpath and a range for the thin clients on your existing server, i'd always choose this option ...
[06:48] <ogra> i dont know anything about windows dhcp ...
[06:48] <johnpd> SO i could set a static range? I have one already in school I could use
[06:49] <johnpd> 10.134.139.128 onwards is static
[06:49] <ogra> anther option is to have two NICs in the server and server the thin clients separately over the second NIC (probably the easiest)
[06:50] <johnpd> I see , that could have problems later on if I wanted more than 1 room on different switches working with the system
[06:50] <ogra> the only important thing is that you can tell the clients where to get their kernel from (filename under linux) and where to mount the rootpath
[06:50] <ogra> if your win dhcp supports that, all should be fine ...
[06:51] <johnpd> Ok so if my win dhcp supports filename and rootpath then im ok.... i'd have 2 check
[06:51] <johnpd> looks like im going to go down the 1 room switch approach with 2 net cards
[06:51] <johnpd> Though in the future I'd like a site wide LTSP of edubuntu
[06:52] <ogra> cool :)
[06:52] <johnpd> Licenses cost a lot and the science department already know about Linux especially for making LaTeX stuff
[06:52] <johnpd> (this is a secondary school/college)
[06:52] <johnpd> we are in Staffordshire , England
[06:53] <ogra> that sounds really promising :)
[06:53] <johnpd> About 3 years ago I looked into LTSP
[06:53] <johnpd> but having read about Edubuntu I thought I'd go for it
[06:54] <johnpd> We have a Cisco lab which I am going to use it in, as they could use terminal to try out some of their tests on the routers via serial interface
[06:54] <ogra> it carries a completely new implementation of ltsp which ltsp.org is adopting too as their next version
[06:54] <johnpd> that's encouraging for edubuntu, they must have worked hard on ltsp
[06:55] <ogra> yes, we did ... but it still has its drawbacks that we're currently solving
[06:55] <ogra> (it boots slow, the login manager is quite ugly, no sound support yet etc)
[06:56] <johnpd> Thats a positive thing in my book, sound cards in schools only encourage music downloading
[06:56] <ogra> s/boots/777777boots the clients
[06:56] <ogra> oops ...
[06:56] <ogra> s/boots/boots the clients/
[06:56] <ogra> true ...
[06:57] <johnpd> How do you make user accounts for the thin clients?
[06:57] <ogra> but we'll have sound by default in the next release (which you can optionally disable indeed)
[06:57] <ogra> currently only on the server with the user and groups tool ...
[06:57] <johnpd> ahhh thats ok
[06:57] <ogra> we have no ldap solution yet ...
[06:57] <ogra> that will have to wait until october ...
[06:57] <johnpd> If it did Edubuntu would kick arse
[06:58] <johnpd> So thats your expected release for a beta or a full version?
[06:58] <ogra> yes, but for the next release we are only allowed to do polishing work, it will be supported for 5 years, so the new improvements have to wait for the next release
[06:59] <ogra> we release every 6 months a full version ...
[06:59] <johnpd> we could always make a startup script that mounts the users home directory?
[06:59] <ogra> dapper, the current development branch will release in april
[06:59] <ogra> sure
[06:59] <johnpd> on our windows network that would be \\server1\username$
[06:59] <ogra> dapper+1 will release in october ...
[07:00] <spacey> you can use ldap on edubuntu already ofcourse
[07:00] <spacey> but its not default
[07:00] <spacey> but if you know what your doing, its quite easy
[07:00] <spacey> at least we use it :P
[07:00] <ogra> yes, some people do, we just dont offer tools that re integrated nicely yet
[07:00] <johnpd> I guess most Edubuntu systems would be running standalone classes and no LDAP connection
[07:00] <ogra> spacey, have you heard that linus contributs to edubuntu now ? 
[07:01] <spacey> ogra, i read over it quickly but not detailed
[07:01] <spacey> what did he contribute?
[07:01] <vmarks> we have an ldap connection actually.
[07:01] <ogra> johnpd, my big target is to once be able to supply a whole school environment including municipalities ...
[07:02] <ogra> spacey, a little tool he uses to log out his daughter after 1h ... i'll package it and wrap a gui around it ... with a little timer for the notification area
[07:02] <johnpd> Thats a nice thing to know you want to get that far, as the schools have been looking all over for a system like this
[07:02] <spacey> ogra, thats cute :)
[07:03] <ogra> yup
[07:03] <johnpd> vmarks how is your system configured , i.e ebubuntu with windows dhcp?
[07:03] <spacey> did he write it in python?:P
[07:03] <ogra> nope, its c
[07:03] <spacey> ah ok :P
[07:03] <ogra> the fun stuff is, that i didnt notice that it was from him at all :p
[07:04] <ogra> i just took a glance over the text and looked at the attached tgz ...
[07:04] <ogra> and was astonished about the clean code 
[07:04] <spacey> :P
[07:04] <ogra> this morning highvoltage asked me if i got linus mail ... and i didnt get what he was talking about ...
[07:05] <ogra> until i looked again *g*
[07:05] <spacey> yeah i think i read that part 
[07:05] <spacey> quite cool :)
[07:05] <ogra> yeah
[07:05] <ogra> jane alreadys asked fro a user feedback report ;)
[07:05] <mhz_BBS> re
[07:06] <spacey> hehe
[07:06] <spacey> i'm going to cook some delicious food for my girlfriend :P see you later 
[07:06] <ogra> having that one, i doubt we have to fear lack of contributors ;)
[07:06] <ogra> have fun :)
[07:06] <spacey> next linus stops kernel dev and focus on edubuntu ;p
[07:06] <ogra> lol
[07:06] <johnpd> lol
[07:07] <ogra> hopefully not, he'd get me out of business :)
[07:07] <johnpd> or is it funny, he might just do that!
[07:07] <spacey> "i liked to colours"
[07:08] <ogra> ... and i like my job ;)
[07:08] <johnpd> Ok Ogra thanks for your help, I'm going to give it a go in a minute
[07:08] <johnpd> hopefully my knowledge of nix' comes back to me in time
[07:08] <ogra> johnpd, great ... just come back if there are questions
[07:08] <johnpd> I've got my SAMS 1981 copy of Unix unleased on the shelf
[07:09] <johnpd> ok l8rs all... thanks again
[07:11] <mhz> ogra: I would like to create some specs for EdubuntuStudyContent and I tried to use LP for that, unsucessfully. Isn't LP for that?
[07:11] <ogra> sure it is
[07:12] <mhz> hmm, I saw no "CreateSpecs" link or button :)
[07:15] <ogra> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+specs
[07:15] <ogra> there is one indeed
[07:15] <ogra> you need to assign it to the distro
[07:15] <mhz> aaahhhhhh
[07:16] <mhz> I was doing it from the Team page :( duh!
[07:23] <eniac1111> hi all
[07:24] <mhz> hi
[07:24] <_eniac_> please, help!
[07:25] <_eniac_> from where i can download driver for
[07:25] <mhz> ?
[07:25] <_eniac_> pci match64 VT video card
[07:25] <_eniac_> for windows
[07:25] <_eniac_> 95
[07:25] <ogra> no idea ...
[07:26] <mhz> _eniac_: oooops, not a single clue
[07:26] <ogra> i'd guess from ati
[07:26] <_eniac_> this is video card from 1997
[07:26] <ogra> but i doubt they support 95
[07:26] <_eniac_> oh, no!
[07:26] <ogra> 95 is long dead
[07:26] <_eniac_> this is for my teacher!
[07:26] <ogra> as 98 is
[07:27] <_eniac_> my teacher had old motherboard, processor, dvd, v-card...
[07:28] <_eniac_> and he
[07:28] <_eniac_> guived me
[07:29] <_eniac_> evdb
[07:29] <_eniac_> swrg
[07:29] <_eniac_> sy
[07:29] <_eniac_> sorry
[07:30] <_eniac_> i have no batteries forkeyboard...
[07:30] <_eniac_> and he guived me co acemble one old pc
[07:30] <_eniac_> writing machine
[07:30] <_eniac_> wint printer...
[07:31] <_eniac_> with
[07:40] <_eniac_> the parameters is: 150mhz, 40mb ram and 200 mb hdd.
[07:40] <_eniac_> super technology!
[07:40] <_eniac_> :-)
[07:41] <_eniac_> can i install ubuntu or other linux in this pc?
[07:43] <ogra> nope
[07:44] <ogra> not ubuntu ...
[07:44] <ogra> that requires more than 200MB if you want X and gui ... even with a small one ...
[07:45] <ogra> look at damn small linux but that will require a lot of manual work for egtting the printer to work etc
[07:45] <_eniac_> i foun one distro for old machines
[07:47] <_eniac_> I have found
[07:52] <_eniac_> named delilinux
[07:55] <_eniac_> http://www.delilinux.de/deli1.png
[07:57] <_eniac_> YES!!!!
[07:57] <_eniac_> The trick is, that DeLi Linux uses only "lightweight" alternative software. If you are looking for the newest KDE, GNOME or Mozilla, DeLi Linux will not make you happy. The test computer is a 486 laptop with 16 MB RAM, and all apps which comes with DeLi Linux are running smoothly.
[08:34] <johnpd> Hi again, thanks Ogra it's working now with my internal network, it's a beast!
[08:34] <johnpd> I've found a website for my dhcp windows query at http://unattended.sourceforge.net/pxe-win2k.html which tells me how to setup a linux bootstrap etc
[08:35] <ogra> cool :)
[08:35] <johnpd> I could not believe how easy it was
[08:35] <johnpd> at most of times I don't know what i'm doing
[08:36] <johnpd> hehe i just guess and i either break it or bodge it
[08:36] <ogra> heh
[08:36] <johnpd> so i read there is a bug with a timeout, but i've not noticed it
[08:36] <johnpd> timeout on the ltsp
[08:37] <ogra> yes, it should be fixed ...
[08:38] <johnpd> oh good. Well If i manage to get the windows 2k dhcp thingy working I'll post it on the wiki
[08:38] <johnpd> are there any beta bolt on guis that might help with administration?
[08:38] <ogra> that'd be very nice  :)
[08:39] <ogra> not yet ... there is something in pre alpha state i havent packaged y<et
[08:39] <ogra> http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/LTSPManager/
[08:40] <johnpd> Oh I'll have a play on a test bed with that then
[08:40] <ogra> but for normal system tasks you can use all the tools in the System menu
[08:40] <johnpd> Yeh I found the users/group part to be straight forward
[08:40] <johnpd> in unix where do you put the startup scripts for logon?
[08:41] <ogra> you could put them in /etc/skel
[08:41] <johnpd> I would like a systemwide logon map folder script
[08:42] <johnpd> I guess I should be using google for this and not asking you
[08:42] <johnpd> :)
[08:42] <johnpd> slightly lazy of me
[08:42] <ogra>  /etc/skel is fine for systemwide stuff
[08:43] <ogra> if you dont forget you did put it there :)
[08:43] <johnpd> Yeh it's gonna be fine for the shared folder stuff and printer maps
[08:44] <johnpd> Can you add software to the server LTSP and it show up on the thin clients ? I have not tested that
[08:44] <ogra> everything you dd to the server will appear on the clients 
[08:45] <johnpd> Ohh wikid
[08:45] <johnpd> so my server is like my build area...
[08:45] <bob13> is there a power pc version?
[08:45] <bob13> anyone?
[08:45] <johnpd> We have 10 macs at school, that would be interesting
[08:46] <ogra> bob13, nope
[08:46] <bob13> orga: will they come out with one?
[08:46] <ogra> bob13, not for breezy, i didnt find enough testers for the last release ...
[08:46] <bob13> to bad. A lot of schools uses apple
[08:46] <bob13> a lot of imacs
[08:46] <ogra> i just ordered a iMac to at least be able to do the install tests this time
[08:47] <johnpd> If I like edubuntu I will donate some money your way then
[08:47] <johnpd> from school funds of course
[08:47] <ogra> we discovered a heavy bug at release day, so i had to pull back the ppc version
[08:48] <bob13> ogra: so you might come out witha ppc version later. 
[08:48] <johnpd> is there a way to donate paypal money to the developers? {then I better run, I want to get back to playing}
[08:48] <ogra> no...
[08:48] <ogra> i *will*
[08:48] <ogra> not *might* ;)
[08:48] <bob13> LOL
[08:49] <ogra> johnpd, hmm, good question, i'll have to talk to my manager about that if she's here tomorrow ;)
[08:49] <bob13> ok I hope you do come out with a ppc version. I do know school here in california would love to see a ppc version
[08:49] <johnpd> you'd have thought the governments would be supporting projects like this
[08:50] <johnpd> well if you find out email me at jdooley@maryhill-high.staffs.sch.uk
[08:50] <ogra> johnpd, in fact i'm fulltime employed ubuntu developer so i dont really know, but i guess we have a possibility to donate ...
[08:50] <ogra> i will :)
[08:50] <johnpd> ok, catch you l8rs
[08:50] <johnpd> c u bob13
[08:50] <ogra> ciao :)
[08:50] <bob13> ogra: is your websites done in plone?
[08:51] <ogra> the ubuntu one ? 
[08:51] <ogra> not sure, it used to be plone ...
[08:51] <bob13> well actually all of them
[08:51] <bob13> looks like plone
[08:51] <ogra> i know we changed a bunch ...
[08:52] <ogra> but i'm not working on website stuff, so i'm not sure ...
[08:52] <bob13> ok.. cool project. I hope to see a ppc version in the future.  
[09:47] <mhz> ogra: I still try imagine what benfits will LP bring to teams we create there? Could gimme some ideas?
[09:48] <spacey> LP?
[09:48] <mhz> jelkner: hi
[09:48] <mhz> spacey: LaunchPad
[09:48] <mhz> :)
[09:48] <jelkner> and how are you mhz?
[09:49] <mhz> jelkner: very thx, Mr. Elkner
[09:49] <jelkner> i never wrote back to you about the language issue
[09:49] <mhz> indeed
[09:49] <jelkner> the reason is that edubuntu doesn't let you choose languages yet
[09:49] <jelkner> you do that in gdm
[09:49] <jelkner> and edubuntu doesn't use gdm
[09:49] <mhz> hmmmmmm?
[09:50] <jelkner> when you are loggin in, you select the language you want
[09:50] <mhz> oh, you wanted to do that per client basis?
[09:50] <jelkner> absolutely
[09:50] <mhz> duh!
[09:50] <jelkner> that's the point
[09:50] <jelkner> we are in a multi-lingual environment
[09:50] <jelkner> i want each user to pick their own language
[09:50] <mhz> I never got that Part! sorry. However, the server I use is meant for spanish speakersonly, so I did change it.
[09:50] <jelkner> anyway, oliver said it will be fixed by dapper
[09:51] <mhz> jelkner: yup, dapper
[09:51] <jelkner> i have a question for anyone here
[09:51] <mhz> I aplologyze for missing that essential part
[09:51] <jelkner> i'm trying to do a new ubuntu install on a laptop
[09:51] <jelkner> mhz: no, thanks for the info, it works great on stand alone machines
[09:51] <jelkner> and now i know what to do for dapper
[09:52] <mhz> hehe, yeah
[09:52] <jelkner> anyway, i'm installing on a toshiba satellite m45-s269
[09:52] <mhz> okis
[09:52] <jelkner> it installs fine
[09:52] <mhz> cool
[09:52] <jelkner> but i can't get networking to work
[09:52] <jelkner> at all
[09:52] <mhz> (in my laptops, too)
[09:52] <mhz> ?
[09:52] <mhz> sure?
[09:52] <jelkner> the devices are recognized
[09:53] <jelkner> on board wireless and nic
[09:53] <jelkner> but when i try to configure them i can't get an address (using dhcp)
[09:53] <jelkner> if i assign a static one it appear to be set but i can't ping past myself
[09:53] <mhz> have you tried crossover cable between 2 machines?
[09:53] <jelkner> any ideas
[09:54] <jelkner> these folks are new to ubuntu and willing to say bye to windozs, but they need networking!
[09:54] <mhz> of course!
[09:54] <jelkner> any ideas?
[09:54] <mhz> jelkner: you are installing ubuntu or edubuntu?
[09:54] <jelkner> ubuntu
[09:55] <jelkner> i tried plugging in a pcmica card that i know works, but it did not detect it
[09:55] <mhz> and your are configuring NIC's via GUI or commandline?
[09:55] <jelkner> i tried both
[09:56] <mhz> yeah, but how did you try to assign static IP via command line"?
[09:56] <jelkner> ifconfig eth0 192.168.0.150
[09:57] <jelkner> my hunch is it is that bug related to addresses for pcmcia devices
[09:57] <jelkner> although the fact that both devices show up has me perplexed
[09:57] <mhz> oh, all NIC's you are trying are PCMCIA?
[09:57] <jelkner> to tell you the truth, i don't know
[09:57] <mhz> hehehe
[09:58] <jelkner> are on-board devices like that pcmcia on a laptop?
[09:58] <bluefrog-10> did you look at /etc/network/interfaces if it seems right in there?
[09:58] <jelkner> hold on...
[09:58] <mhz> my laptops with ubuntu, all have NIC built-in.
[09:59] <jelkner> this is built-in too
[09:59] <mhz> jelkner: however, everytime I had trouble with networking, it has been:  /etc/resolv.conf and /etc/network/interfaces
[09:59] <jelkner> /etc/network/interfaces has only:
[10:00] <jelkner> mapping hotplug
[10:00] <jelkner>   script grep
[10:00] <jelkner>   map eth0
[10:00] <jelkner> that's it
[10:00] <mhz> try this...
[10:00] <jelkner> ok
[10:00] <mhz> ifconfig eth0 192.168.0.150 up
[10:01] <mhz> route add -net default gw 192.168.0.XYZ netmask 255.255.255.0 metric 1
[10:01] <mhz> do change XYZ :D
[10:02] <jelkner> do you literally want me to type XYZ?
[10:02] <mhz> then ping the gw address you specified
[10:02] <mhz> nope :D
[10:02] <jelkner> oh .1 ?
[10:02] <jelkner> lol
[10:02] <mhz> do change XYZ :D
[10:02] <mhz> jejejeje
[10:03] <mhz> and I HOPE you have no other machine with 192.168.0.150 
[10:04] <jelkner> yeah, there is something wrong with the module
[10:05] <jelkner> i can ping myself, but not the gateway
[10:05] <jelkner> wireless is having the same problem
[10:05] <jelkner> i'm going to file a bugzilla report
[10:06] <jelkner> but i would like to find a solution
[10:06] <jelkner> no, there is no other machine with 192.168.0.150
[10:07] <jelkner> and dhcp should have worked if the device was working properly
[10:08] <mhz> indeed.
[10:08] <jelkner> what package would this be?
[10:08] <mhz> indeed.i had problems with the 'maping' default config
[10:08] <mhz> so I just edited /interfaces
[10:09] <jelkner> how?
[10:09] <jelkner> should i be doing some kind of lsmod and modprobe stuff?
[10:09] <jelkner> i've done that before, but i forget what to do
[10:10] <mhz> jelkner: if you say your built-in NIC is working, no need to load modules at all
[10:10] <jelkner> it isn't working
[10:10] <jelkner> it is visible to the system, but it is not working
[10:11] <jelkner> i can't get any networking at all
[10:11] <jelkner> ogra: oliver, how goes it?
[10:11] <ogra> a bit stressed ... to much work tonight
[10:12] <jelkner> sorry to hear that
[10:12] <jelkner> i started a dapper edubuntu server today
[10:12] <jelkner> i couldn't install from today's iso
[10:12] <ogra> you cant yet 
[10:13] <ogra> i told you so ...
[10:13] <ogra> if flight 2 is announced it will be installable, as i said last meeting
[10:15] <jelkner> ok
[10:15] <jelkner> but i did this:
[10:15] <jelkner> 1. install breezy server
[10:15] <jelkner> 2. dist-upgrade to dapper
[10:16] <jelkner> 3. apt-get install edubuntu-server
[10:16] <mhz> jelkner: I am /quering ya
[10:17] <jelkner> mhz: i can see you, but you can't see me
[10:17] <jelkner> can you try again, i just identified myself to nickserv
[11:12] <jelkner> mhz: you still here?
[11:14] <tsurc> hi, anyone know if dapper will have local disk access for ltsp?
[11:16] <jelkner> tsurc: yes, it will
[11:16] <jelkner> usb, floppy, and cdrom
[11:16] <ogra> tsurc, its planned, but i cant promise it at this point of development
[11:17] <jelkner> ogra: really? we may not have local devise access?
[11:17] <ogra> jelkner, i cant promise it, as i said in the last meeting
[11:18] <ogra> it relies on time of others where i have no influence ...
[11:18] <jelkner> ok, i'll bring it up on wednesday
[11:18] <ogra> i can promise faster boot, lower mem usage, usplash and sound
[11:18] <ogra> that wont help
[11:18] <jelkner> what will help
[11:18] <tsurc> fantastic, I work at a school in uk. we are using ltsp with deb at the mo
[11:18] <jelkner> ?
[11:18] <mhz> jelkner: yup
[11:19] <jelkner> local devices are extremely important
[11:19] <ogra> nad extremely complicated and time consuming to implement
[11:19] <jelkner> mhz: how do we start a chat?
[11:19] <mhz> type /query mynick
[11:21] <tsurc> I am kinda a newbie really, but I really wana help out. esp with LTSP intigration What could I do?
[11:21] <ogra> jelkner, i'll have a meeting with mdz and scott balneaves wher we'll discuss the task, i can give more info afterwards, but its not sure mdz will have time before the next edubuntu meeting
[11:22] <jelkner> ogra: ok, i'll stay tuned
[11:23] <jelkner> i just need to know as soon as possible so i can let folks down gently (and figure out what else to do) in the labs we have already setup
[11:23] <jelkner> i've been telling them they will have a way to save data by april
[11:24] <jelkner> thanks
[11:24] <ogra> jelkner, having a spec doesnt mean something is implement ...
[11:24] <jelkner> i understand
[11:24] <ogra> see the many breezy specs that werent done
[11:25] <jelkner> but like i said in montreal, without a way to save data, we really don't have edubuntu
[11:25] <ogra> its a matter of time ...
[11:25] <jelkner> i know you can't do more than can be done
[11:25] <ogra> yes, but i have deadlines i have to match, if its not in by end of feb, it wont be in
[11:26] <ogra> and i wont promise stuf i havent yet locally ... all i listed above is running here ...
[11:26] <tsurc> Does anyone know if there is any way that I could say monitor what a sutudent is doing, and if they are misbehaving log them out forcefully?
[11:27] <ogra> tsurc, i started a tool called student-control-panel, its in dapper
[11:27] <ogra> sinceits 100% python you could use the beta version from dapper, search at packages.ubuntu.com
[11:28] <tsurc> we have a problem esp' at lunch when the kids can come and do homework in the labs, problem is most are on swf and java games. thrashes the gutts out the servers
[11:28] <ogra> it shows the students process list and enables you to log them out
[11:28] <tsurc> is it in breezy-backports?
[11:29] <tsurc> that sound great
[11:29] <ogra> nope, ts not ready enough yet for a backport
[11:29] <ogra> i want at least all basic functions in or omit te bttons for the stuff that doesnt work before asking for a backport
[11:30] <ogra> an its nt high riority currently
[11:30] <tsurc> would it work on deb?
[11:30] <ogra> if you have the ltsp version we use, yes
[11:31] <ogra> i doubt it works with clssic ltsp
[11:32] <tsurc> thanks for that, where can i find more info. (Got to get up early in the morn')
[11:33] <ogra> more info about student-control-panel ? edubuntu ? ubuntu ltsp ?
[11:33] <tsurc> all of the above, esp student-control-panel
[11:34] <tsurc> know about the wiki.edbuntu.org
[11:34] <ogra> i have a bzr archive of it if yo want to contribute or know contributors
[11:34] <ogra> http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/bzr-archive/
[11:35] <ogra> if you bzr branch it and can put your branch online, i'll greatfully merge every contribution ... else, there is no docu yet
[11:36] <ogra> a outline of what it shall be one day is on the wiki, see TeachersPet
[11:36] <tsurc> yeh pleased to. thanks again.. not really a programmer, know a few. More of a docu type.
[11:36] <ogra> thats fine too :)
[11:36] <tsurc> every little counts though
[11:36] <tsurc> gtg
[11:37] <ogra> i'd like to have the processlist and ability to shut down processes done, as well as a vnc option and remote execution of apps ...
[11:37] <ogra> beyond what is there now ...
[11:37] <tsurc> sounds good
[11:37] <ogra> but as i said, not highest priority
[11:38] <ogra> ok, sleep well :)
[11:38] <tsurc> bye
[11:38] <ogra> ciao
[11:38] <tsurc> u2
[11:57] <reinaldo> mhz, tas?
[11:57] <reinaldo> mhz, una consulta
[11:58] <reinaldo> ping mhz