[12:22] <tseng> why not?
[12:23] <\sh> if I would know, then I could change it...
[12:24] <\sh> but I go to bed around 21:00 and get up around 00:00 and now I can't sleep..and I bet around 5:00 I'll fell asleep
[12:24] <bmonty> isn't insomnia great?
[12:25] <minghua> hi \sh, I am actually waiting for you. :-)  Would you please review and request two syncs:
[12:26] <minghua> \sh: lmodern, bug #5151; and stardict, bug #5191
[12:26] <Ubugtu> Malone bug #5151: lmodern: merge new debian version In: lmodern (Ubuntu), Severity: Normal, Assigned to: MOTU Merge Team, Status: New https://launchpad.net/bugs/5151
[12:26] <Ubugtu> Malone bug #5191: stardict: merge new debian version In: stardict (Ubuntu), Severity: Normal, Assigned to: MOTU Merge Team, Status: New https://launchpad.net/bugs/5191
[12:26] <\sh> minghua: u don't need to wait for me :) bmonty,tseng and others can request syncs as well :)
[12:26] <\sh> minghua: i'll have a look this morning when I'm in the office
[12:27] <minghua> \sh: thanks
[12:37] <bmonty> minghua: for lmodern, I'm wondering if the ubuntu change to the build-deps was a typo :)
[12:38] <minghua> bmonty: there was one time that a tightened deforma versioned dep. is needed, but not anymore
[12:39] <minghua> bmonty: I think it was in hoary, but I wasn't involved with merging at that time, so I don't know details
[12:39] <bmonty> minghua: yeah, but I don't see that an 0.8.11ubuntu2 version of defoma ever existed
[12:39] <minghua> bmonty: oh
[12:39] <minghua> let me check
[12:39] <bmonty> I agree on the sync though
[12:40] <minghua> bmonty: you mean it should be 0.11.8ubuntu2 intead?  yeah I agree
[12:40] <bmonty> right
[12:41] <minghua> bmonty: you became a MOTU in last CC meeting, didn't you?
[12:42] <bmonty> bmonty: in absentia :)
[12:42] <minghua> bmonty: :-D  late congratulations, then
[12:42] <bmonty> thanks
[12:49] <minghua> does anybody know why ubuntu doesn't have octave2.9 but only 2.1?
[12:49] <minghua> do we still sync NEW packages from sid automatically?
[12:55] <bmonty> back in a bit
[12:56] <ajmitch> afternoon
[01:04] <\sh> last cigarette and another attempt to sleep
[01:07] <\sh> hmm...
[01:07] <\sh> canonical is quite fast with the money..
[01:09] <hub> hey \sh
[01:09] <hub> \sh: tried to apply for a job at canonical?
[01:09] <\sh> hub: ah well..only send my cv to mark
[01:10] <hub> that would be cool
[01:10] <\sh> hub: but they paid now the dinner expenses
[01:15] <ajmitch> hey \sh :)
[01:15] <\sh> moins ajmitch
[01:15] <ajmitch> how's it going?
[01:19] <minghua> hi LaserJock
[01:19] <LaserJock> hiya minghua, how's it going?
[01:20] <minghua> LaserJock: not bad, just finished two syncs and asked MOTUs to review
[01:20] <minghua> LaserJock: took octave2.1 to merge just now
[01:20] <LaserJock> saw that
[01:20] <\sh> ajmitch: I'm just a bit on packaging holiday :) but from tomorrow on I'll rock again :)
[01:20] <minghua> LaserJock: dapper doesn't have octave2.9 though
[01:21] <LaserJock> minghua: why not?
[01:21] <minghua> Hmm, they all said \sh is a 24/7 merging machine...  it seems not true after all
[01:21] <minghua> LaserJock: no idea, I just asked here but no answers
[01:22] <\sh> minghua: well...it's only a rumour...but no...\sh is just a normal human being :)
[01:22] <minghua> LaserJock: And it seems not really important, as debian maintainer(s) still recommends 2.1
[01:22] <minghua> LaserJock: for ordinary users, that is
[01:22] <minghua> \sh: just kidding :-)
[01:41] <seth_k> to whom would one talk to get the ubuntu/member cloak turned on for their nick?
[01:41] <LaserJock> what does that do for you?
[01:42] <seth_k> just masks your hostmask with @ubuntu/member
[01:43] <Seveas> seth_k, that would be me
[01:43] <seth_k> mind doing it for me, Seveas? Launchpad page: https://launchpad.net/people/seth (to prove I'm a member)
[01:43] <Seveas> seth_k, will do
[01:44] <Seveas> (takes a day or 2)
[01:44] <seth_k> cheers Seveas, thanks
[01:44] <seth_k> yeah, no worries
[01:47] <Seveas> I can choose for you, but you'd be mad at me if I do that ;)
[01:47] <bmonty> how does the hostmask work? is it just a vanity thing or does it do something else?
[01:48] <ajmitch> bmonty: vanity, all is vanity
[01:48] <Seveas> well, for me it is partially spam prevention
[01:48] <seth_k> it has my domain in it
[01:48] <Seveas> *@my_hostname is a catch all mail address
[01:48] <bmonty> well...I'm vain so could you add me to the list?
[01:48] <Seveas> stupid provide
[01:48] <Seveas> bmonty, only if you're a member
[01:48] <seth_k> he's a MOTU iirc
[01:49] <bmonty> Seveas: I am
[01:49] <Seveas> bmonty, launchpad id please :0
[01:49] <bmonty> bmontgom
[01:50] <Seveas> hmm, you're in the development team, but are not a membet
[01:50] <Seveas> odd situation
[01:50] <Seveas> you should summarize your contributions on a wikipage and become a member
[01:51] <ajmitch> Seveas: I'm sure he's a member, approved at a CC meeting
[01:51] <Seveas> hmm
[01:51] <bmonty> Seveas: I have a wiki page, maybe I messed something up on requesting teams?
[01:51] <Seveas> then someone forgot to add him
[01:51] <ajmitch> maybe someone forgot to add him to the LP team
[01:51] <Seveas> ajmitch, do you remember at which CC meeting that was?
[01:52] <thierry_> could anyone point me a wiki or a faq about keysigning, keys stuff... I simply don't understand what's a key, what's it's usage and why would anyone want to sign one....
[01:52] <ajmitch> Seveas: nope :)
[01:52] <ajmitch> Seveas: it wouldn't be hard to find though
[01:52] <Seveas> thierry_, GnuPrivacyGuardHowto is a start
[01:52] <bmonty> Seveas: I can send you the email dholbach sent me when they made me an MOTU if that helps
[01:53] <seth_k> thierry_, a key proves you are who you say you are for written communication... Ubuntu uses them mostly to sign package change files, to prove that the package has been changed by a trusted person and hasn't been altered since
[01:53] <Seveas> bmonty, MOTU isn't equivalent to member...
[01:54] <bmonty> Seveas: ah, I thought they went with each other...maybe I'm not a member then
[01:54] <ajmitch> Seveas: membership is a prerequisite for MOTUness
[01:54] <seth_k> don't you have to be a member to be a MOTU?
[01:54] <seth_k> yeah
[01:54] <Seveas> ajmitch, well, he's no member yet :)
[01:54] <Seveas> and there are several other MOTU for whom this is the case
[01:55] <ajmitch> maybe on launchpad.. :)
[01:55] <Seveas> :)
[01:55] <Seveas> anyway, bmonty will be cloaked in a few days too
[01:55] <bmonty> this would be the "Ubuntu Members" team, right?
[01:55] <bmonty> Seveas: thanks
[01:55] <LaserJock> isn't bddebian another example?
[01:55] <bmonty> LaserJock: it appears so
[01:56] <Seveas> he's an example alright, but of what... :)
[01:56] <seth_k> yeah, he is
[01:56] <seth_k> he's a MOTU but not a member on Launchpad
[01:56] <bmonty> speaking of which...where is bddebian?
[01:56] <seth_k> I dunno :(
[01:56] <seth_k> haven't seen him in a long time
[01:57] <bmonty> launchpad says I am a proposed member of Ubuntu Members
[01:58] <ajmitch> bddebian is AWOL
[01:58] <ajmitch> he dropped off after breezy release
[01:58] <bmonty> didn't he get a new job?
[01:59] <ajmitch>    Last Seen: 3 weeks 5 days (20h 18m 11s) ago
[01:59] <ajmitch> that was pre-release, iirc?
[01:59] <Seveas> AWOL?
[01:59] <ajmitch> Seveas: absent without leave
[01:59] <bmonty> ajmitch: pre-release or close to it
[02:00] <bmonty> though..3 weeks really isn't that long of a time :)
[02:00] <Seveas> 3 weeks was weeks after release...
[02:00] <Seveas> it's dec. 5 already :)
[02:00] <Seveas> (or dec. 4 if you're in america)
[02:01] <bmonty> Seveas: you're right...
[02:02] <bmonty> I bet if we started assigning bugs to him that it would get his attention :)
[02:02] <Seveas> hehe
[02:02] <seth_k> just do a quick assign-all-unassigned :)
[02:02] <seth_k> when he gets 3000 bugs he'll come back
[02:04] <bmonty> remind me not to piss off seth_k
[02:04] <bmonty> :)
[02:04] <Seveas> or to apply a hammer
[02:05] <seth_k> bmonty, as long as you sponsor lots of my uploads I will stay happy ;)
[02:05] <seth_k> j/k
[02:05] <bmonty> seth_k: I can't upload yet :(
[02:06] <Seveas> I can only upload to REVU :)
[02:07] <bmonty> hmm...debian, main, universe...yeah, just a few
[02:07] <ajmitch> :)
[02:08] <tseng> managing mailman lists all seperately is a major PITA
[02:08] <tseng> i have to change my address in every ubnutu ml seperately despite being on the same page
[02:34] <\sh> ajmitch: think about the 10th
[02:36] <\sh> and I found a game...which is very addictive
[02:36] <\sh> http://www.daimonin.net/index.php
[02:36] <\sh> rogue a like game...but really mmorpg ,)
[02:37] <\sh> and even playable on old computers
[02:39] <ajmitch> \sh: the 10th? I've got to decide on a time
[02:39] <ajmitch> suggestions are welcome - it'd probably end up being a bad time for US people
[02:39] <\sh> ajmitch: yes please :) give me a time...there are hundreds who are waiting for your lecture
[02:39] <ajmitch> & I've got to prepare.. sigh
[02:39] <ajmitch> hundreds? I hope not
[02:39] <\sh> ajmitch: well...if I get it right, some of the linuxchix will join us :)
[02:40] <ajmitch> \sh: you need a real developer to give this talk then :)
[02:40] <\sh> ajmitch: and then we will have jbailey to present cdbs :)
[02:40] <\sh> ajmitch: nope..you will do it :)
[02:41] <ajmitch> eek
[02:41] <\sh> btw...we will enhance ubuntu-motu-school to ubuntu-school sometime :) for having "beginners lectures to unix/linux"
[02:42] <ajmitch> right..
[02:43] <\sh> there are a lot of things going on...when everything is setteled and I have a rough time schedule...you will have the most rocking announcement on te fridge
[02:44] <ajmitch> it depends on the target audience, whether they'd be alive :)
[02:45] <ajmitch> since that's 3am on the east coast of the US
[02:45] <ajmitch> and unnaturally early on saturday morning for europeans ;)
[02:45] <\sh> make it 11 UTC :)
[02:46] <ajmitch> midnight for me?
[02:46] <ajmitch> I'd be dead
[02:46] <ajmitch> since I expect it'd take 1-2 hours with questions
[02:46] <\sh> ajmitch: ah come on...you are young :)
[02:46] <ajmitch> not young enough :)
[02:47] <\sh> got jblack for bzr lectures cool
[02:48] <bmonty> I like ajmitch...but not enough to get up at 3AM :)
[02:48] <ajmitch> \sh: maybe I can script it & get screen to replay it while I sleep ;)
[02:49] <\sh> we will have some written sum-ups of those sessions...I'll try to convince anyone to write some small little pages
[02:49] <\sh> ajmitch: provide a presentation :)
[02:49] <ajmitch> heh
[02:50] <\sh> everyone can follow your speech..and read it again and again :)
[02:51] <minghua> ajmitch: I have no problem with that if your screen can answer questions as well :-)
[02:51] <ajmitch> minghua: that's the tricky part
[02:52] <minghua> talking about sum-ups, is the summary for last lecture by \sh up online now?
[02:52] <minghua> or at least logs?
[02:52] <\sh> minghua: I'm missing kyral
[02:52] <\sh> but I'm creating a presentation for that next week somehow...
[02:53] <minghua> \sh: on the same/similar topic?
[02:53] <\sh> yes
[02:53] <minghua> great
[02:54] <Kyral> hmm
[02:54] <ajmitch> Kyral is here..
[02:55] <Kyral> I've been here :P
[02:56] <\sh> Kyral: the sum up of the patch and diff stuff..
[02:57] <Kyral> eh?
[02:57] <ajmitch> yes
[02:57] <Kyral> oh lol
[02:57] <Kyral> thats on my laptop
[02:57] <\sh> Kyral: you wanted to do a summarize :)
[02:57] <seth_k> 21:00 NZDT = 2 am for me = no ajmitch for me :(
[02:57] <ajmitch> seth_k: no kidding, I've got to find *some* suitable time
[02:58] <Kyral> Sorry I've been punching data into a MySQL database by hand all day give my mind a few minutes to recover
[02:58] <Kyral> \sh: This week is REALLY busy
[02:58] <ajmitch> living in NZ (note, *not* .au) is difficult for timezones
[02:58] <seth_k> yeah
[02:58] <Kyral> I'm going into finals week
[02:58] <\sh> Kyral: send me the log then :)
[02:58] <seth_k> Kyral, me too :(
[02:58] <Kyral> I was about to say that :P
[02:59] <Kyral> and if anyone knows anything about automating things on the MySQL command line ping me
[02:59] <\sh> mysql -u <user> -p -h <host> <database> < mysql.script?
[03:00] <minghua> I think I can stay up on 2 am for ajmitch's talk
[03:00] <Kyral> I was wondering if I could shell script on MySQL
[03:00] <\sh> Kyral: it's UNIX man :)
[03:00] <Kyral> \sh: I am VERY new to MySQL
[03:00] <Kyral> so mysql.script is just a standard bash script?
[03:01] <\sh> Kyral: no..mysql.script is something mysql sql script...
[03:01] <\sh> Kyral: but you can create this via shell
[03:01] <\sh> script
[03:01] <\sh> what do u need?
[03:01] <raphink> ooo pretty active tonight :)
[03:01] <Kyral> just things to save me from having to enter repetitive data all night
[03:01] <\sh> i have only three hours left for sleep....
[03:01] <\sh> Kyral: e.g.?
[03:02] <Kyral> like I need to tell it "Okay, the next n records are going to have x value in y column"
[03:03] <\sh> Kyral: and u have a list of the records in some other format?
[03:03] <Kyral> nope
[03:03] <Kyral> See if I was in a script I'd start a for loop at 0 and loop until n
[03:03] <bmonty> Kyral: you could write a python script to generate all of the INSERT statements and then feed that to mysql
[03:04] <Kyral> bmonty: I don't know Python
[03:04] <Kyral> but can't I do that with Bash?
[03:04] <\sh> Kyral: then do it in perl or shell
[03:04] <ajmitch> Kyral: now is a good chance to learn, then
[03:04] <bmonty> Kyral: or any other language that you like
[03:04] <Kyral> and I'd use echo to tell MySQL the commands
[03:04] <ajmitch> you could learn enough python in 3 hours to do this
[03:04] <Kyral> bmonty: the only thing I'm proficient in right now is C++
[03:04] <bmonty> more like 30 mins
[03:05] <Kyral> I know I know enough Bash to get it done
[03:05] <ajmitch> so use bash :)
[03:05] <Kyral> I just need to know if I do something like echo <INSERT STATEMENT>
[03:05] <bmonty> Kyral: I would make a file with all of the statements and then feed that to mysql
[03:05] <bmonty> that way you can QA it first :)
[03:05] <ajmitch> that's the usual way of doing it
[03:06] <Kyral> gah but that way I have to write it....wait....or have a program write it for me
[03:06] <Kyral> so just have each statement on each line...
[03:07] <bmonty> can you see the lightbulb over Kyral's head?
[03:07] <Kyral> write the program to make the file, use INFILE to populate the table from the file...
[03:08] <bmonty> mysql will read each line as a seperate command
[03:08] <Kyral> so I make sure to stick \n only where I want it :D
[03:08] <Kyral> This just saved me like 3 days of work :D
[03:09] <bmonty> *ouch* how big a table are you making?
[03:09] <Kyral> My anime database :P
[03:09] <ajmitch> probably not that large
[03:09] <ajmitch> Kyral: sure, why would you enter this by hand?
[03:10] <ajmitch> and why do you need to do it now?
[03:10] <Kyral> because the Prof won't let us use anything but the commandline
[03:10] <bmonty> Kyral: there is a C++ lib for mysql, why not use that?
[03:10] <Kyral> and because its the backbone of my final project for the class which is due next Wednesday
[03:10] <Kyral> there is?
[03:11] <Kyral> so I could have the program do it all directly for me?
[03:11] <\sh> there is DBD::mysql for perl,
[03:11] <\sh> there is python-mysql
[03:11] <Kyral> I don't know Perl or Python (Learning them over break)
[03:11] <bmonty> there is bindings for almost everything
[03:12] <\sh> Kyral: to be a good admin you need perl
[03:12] <\sh> Kyral: or sed/awk
[03:12] <Kyral> I know
[03:12] <\sh> but you will get the help you need
[03:12] <\sh> "Ubuntu School For Unix Beginners" will open soon :)
[03:13] <Kyral> when tonight?
[03:13] <\sh> na
[03:13] <Kyral> bmonty: whats the lib called?
[03:13] <\sh> Kyral: send the log to sh@sourcecode.de
[03:14] <\sh> going now...good night :)
[03:14] <bmonty> Kyral: libmyodbc
[03:14] <Kyral> \sh I'll send it tomorrow
[03:14] <bmonty> Kyral: libmyodbc
[03:14] <bmonty> i think
[03:15] <Kyral> MySQL ODBC Driver?
[03:16] <bmonty> yeah, there is also libmysqlclient
[03:16] <Kyral> Well, I'm gonna ask him if we can use that
[03:16] <Kyral> He shot down PHPMyAdmin
[03:16] <bmonty> I've only used the Java class, but those are the C bindings I believe
[03:19] <Kyral> ack..I almost forgot to put my name on the CC Agenda!
[03:29] <Kyral> ping LaserJock
[03:59] <Kyral> hmm
[03:59] <Kyral> when listing Mailing List things on the Wikipage what is the best way to do it?
[04:07] <LaserJock> Kyral: pong
[04:07] <Kyral> in your packaging Guide
[04:07] <Kyral> about Lintian
[04:08] <Kyral> you should use -vi
[04:11] <LaserJock> Kyral: ok, but I'm not sure where the packaging guide is going right now so you might have to tell me again
[04:11] <Kyral> kk
[04:20] <ajmitch> uh oh :)
[04:20] <ajmitch> can it be recovered?
[04:20] <bmonty> I don't know yet
[04:23] <LaserJock> bmonty: brick as in it dropped like a ton of bricks or you through a brick at it? :-)
[04:23] <Lathiat> what router?
[04:23] <Lathiat> wrt?
[04:24] <bmonty> LaserJock: as in I have a wireless router that is as good as a brick
[04:24] <bmonty> Lathiat: Linksys WRT54G v2.0
[04:24] <Lathiat> bmonty: unless you did something relaly bad
[04:24] <Lathiat> bmonty: you can almost always recover those
[04:24] <bmonty> Lathiat: yeah...I think I messed up and the boot_wait got reset
[04:24] <Lathiat> yeh you can still get back from that
[04:25] <bmonty> trying to figure out how to get around that
[04:26] <Lathiat> if you dont figure it out
[04:26] <Lathiat> let me know and i'll find out
[04:27] <bmonty> Lathiat: I'm trying to figure out how to get the tftp server to work again...any idea where that info it?
[04:28] <ajmitch> hey Lathiat
[04:38] <bmonty> ok, time to start shorting some pins on this thing :)
[04:49] <Lathiat> hehe
[04:52] <ajmitch> Lathiat: started thinking about yout LCA talk yet?>
[04:54] <Lathiat> far too early for that :)
[04:56] <ajmitch> far too early to start writing, anyway
[04:56] <ajmitch> it's not the night before
[05:02] <Lathiat> :)
[05:11] <StevenK> ajmitch: Ping
[05:32] <StevenK> Crap. libsdl1.2 has been merged already.
[05:41] <JohnnyMast> awww :(
[05:41] <JohnnyMast> yeah that sucks
[05:52] <bmonty> back in business!
[05:52] <LaserJock> good
[05:54] <JohnnyMast> good morning MOTU`s
[06:21] <Kyral> anyone mind looking over my Wikipage?
[06:23] <JohnnyMast> sure
[06:24] <Kyral> wiki.ubuntu.com/ChrisPeterman
[06:25] <JohnnyMast> nice bug fix list
[06:25] <bmonty> Kyral: nice page
[06:26] <JohnnyMast> impressive :)
[06:26] <JohnnyMast> this is mine https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JohnnyMast
[06:28] <JohnnyMast> im thinkng about creating a group that can reverce file types
[06:28] <JohnnyMast> to C
[06:28] <JohnnyMast> or C++
[06:28] <Kyral> bmonty: I'm going for Membership on Tuesday
[06:28] <crimsun> chris, it would help to have a five- or six-word synopsis of the thread to the trailing edge of each Notable Forum Thread link so that the CC members can get an idea of the diversity of the threads at a high level
[06:29] <JohnnyMast> Kyral me 2
[06:29] <Kyral> crimsun: You mean just grab the Thread title?
[06:29] <bmonty> Kyral: cool
[06:29] <crimsun> Kyral: if that suffices, sure
[06:29] <Kyral> anyone mind supporting me?
[06:29] <crimsun> I personally would try to summarise
[06:30] <crimsun> I'll be there; I'm vouching for Jordan anyhow, so sure
[06:30] <Kyral> Yah I love how two of the MOTUScience team are going at once :D
[06:31] <Kyral> ty ty crimsun
[06:31] <Kyral> 9 AM EST right...
[06:31] <bmonty> I'll be at work during that meeting :(
[06:31] <Kyral> I'll be half-awake
[06:31] <JohnnyMast> ile be having coffie :D
[06:31] <Kyral> Pepsi
[06:32] <LaserJock> me too
[06:32] <JohnnyMast> jold :p
[06:32] <Kyral> now shower I need
[06:33] <bmonty> I got my AP back up and running, and it is time for me to go to sleep before I break it again
[06:33] <bmonty> good night everyone
[06:36] <zakame> afternoon all :)
[06:37] <LaserJock> evening
[06:38] <ajmitch> hi
[06:39] <crimsun> LaserJock: remember to ping me, please, thanks
[06:40] <LaserJock> crimsun: yeah, I will try
[06:40] <viviersf> morning guys *yawn*
[06:41] <zakame> hey viviersf
[06:42] <crimsun> 'lo
[06:43] <viviersf> i got whiplash
[06:43] <viviersf> and i got tons of stuff to do :/
[06:46] <ajmitch> viviersf: car crash?
[06:46] <viviersf> nope lol
[06:46] <viviersf> clubbing
[06:47] <JohnnyMast> a whiplash from clubbing ?
[06:47] <ajmitch> haha
[06:47] <JohnnyMast> what do they say @ work about that ?
[06:48] <viviersf> JohnnyMast, erm headbanging gives you whiplash
[06:48] <zakame> viviersf: awww
[06:48] <viviersf> and no1 else is in yet
[06:49] <viviersf> since all the building gets done by me
[06:49] <viviersf> im here earlier than the rest
[06:55] <JohnnyMast> hehe
[06:55] <JohnnyMast> ow okey :)
[07:22] <Kyral> night all
[07:22] <zakame> bye Kyral
[07:23] <JohnnyMast> night :)
[07:23] <JohnnyMast> hope you make it
[07:26] <Kyral> so do I lol
[07:28] <JohnnyMast> and my self
[07:28] <JohnnyMast> some one removed me from the list
[07:29] <JohnnyMast> of candidates so it was good i was checking
[07:30] <LaserJock> get some rest Kyral ;-)
[07:30] <JohnnyMast> he`s sleeping with one eye on #ubuntu-motu :p
[07:30] <LaserJock> lol
[07:32] <zakame> haha
[07:39] <sladen> whereas some people just sleep with #ubuntu-motus!
[07:40] <JohnnyMast> :)
[07:40] <JohnnyMast> you should write a create #ubuntu-motu-Zzzz
[07:40] <zakame> lol sladen :)
[07:42] <sladen> and do what...
[07:42] <sladen> sleep with the USB stick?
[07:43] <JohnnyMast> stick it up hahaha
[07:43] <JohnnyMast> erm :|
[07:43] <zakame> grab build-deps for lucene :( me's on a dialup
[07:44] <zakame> I've would have just dragged my desktop to the local cafe, but 'tis raining mightily here in Daet
[07:44] <zakame> JohnnyMast: LOL!
[07:48] <JohnnyMast> can some one view my wiki as well to see if i make a chance tomorrow ?
[07:53] <JohnnyMast> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JohnnyMast
[08:09] <StevenK> ajmitch: Ping
[08:14] <siretart> morning
[08:14] <siretart> hey StevenK
[08:15] <siretart> StevenK: I really think you are ready to join ubuntumembers. Can you attend the meeting tomorrow 1400 UTC?
[08:19] <ajmitch> StevenK: yes?
[08:22] <StevenK> siretart: Really?
[08:22] <StevenK> siretart: I can, but it makes it 0100 local time.
[08:22] <StevenK> ajmitch: (Do you agree with siretart?)
[08:22] <StevenK> ajmitch: You were asking about debian/control.in.ubuntu in moin?
[08:24] <StevenK> Whee.
[08:24] <ajmitch> StevenK: I was just curious to see it there, I didn't get to look at the diff itself
[08:25] <StevenK> Ah.
[08:25] <StevenK> ajmitch: It's from Debian.
[08:25] <StevenK> ajmitch: I couldn't make the debian/rules file from 1.3.5-1 go at all, so I ended up making a monster from 1.2.4-1ubuntu1 and 1.3.5-1
[08:25] <ajmitch> heh ok\
[08:25] <StevenK> ajmitch: Please look over it. :-)
[08:26] <JohnnyMast> ajmitch what do you think about me ?, would i be ready for it ?
[08:26] <bojan> morning!
[08:26] <minghua> siretart: are you aware of http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/11/msg00016.html ?
[08:26] <JohnnyMast> morning bojan
[08:27] <ajmitch> JohnnyMast: ready for what?
[08:27] <JohnnyMast> ubuntu membership
[08:27] <ajmitch> what have you done so far?
[08:28] <JohnnyMast> lots of translations to dutch some bug fixes and suggested a logo
[08:28] <JohnnyMast> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JohnnyMast
[08:28] <ajmitch> you could try, you'd probably just get in for translations
[08:28] <ajmitch> the rest probably isn't enough yet
[08:29] <JohnnyMast> lets hope i do
[08:29] <JohnnyMast> i like working for ubuntu and motu
[08:31] <ajmitch> the CC like to see a sustained & significant contribution
[08:32] <JohnnyMast> well arnt bug fixes significant ?
[08:32] <ajmitch> if you do more than 1 or 2
[08:32] <JohnnyMast> i did 3
[08:32] <JohnnyMast> well im fixing the first
[08:32] <JohnnyMast> since some one asked me to make it better
[08:33] <siretart> minghua: yes, I am aware of this. I actually wanted to include that link, but I didn't find it
[08:33] <ajmitch> JohnnyMast: some people here didn't get membership until they'd had quite a number of fixes uploaded
[08:34] <minghua> siretart: I think it's a freetype bug, libcairo in debian had to add a workaround for it when it used the new API
[08:35] <minghua> siretart: now it seems libcario in Debian is dropping the part that uses the new ABI in order to get into testing
[08:35] <JohnnyMast> ajmitch alright well thanks any ways
[08:35] <siretart> minghua: *shrug*. in either case, libcairo needs fixing in dapper
[08:36] <ajmitch> JohnnyMast: doesn't matter what I say, it's only the CC's vote that counts ;)
[08:36] <siretart> because it definitly needs libfreetype from dapper
[08:36] <JohnnyMast> yeah i know i faced them once already
[08:36] <ajmitch> oh?
[08:36] <ajmitch> what did they say to you?
[08:36] <minghua> siretart: yeah...  I was complaining at the devel list as well.
[08:36] <JohnnyMast> but they told me to come back when i did more
[08:36] <siretart> minghua: aaah, now I understand
[08:37] <ajmitch> JohnnyMast: I see something back in may
[08:37] <ajmitch> have you gone back to the CC since then
[08:37] <ajmitch> ?
[08:38] <ajmitch> bye siretart
[08:38] <JohnnyMast> wich was a good concultion, because i just saw ubuntu and signed up and i didnt do anything yet. The only projects i did was for my self
[08:38] <JohnnyMast> ajmitch nope
[08:38] <minghua> see you siretart
[08:38] <ajmitch> we try & make sure that people have as good a chance as possible when going before the CC & TB
[08:39] <ajmitch> since they inevitably ask for our opinion of your work
[08:40] <JohnnyMast> and do you have an opinion about me ?
[08:41] <ajmitch> on the MOTU side, there's not nearly enough yet
[08:41] <ajmitch> I can't judge translations :)
[08:42] <JohnnyMast> well we will see :)
[08:42] <JohnnyMast> ile hope it works out
[08:42] <ajmitch> hopefully :)
[08:42] <JohnnyMast> i have seen people make it without a strong wiki
[08:43] <ajmitch> yes, as long as they've had good contributions
[08:43] <ajmitch> my wiki page is probably pretty bad at the moment
[08:44] <ajmitch> actually my wiki page hardly mentions what I've done ;)
[08:45] <JohnnyMast> yeah but the CC reads ur wiki dont they
[08:45] <ajmitch> yes
[08:45] <ajmitch> I've been a member for quite awhile now
[08:46] <JohnnyMast> hmm well im fixing my pure-ftpd patch now
[08:46] <JohnnyMast> and made it mode depend on xinetd OR inetd
[08:46] <JohnnyMast> its about to finish
[08:47] <JohnnyMast> do you have time to review my patch ? since we discussed it before together
[08:49] <ajmitch> not right at the moment, sorry
[08:49] <JohnnyMast> hmm okey
[08:51] <JohnnyMast> btw packages fixed for dapper do they land in breezy as well or not because of dependentie issues ?
[08:51] <ajmitch> not at all
[08:51] <ajmitch> breezy is frozen
[08:51] <ajmitch> only special cases get into breezy-updates
[08:51] <JohnnyMast> aaah kk
[08:51] <JohnnyMast> i c
[09:05] <minghua> StevenK: why not?  just because it's too late?
[09:07] <StevenK> minghua: No. Because I think I haven't done enough.
[09:10] <JohnnyMast> wow my debdiff is long ... while i made only some changes
[09:10] <JohnnyMast> in 3 files
[09:19] <dholbach> good morning
[09:20] <ajmitch__> hi
[09:22] <JohnnyMast> ok i have a question
[09:22] <JohnnyMast> i was looking for the most current version of mythgame
[09:22] <JohnnyMast> for a fx
[09:22] <JohnnyMast> *fix
[09:22] <JohnnyMast> it shows that its  not in dapper
[09:22] <JohnnyMast> so i cant fix it ?
[09:23] <sivang> morning all
[09:23] <dholbach> JohnnyMast: you can package a new version (after you looked, if debian has it)
[09:24] <JohnnyMast> well package search only shows mythgame in breezy but clicking "seatch for other versions of mythgame" showed the dapper version
[09:24] <JohnnyMast> so dholbach its no need for that
[09:24] <JohnnyMast> i answered my own question so it seems :)
[09:25] <dholbach> ok, very good :)
[09:25] <JohnnyMast> hehe
[09:25] <JohnnyMast> hmm whats multiverse ?
[09:26] <dholbach> non-free stuff
[09:27] <JohnnyMast> its in there
[09:27] <lucas> non-free non-main packages
[09:27] <JohnnyMast> oki
[09:36] <ajmitch__> StevenK: it was requested by someone?
[09:38] <minghua> StevenK: if you plan to apply for a member at the CC meeting after Tuesday's, I'm likely going to be with you :-)
[09:42] <zakame> hey all :)
[09:44] <StevenK> minghua: Ah. Well, I just added myself to this CC meeting.
[09:44] <StevenK> ajmitch__: Indeed, \sh asked elmo.
[09:45] <ajmitch__> ok
[09:45] <siretart> StevenK: just in case, add yourself both to the launchpad group as well as the agenda on the wiki
[09:45] <siretart> re, btw
[09:45] <zakame> StevenK: go go go
[09:45] <minghua> StevenK: good luck :-)
[09:45] <dholbach> StevenK: nice to see that :)
[09:45] <StevenK> siretart: Done btoh.
[09:46] <StevenK> Er, both
[09:46] <StevenK> minghua, zakame, dholbach: Thanks. :-)
[09:46] <siretart> :)
[09:48] <TheMuso> Is there anywhere that explains just what a merge is? I haven't yet been able to find a clear explanation.
[09:49] <ajmitch__> taking changes debian has done, taking changes we've done, and smashing them together until they work
[09:49] <TheMuso> I thought as much, but wasn't entreily sure.
[10:01] <zyga> zakame: hi :-)
[10:02] <zakame> hey zyga :) what's up?
[10:05] <zyga> breakfast, job, pygadu :-)
[10:05] <zakame> ooh!
[10:08] <bojan> i'm running ubuntu on qemu and i have a problem with sudo pbuilder create --distribution breezy
[10:08] <bojan>  E: failed getting release file http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/breezy/Release
[10:09] <bojan>  pbuilder: debootstrap failed
[10:09] <bojan> -> Aborting with an error
[10:09] <lifeless> is your networking setup ?
[10:09] <bojan>  -> cleaning the build env
[10:09] <bojan> yes, there is no problem with the net
[10:09] <lifeless> INSIDE qemu
[10:09] <bojan> yes
[10:10] <sivang> bojan: pbuilder is executed inside QEMU?
[10:10] <sivang> bojan: under ubuntu, ofcourse
[10:10] <bojan> sivang: right
[10:11] <sivang> bojan: so there's probably something wrong with the network setup inside the chroot's pbuilder is trying to build in
[10:12] <sivang> bojan: (this happened to me once when I set up my dchroot, and forgot to copy the resolve file, and /proc mount of stuff)
[10:13] <bojan> but i don't have a chroot before sudo pbuilder create --distribution breezy, do i?
[10:13] <zakame> nope, you're already inside qemu right?
[10:13] <bojan> zakame: yes
[10:15] <bojan> on the other side, if i do sudo pbuilder create --distribution breezy at home, on ubuntu directly, it says that he could not install all packages and that some of them have still the old version
[10:17] <bojan> in both cases i followed https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto exactly
[10:19] <dholbach> ARG, universe-bugs@ has a problem with being implicitly CCed
[10:19] <dholbach> i have to manually approve posts again
[10:19] <dholbach> this happens, when motu-reviewers or motu-mergers list strike
[10:19] <Seveas> JohnnyMast, ping
[10:20] <JohnnyMast> yes im here
[10:21] <zakame> dholbach: awww
[10:21] <Seveas> JohnnyMast, please stop adding yourself to the CC agenda
[10:22] <Seveas> read wiki.ubuntu.com/NewMemberHowto - Membership is a sign of recognition of a significant and sustained contribution
[10:22] <JohnnyMast> The commants where not insplace
[10:22] <Seveas> so you first have to make a contribution
[10:23] <JohnnyMast> when was the last time you checked my wiki ?
[10:23] <zakame> StevenK: eh? can't pdebuild?
[10:23] <JohnnyMast> Seveas everthing is there
[10:23] <Seveas> JohnnyMast, you have not yet made a sustained and significant contribution to Ubuntu
[10:24] <JohnnyMast> links / text /descrptions
[10:24] <Seveas> first of all you're here for only a few weeks
[10:24] <JohnnyMast> yes i did
[10:24] <Seveas> and second your real contribution to ubuntu is still almost nothing
[10:24] <JohnnyMast> translations
[10:24] <JohnnyMast> bug fixes
[10:24] <JohnnyMast> soggested logo`s
[10:24] <JohnnyMast> are you sure your checking my wiki ?
[10:25] <Seveas> 3 bugfixes and a logo is not significant nor sustained
[10:25] <Seveas> launchpad translations are impossible if you're not a member of the translation team
[10:25] <Seveas> and you are not a member of it
[10:25] <JohnnyMast> ok leave me on that list, is it up to you to remove me ?
[10:26] <Seveas> I am trying to keep the meetings normal
[10:26] <Seveas> you really should wait and contribute for a few more weeks uuntil it can be called sustained and significant
[10:27] <Seveas> I don't think any motu will vouch for you at this point, and the -nl team neither will
[10:27] <Seveas> so your membership application will just cost time
[10:27] <JohnnyMast> well let it be
[10:28] <Seveas> Find me 2 motu who will vouch for you and i'll take back all that I said
[10:28] <ajmitch__> Seveas: I already said that the MOTU contributions aren't enough
[10:28] <Seveas> but otherwise: don't waste our time
[10:29] <Seveas> JohnnyMast, tip: if MOTU contributions will be part of your argumentation, always check with the motu whether they agree
[10:29] <Seveas> and for the few translation suggestions: that's definitely not enough sp you need the MOTU to back you up
[10:30] <JohnnyMast> Seveas then can you be so kind to give an example of a valid conribuntion ?
[10:30] <zakame> JohnnyMast: love Universe, all will come in time ;)
[10:30] <Seveas> exactly
[10:30] <JohnnyMast> yes but an example
[10:30] <Seveas> just stay in here, help out and try in a few weeks/months when your contribution is both sustained and significant
[10:31] <ajmitch__> 20 merges or so might be a good start :)
[10:31] <StevenK> Geez, I haven't even done 20.
[10:31] <JohnnyMast> i want to learn merges
[10:31] <ajmitch__> StevenK: I know :)
[10:31] <Seveas> ajmitch__, ghe, there are 3 mergers on the CC agenda :)
[10:31] <ajmitch__> Seveas: since merges is all we're doing at the moment in MOTU, it's not a surprise
[10:31] <ajmitch__> StevenK: I haven't done 20 either
[10:32] <ajmitch__> maybe 15
[10:32] <Seveas> I have done 0 :)
[10:32] <StevenK> Um. slides is my ... 12th, I think.
[10:32] <Seveas> yep
[10:32] <StevenK> With the time taken ranging from one hour to seven or more.
[10:32] <Seveas> (according to your wikipage)
[10:32] <ajmitch__> Seveas: lazy..
[10:33] <minghua> does a sync count as a merge?
[10:33] <ajmitch__> Seveas: were you planning to apply for MOTU at some point?
[10:33] <StevenK> Yes.
[10:33] <ajmitch__> minghua: well.. it's not really much work involved :)
[10:33] <Seveas> ajmitch__, maybe, but I'm mainly doing support in #ubuntu{,-nl} and lead the dutch locoteam
[10:33] <StevenK> A sync still takes me an hour, since I build, install and test the thing.
[10:33] <minghua> ajmitch__: yeah, that's what I'm worrying about
[10:33] <Seveas> I did upload a few things to REVU though and have some plans for more
[10:34] <ajmitch__> Seveas: that's a start
[10:34] <JohnnyMast> well okey Seveas , btw you requested the diff of pure-ftpd right ?
[10:34] <minghua> ajmitch__: but I always try to get a merge if possible, so most of the merge work I did end up with syncs
[10:34] <StevenK> ajmitch__: And don't make me beg. :-P
[10:34] <ajmitch__> that's ok
[10:34] <Seveas> JohnnyMast, a debdiff of the original and your xinetd changes
[10:34] <zakame> is there going to be a revu day soon?
[10:34] <ajmitch__> zakame: yeah
[10:34] <StevenK> A sync is better. It means less work for Dapper+1, hopefully.
[10:34] <ajmitch__> zakame: are you listed as a reviewer yet?
[10:34] <dholbach_> zakame, ajmitch: who does the announce?
[10:35] <ajmitch__> dholbach_: you can :)
[10:35] <JohnnyMast> yep Seveas let me post it after  i walked the dog
[10:35] <dholbach_> that's what i thought
[10:35] <dholbach_> :-(
[10:35] <dholbach_> i'll do it now
[10:35] <dholbach_> which date?
[10:35] <zakame> ajmitch__: not yet :( who should I ping?
[10:35] <ajmitch__> dholbach_: if you want, I can..
[10:35] <ajmitch__> dholbach_: did we decide on a date?
[10:35] <Seveas> ajmitch__, and my latest hobby is bugzilla, I'm re-triagin all old bugs and have closed heaps of them :)
[10:35] <dholbach_> ajmitch__: i'm fine with doing it
[10:35] <ajmitch__> zakame: I'll see if I can put you in the reviewers group
[10:36] <ajmitch__> dholbach_: we agreed on this coming weekend of 10th/11th, right?
[10:36] <zakame> ajmitch__: thank you! :)
[10:36] <dholbach_> ajmitch__: the only problem i see in motu-land, that we have a bad wow-we-can-do-it/we've-done-it ratio
[10:36] <ajmitch__> zakame: if I can't, I'll ask sistpoty or siretart to
[10:36] <dholbach_> anyone has a problem with review day on 10/11th?
[10:37] <ajmitch__> nope
[10:37] <ajmitch__> I'll run that motu school session the same day
[10:39] <zakame> ajmitch__: sure, no prob :)
[10:40] <dholbach_> i will ask the motu list, if they agree with 10/11th and i'll announce it on wednesday
[10:40] <dholbach_> that should be enough
[10:41] <ajmitch__> dholbach_: ok
[10:41] <ajmitch__> dholbach_: what do you think of motu school time?\
[10:41] <ajmitch__> is 0800 UTC saturday too early?
[10:41] <dholbach> ajmitch__: sounds fine
[10:41] <dholbach> that's 9:00 in germany
[10:42] <dholbach> dunno how that suits everybody
[10:42] <dholbach> make an announce/request-for-comments on ubuntu-motu@
[10:42] <Seveas> the americans will hate it :)
[10:42] <dholbach> let's try to detach from IRC
[10:42] <ajmitch__> Seveas: it's 9pm for me
[10:42] <StevenK> Hrm. MOTU School?
[10:42] <ajmitch__> I can't have it too much later
[10:42] <ajmitch__> StevenK: yeah, you should teach people stuff
[10:42] <StevenK> How to merge stuff, etc?
[10:43] <ajmitch__> the 1st session was how to use patch, diff, etc
[10:43] <ajmitch__> and I've been coerced into showing people how to do a package from scratch
[10:43] <ajmitch__> which I am not really ready for yet :)
[10:43] <ajmitch__> zakame: login to revu, you should be a reviewer now
[10:43] <ajmitch__> I'm glad you remember
[10:44] <ajmitch__> since I haven't been shown ;)
[10:44] <dholbach> ajmitch__: would you mail ubuntu-motu@ if you want to have comments for the time?
[10:44] <ajmitch__> dholbach: sure
[10:44] <dholbach> cool
[10:45] <zakame> ajmitch__: ok, will try that later, Ill be movin' :)
[10:46] <ajmitch__> cool :)
[10:47] <StevenK> ajmitch__: It was a stupid little package called 'tractorgen'
[10:47] <StevenK> A'la cowsay
[10:47] <ajmitch__> heh
[10:47] <ajmitch__> I'm thinking of doing a package I maintain
[10:47] <ajmitch__> since I know the general problems that might arise with it
[10:48] <ajmitch__> one that hasn't had an upload for a year or so
[10:48] <dholbach> ubuntu-motu has 83 members, universe-bugs 37
[10:48] <dholbach> :)
[10:48] <StevenK> I can probably pick random perl module off CPAN.
[10:48] <StevenK> (My qa page will tell you why. :-)
[10:48] <ajmitch__> yes, I've seen yours :)
[10:48] <ajmitch__> mine is a simple C program
[10:48] <StevenK> Which reminds me, I so need to O/request removal for python-gendoc.
[10:48] <ajmitch__> GNU maintainer, uses autoconf, automake
[10:49] <ajmitch__> you don't use it?
[10:49] <ajmitch__> or it's so badly obsolete now?
[10:49] <StevenK> python-gendoc? Right, and right again.
[10:49] <StevenK> I need to see if anyone actually uses it.
[10:49] <siretart> ajmitch__: whats about me?
[10:50] <ajmitch__> siretart: sorry, was doing some revu maintenance on tiber :)
[10:50] <TheMuso> Reading through https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUToMerge I don't quite understand what is required: Title: <sourcepackage-name>: merge new debian version - I don't understand what the new debian version bit at the end of the line is supposed to mean. SOme help would be appreciated, thanks.
[10:50] <ajmitch__> I got it done successfully
[10:50] <ajmitch__> TheMuso: the text remains like that
[10:50] <TheMuso> I have also tried to search for packages that have been merged in malone and can't find bugs of a similar title.
[10:50] <StevenK> Blah. 470 people have it installed, according to popcon
[10:50] <ajmitch__> TheMuso: I'll show you an example..
[10:50] <ajmitch__> malone 5000
[10:50] <Ubugtu> Malone bug #5000: cmfsin (Ubuntu) - zope-cmfsin: merge new debian version In: zope-cmfsin (Ubuntu), Severity: Normal, Assigned to: MOTU Merge Team, Status: New https://launchpad.net/bugs/5000
[10:50] <StevenK> TheMuso: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/slides/+bug/5377
[10:50] <Ubugtu> Malone bug #5377: slides: merge new debian version In: slides (Ubuntu), Severity: Normal, Assigned to: MOTU Merge Team, Status: New https://launchpad.net/bugs/5377
[10:51] <StevenK> Yeah, thanks Ubugtu.
[10:51] <ajmitch__> 5000 is just far more memorable :)
[10:51] <StevenK> How did you manage #5000? :-P
[10:51] <ajmitch__> I filed a batch of about 30 at once
[10:52] <StevenK> Ah.
[10:52] <siretart> ajmitch__: no problem
[10:52] <ajmitch__> I grabbed all those that I knew I'd touch
[10:52] <StevenK> ajmitch__: Did you look at moin yet, or does it scare you? :-)
[10:53] <ajmitch__> it scares me a lot
[10:53] <StevenK> Oh, bugger. I didn't file a bug in the BTS.
[10:53] <ajmitch__> heh
[10:54] <StevenK> I so wrote a script that uses it.
[10:55] <JohnnyMast> Seveas, ping
[10:55] <TheMuso> The way those bugs are titled doesn't match the way it is mentioned on the wiki page as far as I can tell.
[10:56] <StevenK> TheMuso: I grabbed lpbugs from bzr - it does all this for you.
[10:56] <ajmitch__> TheMuso: they do match
[10:56] <ajmitch__> Ubugtu just reports all the other fields as well
[10:59] <TheMuso> Sorry, was looking too far down the page.
[11:02] <TheMuso> I have noticed that the bugs that were mentioned were from those who had upload privs. I understand that I have to put my name in as the person who is going to do the merge. What do I have to do to get it reviewed/submitted?
[11:02] <ajmitch__> you reassign it to motureviewers
[11:03] <TheMuso> And what about the merge stuff itself?
[11:03] <ajmitch__> at least I understand that is the new practice
[11:03] <ajmitch__> hm?
[11:03] <ajmitch__> we'd review a debdiff that you'd put on launchpad
[11:03] <ajmitch__> plenty of merge bugs on launchpad are done without upload privileges
[11:04] <TheMuso> uh ok.
[11:05] <JohnnyMast> i wish there was better docs on merge
[11:06] <JohnnyMast> i still dont get it
[11:06] <JohnnyMast> bug fixing isnt so hard
[11:06] <ajmitch__> there's not much that can be documented apart from normal packaging procedure
[11:06] <ajmitch__> merging just requires that you understand that changes that have been made
[11:06] <StevenK> TheMuso: I don't have upload rights, and I file bugs.
[11:07] <StevenK> And can package stuff into .debs
[11:08] <TheMuso> What are the debdiff files in the ongoing-merge package directories for then? They are not mentioned in the REPORT files.
[11:08] <JohnnyMast> mege is repacking new versions of a released version from ubuntu to debian
[11:09] <JohnnyMast> ??
[11:09] <ajmitch__> JohnnyMast: merging is bring in changes that debian have made, including new upstream versions
[11:09] <JohnnyMast> ah + repacking ofcource
[11:09] <ajmitch__> repacking?
[11:10] <JohnnyMast> yes as you aply`ed the changes
[11:10] <ajmitch__> ?
[11:10] <ajmitch__> please explain what you mean :)
[11:10] <JohnnyMast> well
[11:10] <JohnnyMast> i made the changes
[11:10] <JohnnyMast> and do i add the debdiff to the bug as well ?
[11:10] <ajmitch__> yes..
[11:11] <JohnnyMast> aaah
[11:11] <JohnnyMast> bingo
[11:11] <JohnnyMast> do i have to rebuild a new deb from the source or download the new version from debian and add the ubuntu versions
[11:12] <ajmitch__> whatever works :)
[11:12] <ajmitch__> MoM provides debdiffs for you
[11:12] <ajmitch__> that already have the debian changes & the ubuntu changes merged
[11:12] <ajmitch__> at least a best-effort that is done by a script
[11:12] <JohnnyMast> oooh nice
[11:12] <ajmitch__> sometimes I'd grab the debian source & apply ubuntu changes that still apply manually
[11:13] <ajmitch__> but not often
[11:13] <JohnnyMast> ahh that sounds interesting
[11:13] <JohnnyMast> but how about the versioning ?
[11:14] <ajmitch__> what about it?
[11:14] <JohnnyMast> is it the same as with bugs ?
[11:14] <ajmitch__> you follow the normal versioning
[11:14] <ajmitch__> any ubuntu changes get an ubuntuX suffix
[11:14] <JohnnyMast> because suppose you have version 1.0.0 in ubuntu
[11:14] <JohnnyMast> like it was old
[11:14] <ajmitch__> so debian 1.2.3-4 becomes 1.2.3-4ubuntu1
[11:14] <TheMuso> I may come back to it again later. I am rather confused, and a little frustrated. Thanks for all your help so far.
[11:15] <JohnnyMast> then the maintainer released 1.3.0
[11:15] <JohnnyMast> and i have to merge that
[11:15] <dholbach> TheMuso: what goes wrong?
[11:15] <ajmitch__> you mean, ubuntu has 1.0.0-1ubuntu1, debian has 1.3.0-1?
[11:15] <JohnnyMast> yes
[11:15] <JohnnyMast> exactly
[11:15] <ajmitch__> then we'd get 1.3.0-1ubuntu1 if there are changes to keep
[11:16] <ajmitch__> which is what the merged.debdiff has as versioning from MoM
[11:16] <JohnnyMast> how does that MoM work ?
[11:16] <ajmitch__> black magic
[11:16] <ajmitch__> & patching
[11:16] <JohnnyMast> link me :)
[11:16] <ajmitch__> it grabs the common ancestor of the ubuntu & the new debian version, and does a 3-way merge, as I understand it
[11:17] <ajmitch__> and then does some magic to rearrange the changelog
[11:17] <ajmitch__> I don't have any adequate links, sorry :)
[11:17] <JohnnyMast> is it a own written stript or is it a universe package ?
[11:17] <ajmitch__> script
[11:17] <ajmitch__> I haven't seen the source myself, though it's probably available
[11:17] <JohnnyMast> MoM
[11:18] <JohnnyMast> hmm
[11:18] <JohnnyMast> should not be so hard to create ur self
[11:18] <ajmitch__> no
[11:18] <ajmitch__> but why duplicate what is written?
[11:19] <ajmitch__> I was going to write my own, but I decided that I didn't care about it quite that much ;)
[11:19] <JohnnyMast> well since i dont see it amongs the packages and you dont have it
[11:19] <JohnnyMast> and btw it was just an idea :)
[11:28] <dholbach> siretart: could you look at the mail header of one of the reviewers-mails?
[11:29] <dholbach> siretart: it implicitly mentions universe-bugs@, which seems problematic
[11:29] <siretart> dholbach: I subscribed universe-bugs to the motureviewers@tauware.de
[11:30] <dholbach> siretart: the problem is the implicitly mentioning
[11:30] <dholbach> universe-bugs@ is not in CC/To
[11:30] <dholbach> which mailman/mailserver/whoever doesn't like
[11:30] <siretart> oh. hm
[11:30] <dholbach> so i have to manually approve those mails
[11:30] <dholbach> there were not that many yet
[11:30] <ajmitch__> ouch
[11:30] <dholbach> just as a headsup
[11:30] <siretart> dholbach: could you whiltelist motureviewers in mailman?
[11:31] <dholbach> universe-bugs is unmoderated
[11:31] <dholbach> that's not the problem
[11:31] <siretart> dholbach: it is moderated for non reviewers
[11:31] <dholbach> ?
[11:31] <siretart> dholbach: you can whitelist people in mailman under 'sender-lists'
[11:31] <dholbach> universe-bugs has no restrictions who posts to it
[11:32] <siretart> but you say you have to manually approve it
[11:32] <dholbach> To/CC/BCC are fine
[11:32] <dholbach> look at the header again
[11:32] <siretart> hm
[11:32] <siretart> I will after lunch, okay?
[11:32] <siretart> the ppl are going now
[11:32] <dholbach> take your time
[11:32] <dholbach> as i said, it's not ultra urgent
[11:32] <dholbach> and thanks a lot
[11:32] <siretart> ok. will look into it
[11:40] <TheMuso> dholbach: Just trying to get my head around the merge process, and am getting a little confused by the various files found in the directory of the package that I am looking into merging, i.e the debdiffs in particular, as they are not mentioned in the REPORT file.
[11:40] <StevenK> TheMuso: debdiffs are just a patch file with a different extension. And generated by a different tool, to boot.
[11:41] <TheMuso> StevenK: I am aware of that, but what use are the debdiff files inside the directory? The report explains what the other files are for, but not the debdiffs.
[11:42] <minghua> TheMuso: if the debdiffs are generated from the currect versions, they show the (previous) ubuntu changes, the debian changes since last merge, and the automatic merges
[11:43] <StevenK> TheMuso: For completeness' sake, I suspect.
[11:43] <StevenK> ajmitch__: Can you request a sync of slides. It builds fine, installs fine, and works with both python2.3 and python2.4
[11:44] <JohnnyMast> is some one working on pure-admin ?
[11:45] <StevenK> pure-admin isn't a binary package name.
[11:46] <TheMuso> Is anybody working on partimage?
[11:46] <JohnnyMast> i want to do my first merge
[11:46] <TheMuso> Before I try and take the plunge to do a merge?
[11:47] <JohnnyMast> TheMuso not me
[11:47] <StevenK> TheMuso: It's marked on http://revu.tauware.de/~sistpoty/MoM/index.py?state=new as Unassigned, so go for it.
[11:48] <StevenK> TheMuso: I'd suggest you file a bug in launchpad before working on it, just so someone else doesn't duplicate your work.
[11:48] <TheMuso> StevenK: I saw that, just double-checking.
[11:48] <TheMuso> Ok.
[11:49] <ajmitch__> hi dredg
[11:49] <dredg> howdy
[11:49] <JohnnyMast> but pureadmin is a package :)
[11:50] <StevenK> JohnnyMast: Ah. The lack of dash is important.
[11:51] <JohnnyMast> yeah well its odd because the rest in pure is dash seperated
[11:52] <StevenK> s/at/to/
[11:53] <minghua> \sh: got enough sleep?
[11:53] <\sh> no
[11:54] <StevenK> You can never get enough sleep.
[11:55] <TheMuso> Another question. The only dropped patch hunk for the package I am working on appears to be a change that is in the Ubuntu package included in that directory already. Where do I go from here?
[11:56] <StevenK> TheMuso: If you have a look at the _merged.patch, you'll notice that the only change is the changelog.
[11:56] <StevenK> TheMuso: I'd suggest you build the stock Debian package in a dapper chroot, install it and test it.
[11:56] <TheMuso> Ok
[11:56] <ajmitch__> morning \sh
[11:56] <StevenK> TheMuso: If it doesn't require any changes, then it's a sync (which a MOTU needs to request), not a merge.
[11:57] <StevenK> Speaking of requesting a sync.
[12:05] <raphink> hi there :)
[12:06] <TheMuso> Does one assign the bug after it has been added?
[12:07] <StevenK> Mine are assigned to motumergers, with myself subscribed.
[12:07] <TheMuso> Yes but do you have to do that after the bug is added?
[12:07] <StevenK> If you used lpbugs, no.
[12:08] <TheMuso> How do I know if I am using that?
[12:08] <StevenK> Well, how did you file the bug? lpbugs is a script you run.
[12:08] <siretart> dholbach: ok I'm back now
[12:08] <TheMuso> Where does one get the script?
[12:10] <StevenK> Use bzr to checkout from http://tiber.tauware.de/~shermann/motu-tools/
[12:14] <TheMuso> Where can one find a quick rundown on how to check out repositories? I remember reading it ages ago, but can't remember.
[12:15] <ajmitch__> bzr branch  http://tiber.tauware.de/~shermann/motu-tools/
[12:15] <ajmitch__> the bzr version in dapper (and possibly breezy) should be recent enough
[12:16] <TheMuso> Ok thanks.
[12:35] <slomo_> good morning everybody :)
[12:35] <slomo_> siretart: ping?
[12:36] <siretart> slomo_: pong
[12:36] <siretart> morning, Sebastian
[12:37] <dholbach> hey slomo_
[12:37] <dholbach> slomo_: did you ever manage to let thoggen encode a *full* movie? :)
[12:37] <slomo_> siretart: about mplayer... i think we have to get a cvs snapshot... i tried to incorporate a newer ffmpeg to fix some problems this weekend and gave up now... it compiles but doesn't work :( what do you think?
[12:38] <slomo_> dholbach: sadly, no... :( it stops at some point for you?
[12:38] <dholbach> slomo_: yes
[12:38] <dholbach> using full memory and full swap
[12:38] <slomo_> dholbach: i've already written a bugreport to upstream but it seems like my mail disappeared...normally he answers ~1 day later... i'll resend it later
[12:38] <dholbach> (1,5g total)
[12:38] <dholbach> yeah, same here
[12:38] <dholbach> apart from that, it rocks
[12:39] <dholbach> it's nice, it just works :)
[12:39] <slomo_> yes... only theora is a bit slow with encoding ;)
[12:39] <dholbach> i could live with that, if it'd work
[12:39] <slomo_> dito
[12:39] <slomo_> i'll resend the mail now in the time i wait for siretarts answer ;)
[12:39] <dholbach> merci beuaoucp
[12:39] <slomo_> *sigh* evolution freeze
[12:40] <ajmitch__> ah, 1001 zope merges
[12:40] <ajmitch__> at least they'll all be easy enough
[12:40] <ajmitch__> actually it's only 40 assigned to me ;)
[12:42] <dholbach> ajmitch__: DO IT! :)
[12:42] <ajmitch__> dholbach: yeah, I've done 1, most of them are QA group orphaning the package
[12:42] <ajmitch__> & random debconf changes which we don't use anymore
[12:42] <dholbach> sounds like serious updates we should get in :)
[12:42] <ajmitch__> oh yeah
[12:42] <dholbach> good to have you working on that serious stuff
[12:43] <dholbach> :)
[12:43] <ajmitch__> haha
[12:43] <ajmitch__> hey I uploaded scummvm today
[12:43] <slomo_> what is zope btw? ;)
[12:43] <ajmitch__> that's serious ;)
[12:43] <dholbach> scummvm is
[12:43] <dholbach> ;)
[12:43] <dholbach> no doubt
[12:43] <ajmitch__> slomo_: pure uncut crack
[12:43] <ajmitch__> slomo_: hint, launchpad uses zope 3 ;)
[12:44] <slomo_> ok, so it's something powerful ;)
[12:44] <ajmitch__> it's a massive python web app framework
[12:44] <ajmitch__> & I mean massive :)
[12:44] <ajmitch__> these 40 packages are zope products, which plug in to extend functionality in some way
[12:44] <ajmitch__> all done in python
[12:44] <siretart> slomo_: you know mplayer way better than me. I know that the mplayer guys are crazy with their release, so I have no problem in taking a cvs snapshot
[12:45] <siretart> zope is really cool crack: a really good free and scalable application server for python applications
[12:45] <ajmitch__> dholbach: sorry if I take all the easy merges ;)
[12:45] <siretart> the ubuntu website is also zope, more specific: plone, which is a zope app
[12:46] <dholbach> ajmitch__: don't worry
[12:46] <JohnnyMast> guys i still dont get the merges
[12:46] <slomo_> siretart: ok, the biggest problem will be to get a somewhat stable revision... i'll try to get one later, otherwise on wednesday
[12:46] <ajmitch__> my poor brain can't handle any more ;)
[12:46] <slomo_> siretart: i should've counted the hours i'm now already working on mplayer ;)
[12:47] <JohnnyMast> do i have to asign a merge to me as like a bug ?
[12:47] <ajmitch__> JohnnyMast: no, not to you
[12:47] <ajmitch__> JohnnyMast: use the lpbugs.py script
[12:48] <JohnnyMast> :|
[12:48] <JohnnyMast> where ?
[12:48] <ajmitch__> JohnnyMast: see above, where we showed TheMuso
[12:49] <JohnnyMast> ooh i see
[12:49] <JohnnyMast> ty
[12:49] <slomo_> dholbach: uh oh... on the thoggen mailinglist are millions of breezy bugreports =) i wonder why we didn't get a single one in malone
[12:53] <dholbach> wow
[12:53] <dholbach> there were some
[12:53] <dholbach> like 2-3
[12:54] <siretart> slomo_: I see.. hm
[12:55] <slomo_> dholbach: it would be good if the owner of the latest changelog entry and the maintainer could be mailed if their address is registered in LP when a bug on their product is filed ;)
[12:55] <TheMuso> Ok once I have identified what the problem is in a dropped hunk for a merge, whats the next step? Do I modify the dropped hunk, and patch it in somewhere and then debdiff the debian and Ubuntu versions?
[12:58] <slomo_> siretart: but np, i'll do it :)
[12:58] <slomo_> siretart: i advocated your mplayer-skin package
[12:59] <siretart> slomo_: cool :)
[12:59] <siretart> slomo_: it was rather a proposal on a package, your mplayer package could depend on
[12:59] <siretart> slomo_: I think we should upload mplayer-skins together with your mplayer package
[12:59] <slomo_> siretart: i'm already depending on it locally ;)
[01:00] <siretart> and it does already work? cool :)
[01:00] <slomo_> in fact i didn't try it yet... i used the nogui package for my tests :P
[01:00] <slomo_> but i'll try later
[01:00] <siretart> hehe
[01:01] <siretart> I think it should
[01:01] <slomo_> i see no reason why it shouldn't work :) only change the default skin to blue
[01:01] <siretart> thats just a symlink, no big thing
[01:01] <slomo_> yes
[01:02] <siretart> hey jdong_
[01:02] <jdong_> hey siretart
[01:02] <slomo_> hi jdong_ :)
[01:02] <jdong_> are there any devs here familiar with kompose?
[01:02] <jdong_> I'm trying to do the unthinkable....
[01:02] <jdong_> run Kompose under GNOME
[01:02] <jdong_> everything works SURPRISINGLY well (passive screenshots and all)
[01:03] <Gloubiboulga> hi
[01:03] <jdong_> except the initial draw... the background is not painted
[01:03] <jdong_> so you see traces of all the old windows lying around
[01:03] <jdong_> HOWEVER, if you press the hotkey TWICE, the background color draws in correctly
[01:03] <siretart> jdong_: have you tried in in a dapper environment?
[01:04] <jdong_> siretart: no; would it be any different?
[01:04] <jdong_> siretart: I did try backporting Kompose/dapper but it did no good
[01:05] <siretart> jdong_: well. you could see if it works in dapper. without that test, there is no point in backporting it at all
[01:05] <siretart> that is, without having a working version in dapper, there is no point
[01:06] <jdong_> kompose works very well under KDE, Dapper or Breezy
[01:06] <jdong_> it's just under GNOME, the background color does not draw in
[01:06] <jdong_> what's supposed to draw is the background wallpaper
[01:07] <jdong_> I'm just wondering if the KDE fn for getting the root pixmap doesn't work under GNOME?
[01:07] <jdong_> (I'm not a fluent KDE or GNOME programmer....)
[01:08] <jdong_> so is there a more universal way of getting a root pixmap rather than the KDE API?
[01:14] <siretart> sorry, never tried kompose
[01:15] <slomo_> jdong_: what do you mean with root pixmap?
[01:18] <jdong_> slomo_: background wallpaper
[01:18] <jdong_> slomo_: Kompose grabs the wallpaper and uses it as its full-screen background image
[01:19] <slomo_> jdong_: that's nothing GNOME/KDE specific afaik
[01:19] <jdong_> slomo_: I believe unless my memory fails me that kompose calls a KDE function to do so
[01:19] <jdong_> slomo_: I thought there has got to be an X11 API to accomplish that
[01:27] <jdong_>  desktopBgPixmap->loadFromShared( pixmapName(currentDesktop) );
[01:27] <jdong_> ^^^ looks pretty KDE specific to me :)
[01:27] <jdong_> komposeglobal.cpp
[01:34] <zakame> evening all
[01:37] <zakame> ajmitch: thanks for adding me as reviewer :)
[01:38] <slomo_> hi zakame
[01:41] <zakame> hi slomo_ :)
[01:42] <slomo_> hm, when a non-motu prepared a debdiff for a merge the bug must be assigned to the motu reviewers team?
[01:46] <zakame> yup, and that's what I'm still doing ;)
[01:46] <mpathy> Hi There
[01:47] <zakame> hey mpathy :)
[01:47] <mpathy> I am searching lighttpd in the repository.. Is it possible that it isnt there *wondering* :)
[01:47] <mpathy> zakame: hi :)
[01:48] <zakame> mpathy: I'm still working on it :( I was quite busy in past, contributing to merges
[01:51] <zakame> though I would very much appreciate if anyone can help in the packaging
[01:52] <Kyral> lighttpd?
[01:53] <mpathy> Kyral: Its like apache but more lightweight :)
[01:54] <Kyral> ah
[01:54] <mpathy> Kyral: The right thing for my ancient Server at home ;)
[01:54] <mpathy> Kyral: And also my second choice on a big server if there wouldnt be Apache
[01:55] <Kyral> Apache > all
[01:55] <zakame> a light httpd
[01:55] <mpathy> zakame: Great to hear that you are working on it
[01:56] <mpathy> zakame: Because its a great choice if you havent the ressources on a server. And it works fast with fastcgi
[01:57] <zakame> mpathy: :-) Because of you, I'm now inspired to working on it now :-)
[01:58] <JohnnyMast> guys im having this problem with lpbugs.py
[01:58] <JohnnyMast> http://pastebin.com/449485
[01:58] <mpathy> zakame: :)
[01:58] <mpathy> zakame: I not really a programmer, but, can I help you?
[02:00] <TheMuso> Where do I have to apply changes to a package where the only dropped hunk has to do with different package names in ubuntu to Debian?
[02:00] <zakame> mpathy: sure! :) you could test lighttpd once it hits REVU :-)
[02:00] <mpathy> zakame: because I think thats really the next best option for a web server. all other alternatives in the repository arent that great.
[02:01] <mpathy> zakame: okay! how can I get a reminder when that happens?
[02:02] <zakame> mpathy: yup, that's why I was gung-ho to work on it at the first place... there was already someone in Debian who's supposed to be working on packaging it, but it has been stalled :(
[02:03] <zakame> mpathy: are you subscribed to lighttpd-users?  If so I'll announce there, so other people who are also on Ubuntu can test it as well
[02:05] <mpathy> no, I'm such a newbie that I didnt get mailing list managed in my mail client so I only have 1-2 subscribed *gg*
[02:05] <mpathy> zakame: I will visit the revu page frequently, instead
[02:06] <zakame> mpathy: awww :( ok, just keep an eye out for it, then :)
[02:07] <JohnnyMast> can some one help me with lpbugs.py ?
[02:07] <lucas> JohnnyMast: wait 1 min
[02:08] <lucas> looking at it
[02:08] <JohnnyMast> ok
[02:09] <lucas> have you tried using "-n" instead of --new ?
[02:09] <lucas> maybe it's just a bug in the option parsing code
[02:09] <lucas> erm
[02:10] <JohnnyMast> yep
[02:10] <lucas> what does "apt-cache showsrc hula" says for you ?
[02:11] <slomo_> -n works ehre
[02:11] <slomo_> here
[02:11] <lucas> do you have some Sources urls in your /etc/apt/sources.list ?
[02:12] <JohnnyMast> it shows nothing
[02:12] <lucas> ok, that's the problem
[02:12] <zakame> welcome back all :D
[02:13] <lucas> grep -E "^deb-src" /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:13] <lucas> ?
[02:13] <JohnnyMast> 3 reps
[02:14] <lucas> well, maybe you should apt-get update then
[02:14] <lucas> do other apt-cache shows work ?
[02:14] <lucas> showsrc I mean
[02:14] <JohnnyMast> http://pastebin.com/449498
[02:14] <lucas> you need sources lists for universe too
[02:14] <JohnnyMast> i always do apt-get source when i need src
[02:15] <lucas> you only have main & restricted
[02:15] <JohnnyMast> whats the ded-src for universe ?
[02:15] <zakame> erm, I really think lpbugs shouldn't try to use the installed deb-srcs, but try to verify src from packages.u.c ... then again, that would be slow :(
[02:16] <zakame> deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper/universe
[02:16] <JohnnyMast> ty
[02:17] <zakame> s#dapper/universe#dapper universe#
[02:17] <JohnnyMast> added
[02:17] <lucas> then apt-get update, and it should work
[02:18] <JohnnyMast> ok
[02:18] <zakame> drop the last slash
[02:19] <JohnnyMast> updating ...
[02:19] <JohnnyMast> w000t !
[02:19] <raphink> :)
[02:19] <JohnnyMast> works :)
[02:20] <TheMuso> JohnnyMast: Good to hear.
[02:20] <zakame> JohnnyMast: cool!
[02:21] <JohnnyMast> jeej jeeej jeeej :D
[02:22] <raphink> would any of you find a tool like this useful ? http://raphink.myftp.org/pbuilderlist/
[02:23] <raphink> (this is a tool for lazy devs ;))
[02:24] <mpathy> zakame: got another tester who also uses the debian builds in ubuntu. his nickname is housetier
[02:24] <raphink> let me know your opinion (on the idea, the script being very basic so far)
[02:24] <raphink> bbl
[02:25] <zakame> mpathy: ooh! that's good :)
[02:39] <JohnnyMast> hmm guys if the merge report doesnt show up in malone or email
[02:39] <JohnnyMast> could it be my emaiil settings are wrong and i have to retry it ?
[02:39] <JohnnyMast> (using lpbugs.py)
[02:41] <zakame> JohnnyMast: er prolly it hasn't reached malone yet, have you used your own smtp
[02:41] <JohnnyMast> yeah smtp.rosiello.org
[02:46] <JohnnyMast> i dont know how long this normaly takes
[02:52] <zakame> hi Fuddl
[02:52] <Fuddl> hi zakame
[03:12] <JohnnyMast> uhmmm guys
[03:12] <JohnnyMast> question
[03:13] <JohnnyMast> im trying to merge hula
[03:13] <JohnnyMast> but the src dir on ubuntu contains a tar.gz file in it
[03:13] <JohnnyMast> the debian version has the src
[03:14] <JohnnyMast> i dont know what to do now
[03:15] <zakame> JohnnyMast: er have you tried building the ubuntu version?
[03:15] <JohnnyMast> no i just wanted to contact this place before i do something wrong
[03:15] <JohnnyMast> shall i show the differances of the dirs on pastebin ?
[03:16] <zakame> go ahead
[03:16] <JohnnyMast> ok hold on
[03:17] <JohnnyMast> http://pastebin.com/449546
[03:17] <zakame> checking
[03:18] <JohnnyMast> oki
[03:19] <zakame> hm debian's newer, so try building that first
[03:20] <zakame> and if it builds and works fine without ubuntu changes, you can mark this as pending sync
[03:20] <JohnnyMast> bebian builds
[03:20] <JohnnyMast> so i can extract the source and place it in hula-0.1.0+svn162
[03:21] <JohnnyMast> and build it from there
[03:25] <zakame> hm hula doens't have a MoM, strange
[03:25] <JohnnyMast> it has
[03:26] <JohnnyMast> and still unasgined
[03:26] <raphink> anyone wants to give me their opinion on a script?
[03:26] <zakame> and according to MoM logs hula doesn't even need a merge/sync, since it's not modified in Ubuntu
[03:26] <JohnnyMast> oooh
[03:26] <JohnnyMast> well i took it from revu
[03:27] <zakame> then again, looking at an `apt-cache showsrc hula` in my breezy chroot shows a change :(
[03:29] <zakame> hm lemme check the changelog
[03:30] <JohnnyMast> last changed for hoary
[03:30] <JohnnyMast> 8 april 2005
[03:32] <JohnnyMast> debian has standards version 3.6.2 ubuntu has 3.61
[03:32] <JohnnyMast> i dont know what that has to do with it
[03:33] <JohnnyMast> so what do i do now zakame ?
[03:33] <zakame> er the last change was from ogra, and it only adds a warning to the metapkg's desc
[03:34] <ogra> err, nope ?
[03:34] <ogra> i didnt make a change to hula ...
[03:34] <JohnnyMast> that was 8 apr
[03:35] <zakame> er, yes? http://packages.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/universe/h/hula/hula_0.1.0+svn162-2ubuntu1/changelog
[03:35] <ogra> might be that i made a mistake while changing the signature and overwrote the real name, but it should be herzi ...
[03:36] <ogra> hmm, at least i cant remember touching it at all ...
[03:36] <JohnnyMast> so i dont do anything now ?
[03:36] <nenolod> i'm interested in packaging some of the software i maintain for ubuntu :p
[03:36] <JohnnyMast> nenolod cool
[03:36] <nenolod> so, how do i go about doing this (and getting it into universe, for that matter)
[03:37] <zakame> hm, at any rate, its a small change, JohnnyMast could probably put this back in manually :)
[03:37] <raphink> nenolod: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/REVU
[03:37] <nenolod> excellent
[03:38] <raphink> nenolod: do you know how to package already?
[03:38] <zakame> JohnnyMast: or drop it altogether, if you think hula's ready for primetime
[03:38] <nenolod> raphink: i've built .deb's before
[03:38] <nenolod> ;p
[03:38] <raphink> ok good :)
[03:39] <JohnnyMast> yes but what do i do ? created the deb the debian way ?
[03:39] <zakame> nenolod: you can start by going to MOTUGettingIntoIt :D
[03:40] <zakame> JohnnyMast: yes, you touch the debian/control to put back the previous change in, make a new entry in debian/changelog, then debuild and see :)
[03:41] <JohnnyMast> the change that ogra made ?
[03:42] <zakame> yes
[03:43] <JohnnyMast> ok
[03:43] <zakame> hello Seveas :)
[03:44] <JohnnyMast> zakame thanks for your help
[03:44] <zakame> JohnnyMast: no prob :)
[03:44] <raphink> Riddell, siretart, dholbach are you around?
[03:44] <dholbach> raphink: yes
[03:44] <raphink> :)
[03:45] <raphink> dholbach: will you be at the CC tomorrow?
[03:45] <dholbach> yes
[03:45] <raphink> hehe
[03:45] <raphink> I'm presenting myself for membership :)
[03:45] <raphink> so I need support :)
[03:45] <zakame> raphink: go go go! :D
[03:45] <raphink> :)
[03:45] <raphink> huhu
[03:46] <raphink> zakame, dholbach : do you think something like this http://raphink.myftp.org/pbuilderlist/ could be useful as a motu tool?
[03:46] <raphink> (just a kind of mockup in a way, although it works)
[03:46] <zakame> checking
[03:47] <raphink> k
[03:47] <JohnnyMast> control seems up-to-date now
[03:48] <zakame> raphink: not bad, though I must say its a very simple tool, you probably could write it as a bash/zsh alias, though I could be wrogn
[03:48] <zakame> also I tend to use pdebuild, it so rocks :D
[03:48] <raphink> zakame: well it's rather the idea I'm interested in, like if such a tool (once more complete) could be useful
[03:49] <raphink> like to rebuild all KDE apps maintained by someone when kdelibs4c2 switches to kdelibs4c2a for example ;)
[03:49] <raphink> never used pdebuid
[03:49] <raphink> I should have a look at it some time
[03:54] <zakame> waah lucene doesn't build!!! :'(
[04:05] <JohnnyMast> zakame how long does it normaly take for a merge/buf to get listed on malone after you used lpbugs.py ?
[04:06] <zakame> JohnnyMast: er it should be instantaneous, but then again I'm using my own sendmail atm
[04:07] <JohnnyMast> maybe i should do that as well
[04:07] <JohnnyMast> and retry it
[04:07] <zakame> I don't have an smtp, my isp doesn't give one :(
[04:07] <JohnnyMast> one of my domains has one
[04:14] <JohnnyMast> hmmmm
[04:14] <JohnnyMast> mail doesnt install all filex
[04:14] <JohnnyMast> *files
[04:15] <JohnnyMast> hey Kryral wb
[04:16] <Kyral> hey
[04:16] <Kyral> I really have to learn how to use screen
[04:16] <Kyral> then I wouldn't have to do that
[04:16] <zakame> heya Kyral
[04:16] <Kyral> hey
[04:18] <zakame> screen so rocks
[04:18] <Kyral> yah no kiddin
[04:18] <Kyral> that quit was me SSHing into my box and killing the Irssi there so I could run it here on my laptop
[04:19] <zakame> awww
[04:19] <Amaranth> my vmware player snapshot died and i can't boot dapper anymore :(
[04:19] <Kyral> ouch
[04:19] <Kyral> take the plunge!
[04:20] <Amaranth> what plunge?
[04:20] <Amaranth> installing ubuntu at school and getting kicked out?
[04:21] <Kyral> oh lol
[04:21] <Kyral> I thought you were at home ;P
[04:22] <Amaranth> i have windows only dialup there
[04:23] <Kyral> ICK
[04:23] <Amaranth> and a winmodem that doesn't have free linux drivers
[04:23] <Kyral> can you hit it with something like ndiswrapper?
[04:24] <Amaranth> no, that's only for wireless drivers
[04:24] <Kyral> ah
[04:24] <Kyral> work of the devil winmodems are
[04:25] <zakame> Kyral: hehe so you say indeed
[04:26] <nomed> do you know where and if i can find ubuntu package of thunar?
[04:26] <Kyral> Nowhere
[04:37] <seth_k|away> nomed, are there any source releases of thunar, or is it SVN-only right now
[04:37] <nomed> preA has been released
[04:37] <Kyral> I think its still CVS only
[04:37] <nomed> svn
[04:37] <Kyral> same thing
[04:37] <seth_k|away> um
[04:37] <seth_k|away> no
[04:38] <seth_k|away> not nearly the same thing
[04:39] <seth_k|away> nomed, which one is called preA, I see about 6 tarballs
[04:39] <siretart> raphink: now I'm here, whats up?
[04:39] <Amaranth> seth_k|away: From a packaging point of view, yes, same thing.
[04:39] <nomed> http://foo-projects.org/pipermail/thunar-dev/2005-November/001489.html
[04:40] <nomed> http://thunar.xfce.org/download/releases/pre-alpha/
[04:41] <Kyral> fooo.....
[04:41] <Kyral> hehe
[04:41] <Kyral> I'm a little outta it lol
[04:46] <Kyral> gah my CS prof wants us to write a recursive function to find the max element in an array
[04:47] <lucas> and ?
[04:52] <\sh> some type of quicksort algo :) easy
[04:56] <seth_k|away> Bleh, that Kyral really rubs me wrong, but that's probably just me being too easily annoyed
[05:00] <zakame> good night all :)
[05:02] <JohnnyMast> good night
[05:16] <Gloubiboulga> hello (again)
[05:17] <JohnnyMast> hellow again Gloubiboulga :)
[05:17] <Gloubiboulga> I've been working on 2 merges (#5121 and #5319)
[05:17] <Gloubiboulga> The are waiting for a MOTU :)
[05:18] <Gloubiboulga> or 2...
[05:18] <JohnnyMast> cool
[05:18] <JohnnyMast> i wish i could say that, but my smtp is bitching me
[05:20] <\sh> siretart: ping
[05:20] <siretart> \sh: pong
[06:15] <JohnnyMast> quick question
[06:15] <Kyral> have I gotten myself in over my head with work? YES!
[06:16] <JohnnyMast> hula (0.1.0+svn379-2) unstable; urgency=low
[06:16] <JohnnyMast>  in DEBIAN becomes hula (0.1.0+svn379-2ubuntu1) dapper; urgency=low
[06:16] <JohnnyMast>  in ubuntu right ?
[06:16] <Kyral> I think so...
[06:16] <JohnnyMast> im not sure about the -2
[06:17] <JohnnyMast> ajmitch, ping
[06:18] <raphink> yes JohnnyMast that's it
[06:18] <raphink> first number is for debian version
[06:18] <kiko> hey JohnnyMast
[06:18] <kiko> I think I just sent you email :)
[06:18] <raphink> it's "$debianversion"ubuntu"$ubuntuversion"
[06:19] <JohnnyMast> yes but also including -2
[06:19] <JohnnyMast> the debian revision
[06:19] <jamessan|work> yes
[06:19] <ogra> yes
[06:19] <JohnnyMast> oki
[06:19] <JohnnyMast> thanks so mutch !
[06:19] <raphink> yes
[06:19] <raphink> hmm ... and yes too :)
[06:19] <ogra> and append the ubuntuX only if you really made a change ...
[06:19] <raphink> I thini
[06:19] <raphink> hink
[06:19] <raphink> argh think
[06:20] <Gloubiboulga> raphink, you need som coffee
[06:21] <Gloubiboulga> some*
[06:21] <Kyral> \sh_away: I sent the log from the Patch lesson
[06:22] <raphink> i'm having a tea Gloubiboulga
[06:22] <Gloubiboulga> :)
[06:23] <raphink> hehe
[06:32] <raphink> let me see Kyral :)
[06:42] <Kyral> wiki.ubuntu.com/ChrisPeterman
[06:44] <Kyral> damnit raphink
[06:44] <Kyral> not being where when I pasted the wiki address
[06:45] <Kyral> wiki.ubuntu.com/ChrisPeterman
[06:45] <Kyral> hey LJ
[06:45] <Kyral> ready for tomorrow?
[06:45] <LaserJock> hi Kyral
[06:45] <raphink> Kyral: what?
[06:46] <LaserJock> Kyral: pretty much. maybe a little tweaking on the wiki page yet ;-)
[06:46] <Kyral> raphink: you wanted to see my wiki no?
[06:46] <raphink> argh sorry :(
[06:46] <Kyral> LaserJock: I have mine pretty much done
[06:46] <raphink> I was trying to get composite work with fglrx, cannot get it :(
[06:47] <raphink> thanks Kyral
[06:47] <Kyral> thats because ATI sucks :P
[06:47] <raphink> mine is http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RaphaelPinson
[06:47] <raphink> I'll try to be Kyral :)
[06:48] <raphink> sure Kyral I'm looking at it :)
[06:48] <raphink> LaserJock: you're also apply tomorrow?
[06:48] <LaserJock> raphink: yep
[06:49] <Kyral> MOTUScience will become strong!
[06:49] <raphink> Kyral: hehe
[06:49] <raphink> nice wiki page you have Kyral  :)
[06:49] <Kyral> MOTU School this Saturday!
[06:49] <Kyral> Yea!!
[06:50] <raphink> I shall modify a few things on mine still
[06:50] <Kyral> Okay classtime
[06:51] <raphink> yeah :)
[06:51] <LaserJock> raphink: URL?
[06:51] <Riddell> raphink: hmm?
[06:51] <thierry_> where should go scientific packages in the menu??
[06:51] <raphink> LaserJock: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RaphaelPinson
[06:52] <raphink> Riddell: what?
[06:52] <raphink> thierry_: you mean education?
[06:53] <raphink> Riddell: what is it ?
[06:53] <LaserJock> thierry_: I think there is a science menu
[06:54] <thierry_> LaserJock : seriously? could me show me an app like that?
[06:55] <thierry_> LaserJock : by the way you could add the no .desktop files problems to your MOTU scienece team... a lot of math and sciences program have no .desktop file
[06:56] <LaserJock> thierry_: yes, unfortunately many science packages or either out-of-date or not very well maintained
[06:57] <Riddell> raphink: you pinged (at 14:44 UTC)
[06:57] <raphink> oh yes
[06:58] <raphink> that was to know if  you would be present tomorrow for the CC
[06:58] <thierry_> LaserJock : yeah... I'd like to help with that... but we still should add .desktop files problems to the TODO
[06:58] <thierry_> and for the menu thing... what should it be in the .desktop file? Categories=Application;Science; ?
[06:58] <LaserJock> thierry_: right, I'll add that to the MOTUScience wiki
[06:58] <thierry_> thanks :)
[07:00] <thierry_> LaserJack : so is it Categories=Application;Science; ? that should be said in the TODO because I was going to put it in education...
[07:01] <LaserJock> thierry_: well, if it is really education put it in education. However, I feel that most of the science packages do not belong in the education section.
[07:01] <LaserJock> thierry_: Application;Science; I think is fine
[07:02] <thierry_> LaserJock : cool, but we should tell the ubuntu-arts team (if there's any?) that we need icons for education and science menu... education doesn't have any
[07:03] <azeem> if there's no icon, couldn't that mean the section does not officially exist?  Can you just make up sections?
[07:04] <LaserJock> azeem: well ghemical is where I'm getting all this ;-) Yes it is offical for freedesktop.org
[07:04] <LaserJock> http://standards.freedesktop.org/menu-spec/latest/apa.html
[07:04] <azeem> ok
[07:05] <azeem> and the latest GNOME menu doesn't have an icon?  Then I would suggest filing a but in their bugzilla requestion one
[07:06] <LaserJock> azeem: hmm, not sure. I don't understand how the Gnome menu works
[07:07] <LaserJock> azeem: they only have a few catagories by default. or is it Ubuntu that's doing it?
[07:07] <azeem> LaserJock: they have the ones in the right-most column of that link you pasted, I think
[07:08] <LaserJock> sort of
[07:08] <azeem> if there are no applications in a particular category, I assume that one will not get displayed
[07:10] <LaserJock> azeem: btw, had ghemical been rebuilt for dapper? It shows up as no but everything else (libghemical, openbabel, mpqc, mopac7) are updated
[07:10] <azeem> I guess it needs a sync request
[07:10] <LaserJock> azeem: ok
[07:10] <thierry_> does the .desktop file get translated by default or we need to set something special for it? (like a happy maintainer that adds translation directly in the .desktop file?)
[07:11] <LaserJock> thierry_: I have no clue about that :(
[07:33] <LaserJock> ok, can a MOTU please verify that ghemical can be synced?
[07:33] <JohnnyMast> any one knows where xpm.h  comes from ?
[07:34] <azeem> JohnnyMast: there is a search facility for files/packages at packages.ubuntu.com
[07:34] <JohnnyMast> yeah for package names isnt it
[07:34] <azeem> also for fiels
[07:34] <azeem> eh, files
[07:34] <JohnnyMast> packages.ubuntu.com
[07:35] <azeem> http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?word=xpm.h&searchmode=searchfiles&case=insensitive&version=breezy&arch=i386
[07:36] <JohnnyMast> :)
[07:36] <JohnnyMast> thanks
[07:45] <LaserJock> thierry_: ok, I added a line under Goals in the MOTUScience page for .desktop files
[07:46] <LaserJock> any MOTUs taking me up on my offer or do I need to bug people again ;-)
[07:47] <crimsun> which offer?
[07:47] <LaserJock> I need somebody to verify the sync of ghemical
[07:47] <thierry_> LaserJock : thanks but you should add this link for the list of packages : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UniversePackageWithoutDesktopFile
[07:47] <LaserJock> thierry_: doh, your right
[07:49] <LaserJock> thierry_: done
[07:50] <crimsun> LaserJock: based on MoM output?
[07:51] <LaserJock> crimsun: no, it is a new upstream release. All of the deps have been synced already. I built it in a dapper pbuilder and all of the Ubuntu changes have been taken care of by azeem
[07:52] <crimsun> if you've verified it in a current pbuilder & chroot, that suffices
[07:53] <LaserJock> yep
[07:56] <JohnnyMast> for merge do you have to build the 2 packages ?
[07:56] <JohnnyMast> ow i think you do, thats prob the n00b question of the day
[07:58] <thierry_> LaserJock : I built geg wich I added the .desktop file but the category science doesn't appears in my applications list when I install the package... any idea why?
[07:59] <LaserJock> thierry_: see my discussion with Amaranth in -devel
[08:03] <JohnnyMast> i need some advice from ppl who do merging often
[08:04] <JohnnyMast> its about a debian package that doesnt compile
[08:05] <JohnnyMast> and its the one i should merge with
[08:11] <JohnnyMast> ::/
[08:12] <\sh> dholbach: ping
[08:12] <ajmitch> morning
[08:12] <dholbach> \sh: pong
[08:13] <\sh> dholbach: could you take a look on http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=20157 (the two attachments) and tell me if it looks like that gtk is bugging or xvfb or xauth?
[08:13] <Ubugtu> Ubuntu bug #20157: /usr/bin/xvfb-run is missing from package xvfb (build from xorg-server) Product: Ubuntu, Component: xvfb, Severity: normal, Assigned to: daniel.stone@ubuntu.com, Status: UNCONFIRMED http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=20157
[08:13] <ogra> xauth is broken ...
[08:13] <\sh> actually i don't think it's xauth...much more gtk or xvfb
[08:13] <ogra> (witjout looking at the bug=
[08:14] <ogra> i cant start a X server on thing clients because of xauth errors ...
[08:14] <ogra> since thin clients use the bare minimum X system its pretty sure xauth ...
[08:14] <\sh> ogra: let me have a look at xvfb-run if it's using it
[08:15] <ogra> feel free :)
[08:15] <\sh> my mood is not getting better....grmpf
[08:15] <ogra> come on, you'll get a amd64 soon
[08:16] <\sh> japp
[08:16] <\sh> xauth
[08:16] <\sh> bah
[08:16] <\sh> ogra: but no job in the near future
[08:16] <nenolod> moo
[08:16] <\sh> ajmitch: well..semperon kern
[08:16] <nenolod> sempron64 = win
[08:16] <nenolod> :P
[08:16] <\sh> whatever
[08:17] <\sh> 64bit is 64bit
[08:17] <Kyral> \sh: didja get the log I emailed?
[08:17] <\sh> Kyral: yeah...thx
[08:17] <dholbach> \sh: what about the "xml.parsers.expat" line in gaphor buildlog?
[08:18] <dholbach> \sh: did you introduce the xvfb-run-calls?
[08:18] <\sh> dholbach: no
[08:18] <dholbach> \sh: maybe it's a different command line call?
[08:18] <dholbach> did you try others?
[08:18] <dholbach> because i used it in other scripts already
[08:18] <\sh> dholbach: no
[08:18] <\sh> dholbach: it's the debian package
[08:19] <dholbach> maybe they have a different xvfb version?
[08:19] <dholbach> *shrug*
[08:19] <\sh> dholbach: libaqbanking is doing the same...but doesn't have python..only xvfb and gtk
[08:20] <\sh> dholbach: it's xauth
[08:20] <dholbach> i'd add the xvfb-run commands to the bug report in any case
[08:20] <dholbach> (i.e. what is called)
[08:20] <\sh> # Add here commands to install the package into debian/gaphor.
[08:20] <\sh> xvfb-run -a python setup.py install --no-compile --prefix /tmp/buildd/gaphor-0.7.1/debian/gaphor/usr
[08:21] <dholbach> to the bug report :)
[08:21] <\sh> u see it in the log#
[08:21] <dholbach> ok, in one of them
[08:21] <\sh> no in both
[08:21] <dholbach> *I*'d add them :)
[08:21] <\sh> cp g2banking.glade tmp.glade
[08:21] <\sh> ( cd tmp.glade && xvfb-run glade-2 -w g2banking.glade )
[08:21] <\sh> ** ERROR **: Failed to init GTK+
[08:21] <\sh> aborting...
[08:21] <\sh> /usr/bin/xvfb-run: line 153:  5102 Trace/breakpoint trap   DISPLAY=:$SERVERNUM XAUTHORITY=$AUTHFILE "$@" 2
[08:21] <ogra> Re-add xvfb-run to xfvb (closes: Ubuntu#20157).
[08:21] <\sh> >&1
[08:21] <dholbach> oh yeah
[08:21] <dholbach> over there
[08:21] <ogra> xorg-server 1:0.99.3-0ubuntu6
[08:22] <ogra> he didnt upload xauth yet
[08:22] <\sh> ogra: well it was missing..now I have a xauth boog
[08:22] <\sh> oh come on
[08:22] <ogra> yes, i have one too...
[08:22] <\sh> that's not true
[08:22] <ogra> be patient
[08:22] <\sh> badger badger badger badger badger mushroom mushroom ... SCHNAKE
[08:22] <ogra> xauth is in a separate package afaik
[08:23] <\sh> ogra: dep of xvfb
[08:24] <\sh> ogra: and installable...and has an executable
[08:24] <ogra> sue
[08:24] <Kyral> lol \sh thanks for reminding me of that dance at Ubuntu Love
[08:24] <ogra> sure
[08:24] <LaserJock> crimsun: can you ask elmo to sync ghemical for me?
[08:24] <ogra> but it might still look in the wrong paths ...
[08:25] <\sh> ogra: sad but true
[08:25] <\sh> I still sit on my last bugs
[08:31] <LaserJock> ok, can I get ogra|dholbach|\sh to tell elmo to sync ghemical for me?
[08:33] <Kyral> is this for MOTUScience?
[08:33] <\sh> LaserJock: done
[08:34] <LaserJock> \sh: ok, thanks
[08:34] <Kyral> LaserJock: isnt there a page someplace with sync status of Science packages or something likke that?
[08:34] <LaserJock> Kyral: kinda. I need ghemical for work and all it's deps got synced but it didn't
[08:35] <Kyral> I remember there is something that needed to be pulled in from Sid..
[08:35] <LaserJock> Kyral: on the MOTUScience page there is a link to some lists I created but they are getting stale
[08:36] <Kyral> yah it was a doc package...imlibview or something
[08:47] <JohnnyMast> do i use lpbugs as well to submit merge diffs ?
[08:47] <\sh> JohnnyMast: no...this you have to do via malone
[08:47] <JohnnyMast> ok
[08:48] <JohnnyMast> and non motu ppl like me dont have to sign it right ?
[08:52] <Kyral> signing is always good
[08:52] <JohnnyMast> i just posted it unsigned
[08:53] <Kyral> hmm, the qsynaptics package is broken somewhat...
[08:55] <JohnnyMast> :|
[08:55] <JohnnyMast> sendmail as well
[08:55] <Kyral> Its mumbling about SHMConfig
[08:55] <JohnnyMast> sendmail didnt install /usr/bin/mail for me
[08:56] <Kyral> as well as not seeing the installed Synaptics driver
[08:58] <Kyral> I don't even have an idea what "SHMConfig" is
[09:00] <JohnnyMast> lol
[09:00] <Kyral> all I wanna do is turn down the tap sensitivity lol
[09:24] <herve> heloo
[09:24] <herve> (argh)
[09:26] <LaserJock> dholbach: ping?
[09:34] <dholbach> LaserJock: pong
[09:34] <dholbach> herve: hellas
[09:34] <herve> hey daniel
[09:35] <ajmitch> hi
[09:41] <ajmitch> lifeless: started on opensync?
[09:49] <lifeless> yeah
[09:49] <Kyral> ajmitch: can't wait for the packaging tutorial
[09:51] <dholbach> have a nice evening
[09:51] <tseng> bye dholbach
[09:52] <crimsun> 'night, daniel
[09:54] <ajmitch> lifeless: great, so I don't have to worry about it now?
[09:54] <ajmitch> Kyral: yeah, I'm *really* looking forward to it..
[09:56] <LaserJock> ajmitch: I am as well, I am trying to rework the Ubuntu Packaging Guide and I expect to learn a lot from these motu-school sessions
[09:56] <ajmitch> no pressure on me, then :)
[09:57] <LaserJock> ajmitch: not really ;-)
[09:57] <LaserJock> ajmitch: we will just bathe in your greatness for a while and will be automagically better packagers *g*
[09:57] <ajmitch> spare me
[09:58] <LaserJock> ajmitch: seriously though, I think it will be great to see how other people package. There so many different ways to go about things
[09:59] <ajmitch> yes, but you'd do better with someone who knew what they were doing :)
[10:00] <LaserJock> ajmitch: you can't tell me you don't know more than me. The secret to teaching is to be just one step ahead of you students. Then they don't know how much you don't know ;-)
[10:01] <ajmitch> sigh
[10:01] <ajmitch> looks like I can't use the package I wanted to
[10:01] <ajmitch> well, I can if I wanted to rm the debian/ that comes with upstream
[10:02] <LaserJock> ajmitch: have you seen the hello packages?
[10:02] <ajmitch> yes
[10:03] <ajmitch> at least this package I built can never make it into the archive
[10:04] <ajmitch> since the version is lower than debian or ubuntu
[10:10] <LaserJock> what are the chances of getting a prog. that depends on Sun's JDK into Universe?
[10:10] <lifeless> azeem: hey
[10:11] <ajmitch> LaserJock: not high at all
[10:11] <lifeless> azeem: so Mikael Senneholm (mikan) is the maintainer for multisync right ? Do you know his thoughts on packaging opensync etc ?
[10:11] <lucas> LaserJock: you should investigate whether it works with a free JVM
[10:11] <ajmitch> if it works with a Free JVM, it should be ok
[10:11] <LaserJock> ajmitch: ok, that's what I thought. Just wanted to make sure.
[10:13] <azeem> lifeless: he's really pretty much MIA
[10:13] <azeem> lifeless: I haven't tried to contact him, though
[10:13] <lifeless> ok
[10:13] <lifeless> I'll email him now. Can I say we are forming a team to address *sync? (Thats fairly accurate I think(
[10:14] <azeem> I was just looking at multisync-0.8x again
[10:14] <azeem> lifeless: yeah
[10:14] <lifeless> your email ?
[10:14] <azeem> lifeless: you could ask him whether he wants to join, or if not, if he'd drop multisync for us to maintain as multisync-0.9x, or whether he preferes we start a new source package
[10:15] <azeem> mbanck@gmx.net
[10:15] <JohnnyMast> gys was this attached correctly ?? https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kvdr/+bug/5400
[10:15] <Ubugtu> Malone bug #5400: kvdr: merge new debian version In: kvdr (Ubuntu), Severity: Normal, Assigned to: MOTU Merge Team, Status: PendingUpload https://launchpad.net/bugs/5400
[10:15] <ajmitch> it'd be good to see some syncing in within a couple of weeks
[10:16] <lifeless> ajmitch: ECONTEXT
[10:16] <ajmitch> lifeless: sorry, the sync stuff
[10:16] <ajmitch> JohnnyMast: it's attached, but the debdiff totally tramples on the debian changes
[10:16] <lifeless> azeem: join #multusync - abuaer is around and we're talking packages
[10:17] <JohnnyMast> ajmitch what did i do wrong ?
[10:17] <ajmitch> JohnnyMast: your debdiff removes the debian changelog entries & various debian changes
[10:17] <JohnnyMast> i did debdiff <debian> <ubuntu>
[10:17] <JohnnyMast> hmm
[10:17] <ajmitch> doesn't always cut it
[10:18] <JohnnyMast> any idea for a fix ?
[10:18] <ajmitch> yes, see what changes are relevant from ubuntu & apply them
[10:18] <ajmitch> don't just rely on MoM output
[10:19] <JohnnyMast> well i build both packages and diffed them
[10:19] <lifeless> ajmitch: so do you want to be 'in the team' too ?
[10:19] <lifeless> ;)
[10:20] <ajmitch_> lifeless: sure, I volunteered for the sync stuff in -desktop a few days ago :P
[10:20] <lifeless> ah
[10:20] <lifeless> email for this ?
[10:20] <JohnnyMast> :/
[10:21] <lifeless> aj@ubuntu.com ?
[10:21] <ajmitch_> ajmitch@ubuntu.com
[10:22] <JohnnyMast> ajmitch_ i didnt realy had to apply changes
[10:23] <ajmitch> no, but you had a debian_dropped.patch
[10:23] <ajmitch> which you have to review
[10:23] <ajmitch> the changes in there are still relavent
[10:24] <ajmitch> as a note, look at what changes ubuntu did (adding build deps)
[10:24] <ajmitch> and the debian changelog
[10:24] <JohnnyMast> no ome mentioned that
[10:24] <ajmitch> it's mentioned in the REPORT file when you use MoM
[10:24] <lifeless> ok
[10:24] <lifeless> email sent
[10:24] <lifeless> BOMBS AWAY
[10:25] <JohnnyMast> sooo, http://people.ubuntu.com/~scott/ongoing-merge/kvdr/kvdr_debian-dropped.patch
[10:25] <ajmitch> yes
[10:25] <JohnnyMast> i got to apply that and then diff it ?
[10:25] <JohnnyMast> or am i wrong now ?
[10:25] <ajmitch> JohnnyMast: hint: the same changes were made in debian & ubuntu
[10:25] <ajmitch> with adding the build-deps
[10:25] <ajmitch> so ubuntu changes can most likely be dropped
[10:26] <JohnnyMast> so
[10:26] <JohnnyMast> next time i look @ the merge list on revu
[10:27] <JohnnyMast> i check the change log of debian and the dropped patch ?
[10:27] <ajmitch> you should always check what changes have been made
[10:27] <ajmitch> I've seen merges with no dropped patch hunks
[10:28] <ajmitch> which were still completely wrong
[10:28] <shawarma> I know I've asked this before, but who can comment in REVU?
[10:28] <Seveas> shawarma, anyone with an account I guess
[10:28] <ajmitch> shawarma: you can comment on your own packages, and reviewers can comment on all
[10:28] <lifeless> ok
[10:28] <Seveas> ah
[10:28] <ajmitch> something that will probably be changed for revu2
[10:28] <shawarma> ajmitch: And reviewers are... Who? MOTUs and who else?
[10:28] <Seveas> ajmitch, wouldn't it be useful if others can comment too?
[10:28] <lifeless> so a few bits of machinery: do we want to use alioth or launchpad, bzr or svn ?
[10:28] <ajmitch> MOTUs
[10:28] <ajmitch> bzr
[10:28] <shawarma> ajmitch: Who's raphink?
[10:29] <Seveas> bzr >> svn
[10:29] <lifeless> I'd like launchpad ;)
[10:29] <ajmitch> will launchpad have an area for bzr branches?
[10:29] <raphink> shawarma: it's me :)
[10:29] <lifeless> yes
[10:29] <lifeless> its called bazaar.launchpad.net ;)
[10:29] <shawarma> raphink: Are you a MOTU? I couldn't find your name on the list of MOTU's in LP?
[10:29] <ajmitch> ok, I thought it'd still be using baz :)
[10:29] <lifeless> not at all
[10:29] <ajmitch> just the supermirror is?
[10:30] <raphink> shawarma: i'm not a MOTU yet. I became a reviewer yesterday only and i'm a MOTU wanabee, applying for membership tomorrow :)
[10:30] <ajmitch> raphink: oh, who set you as reviewer?
[10:30] <shawarma> raphink: I see. No wonder you're name didn't ring a bell.
[10:30] <lifeless> azeem: ok with you? A team on launchpad, put its address down as the maintainer address is debian, use bzr for collaboration ?
[10:30] <Kyral> Thought you had to be MOTU before you could review
[10:30] <raphink> ajmitch : siretart did, together with dholbach
[10:30] <ajmitch> Kyral: that's the usual arrangement
[10:30] <shawarma> raphink: Well, I've replied to your comments on my packages in REVU. Upload ID's 990 and 991.
[10:30] <ajmitch> raphink: interesting
[10:31] <Kyral> so raphink mind looking over EasyChem ;P
[10:31] <ajmitch> lifeless: I had a phone very similar to yours, btw :)
[10:31] <lifeless> ajmitch: heh :)
[10:31] <ajmitch> k700i
[10:31] <azeem> lifeless: well, in general I don't have anything against that, but I wonder whether it is potentionlly alright to expect other DDs who might join to start a launchpad account
[10:31] <raphink> ajmitch : I began to review packages and send emails to both the packager and MOTUs. I reviewed 4 packages and the MOTUs I forwarded my work to thought they wanted to give me review rights on REVU
[10:32] <shawarma> ajmitch: If so, sign me up, too! It saddens me every time I look at that immense list of prospective fixes and new packages.
[10:32] <Kyral> raphink: you know what this means right?
[10:32] <raphink> ajmitch : I didn't ask for these rights myself ;)
[10:32] <raphink> Kyral: sorry?
[10:32] <Kyral> People are gonna bug you to review packages :P
[10:32] <raphink> what package is it shawarma ?
[10:33] <lifeless> azeem: well, on alioth we expect $randoms to get an account too. There are many more interested folk than just DD's.
[10:33] <shawarma> raphink: xmorph and waili
[10:33] <TheMuso> Question about package version numbering. Do I add to the version of the package from the directory? For example, if the package is 0.2.2a-2.1ubuntu1 in the directory where the merge was not completed, do I make a changelog entry with the version as 0.2.2a-2.1ubuntu2?
[10:33] <raphink> shawarma: ok
[10:33] <lifeless> azeem: seems to me we should use whatever toolchain will support us the most, and will let anyone interested collaborate *with* us.
[10:33] <raphink> Kyral: of course, but I want to do this job :) I began to review pacakges because I thought there was a need
[10:34] <raphink> I'll ahve a loko shawarma
[10:34] <Kyral> then can you look over EasyChem ;P
[10:34] <raphink> shawarma: being no MOTU, I can't advocate though ;)
[10:34] <azeem> lifeless: ok
[10:35] <lifeless> one this is, does alioth give mailing lists with archives? Launchpad does not at this point. (then again do we need that - the team does act as an alias to all the members)
[10:35] <shawarma> raphink: That's fine.
[10:35] <raphink> shawarma: don't advocate your own packages though ;)
[10:36] <azeem> lifeless: it does, but they are getting quite spammed ATM, OTOH
[10:36] <Kyral> gah
[10:37] <azeem> well, if you let non-subscribers post to them, that is
[10:37] <Kyral> new AIM worm hit my campus and it nuked the AIM network
[10:37] <shawarma> raphink: I thought about that.. I wasn't sure if commenting without advocating would decrease karma, so I went with the safer choice.
[10:37] <Kyral> if anyone wants to IM me use GTalk: C.Peterman@gmail.com
[10:38] <raphink> shawarma: packages are uploaded once a version is advocated twice, doesn't matter how many times it has been refused
[10:38] <raphink> shawarma: as of breezy-updates, breezy is frozen (MOTUs correct me if i'm wrong) so your package might only enter breezy through breezy-backports. So it has to be packaged for dapper
[10:39] <shawarma> raphink: there's -updates, too.
[10:39] <lifeless> so
[10:39] <shawarma> raphink: It's used for REALLY trivial and REALLY necessary fixes
[10:39] <raphink> ic
[10:39] <azeem> are you sure about the trivial?
[10:40] <ajmitch> lifeless: do you think mailing lists might be useful?
[10:40] <shawarma> azeem: Well, trivial helps a lot.
[10:41] <shawarma> azeem: If it's necessary enough the trivial part is less important, I guess.
[10:41] <lifeless> ajmitch: I'm not concerned myself, but we should agree with that in mind
[10:41] <raphink> ajmitch : can you bring some light about -updates?
[10:42] <ajmitch> not much light
[10:42] <raphink> Kyral: seems your package has been appreciated so far, and I can't advocate.
[10:43] <raphink> ajmitch : I mean, are some packages on REVU to enter breezy instead of dapper?
[10:43] <shawarma> -security is for security fixes, -backports are for backports (new versions), and -updates is for new revisions that fix something that is not security related.
[10:43] <raphink> ok
[10:43] <ajmitch> raphink: no, they most likely won't be on REVU
[10:43] <shawarma> -updates is rarely used, I guess.
[10:44] <raphink> so where should they be ajmitch?
[10:44] <ajmitch> there are plenty of packages uploaded to revu that date back before release
[10:44] <shawarma> None the less, I think it's dumb to have a b0rken xmorph and waili package in ubuntu during an entire release cycle.
[10:44] <ajmitch> raphink: everything that goes to -updates has to be manually reviewed by mdz
[10:44] <raphink> ajmitch : should packages on REVU always be packaged for dapper?
[10:44] <shawarma> ajmitch: EVen stuff in universe?
[10:45] <ajmitch> shawarma: certainly
[10:45] <raphink> agreed shawarma, but REVU might not be the place to upload then
[10:45] <ajmitch> raphink: usually, yes
[10:45] <raphink> ok
[10:45] <ajmitch> you could use it for breezy-updates if you really wanted to
[10:45] <ajmitch> but it'd still have to pass by mdz
[10:45] <shawarma> raphink: I might as well go for peer review before bugging mdz about it. He's a busy man.
[10:46] <ajmitch> shawarma: I recommend it
[10:46] <ajmitch> we try & have REVU for new packages, mainly
[10:47] <ajmitch> since anything that's a candidate for breezy-updates would have a bug anyway
[10:47] <shawarma> ajmitch: keep in mind, i'm not a MOTU.
[10:47] <raphink> Kyral: try to find a MOTU to advocate your package once more
[10:47] <shawarma> ajmitch: oh.. Yeah, that makes sense.
[10:48] <shawarma> ajmitch: WEll, I found the bug and just went ahead and fixed it. I didn't think about filing a bug report when I had the fix ready.
[10:48] <Kyral> Any MOTU with like 4 minutes to spare?
[10:48] <shawarma> Maybe I should get of my ass and apply for MOTUship as well.
[10:49] <raphink> Kyral: I'm also waiting for a MOTU to check about 10 of my packages on REVU, including some that have already been advocated ;)
[10:49] <Kyral> REVU day on Saturday
[10:49] <Kyral> according to the MOTU ML
[10:50] <raphink> yep :D
[10:50] <raphink> yes
[10:50] <raphink> saturday will be a nice day :)
[10:51] <shawarma> Heh.. the wiki says you should find a mentor. LOL! HAs anyone ever actally done that?
[10:51] <ajmitch> shawarma: what do you think this channel is for?
[10:51] <raphink> hehe
[10:51] <shawarma> ajmitch: I mean an actual mentor... Really? I've never heard of it.
[10:51] <Kyral> Its called asking how to patch and getting ambushed by 4 MOTUs
[10:51] <Kyral> ;P
[10:51] <raphink> the Debian equivalent to #ubuntu-motu is called #debian-mentors btw ;)
[10:52] <shawarma> raphink: I know. It's apparantly full of grumpy, old, busy men.
[10:52] <lifeless> azeem: ajmitch: sorrry, was distracted. where were we ?
[10:52] <ajmitch> lifeless: alioth vs launchpad
[10:52] <lifeless> ah right, launchpad - yes/no. If yes - we need a team name.
[10:52] <raphink> shawarma: LOL
[10:53] <shawarma> ajmitch: The channel is for bugging all the MOTUs at the same time. A mentor is more like a one-on-one person you bug about everything.. It might happen, I've just never heard of it.
[10:54] <azeem> debian-women has been doing that
[10:54] <ajmitch> I think launchpad could be ok, apart from the mailing lists which we may not need
[10:54] <ajmitch> the team name would have to be something like debian-opensync or similar
[10:54] <Kyral> Hopefully by this time tomorrow I will be a Member :D
[10:55] <ajmitch> too many launchpad teams have general names, which won't work for multiple distros
[10:55] <lifeless> yah
[10:56] <raphink> Kyral: :D
[10:56] <lifeless> azeem: happy with that (debian-opensync) ? for packaging all opensync/multisync/plugins etc at this point
[10:56] <shawarma> Who decides who can become MOTU's? It's the technical board, right?
[10:57] <ajmitch> shawarma: yes
[10:57] <raphink> shawarma: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUGettingIntoIt
[10:57] <shawarma> raphink: Thanks.
[10:57] <raphink> :)
[10:58] <ajmitch> lifeless: what would the maintainer address be?
[10:58] <azeem> lifeless: well, I don't know much about Launchpad, so I leave the decision to you guys
[10:58] <ajmitch> it'd be nice to see debian bugs in malone if we use launchpad
[10:58] <raphink> wb lucas
[10:59] <lucas> re
[10:59] <lucas> (***ing dsl provider ;)
[10:59] <raphink> tststs
[10:59] <ajmitch> lucas: I understand that..
[11:00] <herve> good night
[11:00] <raphink> yop Tonio_ ;
[11:00] <Tonio_> lut
[11:00] <raphink> :)
[11:00] <raphink> :)
[11:02] <xhaker> i'm puzzled
[11:02] <raphink> why xhaker ?
[11:02] <xhaker> why would ubuntu diff --disable-ssl on gftp ?
[11:03] <ajmitch> is gftp under the GPL?
[11:03] <azeem> xhaker: licensing issues, perhaps
[11:03] <xhaker> oh, we take the upstream, and it allows you to connect to ftps locations.. and what we're doing is disable that feature?
[11:03] <xhaker> azeem
[11:03] <xhaker> licensing?
[11:03] <xhaker> of what?
[11:03] <xhaker> openssl ?
[11:04] <azeem> xhaker: the openssl license is incompatible to the GPL
[11:04] <ajmitch> yes, gpl+openssl don't mix without an exception for the gpl app
[11:04] <lifeless> and dont even think about gpl libraries + openssl
[11:04] <raphink> how open is openssl then?
[11:05] <lifeless> ajmitch: debian-opensync@launchpad.net
[11:05] <ajmitch> lifeless: alright
[11:05] <shawarma> I'm heading off, guys. Important meeting tomorrow morning. Cheers!
[11:05] <lifeless> or something very close to that, maybe @teams.launchpad.net, I don't recall
[11:05] <raphink> bye shawarma :)
[11:06] <lifeless> ajmitch: so, I should make this thing ?
[11:06] <ajmitch> might as well
[11:06] <ajmitch> if we're going to package plugins separately we could have a common debian/ branch to base them from
[11:07] <xhaker> universe is disabled by default on sources.list because of the "no support" type of the software, is there a problem making gftp use ssl in universe? or maybe make a multiverse package?
[11:07] <lifeless> done
[11:07] <xhaker> what i find wierd is that there isn't any other way of accessing FTPS locations
[11:08] <lifeless> ajmitch: azeem: https://launchpad.net/people/debian-opensync
[11:09] <ajmitch> joining
[11:11] <ajmitch> lifeless: you reaslise that we need a decent emblem now?
[11:11] <lifeless> yes, we chose launchpad because it has emblems :!
[11:29] <lifeless> azeem: ajmitch: I've made you both admins on the team
[11:29] <azeem> thanks
[11:29] <lifeless> its now a triumvirate
[11:39] <lifeless> bah, bad news. I was confused - team aliases currently do not work *externally*, only within launchpad
[11:40] <lifeless> so, we will need to setup an email address/list somewhere
[11:41] <azeem> we could just subscribe to the PTS for the time being, if this is going to change
[11:45] <lifeless> yes
[11:45] <lifeless> I think it will, launchpad is still being built ;)
[11:50] <sorush20> hi guys
[11:51] <LaserJock> hi
[11:51] <sorush20> before reading some of the links in the topic, just generally how do I get a package that is not listed to be part of the development packages? so that it can be backported to dapper?
[11:54] <LaserJock> sorush20: do you mean backported to breezy?
[11:57] <sorush20> LaserJock: yes sorry
[11:58] <LaserJock> sorush20: ok, and the package you are looking at is not currently in dapper?
[11:59] <sorush20> LaserJock:  is not in any ubuntu repository and its a panoramic image creator
[12:00] <sorush20> LaserJock: where there are a number of images taken and the program uses an algorithem to put them together
[12:00] <LaserJock> sorush20: I don't think it is likely to be backported but you can put it on the list of programs needing packageing at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UniverseCandidates
[12:00] <LaserJock> and it could be included in dapper
[12:01] <sorush20> LaserJock: here is the link to the program its in Java though?(cyclops)