[12:06] reinaldo: ahora si [12:06] holas [12:06] reinaldo: #edubuntu-es [12:07] reinaldo: pong [12:11] puf [12:11] hehehe [12:11] oye. no kashe el mail de gabriel. (el principio) [12:12] solo lei algo de que si queria aumentar mis conocimientos de propiedad eintelectual [12:12] donde es a que hora [12:12] y cuanto cuesta? [12:12] reinaldo: please visit #edubuntu-es for spanish [12:12] haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa [12:12] oka === blue-frog [n=james@81.56.254.229] has joined #edubuntu === mhz is now known as mhz_dinner === mhz_dinner BBS === reinaldo [n=reinaldo@pc-23-24-104-200.cm.vtr.net] has left #edubuntu ["Leaving"] === Lord_Athur [i=alejandr@pc-30-37-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu [12:55] hi [12:56] hey ogra UI found a problem with the font [12:57] I saw espaol instead of espaol, and I was talking with a ubuntu user [12:59] can this be possible? I know that there can be problems with a windows user & a linuxer [12:59] try: [12:59] echo $LANG [01:00] $LANG [01:00] [01:00] where do I put the word? [01:00] just copy and pate it to a terminal window, hit enter and pate the output here [01:00] *paste [01:02] look at: [01:02] NAOMY:/home/alejandro# $LANG [01:02] bash: es_CL: command not found [01:02] NAOMY:/home/alejandro# [01:02] for me it looks like this: [01:02] ogra@honk:~/devel/ltsp/main $ echo $LANG [01:02] de_DE.UTF-8 [01:02] you forgot echo [01:03] jajaja [01:03] ok [01:04] NAOMY:/home/alejandro# echo $LANG [01:04] es_CL [01:04] NAOMY:/home/alejandro# [01:04] thats wrong ... [01:04] it should have an UTF-8 suffix [01:04] else the encoding doesnt work [01:05] remember I'm using debian today [01:05] and you get things like espaol instead of espaol [01:05] then debians UTF-8 handling is broken it seems [01:06] mmm [01:06] :( [01:08] can I do anything to put the UFT-8 in order? [01:09] there is a command to do it in debian, but i forgot which one ... [01:09] mmm [01:09] ok [01:09] dpkg-reconfigure loacles [01:09] would be a blind guess ... [01:10] ok [01:10] thanks [01:11] err locales [01:12] I did not found the cl_es locales [01:12] es_cl ? [01:12] mmm [01:13] maybe it was es_cl instead of cl_es [01:13] xD [01:13] first the lang, then the country :) [01:13] i.e. for german there is de_DE, de_AT, de_CH [01:14] what local may be my default? [01:14] es_cl or es_cl.utf-8? [01:14] es_CL.UTF-8 should be it, but i'm not sure about debian [01:14] ok [01:14] i looked at it 2 years ago lst time [01:14] I put the es_cl.ut .... [01:14] it might have changed [01:15] not very much [01:21] can I ask something in Spanish? [01:21] in the Spanish channels nobody answer [01:21] sure, but i wont understand it :) [01:21] jajja [01:22] what programs of "diseo" do you know? [01:24] i could telly you if i knew what diseo is [01:25] what programs of Graphical design you know? [01:26] inkscape and gimp are my favorites [01:27] ok [01:28] gimp for pictures, inkscape for drawigs ... and dia for diagrams [01:32] thanks ogra [01:33] youre welcome :) === pitux [n=pitux@192-190-222-201.adsl.terra.cl] has joined #edubuntu [01:33] can this programs read files made in windows? [01:34] depends in which format you saved there [01:35] i.e. inkscape can open .ai saved files and gimp opens .psd [01:37] thanks for all your help [01:37] np :) === mherweg [n=mherweg@i577AEB03.versanet.de] has joined #edubuntu [01:42] ogra, you must know a lot of distros [01:42] what's the best? [01:42] lol [01:43] [01:43] you ask *me* [01:43] and...? [01:43] the one i build indeed ... or its mother :) [01:43] i.e. ubuntu/edubuntu [01:43] ap ok [01:44] i wouldnt work on it if i wouldnt think this ;) [01:44] but what other? [01:44] mmm [01:44] hi ogra ! i mailed u 2day (kmLinux) [01:44] mherweg, hey [01:44] you built edubuntu, this do not have to count [01:44] i havet got time yet to look over the links [01:44] sorry [01:44] Lord_Athur, debian is fine too [01:45] but ubuntu and al friends [01:45] ap ok [01:45] mherweg, i'll do it first tomorrow morning and will mailyou back ... [01:46] somehow it seems i gave my card to too many people, i hasd a ton of mails today :) [01:47] no problem , i did not have any question or whish, just some infos for you [01:48] yes, but it looks intresting, especally the home cleaner ... [01:49] actually linus torvalds sent me a little program he uses for his daughter, asking if we can include it in edubuntu *g* [01:49] did you answer hiim? [01:49] what kind of program ? [01:49] not yet, i did test the program today ... it needs some love ... [01:50] jajaja [01:50] a time tracker that logs people out after a given amount of time [01:50] but it has an awful gui ... [01:50] i'll add a nicer gui and package it [01:50] and ask him for a license, its not licensed *g* [01:51] ogra, If you need my help with edubuntu for test programs of other things, I'd like to participate [01:51] jejeje [01:51] yeah, i'll ask you ... [01:51] do you have bandwith to download isos ? we'll have a test CD this week [01:52] ok [01:52] a live and a install CD [01:52] cool [01:52] I'd like to test it in my PC [01:52] yeah, i'll notify you if its ready ... i guess around thursday [01:53] there are still some packages broken http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/daily/current/report.html [01:53] have you got my e-mail address? [01:53] i guess mhz has, no ? [01:53] yes [01:53] he has got my mail [01:53] fine then :) [01:54] I had to leave the edubuntu ML for problems with the account of gmail [01:54] i think i saw you subscribing to edubuntu-devel too, i'll send a mail to the list [01:54] oh [01:54] i didnt see you leave [01:55] buy I've discovered that I've got in other mail the edubuntu ML === mhz [n=mhz_chil@pc-252-84-215-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu [01:55] ogra, it is in alejandro@egiptologia.zzn.com [01:55] ok [01:56] hi mherweg [01:56] [01:56] i'll kepp that one ... [01:56] ok [01:56] *keep [01:56] :D [01:56] hi mhz, [01:56] hi [01:57] Lord_Athur: last thing I could read in my log before No web was... you asking ogra about aplications for design [01:57] yes [01:57] but ogra gave me the information [01:58] okis, thx ogra [01:58] thx??? [01:58] what does this mean? [01:59] thanks [01:59] :D [01:59] ok [01:59] :) [01:59] I'll have to learn English before want to work more in edubuntu [02:00] there are many 'abreviations' for IRC [02:00] ap ok [02:00] no need to know more english to do that [02:00] sth = something [02:00] yup [02:00] but I'd like to be a traslator [02:01] oh, well that's different and there are 2 good schools for that inStgo. [02:01] yes [02:01] but I have not got money [02:02] bumer! [02:04] bumer? [02:06] ogra, my edubuntu distro has any educational tools [02:06] ogra, my debian distro has any educational tools (it's the fine) [02:06] :D [02:07] Lord_Athur: ogra is probably the most busy guy in this channel [02:07] Lord_Athur: so, sometimes he has no time to answer [02:08] ok [02:08] I was asking about the possible support that edubuntu can prest to other distros [02:08] Lord_Athur: if Ubuntu can support other distros, then edubuntu may do too === arkan0x [n=arkan0x@pc-133-72-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu [02:18] mhz, look this http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Fujitsu-Siemens_Amilo_Pro2000 [02:18] mhz, I've to go [02:18] good look about the edubuntu-es channel access project [02:19] Lord_Athur: you can email edubuntu-list specifing your intentions [02:19] and I will be waiting your answer about the edubuntu Spanich changes [02:19] arkan0x: /me looking [02:19] Lord_Athur: you can email edubuntu-list specifing your intentions related to translation [02:19] mhz, I wrote the intentions in the wiki page [02:19] where? [02:20] do I have to write all again? [02:20] camello [02:20] nope [02:20] xd [02:20] hehe [02:20] AlejandroLeon [02:20] Lord_Athur: but Did you wrie a plan on trasnlating edubuntu? [02:20] no [02:20] :S [02:20] hi arkan0x remember add my mail to the cdsl ML [02:20] :D [02:21] mhz, will add my intentions and plains about edubuntu to the wiki page [02:21] but now I'll go to my bed [02:21] arkan0x: those are way too diff. boxes than mine [02:21] Lord_Athur: okis [02:22] bye everyone [02:22] bye [02:22] ciao [02:22] bah, to late [02:22] ogra_: can I ask somethin regarding SVG ? [02:23] sure [02:25] I have tried at least 10 times to print the SVG for invitations [02:25] I always get diff results [02:25] but same 'bug' in printing output [02:26] any chance you could print it and tell me if you have same error [02:28] i have no printer around ... i can get one tomorrow === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #edubuntu [02:32] okis, thx ogra [02:33] ogra: and where can I express my disapointment regarding some members not responding nor giving me any sign of taking care of my requests? [02:34] in tCC meeting [02:34] sure? [02:34] in the CC meeting [02:34] yes [02:34] wont that be too "agressive"? [02:34] if you are upset and it helps you ... [02:35] 'help me'? of course not, unless they react quickly [02:36] no, i mean if it makes you feel better ... [02:37] ogra: I guess you understand that when it comes to doing thing, the best feel is to get things done, nothing else. [02:37] yup [02:38] so, yes, I'd like to express my dissapointment but not if it wont make things better [02:54] Seveas: are you awake and running? [02:58] 3am ... [02:58] unlikely === mhz needs to solve that svg pinting prob. [02:59] :( [02:59] well, i'll work on something else in the meantime === paolob [n=donpaolo@80stb43.codetel.net.do] has joined #edubuntu === sankarshan [n=sankarsh@220.227.211.249] has joined #edubuntu [03:19] Hi ogra === paolob [n=donpaolo@80stb43.codetel.net.do] has left #edubuntu ["ci] === Elsan [n=geno@Sherbrooke-HSE-ppp3609441.sympatico.ca] has joined #edubuntu === arkan0x [n=arkanox@pc-133-72-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu === sankarshan [n=sankarsh@220.227.211.249] has joined #edubuntu === P3L|C4N0 [n=gcamposm@201.240.163.143] has joined #edubuntu === sankarshan [n=sankarsh@220.227.211.249] has joined #edubuntu === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #edubuntu [06:40] highvoltage: hi [06:45] hi mhz [06:46] howzit! [06:46] highvoltage: are you up and running? === mhz is glad highvoltage is always in a good mood [06:47] mhz: i'm trying to wake up, more like it. [06:47] mhz: seen this: http://slashdot.org/articles/05/12/05/191205.shtml?tid=131&tid=146 [06:47] highvoltage: hmm, ok. then i'll let you alone === mhz opening tab [06:47] no no no, didn't mean it that way :) [06:47] i just need to get some coffee [06:51] ehehhe, sure, just teasing you a bit [06:51] to give hard times while sleepy :D [06:51] how's dad's car? [06:51] highvoltage: nice slashdot [06:51] ah [06:52] it's good (and it's my car, btw ;) ) [06:52] it had a gears problem that i fixed (very proud of my self there), but fine now. === sankarshan [n=sankarsh@220.227.211.249] has joined #edubuntu [06:53] highvoltage: hmmm, it will always be your dad's car, the one you bought :P) [06:53] highvoltage: you mean, YOU fixed it? [06:53] wow! === mhz is proud of highvoltage too === mhz has no clue about mechanics [06:55] highvoltage: I have not found hno73 around to let him know about the http / https issue [06:55] and I have not written an email eihter [06:57] i think hno is quite responsive, even over irc. [06:58] i don't know anything about mechanics either, which is why i was so glad i could fix it :) === highvoltage felt like big man [06:58] hehe [06:58] highvoltage: your nick came to my head today when I was visiting a Drupal site with these symbols /?node=386 [06:58] my first big PC was a 386. [06:58] highvoltage: you are a big man, already, indeed [06:59] mhz: ah, stop it! [06:59] highvoltage: if we get to use Drupal, will we have an easier way to remeber page names? [07:00] highvoltage: I was 22 when I got my hands on a PC, and 24 when I bought one for my own use [07:00] how old were you when you got your hands on a PC? [07:02] 6. i used the neighbours zx-spectrum [07:02] i learned to read while typing out BASIC out of old magazines so that i can play games :) === jsgotangco [n=jsg@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #edubuntu [07:02] i begged my parents for one too, but they said it's an old type of computer and they don't think it's worth while to by me one [07:03] and then in 1993, when i was 10, they finally bought a 386, which was more for their business use, but i took adcantage. [07:03] i had to re-install windows in the first 2 weeks we had that computer. :) [07:04] (then again, i must admit that it was my fault- experimented with undelete a bit) === zakame [n=zak@210.213.78.98] has joined #edubuntu [07:05] hehehehe [07:05] hi all :D === sankarshan [n=sankarsh@220.227.211.249] has joined #edubuntu [07:05] hi zakame [07:05] hi zakame [07:05] highvoltage: that's no fair [07:05] hey mhz , highvoltage :) [07:05] mhz: what's not? [07:05] not fair you started when you were 6 [07:06] well, fwiw, i fell behind a bit recently. [07:06] how old are you? 25? [07:06] 23? [07:06] 23. [07:06] the problem is, i started stagnating a bit when i started working. i'm going to work hard at fixing that next year. [07:06] so you have TONS of experience and typing speed compared to mine [07:07] heh [07:07] well, next year i also want to start using dvorak, so that should even out the playing field a bit ;) [07:07] I have barely 6 years of experience with computers [07:07] me and my father have had many arguments. [07:08] well, you are nuts! so it wont even a thing! :D [07:08] and he always says things like he's more than double my age and has more experience than me and that i should trust his judgement [07:08] hehehehehehehehe [07:08] i feel, that there's certain lessons, that if you haven't learned them by the time you're 16 [07:08] wooo! [07:08] you never will. [07:08] i suppose it's the same with computers. [07:08] no way! parents do have experience but it doesnt mean they are right [07:09] there are people who have been using computers for 10 years that still don't know anything. [07:09] mhz: my point exactly. [07:09] highvoltage: I am a father to 2 kids [07:10] please remind me those words I said in a couple of years :) === mhz is signing CodeOfConduct (again!) because he rm -rf /home twice in 3 weeks :D [07:12] So, yes. if you dont learn stuff by the time you turn 16, you never will :)D === JaneW [n=JaneW@196.36.161.235] has joined #edubuntu [07:15] wow! everyone is waking up? [07:15] haha [07:15] zakame: or maybe my uptime has been too long [07:16] morning JaneW [07:16] hehe, probably both ;) [07:16] hey you two (mhz, zakame ) [07:17] mr. jsgotangco hi there. I hope you have started your week with lots of fun games and users requests [07:17] heya jsgotangco :) [07:17] mhz, actually i just arrived yesterday from korea [07:17] oh, yes! [07:17] mhz, im getting tired of travelling already, i might go to brisbane next week [07:17] was it good? will we have more edubunteros? [07:18] mhz, it was a ubuntu-centric [07:18] jsgotangco: well, I wake up and get nothing to do, so you can send me to brisbane :) [07:18] what's in brisbane? [07:18] zakame, work [07:19] (and a redhat office) [07:19] oooh [07:23] mhz: ok, i will (remind you) [07:23] heheh [07:23] thx === mhz init 0 [07:24] bye al [07:25] all [07:25] hi JaneW [07:26] hello highvoltage [07:26] JaneW: how are you? you have been quiet lately. [07:27] hi JaneW (again) [07:28] and hi jsgotangco [07:28] hey jonathan how are thing [07:28] s? [07:28] things are great. [07:29] everyone's moods are improving due to the upcoming summer holidays [07:29] and it's having an impact on my mood too. [07:31] summer... [07:32] i just arrived from korea yesterday from -10 C to 29C in Manila and i still feel tired... [07:41] highvoltage: busy with ubuntu [07:41] highvoltage: don;t have as much time to chat ;) [07:53] JaneW: aaah. Exciting stuff, eh? [07:58] highvoltage: yes :) [07:58] highvoltage: esp the 4am meeting on Thurs ;) === dabaR [n=dabaR@wnpgmb02dc1-60-48.dynamic.mts.net] has joined #edubuntu [08:04] would the ltsp mostly be used with one higher end and several lower end PCs? Is there a plan to create a live CD version? [08:08] for ltsp, you only need low-end pc's for the workstations, and one powerful server for the ltsp server. [08:08] increasing the cpu power on one or more thin clients won't have an effect on the other thin clients, ie. it doesn't work as a cluster of some sorts. [08:13] OK. [08:14] so as strong the server is. [08:19] the specifications of the server determine how much workstations you can add, yes. === jane_ [n=JaneW@196.36.161.235] has joined #edubuntu === zakame_ [n=zak@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #edubuntu === brycer22 [n=chatzill@CPE-60-229-103-154.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #edubuntu === zakame_ is now known as zakame [08:24] OK, sounds good. I wonder whether a live CD is in plan. I bet it is not high priority. [08:24] a live cd would be a good idea [08:24] you could go around schools demonstrating etc [08:25] but probably not a high priority, cause the edubuntu project I suppose is most popular in Africa now? [08:25] the ? symbolizes that I am not sure of what I said, and would like feedback. [08:27] it is also popular in macedonia [08:32] hello? === blue-frog [n=james@lns-bzn-47f-81-56-254-229.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #edubuntu === juliux [n=juliux@ubuntu/member/juliux] has joined #edubuntu [08:34] no, I mean, inn places that do not have lots of money for windows licences, so they just install the OS anyhow. [08:34] yeh [08:34] they dont have much of a choice, and windows shopping options with live CDs. you can always boot ubuntu, and install edubuntu-desktop, I guess. [08:35] dabaR: sorry, busy with other work too ;) [08:35] no need to be sorry, I am also chatting with a buicnh of other people at #ubuntu. [08:36] but, I mean, like you said, a live CD would definitely popularize it. even as a CD that is a cool "game" for kids. they boot it, and have games, and so on. [08:36] live CD is probably plausable, but LTSP running from a CD isn't really, it's too disc intensive. [08:40] Yeah, I am more interested like I said in giving the live edubuntu live CD to kids, their moms and dads, as an educational CD, with some cool games, drawing programms, and so on(I don't really know many programs in edubuntu.) that they can just boot into, and have a whole new operating system. Ah, yes, the joys of a live CD:) [08:41] Would edubuntu be suitable for preschoolers? [08:45] I just sat an article on slashdot notein gthat edubuntu is excellent for ages 7 to 12 [08:45] sure. there is fun drawing programs for them, cool games like the gcompris. [08:45] it is suitable for kids all ages, that can use a computer. [08:45] brycer22: there are some tools that are nice for pre-schoolers, they would still need some adult supervision, imo. [08:45] I would say [08:46] things like potato guy and gcompris are pre-school-friendly [08:46] off course, it is a team game, hopefully:) [08:46] but my 4.6 year old daughter does like those penguin games [08:46] ok, because I know someone who works at a preschool with an old-ish (2001) computer, that they can't afford to buy windows for [08:47] 2001 computers should have no problem running xp but linux is still better === robitaille [n=robitail@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #edubuntu [08:52] GNU/Linux is better, ya. [08:52] and its not about the price for me, I dont pay for windows annyhow. [08:53] except once:( [08:53] you have to pay foor windows if you buy a premade computer. [08:53] windows is one of the things i don't pirate [08:54] i give edubuntu discs to everyone who asks my assistance to find or but them a computer [08:55] well for any one related to teaching and for young people [08:55] others get ubuntu [08:56] unless there psycology reuqires more MS Windoz looking style [08:56] you could write letters to local School Departments [08:56] or Indenpendant Schools, they aren't usually bound by 'Regulations' [08:58] the they get kubuntu [08:59] its seems i have a finger impedemnet tongiht [09:00] hehe. you know what they say. rdebale [09:00] or somethins [09:06] variety of reasons [09:06] most people are asking me because they have no or next to no budget [09:08] some time ago I decided to charge people by the hour for installing windoz and locking it down to be safe on the net and putting in mozilla to secure against microsft problems and the like [09:08] and tell them to come up with their own copy [09:08] go find it or go buy it [09:10] to install xp and do all that extra like office and other crap is waste of at least 5 hours [09:10] sometimes 10 [09:10] if they have stupid problems or must have software setups [09:12] then if they trip over some inane software thats windoz only === dabaR has been there:) [09:12] I show them how to install it on edubuntu [09:13] at worst case scenario they learn how to install win98 on ubuntu [09:13] i suppose XP is it really got that bad for one die hard app [09:14]