[12:06] <mhz> reinaldo: ahora si
[12:06] <mhz> holas
[12:06] <mhz> reinaldo: #edubuntu-es
[12:07] <mhz> reinaldo: pong
[12:11] <reinaldo> puf
[12:11] <reinaldo> hehehe
[12:11] <reinaldo> oye. no kashe el mail de gabriel. (el principio)
[12:12] <reinaldo> solo lei algo de que si queria aumentar mis conocimientos de propiedad eintelectual
[12:12] <reinaldo> donde es a que hora
[12:12] <reinaldo> y cuanto cuesta?
[12:12] <mhz> reinaldo: please visit #edubuntu-es for spanish
[12:12] <reinaldo> haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
[12:12] <reinaldo> oka
[12:55] <Lord_Athur> hi
[12:56] <Lord_Athur> hey ogra UI found a problem with the font
[12:57] <Lord_Athur> I saw espaol instead of espaol, and I was talking with a ubuntu user
[12:59] <Lord_Athur> can this be possible? I know that there can be problems with a windows user & a linuxer
[12:59] <ogra> try:
[12:59] <ogra> echo $LANG
[01:00] <Lord_Athur> $LANG
[01:00] <Lord_Athur> 
[01:00] <Lord_Athur> where do I put the word?
[01:00] <ogra> just copy and pate it to a terminal window, hit enter and pate the output here
[01:00] <ogra> *paste
[01:02] <Lord_Athur> look at:
[01:02] <Lord_Athur> NAOMY:/home/alejandro#  $LANG
[01:02] <Lord_Athur> bash: es_CL: command not found
[01:02] <Lord_Athur> NAOMY:/home/alejandro#
[01:02] <ogra> for me it looks like this:
[01:02] <ogra> ogra@honk:~/devel/ltsp/main $ echo $LANG
[01:02] <ogra> de_DE.UTF-8
[01:02] <ogra> you forgot echo
[01:03] <Lord_Athur> jajaja
[01:03] <Lord_Athur> ok
[01:04] <Lord_Athur> NAOMY:/home/alejandro# echo $LANG
[01:04] <Lord_Athur> es_CL
[01:04] <Lord_Athur> NAOMY:/home/alejandro#
[01:04] <ogra> thats wrong ...
[01:04] <ogra> it should have an UTF-8 suffix 
[01:04] <ogra> else the encoding doesnt work 
[01:05] <Lord_Athur> remember I'm using debian today
[01:05] <ogra> and you get things like espaol instead of espaol
[01:05] <ogra> then debians UTF-8 handling is broken it seems
[01:06] <Lord_Athur> mmm
[01:06] <Lord_Athur> :(
[01:08] <Lord_Athur> can I do anything to put the UFT-8 in order?
[01:09] <ogra> there is a command to do it in debian, but i forgot which one ...
[01:09] <Lord_Athur> mmm
[01:09] <Lord_Athur> ok
[01:09] <ogra> dpkg-reconfigure loacles 
[01:09] <ogra> would be a blind guess ...
[01:10] <Lord_Athur> ok
[01:10] <Lord_Athur> thanks
[01:11] <ogra> err locales
[01:12] <Lord_Athur> I did not found the cl_es locales
[01:12] <ogra> es_cl ? 
[01:12] <Lord_Athur> mmm
[01:13] <Lord_Athur> maybe it was es_cl instead of cl_es
[01:13] <Lord_Athur> xD
[01:13] <ogra> first the lang, then the country :)
[01:13] <ogra> i.e. for german there is de_DE, de_AT, de_CH
[01:14] <Lord_Athur> what local may be my default?
[01:14] <Lord_Athur> es_cl or es_cl.utf-8?
[01:14] <ogra> es_CL.UTF-8 should be it, but i'm not sure about debian
[01:14] <Lord_Athur> ok
[01:14] <ogra> i looked at it 2 years ago lst time
[01:14] <Lord_Athur> I put the es_cl.ut ....
[01:14] <ogra> it might have changed
[01:15] <Lord_Athur> not very much
[01:21] <Lord_Athur> can I ask something in Spanish?
[01:21] <Lord_Athur> in the Spanish channels nobody answer
[01:21] <ogra> sure, but i wont understand it :)
[01:21] <Lord_Athur> jajja
[01:22] <Lord_Athur> what programs of "diseo" do you know?
[01:24] <ogra> i could telly you if i knew what diseo is
[01:25] <Lord_Athur> what programs of Graphical design  you know?
[01:26] <ogra> inkscape and gimp are my favorites
[01:27] <Lord_Athur> ok
[01:28] <ogra> gimp for pictures, inkscape for drawigs ... and dia for diagrams
[01:32] <Lord_Athur> thanks ogra 
[01:33] <ogra> youre welcome :)
[01:33] <Lord_Athur> can this programs read files made in windows?
[01:34] <ogra> depends in which format you saved there
[01:35] <ogra> i.e. inkscape can open .ai saved files and gimp opens .psd
[01:37] <Lord_Athur> thanks for all your help
[01:37] <ogra> np :)
[01:42] <Lord_Athur> ogra, you must know a lot of distros
[01:42] <Lord_Athur> what's the best?
[01:42] <ogra> lol
[01:43] <Lord_Athur> 
[01:43] <ogra> you ask *me* 
[01:43] <Lord_Athur> and...?
[01:43] <ogra> the one i build indeed ... or its mother :)
[01:43] <ogra> i.e. ubuntu/edubuntu 
[01:43] <Lord_Athur> ap ok
[01:44] <ogra> i wouldnt work on it if i wouldnt think this ;)
[01:44] <Lord_Athur> but what other?
[01:44] <Lord_Athur> mmm
[01:44] <mherweg> hi ogra ! i mailed u 2day (kmLinux)
[01:44] <ogra> mherweg, hey
[01:44] <Lord_Athur> you built edubuntu, this do not have to count
[01:44] <ogra> i havet got time yet to look over the links
[01:44] <ogra> sorry 
[01:44] <ogra> Lord_Athur, debian is fine too 
[01:45] <ogra> but ubuntu and al friends
[01:45] <Lord_Athur> ap ok
[01:45] <ogra> mherweg, i'll do it first tomorrow morning and will mailyou back ...
[01:46] <ogra> somehow it seems i gave my card to too many people, i hasd a ton of mails today :)
[01:47] <mherweg> no problem , i did not have any question or whish, just some infos for you
[01:48] <ogra> yes, but it looks intresting, especally the home cleaner ...
[01:49] <ogra> actually linus torvalds sent me a little program he uses for his daughter, asking if we can include it in edubuntu *g*
[01:49] <Lord_Athur> did you answer hiim?
[01:49] <mherweg> what kind of program ?
[01:49] <ogra> not yet, i did test the program today ... it needs some love ...
[01:50] <Lord_Athur> jajaja
[01:50] <ogra> a time tracker that logs people out after a given amount of time
[01:50] <ogra> but it has an awful gui ...
[01:50] <ogra> i'll add a nicer gui and package it 
[01:50] <ogra> and ask him for a license, its not licensed *g*
[01:51] <Lord_Athur> ogra, If you need my help with edubuntu for test programs of other things, I'd like to participate
[01:51] <Lord_Athur> jejeje
[01:51] <ogra> yeah, i'll ask you ...
[01:51] <ogra> do you have bandwith to download isos ? we'll have a test CD this week
[01:52] <Lord_Athur> ok
[01:52] <ogra> a live and a install CD
[01:52] <Lord_Athur> cool
[01:52] <Lord_Athur> I'd like to test it in my PC
[01:52] <ogra> yeah, i'll notify you if its ready ... i guess around thursday 
[01:53] <ogra> there are still some packages broken http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/daily/current/report.html
[01:53] <Lord_Athur> have you got my e-mail address?
[01:53] <ogra> i guess mhz has, no ? 
[01:53] <Lord_Athur> yes
[01:53] <Lord_Athur> he has got my mail
[01:53] <ogra> fine then :)
[01:54] <Lord_Athur> I had to leave the edubuntu ML for problems with the account of gmail
[01:54] <ogra> i think i saw you subscribing to edubuntu-devel too, i'll send a mail to the list 
[01:54] <ogra> oh
[01:54] <ogra> i didnt see you leave
[01:55] <Lord_Athur> buy I've discovered that I've got in other mail the edubuntu ML
[01:55] <Lord_Athur> ogra, it is in alejandro@egiptologia.zzn.com
[01:55] <ogra> ok
[01:56] <Lord_Athur> hi mherweg 
[01:56] <Lord_Athur> 
[01:56] <ogra> i'll kepp that one ... 
[01:56] <Lord_Athur> ok
[01:56] <ogra> *keep
[01:56] <Lord_Athur> :D
[01:56] <Lord_Athur> hi mhz, 
[01:56] <mhz> hi
[01:57] <mhz> Lord_Athur: last thing I could read in my log before No web was... you asking ogra about aplications for design
[01:57] <Lord_Athur> yes
[01:57] <Lord_Athur> but ogra gave me the information
[01:58] <mhz> okis, thx ogra
[01:58] <Lord_Athur> thx???
[01:58] <Lord_Athur> what does this mean?
[01:59] <mhz> thanks
[01:59] <Lord_Athur> :D
[01:59] <Lord_Athur> ok
[01:59] <mhz> :)
[01:59] <Lord_Athur> I'll have to learn English before want to work more in edubuntu
[02:00] <mhz> there are many 'abreviations' for IRC
[02:00] <Lord_Athur> ap ok
[02:00] <mhz> no need to know more english to do that
[02:00] <Lord_Athur> sth = something
[02:00] <mhz> yup
[02:00] <Lord_Athur> but I'd like to be a traslator
[02:01] <mhz> oh, well that's different and there are 2 good schools for that inStgo.
[02:01] <Lord_Athur> yes
[02:01] <Lord_Athur> but I have not got money
[02:02] <mhz> bumer!
[02:04] <Lord_Athur> bumer?
[02:06] <Lord_Athur> ogra, my edubuntu distro has any educational tools
[02:06] <Lord_Athur> ogra, my debian distro has any educational tools (it's the fine)
[02:06] <Lord_Athur> :D
[02:07] <mhz> Lord_Athur: ogra is probably the most busy guy in this channel
[02:07] <mhz> Lord_Athur: so, sometimes he has no time to answer
[02:08] <Lord_Athur> ok
[02:08] <Lord_Athur> I was asking about the possible support that edubuntu can prest to other distros
[02:08] <mhz> Lord_Athur: if Ubuntu can support other distros, then edubuntu may do too
[02:18] <arkan0x> mhz, look this http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Fujitsu-Siemens_Amilo_Pro2000
[02:18] <Lord_Athur> mhz, I've to go
[02:18] <Lord_Athur> good look about the edubuntu-es channel access project
[02:19] <mhz> Lord_Athur: you can email edubuntu-list specifing your intentions
[02:19] <Lord_Athur> and I will be waiting your answer about the edubuntu Spanich changes
[02:19] <mhz> arkan0x: /me looking
[02:19] <mhz> Lord_Athur: you can email edubuntu-list specifing your intentions related to translation
[02:19] <Lord_Athur> mhz, I wrote the intentions in the wiki page
[02:19] <mhz> where?
[02:20] <Lord_Athur> do I have to write all again?
[02:20] <Lord_Athur> camello
[02:20] <mhz> nope
[02:20] <Lord_Athur> xd
[02:20] <mhz> hehe
[02:20] <Lord_Athur> AlejandroLeon
[02:20] <mhz> Lord_Athur: but Did you wrie a plan on trasnlating edubuntu?
[02:20] <Lord_Athur> no
[02:20] <Lord_Athur> :S
[02:20] <Lord_Athur> hi arkan0x remember add my mail to the cdsl ML
[02:20] <Lord_Athur> :D
[02:21] <Lord_Athur> mhz, will add my intentions and plains about edubuntu to the wiki page
[02:21] <Lord_Athur> but now I'll go to my bed
[02:21] <mhz> arkan0x: those are way too diff. boxes than mine
[02:21] <mhz> Lord_Athur: okis
[02:22] <Lord_Athur> bye everyone
[02:22] <mhz> bye
[02:22] <ogra_> ciao 
[02:22] <ogra_> bah, to late
[02:22] <mhz> ogra_: can I ask somethin regarding SVG ?
[02:23] <ogra_> sure
[02:25] <mhz> I have tried at least 10 times to print the SVG for invitations
[02:25] <mhz> I always get diff results
[02:25] <mhz> but same 'bug' in printing output
[02:26] <mhz> any chance you could print it and tell me if you have same error
[02:28] <ogra_> i have no printer around ... i can get one tomorrow
[02:32] <mhz> okis, thx ogra 
[02:33] <mhz> ogra: and where can I express my disapointment regarding some members not responding nor giving me any sign of taking care of my requests?
[02:34] <ogra> in tCC meeting
[02:34] <mhz> sure?
[02:34] <ogra> in the CC meeting
[02:34] <ogra> yes
[02:34] <mhz> wont that be too "agressive"?
[02:34] <ogra> if you are upset and it helps you ...
[02:35] <mhz> 'help me'? of course not, unless they react quickly
[02:36] <ogra> no, i mean if it makes you feel better ...
[02:37] <mhz> ogra: I guess you understand that when it comes to doing thing, the best feel is to get things done, nothing else.
[02:37] <ogra> yup
[02:38] <mhz> so, yes, I'd like to express my dissapointment but not if it wont make things better
[02:54] <mhz> Seveas: are you awake and running?
[02:58] <ogra> 3am  ...
[02:58] <ogra> unlikely
[02:59] <mhz> :(
[02:59] <mhz> well, i'll work on something else in the meantime
[03:19] <paolob> Hi ogra
[06:40] <mhz> highvoltage: hi
[06:45] <highvoltage> hi mhz 
[06:46] <highvoltage> howzit!
[06:46] <mhz> highvoltage: are you up and running?
[06:47] <highvoltage> mhz: i'm trying to wake up, more like it.
[06:47] <highvoltage> mhz: seen this: http://slashdot.org/articles/05/12/05/191205.shtml?tid=131&tid=146
[06:47] <mhz> highvoltage: hmm, ok. then i'll let you alone
[06:47] <highvoltage> no no no, didn't mean it that way :)
[06:47] <highvoltage> i just need to get some coffee
[06:51] <mhz> ehehhe, sure, just teasing you a bit
[06:51] <mhz> to give hard times while sleepy :D
[06:51] <mhz> how's dad's car?
[06:51] <mhz> highvoltage: nice slashdot
[06:51] <highvoltage> ah
[06:52] <highvoltage> it's good (and it's my car, btw ;) )
[06:52] <highvoltage> it had a gears problem that i fixed (very proud of my self there), but fine now.
[06:53] <mhz> highvoltage: hmmm, it will always be your dad's car, the one you bought :P)
[06:53] <mhz> highvoltage: you mean, YOU fixed it?
[06:53] <mhz> wow!
[06:55] <mhz> highvoltage: I have not found hno73 around to let him know about the http / https issue
[06:55] <mhz> and I have not written an email eihter
[06:57] <highvoltage> i think hno is quite responsive, even over irc.
[06:58] <highvoltage> i don't know anything about mechanics either, which is why i was so glad i could fix it :)
[06:58] <highvoltage> hehe
[06:58] <mhz> highvoltage: your nick came to my head today when I was visiting a Drupal site with these symbols /?node=386 
[06:58] <highvoltage> my first big PC was a 386.
[06:58] <mhz> highvoltage: you are a big man, already, indeed
[06:59] <highvoltage> mhz: ah, stop it!
[06:59] <mhz> highvoltage: if we get to use Drupal, will we have an easier way to remeber page names?
[07:00] <mhz> highvoltage: I was 22 when I got my hands on a PC, and 24 when I bought one for my own use
[07:00] <mhz> how old were you when you got your hands on a PC?
[07:02] <highvoltage> 6. i used the neighbours zx-spectrum
[07:02] <highvoltage> i learned to read while typing out BASIC out of old magazines so that i can play games :)
[07:02] <highvoltage> i begged my parents for one too, but they said it's an old type of computer and they don't think it's worth while to by me one
[07:03] <highvoltage> and then in 1993, when i was 10, they finally bought a 386, which was more for their business use, but i took adcantage.
[07:03] <highvoltage> i had to re-install windows in the first 2 weeks we had that computer. :)
[07:04] <highvoltage> (then again, i must admit that it was my fault- experimented with undelete a bit)
[07:05] <mhz> hehehehe
[07:05] <zakame> hi all :D
[07:05] <mhz> hi zakame 
[07:05] <highvoltage> hi zakame
[07:05] <mhz> highvoltage: that's no fair
[07:05] <zakame> hey mhz , highvoltage :)
[07:05] <highvoltage> mhz: what's not?
[07:05] <mhz> not fair you started when you were 6
[07:06] <highvoltage> well, fwiw, i fell behind a bit recently.
[07:06] <mhz> how old are you? 25?
[07:06] <mhz> 23?
[07:06] <highvoltage> 23.
[07:06] <highvoltage> the problem is, i started stagnating a bit when i started working. i'm going to work hard at fixing that next year.
[07:06] <mhz> so you have TONS of experience and typing speed compared to mine
[07:07] <highvoltage> heh
[07:07] <highvoltage> well, next year i also want to start using dvorak, so that should even out the playing field a bit ;)
[07:07] <mhz> I have barely 6 years of experience with computers
[07:07] <highvoltage> me and my father have had many arguments.
[07:08] <mhz> well, you are nuts! so it wont even a thing! :D
[07:08] <highvoltage> and he always says things like he's more than double my age and has more experience than me and that i should trust his judgement
[07:08] <mhz> hehehehehehehehe
[07:08] <highvoltage> i feel, that there's certain lessons, that if you haven't learned them by the time you're 16
[07:08] <zakame> wooo!
[07:08] <highvoltage> you never will.
[07:08] <highvoltage> i suppose it's the same with computers.
[07:08] <mhz> no way! parents do have experience but it doesnt mean they are right
[07:09] <highvoltage> there are people who have been using computers for 10 years that still don't know anything.
[07:09] <highvoltage> mhz: my point exactly.
[07:09] <mhz> highvoltage: I am a father to 2 kids
[07:10] <mhz> please remind me those words I said in a couple of years :)
[07:12] <mhz> So, yes. if you dont learn stuff by the time you turn 16, you never will :)D
[07:15] <mhz> wow! everyone is waking up?
[07:15] <zakame> haha
[07:15] <mhz> zakame: or maybe my uptime has been too long
[07:16] <jsgotangco> morning JaneW 
[07:16] <zakame> hehe, probably both ;)
[07:16] <jsgotangco> hey you two (mhz, zakame )
[07:17] <mhz> mr. jsgotangco hi there. I hope you have started your week with lots of fun games and users requests
[07:17] <zakame> heya jsgotangco :)
[07:17] <jsgotangco> mhz, actually i just arrived yesterday from korea
[07:17] <mhz> oh, yes!
[07:17] <jsgotangco> mhz, im getting tired of travelling already, i might go to brisbane next week
[07:17] <mhz> was it good? will we have more edubunteros?
[07:18] <jsgotangco> mhz, it was a ubuntu-centric
[07:18] <mhz> jsgotangco: well, I wake up and get nothing to do, so you can send me to brisbane :)
[07:18] <zakame> what's in brisbane?
[07:18] <jsgotangco> zakame, work
[07:19] <jsgotangco> (and a redhat office)
[07:19] <zakame> oooh
[07:23] <highvoltage> mhz: ok, i will (remind you)
[07:23] <mhz> heheh
[07:23] <mhz> thx
[07:24] <mhz> bye al
[07:25] <mhz> all
[07:25] <highvoltage> hi JaneW 
[07:26] <JaneW> hello highvoltage 
[07:26] <highvoltage> JaneW: how are you? you have been quiet lately.
[07:27] <jsgotangco> hi JaneW (again)
[07:28] <highvoltage> and hi jsgotangco 
[07:28] <jsgotangco> hey jonathan how are thing
[07:28] <jsgotangco> s?
[07:28] <highvoltage> things are great.
[07:29] <highvoltage> everyone's moods are improving due to the upcoming summer holidays
[07:29] <highvoltage> and it's having an impact on my mood too.
[07:31] <jsgotangco> summer...
[07:32] <jsgotangco> i just arrived from korea yesterday from -10 C to 29C in Manila and i still feel tired...
[07:41] <JaneW> highvoltage: busy with ubuntu
[07:41] <JaneW> highvoltage: don;t have as much time to chat ;)
[07:53] <highvoltage> JaneW: aaah. Exciting stuff, eh?
[07:58] <JaneW> highvoltage: yes :)
[07:58] <JaneW> highvoltage: esp the 4am meeting on Thurs ;)
[08:04] <dabaR> would the ltsp mostly be used with one higher end and several lower end PCs? Is there a plan to create a live CD version?
[08:08] <highvoltage> for ltsp, you only need low-end pc's for the workstations, and one powerful server for the ltsp server.
[08:08] <highvoltage> increasing the cpu power on one or more thin clients won't have an effect on the other thin clients, ie. it doesn't work as a cluster of some sorts.
[08:13] <dabaR> OK.
[08:14] <dabaR> so as strong the server is.
[08:19] <highvoltage> the specifications of the server determine how much workstations you can add, yes.
[08:24] <dabaR> OK, sounds good. I wonder whether a live CD is in plan. I bet it is not high priority.
[08:24] <brycer22> a live cd would be a good idea
[08:24] <brycer22> you could go around schools demonstrating etc
[08:25] <dabaR> but probably not a high priority, cause the edubuntu project I suppose is most popular in Africa now?
[08:25] <dabaR> the ? symbolizes that I am not sure of what I said, and would like feedback.
[08:27] <brycer22> it is also popular in macedonia
[08:32] <brycer22> hello?
[08:34] <dabaR> no, I mean, inn places that do not have lots of money for windows licences, so they just install the OS anyhow.
[08:34] <brycer22> yeh
[08:34] <dabaR> they dont have much of a choice, and windows shopping options with live CDs. you can always boot ubuntu, and install edubuntu-desktop, I guess.
[08:35] <highvoltage> dabaR: sorry, busy with other work too ;)
[08:35] <dabaR> no need to be sorry, I am also chatting with a buicnh of other people at #ubuntu.
[08:36] <dabaR> but, I mean, like you said, a live CD would definitely popularize it. even as a CD that is a cool "game" for kids. they boot it, and have games, and so on.
[08:36] <highvoltage> live CD is probably plausable, but LTSP running from a CD isn't really, it's too disc intensive.
[08:40] <dabaR> Yeah, I am more interested like I said in giving the live edubuntu live CD to kids, their moms and dads, as an educational CD, with some cool games, drawing programms, and so on(I don't really know many programs in edubuntu.) that they can just boot into, and have a whole new operating system. Ah, yes, the joys of a live CD:)
[08:41] <brycer22> Would edubuntu be suitable for preschoolers?
[08:45] <konfuzed> I just sat an article on slashdot notein gthat edubuntu is excellent for ages 7 to 12
[08:45] <dabaR> sure. there is fun drawing programs for them, cool games like the gcompris.
[08:45] <dabaR> it is suitable for kids all ages, that can use a computer.
[08:45] <highvoltage> brycer22: there are some tools that are nice for pre-schoolers, they would still need some adult supervision, imo.
[08:45] <dabaR> I would say
[08:46] <highvoltage> things like potato guy and gcompris are pre-school-friendly
[08:46] <dabaR> off course, it is a team game, hopefully:)
[08:46] <konfuzed> but my 4.6 year old daughter does like those penguin games
[08:46] <brycer22> ok, because I know someone who works at a preschool with an old-ish (2001) computer, that they can't afford to buy windows for
[08:47] <konfuzed> 2001 computers should have no problem running xp but linux is still better
[08:52] <dabaR> GNU/Linux is better, ya.
[08:52] <dabaR> and its not about the price for me, I dont pay for windows annyhow.
[08:53] <dabaR> except once:(
[08:53] <dabaR> you have to pay foor windows if you buy a premade computer.
[08:53] <brycer22> windows is one of the things i don't pirate
[08:54] <konfuzed> i give edubuntu discs to everyone who asks my assistance to find or but them a computer
[08:55] <konfuzed> well for any one related to teaching and for young people
[08:55] <konfuzed> others get ubuntu
[08:56] <konfuzed> unless there psycology reuqires more MS Windoz looking style
[08:56] <brycer22> you could write letters to local School Departments
[08:56] <brycer22> or Indenpendant Schools, they aren't usually bound by 'Regulations'
[08:58] <konfuzed> the they get kubuntu
[08:59] <konfuzed> its seems i have a finger impedemnet tongiht
[09:00] <dabaR> hehe. you know what they say. rdebale
[09:00] <dabaR> or somethins
[09:06] <konfuzed> variety of reasons
[09:06] <konfuzed> most people are asking me because they have no or next to no budget
[09:08] <konfuzed> some time ago I decided to charge people by the hour for installing windoz and locking it down to be safe on the net and putting in mozilla to secure against microsft problems and the like
[09:08] <konfuzed> and tell them to come up with their own copy
[09:08] <konfuzed> go find it or go buy it
[09:10] <konfuzed> to install xp and do all that extra like office and other crap is waste of at least 5 hours
[09:10] <konfuzed> sometimes 10 
[09:10] <konfuzed> if they have stupid problems or must have software setups
[09:12] <konfuzed> then if they trip over some inane software thats windoz only
[09:12] <konfuzed> I show them how to install it on edubuntu
[09:13] <konfuzed> at worst case scenario they learn how to install win98 on ubuntu
[09:13] <konfuzed> i suppose XP is it really got that bad for one die hard app
[09:14] <konfuzed> s/is/it
[09:14] <konfuzed> that one had to be corrected
[09:14] <konfuzed> s/is/if
[09:14] <konfuzed> twice even 
[09:15] <dabaR> s/got/has
[09:15] <dabaR> s/is/if
[09:15] <dabaR> s/it/they and then the verb subject dont match so you have to go again
[09:16] <konfuzed> i suppose XP, if it really got that bad for one die hard app
[09:16] <konfuzed> i suppose XP, if it really got that bad, for one die hard app
[09:17] <konfuzed> ok so now I can admit to taking 9 or 10 high school english course and only walking away with 4 credits
[09:17] <konfuzed> ;^)
[09:18] <dabaR> heh
[09:18] <dabaR> and we will believe you.
[09:18] <konfuzed> which is fine because now we ve just started pitching new systems  to teachers cause the school board authorized $500 bucks
[09:18] <konfuzed> ea
[09:18] <konfuzed> but they have to get it themselves
[09:19] <konfuzed> but only if they co-ordinate themselves and actually submit the invoice and forms
[09:20] <dabaR> its not too hard to get a decent system for $500, eh?
[09:20] <konfuzed> not in canada
[09:20] <konfuzed> I set my buddy up as a hardware retailer
[09:21] <konfuzed> I can get em for less than 400 no monitor
[09:21] <konfuzed> amd 64 2600 - 512ram -80gig-7.1 or better audio and gig lan with built in wild graphics
[09:22] <konfuzed> gamers can then go and spend 2 to 400 on a gamer card
[09:24] <konfuzed> before the teachers started askin
[09:24] <konfuzed> i set up moodle to run as a conert hall with live performance events streamed in audio or video
[09:25] <konfuzed> I was so pleased to see moodle available in synaptic
[09:25] <dabaR> why the heck would a school need such a system?
[09:25] <konfuzed> just the thing for these teachers
[09:25] <konfuzed> http://moodle.org
[09:26] <dabaR> I mean, wha tyou described is stronger than my main computer by several points.
[09:26] <konfuzed> its compliant for use at universities
[09:26] <dabaR> there is a university compliance for systems?
[09:26] <konfuzed> oh well thats pretty near the bottom of what I can get for new
[09:27] <konfuzed> on SCORM is a grading system in use by universities in europe
[09:27] <konfuzed> and some other palces I think
[09:28] <konfuzed> I could probably chop off another 50 to 75 and give them new garbage
[09:28] <konfuzed> but I would like these boxes to be upgradable in 5 years
[09:29] <konfuzed> so i try to get them socket 939
[09:29] <konfuzed> mostly for drool factor in 3 years
[09:29] <konfuzed> when dual core is a cheal upgrade
[09:30] <konfuzed> ;^)
[09:31] <konfuzed> well im crashin
[09:31] <konfuzed> ciao
[09:32] <dabaR> bye
[09:33] <konfuzed> but first 
[09:33] <konfuzed> go check this out http://www.bwgen.com/presets.htm
[09:33] <konfuzed> I gotta get it to run in ed/ubuntu
[09:34] <konfuzed> has any one come across any other applied audio harmonics for linux
[09:34] <konfuzed> not music writing
[09:34] <dabaR> no idea.
[09:35] <konfuzed> that resonance stuff is neato
[09:35] <konfuzed> nite
[09:37] <dabaR> brain wave generator
[11:14] <ulinskie> is Octave pre installed in edubuntu?
[11:22] <ogra> nope
[11:22] <ogra> its in universe, you can easily install it through synaptic
[12:24] <ulinskie> thanks
[01:15] <mherweg> hi all. does edubuntu contain ltsp-sound(esd) already ?
[01:17] <mherweg> hi mhz. does edubuntu contain ltsp-sound(esd) already ?
[01:17] <mhz> hmmm, don't know but I do know that sound issues are considered for dapper
[01:17] <mhz> current 5.10 does not support sound
[01:18] <mherweg> ok , thanks
[01:18] <mhz> np
[01:18] <mhz> mherweg: are you using edubuntu already?
[01:18] <mherweg> no. i'm downloading it right now
[01:19] <mhz> cool
[01:19] <mherweg> did u ever think about "lessdisks" instead of ltsp ?
[01:19] <mhz> what is lessdisk? 
[01:19] <mhz> (that tells you i did not think of it :) )
[01:19] <mhz> mherweg: the Mr. Edubuntu here is ogra 
[01:20] <spacey> mherweg, link to project?
[01:20] <mherweg> http://lessdisks.sourceforge.net/
[01:20] <mhz> He did all based on what a group of people suggested him to do
[01:20] <mhz> spacey: hi
[01:20] <ogra> mherweg, nope
[01:20] <ogra> its mentioned in the ltsp packages though ...
[01:21] <spacey> mhz, morning :)
[01:25] <mhz> mherweg: i dont see much activity in that project. any ideas why?
[01:26] <ogra> mhz, its not completely inactive and you can use it as an ltsp alternative ... 
[01:27] <spacey> last update june 2005
[01:27] <spacey> mhz
[01:27] <mhz> ogra: yup, I was reading about it. FreeGeek is very similar to what we try to do here in Chile with Tecnocimiento
[01:27] <spacey> ogra, where does it differ, different chroot for the thinclient?
[01:27] <mherweg> mhz: lessdisks is a one/two man show. I did use it in one project. scolelinux is thinking of using it for diskless workstations
[01:28] <mherweg> i think its not so good documented as LTSP but itis much easier to integrate local apps
[01:28] <spacey> ogra, does willow work for at all? :P
[01:28] <mhz> mherweg: yup, June is somewhat 'not much activity', however, it seems 'hited' every day
[01:28] <ogra> spacey, it works fine for me
[01:29] <spacey> can you send me your willow.conf ?;/
[01:29] <ogra> spacey, i use the default one ...
[01:30] <ogra> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/5456
[01:30] <ogra> just adjusted the paths
[01:31] <spacey> oh wait
[01:31] <ogra> enabling the webinterface would be tricky and require a lot of pam hacking, thats hy i will drop it first place
[01:31] <spacey> already got it running i think
[01:32] <spacey> but last time the webinterface had some internal errors
[01:32] <ogra> thats why i dont want it, the filtering works fine though ...
[01:32] <ogra> and since we'll run on the server anyway, its fine with a pygtk gui
[01:33] <spacey> thing is when you run it on a router and not on local edubuntu machine
[01:33] <spacey> then pygtk gui is not really convienant
[01:33] <ogra> we dont :)
[01:33] <spacey> yeah
[01:33] <spacey> but the package will be in main right
[01:33] <spacey> so
[01:33] <spacey> if some normal ubuntu user would try it out
[01:33] <ogra> if you have the skills to set up a router, you canalso maintain squidguard
[01:34] <spacey> i think it should be possible to have a working webthingy
[01:34] <spacey> squidguard?
[01:34] <spacey> but squid sucks :P
[01:34] <ogra> i dont want to hack up pam ... 
[01:34] <ogra> especially since i think its not easy to get the willow requirements in in a non intrusive way
[01:35] <mhz> mherweg: so, in what env. are you planning to run Edubuntu?
[01:35] <jsgotangco> good evening edubunteros =)
[01:36] <spacey> ogra, what requirements are you hinting at?
[01:36] <ogra> spacey, read the docs, it needs pam auth for the web interface and a fine grained user/group management
[01:36] <ogra> its not my target at all
[01:37] <spacey> yeah ok i read that
[01:37] <spacey> but pam is not that abnormal
[01:37] <ogra> we wont get it into main r on the CD i think ...
[01:37] <spacey> hmm
[01:37] <ogra> thats why i want to keep it as simple as possible ...
[01:37] <spacey> well universe would be fine as well
[01:37] <ogra> nope
[01:37] <ogra> then i dont want it 
[01:38] <spacey> hmm ok
[01:38] <spacey> we'll i'll fiddle around with it a bit first
[01:38] <ogra> i want a solution for the content filtering for this release, if we wait we can write a tool to manage squidguard as well 
[01:39] <mherweg> mhz: a primary school: 1 server , 12 terminals
[01:39] <mhz> mherweg: educool
[01:39] <ogra> its a fine short term solution ... if you find a ubuntu compliant way for the pam stuff, fine ... but dont put to much time into it 
[01:39] <ogra> we only have 6 weeks left
[01:39] <mhz> mherweg: currently running LTSP?
[01:40] <ogra> getting the packaging right to have a "transparent by default mode" will be time consuming enough
[01:41] <spacey> yeah, actually i have no idea how your imagine that transparent by default
[01:41] <mherweg> mhz_ in this school: no linux so far. in other projects: yes, many LTSP and one lessdisks
[01:42] <mhz> mherweg: are you member of FreeGeek?
[01:43] <mherweg> no, what's that ?
[01:44] <mherweg> url ?
[01:44] <mhz> mherweg: oh, i thought you were, they are a very cool org. and AFAIK, they are behind lessdisk
[01:45] <mhz> http://freegeek.org/
[01:45] <ogra> spacey, having a /etc/default/willow file with the setting on or off and setting the iptables rule in the initscript if ts set ... the setting in /etc/default is set by debconf, so you can dpkg-reconfigure willow to switch it on or off
[01:46] <ogra> the default will be on ...
[01:46] <Seveas> mhz, you were not approved yet - mako couldn't vote
[01:46] <Seveas> mhz, mako would read logs and vote later, I guess he didn't do that yet so we should poke him at the CC meeting :)
[01:46] <mhz> Seveas: afaik, mako did said that he was ok with everyone else's decision
[01:47] <Seveas> yeah, he'll give you a +1
[01:47] <ogra> Seveas, mhz sent several mails already ... its a bit inconvenient ...
[01:47] <Seveas> we'll just have to poke him to do so :)
[01:49] <mhz> ok
[01:50] <spacey> ogra, still have to configure proxy settings in your software right?
[01:50] <ogra> nope
[01:50] <ogra> not if the server is the default gw for the clients
[01:50] <spacey> hmmm
[01:51] <spacey> ogra, so it intercepts traffic?
[01:51] <ogra> the iptables rule will remap port 80 to 8000 then
[01:51] <ogra> (or whatever port you choose)
[01:51] <spacey> hmm
[01:51] <spacey> i wondered if that worked
[01:51] <spacey> but it apparently it does
[01:52] <spacey> tested it?
[01:52] <ogra> sure
[01:52] <ogra> why shouldnt that work  ? 
[01:52] <spacey> i guessed it would mess up the tcp communication between end and client
[01:52] <ogra> thats how transparent proxies work since ages
[01:52] <spacey> yeah ok
[01:52] <spacey> but didn't read anything about transparency in willow docs
[01:52] <ogra> you run it on your GW
[01:53] <ogra> the transparency isnt done by willow
[01:53] <ogra> its done by the remapping of port 80 on the GW (in our case the server)
[01:53] <ogra> willow just works as ususal
[01:53] <spacey> hmmm ok interesting
[01:53] <spacey> i will certainly give that a try
[01:54] <ogra> iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp --dport 80 -j REDIRECT --to-port 8000
[01:54] <ogra> thats all you need 
[01:54] <ogra> (on the GW)
[01:55] <ogra> it will hand over all http packages to port 8000, whatever sits there
[01:56] <spacey> kk
[01:56] <ogra> (you could also put a apache there and fake all websites for example)
[01:56] <ogra> or use apache in proxy mode ...
[01:56] <spacey> i'll see how well that willow performs 
[01:57] <spacey> with more then 50 users
[01:57] <ogra> yup, i didnt do any performance tests yes
[01:57] <ogra> *yet
[02:16] <spacey> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/i5458
[02:17] <spacey> :)
[02:18] <ogra> yeah
[02:21] <spacey> think we also need some other page for that :P
[02:21] <spacey> "Edubuntu thinks this site is not suitable for you little boy"
[02:25] <ogra> yup
[02:25] <spacey> Maybe we also want that in the selected language but not sure if thats easy to do
[02:27] <ogra> should be manageable
[02:28] <BenC> hey guys
[02:28] <BenC> is there anything like a website block where I can add sites (whitelist) on edubuntu?
[02:32] <ogra> BenC, lol
[02:32] <BenC> ogra: stop following me :P
[02:32] <ogra> thats funny, we're just playing with willow
[02:33] <BenC> cool, any packages to test?
[02:33] <ogra> http://www.digitallumber.net/software/willow/
[02:33] <ogra> not yet
[02:33] <BenC> does it work with firefox?
[02:33] <ogra> i want to package it with a transparent by default mode, just mailed mdz the concept
[02:33] <ogra> sure
[02:34] <ogra> the cool thing is that it uses bayesian filtering as base (urllist black/whitelisting too indeed)
[02:35] <ogra> so it just learns based on content ;)
[02:38] <BenC> so you can configure it to block everything and then add sites you want to be ok?
[02:39] <ogra> hmm, i havent looked at it from this side yet ... rather the other way around ...
[02:39] <ogra> sounds like you want squidguard or dansguardian then
[02:39] <BenC> my kids are 6 and 9, so I want to be especially tight
[02:40] <BenC> just want them to be able to a few websites (e.g. nickelodeon)
[02:40] <ogra> btw, do you limit their online time ? lius sent us a tool he uses for his daughter
[02:40] <ogra> *linus
[02:40] <zakame> hi again :D
[02:41] <BenC> I may be able to do all this from my wrt54g, but I haven't looked yet
[02:41] <BenC> it also has time restrictions
[02:41] <ogra> BenC, http://www.squidguard.org/ should support what you want
[02:41] <BenC> ogra: thanks
[02:42] <ogra> there is a package in ubuntu
[02:42] <ogra> you'll need squid as well 
[02:50] <mhz> kjcole: hi there
[02:51] <kjcole> mhz: Hi.  I'm writing a 3-line blurb for Ubunutu membership (gonna try at the CC).
[02:51] <mhz> ok
[02:53] <ogra> kjcole, make sure your wikipage is having some nice content too :)
[02:54] <kjcole> ogra: Not enough there now?
[02:54] <ogra> dunno
[02:54] <ogra> lol
[02:54] <ogra> yes, enough it think :)
[02:55] <kjcole> ogra: Good.  I wasn't sure. 
[02:55] <ogra> it was just a general hint i giveeveryone ;)
[02:55] <ogra> bout your page looks very good
[02:59] <kjcole> ogra: Thanks.
[03:23] <jsgotangco> mhz, the customs thing is already all over the wiki and shipit pages, it doesn't have to be in the CC agenda...
[03:23] <jsgotangco> there is already letter templates for those
[03:23] <mhz> jsgotangco: ok, thx for that tip, I had no clue
[03:24] <jsgotangco> mhz, the CDs are valued at .30  that is where they base the customs tax
[03:24] <jsgotangco> some customs ignore it, some use it for valuation
[03:25] <mhz> indeed, but they say it is sub-valued, which means they dont trust us
[03:25] <jsgotangco> you might want to look for marilize, she sometimes roam in the -devel channel
[03:25] <jsgotangco> mhz, CDs are cheap really
[03:25] <mhz> yup, but it is customs decision (in Chile, to charge whatever they think it is reasonable)
[03:25] <mhz> :(
[03:26] <jsgotangco> they also charge customs here
[03:28] <mhz> jsgotangco: i hope they have a fixed fee previously shown somewhere. Here, we dont have such thing. it is very arbitrary
[03:48] <mhz> ogra: once I finish the things I already commited to, I will work on a WikiHowTo
[03:48] <jsgotangco> fixed fee?
[03:48] <mhz> in a KISS way
[03:48] <jsgotangco> that depends on your tax rates
[03:48] <jsgotangco> !
[03:48] <ogra> :)
[03:49] <mhz> jsgotangco: yup, thats my point... they charge whatever they feel like
[03:49] <jsgotangco> that's your country's customs issue and canonical is in no way to influence how your customs charge a .30  cd
[03:50] <mhz> i know, ok. I was just asking for a kind of letter or something that emphatizes the nature of the package, that it is not meant to do business
[03:51] <mhz> that's all
[03:51] <jsgotangco> its with the letter from shipit let me look for it
[03:52] <mhz> thx
[03:54] <crimsun> it's lovely how 2 simple characters make someone an official member :)
[03:54] <mhz> crimsun: lol, indeed
[03:54] <lucasvo> is it normal that one can't open .mp3 in rythmbox?
[03:55] <zakame> mhz: you rock
[03:55] <mhz> lucasvo: mmmm, no idea. IIRC, rythmbox is only for Audio Cds
[03:55] <mhz> zakame: I am who I am because of what we all are, :D
[03:55] <mhz> thx
[03:56] <zakame> lucasvo: try getting gstreamer0.8-plugins first ;)
[03:56] <crimsun> lucasvo: you can't by default. You need gstreamer0.8-mad for basics
[03:56] <jsgotangco> http://people.ubuntulinux.org/~mako/ubuntu_cds-customs_letter-generic.pdf
[03:56] <jsgotangco> mhz, looks old though
[03:56] <jsgotangco> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/shipit/
[03:57] <mhz> lucasvo: won't XMMS be lighter in performance? with xmms you can access mp3 and audio cds
[03:57] <lucasvo> crimsun, zakame thanks
[03:57] <mhz> jsgotangco: thx, i'll look at it at the end of cc
[03:57] <lucasvo> mhz: I don't care about lightness :D
[03:57] <mhz> lucasvo: oh, ok. I usually do
[03:58] <lucasvo> mhz atm I have no problem and I don't really like xmms
[03:59] <lucasvo> #ubuntu is to crowded
[03:59] <mhz> ok, good to know.
[03:59] <mhz> indeed
[03:59] <mhz> but they can be ver handy sometimes
[04:42] <mhz> ogra: so what happened to Kyral ? is he or not a member?
[04:42] <ogra> he is, see -meeting
[04:43] <mhz> oh, there we go, never mind :)
[04:45] <juliux> ogra, is the meeting today ?
[04:45] <ogra> CC ? yes
[04:46] <juliux> should it be on the 7th of december ?
[04:46] <ogra> now
[04:46] <juliux> oh
[04:46] <mhz> juliux: lol!
[04:46] <juliux> mhz, there was on page who stands 7th
[04:46] <mhz> sorry
[04:47] <ogra> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncilAgenda
[05:07] <K_Dallas> Hi guys! Q: is there any liveCD version of edubuntu out there? i am going to give out a few ubuntu CDs to my kid's school and thought a liveCD of edubuntu would be a better start. thanks
[05:08] <zakame> hi all
[05:09] <ogra> K_Dallas, not for the released version ... the dev version should have a liveCD before ednt of the week if you like to test it
[05:10] <K_Dallas> of course, i would be looking forward to
[05:11] <K_Dallas> would it be announced on the webpage?
[05:11] <ogra> on the mailing list normally, but the webpage is a good idea ...
[05:12] <K_Dallas> great, i will have an eye on it. thanks Oge_ 
[05:12] <K_Dallas> oops
[05:12] <K_Dallas> ogra, ;)
[05:12] <ogra> :)
[05:13] <K_Dallas> i was reading some of the posts here. http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/2619
[05:13] <K_Dallas> i hope the good points find their place in edubuntu
[05:14] <K_Dallas> i also found a french team working on a liveCD-fr which is great ;)
[05:14] <K_Dallas> http://wiki.ubuntu-fr.org/edubuntu/livecd
[05:16] <ogra> wow, nice :)
[05:20] <K_Dallas> i was wondering if edubuntu going to adopt kde instead of gnome. most of the programs i know of for education purposes are based on kde if not all of them
[05:21] <K_Dallas> and kde is probably has a more familiar face for students who are used to windows
[05:21] <ogra> nope, but there are some people thinking about making a community project 
[05:21] <K_Dallas> i see
[05:22] <K_Dallas> i am personally glad that ubuntu is gnome oriented but projects should also look into the clients diversity and background, imho
[05:22] <ogra> as long as i develop edubuntu alone it will stay gnome based, i simply have no idea abut kde and no ambition to learn it... additionally i can rely on my colleagues to help me out, our kde development is also done by only on person
[05:24] <Lord_Athur> hi
[05:24] <mhz> Lord_Athur: hi
[05:24] <zakame> hey Lord_Athur 
[05:25] <Lord_Athur> tell me zakame 
[05:25] <zakame> Lord_Athur: what? as long as I know :)
[05:26] <Lord_Athur> :P
[05:26] <mhz_lunch> Lord_Athur: hey = hi
[05:26] <Lord_Athur> ap ok
[05:27] <mhz_lunch> K_Dallas: I am starting to work on a windowmaker theme for edubuntu users with light/old hardware
[05:29] <Lord_Athur> :D
[05:29] <Lord_Athur> it's a good idea mhz_lunch 
[05:30] <Lord_Athur> remember to add the project to your wiki page, I'd like to see itr
[05:30] <Lord_Athur> la "R" al final no va
[05:30] <Lord_Athur> xD
[05:30] <zakame> mhz_lunch: woot
[05:30] <Lord_Athur> mhz_lunch, 
[05:31] <mhz_lunch> between eating and helping my daughter eat, and cook, i dont think i can have fingers to type replies to IRC :D
[05:32] <ogra> train your feet then :P
[05:32] <Lord_Athur> :P
[05:32] <mhz_lunch> lol
[05:32] <mhz_lunch> ogra: http://new-www.theopencd.org/Welcome
[05:32] <mhz_lunch> hno73 did a real cool job
[05:33] <mhz_lunch> Moin looks quite impressive IMO
[05:33] <ogra> yes, the last time already :)
[05:33] <ogra> oh, you mean the design, not the content *g*
[05:33] <mhz_lunch> design
[05:33] <mhz_lunch> :)
[05:34] <jsgotangco> yes we're moving the opencd to a moin based infrastructure
[05:34] <zakame> mhz_lunch: ooh it looks great :)
[05:35] <jsgotangco> mhz_lunch, it'll make derivatives easier for people
[05:35] <jsgotangco> we're using moin moin desktop for starters
[05:35] <K_Dallas> mhz_lunch, i use ubuntu but like the windowmaker if i could use it on m system. as for the daughter's school, i think kde is more opt to their experience
[05:35] <ogra> jsgotangco, wow, with a moin based bootsplash etc ? *g*
[05:36] <jsgotangco> haha
[05:36] <zakame> lol
[05:36] <K_Dallas> i havent installe edubuntu on any machine yet, just seen the screenshots
[05:36] <ogra> K_Dallas, make sure you read the InstallNotes (/topic) before :)
[05:37] <K_Dallas> ok :)
[05:37] <jsgotangco> ogra, http://www.flickr.com/photos/belutz/sets/1524102/
[05:37] <jsgotangco> look at the laptop
[05:37] <mhz_lunch> K_Dallas: yup, my point was that if we provide more enduser with less hw resources, we provide more options to gnome
[05:37] <jsgotangco> (its from Belutz btw)
[05:37] <K_Dallas> http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuInstallNote is what you mean ogra ?
[05:37] <ogra> yup
[05:37] <K_Dallas> mhz_lunch, true
[05:37] <ogra> since you wont need the ltsp for standalone installs ... 
[05:38] <mhz_lunch> jsgotangco: i have been testing some ways to syn Moin desktop with Moin server /data
[05:38] <ogra> jsgotangco, cool :)
[05:38] <mhz_lunch> sync
[05:38] <K_Dallas> ogra, thanks for the headup
[05:39] <ogra> :)
[05:40] <K_Dallas> lol ;)
[05:41] <K_Dallas> mhz_lunch, use a straw ;)
[05:41] <mhz_lunch> hehehe
[05:42] <zakame> jsgotangco: er have you met Belutz irl?
[05:42] <ogra> feed your kid before she starves 
[05:43] <zakame> hrhr
[05:43] <jsgotangco> zakame, i should have, a few days ago...if i had time...
[05:43] <mhz_lunch> ogra: i can't wait she develops her python skills and make a program like pyfeedingkids
[05:43] <mhz_lunch> :D
[05:43] <ogra> hehe
[05:43] <mhz_lunch> so parents have more time to do *nix stuff
[05:44] <mhz_lunch> with kids collabotarion
[05:44] <zakame> jsgotangco: wow, they had a lot there... I wonder when we could do that here :)
[05:44] <mhz_lunch> so, a happy *nix-quality-family-time
[05:44] <jsgotangco> zakame, when i start distributing the 300CDs that i hvae
[05:44] <jsgotangco> *if i get time*
[05:44] <jsgotangco> zakame, that was jakarta deb conf btw
[05:45] <zakame> jsgotangco: you got it now?
[05:45] <jsgotangco> zakame, thursday
[05:45] <zakame> w00t
[06:19] <Absorto> Hello!
[06:20] <Absorto> How can I use KDM thru XDMCP when in LTSP?
[06:21] <Absorto> I tried using SCREEN_0 = startx but that doesn't work.
[06:21] <Absorto> In fact, i think I'm having some other problem since I tried to Xnest -query kdmhost and that didn't work either.
[06:22] <Absorto> The Xnest window just flickers and says "Could not init font path element /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/CID/, removing from list!" over and over.
[06:23] <Absorto> I modified /etc/kde3/kdm/kdmrc to enable xdmcp and Xaccess to allow logins from any host.
[06:23] <Absorto> Any clues?
[06:24] <Absorto> oh, i apt-got kubuntu-desktop and chose kdm. The local X server displays kdm just fine.
[06:40] <spacey> uhm
[06:40] <spacey> just enable xdmcp in the xserver
[06:40] <spacey> enable tcp
[06:40] <spacey> in x
[06:40] <spacey> and
[06:41] <Absorto> where do I enable tcp?
[06:41] <spacey> hack the thinclient a bit
[06:41] <spacey> not sure where that flag suppose to be in ubuntu
[06:41] <spacey> might be in the script that starts X or some config
[06:42] <spacey> however all that stuff is not supported
[06:42] <Absorto> i enabled xdmcp in /etc/kde3/kdm/kdmrc
[06:42] <spacey> because we want to it run over ssh by default
[06:42] <spacey> i don't use ide
[06:42] <spacey> kde
[06:43] <Absorto> over ssh by default? thats how ldm does it?
[06:43] <ogra> yes
[06:43] <Absorto> awesome! 
[06:44] <Absorto> does edubuntu run some sort of iptables script? could it be firewall related?
[06:44] <ogra> nope
[06:45] <ogra> the ubuntu Xserver simply is made more secure ... tcp is disabled generally
[06:45] <ogra> ho open ports policy ....
[06:45] <ogra> s/ho/no/
[06:46] <ogra> look if your X runs with the --nolisten-tcp option ...if it does, you need to hack kdm ...
[06:47] <Absorto> ServerArgsLocal=-nolisten tcp in kdmrc! let's see
[06:47] <Absorto> nope, that wasn't it.
[06:48] <ogra> you need to hack ltsp client too, ldm wont let you use something else than ssh tunneled connections
[06:49] <Absorto> ogra, I want to use kdm instead of ldm. I think I should debug kdm first, and then use SCREEN_0 = startx.
[06:49] <ogra> so you need to make sure ldm isnt started and install say GDM or KDM in the chroot
[06:49] <Absorto> I'm trying to connect to kdm from a Xnest client/server first.
[06:49] <spacey> that should always work
[06:50] <spacey> even when tcp is disabled
[06:50] <ogra> also see http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuLtsConfParams for supported options ...
[06:50] <spacey> afiak
[06:50] <ogra> not everything is supported yet (SCREEN_0 is though)
[06:50] <Absorto> well, i read /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/lib/ltsp/screen.d/startx, it says it shoud run a local X server on the client with a -query parameter, precisely to connect via xdmcp
[06:51] <Absorto> but before I debug the thinclient i should be able to conect to kdm from other x servers, right?
[06:51] <ogra> yup
[06:52] <ogra> does your processlist agree that X isnt running the --nolisten option anymore ? 
[06:52] <ogra> afaik KDM is very buggy in this area
[06:52] <ogra> i'd suggest GDM, even for KDE
[06:54] <Absorto> well, i just checked from a running kde setup and it includes --nolisten tcp
[06:54] <Absorto> so i think that isn't related
[06:56] <mhz> re
[06:59] <JayAllen> Hey, folks.
[07:00] <JayAllen> Just finished an Edubuntu install,  but the system isn't recognizing my 3Com Etherlink III card. Is the driver for this installed by default, and if not, where should I grab it from?
[07:04] <vmarks> I think I've used that card before without issue.
[07:04] <vmarks> can you set it up in the networking preferences?
[07:17] <JayAllen> No, it doesn't appear.
[07:18] <JayAllen> I just found a setup program for it - I'm going to try compiling and running it.
[07:18] <JayAllen> There's a special setup for the 3c5x9 cards from 3com. We'll see if that does the trick.
[07:20] <ogra> first look if the module loads with sudo modprobe 3c59x
[07:20] <ogra> there normally is no NIC apart from proprietary ones that doesnt work in ubuntu/edubuntu
[07:21] <JayAllen> lemme try
[07:21] <ogra> might be a autosensing issue with the switch/router ...
[07:29] <JayAllen> Ok,looks like it's loaded, but Loopback interface is still the only device that shows up in the Network dialog.
[07:31] <ogra> what does dmesg say, is the interface mentioned in the last lines after the modprobe ? 
[07:31] <ogra> i have uch a card aroud somewhere, it always worked out of the box
[07:31] <JayAllen> lemme check
[07:34] <JayAllen> Huh. The log says pnp found the device, identified its MAC address and IRQ (5), and loaded the associated 3c509 driver.
[07:35] <ogra> sudo ifup eth0 ? 
[07:36] <ogra> what doe sthat give you ? 
[07:36] <JayAllen> Ignoring unnown interface eth0=eth0
[07:40] <JayAllen> But ifconfig eth0 shows the address of the card, interrupt, base addr, etc.
[07:41] <ogra> you did the server installation  ? 
[07:42] <ogra> (i.e. default ?)
[07:42] <JayAllen> Yeah, default install.
[07:42] <ogra> and you gave an IP GW etc address
[07:42] <ogra> ?
[07:43] <ogra> http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuInstallNotes
[07:45] <JayAllen> It didn't detect the card at boot - I had no chance to. LTSP install failed later on, after the system failed to find the net card
[07:46] <ogra> hmm, strange ... i never saw probs with 3com cards
[07:46] <ogra> did you want a sevr install ? 
[07:46] <JayAllen> It worked fine under the previous Windows XP install. It's odd. It's not like it's John and Pat's Discount Ethernet Card or anything.
[07:47] <JayAllen> I'm doing a review of Edubuntu for BloggingBaby.com, a parenting blog I co-manage. I went through the defaults, thinking most non-tech-savvy parents would do likewise.
[07:48] <JayAllen> I might try and reinstall using workstation and see if that makes a difference.
[07:48] <ogra> its advised to read the InstallNotes before ... i sadly couldnt add all auto generation features, edubuntu is a one man show and had only 2 months development time and 1 month bugfixing time
[07:49] <JayAllen> Totally understood. :) 
[07:49] <JayAllen> I might try the workstation install and see if that changes things.
[07:49] <ogra> but that the card isnt found by the installer is pretty unusual
[07:51] <JayAllen> It looks from the logs like it can find it - it just can't use it, for whatever reason...
[07:52] <ogra> thats pretty weird ...
[07:55] <JayAllen> No, workstation pre-install doesn't detect the 3com card either.
[07:56] <JayAllen> So I'll stick with this install and just try and figure this crap out. I might switch the card to see if it makes the  problem go away.
[07:57] <ogra> most likely it will go away
[07:58] <JayAllen> I can only hope.
[07:59] <ogra> youre the first with this prob ... afaik
[07:59] <ogra> AHA !
[07:59] <ogra> http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=16874
[08:00] <ogra> its a kernel bug :)
[08:00] <ogra> affects redhat too apparently ...
[08:08] <JayAllen> checking now...
[08:11] <JayAllen> So can I just set acpi=off? Where do I do that?
[08:12] <ogra> at the CD bootprompt you type: linux acpi=off
[08:14] <BenC> JayAllen: also, it's fixed in dapper kernel, so if you can do an install, and then upgrade to dapper kernel (or wait a few days for dapper flight 2 cd's), then you should be ok
[08:18] <JayAllen> Ok, sounds good.
[08:18] <JayAllen> Thanks for the help!
[08:18] <ogra> JayAllen, youre welcome, come back if you have more questions :)
[08:19] <JayAllen> Hm. Actually, booting with linux acpi=off doesn't detect the card during pre-install either. :-(
[08:19] <JayAllen> Screw it.It's less work at this point to switch the card out.
[09:33] <\sh> moins
[09:33] <ogra> hi
[09:34] <unimatrix9> hi there
[09:35] <unimatrix9> i read somewhere that its also possible to install ubuntu and then the edubuntu desktop on top?
[09:35] <ogra> yup
[09:35] <unimatrix9> ok, so i got ubuntu 5.10
[09:35] <unimatrix9> can i download the edubuntu desktop somewhere and put it on cdrom?
[09:36] <ogra> not really, it has dependencys ...
[09:36] <unimatrix9> hmm, so it would be better ,after all, to just install edubuntu straight away, right?
[09:36] <ogra> then i'd reather go for the edubuntu iso ... instaed of fiddling with single packages
[09:37] <ogra> if you have an online connection or the edubuntu CD handy its no prob to install edubuntu-desktop on top of ubuntu though ...
[09:37] <ogra> edubuntu is develped inside of ubuntu...
[09:37] <ogra> *developed
[09:38] <unimatrix9> so , maybe, (theory) i could install ubuntu and add media with edubuntu cdrom?
[09:38] <ogra> yup, for example 
[09:39] <unimatrix9> this way i would have more choices for packages..
[09:39] <unimatrix9> its for an school , but no internet acces
[09:39] <unimatrix9> bit of a problem....
[09:40] <unimatrix9> less options this way...
[09:40] <unimatrix9> :)
[09:41] <unimatrix9> there is no ubuntu dvd, is there?
[09:41] <chevy> hi anybody have a couple of minutes to help out with an install problem?
[09:41] <unimatrix9> any way thanx for the info
[09:41] <blue-frog> there is a dvd
[09:42] <unimatrix9> really, oh, did not know that...
[09:42] <blue-frog> unimatrix9, do you have access to a laptop otherwise?
[09:43] <ogra> there is even a edubuntu dvd :)
[09:43] <ogra> chevy, ?
[09:44] <chevy> yep
[09:44] <ogra> just ask your questions, no need to ask if you may ask :)
[09:44] <chevy> its a couple of problems, ethernet (3Com) and sound (Creative)
[09:45] <chevy> during install the ethernet card isnt recognised . . 
[09:45] <ogra> hmm, 3vcom day today
[09:45] <ogra> *3com
[09:45] <chevy> it said something about no ethernet but a firewire interface (i dont have firewire btw)
[09:45] <unimatrix9> yes
[09:45] <ogra> i didnt eve know about the prob until today, youre the second guy having it during 2h
[09:46] <chevy> after install/logging in i looked up network setup and no ethernet present
[09:46] <chevy> device manager has nothing
[09:46] <ogra> thats a kernel bug that affects all distros it seems http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=16874
[09:46] <chevy> lspci does not list any ethernet card
[09:47] <chevy> i had mandrake installed on the same PC until yesterday and it worked fine . .same kernel
[09:47] <chevy> (i think) !!
[09:47] <ogra> see the bugreport
[09:48] <chevy> looking
[09:48] <chevy> tks
[09:49] <chevy> i'll try that.  on to problem #2
[09:49] <ogra> might be related :)
[09:50] <chevy> creative soundblaster not recognised as no sound coming out
[09:50] <chevy> ah
[09:50] <ogra> hwats wrong with your sound
[09:50] <ogra> hmm
[09:50] <ogra> lsmod |grep snd ?
[09:50] <ogra> does that give any output ? 
[09:50] <chevy> booting up now . .i'll post the results in a mo
[09:50] <unimatrix9> creative soundblaster, should be fine
[09:50] <ogra> paste to pastebin ...
[09:50] <unimatrix9> with alsa
[09:50] <ogra> (see /topic)
[09:51] <ogra> yes, it should .... 
[09:51] <ogra> but if there are acpi probs already it might be related
[09:51] <unimatrix9> i wonder what kind of pc it is
[09:52] <unimatrix9> alway's try with live cd before install....
[09:53] <ogra> es, that helps ...
[09:53] <ogra> *yes
[09:56] <unimatrix9> ok, for school i go for the ubuntu install and the edubuntu as added media, i can then choose edubuntu desktop as package ?
[09:56] <unimatrix9> or would it be better the other way round?
[09:56] <ogra> both is fine
[09:57] <ogra> the edubuntu CD contains ubuntu plus the edubuntu content ...
[09:57] <ogra> and some changes to the installer
[09:57] <unimatrix9> ok, but there is an package called edubuntu? that i can install , or how is it called?
[09:58] <ogra> edubuntu-desktop 
[09:58] <unimatrix9> thats clear thank you for your time...
[09:58] <ogra> (which pulls in all the edu apps and edubuntu-artwork
[09:58] <unimatrix9> very fine! :p
[09:59] <ogra> you can use the edubuntu CD, do a "server" install and install ubuntu-desktop afterwards 
[09:59] <ogra> so you could go with one media ...
[09:59] <ogra> http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuInstallNotes
[10:00] <ogra> server is the minimal install (i'll rename it to "core" for the next release to avoid confusion)
[10:01] <unimatrix9> ok
[10:02] <unimatrix9> i read the page
[10:02] <unimatrix9> have read it....
[10:02] <chevy> unimatrix - it is a PII-233
[10:03] <unimatrix9> ah, and sound works?
[10:04] <chevy> lsmod|gred snd returned nothing
[10:04] <ogra> s/gred/grep/
[10:04] <chevy> sorry grep
[10:04] <ogra> try: sudo /etc/init.d/alsa start 
[10:05] <ogra> and see what that gives ...
[10:05] <ogra> hmm, actually, is that an isa card ? 
[10:05] <ogra> isa might have probs ..
[10:06] <chevy> PCI ?
[10:06] <chevy> creative soundblaster
[10:06] <ogra> should work ...
[10:06] <chevy> here's the result
[10:06] <chevy> Warning: The 'start' method is deprecated and will be removed
[10:06] <chevy> Warning: Use the alsa-utils initscript instead
[10:06] <ogra> oh, then 
[10:06] <chevy> * Setting up ALSA... [ok] 
[10:07] <chevy> but doesnt work
[10:07] <ogra> try: sudo /etc/init.d/alsa-utils start 
[10:07] <chevy> * Setting up ALSA... [ok] 
[10:07] <ogra> is a sound module loaded ? 
[10:08] <chevy> tried launching Volume Control but getting a msg No volume control elements and/or devices found
[10:08] <ogra> strange 
[10:08] <unimatrix9> modprobe...?
[10:08] <ogra> thats what alsa-utils should do
[10:08] <chevy> modprobe snd?
[10:08] <ogra> paste your lspci output to the pastebin please 
[10:09] <ogra> (see /topic)
[10:09] <chevy> i'll have to type it out as that PC has neither sound nor network !!
[10:09] <unimatrix9> what brand is the pc?
[10:10] <ogra> so try to gt networking up first ...
[10:10] <unimatrix9> dont you rember what mandrake used for the card?
[10:10] <ogra> as the bugreport indicates
[10:10] <chevy> lspci lists the following --> Host bridge, PCI bridge, ISA bridge, IDE interface, USB controller, Bridge, VGA Compatible controller
[10:10] <ogra> no soundcard ...
[10:10] <chevy> nope
[10:10] <ogra> i'm pretty sure thats a acpi error ...
[10:10] <chevy> ok i'll give that a go now
[10:10] <ogra> or your soundcard is isa ...
[10:11] <chevy> are acpi settings controlled via boot/grub/menu.lst ?
[10:11] <unimatrix9> chevy, with mandrak everything worked?
[10:11] <ogra> just do it on boot
[10:11] <chevy> uni, yes everything did . . 
[10:11] <chevy> out of the box
[10:12] <ogra> hit esc if you see the grub msg 
[10:12] <ogra> then select the kernel line you use and hit e ...
[10:12] <ogra> hit e again and append the option to the kernel line 
[10:12] <ogra> then hit enter and b
[10:13] <ogra> e == edit, b == boot
[10:14] <chevy> kernel line - should it be recovery mode?
[10:14] <ogra> nope
[10:14] <chevy> probably not
[10:14] <chevy> ok
[10:14] <ogra> the default kernel
[10:15] <chevy> hit e again and append the option to the kernel line --> there are 3 opions 1) root 2)kernel 3)initrd  which one should i select
[10:16] <ogra> kernel
[10:16] <unimatrix9> interesting
[10:16] <ogra> it should say quiet splash at ther end
[10:16] <chevy> yep
[10:16] <chevy> booting
[10:16] <ogra> add acpi=off with a space 
[10:16] <ogra> ok
[10:17] <chevy> didnt add the space at the end
[10:17] <ogra> no, in front :)
[10:17] <chevy> yep did that
[10:17] <chevy> lol
[10:17] <ogra> i.e: splash acpi=off
[10:17] <chevy> yep got that
[10:17] <ogra> i have peple that just append it :)
[10:17] <ogra> so i mention it
[10:18] <chevy> booting through . . so far the router isn't lighting up
[10:19] <chevy> logged in . , bringin up terminal
[10:19] <unimatrix9> on the back there's an light for the network too?...mostly..
[10:19] <chevy> lets have a look
[10:20] <unimatrix9> sounds like an old pc...lol
[10:20] <ogra> yup
[10:20] <chevy> this is an elderly card . . doesn't have one . . 
[10:20] <chevy> yes it is!! 1998 specs
[10:20] <chevy> my son uses it
[10:21] <unimatrix9> hopefully enough ram...hehe
[10:21] <chevy> he was pretty thrilled when i installed edubuntu . . a bit disappointed with the sound not working but that hasn't held him back!!
[10:21] <chevy> 128MB
[10:21] <unimatrix9> a bit low
[10:21] <chevy> really?
[10:21] <unimatrix9> never mind...
[10:21] <chevy> i had a dual boot win2K and mandrake 10.1 on this until yesterday!!
[10:22] <chevy> tad slow but worked well
[10:22] <unimatrix9> you know for my linux boxes i buy sweex 4.1 soundcards
[10:22] <unimatrix9> they are really cheap 9 euro
[10:22] <chevy> ok lspci has the same output as before ..  no sound card, no ethernet
[10:22] <chevy> lsmod no result
[10:22] <unimatrix9> strange problem...
[10:23] <chevy> didnt add the space at the end
[10:23] <chevy> sudo /etc/.... same result as before
[10:23] <chevy> no diff really
[10:23] <chevy> checking device manager
[10:24] <chevy> nothing there
[10:25] <chevy> just checked the file /boot/grub/menu.lst and the kernel line doesn't have the acpi=off setting . . perhaps i messed up the save
[10:26] <chevy> shall i add it directly to the file and reboot?
[10:28] <unimatrix9> orga?
[10:30] <chevy> ogra u there?
[10:31] <unimatrix9> reading back..
[10:31] <unimatrix9> you did also try lsmod?
[10:32] <unimatrix9> to see if it was there right?
[10:32] <chevy> yes
[10:32] <chevy> no output
[10:34] <unimatrix9> do you need an driver cd for sound in windows?
[10:34] <chevy> not really it has usually recognised it
[10:35] <unimatrix9> its probably not an creative sound blaster then...
[10:36] <unimatrix9> hmm, gone with the wind..
[10:36] <unimatrix9> orga?
[10:37] <unimatrix9> orga got visitors or is on the telephone, or fell asleep, 
[10:37] <unimatrix9> LOL
[10:37] <chevy> back
[10:37] <unimatrix9> was just waving goodbye...
[10:38] <unimatrix9> chevy, i cant solve the problem, to bad...
[10:38] <chevy> ok anyway thanks for the help ..  i'll poke around for some time and see if anything works out . . 
[10:38] <chevy> appreciate it
[10:38] <unimatrix9> but i dont think its an creative soundblaster
[10:38] <unimatrix9> ( pci version )
[10:38] <chevy> it is a pci card
[10:39] <unimatrix9> as they need drivers from cdrom most of the time
[10:39] <unimatrix9> at least thats what i am used to, with these cards on windows
[10:40] <unimatrix9> on the card, when you take it out, on the chip
[10:40] <unimatrix9> there is an identifcation, so you know what it is..
[10:41] <unimatrix9> you could also boot into windows and see afcause
[10:41] <chevy> actually yes, i have had to download drivers each time i reinstalled windows
[10:41] <unimatrix9> ah
[10:41] <chevy> but with mandrake it worked straightaway
[10:41] <chevy> i just used to run soundctl once after install and then it worked
[10:41] <unimatrix9> yes, mandrake is user friendly...
[10:42] <chevy> but here, its not even recognising the card exists . . which is frustrating
[10:42] <alistair_> the certification for ubuntu, any plans to do an edubuntu one? like specific with ltsp etc?
[10:42] <unimatrix9> i understand chevy, all too well
[10:42] <chevy> one last Q . . as there is no concept of root, how do i work on system folders?
[10:42] <chevy> through terminal
[10:42] <ogra> sudo 
[10:42] <unimatrix9> especially when trying to setup for someone else
[10:43] <ogra> sorry , my line dropped 
[10:43] <chevy> wb ogra
[10:43] <chevy> you were sorely missed :-)
[10:43] <ogra> does: cat /proc/net/dev|grep eth
[10:43] <unimatrix9> you picked it up again...so thats okey
[10:43] <chevy> i was just ranting to uni
[10:43] <unimatrix9> :)
[10:43] <ogra> spit out anything ? 
[10:43] <chevy> trying
[10:44] <chevy> nothing
[10:44] <ogra> hmm...
[10:44] <chevy> so acpi=off didn't have any effect
[10:44] <ogra> lsmod |grep 3c
[10:44] <unimatrix9> ogra, how come lsmod gives nothing?
[10:44] <chevy> i have even opened up the case and reset the cards . . 
[10:44] <chevy> nothing
[10:44] <ogra> unimatrix9, see the bug, its a kernel bug in 2.6
[10:45] <unimatrix9> ah
[10:45] <ogra> solved in 2.6.14
[10:45] <ogra> i'm guessing mandrake uses 2.4 and oss ...
[10:45] <ogra> while we use 2.6 and alsa
[10:45] <ogra> which should still work though ... 
[10:45] <chevy> mandrake uses alsa as well as oss
[10:46] <unimatrix9> yes, mandrake uses oss, and you can also choose alsa, if its there for your soundcard
[10:46] <ogra> we use alsa by default ... but oss emulation on top where needed
[10:46] <chevy> afaik mandrake defaulted to alsa for this PC/card combo
[10:48] <ogra> i'm pretty sure crimsun could help with the sound issue ... 
[10:48] <ogra> he works on alsa upstream ...
[10:48] <ogra> but he's away it seems
[10:48] <unimatrix9> but its rather strange that the card never shows up any where, right?
[10:49] <ogra> yes
[10:49] <chevy> nowhere at all
[10:50] <unimatrix9> is it maybe an pci raiser card on an desktop computer, and the whole stackis not detected, wow?
[10:50] <ogra> try booting with: pci=noacpi
[10:50] <chevy> ok 
[10:51] <ogra> to switch off acpi explicitly for the pci bus
[10:51] <chevy> same procedure as before?
[10:51] <ogra> yup
[10:51] <unimatrix9> well, its late, hope you work it out, got to get some sleep..., 
[10:52] <chevy> thanks uni
[10:52] <unimatrix9> bye bye...its been educational for me! 
[10:52] <ogra> heh
[10:52] <ogra> :)
[10:52] <chevy> pci=noacpi or pcpi=nopci?
[10:53] <chevy> pci
[10:53] <ogra> the first is right
[10:53] <chevy> ok
[10:57] <chevy> booted
[10:57] <ogra> sound ? 
[10:57] <chevy> none
[10:57] <ogra> sad
[10:58] <ogra> does lspci show you the card ? 
[10:59] <chevy> not yet!
[10:59] <chevy> looks like a dead end
[11:00] <ogra> yes
[11:00] <ogra> its strange that its not shown 
[11:00] <ogra> are you sure its a pci card ? 
[11:00] <chevy> any idea what that firewire stuff was all about?
[11:00] <ogra> nope
[11:00] <chevy> what if it is isa .. 
[11:01] <chevy> isapnp comes to mind from ages ago
[11:01] <ogra> you might need to initialise it manually with isapnp
[11:01] <chevy> any idea how i can do that?
[11:03] <chevy> soundblaster AWE64 . . google shows up isa pnp
[11:03] <ogra> heh, thats why ...
[11:04] <ogra> install isapnptools
[11:04] <ogra> and run pnpdump ...
[11:04] <ogra> there must be mowtos online ... its years ago that i had to do such stuff 
[11:04] <chevy> the tools . . are they on the CD?
[11:05] <chevy> ok i'll look it up and giv eit a go
[11:05] <ogra> nope, in universe 
[11:05] <chevy> universe?
[11:05] <ogra> for the network card issue my only idea is to use another one :/
[11:06] <ogra> yes, use the synaptic package manager and enable the universe repository ...
[11:06] <chevy> that's easily done ..  i can get another one . . any make other than 3Com?
[11:06] <ogra> yup
[11:06] <chevy> ok
[11:06] <ogra> seems only 3com has this issue and only with a specific kernel version
[11:06] <chevy> in edubuntu, do i select Add Apps to get pnptools?
[11:07] <ogra> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[11:08] <chevy> universe added
[11:08] <ogra> add the universe repository and add universe to get access to the 17000 apps there
[11:08] <chevy> but needs the internet :(
[11:08] <ogra> yes :/
[11:08] <chevy> going round in circles comes to mind!!!!
[11:08] <ogra> so solve the card issue first 
[11:08] <chevy> i think i need to sort out the network card first
[11:08] <chevy> yep
[11:09] <ogra> yup
[11:09] <chevy> LoL
[11:09] <ogra> :)
[11:09] <chevy> thanks for your help tonight
[11:09] <chevy> learnt a few things along the way!
[11:10] <ogra> and i refreshed some :)
[11:10] <ogra> thanks as well :)
[11:10] <chevy> probably fix the network card and return for the sound card tomorrow . . catch you if you're around
[11:11] <ogra> yup, feel free :)
[11:11] <chevy> g'night
[11:11] <ogra> night 
[11:37] <arkan0x> mhz_stuff, !
[11:45] <Absorto> ogra, remember I was trying to xdmcp to kdm? well, I think it might be a genuine bug in kdm. I found this: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=114385
[11:45] <Absorto> besides: i tried with gdm and it worked.
[11:45] <ogra> i told you so :)
 does your processlist agree that X isnt running the --nolisten option anymore ? 
 afaik KDM is very buggy in this area
 i'd suggest GDM, even for KDE
[11:46] <ogra> ;)
[11:46] <Absorto> well, the bug says it has a fixed status but... well, it doesnt work! what should I do?
[11:46] <ogra> use GDM
[11:46] <ogra> its not *this* bad :)
[11:46] <Absorto> I would but I really need kdm :(
[11:47] <ogra> why that ? its only the login app
[11:47] <Absorto> I know but we have an enterprise theme that is supposed to be deployed :(
[11:47] <ogra> port it ? 
[11:48] <Absorto> and there's some scripts that must be run from Xstartup
[11:48] <ogra> GDM can do that too
[11:48] <ogra> i cant fix KDM ... 
[11:48] <ogra> so the only fix is to actually use GDM/XDM/etc
[11:49] <Absorto> Yes, I understand that. 
[11:49] <ogra> and hope for the KDE guys ...
[11:50] <Absorto> and the edubuntu guys...
[11:51] <ogra> guy
[11:51] <ogra> i'm still seeking for more developers :)
[11:52] <arkan0x> mhz_stuff, ! ping
[11:52] <Absorto> that would be you? wow!
[11:52] <Absorto> I'm willing to help! I just don't know what to do. Should I try to compile from skratch?
[11:52] <ogra> contributions greatfully accepted :)
[11:52] <mhz_stuff> arkan0x: pong
[11:53] <ogra> your KDM ? dunno, probably \sh can help 
[11:56] <arkan0x> mhz_stuff, entonz la reunion se corre para cuando ?
[11:56] <arkan0x> mhz_stuff, jueves ?
[11:56] <mhz_stuff> debiera ser jueves
[11:56] <arkan0x> mhz_stuff, me complica a mi el jueves :P
[11:57] <mhz_stuff> uufff
[11:57] <mhz_stuff> arkan0x: #edubuntu-es
[11:57] <arkan0x> mhz_stuff, ok
[11:59] <ogra> Absorto, probably #ltsp has a solution ...
[12:00] <Absorto> thanks, 
[12:01] <mherweg> hi all
[12:02] <ogra> mherweg, hey ... late guy :)
[12:02] <mherweg> I installed edubuntu-amd64. how can I install LTSP for i368 Clints now ?
[12:02] <ogra> you cant  (in breezy)
[12:02] <ogra> i just prepared the patch for dapper 
[12:03] <mherweg> hmm...