=== warren_ [n=warren@auproxy1.proxy.lucent.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === wj1 [n=Warren@auproxy1.proxy.lucent.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@cpe-69-205-38-37.nycap.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === wj1 [n=Warren@auproxy1.proxy.lucent.com] has left #ubuntu-doc [] === wj1 [n=Warren@auproxy1.proxy.lucent.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mdke_ [n=matt@ubuntu/member/mdke] has joined #ubuntu-doc === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-doc === macgyver2 [n=eric@pdpc/supporter/student/macgyver2] has left #ubuntu-doc ["Leaving"] === LaserJock [n=LaserJoc@adsl-69-109-10-13.dsl.renocs.pacbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === HrdwrBoB_ [n=matt@bob.is.teh.admin.at.vicnet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc === HrdwrBoB [n=matt@bob.is.teh.admin.at.vicnet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc === wj1 [n=Warren@auproxy1.proxy.lucent.com] has left #ubuntu-doc [] === bhuvan [n=bhuvan@b14.gw.maa.collab.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === wjb [n=warren@c220-237-178-175.lowrp1.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc === wjb [n=warren@c220-237-178-175.lowrp1.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc === wjb [n=warren@c220-237-178-175.lowrp1.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc === theCore [n=theCore@Toronto-HSE-ppp3714657.sympatico.ca] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:53] theCore: hi [06:55] LaserJock, hi [06:56] LaserJock, i rethinked about the hello packages as examples, and i now think it's a good idea [06:57] LaserJock, pretty sure about that [06:57] LaserJock, they quite complete examples [06:58] they are* [06:58] LaserJock, have you started something ? [07:01] (Did you begin something?) <-- it is clearer like that ;) [07:01] theCore: no, I worked on the outline some more. I am going to email the ubuntu-motu list to get feedback on our outline. [07:01] okay [07:02] but right now I have some real life work to do and I am up for membership tomorrow morning at the CC meeting. === jsgotangco [n=jsg@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:03] i understand [07:03] hi all [07:03] theCore: did you want to start on something [07:03] hi jsgotangco [07:04] what's up dudes? [07:04] rob1, ping? [07:04] jsgotangco: no much, we were discussing the Ubuntu Packaging Guide [07:04] s/no/not/ === wjb [n=warren@c220-237-178-175.lowrp1.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:12] LaserJock, the outline is coming very well [07:13] LaserJock, yes [07:16] LaserJock, so where i can start ? [07:18] theCore: at the beginning? [07:18] theCore: are you going to work in XML? [07:19] LaserJock, yes [07:19] theCore: How about doing the Introduction? [07:20] LaserJock, okay [07:20] LaserJock, we start from scratch ? [07:24] theCore: yes, I think it would be easier if we did [07:24] theCore: you don't have to do it perfectly. Just give it a rough draft [07:25] LaserJock, okay [07:34] LaserJock, do we make the guide in multiple file ? [07:34] LaserJock, or in a single one ? [07:37] jsgotangco, ping [07:37] hi [07:37] we're not receiving mails in ubuntu-doc-commits mailing list [07:37] is it wise to add it to cc agenda ? [07:37] hrmmmm [07:38] bhuvan, i don't know how its setup at the moment but jdub is the one managing all the ubuntu lists... [07:38] i can ask hem [07:38] s/hem/him [07:38] cool [07:39] fwiw, the problem exists since dec 02 [07:39] ahh i was out of the country then === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-doc === manicka [n=grant@203-158-39-222.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:51] theCore: sorry, I was working on something else. what do you think? I would think that eventually we will need multiple files but right now it is probably easier to do just one. [07:52] LaserJock, it's what i thinked [07:53] if you choose multiple files, use xincludes [07:55] rob1, i all ready use it [07:55] *already [07:57] right now, i'm making the placeholders for the guide [07:58] theCore: ok, I gotta get to bed. Email me what you have done when you feel like it. good luck ;-) [08:00] LaserJock, cya later [08:01] cya === LaserJock [n=LaserJoc@adsl-69-109-10-13.dsl.renocs.pacbell.net] has left #ubuntu-doc [] === rob1 [n=rob@ubuntu/member/rob1] has joined #ubuntu-doc === dholbach [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/dholbach] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:43] hellas [08:43] any objections on me doing another docs upload now? [08:43] (to dapper) [08:44] sure [08:44] load up the crack machine! [08:45] rock'n'roll [08:45] 1626 lines of changes since last time [08:45] you guys rock === robitaille [n=robitail@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:51] dholbach, i've been slacking [08:52] come on [08:52] you've been busy [08:52] and rocking korea business world :) [08:53] not on docs side :( === dholbach hugs jsgotangco [08:53] yeah i got good emails from it [08:53] i just read the dvdrip part from the new docs [08:53] oh that looks bad [08:54] could you please have an eye on the docs and if you find stuff that developers could make easier, by applying a patch, PLEASE let us know [08:54] write a quick bug report [08:54] maybe even refer to your documentation [08:54] dholbach, make me resist from installing the Xandros box set that was given to me..hehe... [08:55] i don't want to be an asshole, but no user should have to do stuff like "sudo gedit /usr/share/applications/dvdrip.desktop" [08:55] so please file bug reports for that stuff :) [08:55] oh missing desktop items? [08:55] that's something i found in the docs [08:55] and i saw more stuff that we could automate/make easier [08:55] that's crack [08:56] i highly appreciate what you all do [08:56] 30,2M doc upload ;) [08:57] i hope mdke_ helps me soon to write a quick script that weeds out the stuff not needed in the docs, i get form svn :) [08:58] s/form/from [09:07] it's up :) === mpt [n=mpt@200-158-80-35.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #ubuntu-doc === enrico [n=enrico@debian/developer/enrico] has joined #ubuntu-doc === poningru [n=poningru@n128-227-82-53.xlate.ufl.edu] has left #ubuntu-doc [] === poningru [n=poningru@n128-227-82-53.xlate.ufl.edu] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Kamping_Kaiser [n=Kaiser@ppp207-221.lns1.adl2.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === bhuvan_ [n=bhuvan@b14.gw.maa.collab.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === dholbach [n=daniel@i577B1279.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-doc === bhuvan_ [n=bhuvan@b14.gw.maa.collab.net] has left #ubuntu-doc [] === bhuvan_ [n=bhuvan@b14.gw.maa.collab.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === bhuvan_ is now known as bhuvan === mpt [n=mpt@200-171-140-32.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #ubuntu-doc === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@azevedo.astro.up.pt] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Kamping_Kaiser [n=Kaiser@ppp207-221.lns1.adl2.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === manicka [n=grant@203-158-39-222.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Belutz [n=Belutz@ubuntu/member/belutz] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Belutz [n=Belutz@ubuntu/member/belutz] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jsgotangco [n=jsg@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jjesse [n=jjesse@mail.ftpb.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc [02:12] dholbach, mdke said he was planning to release new ubuntu-docs via -update. Could this http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=18050 be solved also in the -update? not sure if the problem lies in the ubuntu-docs package. [02:14] plan to release? [02:14] WaterSevenUb: afaik we have no fix for 18050 yet [02:14] and updates to -update must be really really really really safe updates [02:15] dholbach, ok.... thx :-) [02:15] jsgotangco, way of speaking... #rosetta-users #ubuntu-translators mdke's mail. [02:15] #-> mailing list. [02:16] dholbach, this seems to be a broken link... easy to solve though... [02:17] cool [02:18] its really hard to push -update [02:18] itll have to go with pitti's acid test [02:18] unless -docs is a universe package [02:18] mdz' acid test [02:18] as well [02:18] =) === jsgotangco has rested fully [02:19] although i'm afraid i'll be flying agian next week [02:19] (hope not) [02:19] what is it next week? [02:19] oh its work related...in brisbane... [02:19] hopefully andy fitz is in town :) [02:20] :))) [02:20] how far is romania from berlin? [02:23] morning :) [02:25] morning jjesse :) [02:25] probablly not morning where you are at jsgotangco [02:26] well in a few hours it'll be morning :) === LaserJock [n=LaserJoc@adsl-69-104-123-227.dsl.renocs.pacbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Kingbahamut [n=bahamut@c-24-98-229-28.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [02:34] dholbach, when you click in System, Help, those strings and links that appear for FAQ guide are in what source package? I've looked into ubuntu-doc source and the links are ok... [02:35] hm, they should be there === bhuvan [n=bhuvan@59.92.40.105] has joined #ubuntu-doc === kjcole [n=kjcole@pchb1f.gallaudet.edu] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jjesse [n=jjesse@mail.ftpb.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc [03:53] LaserJock: did they vote on you when i was gone? [03:53] LaserJock: if not you are working on the packaging guide? === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.207.45.254] has joined #ubuntu-doc [04:04] jjesse: no and yes [04:08] LaserJock: ok i had to remember what i was supporting you :) [04:10] jjesse: np [04:18] mgalvin, ping? [04:18] jsgotangco: pong [04:19] mgalvin, how's things? i arrived yesterday... [04:19] going good, cool, i read you blog, sounds like it was fun [04:23] mgalvin, very... [04:24] after 6 years i finally get to see snow again [04:24] it snowed a few times here this week ;) [04:25] yeah although the next day i hated it again [04:25] :) [04:28] congrats LaserJock [04:29] cheers [04:29] thanks [04:29] it is snowing every day this week [04:29] thanks for all your support guys [04:29] well the day after it snowed, i remembered why i didn't like it at all in the first place [04:30] LaserJock: congrats === bhuvan [n=bhuvan@59.92.40.105] has left #ubuntu-doc [] [05:06] ok, so who do I need to talk to about getting svn commit access? [05:14] elmo [05:15] jsgotangco: really, for the doc team repo? [05:15] yup [05:15] do one of you need to do it? [05:18] i can send elmo an email requesting for it...elmo will just need your gpg key so he can setup the account and send you the details [05:19] jsgotangco, !! [05:19] jsgotangco: that would be great, he already has my gpg key perhaps [05:20] Belutz, hi, how did your debian conf go? [05:22] jsgotangco, hi, finally, i did the talk about edubuntu [05:22] cool [05:22] jsgotangco, and it's not that scary as i thought :p [05:22] Belutz, well you're empowered to do so... [05:22] jsgotangco, and some of the audience ask a lot about edubuntu and willing to help to develop edubuntu [05:23] Belutz, so well, jdub hinted on an asian tour... [05:23] jsgotangco, asian tour? when? [05:23] Belutz, im going to list down big conferences in the region so i'll need your help [05:23] and make a sane schedule at least [05:24] ok [05:24] let me know what should i do [05:24] Belutz, the key is to duplicate Badger Badger Badger Tour [05:25] and make an easy route to go with.... [05:25] (it can be pretty hard to fly from jakarta then go to mumbai after 2 days) [05:26] then go back to syndey [05:26] jsgotangco, is there any sponsor for this event? [05:26] we'll flesh it out further by next year [05:26] Belutz, its still very early to tell... [05:27] Belutz, the idea just sprang up after the hard planning we did for seoul [05:27] jsgotangco, i see, by the way, how's korea? [05:27] pretty good [05:27] have you seen my blog? [05:27] jsgotangco, the that is also posted in p.u.c ? [05:27] yes [05:28] i hanged out with a guy from Xandros and the project leader of firefox [05:28] yes i've read that :) [05:28] Belutz, the new one? :) [05:29] Belutz, the organizer flew us in business class we're not complaining [05:29] =) [05:30] jsgotangco, yes the new one :) [05:31] its not in-depth but gives you an idea how big it was and the potential market [05:31] :-) [05:32] they payphone thing was fun [05:32] hmm how do i upload the slides? i don't have a space [05:32] xandros just won't show up [05:32] hehe [05:32] yeaaa the payphone is cool [05:32] hahaha [05:32] Belutz, i know you can upload to the wiki but i don't know how [05:33] jsgotangco, hmm i see, i already upload some of the pics into flickr [05:34] the breezy cd's are gone in less than 10 minutes :p [05:34] link? [05:35] wait [05:35] http://www.flickr.com/photos/belutz/sets/1524102/ [05:35] i haven't upload the crowd in our booth [05:37] edubuntu laptop whoaaa [05:38] it's mine ;) [05:38] too bad i don't have that "ubuntu sticker on laptop" :p [05:40] mine doesn't either..its either the gnu sticker from stallman or a firefox sticker [05:41] i'll add you as a flickr contact =) [05:41] well i got a debian conference sticker, but i want the ubuntu one to be the one sticking on my laptop :p [05:41] jsgotangco, ok :) === jsgotangco sees pretty people in graduation dinner pics [05:42] lol :D [05:42] they are my classmates === LaserJock [n=LaserJoc@adsl-69-104-123-227.dsl.renocs.pacbell.net] has left #ubuntu-doc [] === trevorv [n=trevorv@81-178-255-160.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:36] Burgwork: pink [06:36] ping, even... === bshumate [n=bshumate@adsl-157-73-42.clt.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:50] Madpilot, pong [06:54] Burgwork: morning [06:58] evening [06:58] salut mdke_ [06:58] not here - that CC meeting started at 0600 my time :P [06:58] ah crap [06:58] forgot about that [06:58] did LaserJock get through ok? === mdke_ reads, good [06:59] yes [07:00] I dragged myself out of bed, wanted to see what the CC meetings were like before I subject myself to the Membership grilling sometime in the new year [07:00] cool [07:00] Madpilot, i was thinking recently perhaps we can get together with rob1 and have a quick meeting about some things on the desktopguide [07:01] i want to do some writing on it but I really want to get a couple of general policy things clear in my head [07:01] mdke_: sure - maybe mail the list so we can arrange a time? === mdke_ nods [07:02] http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=99683 [07:02] mdke_: where are you located, timezone-wise? [07:02] utc === mdke_ clicks on Burgwork 's link, tentatively [07:03] that's easy to remember, then ;) [07:03] Madpilot, feel sorry for the man, he lives in london [07:03] nah, there are far worse places [07:04] sure [07:04] canada for one [07:04] everyone has two halves to their head [07:04] i saw it on south park [07:04] sure, south park = gospel truth :P [07:05] yeap [07:05] they have some accurate things about british people too [07:07] ok -> home [07:08] WaterSevenUb, no, i don't think we can fix that in an -update. It's language updates only I think. [07:08] WaterSevenUb, apart from the fact that I don't have any idea how to fix it at all [07:08] just read the portugese! [07:09] ok -> home [07:26] mdke,portugese=portuguese:-) [07:26] mdke, yeah.. I've been looking to the source of ubuntu-docs and I can't find anything wrong. [07:26] mdke, perhaps something with yelp. [07:31] are we at the point that the desktopguide is set enough to copy and start changing for kubuntu? [07:33] at least in the common-tasks.xml, there are still a fair number of sections that just have "To be written." in them... [07:34] well if the have to be written,then they might be distro specific? [07:34] its been awhile since i looked at the desktopguide [07:35] it's fairly Gnome-specific [07:39] so if those parts are gnome-specific then i can start going after them in a kde way [07:40] sorry for the delay that's what you get when the boss shows up :) [07:40] heh [07:41] certainly the parts I've re-written are pure Gnome - Synaptic, Nautilus, Serpentine, etc etc... [07:41] i sent rob1 a question via emailthe other day haven't heard back [07:42] jjesse: mdke was talking about an IRC meeting for desktop guide; we should organize a time thru the mailing list [07:42] Madpilot: i would be intereseted in that === LaserJock [n=LaserJoc@lambda.chem.unr.edu] has joined #ubuntu-doc === enrico [n=enrico@debian/developer/enrico] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Anoop [n=adas@12.13.176.90] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:46] hi anybody there? [09:47] Anoop, hello [09:47] hi i have a prob with ubuntu [09:47] Anoop, what sort of problem? [09:47] be patient with me and i will explain this serious prob i am having === mpt [n=mpt@200-158-80-35.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:47] Anoop, if it is related to documentation, I can help [09:47] Anoop, otherwise, you need #ubuntu [09:47] i installed breezy badger on a toshiba satellite m-45 s355 laptop [09:48] k [09:48] not documentation [09:48] :) [09:48] so i should join 3ubuntu [09:48] sorry #ubuntu then [09:48] yeah they will help you out [09:48] thanks u very much [09:49] np [09:49] good luclk [09:49] luck* === wjb [n=warren@c220-237-178-175.lowrp1.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@azevedo.astro.up.pt] has joined #ubuntu-doc === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-doc === zen-afk [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-doc === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-doc === zen-afk [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-doc === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-doc === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-doc === poningru [n=poningru@n128-227-82-53.xlate.ufl.edu] has joined #ubuntu-doc === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-doc === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-doc === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-doc === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-doc === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-doc === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-doc [11:48] hiyas! [11:48] how do i use the role attribute of the emphasis tag in the context of Ubuntu documentation? [11:48] hi bshumate [11:48] i don't know, but I can point you to a guide that does [11:48] ok! === mdke digs through his bookmarks [11:50] bshumate, it should be somewhere in here [11:50] http://www.sagehill.net/docbookxsl/index.html [11:52] http://www.docbook.org/tdg/en/html/docbook.html [11:52] maybe that is useful too [11:52] actually, probably way more useful [11:53] rockin...i am really getting into the Docbook...and viewing in Yelp is so much better than guessing at what the XML ends up rendering as....thanks! [11:55] ahh, so the role attribute is a generic thing then it appears...i thought maybe the contents of role would be used in a manner specific to ubuntu. boy have i got a lot to learn... [11:55] heh [11:56] bshumate, sounds like you're doing fine to me === wj1 [n=Warren@auproxy1.proxy.lucent.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc