[06:53] <LaserJock> theCore: hi
[06:55] <theCore> LaserJock, hi
[06:56] <theCore> LaserJock, i rethinked about the hello packages as examples, and i now think it's a good idea
[06:57] <theCore> LaserJock, pretty sure about that
[06:57] <theCore> LaserJock, they quite complete examples
[06:58] <theCore> they are*
[06:58] <theCore> LaserJock, have you started something ?
[07:01] <theCore> (Did you begin something?) <-- it is clearer like that ;)
[07:01] <LaserJock> theCore: no, I worked on the outline some more. I am going to email the ubuntu-motu list to get feedback on our outline.
[07:01] <theCore> okay
[07:02] <LaserJock> but right now I have some real life work to do and I am up for membership tomorrow morning at the CC meeting.
[07:03] <theCore> i understand
[07:03] <jsgotangco> hi all
[07:03] <LaserJock> theCore: did you want to start on something
[07:03] <LaserJock> hi jsgotangco
[07:04] <jsgotangco> what's up dudes?
[07:04] <jsgotangco> rob1, ping?
[07:04] <LaserJock> jsgotangco: no much, we were discussing the Ubuntu Packaging Guide
[07:04] <LaserJock> s/no/not/
[07:12] <theCore> LaserJock, the outline is coming very well
[07:13] <theCore> LaserJock, yes
[07:16] <theCore> LaserJock, so where i can start ?
[07:18] <LaserJock> theCore: at the beginning?
[07:18] <LaserJock> theCore: are you going to work in XML?
[07:19] <theCore> LaserJock, yes
[07:19] <LaserJock> theCore: How about doing the Introduction?
[07:20] <theCore> LaserJock, okay
[07:20] <theCore> LaserJock, we start from scratch ?
[07:24] <LaserJock> theCore: yes, I think it would be easier if we did
[07:24] <LaserJock> theCore: you don't have to do it perfectly. Just give it a rough draft
[07:25] <theCore> LaserJock, okay
[07:34] <theCore> LaserJock, do we make the guide in multiple file ?
[07:34] <theCore> LaserJock, or in a single one ?
[07:37] <bhuvan> jsgotangco, ping
[07:37] <jsgotangco> hi
[07:37] <bhuvan> we're not receiving mails in ubuntu-doc-commits mailing list
[07:37] <bhuvan> is it wise to add it to cc agenda ?
[07:37] <jsgotangco> hrmmmm
[07:38] <jsgotangco> bhuvan, i don't know how its setup at the moment but jdub is the one managing all the ubuntu lists...
[07:38] <jsgotangco> i can ask hem
[07:38] <jsgotangco> s/hem/him
[07:38] <bhuvan> cool
[07:39] <bhuvan> fwiw, the problem exists since dec 02
[07:39] <jsgotangco> ahh i was out of the country then
[07:51] <LaserJock> theCore: sorry, I was working on something else. what do you think? I would think that eventually we will need multiple files but right now it is probably easier to do just one.
[07:52] <theCore> LaserJock, it's what i thinked
[07:53] <rob1> if you choose multiple files, use xincludes
[07:55] <theCore> rob1, i all ready use it
[07:55] <theCore> *already
[07:57] <theCore> right now, i'm making the placeholders for the guide
[07:58] <LaserJock> theCore: ok, I gotta get to bed. Email me what you have done when you feel like it. good luck ;-)
[08:00] <theCore> LaserJock, cya later
[08:01] <LaserJock> cya
[08:43] <dholbach> hellas
[08:43] <dholbach> any objections on me doing another docs upload now?
[08:43] <dholbach> (to dapper)
[08:44] <jsgotangco> sure
[08:44] <jsgotangco> load up the crack machine!
[08:45] <dholbach> rock'n'roll
[08:45] <dholbach> 1626 lines of changes since last time
[08:45] <dholbach> you guys rock
[08:51] <jsgotangco> dholbach, i've been slacking
[08:52] <dholbach> come on
[08:52] <dholbach> you've been busy
[08:52] <dholbach> and rocking korea business world :)
[08:53] <jsgotangco> not on docs side :(
[08:53] <jsgotangco> yeah i got good emails from it
[08:53] <dholbach> i just read the dvdrip part from the new docs
[08:53] <jsgotangco> oh that looks bad
[08:54] <dholbach> could you please have an eye on the docs and if you find stuff that developers could make easier, by applying a patch, PLEASE let us know
[08:54] <dholbach> write a quick bug report
[08:54] <dholbach> maybe even refer to your documentation
[08:54] <jsgotangco> dholbach, make me resist from installing the Xandros box set that was given to me..hehe...
[08:55] <dholbach> i don't want to be an asshole, but no user should have to do stuff like "sudo gedit /usr/share/applications/dvdrip.desktop"
[08:55] <dholbach> so please file bug reports for that stuff :)
[08:55] <jsgotangco> oh missing desktop items?
[08:55] <dholbach> that's something i found in the docs
[08:55] <dholbach> and i saw more stuff that we could automate/make easier
[08:55] <jsgotangco> that's crack
[08:56] <dholbach> i highly appreciate what you all do
[08:56] <dholbach> 30,2M doc upload ;)
[08:57] <dholbach> i hope mdke_ helps me soon to write a quick script that weeds out the stuff not needed in the docs, i get form svn :)
[08:58] <dholbach> s/form/from
[09:07] <dholbach> it's up :)
[02:12] <WaterSevenUb> dholbach, mdke said he was planning to release new ubuntu-docs via -update. Could this http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=18050 be solved also in the -update? not sure if the problem lies in the ubuntu-docs package.
[02:14] <jsgotangco> plan to release?
[02:14] <dholbach> WaterSevenUb: afaik we have no fix for 18050 yet
[02:14] <dholbach> and updates to -update must be really really really really safe updates
[02:15] <WaterSevenUb> dholbach, ok.... thx :-)
[02:15] <WaterSevenUb> jsgotangco, way of speaking... #rosetta-users #ubuntu-translators mdke's mail.
[02:15] <WaterSevenUb> #-> mailing list.
[02:16] <WaterSevenUb> dholbach, this seems to be a broken link... easy to solve though...
[02:17] <dholbach> cool
[02:18] <jsgotangco> its really hard to push -update
[02:18] <jsgotangco> itll have to go with pitti's acid test
[02:18] <jsgotangco> unless -docs is a universe package
[02:18] <dholbach> mdz' acid test
[02:18] <jsgotangco> as well
[02:18] <jsgotangco> =)
[02:19] <jsgotangco> although i'm afraid i'll be flying agian next week
[02:19] <jsgotangco> (hope not)
[02:19] <dholbach> what is it next week?
[02:19] <jsgotangco> oh its work related...in brisbane...
[02:19] <jsgotangco> hopefully andy fitz is in town :)
[02:20] <dholbach> :)))
[02:20] <jsgotangco> how far is romania from berlin?
[02:23] <jjesse> morning :)
[02:25] <jsgotangco> morning jjesse :)
[02:25] <jjesse> probablly not morning where you are at jsgotangco 
[02:26] <jsgotangco> well in a few hours it'll be morning :)
[02:34] <WaterSevenUb> dholbach, when you click in System, Help, those strings and links that appear for FAQ guide are in what source package? I've looked into ubuntu-doc source and the links are ok...
[02:35] <dholbach> hm, they should be there
[03:53] <jjesse> LaserJock: did they vote on you when i was gone?
[03:53] <jjesse> LaserJock: if not you are working on the packaging guide?
[04:04] <LaserJock> jjesse: no and yes
[04:08] <jjesse> LaserJock: ok i had to remember what i was supporting you :)
[04:10] <LaserJock> jjesse: np
[04:18] <jsgotangco> mgalvin, ping?
[04:18] <mgalvin> jsgotangco: pong
[04:19] <jsgotangco> mgalvin, how's things? i arrived yesterday...
[04:19] <mgalvin> going good, cool, i read you blog, sounds like it was fun
[04:23] <jsgotangco> mgalvin, very...
[04:24] <jsgotangco> after 6 years i finally get to see snow again
[04:24] <mgalvin> it snowed a few times here this week ;)
[04:25] <jsgotangco> yeah although the next day i hated it again
[04:25] <mgalvin> :)
[04:28] <jjesse> congrats LaserJock 
[04:29] <jsgotangco> cheers
[04:29] <LaserJock> thanks
[04:29] <jjesse> it is snowing every day this week 
[04:29] <LaserJock> thanks for all your support guys
[04:29] <jsgotangco> well the day after it snowed, i remembered why i didn't like it at all in the first place
[04:30] <mgalvin> LaserJock: congrats
[05:06] <LaserJock> ok, so who do I need to talk to about getting svn commit access?
[05:14] <jsgotangco> elmo
[05:15] <LaserJock> jsgotangco: really, for the doc team repo?
[05:15] <jsgotangco> yup
[05:15] <LaserJock> do one of you need to do it?
[05:18] <jsgotangco> i can send elmo an email requesting for it...elmo will just need your gpg key so he can setup the account and send you the details
[05:19] <Belutz> jsgotangco, !!
[05:19] <LaserJock> jsgotangco: that would be great, he already has my gpg key perhaps
[05:20] <jsgotangco> Belutz, hi, how did your debian conf go?
[05:22] <Belutz> jsgotangco, hi, finally, i did the talk about edubuntu
[05:22] <jsgotangco> cool
[05:22] <Belutz> jsgotangco, and it's not that scary as i thought :p
[05:22] <jsgotangco> Belutz, well you're empowered to do so...
[05:22] <Belutz> jsgotangco, and some of the audience ask a lot about edubuntu and willing to help to develop edubuntu
[05:23] <jsgotangco> Belutz, so well, jdub hinted on an asian tour...
[05:23] <Belutz> jsgotangco, asian tour? when?
[05:23] <jsgotangco> Belutz, im going to list down big conferences in the region so i'll need your help
[05:23] <jsgotangco> and make a sane schedule at least
[05:24] <Belutz> ok
[05:24] <Belutz> let me know what should i do
[05:24] <jsgotangco> Belutz, the key is to duplicate Badger Badger Badger Tour
[05:25] <jsgotangco> and make an easy route to go with....
[05:25] <jsgotangco> (it can be pretty hard to fly from jakarta then go to mumbai after 2 days)
[05:26] <jsgotangco> then go back to syndey
[05:26] <Belutz> jsgotangco, is there any sponsor for this event?
[05:26] <jsgotangco> we'll flesh it out further by next year
[05:26] <jsgotangco> Belutz, its still very early to tell...
[05:27] <jsgotangco> Belutz, the idea just sprang up after the hard planning we did for seoul
[05:27] <Belutz> jsgotangco, i see, by the way, how's korea?
[05:27] <jsgotangco> pretty good
[05:27] <jsgotangco> have you seen my blog?
[05:27] <Belutz> jsgotangco, the that is also posted in p.u.c ?
[05:27] <jsgotangco> yes
[05:28] <jsgotangco> i hanged out with a guy from Xandros and the project leader of firefox
[05:28] <Belutz> yes i've read that :)
[05:28] <jsgotangco> Belutz, the new one? :)
[05:29] <jsgotangco> Belutz, the organizer flew us in business class we're not complaining
[05:29] <jsgotangco> =)
[05:30] <Belutz> jsgotangco, yes the new one :)
[05:31] <jsgotangco> its not in-depth but gives you an idea how big it was and the potential market
[05:31] <Belutz> :-)
[05:32] <jsgotangco> they payphone thing was fun
[05:32] <Belutz> hmm how do i upload the slides? i don't have a space
[05:32] <jsgotangco> xandros just won't show up
[05:32] <jsgotangco> hehe
[05:32] <Belutz> yeaaa the payphone is cool
[05:32] <Belutz> hahaha
[05:32] <jsgotangco> Belutz, i know you can upload to the wiki but i don't know how
[05:33] <Belutz> jsgotangco, hmm i see, i already upload some of the pics into flickr
[05:34] <Belutz> the breezy cd's are gone in less than 10 minutes :p
[05:34] <jsgotangco> link?
[05:35] <Belutz> wait
[05:35] <Belutz> http://www.flickr.com/photos/belutz/sets/1524102/
[05:35] <Belutz> i haven't upload the crowd in our booth
[05:37] <jsgotangco> edubuntu laptop whoaaa
[05:38] <Belutz> it's mine ;)
[05:38] <Belutz> too bad i don't have that "ubuntu sticker on laptop" :p
[05:40] <jsgotangco> mine doesn't either..its either the gnu sticker from stallman or a firefox sticker
[05:41] <jsgotangco> i'll add you as a flickr contact =)
[05:41] <Belutz> well i got a debian conference sticker, but i want the ubuntu one to be the one sticking on my laptop :p
[05:41] <Belutz> jsgotangco, ok :)
[05:42] <Belutz> lol :D
[05:42] <Belutz> they are my classmates
[06:36] <Madpilot> Burgwork: pink
[06:36] <Madpilot> ping, even...
[06:50] <Burgwork> Madpilot, pong
[06:54] <Madpilot> Burgwork: morning
[06:58] <mdke_> evening
[06:58] <Burgwork> salut mdke_ 
[06:58] <Madpilot> not here - that CC meeting started at 0600 my time :P
[06:58] <mdke_> ah crap
[06:58] <mdke_> forgot about that
[06:58] <mdke_> did LaserJock get through ok?
[06:59] <Madpilot> yes
[07:00] <Madpilot> I dragged myself out of bed, wanted to see what the CC meetings were like before I subject myself to the Membership grilling sometime in the new year
[07:00] <mdke_> cool
[07:00] <mdke_> Madpilot, i was thinking recently perhaps we can get together with rob1 and have a quick meeting about some things on the desktopguide
[07:01] <mdke_> i want to do some writing on it but I really want to get a couple of general policy things clear in my head
[07:01] <Madpilot> mdke_: sure - maybe mail the list so we can arrange a time?
[07:02] <Burgwork> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=99683
[07:02] <Madpilot> mdke_: where are you located, timezone-wise?
[07:02] <mdke_> utc
[07:03] <Madpilot> that's easy to remember, then ;)
[07:03] <Burgwork> Madpilot, feel sorry for the man, he lives in london
[07:03] <Madpilot> nah, there are far worse places
[07:04] <mdke_> sure
[07:04] <mdke_> canada for one
[07:04] <mdke_> everyone has two halves to their head
[07:04] <mdke_> i saw it on south park
[07:04] <Madpilot> sure, south park = gospel truth :P
[07:05] <mdke> yeap
[07:05] <mdke> they have some accurate things about british people too
[07:07] <mdke> ok -> home
[07:08] <mdke> WaterSevenUb, no, i don't think we can fix that in an -update. It's language updates only I think.
[07:08] <mdke> WaterSevenUb, apart from the fact that I don't have any idea how to fix it at all
[07:08] <mdke> just read the portugese!
[07:09] <mdke> ok -> home
[07:26] <WaterSevenUb> mdke,portugese=portuguese:-)
[07:26] <WaterSevenUb> mdke, yeah.. I've been looking to the source of ubuntu-docs and I can't find anything wrong.
[07:26] <WaterSevenUb> mdke, perhaps something with yelp.
[07:31] <jjesse> are we at the point that the desktopguide is set enough to copy and start changing for kubuntu?
[07:33] <Madpilot> at least in the common-tasks.xml, there are still a fair number of sections that just have "To be written." in them...
[07:34] <jjesse> well if the have to be written,then they might be distro specific?
[07:34] <jjesse> its been awhile since i looked at the desktopguide
[07:35] <Madpilot> it's fairly Gnome-specific
[07:39] <jjesse> so if those parts are gnome-specific then i can start going after them in a kde way
[07:40] <jjesse> sorry for the delay that's what you get when the boss shows up :)
[07:40] <Madpilot> heh
[07:41] <Madpilot> certainly the parts I've re-written are pure Gnome - Synaptic, Nautilus, Serpentine, etc etc...
[07:41] <jjesse> i sent rob1 a question via emailthe other day haven't heard back 
[07:42] <Madpilot> jjesse: mdke was talking about an IRC meeting for desktop guide; we should organize a time thru the mailing list
[07:42] <jjesse> Madpilot: i would be intereseted in that
[09:46] <Anoop> hi anybody there?
[09:47] <mdke> Anoop, hello
[09:47] <Anoop> hi i have a prob with ubuntu
[09:47] <mdke> Anoop, what sort of problem?
[09:47] <Anoop> be patient with me and i will explain this serious prob i am having
[09:47] <mdke> Anoop, if it is related to documentation, I can help
[09:47] <mdke> Anoop, otherwise, you need #ubuntu
[09:47] <Anoop> i installed breezy badger on a toshiba satellite m-45 s355 laptop
[09:48] <Anoop> k
[09:48] <Anoop> not documentation
[09:48] <mdke> :)
[09:48] <Anoop> so i should join 3ubuntu
[09:48] <Anoop> sorry #ubuntu then
[09:48] <mdke> yeah they will help you out
[09:48] <Anoop> thanks u very much
[09:49] <mdke> np
[09:49] <mdke> good luclk
[09:49] <mdke> luck*
[11:48] <bshumate> hiyas!
[11:48] <bshumate> how do i use the role attribute of the emphasis tag in the context of Ubuntu documentation?
[11:48] <mdke> hi bshumate 
[11:48] <mdke> i don't know, but I can point you to a guide that does
[11:48] <bshumate> ok!
[11:50] <mdke> bshumate, it should be somewhere in here
[11:50] <mdke> http://www.sagehill.net/docbookxsl/index.html
[11:52] <mdke> http://www.docbook.org/tdg/en/html/docbook.html
[11:52] <mdke> maybe that is useful too
[11:52] <mdke> actually, probably way more useful
[11:53] <bshumate> rockin...i am really getting into the Docbook...and viewing in Yelp is so much better than guessing at what the XML ends up rendering as....thanks!
[11:55] <bshumate> ahh, so the role attribute is a generic thing then it appears...i thought maybe the contents of role would be used in a manner specific to ubuntu.  boy have i got a lot to learn...
[11:55] <mdke> heh
[11:56] <mdke> bshumate, sounds like you're doing fine to me