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[02:56] mhz: sure [02:56] i'll be back for probablly the end of the meeting, gotta switch work locations === rbelem [n=rodrigo@ubuntu/member/rbelem] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [02:56] hno73: thx === Kyral [n=kyral@hamlin-166-12336.hamlin.clarkson.edu] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [02:57] when is the CC meeting? [02:57] in 6 minutes? [02:57] 3 minutes [02:57] in about 4 minutes [02:57] not at 22:00? [02:57] no [02:57] k, glad I've joined earlier ;] [02:57] heh [02:57] er 2 minutes from now [02:58] whew in the nick of time === hybrid [n=hybridgo@dpc6745217221.direcpc.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [02:58] zyga, make sure your wikipage is up to date [02:58] i've seen you busy in #ubuntu-? but that work is not listed [02:58] Seveas: I made minor updates === crimsun [i=crimsun@pdpc/supporter/silver/crimsun] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [02:58] Seveas: just below the 'Update:' [02:59] Gd'morning [02:59] MagicFab, have you been working with mako on your wikipage? [02:59] Seveas: no, alone ;) asked mako for feedback but didn't get any [02:59] (by email) [02:59] ah [02:59] mako: you didn't vote on mhz at the last meeting; are you ready to do so? [03:00] (thus contrary to what the agenda claims, mhz wasn't approved [03:00] ) [03:00] is he around ? [03:00] *DING* 14:00 UTC [03:00] any sabdfl in sight ? === robotgeek [n=robotgee@ppp-70-250-189-91.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [03:00] elmo: around? === StevenK [n=stevenk@14.5.233.220.exetel.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [03:01] mako, LaserJock, raphink, Kyral, kjcole *ping* [03:01] hello everybody :) [03:01] I'm here [03:02] hey there === kjcole is Kevin Cole [03:02] here [03:02] Seveas: hehe i'm here :) [03:02] mhz, smurf [03:02] *ping* too === smurf is here ;-) === mhz is here [03:02] We'll have to wait for the CC members to show up [03:03] in the meantime, Greeting Ubunteros :) [03:03] greetings [03:03] hi [03:03] hi :P [03:03] morning, everyone === Kamion reaches for the list of phone number [03:03] s [03:03] morning...coffee time [03:04] Speaking of morning, it's neatly 1am here. :-/ [03:04] Kamion, aren't they on speed dial yet? :) [03:04] StevenK: thx for being here, then [03:04] Kamion, sabdfl just mailed me, he seems awake and in reach of a PC [03:04] 0600 here :( [03:04] No rest for the wicked. === Kyral reaches for caffine [03:04] Madpilot: me too [03:04] but i bet he forgot about the early time today [03:04] I invited Corey Burger and Daniel RObitaille but it's 6AM for them :( [03:04] Madpilot: very early, thx [03:04] elmo's coming [03:05] mhz: I went to bed early, and my wife woke me at 0000 [03:05] MagicFab: i'm glad you're here [03:05] hehe [03:05] New Ubunutu project: Tivo for #ubuntu-meetings. (Better than log files.) ;-) [03:05] it's conveniently 15:00 here :) [03:05] StevenK: hehehe, that happens all the time if you have kids too === jsgotangco is babysitting at the moment [03:05] ok, here === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [03:05] hi elmo [03:06] <\sh> morning gentlemen [03:06] elmo: do you know where Mark is at the moment? [03:06] hi \sh [03:06] morning \sh [03:06] somewhere in the US [03:06] he probably won't be up for a couple of hours [03:06] hi mhz :D === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [03:07] zakame: helloz [03:07] Hullo, all. [03:07] unless we snagged mako, quorum might be hard [03:07] apparently he just sent e-mail, I'll try his mobile [03:07] kjcole: is your page updated [03:07] elmo: thanks for adding me to the keyring today :-) [03:07] evening \sh :) [03:07] sabdfl is being summoned [03:08] hehe === jbailey [n=jbailey@modemcable139.249-203-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [03:08] hi jbailey [03:08] mhz: Not recently... [03:08] kjcole: well, it looked good to me :) [03:08] Seveas: hi [03:09] summoning powers === mhz plays Magic, the Gathering, and plays 9 lands to summon sabdfl [03:10] hehe [03:10] mhz: wow [03:11] mhz: dunno, if 9 are enough, you might have to tap all your artifacts too [03:11] lol! [03:11] dangit dholbach beat me to it :D === StevenK ponders something to eat. === Seveas casts a fireball and burns all Magic cards === zakame hasn't played Magic for a looong time :( [03:11] s/summoned/hunted/ apparently [03:11] Seveas: boooh, you killed out entertainment === Madpilot ponders caffeine [03:11] :) [03:11] good luck on summoning sabdfl in th snow [03:11] heh === dholbach neither... like 7-8 years === Kyral plays a Moment's Peace and blocks the fireball [03:11] can we sort out meeting times in the meantime maybe? [03:11] mhz, bofh.ntk.net [03:12] hours of entertainment [03:12] although we don't have mako which makes that awkward [03:12] jsgotangco: Did he get caught in it? [03:12] http://bofh.ntk.net/Bastard.html <-- that one i mean [03:12] i'm here [03:12] Seveas: jsgotangco could tell us about mobile entretainment for our Sharp Zaurus, maybe? [03:12] greetings, mako [03:13] mako!!!! [03:13] mako: aha, we can start then [03:13] we could start now if sabdfl is evasive, let's do the naming round === mhz *sighs* === Seveas is Dennis Kaarsemaker [03:13] sorry i'm a bit late.. i need like 1 minute to get organized [03:13] hello mako :) === ogra is OliverGrawert [03:13] Hi, mako. (And thanks -- I think -- for the speedy order on the CD's. Or thank whoever's responsible.) === MarioMeyer_ is Mario Meyer === dholbach is Daniel Holbach === \sh is Stephan Hermann === nalioth is Marek Spruell [03:13] mako! === Kamion is Colin Watson === kjcole is Kevin Cole === StevenK is Steve Kowalik === Kyral is Chris Peterman === jsgotangco is JeromeGotangco === mhz is MauricioHernandez === mako is benjamin mako hill === Madpilot is Brian Burger === LaserJock is Jordan Mantha === kiko is ChristianReis === alerios [n=alerios@63.245.87.62] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === zakame is Zak Elep === bhuvan is Bhuvaneswaran === azeem is Michael Banck === raphink is Raphal Pinson === robotgeek is VenkatRaghavan [03:14] arzajac, there? === hno73 is Henrik Omma [03:14] ubuntugeek, there? === MagicFab is Fabian Rodriguez [03:14] sabdfl's on his way [03:15] (everyone needs to say their name?) [03:15] the ubuntite/ubuntero thing is first on the agenda === smurf is Matthias Urlichs [03:16] so to alleviate confusion from those bug reports, Ubuntite/Ubuntero simply means that you've signed the code of conduct, and conceptually it should be a prerequisite for membership/maintainership (although I'm not sure if Launchpad actually implements that) [03:16] it does [03:16] I'm also not sure that it really matters that much what it's called, or why the CC needs to decide on it :-) [03:16] Kamion: it doesn't [03:17] ok, but which one is the official word for person-who-signed-the-coc-and-pledged-allegiance-to-ubuntu :) [03:17] kiko: I assumed sabdfl had renamed it to Ubuntero, which would kind of make it official [03:17] did somebody explicitly ask for it to be brought up here? [03:17] yes, kiko [03:17] it was originally ubuntite [03:17] Kamion: implement it as a prerequisite for membership, I mean. the only thing signed_CoC enforces is ubuntu.com email [03:17] Seveas: I'm asking kiko if somebody asked him [03:17] well [03:17] yes [03:17] it's been asked on a number of occasions [03:17] that is what was written in the process documents [03:17] we need to change the wording in Launchpad [03:17] Kamion, ah, sorry /me grabs glasses [03:18] I just want to make sure that this is the definitive answer [03:18] but if sabdfl has very strong feelings, that's fine [03:18] it was changed from Ubuntite to Ubuntero in Launchpad === mako nods [03:18] i saw that [03:18] i was a little a confused.. [03:18] (I personally think Ubuntu member is a better name but ignore my opinions :-P) [03:18] now [03:18] there are places that still say Ubuntite [03:18] kiko, Ubuntero != member [03:18] its pre-membership [03:18] the reason this happened is because it was hacked in by a certain person [03:18] why not just stick a tooltip/link on it explaining what it means? even I think the wording is confusing [03:18] okay [03:18] we will [03:18] however [03:19] but that's a launchpad development issue [03:19] I want someone to: [03:19] a) be a point of contact that will formally email launchpad@lists.canonical.com to request this sort of policy change [03:19] b) make sure that email gets sent to us when a decision like that is made, even if it's not entirely the CC's fault [03:19] we all know how mark is with email and requests [03:19] in this case it wasn't at all the CC's fault, but OK :-) [03:20] and I want to make sure we don't drop the ball so often [03:20] kiko: mark made this change right? [03:20] the fact that is says ubuntite and ubuntero in places makes me want to DIE === kiko turns his back to mako and whistles [03:20] we're kind of at the point where we need a CC mailing list [03:20] (i.e. the four of us) [03:20] kiko, we really dont wnat that you want to die [03:20] that is all on that topic from me :) [03:21] kiko: dude, this change was made directly in launchpad with no consultation with the CC - what exactly do you expect from us here? [03:21] well [03:21] I'll put it this way [03:21] kiko: it was *always* ubuntite and not particularly controversial AFAIK.. [03:21] kiko: we've got about as much chance of fixing this as you have of demanding sabdfl always add tests when he commits [03:21] kiko: now, the alternative is not particularly controversial either [03:21] mako, until sabdfl changed it :) [03:21] it's just a name and i, for one, am not going to fight anyone over it === sabdfl [n=mark@ubuntu/member/pdpc.silver.sabdfl] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [03:21] there he is [03:21] morning all [03:21] there's the guilty one! [03:22] lol. well, people here seem to know something about the word "ubuntero", while the first time I saw this was in a launchpad landing. :) [03:22] sorry to be late, didn't hear about it till breakfast [03:22] Definitive name for Ubuntero: [WWW] https://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/5317 (ChristianReis) [03:22] sabdfl: ^-- point on agenda [03:22] hehe === kiko looks at sabdfl [03:22] kiko: we only know it because (a) it randomly came up in random people's blogs like a year and a half ago, (b) we all saw it in launchpad [03:22] 14:19 < kiko> I want someone to: [03:22] 14:19 < kiko> a) be a point of contact that will formally email launchpad@lists.canonical.com to request this sort of policy change [03:22] 14:19 < kiko> b) make sure that email gets sent to us when a decision like that is made, even if it's not entirely the CC's fault [03:23] sabdfl: it was originally ubuntite.. LP code seems to now call it ubuntero in some but not all places [03:23] this is a bit confusing to me but okay. I thought the CC would deliberate on this sort of naming changes. [03:23] sabdfl: is that something the CC can/should do? obviously we can hardly stop you from making changes in launchpad :-) [03:23] Kamion, duct tape? [03:23] i don't think anyone is going to fight over the name [03:23] i'm not at least [03:23] ok [03:23] I'm not either [03:23] Kamion: articfacts ? [03:23] I think folks who are not very far along in the process should be known as Ubunturists (Ubunt-tourists). [03:24] but would like consistency :) [03:24] consistency is good :-) [03:24] heh [03:24] hi sabdfl :D [03:24] i changed it in the places i knew it existed, it's a bug as ubuntite anywhere [03:24] Ubuntu*ists could be exploited to many different and ackward names [03:24] though, someone did point out there is a gender issue in some languages [03:24] sabdfl, ok, we will maill all occurences of ubuntite to you :) [03:25] sabdfl: in what sense? [03:25] sabdfl: in "ubuntero" [03:25] Seveas: rather file bugs on LP [03:25] mako: ubuntero is male? [03:25] elmo: in latin cultures, yes [03:25] ubuntite seems quite neutral === mako nods [03:25] "Ubuntu" has case issues in some languages - my general opinion is "whatever" unless I'm actively sorting out translations [03:25] i cant remember, but in some languages it's definitely one or the other [03:25] ubuntite would sound female in portuguese [03:25] yes ubuntero is definitely male [03:25] sabdfl, Oops. Not thinking multi-lingually. My mistake. [03:25] ubuntite seems a little uptite [03:25] Ubuntera would be female in spanish === mako likes ubuntite personally [03:26] bbut only because people from seattle are seattlites [03:26] hmm... we could of course let people specify themselves === jsgotangco likes ubuntite too..its the original term i believe.... [03:26] sabdfl: no :) [03:26] sabdfl: just choose one :) [03:26] Ubuntero/a would mean docs in spanish would have to accomodate for both (in some places) [03:26] +1 for ubuntite === smurf likes ubuntero [03:26] sabdfl: as long as there's a link to what it means in lp so that people quit asking, I really don't care [03:27] bhuvan, we're not voting :) [03:27] Kamion: +1 [03:27] and I don't think the CC should get into the bikeshed argument of which it should be [03:27] I think we shouldn't underestimate the gender-bias in ubuntero === jsgotangco feels ubuntero sounds like a mexican folk singer in costume === raphink likes ubuntero but thinks the male/female issue might be a pb [03:27] there's enough problems with barriers for women in IT without us adding potential new ones [03:27] <\sh> sabdfl: is there no female/male/to be defined sex suffix for this in zulu? [03:27] what's wrong with using "ubuntu member" and translating "member" in different languages shouldn't be hard - it doesn't sound cool, but it "works" :) [03:27] i don't think gender-specific name for people who have signed the coc is a good idea [03:27] elmo: you and your lost causes ;-) [03:27] dholbach: because it's *not* membership [03:27] ubuntera/ubuntero? :-P [03:27] kiko: please no [03:27] dholbach: ubunteros are not necessarily members yet [03:27] UBunturist sounds great, although a bit long [03:27] UBUNTER(A/O) [03:28] jsgotangco: lol [03:28] ubunterrorista [03:28] lol [03:28] eek [03:28] <\sh> ubunturist sounds like ubuntu terrorists [03:28] that's jdub === jsgotangco hides [03:28] let it not be terrorist :) [03:28] haha [03:28] ok, this is what I mean about bikeshed arguments [03:28] Jdubuntu :) === raphink looks around if there's no CIA agent [03:28] \sh: haha [03:28] ubuntonians [03:28] sabdfl, I think that one only applies to benevolent dictators... [03:28] debianities, genotooities, fedoraxies are thankfully non-existant, I agree with dholbach's suggeston for something simple, Kamion is right too [03:28] ok, leave it as it is, with a link to an explanation [03:28] ok [03:28] next? [03:28] more kiko [03:28] sabdfl: wait.. [03:28] umm [03:29] as is is broken [03:29] the problem is that it's inconsistent [03:29] we need one name [03:29] yubs? [03:29] does leave it as it is mean "make it all ubuntero" [03:29] It's a name we have came up with. We can just declare it is gender-neutral, right? [03:29] StevenK: no [03:29] right, i was saying ubuntero is the current one, ubuntite is a bug, we can do a vote on it to settle how it should be [03:29] mako, sabdfl said: File bugs when you see Ubuntite - inconsistency can not be solved right here right now :) [03:30] cool [03:30] StevenK: not sure, in latin cultures it feels funny to call a female with -o name [03:30] well [03:30] raphink: not even really cool females? [03:30] sabdfl: I don't think so === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [03:30] sabdfl: no [03:30] sabdfl: Spain is not Russia ;-) === bhuvan prays no new gender issue on ubuntero in future [03:31] sabdfl: let's see, females I see on linux systems like to be recognized as such even more than in other places most of the time... [03:31] <\sh> .oO(what is a really cool female?" [03:31] \sh, my fiancee :) [03:31] \sh: lol === ogra thinks ice princess [03:31] i have another 30 mins, guys [03:31] sabdfl: dude, I've already had people complain about this to me. I'm not arguing for hypotheticals === alerios [n=alerios@63.245.87.62] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["Abandonando"] [03:31] females who get to use Ubuntu deserve much ;) [03:31] <\sh> Seveas: but she is not from a latin country, right? ,) [03:31] hehe [03:31] \sh, no [03:31] StevenK: http://www.gnome.org/~jdub/blog/projects/ubuntu/1116733725 is the origin === jjesse [n=jjesse@mail.ftpb.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [03:32] ok, i don't mind reverting to ubuntite, but i think it sounds trite and uptight :-) [03:32] lets move on ... [03:32] it's expressly coming from idioms in other languages [03:32] sabdfl, you should revert it anyway temporarily until we can come up with a Really Cool Name(tm) [03:32] seems like next up is the typo in the CoC [03:32] One could look at Esperanto rules and see if there's any kind of gender-neutral, language-neutral ending... [03:32] Seveas: lol === mhz thinks 'ubunter' is just perfect [03:33] Typo in the Code of Conduct: [WWW] https://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/3952 (ChristianReis) [03:33] at least this one is definitely within the CC's purview ;-) [03:33] indeed [03:33] it means everyone will have to sign again [03:33] kjcole: names in esperanto finish with -o and are neutral. Male names finish with -ulo and female with -ino. [03:33] raphink, we moved on already... [03:33] okay [03:33] those caps are a little scary [03:33] so there's a typo in the CoC [03:33] raphink: good point [03:33] we don't have to re-sign [03:33] Seveas: no, there's no particular reason to require people to sign the most current version if it's just a typo cleanup [03:34] ah ok [03:34] the system is smart enough to remember which version you signed [03:34] it would have to be a new version, yes [03:34] and i think it has a list of currently valid versions [03:34] i'm reading tha tcnetance and i can't even see the error [03:34] if launchpad can handle multiple CoC's there's no problem [03:34] it can [03:34] s/it/is/ [03:34] while we're at it we should nominate somebody to do a general proofreading pass [03:34] ah, ok [03:34] I just wanted to bring this matter to your attention [03:34] I'm happy to volunteer for that [03:34] sure, shhould bbe fixed [03:34] kiko: nicely done [03:34] sure [03:34] who will fix it? [03:34] Kamion: would new versions include localisations? [03:34] Seveas, Kamion [03:35] mhz: that's a separate issue [03:35] mhz, not yet, different topic. [03:35] okis [03:35] mhz: we haven't talked about that [03:35] .oO(Note to self: thorough proofreading of CoC for next meeting) [03:35] ogra: I can't change launchpad [03:35] perhaps also include a reminder to people that have signed, whenever it changes [03:35] Seveas, I have someone to do that, I just want a new copy of the CoC, properly proofread. [03:35] Kamion, oh, misunderstood [03:35] I can also produce a list of people that have signed the old one [03:35] Seveas: doesn't need to be in a meeting, I can just mail the CC a diff to make sure everyone's happy with the changes [03:35] mhz: we definitely want to do loclaisations of the CoC, just needs LP dev time [03:35] kiko: well, go ahead and make that one-byte change [03:35] it's uncontroversial [03:35] if we want to spam them to re-sign [03:35] kiko: no need for that no [03:36] mako: I'd really like to avoid 1.0.1 1.0.2 etc. for successive one-byte changes [03:36] mako, I would rather only rev the version once this time [03:36] kiko, neh, not for this change [03:36] ok [03:36] Kamion: align it with release cycles [03:36] Kamion: so, wait until next week [03:36] I said spam for a reason :) [03:36] shall I do this and mail launchpad@ with the diff once we're done [03:36] MagicFab: no [03:36] it's been there for a year, we can wait two weeks :) [03:36] kiko: and no, i don't think people need to resign === sabdfl never noticed it before [03:36] we can post in mailing lists [03:36] Kamion, sounds like a plan [03:36] mako: it'll take ten minutes to do ;) [03:36] sabdfl: I asked because in case other people want to become members, I could ofer myself for the non-offcial version so they could at least understant what they'll face whn they sign [03:36] Kamion, that would be perfect. [03:36] kiko, since you have a way of knowing who signed, is there a way to just automatically build that into some sort of announce mailing-list (broadcast only)? [03:37] mhz: we will do proper i18n for the CoC, just need to extend the system that tracks them [03:37] kjcole, not easily, but talk to me on #launchpad later about your use case and I'll see. [03:37] yeah, i can take a look at it again also === mhz okis [03:37] but people have a pretty amazing ability to see right through their own errors [03:37] ok, NEXT :-) [03:38] mako: In more than just spelling and grammar. :) [03:38] Automatix / forums nightmare argument issue [03:38] are the relevant people actually here? [03:38] forums... [03:38] I have a nice writeup here: http://robotgeek.org/cc.html [03:38] btw, holy crap i made it to a meeting [03:38] haha [03:38] automatix is the piece of crap that triggers reinstalls all over [03:38] Seveas: Agreed :D [03:39] thats the one that breaks your sources.list, right ? [03:39] robotgeek: thanks, please add that to the link farm on the agenda [03:39] that link provides all relevant background, and also provides the links to conversations in #ubuntuforums [03:39] and it's causing censorship problems in the forums... [03:39] that last line may have been a violation of the CoC, but the script is SO DAMN STUPID, I already know of dozens of people who had to reinstall after using it [03:39] automatix is just a symptom of the larger issue [03:39] (which we'll probably move to somewhere else, but anyway) [03:39] Kamion: sorry, i came up with it two hours ago. will do right away [03:39] It adds the PLF repos for one thing... [03:39] er [03:39] "thereby violating my rights given to me by GPL": i don't think you mean that [03:40] so I can't say I'm terribly impressed with the post-deletions issue I've seen; however we have not yet heard the administration say their piece === chmj [n=chmj@dsl-146-143-211.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [03:40] mako: it was GPL'ed, and they did not allow me to post my changes? [03:40] and I don't particularly want us to hold a trial in absentia [03:40] and they are not here it seems === raphink wonders why magic scripts like automatix or easyubuntu are not replaced by series of inter-dependent packages in multiverse [03:40] Kamion, indeed, but the forum administrators seem not to like coming to meetings [03:40] raphink: work on that was done where it made sense [03:40] the almost always miss them [03:41] Yeah, the forum has really seemed to distance itself. [03:41] are the ubuntuforums 'official' ? [03:41] raphink: The reason why is because the majority of what they do is pull in things like w32codecs and SunJava [03:41] nalioth, yes [03:41] no [03:41] err, since when? [03:41] yes [03:41] since a long time already [03:41] warty [03:41] Kyral: well then it's not useful [03:41] robotgeek: it would only be a GPL issue if you let you distribute the binary but not the source [03:41] since we started paying part of the hosting... [03:41] nalioth: yes, and Canonical contributes to their funding [03:41] mako: it's a bash script :) [03:41] ah [03:41] robotgeek: this is a social problem, not a licensingg isssue [03:42] mako: agreed [03:42] robotgeek: lets focus on the real issue [03:42]