[12:06] <LaserJock> sorush20: ?
[12:06] <sorush20> http://www.path.unimelb.edu.au/~dersch/
[12:06] <sorush20> sorry got carried away
[12:09] <sorush20> LaserJock: did you take a look?
[12:10] <LaserJock> sorush20: hmm, I'm no expert here. It would need to work with a open JVM not Sun's to get in Universe.
[12:11] <sorush20> LaserJock: where could it go into how would you go about getting it being available on the ubuntu distros?
[12:12] <LaserJock> sorush20: well you can try putting it on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UniverseCandidates
[12:12] <tseng> did i miss some?
[12:13] <LaserJock> tseng: there we some, not many though
[12:13] <sorush20> LaserJock: I know next to nothing about programming
[12:15] <tseng> oh that would do it
[12:15] <tseng> thunderbird sorts mail retardedly
[12:18] <LaserJock> sorush20: so you want PTViewer right?
[12:19] <sorush20> LaserJock: I don't really know which one it is but I think they could all be provided on one utils package!
[12:21] <LaserJock> sorush20: I think maybe PTViewer on http://webuser.fh-furtwangen.de/%7Edersch/ is what you want
[12:21] <sorush20> not the viewer the editor too  PTEditor.jar http://www.path.unimelb.edu.au/~dersch/pted/pteditor.html
[12:22] <sorush20> http://www.path.unimelb.edu.au/~dersch/pted/pteditor.html
[12:24] <Seveas> hmm, latest moin has a *shiver* GUI editor
[12:24] <Seveas> I hope ubuntu wiki will not use that :)
[12:26] <LaserJock> sorush20: that page is outdated. I think the http://webuser.fh-furtwangen.de/~dersch/ is the one you want
[12:40] <LaserJock> hi bmonty
[12:40] <lifeless> azeem: ajmitch: I've sent in the opensync ITP
[01:00] <raphink> is `Section: universe/net' good ? or should it be `Section : net'  instead?
[01:00] <ajmitch> Section: net
[01:00] <raphink> thanks :)
[01:05] <StevenK> ajmitch: So, can you request a sync of libapache-mod-musicindex?
[01:05] <tseng> StevenK: done.
[01:05] <StevenK> tseng: Thanks.
[01:05] <tseng> ajmitch: done.
[01:06] <tseng> ajmitch: re libapache
[01:06] <ajmitch> ah
[01:07] <ajmitch> StevenK: see, it's often good to ask others :)
[01:07] <StevenK> ajmitch: Bleh.
[01:07] <StevenK> :-)
[01:07] <StevenK> Hopefully, after this CC meeting, I can do it myself.
[01:08] <ajmitch> nope
[01:08] <ajmitch> TB meeting
[01:09] <StevenK> So, I attend the CC meeting, but I need to wait for another meeting?
[01:09] <tseng> CC = membership
[01:09] <tseng> TB = maintainership
[01:09] <StevenK> Ah
[01:09] <tseng> membership is non-technical
[01:09] <tseng> its just a recongnition of any form of contributor
[01:09] <StevenK> So, after this CC meeting, I need to attend a TB meeting?
[01:09] <siretart> StevenK: right
[01:09] <tseng> unfortunately yet
[01:09] <tseng> yes*
[01:10] <ajmitch> StevenK: just be glad - it's not NM ;)
[01:10] <siretart> StevenK: normally the TB will check the technical knowledge about packaging of an applicant. As DD, there is no point in asking you that ;)
[01:11] <ajmitch> otherwise you need to look for someone to vouch for you
[01:11] <tseng> StevenK has a bit of a list on dapper-changes
[01:11] <tseng> im sure it will be no problem
[01:11] <ajmitch> sure
[01:12] <StevenK> I deny any list on dapper-changes.
[01:12] <ajmitch> his list is longer than mine now, probably
[01:12] <StevenK> :-P
[01:12] <tseng> mine and yours put together
[01:12] <ajmitch> at least until I throw up another 50 or so packages
[01:12] <tseng> we are on the ubuntu chopping block
[01:12] <ajmitch> yeah
[01:12] <tseng> "Worst Maintainers"
[01:12] <ajmitch> you reckon they'll kick us out for dereliction of duty?
[01:13] <tseng> nah, there is a 2 year timeout :P
[01:13] <tseng> i do something useful at least once a month
[01:13] <ajmitch> I try & help out
[01:13] <ajmitch> not like I've done much with main yet
[01:14] <tseng> thats what seb and dholbach are for
[01:14] <ajmitch> sure
[01:14] <tseng> speaking of, he wants me to pacakge Diva
[01:14] <ajmitch> lucky you
[01:14] <ajmitch> is it even released?
[01:14] <tseng> i wonder how many more *-sharp's that will get us
[01:15] <ajmitch> doko wants me to do ironpython, which I did start
[01:15] <tseng> tiny bindings are getting old
[01:15] <ajmitch> since it at least compiles with 1.1.10
[01:15] <tseng> hm it does something useful?
[01:15] <ajmitch> & runs
[01:15] <ajmitch> I haven't tried anything large yet
[01:15] <tseng> im not sure what his motivation for it is
[01:15] <ajmitch> just another python implementation
[01:16] <ajmitch> not sure if it'll be useful to many people
[01:17] <tseng> im not that excited by any "XYZ language ported to CIL"
[01:18] <ajmitch> not even php?
[01:19] <tseng> man, that would be awful
[01:19] <tseng> i had to work on php today
[01:19] <tseng> it was pain
[01:20] <ajmitch> I have to work on php every day
[01:20] <tseng> this was before i started switching things to templated
[01:20] <tseng> some of the worst code ive ever co-authored
[01:20] <ajmitch> beating myself bloody with ubuntu packaging is my form of stress release
[01:21] <tseng> mixing my code with non-programmers always makes a mess
[01:21] <tseng> i get sick of fixing their stuff and lower myself to their level
[01:21] <tseng> embrace the crack
[01:24] <Seveas> raphink, ping
[01:24] <raphink> Seveas: yes?
[01:25] <Seveas> - should contain the short version of the GPL Licence (see other packages)
[01:25] <Seveas> I took this from an existing package
[01:25] <ajmitch> ok, sent a time suggestion to the list
[01:25] <ajmitch> hopefully I'll get a couple of replies
[01:25] <Seveas> please point me to one with a correct debian/copyright :)
[01:25] <raphink> sure Seveas wait a min
[01:26] <raphink> Seveas: http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/450302
[01:27] <raphink> I think the miss the second paragraph in your file Seveas
[01:27] <raphink> if I remember well
[01:27] <Seveas> yup
[01:28] <raphink> ;)
[01:29] <Seveas> thanks for the comments, new package has landed on revu :)
[01:30] <raphink> Seveas: good :)
[01:30] <Seveas> btw, keyboardcast is cool :)
[01:31] <raphink> what does it do exactly?
[01:31] <Seveas> do you know clusterssh?
[01:32] <ajmitch> siretart: still awake & sending out mails? :)
[01:33] <raphink> nope
[01:36] <raphink> Seveas: not sure you took all my comments in consideration though from what I see ;)
[01:37] <Seveas> I did
[01:37] <raphink> oh sorry Seveas I had forgotten to click on the new uplaoded version. Mea culpa ;)
[01:37] <siretart> ajmitch: you're right. I should get to bed now
[01:37] <raphink> hehe
[01:37] <siretart> its 1:30am here..
[01:37] <siretart> gn8 folks
[01:37] <raphink> gn8 siretart
[01:37] <Seveas> raphink, pfew, I though I screwed up with debuild/dput :)
[01:37] <siretart> I hope I did write something useful
[01:37] <raphink> hehe
[01:38] <ajmitch> siretart: it was ;)
[01:42] <raphink> Seveas: is keyboardcast a gui app or a console one?
[01:42] <Seveas> gui
[01:42] <raphink> Seveas: then you miss a .desktop file
[01:42] <Seveas> true
[01:43] <raphink> you should add one
[01:43] <Seveas> dh_make should generate one ;)
[01:43] <raphink> and mail it to upstream once it's done
[01:43] <raphink> hmm it doesn't so far Seveas  ;)
[01:44] <Seveas> http://blogs.gnome.org/view/ryanl/2005/12/04/0
[01:44] <Seveas> (info about keyboardcast)
[01:45] <raphink> wait a min
[01:45] <raphink> Seveas: where you able to install your package on dapper?
[01:46] <raphink> oh stupid me
[01:46] <raphink> nm
[01:46] <Seveas> I am testing in a breezy pbuilder, dapper wouldn't work
[01:47] <Seveas> but I thought revu does dapper?
[01:48] <raphink> Seveas: I built the package in my dapper pbuilder without a pb
[01:48] <ajmitch> Seveas: of course, we should be doing it all on dapper
[01:48] <raphink> but then I can't install it on breezy ;)
[01:48] <Seveas> raphink, I meant that pbuilder creat wouldn't work for dapper last time I tried it
[01:48] <ajmitch> Seveas: so dist-upgrade it
[01:48] <raphink> Seveas: when was last time you tried?
[01:49] <Seveas> raphink, when something was broken :)
[01:49] <Seveas> last week
[01:49] <raphink> hehe
[01:49] <Seveas> Hmm, dist upgrading the pbuilder
[01:49] <raphink> I'll build it on this breezy box to see
[01:49] <raphink> Seveas: pbuilder update
[01:50] <Seveas> --override-config
[01:50] <raphink> hmm yes
[01:50] <raphink> if you changed your sources.list
[01:51] <Seveas> and pbuilderrc
[01:51] <raphink> yes
[01:51] <Seveas> well, it's trying now
[01:51] <raphink> trying keyboardcast
[01:52] <raphink> i can't seem to type in the `type here' field :(
[01:52] <raphink> which is not very nice :(
[01:52] <Seveas> you can
[01:52] <Seveas> but all input is redirected
[01:52] <raphink> well I can't even remove the `type in here' thingy
[01:53] <raphink> and it's not redirected
[01:53] <Seveas> you're not supposed to, the thing is just for grabbing keystrokes and multiplexing them to the windows you select
[01:53] <raphink> it just doesn't work i'm afraid
[01:53] <Seveas> it's awesome for remote managing of several machines
[01:53] <raphink> oh it'snot for typing things really
[01:53] <Seveas> no, read desrt's blog :)
[01:53] <raphink> oh ok
[01:54] <raphink> it works with shortcuts or so
[01:54] <raphink> :)
[01:54] <raphink> ok
[01:54] <raphink> I'll do taht, but not tonight
[01:54] <raphink> it's almost 2AM
[01:54] <raphink> bed time
[01:54] <Seveas> hehem yeah here too
[01:54] <Seveas> i'll wait until pbuilder did it's magic
[01:54] <raphink> if I want to get a beauty sleep and be wide awake for CC tomorrow :)
[01:54] <Seveas> 50% downloaded
[01:55] <Seveas> what time is the CC?
[01:55] <raphink> hehe
[01:55] <raphink> ;)
[01:55] <Seveas> 14:00
[01:55] <Seveas> That'll be a tough one for me :(
[01:55] <raphink> yep
[01:55] <raphink> 14:00UTC
[01:56] <raphink> what time will that be for you?
[01:56] <Seveas> 15:00
[01:56] <Seveas> but I'm at work then
[01:57] <raphink> :s
[01:57] <raphink> same time for me, but I won't be working
[01:57] <Seveas> pbuilder is doing apt-magic now....
[01:58] <raphink> k
[01:58] <Seveas> pbuilder clean will clean out the old apt cache too, right?
[01:58] <raphink> it will rebuild the base.tgz
[01:59] <Seveas> ah
[01:59] <Seveas> I think I should do a pbuilder clean too then
[01:59] <raphink> why?
[02:00] <Seveas> running low on diskspace :)
[02:00] <raphink> hehe
[02:00] <Seveas> and having breezy and dapper debs in cache is stupid
[02:00] <raphink> ;
[02:00] <raphink> ok well
[02:00] <raphink> i'm off to bed
[02:01] <Seveas> g'night
[02:01] <raphink> you can find examples of .desktop files in other gui apps packages ;)
[02:01] <raphink> gnight
[02:03] <bmonty> JohnnyMast: ping
[02:04] <Seveas> bmonty, he's probably asleep (2am here)
[02:04] <bmonty> minghua: lmodern is synched
[02:04] <bmonty> k
[02:04] <minghua> bmonty: you sent the request?  thanks!
[02:05] <bmonty> minghua: yeah, what was the other package that you wanted synched?
[02:05] <minghua> bmonty: and it's also built, great.  I'll close the bug tonight when I'm back home.
[02:05] <minghua> bmonty: stardict
[02:06] <minghua> bmonty: malone bug #5191
[02:06] <Ubugtu> Malone bug #5191: stardict: merge new debian version In: stardict (Ubuntu), Severity: Normal, Assigned to: MOTU Merge Team, Status: New https://launchpad.net/bugs/5191
[02:06] <bmonty> k
[02:14] <Kyral> heyas
[02:14] <bmonty> hi Kyral
[02:41] <Seveas> raphink|sleep, desktop file added (+corrected bug wrt patching) - now to find advocating MOTUs :)
[02:42] <Kyral> which seems to be hard
[03:21] <JohnnyMast> thanks you guys for the dtailed reply on the mailing list
[03:22] <JohnnyMast> (about an other merge question)
[03:22] <LaserJock> anybody know the difference between dbs and cdbs?
[03:23] <JohnnyMast> yes
[03:23] <JohnnyMast> cdbs has an extra c
[03:23] <JohnnyMast> :p
[03:23] <JohnnyMast> (sorry)
[03:24] <LaserJock> JohnnyMast: that's ok, I would've probably done it too ;-)
[03:24] <JohnnyMast> hehe work cant be only working trough the numbers
[03:25] <ajmitch_> yes, cdbs & dbs are quite different
[03:25] <crimsun> Debian Build System (http://snoopy.apana.org.au/~bam/debian/faq/#dbs) vs. Common Debian Build System
[03:26] <ajmitch_> thanks crimsun
[03:26] <bmonty> JohnnyMast: I was wondering what you were planning to do with Malone #4387 ?
[03:26] <Ubugtu> Error: Could not parse XML returned by Malone bugzilla: Connection to Malone bugzilla failed: HTTP Error 404: Not Found
[03:26] <JohnnyMast> wich one is that bmonty
[03:26] <bmonty> it is basically merged, just waiting for the 64-bit arches to build it
[03:27] <bmonty> bayonne
[03:27] <JohnnyMast> well there are packages i got stuck with
[03:27] <ajmitch_> right, why is it assigned to JohnnyMast ?
[03:27] <ajmitch_> you got stuck with?
[03:27] <ajmitch_> how so?
[03:28] <JohnnyMast> it didnt build @ all
[03:28] <JohnnyMast> not even on bebian with all depps on the right place
[03:28] <bmonty> JohnnyMast: it has built on everything but ia64 and amd64
[03:28] <ajmitch_> you're not duplicating others' work, are you?
[03:28] <JohnnyMast> hula ?
[03:29] <JohnnyMast> hmm no
[03:29] <JohnnyMast> in fact
[03:29] <bmonty> JohnnyMast: the package is bayonne, Malone #4387
[03:29] <Ubugtu> Error: Could not parse XML returned by Malone bugzilla: Connection to Malone bugzilla failed: HTTP Error 404: Not Found
[03:29] <JohnnyMast> not one merge succeded yet
[03:29] <JohnnyMast> thats not assigned to me
[03:29] <ajmitch_> JohnnyMast: it's listed as assigned to you
[03:29] <ajmitch_> and I don't know why
[03:30] <JohnnyMast> bayonne  	bmontgom@montynet.org  	ASSIGNED  	
[03:30] <JohnnyMast> thats not my email
[03:30] <ajmitch_> 05 Dec 05 11:08   Johnny Mast  bayonne: assignee  motumergers  rave
[03:30] <ajmitch_> look at the activity log
[03:30] <ajmitch_> you're listed as changing that on the 5th
[03:30] <ajmitch_> it might have been a typo
[03:30] <JohnnyMast> yes i see
[03:30] <JohnnyMast> i asigned back
[03:30] <JohnnyMast> but then got it back as well
[03:31] <bmonty> its no problem I was just wondering why it changed :)
[03:31] <ajmitch_> it's a problem in that the merge page won't get updated accurately
[03:31] <ajmitch_> since it's no longer the assignee
[03:31] <JohnnyMast> i realy need to learn this guys
[03:31] <JohnnyMast> a bug fix isnt a problem
[03:31] <bmonty> JohnnyMast: no problem, we just need to keep the bug assigned to MOTU Mergers
[03:32] <JohnnyMast> i didnt knew that by then
[03:32] <bmonty> plus that package is merged, so not much to do with it but wait
[03:33] <JohnnyMast> yeah well, this dude is learning and trying to help out :)
[03:33] <JohnnyMast> i got a great reply on the mailing list
[03:33] <JohnnyMast> wich i will study tomorrow
[03:33] <ajmitch_> you just need to learn the procedures before randomly reassigning :)
[03:33] <ajmitch_> malone currently allows people to do anything, unlike bugzilla
[03:33] <ajmitch_> that's a good & a bad thing
[03:34] <bmonty> its partly my fault, I should have added a note saying it was waiting on 64-bit arches
[03:34] <JohnnyMast> yes, but first thing i do
[03:34] <JohnnyMast> is when i have time
[03:34] <JohnnyMast> and understand merging
[03:34] <JohnnyMast> is fixing the wiki
[03:35] <JohnnyMast> because i dont get the rules on the wiki nor does TheMuso
[03:35] <ajmitch_> common bug system ettiquette is to not reassign when it's already assigned to someone
[03:35] <ajmitch_> we should note these things down
[03:35] <JohnnyMast> well write the whole cirle down
[03:36] <JohnnyMast> i learned the most from you guys (thanks)
[03:36] <bmonty> ajmitch: I think there might be an old page that says to assign bugs to yourself and make comments in the status block
[03:36] <ajmitch_> it's not obvious what to write down until someone needs to know
[03:36] <ajmitch_> bmonty: probably
[03:36] <bmonty> JohnnyMast: do you remember what wiki page you followed?
[03:36] <ajmitch_> but this one was already assigned to motumergers
[03:36] <JohnnyMast> MOTU -> wannabee
[03:36] <JohnnyMast> and then merging
[03:37] <JohnnyMast> wich only reported how to stat the staus
[03:37] <JohnnyMast> *status
[03:37] <JohnnyMast> not how to merge
[03:37] <bmonty> do you have the wiki names?
[03:37] <bmonty> preferably the URL
[03:37] <JohnnyMast> i can look it up
[03:37] <ajmitch_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUToMerge ?
[03:37] <JohnnyMast> thats one of them
[03:38] <JohnnyMast> i think i saw more
[03:38] <JohnnyMast> but yes, that page doesnt give much info
[03:38] <JohnnyMast> unles that rule i broke then
[03:39] <JohnnyMast> then fix it
[03:40] <JohnnyMast> lol
[03:40] <bmonty> JohnnyMast: the merge bugs stay assigned to MOTU Merge Team so that REVU stays updated
[03:40] <minghua> ajmitch_: heh.  then import that bug into malone :-)
[03:40] <JohnnyMast> yes how do you DE-asign them when you cant work it out ?
[03:40] <ajmitch_> nah
[03:40] <ajmitch_> I wouldn't want to flood malone with crap ;)
[03:40] <JohnnyMast> i would be happy to hand it over
[03:41] <bmonty> JohnnyMast: I already changed it back
[03:41] <ajmitch_> I'd be happy to reassign it if firefox weren't broken here..
[03:41] <bmonty> you are welcome to watch the buildlogs and update the bug if you want
[03:42] <JohnnyMast> ok well guys, im gonna studdy that email tomorrow and if i have questions ile ask them here
[03:42] <JohnnyMast> well bmonty one day ile merge successfully as well
[03:42] <ajmitch_> bmonty: thanks for fixing it
[03:42] <ajmitch_> JohnnyMast: you've filed merge bugs?
[03:43] <JohnnyMast> well i tryed them
[03:43] <ajmitch_> ok, I see a few
[03:43] <JohnnyMast> but they failed
[03:43] <JohnnyMast> and i got lost
[03:43] <bmonty> JohnnyMast: siretart's email is a pretty good start
[03:44] <JohnnyMast> reinard is sirestart ?
[03:44] <ajmitch_> yes
[03:44] <bmonty> hmmm...what happened to the little icon that shows the status message in malone?
[03:44] <JohnnyMast> ok then i have one just simple queston
[03:44] <JohnnyMast> *question
[03:44] <JohnnyMast> the source the packages is based on
[03:44] <ajmitch_> kiki isn't fixed already, it just doesn't have MoM output
[03:44] <JohnnyMast> is a simple apt-get source <package> right ?
[03:45] <ajmitch_> 0.5.6-1 vs 0.5.6-0ubuntu2
[03:45] <ajmitch_> yes
[03:45] <JohnnyMast> oki
[03:45] <JohnnyMast> thats what i tought :)
[03:45] <ajmitch_> depending on what you have in your sources.list
[03:45] <bmonty> as long as you have dapper in sources.list
[03:45] <JohnnyMast> thats what i have bmonty
[03:46] <bmonty> JohnnyMast: then that is correct
[03:46] <JohnnyMast> good
[03:46] <JohnnyMast> well tomorrow if i have any you will hear more questions
[03:46] <JohnnyMast> but with good email reply`s like the one i got questions are soon answered (also on irc)
[03:47] <JohnnyMast> alright guys
[03:47] <JohnnyMast> im gonna sleep
[03:48] <JohnnyMast> take care all of you
[03:48] <bmonty> night JohnnyMast
[03:48] <JohnnyMast> thanks
[03:48] <ajmitch> looks like hula will be fun to merge
[03:48] <JohnnyMast> cold here is a good student too
[03:49] <JohnnyMast> but he`s shy so be carefull with him :p
[03:50] <ajmitch> ok, hula might be a 5 minute task judging by the changelog
[03:50] <JohnnyMast_ZZZZz> guys btw
[03:50] <JohnnyMast_ZZZZz> could we do one step by step if one of you got time and i still dont get it ?
[03:50] <ajmitch> sure
[03:51] <JohnnyMast_ZZZZz> good thanks
[03:51] <JohnnyMast_ZZZZz> im gonna sleep for real now :)
[03:51] <bmonty> ajmitch: if I only make changes in the debian dir, is it worthwhile to use filterdiff to get rid of all the autoconf junk? (i.e. filterdiff -i '*/debian/*' < package.debdiff)
[03:53] <ajmitch> bmonty: yeah, , but please use > :)
[03:53] <bmonty> ajmitch: of course
[03:53] <ajmitch> to get to a new debdiff
[03:53] <ajmitch> lsdiff is wonderful
[03:54] <ajmitch> I like it
[03:54] <bmonty> yeah, I just started using that :)
[03:54] <ajmitch> splitdiff is also great
[03:55] <lifeless> diff utils -> love
[03:55] <bmonty> I need to spend some time reviewing 'man -k diff' :)
[03:59] <minghua> it's hard to remember how to spell "apropos"
[04:02] <lifeless> you mean ap<tab> ?
[04:04] <bmonty> I didn't know about apropos until after I used man -k for a long time....I can't break the habit :)
[04:04] <minghua> lifeless: well, it's not always in a shell, sometimes I need to spell it in email or irc
[04:05] <lifeless> sounds like your irc and email clients need tab completion ;)
[04:10] <LaserJock> do you guys use ever use dbs?
[04:17] <LaserJock> hi Kyral
[04:23] <Kyral> this has to be an omen
[04:23] <Kyral> I come back to my room and open my fridge to find that 4 cans of soda frozen and exploded
[04:24] <bmonty> at least it isn't beer
[04:24] <Kyral> Still sticky and a pain in the ass to clean
[04:24] <bmonty> just don't let it thaw :)
[04:25] <Kyral> I cleaned it up
[04:25] <bmonty> that reminds me of when we used to freeze gum in liquid nitrogen and then smash it on the wall :)
[04:26] <ajmitch_> it's an omen of the CC meeting?
[04:27] <Kyral> Right now I hope its not an omen of my Final Exams next week
[04:27] <LaserJock> so I take it that nobody uses dbs then.
[04:28] <LaserJock> Kyral: it will be all good ;-)
[04:28] <Kyral> I can appear before the CC again if I need to
[04:28] <Kyral> I CAN'T take my finals again
[04:28] <bmonty> LaserJock: I use whatever the original packager used :)
[04:29] <LaserJock> Kyral: sure you can, when you take the class over again
[04:29] <Kyral> You don't see it
[04:29] <Kyral> I'm still on Academic Warning
[04:29] <ajmitch_> aha
[04:29] <LaserJock> bmonty: yeah, I just wondered if there were very many people/packages using it?
[04:30] <ajmitch_> LaserJock: sure
[04:30] <Kyral> As far as I am concerned, if I fail an exam I get kicked out, AGAIN!
[04:30] <LaserJock> Kyral: well study hard then. What year are you?
[04:31] <Kyral> Sophomore
[04:31] <Kyral> technically 3rd Semester Freshman
[04:31] <ajmitch_> I count 38 packages in universe using dbs
[04:31] <LaserJock> ajmitch_: doesn't seem like a lot to me. I was wondering if I should include it in the Packaging Guide
[04:32] <ajmitch_> do you want to include every tool that people might use? :)
[04:33] <LaserJock> not exactly, only relevant ones
[04:37] <bmonty> any idea what to do if the orig.tar.gz in ubuntu and debian have the same version but are different files?
[04:38] <ajmitch_> how different?
[04:39] <chillywilly> hello motu
[04:39] <ajmitch_> hello chillywilly
[04:39] <bmonty> the md5s don't match...not sure how to answer that otherwise
[04:39] <ajmitch_> bmonty: grab the tarballs, check what files are different
[04:40] <ajmitch_> it shouldn't be a problem
[04:40] <ajmitch_> unless you're wanting to sync in a new debian revision
[04:40] <bmonty> I already asked elmo to sync, and he said he couldn't becuase the orig files are different
[04:41] <ajmitch_> yay
[04:41] <ajmitch_> what package?
[04:41] <bmonty> filelight
[04:41] <ajmitch_> -0ubuntu3
[04:41] <ajmitch_> explains it
[04:41] <bmonty> yup
[04:42] <ajmitch_> either ubuntu or debian people repacked a tarball
[04:42] <ajmitch_> or upstream was naughty
[04:42] <ajmitch_> oh dear
[04:42] <ajmitch_> elmo is debian maintainer :)
[04:42] <bmonty> yes :)
[04:43] <bmonty> so do I have to merge in all the changes by hand against ubuntu's version of the tarball?
[04:43] <ajmitch_> maybe
[04:43] <ajmitch_> it's still not nice
[04:43] <ajmitch_> you could ask elmo what he thinks ;)
[04:44] <chillywilly> is elmo fury and red?
[04:44] <chillywilly> furry*
[04:44] <lifeless> uhm yes and yes
[04:44] <bmonty> ajmitch: like maybe he could bump the version in debian and then sync over to ubuntu?
[04:44] <lifeless> which adds to the humour
[04:45] <bmonty> or we could just not sync and wait for the next upstream version
[04:45] <ajmitch_> if you changed the orig.tar.gz in ubuntu, it would break the breezy archive
[04:46] <bmonty> even if it was 0.99beta7? (assuming there is such a thing)
[04:46] <ajmitch_> no
[04:46] <ajmitch_> but that would require a new upstream version
[04:47] <bmonty> good, since they are at 1.0-beta6 :)
[04:47] <ajmitch_> which is 0.99beta6
[04:47] <bmonty> :(
[04:59] <bmonty> good night everyone
[06:40] <Kyral> Goodnight MOTUs
[06:40] <ajmitch_> night
[06:40] <LaserJock> goodnight Kyral, good luck tomorrow
[06:40] <Kyral> Lets hope I wake up in time lol
[06:40] <Kyral> 9 AM EST right?
[06:41] <ajmitch_> set an alarm...
[06:44] <Kyral> LJ good luck to you as well :D
[06:45] <LaserJock> Kyral: I think it is, 6 AM PST
[06:46] <crimsun> yeah, it's godawful early for your timezone
[06:46] <crimsun> pretty crappy for mine, too, since my sleep schedule is all sorts of funk
[06:46] <LaserJock> crimsun: what's your timezone?
[06:47] <ajmitch> 3AM for me :)
[06:47] <crimsun> LaserJock: I'm EST
[06:48] <LaserJock> ajmitch: that is terrible
[06:49] <ajmitch> LaserJock: no it's not
[06:49] <ajmitch> I simply won't attend
[06:49] <crimsun> :)
[06:50] <LaserJock> ajmitch: that reminds me. your motu-school session would be like 2:00 AM for me
[06:50] <ajmitch> LaserJock: no kidding
[06:50] <ajmitch> I can't have a time to suit everyone
[06:51] <crimsun> just abuse ajmitch when he's awake ;)
[06:51] <ajmitch> nothing new there ;)
[06:51] <crimsun> hehe
[06:52] <LaserJock> well, as long as I get the log I'll be ok I guess
[07:18] <dholbach> v
[07:18] <zakame> hello dholbach :)
[07:19] <TheMuso> Morning dholbach.
[07:19] <dholbach> hey guys :)
[07:19] <ajmitch_> hi dholbach
[07:19] <crimsun> re daniel
[07:19] <jsgotangco> morning dholbach
[07:19] <dholbach> how are you all? :-)
[07:20] <crimsun> merging :)
[07:21] <dholbach> jsgotangco: would a coffee help?
[07:21] <zakame> and just got mail from elmo, my key's been added to the keyring :)
[07:21] <jsgotangco> dholbach, yeah it does
[07:21] <dholbach> zakame: cool - UPLOAD!
[07:21] <jsgotangco> zakame, cool - jump to your death!
[07:22] <zakame> dholbach: I will! :-) but I'll still post the debdiff so you can review it before I upload ;)
[07:22] <zakame> jsgotangco: buwahaha :)
[07:23] <dholbach> zakame: now you can break stuff on your own - how does it feel?
[07:23] <crimsun> rockin'
[07:24] <zakame> dholbach: a little disorienting, but I'll manage :)
[07:24] <zakame> jsgotangco: w00t
[07:25] <jsgotangco> zakame, yeah, personal playground
[07:25] <jsgotangco> hehe
[07:26] <zakame> question: which free jvm is preferred for building, kaffe or java-gcj-compat? I see debian lucene using the former, while breezy has the latter... should I keep it to that?
[07:27] <crimsun> that's a doko question, though my gut tells me that we want to minimise the diff, so choose whatever Debian's is unless there's a build-time dependency on something else
[07:28] <dholbach> when i heard doko talking about stuff, it was always gcj-compat
[07:28] <dholbach> but crimsun is right, doko will know for sure
[07:28] <dholbach> i can see the motu java team already ;)
[07:30] <dholbach> did anyone read sylpheed-claws thread on u-d@?
[07:30] <dholbach> u-devel?
[07:30] <ajmitch_> yep
[07:30] <dholbach> seems like that merge is really important
[07:30] <zakame> yes, reading it now
[07:30] <dholbach> even better, if we can sync from now on
[07:30] <Amaranth> dholbach: I say drop the gtk1 version, sync the gtk2 version from debian, and be done with it.
[07:31] <dholbach> Amaranth: we have to see what we changed in the gtk2 version
[07:31] <dholbach> Amaranth: and there might be still people using the gtk1 version
[07:32] <jsgotangco> do we know anyone in ubuntu who is in brisbane?
[07:33] <dholbach> jsgotangco: maybe the UbuntuWorldMap knows?
[07:33] <jsgotangco> dholbach, oh yeahhh
[07:34] <ajmitch_> I'm sure there are a few
[07:34] <zakame> dholbach: hm, interesting.. a MOTUJavaTeam :D I'm not much of a java code though :(
[07:35] <ajmitch_> zakame: the great thing is that you don't need to be ;)
[07:35] <zakame> ajmitch: wow! :D
[07:36] <jsgotangco> dholbach, actually its UbuntuWorldWide =)
[07:36] <dholbach> oh well :)
[07:36] <jsgotangco> oohhh andyfitz is in brisbane
[07:36] <ajmitch_> yep
[07:37] <jsgotangco> ajmitch, i might go back next week
[07:37] <dholbach> zakame: i think that teams just need to be founded, to have a contact adress and as soon as people start envisioning things, adding stuff to their todo list, ... people start joining the team
[07:37] <zakame> dholbach: yup... I'm already reading the MOTUTeamHowto :)
[07:38] <dholbach> :))))
[07:39] <zakame> hey minghua :)
[07:39] <minghua> hi zakame
[07:41] <ajmitch_> StevenK: nice future plans
[07:43] <zakame> nice indeed :)
[08:02] <TheMuso> How does one reassign a bug to motureviewers in malone?
[08:05] <dholbach> if you click on the package name in the         <package>  <status>  <severity>  <assigned to>    line
[08:05] <dholbach> below "Fix requested in"
[08:05] <dholbach> see it?
[08:06] <TheMuso> above or below?
[08:06] <dholbach> the package name, if you click on it - does that work?
[08:06] <TheMuso> Yeah.
[08:06] <dholbach> cool
[08:07] <TheMuso> There is an assigned to option that has nobody, me, and a universe bugs option.
[08:08] <dholbach> and below that, there's a box, where you can just write "motureviewers" in
[08:08] <TheMuso> Is that where I should be?
[08:08] <dholbach> exactly right
[08:08] <TheMuso> ok
[08:09] <TheMuso> Thanks.
[08:09] <dholbach> de rien
[08:10] <TheMuso> Crap. I screwed up.
[08:10] <dholbach> what's wrong?
[08:10] <TheMuso> I updated the status for the wrontg bug and attached a debdiff to the wrong bug.
[08:10] <ajmitch_> as long as you didn't kill launchpad it's still fine ;)
[08:11] <TheMuso> Need to update the debdiff again. Damn!
[08:12] <zakame> hehe, that's ok
[08:12] <TheMuso> Accidentally updated 5384.
[08:13] <TheMuso> Lets try again.
[08:14] <ajmitch_> ok, you don't need to add a 2nd changelog entry
[08:14] <ajmitch_> the 'Resynchronise with debian' is enough, if you put your own name to it
[08:14] <TheMuso> ajmitch_: I listed the wrong merge bug that is being closed.
[08:14] <ajmitch_> I know
[08:14] <TheMuso> I uploaded the debdiff to the wrong bug anyway.
[08:15] <ajmitch_> I looked at the debdiff though :)
[08:15] <TheMuso> Its alright. I have done it already and will upload when done.
[08:22] <TheMuso> That should be better now.
[08:30] <dholbach> if nobody raises objections in the next 4-5 hours i'll send out http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/ReviewDayAnnounce
[08:33] <ajmitch_> dholbach: looks good
[08:33] <dholbach> merci
[08:33] <dholbach> :)
[08:38] <minghua> dholbach: you probably want to emphasize motureviewers are for packages already in ubuntu.  I read that part twice, and I already more or less knew what motureviewers is :-)
[08:38] <bojan> hi!
[08:39] <dholbach> minghua: thanks for the heads-up, will rewrite
[08:42] <dholbach> minghua: updated it
[08:44] <minghua> dholbach: that's much clearer, thanks
[08:44] <dholbach> thank *you* :)
[08:51] <minghua> Hmm, what is the fridge-devel list?  I can't find it at http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/
[08:52] <robitaille> minghua,  it is the list for the Fridge editors
[08:53] <dholbach> minghua: http://fridge.ubuntu.com
[08:54] <minghua> robitaille: I see, thanks
[08:55] <robitaille> minghua,  you can email ideas and articles to it.  See the last line of http://fridge.ubuntu.com/about
[08:58] <ajmitch_> and then you become famous
[08:58] <ajmitch_> & get all the girls
[08:58] <ajmitch_> right?
[09:00] <dholbach> yeah
[09:00] <jsgotangco> girls?
[09:00] <jsgotangco> really?
[09:00] <ajmitch_> I'd better get writing
[09:01] <jsgotangco> how come speaking doesn't get the girls
[09:01] <jsgotangco> :(
[09:02] <dholbach> speaking does too :)
[09:04] <ajmitch_> what does reviewing get you?
[09:05] <dholbach> fame and gratitude
[09:05] <ajmitch_> cool
[09:05] <dholbach> experience?
[09:05] <ajmitch_> I'd like the fortune as well :)
[09:06] <jsgotangco> if you build it they will come
[09:11] <minghua> anybody know the plan for the second step of libstdc++ allocator ABI transition?  the part debian is doing by binNMU'ing a bunch of packages
[09:11] <dholbach> we'll do simple rebuilds
[09:11] <minghua> dholbach: adding build1 suffices in version number?
[09:11] <dholbach> yeah and a simple changelog entry
[09:11] <dholbach> build1 in the cases, where there are no ubuntuN yet
[09:12] <dholbach> minghua: it's time you become a MOTU too :)
[09:12] <dholbach> minghua: you're not a member yet, are you?
[09:12] <ajmitch_> doko will probably upload huge batches of packages again for rebuild
[09:13] <minghua> dholbach: no, not a member yet.  but I'm not ready for the CC meeting in six hours, for sure
[09:13] <dholbach> then next time
[09:13] <dholbach> :)
[09:13] <dholbach> i'm happy you're here nevertheless :)
[09:13] <minghua> dholbach: I plan to apply for membership the next CC meeting
[09:13] <dholbach> excellent
[09:14] <minghua> dholbach: it's a pleasure to work with you guys
[09:14] <dholbach> :-)
[09:15] <ajmitch_> hm, I wonder if this is a gtk+ bug or freeciv bug..
[09:36] <sivang> morning all
[09:37] <minghua> hi sivang
[09:59] <sivang> hey minghua
[10:41] <raphink> Seveas: seems to me if you don't keep the `later' in the license, then the `either' should be removed too ;)
[10:42] <raphink> Seveas: ; either version 2 of the License.
[10:43] <Seveas> hmm, indeed
[10:43] <raphink> ;)
[10:43] <Seveas> The whole license was a mess-up: he didn't license it at all and I was working on 3 or 4 things at the same time
[10:43] <Seveas> but that is OK now :)
[10:44] <raphink> and while you're working on small details in debian/copyright, you can put a capital c in the (C) and space between (C) and YYYY
[10:44] <raphink> that's just very small details though ;)
[10:44] <raphink> oh ok
[10:44] <Seveas> I never use a capital c in (c) :)
[10:44] <raphink> ok
[10:45] <raphink> ;)
[10:45] <Seveas> i'd rather use , but afaik these files should be ASCII :)
[10:46] <raphink> I usually use  myself
[10:47] <raphink> but a lot of people use (C)
[10:47] <Seveas> all irrelevant details
[10:47] <raphink> indeed lol
[10:47] <Seveas> As long as the software is nice, people are happy :)
[10:47] <raphink> :)
[10:47] <Seveas> and keyboardcast is cool
[10:48] <raphink> well why do people use Ubuntu instead of Mandriva ?
[10:48] <raphink> I think there is to do with the quality of the package system and of the packages
[10:48] <Seveas> deb >> rpm
[10:48] <Seveas> and definitely package quality
[10:48] <raphink> policy is stricter in Debian and Ubuntu than in most other distros
[10:48] <Seveas> yeah
[10:48] <Seveas> I like it
[10:48] <raphink> that helps too
[10:49] <raphink> all these small details make the whole thing
[10:49] <Seveas> Better make it hard for developers who know what they doing, then for user who don't
[10:49] <raphink> yes
[10:50] <raphink> this said, you sometimes find horrible debs around (not in the official repos, but on {kde,gnome}-apps for example)
[10:50] <Seveas> yeah, my first attempts at packaging were equally horrible
[10:50] <Seveas> did you see the stupid bug in my patch handling?
[10:50] <raphink> hehe
[10:50] <raphink> hmm no, what is that?
[10:51] <raphink> :s
[10:51] <raphink> in debian/rules you mean ?
[10:51] <Seveas> yeah
[10:52] <Seveas> didn't unpatch in the clean target
[10:52] <raphink> ok
[10:52] <raphink> ic
[10:53] <raphink> I use cdbs usually
[10:53] <raphink> it does all this automatically
[10:53] <Seveas> don't tell ogra :)
[10:53] <raphink> lol
[10:53] <raphink> well some told me it's better to do so
[10:53] <raphink> but I surely don't want to miss the lecture on saturday ;)
[10:53] <ogra> Seveas, he simply wont make his exams in #ubuntu-motu-school :P
[10:54] <Seveas> ogra, :)
[10:54] <Seveas> ogra, but not using debhelper is simply masochistic
[10:54] <ogra> you need to know both ...
[10:54] <raphink> yes
[10:55] <ogra> since we have to handle packages that use both ...
[10:55] <raphink> I learned a bit of `classic rules' some time ago
[10:55] <Seveas> yeah, but simply using dh_desktop instead of writing a post{inst,rm} is so much nicer :)
[10:55] <raphink> I'm able to read and understand it ;)
[10:55] <ogra> thats true
[10:56] <raphink> using cdbs doesn't prevent from using debhelper in addition though ;)
[10:57] <Seveas> using cdbs hides all details
[10:57] <raphink> yes
[10:57] <Seveas> that said, a well-written piece of software needs a 3-line debian/rules with cdbs which is cool in its own way
[10:57] <raphink> 3-line is a bit too much sometimes ;)
[10:58] <siretart> Seveas: it is even trickier to build packages without debhelper ;)
[10:58] <Seveas> siretart, I know
[10:58] <Seveas> I built one without it
[10:59] <raphink> o_O
[10:59] <Seveas> (well: a plugin ported to beep from xmms where the xmms plugin had a package, su i used the debian/ dir from that one :))
[10:59] <raphink> was that for fun?
[10:59] <raphink> hello siretart
[10:59] <siretart> huhu raphink
[10:59] <raphink> hmm ok ;)
[11:00] <siretart> raphink: is seems to be a common task during the debian NM process: building a small package without debhelper or/cdbs, just with basic tools like cp, echo and cat
[11:00] <raphink> ic
[11:00] <Seveas> aka, reimplementing parts of debhelper/cdbs in debian/rules :)
[11:01] <raphink> yes
[11:01] <raphink> if you know what has to be done, it might not be too difficult
[11:01] <Seveas> as a MOTU you should know what has to be done :)
[11:02] <raphink> and so many proprietary developers have to reinvent the wheel each time they program something ; you just have to suffer that to understand them ;)
[11:02] <raphink> I'm not a MOTU yet Seveas, but I plan to exactly know what has to be done by the time I get to be one. Which is why I ask questions :)
[11:03] <Seveas> :)
[11:03] <siretart> you will be soon, I'm sure..
[11:03] <raphink> :)
[11:04] <Seveas> I think i'm at about 10% of what a MOTU needs to know ;)
[11:07] <raphink> Seveas: that can increase fast enough :)
[11:07] <raphink> I think I'm still a bit far too
[11:07] <Seveas> It increases by practice
[11:07] <Seveas> this keyboardcast thing is a nice first practice
[11:07] <Seveas> Maybe I'll put up gnome-vfs-fuse in a few days once I finish it
[11:07] <raphink> and of quite good quality :)
[11:09] <raphink> Seveas: did you work on malone yourself?
[11:10] <Seveas> not too much
[11:10] <Seveas> But I do a lot on bugzilla
[11:10] <raphink> a bit though?
[11:10] <sivang> siretart: iirc someone was going to give that lesson right?
[11:10] <raphink> i'm a bit lost with malone
[11:10] <sivang> siretart: (hand made debian/rules based package)
[11:10] <raphink> don't really know where I shoud begin
[11:10] <raphink> sivang: ajmitch on saturday
[11:10] <siretart> sivang: there is an idea, but I think nobody has yet agreed to actually give the lesson
[11:10] <sivang> raphink: cool
[11:11] <sivang> siretart: we can just make it a very small package
[11:11] <siretart> sivang: you want to give the lesson? ;)
[11:11] <sivang> siretart: which would simplify the lesson alot, and suffice to demonstrate the principles
[11:11] <sivang> siretart: me? :)
[11:12] <sivang> I don't think I could give such a lesson. You might be a better candidate :)
[11:12] <sivang> you're already approved for main, which measn you reached the point where you know what you are doing :)
[11:13] <siretart> we'll see when I have time. it might be a good practice for my NM application as well..
[11:37] <raphink> how do I mark a bug as fixed in malone siretart ?
[11:40] <siretart> raphink: klick on 'NEW'
[11:40] <siretart> raphink: or use lpbugs.py
[11:41] <raphink> well I'm working on malone now so clicking on NEW is easy ;)
[11:41] <raphink> I just put fixed and that's it?
[11:42] <siretart> if the package has built on all archs, yes
[11:42] <raphink> siretart: this bug is not true. Do I have to put a special marker on it like `Wontfix' ?
[11:42] <siretart> it is called 'rejected'
[11:42] <raphink> ok
[11:42] <raphink> so it's not fixed, but rejected instead
[11:42] <raphink> and no additional info
[11:43] <siretart> put some comments in the text field below why you reject a bug
[11:43] <raphink> I commented the bug already
[11:43] <siretart> can be short, but it will be in the status mails. status mails rejecting bugs without explanation are somewhat suspicous
[11:43] <raphink> can you have a look ? https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/rpm/+bug/5344
[11:43] <Ubugtu> Malone bug #5344: rpm  depends on universe library In: rpm (Ubuntu), Severity: Normal, Assigned to: Raphink, Status: Rejected https://launchpad.net/bugs/5344
[11:44] <raphink> hmm ok so I should leave a comment when rejecting the bug
[11:44] <siretart> in this case it is okay, because the bug is assigned to you
[11:44] <siretart> so only you get the status mail
[11:44] <siretart> I thought you were talking about bugs assigned to MOTU
[11:45] <raphink> no
[11:45] <raphink> I assigned the bug to myself
[11:45] <raphink> it was not assigned to anybody
[11:45] <raphink> I can do that, can't I?
[11:45] <raphink> :s
[11:46] <siretart> sure
[11:46] <siretart> then you take responsibility over the bug :)
[11:47] <raphink> :) ok
[11:47] <raphink> I take the entire responsability over this non-existing bug ;)
[11:47] <raphink> hehe
[12:44] <shawarma> What is the easiest way to fetch the source for the automatically merged packages?
[12:45] <shawarma> It seems that doing it via a web browser is less than elegant. is there a deb-src repo?
[12:45] <dholbach> shawarma: add debian sources to apt/sources.list, and run    apt-get source -t sid <srcpackage>
[12:46] <dholbach> this is the last moment to raise objections against review day on 10th/11th
[12:46] <TheMuso> shawarma: If you mean the packages that need work on them etc, I use lftp and just do a mirror packagename within the ongoing-merge directory.
[12:46] <dholbach> and to propose a better announcement than http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/ReviewDayAnnouncement
[12:46] <shawarma> dholbach: And then fetch the _merged.debdiff from web?
[12:47] <dholbach> shawarma: however you like it
[12:47] <dholbach> shawarma: but that's a possibility, yes
[12:47] <sivang> shawarma, dholbach : this should be documented somewhere
[12:47] <shawarma> TheMuso: lftp, eh?
[12:47] <TheMuso> shawarma: Yes, the mirror command allows you to grab entire directories, and everything in them.
[12:47] <dholbach> sivang: if it's not on the MOTUToMerge page or somewhere else on the wiki, i fear, no
[12:48] <shawarma> TheMuso: interesting. Thanks!
[12:48] <sivang> dholbach: so we probably need to put it there. When I am approaching a merge I want to have all neccessary info aside me.
[12:49] <dholbach> sivang: i don't know, if it helps that much
[12:49] <sivang> dholbach: but that gets you only the sid package, not the "merged" one as shawarma  wanted, no?
[12:49] <sivang> dholbach: right. I agree
[12:49] <dholbach> sivang: merging is a process, where you have to judge all the information you see in a diff
[12:49] <dholbach> sivang: MoM can help with that, but it's not perfect, or we would auto-merge
[12:50] <sivang> dholbach: sure, so there is no really "merged" source pkg, or if the merge went fine and there is, then it's a regular ubuntu package
[12:50] <dholbach> i don't fully understand
[12:50] <sivang> dholbach: regular ubuntu source pkg that is
[12:50] <TheMuso> I have seen unassigned packages that have had no dropped patch file in their directory.
[12:50] <sivang> TheMuso: hmm, then why were they assigned or need work?
[12:51] <raphink> dholbach: can programs under a derivative of the Mozilla Public Licence be included in universe?
[12:51] <TheMuso> sivang: Thats the question I have been asking myself, and haven't bothered chacing that up yet.
[12:51] <TheMuso> There are others that do have dropped stuff that need work.
[12:51] <dholbach> sivang: that's your task to have a ubuntu source package (or sync from debian, if they have all the necessary changes)
[12:51] <dholbach> raphink: that depends on the derivative, i guess
[12:51] <dholbach> raphink: i'm no license expert, sorry
[12:51] <raphink> dholbach: it seems the License just changes Mozilla to the current program
[12:52] <raphink> otherwise it's a MPL 1.1
[12:52] <raphink> which seems to be compatible with GPL components
[12:54] <TheMuso> shawarma: BTW it is documented to a point here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUMergeTips
[12:54] <shawarma> TheMuso: I'll take a look. Thanks
[12:54] <dholbach> raphink: maybe you write to the mailing list about it
[12:55] <dholbach> raphink: u-devel@ that is
[01:02] <dholbach> new beagle? :)
[01:05] <shawarma> Is people.ubuntu.com supposed to respond to ftp requests?
[01:05] <shawarma> never mind
[01:16] <TheMuso> Could anybody possibly explain why a package gets renamed, for example libibtk0 to libibtk0c2?
[01:30] <sivang> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUMergeTips
[01:31] <shawarma> On that page it says:
[01:31] <shawarma> * BUG Title Format: Title: <sourcepackage-name>: merge new debian version
[01:31] <shawarma> ...so for privoxy the title should be "Title: privoxy: merge new debian version" ?
[01:31] <shawarma> That's just weird.
[01:32] <TheMuso> shawarma: I strongly suggest you use the lpbugs.py script. Makes things heaps easier.
[01:32] <shawarma> Where can I find that?
[01:32] <TheMuso> I could not have managed the ones I have done so far by hand.
[01:33] <shawarma> Nevertheless.. Is the title really supposed to be "Title: blahblah" ?
[01:34] <TheMuso> bzr branch  http://tiber.tauware.de/~shermann/motu-tools/
[01:34] <TheMuso> You need bzr installed to grab it, and just use that command. It is stored in a bzr repo.
[01:34] <TheMuso> shawarma: Are you on the universe-bugs mailing list?
[01:35] <TheMuso> I suggest you go to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUToMerge to read up on what has to be done to do a merge.
[01:35] <shawarma> TheMuso: I'm looking at it right now.
[01:35] <shawarma> TheMuso: That's the page telling me to set the title to "Title: blahbla"..
[01:36] <TheMuso> Yeah. I will show you a sample from one I have done. Hold on a sec.
[01:36] <TheMuso> MOM: http://people.ubuntu.com/~scott/ongoing-merge/libibtk
[01:36] <TheMuso> MOTU: TheMuso
[01:36] <TheMuso> Status: to be merged
[01:37] <TheMuso> Now if you look at the wiki page, you will see what they are saying you have to enter is practically the same as what I have just shown you.
[01:38] <shawarma> Right.
[01:38] <shawarma> well, maybe it'll make more sense when I see the lpbugs interface.
[01:38] <shawarma> Right now it just looks weird that I'm required to prefix the title with "title: "
[01:39] <TheMuso> You don't prefix the title with title: They are ferring to the bug form in which you enter the data.
[01:40] <TheMuso> So like this.
[01:40] <TheMuso> libibtk: merge new debian version
[01:40] <TheMuso> That goes in the title field.
[01:41] <TheMuso> I thought it a bit teedious when I read through it, but when I was pointed to the various scripts and tools that make doing such tasks a lot easier, I dthought otherwise, and let the script do it for me. :)
[01:41] <TheMuso> Another nice thing about the script is that it clearsigns the data with your GPG key.
[01:41] <shawarma> I see.
[01:42] <shawarma> It's not very transparent, though.
[01:42] <TheMuso> What exactly do you mean?
[01:42] <shawarma> For the info on the page to make sense, you need to know about a tool that is not listed on the page.
[01:42] <shawarma> Check out the motutomerge page and imagine you know nothing about lpbugs and see what it says about the title of the bug.
[01:43] <TheMuso> You don't need to know about the tool, it just makes things easier. I am sure there are people who manually enter the data required.
[01:43] <TheMuso> Yeah I know where you are coming from. I have read that page several times today, and several more last night.
[01:44] <shawarma> I read somewhere that it was REALLY important that I set the title according to the documentation, so if I had entered the bug in the web interface, I would have set it to "Title: blahblahb".. Maybe I'm the only one who actually believes stuff I read. :-)
[01:45] <TheMuso> Different interpretations of what is being asked I guess.
[01:45] <TheMuso> Yes I agree that the wording could be somewhat different.
[01:45] <TheMuso> I sometimes don't think that point form does the docs justice.
[01:46] <TheMuso> Anyway, I am sure the creaters are aware of some of these issues that have been raised.
[01:46] <shawarma> Probably.
[01:47] <TheMuso> Anyway, I really must get to bed. I hope I have been some help, and apologise for not being able to help you further at this point. There is also the mailing list if you have any questions, i.e the ubuntu-motu list. Merges don't have to be done straight away, especially bigger merges. :)
[01:48] <TheMuso> Straight away as in an hour or two.
[01:49] <shawarma> You definitely did help. Thanks a lot!
[01:49] <shawarma> Sleep well.
[01:49] <TheMuso> Thanks.
[01:50] <TheMuso> And good luck.
[02:05] <crimsun> 'morning
[02:05] <sivang> morning crimsun
[02:08] <crimsun> hi sivang :)
[02:10] <\sh> moins
[02:10] <crimsun> re \sh
[02:11] <shawarma> I have to say I'm pretty confused regarding doing these merges..
[02:11] <crimsun> what are you confused about?
[02:11] <shawarma> I've created (using lpbugs.py) a bug saying that I'm working on the merge.
[02:11] <shawarma> so far so good..
[02:11] <shawarma> Now I'm supposed to upload a debdiff to malone, right?
[02:11] <crimsun> yes, for that bug #
[02:12] <\sh> shawarma: yes
[02:12] <shawarma> Will lpbugs help me do that or do I use the web interface..
[02:12] <shawarma> ?
[02:12] <\sh> shawarma: webinterface...
[02:12] <crimsun> attach it
[02:12] <\sh> shawarma: right now, I don't know how to add an attachement via mail interface to this bug
[02:12] <shawarma> Ok.. The debdiff is between which revisions?
[02:12] <shawarma> The old ubuntu pkg, the new debian package or?
[02:13] <crimsun> against the newest in Sid against which the MoM is done
[02:13] <shawarma> I mean, between the old ubuntu package and the merged one?
[02:13] <\sh> the old ubuntu package and the new ubuntu package...if it's a sync there is no debdiff at all
[02:13] <shawarma> \sh: It's a merge.
[02:14] <\sh> shawarma: so then debdiff between old and new
[02:14] <\sh> ah no....
[02:14] <StevenK> Blargh.
[02:14] <\sh> new and new
[02:14] <crimsun> re steve
[02:14] <shawarma> Ok, I'm only slightly less confused now. :-D
[02:15] <\sh> shawarma: me too...no actually it's better to have a debdiff between the debian package and the new ubuntu package#
[02:15] <crimsun> shawarma: the MoM's done against the current Dapper and the current Sid, so your debdiff will be between current Sid and current Dapper+necessary changes
[02:15] <\sh> that's the easiest way to achieve it
[02:16] <shawarma> Ok... I think I got it..
[02:17] <shawarma> so something similar to the pkgname_merged.patch found in MoM?
[02:17] <shawarma> er..
[02:17] <crimsun> shawarma: perhaps it's easiest to think of it this way: We always prefer a sync wherever possible (fewer maintenance headaches), thus our base is always what's in Sid. When you're doing a merge, you have to fix something specific to Dapper in the Sid package
[02:17] <shawarma> the pkg_name.debdiff, I mean.
[02:17] <shawarma> crimsun: That makes sense.
[02:18] <shawarma> crimsun: This particular package needs changes, though. (it has an init script, so it does log_begin_msg and stuff)
[02:19] <crimsun> REPORT should give you a good starting point
[02:19] <shawarma> crimsun: It does.
[02:19] <crimsun> essentially always check first if the Ubuntu changes have been subsumed by Debian. If so, then you just have to forward-port anything specific to Ubuntu
[02:20] <StevenK> I went to bed at 7pm to catch up on sleep, and my lovely wife woke me at midnight for the CC meeting.
[02:20] <shawarma> crimsun: Right. And those few ubuntu-specifics are supposed to be the only thing in the debdiff, right?
[02:20] <crimsun> shawarma: if that's all that's needed, yep
[02:21] <crimsun> StevenK: ouch
[02:21] <shawarma> crimsun: Great. Thanks!
[02:24] <StevenK> crimsun: Can I get you to eyeball a (large) debdiff?
[02:24] <crimsun> StevenK: sure
[02:24] <StevenK> crimsun: http://wedontsleep.org/~steven/moin_1.3.5-1ubuntu1.debdiff
[02:27] <crimsun> no kidding, that's a behemoth
[02:28] <StevenK> Yeah.
[02:35] <crimsun> StevenK: is the following necessary?
[02:35] <crimsun> +ifneq (,$(findstring python22,$(DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS)))
[02:35] <crimsun> +# Required on woody, were default python is too old
[02:35] <crimsun> +pythonver = 2.2
[02:35] <crimsun> +DEB_PYTHON_COMPILE_VERSION := 2.2
[02:35] <crimsun> +else
[02:35] <crimsun> +pythonver = 2.4
[02:35] <crimsun> +endif
[02:36] <StevenK> crimsun: No. I suspect I can kill that since I've touched the rest of debian/rules.
[02:36] <crimsun> ok. That's the only thing that jumped out at initial run-through
[02:36] <LaserJock> hi crimsun
[02:36] <StevenK> Right.
[02:37] <crimsun> LaserJock: hi
[02:40] <zakame> hello
[02:41] <crimsun> hi zakame
[02:42] <zakame> evening crimsun :-)
[02:52] <ogra> YAY
[02:53] <crimsun> yeah, we have a bunch of worthy guys :)
[02:53] <dholbach> oh wow
[02:54] <LaserJock> sweet
[02:54] <zakame> woohoo :D
[02:56] <Kyral> 4 minutes CRAP
[02:57] <shawarma> crimsun: Hmmm.... If I theoretically just took the debian-version and applied the very few patches needed for ubuntu.. what about the changelog? It will be missing the earlier ubuntu revisions, won't it?
[02:58] <Kyral> I know I know :D
[02:58] <crimsun> shawarma: don't discard changelogs.
[02:58] <Kyral> Bed felt so nice :D
[03:00] <shawarma> crimsun: Exactly... so the changelog should be maintained under all circumstances?
[03:00] <shawarma> crimsun: Yeah, that makes sense.
[03:00] <crimsun> shawarma: yep
[03:00] <Kyral> Lets rock and roll :D
[03:05] <zakame> YAY! lucene finally builds
[03:07] <derekS> whats the wiki page to request a program be packaged?
[03:07] <Kyral> UniverseCanditates?
[03:07] <derekS> Kyral: thanks
[03:08] <shawarma> crimsun: So, if A is the most recent ubuntu revision of package X, B is the debian revision upon which A is based, and C is the revision currently in sid, the recipe is: From the diff between B and A, extract the changelog stuff and any other changes still relevant, apply to C (resulting in a new Ubuntu package, D) and create a debdiff between C and D, and that's what I'm supposed to upload, right?
[03:08] <shawarma> crimsun: Are there any other exceptions apart from the changelog that should always survive?
[03:09] <StevenK> shawarma: It's more complicated than that.
[03:09] <shawarma> StevenK: How so?
[03:09] <StevenK> shawarma: If a package builds unmodified from the version in sid, and works, it can be synced. No upload by you is necessary.
[03:10] <shawarma> StevenK: Sure.
[03:10] <shawarma> StevenK: I'm only considering the case where an actual merge is needed.
[03:10] <zakame> shawarma: you could also read the MoM logs to determine whether sync/merge is necessary
[03:10] <StevenK> shawarma: Right. Then yes, you're right.
[03:11] <shawarma> StevenK: Great.
[03:11] <shawarma> zakame: URL?
[03:12] <zakame> shawarma: people.ubuntu.com/~scott/ongoing-merge/LOGS/mom.20051107.log
[03:12] <Kyral> We still have to do that Three Line Intro thing right?
[03:13] <zakame> yep
[03:13] <StevenK> Heh. Mine isn't three lines.
[03:13] <Kyral> So basically summerize the first paragraph of my Wiki :P
[03:13] <crimsun> in the case of syncs, we may still need to merge. Take the example where the package is also a candidate for the libstdc++ allocator transition where Sid has adopted Ubuntu changes. In that case you'd still need to merge due to the libstdc++ allocator transition.
[03:14] <crimsun> generally speaking, that's rare enough to not be spectacularly problematic
[03:14] <zakame> yup, that's another important consideration
[03:14] <shawarma> crimsun: I thought the very definition of "sync" was something that didn't need merging.
[03:14] <shawarma> ...oh... sync is then there's currently no -ubuntu revision?
[03:15] <crimsun> shawarma: the sync as I just used it above refers to the instance where a newer version in Sid builds fine in Dapper
[03:15] <shawarma> crimsun: Ok.
[03:25] <Kyral> how long do these normally go? I have class at 1100 EST :/
[03:26] <Amaranth> tb or cc?
[03:27] <Kyral> CC
[03:27] <Amaranth> i guess either way it's 1-2 hours
[03:27] <Kyral> Actually technically I have class at 1000
[03:27] <Amaranth> i have class in 30 minutes ago
[03:27] <Kyral> but I always blow it off...its a glorified study hall
[03:27] <zakame> I'd venture 3, with this agenda
[03:28] <Kyral> .....
[03:28] <Kyral> Crap....
[03:29] <Kyral> The Forums Issue is gonna blow up...
[03:29] <Kyral> I had a flamewar over it last weekend
[03:48] <Kyral> I think its better that Kass isn't there now...
[04:02] <Kyral> Wasn't it only supposed to be 3 lines? lol
[04:05] <zakame> hehe I remember mine spilled to 4
[04:05] <Kyral> yah but thats liek what? 10?
[04:06] <StevenK> Mine looks to be 6 or 7
[04:06] <Kyral> I'm just going to sum up my intro paragraph
[04:07] <Kyral> and per my style, wing it completely :D
[04:07] <LaserJock> lol
[04:09] <zakame> er its three here (though then again, I'm on 1280x960)
[04:09] <Kyral> lol
[04:11] <zakame> hehe
[04:12] <zakame> then again, mine also went up to 7, considering the return
[04:20] <raphink> oh there's a second discussio nhere ;)
[04:20] <raphink> hehe
[04:26] <zakame> hey Nafallo
[04:27] <Nafallo> morning :-)
[04:27] <Nafallo> [16:26]  < Nafallo> morning :-)
[04:27] <Nafallo> hmm
[04:27] <crimsun> congrats, LaserJock
[04:27] <Kyral> Nice one my friend
[04:28] <Kyral> now my turn :D
[04:28] <raphink> :)
[04:28] <raphink> good luck Kyral :)
[04:28] <zakame> go rock Kyral :)
[04:29] <LaserJock> go Kyral
[04:30] <Kyral> I like things short and sweet :D
[04:30] <Kyral> and thats like 4 lines on my screen
[04:31] <jsgotangco> :P
[04:38] <jsgotangco> half of it is good, half of it not soo good
[04:38] <jsgotangco> half of which seem to like automatix..
[04:39] <crimsun> heh, if you think automatix is bad, you should have seen ubuntuguide in its heyday
[04:39] <Treenaks> crimsun: now combine
[04:41] <crimsun> the wee bit o' drama I've read about it makes me want to stab my eyes out
[04:41] <Amaranth> crimsun: automatix freaking makes a root user and does --force-yes
[04:41] <Amaranth> --force-yes will say yes to system breaking things too, won't it?
[04:41] <Amaranth> ones where apt makes you type in "I know what I'm doing" or whatever
[04:41] <Kyral> Wait is that yes or no lol
[04:42] <LaserJock> I'm pretty sure that was a yes
[04:42] <crimsun> congrats chris
[04:42] <LaserJock> what to go man!
[04:42] <LaserJock> s/what/way/
[04:42] <\sh> congrats kyral :)
[04:42] <Amaranth> Kyral: email! :P
[04:43] <Kyral> yah that has to get setup right?
[04:43] <Amaranth> Kyral: No, I meant don't forget to email me your log. :)
[04:43] <Kyral> oh lool
[04:43] <Kyral> we do get that eventually I think lol
[05:02] <Kyral> Gotta love Irssi from class :D
[05:02] <raphink> lol
[05:03] <Kyral> raphink: did you get in?
[05:03] <raphink> nope
[05:03] <raphink> LJ?
[05:04] <Kyral> LaserJock:
[05:04] <LaserJock> Kyral: yeah?
[05:04] <Kyral> Party time? :D
[05:04] <raphink> oh ok
[05:04] <raphink> hehe
[05:04] <LaserJock> Kyral: ohhh, yeah. except I have class in a bit
[05:04] <Kyral> lol I'm IN class ;P
[05:05] <LaserJock> Kyral: and I have to report a bug in Gnome to get a Science menu
[05:05] <Kyral> ah
[05:05] <Kyral> we ping Seveas to get hostmasks right?
[05:06] <StevenK> Whee.
[05:07] <LaserJock> Kyral: I guess. I don't know that I care.
[05:07] <Kyral> I'm used to using a hostmask on IRC lol
[05:10] <zakame> er who did I miss? :)
[05:10] <Kyral> huh?
[05:11] <zakame> Kyral: are you in now? :)
[05:11] <zakame> I got cut off, power here b0rked :(
[05:11] <Kyral> Yup
[05:11] <Kyral> so is LaserJock
[05:11] <siretart> StevenK: grats to membership!
[05:11] <siretart> sorry that I couldn't attend, boss was in this room
[05:11] <zakame> YAY for Kyral and StevenK !!!
[05:11] <LaserJock> siretart: man I hate that when that happens
[05:11] <Kyral> and LaserJock
[05:12] <zakame> and LaserJock !!!
[05:12] <Kyral> siretart: its called tabbing down the window/moving it to another workspace
[05:12] <Kyral> ;P
[05:12] <siretart> Kyral: LaserJock: congrats to you too!
[05:14] <LaserJock> siretart: thanks. and thanks again for that MOTUScience ML
[05:15] <siretart> no problem
[05:19] <Kyral> I think I have new email addy to add to my Key now...
[05:32] <Seveas> Kyral, ?
[05:32] <zakame> Kyral: ooh
[05:32] <Kyral> huh?
[05:33] <LaserJock> Kyral: hostmask?
[05:33] <Kyral> yea
[05:37] <LaserJock> Seveas: is there anything post-membership that we need to do?
[05:38] <zakame> LaserJock: er you could ask for a ubuntu cloak ;)
[05:38] <Kyral> zakame: I want one :D
[05:38] <Seveas> LaserJock, only making sure that you respect the CoC and continue contributing
[05:38] <Seveas> Kyral, k
[05:39] <zakame> and yes, a signed CoC on LP
[05:39] <Kyral> ..the Forum issue is about to go WRONG fast
[05:40] <LaserJock> Seveas: ok , will do ;-)
[05:40] <zakame> hey JohnnyMast :D
[05:41] <JohnnyMast> hey m8, everything okey around here ?
[05:41] <JohnnyMast> w00t 30 emails ?
[05:41] <JohnnyMast> you guys have been bussy last night
[05:41] <zakame> just missed the CC meeting :D
[05:42] <JohnnyMast> i know i was off the list
[05:42] <JohnnyMast> and i was gone buying some cloths
[05:44] <JohnnyMast> kryrel was in the meeting right ?
[05:44] <Kyral> yah
[05:44] <JohnnyMast> and my man ?
[05:44] <Kyral> Now trying to control the Forums Issue again
[05:44] <JohnnyMast> are you a member now ?
[05:44] <Kyral> Yes
[05:44] <Kyral> :D
[05:44] <JohnnyMast> congrates man !
[05:44] <Kyral> As is LaserJock
[05:45] <JohnnyMast> congrates LaserJock
[05:45] <JohnnyMast> very god
[05:45] <LaserJock> JohnnyMast: thanks
[05:45] <JohnnyMast> *good lol
[05:45] <JohnnyMast> :)
[05:47] <JohnnyMast> ok back to work ...
[05:47] <JohnnyMast> lol im getting comercials about my own own ftpd
[05:48] <Kyral> where is the Meeting Log?
[05:48] <zakame> Kyral: at fabbione's
[05:48] <zakame> http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/ubuntu-meeting-current.html iirc
[05:49] <Kyral> That should be on the Community Council Page ;P
[05:49] <JohnnyMast> brb coffie
[05:53] <Kyral> I really really hate this Forums issue
[05:54] <jsgotangco> :)
[05:54] <jsgotangco> interesting discussion going on indeed
[05:54] <Kyral> People have to stuff their pride
[05:54] <zakame> hm it has gone too long
[05:54] <JohnnyMast> and i dont like overfull irc rooms like #ubuntu
[05:54] <JohnnyMast> its just to much
[05:55] <jsgotangco> zakame, its a different story now
[05:55] <jsgotangco> ubuntugeek started trolling in -meeting just now
[05:55] <Kyral> I know
[05:55] <Kyral> I may have provoked that
[05:55] <Kyral> I got into a "debate" with a Forums Mod in the Forums Channel
[05:56] <zakame> jsgotangco: what? just after it ended?
[05:57] <jsgotangco> zakame, no use going in now, he just went silent :)
[05:57] <zakame> grrr
[05:57] <jsgotangco> just check th elogs later :)
[05:57] <jsgotangco> i'm going to sleep
[05:58] <JohnnyMast> sleep well jsgotangco
[05:58] <zakame> now that Kamion mentioned social I'm into socsci mode :)
[05:58] <zakame> good dreams on jsgotangco
[05:59] <JohnnyMast> zakeme i have a question, if you do a merge do you have to build the debian package or can you do debdiff against its dsc ?
[06:02] <zakame> JohnnyMast: you would do best to test the merge first by building the package, then after that you can debdiff :)
[06:02] <JohnnyMast> im reading Reinhards email
[06:02] <JohnnyMast> both of the packages right ?
[06:04] <zakame> JohnnyMast: build Debian's to see if you can sync, if not then apply the previous Ubuntu changes (and yours if need be), the update the changelog accordingly and build your newly merged version
[06:06] <JohnnyMast> ok thats usefull information
[06:07] <zakame> YAY!!! lucene got ACCEPTED!
[06:07] <zakame> er but it failed on the buildLogs :(
[06:08] <JohnnyMast> :)
[06:10] <zakame> hm, it seems to call jikes, but it shouldn't :/
[06:23] <thierry_> if I fix an unmet dep, do I send a patch to malone, or do I rebuild and send the .deb somewhere?
[06:25] <zakame> just post the debdiff containing the fix to the relevant bug, and ping a MOTU
[06:25] <zakame> :)
[06:28] <thierry_> zakame : are you a MOTU ;)
[06:28] <thierry_> ?
[06:28] <zakame> yup
[06:29] <thierry_> k, going to create the bug...
[06:30] <zakame> thierry_: ok, I'll check it tomorrow, 'tis 1:30 am here :D
[06:31] <thierry_> zakame : https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/xmule/+bug/5432
[06:31] <Ubugtu> Malone bug #5432: [PATCH]  xmule unmet dep In: xmule (Ubuntu), Severity: Normal, Assigned to: Nobody, Status: New https://launchpad.net/bugs/5432
[06:32] <thierry_> or any other MOTU intesrested in checking this bug?
[06:36] <thierry_> ajmitch : are you a MOTU?
[06:38] <Kyral> oy I have been recruited to make custom AFS packages for my school
[06:39] <zakame> Kyral: woot
[06:39] <Kyral> lol
[06:39] <Kyral> so I'm a member. Now what lol
[06:40] <slomo> Kyral: congrats :)
[06:40] <slomo> thierry_: he is
[06:40] <Kyral> don't I get a new addy or something...
[06:41] <zakame> you will, just wait ;)
[06:42] <Kyral> lol
[06:42] <slomo> Kyral: $launchpad-id@ubuntu.com
[06:42] <Kyral> Impatient I am now, energy I have :P
[06:43] <Kyral> yah but does it have POP access ;p
[06:43] <zakame> good early morning all! later! :D
[06:43] <slomo> Kyral: nope... it forwards to your main launchpad email address
[06:43] <Kyral> ah
[06:44] <Kyral> so I have to set Reply To
[06:44] <slomo> or use a relay
[06:44] <Kyral> ???
[06:45] <Kyral> whats a relay?
[06:46] <zakame> er smtp relay?
[06:46] <siretart> thierry_: which version of xmule did you test?
[06:46] <Kyral> yah wazzat?
[06:46] <siretart> thierry_: I uploaded xmule on sunday, which should have this unmet dep fixed
[06:51] <odla> i am curious if you guys know when flight-2 is schedule to be released?
[06:52] <Amaranth> odla: I'm guessing when the kernels work again and everything in the ship seed is installable.
[06:53] <siretart> odla: Kamion is working hard on it. it depends on his progress to fix the installer for new udev and kernel 2.6.15
[06:54] <siretart> odla: he mentioned last week that we will try do get it ready this thursday, but honestly, I'd rather bet on next week thursday
[06:57] <odla> thanks everyone
[07:11] <thierry_> sirestart : it was 1.10.0b-1ubuntu1 ... and there was this in the list (wich is updated daily) Package xmule version 1.10.0b-1ubuntu1 has an unmet dep:
[07:11] <thierry_>  Depends: libcrypto++5.2c2
[07:11] <thierry_> siretart
[07:14] <thierry_> so we forget about this?
[07:16] <thierry_> siretart : is there any other way than rebuilding the package to know if the unmet dep has been fixed? I mean, couldn't we just update the list?
[07:31] <lamont> lablgl_1.01-4ubuntu1 build-depends: ocaml-3.08.3 which no longer exists.  please fix that. kthxbye
[07:39] <thierry_> I get this dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: scons libqt3-mt-dev libsigc++-1.2-dev libjack0.80.0-dev
[07:39] <thierry_>  but they are in the control file? what's wrong?
[07:45] <dholbach> do you have them installed?
[07:46] <thierry_> dholbach: well I think that no... I just want to see what's the unmet deps needed by this package...
[07:46] <dholbach> that's on your box
[07:47] <dholbach> if you install the packages, the message will go away
[07:48] <thierry_> dholbach : would it be safer to simply pbuilder build it ?
[07:48] <dholbach> safer in what way?
[07:49] <thierry_> forget it that's ok... but what should I do if the package just need a rebuild... ?
[07:49] <thierry_> for this https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UniverseUnmetDeps
[07:49] <dholbach> look if we can do a merge or something useful before uploading a "no change" upload :)
[08:25] <Kyral> ajmitch_: You use Irssi right?
[08:27] <ajmitch_> yes
[08:28] <Kyral> hmm I have a small idea to create a script that would allow you to control Apt from Irssi
[08:29] <ajmitch_> why would you want to?
[08:30] <Kyral> Because I'm too lazy sometimes to open a new terminal
[08:30] <LaserJock> Kyral: lol, put it in motu-tools *g* we also need a motu-tools emacs mode ;-)
[08:30] <ajmitch_> that's what screen is for
[08:30] <Kyral> also the primary idea was to be able to search the cache and display the results in the channel
[08:30] <ajmitch_> searching might get too many results
[08:30] <Kyral> of course I'd build in limits
[08:31] <Kyral> or instead of the normal format it would parse the output into something like a comma delimited list
[08:31] <jamessan|work> Kyral: /exec -o
[08:32] <jamessan|work> oh
[08:32] <jamessan|work> yeah, that'd be nicer
[08:32] <ajmitch_> sigh, f-spot bugs
[08:33] <Kyral> I'm just wondering if there is enough interest for me to do it
[08:34] <jamessan|work> you're interested, right?  that's enough  ;)
[08:34] <Kyral> lol I meant to put it into a package :P
[08:34] <jamessan|work> oh
[08:34] <Kyral> Like enough to add it into the irssi-scripts package
[08:34] <jamessan|work> *shrug*
[08:35] <Kyral> Oh ajmitch_ the MOTUSchool is going to be at 1100 UTC?
[08:35] <ajmitch_> not fixed yet
[08:35] <Kyral> okay....because thats 5 AM for me ;P
[08:35] <ajmitch_> and I suggested 1000 UTC
[08:35] <ajmitch_> no kidding
[08:36] <ajmitch_> the only other time I might suggest is 1800 UTC
[08:36] <ajmitch_> ie, 7AM for me
[08:36] <ajmitch_> I would need caffiene injections
[08:36] <Kyral> 1 PM.....I could do that...
[08:37] <Amaranth> Kyral: Can you email me that log?
[08:37] <Amaranth> Kyral: alleykat@gmail.com
[08:37] <Kyral> from?
[08:37] <Amaranth> the one you mentioned in the meeting
[08:37] <Amaranth> forums related
[08:37] <Kyral> lemme find it
[08:37] <ajmitch_> 1800 UTC might be inconvenient for people in australia
[08:37] <Kyral> I dunno if I have it on this computer
[08:37] <ajmitch_> of which there are a few
[08:38] <Kyral> ajmitch_: anytime after oh....1500 UTC is good for me
[08:38] <JohnnyMast> guys we might get a logo competition
[08:38] <ajmitch_> I have to be awake though :P
[08:38] <JohnnyMast> check out my post: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=549663#post549663
[08:39] <ajmitch_> morning \sh
[08:39] <Kyral> I hate timezones...
[08:40] <\sh> JohnnyMast: please post this on ubuntu-motu ml...
[08:40] <\sh> JohnnyMast: most of the devs are not reading the forums
[08:40] <\sh> hey ajmitch
[08:40] <Kyral> Gah I could use beagle now
[08:40] <JohnnyMast> well, this was artwork-talk for hopefulls
[08:41] <Kyral> Amaranth: its on my desktop in my room
[08:41] <JohnnyMast> besdes
[08:41] <JohnnyMast> it was on the ML already
[08:45] <Kyral> Amaranth: I guess I don't have the log
[08:46] <Kyral> of that fight
[08:46] <Kyral> I must have not had logging in Irssi turned on
[08:47] <Kyral> Sorry
[08:48] <ajmitch_> Kyral: btw congrats on membership
[08:48] <JohnnyMast> was there a fight ?
[08:48] <Kyral> ty ajmitch_
[08:48] <ajmitch_> now get working to get to MOTU :)
[08:49] <Kyral> Yessir!
[08:49] <LaserJock> yeah, I wonder if I will ever be a MOTU, I just don't know if I know enough about programming
[08:50] <JohnnyMast> lol i didnt know ubuntu had a womans page
[08:51] <ajmitch_> hey dholbach
[08:51] <ajmitch_> LaserJock: we need to know programming?
[08:51] <ajmitch_> hm, I'd better start learning ;)
[08:51] <dholbach> hey ajmitch
[08:52] <ajmitch_> good to see StevenK approved as well based on debian work
[08:54] <LaserJock> ajmitch: well, I'm frustrated because I think I have a pretty good handle on the actual packaging part, but I am almost usless as a bug fixer (other than getting on upstream ;-) )
[09:04] <ajmitch_> LaserJock: oh, so are some of the rest of us ;)
[09:04] <LaserJock> ajmitch_: maybe.
[09:04] <LaserJock> I'm just glad I was able to become a member
[09:05] <ajmitch_> ah you did as well?
[09:05] <ajmitch_> well done
[09:05] <LaserJock> heck yeah ;-)
[09:05] <Kyral> Yah we rock :D
[09:06] <\sh> JohnnyMast: I'm in contact with the girl who created it...you will be surprised :) she's awesome
[09:06] <JohnnyMast> my girl is a unix chick
[09:06] <JohnnyMast> always wanted to date a developer
[09:06] <JohnnyMast> *YeeeY im blessed*
[09:07] <Kyral> lol
[09:07] <\sh> JohnnyMast: and now she is stucked with you ;)
[09:07] <JohnnyMast> yes and im here developer
[09:07] <\sh> joking :)
[09:07] <JohnnyMast> and we are thinking of developing kids
[09:07] <JohnnyMast> :p
[09:07] <ajmitch_> hah
[09:08] <\sh> no..my next woman shouldn't have to do anything with a computer...she needs to be a wonderful, lovely mother and cook :)
[09:08] <JohnnyMast> who says mine cant
[09:08] <JohnnyMast> hehe
[09:13] <JohnnyMast> hmm hey lads, i found something interesting to fill the wiki`s with
[09:13] <JohnnyMast> (about packaging)
[09:13] <JohnnyMast> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=51003&highlight=checkinstall
[09:14] <Kyral> JohnnyMast: CheckInstall is evil
[09:14] <ajmitch> please, don't even *think* about suggesting checkinstall :)
[09:15] <JohnnyMast> ile code an own bashy for the building of new packages
[09:15] <Kyral> yah you deserve to be smacked!
[09:15] <JohnnyMast> come and get me :)
[09:15] <JohnnyMast> it can be realy usefull
[09:16] <JohnnyMast> eek!
[09:16] <JohnnyMast> ule see
[09:16] <JohnnyMast> ile include it in my packing page
[09:16] <Kyral> and it will knock your reputation to hell
[09:17] <ajmitch> Kyral: the url he pasted doesn't actually mention checkinstall on the 1st post
[09:17] <ajmitch> it's just a guide to using dh_mnake
[09:17] <Kyral> oh lol
[09:17] <ajmitch> dh_make, that is
[09:17] <Kyral> overreaction sorry
[09:17] <ajmitch> checkinstall is still not good
[09:18] <JohnnyMast> why because things gets auto mated and it gets easyer ?
[09:19] <Kyral> Because CheckInstall is a hack
[09:19] <Kyral> No make clean debs
[09:20] <ogra> because it omits all dependencys, isnt compliant to any standard and eats your children ...
[09:20] <JohnnyMast> no i didnt mention checkinstall ppl
[09:20] <Kyral> God kills a puppy everytime you use CheckInstall
[09:21] <JohnnyMast> haha
[09:21] <\sh> OH NO...NO PUPPIES PLS
[09:21] <JohnnyMast> ile call my automated script newpull
[09:22] <Kyral> People should learn how to do it the right way
[09:22] <JohnnyMast> yes but its not for them
[09:23] <JohnnyMast> its for ppl who already know
[09:23] <\sh> god is not killing anybody...
[09:23] <Kyral> thats for doing the "other" thing ;P
[09:23] <odla> Kyral: the 'm' word?
[09:23] <Kyral> odla: indeed :P
[09:25] <odla> are there less cdrom drivers on the current builds than flight-1 cd?
[09:25] <odla> because the current build didn't recognize my cdrom
[09:25] <ogra> define current ... daily ?
[09:25] <odla> ogra: yes daily
[09:26] <odla> ogra: yesterday's daily
[09:26] <ogra> thats fairly broken ...
[09:26] <ogra> wait for flight 2
[09:26] <ogra> will come end of the week
[09:26] <odla> ogra: i was just going to install flight 1 and update it
[09:26] <ogra> or this way ...
[09:26] <ogra> the herdware detection is completely changed ... the installer doesnt reflect all changes yet
[09:27] <\sh> "the herdware"? since when is a "gentoo dev group aka herd" a "ware"?
[09:28] <odla> oh. it asks me to load my cdrom driver...so is the driver actually there?  i am running a dell inspiron 1100
[09:28] <ogra> i'm just supporting a german gentoo guy in #ltsp :)
[09:28] <ogra> teaching him bzr ...
[09:28] <ogra> he wants to make an ebuild of student-control-panel ... i told him e's only allowed to do it with bzr *g*
[09:29] <\sh> ogra: who?
[09:29] <herve> hello
[09:29] <ogra> \sh, aep
[09:30] <ajmitch> hi herve
[09:35] <Kyral> ...I think I'm beginning to hate the Forums...
[09:36] <ajmitch> I always have
[09:36] <Kyral> they stand in support of the PLF repos when I have pointed out exactly why they break machines
[09:37] <Sepheebear> plf repos?
[09:37] <herve> it's mandriva specific anyway, no?
[09:37] <Kyral> Think the new incarnation of Marilarrat
[09:38] <Sepheebear> gosh ppl will suffer any consequence just to not have to compile or package themselves
[09:38] <Kyral> Thats my objection to Automatrix
[09:38] <Kyral> and its time for me to solve it
[09:39] <ajmitch> your only objection?
[09:39] <Kyral> the biggest one
[09:39] <\sh> Riddell: ping
[09:40] <Riddell> \sh: hi
[09:41] <\sh> Riddell: please check malone for digikam...it was on libstdc++ new allocator list :) can I close it?
[09:42] <Riddell> \sh: depends if digikam has compiled or not
[09:42] <dholbach> good night
[09:42] <Riddell> not yet I note
[09:42] <herve> night dholbach
[09:42] <dholbach> bonne nuit, herve
[09:42] <herve> :)
[09:43] <\sh> Riddell: ok...i'll have a look...konserve I requested a sync yesterday.....I will adjust it towards .pot generation after sync...
[09:43] <Amaranth> *sigh*
[09:43] <Amaranth> I think the forums issue has blow up a bit.
[09:43] <Amaranth> err, blown
[09:44] <Riddell> \sh: I can't get showimg to compile.  current version doesn't like new kexif and rc2 version has linking errors
[09:44] <Kyral> WTF they banned me
[09:44] <Amaranth> kingbahamut is "ordering" channel ops to ban people
[09:44] <Kyral> grr...
[09:45] <\sh> Riddell: merghe?
[09:45] <Kyral> Calm down Chris, Calm down....
[09:45] <ajmitch> Kyral: from the forums as a whole?
[09:45] <Riddell> \sh: yeah
[09:45] <Kyral> ajmitch: I haven't checked my account yet
[09:46] <Kyral> no I'm still active in the website
[09:46] <\sh> Riddell: url..I don't find it in bugzilla or on our list..
[09:46] <ajmitch> Kyral: then there's nothing to worry about :)
[09:46] <ajmitch> where have you been banned from on the forums?
[09:46] <Kyral> the channel
[09:46] <ajmitch> oh
[09:46] <ajmitch> just irc?
[09:47] <Kyral> yah, but still bans are a big deal to me
[09:47] <Kyral> kicks are okay
[09:47] <Riddell> \sh: no URL (but it needs to recompile against new libkipi)
[09:47] <Kyral> bans on the other hand...
[09:47] <\sh> ah
[09:47] <ajmitch> sure, if I were banned from -devel, I'd care
[09:47] <ajmitch> maybe even if I were banned from -motu
[09:47] <ajmitch> I'd probably get more work done though :)
[09:48] <Kyral> ajmitch: I used the Forums as most of my support
[09:48] <\sh> Riddell: showimg 0.9.4.1-3 then
[09:48] <Kyral> Sorry guys :D
[09:49] <Kyral> I'm laid back until someone pushes me on an issue I care about
[09:49] <Riddell> \sh: yeah, it doesn't like new kipi, expects a header which isn't there
[09:49] <\sh> Riddell: lemme check
[09:50] <\sh> Riddell: ping amu for ppc errors...and he would like to help to fix serious bugs in kde...
[09:50] <herve> Kyral, you want occupation? :-)
[09:52] <\sh> and I hope a sempron64 will compile 32bit sources at least twice as fast as my nc6000 :)
[09:52] <ajmitch> \sh: sigh, can you get me one? :)
[09:53] <\sh> ajmitch: 450euros
[09:53] <ajmitch> fairly cheap
[09:53] <ajmitch> shipping would probably be just as much
[09:53] <\sh> ajmitch: including german tax...excluding shipping costs and NZ customers
[09:53] <\sh> customs even
[09:53] <herve> \sh, assembled or from a manufacturer?
[09:54] <\sh> herve: assembled :)
[09:54] <herve> ok, I understand the price :-)
[09:54] <ajmitch> it'd be within my price range, but it'd set me back a fair bit
[09:54] <ajmitch> 2x250GB SATA, 2x17" LCD panels, 2GB RAM..
[09:55] <\sh> herve: well it's only a 1.6GHz one..but at least an amd64 :)
[09:55] <ogra> 1.6Ghz is plenty
[09:55] <herve> how many fps? ;-)
[09:56] <\sh> herve: hehe....nvidia 5200
[09:56] <\sh> 128MB
[09:56] <\sh> but without a monitor quite useless :)
[09:56] <\sh> and without windows :)
[09:56] <herve> it deserved a 20" at least!
[09:56] <herve> what for anyway!
[09:56] <\sh> -ENOMONEY
[09:57] <ajmitch> \sh: what are job prospects looking like?
[09:57] <herve> you have yourself be offered for christmas :-)
[09:57] <ajmitch> have you been laid off at your job?
[09:57] <\sh> herve: well...yes...but I need as well money for s o n :)
[09:58] <\sh> ajmitch: it looks like that I have to leave my job soon...and even if I'm not forced to go...I want to go
[09:58] <ajmitch> ok
[09:58] <ajmitch> you're the last of the 'old guard' now? :)
[09:58] <\sh> old guard?
[09:59] <herve> old school :-)
[09:59] <\sh> i'm actually the last linux addict there..since ogra left
[09:59] <ajmitch> yeah, time to move on
[10:00] <ajmitch> if you don't get a job at canonical I know I've got *no* chance ;)
[10:01] <herve> canonical or the foundation?
[10:02] <ajmitch> either
[10:02] <\sh> ajmitch: again..I didn't apply, but mark has my cv..that's all...what they do with it...I don't mind...I want a nice job..that's all
[10:02] <ajmitch> I don't know who the foundation has hired
[10:02] <\sh> canonical even...
[10:03] <ajmitch> Amaranth: the forums channel seems to be a simmering puddle of egos & hating ;)
[10:03] <ajmitch> looks like a waste of time
[10:03] <Amaranth> ajmitch: Yeah, I joined trying to find out the reasoning behind recent decisions, kind of got sucked in.
[10:04] <ajmitch> it's amazing how much friendlier the motu channel is :)
[10:05] <ajmitch> perhaps it's because we're all trying to actually do something & get visible results
[10:05] <herve> I can tell!
[10:05] <Kyral> lol
[10:05] <Kyral> yah I love you guys
[10:07] <ajmitch> ah, more hugs
[10:07] <ajmitch> look what dholbach has started
[10:08] <herve> I don't imagine on #ubuntu-love!
[10:09] <\sh> good to know that there is no ubuntu motu fck day :) think about what this will be ;)
[10:09] <Kyral> lol
[10:09] <ajmitch> bad \sh
[10:09] <\sh> hehe
[10:09] <Kyral> \sh: I don't swing that way sorry ;P
[10:09] <\sh> i forgot the "s" in fck :)
[10:09] <Kyral> lol
[10:09] <\sh> sorry..
[10:10] <Kyral> what we all umount our drives and see who's fsck finishes first?
[10:10] <\sh> Kyral: why not :)
[10:10] <ajmitch> sure..
[10:10] <herve> mine's bigger ;-)
[10:10] <Kyral> lol
[10:11] <ajmitch> for some reason
[10:11] <\sh> herve: there is no evidence :)
[10:12] <\sh> herve: but you are a french guy...so I believe you :)
[10:12] <herve> hu? what about french hard disks?
[10:12] <herve> ;-)
[10:13] <\sh> herve: they are bigger...you said it ;)
[10:14] <Kyral> I have a 300 GB IDE
[10:14] <\sh> mine is only 20MB but 8" ,)
[10:14] <ajmitch> enough of the disk-waving contests thanks
[10:14] <Kyral> lol
[10:14] <Kyral> I o/c my AthlonXP to 2.3 up from 2.1
[10:15] <ajmitch> wow, u r so 1337 ;)
[10:15] <ajmitch> morning StevenK, well done
[10:15] <\sh> hey steven....:) congrats btw
[10:15] <StevenK> ajmitch, \sh: Thanks. :-)
[10:16] <StevenK> But now what happens? I just wait, and I'll get a mail telling me what happens next?
[10:16] <\sh> StevenK: so you will be a motu soon :)
[10:16] <\sh> StevenK: and then main :)
[10:16] <ajmitch> StevenK: no, you work harder than you've ever worked before
[10:17] <StevenK> I see \sh has big plans for me.
[10:17] <ajmitch> and you present yourself humbly at the TB meeting asking to be a MOTU
[10:17] <\sh> StevenK: and I heard you developed a package "test tool" ?
[10:17] <ajmitch> \sh: linda
[10:18] <Kyral> Seveas: stay put ;P
[10:18] <Seveas> ghe
[10:18] <Seveas> I'm feeding Ubugtu Ubotu's facts
[10:18] <Seveas> but I'm feeding too fast :)
[10:19] <ajmitch> ubotu died overnight?
[10:19] <\sh> StevenK: if ajmitch is right (sorry...I never look on the "Developers Name") ... then you are the right candidate for another lecture in "ubuntus motu school" :)
[10:19] <ajmitch> \sh: definitely, he's been a DD far longer than I have
[10:19] <ajmitch> he is the man to go to for any packaging questions
[10:20] <\sh> ajmitch: you do your lecture on the 10th :) at 17UTC :)
[10:20] <Kyral> noon EST
[10:20] <ajmitch> yay, lucky me
[10:21] <ajmitch> sorry for anyone living in australia
[10:23] <\sh> argl
[10:23] <StevenK> What about packaging by using mkdir, mv, tar and ar? :-P
[10:26] <TheMuso> \sh: You may have seen my post on the motu mailing list about package renaming, specifically libibtk0 being renamed to libibtk0c2. You were the one who made this change to the previous Ubuntu version that is currently in the archives, would you mind explaining why? If so, that would be great, thanks.
[10:27] <\sh> TheMuso: I think https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CxxLibraryList will explain this...it was a cxx transition for breezy
[10:28] <\sh> TheMuso: actually I wrote a mail on d-d which gives as well some pointers to dokos cxx transition plans during breezy and as well nowadays for dapper
[10:28] <\sh> (and for debian as well)
[10:29] <ajmitch> I see it wasn't renamed in debian, did it export a C++ interface?
[10:29] <chillywilly> you're giving an IRC lecture?
[10:29] <ajmitch> Amaranth: forums channel looks to be a grand waste of time
[10:29] <ajmitch> chillywilly: sadly
[10:30] <TheMuso> \sh: Thanks, wil have a look.
[10:30] <\sh> ajmitch: your ubuntu.com address is ajmitch
[10:30] <\sh> @ right?
[10:30] <Ubugtu> I have no idea, \sh.
[10:30] <\sh> Ubugtu: me neither, that's why i'm asking..thx
[10:30] <Ubugtu> Dunno!
[10:30] <\sh> hehee
[10:31] <\sh> Seveas: fix the parser :)
[10:31] <ajmitch> \sh: yes
[10:31] <ajmitch> \sh: looks to be c++ headers that get installed
[10:32] <\sh> ajmitch: most of the times...sometimes doko was wrong, so I was wrong
[10:32] <Kyral> Hey Seveas
[10:33] <Seveas> \sh, im trying to let ubugtu dupe as infobot
[10:33] <Kyral> lol
[10:34] <ajmitch> \sh: why do you need my ubuntu.com email address? :)
[10:34] <\sh> ajmitch: you will see :)
[10:34] <Kyral> actually when do those get setup
[10:34] <ajmitch> Kyral: they should just work, assuming you have signed the CoC
[10:34] <Kyral> ah
[10:34] <seth_k> Kyral, as soon as you're marked as a member in Launchpad
[10:35] <Kyral> so I should just try to email myself and see if it redirects?
[10:35] <seth_k> yep
[10:35] <seth_k> that's what I did
[10:35] <Kyral> okay
[10:35] <Kyral> cool....
[10:35] <seth_k> and upload new versions of your REVU packages
[10:35] <seth_k> using your @ubuntu address in changelog
[10:35] <Kyral> oyah
[10:35] <Kyral> I need to add it to my Key now :P
[10:35] <seth_k> yeah
[10:36] <seth_k> and then poke sire*tart (remove *) to update REVU's keyring
[10:36] <Kyral> its <launchpad>@ubuntu.com right?
[10:36] <seth_k> right
[10:36] <seth_k> like mine is seth@ubuntu.com
[10:36] <Kyral> so I would be petermcv@ubuntu.com
[10:37] <JohnnyMast> why not Kyral@ubuntu.com ?
[10:37] <Kyral> because my launchpad is petermcv
[10:37] <JohnnyMast> thats easyer for your MOTU buddy`s
[10:37] <JohnnyMast> aaah
[10:37] <JohnnyMast> kk
[10:37] <seth_k> Kyral, imo change your launchpad DI
[10:37] <seth_k> ID
[10:37] <seth_k> you can do that in Edit Details
[10:37] <Kyral> ah
[10:38] <ajmitch> \sh: you have mailed -motu?
[10:38] <JohnnyMast> then mine will be (when i ever become member) rave@ubuntu,com
[10:38] <\sh> ajmitch: I'm going to
[10:38] <seth_k> my launchpad ID was seth-sethkinast
[10:38] <seth_k> but I mailed the guy who had seth
[10:38] <seth_k> and begged him to change :P
[10:38] <Kyral> I need to ping Seveas to get my hostmask active (forget that I don't know the command to turn it on ;p)
[10:38] <\sh> ajmitch: since when are you motu and dd?
[10:39] <seth_k> you don't turn it on / off
[10:39] <Kyral> eh?
[10:39] <seth_k> NickServ just sets it methinks
[10:39] <ajmitch> \sh: feburary or so?
[10:39] <seth_k> but it takes 3+ days to activate
[10:39] <\sh> ajmitch: 2005?
[10:39] <Kyral> ah
[10:39] <ajmitch> might have been january
[10:39] <ajmitch> yeah
[10:39] <Kyral> ah ah
[10:41] <ajmitch> \sh: I hope you're not writing up stuff about me
[10:41] <ajmitch> I'd have to do something then
[10:43] <\sh> ajmitch:
[10:43] <\sh> About Andrew Mitchell:
[10:43] <\sh> Andrew is Debian Developer and MOTU since January 2005. Actually to become a Debian Developer (abbrev.: DD) you will start as "Padawan", so you learn packaging from the ground. To speak of a "Master of the Universe" (abbrev.: MOTU) he is one of our heros in several transitions and merge runs. He knows what he is doing and is always very sensible to do no mistakes in his packages.
[10:43] <\sh> His opinions and views are appreciated all over the MOTUs.
[10:43] <ajmitch> no mistakes?!?
[10:43] <ajmitch> haha
[10:43] <\sh> ajmitch: it's PR :)
[10:44] <\sh> ajmitch: don't complain :)
[10:44] <sivang> \sh: what are you writing this for? :)
[10:44] <\sh> sivang: wait..and read -motu, fridge, -devel, -users
[10:45] <sivang> \sh: am I there?
[10:45] <ajmitch> sivang: you can do it if you want!
[10:45] <sivang> ajmitch: you mean, write the next motu report?
[10:45] <sivang> :-)
[10:45] <ajmitch> no
[10:46] <ajmitch> he's not writing a motu report
[10:47] <sivang> ajmitch: then what *is* he writing? ,)
[10:48] <\sh> _THE_ annoucement
[10:48] <\sh> announcement even
[10:50] <sivang> ah
[10:50] <sivang> the announcment about motu-school!
[10:50] <sivang> MOUHHAHA
[10:50] <sivang> world domination, here we come
[10:51] <JohnnyMast> lol
[10:51] <sivang> \sh: me LIKE linkedIn. and jane and cory are already linked to you
[10:51] <\sh> DONE
[10:51] <\sh> sivang: jepp
[10:51] <\sh> hah
[10:51] <\sh> I'm so proud to have ajmitch speaking :)
[10:52] <sivang> I really look forward to his "pkg from scratch" lecture
[10:52] <ajmitch> \sh: I'm not :P
[10:52] <\sh> ajmitch: thx for your work...don't forget a nice presentation :) It's appreaciated :)
[10:53] <ajmitch> sigh
[10:53] <ajmitch> I'll be preparing all day saturday :)
[10:53] <\sh> strike..it's there
[10:53] <slomo> poor ajmitch ;)
[10:53] <sivang> hehe
[10:53] <ajmitch> slomo: you should be doing this, not me
[10:53] <ajmitch> you're a main uploader now
[10:55] <slomo> you too... but additionally you're a DD :P but this lecture will be something i want to hear too because i never created a package without debhelper
[10:55] <\sh> ajmitch: and..? do you like it?
[10:55] <ajmitch> slomo: one can become a DD with a frightening lack of knowledge ;)
[10:56] <\sh> ajmitch: well...I put it on the planet as well :)
[10:56] <slomo> ajmitch: yes, like marillat... i had again one package today where he made _everything_ wrong while updating to new upstream...
[10:56] <\sh> to reach a wider audience
[10:57] <ajmitch> \sh is out to get me ;)
[10:57] <sivang> have to hit bed now
[10:57] <\sh> ajmitch: thx to kyral...without him...I wouldn't have this idea...
[10:57] <\sh> ajmitch: kill him not the messenger :)
[10:58] <ajmitch> Who: Andrew Mitchell __at___ ubuntu dot com>
[10:58] <ajmitch> huh?
[10:58] <\sh> argl..HTML sucks
[10:58] <ajmitch> yeah, the layout on your blog looks very ugly
[10:59] <ajmitch> line breaks in all the wrong places :)
[10:59] <\sh> ajmitch: it's c'n
[10:59] <\sh> 'p
[10:59] <sivang> good night guys! I have to get up early tomorrow :-/
[10:59] <ajmitch> I know
[10:59] <ajmitch> night sivang
[10:59] <slomo> gn8 sivang
[10:59] <\sh> ajmitch: and I won't change it now
[11:00] <\sh> only the mail address
[11:00] <slomo> hm, it's fine here
[11:00] <slomo> (the mail address)
[11:00] <\sh> cu sivang
[11:00] <\sh> slomo: now :) i fixed it
[11:01] <slomo> oh i thought you meant the mail ;)
[11:01] <slomo> nm
[11:01] <\sh> slomo: oh...no..the blog entru
[11:01] <\sh> entry
[11:02] <\sh> sivang: you are welcome :)
[11:03] <\sh> ajmitch: it's not to bad, isn't it?
[11:04] <\sh> too even
[11:06] <ajmitch> nah
[11:06] <ajmitch> I'm just worried that I don't know enough ;)
[11:10] <seth_k> Kyral, ping
[11:10] <Kyral> PONG!
[11:10] <seth_k> are you banned from ubuntuforums yet
[11:10] <seth_k> I just got banned
[11:11] <Kyral> yup
[11:11] <herve> good night!
[11:11] <ajmitch> from the channel or the forums proper?
[11:11] <seth_k> forums proper
[11:11] <ajmitch> aha
[11:11] <ajmitch> lucky you
[11:11] <Kyral> oh
[11:11] <Kyral> I am banned from channel
[11:11] <seth_k> oh
[11:11] <JohnnyMast> LaserJock are you here ?
[11:12] <JohnnyMast> LaserJock, ping
[11:12] <seth_k> ajmitch, wise choice :P the forums are insane, and run by insane admins. however, new users are much more likely to use forums than IRC, so it's important to take care of them :(
[11:12] <seth_k> Kyral, please check wiki/CommunityCouncilAgenda and add your name under mine, about the banned part
[11:12] <Kyral> I'm still allowed into the Forums themselves
[11:12] <Kyral> I'm just banned from the channel ATM
[11:12] <seth_k> what did you do to make them angry
[11:12] <Kyral> Opposed Arnieboy it seems
[11:13] <seth_k> yeah, same here
[11:13] <seth_k> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=99866
[11:13] <seth_k> where is anything that I said in that thread offensive :P
[11:13] <seth_k> it's 100% the truth
[11:14] <LaserJock> JohnnyMast: yeah?
[11:14] <Kyral> I haven't posted in there
[11:14] <Kyral> because I know if I do it will be a flamefest
[11:14] <Kyral> I am restraining myself :D
[11:15] <seth_k> you missed your chance
[11:15] <seth_k> locked now
[11:15] <seth_k> but I sure as shooting am not going to back down on this one, and I would like my account back to boot, it had hundreds of posts and was one of the main factors in my gaining Membership
[11:16] <Kyral> As is mine
[11:16] <Kyral> which is why I'm not going off
[11:17] <seth_k> haha
[11:17] <Kyral> ty Seveas for getting the cloak up
[11:17] <Kyral> ajmitch: for?
[11:18] <LaserJock> JohnnyMast: did you need something? I gotta get to a meeting
[11:18] <JohnnyMast> ow well then we save what i wanted to ask
[11:18] <JohnnyMast> its not important
[11:19] <Kyral> okay time to link nicks
[11:20] <LaserJock> JohnnyMast: go for it
[11:20] <JohnnyMast> i wanted to ask if you wanted to help on my wiki on merging
[11:20] <JohnnyMast> if you have time
[11:20] <LaserJock> JohnnyMast: what is the url?
[11:21] <JohnnyMast> hold on
[11:21] <Kyral> done :D
[11:21] <JohnnyMast> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Merging
[11:21] <Kyral> linked!
[11:21] <Kyral> How many nicks can I link anyway?
[11:22] <LaserJock> JohnnyMast: ok, cool. I will look at it tonight
[11:23] <JohnnyMast> LaserJock your the man
[11:23] <JohnnyMast> thanks :)
[11:24] <JohnnyMast_AFK> sleep well ppl
[11:24] <Kyral> seth_k|away: dangit :P
[11:24] <Kyral> To change my Launchpad ID I change Name?
[12:01] <minghua> crap.  after the libstdc++ allocator transition scim is starting to crash gaim