=== hunger [n=hunger@p54A64252.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:06] sorush20: ? [12:06] http://www.path.unimelb.edu.au/~dersch/ [12:06] sorry got carried away [12:09] LaserJock: did you take a look? [12:10] sorush20: hmm, I'm no expert here. It would need to work with a open JVM not Sun's to get in Universe. [12:11] LaserJock: where could it go into how would you go about getting it being available on the ubuntu distros? [12:12] sorush20: well you can try putting it on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UniverseCandidates === tseng finds it odd that there are no dapper changes today [12:12] did i miss some? [12:13] tseng: there we some, not many though === mmtb [n=mmtb@dxl165.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:13] LaserJock: I know next to nothing about programming [12:15] oh that would do it [12:15] thunderbird sorts mail retardedly === StoneTab1e is now known as StoneTable [12:18] sorush20: so you want PTViewer right? [12:19] LaserJock: I don't really know which one it is but I think they could all be provided on one utils package! === bipolar [n=bipolar@66.216.151.2.dynamic.dejazzd.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:21] sorush20: I think maybe PTViewer on http://webuser.fh-furtwangen.de/%7Edersch/ is what you want [12:21] not the viewer the editor too PTEditor.jar http://www.path.unimelb.edu.au/~dersch/pted/pteditor.html === doko_ [n=doko@dslb-084-059-078-133.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:22] http://www.path.unimelb.edu.au/~dersch/pted/pteditor.html [12:24] hmm, latest moin has a *shiver* GUI editor [12:24] I hope ubuntu wiki will not use that :) [12:26] sorush20: that page is outdated. I think the http://webuser.fh-furtwangen.de/~dersch/ is the one you want === bmonty [n=bmontgom@wsip-68-15-230-31.om.om.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:40] hi bmonty [12:40] azeem: ajmitch: I've sent in the opensync ITP === Arrogance [n=aks@ottawa-hs-209-217-83-8.d-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === azeem_ [n=mbanck@host109.natpool.mwn.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mmtb [n=mmtb@dxs158.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tvelocity [n=tony@ipa216.4.tellas.gr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:00] is `Section: universe/net' good ? or should it be `Section : net' instead? [01:00] Section: net [01:00] thanks :) [01:05] ajmitch: So, can you request a sync of libapache-mod-musicindex? === warren_ [n=warren@auproxy1.proxy.lucent.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:05] StevenK: done. [01:05] tseng: Thanks. [01:05] ajmitch: done. [01:06] ajmitch: re libapache [01:06] ah === sorush20 [n=sorush3@82-43-184-143.cable.ubr07.newm.blueyonder.co.uk] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [01:07] StevenK: see, it's often good to ask others :) [01:07] ajmitch: Bleh. [01:07] :-) [01:07] Hopefully, after this CC meeting, I can do it myself. [01:08] nope [01:08] TB meeting [01:09] So, I attend the CC meeting, but I need to wait for another meeting? === StevenK is confused - NewMember only mentions CC. [01:09] CC = membership [01:09] TB = maintainership [01:09] Ah [01:09] membership is non-technical [01:09] its just a recongnition of any form of contributor [01:09] So, after this CC meeting, I need to attend a TB meeting? [01:09] StevenK: right [01:09] unfortunately yet [01:09] yes* [01:10] StevenK: just be glad - it's not NM ;) [01:10] StevenK: normally the TB will check the technical knowledge about packaging of an applicant. As DD, there is no point in asking you that ;) [01:11] otherwise you need to look for someone to vouch for you [01:11] StevenK has a bit of a list on dapper-changes [01:11] im sure it will be no problem [01:11] sure [01:12] I deny any list on dapper-changes. [01:12] his list is longer than mine now, probably [01:12] :-P [01:12] mine and yours put together [01:12] at least until I throw up another 50 or so packages [01:12] we are on the ubuntu chopping block [01:12] yeah [01:12] "Worst Maintainers" [01:12] you reckon they'll kick us out for dereliction of duty? [01:13] nah, there is a 2 year timeout :P [01:13] i do something useful at least once a month [01:13] I try & help out [01:13] not like I've done much with main yet [01:14] thats what seb and dholbach are for [01:14] sure [01:14] speaking of, he wants me to pacakge Diva [01:14] lucky you [01:14] is it even released? [01:14] i wonder how many more *-sharp's that will get us === wj1 [n=Warren@auproxy1.proxy.lucent.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:15] doko wants me to do ironpython, which I did start [01:15] tiny bindings are getting old [01:15] since it at least compiles with 1.1.10 [01:15] hm it does something useful? [01:15] & runs [01:15] I haven't tried anything large yet [01:15] im not sure what his motivation for it is [01:15] just another python implementation [01:16] not sure if it'll be useful to many people [01:17] im not that excited by any "XYZ language ported to CIL" === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.38] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:18] not even php? [01:19] man, that would be awful [01:19] i had to work on php today [01:19] it was pain [01:20] I have to work on php every day [01:20] this was before i started switching things to templated [01:20] some of the worst code ive ever co-authored [01:20] beating myself bloody with ubuntu packaging is my form of stress release [01:21] mixing my code with non-programmers always makes a mess [01:21] i get sick of fixing their stuff and lower myself to their level [01:21] embrace the crack [01:24] raphink, ping [01:24] Seveas: yes? [01:25] - should contain the short version of the GPL Licence (see other packages) [01:25] I took this from an existing package [01:25] ok, sent a time suggestion to the list [01:25] hopefully I'll get a couple of replies [01:25] please point me to one with a correct debian/copyright :) [01:25] sure Seveas wait a min [01:26] Seveas: http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/450302 [01:27] I think the miss the second paragraph in your file Seveas [01:27] if I remember well [01:27] yup [01:28] ;) [01:29] thanks for the comments, new package has landed on revu :) === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@cpe-69-205-38-37.nycap.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:30] Seveas: good :) [01:30] btw, keyboardcast is cool :) [01:31] what does it do exactly? [01:31] do you know clusterssh? [01:32] siretart: still awake & sending out mails? :) === wj1 [n=Warren@auproxy1.proxy.lucent.com] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [01:33] nope [01:36] Seveas: not sure you took all my comments in consideration though from what I see ;) [01:37] I did [01:37] oh sorry Seveas I had forgotten to click on the new uplaoded version. Mea culpa ;) [01:37] ajmitch: you're right. I should get to bed now [01:37] hehe [01:37] its 1:30am here.. [01:37] gn8 folks [01:37] gn8 siretart [01:37] raphink, pfew, I though I screwed up with debuild/dput :) [01:37] I hope I did write something useful [01:37] hehe [01:38] siretart: it was ;) === wj1 [n=Warren@auproxy1.proxy.lucent.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.38] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:42] Seveas: is keyboardcast a gui app or a console one? [01:42] gui [01:42] Seveas: then you miss a .desktop file [01:42] true [01:43] you should add one [01:43] dh_make should generate one ;) [01:43] and mail it to upstream once it's done [01:43] hmm it doesn't so far Seveas ;) [01:44] http://blogs.gnome.org/view/ryanl/2005/12/04/0 [01:44] (info about keyboardcast) [01:45] wait a min [01:45] Seveas: where you able to install your package on dapper? [01:46] oh stupid me [01:46] nm === raphink should go to bed instead of trying to install dapper packages on his sister's breezy box... doh! [01:46] I am testing in a breezy pbuilder, dapper wouldn't work [01:47] but I thought revu does dapper? === bipolar [n=bipolar@66.216.151.7.dynamic.dejazzd.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:48] Seveas: I built the package in my dapper pbuilder without a pb [01:48] Seveas: of course, we should be doing it all on dapper [01:48] but then I can't install it on breezy ;) [01:48] raphink, I meant that pbuilder creat wouldn't work for dapper last time I tried it [01:48] Seveas: so dist-upgrade it [01:48] Seveas: when was last time you tried? [01:49] raphink, when something was broken :) [01:49] last week [01:49] hehe [01:49] Hmm, dist upgrading the pbuilder === Seveas looks at wiki [01:49] I'll build it on this breezy box to see [01:49] Seveas: pbuilder update === Lathiat2 [i=lathiat@gasp.bur.st] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:50] --override-config [01:50] hmm yes [01:50] if you changed your sources.list [01:51] and pbuilderrc [01:51] yes [01:51] well, it's trying now [01:51] trying keyboardcast [01:52] i can't seem to type in the `type here' field :( === minghua [n=minghua@danube.mems.rice.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:52] which is not very nice :( [01:52] you can [01:52] but all input is redirected [01:52] well I can't even remove the `type in here' thingy [01:53] and it's not redirected [01:53] you're not supposed to, the thing is just for grabbing keystrokes and multiplexing them to the windows you select [01:53] it just doesn't work i'm afraid [01:53] it's awesome for remote managing of several machines [01:53] oh it'snot for typing things really [01:53] no, read desrt's blog :) [01:53] oh ok [01:54] it works with shortcuts or so [01:54] :) [01:54] ok [01:54] I'll do taht, but not tonight [01:54] it's almost 2AM [01:54] bed time [01:54] hehem yeah here too [01:54] i'll wait until pbuilder did it's magic [01:54] if I want to get a beauty sleep and be wide awake for CC tomorrow :) [01:54] 50% downloaded [01:55] what time is the CC? [01:55] hehe [01:55] ;) [01:55] 14:00 [01:55] That'll be a tough one for me :( [01:55] yep [01:55] 14:00UTC [01:56] what time will that be for you? [01:56] 15:00 [01:56] but I'm at work then [01:57] :s [01:57] same time for me, but I won't be working [01:57] pbuilder is doing apt-magic now.... [01:58] k [01:58] pbuilder clean will clean out the old apt cache too, right? [01:58] it will rebuild the base.tgz [01:59] ah [01:59] I think I should do a pbuilder clean too then [01:59] why? [02:00] running low on diskspace :) [02:00] hehe [02:00] and having breezy and dapper debs in cache is stupid [02:00] ; [02:00] ok well [02:00] i'm off to bed [02:01] g'night [02:01] you can find examples of .desktop files in other gui apps packages ;) [02:01] gnight [02:03] JohnnyMast: ping [02:04] bmonty, he's probably asleep (2am here) [02:04] minghua: lmodern is synched [02:04] k [02:04] bmonty: you sent the request? thanks! [02:05] minghua: yeah, what was the other package that you wanted synched? [02:05] bmonty: and it's also built, great. I'll close the bug tonight when I'm back home. [02:05] bmonty: stardict [02:06] bmonty: malone bug #5191 [02:06] Malone bug #5191: stardict: merge new debian version In: stardict (Ubuntu), Severity: Normal, Assigned to: MOTU Merge Team, Status: New https://launchpad.net/bugs/5191 [02:06] k === mmtb [n=mmtb@dxr249.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tritium [n=tritium@ubuntu/member/tritium] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Kyral [n=kyral@sclab-166-10933.sclab.clarkson.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:14] heyas [02:14] hi Kyral === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:41] raphink|sleep, desktop file added (+corrected bug wrt patching) - now to find advocating MOTUs :) [02:42] which seems to be hard === SloMoSnail [n=slomo@p5487FDF3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === marcin [n=user@195.225.48.10] has joined #ubuntu-motu === LaserJock [n=LaserJoc@adsl-69-109-10-13.dsl.renocs.pacbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === dous [n=adpenara@203.131.155.130] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:21] thanks you guys for the dtailed reply on the mailing list [03:22] (about an other merge question) [03:22] anybody know the difference between dbs and cdbs? [03:23] yes [03:23] cdbs has an extra c [03:23] :p [03:23] (sorry) [03:24] JohnnyMast: that's ok, I would've probably done it too ;-) [03:24] hehe work cant be only working trough the numbers [03:25] yes, cdbs & dbs are quite different [03:25] Debian Build System (http://snoopy.apana.org.au/~bam/debian/faq/#dbs) vs. Common Debian Build System [03:26] thanks crimsun [03:26] JohnnyMast: I was wondering what you were planning to do with Malone #4387 ? [03:26] Error: Could not parse XML returned by Malone bugzilla: Connection to Malone bugzilla failed: HTTP Error 404: Not Found === cold [n=cold@as5300-0.216-194-5-168.nyc.ny.metconnect.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:26] wich one is that bmonty [03:26] it is basically merged, just waiting for the 64-bit arches to build it [03:27] bayonne [03:27] well there are packages i got stuck with [03:27] right, why is it assigned to JohnnyMast ? [03:27] you got stuck with? [03:27] how so? [03:28] it didnt build @ all [03:28] not even on bebian with all depps on the right place [03:28] JohnnyMast: it has built on everything but ia64 and amd64 [03:28] you're not duplicating others' work, are you? [03:28] hula ? [03:29] hmm no [03:29] in fact [03:29] JohnnyMast: the package is bayonne, Malone #4387 [03:29] Error: Could not parse XML returned by Malone bugzilla: Connection to Malone bugzilla failed: HTTP Error 404: Not Found [03:29] not one merge succeded yet [03:29] thats not assigned to me [03:29] JohnnyMast: it's listed as assigned to you [03:29] and I don't know why [03:30] bayonne bmontgom@montynet.org ASSIGNED [03:30] thats not my email [03:30] 05 Dec 05 11:08 Johnny Mast bayonne: assignee motumergers rave [03:30] look at the activity log [03:30] you're listed as changing that on the 5th [03:30] it might have been a typo [03:30] yes i see [03:30] i asigned back [03:30] but then got it back as well [03:31] its no problem I was just wondering why it changed :) [03:31] it's a problem in that the merge page won't get updated accurately [03:31] since it's no longer the assignee [03:31] i realy need to learn this guys [03:31] a bug fix isnt a problem [03:31] JohnnyMast: no problem, we just need to keep the bug assigned to MOTU Mergers [03:32] i didnt knew that by then [03:32] plus that package is merged, so not much to do with it but wait [03:33] yeah well, this dude is learning and trying to help out :) [03:33] i got a great reply on the mailing list [03:33] wich i will study tomorrow [03:33] you just need to learn the procedures before randomly reassigning :) [03:33] malone currently allows people to do anything, unlike bugzilla [03:33] that's a good & a bad thing [03:34] its partly my fault, I should have added a note saying it was waiting on 64-bit arches [03:34] yes, but first thing i do [03:34] is when i have time [03:34] and understand merging [03:34] is fixing the wiki [03:35] because i dont get the rules on the wiki nor does TheMuso [03:35] common bug system ettiquette is to not reassign when it's already assigned to someone [03:35] we should note these things down [03:35] well write the whole cirle down [03:36] i learned the most from you guys (thanks) [03:36] ajmitch: I think there might be an old page that says to assign bugs to yourself and make comments in the status block [03:36] it's not obvious what to write down until someone needs to know [03:36] bmonty: probably [03:36] JohnnyMast: do you remember what wiki page you followed? [03:36] but this one was already assigned to motumergers [03:36] MOTU -> wannabee [03:36] and then merging [03:37] wich only reported how to stat the staus [03:37] *status [03:37] not how to merge [03:37] do you have the wiki names? [03:37] preferably the URL [03:37] i can look it up [03:37] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUToMerge ? [03:37] thats one of them [03:38] i think i saw more [03:38] but yes, that page doesnt give much info [03:38] unles that rule i broke then === ajmitch_ wishes he got karma for fixing debian bugs [03:39] then fix it [03:40] lol [03:40] JohnnyMast: the merge bugs stay assigned to MOTU Merge Team so that REVU stays updated [03:40] ajmitch_: heh. then import that bug into malone :-) [03:40] yes how do you DE-asign them when you cant work it out ? [03:40] nah [03:40] I wouldn't want to flood malone with crap ;) [03:40] i would be happy to hand it over [03:41] JohnnyMast: I already changed it back [03:41] I'd be happy to reassign it if firefox weren't broken here.. [03:41] you are welcome to watch the buildlogs and update the bug if you want [03:42] ok well guys, im gonna studdy that email tomorrow and if i have questions ile ask them here [03:42] well bmonty one day ile merge successfully as well [03:42] bmonty: thanks for fixing it [03:42] JohnnyMast: you've filed merge bugs? [03:43] well i tryed them [03:43] ok, I see a few [03:43] but they failed [03:43] and i got lost [03:43] JohnnyMast: siretart's email is a pretty good start [03:44] reinard is sirestart ? [03:44] yes [03:44] hmmm...what happened to the little icon that shows the status message in malone? [03:44] ok then i have one just simple queston [03:44] *question [03:44] the source the packages is based on [03:44] kiki isn't fixed already, it just doesn't have MoM output [03:44] is a simple apt-get source right ? [03:45] 0.5.6-1 vs 0.5.6-0ubuntu2 [03:45] yes [03:45] oki [03:45] thats what i tought :) [03:45] depending on what you have in your sources.list [03:45] as long as you have dapper in sources.list === ajmitch_ has a debian chroot setup to get debian source [03:45] thats what i have bmonty [03:46] JohnnyMast: then that is correct [03:46] good [03:46] well tomorrow if i have any you will hear more questions [03:46] but with good email reply`s like the one i got questions are soon answered (also on irc) [03:47] alright guys [03:47] im gonna sleep [03:48] take care all of you [03:48] night JohnnyMast [03:48] thanks [03:48] looks like hula will be fun to merge [03:48] cold here is a good student too [03:49] but he`s shy so be carefull with him :p === JohnnyMast is now known as JohnnyMast_ZZZZz [03:50] ok, hula might be a 5 minute task judging by the changelog [03:50] guys btw [03:50] could we do one step by step if one of you got time and i still dont get it ? [03:50] sure [03:51] good thanks [03:51] im gonna sleep for real now :) [03:51] ajmitch: if I only make changes in the debian dir, is it worthwhile to use filterdiff to get rid of all the autoconf junk? (i.e. filterdiff -i '*/debian/*' < package.debdiff) [03:53] bmonty: yeah, , but please use > :) [03:53] ajmitch: of course [03:53] to get to a new debdiff [03:53] lsdiff is wonderful [03:54] I like it [03:54] yeah, I just started using that :) [03:54] splitdiff is also great [03:55] diff utils -> love [03:55] I need to spend some time reviewing 'man -k diff' :) === minghua thanks bmonty for the "man -k" tip :-) [03:59] it's hard to remember how to spell "apropos" [04:02] you mean ap ? [04:04] I didn't know about apropos until after I used man -k for a long time....I can't break the habit :) [04:04] lifeless: well, it's not always in a shell, sometimes I need to spell it in email or irc [04:05] sounds like your irc and email clients need tab completion ;) [04:10] do you guys use ever use dbs? === freeflying_ [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.38] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Kyral [n=kyral@hamlin-166-12336.hamlin.clarkson.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:17] hi Kyral [04:23] this has to be an omen [04:23] I come back to my room and open my fridge to find that 4 cans of soda frozen and exploded [04:24] at least it isn't beer [04:24] Still sticky and a pain in the ass to clean [04:24] just don't let it thaw :) [04:25] I cleaned it up [04:25] that reminds me of when we used to freeze gum in liquid nitrogen and then smash it on the wall :) [04:26] it's an omen of the CC meeting? [04:27] Right now I hope its not an omen of my Final Exams next week [04:27] so I take it that nobody uses dbs then. [04:28] Kyral: it will be all good ;-) [04:28] I can appear before the CC again if I need to [04:28] I CAN'T take my finals again [04:28] LaserJock: I use whatever the original packager used :) [04:29] Kyral: sure you can, when you take the class over again [04:29] You don't see it [04:29] I'm still on Academic Warning [04:29] aha [04:29]