| mherweg | I'll just take my own /opt/ltsp | 12:04 |
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| amu | moin | 12:05 |
| ogra | hey amu !!!! | 12:06 |
| ogra | mherweg, http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/bzr-archive/ltsp/multiarch/ | 12:06 |
| ogra | copy the ltsp-build-client and ltsp-update-kernels to your system ... (/usr/sbin/) | 12:07 |
| \sh | hey amu :) | 12:07 |
| ogra | then ltsp-build-client has an --arch i386 option | 12:07 |
| amu | ogra: wanna check if you converted to a kde guy, heard you wanna replace gnome, here i'm ;) | 12:07 |
| ogra | haha | 12:07 |
| ogra | i'll never convert ;) | 12:08 |
| ogra | but its good to see you here :) | 12:08 |
| amu | :) we'll see | 12:08 |
| ogra | i converted once .... to GNOME :) | 12:08 |
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| amu | checkput the kiosktools a wounderfull thing for edubuntu, especially for schools *g* | 12:10 |
| amu | s/checkput/checkout | 12:12 |
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| ogra | amu, they cant cope with sabayon | 12:19 |
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| Absorto | ogra, i upgraded to backported kde3.5 packages. The bug is fixed. | 12:22 |
| ogra | great :) | 12:22 |
| ogra | glad you got it running | 12:22 |
| Absorto | yes! I'm glad too. | 12:23 |
| ogra | :) | 12:23 |
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| Burgwork | is there a complete list of applications included in edubuntu on the wiki? | 12:30 |
| ogra | yes ... | 12:30 |
| ogra | not on the wiki though | 12:31 |
| Burgwork | do I have to cut apart edubuntu-meta? | 12:31 |
| ogra | http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/seeds/edubuntu-breezy/desktop | 12:31 |
| mherweg | can I use a ISDN card to go online with an edubuntu-server ? | 12:32 |
| ogra | there is a section = EduBuntu specific Software = | 12:32 |
| ogra | mherweg, yup | 12:32 |
| Burgwork | ogra, cheers | 12:32 |
| ogra | Burgwork, thats the desktop part ... | 12:32 |
| ogra | http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/seeds/edubuntu-breezy/server | 12:33 |
| ogra | thats for the server | 12:33 |
| Lord_Athur | mhz_stuff, !!!! | 12:34 |
| Lord_Athur | 12:35 | |
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| Burgwork | ogra, thanks | 12:46 |
| Burgwork | ogra, is there also a list of rejected apps? | 12:46 |
| ogra | there are none | 12:46 |
| ogra | thats the list we worked out with the teachers at the first edubuntu summit ... | 12:47 |
| ogra | we'll have another summit (i hope) for dapper+1 | 12:47 |
| ogra | the prob is that i'm already at 680MB with this list ... there is not much space left | 12:48 |
| Burgwork | cool | 12:48 |
| ogra | i'd love to drop th ekdeedu stuff if there were some equivlent in gnome ... then i could get rid of the kdelibs and the kde language packs ... they take a hell lot of space | 12:49 |
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| ogra | Absorto, yes, but mixing gnome and KDE is not a good idea space wise | 12:50 |
| ogra | amU, is probably building a kedubuntu ... | 12:51 |
| mherweg | good idea | 12:51 |
| Absorto | ogra, now that you mention it... how would one go about removing all things gnome now that i've setup kubuntu-destkop? | 12:52 |
| ogra | remove th elowest level... i.e. look for libgtk or libgnome ... | 12:52 |
| ogra | it will take the depending stuff with it | 12:53 |
| Absorto | let's see... | 12:53 |
| Absorto | why, that seems about right! removing libgnome2-0... | 12:56 |
| mherweg | Absorto: how did you install kde ? do you use kdm ? | 12:58 |
| Absorto | mherweg, i apt-got kubuntu-desktop. And yes, kdm. | 12:59 |
| mherweg | ok | 12:59 |
| Burgwork | ogra, we are just talking at work here about including some education software and the lead developer has just about vetoed any kde libs | 01:00 |
| ogra | heh | 01:00 |
| ogra | that gets hard ... kdeedu is a great suite .... | 01:00 |
| Burgwork | yes | 01:00 |
| Burgwork | have you looked at childsplay (I haven't, just wondering) | 01:00 |
| ogra | yes | 01:00 |
| Burgwork | how does it compare to gcompris? | 01:01 |
| ogra | its as big as gcompris and aims to be the successor | 01:01 |
| ogra | but crrently i thing gcompris has more contributors ... | 01:01 |
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| mherweg | LTSP became very similar ti lessdisks since MueKow, i did not read the ltsp website & ML for a while | 01:09 |
| mherweg | /usr/sbin/ltsp-build-client: line 274: debconf-get-selections: command not found | 01:10 |
| mherweg | ? | 01:10 |
| mherweg | serios or not ? | 01:10 |
| ogra | heh... intresting ... | 01:11 |
| ogra | try to comment line 274 | 01:13 |
| Absorto | ogra, is it very difficult to net-boot a thick client? I was thinking i could use nss-mysql to take care of authentication etc. and with a P4 and 256MB ram this clients aren't very thin. | 01:17 |
| mherweg | now it starts to download everything again :-( i need some kind of proxy | 01:17 |
| mherweg | Absorto: knoppix terminalserver is for diskless fat clients | 01:19 |
| Absorto | mherweg, i tried that, but its knoppix flavour. A kubuntu flavour would rock! | 01:19 |
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| ogra | mherweg, use --mirror file://cdrom if you gont a CD | 01:20 |
| ogra | *got | 01:20 |
| mherweg | try to use the knoppix technology (unionfs) on top of kubuntu | 01:20 |
| ogra | it will be in dapper | 01:20 |
| Absorto | i think remastering knoppix to make it kubuntu is too much effort... | 01:20 |
| ogra | (unionfs) | 01:20 |
| ogra | its been highly unstable until some weeks ago | 01:21 |
| mherweg | ogra: cool ! thanks - MUCH faster | 01:21 |
| ogra | :) | 01:22 |
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| Lord_Athur | hi | 01:22 |
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| Lord_Athur | bye | 01:30 |
| mherweg | the terminal is booting to console login: - but it takes a lot of time, LTSP becomes slower with every Version | 01:31 |
| ogra | nope | 01:31 |
| ogra | it becomes faster | 01:31 |
| ogra | it *can* only become faster | 01:31 |
| ogra | since we started off with 90sec ;) | 01:32 |
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| ogra | my current setup boots in 61sec ... and for dapper release it will be down to 45sec | 01:32 |
| mherweg | ltsp 2.x was the first and the fastest that I know: a kernel , a script, an X-server - nothing more | 01:32 |
| ogra | yes, but non upgradeable ... | 01:33 |
| mherweg | i know | 01:33 |
| ogra | the prob in breezy is (as you see on all the error mesages while booting) that we install a normal bases system | 01:34 |
| ogra | for dapper i made a lot of tweaks to make a real minimal system out of it ... | 01:34 |
| ogra | indeed you have to pay for a default ubuntu kernel and 100% X autodetection... | 01:35 |
| mherweg | i see | 01:35 |
| ogra | as well as hrdware detection in general | 01:35 |
| ogra | the advantage is that you can plug in *every* client into ubuntu ... | 01:36 |
| ogra | classic ltsp boots in less than 20sec | 01:36 |
| ogra | but has a non modular kernel and no X detection | 01:36 |
| ogra | compare http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/edubuntu/breezy-20051113-1.png with http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/edubuntu/dapper-20051205-1.png , thats my work of the last weeks ... | 01:38 |
| mherweg | ic | 01:40 |
| ogra | we'll cut down the X detection by about 10 sec and we'll achieve ~15sec from the normal ubuntu bootprocess speedup going on ... | 01:43 |
| ogra | and there is still space to optimize more in dapper+1 | 01:43 |
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| JayAllen | Sigh. | 01:57 |
| JayAllen | Bought a NetGear FA311. Plugged it in. STILL no network. | 01:58 |
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| mhz_stuff | re | 02:09 |
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| paolob | Hi ogra | 03:07 |
| paolob | hi mhz | 03:07 |
| mhz | paolob: hi man | 03:08 |
| paolob | mhz, ogra, I keep having problems with the clients' boot. After "nfs-premount...Done" some client (sometimes a bigger number, sometimes a lesser one) waits a very very long time: 10-15-30 minutes!!!! What could be the reason? what could I do? | 03:10 |
| mhz | hmmmmmmm | 03:10 |
| === mhz thinking | ||
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| Lord_Athur | how can I umount the cd-rom when the cd is being used for something | 03:10 |
| paolob | Lord_Athur: I think you definitely must stop using it. | 03:10 |
| mhz | Lord_Athur: usually, you have to make sure the /cd dir is not being used by someone | 03:11 |
| Lord_Athur | using what? | 03:11 |
| paolob | or kill the program that is using it | 03:11 |
| mhz | then, you'll be able to umount it | 03:11 |
| Lord_Athur | then, how can I know what's using it? | 03:11 |
| mhz | hmmm, good question | 03:11 |
| Lord_Athur | jajaja | 03:12 |
| mhz | if you are the only user... | 03:12 |
| mhz | simply changing to your home dir will do | 03:12 |
| Lord_Athur | and the root | 03:12 |
| Lord_Athur | I work more as root | 03:13 |
| mhz | ??????????/ | 03:13 |
| mhz | Lord_Athur: you should not do that | 03:13 |
| Lord_Athur | why? | 03:13 |
| mhz | esp. if you dont know how to stop and umount your cd :D | 03:13 |
| Lord_Athur | my user is not in the sudo group | 03:13 |
| Lord_Athur | this does not allow me to work very well | 03:14 |
| pc22 | Lord_Athur u using edubuntu now? | 03:14 |
| mhz | Lord_Athur: mounting or umounting is not 'dangerous' | 03:14 |
| mhz | so you could let all users do that | 03:14 |
| Lord_Athur | pc22, no, I am using debian | 03:14 |
| Lord_Athur | mhz, | 03:15 |
| mhz | what? | 03:15 |
| Lord_Athur | the terminal told me that only the root can umount the cd-rom | 03:15 |
| Lord_Athur | from tomorrow I will not have debian | 03:17 |
| Lord_Athur | :D | 03:17 |
| mhz | Lord_Athur: then, as root, do this: adduser tu_mismo cdrom | 03:17 |
| pc22 | is edubuntu cool? | 03:17 |
| mhz | pc22: indeed | 03:17 |
| mhz | of course! | 03:17 |
| mhz | pc22: edubuntu = Ubuntu + LTSP (modified) + educational apps. | 03:18 |
| mhz | so it is ubuntu | 03:18 |
| mhz | and if you like ubuntu... edubuntu is cool | 03:18 |
| paolob | Lord_Athur: fuser /cdrom | 03:18 |
| paolob | mhz: no idea about that delay problem? | 03:19 |
| mhz | paolob: I was googling about it | 03:20 |
| mhz | but no ida yet :( | 03:20 |
| mhz | did you ask the #ltsp guys? | 03:20 |
| paolob | Some client boot quite rapidly, others last very much to get the graphic login. | 03:20 |
| mhz | and if you change the boot order is the same thing? | 03:21 |
| paolob | mhz: what boot order? | 03:22 |
| paolob | I boot all the clients together | 03:22 |
| mhz | per clients. I mean if you boot #3 , #4, #5 and then boot all over again #4, #3, #5 ? | 03:23 |
| mhz | (was an example) | 03:23 |
| pc22 | mhz whats ltsp? | 03:23 |
| mhz | Linux Terminal Server Project | 03:24 |
| paolob | mhz: is it wrong to boot all the clients together? | 03:24 |
| mhz | pc22: 1 central server (powerful) connected to # of thin old clients (with no HD) | 03:24 |
| mhz | paolob: mhhh, i dont know, that's why I suggested that option | 03:25 |
| mhz | to find out if the problem still existed in that booting sequence | 03:25 |
| mhz | :) | 03:25 |
| paolob | mhz: tomorrow I'm going to try out booting the clients one at a time | 03:27 |
| mhz | good idea | 03:27 |
| mhz | or boot group of 2 or 3 at the same time | 03:27 |
| mhz | the idea is to get a picture of what the possible causes may be | 03:28 |
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| === paolob is going to bed | ||
| paolob | Well, thanks all! Good night! | 03:34 |
| mhz | paolob: sleep well | 03:34 |
| mhz | count some sheeps? | 03:34 |
| paolob | :-) Voy a soar con los angelitos :-) | 03:34 |
| mhz | oh de veraas? | 03:34 |
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| mhz | hi all | 05:40 |
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| mhz | highvoltage: awake? | 05:53 |
| highvoltage | mhz: barely | 05:54 |
| highvoltage | mhz: just arrived at work | 05:55 |
| mhz | cool | 05:55 |
| mhz | I am about to go to bed | 05:55 |
| mhz | and wanted to know if you saw what hno73 did to TOC site? (you helped him?) | 05:55 |
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| mhz | re | 05:56 |
| mhz | sorry, bad mouse! | 05:56 |
| highvoltage | mhz: sorry, got distracted. no, i didn't help him. | 06:01 |
| highvoltage | link? | 06:01 |
| mhz | http://new-www.theopencd.org/Welcome | 06:06 |
| mhz | gee | 06:06 |
| mhz | that url was hard to get | 06:06 |
| mhz | I really think he (they?) did an amzing job | 06:06 |
| mhz | and it's moin! :D | 06:06 |
| mhz | highvoltage: so, what you think? | 06:10 |
| highvoltage | it looks nice! | 06:15 |
| mhz | ok | 06:16 |
| mhz | highvoltage: when do you think it will be possible to test/help Drupal for Edubuntu? | 06:16 |
| highvoltage | but like hno73 said, you can do anything visually, it's just a matter of editing the stylesheets. | 06:16 |
| mhz | yup | 06:16 |
| mhz | and he also did some tweaking here and there | 06:17 |
| mhz | and used some naughty boy tricks :) | 06:17 |
| highvoltage | heh | 06:24 |
| mhz | highvoltage: when do you think it will be possible to test/help Drupal for Edubuntu? | 06:28 |
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| jeffbuntu | hi, i've a little problem with evince (edubuntu5.10) it can't open one pdf file ==> evince-thumbnailer take 100%cpu endless (but acrobat can open this file) ? | 09:29 |
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| ulinskie | is there a live cd for edubuntu available for download? | 09:49 |
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| konfuzed | actually just saw an interesting article regarding http://opencd.org which is based on ubunutu plus some extras and you can easily add the edu package to after the primary install | 10:25 |
| konfuzed | uh rather | 10:25 |
| konfuzed | uf you choose to install | 10:26 |
| konfuzed | it also runs ubuntu live cd I suppose | 10:26 |
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| JaneW | **Reminder** Weekly Dev Update meeting in #ubuntu-meeting in 30 mins | 12:30 |
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| crimsun | crap, I'd better get coffee right now then :) | 12:41 |
| ogra | heh | 12:41 |
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| janeW | highvoltage: ping -> #ubuntu-meeting please | 01:14 |
| zakame | edubuntu meeting now? | 01:16 |
| ogra | yes | 01:21 |
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| zakame | heya mhz :D | 01:22 |
| mhz | hey.. | 01:22 |
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| highvoltage | janeW: pong, been in important meeting | 02:45 |
| highvoltage | (not that edubuntu is unimportant) | 02:45 |
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| Lord_Athur | ogra, or ogra_ | 04:39 |
| Lord_Athur | what's the person that made edubuntu8? | 04:39 |
| lucasvo | Lord_Athur: ogra :D | 04:39 |
| ogra | edubuntu8 ? | 04:39 |
| Lord_Athur | ok | 04:39 |
| ogra | we are only at edubuntu1 yet ;) | 04:39 |
| Lord_Athur | jejeje the number was an error | 04:39 |
| lucasvo | Lord_Athur: Shuttleworth | 04:40 |
| Lord_Athur | what's that lucasvo ? | 04:40 |
| lucasvo | Lord_Athur: the man who pays ogra | 04:40 |
| lucasvo | Lord_Athur: canonical? | 04:40 |
| Lord_Athur | I know something about canonical | 04:41 |
| Lord_Athur | but is Shuttleworth here? | 04:41 |
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| Lord_Athur | well i was only searching mhz | 04:43 |
| Lord_Athur | and he is not here | 04:43 |
| Lord_Athur | I'll see in the channel after any minutes | 04:44 |
| Lord_Athur | by | 04:44 |
| Lord_Athur | e | 04:44 |
| lucasvo | ldm themes aren't gdm compatible, are they? | 04:45 |
| ogra | not really | 04:46 |
| ogra | i mean it uses similar wording for the pics, so GDM themes may work on ldm ... but not the other way around, since i dont use xml files | 04:47 |
| lucasvo | ok | 04:48 |
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| paolob | hi ogra | 06:37 |
| ogra | hi | 06:37 |
| highvoltage | hi ogra and paolob | 06:37 |
| paolob | You know, I keeps having problems with the clients' boot | 06:37 |
| paolob | hi highvoltage | 06:37 |
| juliux | hi paolob highvoltage ogra | 06:37 |
| juliux | ;) | 06:37 |
| paolob | hi juliux | 06:37 |
| highvoltage | hi juliux :) (and everyone else) | 06:38 |
| paolob | ogra: they have a loooooooooong delay (15-30 minutes!) after executing the script nfs-remount. | 06:38 |
| highvoltage | geepers, i would've gotten impatient after 10 minutes. | 06:38 |
| paolob | Some client never arrive to present the gui | 06:38 |
| ogra | i have no idea, sounds rather like a network thing ... | 06:38 |
| highvoltage | sounds like some kind of lookup not happening, to take a guess. | 06:39 |
| paolob | I think the problem is in the nfs script, in the nfsmount instrccions: I may guess it is expecting something like a IP address. | 06:39 |
| highvoltage | did you enter a hostname instead? | 06:39 |
| paolob | I saw another strange thing too: the server's syslog reports me that every client, after receiving its IP, negotiates another during the first stages of the boot. Is it normal? | 06:40 |
| highvoltage | yep. | 06:40 |
| highvoltage | etherboot or pxe will request an address. | 06:41 |
| highvoltage | and when linux starts up, it will request an address again. | 06:41 |
| paolob | highvoltage: but then, what of the two is going to be the client's IP? | 06:41 |
| highvoltage | both, they should be the same. | 06:42 |
| paolob | ?!? | 06:42 |
| highvoltage | dhcpd will create a lease period for that client based on the network card's mac address | 06:42 |
| highvoltage | so it will get the same IP address both times when it requests an address. | 06:42 |
| paolob | no, they are different! | 06:43 |
| highvoltage | that's very, very strange. | 06:43 |
| paolob | I tried with only one client. Syslog shows: | 06:43 |
| paolob | dhcp: DHCPDISCOVER | 06:43 |
| paolob | dhcp: DHCPOFFER 192.168.0.250 | 06:44 |
| paolob | dhcp: DHCPREQUEST 192.168.0.250 | 06:44 |
| paolob | dhcp: DHCPACK 192.168.0.250 | 06:44 |
| paolob | mountd: authenticated mountrequest from 192.168.0.177 for /opt/ltsp/i386 | 06:44 |
| paolob | dhcp: DHCPOFFER 192.168.0.249 | 06:45 |
| paolob | dhcp: DHCPREQUEST 192.168.0.249 | 06:45 |
| paolob | dhcp: DHCPACK 192.168.0.249 | 06:45 |
| paolob | dhcp: DHCPREQUEST 192.168.0.249 | 06:45 |
| paolob | dhcp: DHCPACK 192.168.0.249 | 06:45 |
| paolob | 06:45 | |
| paolob | What does it mean? In particular that 177 from mountd in the middle.... | 06:46 |
| highvoltage | i don't know. i wish i could be there to check in person, i haven't seen that before. | 06:46 |
| highvoltage | was only one client switched on at this point? | 06:47 |
| highvoltage | and do you only have one dhcp server running on the network? | 06:47 |
| paolob | highvoltage: there was only one client, and the server is one computer. | 06:49 |
| paolob | highvoltage: the server has a /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf and a /etc/dhcp3/dhcpd.conf . Are there two dhcpd servers? | 06:50 |
| ogra | dont touch the latter .... | 06:52 |
| ogra | its the generic dhcpd file ... | 06:52 |
| ogra | what ip did the booted client have in your above example ? | 06:53 |
| ogra | apparently 192.168.0.177 mounted the rootfs | 06:53 |
| ogra | so i'd guess the clients ip was the same | 06:54 |
| paolob | ogra: that was before the nfs-premount delay | 06:54 |
| ogra | the nfs-* scripts are just empty dummys | 06:54 |
| ogra | the problem must be somethjing else | 06:55 |
| paolob | ogra: but they are there, and are executed! They are in (let me try to remember) /usr/share/......./scripts/nfs-*** | 06:55 |
| ogra | look into such a script... | 06:56 |
| ogra | and they are not executed from /usr/share ;) | 06:56 |
| paolob | ogra: actually I saw the script i have the delay in there | 06:56 |
| ogra | its empty ... | 06:56 |
| paolob | I am not on the server, the server still isn't on the internet | 06:56 |
| ogra | none of the nfs-* scripts have any content ... | 06:57 |
| ogra | after the nfs-* scrpts are executed the nfs script is run, but that also only contains one line that matters ... | 06:58 |
| paolob | ogra: but I _did_ open the script/nfs file, and it wasn't empty. It called script/nfs-top, then script/nfs-premount, then had a nfsmount <parameters>, and then called script/nfs-bottom | 06:58 |
| ogra | read what i wrote | 06:58 |
| paolob | ogra: but then what the hell did I see? | 06:59 |
| ogra | the nfs script (note, not the nfs-* scripts) has one valid line, thats just calling nfsmount | 07:00 |
| paolob | I think that the delay is there | 07:00 |
| ogra | the rest is empty and thought for possible enhancements in the future | 07:00 |
| ogra | yes, but that can only be the nfsmount command ... | 07:01 |
| ogra | which would either indicate a network problem or something being wrong with the nfs server | 07:01 |
| paolob | How can I get more information on that nfsmount? Syslog doesn't tell me anything till the mount is done. I must understand why it lasts so much | 07:01 |
| ogra | you have the mount attempt in your log above ... | 07:02 |
| ogra | mountd: authenticated mountrequest from 192.168.0.177 for /opt/ltsp/i386 | 07:02 |
| paolob | Actually I could see various DHCPOFFER/REQUEST/ACK with various IP | 07:02 |
| ogra | ignore that | 07:02 |
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| ogra | the only intresting piece is the mountrequest line | 07:03 |
| ogra | or do you run any other dhcp server in the network ? | 07:03 |
| paolob | ogra: but apparently the client doesn't find a valid IP to mount, apparently it tryed many IP before finding the right one | 07:03 |
| paolob | ogra: when I installed edubuntu I was in a net with this pc, I think it has a dhcp server... let me see | 07:04 |
| ogra | tzhere is only one mount attempt in your log above | 07:04 |
| paolob | ~$ ps ax|grep dhcp | 07:04 |
| paolob | 7584 ? Ss 0:00 /usr/sbin/dhcpd3 -q eth0 | 07:04 |
| paolob | Yes I have | 07:04 |
| paolob | better, I had when I first installed edubuntu and had it working with a client | 07:05 |
| paolob | now the server only is connected to its clients | 07:05 |
| ogra | the above looks like you have running two ... | 07:07 |
| paolob | ogra: i.e I have two dhcpd server on the same edubuntu server? | 07:09 |
| ogra | that doesnt work | 07:09 |
| ogra | nope, i mean you have two servers running in the net | 07:09 |
| paolob | ogra: but the server isn't connected to the net :-) | 07:11 |
| ogra | what ip does the server have ? | 07:14 |
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| paolob | ogra: 192.168.0.15 | 07:17 |
| paolob | I put that address because I think to connect it in the future to a local net where the IP 192.168.0.1-10 are already in use | 07:18 |
| ogra | thats fine | 07:18 |
| paolob | ogra: how can I debug the nfsmount process? | 07:19 |
| ogra | thats | 07:20 |
| ogra | how a normal dhcp handshake looks on n edubuntu http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/5486 | 07:20 |
| paolob | ogra: I can try to bring here a copy of syslog. Or is some better log file? | 07:24 |
| lucasvo | gaim is so buggy | 07:24 |
| lucasvo | *crap* ! | 07:24 |
| ogra | paolob: you can paste it anywhere | 07:25 |
| ogra | but i'm running out of time | 07:25 |
| ogra | we have a developer meeting at 3am (my time) today and i have to prepare a lot | 07:25 |
| paolob | ogra: anyway it will be tomorrow | 07:25 |
| ogra | use pastebin, as the topic suggests | 07:26 |
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| lucasvo | ogra: 3am? poor ogra :D | 07:26 |
| ogra | yup, rotating time ... | 07:27 |
| paolob | bye all | 07:29 |
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| Absorto | hello! say... i just logged into a thin cilent and there's no loopback interface | 08:41 |
| Absorto | i believe that's making things difficult to the portmaper. how come there's no lo? | 08:41 |
| Absorto | I read /etc/network/interfaces and it's there, but it's down. | 08:42 |
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| Lord_Athur | anybody know anything about mhz? | 08:48 |
| ogra | he is from chile :) | 08:49 |
| Lord_Athur | jajaja | 08:49 |
| Lord_Athur | but I had to meet him this morning and he did not call me | 08:50 |
| Lord_Athur | and he is not here | 08:50 |
| Lord_Athur | :S | 08:50 |
| ogra | he was shotrly in the edubuntu meeting today and sent his update to the mailing list since he couldnt stay until the end of the meeting | 08:51 |
| ogra | dunno what he did during the day | 08:51 |
| Lord_Athur | what does the word shotrly mean? | 08:51 |
| ogra | shortly | 08:51 |
| Lord_Athur | has it got a synonim? | 08:51 |
| ogra | was a typo | 08:51 |
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| ogra | short ... | 08:52 |
| Lord_Athur | jajaja | 08:52 |
| Lord_Athur | ok | 08:52 |
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| Gnimsh | hi | 09:00 |
| Lord_Athur | hi | 09:00 |
| Gnimsh | Just wondering what the difference is between ubuntu and edubuntu? | 09:01 |
| ogra | mainly LTSP | 09:01 |
| ogra | the educational apps | 09:01 |
| Gnimsh | I don't know that is | 09:02 |
| Gnimsh | what that is* | 09:02 |
| ogra | and different artwork | 09:02 |
| Gnimsh | oh | 09:02 |
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| ogra | the linux terminal server project | 09:02 |
| ogra | by default the CD installs a terminal server you can use with diskless clients in a classroom | 09:02 |
| Gnimsh | oh I see. the artwork does look like its for kids | 09:02 |
| Gnimsh | cool | 09:02 |
| Lord_Athur | ogra,will we be able to make our own graphical enviroment for edubuntu? | 09:04 |
| Lord_Athur | someone with an unique and special artwork | 09:05 |
| Lord_Athur | can this be possible as an official edubuntu project? | 09:05 |
| ogra | not offical, but thats possible ... | 09:05 |
| Lord_Athur | :D | 09:06 |
| Lord_Athur | then, does edubuntu want to continue with gnome officially ? | 09:07 |
| Absorto | how about edkubuntu? | 09:07 |
| Lord_Athur | edubuntu with kubuntu? | 09:08 |
| Absorto | yeah, perhaps! | 09:08 |
| Lord_Athur | I'd be same to edubuntu with gnome | 09:08 |
| Lord_Athur | kde & gnome are of other projects of ubuntu, It would not be in edubuntu | 09:09 |
| ogra | not officially ... | 09:09 |
| ogra | but feel free to create it ;) | 09:09 |
| Absorto | yeah, i guess you can have it if you really want it. In fact, I do. I installed edubuntu and am enjoying ltsp much. But then installed kubuntu-desktop and am in bliss. | 09:09 |
| Lord_Athur | :D | 09:09 |
| Lord_Athur | is there a way to download a version of edubuntu to modify? | 09:10 |
| ogra | cdimage.ubuntu.com | 09:10 |
| ogra | grab the iso and modify it | 09:10 |
| Lord_Athur | mmm | 09:12 |
| Lord_Athur | haven't you got a wiki page (or a howto) to visit and learn about modifying distros? | 09:12 |
| ogra | i gave it to you ... 6 or 8 times in the last 2 weeks ... | 09:13 |
| ogra | search the wiki, for install CD customization | 09:13 |
| Lord_Athur | :D | 09:14 |
| Lord_Athur | But i am asking about change programs create other delete any applications, change the distro and save the new one in a cd | 09:15 |
| ogra | yes | 09:15 |
| Lord_Athur | But i am asking about change programs, create other, delete any applications. change the distro and save the new one in a cd | 09:15 |
| ogra | exactly | 09:15 |
| Lord_Athur | ? | 09:16 |
| Lord_Athur | what's that? | 09:16 |
| ogra | you grab the iso and modify it ... | 09:16 |
| ogra | add/remove apps etc | 09:16 |
| Lord_Athur | :D | 09:17 |
| Lord_Athur | jejeje | 09:17 |
| Lord_Athur | I will not ask it again | 09:17 |
| Lord_Athur | :P | 09:17 |
| ogra | just read the wiki page any try it ;) | 09:17 |
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| Lord_Athur | jejejei will | 09:19 |
| Absorto | I have a question! I read in ltsp that you can run apps localy. I don't want to run nis, I want nss-mysql. So, for the time being, I just added a line to my /etc/passwd and created a /etc/shadow with my encrypted password. I then tried to mount /home from the app server and... well, I couldn't find an easy way to do it! | 09:21 |
| Absorto | so i just added a line in ltsp-client-setup, to append the appropiate line in fstab. It worked! | 09:22 |
| Absorto | but I don't understand how. 'cause /etc/exports says nothing about /home! how did it mount it if it is not being exported? | 09:22 |
| Absorto | is it more of that ssh tunneling magic? | 09:23 |
| ogra | nope... ssh is unrelated | 09:26 |
| Absorto | then... how does it do it? | 09:27 |
| ogra | i'm pretty sure you broke it already with installing KDM | 09:27 |
| Absorto | well... I didn't! but i had to hack a bit. | 09:27 |
| ogra | so you wont be using any ssh tunnel anymore ... | 09:27 |
| Absorto | oh, yeah, no ssh tunneling anymore | 09:27 |
| Absorto | but... what about the nfs? i don't understand! | 09:27 |
| ogra | me neither | 09:27 |
| Absorto | well, anyways, it mounted /home ro so I had to modify /etc/exports to add rw | 09:28 |
| Absorto | but then, even tho it mounted rw it was terribly slow. | 09:28 |
| Absorto | well, i did this: i chrooted to /opt/ltsp/i386 and apt-got kubuntu-desktop | 09:29 |
| Absorto | then I booted the client and logged in. I added startkde to .xinitrc and ran startx -- :1 | 09:29 |
| Absorto | I had a terribly slow kde session! | 09:29 |
| ogra | sure | 09:30 |
| ogra | you dont run *any* ltsp anymore | 09:30 |
| Absorto | i suspected the portmap, since I saw some errors on boot | 09:30 |
| ogra | you run a netbooting fullclinet | 09:30 |
| Absorto | well.. yes. I do. Did I just reinvent the wheel? | 09:30 |
| ogra | nope | 09:31 |
| ogra | highvoltage does the same for his thick clients... | 09:31 |
| Absorto | well... you see, this clients arent quite thin, having pentium 4s and 256 mb ram... | 09:31 |
| ogra | but you need a big client for that | 09:31 |
| ogra | thats not much | 09:31 |
| Absorto | yeah, i have 'em! | 09:31 |
| Absorto | well, it's enough to run kde :) | 09:31 |
| ogra | they will break if you dont add a kind of network swapping | 09:32 |
| Absorto | oh, I thought so. | 09:32 |
| Absorto | I will. | 09:32 |
| ogra | they will just shut down if the 356M are used up | 09:32 |
| ogra | *256 | 09:32 |
| Absorto | just shut down? wow! | 09:32 |
| ogra | yup | 09:32 |
| Absorto | sound pretty interesting to me :) | 09:32 |
| ogra | the kernel has not enough ram anymore, so it kills the X server | 09:32 |
| ogra | with no warning | 09:33 |
| Absorto | just like that? awesome! | 09:33 |
| ogra | i highly suggest you have a look at nbd | 09:33 |
| Absorto | ok, I'll add some swap, i think that shouldn't be too difficult. | 09:33 |
| Absorto | what is nbd? | 09:33 |
| ogra | it will be slow .... | 09:33 |
| ogra | so slow that you will need 1-2 minutes to move the mousepointer from one corner of the screen to the other | 09:34 |
| ogra | but it will not shut down | 09:34 |
| ogra | nbd = network block device | 09:35 |
| ogra | kernel 2.6 has no other option to swap over the network anymore | 09:36 |
| Absorto | but what about the swapfiles mounted thru nfs? | 09:38 |
| ogra | not anymore | 09:38 |
| ogra | that was an awful hack to kernel 2.4 | 09:38 |
| ogra | doesnt work wth 2.6 | 09:38 |
| Absorto | hm! | 09:39 |
| ogra | the way to go is nbd ... | 09:39 |
| ogra | we have it in the ubuntu kernel by default ... | 09:39 |
| ogra | the ltsp scripts are prepared to use it | 09:40 |
| Absorto | or I could use local swapfiles... | 09:43 |
| Absorto | perhaps I can mount the fat32 and create a swapfile there? | 09:45 |
| ogra | sure, but then you need harddisks and could make local installs and just mount /home from a cerntral server | 09:45 |
| Absorto | theres no support for swapfiles whatsoever? | 09:45 |
| ogra | sure there is | 09:45 |
| Absorto | just not over nfs... | 09:45 |
| Absorto | yeah, i have drives. Its just much easier to admin if they net-boot. | 09:45 |
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| francoisb | Bonsoir tous | 09:47 |
| Absorto | hello! | 09:48 |
| Absorto | brb | 09:48 |
| francoisb | Trying in french first : J'ai install edubuntu dans une ecole de 3 classes avec 3 utilisateurs. Ets il possible de connecter 2 clients avec le meme utilisateur? | 09:49 |
| francoisb | Trying in english : is it possible to use 2 thin client with the same user id? | 09:51 |
| ogra | there is a bug in gnome-settings-daemon which will break the themes ... | 09:51 |
| ogra | its solved in the next release of gnome ... | 09:51 |
| francoisb | I've noticed it. | 09:52 |
| ogra | so yes, but you have to live without themes on the second login | 09:52 |
| francoisb | I've tried to use Openoffice and the two text opened in the same screen. | 09:53 |
| ogra | indeed, its the same desktop ... | 09:53 |
| lucasvo | francoisb: the same is with gstreamer apps(also totem) | 09:54 |
| francoisb | Wil it be corrected? | 09:54 |
| lucasvo | is it possible to use same homedir for 2 users? | 09:54 |
| lucasvo | francoisb: it is quite hard to do it | 09:54 |
| ogra | francoisb: thats no bug | 09:54 |
| lucasvo | one would have to change the whole program, let's say it is not the purpose of the programm to run on two machines with one user | 09:55 |
| ogra | if you log in with the same user twice you are logged in to the same desktop twice | 09:55 |
| lucasvo | one could try to use same homedir for 2 users | 09:55 |
| ogra | or a shread folder | 09:56 |
| lucasvo | shread? | 09:56 |
| ogra | shared | 09:56 |
| lucasvo | ah | 09:56 |
| lucasvo | yes | 09:56 |
| francoisb | I thought that different processes would sent to the two IP of the thin clients. | 09:56 |
| lucasvo | there will be problems with chown | 09:56 |
| ogra | but using the same user twice on the same machine gives you the same desktop, thats expected behavior and logical ... | 09:56 |
| ogra | nope, everything runs on the server | 09:57 |
| ogra | only the display is exported to the clients | 09:57 |
| ogra | imagine a PC with two monitors, keyboards and mice ... | 09:58 |
| ogra | (or more than two) | 09:58 |
| francoisb | It's for pupils aged 7, I don't want to create one user per person. | 09:59 |
| francoisb | So, I think I'll make one user per client, with a shared folder... | 10:01 |
| ogra | yup | 10:02 |
| ogra | sounds sane | 10:02 |
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| francoisb | Another question : is it planed to have a preconfigured samba? | 10:06 |
| ogra | a samba server ? | 10:07 |
| francoisb | Just to exchange files with a Windows PC. | 10:07 |
| ogra | you can use nautilus as client for a windows PC/network | 10:08 |
| ogra | and the samba server is also installed by default | 10:08 |
| ogra | just configure it with the shared folders admin | 10:09 |
| ogra | it would be a bit pointless to have a preconfigured samba server if you want to integrate it in a windows network .... you need to adjust it anyway to work with the existing net | 10:10 |
| francoisb | Installed, yes, but there are lines to write (chmod for a samba folder, create a samba user.) | 10:11 |
| ogra | nope | 10:11 |
| ogra | just use the shares admin tool from the menu | 10:11 |
| ogra | no need to touch configs | 10:11 |
| francoisb | All right, I'll try | 10:12 |
| ogra | have to reboot, bbl | 10:12 |
| francoisb | Goodbye. | 10:14 |
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