[12:04] I'll just take my own /opt/ltsp [12:05] moin [12:06] hey amu !!!! [12:06] mherweg, http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/bzr-archive/ltsp/multiarch/ [12:07] copy the ltsp-build-client and ltsp-update-kernels to your system ... (/usr/sbin/) [12:07] <\sh> hey amu :) [12:07] then ltsp-build-client has an --arch i386 option [12:07] ogra: wanna check if you converted to a kde guy, heard you wanna replace gnome, here i'm ;) [12:07] haha [12:08] i'll never convert ;) [12:08] but its good to see you here :) [12:08] :) we'll see [12:08] i converted once .... to GNOME :) === pc22 [n=arik@222.126.13.162] has joined #edubuntu [12:10] checkput the kiosktools a wounderfull thing for edubuntu, especially for schools *g* [12:12] s/checkput/checkout === Lord_Athur is now known as Athur_Ocupado [12:19] amu, they cant cope with sabayon === \sh is now known as \sh_away [12:22] ogra, i upgraded to backported kde3.5 packages. The bug is fixed. [12:22] great :) [12:22] glad you got it running [12:23] yes! I'm glad too. [12:23] :) === mherweg [n=lehrer@i577AC2DB.versanet.de] has joined #edubuntu === mherweg [n=lehrer@i577AC2DB.versanet.de] has joined #edubuntu === Burgwork [n=corey@S010600131016cf6f.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #edubuntu === Athur_Ocupado is now known as Lord_Athur [12:30] is there a complete list of applications included in edubuntu on the wiki? [12:30] yes ... [12:31] not on the wiki though [12:31] do I have to cut apart edubuntu-meta? [12:31] http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/seeds/edubuntu-breezy/desktop [12:32] can I use a ISDN card to go online with an edubuntu-server ? [12:32] there is a section = EduBuntu specific Software = [12:32] mherweg, yup [12:32] ogra, cheers [12:32] Burgwork, thats the desktop part ... [12:33] http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/seeds/edubuntu-breezy/server [12:33] thats for the server [12:34] mhz_stuff, !!!! [12:35] === amu is now known as amU [12:46] ogra, thanks [12:46] ogra, is there also a list of rejected apps? [12:46] there are none [12:47] thats the list we worked out with the teachers at the first edubuntu summit ... [12:47] we'll have another summit (i hope) for dapper+1 [12:48] the prob is that i'm already at 680MB with this list ... there is not much space left [12:48] cool [12:49] i'd love to drop th ekdeedu stuff if there were some equivlent in gnome ... then i could get rid of the kdelibs and the kde language packs ... they take a hell lot of space === Absorto likes kde. [12:50] Absorto, yes, but mixing gnome and KDE is not a good idea space wise [12:51] amU, is probably building a kedubuntu ... [12:51] good idea [12:52] ogra, now that you mention it... how would one go about removing all things gnome now that i've setup kubuntu-destkop? [12:52] remove th elowest level... i.e. look for libgtk or libgnome ... [12:53] it will take the depending stuff with it [12:53] let's see... [12:56] why, that seems about right! removing libgnome2-0... [12:58] Absorto: how did you install kde ? do you use kdm ? [12:59] mherweg, i apt-got kubuntu-desktop. And yes, kdm. [12:59] ok [01:00] ogra, we are just talking at work here about including some education software and the lead developer has just about vetoed any kde libs [01:00] heh [01:00] that gets hard ... kdeedu is a great suite .... [01:00] yes [01:00] have you looked at childsplay (I haven't, just wondering) [01:00] yes [01:01] how does it compare to gcompris? [01:01] its as big as gcompris and aims to be the successor [01:01] but crrently i thing gcompris has more contributors ... === robitaille [n=robitail@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #edubuntu [01:09] LTSP became very similar ti lessdisks since MueKow, i did not read the ltsp website & ML for a while [01:10] /usr/sbin/ltsp-build-client: line 274: debconf-get-selections: command not found [01:10] ? [01:10] serios or not ? [01:11] heh... intresting ... [01:13] try to comment line 274 [01:17] ogra, is it very difficult to net-boot a thick client? I was thinking i could use nss-mysql to take care of authentication etc. and with a P4 and 256MB ram this clients aren't very thin. [01:17] now it starts to download everything again :-( i need some kind of proxy [01:19] Absorto: knoppix terminalserver is for diskless fat clients [01:19] mherweg, i tried that, but its knoppix flavour. A kubuntu flavour would rock! === Orby [i=grant@85-210-26-139.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #edubuntu [01:20] mherweg, use --mirror file://cdrom if you gont a CD [01:20] *got [01:20] try to use the knoppix technology (unionfs) on top of kubuntu [01:20] it will be in dapper [01:20] i think remastering knoppix to make it kubuntu is too much effort... [01:20] (unionfs) [01:21] its been highly unstable until some weeks ago [01:21] ogra: cool ! thanks - MUCH faster [01:22] :) === Lord_Athur [n=alejandr@pc-30-37-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu [01:22] hi === Burgwork [n=corey@S010600131016cf6f.gv.shawcable.net] has left #edubuntu ["Leaving"] [01:30] bye [01:31] the terminal is booting to console login: - but it takes a lot of time, LTSP becomes slower with every Version [01:31] nope [01:31] it becomes faster [01:31] it *can* only become faster [01:32] since we started off with 90sec ;) === ealden [n=ealden@219.90.91.95] has joined #edubuntu [01:32] my current setup boots in 61sec ... and for dapper release it will be down to 45sec [01:32] ltsp 2.x was the first and the fastest that I know: a kernel , a script, an X-server - nothing more [01:33] yes, but non upgradeable ... [01:33] i know [01:34] the prob in breezy is (as you see on all the error mesages while booting) that we install a normal bases system [01:34] for dapper i made a lot of tweaks to make a real minimal system out of it ... [01:35] indeed you have to pay for a default ubuntu kernel and 100% X autodetection... [01:35] i see [01:35] as well as hrdware detection in general [01:36] the advantage is that you can plug in *every* client into ubuntu ... [01:36] classic ltsp boots in less than 20sec [01:36] but has a non modular kernel and no X detection [01:38] compare http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/edubuntu/breezy-20051113-1.png with http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/edubuntu/dapper-20051205-1.png , thats my work of the last weeks ... [01:40] ic [01:43] we'll cut down the X detection by about 10 sec and we'll achieve ~15sec from the normal ubuntu bootprocess speedup going on ... [01:43] and there is still space to optimize more in dapper+1 === JayAllen [n=jay@c-24-16-32-60.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #edubuntu [01:57] Sigh. [01:58] Bought a NetGear FA311. Plugged it in. STILL no network. === ulinskie [n=yolynne@202.57.88.34] has joined #edubuntu [02:09] re === mhz_stuff is now known as mhz === Reepicheep [n=Reepiche@204.234.49.250] has joined #edubuntu === pc22 [n=hejj@222.126.13.162] has joined #edubuntu === paolob [n=donpaolo@120stb41.codetel.net.do] has joined #edubuntu === BenC [n=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #edubuntu [03:07] Hi ogra [03:07] hi mhz [03:08] paolob: hi man [03:10] mhz, ogra, I keep having problems with the clients' boot. After "nfs-premount...Done" some client (sometimes a bigger number, sometimes a lesser one) waits a very very long time: 10-15-30 minutes!!!! What could be the reason? what could I do? [03:10] hmmmmmmm === mhz thinking === Lord_Athur [n=alejandr@pc-30-37-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu [03:10] how can I umount the cd-rom when the cd is being used for something [03:10] Lord_Athur: I think you definitely must stop using it. [03:11] Lord_Athur: usually, you have to make sure the /cd dir is not being used by someone [03:11] using what? [03:11] or kill the program that is using it [03:11] then, you'll be able to umount it [03:11] then, how can I know what's using it? [03:11] hmmm, good question [03:12] jajaja [03:12] if you are the only user... [03:12] simply changing to your home dir will do [03:12] and the root [03:13] I work more as root [03:13] ??????????/ [03:13] Lord_Athur: you should not do that [03:13] why? [03:13] esp. if you dont know how to stop and umount your cd :D [03:13] my user is not in the sudo group [03:14] this does not allow me to work very well [03:14] Lord_Athur u using edubuntu now? [03:14] Lord_Athur: mounting or umounting is not 'dangerous' [03:14] so you could let all users do that [03:14] pc22, no, I am using debian [03:15] mhz, [03:15] what? [03:15] the terminal told me that only the root can umount the cd-rom [03:17] from tomorrow I will not have debian [03:17] :D [03:17] Lord_Athur: then, as root, do this: adduser tu_mismo cdrom [03:17] is edubuntu cool? [03:17] pc22: indeed [03:17] of course! [03:18] pc22: edubuntu = Ubuntu + LTSP (modified) + educational apps. [03:18] so it is ubuntu [03:18] and if you like ubuntu... edubuntu is cool [03:18] Lord_Athur: fuser /cdrom [03:19] mhz: no idea about that delay problem? [03:20] paolob: I was googling about it [03:20] but no ida yet :( [03:20] did you ask the #ltsp guys? [03:20] Some client boot quite rapidly, others last very much to get the graphic login. [03:21] and if you change the boot order is the same thing? [03:22] mhz: what boot order? [03:22] I boot all the clients together [03:23] per clients. I mean if you boot #3 , #4, #5 and then boot all over again #4, #3, #5 ? [03:23] (was an example) [03:23] mhz whats ltsp? [03:24] Linux Terminal Server Project [03:24] mhz: is it wrong to boot all the clients together? [03:24] pc22: 1 central server (powerful) connected to # of thin old clients (with no HD) [03:25] paolob: mhhh, i dont know, that's why I suggested that option [03:25] to find out if the problem still existed in that booting sequence [03:25] :) [03:27] mhz: tomorrow I'm going to try out booting the clients one at a time [03:27] good idea [03:27] or boot group of 2 or 3 at the same time [03:28] the idea is to get a picture of what the possible causes may be === Lord_Athur [n=alejandr@pc-30-37-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu === Lord_Athur [n=alejandr@pc-30-37-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has left #edubuntu ["Abandonando"] === paolob is going to bed [03:34] Well, thanks all! Good night! [03:34] paolob: sleep well [03:34] count some sheeps? [03:34] :-) Voy a soar con los angelitos :-) [03:34] oh de veraas? === paolob [n=donpaolo@120stb41.codetel.net.do] has left #edubuntu ["ci] === pitux [n=pitux@128-176-222-201.adsl.terra.cl] has joined #edubuntu === sankarshan [n=sankarsh@220.227.211.249] has joined #edubuntu === kjcole [n=kjcole@dsl092-145-217.wdc2.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #edubuntu === UCARpeterb [n=chatzill@c-67-162-138-236.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #edubuntu === UCARpeterb is now known as pburkholder === Reepicheep [n=Reepiche@68-113-178-4.dhcp.krny.ne.charter.com] has joined #edubuntu === robitaille [n=robitail@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #edubuntu === pburkholder is now known as pburkholder_ === mhz [n=mhz_chil@pc-252-84-215-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu === mhz [n=mhz_chil@pc-252-84-215-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu [05:40] hi all === pburkholder_ is now known as pburkholder === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #edubuntu [05:53] highvoltage: awake? [05:54] mhz: barely [05:55] mhz: just arrived at work [05:55] cool [05:55] I am about to go to bed [05:55] and wanted to know if you saw what hno73 did to TOC site? (you helped him?) === mhz [n=mhz_chil@pc-252-84-215-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu [05:56] re [05:56] sorry, bad mouse! [06:01] mhz: sorry, got distracted. no, i didn't help him. [06:01] link? [06:06] http://new-www.theopencd.org/Welcome [06:06] gee [06:06] that url was hard to get [06:06] I really think he (they?) did an amzing job [06:06] and it's moin! :D [06:10] highvoltage: so, what you think? [06:15] it looks nice! [06:16] ok [06:16] highvoltage: when do you think it will be possible to test/help Drupal for Edubuntu? [06:16] but like hno73 said, you can do anything visually, it's just a matter of editing the stylesheets. [06:16] yup [06:17] and he also did some tweaking here and there [06:17] and used some naughty boy tricks :) [06:24] heh [06:28] highvoltage: when do you think it will be possible to test/help Drupal for Edubuntu? === zakame [n=zak@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #edubuntu === highvoltage makes mental note to answer mhz when he's back === robitaille [n=robitail@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #edubuntu === JaneW [n=JaneW@dsl-165-120-130.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #edubuntu === juliux [n=juliux@ubuntu/member/juliux] has joined #edubuntu === mchua [n=mchua@nat-pool-128-106.olin.edu] has joined #edubuntu === jeffbuntu [n=chatzill@i3se011a.univ-brest.fr] has joined #edubuntu [09:29] hi, i've a little problem with evince (edubuntu5.10) it can't open one pdf file ==> evince-thumbnailer take 100%cpu endless (but acrobat can open this file) ? === \sh_away is now known as \sh [09:49] is there a live cd for edubuntu available for download? === jinty [n=jinty@205.134.224.215] has joined #edubuntu [10:25] actually just saw an interesting article regarding http://opencd.org which is based on ubunutu plus some extras and you can easily add the edu package to after the primary install [10:25] uh rather [10:26] uf you choose to install [10:26] it also runs ubuntu live cd I suppose === Katsumoto [n=teraflop@bbned225-210-100.dsl.hccnet.nl] has joined #edubuntu === guim is now known as GUIM === P3L|C4N0 [n=gcamposm@201.230.146.80] has joined #edubuntu === \sh is now known as \sh_away === \sh_away is now known as \sh === hnschl [n=hnschl@dhcp-78-108.uni-paderborn.de] has joined #edubuntu [12:30] **Reminder** Weekly Dev Update meeting in #ubuntu-meeting in 30 mins === jane_ [n=JaneW@dsl-165-120-130.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #edubuntu [12:41] crap, I'd better get coffee right now then :) [12:41] heh === ogra waits for the kino build to finish ... === ealden [n=ealden@219.90.93.246] has joined #edubuntu === sven-tek [n=sven-tek@p508E5593.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #edubuntu === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #edubuntu === kjcole [n=kjcole@dsl092-145-217.wdc2.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #edubuntu === zakame [n=zak@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #edubuntu === ulinskie [n=yolynne@202.57.88.34] has joined #edubuntu [01:14] highvoltage: ping -> #ubuntu-meeting please [01:16] edubuntu meeting now? [01:21] yes === juliux_ [n=julius@irz727.inf.tu-dresden.de] has joined #edubuntu === mhz [n=mhz_chil@pc-252-84-215-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu [01:22] heya mhz :D [01:22] hey.. === mhz running to leave === amU is now known as amu === zakame_ [n=zak@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #edubuntu === zakame_ is now known as zakame === pirast [n=pirast@p508B2B82.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #edubuntu === Lord_Athur [n=alejandr@pc-30-37-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu [02:45] janeW: pong, been in important meeting [02:45] (not that edubuntu is unimportant) === mchua [n=mchua@nat-pool-128-106.olin.edu] has left #edubuntu [] === pitux [n=jose@113-28-118.adsl.cust.tie.cl] has joined #edubuntu === GUIM is now known as guim === kjcole [n=kjcole@pchb1f.gallaudet.edu] has joined #edubuntu === jsgotangco [n=jsg@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #edubuntu === sankarshan is now known as sm|home === Coza [n=coza@196.36.10.138] has joined #edubuntu === pitux [n=jose@138-42-246-201.adsl.terra.cl] has joined #edubuntu === Lord_Athur [n=alejandr@pc-30-37-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu [04:39] ogra, or ogra_ [04:39] what's the person that made edubuntu8? [04:39] Lord_Athur: ogra :D [04:39] edubuntu8 ? [04:39] ok [04:39] we are only at edubuntu1 yet ;) [04:39] jejeje the number was an error [04:40] Lord_Athur: Shuttleworth [04:40] what's that lucasvo ? [04:40] Lord_Athur: the man who pays ogra [04:40] Lord_Athur: canonical? [04:41] I know something about canonical [04:41] but is Shuttleworth here? === pitux [n=jose@138-42-246-201.adsl.terra.cl] has joined #edubuntu [04:43] well i was only searching mhz [04:43] and he is not here [04:44] I'll see in the channel after any minutes [04:44] by [04:44] e [04:45] ldm themes aren't gdm compatible, are they? [04:46] not really [04:47] i mean it uses similar wording for the pics, so GDM themes may work on ldm ... but not the other way around, since i dont use xml files [04:48] ok === Absorto [i=rodrigo@200.78.190.13] has joined #edubuntu === pirast [n=pirast@p508B2B82.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #edubuntu === mherweg [n=mherweg@p508E4151.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #edubuntu === Reepicheep [n=Reepiche@204.234.49.250] has joined #edubuntu === Lord_Athur [n=alejandr@pc-30-37-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu === \sh is now known as \sh_away === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.207.45.254] has joined #edubuntu === Lord_Athur [n=alejandr@pc-30-37-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #edubuntu === konfuzed [n=KonfuzeD@H129.C72.B0.tor.eicat.ca] has joined #edubuntu === paolob [n=donpaolo@120stb41.codetel.net.do] has joined #edubuntu [06:37] hi ogra [06:37] hi [06:37] hi ogra and paolob [06:37] You know, I keeps having problems with the clients' boot [06:37] hi highvoltage [06:37] hi paolob highvoltage ogra [06:37] ;) [06:37] hi juliux [06:38] hi juliux :) (and everyone else) [06:38] ogra: they have a loooooooooong delay (15-30 minutes!) after executing the script nfs-remount. [06:38] geepers, i would've gotten impatient after 10 minutes. [06:38] Some client never arrive to present the gui [06:38] i have no idea, sounds rather like a network thing ... [06:39] sounds like some kind of lookup not happening, to take a guess. [06:39] I think the problem is in the nfs script, in the nfsmount instrccions: I may guess it is expecting something like a IP address. [06:39] did you enter a hostname instead? [06:40] I saw another strange thing too: the server's syslog reports me that every client, after receiving its IP, negotiates another during the first stages of the boot. Is it normal? [06:40] yep. [06:41] etherboot or pxe will request an address. [06:41] and when linux starts up, it will request an address again. [06:41] highvoltage: but then, what of the two is going to be the client's IP? [06:42] both, they should be the same. [06:42] ?!? [06:42] dhcpd will create a lease period for that client based on the network card's mac address [06:42] so it will get the same IP address both times when it requests an address. [06:43] no, they are different! [06:43] that's very, very strange. [06:43] I tried with only one client. Syslog shows: [06:43] dhcp: DHCPDISCOVER [06:44] dhcp: DHCPOFFER 192.168.0.250 [06:44] dhcp: DHCPREQUEST 192.168.0.250 [06:44] dhcp: DHCPACK 192.168.0.250 [06:44] mountd: authenticated mountrequest from 192.168.0.177 for /opt/ltsp/i386 [06:45] dhcp: DHCPOFFER 192.168.0.249 [06:45] dhcp: DHCPREQUEST 192.168.0.249 [06:45] dhcp: DHCPACK 192.168.0.249 [06:45] dhcp: DHCPREQUEST 192.168.0.249 [06:45] dhcp: DHCPACK 192.168.0.249 [06:45] [06:46] What does it mean? In particular that 177 from mountd in the middle.... [06:46] i don't know. i wish i could be there to check in person, i haven't seen that before. [06:47] was only one client switched on at this point? [06:47] and do you only have one dhcp server running on the network? [06:49] highvoltage: there was only one client, and the server is one computer. [06:50] highvoltage: the server has a /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf and a /etc/dhcp3/dhcpd.conf . Are there two dhcpd servers? [06:52] dont touch the latter .... [06:52] its the generic dhcpd file ... [06:53] what ip did the booted client have in your above example ? [06:53] apparently 192.168.0.177 mounted the rootfs [06:54] so i'd guess the clients ip was the same [06:54] ogra: that was before the nfs-premount delay [06:54] the nfs-* scripts are just empty dummys [06:55] the problem must be somethjing else [06:55] ogra: but they are there, and are executed! They are in (let me try to remember) /usr/share/......./scripts/nfs-*** [06:56] look into such a script... [06:56] and they are not executed from /usr/share ;) [06:56] ogra: actually I saw the script i have the delay in there [06:56] its empty ... [06:56] I am not on the server, the server still isn't on the internet [06:57] none of the nfs-* scripts have any content ... [06:58] after the nfs-* scrpts are executed the nfs script is run, but that also only contains one line that matters ... [06:58] ogra: but I _did_ open the script/nfs file, and it wasn't empty. It called script/nfs-top, then script/nfs-premount, then had a nfsmount , and then called script/nfs-bottom [06:58] read what i wrote [06:59] ogra: but then what the hell did I see? [07:00] the nfs script (note, not the nfs-* scripts) has one valid line, thats just calling nfsmount [07:00] I think that the delay is there [07:00] the rest is empty and thought for possible enhancements in the future [07:01] yes, but that can only be the nfsmount command ... [07:01] which would either indicate a network problem or something being wrong with the nfs server [07:01] How can I get more information on that nfsmount? Syslog doesn't tell me anything till the mount is done. I must understand why it lasts so much [07:02] you have the mount attempt in your log above ... [07:02] mountd: authenticated mountrequest from 192.168.0.177 for /opt/ltsp/i386 [07:02] Actually I could see various DHCPOFFER/REQUEST/ACK with various IP [07:02] ignore that === Lord_Athur [i=alejandr@pc-30-37-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu [07:03] the only intresting piece is the mountrequest line [07:03] or do you run any other dhcp server in the network ? [07:03] ogra: but apparently the client doesn't find a valid IP to mount, apparently it tryed many IP before finding the right one [07:04] ogra: when I installed edubuntu I was in a net with this pc, I think it has a dhcp server... let me see [07:04] tzhere is only one mount attempt in your log above [07:04] ~$ ps ax|grep dhcp [07:04] 7584 ? Ss 0:00 /usr/sbin/dhcpd3 -q eth0 [07:04] Yes I have [07:05] better, I had when I first installed edubuntu and had it working with a client [07:05] now the server only is connected to its clients [07:07] the above looks like you have running two ... [07:09] ogra: i.e I have two dhcpd server on the same edubuntu server? [07:09] that doesnt work [07:09] nope, i mean you have two servers running in the net [07:11] ogra: but the server isn't connected to the net :-) [07:14] what ip does the server have ? === \sh_away is now known as \sh === Lord_Athur [i=alejandr@pc-30-37-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu [07:17] ogra: 192.168.0.15 [07:18] I put that address because I think to connect it in the future to a local net where the IP 192.168.0.1-10 are already in use [07:18] thats fine [07:19] ogra: how can I debug the nfsmount process? [07:20] thats [07:20] how a normal dhcp handshake looks on n edubuntu http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/5486 [07:24] ogra: I can try to bring here a copy of syslog. Or is some better log file? [07:24] gaim is so buggy [07:24] *crap* ! [07:25] paolob: you can paste it anywhere [07:25] but i'm running out of time [07:25] we have a developer meeting at 3am (my time) today and i have to prepare a lot [07:25] ogra: anyway it will be tomorrow [07:26] use pastebin, as the topic suggests === paolob thank ogra and all the other edubuntu developpers [07:26] ogra: 3am? poor ogra :D [07:27] yup, rotating time ... [07:29] bye all === Lord_Athur [i=alejandr@pc-30-37-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu === \sh is now known as \sh_away === \sh_away is now known as \sh === Lord_Athur [i=alejandr@pc-30-37-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu [08:41] hello! say... i just logged into a thin cilent and there's no loopback interface [08:41] i believe that's making things difficult to the portmaper. how come there's no lo? [08:42] I read /etc/network/interfaces and it's there, but it's down. === Lord_Athur [i=alejandr@pc-30-37-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu [08:48] anybody know anything about mhz? [08:49] he is from chile :) [08:49] jajaja [08:50] but I had to meet him this morning and he did not call me [08:50] and he is not here [08:50] :S [08:51] he was shotrly in the edubuntu meeting today and sent his update to the mailing list since he couldnt stay until the end of the meeting [08:51] dunno what he did during the day [08:51] what does the word shotrly mean? [08:51] shortly [08:51] has it got a synonim? [08:51] was a typo === hvanegas [n=hvanegas@200.75.68.88] has joined #edubuntu [08:52] short ... [08:52] jajaja [08:52] ok === Gnimsh [i=Gnimsh@149.84.92.24] has joined #edubuntu [09:00] hi [09:00] hi [09:01] Just wondering what the difference is between ubuntu and edubuntu? [09:01] mainly LTSP [09:01] the educational apps [09:02] I don't know that is [09:02] what that is* [09:02] and different artwork [09:02] oh === TheMafia [n=TheMafia@12-221-115-249.client.insightBB.com] has joined #edubuntu [09:02] the linux terminal server project [09:02] by default the CD installs a terminal server you can use with diskless clients in a classroom [09:02] oh I see. the artwork does look like its for kids [09:02] cool [09:04] ogra,will we be able to make our own graphical enviroment for edubuntu? [09:05] someone with an unique and special artwork [09:05] can this be possible as an official edubuntu project? [09:05] not offical, but thats possible ... [09:06] :D [09:07] then, does edubuntu want to continue with gnome officially ? [09:07] how about edkubuntu? [09:08] edubuntu with kubuntu? [09:08] yeah, perhaps! [09:08] I'd be same to edubuntu with gnome [09:09] kde & gnome are of other projects of ubuntu, It would not be in edubuntu [09:09] not officially ... [09:09] but feel free to create it ;) [09:09] yeah, i guess you can have it if you really want it. In fact, I do. I installed edubuntu and am enjoying ltsp much. But then installed kubuntu-desktop and am in bliss. [09:09] :D [09:10] is there a way to download a version of edubuntu to modify? [09:10] cdimage.ubuntu.com [09:10] grab the iso and modify it [09:12] mmm [09:12] haven't you got a wiki page (or a howto) to visit and learn about modifying distros? [09:13] i gave it to you ... 6 or 8 times in the last 2 weeks ... [09:13] search the wiki, for install CD customization [09:14] :D [09:15]