[01:44] <allee> Riddell: maybe too late for me to get it, but
[01:44] <allee> -         mkdir -p po
[01:44] <allee> +         mkdir -p po/*.pot
[01:44] <allee> in KubuntuPackaging makes no sense to me
[01:46] <Riddell> allee: where is that?
[01:46] <Tm_T> I'm using amaroK svn trunk already ;)
[01:47] <allee> http://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuPackagingGuide change of you 2 hours ago
[01:47] <Riddell> allee: well spotted :)  fixed
[01:47] <Riddell> I hope I havn't done that in any of the actualy package
[01:47] <Riddell> I hope I havn't done that in any of the actualy packages
[01:51] <allee> Riddell: mhm, mkdir -p po ==> test -d po || mkdir po
[01:53] <allee> Riddell: how well rosetta with work done by the KDE translator that will show in future releases
[01:53] <allee> Isn't this asking for duplicate work?
[01:54] <allee> Riddell: AFAIU the only save thing is to translate the manpages.  never saw them translated by the KDE translation teams
[01:57] <Riddell> allee: what's the difference between mkdir -p po and test -d po || mkdir po ?
[01:59] <Riddell> allee: I'm hoping KDE translation teams will start using rosetta at least for their less technical translators (who don't want to learn svn etc) so it'll be part of the KDE i18n teams not duplicate
[02:00] <Riddell> and I think they can register to be notified if they don't use rosetta but some random person comes along and translates something
[02:00] <Riddell> and rosetta will take a feed fristly from kde-i18n packages but soon from SVN so it'll be kept up to date and there won't be an opportunity for duplication
[02:00] <Riddell> allee: can you generate .pot files from the manpages?
[02:06] <allee> Riddell: not from manpages AFAIK, but KDE decomposites their docbook handbooks in pot/po files (so kbabel can be used for translation)
[02:07] <allee> Riddell: sync with KDE svn translations is a nontrival task because often KDE translators do not know with branch is the current one :(
[02:08] <allee> Riddell: what branch to translate is announced usually on kde-i18n-doc.
[02:09] <Riddell> yes
[02:11] <allee> Riddell: my feeling is that only KDE apps registered by upstream or MOTU in rosetta should be offered for translation
[02:15] <Riddell> the rosetta developers have thought about all this and do have appropriate measures in place
[02:15] <Riddell> I just can't remember what they all are at the moment :)
[02:16] <allee> I keep my fingers crossed! Really ;)
[02:18] <freeflying> Riddell: hi
[02:18] <Riddell> hi freeflying 
[02:18] <freeflying> Riddell: how about the skim package   :)
[02:18] <Riddell> I'm about to go to bed but feel free to remind me about revu's and main inclusion reports and I should be able to do them sometime tomorrow :)
[02:19] <freeflying> Riddell:  there are someone in debian mentor looking for sponsor for upload skim 
[02:22] <allee> Riddell: Well, I trust you, just ;) want to mention that search for rosetta or ubuntu in kde-i18n-doc found nothing.
[02:24] <Riddell> allee: that's because KDE stuff hasn't been in rosetta before so I havn't made any noise there
[02:24] <allee> 'k. nite Riddell 
[08:53] <viviersf> erm
[08:53] <viviersf> kde 3.5s theme is weird
[08:57] <Tm_T> nah
[08:57] <Tm_T> http://www.kapsi.fi/~tm_travolta/kuvat/temp/foo/foo_090.png
[08:57] <Tm_T> oh you mean defaults?
[08:58] <Tm_T> uh... well, I have mostly default icon theme? mostly...
[09:05] <freeflying> Tm_T may I know which font are y using 
[09:06] <Tm_T> what one
[09:06] <Tm_T> there's several fonts
[09:06] <Tm_T> some of them are modified by me
[09:07] <Tm_T> freeflying: ?
[09:07] <freeflying> Tm_T in the konsole
[09:07] <Tm_T> ah, DejaVu Mono I think
[09:08] <Tm_T> yes, DejaVu Sanss Mono
[09:08] <Tm_T> -s
[09:08] <freeflying> Tm_T I like this font 
[09:08] <Tm_T> I like too
[09:08] <Tm_T> I use it almost everywhere
[09:09] <seaLne> looks very similar to bitstream vera sans mono
[09:10] <freeflying> seaLne it seems more clear tan bitstream vera sans mono
[09:11] <Tm_T> http://www.kapsi.fi/~tm_travolta/kuvat/temp/foo/fonts-1.png
[09:11] <Tm_T> it is almost the same
[09:11] <Tm_T> DejaVu is next generation of Bitstream
[09:12] <Tm_T> full name of fonts is Bitstream DejaVu Sans Mono  and so on
[09:12] <Tm_T> and yes, bit cleaner
[09:14] <seaLne> ah right, in the preview font selector i couldn't really see any diff
[09:15] <seaLne> in fact just changed to it and i can't see any diff :)
[09:26] <Tm_T> yes, only small changes
[09:26] <Tm_T> you can see differences when you open those fonts in fontforge
[09:26] <Tm_T> but, when you have good product, there's no point to chane it much ;)
[09:27] <Tm_T> +g
[11:05] <\sh> bah..fixing my kubuntu-doc bug
[11:08] <viviersf> Riddell : ping
[12:31] <amU> Riddell: ping
[12:46] <viviersf> amU, he aint here q:P
[12:46] <viviersf> pinged him 4 hours ago
[12:49] <amU> just wanna ask to protest against the the latest news in .fr against free software, with a a complete translated kubuntulive in frensh ;) 
[01:22] <Riddell> amU: hi
[01:22] <Riddell> viviersf: hi
[01:24] <amU> 12:39 < amU> just wanna ask to protest against the the latest news in .fr
[01:24] <amU>              against free software, with a a complete translated kubuntulive in
[01:24] <amU>              frensh ;)
[01:25] <amU> JRe: ? 
[01:25] <Riddell> amU: sounds great
[01:25] <JRe> amU: 
[01:25] <amU> maybe an storry for dot.kde woth :) 
[01:26] <amU> s/woth/worth 
[01:28] <JRe> amu: you want a french translation ?
[01:28] <amu> JRe: as i remember you live in .fr ? 
[01:28] <JRe> amu: yeah
[01:29] <amu> JRe: no need everthing is arviable, maybe an modified bootsplash  
[01:29] <JRe> amu: translating bootsplash in fr?
[01:30] <amu> Riddell: do you want me, to include also KDE-core in this thing? 
[01:30] <Riddell> amu: s4re
[01:31] <amu> Riddell: ok i'll phone to martin 
[01:33] <amu> JRe: ex. the isolinux.txt and something like a modified protest bootsplash 
[01:34] <JRe> amu: I have to take a look into that
[01:34] <amu> ^Xsplash.rle
[01:34] <amu> Pour lancer le live CD, appuyez simplement sur ENTER.
[01:34] <amu> Au cas ou le processus d'amorcage ne reussit pas, vous pouvez avoir plus de
[01:34] <amu> conseils en appuyant sur [F1] 
[01:35] <amu> JRe: that's what i have
[01:36] <JRe> amu: it seems to be the correct translation
[01:37] <JRe> amu: except that there is no accents at all
[01:43] <freeflying> Riddell: hi
[01:58] <Riddell> freeflying: hi
[01:58] <Riddell> amu: who's martin?
[01:58] <amu> Riddell: all right, we should send a draft about it, to kde-ev-marketing@kde.oth cc: to Torsten.Rahn@credativ.de and martin.konold@efrakon.de 
[01:58] <amu> martin konold 
[01:58] <amu> Riddell: now i'm calling FSF-europe 
[02:00] <freeflying> will the MainInclusionReportTtfarphicuming be brought to thic council
[02:02] <freeflying> Riddell: and people come from korea and japan localteam are interesting in BetterCJKSupport 
[02:02] <freeflying> Riddell: I wonder if this spec can be discussed again
[02:05] <Riddell> freeflying: I'll take a look at it then one of the higher up people needs to approve
[02:06] <Riddell> freeflying: great, we need more CJK people
[02:07] <freeflying> Riddell: we hope that the problem list on BetterCJKSupport spec can be solved in dapper
[02:08] <freeflying> Riddell:  users of CJK are tired of these problems
[02:28] <sebas> What french news are you referring to?
[02:29] <hunger> sebas: I guess to the "free SW should be banned" stuff going on there?
[02:29] <sebas> I'n not aware of that, do you have a link?
[02:29] <hunger> sebas: I read about it yesterday... let me check.
[02:30] <hunger> sebas: http://www.fsffrance.org/news/article2005-11-25.en.html
[02:30] <sebas> hunger: Thanks.
[02:32] <sebas> Hm, that sounds _really_ absurd.
[02:32] <hunger> sebas: It does, doesn't it.
[02:32] <hunger> sebas: Some idiots have no clue and make a fuss about that:-(
[02:33] <sebas> And a pretty biased lobby behind it, *sigh*.
[02:35] <hunger> sebas: It is the typical "Thou shall consume without questioning" lobby:-(
[02:36] <sebas> Jup.
[03:17] <\sh> lamont-away: don't touch it 
[03:17] <\sh> lamont-away: I'm working on new packages
[03:18] <\sh> FOR 3.5 ,)
[03:20] <Tm_T> \sh: oh, good
[03:35] <viviersf> whats wrong with the packages ?
[03:37] <\sh> viviersf: it's not compatible with 3.5 
[03:37] <sebas> \sh: Didn't Jim's suggestions fix it? 
[03:37] <\sh> viviersf: some api stuff is not there, and it has some errors in building the sources...so I hope upstream will release a new snapshot tonite
[03:37] <sebas> (Only read it briefly ...)
[03:38] <\sh> sebas: yes...but I'm actually not a fan of "send no-patches but suggestions via ml" :)
[03:38] <\sh> sebas: he wants to release tonite or tomorrow some new snapshot archives
[03:38] <sebas> \sh: Heh, right.
[03:39] <sebas> pykde is always snapshot, plus sent-in patches from the last year :|
[03:39] <\sh> sebas: sad but true
[03:39] <sebas> Is the QString error fixed in the meantime? :D
[03:39] <sebas> QString vs. QCString, IIRC
[03:39] <\sh> sebas: if it's writting in the missing changelog_
[03:39] <\sh> ?
[03:40] <\sh> bah
[03:40] <\sh> written
[03:40] <\sh> I'm just busy with something else..in RL work :(
[03:40] <viviersf> \sh, that for dapper builds only
[03:40] <viviersf> or breezy ones also ?
[03:40] <\sh> viviersf: only dapper...breezy was quite ok...
[03:40] <viviersf> kk
[03:41] <sebas> \sh: I'd have to look up the issues, so nevermind :)
[03:41] <sebas> I sent it to Jim some months ago, so it should be in the archives.
[03:41] <\sh> sebas: it should :) 
[03:42] <sebas> It'd probably be helpful if Jim opened up his VCS, maybe with write access for some people ... 
[03:42] <sebas> Or just develop in kdesvn  ...
[03:43] <\sh> sebas: do you think jim has a VCS?
[03:44] <\sh> sebas: because sometimes it looks like there is chaos
[03:46] <sebas> \sh: Hmmm ... now you're mentioning that :D
[04:09] <lamont-away> \sh: I was just more grumbling that it's FTBFS
[04:33] <seth_k> Riddell, is there anything I can do to help move along some of the little KDE packages that haven't yet gotten the new transition build-deps? (e.g. katapult, yakuake, kio-apt) Is there a page detailing what deps need to be changed? Or do you have it under control
[04:34] <Riddell> seth_k: do you have universe upload rights?
[04:34] <Riddell> seth_k: katapult I'm wondering what the best version to upload is
[04:34] <Riddell> otherwise I'll be throwing them up imminantly
[04:35] <seth_k> no, I don't have upload rights. I'd be limited to just posting debdiffs. Ah okay, if you have it under control no worries :)
[04:35] <Riddell> most of them don't need any changes, just rebuilt
[04:35] <seth_k> ok
[04:36] <Riddell> seth_k: are you involved with ubuntu forums at all?
[04:36] <freeflying> Riddell:  there have a spelling error in scim changelog
[04:36] <hunger> seth_k: Thank god that I am not the only one trying to upgrade evry 30 min!
[04:36] <seth_k> Riddell, heh... I got banned yesterday :) I was extremely active but after the forum admins decided that their interests came first, I'm no longer welcome
[04:37] <seth_k> Riddell, several users have been banned now
[04:37] <Riddell> freeflying: we'll just have to try and remember to fix it for next upload
[04:38] <seth_k> Riddell, ajmitch, robotgeek, nalioth and I had a little talk yesterday about the forums. The signs are all there that they wish to no longer be the official ubuntuforums and are looking to split off. So imo the forums are a lost cause.
[05:23] <\sh> anyone interested to code on an old pre-konversation irc client for kde?
[05:23] <\sh> with old qmdiwidgets? ,-)
[05:48] <Tm_T> err
[06:21] <Riddell> tvo: I see kio-locate is up to 0.4.4, does that include all your changes?
[06:48] <tvo> Riddell: yeah
[06:49] <Riddell> tvo: great
[09:13] <Riddell> mornfall: you get the e-mail about DapperPackageManager?
[09:20] <mornfall> Riddell: eyup
[09:21] <Riddell> mornfall: I'm not sure what needs done, are you able to add stuff or do you want me to ask for more details?
[09:21] <mornfall> Riddell: i'll make something up i guess
[09:21] <mornfall> for the criteria
[09:23] <Riddell> cool
[09:24] <mornfall> i want to get out alpha around this weekend...
[09:24] <mornfall> and lots of work still needs to be done
[09:24] <mornfall> eh eh
[09:28] <Riddell> I know that feeling
[09:31] <mornfall> oh well, i can probably make it :)
[09:32] <mornfall> i'll have to start bachelor's thesis at some point, too, hmh
[09:32] <mornfall> i'm already scared
[10:11] <\sh> Riddell: how does the roadmap fit with FF?
[10:12] <\sh> oh forget it..
[10:12] <\sh> ff is 23rd feb and therefor adept should be in beta state
[11:14] <\sh> Riddell: do u need knoda?
[11:15] <Riddell> \sh: I don't
[11:15] <Riddell> but people requested it when we didn't have it
[11:15] <\sh> it's somewhat crack in a pipe
[11:15] <\sh> set_dataformat is not declared but used...I wonder how it could compile
[11:15] <Riddell> has it ever compiled with gcc 4?
[11:16] <\sh> Riddell: yes
[11:17] <\sh> but I'm trying to compile it now against hk-classes9
[11:17] <\sh> but somehow set_dataformat is missing :*
[11:17] <\sh> weired
[11:18] <\sh> hmmm..0.8 is upstream....we have only 0.7.4 and debian tooo
[11:19] <Riddell> try 0.8 I guess
[11:19] <\sh> that's what i'm doing now
[11:20] <\sh> Riddell: btw..did you remove the part in debian/control about "libvisual{_plugins}" in amarok?
[11:20] <Riddell> hmm, nope
[11:21] <\sh> Riddell: i'll do it then tomorrow morning
[11:21] <Riddell> ok
[12:02] <\sh> Riddell: in your source upload of kdegraphics, is there already the fix for 
[12:02] <\sh>     CAN-2005-3191
[12:02] <\sh>     CAN-2005-3192
[12:02] <\sh>     CAN-2005-3193
[12:02] <\sh> in it?
[12:02] <\sh> if not, i'm doing it for kdegraphics
[12:03] <Riddell> \sh: no, I'm working on that now
[12:03] <\sh> ah ok...
[12:03] <\sh> Riddell: only for 3.5 or as wlel for 3.4.3?
[12:03] <Riddell> hoary, breezy, breezy on kubuntu.org, dapper
[12:04] <\sh> ok..i leave it then :)