[12:02] <\sh> daniels: but you agree with "xauth is the cause"? [12:03] \sh: nope, sounds like the server simply isn't starting to be honest (note how it fails to kill the process -- i assume this is the server) [12:03] ogra: oh? [12:03] mvo: sweet [12:04] <\sh> daniels: when you check xvfv-run...it wants to create an xauth entry bla...and it failes..check the lines in xvfb-run (where it's failing, from the buildlogs) [12:04] daniels, i have the same /usr/lib/xserver/SecurityPolicy prob seb128 has [12:04] isn't that cute :) I guess I should report a bug on freedesktops bugzilla? I get "unknown device id, assuming plain r300", maybe that is the cause already [12:05] daniels, linking it to the right place i dont get this error anymore, but the server still doesnt start ... no errors though === Loevborg [n=loevborg@d2-40.dip.axsp.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:06] 'night guys, see you tomorrow [12:06] night seb128 [12:07] /usr/bin/xvfb-run: line 158: kill: (13770) - No such process === zen-afk [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:07] lines 157 and 158: [12:07] # Kill Xvfb now that the command has exited. [12:07] kill $XVFBPID === olemke [n=olemke@p54897FF6.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:08] line 153 is where it actually runs the *command* you ask it to, and that tanks because it raises SIGTRAP [12:08] that is, glade-2 does [12:08] and again, line 158 fails [12:08] so my guess is that the server isn't starting for some reason === Halder [n=Halder@d83-176-56-9.cust.tele2.ch] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:08] <\sh> daniels: the other buildlog has no glade-2 but python :) but as well gtk2 deps I think :) [12:09] mvo: might want to fake it to some random chipid listed in http://cvs.freedesktop.org/xorg/xc/programs/Xserver/hw/xfree86/drivers/ati/radeon_chipset.h? [12:09] maybe _chipset.c [12:09] \sh: right [12:09] <\sh> it's somehow confusing.. [12:09] \sh: and notice how it doesn't fail at line 153 there [12:09] it just says that it couldn't connect to the server [12:09] and then later it says that it can't kill the server because it's an invalid pid [12:09] my guess is that the font path is broken in the same way as xnest [12:09] its running an Xserver during build o_O ? [12:09] ogra: which server? [12:10] daniels, trident [12:10] ogra: yes, this is fucked, but people always do it for some reason [12:10] ogra: ah, xorg [12:10] yup [12:10] ogra: can you please send the full log? [12:10] eys, but its not really helpful [12:10] *yes [12:11] <\sh> ogra: it's running an X app during build...and it needs somehow xvfb..for whatever strange reason and without some rational...but I don't want to fight with debian upstream [12:12] <\sh> daniels: I'll check it tomorrow in a clean dchroot want me to file a bug against xvfb with the results? === Halder [n=Halder@d83-176-56-9.cust.tele2.ch] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] [12:13] \sh: to be honest, not particularly; i'll fix the font path issue today or tomorrow, depending on how progress goes with rc3, so try when the new xorg-server hits [12:13] <\sh> daniels: great... [12:13] <\sh> s/tomorrow/today in a few hours/ :( I need some sleep === JanC [n=janc@lugwv/member/JanC] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:18] Right, that's the ACPI plumbing done... [12:18] daniels, 20563 is for you :) [12:19] daniels: be sad to see you go, but enjoy uni ;) [12:19] ogra: the SIGILL is the useful bit ... [12:19] it should be giving a backtrace though [12:20] ogra: i assume that using vesa would fix it [12:20] lifeless: heh, thanks [12:20] i'll try [12:20] lifeless: not for a month and a half yet [12:20] daniels: well, advance warning then :) [12:20] yeah [12:20] daniels: oh, cool [12:21] what you gonna study? [12:21] azeem: ? [12:21] heh [12:21] So now I have a kernel that will tell me whenever I plug/unplug the CD drive in this laptop [12:21] i'm in the middle of a software engineering + arts (indonesian) degree [12:21] daniels, nope [12:21] ah [12:21] ogra: interesting [12:21] ogra: if you want to run gdb from another machine and get a bt, that'd be rad [12:22] wow, you can mix software engeneering with arts ? [12:22] two degrees -- engineering and arts === doko_ [n=doko@dslb-084-059-065-243.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:23] daniels, i wont do the gdb session today anymore (its late here and had much wine already) will follow up on the bug [12:24] ogra: that's cool, thanks [12:24] :) === wj1 [n=Warren@auproxy1.proxy.lucent.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ryanpg [n=ryanpg@71.194.38.156] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:33] daniels: I found (and hopefuly fixed) the dri message, let's see if it helps :) === mvo rebuilds mesa === ptlo [n=senko@83-131-69-90.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:34] mvo: cool [12:34] mvo: fixed in cvs? [12:35] no idea, I need to check that [12:35] Hi all... I read the mail from Keybuk on devel-announce, I've experienced some issues with the udev switchover... we're asked to report here? === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@cpe-69-205-38-37.nycap.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:36] ryanpg, keybuk isn't here right now, I filed a bug on udev, it gets assigned to him. You can try doing that? [12:36] mdke, sure thing... you started a bug? should I add to it? if so do you know the #? [12:37] ryanpg, only if it is the same problem... mine is about a sata controller for a laptop hard disk [12:37] mdke, ok different issue [12:38] ryanpg, have a search of bugzilla :) [12:38] yep... mdke I'll be doing that :) === sfeehan [n=sfeehan@pool-71-241-137-209.burl.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sistpoty [n=sistpoty@ubuntu/member/sistpoty] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:57] elmo: I gotta go end world hunger; if you have anything you need to talk to me about, please don't hesitate to e-mail me [12:57] have fun everyone === JanC [n=janc@lugwv/member/JanC] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:58] or at least get snowflakes unbanned from our school :) [12:59] jdong: You can have ours. =) [01:00] ok I made a new bug, any kind soul with time on their hands is encouraged to check bugzilla.ubuntu.com #20564 for "goodness", it's my first ubuntu bug :D [01:01] jbailey: thanks... and i also need bells, gifts, horseshoes, snowflakes, snowmen, crosses, giving tree, bunny, turkeys unbanned too :) [01:01] I'm all up until the last two. [01:01] And then it depends if you're planning on eating them or not. =) === mdz_ [n=mdz@69-175-232-197.vnnyca.adelphia.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:05] jbailey: the bunny? [01:05] or the turkey. =) === wj1 [n=Warren@auproxy1.proxy.lucent.com] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [01:07] lol, have fun guys === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === robitaille [n=robitail@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:11] aww crap... dapper bugs should go to "malone"? [01:12] ryanpg, universe bugs go to malone === EdLin [n=chacha@as5300-6.216-194-22-51.nyc.ny.metconnect.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:13] The Ubuntu bugzilla website is acting non-functional when I try to enter a new bug report. [01:13] Burgwork, ok so my udev bug is correctly placed in bugzilla.ubuntu [01:14] yup [01:15] ogra, is that "yup" directed at me? [01:15] EdLin, nope at ryanpg [01:16] I've got the bug report exported to a file, but don't have a mail server operating, is it possible to mail the information somewhere with evol? === mdz__ [n=mdz@ppp-69-228-134-182.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:21] EdLin, I just entered a bug there a few minutes ago btw [01:23] ryanpg, OK. I just noticed that the bug report program's exported text file contains an email address (at gnome.org) that I can use, I'll use that - especially since it would probably be marked "upstream" anyway. === Gman- [n=gman@nwkea-socks-1.sun.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === henriquemaia [n=henrique@cb-217-129-170-53.netvisao.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Kinnison [n=dsilvers@haddenham.pepperfish.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:26] who staff [01:26] blast [01:26] sorry, forgot my slash === ryanpg resists urge to make a joke about axel rose [01:28] thanks for the help all... I'm off === ryanpg [n=ryanpg@71.194.38.156] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === EdLin [n=chacha@as5300-6.216-194-22-51.nyc.ny.metconnect.net] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === Gman- [n=gman@nwkea-socks-1.sun.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:49] Aavahi 3 === lexhider [n=lexhider@ppp79-55.lns1.mel3.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === LaserJock_meetin is now known as LaserJock === Gman- [n=gman@nwkea-socks-1.sun.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:04] Nafallo_away: pong === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.38] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bmonty [n=bmontgom@wsip-68-15-230-31.om.om.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:24] jbailey: initramfs evms stuff is busted. [02:24] again. heh. [02:25] wasabi: How this time? [02:25] infinity: ^^^ [02:25] Not sure, was at work, had to fix it and get back to work hehe. [02:25] Looked like the md local-top script wasn't detecting my md. [02:25] Again. [02:25] (and since evms isn't going to do it, it never got done) [02:25] If you can record what you did to get it running and fire that into bugzilla that'd be lovely. [02:25] =) [02:26] there is a regression on laptop-mode-tools i think... hibernation is spawned when i reduce the LCD brightness of my Acer laptop [02:26] Well, what I did was slam modprobe raid1 and force_load raid1 into it. [02:26] So I might GUESS that those were missing. ;0 [02:26] I don't really hack on initramfs-tools much now, it's mostly adam and scott. [02:26] Ahhh. [02:26] I can still help with it, since I'm quite familiar with the code, but I'm headed to bed shortly. =) [02:26] I'm quite tired. [02:26] s'ok, I'll take a look at it again [02:26] (I think I'm fighting something. Hopefully sleep will keep it away) [02:27] uh oh === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.38] has joined #ubuntu-devel === minghua [n=minghua@danube.mems.rice.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ikuyaLoqu [n=ikuya@gnulinux.good-day.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === LaserJock [n=LaserJoc@ppp-69-239-159-130.dsl.renocs.pacbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === slomo_ [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-devel === wjb [n=warren@c220-237-178-175.lowrp1.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === BenC [n=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #ubuntu-devel === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === trulux [n=lorenzo@unaffiliated/trulux] has joined #ubuntu-devel === autrijus [n=autrijus@feather.perl6.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === autrijus [n=autrijus@feather.perl6.nl] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === |sistpot| [n=sistpoty@DSL01.83.171.160.58.NEFkom.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ozamosi [n=nnnnnnnn@h247n2c1o1049.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stub [i=stub@sweep.bur.st] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.38] has joined #ubuntu-devel === |sistpot| is now known as sistpoty [04:20] is dapper version frozen? [04:20] ...? [04:20] Oh, you mean have we hit upstream version freeze? No. [04:20] is it in UVF yet [04:20] excellent. [04:20] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseSchedule [04:20] thanks. === wjb [n=Warren@auproxy1.proxy.lucent.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:39] Am I allowed to promote my own spec from braindump to drafting? I think it's ready to be reviewed: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UsefulDisksManagerSpec [04:43] if it's ready for reviewing, set it as pending review [04:43] you are doing this in launchpad, right? === ajmitch doesn't know who would be reviewing & approving specs outside of meetings like UBZ [04:46] YokoZar: I'd say it'd need the implementation section filled in a bit before it got reviewed [04:46] ajmitch it's linked in launchpad, yes [04:47] Isn't the implementation section for...stuff that's done? === DsM [n=DsM@cpe-70-115-13-87.gt.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:48] anyone know how to sign up to be a mirror for ubuntu? [04:48] YokoZar: no, implementation is for how you're going to do it [04:49] What if I don't know, since I have no idea how the disks manager applet is configured? [04:49] Err, coded. [04:50] not sure what you'll want to fill in , sorry :) [04:51] I'll put it up to drafting and ask for review, heh [04:52] While we're on the subject, what do you think of this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BetterIntegratedWineSpec [04:53] you might wait awhile for review [04:54] you'd need to fill out implementation there as well, saying how you'd do it [04:54] Indeed. This is what I get for not thinking of the idea before you all ran off into the snow-filled wastes of Canada [04:55] :) [04:55] ajmitch: that part I actually can do, heh [04:55] there wasn't any snow around, sadly [04:55] (for Wine) [04:56] I'd like to see some menu integration there, but as you said, it's likely for dapper+1 [04:57] I think the fonts idea can be done in time, though [04:59] at least winetools appears to have gone from dapper [05:00] or was it that winesetup that needed removed? [05:05] ajmitch: winesetuptk and xwine needed to be killed [05:06] ajmitch: as soon as I get my key signed and upload rights they'll probably get removed since they'll conflict with their dependency, heh [05:07] or you could get someone to put in the conflicts now [05:07] I know that winesetuptk is quite obsolete with the config changes now === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:15] is there a reason why there are no Contents-*.gz for dapper on a.you.c? [05:19] kamion| mdz| lamont| infinity| elmo: ping? ^^ === psusi [n=phreak@103.202.33.65.cfl.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mahangu [n=mahangu@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:25] I did an update of dapper today and x won't start now because it can't find my usb mouse... the kernel seems to see it but the devnode isn't being created... isn't there some major overhaul going on of the plug and play stuff? [05:25] udev [05:25] 'Dapper has new kernels and new world order, upgrading for the adventurous only (and those with another machine to use)' [05:26] from the topic === robitaille [n=robitail@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:26] what about it? I still don't understand devices.. it used to be you just used mknod to make the dev nodes you need... then there was something about a devfs... now udev... hotplug... I can't figure it all out [05:26] psusi: then you probably shouldn't be messing with dapper at the moment [05:27] speaking of udev, where do I put stuff now that previously went in udev.rules? tried adding custom rules to stuff in rules.d but had no luck === psusi has breezy on another partition and a tarball of an earlier working dapper [05:27] had to go get the udev package from sid because the one in dapper won't do a thing for me now (such as create mouse device nodes) [05:28] so... udev was a deamon that handled creating the devnodes for detected devices... and dapper is dropping it for something else? [05:28] psusi: this probably isn't the forum for explaining udev, I'm afriad ... [05:28] what would be? [05:29] elmo: is there a reason why there are no Contents-*.gz for dapper on a.you.c? [05:29] just blame daniels for everything. :p [05:29] lol [05:29] LaserJock: it's expensive to run, and I haven't gotten round to setting it up for dapper yet [05:29] actually... it's kind of nice not having X working... I got too used to it... it's nice being back in a console running bitchx with a custom console font [05:30] elmo: oh, ok. no problem. I was trying to run apt-file but it uses the Contents-*.gz files so I couldn't use it on dapper. I just used breezy instead [05:30] I must be suffering a case of mechanic's syndrome, cause USB mice work fine for me. [05:31] infinity did you update today? [05:31] psusi : Not yet. Did it just break today? [05:31] no, not today [05:31] the latest udev is 5 days old [05:31] the other day I noticed that the mouse broke when I tried to use my old kernel isntead of the new one in dapper.. custom 2.6.14... but it worked fine with the 2.6.15 that dapper finally got [05:32] but today I updated and it broke using the new kernel [05:32] Oh, well, yes. I do use the dapper kernel. :) [05:32] there was a new kernel today [05:33] I know. [05:33] Rebooting to it in a few minutes. [05:33] so where can I read up some more on the changes to udev in dapper? [05:33] ubuntu-devel-announce === jlj [n=agp@cpe-204-210-33-233.san.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:34] Which you should subscribe to if you're using dapper. [05:35] I'm substrubed to ubuntu-devel... isn't the announce redundant then? [05:37] check out dapper-changes as well. [05:37] Kamion: are you still planning to do flight 2 tomorrow? [05:37] psusi : No, announce isn't redundant. [05:38] hrm... ok... I'll subscribe to those too then [05:39] In this case, though, reading changelogs before installing, I'll lay my blame with the new udev. [05:39] 0.77's changelog looks... Interesting. [05:39] hrm... that's another thing I've noticed lately... changelogs don't work or are not being made [05:39] even in breezy [05:39] Install apt-listchanges. [05:40] I have a server at work running breezy and I noticed today it had a few new packages... apache and whatnot [05:40] The changelog-grabbing feature in update-notifier is a bit delayed. [05:40] I chose the option in synaptic to get the changelog and it said it failed to fetch it [05:40] (ie: stuff doesn't get to changelogs.ubuntu.com for a while after the packages hit the archive) === mhz [n=mhz_chil@pc-252-84-215-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:40] that's what I figured... [05:40] why's it take so long? [05:41] You have a server running X? :) [05:41] yea... got it running tightvnc server started from xinit too, so it's like a terminal server [05:41] it's prety neat [05:41] I mean xinetd === infinity grumbles at ogra's kino upload. [05:44] ogra : Your kino package overwrites files from kino-dvtitler. [05:44] he knows [05:44] Oh, good. === ajmitch harassed him earlier about it === infinity reboots with the new kernel... === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mhz [n=mhz_chil@pc-252-84-215-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:05] infinity: umm, I thought you fixed our buildd-watcher? [06:06] infinity: weddell is being bad anyways [06:22] morning [06:23] hi fabbione === segfault [i=carlos@prognus.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Orborde [n=orborde@shrv-c-148.resnet.purdue.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:33] How do I determine what arch a package installed on my system is from? [06:33] s/arch/repo/ [06:33] uname -m [06:33] look in /var/lib/dpkg/status [06:34] eek. then cross-reference the version against what's in each repo, i guess [06:34] Arg [06:36] Orborde: apt-cache policy foo [06:36] hmmm [06:37] desrt: i am so sleepy that for a second i thought you were clueful :P [06:37] crimsun: Thanks [06:37] fabbione; die. my first answer was a good one :p [06:37] hahaha [06:38] it's a good question though... why doesn't source distribution end up in dpkg status [06:38] i guess because it's not known at package build time? [06:39] the dpkg status doesn't need these info [06:39] you are looking in the wrong place [06:39] so that answer to "How do I determine what arch a package installed on my system is from?" is actually "you don't." [06:40] i am not even sure i understand the question [06:40] since, for example, in dapper and breezy right now, a -lot- of packages have exactly the same version [06:40] you can't mix i386 and amd64 .deb on a system [06:40] I think he means repo instead of arch [06:40] 00:33 s/arch/repo/ [06:40] oh sure.. one sec... [06:41] i was just looking at something like this yesterday [06:41] fabbione: crimsun answered it already :) [06:41] Orborde: that's the lazy way :) === viviersf [n=cain@dsl-146-119-243.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:41] Orborde; but does that tell you the installed one or if you were to install it now? [06:41] Orborde: that really only works if you have one set of repos, too [06:42] desrt: installed one i am pretty sure [06:42] apt-cache?! [06:42] hmm [06:42] ok i will cast my right to answer after the coffee [06:44] Argh. I dun wanna sign up for launchpad :( [06:44] I have an Xfce4-related bug, but xfce4 is universe and thus out of the Bugzilla [06:45] https://launchpad.net/malone [06:46] Orborde: launchpad is fun :) [06:47] It wants me to register. [06:47] elmo : I think I saw something shinier and got distracted. [06:47] registration isn't painful === Orborde [n=orborde@shrv-c-148.resnet.purdue.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === johanbr [n=j@d154-20-224-21.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zakame [n=zak@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #ubuntu-devel === infinity sits around waiting for keybul to wake up, so he can give him what-for in regards to udevplug [07:00] keybuk, too. === wjb [n=Warren@auproxy1.proxy.lucent.com] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === viviersf [n=cain@dsl-146-119-243.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel === viviersf [n=cain@dsl-146-119-243.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel === segfault [i=carlos@prognus.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:28] what's a whatfor? === HiddenWolf [n=HiddenWo@136.169.dynamic.phpg.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:30] what for [07:30] ;) [07:31] anyway, dunno is it init.d/networking script or something else but my network connection doesn't come up(or if does, it comes down too) at startup === robitaille [n=robitail@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:31] oh, dapper is humorous sometimes =) [07:34] elmo : Okay, buildd-watcher fixed. [07:40] elmo: please sync xerces25 and xerces26 from Sid (ok to override Ubuntu changes), thanks === LaserJock [n=LaserJoc@ppp-69-239-159-130.dsl.renocs.pacbell.net] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === SEJeff [n=SEJeff@12-222-183-136.client.insightBB.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:42] elmo: please sync ickle from sid, ok to override Ubuntu changes, thanks :) === JaneW [n=JaneW@dsl-165-120-130.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:50] Is some part of apache part of the default install? === minghua [n=minghua@69-153-139-23.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:52] elmo: please sync scim from Sid (ok to override Ubuntu changes), thanks === wjb [n=warren@c220-237-178-175.lowrp1.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dholbach [n=daniel@i577B1279.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:58] good morning ubuntites :) === marilize [n=marilize@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel === chmj [n=chmj@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel === fabbione [n=fabbione@port49.ds1-van.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dholbach [n=daniel@i577B1279.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === AndyFitz [n=andy@220-245-97-227.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lathiat [i=lathiat@ubuntu/member/lathiat] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Aegir [n=richard@d220-238-52-188.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:37] dholbach: hey ubuntero. :) [08:37] hey whiprush! :) === dholbach hugs whiprush [08:38] long time no se [08:38] see [08:38] heh [08:41] whiprush: how are you? === pierre__ [n=pierre@earnshaw.cs.sun.ac.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:42] dholbach: busy at work. [08:43] i can imagine [08:43] but you always found time to fridge :) === dholbach hugs whiprush [08:43] lots of ubuntu deployment stuff actually. [08:43] COOL! :) [08:43] well, wrestling with gconf isn't what I'd consider "cool", but it's working out. [08:44] but hey, life on the edge I suppose. [08:44] :_D [08:44] :-D [08:45] keep rocking that tango package man, it's sweet. [08:47] really? i think it got a bit too blue-ish for my nerves === viviersf [n=cain@dsl-146-119-243.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:50] dholbach: one of the novell guys in #tango mentioned that they would keep the gray icons for NLD. [08:50] I'd like to see a ubuntuized set in the tango style for the folders personally. [08:51] whiprush: if we'd get our artwork team to work on that, i'd be happy [08:51] is andy fitz still around? [08:52] AndyFitz: ping :) [08:52] heh. [08:52] dholbach: pong [08:52] whiprush: he is :) [08:52] AndyFitz: whiprush would liked to see a ubuntuized set of tango icons - what do you think about that? [08:52] hey so dude, Tango-human? [08:53] morning all! [08:56] dholbach, whiprush. I'm already on it. checkout the svg files at http://www.brisgeek.com/file/sample.tar.bz2 [08:57] AndyFitz: you rock. [08:57] I'll be releasing the full set at LCA along with instructions on how to modify the global stylesheet ;-) [08:57] all using the tango metaphors and naming spec [08:57] page not found [08:58] imagine toggling drop shadows, outlines shifting the opacity of 'shiny' gloss effects and total palette changes ;-) [08:58] http://www.brisgeek.com/files/sample.tar.bz2 [08:58] oops [08:58] hacking on a drupal install at the moment === koke [n=koke@ubuntu/member/koke] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stub [n=stub@costello.z3u.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:02] the tango naming spec and the metaphors list to keep things familiar for all users is awesome work [09:03] yeah, that's great [09:03] Will that be the new look for dapper? :) === maradong [n=bhentges@213.47.179.227] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:05] AndyFitz : I still don't dig that chat icon, BTW... The speech bubble (when shrunk down small) looks like a tooth. Looks like something I'd see at a dentist's office. [09:05] AndyFitz : Not entirely sure how a happy face relates to chatting either. :) [09:05] well mate, you just sent me one [09:06] infinity, you dug yourself in there ;) === lathiat [i=lathiat@ubuntu/member/lathiat] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:06] (I don't use graphical emoticons, so they don't register with me as "relating to chatting") [09:06] I'm following the metaphors on the tango site. so nothings 'all my fault ;-)' whats funky about those is in the xml [09:06] It's like saying the "uh oh" sound relates to chatting, because we all used ICQ 8 years ago. [09:07] Now _THAT_ was annoying. [09:08] rsvg and inkscape don't support external stylesheets . btu the inline styles are easily sed/awked out of there and replaced with consolidated classes when they both do support it . we are talking <10kb icons [09:09] infinity, stop being emo. smiling is chatting. if its not use a different icon.. like the logout one [09:09] hehe [09:09] Thpt. :) [09:09] The speech bubble is chatting, no arguments there. [09:09] (Though obscured by the smiley, it turns into a tooth, I SWEAR TO GOD) [09:13] I don't see that. even so : _tooth_ is in the _mouth_ which is what you can _talk with instatly_ === infinity laughs. === dholbach collects the crack pipes in the channel === HiddenWolf mugs dholbach === AndyFitz puts away his crack === HiddenWolf hides his dope === pierre__ [n=pierre@earnshaw.cs.sun.ac.za] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [09:17] elmo: please sync spplus, slides from debian, dropping changes === dous [n=adpenara@203.131.155.132] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mahangu_ [n=mahangu@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:29] any LoTR fans here? === Orborde [n=orborde@shrv-c-148.resnet.purdue.edu] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === StevenK [n=stevenk@14.5.233.220.exetel.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ompaul [n=ompaul@213-202-132-2.bas502.dsl.esat.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === viviersf [n=cain@dsl-146-101-79.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:50] <\sh> hehe this morning on heise.de [09:50] <\sh> "German Stock Exchange removes Elmos from TecDax List" === rob1 [n=root@ubuntu/member/rob1] has joined #ubuntu-devel === enrico [n=enrico@debian/developer/enrico] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rob1 [n=root@ubuntu/member/rob1] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rob1 [n=root@ubuntu/member/rob1] has joined #ubuntu-devel === MindOfChaos [n=FUK@202.150.118.202] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jinty [n=jinty@205.134.224.215] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rob1 [n=rob@ubuntu/member/rob1] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pvanhoof [n=pvanhoof@d5152D086.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.38] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mvo [n=egon@ip181.135.1511I-CUD12K-01.ish.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === trulux [n=lorenzo@unaffiliated/trulux] has joined #ubuntu-devel === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:14] morning === seb128 kicks udev [10:15] I've already kicked it enough for both of us. [10:16] thanks ;) [10:16] What's your udev issue? :) [10:16] uh [10:17] infinity: eth not bringed up at boot, which is not an issue, and xorg refusing to start because no mouse which bother me actually, I had to downgrade udev [10:17] Oh, you're another "no mouse" guy. Neat. I wonder why my mouse works... [10:18] My complaint it with my hard drive being randomly renamed, but I've tracked that bug. I just need to yell at Scott about it when he gets online. === AndyFitz [n=andy@220-245-97-227.static.tpgi.com.au] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === mvo [n=egon@ip181.135.1511I-CUD12K-01.ish.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === seb128_ [n=seb128@ANancy-151-1-11-100.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:25] re === ssam [n=ssam@88-104-132-192.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:27] seb128_: my eth isn't bringed up at boot either [10:28] this one is a known issue IIRC [10:28] good [10:28] then I'm not worried === dholbach_ [n=daniel@i577B1443.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === minghua [n=minghua@69-153-139-23.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:31] infinity: now you have yet another "no mouse" guy here :-) [10:33] seb128_: strange panel behaviour: the Applications menu doesn't stay open, it just blinks and then minimizes to a small point, the other menus do work. any hints? [10:34] doko: knonwn issue [10:34] it's a gamin bug apparently === sivang wonders how despite all of his upgrades to his work machine that was installed from a dapper flight 1, does not see any gamin bugs, but on his home machine which was dist-upgraded from breezy, it does show. === MindOfChaos wonders if he will ever get the energy to try and get his LAN going in linux [10:41] doko: yeah, known issue, I've forwarded it upstream but they are not really responsive [10:42] doko: I don't have the issue on my box to debug it ... === hunger [n=hunger@p54A64109.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:45] siretart: Yes. [10:49] <\sh> upgrading to dapper again :) === jcape [n=jcape@c-67-173-146-239.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === viviersf [n=cain@dsl-146-101-79.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel === janimo [n=jani@Home03207.cluj.astral.ro] has joined #ubuntu-devel === olemke [n=olemke@iup.physik.uni-bremen.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@azevedo.astro.up.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel === didymo [n=ashley@CPE-61-9-197-223.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === warren__ [n=warren@c220-237-178-175.lowrp1.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === yosch [n=yosch@clrglop216.in2p3.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dredg [n=nsherida@80.169.137.162] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stub [i=stub@sweep.bur.st] has joined #ubuntu-devel === poningru [n=poningru@n128-227-82-53.xlate.ufl.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:46] otu [11:46] Oops. [11:46] you surely mean Motu :) [11:47] That's what I was searching for in scrollback :-). [11:47] Launchpad has sent us this silly mail and I was wondering if anyone had grumbled and suggested it should send it to a smaller group of people. [11:48] Diziet: i grumbled already [11:48] but in #ubuntu-motu [11:48] What did they say ? [11:48] we agreed on not making ubuntu-dev or ubuntu-core-dev administrators, which would solve the problem [11:49] (but keep the team model intact) === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:50] Mmhmm. [11:50] they aren't administrators now; I assume that was fixed by the time I went to look at it earlier this morning === `anthony [n=anthony@220-253-39-148.VIC.netspace.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === siretart [n=siretart@p5494F7E6.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:51] hi === mvo reboots for new kernel [11:51] siretart is the motureviewers team architect :) [11:52] ah [11:52] Diziet: Kamion I removed ubuntu-dev from administrator status of motureviewers now. Now the team MOTU is admin of motureviewers and should therefore get all the spam [11:53] this was done just a few hours ago, just after dholbach notified me about that spamming === chmj [n=chmj@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel === siretart hopes this is okay and everyone is happy === mvo [n=egon@ip181.135.1511I-CUD12K-01.ish.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Aegir [n=richard@d220-238-52-188.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:00] siretart: that's fine, thanks === retrix [n=sam@ppp192-105.lns1.adl4.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === minghua [n=minghua@69-153-139-23.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === marcin [n=user@194.114.146.58] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti [n=pitti@195.227.105.180] has joined #ubuntu-devel === marilize [n=marilize@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Keybuk [n=scott@descent.netsplit.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:17] yippie, only pmi and acpi-support left as uninstallables on the CD :) [12:18] wifi/sound aren't loaded atm [12:19] ogra: those should be fixed RSN; I did a couple of promotions this morning [12:19] sladen, hmm, i'm not at the -7 kernel yet but it works here since -5 === ogra sees a livefs at the horizon :) [12:20] the most recent build failed because language-support-en was uninstallable for some reason [12:20] meh [12:21] wasn't that a firefoxism? [12:21] I was just saying that to infinity, yes [12:21] please somebody update mozilla-firefox-locale-all [12:22] it should be relatively straightforward; the source is basically just a pile of XPIs you can download [12:22] you'd need to test it in various locales [12:23] Testing, schmesting. It can't get any more broken than it currently is. :P === infinity looks into this. [12:23] mozilla-firefox-en-gb still needs to be uninstalled to do an update [12:23] infinity, are you an active kino user ? [12:24] ogra : Not frequent, no. Just enough to notice that it was broken. [12:24] hmmkay [12:24] but you could test it ? i'm missing the right HW here ... [12:25] Define "test".. I can test the video editing bits, I can't do any DV. [12:26] would be enough for now ... i'm hoping anyway that debian updates to 0.8.0 before UVF .... 0.7 doesnt run with newer gtk versions and i had to close the merge bug ... [12:26] Oh great, there's no m-f-l-a package in experimental yet. [12:27] ogra : Kay, bug me tomorrow when I'm not on a livefs warpath. [12:27] yup === siretart_ [i=siretart@tauware.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:27] will fix the package first === siretart1 [i=siretart@tauware.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === siretart_ is now known as siretart === zyga [n=zyga@2-mi2-1.acn.waw.pl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:29] hello [12:29] ogra: is that hwdb-client branch ready? :) [12:30] zyga, i'll make it ready after the edubuntu meeting today [12:30] ogra: thanks :-) [12:31] I'm finally done withmy RL jobs and I've got some more time to spend [12:31] Hello === Tm_T [i=tm_travo@xob.kapsi.fi] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mpt [n=mpt@200-171-140-32.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jane_ [n=JaneW@dsl-165-120-130.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel === infinity wonders why m-f-l-a only includes the lang-COUNTRY.xpi langpacks, and not all the lang.xpi ones. [12:42] I'll ont question it for this update though, I'll let pitti deal with it later. [12:43] infinity: you mean the source package is missing some xpis? [12:44] hey pitti, you should not be working today :p [12:44] seb128: I'm not :) [12:44] good ;) [12:44] doing distro meeting this night? [12:44] I'm searchign for xmas presents *sigh* [12:44] (working is soo much easier...) [12:45] ah ah :) [12:45] seb128: yes, sure, I'll set my alarm clock and annoy my gf :) [12:45] he he === hunger [n=hunger@p54A6113A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:48] pitti, could you prioritize the gnome-screensaver main inclusion report ? mdz wants it on flight 2 === `anthony [n=anthony@220-253-115-240.VIC.netspace.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflying_ [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.38] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jvw [i=jeroen@220pc220.sshunet.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jbailey [n=jbailey@modemcable139.249-203-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zakame [n=zak@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #ubuntu-devel === MindOfChaos [n=FUK@202.150.118.202] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Client] === janimo [n=jani@Home03207.cluj.astral.ro] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.38] has joined #ubuntu-devel === segfault [i=carlos@prognus.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ctd_ [n=ctd@moan.progsoc.uts.edu.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mhz [n=mhz_chil@pc-252-84-215-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hirion [n=hirion@draugr.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bmonty [n=bmontgom@wsip-68-15-230-31.om.om.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Kamion hacks choose-mirror evilly, hopefully avoiding the mirror question on dapper CD installs [01:30]