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[12:57] janeW, isnt that the regular 24h disconnect ? i got them to here [12:57] if so, just make sure you connect at another time of day, thn it should happen around this time ... [12:58] ogra: may be, but I just had one now... so we should be good *holding thumbs* === ogra crosses fingers [12:58] ogra: it does drop randomly at times and the national poer failures we have had don't help [12:58] poer=power [12:59] national ? ugh ... [12:59] they keep having to do emergency shut downs of the nuclear plant nearby 8/ === kjcole [n=kjcole@dsl092-145-217.wdc2.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [12:59] nearby ? ouch ... [12:59] that doesnt sound nice ... [12:59] shoo these Dapper Update Meetings and Tables are keeping me BUSY [01:00] ogra: yup less than 50km away [01:00] *shudder* [01:00] monring (or whatever) all. (And, as usual nothing "good" about it.) [01:00] heh, I am actually one of it's supporters but I still wouldn;t want to mess with it [01:00] hey new memeber :) [01:00] janeW, isn't it about time for your connection to fail? [01:00] ok it;s 14:00 [01:01] kjcole: heh, just happened, we should be good now ;) [01:01] ogra, thanks for the support. [01:01] roll call === jelkner [n=jelkner@158.59.194.112] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [01:01] kjcole is sleepy... er.. is Kevin Cole === ogra is OliverGrawert === kjcole is definitely sleepy.... er... Kevin Cole [01:02] just the 3 of us? [01:02] jelkner is Jeffrey Elkner [01:02] hi jelkner [01:02] hi jane! [01:02] morning, jeff. [01:03] good morning kevin [01:03] while we wait for other folks, can we do a quick update on documentation? [01:04] I'm game. [01:04] we should probably wait for highvoltage and jsgotango for that [01:04] let's start with ogra's update now, so we don't run out of time... [01:04] since they are involved with docs [01:04] they can catch up from the notes... [01:04] ogra: only problem is, i will need to leave by 7:30 pm [01:05] jelkner: ok you are straight after ogra. ok? [01:05] last week i missed a bunch of import stuff (including local devices) [01:05] ok [01:05] FYI: SInce this falls before my morning commute, and Accessibility Team falls after it, I'm going to blow out of here in 55 minutes... [01:05] kjcole: ok understood [01:05] ok, [01:05] let's go them, waiting for late ppl just encourages them to be late === flint [n=flint@69-164-120-179.sbtnvt.adelphia.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [01:06] the CD build looks very good, we should have all 3 arches ready today, i386 hd three uninstallable packages tonight rthat should be gone by now, for the other arches the install CD should be fine already [01:06] morning ollie [01:07] liveCD builds will start immediately after i have someone building the filesystem for me ...(i.e. directly after the ubuntu livefs was built) === spacey [n=spacey@flits101-191.flits.rug.nl] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [01:07] (thats done by lamont/infinity) [01:08] great [01:08] ogra: much better than we were last time :) [01:08] i had a workshop and talk last weekend at the essener linuxtage, which resulted in several people who want to join development now :) [01:08] EXCELLENT [01:08] ogra: do you think they will? === linbetwin [n=ricaradu@85.186.214.190] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [01:08] i.e. i have one guy who wants to take over ltsp-manager from me ;) [01:08] :) [01:09] the other ones are not this concrete ... [01:09] ogra: I see you got the thinclient-memory-usage spec to Approved. [01:09] spacey, worked with willow the last days ... [01:09] and faster-startup to Pending Reivew [01:09] thats next on my list ;) [01:09] so getting there [01:10] the specs are reviewed, and i have a list of changes from mdz to put into the two missing ones .... [01:10] after i made these changes they should get approved straight === jelkner is waiting with anticipation to hear about local devices... [01:10] the local device spec is still in drafting and will wait for a meeting between mdz, sbalneaves and me === crimsun [i=crimsun@pdpc/supporter/silver/crimsun] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [01:11] to decide what we do and what is feasable with it [01:11] its the one that requires most manpower (not only mine) and the one that had lowest prio from the beginning [01:12] ogra: are you setting up that meeting or must I? [01:12] why lowest prio? [01:12] janeW, i can ... [01:12] i would argue that without it, we really don't have edubuntu [01:12] jelkner, i dont make the prioritisation [01:12] ogra: please do if you can [01:12] I am drowning in LP, plans and spreadsheets [01:12] who sets the priorities and how? I would think it might be us... [01:12] local devices seem very "dapper". is is a personpower issue or an approach isssue? [01:12] jelkner, you said we dont have edubuntu without content filtering [01:13] kjcole: us and mdz mainly [01:13] ogra: yes, but that was until you gave me a different solution for that [01:13] jelkner, which is rather achieveable now ... [01:13] ogra, actually that was my flawed vision about the content filtering... [01:13] great! [01:13] since spacey took the task [01:13] i'm only reporting back feedback from the users [01:13] local devices are important [01:14] everyone keeps asking "how can students save their work?" [01:14] i don't know what to tell them yet [01:14] ogra: any more progress for the week? [01:14] sure, but still, the spec is low/mid prio and not ready yet [01:14] janeW: how do priorities get set? [01:14] we have some odd Xorg bugs currently so ltsp is broken, i had not enough tim yet due to my normal distro work ... i hope to have that fixed until next meeting [01:15] is there a way to appeal a priority? === spacey pong [01:15] jelkner, thats a mdz/sabdfl thing [01:15] jelkner: mail me and I'll process it === zakame [n=zak@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [01:15] will do [01:16] ogra, ollie, what can we do to help get local devices? Are priorities disclosed on a wikki somewhere? [01:16] jelkner: I can raise the priority, but that won;t necessarily change the expectation of delivery, esp if there is a technical blocker [01:16] understood [01:16] flint: it;s all on launchpad [01:16] jelkner: but I will support getting this done, because it is clearly needed [01:16] http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/edubuntu/dapper-20051205-1.png shows the latest bootchart, mdz has the opinion we can cut down some (10?) seconds from X detection and Keybuk told me the over all speed might be cut down by 15sec so we're getting there [01:16] https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/dapper/+specstable [01:17] JaneW, actually it is all on my computer, thanks for the specifics ollie! [01:17] flint, learn dbus programming :P [01:17] flint: there's no dreaded wiki table this time [01:17] thats one of the blockers, i'm not into dbus enough that i'd trust my skills to do it alone ... [01:18] but since most of the other specs are done alread i'll have lots of time to concentrate on the device suff ... [01:18] flint: ogra and I are somewhat constrained by mdz's call wrt priority etc [01:19] but i dont give promises for specs that arent even running as a proof of concept locally for me, please understand that [01:19] yeah verily, we require a Jedi, and they are in short supply... [01:19] bring em on [01:19] i have to leave in 10 minutes, any chance we can sneek in a quick documentation report? [01:19] yes jelkner go ahead [01:20] goby is still waiting for a review from pitti, so we most likely wont see it on the flight2 CD [01:20] kjcole and i have been meeting each weekend to work on the cookbook [01:20] ok, i'm done [01:20] here is where we are: [01:20] jelkner, you are SUCH a whiner...go ahead :^) [01:20] 1. we've taken the original source and convereted it to plain text [01:21] 2. we have edited the first 2 chapters, removing tuxlab specific stuff [01:21] jelkner/ kjcole - sounds good :) [01:21] 3. we are planning to use lore to mark it up so we can have quick, web ready copy === juliux_ [n=julius@irz727.inf.tu-dresden.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [01:21] jelkner: is it quite a chore? [01:21] 4. we will finish removing tuxlab specific stuff the next few weeks [01:22] hi all [01:22] 1.5 We've broken it into several separate files, basically along chapter lines. [01:22] 5. then we will begin adding edubuntu specific information [01:22] so it is a build down and then build up process [01:22] one thing to keep in mind that effects artwork [01:22] jedi! [01:22] jelkner: sounds very logical and sequential [01:22] jelkner, i aksed kjcole yesterday already, i'd like to have regular reviews of the tech stuff in there, the tuxlabs technical side is quite different from our implementation ... [01:23] if we want the book out by dapper release === mhz [n=mhz_chil@pc-252-84-215-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === mhz is here [01:23] it would be very helpful if we could have the artwork at least a few weeks early [01:23] hi mhz: congrats re CC membership [01:23] so we can include screen shots with the correct artwork [01:23] jelkner, we have an artwork deadline in the release schedule [01:23] jelkner: you need new artwork? [01:23] thats all i have [01:23] thats some weeks before the doc deadline afaikl [01:23] thanx janeW [01:23] ogra, the tuxLab cookbook made me curious about "wizzy" (which I assume is one of those differences) [01:24] no, i mean whatever artwork dapper will have [01:24] jelkner, yes [01:24] thats what i talked about [01:24] jelkner: ok fair enough, screenshots would make sense, do you need to change or add to the illustrations too? [01:24] great [01:24] add to [01:24] there are two weeks between artwork and doc deadline for exactly this purpose [01:24] mostly screenshots [01:24] excellent [01:24] wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseSchedule <- for dates [01:25] ok, i'm finished === bmonty [n=bmontgom@wsip-68-15-230-31.om.om.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [01:25] jelkner: excellnt, I am very please to hear there's been progress with this :)) === Hirion [n=hirion@draugr.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [01:25] I've contacted both the original (?) author and illustrator, and buttered them up, but haven't asked for anything. [01:25] thanks 2 you both for taking you w/e for this . [01:25] kjcole: have they responded and been friendly? [01:25] I get the impression they'd be willing, provided there's time. [01:25] kjcole: awesome [01:26] janeW: Both replied very positively. [01:26] :) [01:26] jelkner, I recall that the original tuxlab docs had a lot in them about physical infastructure, how are you handling this in transition to dapper ubuntu [01:26] flint, we should keep it ... [01:26] agreed [01:26] we will keep it [01:26] Also, as I said in e-mail a bit premature, but just something to keep in the back of heads: When/If hardcopy publishing, perhaps Lulu Press... [01:26] but edubuntu will be more specific [01:26] we should also have hardware specs in there, we get asked about that alot [01:26] the physical stuff will be the ame everywhere [01:26] janeW: I am running to a meeting (2 actually) I am sorry I am not here today. However, I have just sent an email to the ML where I report on everything I have been upto. [01:27] to the distro [01:27] tuxlab is a project, not a distro [01:27] janeW, they should be on the website [01:27] mhz: great, thanks [01:27] so it was more general [01:27] yes, understood [01:28] ok, folks, i need to run... [01:28] ok any more of the documentation? [01:28] same time next week [01:28] yup [01:28] thanks jelkner , have a good day [01:28] bye [01:28] later jeff...thanks. [01:28] bye [01:28] ogra: I presume other docs like about edubuntu etc will come later in the cycle, it;s still a bit early for that now [01:28] yup [01:29] howevere I see ubuntu has a release note page up, to gather stuff as it happens, should we do the same? [01:29] mdz has put up a dapper release notes page, we should probably do that too now [01:29] heh [01:29] ok, I'll do that [01:29] ok artwork? [01:29] We're meeting once a week, and lore's pretty simple as markup. One thing is it doesn't (yet) produce an index, though I understand that's in progress too. That's it from me and documentation. [01:29] is there any one here to talk about that? [01:30] mhz is gone .... [01:30] any news from the canonical side ? === janeW hasn't heard of lore, but if it works for you and saves in a usable format I am happy === mhz still here ogra :) [01:30] for the professional stuff ? [01:30] ogra: no nothing yet. silbs is still not back in the office, so I don;t expect anything till she is back and settled [01:30] lore is best found with the search term python-lore... [01:31] lore is the Twisted Python's built-in documentation stuff for their docs, converts to HTML, LaTeX, and a couple of others I think. [01:31] i'd still like to know if we get pro artwork for all three age stages we'll have [01:31] has anyone responded to the recent mailing list messages offering help? [01:31] the neat thing about lore is that it is default installed in the badger by default :^) [01:32] I know mhz is doing great things in the spanish speaking commmunities, but we need to harness the english speaking offers of help too [01:32] toxictoadz has been approved as a member of the Edubuntu Cookbook Cooks, but I haven't written back yet. [01:32] janeW: harness, how do you see it? [01:32] ogra: re art, I'll try to get an answer on that soon... by the way do you agree that the 3 designs should be 1) Junior, 2) senior 3) Plain ? [01:33] yes [01:33] (and mhz... well, he's already here, isn't he. ;-) He's also a cook.) [01:33] janeW, is there leather involved :^) === mhz is not giving opinions today or he'll get motivated to stick around :D [01:34] glad there are so many cooks... dont spoil the book :P [01:34] janeW, (I think the e-mail you were referring to was from toxictoadz) [01:34] and beware the salt :) [01:34] janeW, I mean about the harnessing...can you point to a page about the levels Jane? [01:35] flint, its on the meeting records [01:35] the part from ubz [01:35] flint: thx for harnessing question.. I hadn't got that either [01:35] oops [01:35] flint: levels? [01:36] hmm, it actually isnt ... [01:36] janeW, I mean designs [01:36] I was talking about toxictoad and Babak Manssouri and any others that come along [01:37] flint: sorry I am not understanding you today [01:37] toxictoadz looks to be more of a translation and artwork person [01:37] flint, the artwork package will be configurable to select between 3 age levels ... [01:37] there is no further magic involved :) [01:37] by harness I meant if someone offers help, grab them and suck them dry.... [01:37] (joking) but make the most of it... [01:37] janeW, the 3 designs should be 1) Junior, 2) senior 3) Plain these are the levels... [01:37] flint, since we'll get a professional designer i cant say much more [01:38] flint: Ahhh I understand the levels now... [01:38] janeW, is levels an appropriate term? [01:38] flint: it's not much more that that for now, so we are starting with a clean slate... what we have now (apart from wallpaper) is liked for junior [01:38] flint: looks? [01:39] janeW, it's ok nobody understands me (SIGH!:^) === ulinskie [n=yolynne@202.57.88.34] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [01:39] janeW, I must have missed Babak Manssouri. I haven't paid as much attention to the artwork e-mails. Do you recall if he (I'm assuming "he") was artwork or text or unspecified? [01:39] the mid ager will require a icon set decision ... [01:40] has anything happned with the a11y stuff? [01:40] ogra, ollie will this require a choice screen in the installer? [01:40] janeW, what ally? [01:40] janeW, they are working on a liveCD for massachusets afaik [01:40] ogra: ok [01:40] flint, yes [01:40] flint: I certainly hope not [01:41] ogra: please discuss that with me, that's very suboptimal [01:41] it needs to [01:41] flint a11y = accessability (apparently) [01:41] flint, ally = accessibility [01:41] (later) [01:41] yup [01:41] janeW, Ally = my wife. [01:41] ogra: are we doing edubuntu express at all? [01:41] flint, thats an 11 not ll [01:41] flint, is she accessible? ;-) [01:41] flint: so is she accessible? [01:41] *duck* [01:42] janeW, it will be on the liveCD, so yes .... [01:42] you all are bad people... [01:42] janeW, great minds... [01:42] kjcole: *high five* [01:42] janeW, but that will install only the workstation version [01:42] ogra: oic, ok makes sense [01:42] btw did you all see you slachdot mention? [01:42] janeW, i dont plan a specific edubuntu version [01:42] ogra: and someone NEEDS to mention LTSP there [01:43] s/c/s === ogra doesnt write on /. [01:43] Nice! And that guy Greg Philips? who did the nice review in his blog... [01:43] yes :) [01:43] ogra, ollie what the heck is up in Massachusetts? [01:43] ok we are chatting again - which is fine as long as someone isn't waiting to talk about something important... [01:44] flint, they are in the decision process to switch theor municipalities ... [01:44] to linux [01:44] janew, I think the slashdot piece repudiated your graphic choices... [01:44] or some other stuff ... [01:45] ogra, I am in the next state over. let me know who/how I can get involved please. [01:45] Since we're just chatting, any thoughts/post-Dapper+x fantasies regarding publication or is that a Doc Team question? [01:45] flint, no idea .... i only know that they wahted to look at ubuntu but require full a11y support [01:46] Also, not sure of the appropriate meeting: I've been in touch with a friend who [01:46] so the a11y team tries to provide a liveCD to test ... [01:46] flint, you might want to contact TheMuso or dholbach about it === pburkholder [n=pb@vpn22.ucar.edu] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [01:46] kjcole, publish or perish eh? I see the connection know between ally and dapper. Thanks ollie for the contact names. [01:47] flint: I didn't get that... but I was hearing pl saying it's nothing but a different desktop, completey missing the LTSP component === march [n=marc@dslb-084-062-013-148.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [01:47] hi@all [01:47] kjcole: for the cookbook you mean? [01:47] is blind and was a professional Braille proofreader for the Library of Congress. He's peripherally helping with both a11y and helping me make connections with LoC to get a cookbook officially part of their collection... [01:47] janeW, i saw people mentioning the LTSP [01:48] janeW: The cookbook in particular, but other stuff as well possibly. [01:48] kjcole: if we make it rock we can may be convince the sabd to publish it [01:49] janeW, the Slashdot review really played up the angle of a distro for geek children. This is hitting the nail on the head (or in this case geekletts ont he head :^) [01:49] janeW: Ah. Well, then that *potentially* simplifies things. [01:50] flint: agreed === mhz has wikied the mail sent for better use http://wiki.edubuntu.org/MauricioHernandez/WeeklyUpdates/2005Dec7 [01:50] kjcole, jez kevin, if you write a good book, somone will publish the silly thing. Keep your shirt on and write! [01:50] ok, sorry you all, gotta run! [01:50] bye [01:50] mdz, thanks! [01:51] flint: i guess that dcc didn't work through my router/firewall-thingie [01:51] janeW, ok enough stroking jane, what's next on your dreaded agenda? === janeW must get these notes up, and get back to dapper status updates, in prep for ***4AM*** meeting tomorrow am [01:52] dholbach, what dcc thing my man? === hunger [n=hunger@p54A61F4B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [01:52] flint: you made a dcc chat request? [01:52] janeW: 2am surely ... [01:52] flint, artwork is always last :) [01:52] the ones that moaned about not enough time are not even here this week, and so we have extra time. [01:52] Kamion: 4am for me (UTC +2) [01:52] oh, didn't realise .za was so far ahead [01:52] Kamion: yup [01:53] just for the record, we have a popular contributor to edubuntu, linus sent a little app :) [01:53] Kamion: you wanna add anything esle to edubuntu? [01:53] nope [01:53] ogra: oh yes! [01:53] ogra: he hasn't responded to me yet... [01:53] its a cool thingie but has an awful gui :) [01:53] only comment really is that adding installer questions is non-trivially awkward, and with the live installer you have to design two UIs [01:53] I'd really very strongly recommend making it easily switchable after install instead [01:53] (you have to do that anyway) [01:54] Kamion: ITA [01:54] the ltsp hack for edubuntu breezy nearly managed to break ubuntu netboot [01:54] Kamion, yes, we can decide on a defaulut ... [01:54] and only didn't by dumb luck [01:54] ogra: do you agree, we should have a default and then make it switchable after install? [01:54] janeW: ITA? [01:54] janeW, see above :) [01:54] I Tend to Agree [01:54] dholbach, sorry I am a nubie re dcc... [01:54] ah, ok [01:55] flint: don't worry :) [01:55] ogra, thingie? More specific? [01:55] Kamion, and i'm not sure if we want to keep the ltsp hack.... it doesnt make sense for multiarch ltsp [01:55] flint: and with me you are either stroked or whipped - take your pick :P [01:56] kjcole, it logs out a given user afer a certain amount of time ... [01:56] and shows a timer .... [01:56] (the time is written in tcl and looks awful, the tool iself is very cool) [01:56] *timer [01:57] ogra: I can see more justification for ltsp-client-builder [01:57] Kamion, you are not refering to the "lotr" patch when you talk of an ltsp hack are you? [01:57] flint: no === zakame_ [n=zak@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [01:57] Kamion, i'd rather have http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/LTSPManager/ for post install action [01:57] Kamion, gotcha. [01:58] so you can select the target arch for the clients [01:58] it's just technically difficult at the moment to have different installer flow for different flavours (ubuntu/kubuntu/edubuntu), for pretty much the same reason as we can't have different base systems for different flavours; a lot of it's done by priority in the archive and we don't have per-flavour priorities [01:58] flint: referring to the thing in the Edubuntu installer that builds an LTSP client chroot during install [01:58] Kamion, but thats neither speced nor do i put time into it currently, its only a base for community contributions [01:58] Kamion, i am on the page thanks [01:59] ogra: integrating that into the live installer would be sane I think, but probably dapper+1 [01:59] yes [01:59] thats what its planned for [01:59] (dapper+1) [02:00] Tick-tock... Time for me to run to work so I can make the A11y Team meeting. (Someday, maybe I'll do work for my office again too...) [02:00] i did only the glade stuff and the worst backend part (dhcp...) te rest is for community contribution and has a non predictable deadline === pirast [n=pirast@p508B2B82.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [02:01] janeW, meeting done ? === pirast [n=pirast@p508B2B82.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["Leaving"] [02:02] yup thanks guys [02:02] thanks janeW :) [02:02] everyone OUT ;P [02:02] janeW thanks. will hang for the ally meeting here. [02:02] janeW, thanks for having us. ;-) [02:03] janeW, meeting next week same leather time same leather channel? [02:03] Flint, a11y's not for an hour and a half *I HOPE* (I'm at home and need food on the way to work) [02:04] kjcole, gotcha I will be back in 90 minutes then. thanks kevin. [02:04] Later all... === flint [n=flint@69-164-120-179.sbtnvt.adelphia.net] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["Leaving"] [02:04] /leave === zakame [n=zak@ubuntu/member/zakame] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["Leaving"] === uwe|UNI [n=haneen@213.244.124.16] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === crimsun [i=crimsun@pdpc/supporter/silver/crimsun] has left #ubuntu-meeting [] === march [n=marc@dslb-084-062-013-148.pools.arcor-ip.net] has left #ubuntu-meeting [] [02:45] pong === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === dholbach [n=daniel@u5-32.dsl.vianetworks.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === jbailey [n=jbailey@modemcable139.249-203-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === TheMuso [n=luke@dsl-202-173-132-131.nsw.westnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === kjcole [n=kjcole@pchb1f.gallaudet.edu] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [03:27] Hey kjcole. [03:27] Hiya, kidz. [03:27] hey === jbailey bleets === jsgotangco [n=jsg@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [03:28] jbaily, baaaaaah humbug? [03:28] dee dum [03:28] s/jbaily/jbailey/ [03:28] kjcole, Well. It's the only noise I ever seen a kid game. =) [03:29] jbailey, ah. touche. [03:31] We still don't have Henrik. [03:31] meeting started? === ealden [n=ealden@219.90.93.246] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [03:31] Don't think so. [03:32] I was chatting with him a while ago and he was going off to lunch. I'd expect him back RSN. [03:32] right [03:32] jbailey: Thanks. [03:32] ahhh [03:32] everybody can check https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AccessibilityTeamMeetingAgenda in the meantime === jsgotangco waits for henrik to roll around === hno73 [n=Henrik@henrik.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [03:32] ROCK === jgrieves [n=jgrieves@cpe-66-25-129-237.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [03:32] Yes please do. THere have been some additions to it. [03:32] speaking of henrik... [03:32] hello all! [03:32] Welcome Jason. Nice to have you along. [03:32] hi henrik === jgrieves yawns ugg 5 hours of sleep [03:33] Hey Henrik. [03:33] hi Luke :) [03:33] hi everybody [03:33] everybody had a brief glimpse on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AccessibilityTeamMeetingAgenda ? [03:33] us low vision people need at least 7 hours of sleep to function properly === crimsun [i=crimsun@pdpc/supporter/silver/crimsun] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === TheMuso doesn't think it has been updated since he added a few things.. [03:33] who proposed the first topic? === mpt [n=mpt@200-171-140-32.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [03:34] I think that may have been stuff from last meeting. [03:34] oh yes [03:34] we proceed to the 2nd item [03:34] TheMuso: that's yours, right? [03:34] But did we talk about use cases much, or look into them? [03:35] Should we now? [03:35] we can do that as well [03:35] Ok. [03:35] hrmm [03:35] jsgotangco: ...? :) [03:35] Oh, sorry. I think I proposed most of the points without name :p [03:35] i like the idea of #2 [03:35] im looking at the site now [03:36] 1-5 really :) [03:36] hno73: don't worry :) [03:36] Jason Grieves, who is fortunate enough to be present at this meeting has been writing some documentation about using Ubuntu with the various accessibility apps. You can grab a copy from http://www.themuso.com/ubuntu/accessibility. It is a text file. [03:36]