=== zen-afk [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:07] <\sh> grrrr === JanC [n=janc@lugwv/member/JanC] has joined #ubuntu-motu === doko_ [n=doko@dslb-084-059-065-243.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === wj1 [n=Warren@auproxy1.proxy.lucent.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bpuccio [n=brian@ool-457a9c38.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ptlo [n=senko@83-131-69-90.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@cpe-69-205-38-37.nycap.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Kyral [n=kyral@hamlin-166-12336.hamlin.clarkson.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:39] Either they took down my ban or my Hostmask allowed me in ;P [12:40] nobody is banned here [12:41] in #ubuntuforums [12:41] ah === seth_k|lappy tries to get into the forums [12:41] I'm still banned [12:41] why do they ban people there ? [12:41] the Arnieboy issue [12:41] for disagreeing :P [12:41] tsk [12:42] Kyral, shush! Amaranth is handling my banning thingy [12:42] oh seth_k|lappy I changed my LP name to Kyral [12:42] oh lol [12:42] sorry [12:42] don't you make a fuss about it [12:42] jiminy [12:42] last thing I need is for them to actually have a reason [12:43] so if its now to https://launchpad.net/people/kyral my ubuntu.com redirect should change to kyral soon? [12:43] supposedly [12:43] kk [12:46] sweet: [17:45] Were not under the CoC, nor do we give a shit about the CC in here.. [12:46] I countered don't worry [12:46] goes to show how much the forums are part of Ubuntu [12:53] seth_k|lappy: is said FLeiXiuS an moderator inn forums? [12:53] s/inn/in/ [12:53] yah [12:53] he is [12:53] I loved that [12:53] they banned my old hostmask [12:53] minghua, yes http://ubuntuforums.org/member.php?u=26 [12:54] I popped back in said, "May want to try the cloak" and left ;D [12:54] the guy sucks at banning [12:54] if you changed your identd name, you could get back in [12:54] No [12:54] that would be intentional ban evasion [12:55] this time was an accident [12:55] may I remind, "they're not under the CoC" :P === seth_k|lappy is going to go put that quote on the CCAgenda [12:56] seth_k|lappy: the situation of forums is apparently worse than I thought === minghua is sad === sistpoty [n=sistpoty@ubuntu/member/sistpoty] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:56] hi folks [12:56] hi sistpoty [12:57] Should I wage war with my Forums account or just keep helping people [12:57] Kyral, the users are obviously the important part [12:57] Agreed [12:57] I shall keep my normal Forum duties [12:58] minghua, I'm banned on the forums because I, like Ubuntu, think that the principles of free software are good === JanC [n=janc@lugwv/member/JanC] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:58] Kyral, what's the command to toggle your cloak on/off === plugwash [i=plugwash@p10link.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:59] seth_k|lappy: you "unidentify" from NickServ [12:59] seth_k|lappy: I read the logs of CC meeting today, and saw that ubuntugeek (is he/she the founder of ubuntu forums) pretty sad with the current situation [01:00] minghua, he's the founder... but I think the only thing he's sad about is that the CC "interferes" in the forums. [01:00] minghua, he talked about shutting the forums down (thinly veiled threat) [01:00] seth_k|lappy: I was thinking the problem of forums is just misinformed users, now it seems some moderators are misinformed as well [01:00] Kyral, unidentify and then reID? [01:01] no [01:01] the Cloak is tied to your NickServ login [01:01] just changing to an unregistered nick [01:03] seth_k|lappy: what was ubuntugeek's opinion? does he want CC to be involved in the conflicts in forums or not? my reading is that he wants CC involved as arbitrator. [01:03] minghua, my reading was that he wanted the CC to bugger off [01:03] let me read it again [01:04] have the link handy? [01:04] ping azeem [01:04] hi [01:04] seth_k|lappy: http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/ubuntu-meeting-2005-12-06.html [01:05] hi azeem [01:05] azeem: you maintain mopac7 as well? [01:05] yes [01:05] it used to be included in the ghemical source tree, but they split it out for 1.90, so I packaged it as well === wj1 [n=Warren@auproxy1.proxy.lucent.com] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [01:06] azeem: it won't build on ia64 :/... iirc debian is affected as well, just in case you haven't noticed yet [01:06] hrm [01:06] minghua, here is his opinion: "well i am tired of this bullshit surrounding the forums and the ubuntu community and the community council.. I am seriously considering terminating the project or removing the official status it has. i find it hard to accept the CC an make any rules or decisions when they dont even visit the forums" === robitaille [n=robitail@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:08] azeem: yep... build from nov28 failed... same prob on the ubuntu buildd... and I don't have a clue at all :( [01:09] huh, wow [01:09] yeah, vorlon and neuro discussed this earlier [01:09] I saw it, but didn't realize it was about mopac [01:09] seth_k|lappy: I _think_ he meant the CC should perticipate in the forums then make decisions, not just asking for links and listen to arguments from both sides in IRC meetings as CC is doing now [01:09] 10:47 < vorlon> anyone care to take a crack at this ia64 build failure, tied into the latest C++ transition? [01:09] http://buildd.debian.org/fetch.php?pkg=mopac7&arch=ia64&ver=1.10-1&stamp=1133225861&file=log [01:09] 10:49 < neuro> try -O3 ? [01:09] 10:49 < neuro> binutils/compiler bug [01:09] 10:50 < vorlon> one that requires raising the optimization level? eep [01:09] 10:50 < vorlon> hmm, I guess it's building with gcc-3.4; wonder what the reason is for that [01:09] 10:50 < neuro> raising the optimization level might make things small enough that you don't exceed the size for GPREL22 [01:09] 10:51 < vorlon> ok [01:10] 10:51 < neuro> that would be the first thing to fix, the problem may just go away then [01:10] -O3 didn't work, though [01:10] wow, what a crack *g* [01:10] http://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=17224 [01:10] gcc bug #17224: [3.4/4.0 Regression] : relocation truncated to fit: GPREL22 Product: gcc, Component: target, Severity: minor, Assigned to: rth@gcc.gnu.org, Status: RESOLVED, Resolution: FIXED http://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=17224 [01:13] azeem: why is mopac7 built with gcc-3.4? [01:13] due to that fortran->c stuff [01:13] a lot of KDE Packages coming down the pipe [01:13] Maybe I can finally install Kubuntu-Desktop [01:14] azeem: ah, I see [01:14] sistpoty: libg2c0 is from gcc-3.4, and I believe it does not exist for gcc-4.0 anymore (similar to g77) [01:14] I could be wrong of course [01:14] anybody would like to try a lamp metapackage and let me know if it works ? [01:14] raphink: I think Seveas has one... [01:14] Kyral: really, [01:15] yeah [01:15] azeem: it is... iirc I took a glimpse if this could be avoided, but it seems that then all fortran libs needed to be recompiled with gfortran instead of g77 [01:15] ? [01:15] maybe we could compare [01:15] Seveas: wanna see mine and you can give me yours [01:15] Seveas: I've been meaning to ask what that has in it [01:15] .? [01:15] raphink, seveas.ubuntulinux.nl/pool/seveas-meta [01:15] sistpoty: yeah, there is no policy in place for gfortran if I understood doko correclty [01:15] ok thanks [01:16] http://seveas.ubuntulinux.nl/pool/seveas-meta/seveas-meta/lamp (to be precise) [01:16] azeem: k, thx [01:16] hmm Seveas you should submit that to the Universe [01:16] it would help a lot I think [01:16] Seveas: we do not have the same goal in a lamp meta I think ;) [01:17] Kyral, no, I discussed metapackages a few times before and it was rejected [01:17] Seveas, phpmyadmin instead of, say, mysql-query-browser? are you specifically wanting a web-based admin tool? [01:17] ah okay [01:17] lamp does not mean the same for everyone [01:18] {linux,bsd,solaris}{apache,lighttpd}{mysql,postgres,sqlite}{php,perl,python,ruby} [01:18] seth_k|away, it is just an example package [01:18] Seveas: no I mean my goal is to have a set up LAMP, not merely a list of package [01:18] raphink, what more do you need to set it up? [01:19] wait a min i'll show you [01:19] an evil postinst that will 100% guaranteed bork on upgrades? [01:19] Seveas also, do you know anything about the status of the cloak on my nick yet? [01:19] an evil postinst that prevents users from having to edit apache2.conf and ln -s php*.load [01:19] which is what most people want [01:19] seth_k|away, should be set already [01:22] raphink, eep [01:22] that's bad [01:22] that's what a2enmod is for [01:22] and the php postinst does an a2enmod for php [01:22] yes [01:22] maybe [01:22] but I believe if it's well done it can be good [01:22] lemme see your postinst :) [01:23] hehe [01:23] it's just a mockup [01:23] Seveas: http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/451767 [01:24] very basic [01:24] i'm afraid the php package doesn't set apache2 right [01:24] although I agree it should [01:24] at least libapache2-mod-php4 [01:24] I never needed to do these actions [01:24] I did [01:25] on all the machines I installed a LAMP on [01:25] on ubuntu that is [01:25] a2enmod does that [01:25] php wouldn't activate by itself [01:25] php{4,5}.conf has that apache config part [01:25] neither the AddType, nor the ln -s [01:26] and php{4,5}.load has the LoadModule [01:26] well then the a2enmod doesn't work in libapache2-mod-php* ,I guess [01:26] it works fine for me on hoary and breezy [01:26] you only have to restart apache afterwards [01:26] nope [01:26] and doing that in the postinst of the metapackage is very icky [01:26] I had to do these two changes manually [01:27] I agree it's weird to do it in the postinst of a metapackage but it just didn't set on any of the system I installed a LAMP on [01:27] what if s.o. purges the lamp? [01:27] +package [01:27] ghe [01:27] the postinst of php5 does both a2enmod AND reloads apache === etcp [i=foobar@home.etcp.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:28] not the one in php4 [01:28] http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/5469 [01:28] im pretty sure it does [01:29] http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/451772 [01:29] it almost does nothing [01:30] it does [01:30] http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/5470 [01:30] your version is the postinst from the source [01:30] what postinst is taht? [01:30] look at the postinst in the package [01:30] that is php4 from the deb [01:31] ? [01:31] in the source you miss a lot, that's what debhelper adds [01:31] # [01:31] # dh_installdeb will replace this with shell code automatically [01:31] # [01:31] # generated by other debhelper scripts. [01:31] # [01:31] [01:31] # [01:31] hmm ok [01:31] #DEBHELPER# [01:31] and guess what: that part does all the magic [01:31] yes [01:32] so you don't need to do ANYTHING manually [01:32] I have _exactly_ the same postinst in the deb [01:32] in breezy that is [01:33] I don' tsee where you see this long postinst :( [01:33] that is weird, which version us that [01:33] where do you find these? [01:33] libapache2-mod-php4_4%3a4.4.0-3_i386.deb [01:34] ooooh [01:34] so you're nto talking about php4 pacakges [01:34] well duh [01:34] but about libapache2-mod-php4 [01:34] for apache you need libapache2-mod-php{4,5} [01:34] yes [01:34] the php package itself should do nothing about apache config [01:35] heh it's 1:35 AM [01:35] it would be very strange if it did [01:35] does a2enmod remove the # before the AddType too? [01:35] no [01:35] the AddType is done by a *separate config file* [01:35] php4.conf [01:36] hmmm [01:36] which a2enmod symlinks (and your postinst not) [01:36] conclusion: for a complete lamp setup you only need to install packages :) [01:37] and set a mysql password (but you don't want that in a postinst) [01:37] I'm sorry but [01:37] I ran dpkg-reconfigure libapache2-mod-php4 [01:37] and I still have no php module in /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/ [01:38] 7 if [ "$1" != "configure" ] ; then [01:38] 8 exit 0 [01:38] 9 fi [01:38] the postinst only does that when installing [01:38] well how come they were not present when I installed them then? [01:39] dunno, somthing borked I guess [01:39] yes I guess [01:39] I have to find that out and file a bug I guess [01:39] it's not the first time it happens to me [01:40] just removed it and reinstalled it [01:40] you have looked in the right postinst, right? [01:40] and it's not there [01:40] did you purge it too? [01:40] is colin@colino.net here? [01:40] hey ajmitch [01:40] hello sistpoty === sistpoty hopes to make it to school on saturday [01:41] ;) [01:41] hmm [01:41] then there's phpmyadmin that doesn't want to be removed === ajmitch will be hiding in bed [01:41] hehe [01:41] raphink: no kidding, blame me [01:41] you need to install another package to get it to uninstall cleanly :) [01:41] ajmitch : why? [01:41] which package ajmitch? [01:42] because it needed to build on the older yada right before release, which broke removal [01:42] but it let the security fix build [01:42] ... [01:42] Seveas: do you plan on getting your package in universe? [01:42] raphink, not a chance that it'll be accepted [01:42] raphink: make sure debconf is installed (it should be) [01:43] ajmitch ok [01:43] sure it is === ajmitch can't recall which other package it was [01:44] https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/phpmyadmin/+bug/4200 for the ubuntu bug, fyi [01:44] Malone bug #4200: failure to source /usr/share/debconf/confmodule in phpmyadmin.prerm causes package removal to fail In: phpmyadmin (Ubuntu), Severity: Normal, Assigned to: Nobody, Status: New https://launchpad.net/bugs/4200 [01:45] ok [01:47] ah, make sure that ucf is installed [01:47] hmm ok [01:47] I don't need to remoev it right now though ;) [01:48] ok.. === ajmitch looks around for whoever packaged kino [01:51] ah, ogra [01:51] whats wrong ? [01:51] it doesn't install, file conflicts with older kino-dvtitler [01:51] oops [01:51] i'll fix that tomorrow [01:51] ok [01:52] thanks :) [01:52] or feel free if you like ;) === PlanarPlatypus [n=alucard@cpc3-cove3-5-1-cust39.brhm.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:52] s/if you like/if its urgent/ === ajmitch would need to be able to test it [01:53] it's not urgent, I don't exactly use it [01:53] i cant test it either ... [01:53] trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/kino-gtk2/libdvtitler.so.0.0.0', which is also in package kino-dvtitler [01:53] looks like it shouldn't try to install this file [01:53] yup [01:53] it just needs a Replaces line [01:53] ok [01:53] there are more plugins they merged in 0.8.0 [01:54] ah that's good [01:54] i'll have to look into it ... for now i just needed to close the merge bug, we want to run MOM again ... [01:54] that's fine [01:54] I can look tonight if you want [01:55] ... that only works if all merge bugs are closed .. [01:55] ogra: mom will run again? [01:55] azeem: ping? === ajmitch hasn't been assigned any merge bugs in main [01:55] sistpoty, if we have time left [01:56] sistpoty, main had dealine last thursday for merges [01:56] ogra: no need to hurry with merge bugs though... current merge list doesn't cover all mom runs yet, but I already figured how to find out what needs to be touched again [01:56] if it does run again, feel free to assign me some merge bugs :) [01:56] ajmitch: I can make assign all merge bugs to you ;) [01:57] (but not write correct english) [01:57] ajmitch, i ususally have only a small amount ... Riddell is the one who suffers from merges [01:57] sistpoty: I should clear up all the zope bugs in a day or two [01:57] ajmitch, i guess he's grateful for every of his merge bugs you grab [01:57] there's only 40 of them, all alike [01:58] ajmitch: cool [01:58] LaserJock: pong [01:58] a few minutes per zope package is needed :) [01:59] http://ajmitch.meta.net.nz/debuild/ubuntu/merge-tool/current/merges [01:59] I still see a few from an up-to-date comparison [02:00] azeem: found another bug in ghemical :( [02:00] ajmitch: how did you build that comparison list? because i'll be in need to find out current dapper/unstable versions for updating the merge-list [02:00] LaserJock: :( [02:01] azeem: should I try reporting to debian BTS? or should I just email the ghemical-devel ML? [02:01] sistpoty: an old script of mine - it loads the debian & dapper sources & does a compare for each package :) [02:02] I should rewrite it for python-apt [02:02] LaserJock: I think it would be best to record it in some bug tracker as well, like the BTS or malone [02:02] ajmitch: can it be easily adopted to just spit out unstable-version/dapper version for a given sourcepackage? (and may I eventually reuse that?) [02:02] azeem: I will do it in malone if that's ok with you. I'm not yet comfortable with the Debian bts yet. [02:03] ok [02:03] sistpoty: of course [02:03] ajmitch: cool [02:04] Loaded [02:04] treecc is at version 0.3.6-2 in Debian [02:04] treecc is not in Dapper [02:04] treecc is at version 0.3.6-2 in DpUniverse [02:04] (not in Dapper means not in main) [02:04] ajmitch: rock! thx in advance :) [02:04] ajmitch_: you should get banned for saying that in here [02:05] azeem: probably [02:05] and I should sleep, laters [02:05] night [02:05] good night azeem === ogra follows up [02:05] night all [02:05] gn8 ogra === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.38] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:05] night ogra === poningru gives \sh_away a big hug [02:10] how do I set the chmod for some files in a package? [02:11] i've seen that in some packages but can't remember how === bmonty [n=bmontgom@wsip-68-15-230-31.om.om.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:13] raphink: I know one way to do it is using install with -m options [02:14] yes I knwo that [02:14] raphink: depending on what you need, dh_fixperms is probably good enough [02:14] can I use it in an install file? [02:14] I need to set the permissions of 6 files in particular [02:14] among all [02:14] they need special rights [02:15] raphink: Hmm, what's wrong with chmod in debian/rules? === ajmitch usually just does chmod [02:15] nothing's wrong [02:15] I just have to fine where to put it [02:16] and if I put it in build:: or install:: [02:16] ah, cdbs? [02:16] then it's overridden by dh_fixperms [02:16] yep [02:16] hehe [02:16] so i'm wondering if there's a section where I can put it [02:16] so it is executed after the fixperms [02:16] an example [02:16] binary-post-install/gnue-common:: chmod 0755 debian/gnue-common/usr/lib/gnue/python/gnue/common/printing/pdftable/sample.py [02:16] except it's on 2 separate lines [02:17] irssi didn't really want to cooperate in pasting ;) [02:17] so you put it in binary-post-install [02:17] hehe [02:17] ;) [02:17] raphink: sounds like you need the -X option for dh_fixperms [02:17] yes, I did put in in binary-post-install:: [02:17] I can't change fixperms directly minghua as long as i'm using cdbs [02:17] isn't cdbs obvious? ;) [02:18] ajmitch my package is arch indep [02:18] raphink: I see. sorry I've never used cdbs [02:18] should I put it in binary-* still? [02:18] so is mine [02:18] good for you minghua :) [02:18] ok :) [02:18] i'll try that [02:18] thanks a lot [02:18] :) [02:19] cdbs is often a bit of black magic though [02:19] a bit [02:19] hehe [02:20] just a bit ;) === ajmitch wonders if networkmanager will be ready for dapper [02:21] it's not black magic... it's only makefile magic (but i guess that's black too) ;) [02:22] sistpoty: having to read cdbs source to follow what is going on is bad enough [02:22] hehe ajmitch, I tried once... but gave up pretty fast === ajmitch has done it a few times [02:22] argh [02:23] I put it in binary-post-install [02:23] but it is still run before fixperms [02:23] argh [02:23] really? [02:23] yes [02:23] justa bit before [02:24] well i'll look at that tomorrow [02:24] i'm too tired right now [02:24] debhelper is enough black magic for me :-) [02:24] thanks for your help ajmitch [02:24] maybe use DEB_FIXPERMS_EXCLUDE as well [02:24] hmmm [02:24] I'll see about that [02:24] note that mine was binary-post-install/packagename:: [02:24] but not now [02:25] not sure if that's needed :) [02:25] now is bed time [02:25] yes I noted that ajmitch [02:25] and did the same [02:25] binary-fixup/packagename:: might be more useful [02:25] gnight raphink [02:25] since your rule should run after cdbs' rule [02:26] thanks [02:26] I'll try that and then go to bed [02:26] hm [02:26] if not, then the last rule is binary-predeb :) [02:26] that's my last attempt for tonight [02:26] good to know :) [02:27] good [02:27] fixup runs after dh_fixperms :) [02:27] great [02:27] so it should work [02:27] my package didn't fit fixperms, I think [02:27] s/fit/hit/ [02:27] :) [02:28] mhm [02:29] yes === seth_k|lappy [n=seth_k|l@ubuntu/member/sethkinast] has joined #ubuntu-motu === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.38] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:35]