[12:16] <mhz_cook> ogra: r u here?
[12:16] <ogra> partially
[12:17] <ogra> trying to stay awake for my dev meeting at 3am :/
[12:17] <mhz_cook> :)
[12:17] <ogra> and preparing stuff
[12:17] <mhz_cook> Matthias got me ubuntu-cl.org
[12:17] <ogra> great :)
[12:17] <mhz_cook> and he got me a moin wiki 
[12:17] <mhz_cook> indeed
[12:18] <mhz_cook> but he says I can 'login'
[12:18] <mhz_cook> using an email address
[12:18] <mhz_cook> (he provided such address)
[12:18] <Lord_Athur> I am reinstalling Edubuntu!!!
[12:18] <Lord_Athur> :D
[12:18] <mhz_cook> but I dont understand
[12:18] <Lord_Athur> I left Debian
[12:18] <mhz_cook> Lord_Athur: cool
[12:18] <Lord_Athur> :P
[12:19] <mhz_cook> ogra: you know what he means?
[12:19] <mhz_cook> ogra: is he meaning an FTP or ssh access?
[12:19] <ogra> no idea 
[12:19] <mhz_cook> ok
[12:19] <ogra> i never used any of smurfs servers
[12:19] <mhz_cook> me neither, yet
[12:20] <mhz_cook> 'smurfs' are a special kind?
[12:23] <ogra> no idea 
[12:23] <ogra> i never saw one :)
[12:24] <mhz_cook> ogra: lol
[12:38] <Yo_como> hasta 5 minutos
[12:50] <Lord_Athur> hey ogra, I've installed ubuntu and with apt-get I got edubuntu, the artwork is very good!
[12:51] <ogra> thanks :) 
[12:51] <Lord_Athur> :P
[12:52] <Lord_Athur> did you have to modify the artwork of each application?
[12:54] <ogra> nope
[12:56] <ogra> the widget and windowmanager themes are the same as ubuntu, i changed the icon theme to gartoon, added a different splash screen and a different default wallpaper
[12:56] <ogra> thats all...
[12:57] <Lord_Athur> ap it's looking fine
[01:01] <Lord_Athur> where are the theme files?
[01:01] <Lord_Athur> the icons for example
[01:01] <ogra> they are packaged ... the package installs them in /usr/share/icons
[01:03] <Lord_Athur> if I chege an icon there, can this make a mistake?
[01:05] <ogra> it will get overwritten on updates
[01:05] <Lord_Athur> ok
[01:05] <Lord_Athur> thanks
[01:45] <ClayG> if install edubuntu will I have to go through all the config'ing to get the ltsp up and running as I would if using a diff dist?
[01:48] <ogra> http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuInstallNotes
[01:48] <ogra> ClayG: ^^^ you need to edit one file post install
[01:49] <ogra> welcome btw :)
[01:49] <ClayG> so i can edit one file post install then install edu on what i want to be the thin client?
[01:49] <ClayG> and thank you
[01:50] <ogra> nope, you dont install anything on the thin client ...
[01:50] <ogra> you install edubuntu on the server and just use the bootcd you just built for the client to boot ... everything else works automatically
[01:50] <ClayG> oh ok i gotcha
[01:51] <ClayG> I have ubuntu
[01:51] <ClayG> i just installed the package from synaptic
[01:51] <ClayG> er
[01:51] <ogra> oh, ok in this case you have to do everything manually
[01:53] <mhz> ClayG: but it is very simple
[01:54] <ClayG> I'm stuck, I made the rom disk
[01:54] <mhz> ClayG: sorry, what did you get via synaptic?
[01:54] <mhz> :)
[01:54] <ClayG> oh
[01:54] <ClayG> the ltsp package
[01:54] <mhz> ohh
[01:54] <ClayG> but i made a cd to boot from
[01:54] <ClayG> then the next step is to also make a boot floppy?
[01:54] <mhz> then manually, as ogra said
[01:54] <ClayG> yup
[01:55] <ogra> nope, you set up the ltsp ...
[01:59] <ogra> ClayG, http://wiki.edubuntu.org/ThinClientHowto
[02:00] <ClayG> For some reason I find that guide hard to read, it seems to be written by developers. I'm checking the ubuntu forums, I can usually get the info there.
[02:01] <ogra> dont do that
[02:01] <ogra> thats the only valid document
[02:01] <ogra> you need to do 3 steps ...
[02:01] <ogra> install ltsp-server-standalone 
[02:02] <ogra> install openssh-server
[02:02] <ogra> run sudo ltsp-build-client 
[02:02] <mhz> ClayG: http://wiki.edubuntu.org/Howto-setup-LTSP-server-on-Ubuntu-Breezy
[02:02] <ogra> and then just follow the EdubuntuInstallNotes
[02:02] <mhz> http://wiki.edubuntu.org/LTSPHowTo
[02:03] <mhz> or, what if you just apt-get remove --purge ...?
[02:03] <mhz> and then just apt-get install edubuntu-server ?
[02:03] <ogra> still needs all the manual steps
[02:04] <mhz> ogra: manual = /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf ?
[02:04] <ogra> (which are 4, not three, but still, *dont* i repeat *dont* follow the forum docs about this, it will surely break your system)
[02:05] <ogra> mhz, see above
[02:05] <mhz> ogra: but I don't recall ever doing that 
[02:05] <ogra> thats what you have to do if you install ltsp on ubuntu
[02:06] <mhz> aahhh, he wants LTSP
[02:06] <mhz> not edubuntu?
[02:06] <ogra> he has ubuntu 
[02:07] <ogra> which still requires ltsp-build-client and /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf editing :)
[02:07] <mhz> that's why I dont recall any manual steps
[02:07] <mhz> well, that .conf, sure
[02:20] <paolob> Hi guys
[03:57] <mhz> jsgotangco: thx for the example
[04:01] <jsgotangco> :)
[08:48] <lucasvo> hello
[09:57] <janeW> http://www.bloggingbaby.com/entry/1234000340071196/
[12:46] <musicacademy> hi
[12:49] <musicacademy> question :)
[12:49] <musicacademy> how to configure the terminal server application under edubuntu?
[12:50] <musicacademy> it is said it comes in a package
[01:29] <spacey> check the documentation on the website 
[02:21] <spacey> janeW, ping
[03:24] <spacey> janeW: ping :)
[03:25] <janeW> spacey: pong
[03:25] <irvin> hey you're alive! :-)
[03:27] <janeW> moi?
[03:28] <irvin> i thought ye were all sleepin
[03:29] <janeW> nah, it's 4;30pm here
[03:37] <ogra> Yagisan !
[03:37] <Yagisan> ogra !
[03:38] <Yagisan> whats up ?
[03:38] <ogra> Yagisan, multiatrch is in and accepted, will appear in te next upload
[03:38] <Yagisan> ogra: Great :-D
[03:38] <irvin> ogra!
[03:39] <ogra> Yagisan, i think mdz waits until usplash and ldm are ready on my side ... so it might still take some days
[03:39] <ogra> hi irvin 
[03:40] <irvin> ogra, i got the presentation. thanks, i could definitely use it...
[03:40] <ogra> great
[03:40] <Yagisan> ogra: ok, but it's good to get the start of the multiarch patches in
[03:41] <ogra> yes, but i'd still like to tewak it a bit, to make ppc on amd64 and i386 servers possible ... but probably not before dapper+1 
[03:41] <Yagisan> ogra: I'll try coaxing qemu into helping get ppc on amd64/i386 going (although that didn't go to well a few weeks ago)
[03:41] <ogra> still waiting on answer for my iMac for 160 :)
[03:42] <ogra> i wonder why ... i rather suspect its a quemu prob ...
[03:42] <Yagisan> yep - qemu had some trouble with bash IIRC
[03:42] <Yagisan> simple things such as ls, uname, etc worked
[03:43] <Yagisan> needed to register a binfmt-misc handler as root (didn't work as sudo) to identify the ppc binaries
[03:44] <ogra> i'll test with real HW :)
[03:44] <Yagisan> had to be run with the qemu "interpreter" a la #!/bin/sh
[03:44] <Yagisan> qemu (or a subsitute) will be needed for the unpack and install of the ltsp chroot
[03:47] <Yagisan> ogra: Doesn't canonical purchase hardware for you ?
[03:48] <ogra> Yagisan, thin clients, yes, but the iMac i want myself ... and 160 are a nice price ...
[03:49] <Yagisan> ogra: ok, you could write that 160 off as a work related expense then
[03:51] <ogra> yes, from german taxes anyway ;)
[04:12] <spacey_ki> ogra, that transparant proxy thing didn't work 
[04:13] <spacey_ki> :/
[04:13] <spacey_ki> ended up giving a blank page to every internet request
[04:13] <ogra> spacey_ki, i'll inspect it some more, dont worry ...
[04:13] <spacey_ki> ogra, actually i found the same line and a few variations online
[04:13] <spacey_ki> and it works for some people at least
[04:13] <ogra> currently i'm also looking into this: https://addons.mozilla.org/extensions/moreinfo.php?application=firefox&id=226
[04:13] <spacey_ki> i just wondered if it might be because of willow
[04:14] <spacey_ki> i only see squid examples
[04:14] <ogra> i'll package it and will include it into universe ... then lets see how user feedback an bug reports go
[04:14] <spacey_ki> btw
[04:14] <spacey_ki> it also depends on a multiverse package
[04:15] <spacey_ki> python2.4-profiles
[04:15] <jsgotangco> err ogra, do you know by any chance who maintains firefox?
[04:15] <jsgotangco> or anything that is mozilla for that matter?
[04:15] <spacey_ki> i do think proxy is the way to go to filter content, just some plugin is not really useful imho
[04:17] <ogra> spacey_ki, very important for home usage
[04:17] <ogra> if you only have to manage 1-2 accounts for your kids its perfect
[04:17] <ogra> its not suitable at all for schools indeed :)
[04:17] <ogra> jsgotangco, Diziet
[04:18] <ogra> hmm, i wonder why -profiles is in multiverse ... thats bad
[04:31] <Lord_Athur> hi
[04:31] <jsgotangco> ogra: right, thanks
[04:51] <Mez> hey all :D
[04:52] <mhz> hy
[04:53] <Mez> whats the default admin passwords for postgres in edubuntu
[04:53] <Mez> to set up moodle
[04:54] <Lord_Athur> how can I modify the *.cat & *.bin files?
[04:54] <Lord_Athur> is there a program to do that?
[04:55] <mhz> Mez: good question but I have no answer :( , maybe ogra knows
[04:56] <ogra> Mez, there is none
[04:56] <freelove> what does "Configuring LTSP chroot" mean?
[04:56] <ogra> leave it blank
[04:56] <mhz> Yagisan: hey! how is family prob. doing?
[04:56] <Mez> ogra: then why cant it connect to the database ?
[04:56] <ogra> Mez, it can here ... is the DB running ? 
[04:57] <mhz> Lord_Athur: .bin files are binarios, meaning you need to get the sources to generate the binary you need
[04:57] <Yagisan> mhz: mother-in-law goes into surgery in a few days. We are hoping it goes well.
[04:57] <Lord_Athur> ok
[04:57] <ogra> freelove, that the ltsp changeroot gets built
[04:57] <mhz> Yagisan: ok. And how are you doing?
[04:57] <freelove> ogra: i made that mistake, left it blank, then edubuntu wont let me log in!!
[04:57] <ogra> freelove, in postgresql ?
[04:58] <freelove> it asked me to add my IP address to some conf file
[04:58] <ogra> you dont log in in postresql
[04:58] <freelove> ogra: during installation......
[04:58] <ogra> freelove, you did read the EdubuntuInstallNotes as pointed out everywhere, right ? 
[04:58] <ogra> (see /topic)
[04:58] <mhz> freelove: that ip should not affect your login to edubuntu system
[04:59] <mhz> freelove: that ip setting culd only affect the edubuntu ltsp 
[04:59] <freelove> but it did:( it did not let me login.......anyways.....
[04:59] <Yagisan> mhz: somewhat stressed and worried. I'd like to be there with her, but can't make the trip at the moment
[04:59] <ogra> Mez, you did something wrong during moodle install i guess ... it creates the DB user on install for you and automatically connects to the DB post install
[04:59] <mhz> Yagisan: wife in Japan?
[05:00] <ogra> freelove, please read the doc and dont let the password for your admin user blank ..
[05:00] <mhz> freelove: edubuntu system = server where you installed edubuntu
[05:01] <mhz> freelove: edubuntu ltsp = setting for ltsp and therefore users from clients
[05:01] <freelove> ok i got it from the docs.......if i need workstation ive to type that.....otherwise if i press enter, ive to give my IP address during install...
[05:01] <ogra> exactly
[05:01] <Yagisan> mhz: no, shes with me. But if mum gets worse, I'll send her.
[05:01] <ogra> since you act as a classroom server which is edubuntus intention by default ...
[05:02] <mhz> Yagisan: best wishes to you all
[05:02] <ogra> this server gives the IPs to all other machines in your net, so it needs a static IP you have to give at install time
[05:03] <ogra> the workstation version is only an addon ...
[05:03] <freelove> will edubuntu ALWAYS be here, as long as ubuntu is here? are edubuntu/ubuntu developers same?
[05:03] <ogra> yup
[05:03] <mhz> yup
[05:03] <Yagisan> mhz: thanks mhz.
[05:03] <ogra> as long as my boss pays me  ;)
[05:03] <mhz> Yagisan: yw
[05:03] <mhz> ogra: c'mon!
[05:03] <freelove> but ubuntu n kubuntu developers aint same, am i right?
[05:03] <ogra> they are
[05:04] <mhz> Yagisan: that too :D
[05:04] <freelove> then why is kubuntu breezy so buggy but ubuntu isn't?
[05:04] <mhz> ogra: meritocracy says you will
[05:05] <ogra> freelove, i'm employed by canonical as ubuntu/edubuntu developer, the rest of people helping are volunteers, the same applies to kubuntu, Riddell (the kubuntu main dev) is employed by canonical and the rest of kubuntu devs ar volunteers
[05:05] <mhz> freelove: cause ogra is not there
[05:05] <mhz> :)
[05:06] <ogra> freelove, because Rissled doesnt have as much volunteers ... edubuntu is based on gnome, so i can rely on my colleagues working on ubuntu and gnome ... 
[05:06] <ogra> err
[05:06] <ogra> s/Rissled/Riddell
[05:06] <freelove> oh i seeeeeeeeeeeeeee
[05:06] <Yagisan> freelove: whatever "app" that is buggy in kubuntu, is also buggy in ubuntu. A bug report to bugzilla for apps in main, or malone for all others is helpful
[05:07] <ogra> freelove, Riddell has to care for the whole desktop on his own
[05:07] <freelove> HEY!! i just read in the edubuntu review that ogra here is mark? am i talking to mark shuttleworth??!!!!!!!
[05:07] <ogra> LOL
[05:07] <ogra> nope
[05:07] <Yagisan> freelove: no
[05:07] <ogra> i'm oliver grawert
[05:07] <ogra> as ogra might imly
[05:07] <ogra> imply
[05:07] <freelove> then?? http://www.bloggingbaby.com/entry/1234000340071196/ its written here.....
[05:07] <ogra> yes
[05:08] <ogra> he got a lot wrong
[05:08] <Yagisan> another one ?
[05:08] <freelove> oh okkk.....i wish!
[05:08] <ogra> i have a mail to im pending here that should clearify most of it 
[05:08] <ogra> mark is "sabdfl" he's in #ubuntu-devel very frequently
[05:08] <freelove> now i know why kde is not there in edubuntu....it would have been better....:)
[05:09] <freelove> thanks ogra i'd love to talk to him
[05:09] <Yagisan> it seems a lot of the reviews have been written by people that could have used edubuntu as children ... :-P
[05:09] <ogra> you can, he's only human as we all aer ;)
[05:09] <ogra> *are
[05:09] <freelove> whr can i find kubutnu developers?
[05:09] <mhz> freelove: kde can be used with edubuntu
[05:09] <ogra> freelove, it would have been as buggy as kubuntu then ...
[05:09] <mhz> #kubuntu
[05:10] <freelove> it would have been better if kde was default in edubuntu....i mean......kids & families wud loved it......
[05:10] <Lord_Athur> ogra, where are the icon files in the instalation cd of ubuntu?
[05:10] <mhz> hmmm, yes and no, freelove 
[05:10] <Yagisan> freelove: what is so buggy about kubuntu ?
[05:10] <ogra> freelove, i dont think so... we had a summit with a lot of people and it was decided by the users to take gnome
[05:11] <freelove> Yagisan: often kubuntu would land me in console mode for no reason.....
[05:11] <ogra> Lord_Athur, all packages are in the pool directory
[05:11] <freelove> ogra: i see
[05:11] <Lord_Athur> ok
[05:11] <ogra> freelove, amu is thinking about making a kedubuntu as a community project
[05:11] <Yagisan> freelove: you use nvidia binary drivers ?
[05:11] <freelove> Yagisan: and when i shut down it would often show me a blank screen for so long.....and then shut down suddenly......
[05:11] <freelove> Yagisan: no...intel built in ones
[05:12] <freelove> ogra: that would be great!!!!!!!1
[05:12] <mhz> Yagisan: any icewm close experience with real cool customization of it?
[05:12] <freelove> i'd love to use ubuntu, but only if gnome were a bit better.....
[05:12] <ogra> freelove, but there is no prblem installing kubuntu-desktop on top of edubuntu, so make your chioce post instal and you are fine ;)
[05:13] <Yagisan> mhz: not really, I used it as a lightweight wm, that I could them like Win or Mac to get people used to linux
[05:13] <ogra> freelove, file bugs if you see problems in gnome to make it better ;)
[05:13] <mhz> freelove: also, you can install 'server' mode instead of pressin default enter in installation. Then you could install any desktop you wish
[05:13] <freelove> theres no burning app, totem is awful, no encrypting app, text written in popup notes clear when u exit it......
[05:14] <ogra> burning is integrated by default in the file manager
[05:14] <mhz> Yagisan: i am trying to find time to work on lightweight WM for edubuntu.
[05:14] <ogra> encryption is there in all apps
[05:14] <freelove> ogra: after i had this experience, i did the same...what ur saying....surprisingly those probs again showed up......
[05:14] <mhz> Yagisan: so far , I am 'expereinced' in customizing Fluxbox and WindowMaker
[05:15] <ogra> totem is ok, its just lacking the codecs that are illegal to be shipped by us... its a fine app if you install them post install
[05:15] <freelove> ogra: but NOW when i installed ubuntu, then kde 3.5.......im not having such probs......so the prob seems to be with the old kde packages...
[05:15] <ogra> that might be, i dont touch kde if nobody forces me
[05:16] <freelove> ogra: but playback in totem looks so awful.......see the diff when u run the same video in kaffiene......
[05:16] <Yagisan> mhz: IIRC the two you mentioned are more lightweight then icewm
[05:16] <freelove> it looks clearer, richer, smooth.......
[05:16] <ogra> i cant bear the kde ui, it looks so cluttered
[05:16] <Yagisan> freelove: kde apps work fine in gnome. I use k3b on gnome
[05:16] <ogra> even if riddell did y good bunch of work to cut it down ...
[05:17] <ogra> i simply dont need 40 buttons in one app that should have 5 ... 
[05:17] <freelove> ogra: i like clear looks of gnome really......but the few points i mentioned make kde more productive....and featurefull.......
[05:18] <ogra> i object that, but thats really personal preferencse we cant argue about :)
[05:18] <freelove> ogra: u can right-click something, then set it as background, edit as root, etc.. these are not in gnome.....
[05:18] <freelove> i agree
[05:18] <freelove> personal pref:)
[05:18] <ogra> and the success of ubuntu somehow showas that gnome is very powerful imho :)
[05:18] <ogra> *shows
[05:19] <freelove> a lot of ppl like gnome i know..my own friend does:)
[05:19] <ogra> and a lot of people like kde :) 
[05:19] <freelove> but guess what? if ubuntu were kde-based it would have been far more popular IMHO:)
[05:19] <ogra> and i'd really like to see keubuntu happen to make users like you happy :)
[05:20] <freelove> ogra: thx:)
[05:20] <mhz> freelove: ogra: Kde is a fine in-your-face features desktop fro people in such need. Gnome is less agressive int the sense of features in your face. There are people who love that (like my wife and mom).
[05:21] <freelove> mhz: yes...its really a matter of personal pref:)
[05:21] <mhz> but for users like me that want the features only when they need them (hardly ever), Wmaker is cool enough
[05:22] <mhz> I dont need jumping icons or a full-of-effects menu, just to run the applications with the best perfoirmance possible
[05:22] <mhz> :D
[05:22] <freelove> but newbies are more comfortable with lotsa features...like me....plus i find kde more attractive imho:D
[05:22] <mhz> indeed.
[05:23] <mhz> when I want to show off in front of mac or xp users, I show KDE and GNOME alternatives.
[05:23] <Yagisan> l33t users don't even use kde/gnome. They don't even use monitors. They have their keyboard lights blink out the display in morse code :-P
[05:23] <mhz> hehehehe
[05:23] <Yagisan> guys/girls - we are heading into kde vs gnome, vi vs emacs territory here
[05:24] <Yagisan> we can change from one to another easily. Don't like one, pick another
[05:24] <ogra> yes, lets drop the topic :)
[05:24] <freelove> lol.....
[05:24] <freelove> sure:)
[05:25] <freelove> since kde is better theres no point arguing............lol:D
[05:25] <Yagisan> anyone other then myself, familiar with mencoder ?
[05:26] <ogra> Yagisan, talk to slomo :)
[05:26] <ogra> he's the mplayer/mencoder packaging god ;)
[05:27] <Yagisan> thanks ogra
[05:29] <freelove> i believe more ppl are into developing ubuntu than kubuntu am i right?
[05:29] <ogra> freelove, not really, but we have the backing of the ubuntu desktop team ...
[05:30] <ogra> so my work is mainly adjusting stuff in the ubuntu dsktop
[05:30] <freelove> ok so more ppl are into ubutnu desktop than kubuntu desktop:)
[05:33] <mhz> indeed
[05:35] <ogra> freelove, btw, small hint, sabdfl just joined #ubuntu-devel
[05:36] <freelove> thx ogra!
[05:36] <mhz> Yagisan: that is still japaneese to me
[05:37] <mhz> :)
[05:37] <Yagisan> mhz: heard of mplayer ? mencoder is the encoding part
[05:37] <mhz> aahhh
[05:38] <mhz> now we are talking
[05:38] <mhz> is mplayer free-as-in-freedm
[05:39] <Yagisan> mhz: yes - but it's in multiverse because it hooks every codec known to man even windows only ones (i386 only)
[05:39] <Yagisan> and most likely violates several bogus us patents
[05:39] <mhz> oh
[05:40] <Yagisan> mhz: why oh ?
[05:41] <Petaris> Hello
[05:41] <ogra> ni
[05:41] <ogra> err hi
[05:41] <Yagisan> G'day
[05:41] <Petaris> Hey ogra
[05:42] <Petaris> you too Yagisan
[05:42] <Petaris> Hows the ltsp comming along?
[05:43] <ogra> multiarch entered yesterday , ldm is waiting for two trivial variable name changes ... bootspeed is from 90sec down to 55 already (more to come) usplash love for thin clients is there ...
[05:44] <Petaris> Any production users yet?
[05:44] <ogra> yes, a bunch
[05:44] <Petaris> cool
[05:44] <ogra> and the next version will really rock ... :)
[05:45] <Petaris> Will it be ready by summer?
[05:45] <ogra> Petaris, april
[05:45] <ogra> we always release in april and august
[05:45] <Petaris> I would really like to get away from Fedora (k12ltsp)
[05:45] <Yagisan> Petaris: It's already summer :)
[05:45] <ogra> err april and october 
[05:46] <ogra> silly me
[05:47] <ogra> Petaris, probably not for april but surely for oct we'll have a lot o new admin tools that are very edubuntu cenrtric ...
[05:47] <Petaris> great
[05:48] <ogra> i.e. http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/LTSPManager/
[05:48] <Petaris> Too bad I couldn't get it working and stable last summer
[05:48] <ogra> the student-control-panel as teacher tool replacement should be there in april already (with limited functionallity)
[05:49] <ogra> spacey, is helping with content filtering ...
[05:49] <ogra> so it comes along quite well already ...
[05:49] <Petaris> LTSP Manager looks nice
[05:50] <ogra> todays daily CD sould be the first one in a testable state btw ...
[05:50] <Petaris> will there be the ability to use other than just gnome?
[05:50] <ogra> it always was there 
[05:50] <Petaris> ahh
[05:51] <Petaris> how are you doing sound to the clients?
[05:51] <Petaris> esd?
[05:51] <Petaris> nas?
[05:51] <ogra> for the upcoming release it will be esd
[05:51] <ogra> for dapper+1 (oct) we'll have a completely new approach
[05:51] <Petaris> I'm running into problems with esd with somethings
[05:52] <Petaris> but I think its bandwidth related
[05:52] <ogra> (using an alsa file pipe through ssh tunnel with direct HW access)
[05:52] <ogra> i have rather seen gui slowness than having choppy sound while testing 
[05:52] <Petaris> right
[05:52] <ogra> (with esd that is)
[05:53] <ogra> but we'll have sound included by default from april on ...
[05:53] <Petaris> are you giving the clients a fake /dev/dsp or something to look at?
[05:53] <Petaris> or are you thinking of using esddsp wrappers?
[05:53] <ogra> since we have to support the next release for at least 3 years i'm not allowed to make real intrusive changes :/
[05:54] <ogra> i'll use the wrappers
[05:54] <Petaris> you could run into issues ther
[05:54] <Petaris> *there
[05:55] <Petaris> I also get lots of static on esd when using the scroll on the mouse, but that too could be a bandwidth thing
[05:55] <ogra> i talked to several people that have very huge setups that ude it this way ...
[05:55] <ogra> s/ude/use
[05:55] <Petaris> hrm
[05:55] <ogra> huge == some 100 clients
[05:55] <Petaris> nice
[05:55] <ogra> the biggest was ~400
[05:55] <Petaris> I only have 25
[05:55] <ogra> 100 Mbit ? 
[05:56] <Petaris> gbit server/switch with 100Mb clients
[05:56] <ogra> hmm, shouldnt have network issues 
[05:57] <freelove> i wish there was a boy in the edubuntu wallpaper......the girl one is good though.....
[05:57] <Petaris> ogra, I think that some of the issues are fc bloat
[05:58] <ogra> hmm, might be, or 2.4 probs ...
[05:58] <ogra> or does k12 already use 2.6 ?
[05:58] <Petaris> using 2.6.11
[05:58] <ogra> even in ltsp ? 
[05:58] <Petaris> yeah
[05:58] <ogra> wow
[05:58] <Petaris> well, I do anyway and it is supported
[05:59] <Petaris> not sure what the clients get served
[05:59] <ogra> afaik ltsp 4.1 has issues with 2.6, but i might be wrong
[06:00] <Petaris> 4.4.1 now
[06:00] <Petaris> I made a desktop clone script btw
[06:00] <Petaris> so management wasn't bad
[06:01] <Petaris> I just have one account that I set up the way I want then I run my script
[06:01] <Petaris> works great and fast
[06:01] <Petaris> and I am using xfce
[06:01] <Petaris> night Yagisan
[06:02] <ogra> night Yagisan 
[06:02] <ogra> Petaris, nice
[06:03] <Petaris> you guys want the script?  it needs to be modifed to your setup but maybe you could build it into your LTSP manager
[06:03] <ogra> if its not fiddling with systm config files etc ...
[06:04] <ogra> i.e. /etc/skel is a nono for being touched by packages
[06:04] <Petaris> nope, only user directories, but needs root privs to run
[06:04] <ogra> sure, send it to the mailing list or to me personally ...
[06:05] <Petaris> there you go
[06:05] <Petaris> it uses rsync
[06:05] <ogra> ah, i remember it :)
[06:05] <Petaris> wipes out everything in there home dir and writes what was in the "master" setup
[06:06] <Petaris> :)
[06:07] <Petaris> its simple but it works
[06:07] <ogra> yup, i'll look where it fits in
[06:08] <Petaris> nicest thing is it works with any desktop  :)
[06:09] <Petaris> I think I'm going to shoot it to Paul Nelson at k12ltsp too
[06:09] <Petaris> he already has a system but it only works with gnome
[06:09] <Petaris> and kde I think
[06:10] <Petaris> I really can't wait to get back to a sane distro for ltsp
[06:11] <Petaris> It took me a month to even get fc to be able to grab updates
[07:16] <Lord_Athur> ogra, did you write a wiki about changing the artwork?
[07:16] <ogra> nope
[07:16] <Lord_Athur> :S
[07:17] <ogra> the package will work completely different in the next release
[07:17] <Lord_Athur> then could you tell me the forlder (the exact one)that contains the icons in the ubuntu CD-ROM
[07:20] <ogra> pool contains the packages, look for packages with icon-theme in the name
[07:20] <ogra> there are several
[07:26] <Lord_Athur> ok
[07:26] <Lord_Athur> thanks again
[07:26] <Lord_Athur> :D
[08:09] <Lord_Athur> if I open a terminal, it says "Ubuntu 5.10 "Breezy Badger"", can I change the name of the distro to "edubuntu"?
[08:12] <RichiH> is there a live cd in the meantime?
[08:12] <ogra> RichiH, the first tst version *could* be rady on the weekend
[08:12] <ogra> *test **could
[08:12] <ogra> err **ready
[08:13] <ogra> the daily install appears to be testable already ... the livefs waits for the kernel and udev changes to be integrated in the live bootloader
[08:14] <ogra> Lord_Athur, look in /etc/issue
[08:17] <Lord_Athur> ok
[08:36] <chris_h> greets, having successfully installed the terminal-server-sytem - gratz to edubuntu
[08:36] <chris_h> my question: is TeachersPet available?
[08:38] <chris_h> somebody here?
[08:43] <chris_h> hello?
[08:53] <chris_h> hi somebody herE?
[08:54] <chris_h> Ive a question ...
[08:54] <Lord_Athur> what file do Ihave to modify in the Ubuntu instalation CD for get (when the system is installed) form this CD) in the login "Edubuntu, liva la educacin!" intead of "Ubuntu 5.10 "Breewzy Badger""?
[08:55] <chris_h> do you know if teachers Pet is available?
[08:56] <Lord_Athur> what's pet?
[09:34] <Lord_Athur> hi
[11:04] <Lord_Athur> ogra, What file did you modify in the instalation CD of Ubuntu for get the phrase "Edubuntu" instead of "ubuntu 5.10 "Breezy Badger"" in the login windows(in the terminal or tty)?