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| allee | seaLne: AFAIR you asked about raw image support in digikam. See http://mail.kde.org/pipermail/digikam-users/2005-December/000682.html | 12:46 |
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| freeflying | seth_k how about kde3.5 in dapper now ? | 04:01 |
| seth_k | freeflying, that's what I'm dist-upgrading to | 04:03 |
| seth_k | er, that's to what I'm dist-upgrading | 04:03 |
| seth_k | :) mmm prepositions | 04:03 |
| freeflying | seaLne lol | 04:03 |
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| seth_k | :P | 04:04 |
| freeflying | seth_k i can not use kdebluetooth since i upgrade to kde3.5 | 04:04 |
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| Knowerrors | hey all, can anybody help with this http://www.kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=2088.0 ? | 04:38 |
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| seaLne | allee: thanks | 08:04 |
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| chmj | kde-devel not installable | 11:08 |
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| viviersf | Riddell : ping | 12:25 |
| Tm_T | chmj: in dapper? "never" been I think | 01:00 |
| chmj | *gfnf* | 01:00 |
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| \sh | can someone check knoda from today_ | 01:34 |
| \sh | `? | 01:34 |
| Tm_T | sure | 01:35 |
| Tm_T | hmh, debtags still don't install :( | 01:35 |
| Tm_T | *** glibc detected *** free(): invalid pointer: 0x085982f8 *** | 01:35 |
| Tm_T | /var/lib/dpkg/info/debtags.postinst: line 22: 544 Aborted debtags update | 01:35 |
| Tm_T | \sh: hmm, not installable here | 01:36 |
| \sh | Tm_T: error message...or just because of debtags and adept | 01:42 |
| \sh | anyways...I have to go back to our training | 01:43 |
| \sh | bbl | 01:43 |
| Tm_T | \sh: dependencies, looks like it hasn't updated | 01:43 |
| Tm_T | \sh: knoda: Depends: kdelibs4c2 (>= 4:3.4.3) but it is not installable | 01:44 |
| Tm_T | that's first one | 01:44 |
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| jpatrick | bonjour JRe | 02:04 |
| JRe | jpatrick: jour | 02:05 |
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| seaLne | has anyone had any probs with amarok 1.3.7 in breezy? | 02:36 |
| jpatrick | seaLne: nope | 02:37 |
| seaLne | its complaining about no available engines | 02:37 |
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| seaLne | hmm weird the next time i started it it is happily playing stuff | 02:40 |
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| kay | hi, is there any hope for kdevelop in Dapper the next weeks? | 02:42 |
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| Riddell | Mez: how do I check out katapult? | 04:06 |
| Mez | baz register-archive http://mirror.sourcecontrol.net/mez@ubuntu.com/ | 04:07 |
| Mez | though | 04:07 |
| Mez | thinking about it | 04:07 |
| Mez | I've got a pcakcged version for debian | 04:07 |
| Mez | which you might wanna grab | 04:07 |
| Mez | so after that | 04:07 |
| Mez | oh, actually | 04:07 |
| Mez | baz register-archive http://mirror.sourcecontrol.net/mez@ubuntu.com--2005/ | 04:07 |
| Mez | I'll sort out the packagaing branch in a sec | 04:08 |
| Mez | ah | 04:13 |
| Mez | baz and http proxies dont mix | 04:13 |
| Mez | when you need it by? | 04:13 |
| Riddell | soon | 04:17 |
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| jpatrick | Riddell: can we translate kubuntu.org ? | 04:19 |
| author-psi | jpatrick: wich language? ive translate to german (see kubuntu.de) | 04:23 |
| jpatrick | author-psi: I might via Rosetta | 04:23 |
| jjesse | morning :) | 04:23 |
| jpatrick | meant* | 04:23 |
| Riddell | jpatrick: not easily, if you can work out a good way to get it to make and use .po files that would be gresat | 04:24 |
| Riddell | great | 04:24 |
| jpatrick | I could make a .pot | 04:31 |
| Riddell | well yes, but you'd need some way of making it and some way of reading the appropriate .po file | 04:33 |
| Riddell | and it would have to be done in such a way as not to make writing the website difficult | 04:34 |
| Riddell | but it can't be difficult, google for php and gettext and I'm sure something will turn up | 04:34 |
| jpatrick | GNU gettext support in your PHP build you must add the option --with-gettext[=DIR] where DIR is the gettext install directory | 04:40 |
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| allee | Riddell: maybe you noticed already, Dirk commited an additional xpdf fix in KDE_3_4_branch 2.5 hours ago | 05:04 |
| Riddell | ah hah | 05:10 |
| Riddell | well I'll wait for the official patches to be updated I think | 05:11 |
| allee | :) | 05:12 |
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| freelove | are kubuntu developers here? | 05:23 |
| jpatrick | freelove: yes | 05:23 |
| freelove | :) | 05:23 |
| freelove | will dapper boot faster than breezy? and why is kubuntu bit buggy while ubuntu isnt?:) | 05:24 |
| Riddell | hi freelove | 05:25 |
| freelove | hi riddell | 05:25 |
| Riddell | ubuntu has plenty of bugs too | 05:25 |
| Riddell | but there are fewer of us | 05:25 |
| freelove | but u see.....often kubuntu would land me in console mode for no reason..... | 05:27 |
| freelove | and when i shut down it would often show me a blank screen for so long.....and then shut down suddenly...... | 05:27 |
| freelove | hope it all gets fixed riddell:) | 05:27 |
| freelove | i can understand that there are fewer ppl developing kubuntu....... | 05:28 |
| Riddell | I haven't heard of those issues | 05:29 |
| freelove | Riddell: hmm...one guy had the same xp....u can see the it on the ubuntuforums....or it could be just my luck:) im not sure.......but atleast i hope dapper is faster:) | 05:29 |
| freelove | im not complaining.....just sharing:) | 05:30 |
| freelove | in kde 3.5, i dont see anything when i open storage media..anyway to fix this riddell?? | 05:31 |
| jpatrick | freelove: known | 05:32 |
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| freelove | jpatrick: anyway i can correct this? | 05:36 |
| jpatrick | err... | 05:38 |
| Riddell | freelove: what are you going to write to mark shuttleworth? | 05:39 |
| Tm_T | ? | 05:40 |
| Tm_T | =) | 05:40 |
| freelove | he's there in #ubuntu-devel now....just wanna have a little chat with him...but why do u ask? | 05:40 |
| Tm_T | btw, KDE is working well in dapper atm | 05:40 |
| Tm_T | two small issues here: adept and kde-devel (kdevelop too) | 05:41 |
| freelove | dont worry im not gonna complain abt anything ;)......just praise him for ubuntu:) | 05:41 |
| freelove | :(......no way i can correct the storage media prob? | 05:43 |
| jpatrick | :) | 05:44 |
| Tm_T | storage media prob, he doesn't have am-utils installed? | 05:46 |
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| jpatrick | freelove: don't you have `am-utils` installed? | 05:48 |
| freelove | jpatrick: huh? whats that? but lemme see in synaptic....... | 05:49 |
| Tm_T | hehe | 05:49 |
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| Tm_T | jpatrick: uuh, you got idea how to fix his problem? ;) | 05:50 |
| freelove | jpatrick: ya i didnt have it.....installing it now:) | 05:50 |
| jpatrick | Tm_T: no... | 05:51 |
| Tm_T | no? ;) | 05:51 |
| freelove | its asking me some geeky question? what do i do? | 05:51 |
| Tm_T | what's the question? | 05:52 |
| freelove | is the amd master map propagated through nis? | 05:52 |
| Tm_T | err, gotta go ;--P -> | 05:52 |
| freelove | jpatrick: plz help me.......... | 05:54 |
| jpatrick | I don't use AMD | 05:55 |
| jpatrick | plus I've got some i18n todo | 05:57 |
| freelove | huh? i got it while i was installing am-utils......and im not using AMD! but sorry for disturbing u! | 05:58 |
| Tm_T | freelove: amd is one part of am-utils | 06:09 |
| Tm_T | amd = AutoMountDaemon | 06:10 |
| Tm_T | am-utils = automount utilities | 06:10 |
| Tm_T | simple | 06:10 |
| freelove | Tm_T: but i answered no to that question......... | 06:12 |
| freelove | is the amd master map propagated through nis? | 06:12 |
| freelove | but thx! | 06:12 |
| Tm_T | you answered no? good | 06:12 |
| Tm_T | np | 06:12 |
| Tm_T | now, media:/ shows more now? | 06:12 |
| freelove | Tm_T: it doesnt!! | 06:16 |
| freelove | :( | 06:16 |
| freelove | this did not happen in earlier kde..kde 3.4.x.........?? | 06:16 |
| Tm_T | well, I use 3.5 and all is fine | 06:16 |
| Tm_T | freelove: you do have 3.5 right? not 3.5rc1 or earlier | 06:17 |
| freelove | Tm_T: my luck then:(........did u upgrage? i dunno.....i simply intalled ubuntu.....then kubuntu-desktop........ | 06:17 |
| freelove | i had installed kubuntu b4 so i know these probs werent there... | 06:18 |
| Tm_T | freelove: yes, but what version of kde you have, precisely | 06:18 |
| Tm_T | and what type of system, x86? | 06:19 |
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| Riddell | seth_k|lappy: fancy merging krusader? | 06:20 |
| Tm_T | freelove: and check that kdebase-kio-plugins is installed | 06:20 |
| seth_k|lappy | Riddell, I'd like to have something to help with :) | 06:20 |
| seth_k|lappy | from debian upstream? | 06:20 |
| Riddell | seth_k|lappy: take the latest debian, merge the ubuntu changelog and make sure any ubuntu specific changes are applied, then take the latest krusader upstream if that's newer than debian and package | 06:21 |
| freelove | Tm_T: ive intel-based, those plugins are installed, its kde 3.5 precisely....... | 06:21 |
| Riddell | seth_k|lappy: and for bonus points get it to make a .pot file as described on KubuntuPackagingGuide | 06:22 |
| Tm_T | freelove: ok | 06:22 |
| freelove | 3.5.0 | 06:22 |
| Tm_T | freelove: then some more... | 06:22 |
| freelove | so? :(....how to fix it? | 06:22 |
| Tm_T | freelove: try to install kdeaddons | 06:22 |
| Tm_T | you may feel lucky ;) | 06:23 |
| freelove | Tm_T: i dont......already installed :( | 06:23 |
| seth_k|lappy | Riddell, ooh bonus points... I'm done at 3pm (in 4 hours) and will get right on it then :) thanks for pointing me to something to help with | 06:23 |
| Tm_T | freelove: aaah =) | 06:23 |
| Tm_T | freelove: ok, so you like to see some usb device or what? | 06:23 |
| freelove | no........i see NOTHING when i open storage media....:( | 06:24 |
| Tm_T | freelove: ok, and what there should be? | 06:24 |
| Tm_T | ie what's missing | 06:25 |
| freelove | nor are cds automounted:( | 06:25 |
| Tm_T | aye | 06:25 |
| freelove | things like hda1, hda6, cdrom , dvd........... | 06:25 |
| Tm_T | heh | 06:25 |
| freelove | :( | 06:26 |
| Tm_T | ok, I just don't know | 06:26 |
| Tm_T | sorry :/ | 06:26 |
| freelove | do i have to reinstall? im crying....:( | 06:26 |
| freelove | i think i shud have have installed kubuntu....then upgraded to 3.5..................? | 06:27 |
| freelove | i installed ubuntu......then kubuntu-desktop.... | 06:27 |
| Tm_T | doesn't matter | 06:27 |
| freelove | :( | 06:28 |
| Tm_T | I did installed kubuntu hoary rc, just kept upgrading, then breezy, now dapper | 06:28 |
| Tm_T | freelove: do apt-get install kubuntu-desktop | 06:28 |
| Tm_T | say what it wants to do | 06:29 |
| Tm_T | if any | 06:29 |
| freelove | The following extra packages will be installed: | 06:31 |
| freelove | vorbis-tools | 06:31 |
| freelove | The following NEW packages will be installed: | 06:31 |
| freelove | kubuntu-desktop vorbis-tools | 06:31 |
| Tm_T | heh | 06:31 |
| Tm_T | vorbis tools is good | 06:31 |
| Tm_T | install it | 06:31 |
| Tm_T | but that doesn't fix our issue | 06:31 |
| freelove | it was already there i think.......its reconfiguring i guess......yaaa | 06:32 |
| freelove | but thx for ur help:) | 06:32 |
| Tm_T | heyy | 06:32 |
| Tm_T | it doesn't show hd:s here either :p | 06:32 |
| freelove | what did i tell ya!!:) | 06:32 |
| freelove | some solace;) | 06:33 |
| Tm_T | Riddell: kubuntu specific settings to not show hard disks in systen:/media ? | 06:33 |
| Tm_T | system even | 06:33 |
| freelove | im not the only one;) | 06:33 |
| Tm_T | freelove: but it does show cdroms and memory sticks, that's all I need | 06:33 |
| freelove | it doesnt even show that here...... | 06:34 |
| Tm_T | heh | 06:34 |
| freelove | shud i get rid of kubuntu settings? | 06:34 |
| Tm_T | freelove: nope | 06:34 |
| Tm_T | I don't think that's it | 06:34 |
| Tm_T | this is silly, but you can try this too: reboot | 06:34 |
| Riddell | Tm_T: it's not kubuntu specific, but it is expected | 06:35 |
| Tm_T | oh yes | 06:35 |
| Tm_T | Riddell: I just realised, all partitions is mounted at boot, so users don't have rights to them | 06:36 |
| freelove | i see.......will reboot later though........or i might lose internet...... | 06:36 |
| Tm_T | Riddell: silly me ;) | 06:36 |
| freelove | Tm_T: i can access those media thru /media......but not via storage media......plus why things dont get automounted.... | 06:38 |
| Riddell | freelove: you should get a popup window asking to mount new devices/CDs etc | 06:41 |
| freelove | Riddell: i dont get it | 06:41 |
| jjesse | doesn't ioslave do the popup? or is it ioslave that opens up konqi when you connect a new device? | 06:50 |
| Riddell | ioslave does the popup | 06:56 |
| Riddell | JRee wrote it, he should know :) | 06:56 |
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| Knowerrors | Hey all, I think my permissions are screwed up somehow, some changes won't stick in system settings unless I launch it as sudo, anyone know about this? | 08:31 |
| Knowerrors | btw, Im using kde 3.5 | 08:31 |
| Knowerrors | for example, prefs for removable media notifications won't change | 08:31 |
| jpat|away | Knowerrors: `sudo apt-get remove ivman' | 08:34 |
| Knowerrors | jpatrick: I tried that before, and now nothing automounts | 08:35 |
| Knowerrors | jpatrick: http://www.kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=2088.0 shows what Ive tried and the results | 08:37 |
| jpatrick | hmmm | 08:38 |
| Knowerrors | that was without ivman | 08:39 |
| Knowerrors | with ivman, only difference is it gets mounted in /media/sda1 auto | 08:40 |
| Knowerrors | but system:/media still shows the usb as unmounted | 08:40 |
| jpatrick | do you have HAL running? | 08:40 |
| Knowerrors | I assume so, otherwise ivman wouldn't be able to automount it, right? | 08:41 |
| jpatrick | yep | 08:41 |
| Knowerrors | if I click on the 16M icon, shouldn't that take me to /media/sda1 by itself, instead of trying to mount whats already mounted? | 08:41 |
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| Flosoft | hey | 09:02 |
| jpatrick | Flosoft: hello | 09:02 |
| Riddell | Flosoft: better to be in here then /msg me I think | 09:03 |
| Flosoft | ok | 09:03 |
| Flosoft | can anyone tell me how I open like a new tab in screen? | 09:03 |
| Flosoft | like CTRL+A D is putting in background | 09:04 |
| Riddell | ctrl+a c | 09:07 |
| Riddell | then ctrl+a 0,1,2 to switch | 09:07 |
| Flosoft | thx | 09:17 |
| Flosoft | downloading all 3 isos now | 09:17 |
| Flosoft | they will be online in a sec | 09:17 |
| Flosoft | Riddel: u can already add the Download location: http://mirrors.flosoft.biz/projects/kubuntu/beta.php | 09:21 |
| Flosoft | already added? | 09:37 |
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| Flosoft | ok ... all Images are fully loaded | 09:47 |
| Knowerrors | I know youre not supposed to, but I enabled root for a while and think that has caused problems, how do I go about fixing permissions back how they should be? | 09:52 |
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| Flosoft | is there any interrest in CD Shipping? | 09:58 |
| Riddell | lots | 09:59 |
| Flosoft | well I could do that for Germany and Belgium | 10:00 |
| Flosoft | for the other countries it would be to expensive :S | 10:00 |
| Flosoft | for germany I can send cds @ 2 | 10:01 |
| Flosoft | belgium too | 10:01 |
| Riddell | kubuntu.de already covers that | 10:02 |
| Flosoft | ah | 10:02 |
| jjesse | i want cds w/ kubuntu in them in the us :) | 10:02 |
| Flosoft | thats difficult :S | 10:03 |
| Flosoft | as I live in europe | 10:03 |
| Flosoft | so the shipment would be too expensive | 10:03 |
| author-psi | i have 60 ubuntu cds but i it make me bad to share.. gnome | 10:03 |
| Flosoft | same here | 10:03 |
| Flosoft | that is why Kubuntu CDs would be great | 10:04 |
| author-psi | Flosoft: yes, but i cant buy at linuxshop 60 cds for my friends.. its to expensive | 10:04 |
| Flosoft | yep | 10:05 |
| Flosoft | shipit would be great | 10:05 |
| author-psi | we can dream for the future :-) | 10:07 |
| Flosoft | yep | 10:08 |
| Flosoft | think so too | 10:08 |
| Flosoft | but this is disabling quite a group of people | 10:08 |
| Flosoft | most linux beginners will net be able to get kubuntu because of that | 10:08 |
| author-psi | yeah.. and live cds to my friends or to shops.. | 10:09 |
| Flosoft | hmm ... to shops | 10:09 |
| Flosoft | well ... I can give them to shops | 10:10 |
| Flosoft | but no one will get cds that are just burnt | 10:10 |
| Flosoft | shipit cds ... they have these boxes | 10:10 |
| author-psi | Flosoft: yes.. the wounderful world of open source *g* | 10:11 |
| Flosoft | hehe | 10:11 |
| author-psi | its a sencentes from the mamboo developer: "they want to have boxes.. make your own" | 10:12 |
| author-psi | and the atachment was a pdf document with a box design *lol* | 10:12 |
| Flosoft | lol | 10:12 |
| author-psi | sry for my englisch.. | 10:13 |
| Flosoft | well ... maybe we can get somethinghere | 10:13 |
| Flosoft | would be great to get kubuntu into the shops ... for like only 3 .<<< production costs | 10:13 |
| author-psi | i hope for free shiping like ubuntu | 10:14 |
| Flosoft | yes | 10:15 |
| Flosoft | but maybe getting it into shops | 10:15 |
| insanekane | so why is GNOME preferred over KDE for most free CD distributions ? Same problem in India too :/ | 10:15 |
| Flosoft | that could be a first step | 10:15 |
| Flosoft | because free cds are difficult ... | 10:16 |
| insanekane | so ? even if they were difficult, one should see about 50% free CDs for GNOME, and 50% with KDE | 10:17 |
| Flosoft | but I could try to get them into a shop already? | 10:17 |
| Flosoft | insanekane: ofcourse | 10:17 |
| Flosoft | atleast that | 10:17 |
| insanekane | but its not like that ... | 10:17 |
| Flosoft | I think most people prefer KDE | 10:17 |
| author-psi | insanekane: nice idea.. but canonical.. :-) | 10:18 |
| insanekane | but something forces people who *can* distribute either GNOME/KDE, to choose GNOME over KDE ... i wonder what's the magical touch of GNOME | 10:18 |
| insanekane | author-psi: no, it was not an idea ... it was theoretical statistics :) | 10:18 |
| Flosoft | well ... I think I can try and start to redistribute it in shops here in brussels | 10:18 |
| Flosoft | but I am thinking about the package | 10:19 |
| Flosoft | I mean ... I have no idea how to make these hard covers | 10:20 |
| Flosoft | and the cds prints | 10:20 |
| insanekane | something's wrong with the world | 10:20 |
| insanekane | ... as usual :) | 10:20 |
| Flosoft | yep | 10:20 |
| Flosoft | what should be in a kubuntu cd box? | 10:22 |
| insanekane | i havent used gNOME for years ... is GNOME better than KDE ? objectively speaking of course ... | 10:22 |
| Flosoft | or should it be a box? | 10:22 |
| insanekane | Flosoft: probably just get hard cover CDROM boxes ... easily available in bulk | 10:22 |
| insanekane | i dont mean jewel cases | 10:22 |
| Flosoft | insanekane: well ... gnome has nice integration of all apps together ... but for the rest it is a bit rusty | 10:22 |
| insanekane | Flosoft: more integration than KDE ? | 10:23 |
| Riddell | I'd say KDE has far more integration/consistency than gnome | 10:23 |
| insanekane | Riddell: thats what I thought too ... | 10:23 |
| Riddell | depending on what you call gnome of course, gimp and firefox for example don't follow their style guidelines | 10:23 |
| hunger_ | Anyone noticed the cpufreq reporting getting broken with the 2.6.15 kernels? | 10:23 |
| insanekane | Riddell: so what is GNOME's magic touch ? why more free cd distributors for GNOME than KDE ? | 10:23 |
| Flosoft | I mean ... one thing that was really cool .. I had an incomming SIP call ... and my music faded out | 10:24 |
| Flosoft | that is perfect cooperation between the aps | 10:24 |
| hunger_ | Works fine when I boot the old kernel. | 10:24 |
| === hunger_ is now known as hunger | ||
| Riddell | insanekane: mostly historical that KDE was non-free | 10:31 |
| insanekane | hmm ... figured that would've eroded by now | 10:32 |
| Riddell | ment red hat supported gnome, and ximian who somehow got lots of money and became novell | 10:32 |
| Riddell | sun's ATK work has been a /big/ plus for gnome | 10:32 |
| Riddell | and the culture of simplicity in user interfaces too | 10:33 |
| insanekane | so Plasma/Appeal will probably make it more difficult to achieve that eh | 10:34 |
| Riddell | how so? | 10:34 |
| insanekane | umm ... more complicated user interactions ? new metaphors ? | 10:34 |
| Riddell | hopefully plasma will be simpler. who knows | 10:34 |
| insanekane | hopefully | 10:35 |
| Flosoft | Riddel: was KDE once not free? | 10:35 |
| insanekane | Flosoft: no, Qt was "not free" as in not under GPL | 10:35 |
| Riddell | Flosoft: once upon a time Qt was non-free | 10:35 |
| Riddell | meaning KDE was too | 10:35 |
| Flosoft | ow | 10:36 |
| hunger | Riddell: Do not forget that you need to license QT for a fee when doing commercal development. | 10:36 |
| Riddell | it's also why debian users tend towards gnome | 10:36 |
| Flosoft | well that was past my time | 10:36 |
| insanekane | hunger: thats not so bad | 10:36 |
| hunger | Riddell: GTK is free. | 10:36 |
| Riddell | hunger: when doing properitry development | 10:36 |
| insanekane | hunger: Free as in speech, not beer remember :) | 10:36 |
| Riddell | hunger: so it Qt | 10:36 |
| hunger | Riddell: Qt is GPL or some proprietary license. | 10:37 |
| insanekane | its questionable that free as in beer is a viable proposition i.e., will not be exploited by the big names as they do for patents today | 10:37 |
| hunger | insanekane: Right... you need to pay for QT for proprietary development. | 10:37 |
| insanekane | hunger: yep ... and thats not so bad | 10:37 |
| hunger | I am only stating one reason Gnome cites for its success. | 10:37 |
| insanekane | hunger: paying them, helps KDE as well, since they do sponsor some of the devels iirc | 10:38 |
| hunger | insanekane: Normally I am the one objecting to commercial/proprietary;-) | 10:38 |
| insanekane | hunger: :) | 10:38 |
| insanekane | hunger: then why Linux and not say any of the BSDs ? | 10:38 |
| hunger | insanekane: Well, a company does not care about supporting KDE... | 10:39 |
| hunger | insanekane: Simple reason: Management has heared about linux by now... | 10:39 |
| insanekane | hunger: probably, but management also has lawyers :) | 10:39 |
| Riddell | GTK being LGPL is a bigger help to gnome than most KDE people realise | 10:39 |
| hunger | insanekane: Yeap... and they tell them to stay away from QT. | 10:39 |
| Riddell | insanekane: Linux lets you link to it with proprietry software | 10:40 |
| insanekane | Riddell: oh didn't know that | 10:40 |
| Riddell | insanekane: that's why we have proprietry software | 10:40 |
| insanekane | we ? | 10:40 |
| insanekane | as in Kubuntu devels/canonical ? | 10:41 |
| Riddell | gnu/linux in general | 10:41 |
| hunger | Riddell: IIRC using proprietary SW on linux is not counted as linking. | 10:41 |
| Riddell | I have skype installed I'm afraid to say | 10:41 |
| hunger | Riddell: Separate address spaces, etc. | 10:41 |
| Flosoft | is there anyone here that is in contact with the Kopete devs? | 10:42 |
| Riddell | yes | 10:42 |
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| Flosoft | :) ... maybe the one that does the jabber part? | 10:43 |
| Riddell | Flosoft: what's up with it? | 10:43 |
| Flosoft | I wanted to ask him some stuff | 10:43 |
| Flosoft | as I work alot with jabber | 10:43 |
| insanekane | Riddell: so you an employee of Canonical ? | 10:43 |
| hunger | good night all! | 10:44 |
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| Riddell | hunger: guidance is going to be the tricky one | 10:44 |
| Riddell | \sh: what's the status of pykde? | 10:45 |
| Riddell | insanekane: very nearly, I signed the contract just some hours ago | 10:45 |
| jjesse | wahoo then :) | 10:45 |
| Flosoft | are there some objectives in kde development in integrating the software better with eachother? | 10:46 |
| Flosoft | and maybe making the whole interface even easier ? | 10:46 |
| Flosoft | maybe there should be a kubuntu update watcher | 10:47 |
| Flosoft | and someone should fix kynaptic | 10:47 |
| Riddell | kynaptic is being removed if it hasn't been already | 10:47 |
| Riddell | kubuntu update watcher? | 10:47 |
| Flosoft | yes | 10:47 |
| Flosoft | SuSE has one | 10:47 |
| Flosoft | like a small tray icon | 10:47 |
| insanekane | Flosoft: update watcher = mornfall is working on it | 10:47 |
| Riddell | oh, update-notifier, yes | 10:48 |
| Flosoft | ow nice :) | 10:48 |
| Flosoft | I really think an objective of KDE should be to make the software work together | 10:49 |
| Flosoft | like on mac | 10:49 |
| Flosoft | unlike windows | 10:49 |
| Riddell | that is an objective of KDE | 10:50 |
| Flosoft | :) | 10:50 |
| Riddell | if you have any suggestions I'm sure everyone would be happy to listen | 10:50 |
| Flosoft | ow yes ... maybe easier hardware installation etc. | 10:51 |
| Flosoft | for example suse has a Hardware watcher | 10:51 |
| Flosoft | (YaST | 10:51 |
| Flosoft | ) | 10:51 |
| Flosoft | it would make it easier to configure all hardware in your pc | 10:52 |
| Riddell | what would it watch for? | 10:52 |
| Flosoft | hardware changes | 10:52 |
| Riddell | any specific examples? | 10:52 |
| Flosoft | for example a new soundcard ... network card ... cd drive | 10:52 |
| Flosoft | even mainboard ... cpu | 10:53 |
| Riddell | all of those are already detected at boot time | 10:53 |
| Riddell | I think | 10:54 |
| Flosoft | yes ... but configuration is difficult | 10:54 |
| Flosoft | for example soundcards | 10:54 |
| Flosoft | I got 2 old soundcards still in my boottime ... but they don't exist anymore | 10:54 |
| Riddell | I haven't had to configure a soundcard in gnu/linux for years | 10:54 |
| Riddell | since using suse infact :) | 10:54 |
| Flosoft | hehe | 10:54 |
| Flosoft | well SuSE is quite nice ... if u want to look @ an easy to use Linux | 10:55 |
| jjesse | grin i still ahve to figure out my soundcard issues on an older dell of mine :( | 10:55 |
| Flosoft | I always install suse on the pcs of my clients that use Linux @ home | 10:55 |
| Flosoft | it is easy | 10:55 |
| Flosoft | only problem .... UPDATE | 10:55 |
| Riddell | suse is nice but rpms are a pain | 10:55 |
| Flosoft | and that is a real pain in the ass :p | 10:55 |
| Flosoft | well apt is great | 10:56 |
| Flosoft | it has everything | 10:56 |
| Flosoft | but a tool like yast for kubuntu | 10:56 |
| Flosoft | easy hardware configuration etc. | 10:56 |
| Riddell | yes, that's why ubuntu is getting rid of apt :) | 10:57 |
| Flosoft | ??? | 10:57 |
| Flosoft | whats wrong with apt? | 10:57 |
| Riddell | I don't know, but I guess we'll find out in 6 months | 10:58 |
| Flosoft | hehe | 10:58 |
| jjesse | i love apt, i use it more than adept | 10:58 |
| Flosoft | well i use synaptic ... which is a frontend of apt | 10:59 |
| insanekane | canonical is getting rid of apt ? that is really bad | 10:59 |
| Riddell | s/canonical/ubuntu/ | 10:59 |
| insanekane | err ... ok | 10:59 |
| \sh | Riddell: new version...I#m waiting on the ok | 10:59 |
| insanekane | ubuntu is getting rid of apt ? that is really bad | 11:00 |
| Riddell | \sh: ok from who? | 11:00 |
| \sh | Riddell: anyways..more important things...just resigned | 11:00 |
| \sh | Riddell: upstream | 11:00 |
| Riddell | insanekane: don't worry, it'll all be perfectly sensible | 11:00 |
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| insanekane | hmm i hope so | 11:00 |
| \sh | Riddell: do not worry...you will get some new pykde for 3.5 | 11:00 |
| Riddell | \sh: it's more the people complaining that kubuntu-desktop isn't installable because guidance isn't installable that I need to keep back with a whip | 11:01 |
| Flosoft | ow ... just got a thing | 11:01 |
| Flosoft | the installer!! | 11:01 |
| Riddell | insanekane: investigate "smart" | 11:01 |
| Flosoft | afaik debian has a new one? | 11:01 |
| \sh | Riddell: tell them....\sh is an asshole :) he don#t care about kubuntu-desktop they should install kdebase ,-) | 11:01 |
| Flosoft | and kubuntu should have a new one too | 11:02 |
| Flosoft | like Fedora Core .. SuSE (again :p) | 11:02 |
| \sh | BAH | 11:02 |
| Riddell | \sh: you're waiting on pykde upstream? doesn't that mean you could wait a long time? | 11:02 |
| \sh | Riddell: no...just tomorrow..he wrote that he wants to release a new version tomorrow... | 11:03 |
| Riddell | \sh: oh, excellent | 11:03 |
| \sh | that means..friday...latest saturday | 11:03 |
| \sh | and saturday I will package that what is there.. | 11:03 |
| \sh | Riddell: c u tomorrow from home pc...not from this company pc | 11:04 |
| Riddell | we love you \sh_away ! | 11:05 |
| insanekane | Riddell: smart ? | 11:06 |
| Riddell | yes | 11:06 |
| Flosoft | well ... am i right that debian uses a new installer? | 11:10 |
| Riddell | Flosoft: nope | 11:10 |
| Flosoft | ow | 11:10 |
| Flosoft | I thought I heard about them developing a new installer | 11:11 |
| Riddell | no, debian-installer, same as before | 11:11 |
| Flosoft | the console type one | 11:11 |
| Flosoft | same as kubuntu has | 11:11 |
| Riddell | yes | 11:12 |
| insanekane | Riddell: smart ? | 11:12 |
| Flosoft | hmm | 11:12 |
| insanekane | Riddell: btw, unlike the rest of world (well most of it), time is ripe for KDE in India | 11:12 |
| Flosoft | well the thing I like most in the new KDE ... that is the integration of KDElook.org etc. in kde | 11:13 |
| insanekane | time is ripe for any desktop ... but, i hope KDE takes the lead | 11:13 |
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| insanekane | Flosoft: im talking abt India :) | 11:13 |
| Flosoft | well for the general linux market too | 11:14 |
| insanekane | dunno ... looks like GNOME has it all :/ | 11:15 |
| Riddell | insanekane: are you in india? | 11:17 |
| insanekane | Riddell: smart ? | 11:17 |
| insanekane | Riddell: yep | 11:17 |
| Riddell | insanekane: where abouts? | 11:17 |
| insanekane | Riddell: Kerala, India (big GNOME fanbase here ... FSF India HQ is in Kerala) | 11:18 |
| Riddell | insanekane: I /may/ be going to New Delhi in February | 11:18 |
| insanekane | Riddell: cool :) | 11:18 |
| insanekane | Riddell: its like the other end of the country ;) | 11:18 |
| insanekane | Riddell: KDE-related work ? | 11:19 |
| Riddell | been invited to talk at some conference there | 11:19 |
| insanekane | Riddell: cool :) | 11:20 |
| insanekane | Riddell: you could meet taj there :) | 11:20 |
| insanekane | maybe you know him already | 11:20 |
| Riddell | apparantly he's moving away | 11:20 |
| insanekane | oh ... didn | 11:20 |
| insanekane | t know that :/ | 11:20 |
| insanekane | im out of touch with the free software community in india ... mostly because all of them are addicted to GNOME :) | 11:21 |
| insanekane | ok gotta go ... its 4:00 am here :) | 11:23 |
| insanekane | ciao all | 11:23 |
| Flosoft | hey ... does anyone know a programm for like Music Jingles (maybe amarok plugin | 11:25 |
| Flosoft | extension) | 11:25 |
| seth_k|away | hi Riddell, Ubuntu's krusader == Debian's krusader, and the newer upstream version is a beta... you still want it? | 11:28 |
| Riddell | seth_k: package 1.60.1 | 11:30 |
| seth_k | okey dokey | 11:31 |
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| Riddell | seth_k: that's a security fix, make sure you mention CVE-2005-3856 in the changelog | 11:32 |
| seth_k | thanks :) | 11:34 |
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| seth_k | whew, that's a lot of dropped hunks. /me gets caffeine | 11:42 |
| seth_k | Riddell, almost all these dropped hunks are in Makefiles... is there a trick to that? | 11:49 |
| seth_k | ah, I'll just patch by hand instead methinks... | 11:57 |
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| Riddell | seth_k: what are you doing? | 11:58 |
| seth_k | Riddell, uupdate -u drops something like 600 hunks on all the makefiles | 12:00 |
| seth_k | what's the correct way to deal with that? | 12:00 |
| Tm_T | Riddell: about qt4 packages in dapper... they doesn't have -debug, right? | 12:00 |
| Riddell | seth_k: I'd just make a new .orig and copy accross the old debian/ directory | 12:02 |
| Riddell | Tm_T: dunno, haven't looked at them | 12:02 |
| Riddell | I'd expect a dbg package | 12:02 |
| Tm_T | hmm | 12:03 |
| Tm_T | then I might get kdelibs4-snapshot compiled using them | 12:03 |
| Tm_T | might :p | 12:03 |
| seth_k | alright Riddell, I had thought of that but wasn't sure if it was the right way | 12:03 |
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