=== seth_k [n=seth@ubuntu/member/sethkinast] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:46] seaLne: AFAIR you asked about raw image support in digikam. See http://mail.kde.org/pipermail/digikam-users/2005-December/000682.html === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@CPE-144-136-118-222.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Guest669 [i=freeflyi@61.190.65.38] has joined #kubuntu-devel === seth_k [n=seth@asmallorange.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === claydoh [n=claydoh@65.99.187.254] has joined #kubuntu-devel === seth_k holds breath and dist-upgrades his KDE, even though it breaks yakuake, kdesystemsettings, and kdebluetooth... I can live without those for a few days [04:01] seth_k how about kde3.5 in dapper now ? [04:03] freeflying, that's what I'm dist-upgrading to [04:03] er, that's to what I'm dist-upgrading [04:03] :) mmm prepositions [04:03] seaLne lol === seth_k waves goodbye to akode, gwenview, katapult, kdesystemsettings, kdebluetooth, and friends [04:04] :P [04:04] seth_k i can not use kdebluetooth since i upgrade to kde3.5 === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@CPE-144-136-118-222.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #kubuntu-devel === uniq [n=frode@213.184.199.55] has joined #kubuntu-devel === seth_k [n=seth@ubuntu/member/sethkinast] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Knowerrors [n=stormsur@66.53.175.20] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:38] hey all, can anybody help with this http://www.kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=2088.0 ? === seth_k [n=seth@ubuntu/member/sethkinast] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.38] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee_ [n=Hobbsee@CPE-144-136-118-222.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #kubuntu-devel === author-psi [n=marcel@p50905FCE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=shadow@61.190.65.38] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:04] allee: thanks === chmj [n=chmj@dsl-165-121-252.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #kubuntu-devel === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === tvo [n=tobi@5354EA9B.cable.casema.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@gra86-1-82-239-88-236.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@gra86-1-82-239-88-236.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === hunger_ [n=hunger@p54A638A7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=shadow@61.190.65.38] has joined #kubuntu-devel === hunger_ [n=hunger@p54A624D1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:08] kde-devel not installable === jpatrick [n=patrick@47.Red-83-43-120.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflyi1g [n=shadow@61.190.65.38] has joined #kubuntu-devel === viviersf [n=cain@dsl-146-101-79.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:25] Riddell : ping [01:00] chmj: in dapper? "never" been I think [01:00] *gfnf* === freeflying [n=shadow@61.190.65.38] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:34] <\sh> can someone check knoda from today_ [01:34] <\sh> `? [01:35] sure [01:35] hmh, debtags still don't install :( [01:35] *** glibc detected *** free(): invalid pointer: 0x085982f8 *** [01:35] /var/lib/dpkg/info/debtags.postinst: line 22: 544 Aborted debtags update [01:36] \sh: hmm, not installable here [01:42] <\sh> Tm_T: error message...or just because of debtags and adept [01:43] <\sh> anyways...I have to go back to our training [01:43] <\sh> bbl [01:43] \sh: dependencies, looks like it hasn't updated [01:44] \sh: knoda: Depends: kdelibs4c2 (>= 4:3.4.3) but it is not installable [01:44] that's first one === verwilst [n=verwilst@212.123.1.32] has joined #kubuntu-devel === JRe [n=jre@pai34-2-82-226-199-36.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:04] bonjour JRe [02:05] jpatrick: jour === JRe [n=jre@pai34-2-82-226-199-36.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === JRe [n=jre@pai34-2-82-226-199-36.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=shadow@61.190.65.38] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:36] has anyone had any probs with amarok 1.3.7 in breezy? [02:37] seaLne: nope [02:37] its complaining about no available engines === kay [n=kay@p54A383F5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:40] hmm weird the next time i started it it is happily playing stuff === hunger_ [n=hunger@p54A6129F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:42] hi, is there any hope for kdevelop in Dapper the next weeks? === jjesse [n=jjesse@mail.ftpb.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === author-psi [n=marcel@p50905FCE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=shadow@61.190.65.38] has left #kubuntu-devel [] === JRe [n=jre@pai34-2-82-226-199-36.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Mez [n=Mez@217.65.151.139] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:06] Mez: how do I check out katapult? [04:07] baz register-archive http://mirror.sourcecontrol.net/mez@ubuntu.com/ [04:07] though [04:07] thinking about it [04:07] I've got a pcakcged version for debian [04:07] which you might wanna grab [04:07] so after that [04:07] oh, actually [04:07] baz register-archive http://mirror.sourcecontrol.net/mez@ubuntu.com--2005/ [04:08] I'll sort out the packagaing branch in a sec [04:13] ah [04:13] baz and http proxies dont mix [04:13] when you need it by? [04:17] soon === jjesse [n=jjesse@mail.ftpb.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:19] Riddell: can we translate kubuntu.org ? [04:23] jpatrick: wich language? ive translate to german (see kubuntu.de) [04:23] author-psi: I might via Rosetta [04:23] morning :) [04:23] meant* [04:24] jpatrick: not easily, if you can work out a good way to get it to make and use .po files that would be gresat [04:24] great [04:31] I could make a .pot [04:33] well yes, but you'd need some way of making it and some way of reading the appropriate .po file [04:34] and it would have to be done in such a way as not to make writing the website difficult [04:34] but it can't be difficult, google for php and gettext and I'm sure something will turn up [04:40] GNU gettext support in your PHP build you must add the option --with-gettext[=DIR] where DIR is the gettext install directory === JRee [n=jre@pai34-2-82-226-199-36.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:04] Riddell: maybe you noticed already, Dirk commited an additional xpdf fix in KDE_3_4_branch 2.5 hours ago [05:10] ah hah [05:11] well I'll wait for the official patches to be updated I think [05:12] :) === freelove [n=tux@59.93.247.133] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freelove [n=tux@59.93.247.133] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:23] are kubuntu developers here? [05:23] freelove: yes [05:23] :) [05:24] will dapper boot faster than breezy? and why is kubuntu bit buggy while ubuntu isnt?:) [05:25] hi freelove [05:25] hi riddell [05:25] ubuntu has plenty of bugs too [05:25] but there are fewer of us [05:27] but u see.....often kubuntu would land me in console mode for no reason..... [05:27] and when i shut down it would often show me a blank screen for so long.....and then shut down suddenly...... [05:27] hope it all gets fixed riddell:) [05:28] i can understand that there are fewer ppl developing kubuntu....... [05:29] I haven't heard of those issues [05:29] Riddell: hmm...one guy had the same xp....u can see the it on the ubuntuforums....or it could be just my luck:) im not sure.......but atleast i hope dapper is faster:) [05:30] im not complaining.....just sharing:) [05:31] in kde 3.5, i dont see anything when i open storage media..anyway to fix this riddell?? [05:32] freelove: known === vicks [n=chatzill@c-d78870d5.037-42-67626719.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #kubuntu-devel === vicks [n=chatzill@c-d78870d5.037-42-67626719.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has left #kubuntu-devel [] [05:36] jpatrick: anyway i can correct this? [05:38] err... [05:39] freelove: what are you going to write to mark shuttleworth? [05:40] ? [05:40] =) [05:40] he's there in #ubuntu-devel now....just wanna have a little chat with him...but why do u ask? [05:40] btw, KDE is working well in dapper atm [05:41] two small issues here: adept and kde-devel (kdevelop too) [05:41] dont worry im not gonna complain abt anything ;)......just praise him for ubuntu:) [05:43] :(......no way i can correct the storage media prob? [05:44] :) [05:46] storage media prob, he doesn't have am-utils installed? === freelove [n=tux@59.93.247.133] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:48] freelove: don't you have `am-utils` installed? [05:49] jpatrick: huh? whats that? but lemme see in synaptic....... [05:49] hehe === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:50] jpatrick: uuh, you got idea how to fix his problem? ;) [05:50] jpatrick: ya i didnt have it.....installing it now:) [05:51] Tm_T: no... [05:51] no? ;) [05:51] its asking me some geeky question? what do i do? [05:52] what's the question? [05:52] is the amd master map propagated through nis? [05:52] err, gotta go ;--P -> [05:54] jpatrick: plz help me.......... [05:55] I don't use AMD [05:57] plus I've got some i18n todo [05:58] huh? i got it while i was installing am-utils......and im not using AMD! but sorry for disturbing u! [06:09] freelove: amd is one part of am-utils [06:10] amd = AutoMountDaemon [06:10] am-utils = automount utilities [06:10] simple [06:12] Tm_T: but i answered no to that question......... [06:12] is the amd master map propagated through nis? [06:12] but thx! [06:12] you answered no? good [06:12] np [06:12] now, media:/ shows more now? [06:16] Tm_T: it doesnt!! [06:16] :( [06:16] this did not happen in earlier kde..kde 3.4.x.........?? [06:16] well, I use 3.5 and all is fine [06:17] freelove: you do have 3.5 right? not 3.5rc1 or earlier [06:17] Tm_T: my luck then:(........did u upgrage? i dunno.....i simply intalled ubuntu.....then kubuntu-desktop........ [06:18] i had installed kubuntu b4 so i know these probs werent there... [06:18] freelove: yes, but what version of kde you have, precisely [06:19] and what type of system, x86? === seth_k|lappy [n=seth@ubuntu/member/sethkinast] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:20] seth_k|lappy: fancy merging krusader? [06:20] freelove: and check that kdebase-kio-plugins is installed [06:20] Riddell, I'd like to have something to help with :) [06:20] from debian upstream? [06:21] seth_k|lappy: take the latest debian, merge the ubuntu changelog and make sure any ubuntu specific changes are applied, then take the latest krusader upstream if that's newer than debian and package [06:21] Tm_T: ive intel-based, those plugins are installed, its kde 3.5 precisely....... [06:22] seth_k|lappy: and for bonus points get it to make a .pot file as described on KubuntuPackagingGuide [06:22] freelove: ok [06:22] 3.5.0 [06:22] freelove: then some more... [06:22] so? :(....how to fix it? [06:22] freelove: try to install kdeaddons [06:23] you may feel lucky ;) [06:23] Tm_T: i dont......already installed :( [06:23] Riddell, ooh bonus points... I'm done at 3pm (in 4 hours) and will get right on it then :) thanks for pointing me to something to help with [06:23] freelove: aaah =) [06:23] freelove: ok, so you like to see some usb device or what? [06:24] no........i see NOTHING when i open storage media....:( [06:24] freelove: ok, and what there should be? [06:25] ie what's missing [06:25] nor are cds automounted:( [06:25] aye [06:25] things like hda1, hda6, cdrom , dvd........... [06:25] heh [06:26] :( [06:26] ok, I just don't know [06:26] sorry :/ [06:26] do i have to reinstall? im crying....:( [06:27] i think i shud have have installed kubuntu....then upgraded to 3.5..................? [06:27] i installed ubuntu......then kubuntu-desktop.... [06:27] doesn't matter [06:28] :( [06:28] I did installed kubuntu hoary rc, just kept upgrading, then breezy, now dapper [06:28] freelove: do apt-get install kubuntu-desktop [06:29] say what it wants to do [06:29] if any [06:31] The following extra packages will be installed: [06:31] vorbis-tools [06:31] The following NEW packages will be installed: [06:31] kubuntu-desktop vorbis-tools [06:31] heh [06:31] vorbis tools is good [06:31] install it [06:31] but that doesn't fix our issue [06:32] it was already there i think.......its reconfiguring i guess......yaaa [06:32] but thx for ur help:) [06:32] heyy [06:32] it doesn't show hd:s here either :p [06:32] what did i tell ya!!:) [06:33] some solace;) [06:33] Riddell: kubuntu specific settings to not show hard disks in systen:/media ? [06:33] system even [06:33] im not the only one;) [06:33] freelove: but it does show cdroms and memory sticks, that's all I need [06:34] it doesnt even show that here...... [06:34] heh [06:34] shud i get rid of kubuntu settings? [06:34] freelove: nope [06:34] I don't think that's it [06:34] this is silly, but you can try this too: reboot [06:35] Tm_T: it's not kubuntu specific, but it is expected [06:35] oh yes [06:36] Riddell: I just realised, all partitions is mounted at boot, so users don't have rights to them [06:36] i see.......will reboot later though........or i might lose internet...... [06:36] Riddell: silly me ;) [06:38] Tm_T: i can access those media thru /media......but not via storage media......plus why things dont get automounted.... [06:41] freelove: you should get a popup window asking to mount new devices/CDs etc [06:41] Riddell: i dont get it [06:50] doesn't ioslave do the popup? or is it ioslave that opens up konqi when you connect a new device? [06:56] ioslave does the popup [06:56] JRee wrote it, he should know :) === insanekane [n=kane@202.83.33.32] has joined #kubuntu-devel === hunger_ [n=hunger@p54A64470.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === insanekane [n=kane@202.83.33.32] has joined #kubuntu-devel === unstableabel [n=kane@202.83.33.32] has joined #kubuntu-devel === unstableabel [n=kane@202.83.33.32] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Knowerrors [n=stormsur@Node13-175-53-66.1dial.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:31] Hey all, I think my permissions are screwed up somehow, some changes won't stick in system settings unless I launch it as sudo, anyone know about this? [08:31] btw, Im using kde 3.5 [08:31] for example, prefs for removable media notifications won't change [08:34] Knowerrors: `sudo apt-get remove ivman' [08:35] jpatrick: I tried that before, and now nothing automounts [08:37] jpatrick: http://www.kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=2088.0 shows what Ive tried and the results [08:38] hmmm [08:39] that was without ivman [08:40] with ivman, only difference is it gets mounted in /media/sda1 auto [08:40] but system:/media still shows the usb as unmounted [08:40] do you have HAL running? [08:41] I assume so, otherwise ivman wouldn't be able to automount it, right? [08:41] yep [08:41] if I click on the 16M icon, shouldn't that take me to /media/sda1 by itself, instead of trying to mount whats already mounted? === Flosoft [n=Flosoft@dD5E03F88.access.telenet.be] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:02] hey [09:02] Flosoft: hello [09:03] Flosoft: better to be in here then /msg me I think [09:03] ok [09:03] can anyone tell me how I open like a new tab in screen? [09:04] like CTRL+A D is putting in background [09:07] ctrl+a c [09:07] then ctrl+a 0,1,2 to switch [09:17] thx [09:17] downloading all 3 isos now [09:17] they will be online in a sec [09:21] Riddel: u can already add the Download location: http://mirrors.flosoft.biz/projects/kubuntu/beta.php [09:37] already added? === jpatrick [n=patrick@47.Red-83-43-120.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:47] ok ... all Images are fully loaded [09:52] I know youre not supposed to, but I enabled root for a while and think that has caused problems, how do I go about fixing permissions back how they should be? === hunger_ [n=hunger@p54A62418.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:58] is there any interrest in CD Shipping? [09:59] lots [10:00] well I could do that for Germany and Belgium [10:00] for the other countries it would be to expensive :S [10:01] for germany I can send cds @ 2 [10:01] belgium too [10:02] kubuntu.de already covers that [10:02] ah [10:02] i want cds w/ kubuntu in them in the us :) [10:03] thats difficult :S [10:03] as I live in europe [10:03] so the shipment would be too expensive [10:03] i have 60 ubuntu cds but i it make me bad to share.. gnome [10:03] same here [10:04] that is why Kubuntu CDs would be great [10:04] Flosoft: yes, but i cant buy at linuxshop 60 cds for my friends.. its to expensive [10:05] yep [10:05] shipit would be great [10:07] we can dream for the future :-) [10:08] yep [10:08] think so too [10:08] but this is disabling quite a group of people [10:08] most linux beginners will net be able to get kubuntu because of that [10:09] yeah.. and live cds to my friends or to shops.. [10:09] hmm ... to shops [10:10] well ... I can give them to shops [10:10] but no one will get cds that are just burnt [10:10] shipit cds ... they have these boxes [10:11] Flosoft: yes.. the wounderful world of open source *g* [10:11] hehe [10:12] its a sencentes from the mamboo developer: "they want to have boxes.. make your own" [10:12] and the atachment was a pdf document with a box design *lol* [10:12] lol [10:13] sry for my englisch.. [10:13] well ... maybe we can get somethinghere [10:13] would be great to get kubuntu into the shops ... for like only 3 .<<< production costs [10:14] i hope for free shiping like ubuntu [10:15] yes [10:15] but maybe getting it into shops [10:15] so why is GNOME preferred over KDE for most free CD distributions ? Same problem in India too :/ [10:15] that could be a first step [10:16] because free cds are difficult ... [10:17] so ? even if they were difficult, one should see about 50% free CDs for GNOME, and 50% with KDE [10:17] but I could try to get them into a shop already? [10:17] insanekane: ofcourse [10:17] atleast that [10:17] but its not like that ... [10:17] I think most people prefer KDE [10:18] insanekane: nice idea.. but canonical.. :-) [10:18] but something forces people who *can* distribute either GNOME/KDE, to choose GNOME over KDE ... i wonder what's the magical touch of GNOME [10:18] author-psi: no, it was not an idea ... it was theoretical statistics :) [10:18] well ... I think I can try and start to redistribute it in shops here in brussels [10:19] but I am thinking about the package [10:20] I mean ... I have no idea how to make these hard covers [10:20] and the cds prints [10:20] something's wrong with the world [10:20] ... as usual :) [10:20] yep [10:22] what should be in a kubuntu cd box? [10:22] i havent used gNOME for years ... is GNOME better than KDE ? objectively speaking of course ... [10:22] or should it be a box? [10:22] Flosoft: probably just get hard cover CDROM boxes ... easily available in bulk [10:22] i dont mean jewel cases [10:22] insanekane: well ... gnome has nice integration of all apps together ... but for the rest it is a bit rusty [10:23] Flosoft: more integration than KDE ? [10:23] I'd say KDE has far more integration/consistency than gnome [10:23] Riddell: thats what I thought too ... [10:23] depending on what you call gnome of course, gimp and firefox for example don't follow their style guidelines [10:23] Anyone noticed the cpufreq reporting getting broken with the 2.6.15 kernels? [10:23] Riddell: so what is GNOME's magic touch ? why more free cd distributors for GNOME than KDE ? [10:24] I mean ... one thing that was really cool .. I had an incomming SIP call ... and my music faded out [10:24] that is perfect cooperation between the aps [10:24] Works fine when I boot the old kernel. === hunger_ is now known as hunger [10:31] insanekane: mostly historical that KDE was non-free [10:32] hmm ... figured that would've eroded by now [10:32] ment red hat supported gnome, and ximian who somehow got lots of money and became novell [10:32] sun's ATK work has been a /big/ plus for gnome [10:33] and the culture of simplicity in user interfaces too [10:34] so Plasma/Appeal will probably make it more difficult to achieve that eh [10:34] how so? [10:34] umm ... more complicated user interactions ? new metaphors ? [10:34] hopefully plasma will be simpler. who knows [10:35] hopefully [10:35] Riddel: was KDE once not free? [10:35] Flosoft: no, Qt was "not free" as in not under GPL [10:35] Flosoft: once upon a time Qt was non-free [10:35] meaning KDE was too [10:36] ow [10:36] Riddell: Do not forget that you need to license QT for a fee when doing commercal development. [10:36] it's also why debian users tend towards gnome [10:36] well that was past my time [10:36] hunger: thats not so bad [10:36] Riddell: GTK is free. [10:36] hunger: when doing properitry development [10:36] hunger: Free as in speech, not beer remember :) [10:36] hunger: so it Qt [10:37] Riddell: Qt is GPL or some proprietary license. [10:37] its questionable that free as in beer is a viable proposition i.e., will not be exploited by the big names as they do for patents today [10:37] insanekane: Right... you need to pay for QT for proprietary development. [10:37] hunger: yep ... and thats not so bad [10:37] I am only stating one reason Gnome cites for its success. [10:38] hunger: paying them, helps KDE as well, since they do sponsor some of the devels iirc [10:38] insanekane: Normally I am the one objecting to commercial/proprietary;-) [10:38] hunger: :) [10:38] hunger: then why Linux and not say any of the BSDs ? [10:39] insanekane: Well, a company does not care about supporting KDE... [10:39] insanekane: Simple reason: Management has heared about linux by now... [10:39] hunger: probably, but management also has lawyers :) [10:39] GTK being LGPL is a bigger help to gnome than most KDE people realise [10:39] insanekane: Yeap... and they tell them to stay away from QT. [10:40] insanekane: Linux lets you link to it with proprietry software [10:40] Riddell: oh didn't know that [10:40] insanekane: that's why we have proprietry software [10:40] we ? [10:41] as in Kubuntu devels/canonical ? [10:41] gnu/linux in general [10:41] Riddell: IIRC using proprietary SW on linux is not counted as linking. [10:41] I have skype installed I'm afraid to say [10:41] Riddell: Separate address spaces, etc. [10:42] is there anyone here that is in contact with the Kopete devs? [10:42] yes === hunger is waiting for kubuntu-desktop to become installable again. [10:43] :) ... maybe the one that does the jabber part? [10:43] Flosoft: what's up with it? [10:43] I wanted to ask him some stuff [10:43] as I work alot with jabber [10:43] Riddell: so you an employee of Canonical ? [10:44] good night all! === claydoh [n=claydoh@65.99.186.143] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:44] hunger: guidance is going to be the tricky one [10:45] \sh: what's the status of pykde? [10:45] insanekane: very nearly, I signed the contract just some hours ago [10:45] wahoo then :) [10:46] are there some objectives in kde development in integrating the software better with eachother? [10:46] and maybe making the whole interface even easier ? [10:47] maybe there should be a kubuntu update watcher [10:47] and someone should fix kynaptic [10:47] kynaptic is being removed if it hasn't been already [10:47] kubuntu update watcher? [10:47] yes [10:47] SuSE has one [10:47] like a small tray icon [10:47] Flosoft: update watcher = mornfall is working on it [10:48] oh, update-notifier, yes [10:48] ow nice :) [10:49] I really think an objective of KDE should be to make the software work together [10:49] like on mac [10:49] unlike windows [10:50] that is an objective of KDE [10:50] :) [10:50] if you have any suggestions I'm sure everyone would be happy to listen [10:51] ow yes ... maybe easier hardware installation etc. [10:51] for example suse has a Hardware watcher [10:51] (YaST [10:51] ) [10:52] it would make it easier to configure all hardware in your pc [10:52] what would it watch for? [10:52] hardware changes [10:52] any specific examples? [10:52] for example a new soundcard ... network card ... cd drive [10:53] even mainboard ... cpu [10:53] all of those are already detected at boot time [10:54] I think [10:54] yes ... but configuration is difficult [10:54] for example soundcards [10:54] I got 2 old soundcards still in my boottime ... but they don't exist anymore [10:54] I haven't had to configure a soundcard in gnu/linux for years [10:54] since using suse infact :) [10:54] hehe [10:55] well SuSE is quite nice ... if u want to look @ an easy to use Linux [10:55] grin i still ahve to figure out my soundcard issues on an older dell of mine :( [10:55] I always install suse on the pcs of my clients that use Linux @ home [10:55] it is easy [10:55] only problem .... UPDATE [10:55] suse is nice but rpms are a pain [10:55] and that is a real pain in the ass :p [10:56] well apt is great [10:56] it has everything [10:56] but a tool like yast for kubuntu [10:56] easy hardware configuration etc. [10:57]