[12:46] <allee> seaLne: AFAIR you asked about raw image support in digikam. See http://mail.kde.org/pipermail/digikam-users/2005-December/000682.html
[04:01] <freeflying> seth_k how about kde3.5 in dapper now ?
[04:03] <seth_k> freeflying, that's what I'm dist-upgrading to
[04:03] <seth_k> er, that's to what I'm dist-upgrading
[04:03] <seth_k> :) mmm prepositions
[04:03] <freeflying> seaLne lol 
[04:04] <seth_k> :P
[04:04] <freeflying>  seth_k i can not use kdebluetooth since i upgrade to kde3.5
[04:38] <Knowerrors> hey all, can anybody help with this http://www.kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=2088.0 ?
[08:04] <seaLne> allee: thanks
[11:08] <chmj> kde-devel not installable 
[12:25] <viviersf> Riddell : ping
[01:00] <Tm_T> chmj: in dapper? "never" been I think
[01:00] <chmj> *gfnf*
[01:34] <\sh> can someone check knoda from today_
[01:34] <\sh> `?
[01:35] <Tm_T> sure
[01:35] <Tm_T> hmh, debtags still don't install :(
[01:35] <Tm_T> *** glibc detected *** free(): invalid pointer: 0x085982f8 ***
[01:35] <Tm_T> /var/lib/dpkg/info/debtags.postinst: line 22:   544 Aborted                 debtags update
[01:36] <Tm_T> \sh: hmm, not installable here
[01:42] <\sh> Tm_T: error message...or just because of debtags and adept
[01:43] <\sh> anyways...I have to go back to our training
[01:43] <\sh> bbl
[01:43] <Tm_T> \sh: dependencies, looks like it hasn't updated
[01:44] <Tm_T> \sh: knoda: Depends: kdelibs4c2 (>= 4:3.4.3) but it is not installable
[01:44] <Tm_T> that's first one
[02:04] <jpatrick> bonjour JRe 
[02:05] <JRe> jpatrick: jour
[02:36] <seaLne> has anyone had any probs with amarok 1.3.7 in breezy?
[02:37] <jpatrick> seaLne: nope
[02:37] <seaLne> its complaining about no available engines
[02:40] <seaLne> hmm weird the next time i started it it is happily playing stuff
[02:42] <kay> hi, is there any hope for kdevelop in Dapper the next weeks?
[04:06] <Riddell> Mez: how do I check out katapult?
[04:07] <Mez> baz register-archive http://mirror.sourcecontrol.net/mez@ubuntu.com/
[04:07] <Mez> though
[04:07] <Mez> thinking about it
[04:07] <Mez> I've got a pcakcged version for debian
[04:07] <Mez> which you might wanna grab
[04:07] <Mez> so after that
[04:07] <Mez> oh, actually
[04:07] <Mez> baz register-archive http://mirror.sourcecontrol.net/mez@ubuntu.com--2005/
[04:08] <Mez> I'll sort out the packagaing branch in a sec
[04:13] <Mez> ah
[04:13] <Mez> baz and http proxies dont mix
[04:13] <Mez> when you need it by?
[04:17] <Riddell> soon
[04:19] <jpatrick> Riddell: can we translate kubuntu.org ?
[04:23] <author-psi> jpatrick: wich language? ive translate to german (see kubuntu.de)
[04:23] <jpatrick> author-psi: I might via Rosetta
[04:23] <jjesse> morning :)
[04:23] <jpatrick> meant*
[04:24] <Riddell> jpatrick: not easily, if you can work out a good way to get it to make and use .po files that would be gresat
[04:24] <Riddell> great
[04:31] <jpatrick> I could make a .pot
[04:33] <Riddell> well yes, but you'd need some way of making it and some way of reading the appropriate .po file 
[04:34] <Riddell> and it would have to be done in such a way as not to make writing the website difficult
[04:34] <Riddell> but it can't be difficult, google for php and gettext and I'm sure something will turn up
[04:40] <jpatrick> GNU gettext support in your PHP build you must add the option --with-gettext[=DIR]  where DIR is the gettext install directory
[05:04] <allee> Riddell: maybe you noticed already, Dirk commited an additional xpdf fix in KDE_3_4_branch 2.5 hours ago
[05:10] <Riddell> ah hah
[05:11] <Riddell> well I'll wait for the official patches to be updated I think
[05:12] <allee> :)
[05:23] <freelove> are kubuntu developers here?
[05:23] <jpatrick> freelove: yes
[05:23] <freelove> :)
[05:24] <freelove> will dapper boot faster than breezy? and why is kubuntu bit buggy while ubuntu isnt?:)
[05:25] <Riddell> hi freelove 
[05:25] <freelove> hi riddell
[05:25] <Riddell> ubuntu has plenty of bugs too
[05:25] <Riddell> but there are fewer of us
[05:27] <freelove> but u see.....often kubuntu would land me in console mode for no reason.....
[05:27] <freelove> and when i shut down it would often show me a blank screen for so long.....and then shut down suddenly......
[05:27] <freelove> hope it all gets fixed riddell:)
[05:28] <freelove> i can understand that there are fewer ppl developing kubuntu.......
[05:29] <Riddell> I haven't heard of those issues
[05:29] <freelove> Riddell: hmm...one guy had the same xp....u can see the it on the ubuntuforums....or it could be just my luck:) im not sure.......but atleast i hope dapper is faster:)
[05:30] <freelove> im not complaining.....just sharing:)
[05:31] <freelove> in kde 3.5, i dont see anything when i open storage media..anyway to fix this riddell??
[05:32] <jpatrick> freelove: known
[05:36] <freelove> jpatrick: anyway i can correct this?
[05:38] <jpatrick> err...
[05:39] <Riddell> freelove: what are you going to write to mark shuttleworth?
[05:40] <Tm_T> ?
[05:40] <Tm_T> =)
[05:40] <freelove> he's there in #ubuntu-devel now....just wanna have a little chat with him...but why do u ask?
[05:40] <Tm_T> btw, KDE is working well in dapper atm
[05:41] <Tm_T> two small issues here: adept and kde-devel (kdevelop too)
[05:41] <freelove> dont worry im not gonna complain abt anything ;)......just praise him for ubuntu:)
[05:43] <freelove> :(......no way i can correct the storage media prob?
[05:44] <jpatrick> :)
[05:46] <Tm_T> storage media prob, he doesn't have am-utils installed?
[05:48] <jpatrick> freelove: don't you have `am-utils` installed?
[05:49] <freelove> jpatrick: huh? whats that? but lemme see in synaptic.......
[05:49] <Tm_T> hehe
[05:50] <Tm_T> jpatrick: uuh, you got idea how to fix his problem? ;)
[05:50] <freelove> jpatrick: ya i didnt have it.....installing it now:)
[05:51] <jpatrick> Tm_T: no...
[05:51] <Tm_T> no? ;)
[05:51] <freelove> its asking me some geeky question? what do i do?
[05:52] <Tm_T> what's the question?
[05:52] <freelove> is the amd master map propagated through nis?
[05:52] <Tm_T> err, gotta go ;--P  ->
[05:54] <freelove> jpatrick: plz help me..........
[05:55] <jpatrick> I don't use AMD
[05:57] <jpatrick> plus I've got some i18n todo
[05:58] <freelove> huh? i got it while i was installing am-utils......and im not using AMD! but sorry for disturbing u!
[06:09] <Tm_T> freelove: amd is one part of am-utils
[06:10] <Tm_T> amd = AutoMountDaemon
[06:10] <Tm_T> am-utils = automount utilities
[06:10] <Tm_T> simple
[06:12] <freelove> Tm_T: but i answered no to that question.........
[06:12] <freelove> is the amd master map propagated through nis?
[06:12] <freelove> but thx!
[06:12] <Tm_T> you answered no? good
[06:12] <Tm_T> np
[06:12] <Tm_T> now, media:/ shows more now?
[06:16] <freelove> Tm_T: it doesnt!!
[06:16] <freelove> :(
[06:16] <freelove> this did not happen in earlier kde..kde 3.4.x.........??
[06:16] <Tm_T> well, I use 3.5 and all is fine
[06:17] <Tm_T> freelove: you do have 3.5 right? not 3.5rc1 or earlier
[06:17] <freelove> Tm_T: my luck then:(........did u upgrage? i dunno.....i simply intalled ubuntu.....then kubuntu-desktop........
[06:18] <freelove> i had installed kubuntu b4 so i know these probs werent there...
[06:18] <Tm_T> freelove: yes, but what version of kde you have, precisely
[06:19] <Tm_T> and what type of system, x86?
[06:20] <Riddell> seth_k|lappy: fancy merging krusader?
[06:20] <Tm_T> freelove: and check that kdebase-kio-plugins is installed
[06:20] <seth_k|lappy> Riddell, I'd like to have something to help with :)
[06:20] <seth_k|lappy> from debian upstream?
[06:21] <Riddell> seth_k|lappy: take the latest debian, merge the ubuntu changelog and make sure any ubuntu specific changes are applied, then take the latest krusader upstream if that's newer than debian and package
[06:21] <freelove> Tm_T: ive intel-based, those plugins are installed, its kde 3.5 precisely.......
[06:22] <Riddell> seth_k|lappy: and for bonus points get it to make a .pot file as described on KubuntuPackagingGuide
[06:22] <Tm_T> freelove: ok
[06:22] <freelove> 3.5.0
[06:22] <Tm_T> freelove: then some more...
[06:22] <freelove> so? :(....how to fix it?
[06:22] <Tm_T> freelove: try to install kdeaddons
[06:23] <Tm_T> you may feel lucky ;)
[06:23] <freelove> Tm_T: i dont......already installed :(
[06:23] <seth_k|lappy> Riddell, ooh bonus points... I'm done at 3pm (in 4 hours) and will get right on it then :) thanks for pointing me to something to help with
[06:23] <Tm_T> freelove: aaah =)
[06:23] <Tm_T> freelove: ok, so you like to see some usb device or what?
[06:24] <freelove> no........i see NOTHING when i open storage media....:(
[06:24] <Tm_T> freelove: ok, and what there should be?
[06:25] <Tm_T> ie what's missing
[06:25] <freelove> nor are cds automounted:(
[06:25] <Tm_T> aye
[06:25] <freelove> things like hda1, hda6, cdrom , dvd...........
[06:25] <Tm_T> heh
[06:26] <freelove> :(
[06:26] <Tm_T> ok, I just don't know
[06:26] <Tm_T> sorry :/
[06:26] <freelove> do i have to reinstall? im crying....:(
[06:27] <freelove> i think i shud have have installed kubuntu....then upgraded to 3.5..................?
[06:27] <freelove> i installed ubuntu......then kubuntu-desktop....
[06:27] <Tm_T> doesn't matter
[06:28] <freelove> :(
[06:28] <Tm_T> I did installed kubuntu hoary rc, just kept upgrading, then breezy, now dapper
[06:28] <Tm_T> freelove: do apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[06:29] <Tm_T> say what it wants to do
[06:29] <Tm_T> if any
[06:31] <freelove> The following extra packages will be installed:
[06:31] <freelove>   vorbis-tools
[06:31] <freelove> The following NEW packages will be installed:
[06:31] <freelove>   kubuntu-desktop vorbis-tools
[06:31] <Tm_T> heh
[06:31] <Tm_T> vorbis tools is good
[06:31] <Tm_T> install it
[06:31] <Tm_T> but that doesn't fix our issue
[06:32] <freelove> it was already there i think.......its reconfiguring i guess......yaaa
[06:32] <freelove> but thx for ur help:)
[06:32] <Tm_T> heyy
[06:32] <Tm_T> it doesn't show hd:s here either :p
[06:32] <freelove> what did i tell ya!!:)
[06:33] <freelove> some solace;)
[06:33] <Tm_T> Riddell: kubuntu specific settings to not show hard disks in systen:/media ?
[06:33] <Tm_T> system even
[06:33] <freelove> im not the only one;)
[06:33] <Tm_T> freelove: but it does show cdroms and memory sticks, that's all I need
[06:34] <freelove> it doesnt even show that here......
[06:34] <Tm_T> heh
[06:34] <freelove> shud i get rid of kubuntu settings?
[06:34] <Tm_T> freelove: nope
[06:34] <Tm_T> I don't think that's it
[06:34] <Tm_T> this is silly, but you can try this too: reboot
[06:35] <Riddell> Tm_T: it's not kubuntu specific, but it is expected
[06:35] <Tm_T> oh yes
[06:36] <Tm_T> Riddell: I just realised, all partitions is mounted at boot, so users don't have rights to them
[06:36] <freelove> i see.......will reboot later though........or i might lose internet......
[06:36] <Tm_T> Riddell: silly me ;)
[06:38] <freelove> Tm_T: i can access those media thru /media......but not via storage media......plus why things dont get automounted....
[06:41] <Riddell> freelove: you should get a popup window asking to mount new devices/CDs etc
[06:41] <freelove> Riddell: i dont get it
[06:50] <jjesse> doesn't ioslave do the popup? or is it ioslave that opens up konqi when you connect a new device?
[06:56] <Riddell> ioslave does the popup
[06:56] <Riddell> JRee wrote it, he should know :)
[08:31] <Knowerrors> Hey all, I think my permissions are screwed up somehow, some changes won't stick in system settings unless I launch it as sudo, anyone know about this?
[08:31] <Knowerrors> btw, Im using kde 3.5
[08:31] <Knowerrors> for example, prefs for removable media notifications won't change
[08:34] <jpat|away> Knowerrors: `sudo apt-get remove ivman'
[08:35] <Knowerrors> jpatrick: I tried that before, and now nothing automounts
[08:37] <Knowerrors> jpatrick: http://www.kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=2088.0 shows what Ive tried and the results
[08:38] <jpatrick> hmmm
[08:39] <Knowerrors> that was without ivman
[08:40] <Knowerrors> with ivman, only difference is it gets mounted in /media/sda1 auto
[08:40] <Knowerrors> but system:/media still shows the usb as unmounted
[08:40] <jpatrick> do you have HAL running?
[08:41] <Knowerrors> I assume so, otherwise ivman wouldn't be able to automount it, right?
[08:41] <jpatrick> yep
[08:41] <Knowerrors> if I click on the 16M icon, shouldn't that take me to /media/sda1 by itself, instead of trying to mount whats already mounted?
[09:02] <Flosoft> hey
[09:02] <jpatrick> Flosoft: hello
[09:03] <Riddell> Flosoft: better to be in here then /msg me I think
[09:03] <Flosoft> ok
[09:03] <Flosoft> can anyone tell me how I open like a new tab in screen?
[09:04] <Flosoft> like CTRL+A D is putting in background
[09:07] <Riddell> ctrl+a c
[09:07] <Riddell> then ctrl+a 0,1,2  to switch
[09:17] <Flosoft> thx
[09:17] <Flosoft> downloading all 3 isos now
[09:17] <Flosoft> they will be online in a sec
[09:21] <Flosoft> Riddel: u can already add the Download location: http://mirrors.flosoft.biz/projects/kubuntu/beta.php
[09:37] <Flosoft> already added?
[09:47] <Flosoft> ok ... all Images are fully loaded
[09:52] <Knowerrors> I know youre not supposed to, but I enabled root for a while and think that has caused problems, how do I go about fixing permissions back how they should be?
[09:58] <Flosoft> is there any interrest in CD Shipping?
[09:59] <Riddell> lots
[10:00] <Flosoft> well I could do that for Germany and Belgium
[10:00] <Flosoft> for the other countries it would be to expensive :S
[10:01] <Flosoft> for germany I can send cds @ 2
[10:01] <Flosoft> belgium too
[10:02] <Riddell> kubuntu.de already covers that
[10:02] <Flosoft> ah
[10:02] <jjesse> i want cds w/ kubuntu in them in the us :)
[10:03] <Flosoft> thats difficult :S
[10:03] <Flosoft> as I live in europe
[10:03] <Flosoft> so the shipment would be too expensive
[10:03] <author-psi> i have 60 ubuntu cds but i it make me bad to share.. gnome
[10:03] <Flosoft> same here
[10:04] <Flosoft> that is why Kubuntu CDs would be great
[10:04] <author-psi> Flosoft: yes, but i cant buy at linuxshop 60 cds for my friends.. its to expensive
[10:05] <Flosoft> yep
[10:05] <Flosoft> shipit would be great
[10:07] <author-psi> we can dream for the future :-)
[10:08] <Flosoft> yep
[10:08] <Flosoft> think so too
[10:08] <Flosoft> but this is disabling quite a group of people
[10:08] <Flosoft> most linux beginners will net be able to get kubuntu because of that
[10:09] <author-psi> yeah.. and live cds to my friends or to shops..
[10:09] <Flosoft> hmm ... to shops
[10:10] <Flosoft> well ... I can give them to shops
[10:10] <Flosoft> but no one will get cds that are just burnt
[10:10] <Flosoft> shipit cds ... they have these boxes
[10:11] <author-psi> Flosoft: yes.. the wounderful world of open source *g*
[10:11] <Flosoft> hehe
[10:12] <author-psi> its a sencentes from the mamboo developer: "they want to have boxes.. make your own"
[10:12] <author-psi> and the atachment was a pdf document with a box design *lol*
[10:12] <Flosoft> lol
[10:13] <author-psi> sry for my englisch..
[10:13] <Flosoft> well ... maybe we can get somethinghere
[10:13] <Flosoft> would be great to get kubuntu into the shops ... for like only 3 .<<< production costs
[10:14] <author-psi> i hope for free shiping like ubuntu
[10:15] <Flosoft> yes
[10:15] <Flosoft> but maybe getting it into shops
[10:15] <insanekane> so why is GNOME preferred over KDE for most free CD distributions ? Same problem in India too :/
[10:15] <Flosoft> that could be a first step
[10:16] <Flosoft> because free cds are difficult ...
[10:17] <insanekane> so ? even if they were difficult, one should see about 50% free CDs for GNOME, and 50% with KDE
[10:17] <Flosoft> but I could try to get them into a shop already?
[10:17] <Flosoft> insanekane: ofcourse
[10:17] <Flosoft> atleast that
[10:17] <insanekane> but its not like that ... 
[10:17] <Flosoft> I think most people prefer KDE
[10:18] <author-psi> insanekane: nice idea.. but canonical.. :-)
[10:18] <insanekane> but something forces people who *can* distribute either GNOME/KDE, to choose GNOME over KDE ... i wonder what's the magical touch of GNOME
[10:18] <insanekane> author-psi: no, it was not an idea ... it was theoretical statistics :)
[10:18] <Flosoft> well ... I think I can try and start to redistribute it in shops here in brussels
[10:19] <Flosoft> but I am thinking about the package
[10:20] <Flosoft> I mean ... I have no idea how to make these hard covers
[10:20] <Flosoft> and the cds prints
[10:20] <insanekane> something's wrong with the world
[10:20] <insanekane> ... as usual :)
[10:20] <Flosoft> yep
[10:22] <Flosoft> what should be in a kubuntu cd box?
[10:22] <insanekane> i havent used gNOME for years ... is GNOME better than KDE ? objectively speaking of course ...
[10:22] <Flosoft> or should it be a box?
[10:22] <insanekane> Flosoft: probably just get hard cover CDROM boxes ... easily available in bulk
[10:22] <insanekane> i dont mean jewel cases
[10:22] <Flosoft> insanekane: well ... gnome has nice integration of all apps together ... but for the rest it is a bit rusty
[10:23] <insanekane> Flosoft: more integration than KDE ?
[10:23] <Riddell> I'd say KDE has far more integration/consistency than gnome
[10:23] <insanekane> Riddell: thats what I thought too ...
[10:23] <Riddell> depending on what you call gnome of course, gimp and firefox for example don't follow their style guidelines
[10:23] <hunger_> Anyone noticed the cpufreq reporting getting broken with the 2.6.15 kernels?
[10:23] <insanekane> Riddell: so what is GNOME's magic touch ? why more free cd distributors for GNOME than KDE ?
[10:24] <Flosoft> I mean ... one thing that was really cool .. I had an incomming SIP call ... and my music faded out
[10:24] <Flosoft> that is perfect cooperation between the aps
[10:24] <hunger_> Works fine when I boot the old kernel.
[10:31] <Riddell> insanekane: mostly historical that KDE was non-free
[10:32] <insanekane> hmm ... figured that would've eroded by now
[10:32] <Riddell> ment red hat supported gnome, and ximian who somehow got lots of money and became novell
[10:32] <Riddell> sun's ATK work has been a /big/ plus for gnome
[10:33] <Riddell> and the culture of simplicity in user interfaces too
[10:34] <insanekane> so Plasma/Appeal will probably make it more difficult to achieve that eh
[10:34] <Riddell> how so?
[10:34] <insanekane> umm ... more complicated user interactions ? new metaphors ?
[10:34] <Riddell> hopefully plasma will be simpler.  who knows
[10:35] <insanekane> hopefully
[10:35] <Flosoft> Riddel: was KDE once not free?
[10:35] <insanekane> Flosoft: no, Qt was "not free" as in not under GPL
[10:35] <Riddell> Flosoft: once upon a time Qt was non-free
[10:35] <Riddell> meaning KDE was too
[10:36] <Flosoft> ow
[10:36] <hunger> Riddell: Do not forget that you need to license QT for a fee when doing commercal development.
[10:36] <Riddell> it's also why debian users tend towards gnome
[10:36] <Flosoft> well that was past my time
[10:36] <insanekane> hunger: thats not so bad
[10:36] <hunger> Riddell: GTK is free.
[10:36] <Riddell> hunger: when doing properitry development
[10:36] <insanekane> hunger: Free as in speech, not beer remember :)
[10:36] <Riddell> hunger: so it Qt
[10:37] <hunger> Riddell: Qt is GPL or some proprietary license.
[10:37] <insanekane> its questionable that free as in beer is a viable proposition i.e., will not be exploited by the big names as they do for patents today
[10:37] <hunger> insanekane: Right... you need to pay for QT for proprietary development.
[10:37] <insanekane> hunger: yep ... and thats not so bad
[10:37] <hunger> I am only stating one reason Gnome cites for its success.
[10:38] <insanekane> hunger: paying them, helps KDE as well, since they do sponsor some of the devels iirc
[10:38] <hunger> insanekane: Normally I am the one objecting to commercial/proprietary;-)
[10:38] <insanekane> hunger: :)
[10:38] <insanekane> hunger: then why Linux and not say any of the BSDs ?
[10:39] <hunger> insanekane: Well, a company does not care about supporting KDE...
[10:39] <hunger> insanekane: Simple reason: Management has heared about linux by now...
[10:39] <insanekane> hunger: probably, but management also has lawyers :)
[10:39] <Riddell> GTK being LGPL is a bigger help to gnome than most KDE people realise
[10:39] <hunger> insanekane: Yeap... and they tell them to stay away from QT.
[10:40] <Riddell> insanekane: Linux lets you link to it with proprietry software
[10:40] <insanekane> Riddell: oh didn't know that
[10:40] <Riddell> insanekane: that's why we have proprietry software
[10:40] <insanekane> we ?
[10:41] <insanekane> as in Kubuntu devels/canonical ?
[10:41] <Riddell> gnu/linux in general
[10:41] <hunger> Riddell: IIRC using proprietary SW on linux is not counted as linking.
[10:41] <Riddell> I have skype installed I'm afraid to say
[10:41] <hunger> Riddell: Separate address spaces, etc.
[10:42] <Flosoft> is there anyone here that is in contact with the Kopete devs?
[10:42] <Riddell> yes
[10:43] <Flosoft> :) ... maybe the one that does the jabber part?
[10:43] <Riddell> Flosoft: what's up with it?
[10:43] <Flosoft> I wanted to ask him some stuff
[10:43] <Flosoft> as I work alot with jabber
[10:43] <insanekane> Riddell: so you an employee of Canonical ?
[10:44] <hunger> good night all!
[10:44] <Riddell> hunger: guidance is going to be the tricky one
[10:45] <Riddell> \sh: what's the status of pykde?
[10:45] <Riddell> insanekane: very nearly, I signed the contract just some hours ago
[10:45] <jjesse> wahoo then :)
[10:46] <Flosoft> are there some objectives in kde development in integrating the software better with eachother?
[10:46] <Flosoft> and maybe making the whole interface even easier ?
[10:47] <Flosoft> maybe there should be a kubuntu update watcher
[10:47] <Flosoft> and someone should fix kynaptic
[10:47] <Riddell> kynaptic is being removed if it hasn't been already
[10:47] <Riddell> kubuntu update watcher?
[10:47] <Flosoft> yes
[10:47] <Flosoft> SuSE has one
[10:47] <Flosoft> like a small tray icon
[10:47] <insanekane> Flosoft: update watcher = mornfall is working on it
[10:48] <Riddell> oh, update-notifier, yes
[10:48] <Flosoft> ow nice :)
[10:49] <Flosoft> I really think an objective of KDE should be to make the software work together
[10:49] <Flosoft> like on mac
[10:49] <Flosoft> unlike windows
[10:50] <Riddell> that is an objective of KDE
[10:50] <Flosoft> :)
[10:50] <Riddell> if you have any suggestions I'm sure everyone would be happy to listen
[10:51] <Flosoft> ow yes ... maybe easier hardware installation etc.
[10:51] <Flosoft> for example suse has a Hardware watcher
[10:51] <Flosoft> (YaST
[10:51] <Flosoft> )
[10:52] <Flosoft> it would make it easier to configure all hardware in your pc
[10:52] <Riddell> what would it watch for?
[10:52] <Flosoft> hardware changes
[10:52] <Riddell> any specific examples?
[10:52] <Flosoft> for example a new soundcard ... network card ... cd drive
[10:53] <Flosoft> even mainboard ... cpu
[10:53] <Riddell> all of those are already detected at boot time
[10:54] <Riddell> I think
[10:54] <Flosoft> yes ... but configuration is difficult
[10:54] <Flosoft> for example soundcards
[10:54] <Flosoft> I got 2 old soundcards still in my boottime ... but they don't exist anymore
[10:54] <Riddell> I haven't had to configure a soundcard in gnu/linux for years
[10:54] <Riddell> since using suse infact :)
[10:54] <Flosoft> hehe
[10:55] <Flosoft> well SuSE is quite nice ... if u want to look @ an easy to use Linux
[10:55] <jjesse> grin i still ahve to figure out my soundcard issues on an older dell of mine :(
[10:55] <Flosoft> I always install suse on the pcs of my clients that use Linux @ home
[10:55] <Flosoft> it is easy
[10:55] <Flosoft> only problem .... UPDATE
[10:55] <Riddell> suse is nice but rpms are a pain
[10:55] <Flosoft> and that is a real pain in the ass :p
[10:56] <Flosoft> well apt is great
[10:56] <Flosoft> it has everything
[10:56] <Flosoft> but a tool like yast for kubuntu
[10:56] <Flosoft> easy hardware configuration etc.
[10:57] <Riddell> yes, that's why ubuntu is getting rid of apt :)
[10:57] <Flosoft> ???
[10:57] <Flosoft> whats wrong with apt?
[10:58] <Riddell> I don't know, but I guess we'll find out in 6 months
[10:58] <Flosoft> hehe
[10:58] <jjesse> i love apt, i use it more than adept
[10:59] <Flosoft> well i use synaptic ... which is a frontend of apt
[10:59] <insanekane> canonical is getting rid of apt ? that is really bad
[10:59] <Riddell> s/canonical/ubuntu/
[10:59] <insanekane> err ... ok
[10:59] <\sh> Riddell: new version...I#m waiting on the ok
[11:00] <insanekane> ubuntu is getting rid of apt ? that is really bad
[11:00] <Riddell> \sh: ok from who?
[11:00] <\sh> Riddell: anyways..more important things...just resigned
[11:00] <\sh> Riddell: upstream
[11:00] <Riddell> insanekane: don't worry, it'll all be perfectly sensible
[11:00] <insanekane> hmm i hope so
[11:00] <\sh> Riddell: do not worry...you will get some new pykde for 3.5
[11:01] <Riddell> \sh: it's more the people complaining that kubuntu-desktop isn't installable because guidance isn't installable that I need to keep back with a whip
[11:01] <Flosoft> ow ... just got a thing
[11:01] <Flosoft> the installer!!
[11:01] <Riddell> insanekane: investigate "smart"
[11:01] <Flosoft> afaik debian has a new one?
[11:01] <\sh> Riddell: tell them....\sh is an asshole :) he don#t care about kubuntu-desktop they should install kdebase ,-)
[11:02] <Flosoft> and kubuntu should have a new one too
[11:02] <Flosoft> like Fedora Core .. SuSE (again :p)
[11:02] <\sh> BAH
[11:02] <Riddell> \sh: you're waiting on pykde upstream?  doesn't that mean you could wait a long time?
[11:03] <\sh> Riddell: no...just tomorrow..he wrote that he wants to release a new version tomorrow...
[11:03] <Riddell> \sh: oh, excellent
[11:03] <\sh> that means..friday...latest saturday
[11:03] <\sh> and saturday I will package that what is there..
[11:04] <\sh> Riddell: c u tomorrow from home pc...not from this company pc
[11:05] <Riddell> we love you \sh_away !
[11:06] <insanekane> Riddell: smart ?
[11:06] <Riddell> yes
[11:10] <Flosoft> well ... am i right that debian uses a new installer?
[11:10] <Riddell> Flosoft: nope
[11:10] <Flosoft> ow
[11:11] <Flosoft> I thought I heard about them developing a new installer
[11:11] <Riddell> no, debian-installer, same as before
[11:11] <Flosoft> the console type one
[11:11] <Flosoft> same as kubuntu has
[11:12] <Riddell> yes
[11:12] <insanekane> Riddell: smart ?
[11:12] <Flosoft> hmm
[11:12] <insanekane> Riddell: btw, unlike the rest of world (well most of it), time is ripe for KDE in India
[11:13] <Flosoft> well the thing I like most in the new KDE ... that is the integration of KDElook.org etc. in kde
[11:13] <insanekane> time is ripe for any desktop ... but, i hope KDE takes the lead
[11:13] <insanekane> Flosoft: im talking abt India :)
[11:14] <Flosoft> well for the general linux market too
[11:15] <insanekane> dunno ... looks like GNOME has it all :/
[11:17] <Riddell> insanekane: are you in india?
[11:17] <insanekane> Riddell: smart ?
[11:17] <insanekane> Riddell: yep
[11:17] <Riddell> insanekane: where abouts?
[11:18] <insanekane> Riddell: Kerala, India (big GNOME fanbase here ... FSF India HQ is in Kerala)
[11:18] <Riddell> insanekane: I /may/ be going to New Delhi in February
[11:18] <insanekane> Riddell: cool :)
[11:18] <insanekane> Riddell: its like the other end of the country ;)
[11:19] <insanekane> Riddell: KDE-related work ?
[11:19] <Riddell> been invited to talk at some conference there
[11:20] <insanekane> Riddell: cool :)
[11:20] <insanekane> Riddell: you could meet taj there :)
[11:20] <insanekane> maybe you know him already
[11:20] <Riddell> apparantly he's moving away
[11:20] <insanekane> oh ... didn
[11:20] <insanekane> t know that :/
[11:21] <insanekane> im out of touch with the free software community in india ... mostly because all of them are addicted to GNOME :)
[11:23] <insanekane> ok gotta go ... its 4:00 am here :)
[11:23] <insanekane> ciao all
[11:25] <Flosoft> hey ... does anyone know a programm for like Music Jingles (maybe amarok plugin
[11:25] <Flosoft> extension)
[11:28] <seth_k|away> hi Riddell, Ubuntu's krusader == Debian's krusader, and the newer upstream version is a beta... you still want it?
[11:30] <Riddell> seth_k: package 1.60.1
[11:31] <seth_k> okey dokey
[11:32] <Riddell> seth_k: that's a security fix, make sure you mention CVE-2005-3856 in the changelog
[11:34] <seth_k> thanks :)
[11:42] <seth_k> whew, that's a lot of dropped hunks. /me gets caffeine
[11:49] <seth_k> Riddell, almost all these dropped hunks are in Makefiles... is there a trick to that?
[11:57] <seth_k> ah, I'll just patch by hand instead methinks...
[11:58] <Riddell> seth_k: what are you doing?
[12:00] <seth_k> Riddell, uupdate -u drops something like 600 hunks on all the makefiles
[12:00] <seth_k> what's the correct way to deal with that?
[12:00] <Tm_T> Riddell: about qt4 packages in dapper... they doesn't have -debug, right?
[12:02] <Riddell> seth_k: I'd just make a new .orig and copy accross the old debian/ directory
[12:02] <Riddell> Tm_T: dunno, haven't looked at them
[12:02] <Riddell> I'd expect a dbg package
[12:03] <Tm_T> hmm
[12:03] <Tm_T> then I might get kdelibs4-snapshot compiled using them
[12:03] <Tm_T> might :p
[12:03] <seth_k> alright Riddell, I had thought of that but wasn't sure if it was the right way