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| klepas | moin | 03:37 |
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| mhz | klepas: moin | 03:57 |
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| artnay | hi | 07:07 |
| klepas | hey artnay | 07:45 |
| klepas | updated any other wiki entries? | 07:45 |
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| artnay | not yet | 09:26 |
| artnay | been busy | 09:26 |
| klepas | cool | 09:35 |
| klepas | i'm trying to get a job so i can get a laptop | 09:35 |
| klepas | :) | 09:35 |
| artnay | I'm trying to get this balloon idea to work... Replacing K menu with "a balloon" that is based on three elements (Navigation [Applications, Places, System] , Search, Actions) | 09:45 |
| artnay | would like to get a working one with KDE/CSS styles :> | 09:46 |
| artnay | I mean, holy crap, Vista's Start menu takes 1/3 of the screen space. what a mess | 09:47 |
| klepas | yea. | 09:48 |
| artnay | K Menu is too crowded, too. so getting a plain menu with basic functions and some eye-candy would be really nice ;) | 09:48 |
| klepas | saw that screenshot you showed me yesterday | 09:48 |
| klepas | i'm fairly happy with the k menu | 09:48 |
| artnay | I'm still working on that | 09:48 |
| klepas | but i suppose it should be customisable | 09:48 |
| klepas | to be simpler | 09:48 |
| artnay | didn't have much time yesterday (well, I was able to check my mail) so nothing wasn't done :| | 09:49 |
| artnay | it should be wider | 09:49 |
| artnay | it takes the Windows approach | 09:49 |
| klepas | should be wider!? | 09:49 |
| artnay | get everything into one menu and make it really high | 09:49 |
| klepas | heck no | 09:49 |
| klepas | i like smallness | 09:49 |
| klepas | :P | 09:49 |
| artnay | me too, that's why I'd like to K menu to utilize some horizontal space | 09:50 |
| artnay | add "see" | 09:50 |
| klepas | no | 09:50 |
| klepas | ewww | 09:50 |
| klepas | small | 09:50 |
| klepas | cut down the menus even more | 09:51 |
| klepas | into things like "create/edit" | 09:51 |
| artnay | I have a few hours of spare-time today, tomorrow christmas parties and on the weekend I'm working | 09:51 |
| klepas | "communicate" | 09:51 |
| klepas | and so forth | 09:51 |
| artnay | klepas: that's one possibility although I like GNOME's approach | 09:51 |
| artnay | but if you want to base that on verbs, why not | 09:51 |
| artnay | so I'm quite busy at the moment, too bad. we should update the wiki asap | 09:52 |
| artnay | hey btw, people have been asking about communityartwork | 09:52 |
| klepas | hehe | 09:52 |
| klepas | yea, saw that | 09:52 |
| klepas | but all the info is available in more applicable pages now | 09:53 |
| klepas | btw | 09:53 |
| artnay | should we just create the main artwork page? | 09:53 |
| klepas | GNOME 3 will probably move to use such verbs as well to simplify the menus | 09:53 |
| klepas | main artwork page? | 09:53 |
| artnay | /Artwork | 09:53 |
| klepas | mmh | 09:53 |
| klepas | maybe | 09:53 |
| artnay | the one that contains all the links | 09:53 |
| artnay | so it would be easier to navigate | 09:54 |
| klepas | let us fix up the current pages | 09:54 |
| klepas | because it is less work | 09:54 |
| klepas | all nice and cut down | 09:54 |
| artnay | GNOME 3? I saw jimmac's hacks | 09:54 |
| klepas | jimmac's hacks? | 09:54 |
| klepas | linky plz :) | 09:54 |
| artnay | it had a few nice ideas, but I didn't like the "start menu" at all | 09:54 |
| klepas | brb, got to feed the giant furballs :) | 09:54 |
| artnay | it wasn't that nice, it took the windows approach | 09:54 |
| artnay | one menu to master them all | 09:55 |
| Tm_T | artnay: have you seen KDE4 mockups ? | 09:56 |
| artnay | Tm_T: official ones? | 09:56 |
| Tm_T | "official" ones ;) | 09:56 |
| artnay | they didn't differ that much, only using Qt 4 | 09:56 |
| artnay | so GUI is almost the same, right? | 09:56 |
| Tm_T | oh, you haven't seen aseigos ideas then | 09:56 |
| artnay | at kde-looks? | 09:56 |
| Tm_T | nope | 09:56 |
| Tm_T | can't remember where I saw, but aseigo has good ideas about it | 09:57 |
| artnay | show me the... KDE! | 09:57 |
| artnay | like what? | 09:57 |
| klepas | probably on kde-artists.org | 09:57 |
| artnay | jimmac's hacks: http://www.flickr.com/photos/gamehack/sets/1506658/ | 09:57 |
| artnay | that Applications menu is terrible | 09:58 |
| artnay | nothing personal :) | 09:58 |
| Tm_T | artnay: well, now there's panel, there's desktop, there's menus... he's main idea is that they're not "separate" but works together making things just work better | 09:58 |
| artnay | notification area / "systray" is based on a few simple colours, I like that | 09:59 |
| artnay | stolen from OS X and Apple stole it from... ;) | 09:59 |
| artnay | and Vista is taking the same approach, that wasn't a surprise | 09:59 |
| artnay | Tm_T: I didn't get you, need some pics :) | 10:00 |
| Tm_T | artnay: trying to find | 10:01 |
| Tm_T | and even pics doesnt show the greatness of it | 10:01 |
| artnay | jimmac's hacks have this hotspot idea | 10:02 |
| artnay | notice the icons on the upper corners? | 10:02 |
| klepas | yea | 10:02 |
| klepas | whoa | 10:02 |
| klepas | if that is how gnome 3 is going to be... | 10:02 |
| klepas | then i might change =P | 10:02 |
| artnay | klepas: you actually like that? | 10:02 |
| Tm_T | artnay: I think here's something: http://kde-artists.org/main/forum/index.php?board=5.0 | 10:04 |
| klepas | they aren't bad | 10:04 |
| artnay | I guess KDE 4 has many of those features, like that unified notification area | 10:04 |
| klepas | and i'm assuming of course i can customise them | 10:04 |
| artnay | customizing GNOME? | 10:05 |
| klepas | yea | 10:05 |
| artnay | they want to provide sane defaults, customizing is 2nd priority (if it's even possible without hacks) | 10:06 |
| Tm_T | artnay: aye | 10:07 |
| klepas | that would be good | 10:07 |
| klepas | i hope kde 4 keeps the same in mind | 10:07 |
| Tm_T | well, I hacked my Kicker clock =) | 10:07 |
| artnay | Tm_T: ok, I only see threads containing ideas how things could be done | 10:08 |
| klepas | because personally having superkaramba and moving this and moving that would be crap | 10:08 |
| artnay | no pics | 10:08 |
| klepas | it uses system resources like nothing else and is not good for slower macines | 10:08 |
| Tm_T | artnay: yu, I don't remember where I saw some really nice pics | 10:08 |
| klepas | s/macines/machines | 10:08 |
| Tm_T | klepas: *karamba... never liked it =) | 10:08 |
| artnay | klepas: some widgets do, but superkaramba by itself? | 10:09 |
| klepas | not by itself | 10:10 |
| klepas | but if KDE 4 will be anything like the devs with powerful machines want it to be at default then it is going to suck at first | 10:11 |
| klepas | it needs to be fast enough to run well | 10:11 |
| artnay | so maybe optimizing the code of widget would be the place to start | 10:11 |
| klepas | even on an 800 Mhz machine | 10:11 |
| artnay | when will KDE 4 be out? more than a year, right? | 10:12 |
| Tm_T | artnay: atleast a year | 10:12 |
| artnay | so there's plenty of time before KDE 4 or GNOME 3 will be released | 10:13 |
| klepas | really?> | 10:13 |
| klepas | isn't it 6 months release cycle? | 10:13 |
| klepas | or did they make an exception? | 10:13 |
| artnay | for minor changes | 10:13 |
| artnay | there's no schedule for major changes | 10:13 |
| artnay | although I saw one project which was delayed for like 3 or 4 months | 10:14 |
| artnay | it had a schedule | 10:14 |
| artnay | plasma. | 10:14 |
| klepas | mmh | 10:15 |
| klepas | strange | 10:15 |
| klepas | just curious | 10:15 |
| artnay | First uploads of the API documentation to this website will likely occur in September 2005 given the current roadmap. | 10:15 |
| klepas | if you guys open a new tab in konqueror | 10:15 |
| artnay | so they're behind the schedule | 10:15 |
| klepas | and then begin typing in a few characters into the url bar | 10:16 |
| klepas | does it lag a second or two to make the scroll down thing appear? | 10:16 |
| klepas | because that has begun to annoy me | 10:16 |
| klepas | =\ | 10:16 |
| artnay | I guess it does, I'm using XP right now :( | 10:17 |
| klepas | =[ | 10:17 |
| klepas | seen my recent screenshot? | 10:18 |
| artnay | show us already | 10:19 |
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| artnay | klepas: | 02:27 |
| artnay | Tm_T: | 02:27 |
| artnay | anyone? | 02:27 |
| Tm_T | yes yeas | 02:27 |
| Tm_T | -a | 02:27 |
| artnay | bachler: | 02:47 |
| artnay | miketech: | 02:47 |
| artnay | *: | 02:47 |
| Tm_T | ? | 02:47 |
| artnay | WIKI! | 02:47 |
| artnay | lets do it today, shall we? | 02:47 |
| Tm_T | WIKIWIKI! | 02:47 |
| artnay | Artwork page? | 02:47 |
| Tm_T | I won't | 02:47 |
| Tm_T | ;) | 02:47 |
| Tm_T | have to fix more that clock of mine -> | 02:48 |
| artnay | ok, I'll watch a few episodes of Lost then | 02:48 |
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| dholbach | hellas | 08:00 |
| dholbach | would it be ok, if i would added your mailing list as a QA contact to artwork related bug reports? | 08:01 |
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| dholbach | good night everybody | 11:32 |
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