=== mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === klepa[s] is now known as klepas [03:37] moin === yetzero [n=yetzero@113-91-20.adsl.cust.tie.cl] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === yetzero [n=yetzero@113-91-20.adsl.cust.tie.cl] has left #ubuntu-artwork [] [03:57] klepas: moin === mhz long time he didn't heard that greeting === benplaut [n=benplaut@cpe-70-95-146-177.hawaii.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === benplaut [n=benplaut@cpe-70-95-146-177.hawaii.res.rr.com] has left #ubuntu-artwork ["something] [07:07] hi [07:45] hey artnay [07:45] updated any other wiki entries? === mpathy [n=mpathy@ACB58E68.ipt.aol.com] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [09:26] not yet [09:26] been busy [09:35] cool [09:35] i'm trying to get a job so i can get a laptop [09:35] :) [09:45] I'm trying to get this balloon idea to work... Replacing K menu with "a balloon" that is based on three elements (Navigation [Applications, Places, System] , Search, Actions) [09:46] would like to get a working one with KDE/CSS styles :> [09:47] I mean, holy crap, Vista's Start menu takes 1/3 of the screen space. what a mess [09:48] yea. [09:48] K Menu is too crowded, too. so getting a plain menu with basic functions and some eye-candy would be really nice ;) [09:48] saw that screenshot you showed me yesterday [09:48] i'm fairly happy with the k menu [09:48] I'm still working on that [09:48] but i suppose it should be customisable [09:48] to be simpler [09:49] didn't have much time yesterday (well, I was able to check my mail) so nothing wasn't done :| [09:49] it should be wider [09:49] it takes the Windows approach [09:49] should be wider!? [09:49] get everything into one menu and make it really high [09:49] heck no [09:49] i like smallness [09:49] :P [09:50] me too, that's why I'd like to K menu to utilize some horizontal space [09:50] add "see" [09:50] no [09:50] ewww [09:50] small [09:51] cut down the menus even more [09:51] into things like "create/edit" [09:51] I have a few hours of spare-time today, tomorrow christmas parties and on the weekend I'm working [09:51] "communicate" [09:51] and so forth [09:51] klepas: that's one possibility although I like GNOME's approach [09:51] but if you want to base that on verbs, why not [09:52] so I'm quite busy at the moment, too bad. we should update the wiki asap [09:52] hey btw, people have been asking about communityartwork [09:52] hehe [09:52] yea, saw that [09:53] but all the info is available in more applicable pages now [09:53] btw [09:53] should we just create the main artwork page? [09:53] GNOME 3 will probably move to use such verbs as well to simplify the menus [09:53] main artwork page? [09:53] /Artwork [09:53] mmh [09:53] maybe [09:53] the one that contains all the links [09:54] so it would be easier to navigate [09:54] let us fix up the current pages [09:54] because it is less work [09:54] all nice and cut down [09:54] GNOME 3? I saw jimmac's hacks [09:54] jimmac's hacks? [09:54] linky plz :) [09:54] it had a few nice ideas, but I didn't like the "start menu" at all [09:54] brb, got to feed the giant furballs :) [09:54] it wasn't that nice, it took the windows approach [09:55] one menu to master them all [09:56] artnay: have you seen KDE4 mockups ? [09:56] Tm_T: official ones? [09:56] "official" ones ;) [09:56] they didn't differ that much, only using Qt 4 [09:56] so GUI is almost the same, right? [09:56] oh, you haven't seen aseigos ideas then [09:56] at kde-looks? [09:56] nope [09:57] can't remember where I saw, but aseigo has good ideas about it [09:57] show me the... KDE! [09:57] like what? [09:57] probably on kde-artists.org [09:57] jimmac's hacks: http://www.flickr.com/photos/gamehack/sets/1506658/ [09:58] that Applications menu is terrible [09:58] nothing personal :) [09:58] artnay: well, now there's panel, there's desktop, there's menus... he's main idea is that they're not "separate" but works together making things just work better [09:59] notification area / "systray" is based on a few simple colours, I like that [09:59] stolen from OS X and Apple stole it from... ;) [09:59] and Vista is taking the same approach, that wasn't a surprise [10:00] Tm_T: I didn't get you, need some pics :) [10:01] artnay: trying to find [10:01] and even pics doesnt show the greatness of it [10:02] jimmac's hacks have this hotspot idea [10:02] notice the icons on the upper corners? [10:02] yea [10:02] whoa [10:02] if that is how gnome 3 is going to be... [10:02] then i might change =P [10:02] klepas: you actually like that? [10:04] artnay: I think here's something: http://kde-artists.org/main/forum/index.php?board=5.0 [10:04] they aren't bad [10:04] I guess KDE 4 has many of those features, like that unified notification area [10:04] and i'm assuming of course i can customise them [10:05] customizing GNOME? [10:05] yea [10:06] they want to provide sane defaults, customizing is 2nd priority (if it's even possible without hacks) [10:07] artnay: aye [10:07] that would be good [10:07] i hope kde 4 keeps the same in mind [10:07] well, I hacked my Kicker clock =) [10:08] Tm_T: ok, I only see threads containing ideas how things could be done [10:08] because personally having superkaramba and moving this and moving that would be crap [10:08] no pics [10:08] it uses system resources like nothing else and is not good for slower macines [10:08] artnay: yu, I don't remember where I saw some really nice pics [10:08] s/macines/machines [10:08] klepas: *karamba... never liked it =) [10:09] klepas: some widgets do, but superkaramba by itself? [10:10] not by itself [10:11] but if KDE 4 will be anything like the devs with powerful machines want it to be at default then it is going to suck at first [10:11] it needs to be fast enough to run well [10:11] so maybe optimizing the code of widget would be the place to start [10:11] even on an 800 Mhz machine [10:12] when will KDE 4 be out? more than a year, right? [10:12] artnay: atleast a year [10:13] so there's plenty of time before KDE 4 or GNOME 3 will be released [10:13] really?> [10:13] isn't it 6 months release cycle? [10:13] or did they make an exception? [10:13] for minor changes [10:13] there's no schedule for major changes [10:14] although I saw one project which was delayed for like 3 or 4 months [10:14] it had a schedule [10:14] plasma. [10:15] mmh [10:15] strange [10:15] just curious [10:15] First uploads of the API documentation to this website will likely occur in September 2005 given the current roadmap. [10:15] if you guys open a new tab in konqueror [10:15] so they're behind the schedule [10:16] and then begin typing in a few characters into the url bar [10:16] does it lag a second or two to make the scroll down thing appear? [10:16] because that has begun to annoy me [10:16] =\ [10:17] I guess it does, I'm using XP right now :( [10:17] =[ [10:18] seen my recent screenshot? [10:19] show us already === mpathy [n=mpathy@ACB58E68.ipt.aol.com] has left #ubuntu-artwork [] === kafeine [n=kori@83.228.103.8] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [02:27] klepas: [02:27] Tm_T: [02:27] anyone? [02:27] yes yeas [02:27] -a [02:47] bachler: [02:47] miketech: [02:47] *: [02:47] ? [02:47] WIKI! [02:47] lets do it today, shall we? [02:47] WIKIWIKI! [02:47] Artwork page? [02:47] I won't [02:47] ;) [02:48] have to fix more that clock of mine -> [02:48] ok, I'll watch a few episodes of Lost then === klepas is now known as klepa[s] === bach_skol [i=hidden-u@nat.ksk.sala.se] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === mhz [n=mhz_chil@pc-252-84-215-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === dholbach [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/dholbach] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [08:00] hellas [08:01] would it be ok, if i would added your mailing list as a QA contact to artwork related bug reports? === Danten [n=danten@h227n7c1o1049.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #Ubuntu-artwork === miketech [n=miketech@dslb-084-057-245-025.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [11:32] good night everybody