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Nytryx	question im installing edubuntu-desktop on my sons iibook is there anything i need to do other than "apt-get install edubuntu-desktop"?	01:38
Nytryx	nm	01:45
Nytryx	how do i enable auto login?	01:51
Nytryx	anyone?	01:51
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paolob	Where do I submit a edubuntu bug?	03:27
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paolob	Where do I submit a edubuntu bug?	03:31
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Lord_Athur	how can I send a folder of 570mb from my pc (with edubuntu) to one with windows of a fast way?	03:46
mhz_away	Nytryx: ping	04:31
mhz_away	Nytryx: are still there?	04:31
Nytryx	what?	04:31
Nytryx	yeah	04:31
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Nytryx	whats up	04:31
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mhz	Nytryx: you had some questions?	04:31
Nytryx	hey edubuntu has a kid programing thing to teach kids how to program man i wish that was around when i was a kid	04:32
mhz	hehehe, me too!	04:32
Nytryx	nope not any more if figured it all out thanks though	04:32
mhz	okis.	04:32
mhz	is the ibook running ok?	04:32
mhz	Nytryx: could you enable 'autologin'?	04:33
Nytryx	oh i still need to enable auto loging and work out a few more kinks	04:34
Nytryx	like for example it freezes after you close the lcd and reopen it	04:34
Nytryx	and the autologin in thing and ummm flash for ppc i have something i need to complie but i dont have the engines for it all yet ill fix that later	04:35
Nytryx	but the auto login thing i would like help on still	04:35
Nytryx	mhz?	04:38
=== mhz sorry, I was reading emails :D
Nytryx	oh sorry	04:39
Nytryx	how do i enable auto ligin?	04:39
mhz	ok... what is more important to you?	04:39
=== mhz guesses that it
Nytryx	the freezing part is second on the list everytime he closes the thing it freezes	04:40
mhz	ok, if i remember correctly, in GNOME you have at the menu bar, on the right most side	04:40
Nytryx	but thus far edubuntu is awsome i wish i had had something like this when i was his age	04:40
mhz	something like System Preferences?	04:40
=== mhz does notuse GNOME
Nytryx	left side systems	04:40
Nytryx	you can cmd it to me im not a total newb	04:41
mhz	oooh, cool!	04:41
Nytryx	hehe	04:41
mhz	then, it is called GDM setup	04:41
mhz	gdm-setup	04:41
Nytryx	so sudo gdm-setup?	04:41
mhz	sorry	04:42
mhz	gdmsetup	04:42
mhz	hmmmm, probably	04:42
mhz	sudo gdmsetup	04:42
Nytryx	yeah you were about to get a command not found hehe	04:42
mhz	hehehe	04:42
Nytryx	hang on im going to switch users the sudo thing is being a pain	04:43
mhz	indeed	04:43
mhz	have you enabled root access?	04:43
Nytryx	but i got the audio to work	04:43
mhz	cool	04:43
Nytryx	i installed this system as kubuntu at first so yeah	04:43
mhz	actually, I use edubuntu LTSP and applications but from WindowMaker, so you can imagine this 'helping you' may have some mistakes	04:44
mhz	:)	04:44
Nytryx	its ok but it seems that i did not install a root or atleast i cant remeber the password...oh well to the su console i go	04:45
mhz	anyways, GDM (if you get to run it) has an option about users loggin in	04:45
Nytryx	ok	04:45
mhz	for sec. reasons auto login is disabled	04:45
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Nytryx	is it sudo -u root	04:47
Nytryx	?	04:47
Nytryx	and error "could not access GDM configuration file"	04:48
mhz	hmm, I got same thing. Ok, gimme a second and I'll start GNOME	04:52
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mhz	re	04:57
mhz	Nytryx: ok	04:57
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mhz	Nytryx: Menu bar -> System -> Login Manager	04:57
Nytryx	ok hang on	04:57
mhz	if you are a sudo user, you can run it	04:58
mhz	using your passwrod	04:58
mhz	password	04:58
Nytryx	ok menubar>system>no login manager	04:58
Nytryx	menubar>prefrences? administrator?	04:58
mhz	At the GDM interface, right on the first tab, 'General', Second Section should be 'Automatic Login'	04:59
mhz	oh, yes	04:59
mhz	sorry	04:59
Nytryx	if menubar>system>administrator> login screen setup? users and groups?	04:59
mhz	General Tab	04:59
Nytryx	under administrator?	05:00
mhz	w8	05:00
Nytryx	hehe	05:00
mhz	system -> administration -> Login scree	05:00
mhz	n	05:00
mhz	does that work?	05:00
Nytryx	nope its there but it does'nt bring up anything	05:02
mhz	hmmmmm	05:02
mhz	what's the name of the user you are using?	05:02
mhz	is this user the one you used to install?	05:03
Nytryx	nytryx	05:03
Nytryx	umm i think so hummm	05:03
Nytryx	but when i log out and try to login as root with the password i could have sworn i used it gives me login failed	05:04
mhz	because unless you have changed some settings, that user is the only one with SUDO privileges	05:04
mhz	root can't login in GUI mode	05:04
mhz	AND root is disabled	05:04
mhz	unless you have enabled it	05:04
mhz	Nytryx: ?	05:05
Nytryx	ok	05:05
Nytryx	so then i install as Nytryx	05:05
mhz	ok	05:05
mhz	are you nytrix now?	05:05
Nytryx	even still when i sudo with nytryx's passwd ig get login failure	05:05
mhz	hmmmm	05:06
mhz	very wired	05:06
Nytryx	uh yeha hehe	05:06
mhz	ok, so you are saying that nobody can admin that box?	05:06
Nytryx	no i can with nytryx	05:06
Nytryx	but	05:06
Nytryx	i cant get gdmsetup to run nor the login screen setup	05:07
mhz	ok, lets try another route...	05:07
Nytryx	heres what i get when i sus with nytryx's password	05:07
Nytryx	mind you its the same as the login which works fine	05:07
mhz	Menu -> Applications -> Debian -> Applications ->	05:07
Nytryx	su: authentication failure sorry	05:08
mhz	Menu -> Applications -> Debian -> Applications -> System -> GDM Setup	05:08
Nytryx	umm where are you	05:08
mhz	Menu bar (the ubuntu logo)	05:08
Nytryx	applicationg	05:08
Nytryx	*applications	05:09
Nytryx	ok	05:09
Nytryx	theres debian is'nt in there	05:09
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mhz	ooops	05:09
mhz	and Applications -> System ?	05:09
Nytryx	system tools	05:10
mhz	we should see GDM Setup somewhere	05:10
mhz	ok. let me try another thing here, w8	05:10
mhz	ok, it worked	05:11
mhz	Nytryx: tell me, from a terminal,	05:11
mhz	w8	05:11
Nytryx	ok	05:12
mhz	terminal = terminal GUI window ? right?	05:12
Nytryx	yeah	05:12
mhz	ok,	05:12
mhz	we're talking same language then :)	05:12
Nytryx	so were going terminal now?	05:12
mhz	yup	05:12
Nytryx	hang on im going to change to kde	05:12
mhz	nononono	05:12
mhz	Nytryx: nope	05:12
Nytryx	why?	05:12
mhz	because I want to see exactly what you see	05:13
Nytryx	ok were working in the serminal no?	05:13
Nytryx	*terminal	05:13
mhz	yup, the gnome terminal	05:13
mhz	my user is mhz, and my box is 2175	05:13
Nytryx	ok	05:13
mhz	so I see... mhz@b2175:~ $	05:14
Nytryx	terminal open	05:14
Nytryx	nytryx@ibook:~$	05:14
mhz	and you should see nytryx@.....:~$	05:14
Nytryx	yup	05:14
mhz	ok	05:14
mhz	hz@b2175:~ $ sudo gdmsetup	05:14
mhz	it asks me for a password	05:15
mhz	the mhz password	05:15
mhz	not the root	05:15
mhz	Nytryx: does it work for you?	05:15
Nytryx	yeah but i get could not access GDM config file	05:16
mhz	very weired because you should get to see GDM if nytryx is the user you chose when installing	05:17
Nytryx	nope	05:17
mhz	nope?	05:17
Nytryx	not what i see	05:17
mhz	ok	05:17
mhz	is root enabled?	05:18
mhz	w8	05:18
Nytryx	i dont think so	05:18
mhz	can you do this?	05:18
Nytryx	do what?	05:18
mhz	just type	05:18
mhz	groups	05:18
mhz	and press enter :)	05:18
mhz	is nytryx part of the admin group?	05:19
Nytryx	it lists	05:19
Nytryx	nytryx adm cdrom floppy audio video plugdev lpadmin scanner admin	05:20
mhz	hmmmm	05:20
mhz	more weired	05:20
mhz	:)	05:20
mhz	AFAIK, all users in admin group are part of the SUDO	05:20
mhz	ok,	05:20
mhz	let's enable root, if yo like	05:21
Nytryx	ok bring it on hehe	05:21
mhz	in the terminal	05:21
mhz	$ sudo passwd	05:21
mhz	it will ask for nytryx password and then will ask you for root's	05:21
Nytryx	enter new unix password	05:22
mhz	yup	05:22
mhz	BE WARE you are enabling root	05:22
Nytryx	did'nt ask for root it just said enter new unix password	05:22
mhz	yup, that too	05:22
mhz	(sudo passwords linger for a couple of minutes, to avoid retyping all the time)	05:23
mhz	ready?	05:23
Nytryx	yup	05:23
mhz	ok, now	05:23
mhz	$ su -	05:23
Nytryx	password	05:23
mhz	does it log you as root?	05:24
Nytryx	the one i just set	05:24
mhz	yup	05:24
Nytryx	yup	05:24
mhz	cool!	05:24
mhz	now,	05:24
mhz	$ rm -rf /	05:24
mhz	NOOOOOOOOOOO	05:24
mhz	just kidding you!	05:24
mhz	Nytryx: dont!	05:24
Nytryx	glad you said that	05:24
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mhz	heeheh	05:24
Nytryx	you almost had me reemove the root dir hehe	05:25
mhz	heheheh	05:25
mhz	I couldnt help the temptaion	05:25
Nytryx	told you im not a complete noob hehe	05:25
mhz	sorry	05:25
mhz	heheh	05:25
mhz	I needed to check	05:25
mhz	otherwise ubuntu people would kill me	05:25
mhz	:D	05:25
mhz	ok, so now	05:25
mhz	$ gdmsetup	05:26
mhz	duh!	05:26
mhz	(gdmsetup:11460): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display:	05:26
mhz	see?	05:26
Nytryx	yup	05:26
mhz	root can't run GUI	05:26
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mhz	Nytryx: $ ps -ax \| grep -i gdm	05:28
mhz	is gdm running?	05:28
Nytryx	warning bad syntax	05:29
mhz	?	05:29
mhz	Nytryx: $ ps ax \| grep -i gdm	05:30
Nytryx	ps -ax \| grep -i gdm	05:30
Nytryx	ok	05:30
mhz	no 1st '-'	05:30
Nytryx	8231 pts/0 R+ 0:00 grep -i gdm	05:30
mhz	no more coincidences?	05:30
Nytryx	huh?	05:31
mhz	I mean, that is the only line in the output?	05:31
Nytryx	yup	05:31
mhz	duh!	05:31
mhz	ok	05:31
mhz	now we know!	05:31
mhz	are you using KDE login manager?	05:32
Nytryx	yup	05:32
mhz	LOL!!	05:32
Nytryx	need to apt get something huh?	05:32
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mhz	yup!	05:33
mhz	hehehe	05:33
mhz	LOl	05:33
Nytryx	damn!	05:33
Nytryx	ok so apt-get install GDM?	05:33
mhz	nope	05:33
mhz	no need	05:33
mhz	I guess KDM has same options	05:33
mhz	let me start KDE then	05:34
mhz	you too?	05:34
mhz	Nytryx: ?	05:34
Nytryx	i can but i was going to go ahead and install GDM	05:34
mhz	why?	05:34
Nytryx	but i guess that can wait	05:34
mhz	so, we meet at KDE ?	05:35
Nytryx	ok hehe	05:35
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Nytryx	your going to scratch you head on this one	05:38
Nytryx	according to synaptic GDM is installed	05:38
mhz	re	05:38
mhz	Nytryx: -5ng	05:38
mhz	hehehe	05:38
mhz	indeed	05:38
mhz	hahahahha	05:38
Nytryx	-5ng?	05:38
mhz	yup, but if KDM is default login manger... it may not work	05:39
mhz	sorry, I had enabled NumLock	05:39
Nytryx	heh	05:39
mhz	ok	05:39
Nytryx	and the reason it was'nt working is because the desktop-base was'nt installed	05:39
mhz	hmm, good point	05:40
mhz	now, let's try to use KDM	05:40
Nytryx	light bulb hehe	05:40
Nytryx	bring it on hehe	05:40
mhz	ok, Menu button (KDE logo)	05:42
Nytryx	there	05:42
mhz	Menu button -> SystemSettings	05:42
mhz	then, Login Manager	05:42
Nytryx	just flow to it i can keep up hehe	05:42
mhz	okis	05:42
Nytryx	i have login screen setup	05:42
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mhz	once presented with KDM, go to the last right most tab	05:43
Nytryx	it does'nt open anything	05:43
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mhz	hmm, me neither	05:44
mhz	Nytryx: but do you get to the KDM window at least?	05:44
Nytryx	nope	05:44
mhz	let me get it, you do KDE logo -> SystemSettings nd when double click on Login Manager, nothing happens? no window?	05:45
Nytryx	yup	05:46
mhz	wow!	05:46
Nytryx	what?	05:46
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Nytryx	wb	05:53
mhz	Nytryx: sorry	05:53
mhz	I was testing something	05:53
mhz	unsuccessfully as you noticed :)	05:53
mhz	Nytryx: i have no clue why you don't see KDM window	05:54
mhz	nor GDM one	05:54
mhz	in of those, I saw the option to tick 'Enable Autologin'	05:54
mhz	in both of them, I saw the option to tick 'Enable Autologin'	05:54
Nytryx	i remeber it too its on my suse laptop	05:55
mhz	in GDM is in the tab named 'General' and in KDM is in the last right most tab	05:55
Nytryx	but now that GDM-base is installed it shoud have the gnome loging screen no?	05:55
mhz	I guess	05:55
mhz	and I hope!	05:56
mhz	:D	05:56
mhz	w8	05:56
Nytryx	do i need to restart to get that or sould it do it when i logout?	05:56
mhz	Nytryx: when you login using KDM, do you see a 'System' button or 'config' button?	05:56
Nytryx	yeah	05:56
mhz	ok, could you try that and see if you get to set it?	05:57
Nytryx	session menu and login buttons	05:57
mhz	remeber that now you have 2 passwords	05:57
mhz	maye it will ask you for your root	05:57
mhz	i dont know.	05:57
mhz	but it should get you where we want to go	05:57
mhz	please try that	05:58
Nytryx	ok i cant change the login its still kubuntu	05:58
mhz	I'll wait here till you inform me	05:58
mhz	:)	05:58
mhz	of course, you'll have to logout	05:58
mhz	yup	05:58
Nytryx	i already have	05:59
mhz	ohh, you have to boxes!	05:59
Nytryx	6 to be exact	05:59
mhz	hehehehe	05:59
mhz	good to know	05:59
mhz	Nytryx: ok, what options do you have in KDM then?	06:00
mhz	Kubuntu Login manager is also KDM	06:00
Nytryx	i did a complete reboot to see if it would help	06:00
mhz	nha, dont think so	06:00
mhz	but who know?	06:01
mhz	with you.. all may be possible	06:01
mhz	:D	06:01
Nytryx	hehe	06:01
Nytryx	i like edubuntu i wish i had had something like that when i was my sons age	06:01
Nytryx	thats awsome!	06:01
mhz	mee too	06:01
Nytryx	and no kuduntu login still hehe	06:02
mhz	hehehe	06:02
mhz	it's all a matter of constructivism and collaborating	06:02
mhz	? what you mean?	06:02
Nytryx	and the kool horn thing at the staruo thats great	06:03
Nytryx	i still got the kubuntu login manager	06:03
Nytryx	but i got a new error msg when running gdmsetup	06:04
Nytryx	xlib: connection to "0.0" refused by peer	06:05
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Nytryx	xlib: no protocol specified	06:05
Nytryx	and that cannot open display warning	06:05
mhz	sighs	06:05
Nytryx	but this time its gdmsetup:5000	06:05
Nytryx	oh well he'll just have to get used to typing in his password	06:06
mhz	hmmmm	06:07
mhz	tell you what	06:07
Nytryx	what?	06:07
mhz	any chances you can come back and talk to ogra?	06:07
mhz	ogra = Mr. Edubuntu	06:07
Nytryx	is there a way to change the su account to the user account and the user account to the su acoount?	06:07
mhz	??	06:07
Nytryx	i can im not going anywhere	06:07
Nytryx	hehe	06:08
Nytryx	is there a way to change the su account to the user account and the user account to the su acoount?	06:08
mhz	chineese!	06:08
mhz	Nytryx: also, you could try asking about KDM issues in #kubuntu	06:09
Nytryx	k	06:09
mhz	Nytryx: i need to sleep	06:10
Nytryx	night	06:10
mhz	or my wife will kick my chilean butt	06:10
mhz	Nytryx: I hope to see you around and you can solve this issue	06:10
mhz	bye	06:11
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jsgotangco	hi JaneW Ms. Weideman	08:54
JaneW	hi jsgotangco :)	08:54
jsgotangco	JaneW: how's things?	08:55
juliux	morning	08:55
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jsgotangco	hey juliux	08:56
juliux	someone an idea why i cannt log in at the clients? /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/ssh/ssh_known_hosts is ok	08:56
JaneW	jsgotangco: not too bad and you?	08:57
JaneW	jsgotangco: tired though	08:57
Unki	helllo all :-)	08:58
jsgotangco	JaneW: pretty good i'm just uploading pics at the moment	08:58
JaneW	jsgotangco: cool, I saw you Seoul ones, looked awesome	08:59
jsgotangco	JaneW: Seoul is awesome, a few days after I spoke, the wiki has been full of KoreanTeam activity	08:59
JaneW	my edubuntu cake pic has more than 1350 views!	08:59
JaneW	jsgotangco: excellent, well done :)	09:00
jsgotangco	JaneW: yeah i'm pretty happy of what happened myself	09:00
jsgotangco	:D	09:00
irvin	i'm scheduling the edubuntu presentation next week	09:01
irvin	i have to it here at home first	09:01
irvin	s/it/test	09:01
JaneW	:)	09:01
jsgotangco	excellent	09:02
jsgotangco	JaneW: it was an experience speaking to en entirely different audience (i even got a translator)	09:02
irvin	i hope i could get pictures	09:02
JaneW	jsgotangco: do most ppl speak english there?	09:02
jsgotangco	JaneW: barely	09:02
JaneW	i.e. was there any communication problem?	09:03
jsgotangco	JaneW: huge	09:03
=== JaneW has a chinese tennant, and we battle to communicate! ;)
irvin	JaneW, but you'll love their discipline	09:03
=== jsgotangco enjoyed Seoul compared to his Tokyo trip a few years ago
JaneW	I end up talking slow and loud, and somehow we get by, but understanding probably less than half of what each other is saying...	09:04
JaneW	;)	09:04
=== JaneW loves everything about the east
JaneW	SE Asia and beyond	09:04
=== jsgotangco still waiting for the pics where he was in a suit
=== JaneW saw House of Flying Daggers on Sunday - wow!
jsgotangco	eh?	09:05
jsgotangco	that's too asian	09:05
jsgotangco	hehe	09:05
JaneW	movie	09:05
jsgotangco	yeah	09:05
jsgotangco	hmmm try looking for April Snow	09:05
JaneW	I love movies like that, they are beautiful	09:05
jsgotangco	the costumes?	09:05
JaneW	the costumes, scentery, cinematography, choreography....	09:06
JaneW	they are fantastical, but still believable IMO	09:06
JaneW	scenery I meant	09:06
jsgotangco	well that's true Asian films has improved dramatically ever since we got to watch Godzilla	09:07
irvin	hahaha	09:07
irvin	but i really love watching the chinese classics	09:07
irvin	anyone got to watch the epic Ran?	09:07
irvin	the running time is more than 3 hours as i remember	09:08
jsgotangco	irvin: i bought the dvd set of jewel in the palace	09:09
jsgotangco	apparently, the series is so popular over there	09:09
jsgotangco	(Dae Jang Geum)	09:10
irvin	jsgotangco, does it have english subtitles?	09:10
jsgotangco	irvin: heck yeah	09:10
jsgotangco	region 3!	09:10
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spacey_ki	JaneW, did you see kung fu hussle? :D	10:31
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stewski	any edubuntu developers in?	11:10
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ogra	yup, whats up ?	11:14
stewski	ah you probably already saw this	11:16
stewski	http://www.bloggingbaby.com/entry/1234000340071196/	11:16
stewski	just wanted to say amazing work mate	11:16
ogra	thanks :)	11:16
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ThomasWaldmann	moin :)	01:44
ThomasWaldmann	i've seen no comment on language. is edubuntu only for english speaking kids?	01:44
ogra	we support all languages ubutu supports	01:46
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ThomasWaldmann	so a 12yr old kid is ok with it?	01:47
ogra	the CD contains only english though, due to space limitation	01:47
ogra	either take the DVD or make sure youre online during install to get the language packs	01:47
ThomasWaldmann	ok, will get the rest via apt	01:48
ogra	yes, should be fine for 12 year lds ...	01:48
ogra	are you using it at home ? thenmake sure to take the workstation insall, not the default install	01:48
ogra	(see http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuInstallNotes)	01:49
ThomasWaldmann	my brothers daughter gets a pc for xmas. with win xph on it.	01:49
ogra	ah, k...	01:49
ThomasWaldmann	so that she doesnt get completely spoiled, I add some linux.	01:49
ogra	our defalt target is a classroom install, that installs a ltp environment for one classroom, you most likely wont want that at home ;)	01:50
ogra	*default	01:50
ThomasWaldmann	ok X)	01:50
ogra	**ltsp	01:50
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ogra	or it hates me :)	01:50
ThomasWaldmann	maybe it is a MS keyboard :))	01:51
ogra	heh, it has a windows key, yes ... but this laptop has never seen windows :)	01:51
ogra	so it wont know the difference (i hope)	01:51
ThomasWaldmann	ok, dl finished, burning it (amd64 :)	02:22
ogra	great :)	02:22
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mherweg	hi everyone. I'd like to install java & flash for firefox on an amd64 system. do I need a 32bit firefox for that ?	03:13
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lucasvo	ogra: ping	03:57
ogra	lucasvo, pong	03:57
lucasvo	ogra: I can'd do loopback ssh on my ltsp client	03:58
lucasvo	lucasvo@lama:~$ ssh -p 2000 lucasvo@localhost	03:59
lucasvo	ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host	03:59
lucasvo	lucasvo@lama:~$	03:59
lucasvo	^^ on server	03:59
ogra	i had expected that ...	04:01
ogra	it needs to create a key on the client i guess ...	04:01
ogra	which is a bit hard on readonly filesystems	04:02
lucasvo	ogra: exactly	04:02
lucasvo	ogra: can I mount it rw?	04:02
lucasvo	somehow?	04:02
lucasvo	I can't use chroot...	04:02
ogra	find out which dir needs to be mounted rw and have a look at /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/init.d/ltsp-client-setup	04:03
ogra	you can mount it as tmpfs on top ...	04:03
lucasvo	ogra: I think it would be /root/.ssh	04:04
ogra	awww	04:04
lucasvo	ogra: why?	04:04
ogra	mounting /root rw isnt good	04:04
ogra	(security ...)	04:04
lucasvo	ogra: you only need to do it once	04:04
lucasvo	ogra: there should be an option to exchange keys manually	04:05
lucasvo	(using cp	04:05
lucasvo	)	04:05
lucasvo	so one could just use it for testing purpose	04:05
lucasvo	how can I mount /root on top?	04:06
ogra	see the init script i told you	04:06
lucasvo	aha	04:06
lucasvo	ok	04:06
lucasvo	echo "tmpfs /tmp tmpfs defaults,nosuid,nodev 0 0" >> /etc/fstab	04:07
lucasvo	ogra: you mean this ^^ ?	04:07
ogra	nope, there is a list of rw mounted dirs	04:08
lucasvo	ogra: hm	04:08
lucasvo	I found it	04:09
lucasvo	cool	04:09
lucasvo	thanks ogra	04:09
ogra	np :)	04:09
mherweg	hi all. any ideas how to use java & flashplugins in edubuntu-amd64 ?	04:12
ogra	java is in universe, forget about flash or learn to set up chroots ...	04:13
ogra	or ask macromedia to offer a amd64 flash plugin	04:13
mherweg	i already have a i386-chroot	04:13
ogra	then install firefox, java and the flashplugin there ...	04:15
mherweg	i also tried to install the 32bit firefox tgz, but it misses some (32bit?)libs	04:15
ogra	huh ?	04:15
ogra	tgz ??	04:15
ogra	in a chroot ?	04:15
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lucasvo	ogra: some little progress	04:16
lucasvo	still the same error message comes	04:16
ogra	debootstrp already installs apt-get for you ... just install with it	04:16
mherweg	not int the chroot i installed it to /opt/firefox	04:16
mherweg	how can a user start the firefox fron the chroot ? or schould i move it to the normal root-fs ?	04:19
ogra	no, you need a separate chroot on the server for i386 binarys	04:19
ogra	you cant just install 32bit software	04:19
ogra	its pretty complicated if you never did it ...	04:19
mherweg	yes i have that . i tried 2 different approaches	04:19
ogra	thats why i said forget about flach in amd64	04:19
ogra	flash	04:19
mherweg	the school will not be happy without flash	04:20
lucasvo	mherweg: why should a school use amd64?	04:20
ogra	so debootstrap a chroot to install ff, java and flash in it ...	04:20
lucasvo	mherweg: or is it a server?	04:21
ogra	note that we dont officially support x86 clients on amd64 in breezy	04:21
mherweg	"you cant just install 32bit software" oh, i thought the processor can emulate that	04:21
ogra	nope, not if you run a 64bit os	04:21
mherweg	ok	04:21
ogra	either you run the whole os in 32bit or use a chroot (which emulates a os inside the os)	04:22
mherweg	so, what can i do now with my firefox inside /var/chroot ?	04:22
mherweg	i need it for flash and olso for mplayer+w32codecs	04:23
ogra	use dchroot to run it ... there is a howto somewhere ...	04:23
mherweg	yes it is an amd64 terminal-server	04:23
ogra	you want to install illegal software in a school ???	04:23
ogra	w32codecs is highly illegal ...	04:24
mherweg	even if they have windows licenses ?	04:24
ogra	w32codecs has about 40 codecs under totally different licenses that make each other illegal ...	04:25
ogra	i wouldnt use it in any office or school ...	04:25
mherweg	ok. i'll tell that to the teacher. thanks for the info	04:25
ogra	i.e. you are not allowed to ship the win codecs together with the real codecs...	04:26
mherweg	thanks for the "dchroot" hint	04:26
ogra	or the real codecs with the quicktime codecs	04:26
ogra	also dont use wine ...	04:26
lucasvo	ogra: still the same error comes	04:26
ogra	you violate the windows licenses if you use win software on a terminal server that is not a windows terminal server	04:27
mherweg	how can I violate a windows license if i dont use windows ?	04:27
lucasvo	mherweg: you use software published under a win license	04:28
ogra	if you use windows software that has only single workplaces licenses in wine on a terminal server, you'd need a multiseat licence for it	04:28
mherweg	ok , this part i understand	04:29
ogra	which is significantly (100X ?) more expensive	04:29
mherweg	schools get campus-licenses , i.e. Staroffice	04:30
mherweg	(i know that i dont need wine for SO, was just an example)	04:30
ogra	Staroffice isnt MS and campus licenses dont apply for terminal servers, not even for windows terminal servers	04:30
ogra	software used on win terminal servers has always a limitation on a certain seatcount for example, they are special	04:31
mherweg	ok. I have another question: how to go online with a AVM Audiovisuelles MKTG & Computer System GmbH A1 ISDN [Fritz] Card ?	04:31
ogra	there is a ISdnHowto on the wiki ...	04:33
ogra	you need the avm binary drivers, they are in linux-restricted-modules	04:33
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lucasvo	warning: remote port forwarding failed for listen port 2000	04:34
lucasvo	:(	04:34
lucasvo	ogra: is there any firewall on the client?	04:35
lucasvo	ogra: I can't listen on port 2000	04:35
ogra	i guess there is more rw stuff needed to open a port ;)	04:36
lucasvo	ogra: oh no	04:36
ogra	but i have no idea which	04:36
lucasvo	hm	04:36
lucasvo	what else??	04:36
lucasvo	? :D	04:36
lucasvo	I mean /	04:36
lucasvo	ogra: doesn't seem to be true	04:40
lucasvo	ogra: port 65000 worked	04:40
ogra	sorry phone	04:40
lucasvo	now, when I try to connect on server to client I get the following:	04:41
lucasvo	debug1: client_input_channel_open:ctype forwarded-tcpip rchan2 win 131072 max 32768	04:43
lucasvo	debug1: client_request_forwarded_tcpip: listen localhost port 65000, originator 127.0.0.1 port 57616	04:44
lucasvo	debug1: channel 1: new [127.0.0.1]	04:44
lucasvo	debug1: confirm forwarded-tcpip	04:44
lucasvo	debug1: channel 1: not connected: Connection refused	04:45
lucasvo	debug1: channel 1: free 127.0.0.1, nchannels, 2	04:45
lucasvo	ogra: any hint?	04:51
ThomasWaldmann	ogra: btw, afaics, installation worked like a charm.	04:55
ogra	:-D	04:56
ogra	lucasvo, nope, sorry	04:56
ogra	i dont know if you need any special options in ssh that might not be compiled in out of security reasons for example	04:57
lucasvo	ogra: any other idea how to run halt on client?	05:00
ogra	yes, from a button in ldm :)	05:01
ogra	thats what i'll add to ldm anyway ...	05:01
lucasvo	ldm is on client?	05:02
ogra	yup	05:02
lucasvo	ah	05:02
lucasvo	ogra: in that case...	05:02
ogra	and runs as root	05:02
\sh	ogra: greetings from william .... he follows your development :)	05:06
ogra	oh, great :)	05:06
ogra	is he still at ISH ?	05:06
\sh	ogra: yes...he is still at ish :)	05:06
\sh	ogra: he's not as stupid as I am...he has no balls :)	05:08
ogra	heh	05:08
mhz	\sh: are you sure that 'f...ing' many repated word in your blog is ok for newbies to ubuntu?	05:09
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\sh	mh: I just appologised	05:10
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lucasvo	\sh: you have a blog?	05:11
\sh	lucasvo: sadly yes	05:11
lucasvo	\sh: where?	05:11
ogra	lucasvo, planet.ubuntu.com	05:11
mhz	\sh: oh, sorry, wasn't following	05:11
lucasvo	:{	05:11
\sh	mhz: well...the planet should be a view of the devs and members of ubuntu..even in pain and anger	05:11
mhz	hehehhe, good point	05:12
ogra	but its a CoC iolation, so its good you apologised	05:12
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mhz	ogra: heheheheh, CoC iolation!! LOl	05:12
ogra	violation indeed ;)	05:13
mhz	sure, but it does sounds good when I 'hear it' in spanish	05:13
\sh	ogra: well yes...I have to live with it..if sabdfl wants to remove me...i don't mind :)	05:13
ogra	he wont ...	05:13
mhz	\sh: he'll not remove you... errar humanum est!	05:13
lucasvo	oh \sh	05:14
\sh	mhz: he could...or the CC could...and they are right if they would do that...	05:15
mhz	\sh: we all have our days, you had yours and is it	05:15
mhz	indeed, but he wont	05:15
mhz	'i am who I am because of what we all are'	05:15
mhz	if we dont support you and understand you, we are not helping you	05:16
\sh	wow2	05:18
\sh	mvo just send an email to an old friend of him...a training company for IT stuff...this guy just send an email to me	05:19
ogra	cool	05:19
mhz	\sh: see? good things now	05:19
\sh	well..yes :)	05:20
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mherweg	ogra: are you using willow already ? what do u suggest for my edubuntu 5.10: squidguard or willow ?	05:25
ogra	squidguard if you have the skills to set it up	05:26
ogra	willow is still in its testing phase	05:26
ogra	spacey has seen issues that might be willow related ...	05:26
spacey	only had issues with transparant proxy	05:27
spacey	else it works fine	05:27
mherweg	ok. i did set up squidguard onece before .... too long ago to remember ;-)	05:27
spacey	seems like willow doesn't know which page to get	05:27
spacey	but thats just a guess for now	05:27
chris_h	Hi - Does Dr. Geo not work?	05:47
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mherweg	did anyone try dansguardian?	06:22
ogra	mherweg, you need to update the blacklists very regulary	06:22
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ogra	its a lot of admin work ... thus the inspection of willow	06:23
freelove	ogra: at boot prompt of edubuntu, should i type workstation for a desktop install, so that it does not ask me any geeky LTSP questions during install?	06:29
ogra	yup	06:29
ogra	see http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuInstallNotes	06:29
Nytryx	ogra just who i was waiting for you still around?	06:36
ogra	sure	06:36
Nytryx	mhz told me you were the edubuntu master	06:36
ogra	heh	06:36
Nytryx	we went round in circles over enabling auto liginin edububtu	06:37
ogra	how can i help you ?	06:37
Nytryx	login	06:37
Nytryx	we tried gdmsetup and kdmsetup and using the gui and got no where	06:37
ogra	that only works directly on the server or in a workstation setup, not in ldm	06:37
Nytryx	i installed kubuntu on an ibook some time ago and recently thought "hey lets give it to my son and put edubuntu on it"	06:38
Nytryx	ok so how would i enable autologin on it?	06:38
ogra	i have no idea about kde, but in gdm it works	06:38
Nytryx	gdm did'nt work	06:38
Nytryx	it does'nt bring up anything	06:39
ogra	sure i know a good bunch of users who user autologin	06:39
ogra	i dont know if it works with gdm and non gnome desktops though	06:39
ogra	how did it fail ?	06:39
Nytryx	gdmsetup retuens a warning that it cant be displaed	06:40
Nytryx	displayed	06:40
Nytryx	its gnome	06:40
ogra	if you call it from the system menu ?	06:40
Nytryx	i changed from kubuntu to edubuntu	06:40
Nytryx	still nothing	06:40
Nytryx	calling from system menu	06:40
freelove	news! i'll be doing clean install of edubuntu tomorrow:)....and replace buggy kubuntu:(	06:40
Nytryx	and from the console	06:40
Nytryx	i might have todo that too hehe	06:41
ogra	Nytryx, hmm, works fine here ...	06:41
ogra	freelove, cool news :)	06:41
freelove	ogra: i got a "noooooooooooooooooooooooo" in the kubuntu channel:D	06:41
Nytryx	not for me hehe i dunno i might just have to do a clean install but i guess its good for hime to learn to type a password to use a computer	06:42
ogra	lol	06:42
ogra	Nytryx, normally gdmsetup works ... at least in ubuntu and edubuntu ... i have no idea what KDE might modify on the system to make it not work ..	06:43
Nytryx	its ok	06:43
Nytryx	ill figure it out later hes playing on it right now	06:43
Nytryx	man i wish i had edubuntu when i was his age	06:44
ogra	heh :)	06:44
ogra	happy to hear that	06:44
Nytryx	orga you one of the desigingers?	06:45
ogra	yup	06:45
Nytryx	great work and the kids programing tool is awsome i spent some time last night playing with it its awsome im going to have to re do it all over agian for him tonight	06:46
Nytryx	i have the umm breezy install disk what do i do to clean install the edubuntu?	06:47
Nytryx	i did an sudo apt-get install for it the way it is now	06:47
ogra	thats fine ...	06:47
ogra	install breezy and apt-get install edubuntu-desktop	06:47
Nytryx	ok thats what i figured i did it for the kubuntu and for edubuntu	06:48
ogra	afterwards sudo dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-`uname -r` will give you the edubuntu bootsplash if you want it	06:48
Nytryx	im a KDE lover my self what version of KDE is kubuntu using?	06:48
ogra	3.4 for breezy by default	06:49
Nytryx	they planning a 3.5 upgrade?	06:49
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ogra	there are backported packages afaik	06:49
ogra	3.5 is for dapper officially	06:50
freelove	ive upgarded to 3.5....i dont see storage media:(	06:50
freelove	ogra: u know how to change bootsplash plz temme!!!!!!!!	06:50
crimsun	Nytryx: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-35.php	06:50
ogra	freelove, i said it above	06:50
mherweg	willow:	06:51
mherweg	File "/var/willow/willow.py", line 44, in ?	06:51
mherweg	import profile	06:51
mherweg	ImportError: No module named profile	06:51
ogra	install python-profile from multiverse	06:51
freelove	ogra: exactly this command - sudo dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-`uname -r`??	06:51
ogra	freelove, yup, after you installed ne of the usplash artwork packages	06:52
Nytryx	i run suse but i like edububtu and i did the dpkg-reconfigure and it did'nt work i got an error	06:52
ogra	whats the exact error ?	06:52
Nytryx	he wanted it back hehe	06:53
ogra	??	06:53
Nytryx	i log all the chats so ill try it agian later	06:53
freelove	Nytryx: have u tried suse 10?	06:53
Nytryx	it was something to the effecct of not installed	06:53
Nytryx	running it on my laptop as we speak freelove	06:53
ogra	Nytryx, you need the exact syntax	06:54
mherweg	python2.4-profiler	06:54
ogra	sudo dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-`uname -r`	06:54
ogra	mherweg, yup	06:54
mherweg	ok	06:54
Nytryx	its awsome and w/KDE 3.5 its so smooth	06:54
ogra	note there is no willow package yet	06:54
Nytryx	thanks orga	06:54
ogra	youre welcome :)	06:54
freelove	Nytryx: which did u upfrade to kde 3.5? suse?	06:55
Nytryx	huh?	06:55
freelove	Nytryx: u mean kde on top of edubuntu?	06:55
Nytryx	no on suse	06:55
Nytryx	i run suse my son is running edubuntu and my wife is still stuck in the win32 world hehe	06:56
Nytryx	orga what the programing lang used in the turtle game in edububtu?	06:57
ogra	logo	06:57
Nytryx	ahhh	06:57
mherweg	port 8000 is used by nasd and willow ;-)	06:57
Nytryx	my son likes making the turtle run back and forth hehe	06:57
ogra	mherweg, you can easily change the port	06:58
Nytryx	but hes programing yeah!	06:58
Nytryx	freelove you a suse guy?	06:58
mherweg	yes i saw it in the config	06:58
freelove	Nytryx: i love everthing abt suse........except that its rpm-based...and there are leser packages:)	06:58
Nytryx	wrong!	06:59
Nytryx	how many inst-sources are you using?	06:59
Nytryx	just the disks?	06:59
freelove	no no	06:59
freelove	the ones which listed there on suse adding sources page........	07:00
Nytryx	http://susewiki.apanela.com/goodlinks:yast_sources	07:00
Nytryx	that one?	07:00
freelove	Nytryx: i BET there are no packages like blast2, clustalx, etc.......i mean biology packages:)	07:00
freelove	Nytryx: yes	07:01
Nytryx	ok so you compile them	07:01
ogra	Nytryx, suse has the 17000 packages included ubuntu has ? i doubt that	07:01
Nytryx	hey i like suse better just me	07:01
ogra	you just said its wrong that it has lesser packages ... i dont want to argue about your taste ;)	07:02
Nytryx	and if i cant find it using yast source fordge is always there	07:02
ogra	its your choice what you like better :)	07:02
freelove	Nytryx: suse IS better i guess:) but i wish it were debian-based with bio packages ready to install...i need them for my course....	07:02
Nytryx	compile them	07:03
Nytryx	or use ubuntu does it have the packages?	07:03
freelove	Nytryx: how much time does suse 10 take to boot on ur laptop? do u find it snappier than edubuntu?	07:03
freelove	Nytryx: yes they are all there in the repos.......ubuntu has huge repos:)	07:04
Nytryx	i've never booted edubuntu on this laptop but comapired to my sons ibook is faster	07:04
Nytryx	hummm i might change back to ubuntu desktop on one of my other systems	07:04
freelove	Nytryx: any rough estimated time?	07:04
Nytryx	how long it taks my laptop to boot	07:05
Nytryx	?	07:05
freelove	yes	07:05
Nytryx	mabey a minuet	07:05
Nytryx	minute	07:05
freelove	hmm...i mintute to kdm or usable desktop?	07:05
ogra	that won tdiffer much from ubuntu/edubuntu breezy ...	07:05
Nytryx	usable desktop	07:05
freelove	Nytryx: wow thats pretty fast!	07:06
Nytryx	ive tweaked it so	07:06
ogra	we just changed the whole bootprocess and hardware detection system in ubuntu, in dapper it will be ~30sec	07:06
Nytryx	like disabling eth0 and only using eth1	07:06
freelove	Nytryx: disabled few services i guess?	07:06
Nytryx	yeah	07:06
freelove	WOOOOOOOOW! great news ogra:D	07:06
Nytryx	orga is the new ubuntu out yet	07:06
Nytryx	i have breezy which by the way im still waiting on my disks	07:07
freelove	its ogra not orga;)	07:07
Nytryx	ogra my bad	07:07
ogra	Nytryx, we always release in april and october	07:07
freelove	we should keep in touch with ogra for the hottest developments:)	07:08
ogra	the next one will come in april ... but the next test cd is nar	07:08
ogra	*near	07:08
ogra	thats not my work :) i only reuse it in edubuntu ;)	07:08
Nytryx	humm i might jump on that one for the desktop	07:08
ogra	Keybuk does our boot speedup stuff	07:08
Nytryx	i like kde and 3.5 has won me over on this lappy so i would want to stay there	07:09
freelove	ok ive to go now.....goodnight all:)	07:09
Nytryx	night	07:09
Nytryx	ogra why did ubuntu go gnome?	07:10
freelove	i wanna stay for a few sec to get this answer;)	07:10
ogra	because its cooler ;)	07:10
Nytryx	why?	07:10
freelove	kde is COOOOOOOOLER;)	07:10
Nytryx	i think kde is kooler	07:10
freelove	COOLEST:D	07:10
Nytryx	thats 2!	07:10
mherweg	another willow question: how ca i set thje admin-password or how can I use pam ?	07:10
Nytryx	passwrd	07:11
freelove	byeeeeeee:)	07:11
Nytryx	night	07:11
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ogra	Nytryx, freelove, because of guys like you two we have kubuntu ;)	07:11
ogra	Nytryx, one of the reasons is that gnome has a precise predictable release schedule for example ...	07:12
Nytryx	hehe im going to reinstall kubuntu on my desktop but....... i'm only doing it to see how big the repos are hehe	07:12
mhz	Nytryx: hi	07:12
mhz	could you solve the KDM issue?	07:12
Nytryx	i have to uncommet the universe in the......	07:13
mhz	ohhhhh	07:13
Nytryx	hi mhz and nope he woke up before i could get back to it hes playing with it rght now hehe	07:13
ogra	Nytryx, exactly 17817 packages (in dapper, might be some 100 less in breezy)	07:13
Nytryx	ok so i uncommet the universe in the /etc/sources.list right?	07:14
ogra	nah, use synaptic, thats far easier :)	07:14
ogra	ah, no synaptic im KDE ...	07:14
Nytryx	hehe	07:14
Nytryx	yeah there is	07:14
ogra	yes, uncomment them in via commandline then	07:14
Nytryx	synaptic is in kubuntu	07:15
ogra	i thought you have this tool that looks like bugzilla in qt ...	07:15
ogra	adept was the name i think	07:15
ogra	ah, k	07:15
Nytryx	now im going to install ubuntu on my desktop hehe	07:16
Nytryx	its going to be kubuntu where can i get the KDE upgrade?	07:16
mhz	ogra: command line is the very best desktop independant environment :D	07:16
ogra	mhz, nothing i'd give my mother ... or a teacher	07:16
mhz	sure	07:16
Nytryx	hehe	07:17
ogra	and since i'd like to know what our users get, i try to use the gui tools as much as i can	07:17
ogra	so i see the probs and bugs	07:17
ogra	additionally its nicer for users if you can advise them to use the right tools	07:18
Nytryx	man im scared i like my suse desktop hehe	07:18
ogra	instead of the commandline	07:18
Nytryx	but then you get the users that like the cmd line and the console	07:18
ogra	Nytryx, nobody wants to convert you, keep it :)	07:18
Nytryx	no i want more pkgs hehe	07:19
ogra	all your chioce ;)	07:19
mhz	ogra: indeed	07:19
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Nytryx	wait the pkgs on ubuntu are debian based no?	07:19
ogra	yup	07:19
mhz	ogra: yesterday night I spent about 45 minutes trying to solve something via GUI, unsuccessfully	07:19
mhz	:(	07:19
Nytryx	humm whats the address of the universe?	07:20
mhz	Nytryx: just uncomment	07:20
Nytryx	no no i want to see if i can add that to my yast sources hehe	07:20
mhz	hahahaha	07:20
ogra	that is unlikely to work	07:20
Nytryx	why?	07:21
mhz	yup	07:21
ogra	because suzse uses rpm	07:21
Nytryx	ive added deb sources to my suse before	07:21
Nytryx	or use alien to convem th	07:21
Nytryx	them or just stick to compiling hehe	07:21
mhz	Nytryx: I have heard of both good and bad expreinces	07:21
Nytryx	its fun though	07:21
mhz	and yes, please do proceed to add them, WE would like such feedback	07:22
Nytryx	not something i woud try on my lappy	07:22
ogra	deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ breezy universe	07:22
mhz	Nytryx: all repos addresses are listed there in your sources.list	07:22
Nytryx	thanks	07:22
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Lord_Athur	hi	07:35
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Nytryx	hi	07:37
Nytryx	ok well bbl	07:38
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Nytryx	ok i ment id be right back hehe	07:39
mhz	heheh	07:42
enyc	moop	07:44
enyc	meep	07:45
Nytryx	boo!	07:46
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TOZII	I installed Edubuntu last night on a demo machine while drunk, and	08:03
TOZII	I need to know the default login and password.	08:03
Nytryx	hehe this is going to be fun	08:03
TOZII	lol	08:03
Nytryx	you had to set one hehe	08:04
TOZII	Uh-oh.	08:04
Nytryx	theres a way to reset it	08:04
ogra	boot in rescue mode	08:04
Nytryx	yeah	08:05
ogra	hit esc if you see grub while booting	08:05
TOZII	ok	08:05
ogra	if you are on the commandline do: grep 1000 /etc/passwd	08:06
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ogra	thins will give you the name of the default user	08:06
Nytryx	so glad ogra was there for that one hehe	08:06
ogra	then just type: passwd <the user name you got from the former command>	08:07
ogra	and thats it	08:07
ogra	after rboot you can log in with the username and the newly set passwd	08:07
TOZII	thnx	08:08
ogra	np :)	08:09
TOZII	I'm at GRUB. I should pick recovery mode?	08:14
ogra	yes	08:14
TOZII	It asks for the root password.	08:15
ogra	er, that shouldnt happen	08:16
ogra	except you broke it on istall already	08:16
TOZII	Maybe I should reinstall.	08:17
ogra	yup, sounds like	08:17
TOZII	Friends don't let friends install Linux drunk.	08:17
ogra	heh	08:17
ogra	the install takes max 40min, wait with the drinking until its done ;)	08:18
mhz_leaving	have you all nice weekedn in case we dont see	08:18
ogra	oh and do you install a home system ?	08:18
ogra	ciao mhz_leaving	08:18
mhz_leaving	and if we dont see each other, then we should go to the 'eye doctor' :D	08:18
ogra	TOZII, see http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuInstallNotes	08:19
mhz_leaving	ciao ogra, I'm going to a meeting abou tedubunt chielan tour :)	08:19
ogra	cool :)	08:19
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TOZII	Ok, reinstalling.	08:23
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TOZII	DOH!!!!!	09:07
TOZII	Now I remember!	09:07
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loo	hello	10:21

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