[12:04] <Tm_T> libqt4-debug - Qt 4 debugging runtime libraries :)
[12:05] <seth_k> yeah, Riddell... the Debian diff makes changes outside debian/, so I have to apply those by hand?
[12:06] <Tm_T> Riddell: thanks :)
[12:11] <Riddell> Tm_T: make some .debs for us :)
[12:11] <Tm_T> aww, ok, configure went trough, but still cant compile kdelibs4...
[12:11] <Riddell> sebas: that pyqt tutorial would make a good dot story
[12:11] <Tm_T> Riddell: from kde trunk stuff?
[12:12] <Tm_T> actually I thought to make deb from kopete as soon as we get msn protocol working =)
[12:12] <Tm_T> but without kdelibs4 I cant help getting it working
[12:13] <Riddell> Tm_T: what's wrong with msn?
[12:13] <Tm_T> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/454795
[12:14] <Tm_T> Riddell: afaik in trunk kopete it doesn't compile
[12:14] <Tm_T> Riddell: so said duncan, and asked if I can help
[12:15] <Riddell> ok
[12:15] <Tm_T> that was weeks ago, dunno if it fixed already :p
[12:18] <Riddell> seth_k: what changes?
[12:18] <Riddell> seth_k: if it's just Makefile.in stuff they can be ignored
[12:19] <seth_k> Riddell, there're also some po change stuff
[12:19] <seth_k> in the German translation
[12:20] <Riddell> seth_k: in the diff?  evil
[12:20] <Riddell> seth_k: either ignore it or turn it into a patch
[12:20] <seth_k> Riddell, that and some configure.in.in stuff... and without the configure goodies, it doesn't compile. I'll turn it into a patch :)
[12:21] <seth_k> that's why I didn't just copy debian/ dir before, b/c it changed other stuff
[12:21] <seth_k> and I hadn't done one of those before, where it wasn't either a simple uupdate -u or debian/ copy
[12:22] <allee> seth_k: what pkgs are you talking about?
[12:23] <seth_k> allee, this is Krusader 1.60.0-3 from Debian
[12:23] <allee> are the makefile changes in a file called 98_buildprep.diff?
[12:29] <allee> seth_k: maintainer added maintainer mode to configure.in.in.  So he had to rerun make -f Makefile.cvs 
[12:30] <seth_k> allee, yeah, I saw that after my build failed complaining about maintainer mode. Should I make that change in a patch?
[12:32] <allee> seth_k: well I prefer all changes as debian/patches/XX_describe_wnat_I_do.diff
[12:32] <seth_k> yep
[12:32] <seth_k> that was my plan, so I guess I'll go ahead and do it that way
[12:33] <allee> seth_k: do you know the create-buildprep script?
[12:34] <seth_k> allee, no
[12:34] <allee> its in alioth pkg-kde repo in scripts.
[12:34] <Flosoft> what is the command for a dist upgrade with apt?
[12:34] <allee> apt-get dist-upgrade
[12:35] <allee> seth_k: you apply it to a clean source + debian dir.  run make -f Makefile.am and places everything in debian/patches/98_buildprep.diff
[12:36] <allee> seth_k: this way you always have those hundreds of autogenerated hunk in one diff file.
[12:36] <Riddell> can't say I see much advantage in 98_buildprep.diff myself
[12:36] <Riddell> make -f Makefile.cvs, not .am
[12:37] <Riddell> or admin/Makefile.common
[12:37] <allee> Riddell: ops right.
[12:38] <Flosoft> well ... nite @ all
[12:38] <allee> Riddell: when one lsdiff of diffstat on krusader diff the advantage of build_prep.diff is obvious.
[12:41] <allee> ah, and after build_pref.diff is filtered out, interdiff is usable again too.
[12:41] <allee> nevertheless everyone has his own like/dislikes.
[12:42] <allee> nite all, seth_k wish you much success ;)
[12:45] <seth_k> okay Riddell, almost done now. I patched de.po and configure.in.in with patches in debian/patches :)
[12:45] <Riddell> awooga
[12:46] <seth_k> now I just need to make sure it makes a .pot file
[12:46] <Riddell> have you edited debian/rules for it?  (or is it cdbs?)
[12:46] <seth_k> I just added in cdbs, to do my patches
[12:46] <seth_k> so that's what I'll use
[12:47] <seth_k> but what was the part about "If you use cdbs in dapper your package should now do this automatically"
[12:47] <seth_k> I don't have to make any more changes other than just adding in cdbs?
[12:48] <Riddell> if you use the kde.mk file that'll include the rules to make the .pot
[12:48] <Riddell> otherwise you need to add them, you can just copy them
[12:48] <seth_k> preference?
[12:48] <Riddell> and you need the patch for cvs.sh
[12:48] <Riddell> if it's a KDE package I'd expect it to use kde.mk anyway
[12:49] <seth_k> ok
[12:49] <seth_k> and CVE-2005-3856 for the win
[12:53] <seth_k> Riddell, do I keep the name kubuntu_01_kdepot.diff and just put that file in debian/patches ?
[12:53] <Riddell> seth_k: yes
[12:53] <Riddell> seth_k: assuming it applies, there's lots of different versions of cvs.sh you may have to adapt it
[12:53] <seth_k> sure
[12:54] <seth_k> and I don't see any kde.mk
[12:54] <Riddell> in /usr/share/cdbs/..
[12:54] <seth_k> right, but it's not included in debian.rules, that means I should include it?
[12:54] <seth_k> *debian/rules
[12:56] <Riddell> could do, we don't want to deviate too much from debian but then we already have with this package so may as well
[12:56] <seth_k> ok
[12:56] <Riddell> and e-mail the debian maintainer, politely tell him how to package properly :)
[01:01] <seth_k> haha, will do
[01:02] <seth_k> okay, I ended up applying the cvs.sh changes by hand into a new patch, because the admin/ directory was a bit older than your patch's version
[01:02] <Riddell> not too surprising
[01:21] <seth_k> All right, now only one more thing. I need to make -f Makefile.cvs, how do I do that without dirtying my pristine source
[01:21] <Riddell> my way would be to dirty the pristine source, allee's way would be to take a copy, make -f Makefile.cvs and diff -urN the two and put that in 98_buildprep.diff
[01:22] <seth_k> how about using cdbs-edit-patch, won't that watch the difference for me and make a diff?
[01:22] <Riddell> should do yes
[01:22] <seth_k> ok :)
[01:25] <seth_k> I'm totally a fan of pristine source, but is that just overkill in your opinion? It *is* going to increase the ubuntu1 diff size considerably
[01:26] <Riddell> not really any way around that
[01:29] <raphink> Riddell: did you have the time to look at some of my packages?
[01:44] <Knowerrors> Hey all, Im stuck on a modem connection and just spent alot of time upgrading to kde 3.5 to have it not work proper on some things... can I use the K 5.10 cd to downgrade?
[01:45] <Riddell> yes
[01:46] <Knowerrors> how would I do that?
[01:47] <Riddell> remove libqt3-mt
[01:47] <Riddell> remove kubuntu.org from sources.list
[01:47] <Riddell> put in CD, apt-cdrom it, install kubuntu-desktop
[01:50] <Knowerrors> Im not sure it will solve my issues though, so I got on here as a last ditch to try to fix things manually
[01:51] <Knowerrors> Riddel: prob#1- going to system settings, I am unable to change settings for gtk-looknfeel, and storage media notifications...
[01:52] <Knowerrors> Riddel: prob#2- kde mounts things in system:/media, but I can't browse files there, I must go to /media/ to browse them
[02:01] <Riddell> I can't recreate either problem
[02:03] <raphink> Knowerrors: fresh install?
[02:03] <raphink> gone :(
[02:03] <raphink> Riddell: did you have the time to look at some of my packages?
[02:03] <Riddell> raphink: doing now
[02:03] <raphink> Riddell: thanks :)
[02:04] <raphink> wb Knowerrors 
[02:04] <raphink> Knowerrors: what is your install history?
[02:04] <raphink> is it fresh?
[02:04] <Knowerrors> Ive had this install running for about 4 months or so
[02:04] <Knowerrors> I started with kubuntu 5.10
[02:05] <raphink> hmm
[02:05] <raphink> kubuntu 5.10 was released less than 4 months ago
[02:05] <raphink> as stable I mean
[02:05] <raphink> ;)
[02:05] <raphink> it's the last stable version, released in october
[02:05] <raphink> (as the 10 indicates)
[02:06] <Knowerrors> hmm, it feels like longer ;)
[02:06] <raphink> haha
[02:06] <raphink> so you basically didn't dist-upgrade it
[02:06] <Knowerrors> correctamundo
[02:06] <raphink> or had it through big upgrades
[02:07] <Riddell> raphink: kyamo fails to compile
[02:07] <Riddell> make[3] : *** No rule to make target `kyamo.pot', needed by `all-am'.  Stop.
[02:07] <raphink> really?
[02:07] <raphink> :(
[02:07] <raphink> insteresting
[02:07] <raphink> I'll have a look at it
[02:07] <raphink> it's rc3 right Riddell ?
[02:08] <Riddell> yes
[02:08] <Riddell> from revu
[02:08] <Knowerrors> when I first did my install, I enabled root for a couple days cause I was used to regular Debian and missed root, then someone told me that was bad and I turned it off
[02:08] <raphink> weird
[02:08] <raphink> I'll check it
[02:09] <raphink> I'll try it in my pbuilder
[02:09] <Knowerrors> ever since then, I had problems with the kcontrol not keeping certain settings, unless I ran it as sudo kcontrol from cli
[02:09] <raphink> I'm pretty sure I had tried it in a pbuilder before uploading it though
[02:09] <raphink> Knowerrors: put root again and don't use it
[02:10] <raphink> never know if that helps ;)
[02:10] <Knowerrors> hehe, yeah tried that already :(
[02:10] <raphink> doesn't work?
[02:12] <raphink> let's see... pbuilder updated
[02:12] <Riddell> raphink: where is the postinstall file from in kubuntu-grub-splash?
[02:12] <Riddell> raphink: and are all the files definatly GPL?
[02:13] <raphink> the files are GPL (checked on kde-apps.org)
[02:13] <raphink> and the postinst is in debian/
[02:13] <raphink> was last time I checked ;)
[02:13] <raphink> at least
[02:13] <raphink> argh my internet is sloooooooooow
[02:14] <raphink> getting crazy with it
[02:14] <seth_k> blast it Riddell, this package is on crack :)
[02:14] <seth_k> /tmp/buildd/krusader-1.60.1/./krusader/DiskUsage/radialMap/widget.cpp:12:20: error: Config.h: No such file or directory
[02:14] <seth_k> /tmp/buildd/krusader-1.60.1/./krusader/DiskUsage/radialMap/widget.cpp:13:19: error: debug.h: No such file or directory
[02:14] <seth_k> /tmp/buildd/krusader-1.60.1/./krusader/DiskUsage/radialMap/widget.cpp:14:22: error: fileTree.h: No such file or directory
[02:14] <seth_k> I've applied patches to let it build on gcc4 already
[02:15] <raphink> Riddell: kubuntu-grub-splashimages.postinst is the postinstall
[02:15] <raphink> I knwo using the package name is not mandatory ;)
[02:15] <Riddell> raphink: but did you write it?
[02:15] <raphink> Knowerrors: maybe you could ask in `norma' help channels 
[02:15] <raphink> Riddell: yes I did, why?
[02:15] <Knowerrors> raphink: whats 'norma' ?
[02:15] <raphink> Knowerrors: s/norma/normal/
[02:16] <raphink> Riddell: don't like it?
[02:16] <raphink> Knowerrors: here is a development channel, normal help channels such as #kubuntu might be nicer for your issue
[02:16] <Knowerrors> you mean #kubuntu?
[02:16] <raphink> imo
[02:16] <Riddell> raphink: it's just that if I'm to review this properly I should probably try and understand the script, which I don't feel like doing just now
[02:16] <Riddell> raphink: can you describe to me what it does briefly?
[02:16] <Knowerrors> right, yeah, Ive been asking there too but nobody knows
[02:17] <raphink> Riddell: sure
[02:17] <Riddell> seth_k: do you get that error with the pristine sources?
[02:17] <raphink> 1) it tests if grub was installed properly, by testing /boot/grub/device.map
[02:17] <raphink> if device.map doesn't exit, it exits the script
[02:17] <seth_k> Riddell, I tried it with pristine + patch and with dirty source
[02:17] <seth_k> Riddell, maybe it's a KDE 3.5 incompatibility? That's the only similar explanation I can find on their forums
[02:18] <Riddell> seth_k: and do you always get that error?
[02:18] <raphink> 2) if device.map exists, it guesses the grub partition using it with a dh -f to get the partition for /boot, so as to know where the splashimages are installed
[02:18] <seth_k> as in every time I try the build? yes
[02:18] <raphink> 3) it installs the the splashimage line in grub.conf from these infos
[02:18] <Riddell> seth_k: do those header files exist?
[02:18] <Knowerrors> Riddle, is there a way to just reload the default settings for all of kde 3.5 and or kubuntu?
[02:19] <raphink> Riddell: the old grub.conf is saved with a date stamp
[02:19] <raphink> and I use a safe temp file for the modifications on grub.conf
[02:19] <seth_k> Riddell, yes, all three exist
[02:20] <seth_k> Riddell, they exist in /krusader/DiskUsage/filelightParts/ though...
[02:20] <seth_k> so weird
[02:21] <seth_k> Riddell, should I put commands in rules to copy them, or to move them?
[02:23] <Riddell> raphink: seth_k patch it to #include <../foo.h>
[02:23] <Riddell> seth_k rather
[02:23] <raphink> hehe
[02:23] <Riddell> raphink: tried running make -f Makefile.cvs over it?
[02:23] <seth_k> Riddell, isn't the problem that it's looking in the wrong place, though?
[02:23] <Riddell> raphink: or removing the .pot, doing that then compiling?
[02:23] <raphink> hmm nope 
[02:23] <raphink> I'm having a look
[02:23] <raphink> I'm trying to get the source just in case
[02:23] <seth_k> Riddell, because it's apparently trying to find the header files
[02:24] <raphink> but y internet is too slow
[02:24] <raphink> right now
[02:24] <Riddell> seth_k: well it's trying to find them and doesn't know where they are so you need to fix the #include
[02:25] <Riddell> raphink: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1027 konq-encrypt-menu approved with comments
[02:25] <raphink> thanks 
[02:25] <Riddell> I'm off to bed
[02:25] <seth_k> night Riddell, thanks a lot... I hope to have a fixed krusader on REVU to greet you in the morn :)
[02:25] <raphink> Riddell: well if I change compat you'll have to advocate again ;)
[02:25] <raphink> no?
[02:26] <raphink> I have to fix kyamo tonight aswell :)
[02:26] <Riddell> raphink: it's not requited in my rule book, but it's not hard for me to tick a box again
[02:26] <raphink> just checked rc2 would build fine
[02:26] <raphink> so I have to to find what's wrong with rc3
[02:26] <raphink> Riddell: ok :)
[02:27] <raphink> rc3 builds fine from source
[02:27] <raphink> so theres something there ;)
[02:27] <raphink> that I have to find 
[05:13] <seth_k> ahhhhhhhh
[05:13] <seth_k> i swear this compile is on crack, it's asking for files that don't even exist
[08:01] <viviersf> Riddell : PING
[09:24] <sebas> Riddell: (re: pyqt tutorial dot story) Please go ahead :) I wasn't sure myself wether to submit it or not.
[09:24] <sebas> Ok, checked the dot now :>
[10:11] <Flosoft> hey @ all
[11:23] <jpatrick> raphink: ping
[11:27] <raphink> yop jpatrick 
[11:28] <jpatrick> raphink: thanks for the review
[11:28] <jpatrick> I've uploaded a updated package now : http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1092
[11:28] <raphink> pfiew just woke up :s
[11:29] <jpatrick> :) like me
[11:30] <raphink> lol
[11:34] <raphink> jpatrick: you can add a newline between the long description and the homepage in debian/control. this line should only contain a space and a dot.
[11:36] <jpatrick> done
[11:36] <raphink> jpatrick: this is a small detail, but you don't have to cut lines @ 60 characters or so in the descriptions. It's 80 chars max
[11:36] <raphink> so the long description can fit on 3 lines
[11:37] <raphink> when you're in a 80 chars wide console, you like to have as few lines as possible in your output ;)
[11:37] <jpatrick> long des. = 2 lines ?
[11:38] <raphink> well if you put them on 80 cols yes
[11:38] <jpatrick> that's done too
[11:38] <jpatrick> :)
[11:38] <raphink> good :)
[11:39] <jpatrick> that should do it?
[11:40] <raphink> you'll have to explain me about the .pot file, since I'm getting crazy on packaging kyamo 0.13rc3
[11:40] <raphink> it says there's no rule to build a pot file
[11:40] <jpatrick> I'm just doing what it says on KubuntuPackagingGuide :/
[11:40] <raphink> oh good I'll hav a look thanks :)
[11:42] <raphink> jpatrick: just the last point : how about the desktop file?
[11:42] <raphink> oh ic it in misc
[11:42] <raphink> doh
[11:42] <raphink> forget about it :(
[11:43] <raphink> hehe
[11:43] <jpatrick> raphink: yeah I forgot to tell you that..
[11:43] <raphink> that's ok
[11:43] <jpatrick> reuploading src package
[11:43] <jpatrick> finished :)
[11:44] <raphink> good
[11:44] <raphink> I'll build it and put a comment ;)
[11:45] <jpatrick> raphink: thanks :)
[11:48] <jpatrick> shouldn't it build-dep on debhelper ?
[11:49] <raphink> jpatrick: 
[11:49] <raphink> dh_testdir
[11:49] <raphink> make: dh_testdir: Command not found
[11:49] <raphink> make: *** [clean]  Error 127
[11:49] <raphink> pbuilder: Failed autobuilding of package
[11:49] <raphink> doesn't build
[11:49] <jpatrick> :?
[11:49] <raphink> so yes you need debhelper in the build-dep
[11:49] <raphink> I'll bb
[11:50] <raphink> add debhelper to the build dep and try to build it in a pbuilder
[11:50] <raphink> I'll at it after that
[11:53] <jpatrick> raphink: reuploaded
[11:53] <jpatrick> brb
[12:01] <raphink> jpat|away: debhelper (<<4.1) please
[12:06] <raphink> jpat|away: sorry debhelper (>>4.1) hehe
[12:06] <raphink> gna
[12:12] <jpatrick> raphink: done
[12:29] <raphink> jpatrick: looks fine :)
[12:30] <raphink> ask a MOTU to advocate it
[12:30] <jpatrick> Riddell: ping
[12:30] <raphink> hehe
[12:31] <raphink> Riddell: I changed compat in kubuntu-grub-splashimages. Should I change the debhelper version in build-dep too?
[01:19] <Riddell> jpatrick: hi
[01:22] <jpatrick> Riddell: could you look at http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1095 , please ?
[01:26] <Flosoft> Riddell: did you add the beta download?
[01:45] <allee> jpat|away: ping
[01:53] <freeflying> Riddell:  hi
[01:53] <freeflying> Riddell:  I've reloaded skim to revu today, plz have a look
[02:29] <jpatrick> allee: i'm here
[02:29] <allee> ah, hi
[02:30] <allee> jpatrick: Great to see people workong on KubuntuPackaging!
[02:31] <allee> but I think the copyright section is more than simplified
[02:32] <allee> e.g., every copyright notice if source, translation and docs need to be listed and even in simple pkgs there are more than 1
[02:33] <allee> copyright contain copyrights and distribution licenses and beside standard (L)GPL, artistic etc one has to include the complete text, eg. GDFL that is usually used in handbooks
[02:33] <jpatrick> yes...
[02:34] <allee> do you plan to add these 'important' details?  Or should I add them.
[02:35] <allee> I don't want step on your feet ;)
[02:35] <jpatrick> Maybe you should
[02:35] <allee> 'k I see if I find some time this weekend.
[02:36] <allee> btw. you used compat 5 in filelight so debhelper has to be >> 5 ;)
[02:38] <jpatrick> ah yes
[02:40] <jpatrick> reuploaded to REVU
[02:43] <allee> and version 1.0beta6 is bigger than 1.0 :(  So maybe 1.0final but what if there's an rc1? So maybe 1.0+beta6 and later 1.0.0
[02:45] <allee> why did you remove debian/menu?  It should be included for the people using purists desktop env ;)
[02:47] <jpatrick> so it should be filelight-1.0+beta6 ?
[02:48] <allee> no manpage and, can't check right now, I think the docs are installed into the wrong dir
[02:49] <allee> yes. but then, if you want to avoid epochs, you have to use 1.0.0 even when upstream calls it 1.0 ;)
[02:50] <allee> other use 0.9.9+1.0beta6 then 1.0.
[02:50] <jpatrick> okay
[02:51] <allee> jpatrick: your friend is: dpkg --compare-versions oldvers lt nextvers && echo okay   
[02:54] <jpatrick> ?
[02:55] <allee> dpkg --compare-versions 1.0beta6 lt 1.0  && echo okay    --> outputs nothing :(
[02:56] <jpatrick> :(
[02:56] <allee> dpkg --compare-versions 1.0beta6 lt 1.0.0 && echo okay  --> print okay
[03:00] <allee> need a pbuilder test but I bet autoconf and automake 1.9 are no build-deps.
[03:09] <allee> jpatrick: grep -Ri copyright src doc po misc | grep -v Makefile    # You missed at least Micheal
[03:10] <allee> licensecheck tool does not help much too. Max does not use the standard blurbs :(
[03:28] <jpatrick> allee: uploaded changes
[03:33] <allee> jpatrick: sorry busy right now
[03:35] <raphink> ok I'm pretty sure this is a pb with cdbs or so
[03:37] <allee> raphink: ?
[03:41] <raphink> allee: look in #ubuntu-motu
[03:41] <allee> 'k
[03:41] <raphink> oh no you're not there
[03:41] <raphink> well then
[03:41] <raphink> http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/455459
[03:41] <raphink> there allee ^^
[03:42] <raphink> a package of mine fails to build
[03:42] <raphink> it built ok before
[03:42] <allee> now i'm in ;)
[03:42] <raphink> now it doesn't anymore
[03:42] <raphink> ./configure && make works fine
[03:42] <raphink> but if I run dpkg-buildpackage I get this error, and after that `./configure && make' doesn't work anymore
[03:46] <allee> strange.  interdiff off first and the second run.  po/de not writeable?
[04:24] <seth_k|away> morning Riddell 
[04:25] <Riddell> bah humbug
[04:25] <seth_k> I fixed a ton of the krusader errors, but now it is saying "file not found" on a file that doesn't even exist in the source tree
[04:25] <Riddell> that's not nice of it
[04:25] <seth_k> nope
[04:26] <seth_k> it asks for actionpropertybase.h
[04:26] <seth_k> but the only file similar is actionpropertybase.cpp
[04:26] <Riddell> upload to revu and I'll try and take a look at it sometime this decade
[04:26] <seth_k> hehe, alright
[04:27] <Riddell> waa!  that's never enough time to sort out all these problems in xpdf!
[04:29] <freeflying_> Riddell: hi
[04:30] <Riddell> hi freeflying_ 
[04:30] <freeflying_> Riddell:  have you got my message here
[04:30] <Riddell> I'll look at skim too in a bit, thanks for keeping working on it, we'll get there soon :)
[04:32] <freeflying_> Riddell:  how can we get all articles of wiki.kubuntu.org
[04:32] <seth_k> uploaded Riddell, I hope xpdf doesn't eat you first
[04:33] <sebas> Riddell: Wasn't that fixed with the new freetype? (Or are you referrring to all those overflows in there? :D)
[04:33] <jpatrick> wow!
[04:33] <jpatrick> nice design
[04:35] <Riddell> freeflying_: not too sure I'm afraid, you probably need to ask henrik  henrik@ubuntu.com
[04:36] <freeflying_> Riddell: thx
[07:29] <Flosoft> how is the support of webcams in Kubuntu?
[07:30] <Riddell> no idea
[07:31] <Flosoft> hmm
[07:35] <Flosoft> what about adding the new kvirc package?
[07:35] <Flosoft> the version in Synaptic: 2.1.3.1 ... current: 3.2.0
[07:36] <jpatrick> Flosoft: Dapper verison == 3.2.0
[07:36] <Flosoft> nice :)
[07:37] <Flosoft> does dapper work with KDE 3.5?
[07:37] <jpatrick> Flosoft: Dapper has 3.5
[07:37] <Flosoft> ok
[07:37] <jpatrick> http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=kvirc&searchon=names&subword=1&version=dapper&release=all
[07:37] <Flosoft> what is the difference if I change my sources from breezy to dapper?
[07:37] <jpatrick> Flosoft: new kernel, new Xorg, new KDE
[07:38] <Flosoft> ok
[07:38] <Flosoft> so I could delete the kde extra source i have for 3.5 @ the moment?
[07:38] <jpatrick> you can keep it...
[07:40] <jpatrick> I'm not on Dapper, becuase modprobe kept segmentfaulting here
[07:40] <Flosoft> ow ... well ... i'll wait a bit too :p
[07:40] <Flosoft> i'm quite happy with breezy
[07:40] <jpatrick> I'll go back when Flight-2's out
[07:40] <Flosoft> my only software that is missing is kvirc
[07:40] <Flosoft> can't it be added to breezy?
[07:41] <jpatrick> Flosoft: Backports
[07:42] <Flosoft> yes 
[07:42] <jpatrick> it will probably end up there
[07:42] <Flosoft> will it be backported?
[07:43] <jpatrick> might
[07:43] <Flosoft> :)
[07:43] <jpatrick> my ksplash-engine-moodin package did
[07:43] <jpatrick> :)
[07:54] <Flosoft> what is the programm that loads the boot logo?
[07:54] <Flosoft> it isn't splash
[07:55] <jpatrick> Flosoft: usplash
[07:55] <Flosoft> ok
[07:58] <Flosoft> will there be a new bootsplash with dapper?
[08:00] <jjesse> one that is a little brighter hopefully
[08:00] <Flosoft> yes
[08:00] <Flosoft> well like the login screen background
[08:03] <Flosoft> and how do you see the console while booting?
[08:03] <Flosoft> F2 doesn't work
[08:04] <Flosoft> ESC neither
[08:05] <jjesse> Flosoft: no clue 
[08:22] <Tm_T> humm
[08:22] <Tm_T> I don't use usplash
[08:23] <Tm_T> but yes, dapper will have usplash themes too
[08:25] <Flosoft> :)
[08:26] <Tm_T> we planned to do similar look from boot to Gnome desktop
[08:26] <Tm_T> prolly same to Kubuntu side