[12:04] <angasule> I can't record anything with my microphone (it does work, though), if I mute/unmute from the mixer I get proper feedback in my headphones, but programs don't seem to get any input
[12:06] <Firetech> apachelogger: you and heineken...
[12:06] <Firetech> is kubuntu somewhat nearer your perfect "blue linux" distro?
[12:07] <apachelogger> Firetech: not yet, but I'll work on ;-)
[12:07] <Firetech> :P
[12:07] <Firetech> goodnight everyone...
[12:07] <Hobbsee> night Firetech
[12:07] <apachelogger> kood nikht
[12:15] <nrdb> Hi I am trying to get the DVD player working again!  It worked once last night but isn't working this morning. See http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/454798 for error details.
[12:16] <apachelogger> the dvd player = ?
[12:16] <apachelogger> FATAL[ogle_audio] : failed opening the oss audio driver at /dev/dsp
[12:16] <nrdb> apachelogger: okle
[12:16] <apachelogger> your player must suck
[12:16] <apachelogger> start with -> aoss okle
[12:17] <apachelogger> or shutdown every other sound application before starting okle
[12:17] <nrdb> apachelogger: I figgered it is something to with sound but KDE sound is working so is aplay.
[12:17] <nrdb> apachelogger: 'aoss okle' = command not found.
[12:19] <apachelogger> ah you have to install the oss wrapper for alsa
[12:19] <apachelogger> nrdb: I really think it's easier to just use an alsa player with libdvdcss
[12:20] <apachelogger> like xine/codeine/kaffeine
[12:21] <nrdb> apachelogger: there is a but with kaffeine it just uses all cpu power and slowly uses all RAM.
[12:22] <apachelogger> O.o
[12:22] <apachelogger> oho
[12:22] <apachelogger> that's TOTALLY strange
[12:22] <apachelogger> nrdb: also happens when using the default xine interface?
[12:23] <nrdb> apachelogger: xine isn't installed.
[12:23] <apachelogger> oh
[12:23] <apachelogger> nrdb: gst sux
[12:23] <apachelogger> install the kaffeine-xine engine
[12:24] <nrdb> apachelogger: ok
[12:24] <apachelogger> deb ftp://cipherfunk.org/pub/packages/ubuntu breezy main
[12:25] <apachelogger> nrdb: this repo provides libdvdcss0 ... after installing this you should be able to play dvds with xine/codeine/kaffeine
[12:26] <sampan> heh, i have a kaffeine bug too actually ... whenever i click a vid file in konq and kaffeine runs, the process continues after i quit kaffeine -- i have to manuall kill it at cli
[12:26] <sampan> s/manuall/manually
[12:26] <apachelogger> sampan: also using the gstreamer engine?
[12:27] <sampan> no, i'm using kaffeine-xine
[12:27] <apachelogger> uhh
[12:27] <apachelogger> evil bug
[12:27] <sampan> yeah -- it's kinda weird ... i don't watch that many vids on the pc, so it's not a huge problem, but kinda weird still
[12:28] <nrdb> apachelogger: I installed 'kaffeine-xine' nothing has changed 100% cpu and slowly consumes all RAM.
[12:28] <sampan> it doesn't happen if i launch kaffeine and then open the file from within the app itself, so i suspect it must be something with konq opening it
[12:28] <apachelogger> nrdb: you're on breezy?
[12:29] <nrdb> apachelogger: yes KDE 3.5
[12:29] <apachelogger> hm
[12:29] <apachelogger> dma is active?
[12:29] <nrdb> apachelogger: how do I check?
[12:29] <apachelogger> kaffeine's first-start-thing
[12:30] <apachelogger> start with -> kaffeine -w
[12:30] <nrdb> apachelogger: when I start kaffeine there is no meation of DMA
[12:32] <jeda> how do I find out what version of kde I am running (breezy 5.10) kubuntu
[12:32] <apachelogger> nrdb: kaffeine -w
[12:32] <Insom-> jeda: help -> about kde in most apps
[12:32] <sampan> jeda, one way: kmenu --> help --> help tab --> about KDE
[12:32] <apachelogger> jeda: kde-config --version
[12:32] <nrdb> jeda: start an app and look in the help->kde
[12:33] <nrdb> apachelogger: dma is off.
[12:33] <apachelogger> nrdb: better activate it
[12:34] <jeda> apachelogger: Thanks was wanting cli way
[12:34] <apachelogger> :)
[12:34] <apachelogger> nrdb: if this doesn't help it something with your drivers ... btw you have to tell kaffeine to use the xine engine
[12:34] <apachelogger> gonna reboot
[12:35] <PsySine> what is the problem when gam_server leaks a lot of memory?
[12:36] <nrdb> apachelogger: it didn't help, how do you tell kaffeine to use the xine engine?
[12:37] <sampan> nrdb, in kaffeine: settings --> player engine ... and choose xine
[12:37] <sampan> or rather, just "kaffeine" (as opposed to kaffeine-gstreamer)
[12:39] <nrdb> sampan: the only choices are "kaffeine" and "kaffeine GStreamer"
[12:39] <sampan> yeah, since you installed "kaffeine-xine" the one you want is just "kaffeine"
[12:41] <eriksti> aren't there any good network admin tools in kubuntu like it is in ubuntu?
[12:41] <Insom-> on the topic of playing videos.. are there any usable realmedia codecs without installing the official client?
[12:42] <PsySine> Insom-: get the debian w32codecs package
[12:42] <Insom-> already have those but both kaffeine and vlc still refuse to play my southpark episodes
[12:43] <nrdb> sampan: that seems to be working, its using a lot of CPU though and skipping a lot of frames.
[12:43] <nalioth> ubotu: tell Insom- about w32codecs
[12:43] <Insom-> nalioth: i've already installed those
[12:44] <Insom-> any configuration needed to get them to play?
[12:44] <nrdb> ubotu: tell me about sound
[12:50] <dissed> anyone who could help me, got a slight problem, i think i messed around with the repositories a bit to much, and when i rebooted i got ubuntu, instead of kubuntu :
[12:50] <dissed> can i go back?
[12:51] <nalioth> dissed: it's just a splash screen
[12:51] <sampan> yes, at the boot screen, you should be able to choose your "session" as KDE, instead of gnome -- you probably just didn't make kde the default (assuming you installed kubuntu-desktop on top of a gnome ubuntu)
[12:51] <dissed> nope, i got gnome aswell
[12:52] <nrdb> dissed: do you have the kubuntu livecd?
[12:52] <dissed> yes
[12:53] <fasteagle> lol
[12:53] <nrdb> dissed: I would expect it to have a default file on it try booting from the livecd and copy it over to the HD
[12:53] <dissed> ok, thanks
[12:53] <dissed> :D
[12:53] <nalioth> dissed: when you log in, click on "sessions" and choose kde
[12:53] <dissed> ok
[12:53] <sampan> dissed, just ... yeah, what nalioth said
[12:53] <nalioth> nrdb: the liveCD will not install
[12:54] <nrdb> dissed: I known that, I was sugesting trying to copy just the '/etc/apt/sources.list' file off it.
[12:55] <dissed> worked, thanks again
[12:55] <nalioth> nrdb: we have all that info in the bot here, no need to jump through hoops
[01:05] <Bizzeh> hey, how do i set up kubuntu on a 2nd partition, so it DOESNT kill the windows boot loader in the mbr
[01:05] <neoncode> Hey I just installed the windows version of firefox useing WINE and it carn't connect to any websites.
[01:05] <Bizzeh> use linux firefox
[01:06] <neoncode> Bizzeh: I do but flash player is crappy in it and there's no shockwave
[01:07] <Bizzeh> neoncode: they are just as crap in the windows one
[01:07] <Bizzeh> its xpi that sucks
[01:08] <neoncode> Bizzeh: Yea, but their's flash player 8 for windows and not for linux and like i said, Shockwave.
[01:09] <Bizzeh> neoncode: it has 8, but its really unstable
[01:09] <neoncode> Bizzeh: See? That's why I might as well use the windows version runing on WINE.
[01:10] <neoncode> So, why won't it connect to anywere?
[01:14] <Bizzeh> it doesnt like wine?
[01:15] <Bizzeh> it uses stupid undocumented api to "prove a point"
[01:15] <Bizzeh> stuff that is undocumented for a reason
[01:20] <slow-motion> n8
[01:44] <Knowerrors> Hey all, Im stuck on a modem connection and just spent alot of time upgrading to kde 3.5 to have it not work proper on some things... can I use the K 5.10 cd to downgrade?
[01:45] <PokerFacePenguin> where does the info get read from when you click on the "system button"?  it says /media, but the stuff in there doesnt display
[01:45] <apachelogger> Knowerrors: sure
[01:46] <apachelogger> just remove or comment-out the kde 3.5 in the sources.list
[01:47] <Sgep> How do I prevent /etc/resolv.conf from resetting itself?
[01:47] <Knowerrors> apachelogger: Id need to comment out everything to use the cd right?
[01:47] <PokerFacePenguin> system button >> storage media shows the /media directory but nothing that is actually in that directory displays...why?
[01:48] <apachelogger> Knowerrors: nope just every repo which provides KDE packages
[01:48] <apachelogger> so probably only the one you used for installing 3.5
[01:49] <dennis_p> yeah kicker bombs on log out and I cannot switch back touser with multiple KDE user accounts in KDE 3.5
[01:52] <dennis_p> so deactivate KDE35 repositories in adept, apply below and update at top of window. And then? Full upgrade does a downgrade?
[01:54] <Knowerrors> hehe, dennis_p so youre gonna downgrade too eh?  I prob wait til 3.5.2 or so to try it again... unless I can fix things in half an hour
[01:54] <Knowerrors> I have a bad feeling things will still be screwed, and I'll have to reinstall from base
[01:56] <poimen> what is the problem with 3.5?
[01:56] <dennis_p> Yeah, downgrade and see if that helps, mythtv and hauppauge remote work great btw
[01:56] <poimen> mine works nice
[01:57] <dennis_p> KDE 3.5 seems not fully optimized for kubuntu yet, maybe it's not even 3.5 I'll see after the downgrade
[01:57] <Knowerrors> poimen: , kde mounts things in system:/media, but I can't browse files there, I must go to /media/ to browse them
[01:58] <poimen> ohh
[01:59] <poimen> I never use that lol I make shortcuts to all devices using the real link :)
[01:59] <Knowerrors> for example, I plug in a usb drive, kde pops up asking what to do, I select open in new window, it opens konq to system:/media to mount, but still says unmounted, then I click on it again, and its says its already mounted
[01:59] <poimen> or /media/media-hd   or /media/sda7
[01:59] <poimen> lol
[01:59] <Knowerrors> "/media/sda1"
[02:00] <poimen> well my kubuntu does not have usb or sd card reader support :(
[02:00] <Knowerrors> heh, did you see that poimen? I hate forgeting to not start a line with /
[02:00] <Knowerrors> hmm, have problems with cds too though
[02:01] <poimen> :D
[02:01] <poimen> Mandriva works better with my hardware but I like more the apt package maneger :)
[02:01] <dennis_p> So adept does it not downgrade? Have to type somthing in terminal? like "apt-get dist-downgrade" or something?
[02:03] <poimen> dennis_p I dont kwon :(
[02:04] <poimen> lol
[02:04] <poimen> kanotiz is not a live cd?
[02:04] <poimen> btw I use x86_64
[02:05] <dennis_p> yeah live cd which installs full debian to harddisk if you want and supports x86_64
[02:05] <dennis_p> But most support is in German of course
[02:06] <poimen> :(
[02:06] <poimen> I speak english and spanish only
[02:08] <chope> hi, after installing the latest nvidia drivers and rebooting, I get this message "the nvidia kernel module is version 1.0.7667, but this x module is version 1.0.8174... failed to initialize the nvidia kernel module!", should i get the 1.0.7667 drivers?
[02:09] <dennis_p> english can do but never mention (k)ubuntu, he was first with a debian made easy, try it and come back for kubuntu dapper and see if your hardware support has improved.
[02:09] <Stele> there are newer drivers I think that should remove the old ones for you
[02:10] <poimen> dennis_p I dont kwon i am lazzy to install again lol
[02:12] <dennis_p> hehe if you don't realy need it don't try to fix it :-)
[02:13] <poimen> well I need it but not just right now
[02:13] <poimen> like in a weak I will and for real :(
[02:14] <poimen> I will need my usb for a printer
[02:15] <Citydog> testing
[02:16] <poimen> dennis_p  u like more kanotix?
[02:16] <poimen> why?
[02:16] <dennis_p> no I like kubuntu it has easy mythtv instructions and a way bigger english community
[02:18] <dennis_p> but true kanotix was easier to install,  maybe next kubuntu will also have a graphic install straight from live cd, they are working on it
[02:19] <Knowerrors> Is there a way to just reload the default settings for all of kde 3.5 and or kubuntu?
[02:20] <alxjvr> hello, what devt tools do i need to install so i can compile/install from source certain apps/services like apache2, mysql, etc?
[02:20] <alxjvr> of course, gcc, autoconf, what else?
[02:22] <apachelogger> alxjvr: actually everything the apps/services like apache2, mysql, etc tell you
[02:22] <apachelogger> read the README and the INSTALL and if this is not enough the build script will probably shout if something's missing
[02:22] <alxjvr> apachelogger: thanks, got a tip from #ubuntu: build-essentials
[02:24] <Insom-> almost done migrating from windows to linux :)
[02:24] <apachelogger> almost done migration from suse to kubuntu :P
[02:25] <Insom-> that's probably a lot faster
[02:26] <Insom-> had to convert 500GB of data due to missing ntfs write support
[02:26] <dennis_p> almost went to suse but then they said we have been taken over be noobs and marketing says that linux and openoffice are all the buzzwords you need. :-)
[02:28] <apachelogger> Insom-: yeah, I just had to backup 100 gigs, so quite faster :|
[02:28] <Insom-> why? couldn't you just resize partitions if needed and read them from kubuntu?
[02:29] <apachelogger> it could but I redisgned everything and I hate spreading due to partitioning
[02:30] <Insom-> what about deleting the suse system files and not making a new filesystem before installing kubuntu?
[02:31] <Insom-> i agree with you on the partitioning part though :)
[02:31] <apachelogger> losing configurations is the worse thing for a linux user
[02:31] <Insom-> tar them?
[02:32] <Insom-> i'm pondering buying a new computer and running everything from ram..
[02:33] <Insom-> throw in some prelinking and it should fly
[02:33] <Knowerrors> try Puppy linux or dsl or one of the other usb based linuxes, then it would scream
[02:34] <Knowerrors> or at least use Xubuntu instead
[02:34] <Insom-> i don't want to sacrifice usability for speed
[02:34] <apachelogger> Insom-: well I tared and bz2ed ... took about 5 hours
[02:35] <dennis_p> wait till Apple releases nand flash boot system and soon after linux will also have fast diskless boot
[02:35] <Insom-> my /bin /sbin /lib and their /usr counterparts are 1.05gb total... 2GB of ram should about do it
[02:37] <Insom-> why wait for what already can be viably done?
[02:39] <dennis_p> well usb is slow, maybe soon after people get the idea and there will be cheap pci-e nand card for fast linux boot?
[02:40] <Insom-> why? just stick in more ram
[02:42] <Insom-> loading 1gb from compressed disk images is fast as well and you'll need a hd anyway for large amounts of storage
[02:46] <dennis_p> How about emergency safe to nand at powercut and instant reboot when power comes back on without real powerbackup system?
[02:47] <Insom-> should be just as safe as a hd
[02:47] <Insom-> maybe a little safer because a disk cache might not be needed
[02:48] <dennis_p> so there you are, not possible today without a big battery system but could be cheap.
[02:49] <Insom-> i long for the day i can plug in a usb or similar stick into any pc and have my os, settings and documents loaded in a flash
[02:49] <Insom-> you can do synchronous i/o with a hd as well
[02:49] <Insom-> journaling filesystems also help a great deal
[02:51] <poningru> anybody knows a good gaming mobo for under 200
[02:51] <poningru>  ?
[02:52] <poningru> lalallalallalalaal
[02:52] <Insom-> depends on what you're looking for
[02:53] <Insom-> i'm going for a mini-itx mobo for my next sytem
[02:53] <Insom-> system*
[02:54] <nalioth> Insom-: not a micro-atx?
[02:54] <dennis_p> I would have liked a full atx mobo in a black desktop (instead of a tower) which looks ok next to stereo set
[02:55] <Insom-> nalioth: probably got those mixed up in my head
[02:55] <nalioth> Insom-: the micro-atx is the one that fits in your glove
[02:55] <Insom-> i'm looking for small, silent and full featured in my next system
[02:55] <Insom-> yeah i probably meant micro-atx
[02:55] <dennis_p> i wanted big and silent :-)
[02:56] <Insom-> i found a nice gigabyte micro-atx mobo for around $100 which i'm planning to put in a aopen h360 case (microatx case which can also has feet for use as a tower)
[02:58] <dennis_p> bought a hd silencer container, don't even need it because of Sonata's rubber HD holder system :-)
[02:58] <Insom-> 2 or 4gb of ram and i'll have portable power :)
[02:59] <Insom-> sonata isn't that big
[02:59] <Insom-> take a look at the coolermaster stacker
[03:00] <Insom-> with room for 16 hd's it makes a nice fileserver :)
[03:03] <dennis_p> what you think i run a DVD copy shop or something :-) and the steel doesn't look very livingroom friendly
[03:07] <dennis_p> Unless of course your a person who parks a moterbike next to the telly in the livingroom
[03:08] <dennis_p> mmmm, Jessica Alba
[03:08] <Stele> she's my sister
[03:09] <dennis_p> Mhm, being a nerd boyfriend with a exoskeleton suit
[03:11] <Insom-> :P
[03:11] <dennis_p> Hey, a Dutch guy is getting a exoskeleton suit. Who needs a wheelchair that can ride on two wheels, that is like so outdated now.
[03:17] <dennis_p> We also have computer controlled busses that crash into eachother without anybody being on board, I guess Beyond 2000 has arived this month.
[03:18] <Insom-> ja mooie actie was dat
[03:18] <dennis_p> :-)
[03:19] <Insom-> where in .nl are you dennis_p?
[03:20] <dennis_p> near Hoorn
[03:20] <dennis_p> too bad they suspended the bus service I wanted to ride those things
[03:21] <Insom-> with or without the crashing part?
[03:21] <dennis_p> Guess I'll have to settle for Q-parc mini busses
[03:21] <dennis_p> because of the crash
[03:22] <Insom-> i'll let other people do the testing
[03:23] <Insom-> safer that way
[03:23] <dennis_p> oh wanted to ride them safely of course. I always go to the back of the train when entering between Amsterdam and Sloterdijk. Better to be a hero then a victim.
[03:24] <Insom-> true, true
[03:27] <Knowerrors> Hey all, I currently have kde 3.5 installed, how do I reinstall all the kde from the cd easily, to downgrade?  I tried apt-cdrom and then apt-get install kubuntu-desktop, which didn't do it
[03:29] <dennis_p> Knowerrors: I don't either sorry
[03:30] <Insom-> having problems with 3.5?
[03:30] <Insom-> what isn't working on your system? i'm pondering upgrading to 3.5
[03:30] <dennis_p> Yeah, big icons mess up their name.
[03:31] <dennis_p> kicker crashes on log out
[03:31] <dennis_p> can't use multiple KDE logins
[03:31] <Insom-> hrm
[03:31] <Insom-> i'll wait for 3.5.1
[03:31] <Insom-> my 3.4.3 is mostly working
[03:32] <Insom-> kde menu is read only for some reason
[03:32] <Insom-> can't add/remove anything
[03:32] <dennis_p> But then Kubuntu maintainers do not fully support KDE 3.5 yet so maybe its just some linking errors
[03:32] <Insom-> other than that.. i'm happy with 3.4.3
[03:36] <frank23> Knowerrors: using synaptic you can downgrade packages
[03:38] <dennis_p> Yeah bt which packages, can it do a full downgrade to most up to date version in active repositories?
[03:40] <frank23> dennis_p: I don't know....  you could probably do it by hand though.
[03:40] <dennis_p> maybe the kubuntu kde beta wiki has downgrade instructions still on, I'll check that tommorow. I need some sleep now
[03:43] <jsubl2> Knowerrors,  http://wiki.kubuntu.org/DowngradeHowto?highlight=%28downgrade%29
[03:44] <dennis_p> Thanks and goodnight and keep safe on trains near Amsterdam they've also started construction of a hangover hotel, a single dropped bar will wreck half the train.
[03:51] <nowisn> hello there
[03:58] <nowisn> how do i setup my ethernet pcmcia adapter so i can connect to the internet?
[03:59] <nowisn> i have a 10/100 pc card model #pcmpc100 linksys
[04:00] <Insom-> start the cardbus service if it isn't started
[04:01] <Insom-> then configure as usual
[04:02] <Insom-> oh he left
[04:02] <Insom-> too bad for him
[04:04] <musashiden> hmmm
[04:04] <musashiden> how do i define the new codecs to kaffeine?
[04:04] <musashiden> i cant find that option anywhere :/
[04:05] <Insom-> gstreamer codecs? in that case: gst-register-0.8 (or similar)
[04:05] <musashiden> Insom-: thanks buddy
[04:06] <musashiden> oh, wait. iam still getting the same error :s
[04:06] <musashiden> There were no decoders found to handle the stream, you might need to install the corresponding plugins
[04:06] <musashiden> and i did
[04:07] <musashiden> i copied all the plugins to /usr/lib/win32
[04:07] <Insom-> take a look at the kaffeine options.. does it use the gstreamer engine?
[04:07] <Insom-> i'm not sure whether gstreamer picks up the w32codecs
[04:07] <musashiden> erm, how can i change the engine then?
[04:07] <Insom-> in the options
[04:07] <musashiden> and it is using gstreamer
[04:08] <Insom-> i don't know how to register the w32codecs
[04:08] <Insom-> if you find out let me know
[04:08] <musashiden> all i see in the options is behavior, appearance, DBV client, and misc
[04:08] <Insom-> i have several gb of south park episodes i can't watch atm
[04:09] <musashiden> none of the options have to do with the engine
[04:09] <Insom-> hmm
[04:10] <Insom-> i don't know... not using kaffeine myself
[04:10] <musashiden> :/
[04:10] <musashiden> i had it working witht he win32 plugins back in hoary
[04:10] <musashiden> with*
[04:10] <musashiden> the*
[04:10] <Insom-> time to search the forum i guess
[04:11] <musashiden> it seems they took out A LOT of options out of kaffeine
[04:11] <musashiden> i cant even change the engine
[04:11] <Insom-> maybe you need to install the kaffeine-gstreamer package
[04:12] <musashiden> kaffeine-gstreamer is already the newest version.
[04:12] <Insom-> hmm
[04:13] <Insom-> i'm out of ideas
[04:13] <jsubl2> kaffeine sux  apt-get install mozilla-mplayer
[04:14] <musashiden> jsubl2:  how about no?
[04:14] <Insom-> E: Couldn't find package mozilla-mplayer
[04:15] <jsubl2> musashiden, sorry?? don't understand  mplayer is the best imho.. did not mean to affend anyone
[04:15] <Insom-> jsubl2: where can i get the packages for mplayer?
[04:15] <jsubl2> Insom-, if you have enabled universe and multiverse they are there in the repos
[04:16] <Insom-> i've enabled those but i still can't find the packages
[04:16] <musashiden> jsubl2: well for starters, dont just blast into a conversation saying "kaffeine sux! use ~"
[04:16] <jsubl2> musashiden, ok
[04:17] <jsubl2> !sources
[04:17] <ubotu> A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 (Hoary) or http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2325 (Breezy) - Create your own sources.list at http://ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[04:17] <jsubl2> Insom-, try following the info above.. mplayer and mozilla plugin are in the repos
[04:18] <Insom-> jsubl2: i've uncommented all repos in the default sources.list and removed the cd entry
[04:18] <BlueEagle> insom-: Good, now read the links from ubotu.
[04:19] <BlueEagle> insom-: Especially the last one iirc.
[04:19] <jsubl2> thank you BlueEagle
[04:19] <Insom-> the hoary-extras?
[04:19] <sophie> !tell sophie about libcss
[04:20] <BlueEagle> jsubl2: Anytime, now when you want to recomend something say that they might want to try it also not to use it instead. Open source software is very much about choices and finding stuff you like. ;D
[04:20] <sophie> !tell sophie about dvd
[04:20] <BlueEagle>  /msg ubotu !tell sophie about sending /msg to ubotu
[04:20] <jsubl2> BlueEagle, i have already apologized for that
[04:21] <BlueEagle> jsubl2: I know. Just felt like burning you for it too. Why should musashiden have all the fun? :p
[04:22] <musashiden> lol, you scared him away
[04:23] <sophie> i need on how to watch encrypted dvds
[04:23] <sophie> is their a package for libcss on kubuntu
[04:25] <nalioth> !libdvdcss2
[04:25] <ubotu> nalioth: Bugger all, i dunno
[04:25] <nalioth> GRRRR
[04:25] <nalioth> whose been tampering with my factoids!?!
[04:25] <nalioth> !libdvdcss
[04:25] <ubotu> libdvdcss is probably NOT in ubuntu.  Those who even utter its name can expect to be shipped to Guantanamo Bay.  For filthy patent-free Europeans, try /usr/share/doc/libdvdread/examples/install-css.sh
[04:26] <nalioth> sophie: there you go
[04:27] <sophie> nalioth: thanls but not installed on my sytem
[04:27] <nalioth> sophie: yes, my factoid was removed, it had more info
[04:28] <nalioth> sophie: install libdvdplay
[04:28] <sophie> nalioth: thanks
[04:32] <sophie> nalioth: mplayer dvd is has tons of block artifact
[04:32] <sophie> nalioth: got message too many vido packets
[04:33] <nalioth> ubotu: tell sophie about dvd
[04:48] <poimen> heh I got my kubuntu running x86-64 and usb working :D
[04:48] <poimen> now I just need a kernel for my pentium D with smp
[04:48] <nowisn> can anyone in here help me
[04:49] <poimen> I think I will have to compile it my self
[04:49] <nowisn> i'm in the terminal and i'm trying to get kubuntu to see my network card
[04:49] <poimen> nowsn whats your problem?
[04:49] <nowisn> can't connect to the internet
[04:50] <nowisn> new linux user here
[04:50] <poimen> nowisn you tryed kcontrol
[04:50] <poimen> in kcontrol you have someting called network connection
[04:50] <nowisn> no where is that
[04:50] <poimen> nowisn type kcontrol in a term
[04:51] <poimen> terminal*
[04:51] <poimen> that is kde configuration tool
[04:51] <nowisn> yes okay its up
[04:51] <poimen> like control panel for windows only more usefull :D
[04:51] <nowisn> i see
[04:52] <poimen> go to network and internet
[04:52] <poimen> sorry It is called internet & network
[04:52] <poimen> then network settings
[04:52] <nowisn> yep
[04:52] <poimen> in network settings you see a network interface?
[04:53] <nowisn> yes detects eth0 but its greyed out and says disabled ethernet network device
[04:53] <poimen> ok
[04:54] <poimen> now you see above were it says Administrator mode?
[04:54] <poimen> click there and put your password
[04:54] <nowisn> at bottom yes
[04:54] <poimen> yes
[04:54] <msims> how do I change the default Xresoultion I've done so for kde
[04:54] <poimen> sorry my english sucks
[04:54] <nowisn> but wizard pops up with an error
[04:54] <msims> how ever gdm is reall tine
[04:54] <nowisn> np
[04:55] <msims> er tiny
[04:55] <nowisn> su returned with an error is what i got
[04:55] <poimen> nowish you remeber the password you put in the install?
[04:55] <nowisn> yes but i cannot get it to work
[04:56] <poimen> nowish :(
[04:56] <poimen> nowish humm
[04:56] <poimen> strange you dont have caploscks or something?
[04:56] <poimen> because that is very simple to activate
[04:56] <nowisn> no
[04:56] <poimen> ok nowish
[04:56] <poimen> do this
[04:56] <poimen> press Alt and F2
[04:57] <nalioth> !xcfg
[04:57] <ubotu> I heard xcfg is to reconfigure your xserver, open a terminal and type "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"
[04:57] <nowisn> I even installed it twice to make sure but it still won't use my password
[04:57] <nowisn> ok
[04:57] <poimen> it will show up something that says command type there kcontrol
[04:57] <nowisn> alt f2 pressed
[04:58] <nowisn> run command
[04:58] <poimen> then press the options boton that is on the bottom of the window
[04:58] <nowisn> y
[04:58] <poimen> then put a check mark were it says run as a different user
[04:58] <poimen> and leave root there
[04:58] <poimen> in password put your password
[04:59] <nowisn> yes
[04:59] <poimen> now click run
[04:59] <poimen> if kcontrol shows up u are saved
[05:00] <nowisn> needs a command before run will appear?
[05:00] <poimen> you must put kcontrol in the run command line...
[05:01] <poimen> ddone?
[05:01] <Sneaky_Bastard> heya peeps
[05:01] <poimen> :)
[05:01] <nowisn> na incorrect password
[05:02] <poimen> !!!!!!!!!!!1
[05:02] <ubotu> 1
[05:02] <poimen> what version of kubuntu you using?
[05:02] <poimen> 5.10?
[05:02] <poimen> breezy?
[05:03] <poimen> u have a strange problem with your password
[05:04] <nowisn> yeah last version
[05:04] <nowisn> just grabbed it a couple of days ago
[05:05] <nowisn> 2.6.12-9-386
[05:06] <nowisn> kde version 3.4.3
[05:06] <sophie> nalioth: thanks for the help mplayer was not working properly because dma was not enabled on the dvd drive
[05:07] <poimen> nowish
[05:07] <poimen> and how you log in?
[05:07] <poimen> with that same passworD?
[05:07] <nalioth> sophie: good! :)
[05:08] <nowisn> yes
[05:08] <poimen> ok last try
[05:08] <poimen> open konsole
[05:08] <poimen> then type
[05:08] <poimen> sudo kcontrol
[05:08] <nowisn> christopher /  nowisn1970
[05:08] <nowisn> user / pass
[05:09] <poimen> !
[05:09] <ubotu> poimen: Do they come in packets of five?
[05:09] <poimen> ubotu : hum?
[05:09] <ubotu> I haven't a clue, poimen
[05:09] <poimen> ubotu : hum?
[05:09] <nalioth> !ubotu
[05:09] <ubotu> Yep, that's me! I'm a bot alright. Read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbotuUsage to find out how to use me. Do NOT play with me in any channel.
[05:10] <poimen> nowish you are creazy! dont post you password
[05:11] <poimen> btw : you got it working with the         sudo kcontrol       ?
[05:11] <nalioth> nowisn: please change your password before we continue. use the 'passwd' command from a terminal
[05:12] <poimen> nowish please do that or nalioth will hack you
[05:12] <nowisn> doesn't matter after this i'll reinstall and start over
[05:13] <poimen> btw
[05:13] <nowisn> no critical info anyhow
[05:13] <poimen> use that [asswd command now
[05:13] <poimen> try changing the password
[05:13] <nalioth> nowisn: if you are gonna reinstall, why are we bothering with this?
[05:13] <nowisn> ok
[05:14] <poimen> and try what I torld you about kcontrol and see if you can get to configure the netowrk interface
[05:14] <nowisn> okay pass changed
[05:14] <nowisn> ok
[05:14] <poimen> cool
[05:15] <poimen> now try please to run kcontrol _>  internet & netowrok -> Netowrk Settings with Administrator Mode
[05:17] <poimen> nowish   what happened?
[05:18] <nowisn> nope
[05:18] <nowisn> error
[05:18] <nowisn> KDE su
[05:18] <nowisn> su returned with an error
[05:18] <nowisn> tryed  the alt/f2 as well with no success
[05:18] <demon71> I'm having audio problems...I have on board audio. nothing fancy but I'm not getting any audio...I would imagine I need audio drivers...sound right?
[05:19] <nowisn> pass denied
[05:19] <nalioth> it's kdesu, not kde su
[05:21] <demon71> anyone know about audio issues....I need a bit of help if possible.
[05:21] <poimen> nowish   :(
[05:21] <poimen> nowish   I dont kwon man
[05:21] <nowisn> ye
[05:22] <nowisn> thats alright either do i
[05:22] <nowisn> TY for the help though
[05:22] <poimen> nowish   Its very strange to have that problem yout password is not acepted :(
[05:22] <poimen> well lets kill sudo
[05:22] <poimen> do this
[05:22] <poimen> sudo passwd
[05:23] <poimen> and type a easy password!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[05:23] <nowisn> yeah but i get this error
[05:23] <poimen> what error?
[05:24] <nowisn> sudo: unable to lookup ubuntu via gethostbyname()
[05:24] <poimen> well
[05:24] <poimen> that is new to me
[05:24] <poimen> here were my help stops :(
[05:24] <poimen> I dont kwon what is that look like a host problem
[05:24] <poimen> I dont kwon nothing about that
[05:24] <nalioth> poimen: what are we doing?
[05:25] <poimen> he does not get his password to work
[05:25] <poimen> every thing he try to run as root it wont let him do it
[05:25] <nowisn> someone told me it might be that but i do not know how to access of configure that file
[05:25] <nalioth> if it always gives the 'hostname not found' then it's nothing to do with the pass
[05:26] <nalioth> nowisn: what does it say in your terminal when you open it? (the prompt)
[05:26] <poimen> well i dont kwon I am just tring to help because he told me passswd wont work
[05:26] <nowisn> christopher2ubuntu:~$
[05:26] <nowisn> oops
[05:27] <nowisn> christopher@ubuntu
[05:27] <nalioth> nowisn: got a pencil?
[05:27] <nowisn> yes
[05:27] <nowisn> go
[05:27] <poimen> well I am off
[05:27] <nolo> hello
[05:27] <poimen> I have to sleep sorry I was not able to help
[05:27] <nalioth> i'm gonna ask you to boot into rescue mode in a minute, and edit your /etc/hosts   file
[05:27] <poimen> God Bless you all
[05:28] <nowisn> poiman thank you fortrying , your cool man
[05:28] <nalioth> nowisn: what you're lookng for is the top line with this >>> 127.0.0.1       localhost.localdomain   localhost     ubuntu
[05:28] <Delvien> anyone try amarok 1.3.7 yet?
[05:28] <poimen> see ya nowish hope to see you again back in the channel :D
[05:28] <nalioth> nowisn: if it doesnt say "ubuntu" on the same line as 127.0.0.1 and localhost.localdomain  and localhost, then make it so
[05:29] <Flammia> good morning everyone
[05:30] <nowisn> okay
[05:30] <Delvien> anyone try amarok 1.3.7 yet?
[05:31] <troy> Delvien: nah, would have to downgrade from the svn version *sigh*
[05:32] <Delvien> troy SVN version ?
[05:32] <timothy> What package do I need to install for the /usr/include/X11 stuff?
[05:32] <troy> Delvien: development unstable version
[05:32] <nowisn> okay how do i boot intorescue mode?
[05:32] <nalioth> !xincludes
[05:32] <ubotu> When a program or configure script asks for "X includes", you should probably install the following packages: xlibs-dev   xlibs-static-dev   x-window-system-dev
[05:33] <nalioth> nowisn: when you restart your computer, at the grub prompt you'll see "rescue" mode
[05:35] <timothy> hmmm... well they arn't there.  maybe that's why I couldn't find something that looked right... I thought I have my sources.list ok.
[05:35] <nalioth> timothy: if you can't find those libs, something is very wrong
[05:35] <nowisn> recovery mode
[05:36] <nowisn> do not have a rescue mode
[05:37] <timothy> My idiot problem.  It appears I had updates, multiverse, and universe but not "base/normal/main/whatever"....
[05:37] <nalioth> recovery = rescue
[05:38] <nalioth> timothy: well, now your'e sorted
[05:38] <timothy> sorry to waste your time.
[05:38] <Flammia> anyone in here use .ogm files?
[05:38] <nalioth> never a waste
[05:38] <nowisn> okay its at a prompt
[05:39] <nowisn> root@ubuntu:~#
[05:39] <Flammia> nobody??
[05:40] <Flammia> !ogm
[05:40] <ubotu> Flammia: Are you smoking crack?
[05:40] <Flammia> !yes
[05:40] <ubotu> Yes, yes! Yes indeed. Who would have thought it, eh, flammia?
[05:40] <Flammia> !container
[05:40] <ubotu> Flammia: Bugger all, i dunno
[05:41] <nalioth> nowisn: type gedit /etc/hosts
[05:41] <nowisn> nalioth
[05:41] <nowisn> its at root@ubuntu
[05:42] <nowisn> do i reboot again
[05:42] <nalioth> nowisn: no. you are in a superuser console
[05:42] <nalioth> nowisn: type gedit /etc/hosts
[05:43] <nowisn> hmmm command not found
[05:44] <Flammia> !ogg
[05:44] <ubotu> Flammia: Are you smoking crack?
[05:44] <Flammia> erg...
[05:44] <Flammia> I want to know how to set up Totem to work with .ogm files... if it's possible
[05:44] <Flammia> if not, then what players do any fo you suggest
[05:46] <nalioth> nowisn: then type nano /etc/hosts
[05:46] <poimen> !
[05:46] <ubotu> poimen: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
[05:46] <poimen> I am trying to put somehting to compile
[05:46] <nowisn> okay
[05:46] <nalioth> Flammia: just search your apt for libogg or libtheora
[05:47] <poimen> but make is not installed
[05:47] <poimen> what I need to compile a module for the kernel?
[05:47] <nowisn> GNU nano 1.3.8    File:/etc/hosts
[05:47] <nowisn> i'm in
[05:47] <nowisn> 127.0.0.1 localhost
[05:48] <nalioth> poimen: install build-essential
[05:48] <nalioth> nowisn: on the same line space over a few spaces from "localhost" and put "ubuntu"
[05:48] <demon71> does anyone know anything about limewire... i wanna install it but not sure what to do...
[05:48] <Flammia> nalioth: thanks
[05:48] <nalioth> ubotu: tell demon71 about restricted
[05:49] <poimen> I get this error /lib/modules/2.6.12-10-amd64-generic/build: No such file or directory.  Stop
[05:49] <nowisn> ^C i press for curser?
[05:49] <Flammia> nalioth: I've already got both of those, though...
[05:50] <nowisn> oh never mind
[05:50] <nowisn> duuu
[05:50] <nowisn> wrong keyboard
[05:50] <nalioth> nowisn: no, just use your arrow keys
[05:51] <nowisn> yeah, wasn't paying attention
[05:51] <nowisn> so any amout of space between localhost
[05:51] <nowisn> i mean after it
[05:51] <nalioth> just a few spaces over
[05:52] <nowisn> ok
[05:52] <ClayG> nalioth: I think those non ubuntu repos got my other system a little messed up.  Everytime I try to apt-get anything it'sd giving me problems
[05:52] <ClayG> acting like the file I want to install is broken or missing
[05:52] <nalioth> ClayG: you've been told and told about non ubuntu repos
[05:53] <ClayG> Yes this is the same problem as the last time I was told
[05:53] <ClayG> the tovid mplayer fiasco
[05:53] <nalioth> comment out the non ubuntu repos, ClayG
[05:53] <nalioth> ClayG: compiling stuff yourself is the preferred way
[05:54] <poimen> I get this error /lib/modules/2.6.12-10-amd64-generic/build: No such file or directory.  Stop what should I install?
[05:54] <ClayG> I need to grab the default source list
[05:54] <nalioth> poimen: kernel headers, and linux source
[05:55] <poimen> kernel headers installed
[05:55] <nalioth> ubotu: tell ClayG about sources
[05:55] <nalioth> poimen: then grab linux source
[05:55] <poimen> linux sources not
[05:55] <poimen> ok
[05:55] <ClayG> thanks
[05:55] <nowisn> nalioth do i save this file and continue
[05:56] <nalioth> nowisn: yes, ctrl-o (to write) and ctrl-x (to exit)
[05:56] <nowisn> sorry don't mean to cut in
[05:56] <nalioth> nowisn: then restart your machine
[05:58] <nowisn> restarting
[06:00] <poimen> If I get my tvtuner working I will send my windows partitition to hell!
[06:02] <nowisn> okay i'm back at my password prompt , do i use the same one
[06:02] <nowisn> ?
[06:02] <nalioth> nowisn: you should be able to use sudo now
[06:02] <nalioth> nowisn: or kdesu for graphical apps
[06:05] <nowisn> Ah at the gui kubuntu username and pass propmt wizard, it now won't accept my password
[06:06] <poimen> nowish use the last passwd you made with passwd command
[06:06] <nalioth> did you use your new password?
[06:06] <poimen> remember u changed it
[06:06] <nowisn> ah yeah okay duuu
[06:06] <poimen> lol
[06:07] <nowisn> yup i did
[06:07] <nowisn> okay
[06:07] <poimen> it loaded?
[06:07] <nowisn> give me a sec and i'll give it a shot
[06:08] <nowisn> oh got another prob about sound drivers, its says no file or directory at device dev/dsp
[06:09] <nowisn> but i'll worry about that later since sound doesn't matter much
[06:10] <nalioth> ubotu: tell nowisn about sound
[06:11] <poimen>   CC [M]   /home/poimen/ivtv-0.5.1/driver/ivtv-osd.o
[06:11] <poimen> /bin/sh: gcc-3.4: command not found
[06:11] <poimen> !!!
[06:11] <ubotu> well, ! is what you add before a sentence to talk to me
[06:11] <poimen> that means I need gcc 3.4?
[06:11] <manveru> hmm
[06:11] <manveru> if you wanna compile
[06:12] <manveru> !build-essential
[06:12] <ubotu> Wish i knew, manveru
[06:12] <manveru> !build-essentials
[06:12] <ubotu> manveru: Syntax error in line 1
[06:12] <manveru> lol :)
[06:12] <poimen> I installed that
[06:12] <manveru> however, you need the package build-essentials
[06:12] <nowisn> okay how do I sign in at terminal
[06:12] <poimen> I installed the linux source and headers
[06:12] <nowisn> su
[06:12] <manveru> no, sudo -i
[06:12] <poimen> should I reboot after installing that things?
[06:13] <manveru> you want to install a kernel?
[06:13] <poimen> I want to install a module
[06:13] <nowisn> okay success
[06:13] <manveru> no reboot needed then
[06:13] <poimen> ivtv 0.5.1
[06:13] <manveru> wait a second - there was a super-easy tool for building that
[06:14] <nowisn> now my network card
[06:14] <nowisn> thanks guys you solved that prob for me
[06:14] <Knowerrors> Can anyone tell me how to use the kubutu 5.10 cd to downgrade from kde 3.5 to kde 3.4.3
[06:14] <Knowerrors> ?
[06:14] <poimen> nowish you got net connection now?
[06:15] <manveru> Knowerrors: you didn't have to upgrade... right?
[06:15] <Knowerrors> nope
[06:15] <nowisn> no i do not
[06:15] <manveru> Knowerrors: well, i fear that close to impossible... at least it's damned hard to do
[06:15] <poimen> nowish you entered kcontrol   internet and network ?
[06:16] <Knowerrors> why, can't I just use the cd as apt source manveru?
[06:16] <nowisn> still sees my nework card but greyed out
[06:16] <manveru> Knowerrors: you will have to purge you whole current kde and install the old one again - losing all your configurations and advantages kubuntu gave you
[06:16] <poimen> ok push the administrator mode
[06:16] <nowisn> yes admin mode
[06:16] <nowisn> loading
[06:17] <poimen> as soon that opens up click configure interface or something like that
[06:17] <Knowerrors> manveru: thats fine, as long as I can keep non kde programs I manually installed, as well as my kernel... I don't want to do a completely new install
[06:17] <nowisn> still loading
[06:17] <manveru> Knowerrors: well, a complete fresh install might take less time :)
[06:18] <poimen> nowish : well as soon you can use it click the interfase and then click on configure interface
[06:18] <Knowerrors> nope, too much custom stuff
[06:18] <poimen> then check the Activate when comphuter start box and  then ok
[06:18] <manveru> Knowerrors: however - haven't done that myself, so i cannot help you much on that...
[06:19] <poimen> then click the enable interface on the main window were your interface is shown
[06:19] <manveru> Knowerrors: i know the process in theory, and i will try to help you as far as i can
[06:21] <poimen> manveru you had a ivtv script or tool for the module right?
[06:21] <manveru> there is a tool for building modules and getting all stuff for it automatically
[06:22] <manveru> have to search for it, built my fuse-drivers with it
[06:26] <manveru> i think i have it
[06:26] <manveru> module-assistant - tool to make module package creation easier
[06:27] <manveru> sorry, have to go for some minutes - brb
[06:34] <nowisn> okay still cannot connect
[06:35] <nowisn> WARNING: waiting for klauncher to exit
[06:35] <nowisn> repeats three times
[06:35] <_pont> amarok isn't making any sound ?
[06:35] <nowisn> then says another instance of klauncher is running
[06:35] <nowisn> comm error with launcher
[06:36] <nowisn> exiting
[06:36] <nowisn> kio (KSycoca) ;error no data base available!
[06:37] <manveru> back
[06:38] <manveru> nowisn: ok, could you tell me what exactly you have done after installing kubuntu?
[06:38] <nalioth> nowisn: have you started any kde apps using sudo from a terminal?
[06:38] <nowisn> kamshell kdelibs ;warning could not find module 'kam_knetworkconfmodule
[06:38] <poimen> I will be bakc in sec let me reboot my system so we can get this ivtv working
[06:40] <nowisn> no its saying this in the terminal when i'm trying to use kcontrol for my network card
[06:40] <nowisn> pressed admin button in network settings
[06:40] <nowisn> and it prompted me for pass which i entered
[06:41] <nowisn> then says loading then brings me back to the main control centre page
[06:41] <manveru> hmm
[06:41] <manveru> sounds quite serious to me
[06:41] <nowisn> where it lists version, user , host and so on
[06:42] <poimen> back
[06:42] <manveru> wb poimen
[06:42] <poimen> :D
[06:42] <alxjvr> hello, how do i intall firefox 1.5 on kubuntu? adept doesn't seem to have any package for it. and the source from mozilla complains of some missing libraries
[06:42] <manveru> alxjvr: did you try to install it already? (compile or something?)
[06:42] <nalioth> alxjvr: install the missing libraries and it'll compile just fine
[06:43] <nalioth> i'm compiling it as we speak
[06:43] <alxjvr> hmmm
[06:43] <manveru> nalioth: i'm not sure if compiling is the best option
[06:43] <nowisn> did not start any apps in terminal using sudo command yet
[06:43] <poimen> manveru you could help me with the ivtv thing?
[06:43] <nalioth> manveru: what would you suggest?
[06:43] <nowisn> except sudo -i to login
[06:44] <manveru> nalioth: downloading firefox - putting it in the home-dir and wait for the repos to provide it later?
[06:44] <manveru> poimen: yeah, i'll try
[06:44] <nalioth> alxjvr: manveru has an idea for you
[06:44] <nalioth> alxjvr: it is easier with manveru's idea
[06:45] <manveru> poimen: first apt-get install module-assistant
[06:45] <alxjvr> yeah, well....
[06:45] <alxjvr> thanks
[06:46] <manveru> hey, is the firefox-final already out?
[06:46] <manveru> seems like
[06:46] <manveru> however, alxjvr you downloaded firefox?
[06:47] <alxjvr> yes i have and have extracted it
[06:47] <alxjvr> it can't find libstdc, and still apt-getting
[06:47] <manveru> alxjvr: ok, now just put this directory in a folder in your home-directory... for me that is /home/manveru/apps/firefox
[06:48] <nowisn> Oh I guess this Isn't gonna work for me either
[06:48] <nowisn> guess i'll have to go back to 98
[06:48] <manveru> nowisn: win?
[06:49] <nowisn> yeah can't connect to net at all with this lappy
[06:49] <manveru> nowisn: please wait a second and tell me what you system is
[06:49] <manveru> nowisn: pcmcia-cards or eth-on-board?
[06:50] <alxjvr> ack,now it complains about not getting the right locale for Xlib
[06:50] <manveru> alxjvr: ok, you WANT to compile it...
[06:50] <nowisn> no only modem
[06:50] <nowisn> np I'll wait
[06:50] <manveru> !xsources
[06:50] <ubotu> manveru: Not a clue
[06:50] <manveru> hmm, what was it
[06:50] <manveru> !xlibs
[06:50] <ubotu> Syntax error in line 1, manveru
[06:51] <manveru> nowisn: so a normal ppp?
[06:51] <manveru> nowisn: or pppoe?
[06:51] <nalioth> !xincludes
[06:51] <poimen> manveru finished the install of module asistant
[06:51] <ubotu> When a program or configure script asks for "X includes", you should probably install the following packages: xlibs-dev   xlibs-static-dev   x-window-system-dev
[06:52] <manveru> nalioth: ty :)
[06:53] <manveru> poimen: ok, now try using it
[06:53] <poimen> how?
[06:53] <poimen> :(
[06:53] <manveru> poimen: 'sudo module-assistant ivtv' ?
[06:53] <manveru> poimen: or no, just start it
[06:54] <manveru> poimen: you have the kernel-headers, right?
[06:54] <poimen> yea
[06:54] <manveru> poimen: ok, run it with 'sudo module-assistant'
[06:54] <poimen> ok done
[06:54] <manveru> now do a update
[06:54] <manveru> nowisn: you still there?
[06:54] <nowisn> got a linksys pcmcia card model #pcmpc100, Laptop is a P3 500 Eurocom 3420, manufactured by eurocom, older models were never really tested by them much on linux
[06:54] <nowisn> yes
[06:54] <poimen> yeah but it takes me to the sma emenu
[06:55] <manveru> sma emenu?
[06:55] <poimen> ph ok
[06:55] <poimen> I did update
[06:55] <poimen> :)
[06:55] <manveru> i guess you know how to continue
[06:55] <poimen> now prepare?
[06:55] <manveru> yeah
[06:56] <alxjvr> hey, in what package is autoconf , buildconf contained?
[06:56] <poimen> manveru when I do selct it shows me a list of modules but ivtv is not in the list :*(
[06:57] <nalioth> alxjvr: in a terminal, type "apt-cache search buildconf"
[06:57] <manveru> nowisn: searching for it... but i cannot help you much on that - you better google with me
[06:57] <alxjvr> no result
[06:58] <manveru> !info buildconf
[06:58] <nalioth> alxjvr: there are several autoconf pkgs, iirc
[06:59] <manveru> poimen: let's see
[06:59] <manveru> poimen: ok... that's bad
[06:59] <poimen> why?
[07:00] <manveru> poimen: http://ivtvdriver.org/index.php/Main_Page
[07:00] <manveru> they've got a whole wiki to help you
[07:01] <poimen> ok thankx bro
[07:01] <manveru> poimen: because my time is running out - need to work
[07:01] <poimen> now it s my time to go
[07:01] <poimen> mine to I have to sleep
[07:01] <poimen> :D
[07:01] <poimen> 2am here
[07:01] <manveru> hehe
[07:01] <poimen> God bless
[07:01] <manveru> 7am here
[07:01] <manveru> sleep well
[07:01] <poimen> see ya all tomorow
[07:01] <poimen> thankx
[07:02] <poimen> have a nice day :)
[07:12] <nowisn> not much info on my lappy available
[07:15] <nowisn> intel 82371xb INF chipset
[07:25] <freelove> i created a new user with kuser in kubuntu ..but sound does not work for the new user......but when i created a new user with ubuntu things are ok........why??
[07:27] <kkathman> were you at root when in ubuntu?
[07:27] <kkathman> check permissions I imagine
[07:29] <freelove> kkathman: no.....u know i cant login as root......i think ubuntu user admin app is better and more tuned to sudo than kuser??
[07:29] <freelove> kkathman: have u ever created a new user with kuser in kubuntu who's not sudoer?
[07:31] <Zol> hey
[07:32] <Zol> does anyone have any idea how i can mount an empty CD?
[07:32] <nalioth> freelove: you should use kdesu for any gui superuser tasks
[07:33] <freelove> nalioth: i wanted to create a non-sudo account for my bro......but the one i created with kuser...sound wont work for him.....but when i created a new user with ubuntu app sound worked!! any explanations?
[07:34] <nalioth> freelove: i'm not sure about sound in kde, have you looked at the !sound factoid?
[07:34] <nalioth> !sound
[07:34] <ubotu> sound is probably https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingSoundProblems or http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoundProblemsHoary
[07:36] <freelove> nalioth: i can hear sound....but the new user i created with kuser cant...a new user i created with ubuntu app can gear sound too...any probs with kuser i guess...
[07:40] <nalioth> freelove: i'm not familiar with kuser, why not try the terminal method  "adduser"
[07:44] <freelove> ok:(
[07:50] <lwizardl> hi
[07:50] <lwizardl> anyone use xmltv?
[07:52] <nowisn> manveru you still here
[07:52] <manveru> nowisn: yeah... but busy...
[07:52] <nowisn> np
[08:06] <viviersf> can any1 help with ltsp + kdm ?
[08:08] <nowisn> okay I got my network card enabled by going sudo kcontrol then password to root and opened kcontrol and i configured my network card and its enabled now and it grabbed an IP
[08:08] <nowisn> but it still won't open the webwithin konquor
[08:09] <nowisn> and I don't know where to insert all the isp info
[08:10] <nowisn> unless I don't have to being I'm plugged into a router/dsl modem
[08:10] <Flammia> hey everybody
[08:11] <nalioth> nowisn: can you ping your router?
[08:12] <nowisn> how do I do that
[08:12] <nowisn> ifconfig?
[08:18] <nowisn> nal give me a hint
[08:23] <nowisn> anyone still here
[08:24] <nalioth> sorry
[08:24] <nalioth> had someone at the door
[08:25] <nalioth> ifconfig
[08:25] <nowisn> np
[08:33] <nowisn> rx packets 211, tx packets 75
[08:33] <nowisn> rxbytes62KiB
[08:34] <nowisn> TX bytes 7.3 KiB
[08:35] <fatejudger> does Dapper have gstreamer 0.10 yet?
[08:36] <nalioth> !info gstreamer dapper
[08:36] <fatejudger> someone should backport gstreamer 0.10 to Breezy
[08:36] <nalioth> fatejudger: try packages.ubuntu.com, ubotu is not cooperating
[08:36] <fatejudger> ok
[08:37] <crimsun> fatejudger: seb is working on 0.10; he mentioned trying to have packages up this weekend in Dapper
[08:38] <fatejudger> crimsun: do you know whether the Kubuntu devels have any plan to backport it to Breezy?
[08:38] <fatejudger> crimsun: 0.10 has many critical fixes for many commonly used sound cards
[08:43] <nowisn> so now how do i connect with the browser?
[08:46] <nowisn> hey anyone left in here
[08:47] <nowisn> bed time guys so if anyones left I'd like to say thanks for the help
[08:48] <nowisn> nalioth TY for the big help man, night
[08:48] <nalioth> nowisn: hang on a minute
[08:48] <nowisn> oh okay
[08:48] <nalioth> nowisn: put this into your browser    "http://64.233.167.104"   no quotes necessary
[08:50] <nowisn> error occured time out on server
[08:50] <nowisn> at port 80
[08:52] <nalioth> nowisn: can your browser load your router setup routine?
[08:54] <nowisn> ah i don't know
[08:54] <nowisn> don't remember the ip for it
[08:54] <nowisn> hmmmmm
[08:54] <nalioth> what is your IP ?
[08:54] <nowisn> got it written down here somewhere
[08:55] <nalioth> try http://192.168.1.1 or 192.168.1.100
[08:55] <nalioth> blah
[08:55] <nalioth> your IP will provide clues
[08:56] <sambagirl> http://64.233.167.104/
[08:56] <sambagirl> i just do that i see google, is this correct?
[08:56] <sambagirl> or is this remote something?
[08:56] <nalioth> sambagirl: that is googles IP, yes
[08:56] <sambagirl> oh
[08:56] <sambagirl> lol
[08:56] <sambagirl> chao
[08:56] <sambagirl> i thought was something secret
[08:57] <nalioth> no, just testing nowisn's DNS on his box
[09:05] <kharloss> hi . give me 3 reasons  to change my slackware distro , and become a kubuntu user
[09:05] <nalioth> wiki.ubuntu.com
[09:06] <kharloss> some romanian kubuntu user here ?
[09:09] <nowisn> yeah i got it but now i got to dig up my login secure pass for the router
[09:25] <nowisn> nal i did connect to my router, what now
[09:25] <nowisn> ?
[09:26] <m0ns00n> Helu
[09:26] <nalioth_zZz> is your router set up properly?
[09:26] <nowisn> with my main pc yes
[09:27] <nowisn> but I haven't configured it for linux
[09:27] <nowisn> the laptop
[09:27] <nowisn> first time connecting to it
[09:27] <nalioth_zZz> nowisn: i'd like to help you further, but it's way past my bedtime
[09:28] <nowisn> no prob me to
[09:28] <nalioth_zZz> but if your machine can surf the router, i'd check the router
[09:28] <nowisn> later then and thanks man
[09:28] <m0ns00n> Anyone else sad about  KDE 3.5's state of text editors?
[09:29] <mth`MAW> Hi
[09:29] <nowisn> hey
[09:35] <m0ns00n> Right now the most powerful text editor out there is Quanta plus
[09:35] <m0ns00n> Ironic :-D
[09:35] <m0ns00n> It still introduced some old bugs in 3.5, but still it has project management that works.
[09:35] <mth`MAW> quanta aint a texteditor!
[09:36] <m0ns00n> It must suffice!
[09:36] <m0ns00n> :-)
[09:36] <m0ns00n> KDE is now a "single file" editor
[09:36] <m0ns00n> Doesn't have any project management
[09:36] <m0ns00n> The sessions don't store anything but open files it seems to me
[09:36] <m0ns00n> And has no tree view over projects/directories
[09:36] <nowisn> anyone know how to configure a router for internet connection?
[09:37] <m0ns00n> KDE---sorry KATE
[09:37] <m0ns00n> :-D
[09:37] <mth`MAW> m0ns00n: I do not get the point!
[09:37] <mth`MAW> AH!
[09:37] <mth`MAW> okay
[09:37] <m0ns00n> There
[09:37] <m0ns00n> :-D
[09:37] <m0ns00n> Anyhow
[09:37] <m0ns00n> I'm happy, it seems from bugs.kde.org that project management will be back in in a later version of KDE
[09:37] <m0ns00n> (kde 3.5.1?)
[09:38] <m0ns00n> Few people who use Kate for projects can use the KDE 3.5 version
[09:38] <JakubS> oi, dapper upgrade really fscked my initng boot scripts
[09:38] <JakubS> i wish udev devels stopped breaking stuff every release
[09:39] <crimsun> we told you not to rely on 1) stability in a development branch; 2) initng  ;)
[09:41] <JakubS> i never do as told :-)
[09:41] <JakubS> and without working suspend fast boot is important
[09:50] <guyabano> :) gudpm people, can someone here please help me install limewire
[09:57] <guyabano> :) gudpm people, can someone here please help me install limewire
[09:58] <CarstenP> hi, i want to copy some mp3s on my compact flash card.
[09:58] <CarstenP> kubunut finds my cf card troubleless, but i cant copy any files on it, because i am only allowed to read files
[10:02] <shmoolik> hello
[10:03] <shmoolik> i have a problem evry thing on KDE get open with kate ( like sh files and deb pakages )
[10:03] <shmoolik> what can i do ?
[10:04] <guyabano> hi
[10:05] <shmoolik> hello
[10:05] <guyabano> whats the command to install jave on my computer?
[10:05] <guyabano> ?
[10:05] <guyabano> someone pls help me
[10:05] <guyabano> i mean java on my computer
[10:05] <shmoolik> yeah wait a sec i will tell ya
[10:06] <shmoolik> guyabano: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats?action=show&redirect=Codecs#head-68565ae07a003332e82c9f23706638777396c249
[10:10] <guyabano> hei shmoolik
[10:10] <guyabano> Package j2re1.4 is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[10:10] <guyabano> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[10:10] <guyabano> is only available from another source
[10:10] <shmoolik> guyabano:  hello
[10:11] <guyabano> :(
[10:11] <shmoolik> then flow the help about java  JRE 5.0 Update 6
[10:12] <shmoolik> i used the  JRE 5.0 Update 6
[10:13] <Hobbsee> !javadeb
[10:13] <ubotu> I heard javadebs is Sun Java debs packaged for breezy are at http://www.giannaros.org/public/breezydebs/
[10:15] <shmoolik> i can't run sh files .... can some one help plz ?
[10:18] <Hobbsee> !sh
[10:18] <ubotu> Hobbsee: Do they come in packets of five?
[10:19] <shmoolik> yeah like firefox-bin
[10:22] <monsoonmaria> kubuntu rules.
[10:25] <guyabano> how do i install .bin file
[10:25] <guyabano> ?
[10:25] <guyabano> i wanna install jave
[10:25] <guyabano> java
[10:25] <seth_k> guyabano, don't install the bin... follow the directions here
[10:25] <seth_k> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java
[10:26] <guyabano> ok ill try
[10:26] <seth_k> I see shmoolik already linked you to the best directions link
[10:27] <shmoolik> :) i think so too
[10:27] <shmoolik> dudes can't any one help me?
[10:27] <guyabano> shmoolik i tried to follow the instructions and i download the .bin but it cant be installed
[10:28] <shmoolik> what is the err?
[10:28] <shmoolik>  i have a problem running apps ... plz help  !
[10:29] <guyabano> guyabano@guyabano:~/Desktop$ sudo chmod +x /home/guyabano/Desktop/jre-1_5_06-linux-i686.bin
[10:29] <guyabano> chmod: cannot access `/home/guyabano/Desktop/jre-1_5_06-linux-i686.bin': No such file or directory
[10:29] <shmoolik> then sudo chmod
[10:30] <shmoolik> ohhhh .... wait  a sec guyabano
[10:30] <guyabano> k
[10:30] <shmoolik> guyabano:  dude  u need to do it with out the sudo
[10:31] <shmoolik> go to the dir were u have dl the jre
[10:31] <shmoolik> and there just chmod +x jre
[10:31] <shmoolik> <press tab>
[10:31] <shmoolik> then < press enter>
[10:33] <guyabano> it showed all the files in my Desktop
[10:33] <guyabano> including the java installer
[10:34] <guyabano> what do i do?
[10:35] <shmoolik> what do u mean ?
[10:36] <shmoolik> type chmod -x jre<press tab>
[10:36] <guyabano> i did wjhat u said, chmod +x jre <press tab>
[10:37] <guyabano> when i do that, it only show my files in the table
[10:37] <shmoolik> try chmod +x jre-1_
[10:37] <shmoolik> then tab
[10:37] <guyabano> yeah it worked
[10:38] <guyabano> yeah it worked back to >>> uyabano@guyabano:~/Desktop$
[10:40] <guyabano> hey it seems to be working now
[10:40] <guyabano> im on the license thingy now
[10:41] <shmoolik> grate
[10:41] <shmoolik> i m glad i could help ya
[10:41] <guyabano> ;) im actually downloading limewire
[10:42] <shmoolik> what is  limewire?
[10:43] <guyabano> try to search in google
[10:43] <guyabano> its a downloading program
[10:44] <guyabano> i use it to download mp3s, ebooks, movies
[10:44] <guyabano> ;-* ei shmoolik, got to go
[10:44] <guyabano> thanks for the help
[10:44] <guyabano> lorena *hugs* shmoolike
[10:44] <guyabano> lorena *hugs* shmoolik
[10:44] <guyabano> bye
[10:53] <ninHer> hi all
[11:00] <kcheung> !quicktime
[11:00] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, quicktime is read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats for information on quicktime support or just install the "libquicktime1" package.
[11:05] <Citydog> !mplayer
[11:05] <ubotu> well, mplayer is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MplayerInstallHowto  For compiling, see: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=31061
[11:10] <_shmoolik> how can i del  symbolic link
[11:12] <Rayman_> rm
[11:12] <_shmoolik> thanks
[11:12] <Tallia1Kubuntu> hi there
[11:12] <Tallia1Kubuntu> if i use ssh i can login in the shell of my system as if i am there.
[11:13] <Tallia1Kubuntu> but i can't istantiate my x system...... so.... no kde.
[11:13] <Tallia1Kubuntu> isn't there a way to use it from remote?
[11:14] <Rayman_> Tallia1Kubuntu, System settings -> Sharing
[11:15] <Tallia1Kubuntu> ooo
[11:15] <Tallia1Kubuntu> and what do i need to open a x window?
[11:15] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i don't think that an ssh client under windows works right?
[11:16] <Tallia1Kubuntu> ooo
[11:16] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i see
[11:16] <Tallia1Kubuntu> that is VNC
[11:16] <Tallia1Kubuntu> that is not the same
[12:54] <someone27> hy
[01:22] <thoreauputic> wow #kubuntu is quiet today...
[01:23] <jpatrick> thoreauputic: yep :(
[01:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> must be because I'm not here ;)
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[01:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> the internets been quiet today :|
[01:31] <jpetso> wah! help! my screensavers don't show up in the screensaver control center module anymore!
[01:31] <jpetso> (Kubuntu Breezy, still on 3.4.3
[01:32] <jpetso> has anyone got an idea what could be happening here?
[01:33] <jpetso> ...of course, debug output is quiet as can be.
[01:36] <jpetso> pretty please?
[02:18] <paines> hi
[02:22] <jjesse> hi
[02:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi
[02:31] <electuZ> hi kaiser, jjesse, paines
[02:33] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi mate
[02:35] <slow-motion> hallo
[02:45] <pinucset> sth for seeing a keyboard in my monitor? ive broken finger and i cant write ok...
[02:47] <mth`MAW> there is smth. in KDE I took a look o mom polease
[02:51] <pinucset> mth`MAw thnks!
[02:51] <fenoamby> hello
[02:51] <mth`MAW> just tooks a couple of hours ;)
[02:51] <mth`MAW> hi fenoamby
[02:52] <fenoamby> i ve got a problem with my printerS
[02:52] <fenoamby> i can t print on my laserjet before make : chmod 666 /dev/lp0  in the terminal
[02:57] <mth`MAW> thats sad
[02:57] <mth`MAW> Damn pinucset I do not find it
[02:57] <mth`MAW> it was real cool!
[02:59] <djk_> !info gok
[02:59] <ubotu> gok: (GNOME Onscreen Keyboard), section gnome, is optional. Version: 1.0.5-1ubuntu4 (breezy), Packaged size: 618 kB, Installed size: 9524 kB
[03:00] <djk_> pinucset: ^^
[03:00] <mth`MAW> looks fine
[03:01] <mth`MAW> for him
[03:02] <pinucset> tahnks pple!
[03:02] <djk_> !info gtkeyboard
[03:02] <ubotu> gtkeyboard: (A highly-configurable on-screen keyboard for mouse-typing), section universe/x11, is optional. Version: 1.1.7-3 (breezy), Packaged size: 350 kB, Installed size: 1096 kB
[03:03] <pinucset> downloadinff.
[03:14] <pinucset> one think, i exe gok and...
[03:14] <pinucset> pinucset@Pinucset:~$ gok
[03:14] <pinucset> ** ERROR **: Could not locate registry
[03:14] <pinucset> aborting...
[03:14] <pinucset> Avortat
[03:14] <pinucset> pinucset@Pinucset:~$
[03:32] <jpatrick> morning
[03:32] <kkathman> good morning jpatrick :)
[03:36] <man2d> hi all
[03:40] <atidem> hello
[03:41] <atidem> how do I enable administrative commands via webinterface in cups?
[03:43] <mogi> atidem: just guessing: run it as root?
[03:44] <atidem> I finded solution
[03:44] <atidem> #adduser cupsys shadow
[03:44] <atidem> it's typical of debian based system
[03:46] <kkathman> Riddell you around
[03:46] <kkathman> he's prolly asleep :)
[03:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> as if he sleeps ;)
[03:47] <kkathman> lol prolly
[03:47] <jpatrick> he was here 2 hours ago
[03:48] <DanielSHaischt> Riddell: are u there?
[03:48] <kkathman> ahh its nothing...wanted to let him know I was trying out one of his projects :)
[03:49] <maxx-730> what project?
[03:49] <kkathman> he wrote a UML development tool...I was looking for one and stumbled on it through Freshmeat this morning
[03:49] <jpatrick> kkathman: nwe verison in today
[03:50] <maxx-730> aha
[03:50] <maxx-730> Anyway what i wanted to ask was
[03:50] <jpatrick> Umbrello UML Modeller
[03:51] <maxx-730> Anyone else not having sound in Kubuntu or Xubuntu?
[03:51] <maxx-730> For me it works in ubuntu
[03:51] <kkathman> jpatrick:  yes
[03:51] <maxx-730> And every other distro on the planet
[03:51] <jpatrick> maxx-730: I don't have sound at all
[03:51] <kkathman> I have sound in kubuntu just fine..but dont really use it for anything
[03:51] <maxx-730> I do
[03:52] <maxx-730> I want to listen to music
[03:52] <maxx-730> Ah wel i guess ill ask on ubuntuforums.org
[03:53] <jpatrick> I need a new computer...
[03:53] <man2d> i too =)
[03:53] <man2d> buy me computer ^^
[03:53] <maxx-730> Me too
[03:54] <Riddell> DanielSHaischt: sort of
[03:55] <Hyouga_Brait> if i download and use the live CD, if i like, can i install kubuntu from the live CD?
[03:58] <kkathman> Hey Riddell :)
[03:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> sambagirl: how did your upgrade go?
[04:00] <sambagirl> which one?
[04:00] <kkathman> Riddell Im trying out your umbrello...was looking for a UML modeler and up popped yours in freshmeat this morning :)
[04:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> a few days ( a week?) ago we we were talking about apt-get upgrade or apt-get dist-upgrade
[04:00] <sambagirl> oh i am working on my new distro TwistOS.
[04:01] <Riddell> kkathman: good luck
[04:01] <kkathman> thanks..Riddelll have you ever looked at DBDesigner4 ?
[04:03] <mister_roboto> Riddell: is umbrello your project?
[04:03] <Riddell> mister_roboto: yes, to the extent that I get any time to work on it any more (not much)
[04:03] <Riddell> kkathman: nope
[04:04] <kkathman> Riddell: its a similar project, works really well on Windows, but the product wont install right under Linux :(
[04:04] <mister_roboto> Riddell: I tried that a few months ago and was chatting with someone in #umbrello about a bug I found... just cannot remember what it was... hmmm   i really want to use it but it was a  show-stopper as I recall. Was that you I was talking to?
[04:05] <Riddell> mister_roboto: quite probably
[04:05] <DanielSHaischt> Riddell: Yesterday I did not manage to get the apt sources for kdenetwork-3.5. You did mention, that I should use >>archive.ubuntu.com<< instead. Unfortunatly I am still getting the 3.4 sources.
[04:05] <kkathman> mister_roboto: there apparently was some major bug fixes...I got an announcement of it this morning in freshmeat
[04:05] <mister_roboto> Only reason I ask is I'd still really like to use it and wonder if you've done maintenance on it since then
[04:05] <mister_roboto> kkathman:  ok thanks...  should try it again
[04:06] <Riddell> DanielSHaischt: download them manually from archive.ubuntu.com
[04:06] <mister_roboto> kkathman: using Poseidon now (very very nice) but it's not free in a commercial environment which is where i need it
[04:06] <Riddell> mister_roboto: well 1.5 is out so the issue might be fixed there
[04:06] <mister_roboto> kkathman: and, of course, no budget at work, even for a simple tool   <sigh>
[04:06] <Riddell> mister_roboto: ug, poseidon, hope you have plenty of memory
[04:06] <kkathman> mister_roboto: if not, and you arent tremendously averse to windows, you should take a look at DBDesigner4 from fabForce, its FOSS and very good
[04:07] <mister_roboto> Riddell:   yes, that's the problem :)
[04:07] <kkathman> if umbrello doesnt meet your needs that is
[04:07] <mister_roboto> Riddell: actually the new Poseidon works great with 512MB
[04:07] <kkathman> Riddell: your most current version is in the repos?
[04:07] <mister_roboto> the last few versions
[04:07] <fenoamby> hello, i ve a big problem with my printers ! someone can help me ?
[04:07] <mister_roboto> kkathman: DBDesigner?  is that a UML tool?
[04:08] <kkathman> mister_roboto: yes
[04:08] <Riddell> kkathman: yes, with KDE 3.5
[04:08] <kkathman> a very good one under windows....you can try to install the Linux version but I couldnt get it to run
[04:08] <kkathman> Riddell: I dont have 3.5
[04:08] <kkathman> will it run ok under 3.4.3
[04:08] <mister_roboto> kkathman: i'm not religious about OS issues. In fact, I have to use Windows to work from home due to the VPN that is used.
[04:08] <Riddell> kkathman: get the sources from uml.sf.net
[04:08] <mister_roboto> kkathman: thanks for the tip
[04:09] <kkathman> Riddell: yes I got those this morning
[04:09] <kkathman> mister_roboto: I'd urge you to try to install it under Linux and see if you had the same problems I did. If not, I'd like to talk to you about what you did to get it to work
[04:10] <mister_roboto> kkathman: I'll give it a go this afternoon.
[04:10] <kkathman> mister_roboto: right now all my development evironments are under Linux, but my UML is on windows...so I have to design the DB there, export the SQL scripting, transfer it and upload
[04:11] <kkathman> its a pain
[04:11] <mister_roboto> kkathman: sounds like :)    i'm only interested in the UML part specifically though, not DB design  (class diagrams, sequence diagrams, state diagrams)
[04:13] <kkathman> Im more interested in the DB Design and building the ERDs, but DBDesigner can do all that also
[04:14] <kkathman> Im wondering if Riddell's proggie will output SQL, because thats absolutely necessary for my needs
[04:14] <kkathman> Im sure it does
[04:15] <mister_roboto> kkathman: i don't think umbrello does ERD's (or UML2, as I recall)    but I could be totally wrong :)
[04:15] <Riddell> kkathman: no
[04:16] <kkathman> ah   crud
[04:16] <kkathman> oh well
[04:16] <kkathman> mister_roboto: if you figure out how to get DBDesigner4 to install under Linux I would be forever grateful :)
[04:17] <mister_roboto> kkathman: ok   have a conf. call coming up soon.   i will play with it later and let you know
[04:18] <kkathman> thanks man..appreciate your efforts and willingness
[04:19] <fenoamby> help for my problems of printers ?
[04:28] <bhna> fenoamby: wich printer?
[04:31] <djk_> kkathman: can you recommend me some linux-books?
[04:32] <kkathman> djk_: sure
[04:32] <kkathman> djk_: what are you looking for?
[04:32] <fenoamby> canon i865
[04:33] <djk_> kkathman: well, that's exactly the problem.. i don't know.. I've been asked what i want for christmas..
[04:33] <kkathman> ahh ok..
[04:34] <fenoamby> bhna: it s a canon i865 USB with turboprint drivers
[04:34] <kkathman> djk_: general linux books, there are many...I kinda like the Linux Bible, because it touches on alot of things, albeit superficially in some areas.
[04:34] <fenoamby> bhna:  and a LAserjet 1100 HP in parallel port
[04:34] <kkathman> djk_: The O'Reilly books on Linux are very good also
[04:35] <bhna> fenoamby: please look at www.linuxprinting.org
[04:35] <fenoamby> bhna: i look on this site but my printer isn t in the list
[04:35] <kkathman> there is an O'Reilly book on line you can actually use on Debian :)
[04:35] <bhna> fenoamby: think there no problem with the hp laserjet.
[04:35] <fenoamby> bhna:  with the hp the problem : i must do in console : chmod 666 /dev/lp0
[04:36] <fenoamby> it s a problem of user
[04:36] <djk_> I have the iptables book from O'Reilly... and a command-reference book.. that's about it.. for everything else i just searched online.
[04:37] <kkathman> djk_: you cant go wrong with O'Reilly books
[04:37] <kkathman> they have a couple of very good Python books
[04:37] <fenoamby> bhna: http://www.turboprint.info/  for the driver i d install
[04:37] <bhna> fenoamby: hp printer http://www.linuxprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=HP-LaserJet_1100
[04:38] <poimen> hello
[04:38] <poimen> I have a probklem installing a module
[04:38] <poimen> this is the error I get http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/455534
[04:38] <bhna> fenoamby: think canon has a cups driver on there homepage
[04:39] <bhna> fenoamby: are your user a groupmember of lpadmin?
[04:40] <fenoamby> bhna:  i have a problem in the setting system, i can t acess to USERS and GROUPS
[04:41] <bhna> fenoamby: use the aministrator mode also for the printer installation
[04:41] <fenoamby> bhna:  yes, i use the root mode
[04:42] <bhna> fenoamby: have no idea, maybe you ask Riddel
[04:42] <fenoamby> bhna: i think it s a problem of administration for my usb port
[04:42] <fenoamby> bhna: my work is in queue for my i865
[04:43] <fenoamby> bhna: i don t want to reboot on windowsXP for printing my works
[04:48] <freelove> fresh install of kubuntu...after a few reboots...i land up in console...kde starts only when i type startx...help!!!
[04:49] <jpatrick> freelove: sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart
[04:49] <freelove> jpatrick: what will this do jpatrick?
[04:49] <jpatrick> freelove: restart KDM
[04:50] <freelove> jpatrick: right now im in kubuntu...after typing startx......im upgrading right now with apt-get upgrade...hoping that the prob will be solved:(
[04:51] <freelove> jpatrick: i dont wanna say it but kubuntu breezy IS quite buggy....in comparison kubuhoary never gave me any probs.....
[04:51] <freelove> jpatrick: my pppoe connection doesn't start at boot time.....any way to fix this?
[04:52] <freelove> jpatrick: although during pppoeconf i set it to start at boot...
[04:52] <jpatrick> freelove: no idea
[04:52] <freelove> :(
[04:54] <freelove> what does this klipper tool actually do?
[04:54] <freelove> what use can i put it to?
[04:54] <jpatrick> freelove: saves your copies
[04:54] <jpatrick> of text
[04:55] <freelove> but i guess it saves some of my actions too??
[04:55] <jpatrick> nope
[04:55] <mogi> nope, only text
[04:56] <freelove> i can see that it has stored some file locations too........
[04:56] <freelove> or local urls of some of my home files......
[04:57] <jpatrick> oh and files you've copied and pasted
[04:57] <freelove> yaaaaa now i got it:)
[04:57] <freelove> how do i copy text off it?
[04:58] <mogi> Shift+Insert
[04:59] <freelove> ok
[05:00] <mogi> freelove: what do you mean pppoe doesnt start at boottime?
[05:00] <mogi> has anyone else tried it?
[05:00] <djk_> tried what
[05:01] <mogi> tried pppoe at bootup with the latest kubuntu?
[05:02] <djk_> latest being breezy or dapper?
[05:02] <mogi> breezy ;-D
[05:02] <djk_> then yes, I have.
[05:02] <mogi> 'tworks?
[05:02] <djk_> yes
[05:03] <mogi> well freelove is having problems with it
[05:03] <mogi> what are the odds of meeting Mark Shuttleworth her?
[05:03] <mogi> here*
[05:05] <freelove> ya it doesnt start for me at boottime,....
[05:05] <freelove> :(
[05:09] <djk_> freelove: it always just did for me, so no idea. check if you really set it up to start at boot..
[05:10] <toby> I have a mouse connected to my serial port and also one connected via usb. At the moment, only the USB one works. To make the other one work, do I just change
[05:10] <hussam> Is this a known bug? OO.o 1.9.129 sometims crashes when I save a .doc file after inserting an image.
[05:10] <toby> Option          "Device"                "/dev/input/mice"
[05:11] <toby> to point to the serial port in my xorg.conf?
[05:12] <Noelas> hi
[05:12] <bobobob333> Just out of curiosity, why are the KDE 3.5 packages relegated to a seperate repository and not moved into the main breezy repository? Is KDE 3.5 considered unstable?
[05:13] <bobobob333> Noelas: hello
[05:13] <Noelas> I have a question and hope for help
[05:13] <Noelas> is there something like a live-CD from kubuntu (like knoppix) which automatically detects sound, modem, X-Server and so on
[05:13] <toby> bobobob333: FWIW I installed it yesterday with no probs using adept
[05:14] <Noelas> it should support a harddrive installation
[05:14] <Noelas> should work in vmware
[05:14] <Noelas> is there something like that?
[05:14] <bobobob333> Noelas: yes
[05:14] <bobobob333> Noelas: I'll get you the link
[05:14] <Noelas> bobobob333, thank you very much for your help!
[05:15] <bobobob333> http://us.releases.ubuntu.com/releases/kubuntu/breezy/kubuntu-5.10-live-i386.iso is the x86 archetecture. Other archetectures are listed under "downloads" on kubuntu.org
[05:16] <Noelas> how can I know what archetecture I have=
[05:16] <Noelas> I normally nowload i686 packages
[05:16] <freelove> serial mouse does not work in kubuntu.....i had to edit xorg........
[05:17] <bobobob333> Noelas: then you want the x86 architecture
[05:17] <Noelas> ok ... may I ask you 2 or 3 more questions please?
[05:17] <bobobob333> but of course
[05:18] <Noelas> thank you very much
[05:18] <Noelas> I used Mepis...  Mepis is like knoppix, only better, and made for HD Installations ...
[05:18] <bobobob333> just a note: in internet nettiquette, it is polite to not ask to ask questions and simply to ask them
[05:18] <Noelas> one time, I did:
[05:18] <Noelas> apt-get install xpdf
[05:18] <Noelas> it begun d9ownloading  glibc6  sources and I HAD to update glibc6
[05:18] <Noelas> it was bad ...
[05:18] <jpatrick> bobobob333: Breezy repos are frozen
[05:19] <Noelas> I got a lot of other problems because Mepis uses  testing / unstable packages
[05:19] <bobobob333> jpatrick: okay; thanks
[05:19] <Noelas> is  the LIVE-CD of KUBUNTU based on stable packages?
[05:19] <jpatrick> bobobob333: thus new packages can't go there
[05:19] <bobobob333> Noelas: it is
[05:19] <bobobob333> Noelas: Kubuntu is one of the most stable distributions I have ever used\
[05:19] <jpatrick> Noelas: get the Flight-1 CD if you want unstable
[05:19] <toby> Is there an equivalent of harddrake for kubuntu? An app that lists hardware much like device manager in XP?
[05:20] <jpatrick> toby: KInfoCenter
[05:20] <Noelas> thats what I want ... a stable and working distro
[05:20] <Noelas> does kubuntu use the official "stable" packages from Debian?
[05:20] <Noelas> or does it have an own repository?
[05:20] <bobobob333> Noelas: No because the "stable" packages from debian are too old
[05:20] <toby> jpatrick: thx
[05:20] <bobobob333> Noelas: It is based off of debian "unstable", but they only take the stable ones
[05:21] <jpatrick> Noelas: Kubuntu == stablized Debian unstable
[05:21] <freelove> oo shoul be replaced with koffice in future releases imho:)
[05:21] <jpatrick> freelove: discussed.......... many times
[05:21] <Noelas> okay I see ...
[05:21] <bobobob333> jpatrick: what were the results of the discussions? Are they planning on any chances?
[05:22] <jpatrick> bobobob333: overall: no
[05:22] <freelove> jpatrick: really? so whats verdict?
[05:22] <Noelas> the LIVE CD .... why isn't it listed in the "download" section of kubuntu.org?  Isn't it an official CD?  Does it have an own website?
[05:22] <bobobob333> Noelas: it is listed on the download section
[05:22] <bobobob333> Noelas: towards the bottom
[05:22] <jpatrick> Noelas: click one of the links and you'll be taken to a mirror with the CDs
[05:23] <Noelas> I try to describe it better:
[05:23] <Noelas> I was on   http://www.kubuntu.org/download.php
[05:24] <Noelas> I clicked on a german mirror
[05:24] <Noelas> now I am on  http://mirrors.flosoft.biz/projects/kubuntu/
[05:24] <Noelas> there is a CD ISO i386 Install
[05:24] <Noelas> CD ISO: AMD 64 - Install
[05:24] <Noelas> Link
[05:24] <Noelas> CD ISO: PowerPC - Install
[05:24] <Noelas> thats all
[05:24] <Noelas> no live cd
[05:24] <jpatrick> Noelas: choose another one
[05:24] <bobobob333> (another mirror)
[05:24] <jpatrick> bobobob333 & freelove : http://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuOfficeSuite?highlight=%28KOffice%29
[05:25] <bobobob333> thanks jpatrick
[05:25] <Noelas> found it
[05:25] <Noelas> thank you! :)
[05:26] <Noelas> Last problem:   What is the difference between the "normal"  Kubuntu CD,   and the LIVE-CD of Kubuntu?   Is the "normal" CD any better?
[05:26] <jpatrick> Noelas: normal CD ?
[05:27] <jpatrick> Noelas: there only is an install/live CD
[05:27] <bobobob333> Noelas: the "install" CD allows you to install Kubuntu to a harddisk. The live CD lets you boot Ubuntu
[05:27] <Noelas> normal = install cd
[05:28] <Noelas> the live CD has no "install" option?
[05:28] <bobobob333> if you want to use Ubuntu on a permanent basis, you want the install CD. The Live CD is like KNoppix
[05:28] <bobobob333> NOelas: no
[05:28] <bobobob333> the live CD has no install option
[05:28] <Noelas> ok...  how hard will it be to get sound and X with Kubuntu Install CD ?
[05:28] <Noelas> I was not able to get it done with Debian
[05:28] <bobobob333> Noelas: it configures it automatically for you
[05:29] <Noelas> I am using Windows XP on a Toshiba Laptop,   Kubuntu will run in VMWARE
[05:29] <bobobob333> Noelas: if the hardware is supported
[05:29] <bobobob333> Noelas: It will probably work without a hitch
[05:29] <bobobob333> Noelas: naturally though, just in case it does not, you do not want to delete windows
[05:30] <bobobob333> Noelas: instead, you will want to make a dual-boot configuration
[05:30] <Noelas> well I would like to delete windows,  but it offers some comfort on a laptop ...
[05:30] <Noelas> example:  WLAN access in internet cafes
[05:30] <Noelas> UMTS Connect Cards for Internet whereever I am
[05:30] <Noelas> I guess Kubuntu will not be able to handle this
[05:31] <jpatrick> Noelas: who knows?
[05:31] <Noelas> if I use vmware,  Internet will work automatically
[05:31] <jpatrick> it might...
[05:31] <Noelas> because its a laptop ... nether knoppix, not kanotix and mepis were able to get WLAN work
[05:31] <bobobob333> Noelas: Using ndiswrapper, it is possible to make many wireless cards work. However, it requires a great deal of effort
[05:31] <Noelas> and the UMTS Connect Card is not supported by linux
[05:31] <Noelas> I could not find drivers for it
[05:31] <Noelas> its from www.a1.net
[05:31] <Noelas> (austria)
[05:32] <bobobob333> Noelas: let me check that for you
[05:32] <Noelas> name:  Vodafone Connect card  (UMTS * EDGE)
[05:32] <_ismael> HOLA
[05:32] <_ismael> HOLA
[05:32] <Noelas> hola _ismael
[05:32] <jpatrick> _ismael: hola/hello
[05:33] <lorion> anyone connect kubuntu to an HDTV?
[05:33] <_ismael> tengo una  kuubuntu breezy, he confiigurado mi impresora  pero no consigo arrancar cups
[05:34] <jpatrick> _ismael: #kubuntu-es por favor
[05:34] <_ismael> sorry
[05:36] <_ismael> there aren't any person  in es. I goint to try write in english
[05:36] <bobobob333> Noelas: once you have Ubuntu installed, it is possible that https://wiki.ubuntu.com//SetupNdiswrapperHowto may help you get your wireless card to work.
[05:37] <Flying_Eagle>  i updated to kde 3.5 and now kopete shows the offline contacts shortly when i switch the availability-modes. is this intentionally?
[05:37] <Flying_Eagle> nobody in #kopete answers
[05:37] <jpatrick> Flying_Eagle: I have that bug too
[05:38] <Flying_Eagle> k
[05:38] <kkathman> its probably a 3.5 anomaly
[05:38] <Flying_Eagle> i wasnt sure IF its a bu
[05:38] <Flying_Eagle> g
[05:38] <_ismael> I have a kubuntu breezy and I have install my printer. It's detected but when I try go up  the server cups, it's impossible
[05:38] <kkathman> most all of the 3.5 apps have some problems, because they were not synched with 3.5...at least not yet
[05:38] <kkathman> thats why people should wait on it, imho
[05:38] <jpatrick> Flying_Eagle: shout about it @ http://bugs.kde.org
[05:39] <lwizardl> hi
[05:39] <mister_roboto> kkathman: I took a look at the dbdesigner page. what makes you think it's a UML tool?
[05:39] <jpatrick> first search :)
[05:39] <_ismael> hhiiiiiiiiiii
[05:39] <kkathman> mister_roboto: I've used it for sometime and it is :)
[05:39] <Flying_Eagle> jpatrick, this would be something like _work_...
[05:39] <mister_roboto> kkathman: does it do all the UML diagrams/
[05:39] <Noelas> bobobob333, thank you for the link,  I was on the phone
[05:39] <lwizardl> can i use gedit to edit my video card monitor settings
[05:39] <Noelas> thank you very much
[05:40] <kkathman> well maybe not a UML tool per se...but a Database Design tool which I really need
[05:40] <kkathman> mister_roboto: ERD's yes, UML...I thought so, but perhaps not
[05:40] <kkathman> but definitely ERDS
[05:40] <_ismael> help me please!!!!!!!!!
[05:40] <kkathman> typically most packages that do one, do the other
[05:40] <mister_roboto> kkathman: uhhhh  ERD is not a UML diagram
[05:40] <kkathman> yes I know
[05:41] <bobobob333> Noelas: np
[05:41] <mister_roboto> kkathman: i have not seen one such tool (does both)
[05:41] <kkathman> mister_roboto: I know several commercial tools that do both
[05:41] <mister_roboto> kkathman: such as?
[05:41] <kkathman> Compass
[05:41] <kkathman> thats the one our developers use at our corp office
[05:42] <kkathman> there are a couple of others I would need to get the names of
[05:42] <kkathman> one is really popular
[05:42] <kkathman> anyway...Im sorry to send you on a wild goose chase :)
[05:42] <kkathman> appreciate your attention :)
[05:42] <mister_roboto> kkathman: trying to find the compass page...
[05:43] <kkathman> I believe thats what its called...maybe Kompass or something like that...I hear them talk about it all the time
[05:45] <_ismael> hii
[05:45] <kkathman> mister_roboto: on the low end I think SmartDraw does the basics of the drawing I think
[05:46] <Noelas> is kubuntu as good as ubuntu,  or are there development differences?   Is it maybe better to install  ubuntu,  and then  KDE ?
[05:46] <jpatrick> Noelas: yes
[05:47] <jpatrick> (for first question)
[05:47] <mister_roboto> kkathman: what i'm looking for specifically is a UML tool that maintains the semantics across diagrams. if i create a class on the class diagram, i expect to be able to stick it on a sequence diagram and call operations on it without having to retype the operation names... that sort of thing.
[05:47] <mister_roboto> kkathman: not something that just draws the symbols
[05:48] <kkathman> Ahh I remember the product now...its Erwin
[05:48] <kkathman> thats the other one that our company uses
[05:48] <kkathman> I think its by Computer Associates
[05:48] <jpatrick> hello libben
[05:48] <libben> ello
[05:48] <libben> +h
[05:49] <libben> finally friday
[05:49] <libben> just got of work.
[05:49] <jpatrick> libben: I've got a school holiday :)
[05:49] <libben> someones lucky =)
[05:49] <kkathman> mister_roboto: the Kompas...its OR-Compass
[05:49] <kkathman> thats the product
[05:49] <jpatrick> then again a have a 8-page essay to write
[05:50] <jpatrick> by Monday
[05:50] <libben> im planning to educate myself to linux tech or mac tech.
[05:50] <mister_roboto> kkathman: last time i used erwin (couple of years ago) it did not do UML. are you sure it does UML now?
[05:50] <hussam> Can somebody help? OO.o 1.9.129 keeps crashing on me when I save a .doc file after inserting an image into the document.
[05:52] <djk_> hussam: try #openoffice.org
[05:52] <kkathman> mister_roboto: from a FOSS standpoint I hear that ArgoUML is very good, but I've never used it
[05:53] <kkathman> mister_roboto: Erwin...not sure..its an older tool that was used...I believe OR-Compass is an older tool also.
[05:53] <mister_roboto> kkathman: yes, it is. but it's called poseidon now and it's what i've been using :)   (gentleware.com)
[05:54] <kkathman> mister_roboto: ArgoUML = Poseidon?
[05:54] <kkathman> or OR-Compass?
[05:54] <mister_roboto> kkathman: but poseidon is not free for commercial use, only for personal use      yes, argo is now poseidon
[05:54] <hussam> djk_: I did, they said I should upgrade to 2.0.0 although I can't since kubuntu has 1.9.129
[05:54] <kkathman> ohhh it used to be F/OSS though didnt it?
[05:54] <djk_> hussam: you can...
[05:55] <kkathman> mister_roboto: anyway...I apologize for sending you down a road you didnt necessarily wish to traverse :)
[05:56] <hussam> djk_: there is no 2.0 backport yet, unless I am mistaken
[05:56] <djk_> hussam: add this: deb http://people.ubuntu.com/~doko/OOo2/ ./   to your sources.list
[05:56] <mister_roboto> kkathman:  ummm hold on... i think i'm wrong.   looks like poseidon is a fork of argo but argo seems to be maintained by tigris now
[05:56] <IULIUS23ro> hi all
[05:56] <mister_roboto> (argouml.tigris.org)
[05:56] <kkathman> I just need a good Design tool that will allow me to visually design a relational architected DB, then create a SQL upload file to things like phpmyadmin
[05:57] <kkathman> thats why DBDesigner4 was very attractive...works VERY good on windows.
[05:57] <IULIUS23ro> i need an iptables with gui?
[05:57] <kkathman> IULIUS23ro: I dunno do you?
[05:57] <hussam> djk_: how do I know if this crash is actually fixed in 2.0 final?
[05:58] <IULIUS23ro> who can tell me a software
[05:58] <IULIUS23ro> i need an iptables with gui
[05:58] <IULIUS23ro> :))
[05:58] <kkathman> IULIUS23ro: firestarter
[05:58] <IULIUS23ro> ty
[05:59] <jpatrick> IULIUS23ro: Guarddog
[05:59] <djk_> hussam: i don't know. but if the OOo people said so, it probably is.
[05:59] <kkathman> jpatrick: another good one
[06:00] <kkathman> funny that kubuntu doesnt seem to have a gui tools for iptables accessible...unless I've missed it
[06:00] <jpatrick> kkathman: Guarddog's cool
[06:00] <mister_roboto> kkathman:  FYI, from argo's page on tigris...    ArgoUML is licensed under the BSD license which also allows extensions to be commercialized.
[06:00] <mister_roboto> The company Gentleware offers such an extension under the name Poseidon for UML.
[06:00] <lwizardl> can i use gedit to edit my video card monitor settings?
[06:00] <kkathman> I dont use iptables, because I have a hard firewall with my router
[06:01] <kkathman> mister_roboto: ahh ok
[06:01] <kkathman> lwizardl: gedit is a gnome text file editor
[06:02] <jpatrick> lwizardl: edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[06:02] <lwizardl> kkathman: i know i've got both gnome and kde installed and can use gnome apps in kde fine
[06:03] <jpatrick> lwizardl: or use: `sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg`
[06:03] <lwizardl> becuase i need my max res size
[06:03] <lwizardl> i don't like 1024x768
[06:04] <jpatrick> lwizardl: type: `sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg` into the konsole
[06:04] <lwizardl> ok
[06:05] <lwizardl> now its asking questions
[06:05] <lwizardl> nv or nvidia?
[06:05] <freelove> upgraded to kde 3.5........now i dont see shutdown or restart option....only end session!!!!:(
[06:06] <hussam> Riddell: hi, is there going to be an update for kde 3.4.3 for this? http://www.kde.org/info/security/advisory-20051207-1.txt
[06:07] <jpatrick> hussam: I think that's what he's working on
[06:07] <hussam> jpatrick: ok cool.
[06:08] <jpatrick> hussam: "[15:59:59]  * Riddell appologies for the delay in service today, caused by multiple xpdf nonsense"
[06:08] <freelove> upgraded to kde 3.5........now i dont see shutdown or restart option....only end session!!!!:( plz help me...........
[06:08] <jpatrick> freelove: you logged-in via startx
[06:08] <hussam> jpatrick: oh, sorry I missed that
[06:08] <_ismael> hb
[06:08] <jpatrick> freelove: thus there is no shut down button
[06:09] <freelove> jpatrick: when will my woes end....now ive to reinstall ubuntu...then kubuntu-desktop......this kubuntu clean install is giving me endless probs:(
[06:20] <freelove> how do i know whats my IP address?
[06:20] <jpatrick> freelove: www.showmyip.com
[06:20] <laser_tk> myip.dk
[06:22] <freelove> and without internet is there a way to know the IP address?
[06:24] <hussam> freeloveL ifconfig
[06:25] <freelove>  huh? then what does hostname -i do??
[06:25] <kkathman> freelove: just run ifconfig and you can get your ip address
[06:26] <kkathman> if you are connected of course :)
[06:28] <djk_> or just  ip a
[06:29] <freelove> djk_: what does hostname -i do?
[06:31] <vblanton> anyone know how to get the utility unrar so I can open .rar files?
[06:32] <crimsun> !info unrar-nonfree
[06:32] <ubotu> unrar-nonfree: (Unarchiver for .rar files (non-free version)), section multiverse/utils, is optional. Version: 3.4.3-1build1 (breezy), Packaged size: 83 kB, Installed size: 216 kB
[06:32] <kkathman> howdy crimsun :)
[06:33] <kkathman> freelove  type man hostname at a konsole
[06:33] <crimsun> hey kkathman :)
[06:33] <Tm_T> hello all
[06:34] <djk_> why is the unrar-free version even in the repos when it doesn't work anyway?
[06:34] <kkathman> freelove: when you are unsure what a command does, try "man" on the command at a console and that will tell you
[06:34] <crimsun> djk_: ...because it's Free, as in DFSG-free.
[06:34] <crimsun> djk_: and it does work for archives created with rar 2.x
[06:34] <freelove> ok....thanks.......
[06:35] <djk_> crimsun: yea okay, but rar 2.x is a bit old ..
[06:35] <crimsun> djk_: still supportable
[06:35] <djk_> i suppose so.
[06:36] <Tm_T> djk_: and it's easy to avoid whole rar, just don't download "warez"
[06:37] <Tm_T> and hit all your friends who uses rar packaging
[06:37] <djk_> Tm_T: aha.. rar is now connected with warez..
[06:37] <kkathman> not everything in rars are warez tho
[06:37] <Tm_T> not all, see the second line of mine =)
[06:38] <kkathman> rar isnt bad, but I like things that cross platform :)
[06:38] <kkathman> and are a bit more contemporary
[06:38] <Tm_T> yu
[06:38] <Tm_T> well, that little what I know about warez scene, they mostly use rar packaging
[06:39] <djk_> mostly..
[06:39] <kkathman> well that and illegal movies
[06:39] <kkathman> but maybe you call that warez also
[06:39] <Tm_T> aye
[06:39] <Tm_T> I used rar something like 8 years ago
[06:39] <kkathman> yeah
[06:39] <kkathman> its old school for sure
[06:39] <Tm_T> found it restrictive in that time
[06:39] <djk_> kkathman: most releases are splitted into rars ..only later on in the chain you find unrared movies/etc ;)
[06:40] <kkathman> but still alot of people use it for very large files
[06:40] <kkathman> which makes sense I guess
[06:40] <Tm_T> kkathman: to me it doesn't make sense
[06:40] <freelove> news! i'll be doing clean install of edubuntu tomorrow:)....and replace buggy kubuntu:(
[06:40] <Tm_T> freelove: nooooooooooooooooooo
[06:41] <kkathman> Tm_T: well the original purpose of rars, was to take a, say, 200-300mb file, and allow progressive download...i.e. for people on dialup
[06:41] <Tm_T> (going on endlessly echoing in the sky)
[06:41] <freelove> lol....what to do when kubuntu gives me so many probs:(
[06:41] <kkathman> and also a way to repair or get missing pieces without downloading the whole thing
[06:41] <kkathman> so to that end..it was ok
[06:42] <Tm_T> kkathman: hm, what's differences to better supported formats?
[06:42] <kkathman> freelove: take them one by one and fix them,  or start over and re-install
[06:42] <kkathman> Tm_T: Oh..I agree...better formats (more contemporary) are better...but back then that was a good, safe approach
[06:42] <kkathman> and it made sense
[06:42] <freelove> kkathman: ive reinstalled kubuntu tons of times....dont wanna do it again....
[06:42] <freelove> but good news is: i'll be installing kubuntu-desktop over edubuntu:D
[06:43] <Tm_T> kkathman: err, back then, arj and zip was more widely supported and did the same job I think
[06:43] <kkathman> freelove: I dont know what you are doing then...Ive installed it maybe 10-15 times and never had one single problem...this is on a variety of hardware also
[06:43] <freelove> that way ive seen that things work quite flawlessly......
[06:43] <kkathman> well maybe your problem is that...you keep installing over things :)
[06:43] <kkathman> rather than cleanly
[06:44] <freelove> kkathman: my luck......what else can i say.....but hoary never gave me any probs...and niether did ubuntu/edubuntu breezy......
[06:44] <kkathman> if you REALLY want to get a clean install...install UBUNTU, then apt-get kubuntu-desktop
[06:44] <djk_> crimsun: why isn't unace2.5 in the repos? unace 1.2 really doesn't work for anything..
[06:44] <freelove> kkathman: jus now i did CLEAN install wiping off my home & / :)
[06:44] <kkathman> freelove: dont know what to tell you...I just havent had a single install prob with any release
[06:44] <djk_> kkathman: are you saying that installing kubuntu right away is a dirty install :p
[06:44] <freelove> kkathman: :(
[06:44] <kkathman> no djk
[06:44] <freelove> djk_: yes
[06:45] <freelove> installing it ON TOP of ubuntu or edubuntu makes things work....but only for me i guess:(
[06:45] <kkathman> freelove: what other problems do you experience?
[06:45] <kkathman> lets dont throw the baby out with the bathwater
[06:46] <Flammia> hey... what's the Linux equivalent to ipconfig??
[06:46] <kkathman> Flammia: ifconfig
[06:46] <Flammia> thanks
[06:46] <kkathman> np
[06:46] <Flammia> and I'd throw the baby out... those things are nothing but trouble
[06:46] <freelove> kkathman: kdm just wont start....ive to login in console mode...then startx manually........this gives rise to another prob....i dont see shutdown option when i log out......
[06:47] <freelove> kkathman: plus my pppoe connection isnt started at boot-time......
[06:47] <kkathman> freelove: when you say "it wont start"  how far does it get?
[06:47] <freelove> it simply lands me into console mode...with the login prompt...
[06:48] <freelove> ive to login this way...then do startx
[06:48] <freelove> only then kde starts...
[06:48] <kkathman> ok
[06:48] <kkathman> well thats easy to fix... you get a normal splash screen then?
[06:48] <freelove> anyways forget it......i'd love to have edubuntu:) with kde.......
[06:48] <freelove> kkathman: yes splash screen is there......
[06:49] <freelove> kkathman: u know any fixes?
[06:50] <kkathman> freelove: it sounds as if something went haywire with your inittab
[06:51] <kkathman> that would cause your runlevel to be wrong and not have shutdown options
[06:51] <freelove> i dunno...but i didnt mess with an config files or did anything......
[06:51] <kkathman> because your internet didnt start...that could be a prob with inetd
[06:51] <Flammia> can Linux machines read CDs burnt in Windows XP??
[06:51] <crimsun> Flammia: yes
[06:52] <Flammia> hmmmm..... thanks...
[06:52] <kkathman> so...what this all sounds like is that during the install, the kubuntu process in encountering some sort of exception situation
[06:52] <freelove> kkathman: someone told me that bcoz i started kde with startx, so i dont see shutdown option.......
[06:52] <kkathman> freelove: I wonder if your are answering the install questions correctly
[06:52] <freelove> exception situation? like what? and why ubuntu doesnt give such probs?
[06:53] <freelove> kkathman: it doesnt ask too many install questions
[06:53] <kkathman> freelove: I dont know you need to check some of your config files like inittab and inetd, etc and compare them to someone that has a working kubuntu
[06:54] <freelove> kkathman: i dont know any geeky linux fans in my city......so its no use....im waiting for dapper:) i'd love to see kubuntu boot faster and more stable..
[06:55] <kkathman> crimsun might know which config file the kdm=kde statement goes in
[06:56] <kkathman> freelove: please qualify that...kubuntu/ubuntu install and boot very well and very stable...its you that is having an issue
[06:56] <kkathman> dapper wont change that I dont think
[06:56] <freelove> hmm....on a diff note it would be better if edubuntu were kde-based...kids would like it more:D
[06:56] <insanekane> freelove: :)
[06:56] <kkathman> freelove: if you DID install ubuntu with no problems, why didnt you just do an apt-get install kubuntu-desktop?
[06:56] <freelove> kkathman: but i saw it in goals wiki...that a faster boot is on the cards......
[06:57] <manveru> make the way free for kedubuntu! :)
[06:57] <kkathman> freelove: I meant the stability
[06:57] <manveru> the future of ubuntu is e17 ^^
[06:57] <kkathman> lol
[06:58] <kkathman> i doubt that..but who knows :)
[06:58] <freelove> kkathman: i did that.....but i thought lets try clean install of kubutnu again...maybe it'll work? but it didnt.....but i did save my var/cache/apt/archives folder:)
[06:58] <kkathman> ok
[06:58] <manveru> kkathman: well, give it a year or two... this project sure has energy to get its own eubuntu or something
[06:59] <freelove> manveru: u mean kubuntu? long live kubuntu:D
[07:00] <manveru> well, it will live
[07:00] <manveru> especially with the release of KDE4.0
[07:01] <freelove> yummmyyyyy
[07:02] <manveru> but i really love my e17 too...
[07:03] <dipnlik> hi all. I really liked the DejaVu Condensed fonts, and now i'm looking for a good monospaced font. what do you suggest me to use?
[07:03] <manveru> too bad kontact doesn't work well with it...
[07:03] <manveru> dipnlik: that's a mater of taste...
[07:03] <manveru> +t
[07:04] <manveru> you really want us to vote for the look of your desktop?
[07:04] <dipnlik> manveru: no, i want you to vote for good monospaced fonts
[07:04] <manveru> no idea... give me a choice :)
[07:04] <dipnlik> manveru: ok, not "good" fonts, but "fonts you like"
[07:05] <manveru> i really like the 'Linux' font ^^
[07:05] <manveru> but to be honest, i never ever looked up what fonts i use... i'm fine with the standards
[07:06] <dipnlik> manveru: i like the antialiasing (or something) effect that the Courier 10 Pitch font has
[07:06] <bobobob333> I love Bitsream, personally
[07:07] <manveru> if there was a font named 'MonoSpaced' i would go for it
[07:07] <dipnlik> bobobob333: me too. but I want something with the effect that Courier 10 Pitch has, is is very pretty
[07:08] <dipnlik> bobobob333: a Bitstream or DejaVu with these "effects" would be great
[07:09] <manveru> i lived with KDE before there was any anti-aliasing and almost didn't notice the transition to anti-aliasing... despite of the fact that i see the text on my screen all day long...
[07:09] <freelove> ok ive to go now.....goodnight all:)
[07:09] <manveru> freelove: gn8 - sleep tight :)
[07:09] <dipnlik> manveru: there is a Monospace here, very nice indeed.
[07:09] <freelove> manveru: :D
[07:09] <dipnlik> manveru: I liked Bitstream and no antialiasing before starting to use DejaVu Condensed with antialias
[07:10] <Tm_T> http://www.kapsi.fi/~tm_travolta/kuvat/temp/foo/fonts-1.png
[07:10] <Tm_T> my font settings ;)
[07:11] <manveru> hmm, no idea what fonts i have... *goes digging*
[07:11] <manveru> DejaVu Sans, all over...
[07:11] <Flammia> Is it normal to have to unmount a CD before being able to eject it??
[07:11] <manveru> Flammia: yeah
[07:12] <manveru> using the desktop-icon>right-click>eject should handle that automatically though
[07:13] <dipnlik> Tm_T: will take a look :)
[07:14] <dipnlik> Tm_T: oh, weird! :P
[07:14] <Tm_T> dipnlik: what's weird?
[07:14] <dipnlik> Tm_T: monospace everywhere
[07:15] <Tm_T> ofcourse
[07:15] <Tm_T> there's nothing weird in it
[07:15] <manveru> monospace feels good
[07:15] <dipnlik> Tm_T: it looks weird, but maybe i'll try it someday
[07:15] <manveru> for programmers i suppose
[07:15] <Tm_T> haha
[07:16] <dipnlik> LOL
[07:16] <Tm_T> dipnlik: ah, and that monospace mod ... it's my mod based on crystal clear
[07:17] <manveru> Tm_T: your settings feel good on my screen - reminded me to change Konversation to monospaced as well...
[07:18] <Tm_T> heh
[07:18] <dipnlik> Tm_T: one more to your team :)
[07:18] <djk_> mmh, just played something in wine and now my screen is 640*480..
[07:19] <manveru> but i have the general size to 9... it's too hard to read otherwise
[07:19] <Tm_T> manveru: it depends
[07:19] <manveru> of course
[07:21] <djk_> actually, the resolution still is 1280*1024. but everything i displayed in a 640*480 size..how do i fix that
[07:21] <Flammia> hey... anyone in here use .OGM files??
[07:22] <manveru> djk_: restart X?
[07:22] <manveru> djk_: nah, there is some setting in kcontrol for resolution
[07:23] <djk_> manveru: that setting _is_ 1280*1024...
[07:23] <manveru> change it, change it back, apply
[07:23] <manveru> something _should
[07:23] <manveru> _ happen...
[07:24] <djk_> thanks..
[07:25] <musashiden> hmm, when i try to do sudo -s, i get this error
[07:25] <musashiden> sudo: timestamp too far in the future: Dec  9 23:09:59 2005
[07:25] <musashiden> what does it means?
[07:25] <manveru> hmm, you've got windows on your pc?
[07:25] <musashiden> nope
[07:25] <musashiden> just kubuntu breezy
[07:26] <manveru> that's interesting then :)
[07:26] <manveru> you're some timezones ahead
[07:26] <manveru> musashiden: try following - go to bios, change you pc-clock about 5 hours back
[07:27] <manveru> on next start, linux should correct the time
[07:27] <manveru> (somebody got a better idea?)
[07:27] <musashiden> ok, will do. thanks for the help
[07:27] <djk_> manveru: changing the clock within linux?
[07:27] <manveru> please check back to tell if it worked out
[07:27] <musashiden> ok
[07:27] <manveru> djk_: you did read that :)
[07:28] <manveru> i feel like giving hackish advice today...
[07:30] <dipnlik> manveru: ok, now tell me a hack to download mp3 files from gmail using konqueror (it plays the file on the embedded player here =\ )
[07:30] <manveru> use wget... :)
[07:30] <manveru> or use right mouse-click
[07:30] <dipnlik> manveru: right mouse doesn't work
[07:31] <dipnlik> s/mouse/click/
[07:31] <manveru> you could delete the .mp3 extension from konqueror
[07:31] <manveru> but that's a bit too intrusive
[07:32] <manveru> how about using dillo/firefox/lynx whatever?
[07:33] <manveru> hmm
[07:33] <manveru> no
[07:33] <manveru> there was some combination of ctrl|alt+mouse
[07:34] <manveru> i guess you could even take the link, copy it in a mail, send it to yourself, rightclick the link and save it
[07:34] <manveru> or use gmailfs... you could dl it directly then :)
[07:35] <musashiden> ok, that fixed the time issue
[07:36] <musashiden> and now i need help with compiling kinstaller
[07:36] <musashiden> i get this error:
[07:37] <jpatrick> musashiden: use pastebin if big
[07:37] <musashiden> checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths!
[07:37] <musashiden> its just one line :)
[07:37] <manveru> !xincludes
[07:37] <ubotu> When a program or configure script asks for "X includes", you should probably install the following packages: xlibs-dev   xlibs-static-dev   x-window-system-dev
[07:38] <manveru> musashiden: btw, good to know it worked :)
[07:38] <musashiden> uh huh
[07:39] <dipnlik> manveru: guess i'll remove the mp3 entry from konqi :P
[07:40] <manveru> dipnlik: you are really bound to konqueror?
[07:40] <dipnlik> manveru: in fact I prefer Opera, but konqueror is nice, i'd really like to use it as my default browser :S
[07:41] <manveru> hmm, i use my browsers as needed...
[07:41] <manveru> even did my own light-weight ruby/qt browser :) [using the kio-interface of course] 
[07:42] <manveru> since konqueror takes some time to start on my old hardware
[07:43] <dipnlik> manveru: P3 550, 128 MB RAM here, acceptable performance
[07:44] <jpatrick> dipnlik: same here
[07:44] <manveru> but it still takes ~3 seconds...
[07:44] <The_Ace> Hi, just switched from slackware to kubuntu, how do manually install packages that I've downloaded to my local harddrive?
[07:45] <manveru> !apt-get
[07:45] <ubotu> somebody said apt-get was at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AptGetHowTo/
[07:45] <jpatrick> The_Ace: `sudo dpkg -i  <package name>.deb`
[07:45] <dipnlik> manveru: haha, you're really hard you your hardware, things here take let's say 10 seconds to start :P
[07:45] <The_Ace> thank you
[07:46] <manveru> of course :)
[07:46] <manveru> i want instant browsing
[07:46] <dipnlik> lynx comes to the rescue /o/
[07:47] <dipnlik> links2 -g :)
[07:47] <manveru> w3m here :)
[07:47] <hussam> how can I find the md5 sum of an iso image?
[07:47] <manveru> md5sum file
[07:47] <hussam> that is any iso image
[07:47] <dipnlik> manveru: no, links2 -g , way better! :P
[07:47] <musashiden> hmm, another compilation error
[07:47] <jpatrick> musashiden: yes?
[07:47] <manveru> musashiden: kde headers?
[07:48] <musashiden> yah
[07:48] <musashiden> kde headers
[07:48] <manveru> i just forgot the command for ubotu...
[07:48] <musashiden> lol
[07:48] <manveru> !kde-sources
[07:48] <ubotu> manveru: Do they come in packets of five?
[07:48] <jpatrick> musashiden: kdelibs4-dev
[07:48] <musashiden> thanks
[07:48] <manveru> yeah :)
[07:48] <manveru> !kdelibs
[07:48] <ubotu> Not a clue, manveru
[07:48] <manveru> hmm, i really have to learn them more
[07:49] <musashiden> err, wth?
[07:49] <musashiden> E: Broken packages
[07:49] <hussam> manveru: md5sum file.iso retruns nothing
[07:49] <manveru> it should
[07:49] <manveru> but it takes some time
[07:49] <jpatrick> hussam: http://kudos.berlios.de/kf/kisimlar/tipsntrix.html#tipsntrix
[07:49] <musashiden> what do they mean by the packages being broken? :/
[07:50] <jpatrick> musashiden: unable to install
[07:50] <manveru> musashiden: what are you trying to compile?
[07:50] <musashiden> kinstaller
[07:50] <jpatrick> manveru: kinstaller
[07:50] <manveru> ?
[07:50] <manveru> !info kinstaller
[07:50] <manveru> what the heck is that?
[07:50] <musashiden> google it :)
[07:51] <hussam> manveru, jpatrick: it worked but it did take a while
[07:51] <hussam> thanks
[07:51] <jpatrick> manveru: http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=19464
[07:51] <manveru> hmm
[07:51] <manveru> i really prefer checkinstaller
[07:52] <jpatrick> manveru: i prefer dpkg-buildpackage :)
[07:52] <manveru> ^^
[07:53] <musashiden> so anyways, how can i fix this broken packages error?
[07:53] <manveru> well, checkinstall being a frontend for that
[07:53] <manveru> musashiden: when we know what exactly is broken we might help
[07:53] <jpatrick> musashiden: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com
[07:53] <musashiden> libarts1-dev
[07:54] <musashiden> thats the broken package
[07:54] <jpatrick> musashiden: remove that
[07:54] <musashiden> Depends: libarts1-dev (>= 1.4.0) but it is not going to be installed
[07:54] <jpatrick> ah
[07:55] <musashiden> well?..
[07:55] <jpatrick> sudo apt-get updaet
[07:55] <jpatrick> update*
[07:56] <musashiden> iam still getting the same error
[07:56] <ClayG> are you using non ubuntu repos in your sources.list?
[07:57] <ClayG> This has been the cause of that error time and time again for me.
[07:57] <jpatrick> musashiden: what arch are you on?
[07:57] <musashiden> kubuntu breezy
[07:57] <musashiden> ClayG: just the amarok deb line
[07:57] <jpatrick> musashiden: i386, amd64?
[07:58] <musashiden> jpatrick: i386
[07:58] <jpatrick> musashiden: gimme a few minutes I'll package it for you
[07:58] <musashiden> thanks
[07:58] <nalioth> musashiden: that would do it
[07:58] <nalioth> it is not advised to use non ubuntu pkgs, because of problems like this
[07:58] <ClayG> nalioth: has told me a few things, that when doubted; resulted in problems
[07:59] <ClayG> one time I couldnt even access my computer
[07:59] <jpatrick> nalioth: I make packages for Kubuntu
[07:59] <musashiden> nalioth: its just the latest amarok package. i dont thing it has much to do with the kde libs
[08:00] <musashiden> oh, cool. a developer :o
[08:00] <nalioth> jpatrick: i'm just stating a known fact about mixing repos
[08:00] <nalioth> jpatrick: by all means pkg away :)
[08:00] <jpatrick> nalioth: glad to!
[08:01] <jpatrick> nalioth: did you say something?
[08:02] <musashiden> akward
[08:02] <jpatrick> musashiden: I'm doing it
[08:03] <musashiden> hmm?
[08:03] <lwizardl> hi
[08:03] <nalioth> jpatrick: just a /notice
[08:03] <jpatrick> want PM?
[08:03] <lwizardl> anyone have luck with rars?
[08:03] <musashiden> lwizardl: nope
[08:03] <musashiden> jpatrick: me?
[08:04] <jpatrick> musashiden: no nalioth
[08:04] <musashiden> oh
[08:04] <lwizardl> i have unrar installed but nothing seems to understand them
[08:04] <jpatrick> lwizardl: multiverse
[08:04] <lwizardl> jpatrick: i have multiverse and universe enabled already
[08:04] <crimsun> it's called unrar-nonfree
[08:05] <nalioth> lwizardl: use unrar-nonfree
[08:05] <angasule> is it possible to install just a certain package from multiverse? like unrar-nonfree?
[08:05] <nalioth> angasule: of course
[08:05] <Roey> hi
[08:05] <Roey> anyone here use Xen on kernel 2.6.14.3? can it be done?
[08:05] <lwizardl> Package unrar-nonfree is not available
[08:05] <crimsun> with vanilla 2.6.14.3? yes.
[08:05] <angasule> I don't want anything else from multiverse, so, anything in special I should do?
[08:06] <nalioth> ubotu: tell angasule about repos
[08:06] <angasule> good ubotu
[08:06] <angasule> thanks nalioth
[08:06] <jpatrick> musashiden: I'm making your pkg as fast as I can :)
[08:06] <nalioth> angasule: enable universe and multiverse repos, update your apt, and i think you'll find more than one intersting thing
[08:06] <ClayG> just dont mess with automatix, whatever you do
[08:06] <musashiden> jpatrick: take your time, iam not in a hurry to get kinstaller fixed
[08:07] <musashiden> jpatrick: so once you get the pkg done i just do apt-get update then apt-get upgrade ?
[08:07] <jpatrick> musashiden: no
[08:07] <jpatrick> musashiden: dpkg -i
[08:07] <angasule> nalioth: I already have universe, but I don't generally want multiverse stuff (just unrar for now)
[08:08] <jpatrick> nalioth: if you want see: http://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuPackagingGuide
[08:08] <nalioth> angasule: haveing multiverse enabled doesnt make you use any of it
[08:08] <ClayG> is there a command line program that works like thunderbird? where I dont need to to with fetchmail or getmail?
[08:08] <musashiden> jpatrick: oh, gotcha
[08:08] <angasule> ok, just wanted to be sure, thanks
[08:08] <pagux> hello friends
[08:08] <pagux> :-)
[08:09] <hussam> manveru, jpatrick: is there anyway I can check the CD after I burn the image against the md5sum I obtained earlier?
[08:09] <pagux> how i can set up path variable at start up and other evniorment variables
[08:10] <pagux> in rhel i used to do it in /etc/profile
[08:10] <crimsun> system-wide or per-user?
[08:10] <nalioth> ubotu: tell hussam about verify
[08:10] <pagux> both
[08:10] <pagux> some system some user
[08:10] <crimsun> pagux: ...system-wide is inherited by users.
[08:10] <crimsun> pagux: you'd change /etc/profile
[08:11] <crimsun> pagux: per-user, assuming bash, use ~/.bashrc and make sure it's uncommented in ~/.bash_profile
[08:11] <pagux> i did that my path is not getting changed
[08:11] <pagux> :-(
[08:11] <crimsun> what did you do?
[08:12] <Roey> hey cr
[08:12] <Roey> crimsun:
[08:12] <chaoticgeek> ubotu: hi
[08:12] <chaoticgeek> hey all
[08:12] <ubotu> guten tag, chaoticgeek
[08:12] <Roey> crimsun:  I've learned how to use fakeroot/make-kpkg
[08:12] <hussam> nalioth: want to verify the physical burned CD not the iso image
[08:12] <pagux> added lines
[08:12] <Roey> crimsun:  thank you for pointing it to me all those months ago.
[08:13] <crimsun> Roey: np
[08:13] <crimsun> pagux: please be more precise
[08:13] <nalioth> hussam: that can be verified in the same manner  md5sum /dev/cdrom  iirc
[08:13] <angasule> hmm, it seems to be downloading packages from backports when I hit upgrade
[08:15] <nalioth> angasule: do you have backports enabled?
[08:16] <jpatrick> musashiden: please wait - building-package
[08:17] <ClayG> nalioth: since ubuntu can't use debian repos...is it the same with debian, can they use ubuntu repos?
[08:18] <musashiden> jpatrick: i told you, take your time.
[08:18] <nalioth> ClayG: i dont think either one would benefit
[08:18] <jpatrick> ClayG: if they rebuild the pkgs from src
[08:18] <ClayG> but would you say there are more debian packages out there than ubuntu?
[08:18] <nalioth> ClayG: as jpatrick says, you can have all the "source" debian repos you like
[08:19] <ClayG> well you could have all the "source" rpm also rifht?
[08:19] <ClayG> since source is compiled on your machine?
[08:19] <ClayG> I mean I figure you can have source ,whatever you want. it's a source
[08:19] <angasule> nalioth: I enabled the servers labeled multiverse
[08:20] <ClayG> I guess the question is what makes ubuntu better than debian, to you?
[08:20] <nalioth> angasule: do you have a line in your sources.list with "backports" in it?
[08:21] <ClayG> seems like they both have apt-get and synaptic, but one can apt-get a whole lot more tha the other :(
[08:21] <chaoticgeek> hello?
[08:21] <angasule> nalioth: yeah, same as multiverse
[08:22] <nalioth> angasule: that is why you're getting stuff from backports
[08:22] <angasule> nalioth: I thought I wouldn't be getting stuff from that repo unless I installed a package from it...
[08:23] <hussam> nalioth: thanks that worked
[08:24] <nalioth> angasule: the apt-get or adept doesnt show you which repos the pkgs are from
[08:24] <angasule> nalioth: I didn't install any packages, just hit upgrade
[08:25] <nalioth> angasule: and when any pkgs you have installed, lands in backports as a newer version, you'll get it that way
[08:25] <angasule> so how do I get rid of the backports stuff now? disable that repo and 'upgrade' again?
[08:25] <melong> anybody in?
[08:26] <jpatrick> melong:  everyone
[08:26] <nalioth> angasule: you'll be fine, backports are as safe as universe and multiverse
[08:26] <melong> ok then... how do i install packages with kubuntu.. it doesnt seem to have a package manger
[08:26] <jpatrick> melong: Adept
[08:27] <musashiden> yup, Adept
[08:27] <melong> yeah... no option to choose my own package
[08:27] <jpatrick> melong: dpkg -i <package name>
[08:27] <angasule> nalioth: that's not what it says, anyway, next time someone asks "will it install from that repo automatically" answer "yes"...
[08:28] <nalioth> angasule: i personally don't like the fact that backports comes enabled by default
[08:28] <jpatrick> nalioth:  doesn't
[08:28] <jpatrick> it*
[08:29] <jpatrick> nor does universe
[08:29] <melong> haza
[08:29] <melong> thanks :)
[08:31] <angasule> best thing is, unrar doesn't seem to be available?
[08:31] <angasule> the nonfree version, I mean, doesn't show up in the list
[08:32] <jpatrick> musashiden: package done
[08:32] <jpatrick> musashiden: here: http://trunk.siteburg.com/pkgs/kinstaller_0.2-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
[08:32] <jpatrick> sorry it's a crap server
[08:32] <nalioth> angasule: did you update your apt after enabling the repos?
[08:33] <angasule> yes
[08:34] <lwizardl> can someone help me with getting rars to unpackage
[08:35] <lwizardl> i have unrar-free installed but the nonfree one can't be found by aptget
[08:35] <angasule> lwizardl: same here
[08:35] <manveru> !sources
[08:35] <crimsun> lwizardl: did you add the multiverse repository?
[08:35] <ubotu> A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 (Hoary) or http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2325 (Breezy) - Create your own sources.list at http://ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[08:35] <lwizardl> both uni & multi
[08:35] <crimsun> lwizardl: (rather, uncomment and update)
[08:35] <nalioth> !info unrar-nonfree
[08:35] <ubotu> unrar-nonfree: (Unarchiver for .rar files (non-free version)), section multiverse/utils, is optional. Version: 3.4.3-1build1 (breezy), Packaged size: 83 kB, Installed size: 216 kB
[08:36] <crimsun> lwizardl: what's the output from ''apt-cache policy unrar-nonfree''?
[08:36] <crimsun> use #flood
[08:38] <angasule> crimsun: two (none)
[08:38] <lwizardl> crimsun: ok i did
[08:39] <crimsun> angasule: err?
[08:39] <crimsun> lwizardl: output in #flood?
[08:39] <angasule> crimsun: that command says it's not installed and there's no candidate
[08:40] <crimsun> angasule: join #flood and paste the output from ''grep multiverse /etc/apt/sources.list''
[08:40] <manveru> crimsun: he said it already...
[08:40] <manveru> angasule: in this case you have a incomplete sources.list
[08:41] <manveru> angasule: please use http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl and paste it
[08:41] <crimsun> manveru: where did he paste the output from ''grep multiverse /etc/apt/sources.list''?
[08:41] <manveru> [20:39]  <angasule> crimsun: that command says it's not installed and there's no candidate
[08:41] <crimsun> angasule: those are breezy-backports, not breezy
[08:41] <angasule> i pasted to flood
[08:41] <crimsun> manveru: that's not what I asked for (I didn't ask him for apt-cache policy output)
[08:42] <lwizardl> so did i just now
[08:42] <crimsun> lwizardl: same for you.
[08:42] <manveru> crimsun: uh, my apologies :)
[08:42] <jpatrick> musashiden: ping
[08:42] <crimsun> manveru: / lwizardl: both of you need to uncomment the line for breezy, not breezy-backports
[08:43] <crimsun> err, sorry
[08:43] <manveru> np ^^
[08:43] <crimsun> angasule: you need to uncomment the line for breezy, not breezy-backports
[08:43] <angasule> no other line with multiverse
[08:44] <crimsun> ok, then you need to add ''deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy multiverse''
[08:44] <angasule> ok, is it safe to remove the backports repo? will it remove tha packages (downgrade)?
[08:44] <lwizardl> ok what was the command again for editing the sources
[08:45] <crimsun> angasule: it's safe to comment out the breezy-backports repo if you wish
[08:45] <angasule> and will it remove the packages it 'upgraded'?
[08:46] <crimsun> lwizardl: just do this: Open a Konsole, and type the following: echo "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy multiverse" | sudo tee -a /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:46] <crimsun> lwizardl: then, sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude install unrar-nonfree
[08:46] <crimsun> angasule: no, it simply removes the repository reference
[08:47] <angasule> frack, so I got a bunch of potentially unstable packages installed now...
[08:47] <crimsun> angasule: you just won't be able to use apt-based tools to install packages from that repository unless you add it back
[09:02] <jpatrick> wb _thumper_
[09:03] <_thumper_> jpatrick, what's wb?
[09:03] <jpatrick> welcome back
[09:03] <_thumper_> ah, had dns problems
[09:04] <_thumper_> jpatrick, you do kubuntuforums.org don't you?
[09:04] <jpatrick> _thumper_: yep
[09:04] <_thumper_> jpatrick, love the new functionality, but having problems with the blog
[09:05] <jpatrick> _thumper_: only problem I've had is that my desktop's too big to big uploaded
[09:06] <_thumper_> jpatrick, the blog uses a fancy wysiwyg editor that almost works
[09:06] <_thumper_> I was trying to post some C++ code, but it strips all the < and >
[09:06] <_thumper_> and leaves &lt; and &gt; like that
[09:06] <_thumper_> really frustrating
[09:07] <_thumper_> jpatrick, do you know who to talk to about this?
[09:08] <[Relic] > xfered datafiles from win to linux.  All of them are marked executable.  Since they all reside in one dir with bunch of subdirs what is the quickest way to convert them to not having the executable flag?
[09:08] <jpatrick> _thumper_: I see you've #include-d nothing
[09:08] <Insom-> find . -type f -exec chmod-x {} \;
[09:08] <_thumper_> jpatrick, well it was <string> and <boost/lexical_cast.hpp> but those got skipped ;)
[09:08] <Insom-> eh make that chmod -x
[09:09] <jpatrick> _thumper_: I haven't tried the boost headers
[09:09] <manveru> chmod -R -x *
[09:09] <_thumper_> jpatrick, do much C++
[09:09] <_thumper_> ?
[09:09] <[Relic] > that won't effect the subdirs so they will still be visible?
[09:09] <jpatrick> I try to
[09:09] <lwizardl> crimsun: ok did that said installed nonfree
[09:09] <Insom-> manveru: will that affect dirs?
[09:09] <Reilithion> !search
[09:09] <ubotu> search is, like, totally, System>Administration>Synaptic, has a search function. Command line are apt-cache search "packagename", or aptitude search "packagename", or you can also do a package search via http://packages.ubuntu.com/<package>
[09:09] <lwizardl> how do i check?
[09:10] <manveru> Insom-: everything
[09:10] <_thumper_> jpatrick, I really suggest looking at the boost libraries, or just watch the blog providing I can get posting code to work
[09:10] <Insom-> manveru: that's not what he was looking for ;)
[09:10] <jpatrick> _thumper_: I'm so newbie I know how to #include <iostream> and use it >:(
[09:10] <_thumper_> jpatrick, new to programming or just C++?
[09:11] <jpatrick> I started it about 10 months ago
[09:11] <_thumper_> which one?
[09:11] <jpatrick> C++ (first language)
[09:11] <_thumper_> I also frequent the programming section of ubuntuforums.org
[09:11] <_thumper_> Hmm.. interesting language to learn first
[09:12] <_thumper_> Have you had a look at Accelerated C++ by Koenig and Moo?
[09:12] <jpatrick> _thumper_: you're the one who taught me howto compile on Linux :P
[09:12] <_thumper_> jpatrick, ha, ha... love it ;)
[09:12] <Insom-> [Relic] : the find command above only affects files
[09:13] <Insom-> [Relic] : (hence the -type f)
[09:15] <Mic_hael> good evening! where can I assign keyboard shortcuts to sound volume? I had this in ubuntu gnome, but in kubuntu I can't find it
[09:17] <Insom-> Mic_hael: start kmix, then in the menu: settings > configure shortcuts
[09:18] <[Relic] > figured out how to get them modified  :)
[09:18] <Mic_hael> thanks! I'll have a look at that
[09:19] <Insom-> Mic_hael: right click on the speaker system tray icon and select show mixer window to get the mixer window
[09:23] <Mic_hael> seems to be the right place... assinging Fn+PageUp doesn't work however, so I'll have to use another combination than in Gnome... Thanks anyway
[09:26] <darryl> !search mk
[09:26] <ubotu> darryl: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[09:26] <darryl> lol
[09:26] <darryl> hello
[09:26] <darryl> anybody out there?
[09:30] <manveru> damn, just was about to answer him
[09:31] <_sander> Hi! Is there going to be a Human-like theme for Kubuntu too?
[09:31] <manveru> Human-like?
[09:31] <_sander> like the Human theme in Gnome
[09:31] <manveru> with five fingers and these stingy eyes?
[09:32] <manveru> uhm, dunno
[09:32] <_sander> well, that's an idea too, but I meant the desktop theme :-)
[09:32] <manveru> never heard about it
[09:32] <[Relic] > make one :)
[09:32] <_sander> I've never made any desktop themes, is that hard?
[09:33] <kkathman> crimsun you around?
[09:33] <neoncode> is compileing programs as root (useing sudo) dangourus?
[09:33] <crimsun> kkathman: hi
[09:33] <manveru>   neoncode yeah
[09:33] <crimsun> this cap-identify really screws up nick-highlighting for me
[09:34] <manveru> neoncode: compared to crossing the street it is relatively dangerous
[09:34] <kkathman> crimsun are you familiar with php - mysql under Linux?
[09:34] <crimsun> no, not a LAMP guy
[09:34] <crimsun> (sorry)
[09:35] <kkathman> know anyone that is?
[09:35] <kkathman> hehe
[09:35] <crimsun> most everyone else? ;)
[09:35] <kkathman> Im beginning to think NO one programs php and mysql under Linux..been to muliple channels and cant get answers :(
[09:35] <manveru> kkathman: what's your problem?
[09:35] <kkathman> manveru: getting this error:
[09:35] <kkathman> Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2)
[09:35] <manveru> kkathman: did that for 5 years... switched to ruby :)
[09:36] <kkathman> yet my phpmyadmin works fine and I can run my apps just fine
[09:36] <manveru> kkathman: yeah, debian usually has the sock messed up...
[09:36] <kkathman> lovely
[09:36] <manveru> do a 'ps aux | grep mysql'
[09:36] <manveru> should tell you the location of the sock
[09:37] <kkathman> its running
[09:37] <manveru> and where?
[09:37] <kkathman> actually two instances?
[09:38] <kkathman> weird?
[09:38] <PaloDeQueso> Sometimes when I pull .deb packages from kde-apps and install it, it says I don't have the correct dependencies installed, but it still installs and works fine because the ones I have installed are named differently, but when I go to install anything else it makes me uninstall that package first?
[09:38] <PaloDeQueso> How does one fix this?
[09:38] <[miles] > evening guys... anyone know if there is a M$ fonts package ?
[09:38] <nalioth> PaloDeQueso: build from source
[09:38] <manveru> PaloDeQueso: you don't fix that... packages you download generally are not for ubuntu
[09:38] <crimsun> !info msttcorefonts
[09:38] <nalioth> [miles] : msttcorefonts
[09:38] <kkathman> manveru: port 3306  standard
[09:38] <[miles] > ah thanks
[09:38] <ubotu> msttcorefonts: (Installer for Microsoft TrueType core fonts), section multiverse/x11, is optional. Version: 1.2ubuntu2 (breezy), Packaged size: 21 kB, Installed size: 164 kB
[09:38] <manveru> kkathman: no, the socket
[09:38] <[miles] > cheers guys
[09:38] <PaloDeQueso> so is there any way to leave it installed though, because they work fine?
[09:39] <PaloDeQueso> because I tried biulding from source and it failed.
[09:39] <manveru> PaloDeQueso: you build them yourself before installing
[09:39] <nalioth> PaloDeQueso: using non ubuntu debs is causing your problems, if you compile it yourself and use checkinstall to install it, you wont have those problems
[09:39] <manveru> kkathman: --socket=/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock
[09:39] <[miles] > mmm which repo do I need for that?
[09:39] <PaloDeQueso> I know, but what I'm saying is I can't get it to build, when I do the make, it won't compile.
[09:39] <kkathman> manveru: where do I see that?
[09:40] <PaloDeQueso> even though configure checks out.
[09:40] <manveru> kkathman: in the ps aux
[09:40] <[miles] > oh I think I have restricted dissabled
[09:40] <nalioth> PaloDeQueso: what program is this? did the kde-apps page have any tips on compiling?
[09:40] <kkathman> manveru: found it
[09:40] <manveru> !checkinstall
[09:40] <ubotu> rumour has it, checkinstall is http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CheckInstall
[09:40] <kkathman> one moment
[09:41] <PaloDeQueso> well just in general, someitmes things won't install right, and I'll try building it and that won't work either.
[09:41] <triode> I need help setting up an USB sound card in kubuntu, can anybody help me?
[09:41] <PaloDeQueso> but recently k3guitune
[09:42] <nalioth> PaloDeQueso: any tips on the kde-apps page or the homepage of the app?
[09:42] <opnsrc> How do I add a recycle bin to my desktop?
[09:42] <opnsrc> Or a trash can?
[09:42] <[miles] > no, cant find the packge :-\
[09:42] <triode> anybody?
[09:43] <manveru> triode: i haven't got USB-sound... google is your friend on that...
[09:43] <kkathman> aha!
[09:43] <PaloDeQueso> no
[09:43] <PaloDeQueso> nalioth: no
[09:43] <triode> I tried just about everything Google, that's why I'm here!
[09:44] <manveru> triode: tell us what sound-card you have...
[09:44] <triode> tascam US-224
[09:44] <triode> I know alsa has support for it
[09:44] <manveru> triode: hmm, heard that some days ago
[09:44] <triode> I am a newbie in linux
[09:44] <manveru> triode: have you been here already? :)
[09:44] <triode> yeah, I asked the same question yesterday!
[09:44] <triode> Somebody helped me out, but we didn't get it to work
[09:45] <triode> was it you?
[09:45] <[miles] > bbias
[09:45] <manveru> no, i tried to help you before the other one
[09:45] <PaloDeQueso> Is there anyway to install something and just ignore the dependencies altogether?
[09:45] <triode> oh, ok. It's been quite frustrating
[09:45] <manveru> but couldn't come up with something more useful than google
[09:45] <apokryphos> PaloDeQueso: man dpkg
[09:45] <triode> I don't understand linux enough to figure it out by myself
[09:46] <manveru> triode: well, in the area of USB you found my blind spot...
[09:46] <triode> that's sad to hear. I wish I could find somebody who had done this
[09:46] <triode> it's a popular pro sound interface
[09:47] <triode> and the How To's that I've found haven't worked for me, could it be Kubuntu?
[09:47] <manveru> how far did you get?
[09:47] <triode> could I be better using Debian or other maintream distribution?
[09:47] <triode> I get as far as getting the sound card listed
[09:47] <triode> under /proc/asound
[09:47] <manveru> listed where?
[09:47] <opnsrc> How do I add a trash can to my desktop?
[09:47] <opnsrc> Also, I accidently deleted something from Network
[09:47] <opnsrc> How do I get it back?
[09:48] <manveru> opnsrc: gimme your email, i'll send you one
[09:48] <opnsrc> from the shortcut menu
[09:48] <opnsrc> No, I mean a shortcut
[09:48] <Mic_hael> you can go to trash:/
[09:48] <opnsrc> I can add one to my Panel
[09:48] <opnsrc> but not my desktop
[09:48] <triode> is there an irc channel for ALSA? I should probably try that
[09:48] <manveru> triode: pretty sure it's #alsa
[09:48] <apokryphos> there is
[09:49] <triode> ok, I'll give that a shot thanks!
[09:49] <manveru> triode: np
[09:49] <opnsrc> ok but what if I want to drag something to the trash
[09:49] <opnsrc> How do i add one
[09:49] <opnsrc> just make it trash:/
[09:49] <Mic_hael> yes
[09:49] <triode> :)
[09:49] <kkathman> manveru: thankx for the tip...was able to figure it out from there
[09:49] <Mic_hael> create new link to location, and then you give it a name and point it to trash:/
[09:50] <manveru> np - i ran into this one quite a few times :)
[09:50] <opnsrc> tried it already
[09:50] <kkathman> manveru: did you ever use any tool for like DB Design - ERDs etc?
[09:50] <manveru> kkathman: no, using Og for that...
[09:50] <kkathman> Og?
[09:51] <manveru> ObjectGraph
[09:51] <manveru> it's an ORM for ruby
[09:51] <kkathman> I see....
[09:51] <manveru> i just create objects and interact with them
[09:52] <gerdude> hi
[09:52] <kkathman> manveru: I wonder if I could bother you to download this http://www.fabforce.net/downloads.php  and see if you can get it to install?  I just want to know if its my system or its broken :)
[09:52] <[miles] > yo, sorry guys, it's just not listing this msttcorefonts package... :-\
[09:52] <kkathman> its an ERD pkg
[09:52] <[miles] > running 5.10 with all updates
[09:52] <kkathman> very good under windows, but cant get it to install under linux
[09:53] <manveru> kkathman: will give it a shot
[09:53] <kkathman> I really appreciate that...I owe ya :)
[09:53] <Tm_T> kkathman: what's that
[09:53] <kkathman> Tm_T:  its an ERD designer
[09:53] <Tm_T> ERD?
[09:53] <kkathman> Visual DB design kit for Entity Relationship Diagrams
[09:54] <Tm_T> aah
[09:54] <kkathman> helps you define tables and creates SQL script to upload to your server
[09:54] <Tm_T> no idea what that means =)
[09:54] <Tm_T> aah
[09:54] <Tm_T> ok
[09:54] <manveru> kkathman: actually i intended to do something like :)
[09:54] <kkathman> it works wonderfully under windows, but I cants get it to do anything under linux
[09:54] <kkathman> thanks manveru ;:)
[09:55] <kkathman> I keep trying to move all of my development to my linux environment, but keep hitting roadblocks..I really need this tool or one like it
[09:56] <kkathman> well I shouldnt say "need"...I would highly desire it as it would make my productivity higher
[09:57] <manveru> kkathman: well... i try to run it.. and it does... nothing
[09:57] <kkathman> manveru: you type that ./startdbd and nothing happens right?
[09:57] <[miles] > anyone assist?
[09:57] <manveru> kkathman: exactly
[09:57] <kkathman> ok...well then its not just me :)
[09:58] <kkathman> thanks..you can just rm -rf that directory :)
[09:58] <kkathman> I need to find a tool for me that works :)
[09:58] <maarten> i am making changes to /etc/kde3/kdm/kdmrc, but they have no effect. any idea why??
[09:59] <manveru> kkathman: actually you should try to find the error in the 'startdbd' shellscript
[09:59] <manveru> kkathman: maybe they have /usr/local/* or something in there that doesn't work in debian-like systems
[09:59] <triode> manveru, I didn't get any reply at alsa channel. Can you suggest another channel that may help me with USB Audio
[10:01] <cRoW2k> hi
[10:02] <manveru> triode: ok, that's bad...
[10:02] <manveru> triode: you might try it in #ubuntu though...
[10:02] <triode> :) no kidding!
[10:02] <triode> ok, I'll try that
[10:02] <mdeboer> i am making changes to /etc/kde3/kdm/kdmrc, but they have no effect. any idea why??
[10:03] <cRoW2k> there is a mirror with source list update ? mine is broken
[10:03] <manveru> you are using kde2? :)
[10:03] <manveru> !sources
[10:03] <ubotu> A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 (Hoary) or http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2325 (Breezy) - Create your own sources.list at http://ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[10:03] <cRoW2k> oh thanks
[10:03] <manveru> mdeboer: you should change this stuff using kcontrol
[10:04] <mdeboer> manveru: why?
[10:04] <manveru> because it works?
[10:04] <mdeboer> that's not a reason
[10:05] <mdeboer> i want to know why editing kdmrc does _not_ work
[10:05] <manveru> ok, but don't expect an answer :)
[10:05] <manveru> this question doesn't work as well...
[10:06] <mdeboer> right.
[10:07] <neoncode> Hey, there are no ops in this chanel right?
[10:08] <apokryphos> neoncode: what's the problem?
[10:08] <manveru> i guess so :)
[10:08] <neoncode> apokryphos: Nothing, I just wanted to know what happens if we need to kick someone
[10:09] <manveru> wonder where they have gone...
[10:09] <apokryphos> neoncode: you type !kops  and if there's an availalbe op, they'll try to help
[10:09] <manveru> why would we have to kick some guy?
[10:09] <apokryphos> don't misuse it though
[10:09] <neoncode> I dunno, I was just wondering. Hypothetical
[10:10] <apokryphos> manveru: excessive trolling, spam, derogatory language etc etc
[10:10] <manveru> that is what /ignore was invented for :)
[10:10] <apokryphos> manveru: it's a pain to ask 152 members to /ignore a member
[10:10] <manveru> one of the most underestimated commmands in the history of irc
[10:11] <apokryphos> that's what /kick / +b was invented for :)
[10:11] <kkathman> lol
[10:11] <manveru> yeah, but these commands are not underestimated :)
[10:12] <apokryphos> depends on what type of person you are; I never use /ignore
[10:13] <manveru> when i find reason to ignore some person i don't automatically think others want to ignore this person as well
[10:13] <manveru> on the other hand i sometimes like to talk to excessive trolls :)
[10:13] <kkathman> rofl
[10:13] <neoncode> manveru: Why would you want to do that?
[10:14] <manveru> well, it's ubuntu after all :)
[10:14] <manveru> and trolls are humans too
[10:14] <neoncode> manveru: Bearly
[10:14] <manveru> somewhere... very... deep... within
[10:14] <manveru> you saw Shrek :)
[10:15] <manveru> however, i like my freedom to talk to whoever i want