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| jbailey | psusi: Right. I'll assign this to Adam Conrad. he's handling initramfs-tools now. | 12:02 |
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| psusi | jbailey: ahh... ok... | 12:05 |
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| psusi | hopefully those scripts are correct and can then be integrated into the dmraid package, and then that package added to the main seed | 12:06 |
| jbailey | One of these days I'm going to have to get people to explain to me their anti-sendmail bias. | 12:06 |
| slomo | lamont: ping? | 12:06 |
| psusi | sendmail was a source of a LOT of remote root exploits over the years for one... for another, it is a royal pain to configure iirc | 12:06 |
| jbailey | There hasn't been an exploit in *years* in it. Configs that are dozens of lines long are maybe 4 or 5 lines in sendmail. | 12:06 |
| lamont | slomo: ack | 12:07 |
| jbailey | psusi: The biggest configuration problems that people have is that they try to edit sendmail.cf, I think. | 12:07 |
| SEJeff | Overcomplex config files *cough* m4 macros are more likely to be misconfigured | 12:07 |
| slomo | lamont: do you read what someone said to your lamont-away nick? ;) can you give-back banshee on ppc? and what happened to mod-mono now? :) | 12:07 |
| jbailey | SEJeff: Do you think so? Hmm. | 12:09 |
| jbailey | I always liked the fact that there was a compile pass that would usually catch the worst of my mistakes. | 12:09 |
| SEJeff | jbailey: That is a general rule. Most "hacks" stem from misconfigured software. Difficulty in configuration is directly proportional to security in most cases | 12:10 |
| SEJeff | jbailey: See apache. apachectl configtest. | 12:10 |
| SEJeff | jbailey: The apache config is human readable (arguably) sendmail.cf is not | 12:10 |
| jbailey | Well, sendmail's exploits at the time were because the Berkley people regularily did acid before coding. | 12:11 |
| jbailey | sendmail.cf is not intended to be treated like a config file any more than a compiled executable is. | 12:11 |
| jbailey | The fact that some of us *cough*lamont*cough* can occasionally read compiled executables doesn't mean it's a good idea. | 12:12 |
| SEJeff | jbailey: I realize that, but do you see my point? | 12:12 |
| SEJeff | od is your friend :) | 12:12 |
| lamont | slomo: lamont-away and lamont are two diff machines... | 12:12 |
| jbailey | I don't actually. Your statement still treats it like a config file. What screws with me about postfix and (worse) exim is that the config files are always more than a page long. | 12:12 |
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| jbailey | I haven't a hope of keeping it all in my heda. | 12:12 |
| jbailey | s/heda/head/ | 12:12 |
| jbailey | Especially when trying to match braces, or make sure that semicolons are lined up and such. | 12:13 |
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| jbailey | My biggest attraction to sendmail is usually that my mail config has no reason to be more than about 4 lines long. | 12:13 |
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| SEJeff | jbailey: The more difficult software is to configure, the higher the probability of misconfiguration. The higher the probability of misconfiguration, the lower the security. Most hacks come from misconfigured software | 12:14 |
| jbailey | Right. Your argument there seems in support of sendmail. | 12:14 |
| SEJeff | Surely that is rational | 12:14 |
| SEJeff | Easy configuration != sendmail | 12:15 |
| jbailey | I'm just looking. Literally a 3 line configuration file to act as a mail hub. | 12:16 |
| SEJeff | I would say that more lines that are easier to read is less prone to errors than less lines and more difficulty to read | 12:16 |
| SEJeff | In some ways, I equate sendmail to gnu hurd. It was designed overly complex from the start. That is it's main problem | 12:17 |
| jbailey | Mmm, I think GNU Hurd's failings are far simpler than that. =) | 12:17 |
| jbailey | I think that the maintainers of the software have never had any interest in seeing it finished. So they would never accept a hack to make it work, all patches had to be correct instead. | 12:18 |
| SEJeff | I was making a very loose analogy | 12:19 |
| jbailey | SEJeff: Ah. I was until recently one of the main debian hurd-i386 porters. =) | 12:19 |
| SEJeff | Sendmail works very well. It is just grossly "over-engineered" | 12:19 |
| SEJeff | nice | 12:19 |
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| SEJeff | If it was designed to be a bit more simple from the beginning (similar to qmail) it likely would have had less security problems | 12:20 |
| jbailey | I truly think that sendmail's security history stems more from the fact that until the mid 90's noone cared about programming securely. | 12:21 |
| SEJeff | You are right, but a simpler codebase is easier to audit | 12:22 |
| jbailey | And by the mid 90's sendmail was old enough to have acquired *alot* of history. =) | 12:22 |
| SEJeff | true true | 12:22 |
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| marian | z600cups-1.0-1.gz.sh | 12:49 |
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| GnuKemist | ogra, hi... busy? | 01:12 |
| GnuKemist | stub, hi... u around? | 01:13 |
| stub | ? | 01:13 |
| GnuKemist | stub, I'm OgMaciel | 01:13 |
| GnuKemist | stub, we talked last night | 01:13 |
| GnuKemist | stub, about changing my email | 01:14 |
| GnuKemist | in launchpad | 01:14 |
| GnuKemist | remember me? | 01:14 |
| stub | Sure | 01:15 |
| GnuKemist | stub, can I pvt? | 01:15 |
| stub | pervert? | 01:17 |
| GnuKemist | private | 01:18 |
| GnuKemist | hehe | 01:18 |
| \sh | tstststs | 01:18 |
| stub | Sure | 01:18 |
| GnuKemist | \sh, hi | 01:18 |
| \sh | hey og :) how's life? | 01:18 |
| GnuKemist | \sh, so far so cold... =) | 01:18 |
| GnuKemist | \sh, you? | 01:18 |
| \sh | hehee.... | 01:18 |
| \sh | GnuKemist: see planet...and excuse my words :) | 01:19 |
| GnuKemist | \sh, hold on | 01:19 |
| GnuKemist | \sh, read this in the meantime... =) http://blog.ogmaciel.com/?p=28 | 01:20 |
| GnuKemist | \sh, that really sucks man... all I can say is wish you a better job next time... I sort of did the same about 15 months ago | 01:21 |
| \sh | GnuKemist: hmmm....is portugese? I can understand "apri of 2006" | 01:21 |
| GnuKemist | hehe | 01:21 |
| GnuKemist | \sh, sent you the portuguese version | 01:22 |
| GnuKemist | hehe | 01:22 |
| GnuKemist | sorry | 01:22 |
| GnuKemist | hold up | 01:22 |
| GnuKemist | \sh, here... http://www.ogmaciel.com/?p=219 | 01:22 |
| \sh | GnuKemist: the job was good and the people were good as well..but those new bosses..with their non human attitude ... sorry..not my thing...and I told myself, be honest | 01:22 |
| GnuKemist | \sh, but feel free to ask me anything in portuguese ;) | 01:22 |
| GnuKemist | \sh, you know... unfortunately I ended up at another place where they treat people like garbage... it is paying the bills... =/ | 01:23 |
| GnuKemist | stub, can anybody help me with my issue? | 01:24 |
| \sh | GnuKemist: well...it's "bom dia" right now :) | 01:24 |
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| GnuKemist | \sh, yup... but for me (UTC - 5) is actually "boa noite" | 01:24 |
| mdke | GnuKemist, #launchpad? | 01:25 |
| \sh | GnuKemist: "bom dia" == good morning, right? | 01:25 |
| GnuKemist | mdke, went there already... thanx | 01:25 |
| GnuKemist | \sh, yup... boa noite == good evening | 01:26 |
| mdke | GnuKemist, they are the only people who can help with launchpad problems | 01:26 |
| Kamion | if anyone cares to figure out why the current installer images can't manage to reboot (ctrl-alt-del, or when you reach the end of the first stage), please be my guest | 01:26 |
| === Kamion -> bed | ||
| daniels | Kamion: 'nacht | 01:26 |
| GnuKemist | mdke, thanks... I was told to look for elmo but was also talking to stub ... will move on with the subject though... ;) | 01:27 |
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| \sh | good night.. | 01:33 |
| GnuKemist | \sh_away, night | 01:33 |
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| mjg59 | mono-best: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/beagle/libbeagleuiglue.so: undefined symbol: _ZN13nsCOMPtr_base25assign_from_gs_contractidE24nsGetServiceByContractIDRK4nsID | 02:18 |
| mjg59 | Nngh. | 02:18 |
| mjg59 | What is it with mono and shlibs breakage? | 02:18 |
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| ajmitch | mjg59: it might be firefox love | 02:27 |
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| ajmitch | we'll get beagle 0.1.3 in within a couple of days, I think | 02:28 |
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| lamont-away | jbailey: grep -ve ^# -e ^$ /etc/postfix/main.cf | wc | 02:31 |
| lamont-away | 48 149 1564 | 02:31 |
| lamont-away | and that's a _complex_ config | 02:31 |
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| lamont-away | stock ubuntu config is about 12 lines long | 02:31 |
| sistpoty | elmo_: please sync childsplay from unstable, ubuntu override ok | 02:32 |
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| YokoZar | Is there a way to give a nonroot user permission to use ports below 1024? | 02:50 |
| lifeless | you can probably do that with SELinux, but why | 02:51 |
| TerminX | does anyone know offhand when the KDevelop packages might be rebuilt to work with the newer stuff in Dapper? | 02:53 |
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| sistpoty | TerminX: what do you mean with "work with the newer stuff in dapper"? | 02:55 |
| TerminX | kdevelop doesn't appear to be installable | 02:55 |
| TerminX | it looks like it hasn't been rebuilt with fixed dependencies and all that after the KDE 3.5 stuff went in | 02:56 |
| sistpoty | TerminX: since kdevelop is in universe, you might want to come to #ubuntu-motu and ask there | 02:57 |
| TerminX | ah | 02:58 |
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| jbailey | lamont-away: Right, my criticism of bad configs was more targetted at exim than postfix. | 03:09 |
| jbailey | lamont-away: In postfix I couldn't figure out how to do some of the things I wanted, but I suspect that was me not finding the documentation rather than it not being possible. | 03:10 |
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| spacey_ki | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxNewVersion | 03:38 |
| spacey_ki | :o | 03:38 |
| spacey_ki | mozilla ffox faster then ubuntu build? | 03:39 |
| jdong | spacey_ki: not necessarily | 03:39 |
| jdong | spacey_ki: true for 1.0.x in Breezy | 03:39 |
| jdong | spacey_ki: untrue for any other builds for any other versions or any other releases | 03:39 |
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| calc | anyone here happen to know why gdm would work with MergedFB mode but gnome itself just clones the same screen for both monitors? | 04:05 |
| currios84 | x | 04:08 |
| calc | currios84: do you know how to properly setup MergedFB? | 04:08 |
| calc | i did the way i read on ubuntuforums but it doesn't seem to work for gnome itself, just for gdm :\ | 04:08 |
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| jamesh | calc: the xorg ATI drivers? | 04:17 |
| jamesh | I have this in the device section of xorg.conf: Option "CRT2Position" "RightOf" | 04:18 |
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| jamesh | I've also got CRT2HSync, CRT2VRefresh and MetaModes set | 04:19 |
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| calc | Section "Device" Identifier "ATI Radeon 9600" Driver "ati" BusID "PCI:1:0:0" Option "MergedFB" "true" Option "CRT2Position" "RightOf" Option "OverlayOnCRTC2" "true" | 04:31 |
| calc | EndSection | 04:31 |
| calc | that is what i have on mine | 04:31 |
| calc | i'm using the open source drivers for 9600 | 04:31 |
| calc | that are part of xorg in dapper | 04:31 |
| calc | MetaMode is required for it to work | 04:40 |
| calc | it would be nice if the manpage mentioned it must be defined... or else its cloned | 04:40 |
| calc | this dual head is at the limits of sanity | 04:45 |
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| wasabi | Odd. I'm a bit curious why I have libc 2.3.5-6 installed... when the latest in Dapper is 2.3.5-1ubuntu17 | 05:24 |
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| infinity | Installed from sid? | 05:26 |
| wasabi | Not sure. | 05:26 |
| wasabi | I don't know why I would have done that. | 05:26 |
| wasabi | The most I've ever had from sid was the deb-src lines. | 05:26 |
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| wasabi | Heh. highend and lowend kernels. | 05:57 |
| wasabi | Interesting seperation. | 05:57 |
| infinity | We were having a hard time coming up with good names to describe what they were meant for. :) | 05:59 |
| wasabi | One of these days there will be one kernel to rule them all. | 06:00 |
| wasabi | With all this special core stuff in modules. | 06:00 |
| infinity | If we used something meaningless like "Server" and "Enterprise Server", users would all just go and install the latter, assuming it has "cool enterprise features!" | 06:00 |
| infinity | In reality, the highend server kernel is for almost no one. Wankload of CPUs, gobs of RAM, NUMA support, etc. | 06:00 |
| === HrdwrBoB raises hand - I need that one | ||
| infinity | You'd be one of the few. :) | 06:02 |
| infinity | server-lowend will be fine for me. | 06:02 |
| HrdwrBoB | well realistically I need both | 06:02 |
| infinity | 8 CPUs, 32G of RAM... | 06:02 |
| HrdwrBoB | depending on the boxes | 06:03 |
| infinity | If I had kit bigger than that, I'd be pretty happy, but... | 06:03 |
| HrdwrBoB | surely lowend has numa support for amd64 | 06:03 |
| infinity | Why would it need to? | 06:04 |
| HrdwrBoB | because it would be faster? | 06:06 |
| infinity | ... | 06:08 |
| infinity | Does Linux actually keep track of which CPU owns the memory? | 06:09 |
| infinity | My understanding of amd64 was that, despite the memory controller being embedded in the CPUs, the system presented the RAM as one massive block. | 06:10 |
| infinity | But, I'll admit I haven't done much amd64 SMP. | 06:10 |
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| infinity | Ahh, some quick googling shows I'm mistaken and Linux can actually do NUMA on amd64 kit. Neat. | 06:11 |
| HrdwrBoB | I guess it depends on your definition of lowend | 06:13 |
| wasabi | SO what is NUMA anyways? | 06:19 |
| wasabi | Wait I can just look that up. | 06:19 |
| wasabi | gg lazyweb | 06:19 |
| infinity | HrdwrBoB : Well, our definition of lowend is pretty "high" to most people. | 06:22 |
| infinity | HrdwrBoB : Perhaps we should discuss this in #ubuntu-kernel at some point. | 06:22 |
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| infinity | HrdwrBoB : For one thing< I'd like to see benchmarks of plain SMP versus NUMA on amd64 systems, since NUMA is an option there, not a necessity. | 06:23 |
| infinity | (As opposed to other systems, where no NUMA means no RAM, or missing lots of it) | 06:23 |
| infinity | s/amd64 systems/lowend amd64 systems/ | 06:24 |
| infinity | I'm sure there are some crazy highend amd64 configurations that NEED NUMA. | 06:24 |
| infinity | I'm not so sure we boot on them. :) | 06:24 |
| HrdwrBoB | infinity: well I have a few single amd64 computers | 06:25 |
| HrdwrBoB | most of the servers are dual cpu, the higher end ones are dualcore-two way | 06:25 |
| HrdwrBoB | given the relative cheapness of an smp opteron box | 06:26 |
| HrdwrBoB | I would class a single amd64 machine as a desktop level machine, and a two way dualcore a low end server | 06:26 |
| HrdwrBoB | a high end server would be 4+ dualcore CPUs | 06:26 |
| fabbione | morning | 06:26 |
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| === infinity curses CUPS and anything even vaguely related to it. | ||
| HrdwrBoB | er... does anyone here use a HP DL385 and have a few minutes? | 06:43 |
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| bob2_ | how do I tell totem and firefox to never evr ever try to load the plugin to play movies? | 06:49 |
| bob2_ | all it appear to do is crash firefox | 06:49 |
| jdub | bob2_: view and edit actions on the downloads page | 06:53 |
| jdub | bob2_: turn off the plugins | 06:53 |
| fabbione | hey jdub | 06:54 |
| jdub | yo fabbione | 06:54 |
| fabbione | jdub: got a minute for me? | 06:54 |
| jdub | sure! | 06:54 |
| fabbione | cool | 06:54 |
| jdub | sineine made your list during the server transition btw, if you didn't already know | 06:54 |
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| === infinity wonders how long start-stop-daemon has been broken.. | ||
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| dholbach | hellas | 08:13 |
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| torkel | HrdwrBoB: depends on the question :-) | 08:31 |
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| wanglei1123 | hello? | 08:36 |
| wanglei1123 | is anyone here? | 08:36 |
| crimsun | (yes?) | 08:36 |
| wanglei1123 | hi , is anyone can help me answer my question? | 08:37 |
| Mithrandir | probably not, since you don't ask it. | 08:37 |
| wanglei1123 | :) | 08:37 |
| Mithrandir | and also, this is not a support channel, so if it's not development related, please use #ubuntu instead. | 08:37 |
| wanglei1123 | i wanna know , what script do the hardware scaning of installing ubuntu | 08:37 |
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| wanglei1123 | and what scripts recognize your scsi device and modprobe it ? | 08:38 |
| fabbione | wanglei1123: there is no such script.. it's all done by kernel/hotplug/udev | 08:39 |
| wanglei1123 | and what scripts recognize your scsi device and modprobe it when you installing ubuntu system, thank you sooo much !: ) | 08:39 |
| fabbione | it's all kind of "automatic" | 08:39 |
| Mithrandir | udev just acts on the information exported by the kernel and available hardware | 08:39 |
| wanglei1123 | udev and detect , recognize and modprobe my scsi device ? | 08:40 |
| infinity | I've come to the conclusion that concordia is too slow. | 08:40 |
| Mithrandir | infinity: I told you that a long time ago, didn't I? :-P | 08:40 |
| infinity | Yes, well, I made the mistake of building something there. | 08:40 |
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| infinity | Because my girlfriend's actually using her computer. How dare she. | 08:41 |
| wanglei1123 | hi everyone ,does udev and detect , recognize and modprobe my scsi device ? | 08:41 |
| infinity | s/and detect// | 08:41 |
| wanglei1123 | ? it doesn't make sense to me :( | 08:42 |
| wanglei1123 | fabbione: does udev can detect , recognize and modprobe my scsi device ? | 08:43 |
| fabbione | wanglei1123: stop flooding this channel | 08:43 |
| fabbione | we already answered your question | 08:43 |
| wanglei1123 | sorry ....... | 08:43 |
| fabbione | no actually i did | 08:43 |
| calc | anyone happen to know when usb hotplug mounting was added to ubuntu? i tried 4.10 live/install and 5.04 live so far and they don't actually mount | 08:43 |
| fabbione | or Mithrandir | 08:43 |
| wanglei1123 | but it still don't make sense to me ........ | 08:43 |
| calc | i'm looking for what it does to add it to a custom debian dist | 08:44 |
| wanglei1123 | Mithrandir: hi :) | 08:44 |
| wanglei1123 | Mithrandir: hi : ) | 08:44 |
| calc | but upon looking for it i can't seem to make it work :\ | 08:44 |
| jdub | calc: it worked with warty | 08:44 |
| calc | i wonder if its some kind of weird interaction with vmware | 08:45 |
| calc | i'm running ubuntu under vmware where i am doing the testing (at work) | 08:45 |
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| wanglei1123 | ... | 08:47 |
| wanglei1123 | anyone.... | 08:48 |
| crimsun | wanglei1123: please migrate to #ubuntu. Your question has been answered already. | 08:48 |
| calc | crimsun: hi :) | 08:48 |
| crimsun | 'lo calc | 08:49 |
| calc | crimsun: i found out recently i may have more time to work on linux again :) | 08:49 |
| wanglei1123 | crimsun: thanks so much : ) | 08:49 |
| calc | i'm going to be working with one of my friends at a company he started, so i won't have a commute anymore :) | 08:50 |
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| pitti | Hi | 09:28 |
| crimsun | 'morning pitti :) | 09:28 |
| pitti | Hi crimsun | 09:30 |
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| siretart | fabbione: do you have some wmv files so that I can test mplayer/amd64? | 09:38 |
| siretart | morning, btw ;) | 09:38 |
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| fabbione | siretart: i think the last mplayer is FTBFS on amd64 | 09:40 |
| fabbione | indeed | 09:40 |
| siretart | fabbione: ok. will look into this now | 09:41 |
| fabbione | siretart: thanks. the culprit is to enable the w32codecs support. it's working fine from marillat archive, so i assume the fact that you disabled it at random have broken the stuff :) | 09:42 |
| siretart | fabbione: I think the marillat package build just by sheer luck. The build system slomo did is WAY saner | 09:45 |
| fabbione | siretart: well.. it FTBFS ;) | 09:46 |
| siretart | fabbione: first, I will fix the ftbfs, then I will compare our mplayer package with how marillat builds on amd64 | 09:46 |
| fabbione | siretart: ok :=) | 09:46 |
| siretart | fabbione: do you have a media file for me to test afterwards? | 09:46 |
| fabbione | yes | 09:49 |
| fabbione | just any wvm you find on the net | 09:49 |
| fabbione | none of them play video | 09:49 |
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| siretart | fabbione: suprisingly, marillat does not compile with --enable-win32 on amd64. now I'm a bit confused.. | 10:14 |
| fabbione | siretart: ok, i will debug it and send you a patch | 10:18 |
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| siretart | fabbione: I have found a wmv now, which can be played in both mplayers! | 10:21 |
| siretart | the new one and the one from breezy | 10:22 |
| siretart | fabbione: but it is wmv8. there seem indeed to be problems with wmv9 | 10:24 |
| fabbione | yes that's correct | 10:24 |
| siretart | fabbione: for me, the correct solution seems to be the same approach as for openoffice: introduce a mplayer32 package for amd64, which is compiled in 32bit | 10:25 |
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| Mithrandir | siretart: that's very, very crackful. | 10:26 |
| fabbione | siretart: dude.. it was working.. there is no need of mplayer32 or something | 10:26 |
| siretart | I tried a wmv9 file (I only have one here), but the breezy mplayer had problems with that, too | 10:26 |
| Mithrandir | : tfheen@thosu ~ > ldd /usr/bin/mplayer | wc -l | 10:26 |
| Mithrandir | 90 | 10:26 |
| Mithrandir | you don't want to provide a 32 bit libkrb5support for mplayer, do you? | 10:26 |
| fabbione | siretart: probably i was using the marillat one in breezy.. check with that | 10:26 |
| siretart | fabbione: will do | 10:27 |
| siretart | Mithrandir: wtf mplayer needs krb5?! | 10:27 |
| fabbione | siretart: otherwise just gimme time.. mplayer is not first priority for me | 10:27 |
| fabbione | to fix at least ;) | 10:27 |
| Mithrandir | siretart: it is linked to something which is linked to something which is linked to kerberos, I guess. | 10:27 |
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| fabbione | ldd /usr/bin/mplayer | 10:28 |
| fabbione | libporn.so.0 => /usr/share/porn/libporn... | 10:29 |
| fabbione | ;) | 10:29 |
| Mithrandir | you, you, FHS-rampager | 10:29 |
| siretart | lol | 10:29 |
| fabbione | Mithrandir: the "share" was NOT a case :P | 10:29 |
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| dholbach | elmo_: please sync libglademm2.4 from sid, ok to override, thank you | 10:40 |
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| ogra | whops | 10:40 |
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| siretart | fabbione: I just installed the original marillat mplayer binary on my amd64 system, and it is not able to play wmv9, too | 10:47 |
| siretart | and this was painful! | 10:47 |
| fabbione | siretart: ok i will look at it myself.. don't worry. thanks | 10:48 |
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| pitti | Riddell: here? | 10:50 |
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| siretart | fabbione: please let me know what you find out. every fucking webforum in the web claims that the only way to view wmv9 on amd64 is to compile a 32bit binary (which doesn't seem to be that hard, even suse lusers seem to manage it) | 10:52 |
| fabbione | ahahah | 10:52 |
| fabbione | ok | 10:52 |
| siretart | and I didn't succeed to play a wmv9 video with breezy's mplayer, like you claim. so now I'm a bit confused | 10:52 |
| ajmitch | hi | 10:53 |
| siretart | hi ajmitch | 10:53 |
| fabbione | siretart: the main issue for me is to roll back to breezy to test | 10:54 |
| fabbione | siretart: i only have one amd64 | 10:54 |
| fabbione | and it's doh.. running dapper | 10:54 |
| fabbione | ;) | 10:54 |
| siretart | fabbione: I'd love to upgrade my amd64 box to dapper, but I really need the *caugh* nvidia binary drivers *caugh* | 10:55 |
| fabbione | siretart: they work.. | 10:55 |
| fabbione | i am using them | 10:55 |
| siretart | they do? | 10:55 |
| fabbione | infinity: made them a while ago | 10:55 |
| fabbione | yeps | 10:55 |
| ajmitch | apparantly | 10:55 |
| siretart | cool! | 10:55 |
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| fabbione | ajmitch: i am using them as we speak | 10:56 |
| fabbione | i am force to use them actually | 10:56 |
| siretart | hmmmmm :) | 10:56 |
| fabbione | otherwise my 3 heads setup doesn't work | 10:56 |
| ajmitch | ah | 10:56 |
| fabbione | speaking of which.. | 10:56 |
| ajmitch | 3 sounds nice | 10:56 |
| fabbione | this weekend i could plug another 3 heads | 10:56 |
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| ajmitch | another 3? how big a desk do you have? | 10:57 |
| siretart | fabbione: so you are hacking on multiseat? | 10:57 |
| fabbione | ajmitch: big | 10:57 |
| fabbione | siretart: no. it's just my fancy workstation | 10:57 |
| siretart | ah | 10:57 |
| fabbione | ajmitch: they would be 2 rows by 3 | 10:57 |
| ajmitch | my desk is only big enough for 2 monitors :) | 10:57 |
| fabbione | ajmitch: well i did hack my desk too ;) | 10:57 |
| fabbione | there is a kitchen table 3 cm thick on top of a normal desk | 10:58 |
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| fabbione | that helps in space and to distribute the weight along all desk | 10:58 |
| ajmitch | if I moved the spare computer I could fit another couple of screens on it | 10:58 |
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| lbm | slomo_: around? | 11:09 |
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| stewski | hi any edubuntu developers in | 11:11 |
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| fabbione | stewski: #edubuntu is probably a better place to ask :) | 11:12 |
| stewski | cheers Im in there too | 11:13 |
| stewski | just found this review http://www.bloggingbaby.com/entry/1234000340071196/ | 11:13 |
| dholbach | haha :) | 11:13 |
| stewski | might be useful feedback, just wanted to say keep up the amazing work | 11:13 |
| dholbach | stewski: i laughed, because it had the wrong observation about ogra being mr. shuttleworth :) | 11:14 |
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| stewski | ah yeah I didnt pay much notice to that | 11:14 |
| stewski | I thought edu was primarily targeted at schools not home users (at the moment) | 11:15 |
| dholbach | stewski: but thanks for your words of praise, ogra will appreciate them | 11:15 |
| ajmitch | ogra = mark? haha | 11:15 |
| stewski | but fairly objective feedback I thought? | 11:15 |
| dholbach | (as everybody else who is involved) | 11:15 |
| ogra | i thin its corrected now .... at least the author said so in a mail last night | 11:16 |
| ajmitch | morning ogra :) | 11:16 |
| ajmitch | ogra: just think what fun you could have if you could sign his cheques ;) | 11:16 |
| stewski | lmao | 11:16 |
| ogra | ajmitch, he said it would be ok with him, but i'd have to take *all* his mail :P | 11:17 |
| stewski | I'm hoping to become a teacher and take ubu to school | 11:17 |
| stewski | s | 11:17 |
| dholbach | ogra: and you could hack on launchpad for him :) | 11:17 |
| ajmitch | dholbach: don't be so evil | 11:18 |
| ogra | heh | 11:18 |
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| stewski | any tips for where to go to find out about setting edubuntu up as a LTSP thin client set up? | 11:19 |
| ogra | http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuInstallNotes | 11:20 |
| ogra | its done by default, you only need to edit one file post install ... | 11:21 |
| stewski | really sounds too good to be true :-) | 11:22 |
| ogra | heh | 11:22 |
| stewski | better get some space on my pcs and test this out | 11:23 |
| ogra | unlike the article claims, we dont target the home market in first place ;) thats only an addon ... | 11:23 |
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| ogra | our main target is the ltsp managed classroom ;) | 11:23 |
| stewski | do you target at school hardware at all? Research Machines etc? | 11:23 |
| stewski | yeah I thought the article was kind of ascue for that, first schools later parents/home? | 11:24 |
| ogra | later we'll also do that ... thats only our first release, so a single classroom was targeted... we'll grow over releses | 11:24 |
| ogra | the current CD has both options (school and home) its just that chool is the default ;) | 11:24 |
| ogra | *school | 11:25 |
| stewski | Im thinking when in the UK weee directive comes in there will be plenty of PC recycling going on, should give the cause a real boost here at least | 11:25 |
| ogra | yeah :) | 11:25 |
| stewski | cool do you have anything to do with the cutter project? | 11:25 |
| ogra | nope, never heard of it ... | 11:26 |
| stewski | http://www.cutterproject.co.uk/ | 11:26 |
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| stewski | Im studying at the moment but putting together details for FLOSS in schools in the UK | 11:27 |
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| stewski | there have already been a couple of excellent examples, but I see what you guys as doing taking it to a new level | 11:28 |
| ogra | ah, yes i remember, there is a guy sometimes in #edubuntu from the cutter project | 11:28 |
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| pitti | Riddell: I found yet another flaw in the xpdf patch; when you arrive, can you please ping me? then we sort out the patch together | 11:31 |
| stewski | xpdf and pdf handling in general under linux seems rather weak, or am I mising something? | 11:32 |
| pitti | stewski: define weak? | 11:32 |
| stewski | sorry yeah not helpful I know | 11:32 |
| stewski | copying text not possible | 11:32 |
| pitti | xpdf, poppler, evince, pdflatex, openoffice - they all deal well with PDFs | 11:33 |
| stewski | difficult to do anything with pdfs other than view | 11:33 |
| ogra | pitti, where is the reason for xpdf ? i thought we had switched everything to evince in breezy already | 11:33 |
| pitti | stewski: oh, yesterday I impressed my flatmate with that - I wrote 100 lines of python which take a PDF telephone bill and calculate the costs for the three people that use it :) | 11:34 |
| pitti | ogra: it's still in main in warty and hoary, and we can't change that :) | 11:34 |
| pitti | ogra: and the same code is in poppler, warty's cups, and kpdf and koffice | 11:34 |
| pitti | ... and tetex | 11:35 |
| ogra | sure, if you finally finish your time machine we can ! | 11:35 |
| pitti | ogra: then I had to fix poppler instead of xpdf in warty and hoary, which doesn't make it any different :) | 11:35 |
| dholbach | ogra: the time machine is just a big box and around 100 lines of python code, pitti will make it happen | 11:35 |
| pitti | heh | 11:36 |
| pitti | we could fix vulns even before they appear in the wild :) | 11:36 |
| ogra | dholbach, i guess the box is the problem here :) | 11:36 |
| pitti | right at the time the author writes a vulnerable piece of code, we can retroactively hit him with a cluebat | 11:36 |
| dholbach | nono, that's easy too | 11:36 |
| stewski | a right I saw pdflatex but in terms of gui tools that work with pdf I seemed to have problems just grabbing a bit of text | 11:37 |
| stewski | although fair point could be user err | 11:37 |
| pitti | stewski: what's wrong with copy&paste from evince? | 11:37 |
| pitti | stewski: if you need the whole text with or without layout, pdftotext does fine; pdftohtml works well, too | 11:37 |
| stewski | thnx a bundle, jsut not aware of them | 11:38 |
| pitti | stewski: but if you look for something like Acrobat, then we have to disappoint you | 11:38 |
| stewski | well not having acrobats not a biggy | 11:38 |
| dholbach | how well does scribus work with that? | 11:38 |
| pitti | there is a reason Adobe can charge a good chunk of money for it (and it's indeed a good piece of software) | 11:38 |
| pitti | but most people don't need acrobat for the tasks they want to do | 11:39 |
| stewski | does evince handle pdf ona default ubuntu? | 11:39 |
| pitti | stealing a picture from a PDF, or a chunk of text can be done with less effort | 11:39 |
| pitti | sure | 11:39 |
| ogra | yup | 11:39 |
| stewski | oh my install mustve got monkeyd with :-) mines going for xpdf | 11:39 |
| stewski | cant think who couldve done that :-0 | 11:40 |
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| ogra | which version is that ? | 11:40 |
| ogra | the older ones used xpdf | 11:40 |
| stewski | 5.04 upgrade to 5.10 | 11:40 |
| ogra | ah, and you forgot ubuntu-desktop before upgrading ? | 11:40 |
| pitti | stewski: I assume you removed ubuntu-desktop? | 11:40 |
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| stewski | I didnt think I missed that but it possible | 11:41 |
| dholbach | seb128: ! | 11:41 |
| ajmitch | hey seb128 | 11:41 |
| \sh | ok...time to get up..have a shower pack the rest of the company notebook stuff and go to my ex-office...get my ass whipped | 11:41 |
| ogra | tsk, seb128 what about your holiday you addict ... | 11:41 |
| stewski | gotta dash like I say, you guys are good eggs one and all! and thanks for the tips | 11:41 |
| pitti | we are 'good eggs'? is that good or bad? | 11:42 |
| ogra | heh | 11:42 |
| pitti | :) | 11:42 |
| ajmitch | good, I hope | 11:42 |
| ogra | i was wondering too | 11:42 |
| \sh | it's xmas time not easter time :) so we are good donkeys but not good eggs :) | 11:43 |
| seb128 | hey everybody | 11:44 |
| pitti | Hi seb218 | 11:44 |
| pitti | and seb128, too :) | 11:44 |
| ogra | hi seb128 :) | 11:45 |
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| lunitik | Is there any way you could sink packages from wine.sf.net 's debian repo, instead of mainstream Debian? They are far more recent, it would be much appreciated. | 12:40 |
| lunitik | I tried to file this as a feature request via bugzilla... but launchpad doesn't make it very obvious in regards to how to file this... | 12:42 |
| Kamion | err ... we already do? | 12:42 |
| Kamion | wine | 0.9-1 | unstable | source, i386 | 12:42 |
| Kamion | wine | 0.0.20050725-0ubuntu1 | dapper/universe | source, i386 | 12:43 |
| Kamion | somebody might need to update them but we certainly aren't tracking Debian for wine | 12:43 |
| Kamion | Scott Ritchie's looking after those | 12:43 |
| lunitik | Kamion: hmm... I searched packages.ubuntu.com, and it doesn't list the 0.9.x series? | 12:43 |
| Kamion | oh, hang on, 0.0.20050725 < 0.9, hmm | 12:43 |
| Kamion | talk to Scott Ritchie | 12:43 |
| dholbach | YokoZar is his ircnick | 12:43 |
| Kamion | lunitik: "unstable" => Debian not Ubuntu | 12:44 |
| YokoZar | hi | 12:44 |
| lunitik | Kamion: he maintains the Ubuntu packages? because if Ubuntu is sinking with Debian, its taking forever to get in.... | 12:44 |
| sladen | aren't the wine packages coming *directly* from the winehq guys, because they had so much trouble pushing them to Debian? | 12:44 |
| YokoZar | It's taking forever since I don't have my key signed until the holidays | 12:44 |
| Kamion | sladen: yes | 12:44 |
| lunitik | Kamion: sinking with *his* archive would surely make things better? | 12:44 |
| YokoZar | Yes. Speaking of which, I just put up a new package a few hours ago (0.9.3) | 12:44 |
| Kamion | lunitik: "syncing", and yes elmo could do that if requested and if it didn't require Ubuntu-specific modifications | 12:45 |
| lunitik | Kamion: his packages are stable ime, however, its it'd be more convenient to not have to add his repo every time... | 12:45 |
| YokoZar | I saw no rush to do so, since I assumed I'd find some sap to sign my key in time, heh | 12:45 |
| YokoZar | (get elmo to do it that is) | 12:45 |
| lunitik | Kamion: if you could please look into that and talk to him about it, it would be much appreciated... I'm banned from #ubuntu since a few months ago, so don't have much contact with the community lately :/ | 12:46 |
| YokoZar | lunitik: I'm right here duder | 12:46 |
| Kamion | lunitik: no, I can't | 12:46 |
| ogra | lunitik, until YokoZar can take over in ubuntu, \sh might be your best bet to talk to, he cared for the breezy and dapper packages so far | 12:47 |
| Kamion | lunitik: I was just helping you out, I don't want to become responsible for it | 12:47 |
| YokoZar | I don't see what the rush is anyway | 12:47 |
| lunitik | YokoZar: ahh, my mistake... hah... any chance of that... simply installing the packages on Ubuntu dapper works fine (other than not editing gnome menu), so it shouldn't be _that_ much work :P | 12:47 |
| YokoZar | if the packages at winehq don't work in Dapper I'd like to know | 12:48 |
| YokoZar | They should work | 12:48 |
| ogra | lunitik, \sh will be able to request the sync from winehq ... | 12:48 |
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| lunitik | YokoZar: they do... winehq.com points you to wine.sf.net packages if you click on Ubuntu packages, so we are refering to the same thing :) | 12:48 |
| Kamion | winehq isn't listed in josie (the sync script) so evidently no-one has yet done a direct sync | 12:49 |
| YokoZar | Well they're built against breezy at the moment, not dapper | 12:49 |
| Kamion | syncs are sourcewise not binarywise; they'd be rebuilt on our buildds | 12:49 |
| ogra | Kamion, i know \sh uses only the winehq packages ... | 12:49 |
| YokoZar | Right | 12:49 |
| lunitik | YokoZar: they still work fine... GNOME menu issues appear to be upstream because it doesn't work on any distro.... | 12:49 |
| ogra | we talked about it several times ... probably elmo syncs the manually or something ... | 12:50 |
| YokoZar | Basically a sync shouldn't be needed since putting in the package is something I should do after I get my car back and drive to a key party o'er the holidays | 12:50 |
| Kamion | ogra: that seems highly unlikely | 12:50 |
| ogra | strange | 12:50 |
| YokoZar | lunitik: Yes, this is known | 12:50 |
| ogra | sad \sh isnt here to answer ... | 12:50 |
| YokoZar | If you play video games, you use the latest Wine ;) | 12:50 |
| Kamion | ogra: josie has a huge load of listings for other sites. why on earth would elmo sync them manually when he has a very configurable script he wrote to do it for him? | 12:50 |
| YokoZar | What do we track other than Debian unstable? | 12:51 |
| ogra | Kamion, i dont know elmos sync practise, i was just guessing ... they have to come in somehow ... | 12:51 |
| === lunitik mumbles something about getting him unbanned from #ubuntu while he's at it.... 3 months ban for questioning someone is kinda dumb, the ubuntu code of conduct etc states that arguments happen, but should be avoided.... continual things will be dealt with, mine wasn't, 98% of the time, I was helpful :/ | ||
| ogra | YokoZar, do you already have your launchpad account and wikipage ready for becoming a member ? | 12:52 |
| YokoZar | pretty much, I might need to clean it up a bit though | 12:52 |
| YokoZar | I remember doing that stuff a few months ago | 12:52 |
| ogra | just because i dont seeyou on launchpad anywhere ;) | 12:52 |
| Kamion | YokoZar: far too many to list, mostly small archives picked up from apt-get.org synced into multiverse | 12:53 |
| YokoZar | lunitik: don't bring it here, bring it to forums | 12:53 |
| YokoZar | ogra: I've filed a launchpad spec... | 12:53 |
| lunitik | YokoZar: alright, sorry. | 12:53 |
| Kamion | blackdown, marillat, mythtv, xfce are notable ones | 12:53 |
| infinity | ogra : Uhm, it's pretty obvious from the version number that wine isn't synced at all, it's hand-merged. | 12:53 |
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| YokoZar | ahh | 12:53 |
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| ogra | infinity, ah ... that explains it ... | 12:54 |
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| ogra | didnt look at the version no | 12:54 |
| dholbach | :) | 12:54 |
| YokoZar | version "OLD" | 12:54 |
| infinity | YokoZar : I was referring to the -XubuntuX .. :) | 12:54 |
| mvo | Keybuk: hello! do you have any plans to switch to bzr for dpkg eventually? | 12:54 |
| lunitik | YokoZar: where exactly? I don't see a relavent forum? | 12:54 |
| dholbach | lunitik: talk to Seveas, crimsun, tritium, somebody else who is op? | 12:55 |
| Keybuk | mvo: yeah, eventually ... probably when I next sit down and hack on it | 12:55 |
| Keybuk | I have plans to do it over the christmas break | 12:55 |
| lunitik | dholbach: Seveas banned me for a personal dispute :/ | 12:56 |
| mvo | Keybuk: nice, I talked to bubulle about it today because I would like to switch apt to it too (after my last "fun" with baz I'm feed up) | 12:56 |
| dholbach | lunitik: then talk to him - this is definitely the wrong place | 12:56 |
| lunitik | dholbach: pretty immature really... and the ban has been way drawn out :/ | 12:56 |
| ogra | that sounds highly unlikely | 12:56 |
| mvo | Keybuk: and apparently dpkg and apt are currently his only projects that use tla/baz | 12:56 |
| lunitik | dholbach: lots of ops here *cough*ogra*cough*, I think Seveas is /ignore'ing me :( | 12:57 |
| dholbach | lunitik: as i said... this is the wrong place | 12:57 |
| lunitik | dholbach: I understand that, YokoZar pointed me to the right place, however I don't know where, and I asked.... | 12:57 |
| ogra | lunitik, i wont unban people Seveas banned without knowing what was the issue, please talk to him, and pleas not in this channel as dholbach says | 12:58 |
| Keybuk | mvo: yeah, dpkg is now my only baz project | 12:58 |
| dholbach | apart from that, you can always mail | 12:58 |
| lunitik | ogra: Ask him to unignore me, and I will be more than happy to talk to him about it.... | 12:58 |
| Kamion | lunitik: #ubuntu-devel *is not an escalation channel for disputes in #ubuntu*. It is a development channel. *Please* respect that! | 01:00 |
| lunitik | blah, whatever though... I care too much imo, one less person willing to devote time to supporting users is affects Ubuntu, and saves me time :/ | 01:00 |
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| sivang | seb128: did you fix the panle application thingy? | 01:09 |
| sivang | (just asking) | 01:09 |
| seb128 | what "panle application thingy"? | 01:10 |
| seb128 | empty menu? | 01:10 |
| sivang | seb128: yes, and application menus that doesn open due to gam_server | 01:10 |
| seb128 | it opens, it has just no content :p | 01:10 |
| seb128 | and no | 01:11 |
| seb128 | I don't have the issue here | 01:11 |
| sivang | ah ok, then I need to upgrade at least it will open :) | 01:11 |
| seb128 | upgrade will not do anything | 01:11 |
| sivang | I need to restart panel? or kill and restart session? | 01:11 |
| seb128 | we have not changed anything for 2 weeks or so | 01:11 |
| seb128 | ? | 01:11 |
| seb128 | for what? | 01:11 |
| sivang | nono , sorry. my bad | 01:11 |
| sivang | ok, thankss | 01:11 |
| siretart | seb128: I just upgraded to dapper on my amd64 box, I'm not bitten by the bug there. strange, no? | 01:13 |
| === siretart lunch. cu | ||
| dholbach | siretart: bon apptit | 01:15 |
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| jdub | Kamion: bootchart-udeb for bootcharting installer/livecd? | 01:18 |
| pitti | crimsun: do you plan to fix osh for warty? | 01:20 |
| Kamion | jdub: yes, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveCDPerformance | 01:21 |
| Kamion | it only activates if you put 'bootchart' on the kernel command line (AIUI) | 01:22 |
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| jdub | Kamion: fun :) | 01:26 |
| jdub | Kamion: are we still doing the simplified livecd for dapper? | 01:27 |
| Riddell | pitti: there's new xpdf patches in KDE's SVN but not available through the security page yet and apparantly dirk is waiting on confirmation from the xpdf author | 01:27 |
| pitti | Riddell: he also asked on vsec for confirmation | 01:28 |
| pitti | jbailey: Hi Jeff, how are you? | 01:29 |
| jbailey | pitti: I'm ALIVE! | 01:30 |
| jbailey | pitti: I'm ALERT! | 01:30 |
| jbailey | I FEEL GREAT! | 01:30 |
| pitti | yay :) | 01:30 |
| jbailey | pitti: You? =) | 01:30 |
| fabbione | jbailey: time to stop smoking crack? ;) | 01:30 |
| jbailey | fabbione: Nah, occasionally I wake up really cheerful. | 01:30 |
| jbailey | fabbione: It's days like today that it's probably best that I work alone. =) | 01:30 |
| fabbione | jbailey: i am not going to suggest reasons why you wake up so cheerful :P | 01:31 |
| Kamion | jdub: so I believe; Mithrandir is taking care of that | 01:31 |
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| jdub | cool | 01:33 |
| pitti | jbailey: knee deep in patches :) | 01:33 |
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| jbailey | fabbione: You wouldn't want to be vain and say that it was from seeing your smiling face? =) | 01:34 |
| jdub | seb128: 'volume monitor' and 'recording level monitor' in 'sound & video' -> shouldn't be there anymore - should i file a bug for you? | 01:36 |
| Kamion | (yes, I think I've finished uploading apt-setup for now) | 01:41 |
| Keybuk | only two? that's not worth a daniels memorial award | 01:42 |
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| janimo | Keybuk, any reason why alsa-utils.rules is in /etc/udev and not under rules.d ? | 01:46 |
| Keybuk | yes, I haven't fixed it yet | 01:46 |
| janimo | I am trying to figure out why my ALSA card doesn;t work | 01:46 |
| janimo | OSS driver gets loaded before | 01:46 |
| Keybuk | I'll be attacking ALSA ~Monday/Tuesday | 01:46 |
| Keybuk | yes | 01:46 |
| janimo | i810 | 01:46 |
| janimo | ok thanks | 01:46 |
| Keybuk | sound cards are known broken currently | 01:46 |
| Keybuk | the OSS driver is loaded because the OSS blacklists haven't yet been rewritten as modprobe blacklist files | 01:47 |
| Keybuk | (they're still the old hotplug blacklist files) | 01:47 |
| janimo | ok, others said they have ALSA working so I thought I have an exception, glad it's not the case | 01:48 |
| Keybuk | once over that hurdle, you'll still find that the sound card mixer state, etc. aren't restored | 01:48 |
| Keybuk | nah, some people are just lucky | 01:48 |
| janimo | once this is done /etc/hotplug can go away I gues? | 01:48 |
| Keybuk | yes | 01:48 |
| janimo | ok rock on then :) | 01:48 |
| seb128 | jdub: no, get a buildd to kick the build back | 01:48 |
| seb128 | jdub: it failed to build due to ncb Depends issue which is fixed, just need a retry | 01:49 |
| seb128 | jdub: thanks for the reminder :) | 01:49 |
| seb128 | infinity, lamont-away: please give a retry to gnome-media | 01:49 |
| fabbione | jbailey: ehehe | 01:50 |
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| jdub | seb128: rawk | 01:59 |
| tseng | lo jdub | 01:59 |
| tseng | jdub: my mom ordered that 24" dell | 02:00 |
| jdub | raw | 02:01 |
| jdub | k | 02:01 |
| tseng | ya cant wait to see what that thing looks like | 02:01 |
| tseng | next to my "tiny" 20" | 02:01 |
| === ogra dies in envy ... | ||
| tseng | hi ogra :) | 02:02 |
| ogra | hey tseng, congrats :) | 02:02 |
| tseng | hm the 24 is hers :P | 02:02 |
| tseng | not even in the same town as me | 02:02 |
| ogra | ah, dmaned, i thought it was your christmas present ;) | 02:03 |
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| Kamion | Keybuk: three | 02:25 |
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| ogra | Kamion, did you intentional time it in exact 10min intervals ? :) | 02:29 |
| ogra | (the middle one differs in 1 sec thiugh ) | 02:29 |
| ogra | *though | 02:29 |
| jbailey | Hmm. Evolution needs address affinity. | 02:33 |
| jbailey | If I'm emailing with my @ubuntu.com address, it should prefer the recipients @ubuntu.com address. | 02:33 |
| ogra | yeah... thats a long missing feature | 02:33 |
| === ogra reboots to breezy to be able to burn CDs .... | ||
| janimo | ogra is the hwdb database accesible somewhere? | 02:39 |
| tseng | hwdb.ubuntu.com | 02:39 |
| janimo | thanks | 02:40 |
| Kamion | ogra_: queue/unchecked is processed from a cron job that runs every five minutes, so that isn't too surprising | 02:41 |
| janimo | not very detailed | 02:44 |
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| ogra_ | Kamion: /usr/bin/report-hw: 12: discover: not found | 03:10 |
| ogra_ | The final umounting fails | 03:10 |
| Kamion | ogra_: known, fixed in the archive | 03:12 |
| Kamion | the discover thing I'm ignoring, it doesn't matter | 03:12 |
| ogra_ | oki, fine | 03:12 |
| Kamion | fixed> busybox 1:1.01-3ubuntu5 | 03:13 |
| ogra_ | hmm... ltsp-client-builder is borked too :( .... doesnt find breezy on the CD .... how surprising | 03:13 |
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| Kamion | oh my god it's hardcoded in ltsp-build-client | 03:14 |
| Kamion | MDZ | 03:14 |
| Kamion | should be an option that ltsp-client-builder can fetch from mirror/codename in the installer | 03:14 |
| Kamion | (was mirror/suite in breezy) | 03:15 |
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| ogra | hmm, base config fails to configure postgresql-8.1 | 03:32 |
| ogra | pitti, ` | 03:32 |
| ogra | ? | 03:32 |
| mdke | mdz, ping? | 03:32 |
| pitti | ogra: again, why does base-config try to configure postgresql? | 03:32 |
| ogra | no idea ... | 03:32 |
| ogra | err | 03:33 |
| ogra | indeed | 03:33 |
| ogra | its edubuntu ;) | 03:33 |
| pitti | ogra: can you please show me the actual error message? | 03:34 |
| ogra | just trying to find it ... | 03:34 |
| mdke | mdz, i'll send you a query | 03:34 |
| seb128 | jdub: ping ? | 03:36 |
| ogra | pitti, there is not much :/ | 03:37 |
| ogra | dpkg: error processing postgresql-8.1 (--configure): | 03:37 |
| ogra | subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1 | 03:37 |
| pitti | hmm | 03:37 |
| ogra | directly below Setting up postgresql-8.1 (8.1.0-3) ... | 03:37 |
| pitti | which -common version do you have? | 03:37 |
| ogra | there are locale errors all over the place, does it depend on proper set up locales somehow ? | 03:38 |
| jdub | seb128: pong | 03:38 |
| ogra | (it works with the other packages...) | 03:38 |
| pitti | ogra: yes, a bit, but you should get more output in that case | 03:38 |
| seb128 | jdub: /j #ubuntu-desktop please | 03:38 |
| pitti | ogra: does apt-get -f install fix it? | 03:38 |
| pitti | ogra: if not, can you please add set -x to /var/lib/dpkg/info/postgresql-8.1.postinst and apt-get -f install again? | 03:39 |
| ogra | will do... | 03:39 |
| ogra | postgresql-common_36_all.deb btw | 03:39 |
| ogra | common and client seem to have worked fine | 03:40 |
| === ogra reboots to testinstall again | ||
| Mithrandir | jbailey: any reason why circular dependencies in initramfs exit 1's rather than giving you a panic shell? | 03:43 |
| jbailey | Mithrandir: Not that I can think of. | 03:44 |
| jbailey | Mithrandir: I probably wrote that before I wrote the panic shell logic. | 03:44 |
| Mithrandir | holy shit, it's booting. | 03:45 |
| zakame | whao | 03:46 |
| Keybuk | hmm, whatever happened to ... xsnow! | 03:49 |
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| Amaranth | Keybuk: It doesn't work with new DEs. :/ | 03:49 |
| Keybuk | aww | 03:50 |
| Keybuk | probably gets stuck on the top panel | 03:50 |
| Keybuk | or the big nautilus window of doom | 03:50 |
| Amaranth | it doesn't know how to tell nautilus to redraw | 03:50 |
| Amaranth | or something | 03:50 |
| BenC | anyone here have xfs and running dapper kernel? | 03:52 |
| BenC | if so, can you verify #6841 | 03:52 |
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| pitti | BenC: I do | 03:53 |
| ogra | pitti, http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/5555 | 03:53 |
| ogra | apt-get -f install doesnt help ... | 03:54 |
| pitti | ogra: ok, that's good | 03:54 |
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| pitti | ogra: does running the postinst with -x help? | 03:54 |
| ogra | phew ... | 03:54 |
| ogra | err, you mean set -x ? | 03:54 |
| Keybuk | BenC: doesn't happen here, I can strip 644 binaries | 03:55 |
| pitti | right | 03:55 |
| ogra | thats what i got with it | 03:55 |
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| pitti | BenC: works fine for me, too | 03:55 |
| Keybuk | I do get Permission Denied if the binary isn't writable ... but I expect to | 03:56 |
| ogra | seb128, dholbach, | 03:56 |
| ogra | Setting up gnome-terminal-data (2.12.0-0ubuntu2) ... | 03:56 |
| ogra | /var/lib/dpkg/info/gnome-terminal-data.postinst: line 19: gconftool-2: command not found | 03:56 |
| ogra | /var/lib/dpkg/info/gnome-terminal-data.postinst: line 19: gconftool-2: command not found | 03:56 |
| ogra | dpkg: error processing gnome-terminal-data (--configure): | 03:56 |
| ogra | subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 127 | 03:56 |
| ogra | known ? | 03:56 |
| Amaranth | it needs a dep on gconf? | 03:57 |
| pitti | ogra: ok, your locales seem to be busted | 03:57 |
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| ogra | pitti, yup | 03:57 |
| ogra | but should that affect the postinst ? | 03:57 |
| pitti | ogra: the postinst tries to create a database under en_US.UTF-8 | 03:57 |
| pitti | which is set as the default locale | 03:57 |
| pitti | but doesn't seem to exist | 03:57 |
| ogra | ah, k .... | 03:57 |
| pitti | language-pack-en should fix it | 03:57 |
| pitti | ogra: what does 'locale -a' say? does it complain? | 03:58 |
| ogra | locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory | 03:58 |
| ogra | locale: Cannot set LC_MESSAGES to default locale: No such file or directory | 03:58 |
| ogra | locale: Cannot set LC_COLLATE to default locale: No such file or directory | 03:58 |
| ogra | C | 03:58 |
| ogra | POSIX | 03:58 |
| pitti | heh, I knew :) | 03:58 |
| ogra | at least in the chrooted env ... | 03:58 |
| dholbach | pitti: i guess a ${misc:Depends} in gnome-terminal is missing | 03:58 |
| pitti | ogra: then either install the lanpack, or fix /etc/environment | 03:59 |
| ogra | dholbach, that are two different errors | 03:59 |
| ogra | pitti, i'm doing test installs here :) | 03:59 |
| ogra | so something is missing on the CD i think ... | 03:59 |
| pitti | ogra: hm, language-pack-en is installed by default... | 03:59 |
| pitti | hm, wait | 03:59 |
| ogra | pitti, yes it doesnt show up in my problem list for the CD either | 04:00 |
| pitti | Kamion: I think our new locales handling doesn't play well with the installer | 04:00 |
| pitti | Kamion: if the user chooses a locale, and it is written into /etc/environment, but the langpack ist not installed, it will break | 04:00 |
| ogra | i'm probably lagging behind with the iso ... Kamion fixed busybox already, might be related | 04:01 |
| BenC | Keybuk, pitti: thanks | 04:01 |
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| seb128 | pitti: what the heck are you doing with glib? | 04:07 |
| seb128 | ups | 04:07 |
| seb128 | not for you | 04:07 |
| seb128 | smurf: what the heck are you doing with glib? | 04:08 |
| pitti | seb128: added the gettext patch for desktop files, just as we discussed? | 04:08 |
| seb128 | pitti: no, smurf shlibs bump without any notice | 04:08 |
| seb128 | pitti: was not for you :) | 04:08 |
| seb128 | pitti: is your patch changing the public API? | 04:09 |
| pitti | seb128: *phew* :) | 04:09 |
| smurf | seb128: glib2.9 added new symbols, what else should I have been doing? | 04:11 |
| pitti | seb128: not at all | 04:11 |
| seb128 | smurf: asking the maintainer so it get fixed for Debian too? | 04:11 |
| ogra | dholbach, hmm, might be you are right with the missing dep ... | 04:11 |
| seb128 | smurf: especially that it was a pending change | 04:12 |
| ogra | dholbach, on the test system only gconf2-common ended up to be installed | 04:12 |
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| seb128 | ogra: the control.in miss a Depends on misc:Depends for it | 04:13 |
| ogra | yup | 04:13 |
| ogra | thats why i said he might be right ... | 04:13 |
| ogra | :) | 04:13 |
| seb128 | ogra: what is right? | 04:14 |
| seb128 | ogra: Debian has already fixed it, we just need to sync the package | 04:14 |
| ogra | seb128, <dholbach> pitti: i guess a ${misc:Depends} in gnome-terminal is missing | 04:14 |
| ogra | seb128, great | 04:14 |
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| seb128 | ogra: you have nothing else triggering gconf on your iso? | 04:16 |
| ogra | seb128, seems like gnome-panel-data is the first thing using it | 04:16 |
| ogra | s/gnome-panel-data/gnome-terminal-data | 04:17 |
| ogra | seb128, i have only these two packages failing currently ... (gnome-terminal-data and postgresql-8.1) | 04:18 |
| seb128 | I'll fix gt now | 04:18 |
| pitti | ogra: I'll talk to Kamion about locale handling | 04:19 |
| ogra | pitti, might be related to the busybox error ... i'm not sure | 04:20 |
| smurf | seb128: the version number sortof indicates that 2.9 isn't from Debian, so I decided to fix it first and look at Debian et al. later, instead of the other way 'round. Sorry if I mis-stepped. :-/ | 04:20 |
| seb128 | smurf: that's easy to ping on IRC before uploading no? | 04:20 |
| seb128 | anyway, next time please before uploading like this | 04:20 |
| smurf | sure | 04:20 |
| slomo_ | lbm: now, yes... | 04:27 |
| slomo_ | siretart: ping? | 04:28 |
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| pitti | lamont-away: argh, ppc buildd troube - are you here? | 04:56 |
| pitti | lamont-away: procps failed to install on royal, which broke the warty/courier build | 04:57 |
| pitti | infinity: ^ (just in case you are awake) | 04:57 |
| lbm | slomo_: about your banshee package, libmono0 is missing as a dependency | 04:59 |
| slomo_ | hmm, can someone look at a build failure on ia64? it's xine-lib and i don't want to upload any other tries to fix it without knowing that they actually work ;) http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/x/xine-lib/1.1.1-0ubuntu2/ | 04:59 |
| slomo_ | lbm: thanks, i'll add it... :) | 05:00 |
| lbm | slomo_: great :) | 05:00 |
| lbm | slomo_: banshee segfaults all the time. i haven't tried compiling the source, so i can't really tell if your package is the problem | 05:02 |
| slomo_ | lbm: uh... it doesn't for me since 0.10 anymore :/ can you give me a backtrace? | 05:02 |
| lbm | slomo_: in an hour or two, yes | 05:03 |
| Amaranth | slomo_: Don't suppose you can relax the monodoc dependency there. | 05:03 |
| Amaranth | slomo_: Switch it to recommended or whatever and just disable the docs if it isn't installed. | 05:03 |
| lbm | slomo_: can you tell me how to backtrace it? | 05:03 |
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| slomo_ | Amaranth: for backports you mean? we'll most probably backport the complete mono stack soon so this will be no problem anymore... | 05:04 |
| slomo_ | lbm: either by using gdb... or often mono gives you already a backtrace if the segfault wasn't too hard | 05:05 |
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| lbm | slomo_: let me get back to you | 05:05 |
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| slomo_ | lbm: sure, just ping me again :) | 05:06 |
| lbm | slomo_: ;) | 05:06 |
| psusi | has anyone been messing with unionfs? I'm wondering if it could be used to move files read in by readahead-list to a romfs image and overlay that on top of the root fs | 05:10 |
| psusi | that way readahead-list could do it's thing much faster due to much less seeks | 05:11 |
| \sh | mvo: thx :) | 05:18 |
| mvo | \sh: got the mail already? great :) | 05:19 |
| ogra | mvo, you rock ! | 05:19 |
| ogra | !! | 05:19 |
| ogra | ! | 05:19 |
| \sh | mvo: yeah..thx alot :) | 05:19 |
| infinity | pitti : Not awake, but fixed anyway. Cheers. | 05:21 |
| pitti | infinity: merci :) | 05:21 |
| mvo | cheers :) | 05:21 |
| pitti | infinity: it's great that you can work even when being asleep :) | 05:21 |
| ogra | the somnambulating buildd admin ! | 05:22 |
| infinity | seb128 : gnome-media given back everywhere, but failed on i386 attempting to link to dbus-glib-1, which it can't find. I assume an underlying library needs a rebuild, or something. Have fun. | 05:23 |
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| pitti | sleep well, Adam | 05:24 |
| seb128 | infinity: yeah, nautilus-cd-burner, that I fixed some days ago ... will figure why it's still failing, thanks | 05:24 |
| seb128 | g'night | 05:24 |
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| ogra | pitti, did you also just get a MS virus on the ubuntu-de ML ? | 05:39 |
| pitti | ogra: I get thousands of bounce notifications | 05:39 |
| ogra | yes thats what i get for edubuntu-devel currently ... | 05:39 |
| ogra | its an admin thing ... seems gmail has probs | 05:40 |
| ogra | but i just got a virusmail as user on ubuntu-de, seems it somehow slipped through the scanner | 05:40 |
| ogra | (on the ml server) | 05:40 |
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| Diziet | Why oh why oh why does os.open() default to mode 0777 ? | 05:59 |
| Diziet | It seems to be just Python being gratuitously annoying again. | 05:59 |
| psusi | it doesn't obey umask? | 06:00 |
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| ryanpg | hi all... is it appropriate to file a bug about nautilus-cd-burner not working as non-root user in dapper? or is this expected behavior for a pre-release? | 06:17 |
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| ogra | ryanpg, does it work with other apps ? | 06:17 |
| ryanpg | ogra, you mean do other burner apps work? well, g-cd-b works when run as root... I can check some others | 06:19 |
| ryanpg | what's a good one to try? | 06:19 |
| ryanpg | I have serpentine, I'll try that | 06:19 |
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| ogra | for me it deons work with root either as well as it doesnt work with cdrecord, | 06:20 |
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| ryanpg | ogra, doesn't work with serpentine either | 06:22 |
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| LaserJock | elmo: ping? | 06:27 |
| ogra | ryanpg, so its unlikely to be a n-c-b bug | 06:27 |
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| ryanpg | ogra, yeah... unfortunately bugzilla seems not to allow me to submit without picking a package so n-c-b it was | 06:37 |
| ogra | pick unknown next time ;) | 06:38 |
| ryanpg | ogra, hmm... good suggestion | 06:38 |
| ryanpg | ok, could someone help me acculturate here... is it appropriate/good/helpful to be filing bugs against dapper? I don't want to ruin the s/n ratio here. :) | 06:41 |
| crimsun | yes, it's fine | 06:41 |
| ogra | its preferred *g* | 06:41 |
| ogra | since we can more easily fix them ;) | 06:41 |
| ryanpg | ok good thanks crimsun ogra, just don't want to be a nudge! ;) | 06:42 |
| mdz | ryanpg: so long as you check that your bug isn't already reported | 06:42 |
| ogra | mdz ! | 06:43 |
| ogra | mdz, can you please merge http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/bzr-archive/ltsp/fixes/ and upload the ltsp package before flight 2 ? | 06:43 |
| ogra | (its a one line fix) | 06:43 |
| ogra | without it the stage 1 install breaks ... | 06:44 |
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| Mithrandir | mdz: I have simplifiedlivecd mostly implemented \o/ | 06:56 |
| Mithrandir | mdz: mostly minor faff left, like my live image not having the same kernel version as the kernel I'm booting with. | 06:56 |
| dholbach | elmo: please sync aiksaurus from debian, ok to override | 06:58 |
| pitti | YAY | 06:58 |
| === pitti got the first successful attempt to build tetex-bin against poppler | ||
| mdz | Mithrandir: cool, is it in bzr or otherwise browseable? | 06:58 |
| Mithrandir | mdz: yes, in bzr, but not published anywhere yet. | 06:59 |
| mdz | ogra: will have a look | 06:59 |
| ogra | thanks :) | 06:59 |
| Mithrandir | I gotta vacuum for a bit, I'll put it up later. | 06:59 |
| dholbach | Mithrandir: that's what i did, when gnome-system-tools test-built :) | 07:00 |
| seb128 | Keybuk: around? | 07:01 |
| dholbach | elmo: merci | 07:02 |
| pitti | seb128: poppler rocks :) | 07:04 |
| seb128 | cool ;) | 07:04 |
| seb128 | happy that you like it :) | 07:04 |
| pitti | seb128: well, tetex-bin is the last xpdf copy (and these really hurt) | 07:04 |
| seb128 | pitti: BTW have you tried if your crasher is fixed with the evince update? | 07:04 |
| pitti | seb128: a bit, it didn't crash any more | 07:05 |
| seb128 | cool, so that's the right fix for it :) | 07:05 |
| Gerrath | Were can I find out what modules are loaded in the kernel ram-disk image for a stock ubuntu kernel? | 07:08 |
| Gerrath | example: initrd.img-2.6.12-10-686 | 07:09 |
| Gerrath | Heres why, I can remove the dethforce module completely from the kernel and it still loads so I'm starting to think it is in the initrd. | 07:14 |
| siretart | slomo_: pong | 07:15 |
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| pitti | had I known that tetex builds so easily with poppler, I should have done it in breezy | 07:24 |
| pitti | now I pay for not having done it... | 07:24 |
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| zyga | hello | 07:33 |
| siretart | a friend just asked me: are there plans to have mysql5 in dapper? | 07:36 |
| sladen | siretart: is it certified? ;-) | 07:37 |
| siretart | sladen: nope, but I know people who don't care about this and just want the latest mysql.. *shrug* | 07:38 |
| zyga | who is the one to ping about being added to the UbuntuMembers team on launchpad? | 07:39 |
| BenC | any ETA on flight 2? | 07:39 |
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| neuralis | siretart: ping infinity about what he decided, but i recommended against it based on 5.0.15 | 07:51 |
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| neuralis | siretart: it's yet to be seen how much they fixed in .16 | 07:54 |
| siretart | neuralis: ok | 07:55 |
| Diziet | -anarres:virt-chroot> really strace -fot dchroot -q true </dev/null | 07:57 |
| Diziet | stdin: is not a tty | 07:57 |
| Diziet | -anarres:virt-chroot> echo $? | 07:57 |
| Diziet | 0 | 07:57 |
| Diziet | ??? | 07:57 |
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| gouchi | Hi | 08:16 |
| gouchi | Is there a bugreport for labtec pro webcam ? | 08:16 |
| gouchi | because It freezes ubuntu breezy | 08:17 |
| gouchi | running gnomemeeting | 08:17 |
| ogra | gouchi, bugzilla.ubuntu.com | 08:17 |
| gouchi | ok | 08:17 |
| gouchi | I will make a search | 08:17 |
| gouchi | it seems not | 08:17 |
| gouchi | strange | 08:18 |
| dholbach | good night | 08:18 |
| mvo | bye dholbach | 08:18 |
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| Hieronymus | gouchi: I have a similar problem, I believe | 08:21 |
| Hieronymus | gouchi: http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=20520 | 08:22 |
| gouchi | yep | 08:22 |
| Hieronymus | When gnomemeeting or another program tries to capture from my webcam, my complete system freezes | 08:22 |
| gouchi | same here | 08:22 |
| Hieronymus | gouchi: okay. Please add a comment to that bug and put your e-mail in CC. Maybe dmesg and lspci output will help aswell. | 08:23 |
| gouchi | I gonna try to recompile the module : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Spca5xx?highlight=%28webcam%29 | 08:23 |
| Hieronymus | gouchi: is that the module? | 08:23 |
| gouchi | yep | 08:24 |
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| zyga | lamont-away: who manages the ubuntu members team? | 08:37 |
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| zyga | sorry for bothering you, thanks | 08:37 |
| lamont-away | np | 08:37 |
| crimsun | zyga: ping Seveas about the ubuntu members team | 08:38 |
| zyga | crimsun: thanks | 08:39 |
| zyga | Seveas: ping | 08:39 |
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| Amaranth | sounds like 7zip could allow you to put more language packs on the CDs, even if you only compress the language packs themselves with it | 08:49 |
| Amaranth | and, as a bonus, it's actually faster than bz2 :) | 08:50 |
| zyga | Amaranth: isn't there a spec somewhere about 7zip evaluation? | 08:51 |
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| psusi | aye... 7zip kicks ass | 08:56 |
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| mdke | mdz, did you see my query earlier? | 09:16 |
| mdz | mdke: no | 09:18 |
| mdke | mdz, ok :) | 09:18 |
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| gouchi | Hieronymus : works with new module ;-) | 09:29 |
| Hieronymus | gouchi: you followed the wiki? | 09:35 |
| gouchi | yep | 09:36 |
| gouchi | very easy | 09:36 |
| gouchi | Hieronymus : uses gcc-3.5 if you have breezy kernel | 09:36 |
| Hieronymus | oh, I thought 3.4.. | 09:36 |
| crimsun | (gcc-3.4) | 09:37 |
| gouchi | Hieronymus : gcc-3.4 sorry :) | 09:37 |
| gouchi | Hieronymus : remember before to insmod , rmmod spca5xx.ko | 09:39 |
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| zyga | .0 | 09:46 |
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| Kamion | crimsun: huh? Seveas isn't a community council member and thus doesn't administer ubuntumembers | 10:10 |
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| crimsun | Kamion: I thought he was asking about something else | 10:14 |
| Kamion | ok ... | 10:14 |
| crimsun | (the FN cloaks) | 10:15 |
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