=== jdub shores up support policy decision matrix with some silly string [12:02] psusi: Right. I'll assign this to Adam Conrad. he's handling initramfs-tools now. === Evaso2 [n=Marem@host102-186.pool80116.interbusiness.it] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Client] === lamont [n=lamont@mib.fc.hp.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:05] jbailey: ahh... ok... === ompaul [n=ompaul@213-202-173-60.bas504.dsl.esat.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:06] hopefully those scripts are correct and can then be integrated into the dmraid package, and then that package added to the main seed [12:06] One of these days I'm going to have to get people to explain to me their anti-sendmail bias. [12:06] lamont: ping? [12:06] sendmail was a source of a LOT of remote root exploits over the years for one... for another, it is a royal pain to configure iirc [12:06] There hasn't been an exploit in *years* in it. Configs that are dozens of lines long are maybe 4 or 5 lines in sendmail. [12:07] slomo: ack [12:07] psusi: The biggest configuration problems that people have is that they try to edit sendmail.cf, I think. [12:07] Overcomplex config files *cough* m4 macros are more likely to be misconfigured [12:07] lamont: do you read what someone said to your lamont-away nick? ;) can you give-back banshee on ppc? and what happened to mod-mono now? :) [12:09] SEJeff: Do you think so? Hmm. [12:09] I always liked the fact that there was a compile pass that would usually catch the worst of my mistakes. [12:10] jbailey: That is a general rule. Most "hacks" stem from misconfigured software. Difficulty in configuration is directly proportional to security in most cases [12:10] jbailey: See apache. apachectl configtest. [12:10] jbailey: The apache config is human readable (arguably) sendmail.cf is not [12:11] Well, sendmail's exploits at the time were because the Berkley people regularily did acid before coding. [12:11] sendmail.cf is not intended to be treated like a config file any more than a compiled executable is. [12:12] The fact that some of us *cough*lamont*cough* can occasionally read compiled executables doesn't mean it's a good idea. [12:12] jbailey: I realize that, but do you see my point? [12:12] od is your friend :) [12:12] slomo: lamont-away and lamont are two diff machines... [12:12] I don't actually. Your statement still treats it like a config file. What screws with me about postfix and (worse) exim is that the config files are always more than a page long. === benmur [n=benmur@www.sukria.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:12] I haven't a hope of keeping it all in my heda. [12:12] s/heda/head/ [12:13] Especially when trying to match braces, or make sure that semicolons are lined up and such. === sistpoty [n=sistpoty@ubuntu/member/sistpoty] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:13] My biggest attraction to sendmail is usually that my mail config has no reason to be more than about 4 lines long. === dooglus_ [n=dooglus@rincevent.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:14] jbailey: The more difficult software is to configure, the higher the probability of misconfiguration. The higher the probability of misconfiguration, the lower the security. Most hacks come from misconfigured software [12:14] Right. Your argument there seems in support of sendmail. [12:14] Surely that is rational [12:15] Easy configuration != sendmail [12:16] I'm just looking. Literally a 3 line configuration file to act as a mail hub. [12:16] I would say that more lines that are easier to read is less prone to errors than less lines and more difficulty to read [12:17] In some ways, I equate sendmail to gnu hurd. It was designed overly complex from the start. That is it's main problem [12:17] Mmm, I think GNU Hurd's failings are far simpler than that. =) [12:18] I think that the maintainers of the software have never had any interest in seeing it finished. So they would never accept a hack to make it work, all patches had to be correct instead. [12:19] I was making a very loose analogy [12:19] SEJeff: Ah. I was until recently one of the main debian hurd-i386 porters. =) [12:19] Sendmail works very well. It is just grossly "over-engineered" [12:19] nice === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@cpe-69-205-38-37.nycap.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:20] If it was designed to be a bit more simple from the beginning (similar to qmail) it likely would have had less security problems [12:21] I truly think that sendmail's security history stems more from the fact that until the mid 90's noone cared about programming securely. [12:22] You are right, but a simpler codebase is easier to audit [12:22] And by the mid 90's sendmail was old enough to have acquired *alot* of history. =) [12:22] true true === vuntz [n=vuntz@fennas.vuntz.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === doko_ [n=doko@dslb-084-059-064-117.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lamont [n=lamont@mib.fc.hp.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dooglus [n=dooglus@rincevent.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dooglus_ [n=dooglus@r2m7.chello.upc.cz] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lamont [n=lamont@mib.fc.hp.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dooglus__ [n=dooglus@rincevent.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === vuntz_ [n=vuntz@fennas.vuntz.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lamont [n=lamont@mib.fc.hp.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === kyncani [n=kyncani@lns-bzn-1-82-250-2-39.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:49] z600cups-1.0-1.gz.sh === dooglus [n=dooglus@r2m7.chello.upc.cz] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dooglus_ [n=dooglus@rincevent.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === magnon [n=SirKew@photogeeks/magnon] has joined #ubuntu-devel === marcin [n=user@194.114.146.58] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dooglus__ [n=dooglus@rincevent.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:12] ogra, hi... busy? [01:13] stub, hi... u around? [01:13] ? [01:13] stub, I'm OgMaciel [01:13] stub, we talked last night [01:14] stub, about changing my email [01:14] in launchpad [01:14] remember me? [01:15] Sure [01:15] stub, can I pvt? [01:17] pervert? [01:18] private [01:18] hehe [01:18] <\sh> tstststs [01:18] Sure [01:18] \sh, hi [01:18] <\sh> hey og :) how's life? [01:18] \sh, so far so cold... =) [01:18] \sh, you? [01:18] <\sh> hehee.... [01:19] <\sh> GnuKemist: see planet...and excuse my words :) [01:19] \sh, hold on [01:20] \sh, read this in the meantime... =) http://blog.ogmaciel.com/?p=28 [01:21] \sh, that really sucks man... all I can say is wish you a better job next time... I sort of did the same about 15 months ago [01:21] <\sh> GnuKemist: hmmm....is portugese? I can understand "apri of 2006" [01:21] hehe [01:22] \sh, sent you the portuguese version [01:22] hehe [01:22] sorry [01:22] hold up [01:22] \sh, here... http://www.ogmaciel.com/?p=219 [01:22] <\sh> GnuKemist: the job was good and the people were good as well..but those new bosses..with their non human attitude ... sorry..not my thing...and I told myself, be honest [01:22] \sh, but feel free to ask me anything in portuguese ;) [01:23] \sh, you know... unfortunately I ended up at another place where they treat people like garbage... it is paying the bills... =/ [01:24] stub, can anybody help me with my issue? [01:24] <\sh> GnuKemist: well...it's "bom dia" right now :) === ispiked [n=ispiked@wireless-nat-pool-rdu.redhat.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:24] \sh, yup... but for me (UTC - 5) is actually "boa noite" [01:25] GnuKemist, #launchpad? [01:25] <\sh> GnuKemist: "bom dia" == good morning, right? [01:25] mdke, went there already... thanx [01:26] \sh, yup... boa noite == good evening [01:26] GnuKemist, they are the only people who can help with launchpad problems [01:26] if anyone cares to figure out why the current installer images can't manage to reboot (ctrl-alt-del, or when you reach the end of the first stage), please be my guest === Kamion -> bed [01:26] Kamion: 'nacht [01:27] mdke, thanks... I was told to look for elmo but was also talking to stub ... will move on with the subject though... ;) === dooglus_ [n=dooglus@rincevent.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Yvonne_ [n=01101110@pdpc/supporter/active/Yvonne] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:33] <\sh> good night.. [01:33] \sh_away, night === zul [n=chuck@ubuntu/member/zul] has joined #ubuntu-devel === vuntz__ [n=vuntz@fennas.vuntz.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === warren__ [n=warren@auproxy1.proxy.lucent.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Yvonne [n=01101110@pdpc/supporter/active/Yvonne] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:18] mono-best: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/beagle/libbeagleuiglue.so: undefined symbol: _ZN13nsCOMPtr_base25assign_from_gs_contractidE24nsGetServiceByContractIDRK4nsID [02:18] Nngh. [02:18] What is it with mono and shlibs breakage? === jinty [n=jinty@205.134.224.215] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hunger [n=hunger@p54A60973.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dooglus [n=dooglus@rincevent.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:27] mjg59: it might be firefox love === minghua [n=minghua@danube.mems.rice.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:28] we'll get beagle 0.1.3 in within a couple of days, I think === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.38] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:31] jbailey: grep -ve ^# -e ^$ /etc/postfix/main.cf | wc [02:31] 48 149 1564 [02:31] and that's a _complex_ config === `anthony [n=anthony@ekorp-203-63-137-225.eoff.ekorp.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:31] stock ubuntu config is about 12 lines long [02:32] elmo_: please sync childsplay from unstable, ubuntu override ok === marcin [n=user@194.114.146.58] has joined #ubuntu-devel === marcin [n=user@194.114.146.58] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:50] Is there a way to give a nonroot user permission to use ports below 1024? [02:51] you can probably do that with SELinux, but why [02:53] does anyone know offhand when the KDevelop packages might be rebuilt to work with the newer stuff in Dapper? === ikuyaLoqu [n=ikuya@gnulinux.good-day.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:55] TerminX: what do you mean with "work with the newer stuff in dapper"? [02:55] kdevelop doesn't appear to be installable [02:56] it looks like it hasn't been rebuilt with fixed dependencies and all that after the KDE 3.5 stuff went in [02:57] TerminX: since kdevelop is in universe, you might want to come to #ubuntu-motu and ask there [02:58] ah === slomo_ [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-devel === currios84 [n=me@d131088.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:09] lamont-away: Right, my criticism of bad configs was more targetted at exim than postfix. [03:10] lamont-away: In postfix I couldn't figure out how to do some of the things I wanted, but I suspect that was me not finding the documentation rather than it not being possible. === ryanpg [n=ryanpg@71.194.38.156] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ispiked [n=ispiked@Lee-12-238.rh.ncsu.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:38] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxNewVersion [03:38] :o [03:39] mozilla ffox faster then ubuntu build? [03:39] spacey_ki: not necessarily [03:39] spacey_ki: true for 1.0.x in Breezy [03:39] spacey_ki: untrue for any other builds for any other versions or any other releases === jlj [n=agp@207.67.194.249] has joined #ubuntu-devel === calc [n=ccheney@ip70-185-4-246.ma.dl.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:05] anyone here happen to know why gdm would work with MergedFB mode but gnome itself just clones the same screen for both monitors? [04:08] x [04:08] currios84: do you know how to properly setup MergedFB? [04:08] i did the way i read on ubuntuforums but it doesn't seem to work for gnome itself, just for gdm :\ === Currios [n=me@d131171.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:17] calc: the xorg ATI drivers? [04:18] I have this in the device section of xorg.conf: Option "CRT2Position" "RightOf" === No1Viking [i=micke@h-83-140-104-3.ip.cust.port80.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:19] I've also got CRT2HSync, CRT2VRefresh and MetaModes set === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ozamosi [n=nozamosi@h135n6c1o1049.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:31] Section "Device" Identifier "ATI Radeon 9600" Driver "ati" BusID "PCI:1:0:0" Option "MergedFB" "true" Option "CRT2Position" "RightOf" Option "OverlayOnCRTC2" "true" [04:31] EndSection [04:31] that is what i have on mine [04:31] i'm using the open source drivers for 9600 [04:31] that are part of xorg in dapper [04:40] MetaMode is required for it to work [04:40] it would be nice if the manpage mentioned it must be defined... or else its cloned [04:45] this dual head is at the limits of sanity === calc2 [n=ccheney@ip70-185-4-246.ma.dl.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mhz [n=mhz_chil@pc-252-84-215-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jlj [n=agp@cpe-204-210-33-233.san.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === calc [n=ccheney@ip70-185-4-246.ma.dl.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:24] Odd. I'm a bit curious why I have libc 2.3.5-6 installed... when the latest in Dapper is 2.3.5-1ubuntu17 === Burgundavia [n=corey@S0106000000cc07fc.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:26] Installed from sid? [05:26] Not sure. [05:26] I don't know why I would have done that. [05:26] The most I've ever had from sid was the deb-src lines. === mahangu [n=mahangu@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mhz [n=mhz_chil@pc-252-84-215-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ikuyaLoqu [n=ikuya@gnulinux.good-day.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === robitaille [n=robitail@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rajasun [n=maximusp@bb220-255-207-139.singnet.com.sg] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mhz [n=mhz_chil@pc-252-84-215-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mahangu [n=mahangu@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:57] Heh. highend and lowend kernels. [05:57] Interesting seperation. [05:59] We were having a hard time coming up with good names to describe what they were meant for. :) [06:00] One of these days there will be one kernel to rule them all. [06:00] With all this special core stuff in modules. [06:00] If we used something meaningless like "Server" and "Enterprise Server", users would all just go and install the latter, assuming it has "cool enterprise features!" [06:00] In reality, the highend server kernel is for almost no one. Wankload of CPUs, gobs of RAM, NUMA support, etc. === HrdwrBoB raises hand - I need that one [06:02] You'd be one of the few. :) [06:02] server-lowend will be fine for me. [06:02] well realistically I need both [06:02] 8 CPUs, 32G of RAM... [06:03] depending on the boxes [06:03] If I had kit bigger than that, I'd be pretty happy, but... [06:03] surely lowend has numa support for amd64 [06:04] Why would it need to? [06:06] because it would be faster? [06:08] ... [06:09] Does Linux actually keep track of which CPU owns the memory? [06:10] My understanding of amd64 was that, despite the memory controller being embedded in the CPUs, the system presented the RAM as one massive block. [06:10] But, I'll admit I haven't done much amd64 SMP. === stub [i=stub@sweep.bur.st] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:11] Ahh, some quick googling shows I'm mistaken and Linux can actually do NUMA on amd64 kit. Neat. [06:13] I guess it depends on your definition of lowend [06:19] SO what is NUMA anyways? [06:19] Wait I can just look that up. [06:19] gg lazyweb [06:22] HrdwrBoB : Well, our definition of lowend is pretty "high" to most people. [06:22] HrdwrBoB : Perhaps we should discuss this in #ubuntu-kernel at some point. === jsgotangco [n=jerome@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:23] HrdwrBoB : For one thing< I'd like to see benchmarks of plain SMP versus NUMA on amd64 systems, since NUMA is an option there, not a necessity. [06:23] (As opposed to other systems, where no NUMA means no RAM, or missing lots of it) [06:24] s/amd64 systems/lowend amd64 systems/ [06:24] I'm sure there are some crazy highend amd64 configurations that NEED NUMA. [06:24] I'm not so sure we boot on them. :) [06:25] infinity: well I have a few single amd64 computers [06:25] most of the servers are dual cpu, the higher end ones are dualcore-two way [06:26] given the relative cheapness of an smp opteron box [06:26] I would class a single amd64 machine as a desktop level machine, and a two way dualcore a low end server [06:26] a high end server would be 4+ dualcore CPUs [06:26] morning === calc [n=ccheney@ip70-185-4-246.ma.dl.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === steve_ [n=steve@pool-71-241-137-209.burl.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === infinity curses CUPS and anything even vaguely related to it. [06:43] er... does anyone here use a HP DL385 and have a few minutes? === viviersf [n=cain@dsl-146-101-79.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:49] how do I tell totem and firefox to never evr ever try to load the plugin to play movies? [06:49] all it appear to do is crash firefox [06:53] bob2_: view and edit actions on the downloads page [06:53] bob2_: turn off the plugins [06:54] hey jdub [06:54] yo fabbione [06:54] jdub: got a minute for me? [06:54] sure! [06:54] cool [06:54] sineine made your list during the server transition btw, if you didn't already know === daniels [n=daniels@amnesiac.heapspace.net] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === infinity wonders how long start-stop-daemon has been broken.. === zakame [n=zak@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Flare [n=Michieru@66.93.252.201] has joined #ubuntu-devel === slomo [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mahangu [n=mahangu@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === HiddenWolf [n=HiddenWo@136.153.dynamic.phpg.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === calc [n=ccheney@ip70-185-4-246.ma.dl.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rob1 [n=rob@ubuntu/member/rob1] has joined #ubuntu-devel === marilize [n=marilize@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ikuyaLoqu [n=ikuya@gnulinux.good-day.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === chmj [n=chmj@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dholbach [n=daniel@i577B1ED4.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:13] hellas === HWolf [n=HiddenWo@136.119.dynamic.phpg.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === JaneW [n=JaneW@dsl-146-129-50.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:31] HrdwrBoB: depends on the question :-) === calc [n=ccheney@ip70-185-4-246.ma.dl.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === wanglei1123 [n=wanglei1@159.226.21.127] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:36] hello? [08:36] is anyone here? [08:36] (yes?) [08:37] hi , is anyone can help me answer my question? [08:37] probably not, since you don't ask it. [08:37] :) [08:37] and also, this is not a support channel, so if it's not development related, please use #ubuntu instead. [08:37] i wanna know , what script do the hardware scaning of installing ubuntu === rajasun [n=maximusp@bb220-255-207-139.singnet.com.sg] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:38] and what scripts recognize your scsi device and modprobe it ? [08:39] wanglei1123: there is no such script.. it's all done by kernel/hotplug/udev [08:39] and what scripts recognize your scsi device and modprobe it when you installing ubuntu system, thank you sooo much !: ) [08:39] it's all kind of "automatic" [08:39] udev just acts on the information exported by the kernel and available hardware [08:40] udev and detect , recognize and modprobe my scsi device ? [08:40] I've come to the conclusion that concordia is too slow. [08:40] infinity: I told you that a long time ago, didn't I? :-P [08:40] Yes, well, I made the mistake of building something there. === Aegir [n=richard@d220-238-52-188.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:41] Because my girlfriend's actually using her computer. How dare she. [08:41] hi everyone ,does udev and detect , recognize and modprobe my scsi device ? [08:41] s/and detect// [08:42] ? it doesn't make sense to me :( [08:43] fabbione: does udev can detect , recognize and modprobe my scsi device ? [08:43] wanglei1123: stop flooding this channel [08:43] we already answered your question [08:43] sorry ....... [08:43] no actually i did [08:43] anyone happen to know when usb hotplug mounting was added to ubuntu? i tried 4.10 live/install and 5.04 live so far and they don't actually mount [08:43] or Mithrandir [08:43] but it still don't make sense to me ........ [08:44] i'm looking for what it does to add it to a custom debian dist [08:44] Mithrandir: hi :) [08:44] Mithrandir: hi : ) [08:44] but upon looking for it i can't seem to make it work :\ [08:44] calc: it worked with warty [08:45] i wonder if its some kind of weird interaction with vmware [08:45] i'm running ubuntu under vmware where i am doing the testing (at work) === hunger [n=hunger@p54A62BD3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:47] ... [08:48] anyone.... [08:48] wanglei1123: please migrate to #ubuntu. Your question has been answered already. [08:48] crimsun: hi :) [08:49] 'lo calc [08:49] crimsun: i found out recently i may have more time to work on linux again :) [08:49] crimsun: thanks so much : ) [08:50] i'm going to be working with one of my friends at a company he started, so i won't have a commute anymore :) === stub [i=stub@sweep.bur.st] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pietrus [n=pietro@dsl027-180-124.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === wanglei1123 [n=wanglei1@159.226.21.127] has left #ubuntu-devel [""] === calc_ [n=ccheney@ip70-185-4-246.ma.dl.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Gman- [n=gman@nwkea-socks-1.sun.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ptlo [n=senko@83-131-67-231.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:28] Hi [09:28] 'morning pitti :) [09:30] Hi crimsun === mvo [n=egon@ip181.135.1511I-CUD12K-01.ish.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === wjb [n=warren@c220-237-178-175.lowrp1.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:38] fabbione: do you have some wmv files so that I can test mplayer/amd64? [09:38] morning, btw ;) === ompaul [n=ompaul@213-202-136-196.bas502.dsl.esat.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:40] siretart: i think the last mplayer is FTBFS on amd64 [09:40] indeed [09:41] fabbione: ok. will look into this now [09:42] siretart: thanks. the culprit is to enable the w32codecs support. it's working fine from marillat archive, so i assume the fact that you disabled it at random have broken the stuff :) [09:45] fabbione: I think the marillat package build just by sheer luck. The build system slomo did is WAY saner [09:46] siretart: well.. it FTBFS ;) [09:46] fabbione: first, I will fix the ftbfs, then I will compare our mplayer package with how marillat builds on amd64 [09:46] siretart: ok :=) [09:46] fabbione: do you have a media file for me to test afterwards? [09:49] yes [09:49] just any wvm you find on the net [09:49] none of them play video === bytee_ [n=byte@pentafluge.infradead.org] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dholbach [n=daniel@i577B1ED4.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === `anthony [n=anthony@220-253-115-240.VIC.netspace.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rob1 [n=Robert@ubuntu/member/rob1] has joined #ubuntu-devel === uniq [n=frode@213.184.199.55] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hunger [n=hunger@p54A62BD3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dredg [n=nsherida@80.169.137.162] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:14] fabbione: suprisingly, marillat does not compile with --enable-win32 on amd64. now I'm a bit confused.. [10:18] siretart: ok, i will debug it and send you a patch === Lordan [n=lorenzod@63.218.103.162] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mahangu_ [n=mahangu@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === olemke [n=olemke@iup.physik.uni-bremen.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === enrico [n=enrico@debian/developer/enrico] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:21] fabbione: I have found a wmv now, which can be played in both mplayers! [10:22] the new one and the one from breezy [10:24] fabbione: but it is wmv8. there seem indeed to be problems with wmv9 [10:24] yes that's correct [10:25] fabbione: for me, the correct solution seems to be the same approach as for openoffice: introduce a mplayer32 package for amd64, which is compiled in 32bit === Lorenzod [n=lorenzod@63.218.103.162] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:26] siretart: that's very, very crackful. [10:26] siretart: dude.. it was working.. there is no need of mplayer32 or something [10:26] I tried a wmv9 file (I only have one here), but the breezy mplayer had problems with that, too [10:26] : tfheen@thosu ~ > ldd /usr/bin/mplayer | wc -l [10:26] 90 [10:26] you don't want to provide a 32 bit libkrb5support for mplayer, do you? [10:26] siretart: probably i was using the marillat one in breezy.. check with that [10:27] fabbione: will do [10:27] Mithrandir: wtf mplayer needs krb5?! [10:27] siretart: otherwise just gimme time.. mplayer is not first priority for me [10:27] to fix at least ;) [10:27] siretart: it is linked to something which is linked to something which is linked to kerberos, I guess. === dholbach_ [n=daniel@i577B10A8.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:28] ldd /usr/bin/mplayer [10:29] libporn.so.0 => /usr/share/porn/libporn... [10:29] ;) [10:29] you, you, FHS-rampager [10:29] lol [10:29] Mithrandir: the "share" was NOT a case :P === pvanhoof [n=pvanhoof@d5152D086.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rob1 [n=Robert@ubuntu/member/rob1] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Simira [n=rpGirl@118.84-48-121.nextgentel.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ispiked [n=ispiked@Lee-12-238.rh.ncsu.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:40] elmo_: please sync libglademm2.4 from sid, ok to override, thank you === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Ex-Chat"] === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:40] whops === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@195-23-220-110.net.novis.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mahangu__ [n=mahangu@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:47] fabbione: I just installed the original marillat mplayer binary on my amd64 system, and it is not able to play wmv9, too [10:47] and this was painful! [10:48] siretart: ok i will look at it myself.. don't worry. thanks === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:50] Riddell: here? === trulux [n=lorenzo@unaffiliated/trulux] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:52] fabbione: please let me know what you find out. every fucking webforum in the web claims that the only way to view wmv9 on amd64 is to compile a 32bit binary (which doesn't seem to be that hard, even suse lusers seem to manage it) [10:52] ahahah [10:52] ok [10:52] and I didn't succeed to play a wmv9 video with breezy's mplayer, like you claim. so now I'm a bit confused [10:53] hi [10:53] hi ajmitch [10:54] siretart: the main issue for me is to roll back to breezy to test [10:54] siretart: i only have one amd64 [10:54] and it's doh.. running dapper [10:54] ;) [10:55] fabbione: I'd love to upgrade my amd64 box to dapper, but I really need the *caugh* nvidia binary drivers *caugh* [10:55] siretart: they work.. [10:55] i am using them [10:55] they do? [10:55] infinity: made them a while ago [10:55] yeps [10:55] apparantly [10:55] cool! === ajmitch hasn't rebooted yet to test them, but they're installed here [10:56] ajmitch: i am using them as we speak [10:56] i am force to use them actually [10:56] hmmmmm :) [10:56] otherwise my 3 heads setup doesn't work [10:56] ah [10:56] speaking of which.. [10:56] 3 sounds nice [10:56] this weekend i could plug another 3 heads === ajmitch only has 2 CRTs [10:57] another 3? how big a desk do you have? [10:57] fabbione: so you are hacking on multiseat? [10:57] ajmitch: big [10:57] siretart: no. it's just my fancy workstation [10:57] ah [10:57] ajmitch: they would be 2 rows by 3 [10:57] my desk is only big enough for 2 monitors :) [10:57] ajmitch: well i did hack my desk too ;) [10:58] there is a kitchen table 3 cm thick on top of a normal desk === siretart is also at 2 heads (plus laptop). 6 heads sounds really nice :) [10:58] that helps in space and to distribute the weight along all desk [10:58] if I moved the spare computer I could fit another couple of screens on it === lbm [n=lbm@cpe.atm4-0-1301006.0x50a0824e.vgnxx6.customer.tele.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:09] slomo_: around? === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stewski [n=stewart@82-36-132-77.cable.ubr01.perr.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:11] hi any edubuntu developers in === carstenh [n=carstenh@p54A609C6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:12] stewski: #edubuntu is probably a better place to ask :) [11:13] cheers Im in there too [11:13] just found this review http://www.bloggingbaby.com/entry/1234000340071196/ [11:13] haha :) [11:13] might be useful feedback, just wanted to say keep up the amazing work [11:14] stewski: i laughed, because it had the wrong observation about ogra being mr. shuttleworth :) === `anthony [n=anthony@220-253-115-240.VIC.netspace.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:14] ah yeah I didnt pay much notice to that [11:15] I thought edu was primarily targeted at schools not home users (at the moment) [11:15] stewski: but thanks for your words of praise, ogra will appreciate them [11:15] ogra = mark? haha [11:15] but fairly objective feedback I thought? [11:15] (as everybody else who is involved) [11:16] i thin its corrected now .... at least the author said so in a mail last night [11:16] morning ogra :) [11:16] ogra: just think what fun you could have if you could sign his cheques ;) [11:16] lmao [11:17] ajmitch, he said it would be ok with him, but i'd have to take *all* his mail :P [11:17] I'm hoping to become a teacher and take ubu to school [11:17] s [11:17] ogra: and you could hack on launchpad for him :) [11:18] dholbach: don't be so evil [11:18] heh === marcin [n=user@194.114.146.58] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:19] any tips for where to go to find out about setting edubuntu up as a LTSP thin client set up? [11:20] http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuInstallNotes [11:21] its done by default, you only need to edit one file post install ... [11:22] really sounds too good to be true :-) [11:22] heh [11:23] better get some space on my pcs and test this out [11:23] unlike the article claims, we dont target the home market in first place ;) thats only an addon ... === raphink [n=raphink@gra86-1-82-239-88-236.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:23] our main target is the ltsp managed classroom ;) [11:23] do you target at school hardware at all? Research Machines etc? [11:24] yeah I thought the article was kind of ascue for that, first schools later parents/home? [11:24] later we'll also do that ... thats only our first release, so a single classroom was targeted... we'll grow over releses [11:24] the current CD has both options (school and home) its just that chool is the default ;) [11:25] *school [11:25] Im thinking when in the UK weee directive comes in there will be plenty of PC recycling going on, should give the cause a real boost here at least [11:25] yeah :) [11:25] cool do you have anything to do with the cutter project? [11:26] nope, never heard of it ... [11:26] http://www.cutterproject.co.uk/ === viviersf [n=cain@dsl-146-101-79.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:27] Im studying at the moment but putting together details for FLOSS in schools in the UK === Yvonne [n=01101110@pdpc/supporter/active/Yvonne] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:28] there have already been a couple of excellent examples, but I see what you guys as doing taking it to a new level [11:28] ah, yes i remember, there is a guy sometimes in #edubuntu from the cutter project === raphink [n=raphink@gra86-1-82-239-88-236.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:31] Riddell: I found yet another flaw in the xpdf patch; when you arrive, can you please ping me? then we sort out the patch together [11:32] xpdf and pdf handling in general under linux seems rather weak, or am I mising something? [11:32] stewski: define weak? [11:32] sorry yeah not helpful I know [11:32] copying text not possible [11:33] xpdf, poppler, evince, pdflatex, openoffice - they all deal well with PDFs [11:33] difficult to do anything with pdfs other than view [11:33] pitti, where is the reason for xpdf ? i thought we had switched everything to evince in breezy already [11:34] stewski: oh, yesterday I impressed my flatmate with that - I wrote 100 lines of python which take a PDF telephone bill and calculate the costs for the three people that use it :) [11:34] ogra: it's still in main in warty and hoary, and we can't change that :) [11:34] ogra: and the same code is in poppler, warty's cups, and kpdf and koffice [11:35] ... and tetex [11:35] sure, if you finally finish your time machine we can ! [11:35] ogra: then I had to fix poppler instead of xpdf in warty and hoary, which doesn't make it any different :) [11:35] ogra: the time machine is just a big box and around 100 lines of python code, pitti will make it happen [11:36] heh [11:36] we could fix vulns even before they appear in the wild :) [11:36] dholbach, i guess the box is the problem here :) [11:36] right at the time the author writes a vulnerable piece of code, we can retroactively hit him with a cluebat [11:36] nono, that's easy too [11:37] a right I saw pdflatex but in terms of gui tools that work with pdf I seemed to have problems just grabbing a bit of text [11:37] although fair point could be user err [11:37] stewski: what's wrong with copy&paste from evince? [11:37] stewski: if you need the whole text with or without layout, pdftotext does fine; pdftohtml works well, too [11:38] thnx a bundle, jsut not aware of them [11:38] stewski: but if you look for something like Acrobat, then we have to disappoint you [11:38] well not having acrobats not a biggy [11:38] how well does scribus work with that? [11:38] there is a reason Adobe can charge a good chunk of money for it (and it's indeed a good piece of software) [11:39] but most people don't need acrobat for the tasks they want to do [11:39] does evince handle pdf ona default ubuntu? [11:39] stealing a picture from a PDF, or a chunk of text can be done with less effort [11:39] sure [11:39] yup [11:39] oh my install mustve got monkeyd with :-) mines going for xpdf [11:40] cant think who couldve done that :-0 === mahangu [n=mahangu@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:40] which version is that ? [11:40] the older ones used xpdf [11:40] 5.04 upgrade to 5.10 [11:40] ah, and you forgot ubuntu-desktop before upgrading ? [11:40] stewski: I assume you removed ubuntu-desktop? === seb128 [n=seb128@ANancy-151-1-8-3.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:41] I didnt think I missed that but it possible [11:41] seb128: ! [11:41] hey seb128 [11:41] <\sh> ok...time to get up..have a shower pack the rest of the company notebook stuff and go to my ex-office...get my ass whipped [11:41] tsk, seb128 what about your holiday you addict ... [11:41]