| Kingbahamut | because when I was called that | 12:04 |
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| Kingbahamut | I became horridly confused | 12:04 |
| theCore | what is Automatix ? it look like the main problem | 12:05 |
| mdke | theCore, nononono | 12:05 |
| Kingbahamut | no | 12:05 |
| mdke | that business is a symptom | 12:05 |
| Kingbahamut | it isnt | 12:05 |
| Kingbahamut | Automatix and its issues | 12:05 |
| Kingbahamut | are a sympton of a much older problem | 12:05 |
| theCore | which one ? | 12:06 |
| Kingbahamut | the one that started the whole | 12:06 |
| Kingbahamut | Jdodson, Azz, Panickedthumb, Datawolf mess | 12:06 |
| Kingbahamut | months back | 12:06 |
| Kingbahamut | that is the origination of the problem | 12:06 |
| mdke | really, the problem is a more general one IMHO | 12:07 |
| Kingbahamut | again | 12:07 |
| Kingbahamut | its a matter of who controls what, and who doesnt | 12:07 |
| theCore | again .. | 12:07 |
| Kingbahamut | Automatix and its developer | 12:07 |
| mdke | and HOW they control it | 12:07 |
| Kingbahamut | chose to make statements | 12:07 |
| Kingbahamut | those statements were reacted to | 12:07 |
| Kingbahamut | posts were deleted | 12:07 |
| LaserJock | so it's basically a disagreement between people who don't want any moderation and those that want some | 12:07 |
| Kingbahamut | and threads were cencsored | 12:07 |
| Kingbahamut | correct LJ | 12:08 |
| Kingbahamut | on one side you have UG and the other staff that feel that moderation is nessecary, while some mods and admins have moderated unessecarily | 12:08 |
| Kingbahamut | on the other side you have azz and everyone behind him that state no moderation should ever occur | 12:08 |
| Kingbahamut | in any capacity | 12:08 |
| Kingbahamut | there has to be a happy medium | 12:08 |
| LaserJock | do you need more experience moderators perhaps? | 12:09 |
| Kingbahamut | I dont nessecarily condone the actions of my fellow staff | 12:09 |
| Kingbahamut | in many instances | 12:09 |
| Kingbahamut | Ive been one for 8 years | 12:09 |
| Kingbahamut | thats why I rare edit something unless its blatantly spam , ugly and sick or illegal | 12:10 |
| mdke | for me, the important thing is to leave a message when something is edited, and explain why | 12:10 |
| mdke | that way, no question of secrecy can arise, even by accident | 12:10 |
| Kingbahamut | I wont argue mdke , and in a staff discussion DEMANDED IT | 12:10 |
| mdke | people will not always be happy, but that's life | 12:10 |
| LaserJock | but you said that some mods and admins moderated unessecarily, is that because they were just inexperienced or because they had a personal problem with the posts? | 12:10 |
| Kingbahamut | of certain mods that would just mod and not state a reason | 12:10 |
| Kingbahamut | I suspect personal problems LJ | 12:11 |
| mdke | Kingbahamut, yeah it's important to give a reason | 12:11 |
| theCore | how big is the Azz gang ? | 12:11 |
| Kingbahamut | or some other involvement | 12:11 |
| Kingbahamut | how big? | 12:11 |
| Kingbahamut | without being utterly accusatory | 12:11 |
| Kingbahamut | or | 12:11 |
| mdke | gang is such an ugly word :) | 12:11 |
| Kingbahamut | conclusive | 12:11 |
| Kingbahamut | I would say the group that azz and others associate | 12:11 |
| Kingbahamut | is sizeably large | 12:11 |
| theCore | can you give me a number ? | 12:12 |
| Kingbahamut | I will say however its been nice to be called the better level headed of the bunch of the staff | 12:12 |
| Kingbahamut | but thats for another disucssion | 12:12 |
| Kingbahamut | theCore: best guess.....50? | 12:12 |
| Kingbahamut | thats a shot in the dark though | 12:13 |
| theCore | it's not that much ... | 12:13 |
| LaserJock | well, its been good to talk to you Kingbahamut about this. I think I have been getting a lot of info from the other side of the arguement | 12:13 |
| LaserJock | I like to stay balanced | 12:13 |
| Kingbahamut | I only have one request | 12:13 |
| Kingbahamut | you make it that way, your good with me | 12:13 |
| Kingbahamut | Direct Question = DIrect answer | 12:14 |
| LaserJock | right | 12:14 |
| mdke | hehe | 12:14 |
| Kingbahamut | The only bad question, the only bad request, is the one you dont ask me | 12:14 |
| Kingbahamut | I may not bend over backwards for yer | 12:14 |
| Kingbahamut | but Ill try mah best | 12:14 |
| LaserJock | cool | 12:15 |
| mdke | rob1, i hate your email client/server soooooo much! | 12:15 |
| mdke | i'm gonna kill it! | 12:15 |
| LaserJock | I honestly don't do much on the forums anymore because of the lack of moderation, but maybe I will give it a shot again | 12:16 |
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| mdke | bah | 12:22 |
| === mdke is struggling with postfix | ||
| LaserJock | mdke: need a bigger hammer? | 12:23 |
| mdke | yeah | 12:23 |
| LaserJock | that's what my dad always said | 12:23 |
| mdke | why the hell doesn't it know what I want it to do automatically?? | 12:23 |
| mdke | stupid POS | 12:23 |
| mdke | Burgwork, pong times 3, 3 strikes and you're out | 12:30 |
| theCore | i though of a way ubuntu could work: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/5529 | 12:34 |
| === mdke 's mind boggles | ||
| LaserJock | theCore: what do the arrow's represent? | 12:35 |
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| theCore | LaserJock, they mean "X elect Y" | 01:41 |
| theCore | (sorry again, for that sudden deconnection" | 01:42 |
| LaserJock | theCore: so what would the moderators moderate? Everyting Ubuntu? | 01:44 |
| theCore | LaserJock, the communities | 01:45 |
| LaserJock | makes sense | 01:45 |
| theCore | LaserJock, they would ensure a quality control on the wiki, doc, and forums | 01:46 |
| theCore | LaserJock, what do you think? | 01:47 |
| LaserJock | cool, I don't know if that will ever happen, but it would be good | 01:47 |
| theCore | LaserJock, i'm please to heard that :) | 01:48 |
| theCore | LaserJock, so, do you want to continue working on the guide ? | 01:50 |
| LaserJock | yeah, I just have other things to do too | 01:50 |
| Burgwork | mdke, sorry I was out | 02:01 |
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| mpt | I think Ubuntu should be run by a giant turtle | 02:20 |
| Burgwork | mpt, wtf!!! | 02:26 |
| theCore | nice, my project on sourceforge has been approved :D | 02:58 |
| LaserJock | theCore: what project ist that? | 03:29 |
| theCore | the Linux Gluing Project | 03:29 |
| theCore | tlgp.sf.net << there is nothing here for now | 03:31 |
| theCore | but i will fill this space with docs | 03:31 |
| LaserJock | so how is it going to be distributed? | 03:35 |
| theCore | in a tarball | 03:36 |
| theCore | to put in a personal server | 03:37 |
| theCore | but for now the whole site is too big | 03:38 |
| theCore | right now the whole thing is 190MB | 03:40 |
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| LaserJock | 190MB? | 03:41 |
| theCore | yep | 03:41 |
| theCore | it a full collection of doc, howto, dicto, guides | 03:43 |
| Kingbahamut | thats pretty sizeable | 03:43 |
| Kingbahamut | for just text documents | 03:43 |
| theCore | just the HOWTO dir is 90MB | 03:44 |
| === Kingbahamut glares. | ||
| Kingbahamut | referenced to what? | 03:44 |
| theCore | linux | 03:44 |
| Kingbahamut | core linux | 03:44 |
| Kingbahamut | or distro depedent? | 03:44 |
| theCore | core linux, with a little tendence to ubuntu | 03:45 |
| Kingbahamut | Such a thing would save me some time , I still write documentation with that Slackware slant in my head | 03:45 |
| Kingbahamut | probably why I prefer CLI so much | 03:46 |
| theCore | CLI? | 03:46 |
| Kingbahamut | Command Line Interface | 03:46 |
| LaserJock | Kingbahamut: yeah, I came from Gentoo so I want to compile everything | 03:46 |
| Kingbahamut | my first linux experience was | 03:46 |
| theCore | a ok | 03:46 |
| Kingbahamut | a Floppy Slackware isntall , pre 95 | 03:46 |
| theCore | lol, my second | 03:46 |
| theCore | wow | 03:46 |
| Kingbahamut | I still have that box too | 03:47 |
| theCore | i love old distro | 03:47 |
| Kingbahamut | amidst my junk | 03:47 |
| LaserJock | somehow I never got into Slack. I don't think I even installed it once | 03:47 |
| Kingbahamut | every year or so | 03:47 |
| Kingbahamut | I do a floppy slack install | 03:47 |
| Kingbahamut | just to refersh my memory | 03:47 |
| Kingbahamut | but my primary computer experience, the initial one at least | 03:48 |
| Kingbahamut | was in 1986 on a SunOS machine | 03:48 |
| Kingbahamut | back then Sun was based loosely on BSD code, rather than the System V that Solaris took | 03:49 |
| theCore | i wasn't even born at this time :P | 03:49 |
| Kingbahamut | Though even then, to now | 03:49 |
| Kingbahamut | Solaris has changed alot | 03:49 |
| Kingbahamut | LaserJock: Gentoo Geek? | 03:50 |
| LaserJock | Kingbahamut: yeah, for over 2 years I think | 03:50 |
| Kingbahamut | I tried | 03:50 |
| Kingbahamut | sadly | 03:50 |
| Kingbahamut | I could never quite get the hang of it | 03:50 |
| Kingbahamut | dont laugh | 03:50 |
| LaserJock | I looked for a binary equivilent and ended up at Ubuntu | 03:50 |
| Kingbahamut | I even tried | 03:50 |
| Kingbahamut | *shudders* | 03:50 |
| Kingbahamut | VidaLinux | 03:50 |
| LaserJock | Kingbahamut: it is different | 03:50 |
| Kingbahamut | one of my 20 test boxes is still a VidaLinux machine | 03:51 |
| theCore | there is one distro that is still on my heart , Linux From Scratch | 03:52 |
| Kingbahamut | LFS isnt is just a book? | 03:52 |
| theCore | yea | 03:52 |
| Kingbahamut | ive run (even if for only a few days) probably anywhere from 30 to 40 | 03:52 |
| Kingbahamut | of the Top 100 on Distrowatch | 03:52 |
| Kingbahamut | just to see | 03:52 |
| Kingbahamut | of those, Id have to say OneBase was the worst | 03:53 |
| Kingbahamut | with ArkLinux being a close 2nd | 03:53 |
| LaserJock | Kingbahamut: what do like best? Ubuntu and Slack? | 03:53 |
| Kingbahamut | Ubuntu by far | 03:53 |
| theCore | yay | 03:53 |
| Kingbahamut | I wouldnt spend so much time on the forums | 03:53 |
| Kingbahamut | and the Doc Facility | 03:53 |
| HrdwrBoB | slackware is obsolete | 03:53 |
| Kingbahamut | if I didnt like it | 03:54 |
| HrdwrBoB | in my considered opinion | 03:54 |
| Kingbahamut | BoB, not obslete | 03:54 |
| HrdwrBoB | it's a relic of a time gone by | 03:54 |
| Kingbahamut | just unpopular | 03:54 |
| HrdwrBoB | it's unpopular for a reason | 03:54 |
| Kingbahamut | You have to give Volkerdink credit though | 03:54 |
| HrdwrBoB | I used slackware in 1996 | 03:54 |
| HrdwrBoB | look, absolutely | 03:54 |
| theCore | slackware is too tough to maintain | 03:54 |
| Kingbahamut | for him keeping on | 03:54 |
| HrdwrBoB | but slackware's time has been and gone | 03:54 |
| Kingbahamut | as long as he has | 03:54 |
| LaserJock | Kingbahamut: yeah, it is amazing for one man | 03:54 |
| Kingbahamut | specially with his illness last year | 03:55 |
| Kingbahamut | was supposed to See him on Linux Lunacy | 03:55 |
| Kingbahamut | last year but didnt | 03:55 |
| Kingbahamut | that was a blast ride, if GC offers it again, Id recommend it | 03:57 |
| theCore | i decapitated docs :( | 04:03 |
| theCore | my docs* | 04:03 |
| Kingbahamut | decapitated? | 04:03 |
| theCore | yea, striped 120MB out of my docs | 04:04 |
| LaserJock | theCore: where do you get these docs? | 04:05 |
| theCore | many places | 04:05 |
| LaserJock | what about licenses? | 04:05 |
| theCore | but most come from tldp.org | 04:05 |
| theCore | all GPL | 04:05 |
| theCore | that awesome 'rm -rf ' command | 04:06 |
| LaserJock | convenient | 04:06 |
| theCore | yes | 04:06 |
| Kingbahamut | hmmm | 04:07 |
| Kingbahamut | careful with that | 04:07 |
| Kingbahamut | thats a very unweildy lightsaber with a mind of its own command | 04:07 |
| theCore | lol | 04:07 |
| theCore | 'sudo rm -rf /' <-- my personal favourite | 04:08 |
| Kingbahamut | geeze | 04:09 |
| Kingbahamut | dont tell an enduser that | 04:09 |
| theCore | lol | 04:09 |
| Kingbahamut | or if you do | 04:09 |
| Kingbahamut | make sure hes in irc | 04:09 |
| Kingbahamut | and tell him if he does do it | 04:09 |
| Kingbahamut | it will fix his problem | 04:09 |
| theCore | a total system decapitation | 04:09 |
| Kingbahamut | and he will still remain in the channel | 04:09 |
| theCore | lol | 04:10 |
| Kingbahamut | ie "Quick Everyone Im being hacked how do I stop it!?!?!?!" | 04:10 |
| Kingbahamut | "Hurry, open up an xterm window and type sudo rm / -fr" | 04:10 |
| theCore | really ? | 04:11 |
| Kingbahamut | used to tell them in the old irc days to unplug the modem cable | 04:11 |
| Kingbahamut | and that would stop the attack | 04:11 |
| theCore | i gonna try that right now | 04:11 |
| Kingbahamut | lol | 04:11 |
| Kingbahamut | I am of course | 04:11 |
| Kingbahamut | kidding | 04:11 |
| theCore | lol | 04:11 |
| Kingbahamut | there should be a bit | 04:12 |
| Kingbahamut | written into the kernel | 04:12 |
| Kingbahamut | that stops you from doing that | 04:12 |
| Kingbahamut | kind of like if you issue that command you get a | 04:12 |
| Kingbahamut | EVERYTHING WILL BE DETELED IF YOU DO THIS, ARE YOU SURE? | 04:12 |
| theCore | it wouldn't be tough to implement ... | 04:13 |
| Kingbahamut | one can dream | 04:13 |
| Kingbahamut | cant one? | 04:13 |
| theCore | maybe | 04:13 |
| Kingbahamut | record you hold for installing linux on the same system in one day? | 04:13 |
| theCore | hum, 3, i think ? | 04:14 |
| Kingbahamut | ill be quiet then | 04:14 |
| theCore | why ? | 04:14 |
| Kingbahamut | learning to recompile the kernel | 04:14 |
| Kingbahamut | cause KP | 04:14 |
| Kingbahamut | like | 04:14 |
| Kingbahamut | 8 times | 04:14 |
| theCore | KP ? | 04:15 |
| Kingbahamut | Kernel Panic | 04:15 |
| theCore | lol | 04:15 |
| Kingbahamut | was not a pretty sight that day | 04:15 |
| Kingbahamut | for sure | 04:15 |
| theCore | compling a kernel is not tough | 04:15 |
| Kingbahamut | I guess I couldnt wrap my head around it that day | 04:16 |
| Kingbahamut | or something, who knows | 04:16 |
| Kingbahamut | was a Data Recovery Specialist back then | 04:16 |
| Kingbahamut | my office laughed at me for weeks | 04:16 |
| HrdwrBoB | you REINSTALLED | 04:17 |
| HrdwrBoB | because you broke the kernel?> | 04:17 |
| Kingbahamut | lol | 04:17 |
| Kingbahamut | go on | 04:17 |
| Kingbahamut | laugh | 04:17 |
| Kingbahamut | its ok | 04:17 |
| Kingbahamut | I can take it | 04:17 |
| Kingbahamut | that was a long time ago too | 04:17 |
| === theCore laugh out loud | ||
| Kingbahamut | I only get one person laughing for that | 04:18 |
| Kingbahamut | sigh | 04:18 |
| Kingbahamut | im losing my touch | 04:18 |
| === theCore laugh out loud for 3 peoples | ||
| Kingbahamut | To err human, to forgive divine I suppose | 04:20 |
| HrdwrBoB | well | 04:20 |
| HrdwrBoB | I just thought maybe after the first... SIX TIMES | 04:20 |
| HrdwrBoB | you might have learnt something :) | 04:21 |
| Kingbahamut | well | 04:21 |
| Kingbahamut | as I go back on that experience | 04:21 |
| Kingbahamut | I was doing like 4 recoveries | 04:21 |
| Kingbahamut | 2 of which were for JPL | 04:21 |
| Kingbahamut | and I remember just angry enough to bust a keyboard or two while I was doin it all | 04:22 |
| theCore | there should be a #ubuntu-politic chanel | 04:32 |
| LaserJock | theCore: man, I don't know | 04:34 |
| Kingbahamut | politic channel/ | 04:34 |
| theCore | LaserJock, why not ? | 04:34 |
| Kingbahamut | that alone scares me | 04:34 |
| theCore | lol | 04:34 |
| theCore | it would be fun | 04:34 |
| Kingbahamut | no | 04:35 |
| Kingbahamut | I just dont think so | 04:35 |
| LaserJock | theCore: I just can't imagine it would be anything but a giant troll | 04:35 |
| theCore | lol | 04:35 |
| Kingbahamut | The forums argument over the last few days | 04:35 |
| Kingbahamut | you want an entire channel of that stuff? | 04:35 |
| Kingbahamut | phew, that could get well | 04:36 |
| Kingbahamut | rough | 04:36 |
| theCore | it would probably help to evacuate the pressure | 04:37 |
| Kingbahamut | hmmm | 04:37 |
| Kingbahamut | that gives a strange analogy to me | 04:37 |
| theCore | which one? | 04:37 |
| Kingbahamut | Lets go and put 5 megatons of Dynamite under a building , because the intense pressure of that building is so great | 04:37 |
| Kingbahamut | that it has to come down right | 04:37 |
| Kingbahamut | but when you detonate that stuff | 04:38 |
| Kingbahamut | more than the building is going to come down | 04:38 |
| theCore | lol, you are probably right about this one :P | 04:38 |
| Kingbahamut | I dunno | 04:39 |
| Kingbahamut | just call it like I see | 04:39 |
| Kingbahamut | it | 04:39 |
| theCore | it would be fun, though | 04:39 |
| Kingbahamut | someone tell me im an idiot if its not that way | 04:39 |
| theCore | *silence* | 04:43 |
| theCore | i'm up: tlgp.sf.net | 04:46 |
| LaserJock | theCore: so you collect all the docs and put them at in one place? | 04:55 |
| theCore | LaserJock, yep | 04:55 |
| LaserJock | theCore: do you have to do anything? | 04:55 |
| theCore | LaserJock, i will try to glue them together | 04:56 |
| Kingbahamut | hmmm | 04:56 |
| theCore | LaserJock, but not now | 04:56 |
| Kingbahamut | I hear crazy glue does wonders | 04:56 |
| Kingbahamut | just dont get it on your hands | 04:56 |
| LaserJock | theCore: what do you mean by glue? | 04:56 |
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| theCore | LaserJock, remove redundencies, use the same style for all page, stuff like that ... | 04:57 |
| LaserJock | ok | 04:58 |
| theCore | what do you think? | 04:58 |
| LaserJock | interesting, pretty ambitious | 04:59 |
| LaserJock | I am checking out some stuff right now, I need to learn bash scripting ;-) | 04:59 |
| Kingbahamut | that seems very portable theCore | 04:59 |
| theCore | portable ? | 05:00 |
| Kingbahamut | movable from where it is | 05:00 |
| Kingbahamut | to somewhere else | 05:00 |
| theCore | ah yes, | 05:01 |
| Kingbahamut | I guess adaptable is a better way to put i t | 05:01 |
| theCore | Kingbahamut, i'm working on a new design: http://tlgp.sourceforge.net/newdesign | 05:03 |
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| theCore | any comments on this page ? http://tlgp.sourceforge.net/best-comp/ | 05:10 |
| LaserJock | theCore: why do you want that? | 05:12 |
| theCore | LaserJock, dunno .. | 05:12 |
| theCore | n/m then | 05:12 |
| LaserJock | that is what I would like to get, except less case and more hard drive | 05:13 |
| LaserJock | theCore: I just wondered why it was at your tlgp site? | 05:13 |
| theCore | i dunno, it was one my ideas of website, so i decide to put a small page in the misc. area | 05:15 |
| LaserJock | interesting | 05:15 |
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| rob1 | mdke, yes as do I. its lookout express (on windows NT), we aren't upgrading to windows xp until next year | 05:53 |
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| Lewix | hi | 05:53 |
| Lewix | <Lewix> I have a laptop , toshiba M40/M45 serie and I've downloaded the iso dvd of ubuntu. when I boot and type enter there's things that loads up then my screen goes black. as well with the dvd screen as with the install. I tried linux vga=771 with the live dvd because i want to be sure that it works before installing and I all seem to work till I got a erro message about xserver | 05:53 |
| Madpilot | Lewix: this isn't really a help channel - please try the main #ubuntu channel | 05:58 |
| Lewix | ive tried it for 3days | 05:58 |
| Lewix | nobody anwser they just ignore me | 05:59 |
| LaserJock | Lewix: it might not be that they are ignoring you, just that they don't know | 05:59 |
| Lewix | maybe | 05:59 |
| Lewix | I may be the only one with this problem | 06:00 |
| Lewix | didn't find a solution on the net | 06:00 |
| theCore | Lewix, did you tried the forums ? | 06:00 |
| Lewix | of course | 06:00 |
| Lewix | I find some ppl with the same problem but no solutions | 06:00 |
| theCore | Lewix, did you tried the CD version of ubuntu | 06:01 |
| Lewix | yep the same | 06:01 |
| Lewix | then I 'downlaoded the dvd version | 06:01 |
| theCore | Lewix, i think i know what is it | 06:02 |
| Lewix | really? | 06:02 |
| theCore | Lewix, can you boot the console, at least ? | 06:03 |
| theCore | maybe | 06:03 |
| Lewix | hmm ? I'm a newbie | 06:03 |
| Lewix | they say something like you didn't set up the xserver | 06:04 |
| Lewix | when I' put the live cd and type linux vga=771 | 06:04 |
| theCore | but can you login in the "command prompt" | 06:04 |
| Lewix | otherwise if I just type enter it loads up files and then the screen turn black | 06:04 |
| Lewix | command prompt? do you mean the boot screen ? | 06:05 |
| LaserJock | Lewix: but you have tried just hitting enter? no vga= | 06:06 |
| theCore | Lewix, let a couple of minutes so I can find a solution | 06:08 |
| theCore | Lewix, what is your graphic card? | 06:08 |
| Lewix | ati | 06:09 |
| theCore | X600 ? | 06:09 |
| Lewix | intel celeron M processor 380, 1.6ghz 512ddram 80gb | 06:10 |
| Lewix | hmm dunno let me check | 06:10 |
| Lewix | ati radeon express 200m serie | 06:10 |
| Lewix | LaserJock: both | 06:11 |
| theCore | Lewix, you will probalbly need to make a custom kernel ... | 06:13 |
| Lewix | custom kernel, I'm really a newbie | 06:13 |
| theCore | Lewix, i trying to found an easier path for you | 06:14 |
| Lewix | thanks a lot | 06:14 |
| theCore | is it the m40 or m50 model ? | 06:15 |
| Lewix | It's written like that: satellite toshiba M40/M45 series in a manual | 06:17 |
| Lewix | how can I know exactly the model | 06:17 |
| Madpilot | turn the machine over and look at the labels underneath? | 06:17 |
| Lewix | k | 06:18 |
| theCore | it should be written somewhere under the laptop | 06:18 |
| Lewix | thanks | 06:18 |
| Lewix | toshiba M45- S169 system unit | 06:19 |
| theCore | good | 06:19 |
| theCore | what is the current operating system on it ? | 06:20 |
| Lewix | windows | 06:20 |
| theCore | du you have the install cd? | 06:20 |
| theCore | do* | 06:21 |
| Lewix | dvd | 06:21 |
| theCore | you have it? | 06:21 |
| Lewix | inside there is a live version | 06:21 |
| Lewix | and the installer | 06:21 |
| theCore | no, i'm talking about windows | 06:21 |
| Lewix | yep normally | 06:21 |
| theCore | i found on the web, that there is a problem with the LiveCD but not with the install cd | 06:22 |
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| theCore | so, if i where you i would make a backup of you windows files, and try to install ubuntu | 06:23 |
| theCore | s/you/your/ | 06:23 |
| Lewix | with linux vga=771? hmm the fact is I wanted to resize my hd first with the live cd | 06:24 |
| theCore | ewh, bad idea | 06:25 |
| Lewix | ohh | 06:25 |
| Lewix | why ? | 06:25 |
| theCore | resizing partition is an arcane art | 06:25 |
| Lewix | with qparted | 06:25 |
| Lewix | arcane art / | 06:25 |
| Lewix | ? | 06:25 |
| theCore | the best thing would be to start with a fresh winXP install | 06:27 |
| theCore | on a partition smaller than the hard drive | 06:28 |
| theCore | then install ubuntu | 06:28 |
| theCore | the biggest problem you may encounter, with this scenario, is that linux don't detect your network card | 06:30 |
| bhuvan | bshumate, ping | 06:31 |
| theCore | Lewix, ? are you still here ? | 06:31 |
| Lewix | yes | 06:31 |
| theCore | so what do you think ? | 06:32 |
| Lewix | well I'll try to install it like that but I really want to resize first | 06:33 |
| Lewix | no choice | 06:33 |
| theCore | you can't do a backup ? | 06:33 |
| Lewix | not really, but ok let's say I do a backup. how can I partition the disk before installing windows considering that I just have the recovery cd of my laptop | 06:34 |
| theCore | you just have a winXP recovery disk ? | 06:35 |
| theCore | that doesn't give much freedom ... | 06:36 |
| Lewix | yep | 06:37 |
| LaserJock | Lewix: a copy of Partition Magic would go a long ways | 06:37 |
| Lewix | hmm | 06:38 |
| theCore | yea it's probably the only solution .. | 06:38 |
| Lewix | where can I find it ? any idea ? | 06:39 |
| theCore | http://www.soft32.com/download_151.html | 06:40 |
| Lewix | hey have a look https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportMachinesLaptopsToshiba | 06:40 |
| Lewix | on my laptop maybe you'll understand | 06:40 |
| theCore | hmm, i see | 06:41 |
| theCore | it say "Need to install with framebuffer off; video needs ATI's proprietary driver, but using kernel module hangs the machine" | 06:43 |
| theCore | now, i must find out how to do that | 06:43 |
| Lewix | lol I'm a newbie. forgot ? | 06:43 |
| theCore | Lewix, don't worry i will get over the "geek" stuff for you | 06:44 |
| Lewix | thanks man | 06:45 |
| Lewix | you really help | 06:45 |
| theCore | at least, i try | 06:46 |
| theCore | i think there is a "laptop" in boot menu, did you tried it ? | 06:49 |
| Lewix | nope | 06:50 |
| Lewix | where did you read that copy the link here :> | 06:50 |
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| theCore | good night everyone | 07:38 |
| rob1 | bye | 07:39 |
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| rob1 | :) | 11:31 |
| jsgotangco | later | 11:57 |
| jsgotangco | its friday night! | 11:57 |
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| rob1 | hi jjesse | 02:34 |
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| bshumate | Burgwork? | 02:57 |
| Lewix | . | 03:00 |
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| jjesse | hello rob1 | 03:03 |
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| mdke | Burgwork, pong | 03:13 |
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| mdke | rob1, has Madpilot's common tasks patch been applied? | 03:20 |
| jjesse | morning mdke | 03:27 |
| mdke | ello | 03:28 |
| jjesse | did we decide anything about s.u.c or just a lot of discussion? | 03:28 |
| mdke | no, nothing decided | 03:28 |
| mdke | i don't think it's for us to decide tbh | 03:28 |
| jjesse | oh | 03:28 |
| jjesse | but i heard that we will be in charge of creating it or filling the content | 03:29 |
| mdke | jjesse, Burgwork was suggesting that yes | 03:29 |
| mdke | but as to whether it will happen, i think that is a decision for the TB more than us | 03:29 |
| jjesse | ok | 03:39 |
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| mdke | hi highvoltage ! | 04:17 |
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| mdke | rob1, forget it, my email is just arriving like 10 hours late, i see the commit now | 04:38 |
| jjesse | is there that big of a difference between the ubuntu packaging guide doc being written and the kubuntu packaging guide on the wiki (w.u.c/KubuntuPackagingGuide)?? | 04:42 |
| mdke | i noticed that today | 04:42 |
| mdke | we can ask laserjock | 04:42 |
| mdke | probably, they have used it | 04:43 |
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| jjesse | if there is a big difference then we should include ubuntu packaging in ubuntu-docs and kbunt packaging in kubuntu-docs? | 04:46 |
| mdke | yeah but i don't see how they would be | 04:47 |
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| mdke | hey LaserJock | 06:33 |
| mdke | did you see: w.u.c/KubuntuPackagingGuide | 06:33 |
| LaserJock | no, I don't think I have | 06:35 |
| mdke | check it out :) | 06:35 |
| LaserJock | it's hard to keep track of all the different combinations | 06:35 |
| mdke | we were wondering if the packaging guide can be shipped with both kubuntu and ubuntu or if kubuntu needs a speshul one | 06:36 |
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| LaserJock | mdke: I don't think so, really there are just a couple of differences in dependencies | 06:36 |
| LaserJock | mdke: It would probably be good to just have a Kubuntu section | 06:36 |
| mdke | cool | 06:37 |
| LaserJock | but we should do something, thanks for bringing that up | 06:38 |
| mdke | maybe you can work with the authors of that page | 06:38 |
| LaserJock | yeah, I know a few of those guys | 06:39 |
| LaserJock | ok, added Kubuntu to the outline | 06:41 |
| mdke | rock | 06:41 |
| jjesse | mdke: weekends are usually busy for me for a dekstopguide mtg but i can try and schedule around it, i'm GMT -5 | 07:16 |
| mdke | cool thanks, we can arrange a mutually good time | 07:17 |
| mdke | -> afk | 07:18 |
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| jjesse | anyone else having issues w/ freenode always dropppping them? | 08:40 |
| teroedni | nope | 08:40 |
| teroedni | happends much with you? | 08:40 |
| jjesse | 4th time today | 08:40 |
| Kingbahamut | hmmm | 08:42 |
| Kingbahamut | I have it happen on occasion | 08:42 |
| Kingbahamut | not sure if its the traf on my network or freenode itself | 08:42 |
| jjesse | friday afternoon is always a light day at work traffic wise for the connection | 08:42 |
| teroedni | hmm | 08:45 |
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