[12:13] <sistpoty> hi folks
[12:14] <JohnnyMast> hi there sistpoty
[12:14] <sistpoty> hi JohnnyMast
[12:22] <TheMuso> Hey sistpoty, JohnnyMast.
[12:22] <sistpoty> hi TheMuso
[12:22] <JohnnyMast> :) hi man welcome back amongs the wake
[12:23] <TheMuso> I have been up for ages. Just been doing other things.
[12:23] <TheMuso> It is 10:24 AM here.
[12:24] <JohnnyMast> 00:24 here :/
[12:24] <TheMuso> Aha.
[12:24] <JohnnyMast> is this broken firefox thing known on dapper or is it just me ?
[12:25] <JohnnyMast> belgje waar ben je dan mijn joingen
[12:25] <sistpoty> no idea... I'm still on breezy
[12:25] <JohnnyMast> i just switched
[12:25] <JohnnyMast> so where are you from sistpoty ?
[12:26] <TheMuso> sistpoty: Same. I only work in dapper chroots/pbuilder sessions.
[12:26] <sistpoty> I'm from Nuremberg, Germany (or a smaller town near Nuremberg)
[12:26] <JohnnyMast> so you where to the ubuntu meeting ?
[12:27] <sistpoty> what meeting? ubz? no, I wasn't there... didn't have the time :/
[12:27] <slomo> siretart: please try to fix mplayer for amd64... fabbione told me to enable win32 stuff there and it fails ;)
[12:27] <sistpoty> hi slomo
[12:27] <slomo> hi sistpoty :)
[12:27] <slomo> and can someone give me pbuilder access to an ia64 box? ;)
[12:28] <sistpoty> sorry, but I could need it as well ;)
[12:28] <sistpoty> slomo: what prob do you have?
[12:28] <slomo> http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/x/xine-lib/1.1.1-0ubuntu1/
[12:29] <slomo> it can't inline something... i'll try to remove the inline keyword on that function ;)
[12:32] <sistpoty> hm... I can't even see where the error comes from: "make[6] : *** [h263.lo]  Error 1" but only warnings before
[12:32] <slomo> sistpoty: h263.c:69: sorry, unimplemented: inlining failed in call to 'mpeg4_decode_dc': function body not available
[12:33] <sistpoty> ah
[12:34] <sistpoty> I guess it's complete nonsense, but I've had trouble with gcc/ia64 recently as well: gcc bug #17224
[12:34] <Ubugtu> Error: Error getting Malone bug #17224: Bug does not exist
[12:34] <sistpoty> http://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=17224
[12:34] <Ubugtu> gcc bug #17224: [3.4/4.0 Regression] : relocation truncated to fit: GPREL22 Product: gcc, Component: target, Severity: minor, Assigned to: rth@gcc.gnu.org, Status: RESOLVED, Resolution: FIXED http://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=17224
[12:35] <slomo> Ubugtu is nice :)
[12:35] <JohnnyMast> yeah i do agree
[12:35] <sistpoty> hehe, but he can't read my mind yet ;)
[12:35] <TheMuso> Thats so cool.
[12:35] <slomo> anyway... need to sleep :) i'll see if it builds now tomorrow ;) gn8 everybody
[12:36] <sistpoty> gn8 slomo
[12:38] <JohnnyMast> gn slomo
[12:41] <herve> good night
[12:52] <LaserJock> hi \sh
[12:52] <\sh> re
[12:53] <TheMuso> How similar is setting up a Debian unstable chroot to the process for breezy/dapper etc?
[12:53] <LaserJock> TheMuso: the same except it's Debian
[12:54] <LaserJock> I think it is good to make a sarge chroot and upgrade it to unstable
[12:54] <TheMuso> Minus the sudo stuff I guess, thanks.
[12:54] <\sh> fck
[12:54] <TheMuso> LaserJock: Why?
[12:54] <\sh> 115 in less then an hour
[12:54] <TheMuso> Any particular reason?
[12:54] <LaserJock> sometimes the debootsrap doesn't behave well for unstable, same for dapper I think
[12:55] <TheMuso> hmmm ok.
[12:56] <LaserJock> \sh: I had a good motu-school session with selenium today
[12:56] <\sh> LaserJock: nice...and I had a just better resignment today :)
[12:56] <LaserJock> TheMuso: anyway that is how I did it
[12:57] <TheMuso> LaserJock: Ok thanks.
[12:57] <Seveas> \sh, yeah I saw that on planet
[12:57] <LaserJock> me too
[12:57] <Seveas> you were quite angry, I guess
[12:57] <\sh> angry? no...I WAS PISSED, actually....
[01:00] <sistpoty> poor \sh
[01:01] <SEJeff> \sh: What sucked so bad?
[01:01] <\sh> sistpoty: na...not poor :)
[01:01] <sistpoty> :)
[01:02] <\sh> SEJeff: well..if you fire people just because you want to sell a company...you should know the people you are firing.
[01:02] <\sh> I just asked those guys, if they know at least one of those people they want to fire.....
[01:02] <\sh> they don't know
[01:03] <\sh> I learned in my early days, how to fire people...and it's not something I liked, at least when I know the name and the face...
[01:03] <SEJeff> \sh: I see why you are so pissed. Good choice. I sent your cv to a tech recruiter I know that works with IBM a lot
[01:03] <magnon> let them know early, and work with them to find a new position. yay
[01:03] <magnon> hey stephan by the way
[01:04] <\sh> so I gave this shit my hand, gave him my name...and excused myself, that I'm resinging..all buddies from this company were standing around and were a bit shocked...
[01:04] <\sh> because this guy is my big big boss...
[01:04] <\sh> hey magnon you have the job?
[01:05] <SEJeff> \sh: But what will you do now?
[01:05] <\sh> SEJeff: searching a new job?
[01:05] <magnon> \sh: which one?
[01:05] <\sh> magnon: well..dunno...anyone?
[01:05] <SEJeff> \sh: good luck
[01:05] <magnon> I'm probably working in the Parliament after new year's
[01:06] <magnon> which is cool but no ubuntu
[01:06] <\sh> SEJeff: thx I'm 35 :) I need all the luck of the world :)
[01:06] <sistpoty> but you have experience... _much_ experience \sh ;)
[01:06] <\sh> sistpoty: today..this doesn't mean anything
[01:07] <sistpoty> args... I'll still have maybe a year of university, before I'll need to look for a job. and I'm 26 already :/
[01:08] <magnon> sistpoty: Do it my way, private studies ;)
[01:08] <sistpoty> magnon: private studies?
[01:08] <magnon> well
[01:08] <magnon> you pay for an exam, get a list of books, read them and do the stuff
[01:09] <magnon> since I live in a good country, I can pop into any uni session when I have time
[01:09] <JohnnyMast> what country is that ?
[01:10] <magnon> JohnnyMast: The country where unemployment sank, economy was stable and awesome, people were getting more welfare, and education and research was rising, but people still voted for the opposition
[01:10] <magnon> Norway
[01:10] <magnon> goddamn socialists :)
[01:10] <JohnnyMast> isnt that where aba came from ?
[01:10] <sistpoty> hm... strange thing is, I wouldn't want to miss a year I spent studying... also I didn't always focus on study I learned really much (and apart from that all that's left for me is diploma thesis and nebenfach exam [don't know the english word for it] )
[01:10] <\sh> JohnnyMast: abba came from sweden
[01:11] <JohnnyMast> bingo ur right :)
[01:11] <magnon> JohnnyMast: A-ha came from Norway
[01:11] <JohnnyMast> i know norwegian ppl
[01:11] <magnon> so did the cheese slicer
[01:11] <\sh> "Take on me..take me on" :)
[01:11] <\sh> 1984
[01:11] <JohnnyMast> :p
[01:11] <JohnnyMast> oooooooooooh
[01:11] <JohnnyMast> nice song !!
[01:11] <\sh> nice video
[01:12] <sistpoty> it is :)
[01:12] <JohnnyMast> yep with the cartoon right ?
[01:12] <\sh> I kissed my first girl at this time while watching with here this video
[01:12] <\sh> s/here/her/
[01:12] <JohnnyMast> awww how romantic
[01:12] <sistpoty> hehe
[01:12] <magnon> sistpoty: I'd say working at the secretary of parliament while doing some political science studies on the side is a good combo :)
[01:13] <\sh> JohnnyMast: I was 13
[01:13] <sistpoty> magnon: sure it is ;)
[01:13] <JohnnyMast> yes but was that in 84 ?
[01:13] <\sh> JohnnyMast: jepp
[01:13] <JohnnyMast> ow man
[01:13] <magnon> two years before I was even born
[01:13] <JohnnyMast> im a youngster compared to you
[01:13] <JohnnyMast> your 11 years older then me
[01:14] <JohnnyMast> i was released 2 years before :)
[01:14] <magnon> on a side note, why do you germans have to be at parties with immoral music like A-ha to kiss people
[01:14] <sistpoty> lol
[01:14] <\sh> magnon: i never said I was on a party
[01:14] <\sh> magnon: I was laying on her bed
[01:14] <magnon> I assumed, you drunkard :)
[01:14] <JohnnyMast> we have our selfs the best band in the world
[01:14] <JohnnyMast> golden  earing
[01:15] <magnon> still doesn't beat moonlight near the oslo fjord :P
[01:15] <\sh> magnon: what do i want to oslo fjord when I can touch her breast and have her tongue in my mouth?
[01:16] <sistpoty> oh wonderful... I didn't break the merge-list while updating it's status :)
[01:16] <magnon> \sh: why not have it all?
[01:16] <magnon> but shh, there might be minors
[01:16] <sistpoty> 95 -> 209 merges to be done :(
[01:16] <JohnnyMast> level is droping .....
[01:16] <raphink> I should get to it soon
[01:16] <\sh> magnon: I was 13 :)
[01:17] <sistpoty> tststs
[01:17] <JohnnyMast> 34 now
[01:17] <magnon> this is, by the way, the day after the norwegian Supreme Court decided that uncensored porn to a certain degree is legal
[01:17] <Nafallo> sistpoty: MOM opened again or something?
[01:18] <sistpoty> Nafallo: 1) seems like it did (saw a log from today) and 2) merge-list didn't show all mom-logs yet
[01:18] <Nafallo> oh. nice.
[01:18] <sistpoty> s/today/yesterday/
[01:19] <JohnnyMast> what if motu grows and grows
[01:19] <JohnnyMast> would that not be bad ? if it gets to big ?
[01:20] <\sh> JohnnyMast: hmmm....
[01:20] <JohnnyMast> suppose we have 1024 motu`s realy good ppl
[01:20] <LaserJock> JohnnyMast: seems like that's pretty far in the futur
[01:20] <sistpoty> JohnnyMast: what do you mean with motu?
[01:20] <JohnnyMast> but still
[01:20] <magnon> JohnnyMast: Just requires administration
[01:20] <sistpoty> ah
[01:20] <magnon> More of it, at least
[01:20] <JohnnyMast> then your done within a few days with the merge list
[01:20] <LaserJock> does anybody know how many DDs there are?
[01:20] <JohnnyMast> ppl are waiting for there first bug fix to get there hands on in a week
[01:21] <Nafallo> LaserJock: 1000+ last I heard :-)
[01:21] <LaserJock> Nafallo: thanks, that's quite a bit
[01:21] <sistpoty> JohnnyMast: more motu's would never be bad... currently motu's try to group in teams, but still everybody seems to care for everything
[01:21] <Nafallo> LaserJock: well, they do have 18000+ packages to maintain ;-)
[01:21] <Nafallo> (or something like that)
[01:22] <LaserJock> Nafallo: we've got a few too ;-)
[01:22] <magnon> sistpoty: which is some form of education :)
[01:22] <magnon> eeerm
[01:22] <magnon> organisation
[01:22] <magnon> brainfart
[01:22] <sistpoty> hehe, sure magnon
[01:22] <JohnnyMast> well
[01:22] <JohnnyMast> the problem could be @ malone
[01:22] <magnon> my political theorist jumps in and thinks this is interesting from a scientific point of view as well :P
[01:23] <JohnnyMast> when new reporters (bug reporters) are not instructed to post gaim bugs / kopete to MOTU instant messaging
[01:23] <LaserJock> my scientist jumps in and thinks this is interesting from a political point of view as well ;-)
[01:23] <JohnnyMast> so this group cares for other bugs because there are out of work
[01:24] <ajmitch> sistpoty: did that list of mine turn out useful?
[01:24] <sistpoty> JohnnyMast: it's a difficult situation, since we don't have the maintainer modell. you'd need some automatic assignement of packages (and thus bugs) <-> teams
[01:24] <JohnnyMast> but okey ... hey ppl im off to bed !
[01:24] <LaserJock> JohnnyMast: the teams can reassign the bugs to themselves
[01:25] <JohnnyMast> LaserJock uhu
[01:25] <sistpoty> ajmitch: I didn't take the list, but the script was/is very useful... exactly what I needed
[01:25] <LaserJock> Kyral: hi
[01:25] <sistpoty> gn8 JohnnyMast
[01:25] <JohnnyMast> sleepwell
[01:25] <Kyral> hey LaserJock
[01:26] <ajmitch> sistpoty: great, madison-lite is fixed on tiber as well :)
[01:26] <LaserJock> Kyral: @ubuntu.com email work yet?
[01:26] <sistpoty> hehe
[01:26] <Kyral> LaserJock: didn't check today
[01:26] <Kyral> does yours?
[01:27] <sistpoty> ajmitch: I guess your script is still much faster than madison-lite the way I use it... (in http://revu.tauware.de/~sistpoty/mergeWebTool/scripts/parseMoMFile.py)
[01:27] <LaserJock> Kyral: nope
[01:27] <ajmitch> sistpoty: merge page traceback!
[01:28] <sistpoty> args, I knew I would break it again :/
[01:28] <sistpoty> ajmitch: thx, fixed
[01:28] <ajmitch> sistpoty: you lifted large chunks of my code without rewriting? ;)
[01:29] <ajmitch> http://revu.tauware.de/~sistpoty/MoM/index.py?state=new has last_email@here entries?
[01:29] <sistpoty> ajmitch: I only changed one line... and the scripts I wrote are ugly hacks as well ;) (the stuff in /scripts/)
[01:29] <ajmitch> haha
[01:29] <ajmitch> ok
[01:30] <ajmitch> why is zope on the list still?
[01:30] <sistpoty> ajmitch: yep... these are merges, that have already been done, but have a newer debian version now
[01:30] <ajmitch> it's been dropped in dapper, iirc
[01:30] <sistpoty> ajmitch: dunno... will check the logs
[01:31] <ajmitch> & dropped from sid
[01:32] <\sh> good night ppl
[01:33] <sistpoty> ajmitch: because I imported old logs, that didn't go in the list... but it still strange, since I use the current dapper/debian version _only_ for moving packages back to unassigned
[01:33] <ajmitch> ok..
[01:33] <ajmitch> it might have been unassigned but still on the list
[01:33] <ajmitch> night \sh_away
[01:33] <sistpoty> gn8 \sh_away
[01:34] <sistpoty> ajmitch: seems like it... I'll drop it
[01:34] <ajmitch> thanks :)
[01:34] <ajmitch> I'd hate for someone to accidentally upload it to the archive
[01:35] <sistpoty> deleted :)
[01:35] <ajmitch> yay
[01:57] <sistpoty> woohoo, my first mail to ubuntu-motu :)
[01:57] <ajmitch> haha, congrats ;)
[01:57] <sistpoty> thx
[01:57] <Kyral> lol
[01:58] <ajmitch> sistpoty: thanks for that update
[01:58] <ajmitch> it's a very very useful tool
[01:58] <sistpoty> ajmitch: no problem ;)
[01:59] <sistpoty> ajmitch: actually I wrote it in the first place, because malone couldn't properly group packages yet/get search results like the bugzilla lists
[02:00] <ajmitch> yeah, but that, paired with lpbugs & other tools, is very useful
[02:00] <ajmitch> feel free to grab anything else of use in my scripts dir :)
[02:00] <ajmitch> the buildlist.sh might be the only other useful one
[02:00] <sistpoty> ajmitch: I'll browse through this once in a while ;)
[02:01] <ajmitch> since it can take a large list & do the dch, pbuilder, etc to do a rebuild-only transition
[02:01] <sistpoty> hm... sounds good :)
[02:02] <ajmitch> yeah, I set it up to rebuild a whole lot of stuff & email the SUCCESS/FAIL logs :)
[02:03] <sistpoty> hm... I already thought of generalizing the merge-list for a tool, that can handle various lists of sourcepackages
[02:03] <ajmitch> if tiber has spare disk & cpu cycle for that, it could be good for unmet deps later
[02:03] <sistpoty> ajmitch: cool
[02:03] <ajmitch> 90G ought to be enough for now
[02:03] <ajmitch> though it can fill up quick :)
[02:04] <sistpoty> hehe
[02:04] <ajmitch> only 512MB of RAM
[02:04] <ajmitch> so it's not going to be the fastest build box around
[02:04] <ajmitch> (faster than mine though) ;)
[02:04] <sistpoty> and faster than mine *g*
[02:05] <ajmitch> what do you have?
[02:05] <sistpoty> amd duron 1300
[02:07] <ajmitch> ah
[02:07] <ajmitch> athlon xp 1800+
[02:08] <sistpoty> I actually don't mind my box being that slow, but I do mind that my gf as a much faster laptop *g*
[02:28] <TheMuso> c
[02:28] <TheMuso> damn sorry.
[02:28] <TheMuso> Trying to clear my console.
[02:29] <minghua> hello everyone
[02:29] <Kyral> yo
[02:30] <ajmitch> hi
[02:30] <sistpoty> hi minghua
[02:31] <minghua> sistpoty: hi
[02:31] <minghua> sistpoty: saw your mail about updated merge status.  have a question about your script though
[02:32] <minghua> sistpoty: it doesn't seem to recognize a status change to rejected
[02:32] <sistpoty> minghua: no, it doesn't
[02:33] <ajmitch> minghua: such as?
[02:33] <sistpoty> currently there have only been a few rejected, and since I'm lazy, I updated these by hand ;)
[02:33] <minghua> sistpoty: malone bug 4173 was rejected by me as cppunit is in main now
[02:33] <Ubugtu> Malone bug #4173: cppunit: merge new debian version In: cppunit (Ubuntu), Severity: Normal, Assigned to: MOTU, Status: Rejected https://launchpad.net/bugs/4173
[02:33] <ajmitch> there'd be very few rejects
[02:33] <minghua> sistpoty: please update 4173 then :-)  thanks.
[02:33] <sistpoty> minghua: will do
[02:34] <minghua> ajmitch: yes, very few indeed
[02:34] <ajmitch> it's best to mercilessly bug sistpoty about it
[02:35] <ajmitch> since you need to explain why things are rejected
[02:35] <ajmitch> and we know that sistpoty loves getting nagged to fix things ;)
[02:35] <sistpoty> hehe
[02:36] <sistpoty> ajmitch: you should have received my mail to admin@tiber explaining how to manually interfere with the merge-list (was some time ago)?
[02:36] <sistpoty> :P
[02:37] <ajmitch> oh I probably did
[02:37] <minghua> MOTUs are like Sisyphus :-)
[02:38] <ajmitch> once I get through the accepted merges I have
[02:38] <ajmitch> minghua: ?
[02:38] <ajmitch> sistpoty: I don't have it in my inbox
[02:38] <sistpoty> ajmitch: you'd need to to the delete in psql... I didn't put that in a script yet
[02:39] <minghua> ajmitch: no?  you work with merges, then sid updates, and the merges starts once again
[02:39] <sistpoty> ajmitch: I'll resend it to you... ajmitch @ gnu.org?
[02:39] <ajmitch> sistpoty: I'm not in the admin alias
[02:39] <minghua> ajmitch: and it happens for each release cycle
[02:39] <ajmitch> minghua: sure
[02:39] <sistpoty> ajmitch: ah, that explains...
[02:39] <ajmitch> minghua: but that's expected
[02:39] <ajmitch> sistpoty: @ubuntu.com, please
[02:39] <sistpoty> ajmitch: ok
[02:41] <sistpoty> ajmitch: sent
[02:43] <ajmitch> ok, thanks
[02:43] <Kyral> Hmm
[02:43] <Kyral> the @ubuntu.com is a redirect right...
[02:43] <ajmitch> yes
[02:43] <Kyral> I sent a mail to kyral@ubuntu.com to test ti
[02:44] <Kyral> s/ti/it
[02:44] <Kyral> it didn't bounce back immeadiatly...and yet I haven't gotten it..
[02:44] <sistpoty> Kyral: afaik it's sent to your LP contact address
[02:45] <Kyral> maybe because I sent it from the addy that IS my LP contact addy lol
[02:48] <Kyral> lol its not there yet
[02:48] <Kyral> my college just started blocking the bounce mails lol
[02:52] <raphink> sistpoty: do you know that your signature is not right in your email to universe-bugs ?
[02:52] <sistpoty> raphink: it's right in my sent-mail but corrupted in the list
[02:52] <raphink> ok
[02:52] <raphink> so taht's because of the list
[02:52] <raphink> just wanted to make sure
[02:53] <sistpoty> raphink: I guess that mailman? will do some changes to it... eventually reencoding or s.th.
[02:53] <raphink> ok
[02:53] <raphink> grrr
[02:53] <raphink> I'm having a problem with a package
[02:59] <TerminX> does anyone know offhand when the KDevelop packages might be rebuilt to work with the newer KDE stuff in Dapper?  it looks like it hasn't been rebuilt with fixed dependencies and all that after the KDE 3.5 stuff went in or some such
[03:04] <sistpoty> TerminX: I'll give it a try to rebuilt it... but since I'm no expert of kde packages, I won't make any promise ;)
[03:06] <ajmitch> sistpoty: it ought to be a simple rebuild
[03:06] <ajmitch> given enough patience ;)
[03:07] <sistpoty> ajmitch: I guess you stress "ought" there ;)
[03:07] <ajmitch> it is kde
[03:08] <sistpoty> hehe
[03:08] <ajmitch> I just removed kdevelop & 20 other packages from my box, to let the rest install in peace
[03:08] <sistpoty> ajmitch: btw.: for a simple rebuild, do I upload with -xbuildy or should I ping lamont/infinity for it?
[03:10] <ajmitch> upload with -xbuildy if it was -x
[03:10] <sistpoty> ok, thx
[03:10] <ajmitch> if it was -xubuntu1, just make it -xubuntu2
[03:10] <sistpoty> thx
[03:10] <TerminX> I would remove KDevelop to install the newer stuff but I use it almost every day.. only KDE app I use :p
[03:11] <TerminX> what do you use?
[03:11] <ajmitch> emacs, of course ;)
[03:11] <TerminX> bleh
[03:11] <TerminX> my project has around 100,000 lines of source in it, I've gotten nice and comfy having a decent IDE to manage it
[03:12] <ajmitch> emacs is decent ;)
[03:13] <Kyral> emacs owns :D
[03:13] <TerminX> bleh, I'm a vim guy as far as terminal based text editors go ;p
[03:13] <bmonty> vim!
[03:14] <sistpoty> (but respects followers of the emacs-church as well)
[03:15] <pietrus> TerminX: emacs has nice X support imho, specially the cvs version with gtk support
[03:15] <sistpoty> hehe
[03:17] <sistpoty> I guess there is only one thing where vim really beats emacs, that's loading time. apart from that everything else is imo a matter of taste.
[03:17] <ajmitch> sistpoty: agreed, I still frequently use vim
[03:17] <sistpoty> and /me sometimes uses emacs ;)
[03:18] <magnon> Visual Studio is frigging awesome
[03:18] <magnon> not that I use it anyway :)
[03:21] <ajmitch> magnon: don't spread such lies :)
[03:22] <magnon> it's true. I think they finally hired someone competent
[03:22] <Kyral> Emacs > Alll
[03:26] <magnon> FINALLY finished with the job application
[03:26] <magnon> now to something completely different
[03:30] <magnon> talking about proprietary software, some illiberal soul found it nescessary _not_ to "acquire" photoshop CS2 and install it on this machine, what a shame
[03:44] <raphink> gn8 all
[03:45] <sistpoty> gn8 raphink
[03:46] <ajmitch> but it's only about 4pm here
[03:51] <sistpoty> s/pm/am/ for me
[03:51] <Kyral> hey guys someone asked me if I could package this for UBuntu. I don't think so because of Libdvdcss among others... http://freshmeat.net/projects/tuxrip/
[03:54] <sistpoty> Kyral: can it be built with libs in multiverse?
[03:54] <Kyral> sistpoty: It CAN. But it Reccommends libdvdcss...
[03:55] <sistpoty> Kyral: will it work w.o. libdvdcss?
[03:55] <Kyral> sistpoty: yes, but at a reduced capacity
[03:55] <Kyral> the BSD License is okay right?
[03:56] <sistpoty> hm... not quite sure about this... afaik you can't put a recommends/suggests field to packages out of the distribution, but I may be wrong
[03:57] <sistpoty> Kyral: BSD? what I've read it's gpl?
[03:57] <Kyral> sistpoty: I think a form of it is GPL Compatable
[03:58] <sistpoty> if it's bsd, it's ok for the license... but still I'm not really sure about libdvdcss
[03:58] <Kyral> yah neither am I...
[04:00] <sistpoty> wasn't there a repo, which is for packages, that can't go into multiverse and uses only motu-approved packages? maybe this would be a good target
[04:01] <Kyral> I dunno
[04:04] <Kyral> should I just tell this guy
[04:04] <Kyral> no?
[04:05] <sistpoty> Kyral: found it: http://wiki.ubuntu-fr.org/doc/plf
[04:06] <Kyral> PLF ain't official lol
[04:06] <Kyral> its like Marilliat
[04:06] <Kyral> and it isn't enabled by default
[04:07] <sistpoty> of course it's not official ;) but if it can't go to multiverse, this might be a place for which you could make a package
[04:08] <ajmitch> and it will never be on by default or even mentioned in ubuntu
[04:08] <Kyral> ajmitch: Agreed
[04:08] <ajmitch> considering how illegal a lot of their stuff is
[04:11] <Kyral> cya
[04:11] <sistpoty> g'night everybody
[04:11] <ajmitch> night sistpoty
[04:13] <Kyral> hmm
[04:27] <LaserJock> man, I love responsive upstreams
[04:27] <Kyral> eh?
[04:27] <Kyral> FlowDesigner get back to you so I don't have to fix the SONAME problem?
[04:28] <LaserJock> Kyral: no I haven't heard from them much
[04:28] <Kyral> bah I need to fix it then lol
[04:28] <LaserJock> Kyral: my package, plotdrop
[04:28] <Kyral> anymore packages for MOTUScience?
[04:28] <LaserJock> I emailed the author about ReviewDay
[04:28] <Kyral> ah?
[04:29] <LaserJock> He pushed a new version out tonight for me to do for ReviewDay
[04:29] <LaserJock> I think he incorported all the changes I made in the package
[05:51] <Lewix> hi
 I have a laptop , toshiba M40/M45 serie and  I've downloaded the iso dvd of ubuntu. when I boot and type enter there's things that loads up then my screen goes black. as well with the dvd screen as with the install. I tried linux vga=771 with the live dvd because i want to be sure that it works before installing and I all seem to work till I got a erro message about xserver
[05:54] <LaserJock> Lewix: try one channel at a time, spamming everywhere doesn't help
[05:54] <Lewix> well
[05:54] <Lewix> nobody awnser
[05:54] <LaserJock> well, sometimes you need to wait for a bit
[05:55] <Lewix> I've asked it for three das
[05:55] <Lewix> days*
[05:55] <LaserJock> Lewix: have you tried #ubuntu ?
[05:55] <Lewix> of course
[05:55] <Lewix> for 3days
[05:55] <Lewix> they just ignore
[05:56] <LaserJock> this isn't really a support channel
[05:56] <Lewix> k
[05:56] <Lewix> thanks
[07:06] <zakame> afternoon all :D
[07:38] <minghua> hello MOTUs, I wonder what is the procedure to ask for a package already in debian imported in to dapper?
[07:40] <zakame> minghua: is this a new package?
[07:41] <minghua> zakame: yes, never existed in ubuntu, entered sid about three months ago
[07:41] <zakame> what package?
[07:42] <minghua> zakame: xfonts-wqy, a bitmap font package for Chinese
[07:44] <zakame> ooh!  I'm not sure, but I think a sync request is possible
[07:45] <minghua> zakame: can you request that for me? ;-)
[07:45] <ajmitch> minghua: source is in dapper
[07:45] <zakame> do Ubuntu changes have to be made?
[07:45] <ajmitch> get it building
[07:45] <minghua> ajmitch: oh, okay
[07:45] <ajmitch> xfonts-wqy |    0.6.0-1 |      unstable | source, all
[07:45] <ajmitch> xfonts-wqy |    0.6.0-1 |        dapper | source
[07:45] <zakame> ooh
[07:46] <minghua> I only checked in aptitude and packages.ubuntu.com
[07:46] <minghua> ajmitch: thanks for the hint
[07:46] <ajmitch> http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/x/xfonts-wqy/0.6.0-1/
[07:47] <ajmitch> ok, bad build-deps, should be easy to fix
[07:47] <ajmitch> zakame: which one?
[07:48] <minghua> ajmitch: yeah, simple to fix, I'll prepare an upload right now
[07:48] <zakame> ajmitch: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/12/msg00004.html
[07:48] <ajmitch> zakame: right
[07:49] <ajmitch> most of us aren't DDs in developing countries ;)
[07:49] <zakame> hear, hear!
[07:50] <zakame> good for you :) even I can't afford a mobile phone, I just borrow from my folks :'(
[07:51] <ajmitch> old hardware isn't too expensive, thankfully
[07:52] <zakame> that's true, its money that is
[07:52] <zakame> then again, jaldhar hits the spot :))
[07:55] <ajmitch> hehe
[07:56] <ajmitch> daniels with his biting commentary... ;)
[07:57] <zakame> hehe
[08:12] <ajmitch> hey dholbach
[08:13] <dholbach> hellas
[08:15] <ajmitch> how's it going?
[08:15] <dholbach> good, good - how about you?
[08:16] <ajmitch> good :)
[08:16] <ajmitch> we have a whole lot more merges to do
[08:17] <dholbach> the 'main' guys too :)
[08:18] <seth_k> when merging, is the best course of action to take the .merged, and manually add any .dropped that is relevant + needed?
[08:18] <ajmitch> depends
[08:18] <ajmitch> sometimes I just take the debian source & manaully do changes
[08:19] <seth_k> yeah
[08:19] <dholbach> same here
[08:20] <ajmitch> there is *some* skill involved in merging, at times ;)
[08:20] <seth_k> hehe
[08:20] <ajmitch> not in anything I do
[08:20] <seth_k> oh shush
[08:20] <seth_k> and makefile changes can just be ignored, right, and just run make -f Makefile.whatever myself?
[08:21] <ajmitch> um
[08:22] <ajmitch> I'd say that depends on what's going on
[08:22] <ajmitch> since we have basically no context to judge that
[08:22] <irvin> i'm trying to setup a dapper chroot on breezy... wiki.ubuntu.com/DebootstrapChroot says i have to sudo debootstrap --variant=buildd --arch i386 breezy /var/chroot http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ is this correct?
[08:22] <ajmitch> that'll setup a breezy chroot
[08:23] <ajmitch> which you could then dist-upgrade
[08:23] <irvin> so there's no dapper script yet?
[08:26] <ajmitch> yes, there is
[08:27] <ajmitch> and it's mentioned on that page where to get the appropriate debootstrap
[08:29] <irvin> ajmitch, would i get the same debootstap version if i enable backports? i remember last night that i did get debootstrap_0.3.1.6ubuntu1_all.deb when i apt-get install dchroot debootstrap
[08:30] <ajmitch> if that's the version you need..
[08:30] <crimsun> mm merges
[08:32] <irvin> hmmm
[08:33] <bojan> morning
[08:33] <crimsun> dapper's not currently bootstrappable
[08:34] <minghua> okay, I got xfonts-wqy built.  now should I just open a malone bug and paste the debdiff?
[08:34] <minghua> or just catch a MOTU here?
[08:34] <crimsun> have you already filed a bug on Malone against xfonts-wqy?
[08:34] <minghua> crimsun: no, haven't filed a bug
[08:35] <crimsun> I would file a bug, then
[08:35] <minghua> crimsun: will do
[08:40] <minghua> now I have a problem...  this package has never been built in ubuntu so malone won't accept the source package name :-(
[08:40] <minghua> what should I do now?
[08:41] <dholbach> tell the guys in #launchpad and just file the bug without source package name
[08:41] <dholbach> just assign it to the right team
[08:41] <crimsun> kiko is probably the one to ping about that
[08:41] <minghua> dholbach: okay, will go to #launchpad
[08:41] <ajmitch> it's not that it hasn't been built in ubuntu
[08:41] <minghua> this is getting more complicated than I thought...
[08:41] <ajmitch> it's that it's a new source package in dapper
[08:43] <dholbach> minghua: launchpad still has some child diseases
[08:44] <minghua> ajmitch: you are right, it seems all new packages introduced in dapper don't have names in malone
[08:58] <minghua> can any MOTU review my debdiff to xfonts-wqy?  https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/5568
[08:58] <Ubugtu> Malone bug #5568: xfonts-wqy FTBFS due to missing build dependency In: Ubuntu, Severity: Normal, Assigned to: MOTU, Status: New https://launchpad.net/bugs/5568
[08:58] <minghua> or should I assign it to MOTU reviewers instead of asking here?...
[08:59] <dholbach> both is ok
[09:05] <irvin> finally
[09:05] <irvin> i got the debootstrap dapper version from packages.ubuntu.com and installed it manually
[09:17] <Mithrandir> a looong time
[09:22] <Mithrandir> "pbuilder update ; pbuilder --basetgz /var/cache/pbuilder/otherchroot.tgz update" ?
[09:22] <irvin> Mithrandir, any rough estimate how large this will be?
[09:23] <irvin> i may run out of room in /var
[09:23] <Mithrandir> irvin: it downloads into the chroot.
[09:23] <Mithrandir> irvin: it's about 100MB or so
[09:23] <irvin> /dev/hda6             9.2G  472M  8.3G   6% /var
[09:23] <irvin> is that enough?
[09:23] <Mithrandir> yes
[09:24] <irvin> cool
[09:24] <StevenK> Mithrandir: Harder, pbuilder doesn't know about dapper, and you can't have two different .pbuilderrc's.
[09:24] <Mithrandir> true
[09:25] <StevenK> (One is dapper, and the other is sid)
[09:26] <StevenK> It's a 15 line script, and that's including the 6 lines to write a script for pbuilder execute to wrap its fangs around.
[09:36] <siretart> morning
[09:37] <crimsun> 'morning
[09:37] <zakame> hiello  alll
[09:37] <minghua> hi, siretart and zakame
[09:37] <zakame> hi crimsun :)
[09:38] <zakame> er, do I HAVE TO REOPEN BUGS FOR PREVIOUS MERGES< OR do I file a new bug?
[09:39] <zakame> sorry, my keyboard's acting bad, on a cafe :(
[09:40] <jsgotangco> zakame: yeah right
[09:41] <crimsun> I've just been filing new ones
[09:41] <zakame> jsgotangco: well I am at the caf atm, my old folks are using the box
[09:42] <jsgotangco> zakame: you shouldn't really add "old" to your "folks"
[09:42] <jsgotangco> :D
[09:43] <zakame> jsgotangco: hrhr
[09:43] <jsgotangco> its already assumed heh
[10:18] <seth_k> yay, noteedit merge done
[10:20] <zakame> seth_k: rock on
[10:39] <seth_k|away> A merge for you guys: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/noteedit/+bug/5577
[10:39] <Ubugtu> Malone bug #5577: noteedit: merge new debian version In: noteedit (Ubuntu), Severity: Normal, Assigned to: MOTU Reviewers Team, Status: PendingUpload https://launchpad.net/bugs/5577
[10:39] <seth_k|away> have a good night
[10:53] <ajmitch> evening people
[10:54] <ajmitch> that notedit debdiff is impossible to read
[10:54] <ajmitch> isn't there a patch flag on malone when uploading?
[10:58] <StevenK> Yes.
[10:58] <ajmitch> evening StevenK :)
[10:58] <StevenK> When you Add Attachment, there is a Patch checkbox.
[11:00] <ajmitch> that's what I thought...
[11:02] <StevenK> ajmitch: Can you request a sync of masqmail?
[11:03] <ajmitch> I probably could
[11:03] <StevenK> Yes, you're right. :-)
[11:03] <ajmitch> how much is it worth to you? :)
[11:04] <StevenK> I have no idea.
[11:05] <ajmitch> just doing a test build
[11:10] <ajmitch> StevenK: masqmail's breezy upload was a fix for debian 254720
[11:10] <ajmitch> I didn't see that closed in the debian upload
[11:11] <ajmitch> is the patch no longer needed?
[11:15] <ajmitch> \sh: want to do a test amd64 build of masqmail for me (source from debian)?
[11:16] <\sh> ajmitch: sure..but first I have to pick up my stuff for the company (notebook hw etc.) and have to go to the NOC....I will have some nice talks with my bosses...and if i'm coming home...then
[11:16] <ajmitch> alright :)
[11:17] <siretart> \sh: good luck and success!
[11:17] <ajmitch> I hope you come out of the talks in 1 piece
[11:17] <\sh> well...they are quite pissed :)
[11:17] <siretart> ajmitch: you want masqmail from unstable be pbuild in dapper/amd64 pbuilder?
[11:18] <crimsun> \sh: g'luck :)
[11:18] <siretart> \sh: I can imagine
[11:18] <ajmitch> siretart: yes please
[11:18] <siretart> ajmitch: I'm currently doing a backup of the system for dapper upgrade, but after that, no problem.
[11:18] <ajmitch> siretart: thanks
[11:18] <ajmitch> someone needs to ship me an amd64 box :)
[11:19] <siretart> ajmitch: you could ask Mithrandir for an account on ravel, I think
[11:20] <ajmitch> siretart: I'd like to get a replacement desktop sometime next year actually
[11:20] <siretart> ajmitch: ah, then amd64 is a good choice! :)
[11:21] <ajmitch> yeah
[11:21] <ajmitch> maybe a dualcore CPU, 2GB RAM, SATA drives..
[11:22] <ajmitch> this cpu & motherboard is > 3 years old now
[11:23] <ajmitch> StevenK: I'll hold off on the merge, configure.ac in the debian source still looks buggy
[11:23] <Mithrandir> ajmitch: that's approximately what I have.  Quite nice.
[11:23] <ajmitch> s/merge/sync request/
[11:24] <ajmitch> I'll have to see what money I have for it though
[11:25] <siretart> ajmitch: I sent you the buildlog
[11:26] <siretart> (ftbfs)
[11:26] <ajmitch> yeah, as expected
[11:27] <ajmitch> StevenK: send a debdiff for the merge to malone, someone will eventually review it :)
[11:27] <ajmitch> hi viviersf
[11:27] <viviersf> yo bud
[11:27] <ajmitch> what's new?
[11:28] <viviersf> ag nm u
[11:28] <ajmitch> heh
[11:37] <dholbach> YAY!
[11:38] <siretart> I hope it will survive..
[11:38] <ajmitch> it will :)
[11:38] <siretart> I need tvtime, and v4l. and nvidia binary shit
[11:38] <ajmitch> seems to be working
[11:38] <ogra> works fine here
[11:38] <siretart> ogra: i4l, too?
[11:38] <ogra> (but i use nv though)
[11:39] <siretart> argl, v4l, too?
[11:39] <siretart> well, I will see.
[11:39] <ogra> i have no tv card in my lappie
[11:39] <siretart> just in case, I have a backup :)
[11:39] <ajmitch> ah
[11:39] <ajmitch> I don't think the font dir is /usr/lib/X11/fonts
[11:39] <ajmitch> but /usr/share/X11/fonts
[11:40] <siretart> this has changed. the later one is correct
[11:40] <siretart> debian is still in /usr/lib/X11/fonts
[11:40] <ajmitch> the /usr/share path?
[11:40] <ajmitch> right
[11:40] <ajmitch> minghua changed it to /usr/lib/X11 from /usr/X11R6/lib/X11
[11:40] <ajmitch> so I'll add a note about that :)
[12:31] <JohnnyMast> hi
[12:32] <Amaranth> morning
[12:32] <JohnnyMast> morning to you too Amaranth
[12:40] <JohnnyMast> any reviewer awake ?
[12:40] <jpatrick> JohnnyMast: you can poke raphink
[12:41] <raphink> JohnnyMast: what is there to be reviewed?
[12:41] <JohnnyMast> trimity just i tiny tiny mini buggy
[12:41] <JohnnyMast> let me link you
[12:42] <JohnnyMast> http://librarian.launchpad.net/1187875/timidity_2.13.2-7ubuntu2.diff
[12:42] <raphink> where?
[12:42] <JohnnyMast> there
[12:43] <raphink> JohnnyMast: if you put freepats in the dependencies, you should remove it from the recommends:
[12:43] <raphink> can't be in both ;)
[12:43] <JohnnyMast> ur absolutely right my friend, just noticed it
[12:44] <raphink> apart from that, it looks fine but I can't advocate
[12:44] <raphink> I'm no MOTU
[12:45] <ajmitch> speeling could do with sum werk to
[12:45] <ajmitch> & a proper name in the changelog
[12:45] <raphink> hehe indeed ;)
[12:45] <ajmitch> is freepats really a dependency?
[12:46] <ajmitch> does timidity fail out of the box with that error?
[12:46] <raphink> bug 3085
[12:46] <Ubugtu> Malone bug #3085: /etc/timidity/freepats.cfg: No such file or directory In: timidity (Ubuntu), Severity: Normal, Assigned to: MOTU Reviewers Team, Status: PendingUpload https://launchpad.net/bugs/3085
[12:46] <ajmitch> I know
[12:46] <ajmitch> I was referring to that
[12:46] <raphink> yes I just wnated the link ;)
[12:46] <raphink> hehe
[12:47] <ajmitch> it's been awhile since I used timidity though
[12:47] <JohnnyMast> well
[12:47] <JohnnyMast> did you read the bug ?
[12:48] <JohnnyMast> nm
[12:48] <JohnnyMast> fixing it
[12:49] <JohnnyMast> is it allowed to remove the Recomends line ?
[12:49] <JohnnyMast> or do i have to leave it blank ?
[12:50] <raphink> course you can remove it
[12:50] <raphink> many packages don't have it
[12:50] <JohnnyMast> oki
[12:50] <JohnnyMast> that answers my question very well
[12:50] <raphink> fix your name too, as ajmitch toldyou
[12:51] <raphink> rave is not a name, it's a nick
[12:51] <Treenaks> JohnnyMast: could you speak horizontally, instead of vertically?
[12:51] <raphink> and I hope this is not what you use in your GPG key to sign your work ;)
[12:51] <Treenaks> JohnnyMast: i.e. one sentence per line, instead of one word per line?
[12:52] <raphink> huhu
[12:54] <JohnnyMast> horizontaly ?
[12:58] <Treenaks> JohnnyMast: yes
[12:58] <Treenaks> horizontally
[12:58] <Treenaks> not
[12:58] <Treenaks> vertically
[12:58] <Treenaks> (i.e
[12:58] <Treenaks> like
[12:58] <Treenaks> this)
[12:58] <ajmitch> hi
[12:59] <ajmitch> Treenaks:
[12:59] <ajmitch> how
[12:59] <ajmitch> are
[12:59] <ajmitch> you?
[12:59] <Treenaks> ajmitch: fine, thanks, you?
[12:59] <ajmitch> :)
[12:59] <TheMuso> That is fun to read, especially with a screen reader and speech synth.
[12:59] <ajmitch> I'm alright, just updating a couple of packages that I need to mangle
[01:01] <siretart> upgrade done, lets see if the machine boots..
[01:03] <siretart> unbelievable. it booted, nvidia just works :)
[01:03] <raphink> he
[01:03] <raphink> great
[01:03] <raphink> :)
[01:04] <siretart> the monospace font changed, it is to small for my taste.. hm
[01:05] <siretart> now for the stress test: quake4
[01:06] <tseng> hm
[01:08] <siretart> YAY!
[01:08] <sivang> hi folks
[01:08] <siretart> everything works! v4l, nvidia binary shit, gnome-panel!
[01:08] <sivang> cool, so can I upgrade to dapper? :)
[01:08] <ajmitch> yay, DSL died again
[01:09] <siretart> sivang: I just did, works great so far
[01:09] <sivang> well, it had many bumps in the last two weeks
[01:09] <sivang> I've had it at work
[01:09] <ogra> siretart, the panel menu works for you ?
[01:09] <siretart> ogra: it does on my amd64 machine
[01:09] <sivang> maybe the panel wasa fixed
[01:09] <siretart> ogra: this is a really strange gamin bug
[01:10] <siretart> sivang: I don't think so, I'm still bitten on my testbook
[01:10] <ogra> yes
[01:10] <ogra> it dosnt work hete since weeks ... :/
[01:10] <ogra> *here
[01:10] <siretart> and still no idea what could be the cause for this
[01:10] <siretart> I think I had this bug in breezy one time, but I cannot reproduce it ther
[01:10] <ogra> gamin ... but no idea why ...
[01:11] <ogra> and seb128 is on holiday today, even if he's online, i wont bother him
[01:11] <siretart> it is a race condition for sure, but nobody seems to really know what it is exactly
[01:11] <siretart> ogra: he already forwarded it upstream with debug info from mvo a week ago
[01:11] <siretart> ogra: he cannot do much about it
[01:11] <ogra> yup, i know ...
[01:12] <ogra> i fear another inotify bug
[01:12] <siretart> hehe /dev/disks/*/* is soo sweet :)
[01:15] <ajmitch> night all
[01:15] <dholbach> night ajmitch
[01:15] <ogra> night ajmitch
[01:16] <TheMuso> Night ajmitch.
[01:35] <raphink> hmm
[01:36] <jpatrick> mine?
[01:36] <jpatrick> :(
[01:36] <raphink> no
[01:37] <raphink> mine
[01:37] <raphink> lol
[01:37] <raphink> there's a source that builds fine with `./configure & make"
[01:37] <raphink> but it fails with my package
[01:38] <raphink> and this is like argh
[01:38] <raphink> ;)
[01:39] <jpatrick> raphink: hay que tener mala suerte
[01:39] <raphink> verded
[01:39] <raphink> verdad
[01:40] <jpatrick> food...
[02:25] <zakame> hi all
[03:08] <seth_k|away> ajmitch, it looks all right after you download it :P Sorry, didn't notice the patch checkbox. /me twiddles
[03:09] <seth_k|away> ajmitch, fixed up for you. apologies
[03:16] <zakame> heya Amaranth :)
[03:16] <Amaranth> hey
[03:35] <raphink> help
[03:35] <Amaranth> ?
[03:36] <raphink> Amaranth: I've got a pb with a package
[03:36] <raphink> it built fine before
[03:36] <raphink> but now it doesn't anymore
[03:36] <zakame> raphink: awww, what's the prob? :(
[03:36] <raphink> I can't get to know why
[03:36] <raphink> ./configure && make works
[03:37] <raphink> but when I run dpkg-buildpackage it exits with an error
[03:37] <raphink> and from then on I can't build with `./configure && make' anymore
[03:37] <raphink> I'll paste the output in a pastebin
[03:38] <raphink> http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/455459
[03:38] <raphink> there
[03:38] <raphink> in the end
[03:38] <raphink> I've been trying to understand this ever since yesterday
[03:39] <raphink> I even tried to repackage
[03:39] <raphink> it just doesn't work
[03:39] <raphink> any idea ?
[03:41] <raphink> it says : no rule to build target "kyamo.pot", needed for "all-am"
[03:43] <Amaranth> your package is doing more than ./configure && make and it's breaking it to the point where you probably need to make clean just to undo it
[03:43] <raphink> well it's using automake
[03:43] <raphink> but it worked before
[03:43] <raphink> I'm using cdbs
[03:44] <raphink> http://revu.tauware.de/revu1-incoming/kyamo-0512050635/kyamo-0.13rc3/debian/control
[03:44] <raphink> this is my control file
[03:44] <raphink> http://revu.tauware.de/revu1-incoming/kyamo-0512050635/kyamo-0.13rc3/debian/rules
[03:44] <raphink> and the rules
[03:45] <raphink> what is weird is that it worked a week ago
[03:45] <raphink> and now it doesn' work anymore, even from fresh sources with the same debian/ folder
[03:45] <raphink> so I guess something has been changed in the way to build packages since then
[03:45] <raphink> in cdbs or debhelper or so
[03:45] <Amaranth> did you get a new cdbs in that time?
[03:45] <raphink> cause I didn't change my package
[03:45] <raphink> I didn't check if I got a new cdbs Amaranth
[03:46] <raphink> I keep my box up-to-date but I didn't note if cdbs had been updated
[03:46] <Amaranth> check the changelog on cdbs, see when the most recent one was uploaded
[03:46] <raphink> it fails to build in pbuilder aswell
[03:47] <Amaranth> pbuilder will have the most recent cdbs
[03:48] <raphink> 8th december
[03:48] <raphink> Update the POT file architecture
[03:48] <raphink> this is a modif from yesterday
[03:48] <raphink> and my problem is with a pot file
[03:48] <Amaranth> what package is that?
[03:49] <raphink> so I guess there is a link
[03:49] <raphink> cdbs
[03:49] <raphink> although I'm building with kde.mk
[03:49] <raphink> not gnome.mk
[03:49] <raphink> wait  a min I'll show you
[03:50] <Amaranth> generate a diff between the two versions? :)
[03:50] <raphink> this is the cdbs changelog : http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/455464
[03:51] <raphink> so it might rather be the transition from the 6th
[03:51] <raphink> with kde.mk.in
[03:51] <raphink>  Don't remove whole po/ directory in kde.mk.in, only .pot files in
[03:51] <raphink>     it
[03:51] <Amaranth> it's removing too soon
[03:51] <raphink> I'll ask Riddell about it
[03:51] <raphink> Riddell: ping
[03:51] <raphink> well it says there's no rule to build it
[03:51] <raphink> hmmm
[03:51] <raphink> I might try to build it in an old pbuilder
[03:52] <raphink> I think I have a pbuilder that was not updated since last week
[03:52] <raphink> ;)
[03:52] <Amaranth> ah, Riddell broke it :)
[03:52] <raphink> on my sister's comp
[03:52] <raphink> hehe
[03:52] <raphink> haha
[03:52] <Amaranth> raphink: pbuilder automagically downloads everything each time you run it, doesn't it?
[03:52] <raphink> well i'll see
[03:52] <raphink> Amaranth: no
[03:52] <Amaranth> or does it only do that for build-deps and keep the same build-essential?
[03:52] <raphink> you have to run pbuilder update
[03:52] <raphink> in order to update the base.tgz
[03:52] <allee> Amaranth: not by default
[03:53] <raphink> it will download cdbs
[03:53] <raphink> but it shouldn't downlod the new version if I didn't run pbuilder update I think
[03:53] <Amaranth> doesn't cdbs make the package build-dep on it?
[03:54] <raphink> well I'll try to build on my sister's box, without pbuilder first
[03:54] <raphink> it builds
[03:54] <raphink> so it's not my package that is broken :)
[03:54] <Riddell> raphink: hmm?
[03:54] <raphink> Riddell: the pb with kyamo seems to come from the new version of cdbs
[03:55] <Riddell> bah
[03:55] <raphink> the kde.mk rule
[03:55] <raphink> deleting .pot files
[03:55] <raphink> I've spend hours trying to find out ;)
[03:55] <raphink> and my package builds fine on boxes with older cdbs versions
[03:55] <Amaranth> it could be * Allow fail in kde.mk.in for not being able to extract messages
[03:55] <raphink> could be
[03:56] <jpatrick> raphink: you're missing the thing on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuPackagingGuide for cdbs in your rules
[03:56] <raphink> but since the building error concerns a .pot file in po/
[03:56] <raphink> I suspect it's linked to the last change in kde.mk
[03:56] <raphink> what thing jpatrick ?
[03:56] <jpatrick> raphink: go to the "Generating .pot files" place
[03:57] <jpatrick> the "common-post-build-arch::" section
[03:57] <raphink> jpatrick: hmm well this package used to build without that
[03:57] <raphink> I think this is included in kde.mk
[03:57] <raphink> but maybe I'm wrong
[03:58] <jpatrick> raphink: until you add the clean:: rule?
[03:58] <raphink> wait I'm reading
[03:59] <allee> jpatrick: I'm not convienced that blindly adding this pot rule is a good idea until one has checked that rosetta and upstrean translator don't step on each other feets
[04:00] <jpatrick> I'm going out for a while
[04:00] <raphink> shouldn't it be the contrary?
[04:02] <raphink> what's the use of using cdbs if that has me _add_ more stuff to debian/rules ?
[04:03] <raphink> and I'm just checking : my package builds fine in the old dapper pbuilder on my sister's box
[04:03] <raphink> i.e. not updated after the 5th
[04:04] <raphink> but ok I'll try with the new stuff
[04:07] <raphink> if that's about it, I'm still surprised about backwards compatibility issues with this
[04:08] <raphink> Riddell: does that mean all kde packages now have to contain 3 more lines when using cdbs ?
[04:08] <raphink> so all of them have to be changed?
[04:09] <Riddell> raphink: no, why would they?
[04:09] <Kyral> hey
[04:09] <raphink> Riddell: because I had to add these new lines to my debian/rules so it would build correctly
[04:09] <raphink> whereas until this week it built fine without them
[04:09] <Riddell> raphink: what did you add?
[04:09] <raphink> common-post-build-arch::
[04:09] <raphink>         mkdir -p po
[04:09] <raphink>         XGETTEXT=/usr/bin/kde-xgettext sh admin/cvs.sh extract-messages
[04:09] <raphink> clean::
[04:09] <raphink>         rm -rf po
[04:10] <raphink> this
[04:10] <raphink> and now it builds
[04:10] <Riddell> raphink: if it's using kde.mk from cdbs it'll pick those up automatically
[04:10] <raphink> Riddell: then why does https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuPackagingGuide say these lines should be added?
[04:11] <raphink> and why did I have to add them to my debian/rules so as to be able to build my package, although it would build fine last week
[04:11] <raphink> ?
[04:11] <Riddell> raphink: they only need to be added if you're using your own kde.mk file (like all the KDE proper packages do)
[04:11] <raphink> hmm ok
[04:11] <Riddell> raphink: that is a mystery
[04:11] <raphink> I'm not
[04:11] <raphink> and it seems since the change in cdbs from the 6th, the pot rules fail in cdbs
[04:12] <raphink> the package builds fine on a pbuilder using cdbs from last week
[04:12] <Kyral> hmm...guys I just noticed something with pcmcia
[04:14] <Kyral> we still use pcmcia-cs in Dapper..by default?
[04:14] <raphink> no idea
[04:15] <raphink> Riddell: could you build other kde packages using cdbs lately?
[04:15] <Kyral> maybe its just my laptop, but I noticed that as pcmcia-cs started up, it failed with the msg saying that after the 2.6.13 series of kernel it should use pcmciautils..
[04:15] <Amaranth> Kyral: Ask in #u-d or file a bug?
[04:16] <Riddell> raphink: yes, they all work, but normally they don't expect a .pot file
[04:16] <raphink> hmm
[04:16] <Kyral> Amaranth: Yah I was just noting lol
[04:16] <raphink> Riddell: the fact is that I'm using cdbs with the standard kde.mk file and since this week, it only builds by adding the 3 lines to debian/rules
[04:17] <raphink> Riddell: and it fails because of a pot file if I don't add them
[04:19] <Kyral> hmm, anyone have good experiance with Airlink Wireless cards or am I going to have to NDis it
[04:20] <Riddell> raphink: hmm, put it on revu and I'll try and take a look at it
[04:20] <raphink> Riddell: with the new lines?
[04:20] <Riddell> raphink: yeah
[04:24] <Kyral> Hey ogra got a mention in a review of Edubuntu
[04:25] <raphink> oh nice :)
[04:25] <Kyral> anyone want link?
[04:25] <raphink> I won't read right now
[04:25] <raphink> too busy
[04:27] <ogra> Kyral, luckily they fixed it ... it said before that ogra == Mark Shuttleworth
[04:28] <raphink> lol
[04:28] <raphink> ooo
[04:28] <Kyral> lol
[04:29] <Kyral> damnit I lost the link...I have to remember to install a clipboard daemon on this thing
[04:29] <raphink> lol
[04:31] <Amaranth> ogra: Loan me $5? :P
[04:31] <Kyral> lol
[04:31] <jpat|away> raphink: does it work now?
[04:31] <raphink> yes, but that's not normal jpatrick
[04:32] <raphink> I suspect this is linked to the late transition in cdbs
[04:32] <ogra> Amaranth, sadly i got only he name assigned, not the account ;)
[04:32] <raphink> it should work without this
[04:33] <ogra> http://www.bloggingbaby.com/entry/1234000340071196/ btw
[04:34] <zakame> evening \sh :D
[04:35] <zakame> ogra_: rocking
[04:35] <Kyral> heya \sh
[04:35] <ogra> hey \sh why do i get a nice 80yr old woman on the phone with your mobile number ?
[04:36] <\sh> evening :)
[04:36] <\sh> ogra: hmpf? wrong number then?
[04:36] <\sh> 01520bla
[04:36] <\sh> ogra: don't call the ish number...it doesn't exist anymore..
[04:36] <ogra> compared several times ...
[04:37] <ogra> and your landline doesnt work either
[04:37] <\sh> ogra: hmmm...I'll have to check
[04:37] <\sh> right..I just plugged it back into the power
[04:37] <ogra> couldnt call you back ...
[04:49] <zakame> er did dbus revert to the old api?
[04:51] <zakame> I suddenly couldn't build gpsd from sid/MoM, it seems to rely on the old dbus
[04:51] <raphink> pause
[04:52] <slomo_> zakame: definitly not... but i could take a look at it ;) that patch was by me
[04:53] <zakame> slomo_: I know :) I'll take a look at it tomorrow, 'tis almost midnight :)
[04:53] <slomo_> zakame: please wait a few seconds, ok? ;)
[04:54] <zakame> slomo_: ok... it could be the gpsd source itself :)
[04:55] <slomo_> zakame: the version in dapper currently compiles fine... so it's either upstream or you didn't merge the patch correctly ;)
[04:56] <slomo_> i think the patch is still needed for 2.30, the patch mentioned in the debian changelog is/was for another dbus problem
[04:57] <zakame> slomo_: indeed, I made sure the one in dapper should build fine ;)
[04:58] <slomo_> zakame: ok, just take my patch over to the new version... if it applies cleanly and works, fine... otherwise look at what have changed and adjust the patch :)
[04:58] <zakame> slomo_: yes, I just dropped 13_dbus_new_api, yet its the same failure
[04:58] <slomo_> do not drop the 13* patch
[04:58] <zakame> slomo_: ok! you're my hero! :D
[05:00] <slomo_> Java growers?
[05:01] <zakame> hehe yeah... next, MOTU Camel Drivers (motuperl) :)
[05:03] <zakame> anyway, I'll read the patch tomorrow, good night all! tc slomo_ ! :D
[05:03] <slomo_> what is java growers for? why the 'growers'? ;)
[05:03] <slomo_> gn8 :)
[05:03] <dholbach> haha :)
[05:04] <zakame> er, as in coffee growing... my next choice was `Java Sippers', but I thought that doesn't sound right
[05:05] <zakame> gn8 really! :D
[05:05] <slomo_> hehe
[05:22] <minghua> good morning
[05:58] <JohnnyMast> hi
[06:12] <Kyral> hmm what is the KubuntuDevel channel?
[06:12] <jpatrick> Kyral: #kubuntu-devel
[06:13] <Kyral> k
[06:13] <Kyral> actually...hmmm someone check the Users ML
[06:13] <Kyral> guy has a question on how ot get involved and I am unsure how to answer fully
[06:14] <jpatrick> Kyral: http://wiki.kubuntu.org/HelpingKubuntu ?
[06:14] <Kyral> and Ubuntu :P
[06:14] <Kyral> Just the standard, join #ubuntu-motu #ubuntu-devel #kubuntu-devel and htings like that?
[06:14] <ogra> Kyral, he should always start at MOTU
[06:15] <jpatrick> Kyral: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/participate
[06:15] <ogra> exactly :)
[06:16] <ogra> i.e. no matter if yu want to help gnome or kde, you'll need a MOTU to bring your fixes/patches in ...
[06:16] <Kyral> yup
[06:17] <Kyral> I am gonna install Kubuntu just to help more lol
[06:17] <ogra> pfft ... install edubuntu ;)
[06:17] <Kyral> ogra: I actually can lol
[06:17] <jpatrick> ogra: Dansguardian for Edubuntu ?
[06:17] <ogra> heh
[06:18] <ogra> jpatrick, nope
[06:18] <Kyral> Can Kubuntu-Desktop, Edubuntu-Desktop, Ubuntu-Desktop, and Xubuntu-Desktop live nicely? lol
[06:18] <ogra> jpatrick, we're looking at willow currently
[06:18] <Kyral> I'll have MetaBuntu :P
[06:19] <ogra> jpatrick, dansguardian or squidguard require a lot of administration work ... and a decent amount of knowledge ... willow uses bayesian filtering and learns bad pages itself like a spam filter
[06:20] <jpatrick> ogra: I have DG and squid running here - was easy to set up
[06:20] <ogra> jpatrick, you need to update the black/whitelists regulary ...
[06:20] <jpatrick> oh...
[06:20] <ogra> and i bet you are not an unskilled teacher ...
[06:20] <jpatrick> I don't :P
[06:21] <jpatrick> ogra: I'm still at school
[06:21] <ogra> i want a tool for edubuntu a normal biology teacher could use
[06:21] <ogra> so imagine your bio teacher trying to set up dansguardian (and note we'll never ship webmin)
[06:21] <Kyral> ogra: How about including EasyChem with Edubuntu
[06:22] <ogra> i havent looked at it yet, we wont make big changes in the app selection for dapper
[06:22] <ogra> thats a dapper+1 task :)
[06:22] <jpatrick> good point
[06:23] <seth_k> EasyChem is still quite feature-limited anyways, from what I can tell in playing with it. It does little other than draw molecules, and isn't very polished.
[06:23] <seth_k> still a fun program though, I played with it for a long time :P
[06:23] <Kyral> seth_k: It isn't meant to be full of features lol
[06:23] <Kyral> from the desc it does what it does :D
[06:23] <LaserJock> Kyral: I think the EasyChem is more of a professional tool than educational one
[06:24] <Kyral> LaserJock: yah, but teachers could use it
[06:24] <seth_k> Kyral, it needs to polish out "doing what it does" better
[06:24] <LaserJock> Kyral: true
[06:25] <Kyral> seth_k: Hmm, I think I need to talk to Upstream now lol
[06:25] <LaserJock> I'm always in search of a good 2d molecule drawing program
[06:25] <Kyral> Jeez...what is going on with us.archive.ubuntu.coim
[06:26] <seth_k> i dunno, I've just started using archive.ubuntu.com for everything
[06:26] <seth_k> us has problems all the time
[06:26] <LaserJock> seth_k: me too
[06:30] <JohnnyMast> what was the url to lpbugs.py ?
[06:39] <minghua> JohnnyMast: I don't remember off the top of my head, but it's mentioned in the mail to ubuntu-devel list
[06:39] <minghua> JohnnyMast: go check the archive and you'll find it :-)
[06:56] <JohnnyMast>  dont feel like going trough all the archives
[07:55] <LaserJock> \sh: ping?
[07:57] <LaserJock> siretart: For some reason all the bugs I've reported with lpbugs.py have bad gpg signatures. Do you know what could be causing that?
[07:58] <siretart> LaserJock: do you have uploaded your key to launchpad correctly?
[07:58] <LaserJock> siretart: yes, I believe so
[07:59] <siretart> hm
[08:00] <LaserJock> I'm really not good with gpg yet but I think it is all good.
[08:00] <LaserJock> I just thought it was odd, how would lpbugs.py sign it incorrectly?
[08:01] <siretart> LaserJock: look at the source, it just calls gpg to sign it
[08:03] <LaserJock> siretart: when I do it by hand it is fine
[08:03] <siretart> LaserJock: this is really strange
[08:04] <LaserJock> siretart: let me try lpbugs.py again, just a sec
[08:06] <JohnnyMast> sire thanks for your email
[08:06] <JohnnyMast> im currently writing a reply
[08:11] <LaserJock> siretart: it looks to me like all the sig are bad from lpbugs.py, I tried ajmitch and minghua too
[08:12] <siretart> LaserJock: well, lpbugs.py works for me. interesting point, though
[08:13] <LaserJock> siretart: all I did was import their keys and run gpg --verify on their emails
[08:13] <JohnnyMast> ow btw siretart can you link me to lpbugs.py i lost i t after my dapper install
[08:13] <LaserJock> siretart: I also tried enigmail in thunderbird
[08:13] <LaserJock> JohnnyMast: http://tiber.tauware.de/~shermann/motu-tools
[08:14] <siretart> http://tiber.tauware.de/~siretart/motu-tools
[08:14] <LaserJock> ooppps, that was the old one
[08:14] <JohnnyMast> siretart thanks again
[08:15] <siretart> JohnnyMast: cheers!
[08:15] <JohnnyMast> :)
[08:16] <LaserJock> siretart: anyway, I am not really concerned about the sigs, I just was wondering if I was doing something wrong
[08:18] <dholbach> good night guys
[08:18] <jpatrick> night
[08:18] <Kyral> cya
[08:18] <siretart> gn8 dholbach!
[08:19] <LaserJock> cya dholbach
[08:19] <crimsun> 'night daniel
[08:19] <dholbach> night other daniel :)
[08:54] <bojan> hi!
[08:54] <crimsun> hi
 sivang: well...we had a incredible idea...we are rewriting the linux kernel in python...but with a jvm beneath to have it running even on embedded devices ,)
[08:55] <JanC> why not use plain python?
[08:59] <JanC> \sh: http://sourceforge.net/projects/cleese/  <-- there already is an OS written in python  :)
[09:00] <jpatrick> I think John Cleese wrote it...
[09:01] <jpatrick> "written mostly in Python"
[09:02] <crimsun> I think I'll have my students consider nachos next semester
[09:05] <LaserJock> crimsun: I conside nachos almost every day at school, there is a good mexican place next to the Chemistry building ;-)
[09:06] <JanC> jpatrick: it has a python VM with some special builtins to access hardware ports etc.
[09:06] <crimsun> LaserJock :))
[09:06] <JanC> then you can write drivers in python  :)
[09:06] <JanC> they have a mouse driver and a vga driver written in python IIRC  :)
[09:07] <JanC> and have even written a little game that runs on the OS
[09:21] <crimsun> hmm.
[09:22] <crimsun> http://tiber.tauware.de/~sistpoty/MoM/index.py?state=new is a bit odd
[09:22] <crimsun> do I need to file new bugs and then immediately close them for ones like vtk, vlc, xmoto?
[09:55] <siretart> huh?
[09:55] <siretart> tiber offline?
[09:56] <crimsun> it's back.
[09:56] <crimsun> I was just going to ask but figured I'd wait a few more minutes before saying something
[09:56] <siretart> it was rebooted
[09:57] <siretart> Dec  9 15:27:39 tiber -- MARK --
[09:57] <siretart> Dec  9 15:47:39 tiber -- MARK --
[09:57] <siretart> Dec  9 15:53:52 tiber syslogd 1.4.1#17ubuntu3: restart.
[09:57] <crimsun> intentional, I presume?
[09:57] <siretart> looks like power failure
[09:57] <crimsun> d'oh :/
[09:57] <crimsun> last would confirm that