[12:33] (_james_/#kubuntu) ohh i dont know about live CD's im afraid
[12:34] (_james_/#kubuntu) probs only start chaning stuff like that on a full install
[12:34] <Coolio10> ok
[12:34] <_james_> unless you do something like this at the start...
[12:34] <nalioth> Coolio10: /etc/xorg.conf
[12:34] <_james_> linux screen=1024x768
[12:34] <_james_> instead of just pressing enter to boot
[12:35] <Coolio10> so if i made another partition for example G because i have windows installed on partition c would windows ask me to choose which one on startup or will it only choose the linux one by default
[12:35] <Coolio10> because i would still need windows
[12:36] <hugelmopf> Coolio10: the (k)ubuntu installer will install a bootloader for you, where you can choose either windows or kubuntu
[12:36] <_james_> nah if its installed then there is a config file
[12:36] <_james_> you can normaly select it as easy as you can in windows
[12:37] <_james_> but if not just change a few lines in a file and you will get it :)
[12:37] <DrGayus> can you run windows apps in kubuntu?
[12:37] <hugelmopf> DrGayus: look into wine (http://winehq.org/)
[12:38] <nalioth> Coolio10: grub (the linux bootloader) will ask you which OS you want to use each session
[12:38] <_james_> so guys how come KDE of Gnome?
[12:38] <troy> hey, wasn't karamba supposed to be integrated into 3.5? was it removed in the kubuntu packages?
[12:39] <Hobbsee> troy: it's now apt-get-able
[12:40] <chani> Coolio10: windows will do its best to deny linux exists. linux will let you choose what you want to do :)
[12:41] <demon71> does anyone know much about the program apollon?
[12:41] <troy> DrGayus: apt-get install wine
[12:41] <chani> Coolio10: I had a dual-boot machine at school, and hte guy I had to share it with once wiped out linux because windoze told him it was free space.
[12:41] <troy> DrGayus: I've had no problems with it
[12:41] <_james_> lol
[12:41] <DrGayus> awesome
[12:41] <DrGayus> one more q... :P
[12:42] <DrGayus> i got a 2wire dsl router/modem connected by usb,... and the usb driver i got is for windows only... what can i do?
[12:43] <chani> usb internet? o.0 yuck. hmm. I've never had to deal with those things
[12:43] <troy> DrGayus: if it's got an ethernet port on it, use that instead -- or cross your fingers (I've had USB modems work before)
[12:44] <Coolio10> so if i install ubuntu or kubuntu grub will automatically install with it and let me choose which system i want to boot?
[12:44] <chani> Coolio10: yes.
[12:44] <troy> Coolio10: indeed
[12:44] <_james_> aye
[12:44] <PhantomsDad> Hi.  If a user is installing kubuntu, would it make sense they would install a package named kttsd_3.5.0-0ubuntu0breezy1_i386.deb (note "ubuntu" in name)?
[12:44] <Coolio10> also will ubuntu create a partition for me if i didnt do it manually
[12:45] <troy> PhantomsDad: that's an accessibility package, optional I'd assume
[12:45] <chani> Coolio10: the install cd has that option yes
[12:45] <Hobbsee> PhantomsDad: may as well just apt-get it - you dont need to get the separate .deb for it
[12:45] <_james_> is anyone using 64bit kb? Im still on 32bit with my 3200 64bit chip, is it worth going up?
[12:45] <Coolio10> thanks for all the help guys!
[12:45] <Coolio10> bye
[12:45] <chani> Coolio10: it'll give you several choices about where to install. you do have free unpartitioned space, right?
[12:45] <Coolio10> ill come again when i get bored
[12:46] <_james_> c ya cool @)
[12:46] <PhantomsDad> I'm not kubuntu user (I am debian user).  Someone is reporting the package is really hosed.  Where would I download it from?
[12:46] <PaloDeQueso> Because of the fact that I can't seem to download random deb packages because of ubuntu's naming conventions for packages, is there more repositories that I can add that anyone knows of?
[12:46] <troy> _james_: I'm using amd64 kubuntu, it works as expected with one major exception: flash
[12:46] <_james_> Im a web designer :(
[12:46] <Coolio10> i have 51GB so i wouldnt worry
[12:47] <troy> _james_: you can get it to work, but it's a real PITA
[12:47] <_james_> thats kinda a essential
[12:47] <_james_> dammit
[12:47] <_james_> btw how to i only talk to you. im new to irc :( dont wana flood the room while asking about 64 bit
[12:47] <troy> _james_: /query troy
[12:47] <PaloDeQueso> _james_: are you talking about the plugin for browsing or creating flash things?
[12:48] <_james_> both, i need be able to test other peoples sites
[12:48] <Coolio10> The total size of my 1 C partition is 153GB And i have 52GB Free
[12:48] <chani> _james_: doesn't seem like flooding to me :) I like to listen in on this stuff
[12:48] <_james_> while trying to get flash development migrated from wine apps to native linux apps
[12:48] <_james_> oh ill  do open then :)
[12:48] <_james_> is it that much faster?
[12:48] <PaloDeQueso> because I believe you just add multiverse to your repositories... then install mozilla-flash-plugin to view them, and on kde-apps.org there's a flash editor for kde that is pretty much a clone of macromedias
[12:48] <demon71> Can anyone help with a Apollon question or other P2P software
[12:49] <troy> PaloDeQueso: yeah, except flash plugin doesn't work in amd64
[12:49] <troy> PaloDeQueso: you have to set up a 32bit chroot and such, big hassle
[12:49] <PaloDeQueso> oh damn
[12:49] <Coolio10> and for the person who asked why is kubuntu so good then ubunta i only use it because it seems easier for a noob like me and more friendly aswell:-)
[12:49] <_james_> well my office is my main pc (64bit) dual screen i use for codding but i have my laptop next to me, if the speed increase was worth it i could always do flash on the lappy...
[12:49] <PaloDeQueso> I didn't realize
[12:50] <PaloDeQueso> well, did any one read the eWeek article on osnews?
[12:50] <troy> 64bit isn't a huge increase in most cases
[12:50] <_james_> did not know you could chroot to diffrent bit numbers :S
[12:50] <PhantomsDad> Can noone tell me where to download kttsd_3.5.0-0ubuntu0breezy1_i386.deb or shall I just tell user kubuntu sucks.
[12:50] <hugelmopf> PhantomsDad: it is one of the official unofficial KDE 3.5 packages for Breezy. you can get them at http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde35
[12:50] <_james_> oh rite :(
[12:50] <PhantomsDad> hugelmopf: thanks
[12:50] <hugelmopf> PhantomsDad: what kind of attitude is that?
[12:50] <PaloDeQueso> about the conference to bring together a lot of things in the linux projects.
[12:50] <chani> PhantomsDad: have you googled for it?
[12:50] <PaloDeQueso> like there's now a committe of people from kde and gnome working together.
[12:51] <troy> _james_: you can run 32bit programs on 64 bit mode if you have all the 32bit libs installed that it requires
[12:51] <troy> _james_: for example, opera (which is 32bit only) runs just fine out-of-the-box on my amd64 system
[12:52] <_james_> I do want to convert, if not for speed then for the sake of supporting advancing open source testing, as im an active advocate of the movement but this is my work and my business and if its still to unstable then i will have probs!
[12:52] <_james_> is that just a case of using 32 bit repositories? do you need to overide the conflict warnings?
[12:52] <neoncode> will a 32bit program run fine on the 64bit version of linux?
[12:52] <hugelmopf> neoncode: yes, if all libraries it needs are installed in 32bit as well.
[12:52] <troy> _james_: stay with the 32 bit install -- the only places you'd find really big gains is for memory intensive programs that do video encoding, for example
[12:53] <_james_> ok thanks for the advice :)
[12:53] <troy> neoncode: currently the 32bit-on-64bit for  *ubuntu is a bit awkward - not something I'd recommend to someone new to linux
[12:54] <_james_> ill stick to 32 for now i think untill its a bit more usefull
[12:54] <_james_> quite intrested in using gentoo on 64bit mode, in theory it would be very very very fast
[12:54] <troy> I've heard rumblings that they are trying to come up with a better way to do 32bit on 64bit for dapper - but I don't have any real information to back it up...
[12:54] <robotgeek> _james_: everything works in theory :)
[12:54] <_james_> lol
[12:54] <troy> _james_: 64bit does not mean "twice as fast" - it means larger memory registers
[12:55] <_james_> sorry that i cant reply privately and have to reply openly btw its because im not registered, i dont use irc
[12:55] <robotgeek> i prefer to save time by not compiling at all
[12:55] <_james_> lol troy im aware ;) but I can live in hope it means twice as fast :P
[12:55] <troy> which can sometimes translate to faster, but not always - most apps are at most 5% faster
[12:55] <robotgeek> then, there's always prelinking
[12:56] <_james_> maybe i will just go over to 64 bit ubuntu, then overclock and pretend :)
[12:56] <troy> prelinking is silly - for the few seconds I save on boot, I introduce binary incompatibilities -- not worth it
[12:57] <Hobbsee> i tried prelinking, and got sick of it
[12:57] <_james_> only ever done it outside of ubuntu
[12:57] <_james_> would not dream of it now, dont wana upset apt
[12:58] <neoncode> do you recon I should shell out for a 64bit processer then?
[12:59] <troy> neoncode: personally, if the choice is between 32bit and 64bit and the price difference is not huge, go 64bit (you don't lose anything - you can always install the 32bit distro)
[12:59] <_james_> may as well, its going to be standard in 12-18 months
[12:59] <troy> neoncode: if you have gobs of money, try the 64bit duel core for lots of fun :)
[12:59] <_james_> aye thats what i have done troy
[01:00] <_james_> only the single core tho :(
[01:00] <neoncode> 64bit dual core - why, what are the advantages?
[01:00] <troy> neoncode: twice as fast :P two CPU's on one chip
[01:00] <_james_> better looking box on the retail version ;)
[01:00] <troy> that too :)
[01:00] <neoncode> how much would the latest AMD 64 bit dual core cost? in GBP if possible?
[01:01] <_james_> they cost about 500 quid
[01:01] <_james_> <<<in southampton, bought my 64 bit single core about a month back
[01:01] <neoncode> troy: GBP = Great British Pounds
[01:01] <sonorous> i.e. more than a kick in the bollocks
[01:01] <_james_> quid = Great British Pounds (Sterling)
[01:01] <sonorous> :(
[01:01] <_james_> ;)
[01:02] <neoncode> =D
[01:02] <_james_> ebuyer seems to have the best prices  tho their service sucks
[01:02] <sonorous> yeah, ebuyer are good when they're not messing you around
[01:02] <_james_> i recommend ording one of their sata drives, they screwed my order and sent me a 370 xeon :D
[01:02] <sonorous> good evening btw
[01:02] <demon71> can anyone help me with installing java on kubuntu breezy
[01:02] <sonorous> haha
[01:02] <Hobbsee> !javadeb
[01:02] <ubotu> hmm... javadebs is Sun Java debs packaged for breezy are at http://www.giannaros.org/public/breezydebs/
[01:03] <_james_> my 3.2 (single core 64bit) was 120 i think
[01:03] <neoncode> Are athalon's the best?
[01:03] <_james_> expensive, but no where near the dual core price
[01:03] <_james_> personal prefrence, i think they are
[01:03] <troy> neoncode: I'd agree, personal preference
[01:04] <_james_> its kinda a linux vrs windows argument when it comes to intel vrs amd
[01:04] <neoncode> Are the althalon(sp?) chips dual-core? and 64bit?
[01:04] <demon71> ubotu: so i went there but you gotta remember im retarted, what to do when im there?
[01:04] <ubotu> I'm sorry, i don't know what you're talking about, demon71
[01:04] <_james_> althalon no, X2 yes, samperon kinda :S mix of 32 and 64 bit cores
[01:05] <neoncode> ok WTF is a turion?
[01:05] <troy> demon71: ubotu is a robot
[01:05] <neoncode> !ubotu
[01:05] <hugelmopf> neoncode: the mobile 64 bit AMD processor
[01:05] <ubotu> Yep, that's me! I'm a bot alright. Read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbotuUsage to find out how to use me. Do NOT play with me in any channel.
[01:05] <_james_> cheep version of the ath i think
[01:05] <hugelmopf> _james_: no!
[01:05] <demon71> good to know....
[01:05] <demon71> thanks
[01:05] <_james_> oh rite lol, i bow to hugel's superior chip knowlege lol
[01:05] <troy> get an X2 if you can afford it -- it's freakin' sweet!
[01:06] <neoncode> what about a: AMD athlon 64 FX?
[01:06] <neoncode> or is X2 better?
[01:06] <_james_> damit stop googling chip names ;P
[01:06] <neoncode> _james_: I went on the AMD website
[01:06] <_james_> x2 is better FX is more for home use, X2 is high end work stations
[01:06] <neoncode> What about for gameing?
[01:07] <_james_> lol neon, damn the internet
[01:07] <_james_> FX supposed to be better for games
[01:07] <neoncode> :P
[01:07] <troy> neoncode: not all games are written to take advantage of multiple cores yet though
[01:07] <neoncode> and is the FX dual core?
[01:07] <_james_> your the one on amd.com you tell us! :P
[01:07] <neoncode> Hey I don;t know
[01:07] <chani> mm. amd.
[01:08] <_james_> i think so ;)
[01:08] <neoncode> HyperTransport technology... Oooo I wonder where they got that name from
[01:08] <_james_> erm if your suggestion that they stole it from intel its actauly the other way around
[01:09] <_james_> they have had it for years but made a big deal of it after intel started with it too and were advertising it as if it was something new lol
[01:09] <neoncode> _james_: Oooo
[01:09] <neoncode> I know nothing about this sort of thing
[01:09] <neoncode> >_<
[01:09] <_james_> As a linux user i think we should use AMD, because intel is so far up MS' A$$
[01:10] <neoncode> Can you swear on this chanel?
[01:10] <troy> probably against channel usage guidelines
[01:10] <_james_> duno, never realy had to try
[01:10] <neoncode> anyway, moveing on!
[01:10] <troy> depends how "Official" this channel is
[01:11] <_james_> dont intend to either, i dont consider ass a bad word :S
[01:11] <_james_> aye... lol
[01:11] <neoncode> oh with linux it's nvidia>ATi right?
[01:11] <_james_> yea linux is nvidia and amd
[01:11] <_james_> windows is ATI and intel
[01:11] <neoncode> My current computer is ATi and intel...
[01:11] <_james_> least officaly thats how it stands, dont know how that holds up in the 'feild'
[01:12] <neoncode> Well i'm going to build a new compter and I definalty think i'm going with AMD and Nvidia
[01:12] <lqb> I've kubuntu on my ibook, powerpc.... At the begining it suspend ok when I close the computer.... but now, it doesn't suspend :S I don't know what happen :S apmd is running and I don't modify any configuration of the apm
[01:12] <_james_> better driver support that way around as far as i know
[01:13] <troy> my ATI pci express board works fine with ATI supplied drivers, even on amd64
[01:13] <_james_> anyway its 12:12 and i aint spending my whole friday night being a geek :) night guys
[01:13] <neoncode> I'm not going to bed untill 5 AM
[01:13] <neoncode> ;)
[01:13] <troy> they are definately doing a lot better now - about equal in support to nvidia - still a little anal retentive though :)
[01:13] <Insom-> anyone know why sed 's/\?//' doesn't remove the ? characters?
[01:13] <_james_> lol nerds with coffee, what a combo
[01:13] <_james_> bye lol
[01:13] <neoncode> I don't realy like coffee
[01:13] <neoncode> tea is better
[01:13] <Insom-> mmm coffee
[01:14] <neoncode> and tea!
[01:14] <hugelmopf> lqb: sorry, i am not ignoring you, but i don't have a ibook, thus no answer.
[01:15] <lqb> uhm :( ok... thanks
[01:15] <Coolio10> hi again
[01:15] <neoncode> Hey, micro$oft -finaly- got round to doing a 64bit version of windows, how long ago did linux have 64bit?
[01:17] <demon71>  can anyone help with adept problem?
[01:17] <neoncode> demon71: What now?
[01:18] <demon71> i added a bad repos and adept wont open now.
[01:18] <spola> how can i have when i plug in my mp3 player an icon appears on the desktop ?
[01:18] <demon71> not a repos but a database
[01:18] <neoncode> demon71: just reset your sources list?
[01:18] <demon71> sorry
[01:19] <demon71> cool how do i do that
[01:19] <demon71> will anything be lost?
[01:19] <neoncode> well any new repos you added yes
[01:19] <neoncode> but if it's a database thing then I dunno?
[01:19] <neoncode> sudo apt-get update prehaps?
[01:19] <hugelmopf> spola: this should happen automatically in Kubuntu 5.10. does it not?
[01:19] <demon71> the error "The APT Database could not be opened! This may be caused by incorrect APT configuration or something similar. Try running apt-setup and apt-get update in terminal and see if it helps to resolve the problem."
[01:20] <neoncode> demon71: Did you try those commands?
[01:20] <spola> no it doesnt, whats the program called? i know gnome-volume-manager, but whats the kde one?
[01:21] <demon71> when i run those i get, apt-get update- " E: Type 'http://www.giannaros.org/public/breezydebs/' is not known on line 1 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list"
[01:21] <neoncode> ok
[01:22] <neoncode> demon71: paste your /etc/apt/sources.list file to the paste bin
[01:22] <hugelmopf> spola: how did you install kde? with the kubuntu installer, or with the kubuntu-desktop package, or with the kde packages themselves?
[01:23] <chani> spola: it's a nice standard usb connection, right?
[01:23] <spola> i apt-getted kubuntu-desktop package from the before-current-one ubuntu (gnome)
[01:23] <spola> chani, yeah it works no problem in gnome or xp
[01:24] <chani> I heard my bug is fixed, though.. I just dunno whether the fix is in breezy
[01:24] <demon71> neoncode: ive got /etc/apt/sources.list opened up but how/where do i paste in bin?
[01:24] <hugelmopf> spola: and does the drive show up in media:/ ?
[01:24] <neoncode> !pastebin
[01:24] <ubotu> methinks pastebin is a site where you can post large texts and screenshots so you don't flood the channel. You can find it at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org
[01:24] <spola> no it doesnt get mounted
[01:25] <chani> spola: it doesn't show up in /media either?
[01:25] <chani> it just does nothing?
[01:25] <spola> chani, excactly
[01:25] <spola> wait, brb, im gonna restart kde
[01:25] <chani> hrm. not the same as my problem then, evil.
[01:25] <chani> spola: dmesg *might* give some clues
[01:28] <spola> ok i plugged it in, nothing happened again, but ill check dmsg
[01:28] <hugelmopf> spola: i was not talking about it being mounted in /media, but about it showing up in KDE's "media:/" ioslave, which it can do, even if it is not mounted, i believe.
[01:29] <spola> oh
[01:29] <spola> hey cool it's there ! :-)
[01:30] <spola> no icon on desktop tho
[01:30] <hugelmopf> spola: configure your desktop (rightclick) behaviour to show unmounted devices.
[01:30] <spola> n when i click it it tries to mount it but it doesnt seem to succeed in doing so
[01:30] <spola> oh ok
[01:31] <hugelmopf> hmm, i don't know, why it doesn't succeed.
[01:31] <hugelmopf> you might need to look at dmesg for that
[01:31] <DrGayus> bummer, kubuntu install failed... poop... failed install base system...
[01:33] <spola> hmm no partition found, aight i think i can handle it from here (fdisk n mkfs.vfat right?)
[01:33] <hugelmopf> sounds right. good luck
[01:35] <DrGayus> i selected a free partition on a slave disk, format as XFS, mark as bootable, and set to be root  "  / " , but base system failed to install around 6%... is there something wrong in my partition config?
[01:36] <neoncode> Have any of you ever used liquid cooling systems?
[01:40] <spola> real men submerge their pc in olive oil :p
[01:40] <chani> DrGayus: well, boot flag is irrelevant to linux iirc, and I've never used XFS (not even sure what fs it is), but I don't see how any of that would make it fail
[01:40] <chani> how did it fail?
[01:40] <chani> and how big is the partition?
[01:40] <DrGayus> its 8.5gb
[01:41] <DrGayus> at about 6% a red box came up and said 'failed to install base system' and to check bootstrap.log ...
[01:41] <chani> DrGayus: and what did bootstrap.log say?
[01:42] <DrGayus> im in windows... and it cant read that partition now...
[01:42] <neoncode> spola: I've seen pics of that online, how does that go then?
[01:42] <[Relic] > how do I permanently kill bluetooth?   aka what is the master list for starting processes?
[01:42] <DrGayus> i dont know how to view it anyway from linux...
[01:42] <chani> DrGayus: I'd suggerst booting knoppix or something and looking at the partition then
[01:43] <DrGayus> oh, ok
[01:43] <spola> neoncode, A) buy pc B) buy lots of olive oil C) submerge A in B :p
[01:43] <chani> from there you can read the log, and get back on irc if you have more questions :)
[01:44] <[Relic] > ain't popeye gonna get mad if you do that?  :)
[01:44] <DrGayus> k ill try thanks
[01:44] <chani> spola: lol
[01:45] <[Relic] > also doesn't that get your CDs a tad messy?
[01:45] <neoncode> I think you have to not submerge your PSU and CD-ROM
[01:45] <nalioth> [Relic] : you have your optical and hard drives above the oil, just the mobo is submerged
[01:45] <chani> [Relic] : I saw something in the config app for starting/stopping serviuces... but I've no idea if that's what you want
[01:46] <[Relic] > the fish tank computer set up :)
[01:46] <neoncode> whould that actualy work?
[01:46] <[Relic] > is it init.d?
[01:46] <chani> [Relic] : that's part of it.
[01:46] <neoncode> I realy need to goto kubuntu-offtopic sometime...
[01:47] <chani> [Relic] : /etc/init.d is where hte start/stop scripts are stored. something else calls them... in gentoo I use rc-update
[01:47] <chani> but I'm pretty sure kubuntu doesn't have rc-update
[01:47] <neoncode> Oh what's the best grapics chipset to use with linux?
[01:48] <chani> neoncode: personally, I use nvidia with the proprietary drivers. but I'm not much of a gamer
[01:48] <neoncode> chani: I know but should I get the GeForce 7 then?
[01:48] <chani> neoncode: no idea. can't even remember what I have... 5xxx I think...
[01:49] <chani> whee, almost 5, I'm outta here
[01:54] <nalioth> neoncode: if you'd like to join #kubuntu-offtopic i'd be glad to yak about cooling techniques
[01:55] <neoncode> nalioth: Deal
[02:08] <Skrotto> Hi. I get "/usr/lib/amarok/amarokapp: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libkjs.so.1: undefined symbol: pcre_free" when I try to start amarok from kubuntu (latest) with kde 3.5 (from kubuntu packages). Any clue?
[02:13] <freelove> Skrotto: do u see ur storage media....just check:)
[02:21] <aroman> hi
[02:21] <aroman> my system's developed a weird clock skew
[02:22] <aroman> if I update the clock with ntp it's okay for a few hours, and then the skew becomes noticeable
[02:22] <aroman> ie. now my computer's clock is 21:00
[02:22] <nalioth> aroman: is your PSU ok?
[02:22] <sambagirl> my clock says 20 past eight ;)
[02:22] <sambagirl> twenty past eight
[02:23] <sambagirl> that is very cool
[02:28] <Coolio10> hi
[02:28] <Coolio10> which is easier, kubuntu or ubuntu?
[02:29] <Coolio10> also is grub automatically installed with them both and when you are installing them can you create partitions
[02:29] <Tm_T> Kubuntu <3
[02:29] <Coolio10> which is easier, kubuntu or ubuntu?
[02:29] <Coolio10> ok
[02:29] <Tm_T> what you mean?
[02:29] <aroman> Coolio10: both are the same IMO... whichever you like better, KDE or GNOME
[02:29] <freelove> kubuntu!
[02:29] <aroman> but then again, I use a console for most things...
[02:29] <Tm_T> I don't
[02:30] <Tm_T> I use Konsole
[02:30] <Skrotto> How would one go about to remove the enitre KDE from kubuntu (for the purpose of reinstalling it)?
[02:30] <Tm_T> ;--P
[02:30] <freelove> Coolio10: go for kubuntu....u wont regret it:D
[02:30] <Tm_T> freelove: whaat?! ;p
[02:31] <nalioth> Coolio10: there is no difference, really, ubuntu uses gnome and kubuntu uses kde
[02:31] <nalioth> Coolio10: you can have both on your box and use a different one each day
[02:32] <nalioth> Skrotto: in a terminal, type "sudo apt-get install --reinstall kubuntu-desktop"
[02:32] <Tm_T> but I hope you all stay away from gnome!!11 ;---P
[02:33] <Skrotto> nalioth: Will that *remove* everything and then install, or simply install stuff (rewrite) existing stuff?
[02:33] <Tm_T> nalioth: uh, that reinstalls dependencies too? :o
[02:33] <nalioth> Coolio10: for more choice, you also have xubuntu
[02:33] <Tm_T> ok, I'm too tired and hungry to be serious or reasonable
[02:33] <nalioth> Skrotto: you'll have to open adept and remove everything that starts with "k" to remove everything
[02:34] <nalioth> Skrotto: open a terminal and type "man apt-get" and you'll find many options
[02:34] <Skrotto> thanks
[02:35] <nalioth> Skrotto: also, i find synaptic has more features than adept, for this kind of thing
[02:35] <Skrotto> i see
[02:39] <Coolio10> is it better to create seperate partiitons for each system or use 1 partition because i heard it doesnt really matter because grub is automatically installed with ubuntu or kubuntu so you can choose both operating systems and both of the systems let you create partiitons during install.
[02:42] <djk_> ubuntu und kubuntu use the same base system.. unless you want to install a different distro as well there's no need for a different /
[02:43] <Coolio10> should i make windows a different partiiton and ubuntu and kubuntu on theyre own one together?
[02:43] <djk_> that's a must, yes.
[02:48] <Coolio10> i havent yet installed kubuntu but i am going to make a new partiiton and then install kubuntu but how much space will the partition need because im taking the space from my C Drive
[02:48] <Coolio10> if you know any good free partition tools it will be great
[02:50] <djk_> gparted, qparted, qtparted, parted..
[02:50] <nalioth> Coolio10: use qtparted for resizing ntfs partitions
[02:50] <Coolio10> how much space does kubuntu need?
[02:51] <Tm_T> it depends
[02:51] <djk_> nalioth: isn't gparted better since qtparted hasn't been developed in quite a while?
[02:51] <Tm_T> you can fit it to 1G or it might need 20G
[02:51] <Coolio10> i have 52GB Free
[02:51] <nalioth> qtparted uses ntfsprogs while gparted does not
[02:52] <djk_> nalioth: you're wrong
[02:52] <djk_> nalioth: http://gparted.sourceforge.net/features.php
[02:53] <kkathman> nalioth is never wrong
[02:53] <djk_> well, according to that site he is ;)
[02:53] <kkathman> hey may not be exactly right, but he's never wrong :)
[02:53] <djk_> hehe
[02:53] <kkathman> LOL
[02:53] <nalioth> djk_: is that the version of gparted that is in our liveCDs ?
[02:54] <djk_> nalioth: i don't know which version is in the liveCDs, i don't have any liveCDs
[02:54] <djk_> of ubuntu..
[02:54] <nalioth> djk_: then qtparted is a safe answer, since it's had ntfsprogs usability longer than gparted
[02:56] <kkathman> why would either be on the live CD?
[02:56] <kkathman> maybe on the install
[02:56] <kkathman> then again I may not know everything about gt/qtparted
[02:57] <djk_> the more important question is.. does he even have NTFS partitions..
[02:58] <kkathman> if qt/gtparted is for disk partitioning and formatting there wouldnt be much need for it on a LiveCD right?
[03:00] <djk_> that depends. there's always the possibility of need ;)
[03:00] <nalioth> gparted comes on the ubu livecd, not sure if qtparted comes on the kubu livecd
[03:01] <nalioth> djk_: it is good to assume so, since no shipping windows box has had fat32 in years
[03:01] <djk_> nalioth: btw, gparted had ntfs support since 0.0.7 which was released on 2004-12-04
[03:01] <nalioth> djk_: wow. i did not know that
[03:01] <djk_> i just checked the changelogs :)
[03:03] <kkathman> well Im not doubting that it does..Im just asking why
[03:03] <djk_> and 0.0.9 was just released about 2 weeks ago so the livecd most likely comes with 0.0.8
[03:06] <nalioth> djk_: iirc, nobody could resize their ntfs from the hoary livecd, probably where i got my idears
[03:06] <djk_> weird, hoary should have had 0.0.8 as well..
[03:09] <djk_> kkathman: for example one could want to create a partition for his mp3s or for his games.. thus there'd be a need for it..
[03:10] <kkathman> I suppose
[03:11] <djk_> what's on the install-cd?
[03:12] <Coolio10> you only have live cd?
[03:12] <Coolio10> i have kubuntu and ubuntu dvd
[03:12] <djk_> no, i meant, which partitioner is on the install-cd.
[03:13] <Coolio10> i could check quickly
[03:15] <Coolio10> which does everyone think is better? I mean straight from the core so KDE Or Gnome?
[03:15] <nalioth> djk_: ntfsprogs is built into the isntaller
[03:15] <nalioth> djk_: i believe the program on the installer is a called partman
[03:16] <djk_> nalioth: do you know if there'll be the possibility of using reiser4 in dapper?
[03:16] <nalioth> djk_: i'm not up on their plans
[03:17] <djk_> who would know?
[03:18] <nalioth> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperDrake
[03:18] <nalioth> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperGoals
[03:26] (Coolio10/#kubuntu) ive seen a few screenshots of an ubuntu install and when you select a partiiton they are named IDE so how would you know which partition?
[03:26] <Coolio10>  ive seen a few screenshots of an ubuntu install and when you select a partiiton they are named IDE so how would you know which partition?
[03:30] <nmorse> Well guys, I finally got around to upgrading my gaming machine and general video use box to Breezy from Hoary.
[03:30] <nmorse> Now the monitor won't work at all.
[03:30] <nmorse> Every time I start X the monitor goes into powersave mode.
[03:35] <Coolio10> kubuntu or ubuntu?
[03:36] <nmorse> Kubuntu.
[03:37] <nmorse> For the record, it's a KDS XF7i monitor with a Radeon 9600 video card.
[03:38] <nmorse> I'm using the ATI binary drivers.
[03:38] <Coolio10> is it a fresh install of kubuntu?
[03:39] <nmorse> No, an upgrade from Breezy.
[03:39] <nmorse> I've got too much stuff on the hard drive to want to do a fresh install.
[04:01] <MrBlowtatoes> Hello, how do i get X to user nvidia-glx?
[04:02] <viviersf> erm
[04:02] <MrBlowtatoes> use*
[04:02] <viviersf> sudo vi /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[04:02] <viviersf> edit the Driver "vesa" in the gfx part of it
[04:02] <viviersf> and restart X
[04:03] <MrBlowtatoes> Heh, i'm very new tolinux, i have kubuntu insatlled, and i am trying to get my nvidia card work, so, how do i do all that?
[04:03] <MrBlowtatoes> mainly the secodn two
[04:03] <MrBlowtatoes> second*
[04:04] <seth_k> hi MrBlowtatoes, you'll want to read this page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[04:04] <MrBlowtatoes> that's for gnome
[04:04] <viviersf> yo seth_k
[04:04] <MrBlowtatoes> the people in  #ubuntu told me to come here, after giveing me that page
[04:05] <seth_k> heya viviersf
[04:05] <seth_k> MrBlowtatoes, what kind of nVidia card do you have?
[04:05] <viviersf> lol
[04:05] <MrBlowtatoes> Nvidia GeForce FX 5200 128MB
[04:05] <viviersf> "a fast one"
[04:06] <seth_k> right, then just follow the directions here, word-for-word: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[04:06] <MrBlowtatoes> i'm useing it now, but all opengl stuff is REALLY slow
[04:06] <seth_k> right
[04:06] <seth_k> that binary driver will enable OpenGL
[04:06] <MrBlowtatoes> i can't it tells me to go to menus i don't have
[04:06] <seth_k> (right now t's using software emulation)
[04:06] <seth_k> oh right, b/c you don't use Synaptic
[04:06] <seth_k> okay, here's how you do it :)
[04:07] <viviersf> lol
[04:07] <seth_k> MrBlowtatoes, open Konsole (the terminal) and paste this: kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:08] <MrBlowtatoes> heh, about 50 warnings poped up
[04:08] <MrBlowtatoes> bute kate opened good
[04:09] <seth_k> alright, now look for lines that include a big URL and the word "restricted". I think there are two?
[04:09] <MrBlowtatoes> theres about 10
[04:09] <seth_k> They'll begin with a # mark. You want to remove that mark, so the first thing on the line is "deb"
[04:09] <seth_k> MrBlowtatoes, but only 2 that contain the word "restricted"
[04:09] <MrBlowtatoes> actually, all of them are restricted
[04:09] <MrBlowtatoes> no, all of them to
[04:09] <seth_k> erm
[04:09] <MrBlowtatoes> do*
[04:09] <seth_k> alrighty
[04:09] <seth_k> remove the # from each line containing "restricted"
[04:09] <MrBlowtatoes> i've added to it
[04:10] <seth_k> ah
[04:10] <MrBlowtatoes> i rmeoved the commnted ones also
[04:10] <MrBlowtatoes>  the # symbols
[04:10] <seth_k> alright
[04:10] <seth_k> close kate
[04:10] <seth_k> and do: sudo apt-get update
[04:10] <MrBlowtatoes> W: GPG error: http://us.archive.ubuntu.com breezy Release: Unknown error executing gpgv
[04:11] <MrBlowtatoes> other wise it completed successfully
[04:11] <seth_k> ah, you're using us. It's down right now... you may want to open the file back up and change to http://archive.ubuntu.com
[04:11] <nalioth> MrBlowtatoes: install gnupg
[04:11] <MrBlowtatoes> gnupg?
[04:11] <seth_k> nalioth, no... that's a US archive problem today methinks
[04:12] <MrBlowtatoes> is already the newest version
[04:12] <nalioth> seth_k: says error 'executing' gpgv
[04:12] <seth_k> nalioth, unknown error executing it... it's returning wonky checksums from US today
[04:12] <nalioth> ah, then i guess we're back to gpgerr
[04:13] <nalioth> MrBlowtatoes: edit your sources.list to say archive.blah, instead of us.archive.blah
[04:13] <seth_k> MrBlowtatoes, then paste this: sudo apt-get install nvidia-settings nvidia-glx linux-restricted-modules-386 && sudo nvidia-glx-config enable
[04:13] <seth_k> and when you restart X, your drivers will be up and running :)
[04:15] <MrBlowtatoes> how do i restart?
[04:15] <nalioth> MrBlowtatoes: ctrl-alt-bksp
[04:16] <MrBlowtatoes> when it downlaods a 23 mb archive, then  unpacks it, does it deleetd the archive after wards?
[04:16] <MrBlowtatoes> or is it leaveing all this on my HDD?
[04:16] <MrBlowtatoes> [only 8GB HD, need to convswerve] 
[04:17] <gahal> I'm trying to make a flyer in Openoffice Draw, but the program keeps locking up after a minute or two of use, anyone have any ideas for me to try?
[04:23] <MrBlowtatoes> wow, it works
[04:23] <MrBlowtatoes> and mu res is 1600x1200
[04:24] <seth_k> :)
[04:25] <MrBlowtatoes> heh
[04:25] <MrBlowtatoes> all hell is breaking loose on the fireworks screen saver [this is how i test my nvidia card] 
[04:27] <MrBlowtatoes> hey, i think i foujnd a bug in kubuntu aswell
[04:28] <BigKahuna> I'm using a moodin KDM theme and was wondering if it would be possible to hack in a sound effect. Basically I want my KDE start-up sound to play as soon as my password has been accpeted as opposed to when KDE loads
[05:10] <vito> any VNC experts here ? I need help with loading vncserver at boot without logging in
[05:16] <CarstenP> i cant unmount /media/sdb1 (its a compact flash card reader) via gui, what is the command line command for that?
[05:18] <nalioth> CarstenP: umount /media/sdb1 or use sudo in front if it doesnt work as a regular user
[05:20] <CarstenP> nalioth: thank you! Any idea how i can mount it again in that way that i have the right to write stuff on it?
[05:21] <nalioth> CarstenP: i'm not familiar with how automount does permissions, and i don't want to advise you in ignorance and perhaps botch your box
[05:23] <CarstenP> nalioth: okay, i understand that, but arent it just one line to the "etc/fstab" ?
[05:23] <Delvien> Anyone know how i change the color of the window list ( the applications that are currently open)
[05:23] <nalioth> CarstenP: i dont think the fstab has anything to do with the automount, but you could try it
[05:25] <Hobbsee> !mount
[05:25] <nalioth> Hobbsee: ubotu crashed in the flood attack
[05:26] <Hobbsee> ugh
[05:26] <Hobbsee> flood attack?
[05:26] <nalioth> some idiot flooded 600 usernames at once into #ubuntu
[05:26] <nalioth> knocked most of us offline for a second
[05:27] <Hobbsee> ugh
[05:27] <nalioth> and knocked ubotu plumb out
[05:27] <LeeJunFan> The joys of irc.
[05:28] <nalioth> yes, attacks at channel level are useless on a services-controlled network
[05:28] <Delvien> why would anyone do that ?
[05:28] <nalioth> to irritate everyone
[05:29] <Delvien> lol people are stupid
[05:29] <Delvien> i dont think they get that stuff like that doesnt irritate people more than it makes them laugh
[05:29] <nalioth> well, when it knock you offline on a dialup, it's irritating
[05:29] <LeeJunFan> I dunno, SPAM irritates me. :)
[05:30] <Delvien> shouldnt let it...
[05:30] <Delvien> only people in IRC channels are anal about that sorta stuff.
[05:30] <LeeJunFan> I think they should have a SPAMmer season right after deer season.
[05:31] <poimen> sup nalioth :)
[05:31] <LeeJunFan> Delvien: run an ISP where you have a few thousand people who complain to you about the SPAM it'll irritate you too.
[05:31] <nalioth> poimen: samesame
[05:31] <Delvien> LeeJunFan well tell them not to be wussbags :P
[05:32] <LeeJunFan> Delvien: if I didn't care about making money there's a lot of things I tell them :p
[05:33] <LeeJunFan> Delvien: but they don't listen anyway, look at just how "common knowledge" it is to not open executables in e-mails, but yet viruses still spread.
[05:33] <Delvien> LeeJunFan well do you tell them that spam isnt your fault
[05:33] <os2mac> hobbsee you around?
[05:33] <Hobbsee> os2mac: yeah
[05:33] <poimen> nalioth : :-)  me very happy :) on my KDE 3.5  Kubuntu Box  x86_64 build runs nice and all hardware works exept for the tvtuner :) ( and the smp but that is just a matter of compiling my own kernel)
[05:34] <nalioth> poimen: smp is available in the repos
[05:35] <poimen> yeah but for the AMD_x86-64 k8 or something like that the one for the em64t (intel 64) it has something wrong :(
[05:35] <os2mac> anyone know how I can get kaffeine working correctly?
[05:35] <os2mac> it won't play .avi files
[05:35] <poimen> os2mac you got the plugins?
[05:35] <nalioth> poimen: use 686-smp (or compile your own)
[05:35] <os2mac> thought I did... but I may have lost them...
[05:35] <MrBlowtatoes> can i use synaptec with kubuntu?
[05:35] <os2mac> got a link?
[05:36] <neoncode> MrBlowtatoes: Yup
[05:36] <MrBlowtatoes> apt-getable?
[05:36] <neoncode> Huh? If you mean can you get it from apt-get then yes
[05:36] <LeeJunFan> LeeJunFan tell os2mac about codecs
[05:37] <poimen> nalioth I will compile my own I think I have done it  in the past bur but it have pased like a year wiout compiling it so I will have to read a lot lol
[05:37] <LeeJunFan> :)
[05:37] <MrBlowtatoes> what si the commnd?
[05:37] <LeeJunFan> os2mac: take a look here: http://ubuntuguide.org/#codecs
[05:37] <kkathman> hey LeeJunFan :)
[05:37] <LeeJunFan> howdy.
[05:37] <Delvien> hey kkath
[05:38] <MrBlowtatoes> what is the package name?
[05:38] <MrBlowtatoes> synaptec don't work
[05:38] <kkathman> Delvien:  How goes it my friend?
[05:38] <Delvien> pretty good
[05:38] <kkathman> excellent!
[05:38] <nalioth> LeeJunFan: please dont do that
[05:38] <LeeJunFan> what?
[05:38] <zsarker> hello
[05:39] <nalioth> LeeJunFan: mention the 'guide, use this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[05:39] <nalioth> LeeJunFan: or help.ubuntu.com
[05:39] <aj_calrissian> Hi guys
[05:39] <kkathman> lol nalioth :)
[05:39] <Delvien> nalioth ubuntuguide is still usefull if you know how/when to use it
[05:40] <nalioth> Delvien: yes, but for new to *nix users, it can be quite problematic
[05:40] <LeeJunFan> nalioth: sry, just googled for ubuntu codecs and that's what I found. Didn't mean to bunch up your tighty whities :)
[05:40] <aj_calrissian> can anyone help with installing firefox 1.5?
[05:41] <Hobbsee> aj_calrissian: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxNewVersion
[05:41] <nalioth> LeeJunFan: that info is in an ubuntu safe format at the above URLs i linked
[05:41] <kkathman> aj_calrissian: just go to the site, download the linux version and untar it in your home directory
[05:41] <kkathman> then set a symlink to /usr/bin
[05:41] <aj_calrissian> 8-O
[05:41] <kkathman> works like a champ :)
[05:41] <kkathman> good luck aj_calrissian :)
[05:42] <aj_calrissian> thats all well and good, but I'm really a n00b
[05:42] <LeeJunFan> nalioth: gotcha, I just couldn't find the right link and didn't see anyone else offering an answer, it was the best I had at short notice.
[05:42] <os2mac> LeeJunFan when ever I try to play a file... I get an error saying something about couldn't enter a null value... and it defaults to caca no matter what I select.
[05:42] <nalioth> LeeJunFan: just remember "help.ubuntu.com"
[05:42] <kkathman> aj_calrissian: not a probl...let me know if you need any further assistance
[05:42] <aj_calrissian> k
[05:46] <LeeJunFan> os2mac: that's a new one by me. I'm able to play almost every format using xine as the multimedia engine. I installed libxine1c2, kaffeine-xine, and win32 codecs, and configure kaffeine to use the xine engine.
[05:47] <aj_calrissian> @kkathman I just downloaded it from the FF site. it went ot my /tmp/ directory, will that make any difference when I go to install it?
[05:48] <kkathman> aj_calrissian: not really..but if you could move that to your home directory it will be beneficial
[05:48] <kkathman> use the mv command to do so
[05:49] <aj_calrissian> I think I got it
[05:49] <kkathman> great!
[05:49] <kkathman> aj_calrissian: yer doing good!
[05:49] <aj_calrissian> ok not yet, but I completed the first steps as far as getitng it into /opt
[05:50] <Kububtu_Drew3> Is it normal to see a little lag when using the live DVD?
[05:50] <kkathman> can you copy that tar file to your home directory??
[05:51] <kkathman> aj_calrissian:  mv firefoxfile ~
[05:51] <aj_calrissian> I don't think i need to
[05:51] <poimen> someone have a 2.6 howtoo about compiling it??
[05:51] <aj_calrissian> I have it expanded into my /opt/firefox dir
[05:52] <kkathman> thats kewl..just as long as you put a symlink in /usr/bin
[05:52] <kkathman> brb
[05:52] <aj_calrissian> k
[05:54] <aj_calrissian> ULTIMATE w00tness!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
[05:55] <aj_calrissian> thank you thank you thank you thank you KKathman!
[06:03] <chaoticgeek> hello all
[06:03] <chaoticgeek> ubotu: hi
[06:03] <ubotu> what's up
[06:05] <kkathman> back
[06:05] <kkathman> yer welcom aj_calrissian :)
[06:05] <kkathman> hope you have many hours of goodness!
[06:05] <aj_calrissian> oh yeah.
[06:05] <aj_calrissian> right now I'm just waiting for Kynaptic to finish updating everything
[06:05] <aj_calrissian> then I'll venture into Apache Land
[06:06] <kkathman> great!
[06:06] <aj_calrissian> yeah
[06:06] <aj_calrissian> I was having a problem earlier when I was trying to use Kynaptic to install apache, but I'm thinking perhaps I needed these upgrades
[06:07] <aj_calrissian> at any rate I'll know in a bit once the upgrade is done
[06:08] <kkathman> great
[06:08] <aj_calrissian> btw, why would i be getting a "disk full" error when I try and add a line to sources.list?
[06:09] <kkathman> hmmm odd
[06:10] <aj_calrissian> I think i was trying to add the line for the KDE 3.5 url but it gave me an error each time
[06:10] <aj_calrissian> let me find the url I was trying and see if I can recreate it for you
[06:10] <kkathman> hmm.. how are you on disk space, just for kicks?
[06:10] <aj_calrissian> so I can get the exact error message
[06:10] <kkathman> it could be a coincidence message
[06:10] <aj_calrissian> well I should be fine. I have an 80GB drive
[06:11] <aj_calrissian> but then again it may not have setup my partitions correctly
[06:11] <kkathman> hmm thats what I would look at
[06:12] <aj_calrissian> not sure though. I have three HD icons on my desktop, the first one says 77G Media and it is node /dev/hdc1
[06:12] <aj_calrissian> the second is 1.0k media node /dev/hdc2
[06:12] <Hobbsee> aj_calrissian: try df -h -T and paste the output to pastebin
[06:12] <kkathman> hmm
[06:12] <Hobbsee> that'll tell you how much space you have
[06:12] <aj_calrissian> k
[06:13] <aj_calrissian> in Konsole?
[06:13] <kkathman> im sorry someone else will be helping you now aj_calrissian
[06:13] <Hobbsee> aj_calrissian: yes
[06:13] <aj_calrissian> df -h -t
[06:13] <Hobbsee> df -h -T
[06:13] <aj_calrissian> thats ok, thanks for the help kkathman
[06:13] <aj_calrissian> ahh
[06:13] <robotgeek> hey seth_k Hobbsee
[06:13] <Hobbsee> hey robotgeek
[06:13] <aj_calrissian> Filesystem    Type    Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
[06:13] <seth_k> hi robotgeek
[06:13] <aj_calrissian> /dev/hdc1     ext3     71G  2.6G   65G   4% /
[06:13] <aj_calrissian> tmpfs        tmpfs    507M     0  507M   0% /dev/shm
[06:14] <aj_calrissian> /dev       unknown     71G  2.6G   65G   4% /.dev
[06:14] <aj_calrissian> none         tmpfs    5.0M  2.8M  2.3M  55% /dev
[06:14] <nalioth_zZz> aj_calrissian: please use a pastebin or #flood
[06:14] <Tm_T> hullo all
[06:14] <aj_calrissian> #flood Filesystem    Type    Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
[06:14] <aj_calrissian> /dev/hdc1     ext3     71G  2.6G   65G   4% /
[06:14] <seth_k> hey hey Tm_T
[06:14] <aj_calrissian> tmpfs        tmpfs    507M     0  507M   0% /dev/shm
[06:14] <aj_calrissian> /dev       unknown     71G  2.6G   65G   4% /.dev
[06:14] <aj_calrissian> none         tmpfs    5.0M  2.8M  2.3M  55% /dev
[06:14] <robotgeek> aj_calrissian: use the pastebin
[06:14] <seth_k> aj_calrissian, in the future please use http://kubuntu.pastebin.com or #flood
[06:15] <nalioth_zZz> aj_calrissian: #flood is a channel you join, to paste into
[06:15] <aj_calrissian> ic
[06:15] <nalioth_zZz> aj_calrissian: all channels on irc are prefaced with #
[06:15] <aj_calrissian> didn't know
[06:15] <seth_k> no problem
[06:15] <aj_calrissian> ok I think it's there
[06:16] <aj_calrissian> but not sure
[06:16] <Hobbsee> looks like you have plenty of space...
[06:16] <aj_calrissian> did the flood work?
[06:17] <zsarker> HOW TO INSTALL FIREFOX IN KUBUNTU?
[06:17] <chaoticgeek> CAPS DONT GET YOU ANSWERS!!!!
[06:17] <crimsun> 0.o
[06:17] <crimsun> zsarker: sudo aptitude install firefox
[06:18] <seth_k> hi zsarker, just open Adept and choose Firefox, if you've enabled the repos already
[06:18] <seth_k> chaoticgeek, um
[06:18] <seth_k> that's not really necessary imo
[06:19] <zsarker> sorry, how to open Adept
[06:19] <zsarker> I am new in Kubuntu, sorry
[06:19] <seth_k> zsarker, K Menu > System > Adept Package Manager
[06:19] <chaoticgeek> kmenu > system >adept
[06:19] <seth_k> no problem :)
[06:19] <zsarker> thanks
[06:20] <aj_calrissian> Hobbsee I recreated my error, it says "The document could not be saved, as it was not possible to write to file:///etc/apt/sources.list."
[06:20] <Hobbsee> hwo did you try to open /etc/apt/sources.list?
[06:20] <aj_calrissian> was that too much to paste here? or did it need to be in flood?
[06:20] <Hobbsee> aj_calrissian: no, that's fine
[06:20] <aj_calrissian> k
[06:20] <nalioth_zZz> aj_calrissian: you need to open it with superuser priveledges. use "kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list"
[06:20] <aj_calrissian> I think it's using Konquoer
[06:21] <aj_calrissian> in konsole again?
[06:21] <nalioth_zZz> aj_calrissian: yes in console
[06:22] <aj_calrissian> bingo
[06:22] <aj_calrissian> thankgs Nalioth
[06:22] <aj_calrissian> now that should give me the option to d/l stuff from there in Kynaptic correct?
[06:23] <nalioth_zZz> aj_calrissian: yes, after you update your apt-get
[06:23] <aj_calrissian> k
[06:25] <aj_calrissian> pardon the question again, but when I sent that info to #flood did you guys see it?
[06:25] <aj_calrissian> cause i don't see anything there
[06:27] <pwolfe> quick question as i'm having trouble installing the newest nvidia drivers.  if I'm using kernel 2.6.12-10-amd64-generic, what do I need to install from adept to have my kernel source installed?
[06:27] <pwolfe> keeps failing saying that I dont have the correct version installed
[06:27] <zsarker> Thank you all very much for your help
[06:27] <zsarker> with FIrefox
[06:28] <zsarker> It's really very nice to know how to install
[06:28] <seth_k> there's tons of software available for your use in Adept :)
[06:28] <seth_k> it's fun to just look through sometimes
[06:30] <aj_calrissian> well all, thanks for your help. I appreciate it
[06:30] <aj_calrissian> but now I have to go
[06:31] <aj_calrissian> I'll be back though, from time to time
[06:31] <aj_calrissian> until I get this stuff down
[06:31] <aj_calrissian> then I suppose i'll be back to help! :P
[06:31] <nalioth_zZz> aj_calrissian: you dont have to wait to help
[06:31] <aj_calrissian> I know,
[06:32] <aj_calrissian> but I gotta know a little more than i do to be of any real help
[06:32] <aj_calrissian> well, nnight all
[06:37] <digits> Is it a known fact that Krita and kopete is totally unstable on AMD64?
[06:40] <Tm_T> digits: not that I know
[07:44] <PaloDeQueso> Would someone be able to look at my log.smbmount?
[07:44] <PaloDeQueso> http://rafb.net/paste/results/mA2OLT54.html
[07:44] <BigKahuna> I'm using a moodin KDM theme and was wondering if it would be possible to hack in a sound effect. Basically I want my KDE start-up sound to play as soon as my password has been accpeted as opposed to when KDE loads
[07:59] <rev> i have an "adinistrator mode" prob
[08:00] <rev> i put in pw and it pauses and then back to restricked mode
[08:01] <Insomniac-> rev: what happens when you try to use sudo in a console?
[08:01] <rev> it works fine
[08:02] <sampan> rev, that's a known bug in fresh breezy kubuntu installs
[08:02] <rev> what i do about it?
[08:02] <sampan> update your system (via adept-updater or apt-get) and it should be fixed
[08:02] <rev> hmm
[08:03] <sampan> it happened to a bunch of us first week of release, but it was fixed in updates a week or two after breezy was released.
[08:04] <rev> i just sudo apt-get update ad still same thing
[08:04] <sampan> that just updates the repo lists -- use sudo adept-updater
[08:05] <rev> ooh. lots of things happening now
[08:05] <sampan> :D
[08:05] <rev> thanks
[08:05] <sampan> sure -- i remember how frustrated that bug had me ;)
[08:06] <sampan> couldn't even change my clock!  i was pulling my hair out
[08:06] <bob_4_a_day> rev what was the cure ?
[08:06] <rev> it's still dowlloading
[08:10] <rev> wow. big update
[08:10] <rev> wow. even kernal update
[08:11] <rev> it worked!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11
[08:11] <rev> weeeee
[08:12] <rev> thanks sampan
[08:12] <sampan> sure :)  just passing the joy along
[08:12] <rev> i now have controll
[08:13] <rev> bwahahahaha
[08:13] <rev> samba here i come
[08:52] <Insomniac-> odd... amarok seems to have crashed while i was afk but no error is displayed
[08:55] <thegladiator> hi kubuntu :)
[08:55] <thegladiator> i am running fc4 , is there any way i can get kubntu theme for my kde ?
[08:55] <Tm_T> kubuntu theme?
[08:55] <thegladiator> yes
[08:55] <Tm_T> what exactly you mean?
[08:55] <thegladiator> so that it looks like kubntu
[08:55] <thegladiator> i am running fc4
[08:56] <Tm_T> err, so all you need is background?
[08:56] <thegladiator> but i need to get the look of kubuntu nope
[08:56] <thegladiator> the full theme
[08:56] <Tm_T> there's no special theme for Kubuntu
[08:56] <thegladiator> like say the windows everything i see
[08:56] <thegladiator> it uses kde plastik ?
[08:56] <Tm_T> that's basic KDE
[08:56] <Tm_T> yes
[08:56] <thegladiator> is there a theme hat is absed on ubntu / kubuntu -> that brown looks ?
[08:57] <thegladiator> i like that brown looks
[08:57] <Tm_T> hmm, my Kubuntu has never been brown
[08:57] <thegladiator> i see
[08:57] <thegladiator> ubntu is brown
[08:57] <Tm_T> ubuntu is brown (like gnome) and Kubuntu is blue (like KDE)
[08:57] <Tm_T> atleast this is how I see it
[08:58] <thegladiator> ah
[08:58] <thegladiator> i see
[08:59] <rev> same here
[08:59] <thegladiator> that brown theme for gnome is superb ; if only we had any equivalent for kde :)
[08:59] <Tm_T> the I think we do
[08:59] <thegladiator> there is a brown theme u mean ?
[08:59] <thegladiator> can u help me find out ?
[09:00] <thegladiator> i have my gnome on ubntu brown and thats perfect
[09:00] <Tm_T> oh, you can just set your KDE to use brown colour for a start
[09:00] <thegladiator> wait i will show u  s snapshort
[09:00] <Tm_T> I know how Gnome looks like ;)
[09:00] <rev> me too. and i don't like it
[09:00] <rev> or gnome
[09:01] <thegladiator> nah :) this is my fc4 configured like ubntu :)
[09:01] <thegladiator> just see
[09:01] <rev> ok
[09:01] <thegladiator> http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/4382/screenshot9ge.png
[09:01] <Tm_T> http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=25711
[09:01] <Tm_T> that's greenish one, but artnay thought he will do brown version from that
[09:01] <rev> seems kinda close
[09:02] <chaoticgeek> woot
[09:02] <rev> nice settings btw
[09:02] <thegladiator> yeah i was wondering if i can get that looks for my kde
[09:02] <thegladiator> that brownish color
[09:02] <thegladiator> amazing
[09:02] <chaoticgeek> I kinda did a script for (k)ubuntu to install restricted formats
[09:02] <Tm_T> http://www.kapsi.fi/~tm_travolta/kuvat/temp/foo/foo_093.png
[09:02] <Tm_T> chaoticgeek: ah?
[09:02] <chaoticgeek> only works on 5.10 x86 though
[09:03] <Tm_T> that's how my desktop looks now, but I have to find better background
[09:03] <chaoticgeek> but I'm happy I was able to do that by my self
[09:03] <Tm_T> chaoticgeek: heh, I have several scripts that does work only in my pc ;)
[09:04] <rev> nie desktops guys'
[09:04] <thegladiator> nice one
[09:04] <chaoticgeek> this i my first script, and its just all the commands to get the restricted formats, mplayer, dvd playback, java, and flash working
[09:04] <thegladiator> but i am looking for brwon :)
[09:04] <chaoticgeek> so I just copyed and pasted lines of commands
[09:04] <thegladiator> just fell inlove with ubuntu
[09:05] <cemoi> hello
[09:05] <chaoticgeek> I try and tweak stuff too much so I can screw stuff up really quickly and have to reinstall so I want something like this
[09:06] <thegladiator> so kubuntu also have free cd's ?
[09:06] <pwolfe> anyone here good with nvidia drivers on amd64?  im new to 64 and having some..issues
[09:06] <cemoi> mmm i'm french and i don't speak english...... :(
[09:06] <thegladiator> or is it an offshoot of ub ?
[09:06] <chaoticgeek> next release there will be shipit
[09:06] <chaoticgeek> french!
[09:06] <thegladiator> woah
[09:06] <chaoticgeek> I speak a lil french
[09:06] <chaoticgeek> but not much
[09:06] <cemoi>  oui
[09:07] <chaoticgeek> oui
[09:07] <thegladiator> cemoi, oh :( u need english language most of the places
[09:07] <cemoi> t speak spanish tan bien
[09:07] <Tm_T> cemoi: if you just can, use english
[09:07] <thegladiator> english is currently the universal lang :)
[09:07] <rev> rofl
[09:08] <cemoi> yes but i don(t use it evry day........
[09:08] <rev> you should
[09:08] <chaoticgeek> cemoi: join #ubuntu-fr its the french channel of ubuntu I belive
[09:08] <rev> get better at it
[09:08] <Tm_T> cemoi:  #kubuntu-fr if you like to use only french
[09:08] <Tm_T> chaoticgeek: K! ;)
[09:08] <cemoi> mmm ok
[09:08] <Tm_T> cemoi: but, welcome here too
[09:08] <chaoticgeek> the ubuntu one has a bit more people too
[09:08] <thegladiator> what is kde version of kubz ?
[09:09] <cemoi> thank's a lot :D
[09:09] <Tm_T> thegladiator: 3.4.3 and 3.5.0
[09:09] <Tm_T> cemoi: np :)
[09:09] <thegladiator> i see
[09:09] <thegladiator> nonw has 4.0 ?
[09:09] <thegladiator> i mean no distros ?
[09:09] <cemoi> by by and phank you very much ;)
[09:09] <thegladiator> i havent seen any distros with 4.x
[09:09] <rev> thers nobody there
[09:09] <seth_k> cemoi, je suis en train d'ecrire un redaction pour ma classe de francais... vous pouvez l'ecrire pour moi :D
[09:09] <Tm_T> thegladiator: well, 4.0 will be released in some future
[09:10] <Tm_T> thegladiator: it's hard to distribute something what doesn't exist yet
[09:10] <thegladiator> i see
[09:10] <thegladiator> kde looks already has
[09:10] <thegladiator> themes for 4.x it seems
[09:10] <thegladiator> that is why i asked
[09:10] <Tm_T> aah
[09:10] <thegladiator> lol :)
[09:10] <Tm_T> kde4 is under development
[09:10] <Tm_T> heavy one
[09:11] <thegladiator> ah
[09:11] <Tm_T> unusable to users
[09:11] <cemoi> une redaction de quelle type
[09:11] <Tm_T> thegladiator: ask again in next december
[09:11] <Tm_T> ;)
[09:11] <chaoticgeek> wonder when konqueror is going to support .svg files
[09:12] <seth_k> de _La Porte Etroite_, par Gide :)
[09:12] <thegladiator> heh:)
[09:12] <Tm_T> chaoticgeek: does already I think
[09:12] <Tm_T> actually, I'm not sure
[09:13] <Tm_T> chaoticgeek: can you give an url to svg pic?
[09:13] <cemoi> je peux toujours te donner un coup de main icic if you want
[09:13] <Tm_T> or page that contains it
[09:14] <seth_k> cemoi, hehe, it's ok :) je vous plaisante
[09:14] <cemoi> :)
[09:14] <cemoi> ^_^
[09:15] <seth_k> ok, bedtime, have a good night everybody
[09:15] <Tm_T> good night seth_k|away
[09:25] <kosh> konqueror has supported svg for over a year
[09:26] <kosh> although animation stuff it still crashes on
[09:26] <Tm_T> kosh: I thought so
[09:27] <kosh> Tm_T: not all the time but most of the time
[09:27] <kosh> Tm_T: at least on the w3c test suite it still crashes
[09:28] <digits> can i do a "downgrade" from amd64 to x86 without having to to a complete reinstall?
[09:29] <kosh> probably depends on how good you are at it, I managed to switch from sid to kubuntu yesterday without doing a reinstall
[09:29] <digits> ok
[09:30] <kosh> I won't recommend it though
[09:31] <kosh> if I was doing it I would just backup my data and try it though just for the fun of doing it :)
[09:40] <digits> kosh: my idea, just wanted to check if it was possible first ;P
[09:41] <kosh> digits: best way to find out if it is possible is to try it
[09:41] <digits> kosh: never used a debian based system before though... (*bsd, slackware and gentoo)
[09:41] <kosh> digits: someone told me that I could not switch from debian sid to kunbutu also but that was not right
[09:42] <digits> kosh: hehe
[09:42] <kosh> I had to resolve a lot of things manually but it did work fine
[09:42] <digits> ok
[09:42] <kosh> and I did not force even one package during the whole process
[09:43] <digits> going to be interresting
[09:47] <Azertyuuu> hey all, i read somewheer that initNG  shortens  the reboottime
[09:51] <Azertyuuu> hey all, i read somewheer that initNG  shortens  the reboottime, is that true ? and where can ifind that
[10:11] <thesamet> i am working on a (python) script inside vim. is there an easy way to execute the script (in a new window), in a way that will:
[10:11] <thesamet> a. kill the previous instance of the script, if it is already running
[10:12] <thesamet> b. will allow me to continue editing my script
[10:12] <thesamet> ?
[10:12] <ClayG> how do i disbale graphical login?
[10:12] <thesamet> sorry... sent to wrong channel... :)
[10:15] <thesamet> clayg: go to Menu-->System Settings -->System Services, and disable gdm and kdm in boot time.
[10:15] <ClayG> how is it done in console?
[10:16] <ClayG> I'm ssh'ing into it but I can pull xapps
[10:16] <ClayG> I can use gksudo services-admin
[10:17] <ClayG> it looks like but I also would like to know a strictly cli way of doing it
[10:17] <thesamet> clayg: I once deleted the symbolic links from /etc/rc?.d   but I am not sure this was the Right way.
[10:18] <Insomniac-> that's probably exactly what the gui tools do
[11:02] <_antonio> ciao c' qualcuno che puo' aiutarmi con kpppd?
[11:02] <hussam> I've been using spammassassin in kmail for a couple of mounths now, but it hardly detects 1 out of 50 spam emails. is there any better solution?
[12:49] <brosiooz> a repository with java 1.5 for ubuntu ?
[12:51] <freelove> brosiooz: the antesis one has it i guess............
[12:54] <manveru> !java
[12:54] <manveru> hmm, where is ubotu?
[12:54] <libbn> good Q
[12:55] <libbn> hmm, where should i put my own theme file? in firefox folder? should i create a theme folder and it will popup in themes menu?
[12:59] <curuxz> goodmorning
[12:59] <freelove> goodmorning
[12:59] <freelove> here its evening:)
[12:59] <curuxz> how are you freelove?
[12:59] <freelove> curuxz: im fine thx
[12:59] <curuxz> here its just gone lunuch :)
[01:00] <freelove> where ya from?
[01:00] <curuxz> UK
[01:00] <curuxz> you?
[01:02] <freelove> india:D
[01:03] <curuxz> you like kubuntu?
[01:03] <freelove> curuxz: of course and not at all!:)
[01:04] <freelove> curuxz: means i'd love to use it.but just now i did clean install.and i cant get to kdm..it stops at console mode.....
[01:05] <curuxz> :S oh dear
[01:05] <freelove> i dont know why.but atleat for me.kubu breezy is far too problematic..hoary was better i guess...
[01:05] <curuxz> you on a text based IRC client then?
[01:05] <curuxz> I always install ubuntu, then add kde later, never get any problems that way around
[01:05] <freelove> but again thats just my luck....a lot of kubuntu users never had probs lke mine...
[01:06] <freelove> curuxz: u are absolutely correct.i did the same.....and things were fine.but the moment i did clean install.things went wild..
[01:06] <curuxz> yea its machine specific alot of the time
[01:07] <freelove> i guess they put mote attn to ubuntu than kubuntu:(   but i hope this changes with dapper:).really looking forward to it......
[01:07] <freelove> curuxz: have u upgraded to kde 3.5?
[01:08] <curuxz> erm not sure
[01:08] <curuxz> one sec and i will find out
[01:08] <curuxz> 3.4.3 :(
[01:08] <curuxz> its 3.5 in the repos yet?
[01:10] <freelove> curuxz: ya....http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-35.php
[01:10] <curuxz> thanks :D
[01:11] <curuxz> is it any better?
[01:11] <freelove> curuxz: but i came across a weird things in 3.5, i dont see any storage media like my other partitions........
[01:11] <freelove> curuxz: but its faster, with new features, AND kopete now lets u see webcams! yohooooooooooooooooo!!
[01:12] <curuxz> coolio
[01:13] <freelove> but make sure u install a few jasper libraries.or u wont be able to see webcams:)
[01:14] <hussam> freelove: how stable is kde 3.5?
[01:14] <bdmp> I was using firefox and I wrote a long letter and when I hit send the website said "we are down for mantenience" and I lost my letter. Any one know any tricks to get my letter back?
[01:15] <manveru> hussam: pretty stable for me
[01:15] <manveru> bdmp: there is no way
[01:15] <curuxz> bdmp sorry no, the best way is when doing long inputs on sites is to save a copy before sending incase of that
[01:16] <manveru> bdmp: but don't worry... i guess we all made this mistake once... (or twice, or thrice...)
[01:16] <freelove> hussam: so far its been running smoothly:D..definitely worth trying.
[01:16] <curuxz> doing the upgrade now :D
[01:16] <freelove> i had thought all of u wud have upgraded to 3.5 by now!
[01:17] <curuxz> not sure i can do it with out a reboot though
[01:17] <curuxz> nah i work from my pc so i need it stable :)
[01:17] <freelove> ya a reboot is recommended:)...........but it quite stable imo
[01:17] <manveru> curuxz: i have less crashes with 3.5 than i had with 3.4
[01:17] <freelove> very true:D
[01:17] <manveru> curuxz: and you don't have to reboot
[01:17] <aitor> hi
[01:18] <manveru> curuxz: the only time you have to do that is installing of a new kernel
[01:18] <aitor> can any of you help me with my /etc/network/interfaces configuration for a wireless network with wep?
[01:18] <freelove> manveru: i had to face some weirdness.which went away on reboot...
[01:19] <freelove> hey i love edubuntu too:)......nice icons & wallpaper.........
[01:19] <curuxz> ah rite good good then
[01:19] <aitor> is this ok? should the wless card work at system startup?
[01:20] <aitor> auto wlan0
[01:20] <aitor> iface wlan0 inet dhcp
[01:20] <aitor> wireless-essid Comtrend
[01:20] <aitor> wireless-key1 AAAAAAAAAA
[01:20] <aitor> wireless-key2 BBBBBBBBBB
[01:20] <aitor> wireless-defaultkey 1
[01:20] <aitor> first key is sure to work but only works if I do a iwconfig
[01:20] <freelove> !sources
[01:20] <manveru> aitor: please use http://rafb.net/paste next time
[01:20] <aitor> sorry manveru, did not know it
[01:20] <aitor> sorry
[01:21] <freelove> its ok aitor:D
[01:21] <manveru> no problem - it's only an advice almost everyone here gets :)
[01:21] <freelove> i got it the hard way once;)
[01:21] <aitor> ;)
[01:22] <aitor> so, I'll paste it there then
[01:22] <manveru> we've got it in here already
[01:22] <freelove> yes.and then give us the link.
[01:22] <manveru> nalioth: hey :)
[01:22] <nalioth> howdy
[01:22] <freelove> hi nalioth
[01:23] <nalioth> hi y'all. i'm at the office now
[01:23] <aitor> http://rafb.net/paste/results/iFCvpb78.html
[01:23] <aitor> this config does not work well at system startup, but if a do iwconfig wlan0 essid Comtrend key {the_first_key_here
[01:23] <aitor> }
[01:24] <aitor> it works
[01:24] <manveru> aitor: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WiFiHowto?highlight=%28wifi%29
[01:24] <aitor> it's puzzling me as this is the first time a ever use a wireless network
[01:24] <aitor> ok, manveru, I'll take a look
[01:24] <aitor> thanks
[01:24] <manveru> tell me if that helps yu
[01:24] <manveru> +o
[01:25] <freelove> hey check out this cute ubuntu wallpaper http://ubuntuforums.org/gallery/files/4/6/2/5/7/ubuntu_winter_tux_hat_original.png
[01:28] <manveru> freelove: ty, now i've got a new wallpaper ^^
[01:28] <ninHer> hi all
[01:28] <freelove> manveru: my pleasure:)
[01:29] <glian> hi
[01:29] <curuxz> hi glian
[01:29] <manveru> freelove: we really need a wallpaper-page for linux... something easier to browse than kde-look.org
[01:30] <glian> i just switched from u to k, i must say that i have a good choice made
[01:30] <curuxz> kde is much nicer i think
[01:30] <curuxz> esp with dual screen setups, like i have
[01:30] <glian> right
[01:30] <freelove> glian: long live kubuntu!
[01:30] <glian> more stable
[01:30] <freelove> manveru: that was from gnome-look.org
[01:30] <Rogue_Jedi_X> I don't suppose anyone here has experience with compiling quake2forge?
[01:31] <freelove> Rogue_Jedi_X: but ive installed & run quake2:D
[01:31] <curuxz> brb
[01:31] <Rogue_Jedi_X> freelove: Yeah, me too. But I really want to get q2forge working. Better sound support and all
[01:32] <freelove> i see...
[01:32] <manveru> Rogue_Jedi_X: and where's the problem?
[01:32] <Rogue_Jedi_X> I get crackling sounds with icculus' installer
[01:32] <Rogue_Jedi_X> manveru: Gimme a sec
[01:33] <manveru> in case you want to paste - use http://rafb.net/paste
[01:33] <freelove> ;D
[01:33] <freelove> or www.pastebin.com :)
[01:33] <aitor> manveru, it won't work :S
[01:33] <Rogue_Jedi_X> manveru: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/458283
[01:33] <manveru> thx :)
[01:34] <Rogue_Jedi_X> No worries. I've read the topic ;)
[01:34] <manveru> ok...
[01:34] <manveru> i had this error myself once
[01:34] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Hope the story has a happy ending
[01:35] <manveru> i checked back to the gentoo-people then - because they know everything about compiling :)
[01:35] <freelove> like beauty & the beast;)
[01:35] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Yeah, they should :P
[01:35] <Rogue_Jedi_X> So what did they say?
[01:35] <manveru> it was some option i had to change in the configure-script
[01:36] <manveru> but i have no idea what it was...
[01:36] <manveru> something that warnings are not handled as errors
[01:36] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Joy
[01:36] <Rogue_Jedi_X> I hoped I was just missing a package
[01:36] <manveru> please go to #gentoo and hole them with your questions :)
[01:36] <Rogue_Jedi_X> That cc1 line is the problem, then
[01:36] <manveru> exactly
[01:36] <Rogue_Jedi_X> manveru: Will do, thanks
[01:39] <curuxz> ok a reboot was needed because it was doing odd things like not showing windows etc
[01:39] <curuxz> but i have to say i like :D, looks good and is far more responsive
[01:39] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Looks like I won't have to bother anyone. There's a neat little configure parameter that I have to add. make clean first, though.
[01:40] <curuxz> OMG KDE 3.5 F$%$%$ RULES!!!
[01:40] <curuxz> it knows i have 2 screens and i can now do settings for each from within xwindows
[01:40] <curuxz> in almost 7 years of linux use i have never seen anything close to that
[01:40] <manveru> Rogue_Jedi_X: good to hear :)
[01:41] <manveru> curuxz: you've been on kde1 too? ^^
[01:41] <curuxz> dont know
[01:41] <curuxz> may have
[01:41] <manveru> it's been some time
[01:42] <curuxz> at last kde is adding usefull features
[01:42] <curuxz> i love the new version thanks for suggestiong upgrade :D
[01:42] <manveru> hehe :)
[01:42] <manveru> 3.5 rocks... but still i'm waiting for 4.0 ^^;;
[01:43] <curuxz> lol im still waiting for 5.0
[01:43] <curuxz> :P
[01:43] <manveru> however, i need to do something productive now
[01:43] <Chousuke> I'm waiting for 4.0 too ;P
[01:43] <manveru> cu later lads
[01:43] <curuxz> c ya :)
[01:43] <Chousuke> Never really used KDE. ;P
[01:44] <curuxz> lol
[01:44] <Chousuke> But I've promised no-one in particular that I'll give 4.0 a shot.
[01:44] <curuxz> kde 3.5 is realy giving windows a run for its money they have made it so much more user friendly i have only been on it for about 5 mins and i can already see a load of cool new stuff
[01:44] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Did anyone check out the Oxygen icons for KDE4? They look sweet
[01:45] <Chousuke> curuxz: Windows was way behind earlier versions too ;P
[01:45] <Chousuke> Well, I guess I can only say that of gnome.
[01:45] <curuxz> oh on most i would agree, but a few features kde was still a bit pro'ish i think they have gone back and made it easyer on the basic stuff
[01:46] <Chousuke> Haven't they promised to make KDE4 more lightweight?
[01:46] <Rogue_Jedi_X> They did?
[01:46] <curuxz> duno how they can
[01:47] <curuxz> its suposed to be more flashy than most
[01:47] <Chousuke> It's not impossible.
[01:47] <Chousuke> as long as you can turn off the candy
[01:47] <curuxz> maybe the default will be
[01:47] <curuxz> but once you turn on all the cool stuff it will be big again, its just a modern gui they have to be
[01:47] <Rogue_Jedi_X> I dunno. When people want lightweight window managers they usually opt for Xfce and such
[01:48] <curuxz> aye
[01:48] <Chousuke> KDE isn't a window manager
[01:48] <manveru> e17!
[01:48] <Chousuke> kwin is
[01:48] <curuxz> kde and gnome are always going to be the big nice looking ones
[01:48] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Sorry
[01:48] <Chousuke> it's not all about the window managers :)
[01:48] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Get those mixed up sometimes
[01:48] <Chousuke> curuxz:you don't have to look bad to be lightweight.
[01:48] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Window Managers and Desktop Environments that is
[01:49] <Chousuke> of course candy adds some weight.
[01:49] <Chousuke> but as long as you can turn it off it doesn't matter.
[01:49] <curuxz> lol chou maybe not, but in general there is a trend to be small and look bad
[01:49] <Chousuke> fltk?
[01:49] <curuxz> or in windows case to be massive but look terible, the exeption that proves the rule :P
[01:49] <Chousuke> :D
[01:49] <ascay> i've got a little problem after upgrading kubuntu to kde 3.5. if i activate "align on grid" for desktop icons i can't put icons on the second screen (xinerama) anymore. has anyone an idea how to solve this?
[01:50] <Chousuke> w2k actually looks nice.
[01:50] <Chousuke> not flashy, but usable
[01:50] <curuxz> 2 secs ascay i will see if that happens on mine :)
[01:50] <curuxz> nope worked fine im afraid
[01:51] <Rogue_Jedi_X> manveru: Is E17 stable yet?
[01:51] <curuxz> if you auto align them to the left or something then they will all jump over untill the first screen is full
[01:51] <manveru> Rogue_Jedi_X: i run it since days... it's pretty much stable
[01:52] <Rogue_Jedi_X> manveru: Cool. It looks fancy
[01:52] <manveru> Rogue_Jedi_X: but only when you install it correctly... it's still a pain in combination with ubuntu
[01:52] <ascay> curuxz: no alignment active, i can place them on my main monitor wherever i want
[01:52] <Rogue_Jedi_X> manveru: How come?
[01:52] <manveru> Rogue_Jedi_X: be sure to try elive some day
[01:52] <manveru> Rogue_Jedi_X: oh, different compiler-versions - i would have to compile it myself, but no time for doing that
[01:53] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Ouch.
[01:53] <manveru> Rogue_Jedi_X: so my laptop is running on e17 and my working-desktop is kde3.5
[01:54] <curuxz> thats odd ascay, try restarting :S maybe a buffer has seized if you aint already...
[01:54] <Rogue_Jedi_X> manveru: Spiffy. Do you have Entrance installed too?
[01:54] <manveru> Rogue_Jedi_X: of course :)
[01:54] <ascay> curuxz: if i deactivate the grid alignment, my problem is gone btw
[01:54] <Rogue_Jedi_X> manveru: So what does that look like? I think that's the only part of E that I haven't seen a screenshot of.
[01:54] <manveru> Rogue_Jedi_X: wait a second, i'll make one
[01:55] <curuxz> thats so strange, i upgraded to 3.5 about 15 minutes ago and my dual screens are running better than ever!
[01:55] <manveru> Rogue_Jedi_X: just gimme a minute - need some coffee first
[01:55] <curuxz> sorry i cant be of more help but without the problem my self i cant look for a fix
[01:55] <Rogue_Jedi_X> manveru: Sure, sure. No rush :9
[01:56] <ascay> yep, there are very nice new xinerama features. it's the best multimonitoring experience ever. i really miss it if i'm working with other os
[01:56] <curuxz> other os?
[01:56] <curuxz> TRAITOR!!
[01:56] <curuxz> ;) J/k
[01:57] <ascay> winxp and macosx, sorry :)
[01:57] <curuxz> hahaha, im just messin :D
[01:57] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Hey, sweet. Quake2forge finished compiling
[01:57] <curuxz> we all use what we need to get the job done
[01:58] <curuxz> i run a business and there is no money in a tiny company like mine to pay for windows or mac os, so i use linux because it keeps my systems legal and free. Oh and i prefer linux a million times more than any other system because of all the advantages in speed and security
[02:01] <ascay> me too, linux at home and windows/osx at work. all with two monitors. linux+kde+xinerama is just great, windows is ok if the graphics card has good drivers and osx is terrible with multimonitoring.
[02:02] <curuxz> never used osx, only the ones before it but apparently its totaly diffrent now
[02:03] <Rogue_Jedi_X> I hope I get to at least try it out once, see what all the fuss is about
[02:05] <curuxz> personaly im more at home with linux than anyother system because i know my way around it so well
[02:05] <curuxz> its like a cluttered house, only i know where to find the good things ;)
[02:05] <ascay> yeah, osx is not bad, os9 was terrible (bad multitasking, bad memory management, very unstable). but for me osx is to less configurable. that's why i love kde so much.
[02:08] <ascay> hm... my icon/grid problem seems to be a bug... found it several times on mailing lists, bugtrackers etc
[02:10] <curuxz> that would explain things
[02:10] <curuxz> tryed pressing ctl-alt-backspace
[02:10] <_raptor> kann mir mal eben jemand helfen
[02:10] <curuxz> should reboot X only and clean it out i think
[02:11] <_raptor> i need german help for kubuntu linux
[02:11] <Rogue_Jedi_X> _raptor: Try #kubuntu-de
[02:11] <curuxz> sorry no can do
[02:12] <_raptor> thx
[02:13] <curuxz> its a bit slow in here today eh
[02:14] <Kamping_Kaiser> i should be helping out more
[02:14] <Kamping_Kaiser> while since i have in any serious way
[02:14] <curuxz> helping with what?
[02:14] <Kamping_Kaiser> in the channel
[02:14] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi mrmarcel
[02:14] <mrmarcel> hi Kamping_Kaiser
[02:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[02:15] <curuxz> :)
[02:15] <manveru> Rogue_Jedi_X: ok, made a bunch of screenshots... uploading them now
[02:15] <mrmarcel> :)
[02:15] <curuxz> kontact wont start now i have 3.5
[02:15] <curuxz> :(
[02:16] <Kamping_Kaiser> :(
[02:16] <Rogue_Jedi_X> manveru: Awesome, thanks
[02:18] <os2mac> did anyone see my last question?
[02:19] <curuxz> no
[02:19] <ascay> curuxz: i had the kontact problem too. uninstalled it, installed it, problem gone. apt-get upgrade alone didn't help before.
[02:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> i cant see it
[02:19] <curuxz> ah great thanks i will try that :)
[02:19] <curuxz> just kontact or its related apps as well?
[02:20] <os2mac> let's say i want to beta dapper.... do I replace breezy with dapper in sources.list or add it......
[02:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> os2mac: replace it
[02:20] <curuxz> i think there is an iso somewhere for it os2mac
[02:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> there is 'flight one', but imo just dist-upgrade off the net
[02:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> save updating as soon as you finish the iso
[02:21] <curuxz> how do we upgrade to dap?
[02:21] <os2mac> curuxz I am already running Kubuntu....
[02:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> curuxz: replace hoary/Breezy with dapper in your soruces list
[02:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> then `sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade`
[02:22] <crimsun> you might wish to know that Dapper can still be highly problematic due to kernel and udev flux, but it's much better than it was last week.
[02:22] <crimsun> absolutely do NOT dist-upgrade to Dapper on mission-critical machines.
[02:22] <ascay> curuxz: i selected only kontact. adept deinstalled some more (kpilot e.g.) automatically.
[02:22] <curuxz> kk i will try :)
[02:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> i should second what crimsun says btw, don't use dapper unless you can afford to break :)
[02:24] <curuxz> i cant aford a break :(
[02:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> don't play with fire :)
[02:24] <curuxz> but when i say i will try im not talking about dap im talking about a resinstall of kontact because i need that
[02:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> curuxz: oh, ok
[02:25] <DesExMachina> hi leute
[02:25] <DesExMachina> kann mir jemand sagen wie ich im kubuntu
[02:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi
[02:25] <curuxz> i cant wait for dap stable to come out though
[02:25] <curuxz> would love to see what all the buzz is about
[02:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> !de
[02:25] <DesExMachina> den flashplayer fr den konquerer installieren kann
[02:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> hm. DesExMachina try Kubuntu-de
[02:25] <DesExMachina> oh ok
[02:26] <Rogue_Jedi_X> manveru: Entrance looks very slick. Just one question, though. How does it handle multiple users?
[02:26] <Kamping_Kaiser> curuxz: there are 3.5 repo's but, i don't know about using it (see topic)
[02:30] <os2mac> ok so how do I tell it worked?
[02:30] <DesExMachina> can someone please help me how I can install the flash plugin for the konquerer browser
[02:32] <DesExMachina> hello?
[02:32] <BlueDevil> DesExMachina: install it for firefox, then go to configure konqueror and click "search for plugins"
[02:33] <_sebastian> Hi
[02:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi :)
[02:34] <DesExMachina> ok thanks
[02:34] <_sebastian> got rid of previous version of Ubuntu.  and put on latest the other day. and a laod of software.  includling Konversation.  which I used to connect to this.  So I assume this some IRC chat program?
[02:34] <BlueDevil> yw
[02:34] <BlueDevil> _sebastian: yes
[02:34] <_sebastian> Konversation is a KDE app?
[02:34] <BlueDevil> _sebastian: yes
[02:35] <_sebastian> I had Kbuntu on previous Ubuntu.  ,but not put on latest yet.  only some KDE apps and a load of other good software
[02:35] <DesExMachina> ok thanks it works
[02:35] <DesExMachina> cu guys
[02:35] <_sebastian> so this is the kbuntu channel?  so supposue to talk about Kbuntu here I assume
[02:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> _sebastian: yes
[02:36] <_sebastian> well Gnome sucks and KDE sucks.
[02:36] <_sebastian> and therei s some sort of.  Amazing GUI or someting that I not installed yet
[02:37] <_sebastian> carn't remember what it is called now
[02:37] <_jonez> what is karamba and how do i start it?
[02:37] <_sebastian> I have also used Fluxbox before :)
[02:37] <Kamping_Kaiser> _jonez: alt+f2 i think?
[02:37] <_sebastian> WIth Gnome and KDE I have been unable to customize them to how I want it :(
[02:38] <_sebastian> at least with XP and 3rd party visaul style and stuff. people can actasully get XP to be nearlly exactly how they want it
[02:38] <_sebastian> or exactly
[02:39] <_jonez> but it costs cash
[02:39] <_sebastian> and I done that with XP.  got myself a really nice visual style.  free one
[02:39] <_sebastian> and used that uxtheme.dll patcher
[02:39] <_sebastian> so that it would run the visual style
[02:39] <_sebastian> and by same guy a really nice theme that goes with it.  for Firefox :)
[02:40] <_sebastian> ,but that's not been upgraded yet for 1.5.  so still using the Deer Park Alpha 2 when I want to use FIrefox on XP :)
[02:40] <_jonez> so if u like winxp so good what the hell are u doing in this channel?
[02:40] <_sebastian> I don't like WIn XP so good it sucks
[02:40] <manveru> i would miss my shell :)
[02:40] <_sebastian> ,but what I am saying is.   I basically been able to get the GUI that I am happy with
[02:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol manveru, could read that in 2 ways ;)
[02:41] <Rogue_Jedi_X> I always thought Win XP was just a (even more) bloated version of Win2k
[02:41] <_sebastian> yeah exaclty it is
[02:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> _sebastian: apt-cache search window |grep manager
[02:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> Rogue_Jedi_X: with SP1 built in
[02:41] <_sebastian> what's that kamping
[02:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> xp's only good feature :) 2k sp1
[02:41] <manveru> _sebastian: that's the source of days full of fun :)
[02:41] <_jonez> maybe u should ask someone if it is something u dont get to work in linux mate?
[02:41] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Kamping_Kaiser: Hehe, too true
[02:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> _sebastian: a way to find alternatives
[02:42] <_sebastian> a bit of a LInux noob so.  in the shell I assume?  put that in?
[02:42] <manveru> exactly
[02:45] <_jonez> what good desklet programs is out there for KDE except superkaramba?
[02:47] <_jonez> i wnat it to look more like gDesklets
[02:47] <CuruXz> bk
[02:50] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Gotta go. See ya
[02:53] <_sebastian> it's uhmmm #ubuntu for the Ubutu channel sian't it?
[02:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> yep
[02:54] <_jonez> i cant get the dvd playback enabled in kubuntu any suggestions?
[02:55] <Kamping_Kaiser> _jonez: got libdvdcss?
[02:56] <_sebastian> what's the details I have to put in and that in Konversation.  so I can connnect to the Ubuntu channel?
[02:56] <Kamping_Kaiser>  /join #ubuntu
[02:56] <_sebastian> I think it's found it now
[02:56] <_sebastian> well I was configuring the thing so it could just connect or whatever
[02:56] <_jonez> sudo apt-get install libdvdcss??
[02:58] <_jonez> Kamping is that what i should type in the shell?
[02:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> _jonez: you will have to check the wiki, i don't remember right now.
[02:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> but it's not that hard, just follow the insturctions :)
[02:59] <_jonez> yes i did that but it did not find the thing it was looking for
[02:59] <jpatrick> !dvd
[02:59] <_jonez> that is why im asking here
[02:59] <_jonez> cause i need dvd playback
[02:59] <_curuxz_> xine?
[03:00] <_jonez> and also apt-get install azureus does not work
[03:00] <slicslak> i have some mpeg flics that i want to convert to xvid.  what app should i use?
[03:04] <LeeJunFan> is it just me or does k3b make bad iso's for everyone? I ended up having to use dd to make good iso's.
[03:10] <slicslak> ok, how about this question, also have a dvd i need to convert to xvid.  and  i'm not even pirating, it's a promotional for a non-profit.  what's the best dvd ripping software right now?  by best i mean easiest to  use
[03:11] <jpatrick> k3b?
[03:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> ripping? try dvdrip
[03:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> and what your ripping is none of our buisness :)
[03:13] <slicslak> ya ripping
[03:13] <slicslak> lol!
[03:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[03:14] <freeman2411> ?
[03:16] <_jonez> what is a good server on amule?
[03:22] <_sebastian> a
[03:22] <_sebastian> b
[03:22] <_sebastian> c
[03:22] <_sebastian> d
[03:24] <_sebastian> can you get bootedo ut of here for flooding?  I wonder
[03:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> yes you can.
[03:25] <_sebastian> rather dead this channel now anyway thanks for the help I got here
[03:25] <_sebastian> got more in Ubuntu channel and I am leaving now
[03:25] <_sebastian> bye
[03:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> later
[03:25] <antti> The APT Database could not be opened! This may be caused by incorrect APT configuration or something similar. Try running apt-setup and apt-get update in terminal and see if it helps to resolve the problem.
[03:26] <antti> why it says that when i try to run adept
[03:42] <ciga> hi
[03:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi
[03:43] <ciga> I want to run a plus4 disk image with xmess. I misses some bin files (disk.bin, rs232.bin ...) Is it broken in breezy?
[03:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> not sure what it is
[03:43] <ciga> in vice it works fine.
[03:44] <ciga> commodore +4 emulator
[03:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> hm. don't know, sorry
[03:44] <ciga> is there a page which show a package status?
[03:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> *shrug*
[03:45] <ciga> ic
[03:46] <dissed> im installing a new graphic card, the old one is pci, new one is agp, anyone who could tell me if i need to do anything?
[03:48] <virachon> hey..............
[03:48] <cold> hmm how do I start the kubuntu desktop install from a ubuntu installation?
[03:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> cold: open a terminal and type " sudo apt-get install Kubuntu-desktop`
[03:50] <cold> root@ColdDexBox:/home/cold/applications/snort-1.8.1-RELEASE#  sudo apt-get install Kubuntu-deskto
[03:50] <cold> Reading package lists... Done
[03:50] <cold> Building dependency tree... Done
[03:50] <cold> E: Couldn't find package Kubuntu-deskto
[03:50] <cold> root@ColdDexBox:/home/cold/applications/snort-1.8.1-RELEASE#
[03:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> desktop
[03:50] <ciga> anyone uses the official kde 3.5 packages?
[03:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> not deskto
[03:51] <cold> same thing happened
[03:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> cold: do you have the internet repositories enabled?
[03:52] <cold> hmm how do I do that?
[03:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list, comment out the cdrom line, and uncomment the internet repositories
[03:57] <cold> yuck, don't like nano preffer vi :)
[03:57] <cold> k let me try again now
[03:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol. nano is a family editor ;)
[04:00] <cold> root@ColdDexBox:/home/cold/applications/konstruct/meta/everything# sudo apt-get install Kubuntu-desktop
[04:00] <cold> Reading package lists... Done
[04:00] <cold> Building dependency tree... Done
[04:00] <cold> E: Couldn't find package Kubuntu-desktop
[04:00] <cold> root@ColdDexBox:/home/cold/applications/konstruct/meta/everything#
[04:01] <cold> i un commented the internet respositories
[04:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> try lowercase k
[04:01] <cold> ahh thanks buddy
[04:01] <cold> it worked
[04:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> and ran `sudo apt-get update`?
[04:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> cool
[04:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[04:02] <cold> hmm i assume apt-get update, updates the package list?
[04:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> yep
[04:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> wb kkathman :)
[04:02] <cold> ahh thanks man
[04:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> np
[04:03] <kkathman> howdy Kamping_Kaiser :)
[04:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[04:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> your up late
[04:04] <kkathman> Kamping_Kaiser: nah early...its morning here now 9am
[04:04] <kkathman> Kamping_Kaiser: you are the one thats up late I think ::)
[04:04] <_root> s
[04:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> that's true as well :)
[04:06] <Tm_T> oh
[04:06] <Tm_T> maybe I hit too hard
[04:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[04:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> classic
[04:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> lotekk [root@210.56.36.2747]  entered the room.
[04:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> mode (+b *!*root@* ) by ChanOP
[04:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> lotekk left the room (Kicked by ChanOP (If you are stupid enough to use IRC as ROOT, you shouldn't be here - CyberSwine)).
[04:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> told ;)
[04:08] <Tm_T> Kamping_Kaiser: aye, actually telling that should be done by irc servers
[04:08] <Tm_T> Kamping_Kaiser: some local IRCnet servers doesn't even let you in as root
[04:08] <Tm_T> that's how it should be
[04:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> i agree
[04:09] <DocTomoe> actually, that is an interesting IP address that lotekk-guy had
[04:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> it's austnet
[04:09] <DocTomoe> austnet?
[04:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> so they screw the last octet
[04:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> IIRC
[04:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> another network
[04:09] <DocTomoe> I see
[04:10] <DocTomoe> anyone willing to slap me with the big stick of enlightement with an postfix problem?
[04:10] <Tm_T> DocTomoe: no, but I can always slap you just for fun ;-P
[04:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> *cough* hides *cough*
[04:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[04:11] <DocTomoe> Well, Im not *that* type of guy ;)
[04:11] <Tm_T> DocTomoe: does that help?
[04:11] <cold> quick questions guy, see i have a windows,slackware and ubuntu partition, I want to delete the slackware partition and split the free space between ubuntu and windows, can it be done with the partitioner on the installer?
[04:11] <Tm_T> dan
[04:11] <Tm_T> damn
[04:11] <Tm_T> DocTomoe: so you say now
[04:11] <DocTomoe> cold: Id try PartitionMagic ...
[04:12] <Tm_T> DocTomoe: noooooo
[04:12] <slow-motion> hallo
[04:12] <cold> thats not free :L:(
[04:12] <cold> :( *
[04:12] <Tm_T> cold: you can use installer, or qtparted in knoppix livecd
[04:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> cold: from a live cd should be able to
[04:12] <DocTomoe> cold: well, if you know a relatively *SECURE* way to solve that with free (as in beer) software, let me know ;)
[04:13] <sjnovick> Hi all.  I have a Dell Latitude laptop connected to a cport (docking station).  Is there a way to use the cport sound card ?
[04:13] <cold> lol ok doctomoe
[04:13] <Tm_T> DocTomoe: qtparted, parted, gparted ...
[04:14] <DocTomoe> Tm_T: onc upon a time, thos stuff killed my mp3 collection. took me 3 months to recover.
[04:14] <Tm_T> there's multiple FOSS linux programs for that
[04:14] <DocTomoe> man, that was a nasty time ... only those legally bought stuff ... nearly killed me.
[04:14] <Tm_T> DocTomoe: that can be done by partition magic too
[04:15] <DocTomoe> Tm_T: right. but for some reason, it never happened. therefore, I somehow trust PartitionMagic a lot more than parted-like stuff.
[04:15] <DocTomoe> thats a personal preference, however
[04:15] <Tm_T> aye
[04:16] <Kamping_Kaiser> DocTomoe: and i have used PM, and it's tried to kill me, so i recomend the open one, if you have to get screwd, it may as well be free :)
[04:17] <DocTomoe> Let me put it the other way round ... if PM crashes my system, I know whom to point my shotgun at ;)
[04:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[04:18] <Coolio10> someone tell me that the kubuntu install isnt as slow as the live CD
[04:18] <DocTomoe> Coolio10: the kubuntu install is not as slow as the live CD
[04:18] <jpatrick> Coolio10: it isn't
[04:19] <Coolio10> good
[04:19] <sjnovick> Does anyone know how to configure an extra sound card ?
[04:20] <Coolio10> i am planning to install kubuntu today and just want a few answers
[04:20] <Coolio10> does the processor boot up a cd before grub loads?
[04:21] <Coolio10> because i have UBCD4WIN and am going to install grub into the MBR and dont want my MBR killed and UBCD4WIN has tools to fix the MBR so..............
[04:24] <antti> i am so lame cuz i ask this but, in the TS2 readme says To install using the gui, just startup "setup.sh"     <----- what is that startup?
[04:26] <Coolio10> i dont even have kubuntu yet but i think it means enter it into the command
[04:27] <antti> do i enter startup /setup.sh
[04:28] <antti> i need that one damn command
[04:28] <antti> and i have no idea what it is
[04:28] <antti> its not install or make install
[04:32] <Coolio10> does the processor boot up a cd before grub loads?
[04:32] <Coolio10>  because i have UBCD4WIN and am going to install grub into the MBR and dont want my MBR killed and UBCD4WIN has tools to fix the MBR so..............
[04:42] <hussam> Riddell: Hi, is there kde 3.4.3 for the kpdf/xpdf security bug?
[04:42] <Tm_T> hussam: good question
[04:43] <hussam> Tm_T: he did update the kde 3.5 packages, but since many are still on breezy's kde 3.4.3, I thought I would ask.
[04:44] <hussam> I'm sticking to kde 3.4.3 for now.
[04:48] <hussam> Tm_T: are you using kde 3.4.3 or 3.5?
[04:48] <Tm_T> 3.5 in dapper
[04:50] <hussam> Tm_T: how's dapper, is it stable?
[04:50] <hussam> probably not that much, huh?
[04:52] <Tm_T> very usable to me
[04:52] <manveru> hussam: it would be officially out if it was stable :)
[04:52] <Tm_T> manveru: or ready
[04:53] <Tm_T> manveru: this is stable as breezy to me, but all changes hasn't done yet
[04:53] <Tm_T> long wayto go
[04:53] <hussam> manveru: probably the kde part is stable but the bugs would be ubuntu core bugs
[04:53] <manveru> i still wouldn't try it
[04:53] <manveru> need a working reliable system :)
[04:54] <hussam> manveru: same here
[04:57] <kkathman> hi there hussam and manveru :)
[04:59] <hussam> kkathman: hey
[05:02] <jpatrick> hussam: modprobe segment-fault-ed here
[05:06] <hussam> jpatrick: really?
[05:06] <jpatrick> hussam: it did
[05:06] <hussam> reinstall it
[05:07] <manveru> kkathman: btw, hi :)
[05:07] <jpatrick> I tried `sudo modprobe i3868` (which was where my wifi card was) and it kept segment faulting :|
[05:07] <hussam> try this, reinstall libc6. many ubuntu packages rely on it.
[05:08] <jpatrick> hussam: I'm waiting for Flight 2
[05:08] <hussam> jpatrick: Oh sorry. you're on dapper. I thought you were on breezy.
[05:09] <jpatrick> I'm on Breezy now
[05:10] <hussam> so it seg-faulted on breezy? what if you modprobe some other module, will it seg fault as well?
[05:10] <dissed> cant start xvid files with kaffeine, dled the gstreamer xvid thing, but when i run any xvid file kaffeine shuts down
[05:10] <jpatrick> That was on Dapper
[05:14] <cRoW2k> hi
[05:14] <cRoW2k> to enable SWAT what i've to do?
[05:15] <cRoW2k> i've installed netkit-inetd
[05:15] <hussam> kkathman: go buy some
[05:16] <kkathman> hussam: yah... that would be the right thing to do
[05:16] <kkathman> but Im lazy right now..hehe
[05:16] <kkathman> so I got some tea instead :)
[05:24] <mister_roboto> kkathman: aren't you the one looking to run DbDesigner?
[05:26] <mister_roboto> kkathman: you there?
[05:26] <cold> hmm i edited my xinitrc file from gnome to kde and i still get gnome 4 my window manager
[05:26] <cold> can someone help me?
[05:32] <gsnedders> would 256mb RAM be enough on a duron 700 to run smoothly, or would i need 512mb?
[05:33] <kkathman> gsnedders: the more primitive the machine, the more memory you'll need
[05:33] <kkathman> try it and see :)
[05:34] <jpatrick> gsnedders: I'm on 128MB ram and Pentium II
[05:35] <gsnedders> jpatirck: then i may as well try
[05:40] <_dirk> long live easykubuntu :D
[05:43] <our_didi> hi all. I followed apt-key instructions at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-35.php - that didn't work for me - I slightly changed a command and it did work - I'm not sure those instructions are uncorrect, but I would like to talk about it - anybody interested?
[05:47] <our_didi> well, maybe someone will read this later so I summarize it. As a user, I typed "wget http://people.ubuntu.com/~jriddell/kubuntu-packages-jriddell-key.gpg" , but when I did "sudo apt-key" I received this error: "gpg: no ultimately trusted keys found
[05:47] <our_didi> "
[05:47] <our_didi>  so I used "sudo  wget http://people.ubuntu.com/~jriddell/kubuntu-packages-jriddell-key.gpg"  instead of  " wget http://people.ubuntu.com/~jriddell/kubuntu-packages-jriddell-key.gpg".
[05:48] <our_didi> and now it seems to be ok.
[05:48] <our_didi> bye all
[05:48] <jpatrick> our_didi: it's suppose to say that
[05:49] <our_didi> jpatrick : maybe I should give a look to gpg, apt-key and so on
[05:49] <our_didi> I only found strange that I received no errors doing it via "sudo apt-key"
[05:49] <our_didi> so I thought both "sudo" were necessary
[05:49] <our_didi> am I wrong about that?
[05:56] <_ubuntu> I want to thank you for this largely USER friendly Operating System!
[05:58] <poningru> our_didi: you need sudo
[05:58] <poningru> for software installation
[06:05] <our_didi> poningru sure. however I was referring to "sudo wget". thanks however
[06:06] <our_didi> and I too agree with _ubuntu - "thank you for this largely USER friendly Operating System!"
[06:06] <our_didi> :)
[06:07] <hussam> anybody here uses kmail?
[06:07] <hugelmopf> hussam: yes.
[06:08] <hussam> hugelmopf: I use spamassassin to catch spam in kmail but it only catches like 1 out of every 50 spam emails
[06:10] <hussam> hugelmopf: what do you use for spam protection?
[06:10] <hugelmopf> hussam: i am not using it, you might be more successful if you asked the spamassassin guys. in some way you can change its threshhold, but i don't have any experience with it.
[06:10] <hussam> ok
[06:10] <our_didi> am I safe in removing kubuntu-desktop package in order to upgrade to kde3.5 and amarok1.3.7 ?  dependencies managing wants me to do so - I'm using kynaptic on breezy
[06:11] <hugelmopf> hussam: i don't get that much spam, that i really worried about it yet. my mailinglist-email provider seems to have spam filtering installed, and none of the other addresses i publish on the net
[06:11] <hugelmopf> our_did: should be safe, as long as it doesn't remove anything else besides kubuntu-desktop (which is just a meta-package)
[06:12] <our_didi> oh I understand, thanks
[06:12] <our_didi> yes, it doesn't remove many other packages - while it upgrades all I need. so, let's try
[06:13] <hussam> hugelmopf: I usually don't get spam on my personal pop mail but I have another email @ my university's email on which I get a lot of spam although I have never actually published this email on the net
[06:14] <hussam> our_didi: after the upgrade is installed, check if you can install kubuntu-desktop again
[06:15] <our_didi> uhm...thanks hussam !
[06:26] <kkathman> Howdy Delvien :)
[06:26] <Delvien> Is there a way to install enlightenment and still run KDE, or is it just like KDE and gnome, where you can choose when you log in ?
[06:26] <Delvien> hey kkathman
[06:28] <reagleBRKLN> since i upgraded to 3.5, klipper interferes with the copy/pasting formatting of what I'm doing over KRDC
[06:28] <our_didi> I'm not sure I get what you're asking Delvien (i'm not english), but if you would like to can choose between enlightenment and kde at log-in, i'm quite sure you can - i think you only would need to install enlight.
[06:29] <our_didi> Delvien : maybe did you install enlight. and you are not able to log in it ?
[06:30] <Delvien> didnt install it yet
[06:30] <Delvien> i want to though
[06:30] <Delvien> our_didi know a good website to download it from?
[06:31] <our_didi> no i'm sorry ... don't you use apt-get or an apt fronted?
[06:31] <our_didi> i think you can install it with apt and I would suggest you to do so
[06:31] <kkathman> Delvien: My knowledge is that enlightenment is a gnome-based graphical manager kinda like xfce
[06:32] <kkathman> you install it and then have the option to boot into it..but I dont think you can run KDE apps in it
[06:32] <Delvien> kkathman eek
[06:32] <Chousuke> of course you can!
[06:32] <Delvien> omg that scared me hehe
[06:32] <Chousuke> nothing prevents you from running KDE apps in gnome or vice versa :P
[06:32] <kkathman> Chousuke: I know you can run gnome apps in KDE
[06:33] <kkathman> but I run 100% KDE so never tried the other way
[06:33] <Delvien> Anyone experienced with the install of Enlightenment?
[06:33] <Chousuke> you can run any app anywhere providing you have the needed libs.
[06:33] <our_didi> Chousuke is right
[06:34] <Chousuke> hmm
[06:34] <Chousuke> You don't even need KDE to run KDE apps. just open X and run the app ;P
[06:44] <Delvien> Is there a DEB install for Enlightenment
[06:44] <Delvien> !enlightenment
[06:44] <hugelmopf> delvien: why don't you search in the package manager? there is an enlightenment package
[06:45] <Delvien> hugelmopf i did ,  did not see it
[06:45] <hugelmopf> it is in the universe repository, do you have that enabled?
[06:45] <Delvien> i beleive i do , can you tell me the http that i have to have
[06:46] <Delvien> OH now i see it in adept
[06:47] <Delvien> thanks bro, must of spelled it wrong the 3 times i looked before lol...
[06:51] <_curuxz_> enlightenment works great with all apps
[06:51] <flodine> hello guys is there a guide page for kubuntu?
[06:51] <_curuxz_> its a good system tho takes  a while to get looking nice and everything where you want it
[06:51] <_curuxz_> once don though, its a very cool looking system
[06:52] <flodine> theres got to be a guide page i know ubuntu has one
[06:52] <_curuxz_> personaly i think kde is better for multitasking though
[06:52] <flodine> please help
[06:53] <our_didi> flodine : please wait a couple of minutes and someone will do
[06:53] <our_didi> (maybe :)   - did you already look around the kubuntu website?
[06:53] <_curuxz_> whats the prob flood line?
[06:55] <our_didi> flodine did you need some thing like http://kubuntu.org/docs/kquickguide/C/index.html ?
[06:56] <our_didi> please note that I didn't know that page before, I just have a look to kubuntu main page and followed "Documentation" plink
[06:56] <our_didi> plink = *link
[06:57] <flodine> thxs hope it tells me about repositories
[07:00] <Flammia> !multimedia
[07:01] <Delvien> wow enlightenment is hard to get around in
[07:02] <_curuxz_> yea takes a while to get used too
[07:02] <_curuxz_> its great once you have it loading everyting you want
[07:02] <Delvien> how can i get to my apps? i couldnt find a single thing
[07:02] <_curuxz_> and all put in the right places
[07:02] <_curuxz_> click anywhere and you should be able to access a startmenu
[07:02] <Delvien> i wasnt
[07:03] <_curuxz_> probs best to stick to KDE :)
[07:03] <_curuxz_> its much more tolerant of people learning things them selfs
[07:04] <Delvien> well im used to KDE i want something new
[07:04] <arafat> !multimedia
[07:04] <_curuxz_> gnome?
[07:05] <Delvien> i hate gnome for several reasons
[07:05] <Delvien> one being its file browser :P
[07:05] <_curuxz_> xfc?
[07:05] <_curuxz_> *xfce
[07:05] <Delvien> never tried it, but Enlightenment looked really good,
[07:06] <_curuxz_> oh yea the screenshots you see look amazing
[07:06] <Delvien> how do i open a terminal in enlightenment
[07:06] <_curuxz_> but thats after you spend about 2 weeks playing with it getting it all setup
[07:06] <Delvien> well ive spent 4 weeks on KDE
[07:06] <_curuxz_> click anywhere nad access terminal from the dev menu
[07:06] <Delvien> hmm
[07:06] <Delvien> any hotkey?
[07:06] <_curuxz_> i have used linux for nearly 7 years and it takes me weeks to get enlightenment working how i like, even then i prefer KDE
[07:07] <_curuxz_> not unless you set it to use a hotkey
[07:07] <Delvien> ok brb then
[07:10] <Delvien> when i click the left mouse button on the desktop it doesnt do anything
[07:10] <voicu> hi, the sound system doesn't work on other users but mine (the main user). it says (when i log on into another user) that /dev/dsp access is denied
[07:11] <voicu> i gave rw access on all users but everytime i start linux the permissions are reset
[07:11] <Delvien> _curuxz_ i think my enlightenment is broken
[07:11] <hugelmopf> voicu: your new user has to be member of the "audio" group
[07:11] <_curuxz_> i would ask in the forums for advice on enlightenment they may know of a user guilde
[07:11] <_curuxz_> i doubt a clean install would be broken :)
[07:11] <manveru> Delvien: you are on e17 now?
[07:11] <voicu> hugelmopf: thanks, i didn't think about that
[07:11] <hugelmopf> voicu: you can add him with "sudo adduser USERNAME audio"
[07:11] <Delvien> manveru ummm i dont know
[07:11] <voicu> ok, thanks
[07:12] <Delvien> manveru o im in KDE right now
[07:12] <manveru> Delvien: one important shortcut in e17 is ctrl+alt+t
[07:12] <Delvien> manveru i cant get to anything in enlightentment
[07:12] <manveru> it opens a console :)
[07:12] <Delvien> manveru it tells me to click the left mouse button to get to the "start" menu but when i click it nothing happens
[07:13] <_curuxz_> you should get a menu and one of the options will be something like applications
[07:13] <Delvien> aye, but i dont
[07:13] <_curuxz_> that will expand to show your apps (im in kde so i cant see first hand at the moment im afraid)
[07:13] <manveru> Delvien: but you can move your mouse?
[07:13] <Delvien> yes
[07:13] <manveru> e17 or e16?
[07:14] <_curuxz_> should be like getting to the change desktop wallpaper menu, just instead you will have your apps there
[07:14] <manveru> _curuxz_: that doesn't help when it doesn't work...
[07:14] <Delvien> manveru which ever is from adept
[07:14] <manveru> oh, that's e16
[07:15] <Delvien> _curuxz_ aye i get everthing else with cnrtl left mouse button, and stuff, but when  i just hit the left mouse button it doesnt do anything
[07:15] <manveru> e16 is different is some points... but still it should work that way
[07:16] <Delvien> how do i upgrade to e17 from console?
[07:16] <Delvien> im gonna try and reinstall enlightenment see if that does it. because as it is its not working right
[07:16] <manveru> Delvien: well, that's another chapter
[07:17] <manveru> Delvien: you need a new repository, and not everything works well
[07:17] <Delvien> how do you get a custom wallpapper up? it gave a bunch of Win95 style crappy wallpapers
[07:17] <Delvien> lemmme get on enlightenement really quick , brb
[07:18] <manveru> hmm
[07:18] <manveru> jkop: seas
[07:19] <jkop> seas
[07:23] <Delvien> cntrl alt T didnt work manveru
[07:23] <Delvien> nothing really worked.
[07:23] <manveru> yeah
[07:24] <manveru> i imagined that
[07:24] <Delvien> manveru know whats wrong with it?
[07:24] <manveru> this is e16 man - not e17
[07:24] <Delvien> any DEB file i can install enlightenment from?
[07:24] <Delvien> i hate compiling
[07:24] <manveru> yeah... there are
[07:24] <manveru> wait a second
[07:26] <manveru> ok, got it...
[07:26] <manveru> deb http://www.soulmachine.net/debian unstable/
[07:27] <manveru> but be aware that they are for debian, not ubuntu and you _will_ run into problems
[07:27] <Delvien> ugh im gonna give up on enlightenment
[07:27] <Delvien> thanks for link though, how is XFCE?
[07:28] <manveru> uhm... pretty... stable :)
[07:28] <Delvien> lol not a good looking UI ?
[07:28] <manveru> not at all
[07:28] <Delvien> sigh
[07:29] <manveru> but that is a matter of taste...
[07:29] <manveru> did you try the elive-cd sometime?
[07:29] <Delvien> no
[07:29] <manveru> http://www.get-e.org
[07:29] <manveru> it's really worth checking out
[07:30] <Delvien> XFCE looks like gnome
[07:32] <Delvien> im gonna try out XFCE... if i cant get Enlight to work from an Adept install its not worth my time,
[07:35] <Delvien> manveru have any idea how i can get my mouse button to work .. im looking at themes and stuff and enlightenment looks SO OOO OO Nice.. i want it
[07:36] <_ubuntu> alguna chica de espaa?
[07:37] <Marco26> hola
[07:37] <manveru> Delvien: hmm, what mouse do you have?
[07:37] <jpat|away> Marco26: : #kubuntu-es
[07:37] <Marco26> thanks,jeje
[07:37] <Delvien> manveru well i have a logitech mx1000, but my touchpad mouse click doesnt work to get the menu up either
[07:38] <Delvien> manveru and alt cnrtl T doesnt get a terminal up
[07:38] <Delvien> anyone know how i use a .bin file?
[07:38] <Delvien> its a installer
[07:39] <manveru> chmod +x
[07:39] <manveru> ./whatever.bin
[07:39] <manveru> hmmm, what was the shortcut for the terminal... *scratch scratch*
[07:40] <manveru> ctrl+alt+m brings up the menu
[07:40] <Delvien> manveru ill try that in a sec
[07:40] <manveru> ctrl+alt+a the apps-menu
[07:40] <Delvien> BRB
[07:41] <manveru> hehe :)
[07:41] <_aaron> hey, i just recently installed kubuntu and my volume buttons dont work (pavilion dv1331se) however they worked for ubuntu breezy
[07:41] <Marco26> hallo samba girl
[07:41] <Marco26> from rio janeiro
[07:42] <_aaron> anyone have any ideas?
[07:47] <Delvien> manveru none of that worked
[07:47] <manveru> ok, so your e16 is b0rken
[07:47] <Delvien> manveru sweet
[07:48] <Delvien> Manveru so i have to compile it now?  ugh
[07:49] <Delvien> manveru or is there an easier way to install it?
[07:49] <sorush20> the reply button doesn't work in yahoo.co.uk mail konqueror?
[07:51] <Delvien> manveru can i put http://enlightenment.freedesktop.org/ in my sources.list and install via adept ?
[07:51] <manveru> oh hell, sorry but i'm really busy
[07:51] <manveru> i have _no_ idea
[07:51] <Delvien> k thanks anyway
[07:52] <Delvien> i forget, where are my sources.list file found anyone?
[07:52] <manveru>  /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:52] <Delvien> ty
[07:55] <our_didi> I had no troubles in this upgrade. And I used kubuntu since a couple of days only - I'm not a totally newvbie, however this is due to kubuntu team good  work
[07:55] <our_didi> uhm, fonts size is quite screwed up
[07:56] <Delvien> !checkinstall
[07:56] <Delvien> wheres ubotu ?
[07:57] <sampan> delvien  i think he's on vacation -- took some time off to go to the Caribbean and rest iirc
[07:59] <Delvien> anyone remember off the top of their head how you auto-apt ./configure something?
[07:59] <manveru> sudo apt-get install checkinstall
[07:59] <manveru> sudo checkinstall -D
[08:00] <manveru> (the checkinstall in the folder where you want to compile - takes care about most things)
[08:01] <GameCat> hi
[08:02] <GameCat> can anyone tell me why there are a load of menu items missing in konqueror? (I just moved from 5.04 to 5.10)
[08:03] <manveru> because not everything is going smooth?
[08:03] <manveru> you could purge your ~/.kde directory and login again...
[08:04] <Delvien> anyone help me out on this http://pastebin.com/458651
[08:04] <Delvien> i wish there was an easier way to install enlightenment
[08:05] <manveru> Delvien: go to #e please
[08:06] <Coolio10> hi
[08:10] <troy> Delvien: you can run enlightenment using the klik:/ packages :P
[08:10] <Delvien> troy where are those located?
[08:10] <troy> http://klik.atekon.de
[08:12] <meissner> Where can I see, what exactly I have for a memory module in my PC?  Thus size, technology and clock rate.
[08:12] <Delvien> troy enlightenment is not in there
[08:14] <pipitas> http://enlightenment.klik.atekon.de/
[08:15] <Delvien> troy when i try to click here and download etc. it says protocol not supported
[08:15] <troy> Delvien: run the klik protocol installer first
[08:15] <troy> wget klik.atekon.de/client/install -O -|sh
[08:15] <Delvien> troy o
[08:15] <troy> it only installs some shell scripts, and adds some loopback devices to /etc/fstab -- no binaries
[08:15] <Delvien> tory that would make sense
[08:16] <pipitas> http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/1490
[08:16] <troy> I use klik sometimes when ubuntu packages are not present -- works fine for me
[08:17] <Delvien> troy enlightenment is not on there which is disssapoingint, because for some reason my enlightenment from Adept is broken
[08:17] <pipitas> http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/1490 (is specifically about the klik://enlightenment recipe, and its special setup)
[08:17] <pipitas> Delvien: again: http://enlightenment.klik.atekon.de/
[08:18] <manveru> hey, this klik-stuff really looks cool :)
[08:18] <Delvien> piptas o thanks hehe didnt see it the first time, u said it
[08:18] <pipitas> http://klik.atekon.de/wiki/index.php/User's_FAQ
[08:20] <jjesse> if i upgrade from breezy to dapper do i automatically get kde 3.5 or do i still have to add sources?
[08:20] <pipitas> 'klik wins "Linux Format Hottest Pick" award'  ( http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/1669 )
[08:22] <troy> anyway, I think it's cool - it's of somewhat less use to me on amd64, but some packages still work out-of-the-box, like opera :)
[08:23] <Delvien> lol all that and it got some HUGE error
[08:26] <Delvien> http://pastebin.com/458678
[08:26] <ClayG> anyone have a recommendation for dyndns? as far as the app that "phones home" and updates?
[08:27] <troy> my router does that for me using dyndns.org
[08:27] <Delvien> http://pastebin.com/458678 troy any ideas?
[08:28] <Delvien> How do i set my DISPLAY variable?
[08:29] <troy> Delvien: you shouldn't need to... hrmmm paste that log in #klik and see if they know - they put that package together
[08:30] <Delvien> troy isnt setting my display something like xset?
[08:31] <manveru> Delvien: this thing is supposed to run in a nxmachine...
[08:31] <troy> Delvien: your display is already set if you're in X - however this package should use NX to set a display
[08:32] <probono> A symlink: /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/ -> /usr/share/X11/fonts/ fixes it
[08:32] <probono> this is a (k)ubuntu speciality
[08:41] <Darkkish_Box> hey i need help installing kubuntu
[08:42] <Darkkish_Box> as dual boot
[08:44] <Darkkish_Box> hello
[08:45] <Darkkish_Box> i find it really hard to beleieve that everyone in here is idle
[08:45] <Darkkish_Box> damnit im going to cry
[08:47] <poningru> darkheart: whats wrong?
[08:48] <jjesse> Darkkish_Box: what's up?
[08:48] <poningru> Darkkish_Box:
[08:48] <jjesse> sorry was afk in another window
[08:48] <poningru> Darkkish_Box: if people are idle here ask in #ubuntu
[08:50] <triode> hey manveru! I got my Tascam US-224 working! (I thought I'd let you know since you helped me out)
[08:51] <manveru> triode: glad to hear :)
[08:51] <manveru> how did you manage that?
[08:51] <triode> check out the thread:
[08:52] <triode> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=30891
[08:52] <triode> look at the last page
[08:52] <triode> some pointers there on how to set up a USB card without disabling the one onboard
[08:52] <Darkkish_Box> hah
[08:53] <Darkkish_Box> Okay
[08:53] <Darkkish_Box> so
[08:53] <manveru> i see
[08:53] <manveru> Darkkish_Box: you need help?
[08:53] <Darkkish_Box> im trying to install kubuntu
[08:53] <Darkkish_Box> and i got to the part
[08:53] <triode> it was a few options specifying which card to load the firmwares to
[08:53] <manveru> triode: will add it to ubotu when he's back :)
[08:53] <triode> :)
[08:53] <Darkkish_Box> where it said where to install it
[08:53] <triode> manveru, what do you mean?
[08:53] <Darkkish_Box> and i couldnt figure out how to select a partition
[08:54] <Darkkish_Box> i could change partitions but i couldnt actually select one to install it on
[08:54] <Darkkish_Box> AMD64
[08:54] <jpatrick> Darkkish_Box: make a partition with "/" as it's mount point
[08:55] <triode> what is ubotu?
[08:55] <Darkkish_Box> will that effect my windows?
[08:55] <jpatrick> triode: a bot
[08:55] <jpatrick> Darkkish_Box: depends
[08:55] <ClayG> anyone use dyndns here?
[08:55] <Darkkish_Box> on?
[08:56] <triode> oh, ok :)
[08:56] <jpatrick> !tell triode about ubotu
[08:56] <manveru> ubotu is dead...
[08:57] <triode> !
[08:59] <Darkkish_Box> hello
[08:59] <Darkkish_Box> im still here
[08:59] <Darkkish_Box> Laughs Out Loud
[09:01] <toma> what is the differerence betwee kdebase 4:3.5.0-ubuntu0breezy1 and 4:3.5.0-ubuntu1 ?
[09:01] <crimsun> the former is the backport built from the latter
[09:02] <crimsun> breezy vs. dapper
[09:02] <toma> ah ok.
[09:04] <dissed> anyone who knows any other nzb apps than klibido and knzb?
[09:04] <Delvien> what does it mean when you click install in adept and it says BREAK (install) as action
[09:05] <triode> does anybody have any experience with DeMudi?
[09:05] <Darkkish_Box> can anyone tell me what to do w/ my linux?
[09:05] <Delvien> ?
[09:05] <fatejudger> why isn't Flurry included in Kubuntu by default now?
[09:05] <Delvien> what do you mean
[09:05] <fatejudger> it makes me use Xscreensaver
[09:05] <Darkkish_Box> i already said
[09:05] <Darkkish_Box> i installed it
[09:05] <fatejudger> which sucks
[09:06] <Darkkish_Box> or
[09:06] <Darkkish_Box> no
[09:06] <Darkkish_Box> i didnt
[09:06] <Darkkish_Box> i started to but when it got to the part to install it on the partition
[09:06] <Darkkish_Box> it only gave me the choices of formatting and making a new partition and using freespace, why cant it use my ext2 linux partition
[09:08] <Darkkish_Box> can someone help me
[09:09] <jpatrick> Darkkish_Box: what have you chosen for it's mount point?
[09:10] <Darkkish_Box> i told you
[09:10] <Darkkish_Box> it didnt get to that part
[09:10] <Darkkish_Box> hang on
[09:10] <Darkkish_Box> let me try it again
[09:12] <Darkkish_Box> bbiab
[09:12] <blas> jau
[09:13] <blas> de ke va esto??
[09:14] <voicu> if i install a program by compiling it, can i delete the src directory after the make install command?
[09:15] <jpatrick> voicu: yes
[09:17] <voicu> ok, tks
[09:17] <jpatrick> voicu: you won't be able to uninstall later
[09:18] <jpatrick> that's why I prefer to package programs instead
[09:18] <voicu> how do you do that?
[09:18] <voicu> is there a simple set of commands?
[09:18] <chx> where can I check whether "RenderAccel" is off or on?
[09:19] <jpatrick> voicu: use `checkinstall`
[09:19] <jpatrick> install it first
[09:19] <jpatrick> instead of make install
[09:20] <triode> why isn't alsa-firmware available on the repositories?
[09:21] <triode> (kubuntu 5.10)
[09:21] <voicu> jpatrick: thanks again
[09:22] <jpatrick> voicu: or if you want to do it professionally see: http://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuPackagingGuide
[09:22] <hunika> raphink: Are you there please help me!!!
[09:23] <raphink> whats wrong hunika ?
[09:24] <hunika> raphink: I had some problems with my win xp and I had to reinstall it, but a problem occured with my xp cd so I could not run nor xp neither kubuntu. I have formatted my hard disk and I installed just kubuntu
[09:24] <hunika> raphink: The problem is that I can not install kaffeine-xine engine
[09:24] <hunika> raphink: I have the engines
[09:24] <raphink> hmm
[09:24] <raphink> why?
[09:24] <[miles] > evening all
[09:24] <hunika> raphink: I have some errors
[09:24] <hunika> raphink: Where can I post them to you?
[09:25] <raphink> ok paste the errors in a pastebin and let me see
[09:25] <raphink> hi [miles] 
[09:25] <hunika> raphink: What is the address of pastebin?
[09:25] <troy> hey, with kde3.5 installed I'm getting duplication when I insert a CD - 3.5's media dialog opens, and kubuntu's old 'mount and show' is also happening - is there a way I can disable kubuntu's old behavior?
[09:25] <raphink> look in the topic hunika
[09:25] <hunika> raphink: ok
[09:26] <voicu> jpatrick: i don't know... i bookmarked for later when i'll have some more experience with linux
[09:26] <hunika> raphink: The problem is that it does not lets me to copy the error text
[09:27] <raphink> hunika: It helps me understand
[09:27] <hunika> raphink: I tried with CTRL + C but it is not working
[09:27] <hunika> raphink: A screenshot it is good?
[09:27] <raphink> ooh
[09:27] <raphink> use the right button of the mouse
[09:27] <raphink> and choose copy
[09:27] <raphink> ;)
[09:27] <raphink> when you're in a console I mean
[09:28] <hunika> raphink: I am not stupid when I use the right button nothing happens
[09:28] <raphink> hmm
[09:28] <raphink> well send me a screenshot if you prefer
[09:28] <hunika> to your e-mail address it is ok?
[09:29] <djk_> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/
[09:29] <djk_> ^^you can upload a screenshot there
[09:29] <raphink> sure hunika it's fine
[09:29] <lqb> hi
[09:30] <lqb> I don't know what happen but now... X don't start automatically
[09:30] <lqb> :S
[09:30] <lqb> when kubuntu load
[09:30] <lqb> I need to write my username and password and then startx
[09:30] <lqb> why? :S
[09:30] <jpatrick> lqb: upgrade from 3.4.3->3.5?
[09:30] <lqb> no
[09:30] <lqb> I don't upgrade anything
[09:31] <troy> probably a runlevel problem, or kdm is crashing
[09:31] <troy> what happens when you write 'kdm' instead of startx?
[09:32] <hunika> raphink: I have sent a message to your mailbox
[09:32] <raphink> ok
[09:32] <lqb> yes, I'm having several runlevels issues... but now all seem ok
[09:32] <hunika> raphink: Thanks for helping me
[09:32] <lqb> kdm link is in /etc/rc2.d
[09:33] <lqb> and inittab is set to start runlevel2
[09:33] <troy> kdm could be crashing still, which would dump you at the console
[09:33] <lqb> |troy| wait.. I'll try to write kdm
[09:33] <Darkkish_Box> hey
[09:33] <Darkkish_Box> ok i got it to install
[09:33] <jpatrick> boo
[09:33] <Darkkish_Box> why does it say 15hrs remaining.
[09:33] <Darkkish_Box> >.<
[09:34] <Darkkish_Box> oh wait
[09:34] <jpatrick> blimey
[09:34] <Darkkish_Box> it seems to have changed its mind
[09:34] <Darkkish_Box> :-D
[09:34] <raphink> hunika: it seems kaffeine-xine is not available for kde 3.5 yet
[09:34] <raphink> ;)
[09:34] <Darkkish_Box> yeah it was at %17 and it said "(15hr 17mins)
[09:35] <raphink> hunika: either you do without it, or you build it ;)
[09:35] <Darkkish_Box> only iy went away
[09:36] <Darkkish_Box> so i guess thats not what it meant
[09:36] <Darkkish_Box> heh
[09:36] <hunika> raphink: I reinstalled everything and now I have kde 3.4.3
[09:36] <hunika> raphink: Last time you helped me and we could install it
[09:36] <raphink> oh ic
[09:36] <jpatrick> voicu: no problem
[09:37] <lqb> |troy| if I write kdm it should start?
[09:37] <troy> from the console, yes (before you do startkde)
[09:37] <raphink> ic
[09:37] <raphink> so it's the contrary hunika ;)
[09:37] <troy> if it doesn't, then that's where your problem likely is
[09:37] <lqb> ok...
[09:37] <raphink> you should install kde 3.5
[09:37] <raphink> hehe
[09:37] <hunika> raphink: So what to do??
[09:37] <lqb> |troy| if kdm is broke what can i do
[09:37] <hunika> raphink: But I could intall xine
[09:37] <jpatrick> lqb: or `sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart`
[09:38] <hunika> when I had 3.4
[09:38] <raphink> hunika: xine doesn't depend on kde
[09:38] <lqb> |jpatrick| but the problem is x don't start at the load
[09:38] <jpatrick> restart KDM
[09:38] <hunika> raphink: So what you would reccomend to me?
[09:39] <raphink> install kde 3.5 for example ;)
[09:39] <artemio> hey all
[09:39] <lqb> are there many news in kde 3.5?
[09:39] <artemio> i am artemio, maybe someone remembers me... if you heard kde system sounds ;-)
[09:40] <Tm_T> lqb: ?
[09:40] <hunika> raphink: But I don't want to download and wait so much, my connection is not so fast you remember
[09:40] <artemio> i am looking forward at kubuntu, i hope it will replace mandriva for me
[09:40] <raphink> yes
[09:40] <hunika> raphink: any other option
[09:40] <raphink> well it took about 1 hour last time I think hunika
[09:40] <raphink> hunika: the other option I see is building the kaffeine-xine package
[09:40] <troy> kde 3.5 works great for me, with a few bugs here and there from kubuntu integration
[09:40] <raphink> that'll take a bit less
[09:40] <hunika> raphink: how should I do that?
[09:41] <raphink> but it'll be harder
[09:41] <hunika> raphink: Anyway I learn it
[09:41] <hunika> raphink: If you have some time to guide me
[09:41] <raphink> hehe
[09:41] <raphink> well you can install apt-build
[09:41] <raphink> and then use apt-build install kaffeine-xine
[09:41] <lqb> |troy| I think I'll try to make work my version before
[09:41] <hunika> raphink: I have in the adept?
[09:41] <raphink> so two steps  :
[09:41] <raphink> sudo apt-get install apt-build
[09:41] <raphink> and then
[09:41] <raphink> sudo apt-build install kaffeine-xine
[09:42] <raphink> that might take quite a long time
[09:42] <hunika> Just a moment I am installing FireFox
[09:43] <hunika> raphink: Anyway can I run Mac os software on kubuntu?
[09:43] <raphink> no, no way that I knwo of hunika
[09:44] <hunika> raphink: I see
[09:44] <hunika> raphink: I thought that both of the os-es are built on unix
[09:44] <hunika> raphink: And it is possible
[09:44] <raphink> they are both based on unix yes
[09:44] <raphink> but that doesn't make them compatible
[09:45] <_nick> hey
[09:45] <_nick> ok
[09:45] <hunika> raphink: In your opinion which is better to install kde 3.5 or apt-build?
[09:45] <Darkkish_Box2> so now im on kubuntu
[09:46] <Darkkish_Box2> and i was using konqueror
[09:46] <jpatrick> Darkkish_Box2: welcome!
[09:46] <Darkkish_Box2> and the screen went all grainy
[09:46] <raphink> depends on what you want hunika. If you want recent softs, install kde 3.5. If you want to compile kaffeine-xine in your old kde, then apt-build
[09:46] <hunika> raphink: Than I will install kde 3.5
[09:46] <jpatrick> Darkkish_Box2: that was X starting
[09:47] <hunika> raphink: How can I paste the address in repositories?
[09:47] <Darkkish_Box2> X?
[09:47] <Darkkish_Box2> it didnt stop.
[09:47] <raphink> what do you mean hunika ?
[09:47] <hunika> raphink: so what is the address or how you say to that
[09:47] <hunika> raphink: to update to kde 3.5
[09:47] <raphink> go to kubuntu.org you'll get the addresses hunika
[09:47] <Darkkish_Box2> imean when you exited out of konquerer it was black with pink and yellow grains
[09:47] <hunika> raphink: I will thanks
[09:48] <jpatrick> Darkkish_Box2: something wrong with X then
[09:48] <Darkkish_Box2> what is X?
[09:48] <Darkkish_Box2> what about my graphics card
[09:48] <Darkkish_Box2> i dont have drivers for it, could that be a problem?
[09:50] <Darkkish_Box2> ??
[09:50] <jpatrick> Darkkish_Box2: see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X11
[09:50] <hunika> raphink: I think it is being downloaded but extremely fast
[09:50] <jpatrick> Darkkish_Box2: reconfigure your X for the correct settings: `sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg`
[09:51] <Darkkish_Box2> how?
[09:51] <jpatrick> run that command in the konsole
[09:51] <Darkkish_Box2> k
[09:51] <jpatrick> and follow the instructions
[09:52] <Darkkish_Box2> it was all correct
[09:52] <Darkkish_Box2> nvidea 6600GT
[09:52] <hunika> raphink: A simple question! Now I have just Linux on My PC but I made a partition for windows. When I have a good cd I can install windows right?
[09:52] <raphink> no
[09:53] <raphink> you have to instal llinux first
[09:53] <_dirk> true
[09:53] <raphink> if you instal windows afterwards you'll remove grub
[09:53] <_dirk> windows overwrites the MBR
[09:53] <raphink> as far' as I know
[09:53] <hunika> raphink: but if i have a bootable cd
[09:53] <hunika> ????????
[09:54] <Darkkish_Box2> ok its happening
[09:54] <Darkkish_Box2> again
[09:55] <djk_> hunika: you can install xp if you already have linux on your pc, you just have to reinstall grub..
[09:55] <_dirk> hej mr kde ;)
[09:55] <hunika> djk_: so how to reinstall grub? And my Linux will not dissappear right?
[09:56] <voicu> but if you reinstall grub you might damage the windows partition
[09:56] <djk_> hunika: you can use your breezy cd to reinstall grub..
[09:57] <djk_> voicu: why???
[09:57] <jpatrick> Darkkish_Box2: you have to log out og KDE and press Ctrl-Shift-Backspace
[09:57] <djk_> hunika: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-76652.html  << there's a simple step-by-step
[09:57] <hunika> djk_: thanks
[09:57] <djk_> voicu: why would you damage the xp partition if you reinstall grub?
[09:58] <voicu> djk_: well, it happened to me, i installed linux on a hdd with windows and my ntfs partition just dissapeared
[09:58] <chaoticgeek> hi, can I get some help on my fstab?
[09:58] <Darkkish_Box2> log out of KDE?
[09:58] <dm> whats the command for a dist-upgrade?? and would it upgrade to dapper, or keep with breezy?
[09:58] <djk_> voicu: if that was the case, you probably did something wrong during that installation, because with your logic, it would also happen when installing grub for the first time..
[09:58] <triode> kubuntu dilema: to upgrade or not to upgrade?
[09:59] <jpatrick> dm: keep with Breezy
[09:59] <chaoticgeek> I want to be able to completly read, write, execute everything as myself. However I can only read from it
[09:59] <Darkkish_Box2> how do i log out of KDE im a n00b with linux
[09:59] <triode> I had issues upgrading kubuntu the last time, I had to reinstall the whole thing...
[09:59] <jpatrick> dm: depends on your sources.list
[09:59] <triode> now I'm not sure if I should upgrade. What do you think?
[09:59] <hunika> djk_: But if I have a bootable Win xp cd I can not simply boot from bios before kubuntu loads?
[09:59] <_dirk> ctrl alt backspace  Darkkish_Box
[09:59] <voicu> djk_: probably, but i just said that you should be careful with those things...
[09:59] <chaoticgeek> I've changed it in the gui for the disks so that I could use it, but it still will not let me.
[09:59] <jpatrick> Darkkish_Box2: K-Menu->Log-out->End Current Session
[10:00] <jpatrick> _dirk: why did you do that?
[10:00] <djk_> hunika: of course you can. as long as you have set your BIOS to boot the CD-drive first..
[10:00] <_dirk> is the easiest way jpatrick  ^_^
[10:00] <hunika> djk_: I am speaking about this thing! And then I can use a partition and install win xp
[10:01] <jpatrick> _dirk: you can damage your things that way
[10:01] <hunika> djk_: But question if I have installed xp on a different partition
[10:01] <_dirk> like?
[10:01] <jpatrick> stuff
[10:01] <hunika> djk:_ I have to reinstall grub anyway to choose between linux and xp
[10:01] <hunika> ?
[10:01] <djk_> hunika: yes.
[10:01] <hunika> djk_: Thanks you helped me a lot
[10:02] <djk_> sure
[10:02] <jpatrick> hunika: you can edit C:\boot.ini
[10:02] <jpatrick> to boot (K)Ubuntu
[10:02] <hunika> I see guys
[10:03] <hunika> Today I had big problems with my pc and I could not reinstall xp cos I had problems with my cd. Than I formatted everything and I installed kubuntu
[10:03] <jpatrick> Knowerrors: boo
[10:03] <hunika> Kubuntu is better than windows I am sure
[10:03] <djk_> jpatrick: i don't think xp still has a boot.ini
[10:03] <jpatrick> djk_: it does
[10:03] <Knowerrors> jpatrick: its Christmas, not Halloween, get it strait dude
[10:04] <jpatrick> It certainly is
[10:04] <djk_> jpatrick: interesting. locate .ini doesn't find it.
[10:04] <Knowerrors> stupit #ubuntu is calling me unregged again
[10:04] <jpatrick> Knowerrors: We wish you a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year ;)
[10:04] <jpatrick> djk_: it's "hidden"
[10:05] <Knowerrors> Seasons greetings ;)
[10:05] <jpatrick> djk_: open it in Notepad or something
[10:06] <djk_> jpatrick: that doesn't matter.. anyway, just found it.
[10:06] <hunika> djk_: Can I have both gnome and kde?
[10:06] <Knowerrors> Now 100% kde 3.5 free!
[10:06] <jpatrick> hunika: yes
[10:06] <djk_> hunika: yes, and you can have fluxbox/openbox/e17/whateveryouwant ;)
[10:06] <hunika> jpatrick: And can I simply switch between them
[10:06] <djk_> hunika: yes
[10:07] <jpatrick> log out one, log in the other
[10:07] <hunika> djk_: These are just GUIs right?
[10:07] <Knowerrors> hunika: just choose session type at you GDM or KDM login screen
[10:07] <djk_> yes
[10:08] <Knowerrors> hunika: desktops with window managers
[10:08] <hunika> I see
[10:08] <hunika> I am just curious about gnome
[10:08] <tsb> Greetings. Was wondering if there's something similar to emifreq (http://zzrough.free.fr/emifreq.php), only for KDE?
[10:09] <hunika> Which is better / more beautifull?
[10:09] <tsb> hunika: just try them both
[10:09] <Knowerrors> hunika: IMHO, KDE looks best and has most customization
[10:09] <tsb> hunika: personally, I prefer KDE. it's more customizable..
[10:09] <hunika> I understand
[10:09] <Knowerrors> if you like mac, you might like Gnome better
[10:10] <hunika> Thanks for giving me infos
[10:10] <Knowerrors> Xfce runs the fastest though
[10:10] <tsb> many prefer gnome over kde because "kde looks silly and can't do X", but the are generally clueless :)
[10:10] <_ubuntu> hello
[10:10] <tsb> now, about the cpu throttling thing...
[10:10] <tsb> anyone using any?
[10:10] <hunika> Knowerrors: I never had mac pc but i like how it looks. A theme for kde which looks like mac os x?
[10:11] <jpatrick> hunika: bagira
[10:11] <dm> what is the command for a dist-upgrade??????
[10:11] <Knowerrors> hunika: xfce is a seperate desktop choice...
[10:11] <jpatrick> or something like that
[10:11] <hunika> I see thanks
[10:11] <djk_> Knowerrors: kde runs faster than xfce on my p3 500 laptop with 128mb ram...so yea..
[10:11] <chaoticgeek> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[10:11] <dm> chaoticgeek and if im running 3.4.3 will it upgrade to 3.5?
[10:11] <Knowerrors> djk_: thats amazing, Ive always heard xfce is faster
[10:12] <djk_> Knowerrors: yea, me too.
[10:12] <chaoticgeek> ok, lets reboot and see if I screwed grub up
[10:12] <Knowerrors> djk_: ok what you said sounded like the oposite, lol
[10:13] <djk_> Knowerrors: ehm, no, i always heard that it's faster, but when i tried it, it wasnt :p
[10:13] <Knowerrors> ok, gotcha
[10:14] <Knowerrors> hunika: if you got a high performance computer, then try kxdocker, it give kde a docker bar like OSX, very nice but resource intensive
[10:15] <jpatrick> hunika: lastest verison is being packages by me :)
[10:15] <djk_> there's the baghira theme, which looks like macs theme
[10:15] <chaoticgeek> woot, I did not screw up gurb :)
[10:16] <djk_> is there a jump'n'run for kde in the repos?
[10:17] <jpatrick> djk_: a what?
[10:17] <Knowerrors> djk_: whats jump'n'run?
[10:17] <manveru> jpatrick: you know - a jump, jump, faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaallllll
[10:17] <kucha> hola
[10:17] <djk_> jpatrick: a jump'n'run game.. super mario world was a jump'n'run for example
[10:18] <jpatrick> ah right
[10:18] <chaoticgeek> super mario on the gameboy was so fun
[10:18] <jpatrick> KGoldrun ?
[10:18] <chaoticgeek> I still remember the big old gameboys
[10:18] <hunika> jpatrick: My comp is 1.3 Duron with 256 ram / 32 mb Video Card / 40 Gb hard disk
[10:19] <jpatrick> hunika: Mine? - 128MB / Pent II / 4MB video / 11 GB HD
[10:19] <jpatrick> I'm getting a laptop for Christmas
[10:19] <djk_> jpatrick: thanks :)  just played jazz jackrabbit 2 yesterday and it was fun :)
[10:19] <hunika> jpatrick: I see that is quite slow right?
[10:19] <Knowerrors> wonder if anyone in here runs arcade emulators on kubuntu, like mame...
[10:20] <jpatrick> hunika: not quite slow...
[10:20] <jpatrick> VERY slow
[10:20] <djk_> hunika: jpatrick's pc is perfect for old games
[10:20] <hunika> jpatrick: And you use Kubuntu breezy?
[10:20] <jpatrick> djk_: it's KGoldrunner
[10:20] <jpatrick> hunika: yep
[10:20] <jpatrick> was on Dapper
[10:20] <djk_> jpatrick: yea thanks, it's installed :)
[10:21] <jpatrick> until something important broke
[10:21] <djk_> does anyone here use dosbox?
[10:21] <SpentCasing> how do i install a python script?
[10:22] <voicu> i installed XFCE by compiling the sources but it doesn't appear in the 'session type' menu (at logon)
[10:22] <djk_> seth_k: are there any good gui's for it? the ones mentioned on the dosbox site are not that nice..
[10:22] <jpatrick> SpentCasing: ?
[10:22] <jpatrick> run it
[10:22] <voicu> how do i add it to the menu?
[10:22] <hunika> jpatrick: And I was affraid of installing kubuntu cos it is so new, and as I heard windows vista needs a powerhouse so I thought that kubuntu is the sam
[10:22] <hunika> e
[10:22] <seth_k> djk_, I haven't found one :(
[10:23] <jpatrick> python <script name>
[10:23] <SpentCasing> jpatrick: well i downloaded a tarball, and it came with 2 folders and a python script, what do i do with it?
[10:23] <chaoticgeek> do I have to use firefox with klik?
[10:23] <djk_> seth_k: :( i don't know how to use dosbox in cli
[10:23] <LeeJunFan> ugh! if you mount /home somewhere in a dir with -o bind, don't rm -rf that dir. :(
[10:24] <djk_> seth_k: i can't type a :  and the gui's for windows won't let me set higher cycles..
[10:24] <seth_k> djk_, yeah. I dunno, I just use it for a couple programs and they didn't require much tweaking
[10:26] <djk_> mmh, i'm tempted to use freedos with qemu..
[10:26] <Knowerrors> whats a good sensor package for kde?  (for cpu load, memory, temperature... etc)
[10:27] <voicu> how do i logon with another window manager (xfce)?
[10:27] <jpatrick> Knowerrors: superkaramba themes
[10:29] <Knowerrors> jpatrick: what about non superkarambe, like just for the regular tray?
[10:29] <SpentCasing> jpatrick: well that was simple enough, thx man
[10:31] <apachelogger> voicu: there's a button in kdm where you can choose the session type to start
[10:31] <Tallia1Kubuntu> hi there
[10:31] <tsb> whoa
[10:31] <tsb> throttling the cpu froze my computer
[10:31] <Tallia1Kubuntu> how katapult scan folder to find applications?
[10:31] <tsb> tried again, now it worked
[10:31] <voicu> apachelogger: it doesn't appear there, that's the problem
[10:31] <apachelogger> voicu: than it's probably not properly installed
[10:32] <Tallia1Kubuntu> how katapult scan folder to find applications?
[10:32] <Tallia1Kubuntu> or better which are the folder that it scans?
[10:32] <apachelogger> Tallia1Kubuntu: konsole -> echo $PATH
[10:32] <apachelogger> though it's just a guess
[10:33] <SpentCasing> !sources
[10:33] <SpentCasing> !restricted
[10:33] <SpentCasing> hmmm, used to work
[10:33] <sampan> !restrictedformats
[10:34] <sampan> ubotu isn't here ;)
[10:34] <SpentCasing> i see
[10:34] <voicu> apachelogger: could you give me a hint what to try? i installed by compiling each package. i didn't get any errors
[10:34] <SpentCasing> i get no sound in flash, anyone remember the wiki?
[10:34] <chaoticgeek> you could use the search button on the wiki.ubuntu.org
[10:35] <SpentCasing> k thx
[10:35] <sampan> tallia1kubuntu  iirc katapault only finds applications that have a kde .desktop file -- it won't find all applications, not even all those in your $PATH
[10:35] <chaoticgeek> but I do remember hearing something about flash not working
[10:35] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i see sampan
[10:36] <Tallia1Kubuntu> but tell me wise man
[10:36] <Tallia1Kubuntu> where the *.desktop files are located
[10:36] <SpentCasing> that sux, richard pryor just died :(
[10:36] <apachelogger> /usr/share/applications/kde
[10:36] <sampan> you can try locate <appname>.desktop to find them
[10:37] <apachelogger> Tallia1Kubuntu: and it's probably not searching the files it self ;-)
[10:39] <sampan> according to what one of the devs told me, when i asked about katapault a while back, katapault won't even find all apps that have a .desktop file -- the .desktop file has to be in KDE format, so it won't find them if they're in gnome or other formats
[10:39] <deadlogger> then I know
[10:39] <sampan> what the differences are, i have no clue
[10:39] <deadlogger> it's just asking syscoca ;-)
[10:39] <Delvien> Hey anyone know the command to upgrade a distro?
[10:39] <Delvien> someone said it earlier
[10:40] <zaventh> from apt-get?
[10:40] <Delvien> aye
[10:40] <zaventh> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[10:40] <Delvien> if i do that , what exactly will it do?
[10:41] <Delvien> i dont wanna go and do it and find out that it will break my build
[10:41] <zaventh> well, it shouldn't, but it will install the latest packages of everything you have installed
[10:42] <Delvien> will it install kde 3.5?
[10:42] <Delvien> nm it didnt install anything hehe
[10:44] <deadlogger> actually the repo has to be adapted ;-)
[10:44] <deadlogger> to get 3.5 just add it's repo -> http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-35.php
[10:44] <ClayG> How hard is it to set up a webserver?
[10:44] <ClayG> Fairly easy with ubuntu?
[10:45] <zaventh> about as easy as anything else
[10:45] <ClayG> lol, really?
[10:46] <zaventh> just install apache and edit the config file
[10:46] <wade> hh
[10:46] <wade> hi
[10:46] <zaventh> im sure there are several articles on it..
[10:46] <deadlogger> ClayG: for configurations you can use webmin and it's apache module
[10:47] <ClayG> nice I've been wanted to set up a webserver on my local network
[10:48] <Coolio10> hi
[10:49] <skudkiller> bonsoir, petit souci avec kde 3.5 et amule lowid ??
[10:50] <Insomniac-> did you forward the ports?
[10:50] <Coolio10> quel est votre problme?
[10:50] <_dirk> mmm
[10:50] <Coolio10> vous avez un LAN
[10:50] <skudkiller> oui, avant kde 3.5 j'etais en highid
[10:50] <_dirk> installing hostap drivers
[10:51] <_dirk> anyone expericed with it?
[10:51] <skudkiller> et maintenant je suis en low id
[10:51] <skudkiller> les ports sont ouvert dans le router
[10:52] <Coolio10> avez-vous install des programmes qui emploient l'Internet?
[10:52] <skudkiller> non
[10:52] <deadlogger> you know that the strangest thing is that I nearly understand skudkiller O.o
[10:52] <skudkiller> so am i
[10:53] <Coolio10> un certain programme sur votre ordinateur bloque les ports
[10:54] <skudkiller> comment voir lekel ?
[10:54] <Coolio10> ou vous avez un raccordement lent ou quelque chose le rendant lent
[10:55] <skudkiller> rien n'a chang apart la mise a jour de kde
[10:55] <Coolio10> je n'ai pas le kde encore mais recherche un programme qui vous laisse voir les raccordements entrants et sortants
[10:56] <Coolio10> les thats impairs puis, peut-tre la mise  jour installe plus de programmes qui exigent votre raccordement et ralentit l'emule vers le bas
[10:56] <skudkiller> ok je vais voir comment sur le site , merci @+
[10:57] <Coolio10> Aucun problme et moi ne suis rellement franais.  J'utilise un traducteur.
[10:58] <Coolio10> anyone here?
[10:58] <_frank> Coolio10: va a #kubuntu-fr pour discuter en francois
[10:58] <_frank> Coolio10: you're using a translator?
[10:58] <_frank> francais
[10:58] <Coolio10> yes
[10:58] <Coolio10> i wanted to help
[10:59] <Coolio10> ill go in french one to help lol
[11:05] <tomsdimension> i installed the server installation of ubuntu, now how do i install kubuntu dapper (what are the repositories for kubuntu dapper)??
[11:06] <apachelogger> just change breezy or what ever to dapper
[11:07] <apachelogger> then apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[11:07] <apachelogger> that will install all kde packages
[11:08] <JDStone> how do I use the kubuntu memtest86+ program?
[11:10] <tomsdimension> apachelogger, it doesnt work cuz it says it has missing dependencies that cant be downloaded
[11:11] <apachelogger> tomsdimension: if you change all repos to dapper?
[11:11] <tomsdimension> do i have to install kubuntu first? cuz i installed the server version of ubuntu
[11:11] <nitsuj> Can somebody tell me where to go to figure out how to format and add a second hard drive for Kubuntu?
[11:11] <tomsdimension> nitsuj, the second hd should be hdb and it should come up with you are installing kubuntu
[11:12] <nitsuj> I installed Kubuntu on my other hard drive but I want to use it as storage.
[11:12] <apachelogger> tomsdimension: kubuntu is just ubuntu with kde
[11:12] <apachelogger> so you can change from kubuntu to ubuntu and vice versa without problems
[11:13] <tomsdimension> apachelogger, i know which is why i am wondering why i get the error  Package akode is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[11:13] <apachelogger> O.o
[11:13] <tomsdimension> actually, i copied and pasted the new dapper repositories from the ubuntu website
[11:14] <nitsuj> I need to have my second HD with 1 partition and able to use it for storage.
[11:14] <apachelogger> tomsdimension: http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=akode&searchon=names&subword=1&version=dapper&release=all
[11:15] <roy> hi, i have an iso that I want to emulate so the comp thinks its really on a cd, I know how to do it on windows but not on linux
[11:15] <tomsdimension> eeh screw it, i'll just download the iso
[11:15] <nitsuj> How can I make this 1 partition to use for storage?
[11:15] <nitsuj>    Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
[11:15] <nitsuj> /dev/hda1   *           1        9541    76638051   83  Linux
[11:15] <nitsuj> /dev/hda2            9542        9729     1510110    5  Extended
[11:15] <nitsuj> /dev/hda5            9542        9729     1510078+  82  Linux swap / Solaris
[11:16] <tomsdimension> nitsuj, so you dont know how to partition your second hd?
[11:16] <tomsdimension> nitsuj, type in cfdisk /dev/hdb
[11:17] <nitsuj> thanks
[11:17] <nitsuj> Fatal error can not acces drive
[11:17] <tomsdimension> nitsuj, hmm, i got the samething
[11:18] <nitsuj> When I type just fdisk I get this Unable to open /dev/hdb
[11:20] <tomsdimension> nitsuj, type in sudo cfdisk /dev/hdb
[11:20] <djk_> roy: http://www.techspot.com/vb/topic483.html
[11:20] <tomsdimension> you need root priveleges
[11:21] <tomsdimension> you need to create the partition and specify what type you want
[11:21] <nitsuj> there we go... now...
[11:21] <nitsuj> hmm
[11:21] <tomsdimension> nitsug, say new and select the max space (the default number)
[11:21] <tomsdimension> then exit cfdisk
[11:23] <tomsdimension> nitsuj, got it?
[11:23] <nitsuj> hmmm... I think so. let me see
[11:23] <tomsdimension> do you know how to format with the filesystem that you want?
[11:24] <nitsuj> there we go... now...
[11:24] <tomsdimension> here is how you would format with ext3 mke2fs -j /dev/hdb1
[11:24] <tomsdimension> or /dev/hdb
[11:25] <tomsdimension> not quite sure which way with just one partition
[11:25] <tomsdimension> then mount it to a directory like mount /dev/hdb(1) /mnt/otherhd
[11:26] <nitsuj> ext3 command not found
[11:26] <tomsdimension> if you want it to mount automatically when you boot, you need to add it to your /etc/fstab file
[11:26] <tomsdimension> no, dont put ext3 in
[11:26] <tomsdimension> just type "mke2fs -j /dev/hdb1"
[11:27] <tomsdimension> if that doest work, try putting sudo before the command
[11:27] <nitsuj> works
[11:27] <zaventh> anyone here know php well?
[11:27] <nitsuj> now to mount
[11:28] <tomsdimension> make a directory somewhere you'd like to mount that hd
[11:28] <tomsdimension> i traditionally like: /mnt/somedirectory but ubuntu likes to stick everything under /media/somedirectory
[11:30] <tomsdimension> get it mounted?
[11:30] <nitsuj> hmmm... says mount: mount point /mnt/otherhd does not exist
[11:30] <freeman2411> can someone help me how i can play dvd movies optimal
[11:30] <freeman2411> with best image quality?
[11:30] <tomsdimension> freeman2411, i would look under www.ubuntuguide.org
[11:31] <zaventh> sudo mkdir /mnt/otherhd
[11:31] <tomsdimension> that is old but can be useful
[11:31] <tomsdimension> nitsuj, you have to make the mount folder first
[11:32] <nitsuj> Hmmm... make a mount folder?
[11:32] <tomsdimension> yes, are you familier with mounting drives under linux?
[11:32] <tomsdimension> drives are mounted to a directory/folder
[11:32] <chope> hi, im trying to change a folders owner by 'sudo chown chope. folder' and I get chown: operation not permitted, i've tried with files and i get the same msg, what am i doing wrong
[11:32] <chope> ?
[11:32] <nitsuj> Nope... linux user x3 weeks. hehe. But said goodbye to Windows forever.
[11:33] <freeman2411> ok which player you are usig
[11:33] <freeman2411> using
[11:33] <tomsdimension> nitsuj, there arent drive letters like windows
[11:33] <tomsdimension> nitsuj, do you have an aim or yahoo im address?
[11:34] <nitsuj> I have msn
[11:34] <tomsdimension> hmm, nm, i just want to get out of the way of the other people in this room
[11:34] <Xemanth^> what about google talk?
[11:34] <Xemanth^> or dude... icq :|
[11:35] <tomsdimension> i dont have either
[11:35] <nitsuj> Well I know I got the hard part done. I know I read somewhere about the mounting
[11:35] <tomsdimension> anyway, nitsuj, drives are mounted under a directory rather than a letter like winblows
[11:35] <mister_roboto> tomsdimension, why not just go to some random irc name?
[11:36] <chope> Does anyone know?
[11:36] <tomsdimension> nitsuj, go to room #tomtomtom
[11:37] <Hobbsee> chope: i think you want "sudo chown chope.chope folder"
[11:37] <mister_roboto> tomsdimension: just an fyi, you can also use "/msg <name>" to start a private conversation
[11:37] <tomsdimension> mister_roboto, well it says private messages arent allowed for some reason
[11:37] <Hobbsee> !register
[11:38] <Hobbsee> tomsdimension: you need to register first
[11:38] <Hobbsee>  /msg nickserv help register
[11:38] <chope> Hobbsee: I get the same thing
[11:38] <Hobbsee> chope: hmmm
[11:39] <zaventh> chope.. sudo chown chope:chope folder ?
[11:40] <chope> i think its a fstab problem
[11:40] <chope> y wanted to change mountpoints and replaced 'default' with /mnt/c in the drive
[11:40] <chope> I wanted..
[11:41] <chope> And after that it dissapeared from media:/
[11:41] <chope> could that be related?
[11:42] <hunika> raphink: Are you there?
[11:42] <raphink> yep
[11:42] <raphink> as long as you ping me namely I can be there ;)
[11:42] <hunika> raphink: I have successfully installed kde 3.5 xine and everything
[11:42] <raphink> great :)
[11:42] <hunika> but kaffeine needs some decoders
[11:42] <raphink> good job you did
[11:43] <raphink> w32codecs if you wanna watch some weird formats ;)
[11:43] <djk_> raphink: which codecs does w32codecs contain?
[11:43] <hunika> raphink: How can I get those?
[11:44] <raphink> djk_: mpg, wmv, avi and others of the kind I think
[11:44] <djk_> avi is just a container..
[11:44] <raphink> !restrictedformats
[11:44] <djk_> there's no bot atm
[11:45] <raphink> ah ok
[11:45] <raphink> ;)
[11:45] <djk_> at least not in here..
[11:45] <hunika> raphink: where can I get w32 codecs????
[11:45] <chope> anybody knows if changing the 'defaults' options to 'rw' in fstab can lead to that chown problem?
[11:45] <raphink> look on the wiki hunika
[11:45] <hunika> what is that?
[11:46] <chope> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu
[11:46] <raphink> http://wiki.ubuntu.com
[11:46] <zaventh> chope: most probably
[11:46] <zaventh> part of the "defaults" is "rw" option anyway
[11:47] <hunika> raphink: I could not find w32 codecs there
[11:47] <raphink> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[11:48] <hunika> thanks
[11:48] <chope> ok ill change it back to "defaults" and see what happens with chown..thank you all who answered
[11:48] <chope> (ps: i may be back!)
[11:49] <hunika> raphink:  It is beeing donwloaded :)
[11:49] <raphink> cool
[11:49] <hunika> raphink: I am getting used to Linux
[11:49] <hunika> :D
[11:50] <hunika> I managed to install KDE 3.5 alone without your help
[11:50] <hunika> :)
[11:50] <raphink> heh you're on your way to independence on linux ;)
[11:50] <zaventh> google is a linux user's best friend
[11:50] <hunika> :) Yes definately I am
[11:50] <raphink> and to be able to help others, too :)
[11:51] <hunika> I installed firefox, it is so fast
[11:51] <raphink> I don't like firefox personaly
[11:51] <raphink> well on Mac or Windows I do
[11:51] <raphink> but not on my box
[11:53] <hunika> Why?
[11:53] <hunika> I think konqueror is not better than firefox
[11:53] <hunika> it is slower
[11:55] <raphink> well for what I do with my browser, I wouldn't use firefox
[11:55] <raphink> I need ftp, ssh and more all the time
[11:55] <raphink> and to split my windows in parts
[11:56] <raphink> with different protocols in different parts
[11:56] <raphink> so I wouldn't change my konqueror for FF
[11:57] <hunika> I understand
[11:57] <hunika> I use both of them
[11:57] <hunika> And I just simply surf the web
[11:57] <hunika> I would like to have a winamp base skin for xmms
[11:58] <hunika> where can I get something like that
[11:58] <raphink> I don't like xmms either
[11:58] <raphink> hehe
[11:58] <hunika> I like it is like winamp
[11:58] <raphink> on the xmms site I guess
[11:58] <chope> well, hi again, i replaced fstab with the backup but chown is still giving 'Operation not permitted', and drives are still missing from media:/
[11:59] <raphink> chope: what would you run your chown on?
[11:59] <chope> raphink: on a folder
[12:00] <raphink> what folder ?
[12:00] <chope> mp3
[12:00] <raphink> well I mean is it a folder you own already?
[12:00] <chope> its owned by root
[12:00] <raphink> did you use sudo ?
[12:01] <hunika> raphink: I am installing w32codecs
[12:01] <chope> yes
[12:01] <raphink> what did you get ?
[12:01] <zaventh> chope: is that like a folder on your windows drive or something?
[12:01] <chope> yes
[12:02] <zaventh> ah, that is the problem then
[12:02] <zaventh> its NTFS?
[12:02] <chope> is it fstab?
[12:02] <chope> no fat32
[12:02] <zaventh> oh
[12:02] <raphink> hehe
[12:02] <hunika> raphink: Kaffeine is not working. Does not play anything. I have installed xine and codecs too. Now I can not get an error message
[12:03] <raphink> what does it say?
[12:03] <hunika> rpahink: Absolutely nothing
[12:03] <zaventh> paste the fstab line for that drive
[12:03] <raphink> hunika: what file did you play?
[12:04] <hunika> raphink: mp9
[12:04] <hunika> sorry
[12:04] <hunika> mp3
[12:04] <chope> i didnt have any problem in hoary then i try to update but i ruined the kernel so i formatted and installed breezy from the cd and since then, i wasnt able to write to my fat drives