=== ubuntulog [n=ubuntulo@port49.ds1-van.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #kubuntu === Topic for #kubuntu: Fix a beastie for Kubuntu Hug Day, #ubuntu-bugs | Dapper Flight 1 http://tinyurl.com/d5gfk | KDE 3.5 is out http://tinyurl.com/dlrf9 | Breezy fixes in breezy-updates | Unofficial Kubuntu FAQ http://kudos.berlios.de | Please don't paste into the channel: use http://kubuntu.pastebin.com | IRC info and channels in other languages: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/InternetRelayChat === Topic (#kubuntu): set by Hobbsee at Fri Dec 2 13:30:04 2005 === #kubuntu [freenode-info] If you're at a conference, please contact freenode staff to make sure we've made special allowance for many users coming into our network from a single internet address ( http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#gettinghelp ). Private messages from unregistered users are currently blocked, except to network staff, services and participating registered users ( http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#privmsg )... Thanks! [12:33] (_james_/#kubuntu) ohh i dont know about live CD's im afraid [12:34] (_james_/#kubuntu) probs only start chaning stuff like that on a full install [12:34] ok [12:34] <_james_> unless you do something like this at the start... [12:34] Coolio10: /etc/xorg.conf [12:34] <_james_> linux screen=1024x768 [12:34] <_james_> instead of just pressing enter to boot [12:35] so if i made another partition for example G because i have windows installed on partition c would windows ask me to choose which one on startup or will it only choose the linux one by default [12:35] because i would still need windows [12:36] Coolio10: the (k)ubuntu installer will install a bootloader for you, where you can choose either windows or kubuntu [12:36] <_james_> nah if its installed then there is a config file [12:36] <_james_> you can normaly select it as easy as you can in windows [12:37] <_james_> but if not just change a few lines in a file and you will get it :) [12:37] can you run windows apps in kubuntu? [12:37] DrGayus: look into wine (http://winehq.org/) [12:38] Coolio10: grub (the linux bootloader) will ask you which OS you want to use each session [12:38] <_james_> so guys how come KDE of Gnome? [12:38] hey, wasn't karamba supposed to be integrated into 3.5? was it removed in the kubuntu packages? [12:39] troy: it's now apt-get-able === PhantomsDad [n=gary@konversation/developer/PhantomsDad] has joined #kubuntu === demon71 [n=demon@c-24-20-146-202.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu [12:40] Coolio10: windows will do its best to deny linux exists. linux will let you choose what you want to do :) === spola [n=fstr@kotnet-160.kulnet.kuleuven.be] has joined #kubuntu [12:41] does anyone know much about the program apollon? [12:41] DrGayus: apt-get install wine [12:41] Coolio10: I had a dual-boot machine at school, and hte guy I had to share it with once wiped out linux because windoze told him it was free space. [12:41] DrGayus: I've had no problems with it [12:41] <_james_> lol [12:41] awesome === Kentaur [n=Kentaur@216-138-254.0101.adsl.tele2.no] has joined #kubuntu [12:41] one more q... :P === _hettar [n=hettar@ppp102-172.lns1.bne1.internode.on.net] has joined #kubuntu [12:42] i got a 2wire dsl router/modem connected by usb,... and the usb driver i got is for windows only... what can i do? === Kentaur [n=Kentaur@216-138-254.0101.adsl.tele2.no] has left #kubuntu ["Kopete] [12:43] usb internet? o.0 yuck. hmm. I've never had to deal with those things [12:43] DrGayus: if it's got an ethernet port on it, use that instead -- or cross your fingers (I've had USB modems work before) === _kay [n=kay@p54A3A7EA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu [12:44] so if i install ubuntu or kubuntu grub will automatically install with it and let me choose which system i want to boot? [12:44] Coolio10: yes. [12:44] Coolio10: indeed [12:44] <_james_> aye [12:44] Hi. If a user is installing kubuntu, would it make sense they would install a package named kttsd_3.5.0-0ubuntu0breezy1_i386.deb (note "ubuntu" in name)? [12:44] also will ubuntu create a partition for me if i didnt do it manually === PaloDeQueso [n=douglas@pcp05068167pcs.lwrswt01.pa.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu [12:45] PhantomsDad: that's an accessibility package, optional I'd assume [12:45] Coolio10: the install cd has that option yes [12:45] PhantomsDad: may as well just apt-get it - you dont need to get the separate .deb for it === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #kubuntu [12:45] <_james_> is anyone using 64bit kb? Im still on 32bit with my 3200 64bit chip, is it worth going up? [12:45] thanks for all the help guys! [12:45] bye [12:45] Coolio10: it'll give you several choices about where to install. you do have free unpartitioned space, right? [12:45] ill come again when i get bored [12:46] <_james_> c ya cool @) [12:46] I'm not kubuntu user (I am debian user). Someone is reporting the package is really hosed. Where would I download it from? [12:46] Because of the fact that I can't seem to download random deb packages because of ubuntu's naming conventions for packages, is there more repositories that I can add that anyone knows of? [12:46] _james_: I'm using amd64 kubuntu, it works as expected with one major exception: flash [12:46] <_james_> Im a web designer :( [12:46] i have 51GB so i wouldnt worry [12:47] _james_: you can get it to work, but it's a real PITA [12:47] <_james_> thats kinda a essential [12:47] <_james_> dammit [12:47] <_james_> btw how to i only talk to you. im new to irc :( dont wana flood the room while asking about 64 bit [12:47] _james_: /query troy [12:47] _james_: are you talking about the plugin for browsing or creating flash things? [12:48] <_james_> both, i need be able to test other peoples sites [12:48] The total size of my 1 C partition is 153GB And i have 52GB Free [12:48] _james_: doesn't seem like flooding to me :) I like to listen in on this stuff [12:48] <_james_> while trying to get flash development migrated from wine apps to native linux apps [12:48] <_james_> oh ill do open then :) [12:48] <_james_> is it that much faster? [12:48] because I believe you just add multiverse to your repositories... then install mozilla-flash-plugin to view them, and on kde-apps.org there's a flash editor for kde that is pretty much a clone of macromedias [12:48] Can anyone help with a Apollon question or other P2P software [12:49] PaloDeQueso: yeah, except flash plugin doesn't work in amd64 [12:49] PaloDeQueso: you have to set up a 32bit chroot and such, big hassle [12:49] oh damn [12:49] and for the person who asked why is kubuntu so good then ubunta i only use it because it seems easier for a noob like me and more friendly aswell:-) [12:49] <_james_> well my office is my main pc (64bit) dual screen i use for codding but i have my laptop next to me, if the speed increase was worth it i could always do flash on the lappy... [12:49] I didn't realize [12:50] well, did any one read the eWeek article on osnews? [12:50] 64bit isn't a huge increase in most cases [12:50] <_james_> did not know you could chroot to diffrent bit numbers :S [12:50] Can noone tell me where to download kttsd_3.5.0-0ubuntu0breezy1_i386.deb or shall I just tell user kubuntu sucks. [12:50] PhantomsDad: it is one of the official unofficial KDE 3.5 packages for Breezy. you can get them at http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde35 [12:50] <_james_> oh rite :( [12:50] hugelmopf: thanks [12:50] PhantomsDad: what kind of attitude is that? [12:50] about the conference to bring together a lot of things in the linux projects. [12:50] PhantomsDad: have you googled for it? [12:50] like there's now a committe of people from kde and gnome working together. [12:51] _james_: you can run 32bit programs on 64 bit mode if you have all the 32bit libs installed that it requires [12:51] _james_: for example, opera (which is 32bit only) runs just fine out-of-the-box on my amd64 system [12:52] <_james_> I do want to convert, if not for speed then for the sake of supporting advancing open source testing, as im an active advocate of the movement but this is my work and my business and if its still to unstable then i will have probs! [12:52] <_james_> is that just a case of using 32 bit repositories? do you need to overide the conflict warnings? [12:52] will a 32bit program run fine on the 64bit version of linux? [12:52] neoncode: yes, if all libraries it needs are installed in 32bit as well. [12:52] _james_: stay with the 32 bit install -- the only places you'd find really big gains is for memory intensive programs that do video encoding, for example [12:53] <_james_> ok thanks for the advice :) [12:53] neoncode: currently the 32bit-on-64bit for *ubuntu is a bit awkward - not something I'd recommend to someone new to linux [12:54] <_james_> ill stick to 32 for now i think untill its a bit more usefull [12:54] <_james_> quite intrested in using gentoo on 64bit mode, in theory it would be very very very fast [12:54] I've heard rumblings that they are trying to come up with a better way to do 32bit on 64bit for dapper - but I don't have any real information to back it up... [12:54] _james_: everything works in theory :) [12:54] <_james_> lol [12:54] _james_: 64bit does not mean "twice as fast" - it means larger memory registers [12:55] <_james_> sorry that i cant reply privately and have to reply openly btw its because im not registered, i dont use irc [12:55] i prefer to save time by not compiling at all [12:55] <_james_> lol troy im aware ;) but I can live in hope it means twice as fast :P [12:55] which can sometimes translate to faster, but not always - most apps are at most 5% faster [12:55] then, there's always prelinking [12:56] <_james_> maybe i will just go over to 64 bit ubuntu, then overclock and pretend :) [12:56] prelinking is silly - for the few seconds I save on boot, I introduce binary incompatibilities -- not worth it [12:57] i tried prelinking, and got sick of it [12:57] <_james_> only ever done it outside of ubuntu [12:57] <_james_> would not dream of it now, dont wana upset apt [12:58] do you recon I should shell out for a 64bit processer then? [12:59] neoncode: personally, if the choice is between 32bit and 64bit and the price difference is not huge, go 64bit (you don't lose anything - you can always install the 32bit distro) [12:59] <_james_> may as well, its going to be standard in 12-18 months [12:59] neoncode: if you have gobs of money, try the 64bit duel core for lots of fun :) [12:59] <_james_> aye thats what i have done troy [01:00] <_james_> only the single core tho :( [01:00] 64bit dual core - why, what are the advantages? [01:00] neoncode: twice as fast :P two CPU's on one chip [01:00] <_james_> better looking box on the retail version ;) [01:00] that too :) [01:00] how much would the latest AMD 64 bit dual core cost? in GBP if possible? === troy doesn't know GBP [01:01] <_james_> they cost about 500 quid [01:01] <_james_> << troy: GBP = Great British Pounds [01:01] i.e. more than a kick in the bollocks [01:01] <_james_> quid = Great British Pounds (Sterling) [01:01] :( [01:01] <_james_> ;) === tommycw_ [n=tommycw@166-167-114-200.fibertel.com.ar] has left #kubuntu ["Konversation] [01:02] =D [01:02] <_james_> ebuyer seems to have the best prices tho their service sucks [01:02] yeah, ebuyer are good when they're not messing you around [01:02] <_james_> i recommend ording one of their sata drives, they screwed my order and sent me a 370 xeon :D [01:02] good evening btw [01:02] can anyone help me with installing java on kubuntu breezy [01:02] haha [01:02] !javadeb [01:02] hmm... javadebs is Sun Java debs packaged for breezy are at http://www.giannaros.org/public/breezydebs/ === Xorlev [n=xorlev@unaffiliated/xorlev] has joined #kubuntu [01:03] <_james_> my 3.2 (single core 64bit) was 120 i think [01:03] Are athalon's the best? [01:03] <_james_> expensive, but no where near the dual core price [01:03] <_james_> personal prefrence, i think they are [01:03] neoncode: I'd agree, personal preference [01:04] <_james_> its kinda a linux vrs windows argument when it comes to intel vrs amd [01:04] Are the althalon(sp?) chips dual-core? and 64bit? [01:04] ubotu: so i went there but you gotta remember im retarted, what to do when im there? [01:04] I'm sorry, i don't know what you're talking about, demon71 === Rayman__ [n=Rayman@YYYCD.dsl.saunalahti.fi] has joined #kubuntu [01:04] <_james_> althalon no, X2 yes, samperon kinda :S mix of 32 and 64 bit cores [01:05] ok WTF is a turion? [01:05] demon71: ubotu is a robot [01:05] !ubotu [01:05] neoncode: the mobile 64 bit AMD processor [01:05] Yep, that's me! I'm a bot alright. Read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbotuUsage to find out how to use me. Do NOT play with me in any channel. [01:05] <_james_> cheep version of the ath i think [01:05] _james_: no! [01:05] good to know.... [01:05] thanks [01:05] <_james_> oh rite lol, i bow to hugel's superior chip knowlege lol [01:05] get an X2 if you can afford it -- it's freakin' sweet! [01:06] what about a: AMD athlon 64 FX? [01:06] or is X2 better? [01:06] <_james_> damit stop googling chip names ;P [01:06] _james_: I went on the AMD website [01:06] <_james_> x2 is better FX is more for home use, X2 is high end work stations [01:06] What about for gameing? [01:07] <_james_> lol neon, damn the internet [01:07] <_james_> FX supposed to be better for games [01:07] :P [01:07] neoncode: not all games are written to take advantage of multiple cores yet though [01:07] and is the FX dual core? [01:07] <_james_> your the one on amd.com you tell us! :P [01:07] Hey I don;t know [01:07] mm. amd. [01:08] <_james_> i think so ;) [01:08] HyperTransport technology... Oooo I wonder where they got that name from [01:08] <_james_> erm if your suggestion that they stole it from intel its actauly the other way around [01:09] <_james_> they have had it for years but made a big deal of it after intel started with it too and were advertising it as if it was something new lol [01:09] _james_: Oooo === demon71 [n=demon@c-24-20-146-202.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has left #kubuntu [] [01:09] I know nothing about this sort of thing [01:09] >_< [01:09] <_james_> As a linux user i think we should use AMD, because intel is so far up MS' A$$ [01:10] Can you swear on this chanel? [01:10] probably against channel usage guidelines [01:10] <_james_> duno, never realy had to try [01:10] anyway, moveing on! [01:10] depends how "Official" this channel is [01:11] <_james_> dont intend to either, i dont consider ass a bad word :S [01:11] <_james_> aye... lol [01:11] oh with linux it's nvidia>ATi right? [01:11] <_james_> yea linux is nvidia and amd [01:11] <_james_> windows is ATI and intel [01:11] My current computer is ATi and intel... === Sastkryptlox [n=Sastkryp@102.29.97-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #kubuntu [01:11] <_james_> least officaly thats how it stands, dont know how that holds up in the 'feild' [01:12] Well i'm going to build a new compter and I definalty think i'm going with AMD and Nvidia [01:12] I've kubuntu on my ibook, powerpc.... At the begining it suspend ok when I close the computer.... but now, it doesn't suspend :S I don't know what happen :S apmd is running and I don't modify any configuration of the apm [01:12] <_james_> better driver support that way around as far as i know [01:13] my ATI pci express board works fine with ATI supplied drivers, even on amd64 [01:13] <_james_> anyway its 12:12 and i aint spending my whole friday night being a geek :) night guys [01:13] I'm not going to bed untill 5 AM [01:13] ;) [01:13] they are definately doing a lot better now - about equal in support to nvidia - still a little anal retentive though :) [01:13] anyone know why sed 's/\?//' doesn't remove the ? characters? [01:13] <_james_> lol nerds with coffee, what a combo [01:13] <_james_> bye lol [01:13] I don't realy like coffee [01:13] tea is better [01:13] mmm coffee [01:14] and tea! === _tommycw [n=tommycw@166-167-114-200.fibertel.com.ar] has joined #kubuntu === _tommycw [n=tommycw@166-167-114-200.fibertel.com.ar] has left #kubuntu ["Konversation] === Coolio10 [n=Coolio10@CPE0040ca74d9df-CM000a739b54a4.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #kubuntu [01:14] lqb: sorry, i am not ignoring you, but i don't have a ibook, thus no answer. [01:15] uhm :( ok... thanks [01:15] hi again === kalenedrael [n=kalene@c-24-34-72-14.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu [01:15] Hey, micro$oft -finaly- got round to doing a 64bit version of windows, how long ago did linux have 64bit? === pitito [n=pitito@201.209.171.143] has joined #kubuntu === Insom- is now known as Insomniac- === demon71 [n=demon@c-24-20-146-202.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu [01:17] can anyone help with adept problem? [01:17] demon71: What now? [01:18] i added a bad repos and adept wont open now. [01:18] how can i have when i plug in my mp3 player an icon appears on the desktop ? [01:18] not a repos but a database [01:18] demon71: just reset your sources list? [01:18] sorry [01:19] cool how do i do that [01:19] will anything be lost? [01:19] well any new repos you added yes [01:19] but if it's a database thing then I dunno? [01:19] sudo apt-get update prehaps? [01:19] spola: this should happen automatically in Kubuntu 5.10. does it not? [01:19] the error "The APT Database could not be opened! This may be caused by incorrect APT configuration or something similar. Try running apt-setup and apt-get update in terminal and see if it helps to resolve the problem." [01:20] demon71: Did you try those commands? [01:20] no it doesnt, whats the program called? i know gnome-volume-manager, but whats the kde one? [01:21] when i run those i get, apt-get update- " E: Type 'http://www.giannaros.org/public/breezydebs/' is not known on line 1 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list" [01:21] ok [01:22] demon71: paste your /etc/apt/sources.list file to the paste bin [01:22] spola: how did you install kde? with the kubuntu installer, or with the kubuntu-desktop package, or with the kde packages themselves? [01:23] spola: it's a nice standard usb connection, right? [01:23] i apt-getted kubuntu-desktop package from the before-current-one ubuntu (gnome) === chani had minor trouble with usb drives- they get mounted properly, but konq tries to open the wrong place [01:23] chani, yeah it works no problem in gnome or xp [01:24] I heard my bug is fixed, though.. I just dunno whether the fix is in breezy [01:24] neoncode: ive got /etc/apt/sources.list opened up but how/where do i paste in bin? [01:24] spola: and does the drive show up in media:/ ? [01:24] !pastebin [01:24] methinks pastebin is a site where you can post large texts and screenshots so you don't flood the channel. You can find it at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org === PhantomsDad [n=gary@konversation/developer/PhantomsDad] has left #kubuntu ["Konversation] [01:24] no it doesnt get mounted [01:25] spola: it doesn't show up in /media either? [01:25] it just does nothing? [01:25] chani, excactly [01:25] wait, brb, im gonna restart kde === bigh [n=bigh@80-219-159-222.dclient.hispeed.ch] has left #kubuntu ["Konversation] [01:25] hrm. not the same as my problem then, evil. [01:25] spola: dmesg *might* give some clues === JakubS [n=qba@azk210.internetdsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #kubuntu === Coolio10 [n=Coolio10@CPE0040ca74d9df-CM000a739b54a4.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has left #kubuntu [] === spola [n=fstr@kotnet-160.kulnet.kuleuven.be] has joined #kubuntu [01:28] ok i plugged it in, nothing happened again, but ill check dmsg [01:28] spola: i was not talking about it being mounted in /media, but about it showing up in KDE's "media:/" ioslave, which it can do, even if it is not mounted, i believe. [01:29] oh [01:29] hey cool it's there ! :-) [01:30] no icon on desktop tho [01:30] spola: configure your desktop (rightclick) behaviour to show unmounted devices. [01:30] n when i click it it tries to mount it but it doesnt seem to succeed in doing so [01:30] oh ok [01:31] hmm, i don't know, why it doesn't succeed. === DrGayus [n=none@ppp-69-237-180-40.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net] has joined #kubuntu [01:31] you might need to look at dmesg for that [01:31] bummer, kubuntu install failed... poop... failed install base system... === [Relic] [n=[Relic] @adsl-68-254-165-6.dsl.milwwi.ameritech.net] has joined #kubuntu [01:33] hmm no partition found, aight i think i can handle it from here (fdisk n mkfs.vfat right?) [01:33] sounds right. good luck === hugelmopf [n=frank@p54B393BC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has left #kubuntu [] [01:35] i selected a free partition on a slave disk, format as XFS, mark as bootable, and set to be root " / " , but base system failed to install around 6%... is there something wrong in my partition config? [01:36] Have any of you ever used liquid cooling systems? [01:40] real men submerge their pc in olive oil :p [01:40] DrGayus: well, boot flag is irrelevant to linux iirc, and I've never used XFS (not even sure what fs it is), but I don't see how any of that would make it fail [01:40] how did it fail? [01:40] and how big is the partition? [01:40] its 8.5gb [01:41] at about 6% a red box came up and said 'failed to install base system' and to check bootstrap.log ... [01:41] DrGayus: and what did bootstrap.log say? [01:42] im in windows... and it cant read that partition now... [01:42] spola: I've seen pics of that online, how does that go then? [01:42] <[Relic] > how do I permanently kill bluetooth? aka what is the master list for starting processes? [01:42] i dont know how to view it anyway from linux... [01:42] DrGayus: I'd suggerst booting knoppix or something and looking at the partition then [01:43] oh, ok [01:43] neoncode, A) buy pc B) buy lots of olive oil C) submerge A in B :p [01:43] from there you can read the log, and get back on irc if you have more questions :) [01:44] <[Relic] > ain't popeye gonna get mad if you do that? :) [01:44] k ill try thanks [01:44] spola: lol === gerbman [n=gerb@c-67-162-214-220.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu [01:45] <[Relic] > also doesn't that get your CDs a tad messy? [01:45] I think you have to not submerge your PSU and CD-ROM [01:45] [Relic] : you have your optical and hard drives above the oil, just the mobo is submerged [01:45] [Relic] : I saw something in the config app for starting/stopping serviuces... but I've no idea if that's what you want [01:46] <[Relic] > the fish tank computer set up :) [01:46] whould that actualy work? [01:46] <[Relic] > is it init.d? [01:46] [Relic] : that's part of it. [01:46] I realy need to goto kubuntu-offtopic sometime... [01:47] [Relic] : /etc/init.d is where hte start/stop scripts are stored. something else calls them... in gentoo I use rc-update [01:47] but I'm pretty sure kubuntu doesn't have rc-update [01:47] Oh what's the best grapics chipset to use with linux? [01:48] neoncode: personally, I use nvidia with the proprietary drivers. but I'm not much of a gamer [01:48] chani: I know but should I get the GeForce 7 then? [01:48] neoncode: no idea. can't even remember what I have... 5xxx I think... [01:49] whee, almost 5, I'm outta here === chani [n=chani@S0106000000216644.vf.shawcable.net] has left #kubuntu [] === Fillado [n=fillado@81-179-84-234.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #kubuntu [01:54] neoncode: if you'd like to join #kubuntu-offtopic i'd be glad to yak about cooling techniques [01:55] nalioth: Deal === Fillado [n=fillado@81-179-84-234.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #kubuntu === [Relic] [n=[Relic] @adsl-68-254-165-6.dsl.milwwi.ameritech.net] has left #kubuntu ["Leaving"] === freelove [n=yasser@59.93.243.182] has joined #kubuntu === billytwowilly [n=chris@S0106000c413a2c0c.ed.shawcable.net] has joined #kubuntu === Skrotto [n=magnus@bl068a.studby.ntnu.no] has joined #kubuntu [02:08] Hi. I get "/usr/lib/amarok/amarokapp: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libkjs.so.1: undefined symbol: pcre_free" when I try to start amarok from kubuntu (latest) with kde 3.5 (from kubuntu packages). Any clue? === sorush20 [n=sorush3@82-43-184-143.cable.ubr07.newm.blueyonder.co.uk] has left #kubuntu [] === jocho [n=jocho@pc-200-74-106-20.megavia.pc.metropolis-inter.com] has joined #kubuntu [02:13] Skrotto: do u see ur storage media....just check:) === aroman [n=aroman@CPE00508b49d017-CM00407b87db9d.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #kubuntu [02:21] hi [02:21] my system's developed a weird clock skew [02:22] if I update the clock with ntp it's okay for a few hours, and then the skew becomes noticeable [02:22] ie. now my computer's clock is 21:00 [02:22] aroman: is your PSU ok? [02:22] my clock says 20 past eight ;) [02:22] twenty past eight [02:23] that is very cool === _aroman [n=aroman@CPE00508b49d017-CM00407b87db9d.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #kubuntu === Coolio10 [n=Coolio10@CPE0040ca74d9df-CM000a739b54a4.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #kubuntu [02:28] hi [02:28] which is easier, kubuntu or ubuntu? === _aroman is now known as aroman [02:29] also is grub automatically installed with them both and when you are installing them can you create partitions [02:29] Kubuntu <3 [02:29] which is easier, kubuntu or ubuntu? [02:29] ok [02:29] what you mean? [02:29] Coolio10: both are the same IMO... whichever you like better, KDE or GNOME [02:29] kubuntu! [02:29] but then again, I use a console for most things... [02:29] I don't [02:30] I use Konsole [02:30] How would one go about to remove the enitre KDE from kubuntu (for the purpose of reinstalling it)? [02:30] ;--P [02:30] Coolio10: go for kubuntu....u wont regret it:D [02:30] freelove: whaat?! ;p [02:31] Coolio10: there is no difference, really, ubuntu uses gnome and kubuntu uses kde [02:31] Coolio10: you can have both on your box and use a different one each day [02:32] Skrotto: in a terminal, type "sudo apt-get install --reinstall kubuntu-desktop" [02:32] but I hope you all stay away from gnome!!11 ;---P [02:33] nalioth: Will that *remove* everything and then install, or simply install stuff (rewrite) existing stuff? [02:33] nalioth: uh, that reinstalls dependencies too? :o [02:33] Coolio10: for more choice, you also have xubuntu [02:33] ok, I'm too tired and hungry to be serious or reasonable [02:33] Skrotto: you'll have to open adept and remove everything that starts with "k" to remove everything [02:34] Skrotto: open a terminal and type "man apt-get" and you'll find many options [02:34] thanks [02:35] Skrotto: also, i find synaptic has more features than adept, for this kind of thing === angasule [n=frood@190.48.176.107] has joined #kubuntu [02:35] i see === pqs [n=pqs@ip-82.net-81-220-89.toulouse.rev.numericable.fr] has joined #kubuntu [02:39] is it better to create seperate partiitons for each system or use 1 partition because i heard it doesnt really matter because grub is automatically installed with ubuntu or kubuntu so you can choose both operating systems and both of the systems let you create partiitons during install. [02:42] ubuntu und kubuntu use the same base system.. unless you want to install a different distro as well there's no need for a different / [02:43] should i make windows a different partiiton and ubuntu and kubuntu on theyre own one together? [02:43] that's a must, yes. === pvz [n=pvz@ip116-114-59-62.adsl.versatel.nl] has joined #kubuntu === angasule [n=frood@190.48.176.107] has left #kubuntu [] === chaoticgeek [n=chaoticg@131.183.236.23] has joined #kubuntu === altech2k3 [n=altech2k@24-159-209-9.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com] has joined #kubuntu === bbeck [n=bbeck@12-201-93-110.client.mchsi.com] has joined #kubuntu === altech2k3 [n=altech2k@24-159-209-9.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com] has left #kubuntu ["Leaving"] [02:48] i havent yet installed kubuntu but i am going to make a new partiiton and then install kubuntu but how much space will the partition need because im taking the space from my C Drive [02:48] if you know any good free partition tools it will be great [02:50] gparted, qparted, qtparted, parted.. [02:50] Coolio10: use qtparted for resizing ntfs partitions [02:50] how much space does kubuntu need? [02:51] it depends [02:51] nalioth: isn't gparted better since qtparted hasn't been developed in quite a while? [02:51] you can fit it to 1G or it might need 20G [02:51] i have 52GB Free [02:51] qtparted uses ntfsprogs while gparted does not [02:52] nalioth: you're wrong [02:52] nalioth: http://gparted.sourceforge.net/features.php [02:53] nalioth is never wrong [02:53] well, according to that site he is ;) [02:53] hey may not be exactly right, but he's never wrong :) [02:53] hehe [02:53] LOL === jrattner1 [n=jrattner@uhartford216124.hartford.edu] has joined #kubuntu [02:53] djk_: is that the version of gparted that is in our liveCDs ? [02:54] nalioth: i don't know which version is in the liveCDs, i don't have any liveCDs [02:54] of ubuntu.. [02:54] djk_: then qtparted is a safe answer, since it's had ntfsprogs usability longer than gparted [02:56] why would either be on the live CD? [02:56] maybe on the install [02:56] then again I may not know everything about gt/qtparted [02:57] the more important question is.. does he even have NTFS partitions.. [02:58] if qt/gtparted is for disk partitioning and formatting there wouldnt be much need for it on a LiveCD right? [03:00] that depends. there's always the possibility of need ;) [03:00] gparted comes on the ubu livecd, not sure if qtparted comes on the kubu livecd [03:01] djk_: it is good to assume so, since no shipping windows box has had fat32 in years [03:01] nalioth: btw, gparted had ntfs support since 0.0.7 which was released on 2004-12-04 [03:01] djk_: wow. i did not know that [03:01] i just checked the changelogs :) === chaoticgeek [n=chaoticg@131.183.236.23] has joined #kubuntu [03:03] well Im not doubting that it does..Im just asking why [03:03] and 0.0.9 was just released about 2 weeks ago so the livecd most likely comes with 0.0.8 [03:06] djk_: iirc, nobody could resize their ntfs from the hoary livecd, probably where i got my idears [03:06] weird, hoary should have had 0.0.8 as well.. === BFA|WoRsTeNBoY [i=BFA_WoRs@d54C1DCAF.access.telenet.be] has joined #kubuntu [03:09] kkathman: for example one could want to create a partition for his mp3s or for his games.. thus there'd be a need for it.. === SpentCasing [n=SpentCas@oh-strongsvillecadent1-3c-60.clvhoh.adelphia.net] has joined #kubuntu [03:10] I suppose [03:11] what's on the install-cd? === gerbman [n=gerb@c-67-162-214-220.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has left #kubuntu [] [03:12] you only have live cd? [03:12] i have kubuntu and ubuntu dvd [03:12] no, i meant, which partitioner is on the install-cd. [03:13] i could check quickly [03:15] which does everyone think is better? I mean straight from the core so KDE Or Gnome? [03:15] djk_: ntfsprogs is built into the isntaller [03:15] djk_: i believe the program on the installer is a called partman [03:16] nalioth: do you know if there'll be the possibility of using reiser4 in dapper? [03:16] djk_: i'm not up on their plans [03:17] who would know? [03:18] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperDrake [03:18] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperGoals === chaoticgeek [n=chaoticg@131.183.236.23] has joined #kubuntu === musashiden [n=adrian@pool-162-84-52-100.sal.east.verizon.net] has joined #kubuntu === slyder [n=slyder@pcp0012156751pcs.southk01.tn.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu === ubuntulog [n=ubuntulo@port49.ds1-van.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #kubuntu === Topic for #kubuntu: Fix a beastie for Kubuntu Hug Day, #ubuntu-bugs | Dapper Flight 1 http://tinyurl.com/d5gfk | KDE 3.5 is out http://tinyurl.com/dlrf9 | Breezy fixes in breezy-updates | Unofficial Kubuntu FAQ http://kudos.berlios.de | Please don't paste into the channel: use http://kubuntu.pastebin.com | IRC info and channels in other languages: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/InternetRelayChat === Topic (#kubuntu): set by Hobbsee at Fri Dec 2 13:30:04 2005 === blueyed [n=daniel@i5387D109.versanet.de] has joined #kubuntu === Phazeman [n=Phazeman@mandriva/channel-support/Phazeman] has joined #kubuntu === djk_ [n=djk@p54A2CDEF.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu === Nakkel^ [n=nakkel@vektori.com] has joined #kubuntu === #kubuntu [freenode-info] If you're at a conference, please contact freenode staff to make sure we've made special allowance for many users coming into our network from a single internet address ( http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#gettinghelp ). Private messages from unregistered users are currently blocked, except to network staff, services and participating registered users ( http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#privmsg )... Thanks! === stuart_ [i=user199@135.27.233.220.exetel.com.au] has joined #kubuntu === lonewolff [n=lonewolf@host86-128-133-145.range86-128.btcentralplus.com] has joined #kubuntu === ClayG [n=scdsc@c-66-177-234-195.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu === HiveDrone_ [n=HiveDron@x1-6-00-10-a7-08-8e-f7.k130.webspeed.dk] has joined #kubuntu === sambagirl [n=jazzy@c-24-99-180-216.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu [03:26] (Coolio10/#kubuntu) ive seen a few screenshots of an ubuntu install and when you select a partiiton they are named IDE so how would you know which partition? === raphink [n=raphink@gra86-1-82-239-88-236.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu === timp [n=tim@tpsoft.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #kubuntu === robotgeek_zzz [n=robotgee@ppp-70-252-96-111.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has joined #kubuntu === nalioth [n=Apple@ubuntu/member/pdpc.bronze.nalioth] has joined #kubuntu === Kamping_Kaiser [n=Kaiser@ppp207-221.lns1.adl2.internode.on.net] has joined #kubuntu [03:26] ive seen a few screenshots of an ubuntu install and when you select a partiiton they are named IDE so how would you know which partition? === Hentai^Remote [n=Justin@202.131.162.37.cmts2.guam.net] has joined #kubuntu === |mp| [n=mp@82.153.240.58] has joined #kubuntu === musashiden [n=adrian@pool-162-84-52-100.sal.east.verizon.net] has left #kubuntu [] === _pinucset [n=pinucset@197.Red-80-32-81.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #kubuntu === nmorse [n=nmorse@129.244.128.142] has joined #kubuntu [03:30] Well guys, I finally got around to upgrading my gaming machine and general video use box to Breezy from Hoary. [03:30] Now the monitor won't work at all. [03:30] Every time I start X the monitor goes into powersave mode. === humboldt [n=hugo@toronto-HSE-ppp4260418.sympatico.ca] has joined #kubuntu === laszlok [n=laszlo@134.117.187.134] has joined #kubuntu [03:35] kubuntu or ubuntu? === Gigabite [n=JetShop@cuscon7431.tstt.net.tt] has joined #kubuntu [03:36] Kubuntu. [03:37] For the record, it's a KDS XF7i monitor with a Radeon 9600 video card. [03:38] I'm using the ATI binary drivers. [03:38] is it a fresh install of kubuntu? [03:39] No, an upgrade from Breezy. [03:39] I've got too much stuff on the hard drive to want to do a fresh install. === Coolio10 [n=Coolio10@CPE0040ca74d9df-CM000a739b54a4.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has left #kubuntu [] === seth_k [n=seth@ubuntu/member/sethkinast] has joined #kubuntu === ccc_ [n=ccc@c-bc0f70d5.015-28-6c6b7010.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #kubuntu === geekchic9 [n=morgan@68-187-45-77.dhcp.ftwo.tx.charter.com] has joined #kubuntu === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.25] has joined #kubuntu === viviersf [n=CaiN@dsl-146-118-192.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #kubuntu === _miguel [n=miguel@62.83.167.53] has joined #kubuntu === wotnarg [n=wotnarg@12-218-5-72.client.mchsi.com] has joined #kubuntu === MrBlowtatoes [n=crono@cpe-24-92-71-203.midsouth.res.rr.com] has joined #kubuntu [04:01] Hello, how do i get X to user nvidia-glx? [04:02] erm [04:02] use* [04:02] sudo vi /etc/X11/xorg.conf [04:02] edit the Driver "vesa" in the gfx part of it [04:02] and restart X === seth_k [n=seth@ubuntu/member/sethkinast] has joined #kubuntu [04:03] Heh, i'm very new tolinux, i have kubuntu insatlled, and i am trying to get my nvidia card work, so, how do i do all that? [04:03] mainly the secodn two [04:03] second* [04:04] hi MrBlowtatoes, you'll want to read this page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto [04:04] that's for gnome [04:04] yo seth_k === _frank [n=frank@modemcable135.248-130-66.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #kubuntu [04:04] the people in #ubuntu told me to come here, after giveing me that page [04:05] heya viviersf [04:05] MrBlowtatoes, what kind of nVidia card do you have? [04:05] lol [04:05] Nvidia GeForce FX 5200 128MB [04:05] "a fast one" [04:06] right, then just follow the directions here, word-for-word: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia [04:06] i'm useing it now, but all opengl stuff is REALLY slow [04:06] right [04:06] that binary driver will enable OpenGL [04:06] i can't it tells me to go to menus i don't have [04:06] (right now t's using software emulation) === skypa [n=skypa@d463c231.datahighways.de] has joined #kubuntu [04:06] oh right, b/c you don't use Synaptic [04:06] okay, here's how you do it :) [04:07] lol [04:07] MrBlowtatoes, open Konsole (the terminal) and paste this: kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list [04:08] heh, about 50 warnings poped up [04:08] bute kate opened good [04:09] alright, now look for lines that include a big URL and the word "restricted". I think there are two? [04:09] theres about 10 [04:09] They'll begin with a # mark. You want to remove that mark, so the first thing on the line is "deb" [04:09] MrBlowtatoes, but only 2 that contain the word "restricted" [04:09] actually, all of them are restricted [04:09] no, all of them to [04:09] erm [04:09] do* [04:09] alrighty === seth_k wonders what sort of funky sources.list you've got, but no matter :) [04:09] remove the # from each line containing "restricted" [04:09] i've added to it [04:10] ah [04:10] i rmeoved the commnted ones also === jsubl2 [n=jsubl2@72.48.95.220] has joined #kubuntu [04:10] the # symbols [04:10] alright [04:10] close kate [04:10] and do: sudo apt-get update [04:10] W: GPG error: http://us.archive.ubuntu.com breezy Release: Unknown error executing gpgv [04:11] other wise it completed successfully [04:11] ah, you're using us. It's down right now... you may want to open the file back up and change to http://archive.ubuntu.com [04:11] MrBlowtatoes: install gnupg [04:11] gnupg? [04:11] nalioth, no... that's a US archive problem today methinks [04:12] is already the newest version [04:12] seth_k: says error 'executing' gpgv [04:12] nalioth, unknown error executing it... it's returning wonky checksums from US today [04:12] ah, then i guess we're back to gpgerr [04:13] MrBlowtatoes: edit your sources.list to say archive.blah, instead of us.archive.blah [04:13] MrBlowtatoes, then paste this: sudo apt-get install nvidia-settings nvidia-glx linux-restricted-modules-386 && sudo nvidia-glx-config enable [04:13] and when you restart X, your drivers will be up and running :) [04:15] how do i restart? [04:15] MrBlowtatoes: ctrl-alt-bksp === _null [n=null@dpc674538242.direcpc.com] has joined #kubuntu === _null is now known as gahal [04:16] when it downlaods a 23 mb archive, then unpacks it, does it deleetd the archive after wards? [04:16] or is it leaveing all this on my HDD? === CruNcher [n=lulu_lol@dslb-084-058-132-212.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu [04:16] [only 8GB HD, need to convswerve] [04:17] I'm trying to make a flyer in Openoffice Draw, but the program keeps locking up after a minute or two of use, anyone have any ideas for me to try? === Cheapie [n=chpalert@londonderry-cuda1-68-234-71-44.lndnnh.adelphia.net] has joined #kubuntu === claydoh [n=claydoh@65.99.186.71] has joined #kubuntu === MrBlowtatoes [n=crono@cpe-24-92-71-203.midsouth.res.rr.com] has joined #kubuntu [04:23] wow, it works [04:23] and mu res is 1600x1200 [04:24] :) [04:25] heh === BigKahuna [n=ian@cm147.sigma200.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #kubuntu [04:25] all hell is breaking loose on the fireworks screen saver [this is how i test my nvidia card] [04:27] hey, i think i foujnd a bug in kubuntu aswell [04:28] I'm using a moodin KDM theme and was wondering if it would be possible to hack in a sound effect. Basically I want my KDE start-up sound to play as soon as my password has been accpeted as opposed to when KDE loads === TaZzZ [n=mel@lns-bzn-19-82-248-183-75.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu === Coolio10 [n=Coolio10@CPE0040ca74d9df-CM000a739b54a4.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #kubuntu === bbeck [n=bbeck@12-201-93-110.client.mchsi.com] has joined #kubuntu === Coolio10 [n=Coolio10@CPE0040ca74d9df-CM000a739b54a4.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has left #kubuntu [] === ClayG [n=scdsc@c-66-177-234-195.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu === _bruce [n=bruce@cpe-024-168-222-175.sc.res.rr.com] has joined #kubuntu === _bruce [n=bruce@cpe-024-168-222-175.sc.res.rr.com] has joined #kubuntu === vito [n=vito@60-234-151-136.bitstream.orcon.net.nz] has joined #kubuntu [05:10] any VNC experts here ? I need help with loading vncserver at boot without logging in === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@CPE-144-136-118-222.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #kubuntu [05:16] i cant unmount /media/sdb1 (its a compact flash card reader) via gui, what is the command line command for that? [05:18] CarstenP: umount /media/sdb1 or use sudo in front if it doesnt work as a regular user === Delvien [n=dm@cpe-65-31-27-200.insight.res.rr.com] has joined #kubuntu [05:20] nalioth: thank you! Any idea how i can mount it again in that way that i have the right to write stuff on it? [05:21] CarstenP: i'm not familiar with how automount does permissions, and i don't want to advise you in ignorance and perhaps botch your box [05:23]