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| klepas | anyone awake? | 08:28 |
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| klepas | artnay: ping | 08:28 |
| artnay | klepas: hey | 08:30 |
| klepas | a.g.o has been very busy | 08:33 |
| klepas | they've actually been working on fixing their site | 08:33 |
| klepas | I think we need to get a build from them or something to fix up auc | 08:33 |
| artnay | yeah, I noticed the to-do list has been updated | 08:34 |
| artnay | will AUC still use artweb? | 08:34 |
| klepas | i sincerely hope not | 08:34 |
| klepas | i personally think something a bit more like the cms that gnome-look/kde-look uses would be more applicable | 08:35 |
| klepas | i'm sure there are set-up options to set it that content still needs to be reviewed/moderated first before being accepted and added | 08:35 |
| klepas | and that we could customise the look of it (some css) | 08:35 |
| klepas | I mean, we can stick with art-web, but it would need to be improved | 08:36 |
| klepas | a lot | 08:36 |
| artnay | I bet | 08:36 |
| klepas | because right now adding stuff is a pain | 08:36 |
| klepas | manually need to create thumbs, upload them via sftp and the same goes for actuall content | 08:36 |
| artnay | I know, that's a terrible process | 08:37 |
| artnay | should we update the wiki today? I spoke with Hernandez yesterday, he was quite positive on that | 08:37 |
| klepas | i can't m'self | 08:37 |
| artnay | I just came to work so I might have some time available a bit later | 08:37 |
| klepas | going to a party in a few hours | 08:37 |
| klepas | but i intend to work on it either now, or tomorrow | 08:38 |
| klepas | gstreamer 0.10 got released :) | 08:38 |
| artnay | we need the structure to be set correctly | 08:38 |
| klepas | i feel like craming most things on one page... | 08:39 |
| klepas | would make things nice and easy | 08:39 |
| artnay | so we're speaking of /Artwork | 08:39 |
| klepas | plus we can just stick in a TOC at the top for browsing | 08:39 |
| klepas | or something like it | 08:39 |
| klepas | yea | 08:39 |
| klepas | put most things under that | 08:40 |
| klepas | would make it easy :) | 08:40 |
| artnay | I updated my proposal | 08:40 |
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| artnay | check the wiki section | 08:40 |
| artnay | should we move the Artwork pages to be on top? | 08:41 |
| artnay | then FAQ, Guides etc. | 08:41 |
| klepas | yeah, sounds alright | 08:41 |
| klepas | but keep that "Scope" intro there | 08:41 |
| klepas | FAQ section can go third or fourth | 08:42 |
| klepas | remember, if there is a toc it's very easy to get to it :) | 08:42 |
| klepas | how about this? | 08:42 |
| klepas | I'll create an "Artwork" page now | 08:42 |
| klepas | and put everything from "ArtTeam" in it | 08:42 |
| klepas | shuffle things around a wee bit | 08:43 |
| klepas | and see how far I get | 08:43 |
| artnay | create a separate contact page | 08:44 |
| klepas | sure? | 08:44 |
| artnay | under /Artwork | 08:44 |
| klepas | we can just stuck it under Members | 08:44 |
| klepas | mhh | 08:44 |
| klepas | how about /UbuntuArtwork ? | 08:44 |
| klepas | because there is /KubuntuArtwork | 08:45 |
| klepas | iirc | 08:45 |
| artnay | Contact would be better. the page would contain all members and their addresses, link to the mailing list and some info on the IRC channel | 08:45 |
| klepas | btw | 08:45 |
| klepas | i can't make/edit "Artwork" | 08:45 |
| klepas | because it links to ArtworkTodoProposal | 08:45 |
| artnay | /Artwork would contain links to /UbuntuArtwork, /KubuntuArtwork, /EdubuntuArtwork, /XubuntuArtwork, etc. etc. | 08:46 |
| klepas | yea | 08:46 |
| klepas | so... | 08:46 |
| klepas | what do you want to do? | 08:46 |
| artnay | well I guess I'm able to edit it | 08:46 |
| klepas | go for it | 08:46 |
| artnay | I'll do it later today if it's ok | 08:46 |
| klepas | no worries | 08:46 |
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| artnay | hi guys | 02:10 |
| artnay | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtworkTodoProposal | 02:10 |
| artnay | so what should we with previous versions? (artwork for hoary and breezy) | 02:10 |
| artnay | should /UbuntuArtwork be divided into smaller pieces? | 02:13 |
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| artnay | so that Ubuntu wouldn't steal the main focus at /Artwork | 02:14 |
| artnay | I mean, every *buntu page should contain their own list of Guides and Resources (palettes etc.) | 02:15 |
| artnay | FAQ should be at the main page | 02:16 |
| artnay | hey lllmanulll | 02:17 |
| artnay | :) | 02:17 |
| lllmanulll | artnay: hey :) | 02:20 |
| artnay | what about the contact page? should it contain all the members? (*buntu) | 02:23 |
| artnay | maybe some separation here and there | 02:23 |
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| artnay | hey guys | 02:58 |
| lukacu | hello | 02:59 |
| artnay | want to help with the wiki? | 02:59 |
| artnay | if we split /UbuntuArtwork into smaller pieces, what should be there by default? | 03:00 |
| artnay | it has to be splitted into smaller pieces | 03:00 |
| artnay | but we're lacking the structure here | 03:00 |
| artnay | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtworkTodoProposal | 03:01 |
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| artnay | hi Danten | 03:02 |
| Danten | hello artnay | 03:02 |
| lukacu | how about putting http://users.evtek.fi/~jirig/artwork-todo directly to the wiki? | 03:03 |
| artnay | lukacu: I was thinking that but renewing /Artwork is the top priority | 03:04 |
| lukacu | ok | 03:04 |
| artnay | then we can split that one and add more things easily | 03:04 |
| artnay | Danten: take a look here -> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtworkTodoProposal | 03:05 |
| Danten | on it | 03:05 |
| artnay | but we need a unified structure to *ubuntu artwork pages | 03:05 |
| artnay | then write small introduction to /Artwork, introductions to subcategories etc. | 03:06 |
| artnay | for example https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuArtwork should be done from scratch. we should move those *buntu topics under a valid page and move ubuntu information under "Resources" or something | 03:09 |
| artnay | what do you think? | 03:09 |
| lukacu | i agree | 03:10 |
| artnay | /Artwork/UbuntuArtwork/Resources to say | 03:10 |
| artnay | *g* we're scratching our heads because of wiki, I wonder when we get any "real" job done ;) | 03:11 |
| Danten | ^^ | 03:11 |
| artnay | ok, let's keep a brainstorm here | 03:11 |
| artnay | what should be the structure of /*buntuArtwork | 03:12 |
| artnay | let's keep /Artwork as minimalistic as we can but also informal | 03:12 |
| artnay | *buntu artwork could contain Projects, Resources and what else? | 03:13 |
| artnay | GeneralDiscussion | 03:13 |
| artnay | what about contacting? shall we keep one contact page? or should the credit be given to right people under *buntuArtwork page? | 03:14 |
| artnay | it would be great if we could cross-link all this when using unified structure | 03:14 |
| artnay | so one wouldn't have to check four different pages to see what's happening in every project | 03:15 |
| artnay | where's our wiki expert, mhz? :) | 03:15 |
| artnay | what do you think? | 03:17 |
| artnay | if we split /Artwork and *buntuArtwork pages into too small pieces, people won't read it | 03:19 |
| lukacu | how about just organizing the pages ... no splitting? | 03:20 |
| artnay | ok, *buntuArtwork should contain at least Projects, Guides and Resources | 03:21 |
| lukacu | yes | 03:21 |
| artnay | lukacu: it's easier to organize when there's no any optional information | 03:21 |
| artnay | I mean, Kubuntu artworkers probably aren't interested how to make metacity decorations | 03:22 |
| artnay | so /KubuntuArtwork/Guides could contain guides to KWin decorations etc. | 03:22 |
| artnay | and /UbuntuArtwork/Guides metacity etc. | 03:22 |
| artnay | it's easier to read a page when it doesn't contain information that you don't need, therefore I'd split the package | 03:23 |
| lukacu | well ... gnome/kde stuff can be separated ... but logo and stuff like that ... that can be on /*buntuArtwork page | 03:23 |
| artnay | /UbuntuArtwork/Resources could contain Ubuntu's logo, palette etc. | 03:24 |
| artnay | same for /Kubuntu | 03:24 |
| lukacu | is /UbuntuArtwork/Resources a separate wiki page? | 03:24 |
| artnay | yes, because it would contain a different logo and palette etc. than any other *buntuArtwork has | 03:25 |
| lukacu | but what is on UbuntuArtwork page then? ... only links? | 03:25 |
| artnay | Projects (clicking this would bring the goals for Dapper), Guides, Resources, what else? | 03:26 |
| artnay | Ubuntu and Edubuntu, probably Xubuntu could use the same Guides page | 03:27 |
| lukacu | yes ... but that are only links to separate wiki pages? | 03:27 |
| artnay | lukacu: look at the bottom of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtworkTodoProposal | 03:28 |
| artnay | a list view of projects and a small summary for each | 03:28 |
| artnay | FAQ, Licensing and Contact could be at /Artwork | 03:29 |
| lukacu | i see... | 03:29 |
| artnay | I don't know, I'm just throwing ideas here | 03:29 |
| artnay | Write first, then take a pause and think | 03:30 |
| artnay | :) | 03:30 |
| lukacu | and that is good ... throwing ideas :) | 03:30 |
| lukacu | brings some life to the art team | 03:30 |
| artnay | lukacu: are you scared of the idea? would it split pages too much? | 03:30 |
| lukacu | no ... i just dont like nearly empty wiki pages ... but thats just me | 03:31 |
| Danten | isn't it possible to include other wikipages on a wikipage? | 03:31 |
| artnay | or badly outdated pages | 03:31 |
| artnay | Danten: I guess it could be | 03:32 |
| Danten | with templates or something | 03:32 |
| artnay | so we could have a page for each and one page that sync to those smaller pages | 03:32 |
| Danten | so instead of links it includes the page/template/whatever | 03:32 |
| Danten | mm | 03:32 |
| artnay | Danten: I bet mhz has lots of information on wiki | 03:33 |
| Danten | then images could be uploaded at a section on the art.ubuntu.com page? | 03:34 |
| artnay | Danten: sure | 03:34 |
| Danten | wasn't it talk about something like that for a while ago | 03:34 |
| lukacu | that reminds me ... AUC ... there is nearly no activity ... i am the only admin for a month or so .. | 03:35 |
| lukacu | there must be something the art team can do | 03:35 |
| artnay | it's all happening behind the scenes | 03:36 |
| artnay | lukacu: ok, art-web could be updated. or maybe art-web could be replaced? | 03:40 |
| artnay | ask klepas for details | 03:40 |
| lukacu | the probem is the system behind the auc ... but that is a known fact ... manual uploading etc... | 03:42 |
| artnay | true. the version of art-web at AUC is outdated. there's been some progress at art.gnome.org | 03:44 |
| artnay | so it could be updated or replaced | 03:45 |
| artnay | currently it's really buggy, all those linkings to AGO etc. | 03:45 |
| artnay | navigation problems, admin problems etc. etc. | 03:45 |
| artnay | instead of whinging here, even I could help with that | 03:46 |
| lukacu | indeed ... but henrik (auc supreme admin) in a bit ... well i dont know where is he ... i will try writing him again though | 03:47 |
| artnay | I updated the proposal once again: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtworkTodoProposal | 03:52 |
| artnay | sorry about the layout and typos | 03:52 |
| artnay | I'm in a hurry right now | 03:52 |
| artnay | ok, I'm off. in case you have something to add, use the wiki. later mates! | 03:55 |
| lukacu | bye | 03:57 |
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| mhz | hi | 11:07 |
| lukacu | hello | 11:08 |
| mhz | lukacu: hi | 11:20 |
| mhz | lukacu: upon request by artnay, i am unifiying some wiki syntaxis, so dont panic if i have slightly changed some of the pages you have edited | 11:21 |
| mhz | :) | 11:21 |
| mhz | I am not changing content, just moin wiki sintaxis | 11:21 |
| lukacu | no problem :) | 11:22 |
| lukacu | i am glad to see some activity | 11:23 |
| mhz | heheh, eventhough this activity is editing? | 11:24 |
| lukacu | better than nothing i say | 11:24 |
| mhz | indeed | 11:24 |
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