[08:28] <klepas> anyone awake?
[08:28] <klepas> artnay: ping
[08:30] <artnay> klepas: hey
[08:33] <klepas> a.g.o has been very busy
[08:33] <klepas> they've actually been working on fixing their site
[08:33] <klepas> I think we need to get a build from them or something to fix up auc
[08:34] <artnay> yeah, I noticed the to-do list has been updated
[08:34] <artnay> will AUC still use artweb?
[08:34] <klepas> i sincerely hope not
[08:35] <klepas> i personally think something a bit more like the cms that gnome-look/kde-look uses would be more applicable
[08:35] <klepas> i'm sure there are set-up options to set it that content still needs to be reviewed/moderated first before being accepted and added
[08:35] <klepas> and that we could customise the look of it (some css)
[08:36] <klepas> I mean, we can stick with art-web, but it would need to be improved
[08:36] <klepas> a lot
[08:36] <artnay> I bet
[08:36] <klepas> because right now adding stuff is a pain
[08:36] <klepas> manually need to create thumbs, upload them via sftp and the same goes for actuall content
[08:37] <artnay> I know, that's a terrible process
[08:37] <artnay> should we update the wiki today? I spoke with Hernandez yesterday, he was quite positive on that
[08:37] <klepas> i can't m'self
[08:37] <artnay> I just came to work so I might have some time available a bit later
[08:37] <klepas> going to a party in a few hours
[08:38] <klepas> but i intend to work on it either now, or tomorrow
[08:38] <klepas> gstreamer 0.10 got released :)
[08:38] <artnay> we need the structure to be set correctly
[08:39] <klepas> i feel like craming most things on one page...
[08:39] <klepas> would make things nice and easy
[08:39] <artnay> so we're speaking of /Artwork
[08:39] <klepas> plus we can just stick in a TOC at the top for browsing
[08:39] <klepas> or something like it
[08:39] <klepas> yea
[08:40] <klepas> put most things under that
[08:40] <klepas> would make it easy :)
[08:40] <artnay> I updated my proposal
[08:40] <artnay> check the wiki section
[08:41] <artnay> should we move the Artwork pages to be on top?
[08:41] <artnay> then FAQ, Guides etc.
[08:41] <klepas> yeah, sounds alright
[08:41] <klepas> but keep that "Scope" intro there
[08:42] <klepas> FAQ section can go third or fourth
[08:42] <klepas> remember, if there is a toc it's very easy to get to it :)
[08:42] <klepas> how about this?
[08:42] <klepas> I'll create an "Artwork" page now
[08:42] <klepas> and put everything from "ArtTeam" in it
[08:43] <klepas> shuffle things around a wee bit
[08:43] <klepas> and see how far I get
[08:44] <artnay> create a separate contact page
[08:44] <klepas> sure?
[08:44] <artnay> under /Artwork
[08:44] <klepas> we can just stuck it under Members
[08:44] <klepas> mhh
[08:44] <klepas> how about /UbuntuArtwork ?
[08:45] <klepas> because there is /KubuntuArtwork
[08:45] <klepas> iirc
[08:45] <artnay> Contact would be better. the page would contain all members and their addresses, link to the mailing list and some info on the IRC channel
[08:45] <klepas> btw
[08:45] <klepas> i can't make/edit "Artwork"
[08:45] <klepas> because it links to ArtworkTodoProposal
[08:46] <artnay>  /Artwork would contain links to /UbuntuArtwork, /KubuntuArtwork, /EdubuntuArtwork, /XubuntuArtwork, etc. etc.
[08:46] <klepas> yea
[08:46] <klepas> so...
[08:46] <klepas> what do you want to do?
[08:46] <artnay> well I guess I'm able to edit it
[08:46] <klepas> go for it
[08:46] <artnay> I'll do it later today if it's ok
[08:46] <klepas> no worries
[02:10] <artnay> hi guys
[02:10] <artnay> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtworkTodoProposal
[02:10] <artnay> so what should we with previous versions? (artwork for hoary and breezy)
[02:13] <artnay> should /UbuntuArtwork be divided into smaller pieces?
[02:14] <artnay> so that Ubuntu wouldn't steal the main focus at /Artwork
[02:15] <artnay> I mean, every *buntu page should contain their own list of Guides and Resources (palettes etc.)
[02:16] <artnay> FAQ should be at the main page
[02:17] <artnay> hey lllmanulll 
[02:17] <artnay> :)
[02:20] <lllmanulll> artnay: hey :)
[02:23] <artnay> what about the contact page? should it contain all the members? (*buntu)
[02:23] <artnay> maybe some separation here and there
[02:58] <artnay> hey guys
[02:59] <lukacu> hello
[02:59] <artnay> want to help with the wiki?
[03:00] <artnay> if we split /UbuntuArtwork into smaller pieces, what should be there by default?
[03:00] <artnay> it has to be splitted into smaller pieces
[03:00] <artnay> but we're lacking the structure here
[03:01] <artnay> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtworkTodoProposal
[03:02] <artnay> hi Danten 
[03:02] <Danten> hello artnay
[03:03] <lukacu> how about putting http://users.evtek.fi/~jirig/artwork-todo directly to the wiki?
[03:04] <artnay> lukacu: I was thinking that but renewing /Artwork is the top priority
[03:04] <lukacu> ok
[03:04] <artnay> then we can split that one and add more things easily
[03:05] <artnay> Danten: take a look here -> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtworkTodoProposal
[03:05] <Danten> on it
[03:05] <artnay> but we need a unified structure to *ubuntu artwork pages
[03:06] <artnay> then write small introduction to /Artwork, introductions to subcategories etc.
[03:09] <artnay> for example https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuArtwork should be done from scratch. we should move those *buntu topics under a valid page and move ubuntu information under "Resources" or something
[03:09] <artnay> what do you think?
[03:10] <lukacu> i agree
[03:10] <artnay>  /Artwork/UbuntuArtwork/Resources to say
[03:11] <artnay> *g* we're scratching our heads because of wiki, I wonder when we get any "real" job done ;)
[03:11] <Danten> ^^
[03:11] <artnay> ok, let's keep a brainstorm here
[03:12] <artnay> what should be the structure of /*buntuArtwork
[03:12] <artnay> let's keep /Artwork as minimalistic as we can but also informal
[03:13] <artnay> *buntu artwork could contain Projects, Resources and what else?
[03:13] <artnay> GeneralDiscussion
[03:14] <artnay> what about contacting? shall we keep one contact page? or should the credit be given to right people under *buntuArtwork page?
[03:14] <artnay> it would be great if we could cross-link all this when using unified structure
[03:15] <artnay> so one wouldn't have to check four different pages to see what's happening in every project
[03:15] <artnay> where's our wiki expert, mhz? :)
[03:17] <artnay> what do you think?
[03:19] <artnay> if we split /Artwork and *buntuArtwork pages into too small pieces, people won't read it
[03:20] <lukacu> how about just organizing the pages ... no splitting?
[03:21] <artnay> ok, *buntuArtwork should contain at least Projects, Guides and Resources
[03:21] <lukacu> yes
[03:21] <artnay> lukacu: it's easier to organize when there's no any optional information
[03:22] <artnay> I mean, Kubuntu artworkers probably aren't interested how to make metacity decorations
[03:22] <artnay> so /KubuntuArtwork/Guides could contain guides to KWin decorations etc.
[03:22] <artnay> and /UbuntuArtwork/Guides metacity etc.
[03:23] <artnay> it's easier to read a page when it doesn't contain information that you don't need, therefore I'd split the package
[03:23] <lukacu> well ... gnome/kde stuff can be separated ... but logo and stuff like that ... that can be on /*buntuArtwork page
[03:24] <artnay>  /UbuntuArtwork/Resources could contain Ubuntu's logo, palette etc.
[03:24] <artnay> same for /Kubuntu
[03:24] <lukacu> is /UbuntuArtwork/Resources a separate wiki page?
[03:25] <artnay> yes, because it would contain a different logo and palette etc. than any other *buntuArtwork has
[03:25] <lukacu> but what is on UbuntuArtwork page then? ... only links?
[03:26] <artnay> Projects (clicking this would bring the goals for Dapper), Guides, Resources, what else?
[03:27] <artnay> Ubuntu and Edubuntu, probably Xubuntu could use the same Guides page
[03:27] <lukacu> yes ... but that are only links to separate wiki pages?
[03:28] <artnay> lukacu: look at the bottom of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtworkTodoProposal
[03:28] <artnay> a list view of projects and a small summary for each
[03:29] <artnay> FAQ, Licensing and Contact could be at /Artwork
[03:29] <lukacu> i see...
[03:29] <artnay> I don't know, I'm just throwing ideas here
[03:30] <artnay> Write first, then take a pause and think
[03:30] <artnay> :)
[03:30] <lukacu> and that is good ... throwing ideas :)
[03:30] <lukacu> brings some life to the art team
[03:30] <artnay> lukacu: are you scared of the idea? would it split pages too much?
[03:31] <lukacu> no ... i just dont like nearly empty wiki pages ... but thats just me
[03:31] <Danten> isn't it possible to include other wikipages on a wikipage?
[03:31] <artnay> or badly outdated pages
[03:32] <artnay> Danten: I guess it could be
[03:32] <Danten> with templates or something
[03:32] <artnay> so we could have a page for each and one page that sync to those smaller pages
[03:32] <Danten> so instead of links it includes the page/template/whatever
[03:32] <Danten> mm
[03:33] <artnay> Danten: I bet mhz has lots of information on wiki
[03:34] <Danten> then images could be uploaded at a section on the art.ubuntu.com page?
[03:34] <artnay> Danten: sure
[03:34] <Danten> wasn't it talk about something like that for a while ago
[03:35] <lukacu> that reminds me ... AUC ... there is nearly no activity ... i am the only admin for a month or so ..
[03:35] <lukacu> there must be something the art team can do
[03:36] <artnay> it's all happening behind the scenes
[03:40] <artnay> lukacu: ok, art-web could be updated. or maybe art-web could be replaced?
[03:40] <artnay> ask klepas for details
[03:42] <lukacu> the probem is the system behind the auc ... but that is a known fact ... manual uploading etc...
[03:44] <artnay> true. the version of art-web at AUC is outdated. there's been some progress at art.gnome.org
[03:45] <artnay> so it could be updated or replaced
[03:45] <artnay> currently it's really buggy, all those linkings to AGO etc.
[03:45] <artnay> navigation problems, admin problems etc. etc.
[03:46] <artnay> instead of whinging here, even I could help with that
[03:47] <lukacu> indeed ... but henrik (auc supreme admin) in a bit ... well i dont know where is he ... i will try writing him again though
[03:52] <artnay> I updated the proposal once again: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtworkTodoProposal
[03:52] <artnay> sorry about the layout and typos
[03:52] <artnay> I'm in a hurry right now
[03:55] <artnay> ok, I'm off. in case you have something to add, use the wiki. later mates!
[03:57] <lukacu> bye
[11:07] <mhz> hi
[11:08] <lukacu> hello
[11:20] <mhz> lukacu: hi
[11:21] <mhz> lukacu: upon request by artnay, i am unifiying some wiki syntaxis, so dont panic if i have slightly changed some of the pages you have edited
[11:21] <mhz> :)
[11:21] <mhz> I am not changing content, just moin wiki sintaxis
[11:22] <lukacu> no problem :)
[11:23] <lukacu> i am glad to see some activity
[11:24] <mhz> heheh, eventhough this activity is editing?
[11:24] <lukacu> better than nothing i say
[11:24] <mhz> indeed