[12:34] (mdke/#ubuntu-doc) bloody hell
[12:34] (mdke/#ubuntu-doc) i don't envy the person who has to read that
[12:35] <LaserJock> mdke: can I get the svn branch you are working on?
[12:35] <mdke> sure it's branches/breezy
[12:35] <mdke> seems like basically everything is in the debdiff
[12:37] <mdke> LaserJock, I haven't committed any of the built package naturally
[12:37] <mdke> do i need to pass any flags to debdiff?
[12:38] <LaserJock> ok so did you do have the two .dsc files?
[12:38] <mdke> yes
[12:39] <LaserJock> so did you do debdiff first.dsc second.dsc ?
[12:40] <mdke> yeah
[12:40] <mdke> all hell broke loose
[12:41] <LaserJock> ok, just a sec, I'm building the breezy source package
[12:41] <mdke> the new one?
[12:41] <LaserJock> yes
[12:41] <mdke> cool
[12:42] <mdke> it will take a long time
[12:43] <LaserJock> doing the debdiff now
[12:43] <mdke> how did it build so fast?
[12:44] <mdke> hiya rob1 
[12:44] <rob1> hi mdke 
[12:44] <LaserJock> ok, so the debdiff is 11
[12:44] <LaserJock> Mb
[12:45] <LaserJock> because of all the .svn
[12:45] <mdke> hmm
[12:46] <mdke> ahh
[12:46] <mdke> LaserJock, so how did you build it so quick?
[12:46] <rob1> just reading your email about the meeting mdke 
[12:47] <rob1> sounds like a good idea
[12:47] <LaserJock> mdke: I'm just good ;-)
[12:47] <mdke> rob1, cool :)
[12:47] <LaserJock> mdke: what command did you use to build the source package?
[12:47] <mdke> LaserJock, debuild
[12:48] <mdke> rob1, ah good i've timed it right then. When is good for the meeting?
[12:48] <LaserJock> hhmm, I used debuild also but I started it before I told you so maybe it was the same amount of time
[12:48] <mdke> LaserJock, did it build all the localised stuff?
[12:48] <theCore> what are you doing, guys ?
[12:49] <mdke> LaserJock, so I take it the breezy package wasn't built with all the .svn stuff then?
[12:51] <rob1> mdke, any time apart from 0400z onwards today 
[12:51] <LaserJock> mdke: where there many revisions after the package (that is currently in breezy) was made?
[12:51] <mdke> LaserJock, none
[12:52] <mdke> to my knowledge
[12:52] <mdke> rob1, so not today
[12:52] <mdke> rob1, what day?
[12:52] <LaserJock> ok, then I think that the .svn's must have been removed
[12:53] <rob1> if its today, some time in the next four hours is good
[12:53] <mdke> rob1, me too
[12:53] <mdke> Madpilot, how about you?
[12:53] <theCore> can i do something to help ?
[12:54] <mdke> theCore, i think I will ask the same developer that took care of the breezy package to help
[12:55] <theCore> mdke, ok
[12:55] <LaserJock> mdke: I think I got it
[12:55] <mdke> rob1, LaserJock cool
[12:59] <rob1> wazzup?
[12:59] <mdke> nah, i mean cool on freenode
[12:59] <rob1> oh yeah :0
[12:59] <rob1> :)
[01:05] <LaserJock> mdke: I thought you were telling rob1 that I was cool j/k
[01:05] <rob1> heh
[01:05] <mdke> that too
[01:05] <mdke> especially if you can fix my package
[01:08] <LaserJock> well, I got rid of the .svn stuff so now the debdiff is 741k
[01:08] <mdke> hmm
[01:08] <LaserJock> but there is still a lot of differences
[01:08] <rob1> oh god, theres a crazy frog christmas song..
[01:08] <mdke> LaserJock, which files?
[01:09] <LaserJock> it looks to be translation related
[01:09] <mdke> oh shit
[01:09] <mdke> i guess jeff built some new translations and didn't commit them
[01:09] <LaserJock> a german version of the faqguide?
[01:09] <mdke> LaserJock, the docs are translated, yeah :)
[01:10] <mdke> ok lemme try this package
[01:11] <mdke> http://doc.ubuntu.com/debs/breezy/
[01:11] <mdke> if anyone wants to test
[01:11] <LaserJock> ok, I got 27 files changed
[01:11] <mdke> LaserJock, i'm not _that_ bothered because we were going to do translation update anyhow
[01:12] <mdke> i wanna see if it works
[01:12] <mdke> :)
[01:12] <LaserJock> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/5568
[01:13] <LaserJock> but does such a large debdiff make it less likely to get in breezy-updates?
[01:13] <mdke> hmm
[01:14] <mdke> i don't think so now
[01:14] <mdke> LaserJock, any idea what the changes to faqguide.css are?
[01:14] <Burgwork> LaserJock, depends on what is in the debdiff
[01:14] <Burgwork> LaserJock, raw text will not make it harder, IMHO
[01:14] <LaserJock> mdke: just a sec
[01:14] <mdke> also, gnome/Makefile worries me
[01:15] <mdke> so does libs/faqguide-html*
[01:16] <LaserJock> the only difference in faqguide.css is ".revhistory { font-size: 20%; }"
[01:16] <mdke> ah...
[01:16] <mdke> thanks
[01:17] <mdke> we don't ship the faqguide html anyway, so it doesn't matter
[01:17] <mdke> lol
[01:18] <LaserJock> in gnome/Makefile many of the changes are related to adding --xinclude to xsltproc
[01:18] <mdke> ok
[01:18] <mdke> no problem
[01:18] <mdke> i think actually none of those files are actually in the package
[01:19] <LaserJock> anyway, what I did to get the the debuild to work is I added -I.svn
[01:19] <mdke> ah cool thanks
[01:19] <LaserJock> that will exclude all the .svn directories from being included in the .orig.tar.gz file
[01:21] <LaserJock> -i might work too
[01:22] <mdke> i've done this:
[01:22] <mdke> ubuntu-doc@hudson:~$ cat .devscripts 
[01:22] <mdke> DEBUILD_DPKG_BUILDPACKAGE_OPTS="-I.bzr -I.svn"
[01:24] <rob1> I guess no dg meeting today?
[01:25] <mdke> rob1, i think it would probably be a bit short notice
[01:25] <mdke> i would be up for it, but I'd like a few more peeps
[01:25] <rob1> who do you want to be here for it?
[01:25] <mdke> Madpilot, whoever else
[01:25] <mdke> jjesse said he was interested
[01:26] <rob1> yeah, the kubuntu guys have been bugging for a copy of the dg, so the quicker we get this soughted out and done the better :)
[01:26] <mdke> yeah
[01:28] <mdke> jeez
[01:28] <mdke> the package is building all the localised html, even though we don't ship it
[01:28] <mdke> what a pain
[01:28] <mdke> i might cut it out
[01:36] <rob1> mdke, are you messing with the dg currently?
[01:36] <mdke> rob1, nope
[01:40] <LaserJock> mdke: how long does it usually take to get commit access to the doc-team repo?
[01:40] <mdke> LaserJock, a decent time :(
[01:40] <LaserJock> ok
[01:44] <rob1> About Ubuntu -> What is Ubuntu looks like it was taken from Wikipedia (I got it from the UG though), should we ditch it?
[01:45] <mdke> we can rework it if necessary i think
[01:45] <mdke> maybe draw from the About Ubuntu doc
[01:45] <rob1> what a pita
[01:46] <mdke> if it overlaps with About Ubuntu, and we decide to ship About ubuntu, we can ditch it
[01:46] <rob1> I'd still like to keep something brief along those lines though in there
[01:47] <mdke> well, if we ship both, we can interlink them
[01:52] <LaserJock> i gotta go, cya all
[02:01] <Kingbahamut> lambert 
[02:16] <lambert_> kb, 
[02:17] <Kingbahamut> aye sir
[02:18] <lambert_> just replying, moving slow
[02:18] <Kingbahamut> ahh
[02:18] <Kingbahamut> Wasnt Todd Lambert a basketball player in America?
[02:18] <lambert_> ?? not sure
[02:18] <theCore> ls
[02:18] <lambert_> I only know jack lambert of the 70's steelers
[02:18] <Kingbahamut> ahh
[02:21] <Bonzodog> https://launchpad.net/people/bonzodog01/
[02:21] <Bonzodog> I have signed it
[02:23] <manicka> hoot.... well done
[02:24] <Kingbahamut> lol
[02:24] <Kingbahamut> bout time bonz
[03:27] <theCore> #ubuntu has been attacked
[03:28] <mdke> happened in #launchpad earlier today
[03:28] <Madpilot> under control now
[03:29] <mdke> hey Madpilot 
[03:29] <theCore> it was crazy
[03:30] <Kingbahamut> lol
[03:30] <Kingbahamut> I hate it when that happens
[03:30] <Kingbahamut> they determine who?
[03:30] <mdke> Madpilot, see my mail about a quick meeting on the desktopguide?
[03:30] <Madpilot> mdke: I did, haven't had time to respond yet
[03:30] <mdke> Madpilot, cool :)
[03:31] <theCore> Kingbahamut, not yet
[03:31] <mdke> my mail is lagging 10-24 hours behind
[03:31] <mdke> Kingbahamut, just script kiddies
[03:31] <mdke> setting -R or -r on the channel should do the trick
[03:32] <Bonzodog> mdke: have signed the CoC tonight
[03:33] <mdke> Bonzodog, hello, glad to hear it
[03:34] <Bonzodog> thanks :)
[04:01] <manicka> Bonzo: How does it feel to be an ubuntero?
[04:01] <Bonzodog> it's good
[04:02] <Bonzodog> It feels like I can really count myself in now to making a contribution
[04:20] <Kingbahamut> lol
[04:20] <Kingbahamut> Bonz left
[04:20] <Kingbahamut> darn
[04:21] <lambert_> kb, do you get my responses back?
[05:30] <LaserJock> mdke: ping?
[10:17] <robotgeek> hi, i think the packaging guide here has a few error. it's in draft, so i tht i would let you guys know? 
[10:17] <robotgeek> http://doc.ubuntu.com/generic/packagingguide/C/index.html
[10:18] <Madpilot> robotgeek: are you on the -doc mailing list?
[10:18] <robotgeek> Madpilot: no, 
[10:18] <robotgeek> i can join up real quick,though
[10:19] <robotgeek> okay, an i just point out the errors, and you guys take care of it :)
[10:19] <Madpilot> given that it's dead here, you might be best to sent mail to the list pointing out the typos
[10:19] <robotgeek> i don't mind making changes to the source and submitting patches
[10:19] <rob1> I'll be back in the next 20 minutes or so
[10:20] <Madpilot> robotgeek: OK, if you want to do the DocBook changes & send the diffs, that would be even faster
[10:20] <robotgeek> hmm, i'm just starting out on the guide . but yes, i'll ping back in here, i guesss
[10:21] <robotgeek> okie, there's only one error i found, well maybe 2
[10:22] <robotgeek> oh well, i think that link is outdated
[10:22] <robotgeek> Madpilot: nvm, i think it's been fixed. sorry for the alarm
[10:23] <robotgeek> http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html is the correct url. 
[10:24] <robotgeek> maybe someone should remove the draft copy at http://doc.ubuntu.com/generic/packagingguide/C/index.html . thanks, and sorry for the error
[11:30] <robotgeek> rob1,Madpilot mailed the errors
[11:30] <rob1> ok
[11:31] <robotgeek> i was trying to learn to package :)
[11:31] <robotgeek> rob1: thanks, cya around
[11:31] <rob1> thats a good way to discover bugs in the docs :)
[11:31] <rob1> cya
[11:31] <robotgeek> lol
[01:10] <mdke> LaserJock_, pong
[03:37] <jsgotangco> hey all
[03:37] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi mate
[03:47] <Belutz> jsgotangco, http://belutz.blogspot.com/2005/12/ubuntu-in-debian-conference-ii.html
[03:54] <jsgotangco> ahh!!
[03:55] <Belutz> ahh ??
[03:55] <Belutz> by the way, miss philipines is very very pretty :D
[04:03] <jsgotangco> miss philippines of?
[04:03] <jsgotangco> well yeah we do have incrediby beautiful ladies over here
[04:04] <Belutz> hmm there's a miss world competition in TV right now, and miss philippines made it to semi final
[04:06] <jsgotangco> wow
[04:06] <Belutz> :)
[04:06] <Belutz> miss indonesia didn't make it
[04:07] <jsgotangco> Belutz: a few months ago, the philippines won Miss International in Japan...
[04:07] <Belutz> wow
[04:07] <Belutz> maybe i should move out to philippines :D
[04:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[04:08] <jsgotangco> Belutz: http://preciouslara.thequigamans.com/
[04:08] <Belutz> wow
[04:09] <jsgotangco> i dunno why our country is so involved in beauty pageants :D
[04:10] <Belutz> hahaha
[04:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> need a break from documenting? ;)
[04:10] <Belutz> Kamping_Kaiser, lol
[04:12] <Belutz> jsgotangco, she's very pretty
[04:12] <jsgotangco> hmmm
[04:12] <jsgotangco> oh i agree
[04:12] <Belutz> jsgotangco, i think it's in http://www.missworld.tv if i'm not mistaken
[04:13] <jsgotangco> http://www.missworld.tv/bio/bio.sps?iBiographyID=51619
[04:13] <Belutz> yup, that's the one
[04:14] <Belutz> and miss korea :p
[04:14] <jsgotangco> i saw a lot of beautiful women in seoul
[04:14] <Belutz> wew
[04:16] <jsgotangco> Belutz: miss indonesia ain't bad either
[04:16] <Belutz> jsgotangco, yup
[04:17] <jsgotangco> actually the asia pacific group is stunning
[04:17] <jsgotangco> http://www.missworld.tv/contestants/asian.sps?iType=10599&icustompageid=15590
[04:17] <Belutz> http://www.infoartis.com/Mariana_Renata/Mariana_Renata.htm <--- very pretty indonesian girl, she's in lux's soap advertising
[04:18] <Belutz> i really like oriental looks :p
[04:18] <Belutz> Kamping_Kaiser, err.. we are documenting pretty asian girls... lol
[04:18] <jsgotangco> Belutz: most of our commercials are just passed on to each other in the Asean region...
[04:18] <jsgotangco> we also get thai advertisments...
[04:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol Belutz
[04:19] <Belutz> jsgotangco, i see
[04:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> *shrug* we get lumped with US and GB ads here in Australia.
[04:21] <jsgotangco> Belutz: have you seen this http://gadgets.fosfor.se/the-top-10-weirdest-usb-drives-ever/
[04:21] <jsgotangco> i bought the tempura style USB a few months ago
[04:21] <jsgotangco> heh
[04:22] <Belutz> yes, my friend bought a sushi USB 
[04:22] <Belutz> hehehe
[04:22] <jsgotangco> http://www.engadget.com/entry/1234000270051750/
[04:22] <Belutz> one of each kind
[04:23] <jsgotangco> i've seen the dimsum usb before...
[04:23] <jsgotangco> i should have bought one
[04:24] <Belutz> http://www.engadget.com/entry/1234000090038615/ <--- cool
[04:24] <jsgotangco> haha crazy japanese devices
[04:25] <Belutz> yup
[04:25] <Belutz> lol
[04:45] <jsgotangco> see you guys later i have to wake up early
[04:46] <jsgotangco> :D
[06:44] <jjesse> working on the typos that dholabach mentioned to mailing list i'll commit them
[07:47] <mdke> jjesse, did you commit that already?
[07:51] <jjesse> mdke: no i didn't
[07:51] <mdke> ah k
[07:52] <jjesse> mdke: should i then?
[07:52] <mdke> jjesse, if you're done with it, yeah :)
[07:52] <jjesse> mdke: ok
[07:53] <jjesse> ok should be committed
[07:54] <mdke> thanks dude
[07:54] <jjesse> no problem i'm at work for 12 hours on a saturday upgrading to a new AS/400
[07:55] <mdke> ouch
[07:55] <jjesse> so i'mm sitting here waiting for full system saves to finissh
[07:55] <mdke> commit hasn't come through yet :(
[07:57] <jjesse> hmm let me check 
[07:57] <mdke> it's at 2200 right now
[07:59] <jjesse> Committed revision 2201.
[08:02] <mdke> thanks :)
[08:04] <jjesse> no problem, like i said, have lots of free time today :)
[08:06] <LaserJock> mdke: what is the difference between http://doc.ubuntu.com/generic/packagingguide/C/ and http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/ ?
[08:07] <jjesse> i would argue that gneric/ would be the one you would want to edit
[08:09] <LaserJock> but in the repo there is no ubuntu/packagingguide
[08:12] <jjesse> LaserJock: it must have been moved to gneric/packagingguide and not removed from doc.ubuntu.com
[08:13] <jjesse> mdke: can you confirm that?
[08:22] <LaserJock> hmm, I thought it was always in generic but I could be wrong
[08:24] <jjesse> the svn repo is probablly more current LaserJock 
[08:24] <LaserJock> oh well, I just noticed that somebody got confused about it
[08:34] <mdke> it is online at ubuntu/packaginguigde
[08:34] <mdke> but in the repo at generic/packagingguide
[08:34] <mdke> LaserJock, ^^
[08:35] <LaserJock> ok
[08:35] <LaserJock> how often is the ubuntu one updated?
[08:36] <mdke> each day
[08:37] <LaserJock> hmm, I haven't changed the packaging guide for a while but robotgeek said that they weren't the same
[08:37] <mdke> no, ok i've deleted the wrong one
[08:39] <LaserJock> which one is that?
[08:39] <mdke> it was online at generic/packagingguide by accident
[08:39] <LaserJock> ok
[08:40] <mdke> the correct one is the one linked on the homepage :)
[08:40] <LaserJock> k