[12:41] <jjesse> trying to apt-get update from breezy to dapper and getting errors for debtags and adept
[12:42] <jjesse> http://pastebin.com/458972 for me errors
[12:43] <Diablo-D3> jjesse: thats normal
[12:43] <Diablo-D3> debtags is still broken
[12:43] <jjesse> Diablo-D3: ok, didn't know
[12:43] <jjesse> everything else should be fine to use it then ?
[12:43] <Diablo-D3> yeah
[12:43] <Diablo-D3> debtags and adept is just for the kde apt-get frontend
[12:43] <Diablo-D3> the only thing else broke is some python thing no one uses
[12:44] <Diablo-D3> oh, and apt-get still doesnt understand that libakode replaces akode
[12:44] <jjesse> cool, was just nervous
[12:44] <Diablo-D3> afaik nothing else is broken
[03:30] <Riddell> flosoft: hi
[04:36] <jjesse> if my sound card is not detected during install, how can i set it up?
[04:48] <seth_k|lappy> jjesse, that's a question for #kubuntu or #ubuntu, not a -devel channel
[04:48] <jjesse> doh was in the wrong channel sorry seth_k 
[04:48] <seth_k|lappy> no worries
[10:36] <pef> hellol
[10:49] <raphink> Riddell: is there a reason why kdmtheme is not available on ubuntu?
[11:45] <jpatrick> Riddell: I think there's a new upstream release for Moodin
[01:17] <freeflying> konqueror crashes too otfen
[01:17] <freeflying> konqueror crashes too  often
[01:27] <Tm_T> hm
[01:27] <Tm_T> inwhat kind of aituations?
[01:27] <Tm_T> s
[02:10] <jpatrick> \sh & Riddell: requesting revu : http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1122
[03:51] <mornfall> someone can explain why on earth the version of adpept is 1.0ubuntu1?
[04:05] <mornfall> Riddell: ping... could you please try to ensure future adept versions have +ubuntuN appended, and either correspond to what is on ekhis.org experimental or debian, whichever is higher?
[04:08] <Tm_T> damned
[04:08] <Tm_T> debtags is still uninstallable
[04:08] <Tm_T> err
[04:08] <Tm_T> is not installable
[04:08] <Tm_T> :)
[05:26] <\sh> Riddell: ping
[05:28] <\sh> Riddell: !ping i found what I needed
[05:28] <jpatrick> Me? ;)
[05:42] <author-psi> ;)
[05:43] <jpatrick> hello author-psi 
[05:43] <author-psi> hi jpatrick 
[06:41] <mornfall> Riddell: http://lorien.mornfall.net:8012/m/adept-tags-easy.png
[06:42] <flosoft> mornfall: what is adept?
[06:42] <mornfall> flosoft: yep
[06:42] <mornfall> flosoft: err, what, not is
[06:43] <mornfall> flosoft: kubuntu's package manager :)
[06:43] <flosoft> ow
[06:43] <flosoft> no synaptic?
[06:43] <mornfall> i like adept better ;-)
[06:47] <flosoft> what is the difference?
[06:59] <flosoft> what happened to kynaptic?
[07:03] <mornfall> flosoft: kynaptic is obsolete
[07:04] <mornfall> flosoft: it was never really maintained, sort of temporary solution
[07:04] <flosoft> ah
[07:04] <flosoft> and adept ... what is the advantage to synaptic?
[07:04] <jpatrick> flosoft: mornfall wrote Adept
[07:05] <flosoft> :)
[07:05] <jpatrick> and Adept's pretty
[07:05] <\sh> jpatrick: no..he asked what is the advantage :)
[07:06] <\sh> jpatrick: adept is pretty much more then pretty..for me it's not usable...and it should be improved
[07:06] <jpatrick> true I prefer apt-get
[07:07] <mornfall> \sh: feel free
[07:07] <\sh> jpatrick: well...thinking like a plain user, there must be something more easier...
[07:07] <mornfall> \sh: i don't have a monopoly
[07:07] <\sh> something like "add application" :)
[07:07] <flosoft> \sh: for me ... I really use the view over my packages
[07:08] <flosoft> *loose
[07:08] <flosoft> sorry
[07:08] <\sh> mornfall: there is imho a spec about it..to improve adept :)
[07:08] <mornfall> \sh: i'm working on it, but i assume you disagree with the plan
[07:09] <mornfall> \sh: (considering you assert it's not usable)
[07:10] <\sh> mornfall: there is a difference between "I use it but it's not that usable" or "it's not usable"...I think it's time to work with mpt on some things of ui style and usability
[07:11] <mornfall> \sh: you said it wasn't usable for you
[07:11] <mornfall> and who's mpt
[07:11] <\sh> mornfall: yes...for me :) 
[07:11] <\sh> mornfall: canonicals UI and usability expert 
[07:11] <mornfall> eh
[07:12] <mornfall> gnome-app-install huh?
[07:12] <\sh> mornfall: na...
[07:13] <mornfall> \sh: don't worry, i was contacted by openusability
[07:16] <\sh> mornfall: I'm looking forward to see kde 4 in action...thinking about the work is the focus and not the mouse :)
[07:17] <mornfall> i doubt kde will change much externally
[07:17] <mornfall> well, too much
[07:18] <jpatrick> I wanna see Plasma
[07:19] <\sh> well..anyways...I have to write my report about keybindings and the two desktops and the differences and difficulties to use gnome/kde with the keyboard 
[07:32] <\sh> Riddell: ping..what should we do with old admin dirs and your patch? I tried to apply it to knemo..but knemos cvs.sh doesn't know anything about extract-messages and replacing the old admin with the new admin dir doesn't work somehow...well I have to investigate
[10:21] <Riddell> \sh: if the admin dir is too old not to have extract-messages and it's only knemo I wouldn't bother
[10:22] <\sh> Riddell: well.I think we have more of them...
[10:22] <\sh> Riddell: I tried to replace it..but it doesn't work out properly