[12:04] <hunika> I have enabled the universe-multiuniverse
[12:04] <raphink> hunika: oh then you don't need w32codecs
[12:04] <raphink> you need the libmad stuff
[12:04] <chope>  /dev/hdc1       /media/hdc1     vfat    defaults        0       0
[12:05] <hunika> raphink: so how?
[12:05] <raphink> sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-plugins gstreamer0.8-plugins-multiverse gstreamer0.8-ffmpeg
[12:05] <raphink> did you do that?
[12:05] <hunika> no
[12:06] <raphink> and also
[12:06] <Darkkish_Box> hey
[12:06] <raphink> I'd say
[12:06] <Darkkish_Box> im having another linux problem
[12:06] <raphink> sudo apt-get install libmad0 xmms-mad
[12:06] <Darkkish_Box> my computer shut off for no reason at all while i was gone
[12:06] <raphink> if you want them on xmms aswell
[12:06] <raphink> Darkkish_Box: how do you know this is a linux problem ? ;)
[12:06] <hunika> raphink: I have restarted two times kaffeine
[12:06] <hunika> and now it is working !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11
[12:06] <Darkkish_Box> raphink its not
[12:06] <Darkkish_Box> im not done yet
[12:06] <Darkkish_Box> so anyways
[12:07] <raphink> good
[12:07] <raphink> oh ok
[12:07] <zaventh> chope: /dev/hdc1  /media/hdc1  vfat  users,owner,rw,umask=000  0  0
[12:07] <Darkkish_Box> when i started it back up its not bringing up any gui
[12:07] <Darkkish_Box> at all
[12:07] <Darkkish_Box> it just brings up the console style
[12:08] <Darkkish_Box> in otherwords kde never starts
[12:08] <raphink> oh ok
[12:08] <Darkkish_Box> what do i do?
[12:08] <chope> ok ill try with that zaventh, thanks, but before i reboot do you know how to get my drives to appear in media:/ (in konqueror) again?
[12:09] <Hobbsee> Darkkish_Box: sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart?
[12:09] <Darkkish_Box> ?
[12:09] <Hobbsee> type that into your console...
[12:09] <hunika> raphink: Anyway sometimes it works sometimes not
[12:09] <zaventh> they should automatically if they are detected properly...
[12:09] <Darkkish_Box> including 'restart?'
[12:09] <Hobbsee> yep
[12:09] <zaventh> btw chope
[12:09] <zaventh> dont think you have to reboot...
[12:10] <zaventh> just "sudo umount /dev/hdc1"
[12:10] <Darkkish_Box> what?
[12:10] <hunika> raphink: It plays just wma not mp3
[12:10] <hunika> raphink: What to do
[12:10] <raphink> hunika: did you install the libmad0 as I told you?
[12:10] <zaventh> and remount it with "sudo mount /dev/hdc1 /media/hdc1"
[12:10] <hunika> raphink: sorry no how and from where
[12:11] <raphink> sudo apt-get install libmad0
[12:11] <zaventh> or rather..
[12:11] <chope> zaventh: ok ill try that now
[12:11] <zaventh> try just "mount /dev/hdc1" as a user
[12:11] <apachelogger> hunika: what for using kaffeine?
[12:11] <hunika> for everyhting avi/mp3 and so on
[12:11] <apachelogger> why mp3?
[12:11] <apachelogger> therefor we have amaroK :D
[12:12] <raphink> amarok is much nicer for mp3 imo
[12:12] <hunika> I don't like amarok
[12:12] <apachelogger> btw, kubuntu's kaffeine uses gstreamer by default
[12:12] <raphink> but heh ;)
[12:12] <kkathman> hey raphink :)
[12:12] <raphink> gstreamer sucks :'(
[12:12] <raphink> hi kkathman :)
[12:12] <apachelogger> hunika: better don't do a whois on me
< :)
[12:13] <raphink> kkathman: I got kio-sword in dapper :D
[12:13] <hunika> apachelogger: I have not done
[12:14] <apachelogger> I just want to prevent it
[12:14] <raphink> no reaction, nevermind ... ;)
[12:14] <hunika> raphink: Everything works. Thanks again
[12:14] <raphink> good :)
[12:15] <hunika> raphink: Good Night
[12:15] <raphink> bye hunika
[12:15] <apachelogger> pff
[12:15] <apachelogger> not liking amaroK
[12:15] <apachelogger> :|
[12:15] <zaventh> amarok is so awesome..
[12:16] <apachelogger> oh yeah :D
[12:16] <apachelogger> amaroK++
[12:16] <chope> zaventh: mounting as user made the difference.. thanks a lot, now i can write to the drive at least.. however its still missing from media:/
[12:17] <zaventh> chope: not sure on why that is... Id upgrade to kde 3.5 if you haven't already =P
[12:18] <kkathman> i wouldnt upgrade if I were you
[12:18] <chope> why kkathman?
[12:18] <Darkkish_Box> it says sudo cannot be found
[12:19] <zaventh> why not? 3.5 is running nicely for me on three machines
[12:19] <kkathman> chope: 1) Its a transitional release, 2) it can cause problems with about 80% of most computers because of sync problems with apps
[12:19] <yo> Hi
[12:19] <kkathman> 3) there is no reason to upgrade really
[12:20] <kkathman> quite a few people that upgraded are downgrading back
[12:21] <kkathman> zaventh: you are definitely an exception
[12:21] <Darkkish_Box> gar
[12:21] <kkathman> part of that 20% :)
[12:21] <Darkkish_Box> something is wrong
[12:21] <Darkkish_Box> sudo etc/init.d/kdm restart?
[12:21] <Darkkish_Box> i typd that and it didnt work
[12:21] <zaventh> i guess.. very sleek for me
[12:22] <chope> ill think i just stay with 3.4.3, i just installed breezy and dont feel like more upgrades for now..
[12:22] <kkathman> zaventh: dapper will probably have 3.5, which is unfortunate
[12:22] <kkathman> because shortly thereafter, 4.0 will be out
[12:23] <kkathman> an zaventh do you use Konqueror?
[12:23] <zaventh> konqueror is the best part of 3.5
[12:24] <sander__> kkathman: you mean 4.0 will be done in the next 6 months?
[12:24] <zaventh> i use it for web browsing and file management
[12:24] <kkathman> well, after Dapper yes
[12:24] <sander__> My impression was it was more than a year away.
[12:25] <_ivan> hello
[12:26] <djk_> kkathman: why must dapper have 3.5?
[12:27] <Insomniac-> how do i import mail from eudora mbox files or thunderbird maildirs in kmail? it doesn't seem to recognize them when i add them as incoming accounts
[12:27] <apachelogger> djk_: because it's the latest stable when dapper gets released
[12:28] <apachelogger> kkathman: 4.0 will be out in late 2006
[12:28] <apachelogger> so there's quite some time between
[12:28] <zaventh> by the time dapper releases... it will use 3.5.2 or something with the necessary bugfixes
[12:30] <djk_> apachelogger: well yes, but if it causes problems with 80% of the pcs like kkathman said, then why
[12:31] <zaventh> djk: that's not really an accurate number =P
[12:31] <apachelogger> djk_: it's not yet 100% modified for kubuntu
[12:31] <zaventh> some people have problems some don't
[12:31] <zaventh> I run kubuntu with 3.5 on a desktop, a server, and a laptop and have no problems
[12:31] <sander__> I'm upgrading to 3.5 for the Konqueror enhancements. I was hoping for gmail/googlemaps, but maybe in 3.51. :)
[12:32] <apachelogger> sander__: what's with gmail?
[12:32] <sander__> I've tried it a bit at work, and I can vouch for what zaventh says.
[12:33] <raphink> what's with gmail sander__ ?
[12:33] <sander__> apachelogger: you can't quite do as much with gmail as you can Firefox. It's not as much a prerequisite as much as to me it means Konqueror is more compatible with the rest of the web.
[12:34] <raphink> this is not konqueror's fault sander__
[12:34] <apachelogger> sander__: you can do all hings?
[12:34] <apachelogger> !
[12:34] <Hobbsee> Darkkish_Box: try "startx" in a terminal then
[12:34] <apachelogger> things
[12:34] <raphink> as of having the same functionalities as on FF on Gmail
[12:34] <raphink> you have to use spoofing
[12:35] <sander__> I like using Konqueror as my browser, and I would like to recommend it to more people who know less about computers, but I want to keep an eye on compatibility.
[12:35] <raphink> use FF spoofing and that'll be fine on Gmail
[12:35] <zaventh> gmail requires activex controls for the advanced views
[12:35] <raphink> zaventh: ??
[12:35] <apachelogger> http://dev.bit-freaks.net/images/tmp5.png
[12:35] <apachelogger> zaventh: ?
[12:36] <zaventh> read gail yourselves :-p
[12:36] <sander__> When you log into Gmail it gives you a message about using a more compliant browser (there are some subtle functions that you can use like marking messages I believe) you can force it to use the same javascript that it does with FF, but from my experience it doesn't work with Konq 3.5.
[12:36] <zaventh> "To use Gmail's standard view, enable ActiveX controls in Internet Explorer"
[12:36] <apachelogger> sander__: tools -> change browser ident -> other -> firefox
[12:36] <raphink> sander__: use FF spoofing
[12:37] <raphink> :)
[12:37] <sander__> I'm in the midst of upgrading atm I'll try it when I'm finished. thanks.
[12:37] <apachelogger> zaventh: javascript is connected to activx afaik
[12:37] <zaventh> hah wow
[12:37] <zaventh> never tried firefox :-p
[12:37] <zaventh> learn something new every day
[12:37] <apachelogger> but it's definite javascript
[12:37] <zaventh> it does work in konq with firefox spoof
[12:38] <apachelogger> yeah
[12:38] <apachelogger> it's actually working
[12:38] <Knowerrors> Hey all, what monitors do you use (for cpu, mem, hd, net load etc) that show in the kde system tray?
[12:38] <apachelogger> google just won't support konqueror
[12:38] <apachelogger> they hate us or something like
[12:38] <raphink> google is ok to such open-source software, but they don't plan to give anything back
[12:38] <raphink> s/such/suck/
[12:38] <apachelogger> raphink: summer-of-code ;-)
[12:39] <apachelogger> though google used to support gnome
[12:39] <zaventh> doesn't bother me too much.. i download gmail into kmail anyway
[12:39] <raphink> pff
[12:39] <apachelogger> and not kde in any way
[12:39] <raphink> I'll wait till I see googleearth or googledesktop for linux
[12:39] <raphink> same here zaventh
[12:40] <zaventh> all id really like to see is a google talk client for linux... that works with the voip
[12:40] <raphink> hmm
[12:40] <kkathman> I still have problems with some web sites using Konq, whereas I dont with FFox
[12:40] <chope> they say gaim 2.0 will have it
[12:40] <zaventh> gaim is gnome :-p
[12:40] <apachelogger> yup
[12:40] <apachelogger> gaim
[12:40] <zaventh> kde is life
[12:40] <apachelogger> gaim's leading dev is working for google
[12:40] <chope> you said linux
[12:40] <zaventh> heh..
[12:41] <apachelogger> has done a lot stuff for the google talk client
[12:41] <zaventh> linux = kde  doesn't it??
[12:41] <sander__> For some of us. :)
[12:41] <apachelogger> oh yeah
[12:41] <zaventh> i would use gaim except their systray icon looks bad in kicker
[12:41] <apachelogger> linux = kde
[12:41] <zaventh> annoys me
[12:45] <zaventh> anyone know any php by chance?
[12:46] <kkathman> zaventh: I know php alot :)
[12:47] <zaventh> trying to create a script which sets up a linux user account via a web page..
[12:47] <Knowerrors> anybody here use gmail with kde... like the gmail-notify or kcheckgmail?
[12:48] <apachelogger> Knowerrors: what for should one use thoose notifing stuff?
[12:48] <zaventh> i searched for some snippets but couldn't really find any
[12:49] <Knowerrors> apachelogger: they check you gmail periodically and pop up new messages, like the winbloze system tray thing
[12:49] <kkathman> zaventh: what exactly are you trying to do?
[12:49] <apachelogger> Knowerrors: yeah but why do you need this?
[12:49] <Knowerrors> its nice and convenient
[12:50] <apachelogger> ah
[12:50] <apachelogger> ok
[12:50] <apachelogger> so what's the problem?
[12:50] <kkathman> zaventh: sounds like you want to have the use enter a user name and pass? then let the script drive a cli comman?
[12:50] <Knowerrors> Im bout to download the kcheckgmail and see how well it works...
[12:50] <zaventh> kkathman: right
[12:50] <Knowerrors> just seeing if anyone else used it apachelogger ... like which one of those two is better
[12:50] <Hobbsee> Knowerrors: havent used them, i use the moztraybiff extension with thunderbird
[12:51] <apachelogger> Knowerrors: kcheckgmail .... better integrated
[12:51] <chope> Knowerrors: i tried them in the past but they didnt connect.. if you use firefox maybe the plugin is better for you
[12:51] <Knowerrors> yeah, I use firefox...
[12:51] <kkathman> zaventh: there should be a mysql command that does that
[12:51] <Knowerrors> How bout good system monitor sensors for the kde tray?  Any suggestions?
[12:51] <kkathman> that is in the php base
[12:52] <kkathman> but maybe not
[12:52] <Hobbsee> Knowerrors: ksensors, i think
[12:52] <zaventh> hmm
[12:52] <kkathman> most of the php  things are to manipulate a database in MySQL not do the admin functions you normally would do with msqladmin
[12:52] <apachelogger> Knowerrors: system guard
[12:53] <apachelogger> imo the best looking ;-)
[12:53] <Hobbsee> oh yeah, that lol
[12:53] <Hobbsee> forgot about that
[12:54] <Knowerrors> apachelogger: that doesn't show monitor in tray though, or can it?
[12:54] <apachelogger> no in tray but in taskbar
[12:54] <apachelogger> and you won't find one for the tray, imo
[12:54] <Knowerrors> Im looking for something that would show net activity, cpu, memory, temp... etc, as a tray thing
[12:54] <apachelogger> eh?
[12:54] <apachelogger> ah
[12:55] <Knowerrors> not of individual apps
[12:55] <Knowerrors> just system wide load and activity
[12:55] <apachelogger> there is nothing like this
[12:55] <apachelogger> Knowerrors: system guard is it nearly ;-)
[12:55] <jjesse> doesn't superkaramba have something that does that?
[12:55] <apachelogger> jjesse: there are lotz of such applets
[12:56] <Knowerrors> jjesse: yeah, but that puts it on the desktop, or in a new bar, not the regular kde tray..
[12:56] <Knowerrors> I had something with status bars in Mepis kde, forget what it was called
[12:57] <apachelogger> Knowerrors: isn't it status enough? http://dev.bit-freaks.net/images/tmp6.png
[12:57] <chope> maybe KTimemon
[12:57] <apachelogger> ah yeah
[12:57] <apachelogger> ktimemon
[12:57] <apachelogger> that's probably the best
[12:58] <slow-motion> n8 ihr wixxer
[12:58] <chope> http://www.fortunecity.com/victorian/university/394/sw/ktimemon-panel.png
[12:58] <Knowerrors> I was looking at conky, though thats on the desktop... its much lighter that superkaramba
[12:59] <Knowerrors> hmm ktimemon wasn't in the repositories...
[01:01] <kkathman> zaventh: Here is someone that did do that though: http://www.codingforums.com/showthread.php?t=7603
[01:01] <kkathman> you might could get their contact info
[01:03] <apachelogger> Knowerrors: as you'll see it's quite old ;-)
[01:04] <zaventh> thanks kkathman
[01:05] <Knowerrors> maybe ksim
[01:06] <kkathman> zaventh: I checked a couple of books and they didnt mention it...I'll keep looking tho
[01:07] <zaventh> think this would work kkathman? http://www.sitepoint.com/article/php-command-line-2
[01:14] <Coolio10> hi
[01:14] <Coolio10> anyone here?
[01:14] <chope> hi
[01:14] <rev> hello
[01:15] <Coolio10> when you start windows does the cpu boot a cd or does it load grub first thing?
[01:15] <chope> you set that on the bios
[01:15] <sander__> cd first depending on bios.
[01:15] <rev> in bios?
[01:16] <rev> oh yeah
[01:16] <Coolio10> ok
[01:16] <Coolio10> good
[01:16] <rev> boot seqence
[01:16] <Coolio10> just checking if i can boot cds before grub just incase it killed my mbr
[01:16] <rev> i'm fasinated you play with linux before you know bios
[01:17] <chope> also, many bios have a 'boot select' (F11 maybe) to select the booting device manually
[01:17] <Coolio10> also when you install kubuntu it will let you choose the partition but ive seen it is labeled IDE in screenshots so how will you choose the right partiiton because i deffinitely dont want my windows removed!
[01:17] <rev> hmm. i think i have one that dose that
[01:18] <rev> it wont remove
[01:18] <rev> if you pick bootector then you wil have to deal with grub every time
[01:18] <Coolio10> i thought if you choose your windows partiiton it will erase all data?
[01:18] <chope> are your partitions the same size?
[01:18] <rev> bootsector*
[01:18] <Coolio10> im not talking about grub anymore
[01:18] <chope> becaus if not you can identify them by size
[01:18] <Coolio10> im talking about the actual kubuntu install
[01:19] <Coolio10> ok
[01:19] <Coolio10> thanks
[01:19] <rev> i recomend a defrag of win partiion first
[01:19] <Coolio10> i use perfectdisk
[01:19] <rev> then make new linux partition
[01:19] <Coolio10> so will 20GB partiiton cover the kubuntu install?
[01:19] <rev> more than enough
[01:20] <Coolio10> ok
[01:20] <rev> 2g will do
[01:20] <rev> i say 6g for some room to ploay with
[01:20] <Coolio10> any programs i can use to partition that are not old?
[01:20] <rev> but def4rag the win pat first
[01:20] <Coolio10> not qtparted
[01:20] <Coolio10> i have
[01:20] <rev> umm
[01:21] <rev> not sure if ubuntu has partition managment upon install. i'e been using the old ext3 part i had from other installs
[01:22] <chope> you mean for windows right?
[01:24] <Coolio10> yea
[01:24] <Coolio10> havent installed linux yet
[01:24] <rev> are yo defraging windows now?
[01:24] <Coolio10> i cant find any good free ones
[01:24] <Coolio10> yes
[01:24] <rev> all linux is fre
[01:25] <rev> a nice one disk linux is uuntu or kubuntu
[01:25] <rev> ubuntu*
[01:25] <sander__> Coolio10: what's a matter with qtparted?
[01:25] <rev> kubuntu has a bug tho
[01:25] <rev> easy fix tho
[01:26] <Coolio10> it it for windows?
[01:26] <kkathman> uggh
[01:26] <rev> is what for windows?
[01:26] <Coolio10> qtparted
[01:26] <angasule> qtparted, I gues
[01:26] <chope> you want to resize right? because if not the kubuntu installer is enough
[01:26] <Coolio10> yes
[01:27] <rev> ubuntu will resize right?
[01:27] <LeeJunFan> yes, kubuntu will resize.
[01:27] <rev> ok
[01:27] <sander__> No get knoppix, then open a root terminal from the k menu and type qtparted. It will allow you to resize your partiitons.
[01:27] <LeeJunFan> ubuntu too.
[01:27] <rev> then you need to defrag the win partion first
[01:27] <LeeJunFan> rev: all you have to do is enter a new size for your windows partition, it'll take care of the rest.
[01:27] <rev> always defrag win partion
[01:28] <rev> i have had probs by not first defrawging
[01:28] <sander__> Also put the linux partitions at the end, because Windows likes to be first.
[01:28] <LeeJunFan> rev: yeah, it's best to defrag first.
[01:28] <chope> just to use qtparted he could get SystemRescueCD from www.sysresccd.org which is 110mb
[01:28] <rev> windows loe to be on center stage
[01:28] <rev> loves*
[01:29] <LeeJunFan> better yet remove it.
[01:29] <rev> rofl
[01:29] <LeeJunFan> resize it to 0.
[01:29] <rev> no
[01:29] <rev> i use both
[01:29] <rev> for a reason
[01:30] <djk_> it really doesn't matter if windows is hda1 or hda 10..
[01:30] <rev> non internet things on win and the world on linux
[01:32] <sophie_> Hello all Im experimenting with mencoder I love mpgg4
[01:38] <Coolio10> how can i tell if kubuntu install detects my windows?
[01:38] <Coolio10> im not installing it unless it detects windows or grub wont load my windows!
[01:39] <zaventh> if it shows your windows xp setup during installation
[01:39] <djk_> it'll say something about different OSs on your pc
[01:40] <Darkkish_Box> hey
[01:40] <Darkkish_Box> ok i have noticed something
[01:41] <Darkkish_Box> the only time i seem to get the wierd problem is when i open something like a web browser.
[01:41] <sophie_> Darkkish_Box: explain a litle more
[01:42] <Knowerrors> anyone here use gmail with firefox on kde?
[01:42] <Darkkish_Box> me
[01:42] <Darkkish_Box> i mean
[01:42] <Knowerrors> its weird thats theres no auto word wrap when composing a message, it just keeps going in one long line until you hit enter
[01:42] <Darkkish_Box> i could try it
[01:42] <Darkkish_Box> lol strange
[01:43] <Knowerrors> really bugs me!
[01:43] <Darkkish_Box> i just dled FF
[01:43] <Knowerrors> I will try it in Konq too
[01:44] <sophie_> Knowerrors: I do use gmail in firefox
[01:44] <chope> is there an avidemux package for kubuntu?
[01:44] <Knowerrors> do you have that problem sophie_ ? with the compose not doing auto wordwrap?
[01:45] <sophie_> Knowerrors: let me try it out
[01:45] <waltermh> hi all
[01:46] <sophie_> Knowerrors: no problem here word wrapping is working
[01:46] <chope> Knowerrors: i have the same problem
[01:46] <chope> sophie_:are you using 1.5?
[01:47] <Knowerrors> Im using 1.07
[01:47] <Darkkish_Box> can someone teach me how to install things with linux
[01:47] <Darkkish_Box> like firefox
[01:47] <Darkkish_Box> i just downloded the gz
[01:47] <Knowerrors> Darkkish_Box: just use Adept, or Synaptic
[01:47] <chope> Darkkish_Box: depends on the soft, in this case firefox has an installer
[01:47] <Knowerrors> thats the easy way
[01:47] <waltermh> i just downloaded kubuntu today, i burnt it to cd, and i get all the way to the install base system part, where it fails at 6 percent, then i tried again, not reboot, just tried again right away, it went to 25%, i then checked dvd integrity, it failed
[01:48] <chope> uncompress it
[01:48] <angasule> Darkkish_Box: using kubuntu linux, you install software with a special program called Adept
[01:48] <waltermh> i burnt a second dvd checking disk integrity at burn time, it passed, i then checked dvd integrity from installer, it fails again
[01:48] <angasule> chope: he should learn about adept first, I think
[01:48] <waltermh> i checked file integrity by using bittorrent on the file, it passed
[01:49] <chope> yea but uncompressing and reading the INSTALL or README file wont harm
[01:49] <waltermh> any ideas why it would fail integrity check only at install time, when it looks ok everywhere else?
[01:50] <Darkkish_Box> so where is the installer?
[01:50] <Darkkish_Box> for firefox
[01:50] <angasule> chope: he'll end up with a messed system
[01:50] <angasule> Darkkish_Box: you should learn to use Adept to install software, it's safer and the 'right' way to do it
[01:50] <MrBlowtatoes> can anyone help me get a unrar program i have tried p\apt-get install rar , unrar-nonfree and unrar-free, neither of them work, and i have universe and multiverse enabled
[01:50] <waltermh> shouldnt it just be apt-get firefox from cli? real easy, or is it apt-get install firefox? havent used apt-get in awhile
[01:51] <zaventh> sudo apt-get install firefox
[01:51] <chope> which is the firefox version in the repositories?
[01:52] <Darkkish_Box> where do i find adept?
[01:52] <zaventh> K>System
[01:52] <Darkkish_Box> oh.
[01:52] <Darkkish_Box> i just did the apt-get
[01:52] <Darkkish_Box> lol
[01:52] <zaventh> cope: just run "sudo apt-get -s install firefox" and you'll see the version to be installed
[01:52] <chope> its the same thing, but with gui
[01:53] <Darkkish_Box> right i know
[01:53] <Darkkish_Box> adept == apt?
[01:53] <zaventh> adept is so much nicer than that old kynaptic crap
[01:53] <meglamoor> i just installed kubuntu on my computer... im a newbie
[01:54] <meglamoor> looks great, love it. but im stuck in 640x400 screen size and there is no way out
[01:54] <meglamoor> any help?
[01:54] <Darkkish_Box> X
[01:54] <Darkkish_Box> lol
[01:54] <djk_> meglamoor: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[01:54] <Darkkish_Box> i have a similar problem
[01:55] <Darkkish_Box> but im convinced its fixed
[01:55] <meglamoor> im a newbie... that means nothing to me
[01:55] <meglamoor> where do i type that in :)
[01:55] <Darkkish_Box> K > system > console
[01:55] <meglamoor> k
[01:55] <Darkkish_Box> im learning :-D
[01:55] <Darkkish_Box> anyways, now that i installed firefox
[01:56] <Darkkish_Box> where is teh icon
[01:56] <dissed> is there any way to jump between the desktops in kde?
[01:56] <dissed> through the keyboard?
[01:56] <Insomniac-> yes
[01:56] <Darkkish_Box> how
[01:57] <Darkkish_Box> lol
[01:57] <Insomniac-> i've set my winkey + arrows to move between virt. desktops
[01:57] <Insomniac-> i don't remember, i'll try to find it
[01:57] <Darkkish_Box> so where do i find firefox now?
[01:58] <_peter> hola
[01:58] <Insomniac-> Darkkish_Box: found it
[01:59] <_peter> hay alguien?
[01:59] <MrBlowtatoes> what is a good linux P2P?
[01:59] <Insomniac-> Darkkish_Box: in kde control center: regional & accessibility -> keyboard shortcuts -> desktop switching
[01:59] <Darkkish_Box> yeah
[01:59] <Darkkish_Box> ok i installed FF with adept
[01:59] <Darkkish_Box> now where is the icon?
[02:00] <Darkkish_Box> or even the binary
[02:00] <Darkkish_Box> how do i open it
[02:00] <Darkkish_Box> lol
[02:00] <Knowerrors> chope: which FF are you using?
[02:00] <Darkkish_Box> there is only one that i found
[02:00] <sophie_> chope Im not using firefox 1.5
[02:00] <Darkkish_Box> oh
[02:00] <Insomniac-> sorry meant dissed ^^
[02:00] <zaventh> K>Internet?
[02:00] <Darkkish_Box> didnt see it
[02:00] <Darkkish_Box> oh wait
[02:00] <Darkkish_Box> found it, thanks
[02:00] <Darkkish_Box> haha
[02:00] <zaventh> ^_^
[02:00] <Darkkish_Box> its not the same as the windows icon
[02:01] <Darkkish_Box> i was looking for an orange fox :-p
[02:01] <sophie_> Cheapie:
[02:01] <Cheapie> HUHWHA
[02:01] <sophie_> sorry Cheapie
[02:02] <Knowerrors> sophie_: wonder why your gmail compose works fine...?
[02:02] <rev> MrBlowtatoes: amule is fine
[02:02] <waltermh> :( seems its an incompatible dvdrom drive issue, odd how a dvdrom can work on one distro or even version of a distro and not another
[02:02] <Knowerrors> what java version are you using sophie_ ?
[02:02] <sophie_> Knowerrors: let me check
[02:02] <MrBlowtatoes> well, is there a soulseek version for linux?
[02:03] <rev> i had a vid card that would not work on many os's for 4 years
[02:03] <sophie_> Knowerrors: ava version "1.4.2-02"
[02:03] <sophie_> Java(TM) 2 Runtime Environment, Standard Edition (build Blackdown-1.4.2-02)
[02:03] <sophie_> Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM (build Blackdown-1.4.2-02, mixed mode)
[02:03] <rev> soulseek?
[02:03] <MrBlowtatoes> yes
[02:03] <MrBlowtatoes> P2P with msotly electronic/metal music, heh
[02:04] <Insomniac-> MrBlowtatoes: mldonkey has support for soulseek but it might still be alpha
[02:04] <MrBlowtatoes> mldonkey?
[02:04] <Knowerrors> sophie_: hmm same here, trying to think of what gmail uses that would do this for me and not for you
[02:04] <Knowerrors> and for chope
[02:04] <Insomniac-> MrBlowtatoes: client for most file transfer protocols including p2p
[02:06] <dissed> Insomniac-, : thanks
[02:08] <Darkkish_Box> ok how do i install macromedia flash player 7
[02:08] <MrBlowtatoes> is there any way to make an icon ona  desktop that runs a terminal command? to say, open programs?
[02:08] <Darkkish_Box> like a batch?
[02:08] <MrBlowtatoes> sure
[02:08] <Coolio10> hi again
[02:08] <Darkkish_Box> im sure there is :-p
[02:09] <Darkkish_Box> but im not the person to ask
[02:09] <Darkkish_Box> lol
[02:09] <MrBlowtatoes> Well, i don't like sueing terminal to op[en all my programs [bnecasue if i clsoe temrinal, the programs close, and soewmtiems the prograsms cause temrinal to hang] 
[02:09] <Coolio10> i just downloaded about 3 free partiiton programs and none of them will work!
[02:09] <arafat> Darkkish_Box: apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree ?
[02:09] <MrBlowtatoes> wow, spell check for me
[02:09] <MrBlowtatoes> ubtuntu comes wiht a partition program
[02:10] <Coolio10> is it reliable?
[02:10] <Darkkish_Box> sweet!
[02:10] <Darkkish_Box> is there a way to make it so tasks arent grouped?
[02:10] <MrBlowtatoes> i suppose
[02:10] <Coolio10> no i want to resize a partition before i install kubuntu
[02:10] <MrBlowtatoes> @coolio
[02:10] <MrBlowtatoes> there is an option
[02:10] <MrBlowtatoes> to manually partition
[02:10] <Coolio10> ?
[02:11] <Insomniac-> MrBlowtatoes: right click on desktop > create new > link to application
[02:11] <MrBlowtatoes> when you install kubtunu, there is an option to manually partition your drives
[02:11] <MrBlowtatoes> i don't know where the app is, or i woudl jsut make a shrot cut, heh
[02:11] <warf> hi everyone^^
[02:11] <Insomniac-> MrBlowtatoes: do you know what the executable is called?
[02:11] <MrBlowtatoes> i have not yet found the files which is equvelent to 'program fiels' form windows
[02:11] <MrBlowtatoes> fceu
[02:12] <Insomniac-> MrBlowtatoes: there is no program files equivalent in linux
[02:12] <MrBlowtatoes> folder*
[02:12] <Coolio10> MrBlowtatoes:How do i do that?
[02:12] <kish_Box> oops
[02:12] <Darkish_Box> me either
[02:12] <Insomniac-> programs are stored in /bin /sbin /usr/sbin etc.
[02:12] <MrBlowtatoes> the partition program si automatic, meanign, it automaticly coems up durign installation
[02:12] <Coolio10> oh
[02:12] <MrBlowtatoes> ugh
[02:12] <chope> Darkkish_Box:right-click on the panel> configure>taskbar >group similar tasks: never
[02:13] <MrBlowtatoes> is there a reason why a program is randomly thrown into oen fo these folders?
[02:13] <Insomniac-> yes it's a good way to have them all in the executable path making scripting easy
[02:13] <Darkish_Box> ok
[02:13] <MrBlowtatoes> also, how do i get a program to shwo up in the applications menu on the start bar?
[02:13] <Darkish_Box> so i cant find the macromedia flash 7
[02:14] <Insomniac-> MrBlowtatoes: if the package you installed doesn't automatically come with a application link you'll have to create one yourself
[02:14] <MrBlowtatoes> most5 of them don't
[02:15] <MrBlowtatoes> and as a result, i don't geta nchance to run them [becasue i can;t find them] 
[02:15] <Insomniac-> MrBlowtatoes: open a konsole and use tab completion
[02:15] <Coolio10> MrBlowtatoes:So the kubuntu install can resize a partiiton and create a new partiiton for itself?
[02:15] <chope> MrBlowtatoes: if you want to edit the k menu just right click> menu editor
[02:15] <MrBlowtatoes> it did for me, though, to be sure, i woudl ask someone who knows more abotu it
[02:15] <Darkish_Box> so how do i install flash player?
[02:16] <Insomniac-> MrBlowtatoes: if you type a few first letters and hit tab it'll try to complete your command or show a list of available commands starting with those letters
[02:16] <MrBlowtatoes> hrm, fceu has no Gui
[02:16] <djk_> Darkish_Box: there are instructions on the flashplayer site..
[02:17] <chope> Darkish_Box apt flashplayer-mozilla
[02:17] <Knowerrors> hmm Kcheckgmail doesn't seem to work
[02:17] <chope> or what djk_ says if you want to be sure to have the latest version
[02:18] <Darkish_Box> i dont see "flashplayer-mozilla"
[02:18] <dissed> anyone who can tell me where i can modify the mouse buttons?
[02:18] <djk_> chope: also so he knows how to do it in dapper, because flashplayer-mozilla will be gone afaik
[02:18] <chope> or easier
[02:18] <Darkish_Box> k > sys settings > mice?
[02:18] <dissed> cant do anything there
[02:18] <chope> just go to a site with flash and install it from inside firefox
[02:18] <Coolio10> MrBlowtatoes:The only reason im trying to create a partiiton first is because im afraid ill mess up with the kubuntu one and delete my windows!
[02:19] <MrBlowtatoes> heh
[02:19] <Darkish_Box> chope: it said "unknown plugin" manual install
[02:19] <MrBlowtatoes> how big is your HD?
[02:20] <chope> mmm.. it worked for me.. so i guess you should just go to the flash site as djk_ says
[02:20] <Coolio10> Local Disk C  Total size 153GB And 50.9GB Free space
[02:20] <MrBlowtatoes> well the program i isnatlled is not in /bin /sbin or /usr/bin
[02:20] <Coolio10> MrBlowtatoes:In idot langauge please?
[02:21] <MrBlowtatoes> ?
[02:21] <Insomniac-> MrBlowtatoes: which program?
[02:21] <MrBlowtatoes> fceu
[02:21] <Coolio10> MrBlowtatoes:i dont understand  isnatlled is not in /bin /sbin or /usr/bin
[02:21] <MrBlowtatoes> i was tlkaing to insom
[02:22] <Coolio10> ok
[02:22] <chope> Darkish_Box: http://fpdownload.macromedia.com/get/flashplayer/current/install_flash_player_7_linux.tar.gz should work
[02:22] <djk_> chope: give him the link to the instructions as well ;)
[02:22] <Insomniac-> MrBlowtatoes: it starts with fceu
[02:22] <Darkish_Box> chope:  how do i install it?
[02:22] <djk_> see..
[02:23] <Insomniac-> MrBlowtatoes: /usr/games/fceu on my system
[02:23] <Coolio10> im gonna try create a partiiton with kubuntu installation and if im successful ill be back!
[02:23] <Insomniac-> MrBlowtatoes: not all programs come with a gui
[02:23] <chope> lol.. sorry http://www.macromedia.com/shockwave/download/download.cgi?P1_Prod_Version=ShockwaveFlash&P2_Platform=Linux&P3_Browser_Version=Netscape7&P5_Language=English&Lang=English&=Go
[02:23] <MrBlowtatoes> i noticed
[02:23] <MrBlowtatoes> htings are much mroe difficult wqithout gui
[02:24] <djk_> Darkish_Box: make sure you install the required fonts for flashplayer as well..
[02:24] <MrBlowtatoes> do you use fceu?
[02:24] <Insomniac-> no
[02:24] <Insomniac-> MrBlowtatoes: type fceu in a konsole and see which parameters you need
[02:24] <MrBlowtatoes> theres a crapload
[02:24] <chope> installing sid packages has any dangers?
[02:25] <MrBlowtatoes> how do i install from  a source file?
[02:26] <LeeJunFan> why does k3b call it's images .iso when they clearly are not iso's? argh
[02:26] <chope> you must compile first
[02:26] <chope> configure and then compile actually
[02:26] <chope> it has instructions in the INSTALL file
[02:28] <djk_> !compile
[02:28] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CompilingSoftware
[02:29] <meglamoor> i just trued running sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, and now when it restarts it hangs on Checking battery state...   [ok] 
[02:29] <Darkkish_Box> ok
[02:29] <Darkkish_Box> refresh rate problem
[02:29] <Darkkish_Box> help
[02:30] <meglamoor> anyway to fix this
[02:30] <Darkkish_Box> i tried configureing X
[02:30] <Darkkish_Box> and it hasnt helped
[02:31] <Coolio10> who thinks kubuntu is better the ubuntu?
[02:31] <Darkkish_Box> heh
[02:32] <Darkkish_Box> i like KDS
[02:32] <Darkkish_Box> KDE
[02:32] <Darkkish_Box> although right now im having a bit of a problem with it :-(
[02:32] <Coolio10> yea KDE is way cooler
[02:32] <Darkkish_Box> brb
[02:32] <Coolio10> looks nicer too eith the look of windows
[02:32] <Knowerrors> Coolio10: kubuntu is only better because its got kde... kubuntu is more buggy though as a distro than ubuntu
[02:33] <meglamoor> i couldnt get ubuntu to work, thats why i tried kubuntu
[02:33] <chope> i liked the gnome menu, but nautilus... i found konqueror much better
[02:33] <Coolio10> but kubuntu is newer so it would take long
[02:33] <Knowerrors> when the new release comes out, hopfully there will be equal effort on each
[02:33] <meglamoor> it gave me a isolinux error when it was unzipping,
[02:33] <Coolio10> it works
[02:34] <Knowerrors> chope: and sophie_ , konq gmail works fine for wordwrap when composing
[02:34] <meglamoor> im having problems installing the k display manager while kubuntu starrts
[02:34] <Coolio10> wh here is using konversation?
[02:34] <meglamoor> errr... i mean inizialing it i mean
[02:35] <Darkkish_Box> i am
[02:35] <Knowerrors> Anybody using kcheckgmail?
[02:35] <Knowerrors> Im using konversation, best irc for kde IMO
[02:36] <Darkkish_Box> yeah i like mIRC to bad it isnt made for linux :'(
[02:36] <Darkkish_Box> i just have to use wine.
[02:36] <Darkkish_Box> anyways about this problem
[02:36] <Darkkish_Box> refresh problem
[02:36] <waltermh> i tried googling kubuntu net install but dont get anything about netinstall sites, i mean where can i get mirrors to manually enter into the installer so i can try a net install?
[02:36] <Darkkish_Box> does ANYONE have a fix for it?
[02:36] <waltermh> iu dont see anything on the site either, am i missing something obvious?
[02:36] <chope> Knowerrors: its strange that it works in firefox only for sophie_, in general, ive found that ie made sites which have problems in firefox go better in konqueror
[02:37] <Knowerrors> I don't have same problem in FF on windows...
[02:37] <waltermh> yes, firefox is less forgiving, or used to be at least, then other browsers
[02:37] <Knowerrors> and strange that Konq doesn't have the same problem as FF in gmail
[02:40] <waltermh>  not really, they each have different rendering engines, so would handle some things differently
[02:42] <Darkkish_Box> man ping timeout is long on this server
[02:42] <meglamoor> i just reconfigured xserver xorg and it still is in 640x480
[02:42] <Darkkish_Box> lol
[02:42] <meglamoor> any tips?
[02:42] <Darkkish_Box> yes
[02:42] <meglamoor> i know it recognizes my card and moniter
[02:42] <meglamoor> monitor and resolution types
[02:42] <Darkkish_Box> k > system settings > display
[02:42] <MrBlowtatoes> is there a apckage with all the common video decoders?
[02:42] <MrBlowtatoes> for ASF and MPEG?
[02:43] <meglamoor> im in there, it only shows 640-480
[02:43] <MrBlowtatoes> kaffien can't play these files
[02:43] <meglamoor> and smaller
[02:45] <Knowerrors> chope: gmail problem of autowordwrap on FF seems to have fixed itself after I logged off and restarted FF
[02:45] <djk_> !w32codecs
[02:46] <Darkkish_Box> lol
[02:46] <meglamoor> any help on setting up screen resolution? im about to through my screen out the window :)
[02:46] <Darkkish_Box> !list
[02:46] <ubotu> it has been said that list is you can see a list of things I know at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbotuUsage
[02:46] <Darkkish_Box> hmm
[02:46] <MrBlowtatoes> ?
[02:46] <djk_> Darkkish_Box: what do you want to know?
[02:47] <Darkkish_Box> what the '!' did
[02:47] <Darkkish_Box> lol\
[02:47] <Darkkish_Box> i thought maybe there was an fserve or something
[02:47] <djk_> triggers ubotu to say what he knows about a certain factoid.
[02:47] <Darkkish_Box> yeah
[02:48] <Darkkish_Box> so what is a good googletalk program for linux?
[02:48] <djk_> but the !w32codecs factoid is too large, thus it queried me instead of posting it here
[02:48] <Darkkish_Box> a jabber maybe
[02:48] <chope> Knowerrors: i just reailzed i checked if it worked with a long aaaaaaaaaaa... but now i realized as that was 'one word only' it wouldn't autowrap, now i checked with words and it also works
[02:49] <Darkkish_Box> i just did ctrl alt esc and clicked the K bar
[02:49] <Darkkish_Box> what do i do to get it back? lol
[02:50] <Insomniac-> alt-f2 and start kicker
[02:50] <chope> Darkkish_Box, for chatting only you can use kopete, check here http://wiki.kde.org/tiki-index.php?page=Google+Talk+support, for voip youll have to wait for gaim 2.0
[02:51] <Darkkish_Box> ok so what about my bar problem
[02:51] <Insomniac-> just told you
[02:51] <Darkkish_Box> it didnt do anything
[02:51] <Darkkish_Box> but
[02:51] <Darkkish_Box> i just figured out flock was off
[02:52] <Darkkish_Box> damned m$ keyboards
[02:52] <Insomniac-> press alt-f2, type kicker, hit enter
[02:52] <Darkkish_Box> yeah
[02:52] <Darkkish_Box> you wouldnt know about F lock probably
[02:52] <Darkkish_Box> its a dumb thing m$ came up with on thier new keyboards
[02:52] <Insomniac-> your keyboard has special features?
[02:52] <Darkkish_Box> yeah
[02:53] <Darkkish_Box> a button that turns the f keys into
[02:53] <Darkkish_Box> help
[02:53] <Darkkish_Box> undo
[02:53] <Darkkish_Box> redo
[02:53] <Darkkish_Box> new
[02:53] <Darkkish_Box> open
[02:53] <Darkkish_Box> close
[02:53] <Darkkish_Box> etc
[02:53] <Insomniac-> how pointless
[02:53] <Darkkish_Box> i know
[02:53] <LeeJunFan> If MS has 1/2 a brain they'd make a keyboard that had ctrl-alt-del in one keypress :)
[02:54] <Darkkish_Box> lol
[02:54] <Darkkish_Box> thats a good idea
[02:54] <Darkkish_Box> you should suggest that ;-)
[02:54] <Darkkish_Box> i should make a keyboard shortcut for that when im using XP
[02:55] <chope> if MS had 1/2 brain uncle billy wouldnt be where he is
[02:55] <Darkkish_Box> true
[02:55] <MrBlowtatoes> wha does this error mean?
[02:55] <MrBlowtatoes> OIL: ERROR liboiltest.c 247: (): illegal instruction in idct8x8_s16_mmx
[02:56] <LeeJunFan> chope: some things are just dumb luck, right place right time. MS won the lemming lottery, that's all, just like VHS won out over Betamax
[02:56] <MrBlowtatoes> lemming lotery?
[02:57] <LeeJunFan> MrBlowtatoes: yeah, lemmings: animals that are so stupid they follow their leader off a cliff to their death.
[02:57] <LeeJunFan> MrBlowtatoes: MS customers are lemmings.
[02:57] <mrmarcel> gn8
[02:57] <MrBlowtatoes> hey!!!!, i like that game [and it's linux counter part] 
[02:57] <Darkkish_Box> damn
[02:57] <Darkkish_Box> hey
[02:57] <Darkkish_Box> does ANYONE here know how to fix the garbled screen problem
[02:57] <Darkkish_Box> i have reconfigured X so many times.
[02:58] <MrBlowtatoes> anywas, is that error bad?
[02:59] <Darkkish_Box> hello?
[02:59] <chope> Darkkish_Box, do you have a knoppix cd?
[02:59] <Darkkish_Box> no
[02:59] <Darkkish_Box> not on me
[02:59] <Darkkish_Box> why?
[02:59] <chope> maybe you could boot and check out the xfree.conf
[03:00] <Darkkish_Box> cant i do that in kubuntu?
[03:00] <chope> i think it has good autodetection
[03:00] <MrBlowtatoes> hrm is .Mp3 a restricted format?
[03:01] <cold> whats the name of the file u edit to look for package updates over the net?
[03:01] <Darkkish_Box> where is the xfree.conf file?
[03:02] <MrBlowtatoes> sources.list ?
[03:02] <chope> Darkkish_Box: in knoppix its /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[03:02] <LeeJunFan> Darkkish_Box: /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[03:02] <chope> sorry in kubuntu i meant
[03:02] <LeeJunFan> MrBlowtatoes: yeah, mp3 is.
[03:02] <Insomniac-> MrBlowtatoes: mp3 is patented by the fraunhofer institute
[03:02] <MrBlowtatoes> so i need to get special codecs before i can play mp3?
[03:03] <MrBlowtatoes> man, ain't that a bitch
[03:03] <zaventh> anyone here on the kubuntu dev team?
[03:03] <Darkkish_Box> chope:  can i PM you?
[03:04] <chope> MrBlowtatoes: its part of the ubuntu philosophy, other distros have it out-of-the-box
[03:04] <chope> MrBlowtatoes: check out https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[03:04] <chope> Darkkish_Box: yea
[03:04] <djk_> chope: fedora doesn't have it either..
[03:05] <zaventh> most dont
[03:06] <LeeJunFan> so why are gifs and jpegs supported then? Sometimes I just don't get linux distro's choices of free vs non-free.
[03:06] <kkathman> its a mystery LeeJunFan :)
[03:07] <waltermh> ok, i got netinstall working, but now it says to choose what kernel to install, and 2 choices seem like they could be it, kernel 686 and kernel k7, what is k7? i have an amd athlon 1.92g
[03:07] <Darkkish_Box> chope:  in PM
[03:07] <MrBlowtatoes> heh, i suppose i could just run winamy or mediaplayer through wine
[03:07] <MrBlowtatoes> winamp*
[03:07] <LeeJunFan> MrBlowtatoes: getting mp3's to play isn't that hard.
[03:07] <zaventh> or.. you could just spend 5 seconds and enable mp3 support =P
[03:07] <Darkkish_Box> lol
[03:07] <LeeJunFan> MrBlowtatoes: yeah, take less time than getting it to work with wine.
[03:07] <MrBlowtatoes> i'm triyng to getASF and MPEG
[03:08] <seth_k|lappy> waltermh, you want k7. Athlons are K7, unless you have an athlon-64
[03:08] <MrBlowtatoes> well, how do i get mp3s working, might as well do it anyways
[03:08] <waltermh> ok, thanks
[03:09] <zaventh> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[03:10] <MrBlowtatoes> mp3 is nto listed
[03:10] <zaventh> its like the first one
[03:10] <zaventh> sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-plugins gstreamer0.8-plugins-multiverse gstreamer0.8-ffmpeg
[03:10] <MrBlowtatoes> sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-plugins gstreamer0.8-plugins-multiverse gstreamer0.8-ffmpeg
[03:10] <MrBlowtatoes> that command gave me a shit load of OIL errors
[03:10] <zaventh> enable the repos first
[03:11] <MrBlowtatoes>  OIL: ERROR liboiltest.c 247: (): illegal instruction in idct8x8_s16_mmx
[03:11] <MrBlowtatoes> they already are
[03:11] <zaventh> no idea what that is
[03:11] <MrBlowtatoes> that error poped up under every single setup
[03:11] <zaventh> something with your system is messed
[03:12] <MrBlowtatoes> crud, man, i really don't want to go back to windows, though, it seems like i may have to
[03:12] <chope> Darkkish_Box: im sorry i dont have much experience at irc and im having trouble with the nickserv
[03:13] <MrBlowtatoes> too many things i need are windows based
[03:13] <zaventh> such as?
[03:14] <MrBlowtatoes> VBS, file formats, toens of winapps
[03:14] <MrBlowtatoes> tones*
[03:14] <MrBlowtatoes> tons*
[03:14] <LeeJunFan> MrBlowtatoes: what type of CPU do you have? liboil does special functions for different CPU's, seems like there's an incompatability with yours.
[03:14] <zaventh> file formats?
[03:14] <MrBlowtatoes> i suppose i'll wiat another year untill everyhtign is easyer, heh
[03:14] <MrBlowtatoes> Celeron
[03:14] <MrBlowtatoes> yes, video, mp3, .rar
[03:15] <MrBlowtatoes> i can't get any rar utility working
[03:15] <MrBlowtatoes> then again, my computer is from 1998
[03:15] <MrBlowtatoes> lol
[03:15] <zaventh> all those things work under linux..
[03:15] <zaventh> is it x86? -_-
[03:15] <MrBlowtatoes> ?
[03:15] <MrBlowtatoes> what si that?
[03:15] <zaventh> like a pentium/amd?
[03:16] <LeeJunFan> zaventh: yeah, he's got a celeron.
[03:16] <MrBlowtatoes> p2
[03:16] <MrBlowtatoes> well
[03:16] <MrBlowtatoes> er, yeah
[03:16] <zaventh> you install kubuntu from the breezy cd?
[03:16] <MrBlowtatoes> yes
[03:16] <MrBlowtatoes> i also got OIL errors during the installation
[03:16] <zaventh> try playing Mp3s anyhow
[03:17] <LeeJunFan> MrBlowtatoes: ah, I don't suppose you MD5'd the disc you burned against the MD5SUM's from the kubuntu download page? I bet you have a bad disc.
[03:17] <MrBlowtatoes> heh
[03:17] <zaventh> they might just be warnings labeled as errors
[03:17] <MrBlowtatoes> the first disc i burtn didn't work
[03:17] <MrBlowtatoes> the second one did
[03:17] <MrBlowtatoes> no, i don't check that
[03:17] <MrBlowtatoes> they all were exactly like this, but wiht diffretn files names
[03:17] <MrBlowtatoes>  OIL: ERROR liboiltest.c 247: (): illegal instruction in idct8x8_s16_mmx
[03:17] <LeeJunFan> MrBlowtatoes: I'd be suspicious of that, I bet it had errors just not ones bad enough to stop install. Try burning at slowest speed possible to ensure no errors.
[03:18] <MrBlowtatoes> theres was hundreds of them
[03:18] <MrBlowtatoes> no CDS
[03:18] <MrBlowtatoes> i may go bakc to windows untill i get my ubtunu cds in the mail
[03:18] <chope> Darkkish_Box: im sorry i dont have much experience at irc and im having trouble with the nickserv
[03:18] <MrBlowtatoes> part of the problem i believe is my server install
[03:18] <zaventh> yeah, you shouldn't get errors on install =P
[03:18] <MrBlowtatoes> i have *gb HD, so i had to get minal install options
[03:18] <LeeJunFan> certainly not like that.
[03:19] <MrBlowtatoes> 8GB
[03:19] <zaventh> shouldnt have..
[03:19] <Darkkish_Box> i know alot about IRC if you need help
[03:19] <zaventh> 8gigs is plenty for regular breezy install
[03:19] <MrBlowtatoes> i don't want a 3GIG os installation, lol
[03:20] <zaventh> more like 1.4
[03:20] <MrBlowtatoes> plus KDE
[03:20] <MrBlowtatoes> which is voer 1GB
[03:20] <zaventh> including
[03:20] <zaventh> i just did a server install about 2 hours ago :-p
[03:20] <zaventh> base was like 300 megs plus 1.1 kde
[03:20] <MrBlowtatoes> hrm, yes, me thinks i will have to retreat bakc to windows for while
[03:21] <MrBlowtatoes> when i get a new computer though, it will be 100% linux, heh
[03:33] <Darkkish_Box> hmm
[03:39] <meglamoor> im trying setup my video driver using xserver config
[03:40] <meglamoor> anyone know my x server driver ? i have a voodoo3
[03:40] <Darkkish_Box> uh
[03:40] <meglamoor> 3dfx
[03:40] <Darkkish_Box> no
[03:40] <Darkkish_Box> try goiogle
[03:40] <Darkkish_Box> google
[03:40] <meglamoor> ok
[03:40] <meglamoor> so that might be my problem i think
[03:41] <meglamoor> on a 3dfx driver site
[03:42] <meglamoor> there are drivers for my card, but they are .rpm files
[03:42] <meglamoor> no idia how to set them up
[03:43] <Darkkish_Box> click on the rpm
[03:43] <Darkkish_Box> rpms are typically like exes
[03:43] <meglamoor> i tried, but i doesnt know how to open it
[03:44] <Darkkish_Box> your running kubuntu right?
[03:44] <meglamoor> yes
[03:46] <Darkkish_Box> wierd
[03:46] <meglamoor> would i have to run it in a shell?
[03:46] <b1f30> very very nice job with kubuntu
[03:48] <meglamoor> can you run rpm files?
[03:48] <djk_> !alien
[03:48] <ubotu> from memory, alien is a program to convert RPMs to DEBs. Can give problems. Website: http://www.kitenet.net/programs/alien/
[03:48] <hajiki> is there anyway to get kontact to connect to exchange?
[03:50] <meglamoor> so confusing just to get a normal screen res
[03:52] <Darkkish_Box> god
[03:52] <Darkkish_Box> i'll tell you whats hard
[03:52] <Darkkish_Box> installing Nvidia drivers
[03:53] <meglamoor> thats a bummer
[03:53] <meglamoor> with a little tlc i hope to get this working
[03:53] <angasule> why, Darkkish_Box? you just install the package in adept and it works
[03:54] <Darkkish_Box> reallly.
[03:55] <angasule> maybe I'm just lucky, I've never had any trouble installing nvidia drivers, with a package manager or manually (I had to change one line in the xfree config, but that wasn't a big deal)
[03:55] <Darkkish_Box> would be for me
[03:55] <Darkkish_Box> i no nothing of linux
[03:55] <angasule> well, I only had to do that when I installed manually
[03:55] <angasule> with adept, I only had to install a package and it worked
[03:56] <Darkkish_Box> which package?
[03:56] <angasule> hmm, not sure, did you search in the wiki? that's where I read how to do it
[03:56] <meglamoor> DOS kubuntu come with xfree86
[03:56] <djk_> !nvidia
[03:56] <ubotu> I heard nvidia is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia or http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=57368
[03:58] <meglamoor> there is a pcakge to install for my 3dfx card but its rpm files i cant run
[03:59] <triode> I need to install hydrogen drum machine on kubuntu breezy 5.10, I downloaded the .run file but I don
[03:59] <triode> 't know what to do with it
[03:59] <triode> can anybody help me please?
[04:00] <MachineScrew> any one know how to specify a new kdm theme manualy
[04:01] <angasule> triode: why did you download a .run file? the version you can get with adept isn't good enough?
[04:01] <MachineScrew> no KDM themes
[04:01] <MachineScrew> not KDE
[04:02] <MachineScrew> the login manager theme
[04:02] <djk_> crap.. that's what you get at 4 am..
[04:02] <angasule> triode: the 0.9.2beta3-1 version of hydrogen is available
[04:02] <triode> angasule when I try to install with adept it doesn't do it. Instead of Install It says Install(break)
[04:03] <angasule> triode: then maybe you should get help about why it breaks, since maybe it's something hydrogen needs that's broken (for example, jack)
[04:03] <Darkkish_Box> ok thank you whoever was helping me i think it was angasule
[04:03] <Darkkish_Box> yeah
[04:03] <Darkkish_Box> thanks
[04:03] <MachineScrew> ya the KDE SDK will break kubuntu w/ KDE 3.5
[04:03] <Darkkish_Box> i hope that will fix it because it listed flat panel suppirt
[04:04] <MachineScrew> any one know what the pkg name for the kde headers are
[04:04] <Darkkish_Box> now what about flash player?
[04:05] <MachineScrew> any one
[04:05] <LeeJunFan> MachineScrew: kdelibs4-dev I think.
[04:05] <MachineScrew> thanks
[04:05] <triode> angasule, what can it be, how can I find out?
[04:06] <angasule> triode: frankly, I don't know, maybe someone else here does
[04:06] <angasule> I'm going to cook myself a decent dinner, good luck
[04:06] <megla22> so how do i install files on this?
[04:06] <megla22> like firefox
[04:06] <angasule> !adept
[04:06] <ubotu> Adept (successor of Kapture) is a package manager for Kubuntu. See http://web.ekhis.org/adept.html
[04:07] <angasule> megla22: look at that link ubotu just said
[04:08] <megla22> i think i installed it, it says in adept,,, but how can i runn firefox?
[04:10] <megla22> thanks
[04:11] <Slyder0244> i can't seem to get access to my sessions manager anyone think they can give me a hand
[04:14] <megla22> not much tutorial information on the adept website
[04:15] <megla22> i just installed firefox using it and unknown what do after. The help doesnt work in the app either
[04:16] <LeeJunFan> megla22: easiest to install "menu" then as your user run update-menus
[04:16] <LeeJunFan> megla22: it will create a debian menu in your kde menu with all kinds of apps installed on your system.
[04:16] <jjesse> can someone help me w/ my sound?  i don't think that it was detected?
[04:17] <megla22> i see
[04:17] <megla22> so kubutu wont update the menu, you need another program to do it
[04:18] <jjesse> megla22: i think its kappfinder?
[04:20] <eriksti> Hey guys.. amaroK won't output any sound here, any ideas? I've tried changing to Xine engine..
[04:20] <b1f30> eriksti: i'm getting the same thing and it's pissing me off...
[04:21] <jjesse> grin i can't get my sound card detected
[04:21] <eriksti> :)
[04:21] <zaventh> first find out your card model
[04:21] <eriksti> I can hear other sounds, just not for  amarok
[04:21] <b1f30> same with me man
[04:21] <b1f30> i can use xmms just fine
[04:22] <eriksti> maybe it's the latest version having this problem?  possible to get an older one until they resolve the issue?
[04:22] <zaventh> the one that comes with kubuntu IS old =P
[04:22] <b1f30> or just use xmms :-D
[04:22] <jjesse> i'm using gstreamer as the engine for amaroK
[04:22] <zaventh> gstreamer is the preferred engine
[04:22] <b1f30> i would say amarok is a train wreck right now
[04:22] <jjesse> works great for me on breezy :)
[04:23] <eriksti> I'm on breezy also, and it has worked before .. i have a rather fresh install, and I used the same cd as earlier when it did in fact work.. so I guess it's related to some update..
[04:24] <zaventh> run kmix
[04:24] <b1f30> as much as binary distros try, they still choke on stuff
[04:24] <zaventh> could be your sound levels got reset
[04:25] <zaventh> alot better than what you choke on compiling LFS blf30 :-p
[04:26] <eriksti> zaventh: is that possible when I can hear other sounds tho?
[04:26] <b1f30> gentoo + distcc + 2 p4's = full system in about 1/2 hour
[04:26] <zaventh> it is if you are trying to play a CD
[04:27] <zaventh> versus wav sounds from your computer..
[04:27] <eriksti> I'm trying mp3 and radio stream
[04:27] <zaventh> what sounds do you hear?
[04:27] <b1f30> you don't hear anything.. amarok just keeps buffering
[04:27] <eriksti> I can hear system sounds.. like kubuntu starting etc
[04:27] <eriksti> warnings
[04:28] <zaventh> did you install the restricted formats packages for mp3s?
[04:28] <eriksti> nots ure .. what are they called?
[04:29] <b1f30> How do I play MP3s?
[04:29] <b1f30> Install the akode-mpeg and gstreamer0.8-mad packages from the universe repository and killall artsd to restart the sound server. You will also have to restart Amarok and Kaffeine.
[04:29] <b1f30> In breezy you can add MP3 support to K3b by installing k3b-mp3.
[04:29] <zaventh> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[04:34] <jjesse> so anyone know how to solve a sound card that doesn't get detected via install?
[04:35] <megla22> So in order to make a icon in the menus
[04:36] <megla22> you have to add them by hand and create an icon for them?
[04:36] <megla22> the programs you installed that is
[04:37] <eriksti> I got amarok working woho!
[04:40] <b1f30> jjesse: your sound card may need to be compiled into the kernel
[04:40] <b1f30> what kind of sound card is it?
[04:41] <jjesse> creative labs audio
[04:41] <jjesse> its an older dell
[04:41] <jjesse> dell dimmension xps
[04:41] <b1f30> do 'lspci' and post the sound card in here
[04:44] <jjesse> blf30 pastebin.com/459114
[04:48] <b1f30> unless, you have some really weird chipset, your card should have shown up in that lspci.. is it an on board card?
[04:48] <jjesse> yeah it is
[04:49] <Flammia> !multimedia
[04:49] <ubotu> methinks multimedia is for codecs,  http://help.ubuntu.com/starterguide/C/ch03.html#sect-music-and-movies ; and for applications, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUserGuideMultimedia
[04:49] <b1f30> brb
[04:50] <jjesse> hmm blf30 looking at dell.com provides this link:http://support.dell.com/support/downloads/download.aspx?c=us&cs=04&l=en&s=bsd&releaseid=R107671&SystemID=XPS/DIMENSION%20200/5150C&os=WNT5&osl=en&deviceid=8907&devlib=0&typecnt=1&vercnt=1&formatcnt=1&fileid=139571
[04:50] <b1f30> ah
[04:50] <b1f30> sigmatel
[04:51] <b1f30> ever re-compile a kernel bro?
[04:51] <b1f30> actually...
[04:51] <Darkkish_Box> hey question
[04:51] <b1f30> you can probably just find the module
[04:51] <Darkkish_Box> what is the command to end X?
[04:52] <b1f30> Darkkish_Box: i know in debian, it's /etc/init.d/kdm (or gdm/xdm) stop
[04:55] <jjesse> blf30 never reconfigured a kernel
[04:55] <b1f30> jjesse: you might not have to..
[04:56] <b1f30> i'm crossing my fingers that your install has the modules you need already
[04:56] <b1f30> you're using kubuntu breezy, with updates?
[04:56] <jjesse> yeah breezy w/ updates
[04:56] <b1f30> good deal
[04:56] <jjesse> universe and multiverse enalbed
[04:56] <b1f30> ah
[04:56] <b1f30> ok
[04:56] <b1f30> well
[04:56] <b1f30> your main concern is the kernel
[04:56] <b1f30> so
[04:56] <jjesse> ok
[04:56] <b1f30> i've only started with kubuntu tonight, but it seems just like debian for the most part
[04:57] <b1f30> let me see what modules i can find
[05:01] <dissed> using kubuntu, amarok, and gstreamer with ossink, i seem to be able to play some mp3s, and with others amaroks just shuts down, anyone who knows what i can do to fix this?
[05:01] <jjesse> i'm using amarok w/ gstreamer and it works fine
[05:02] <Darkkish_Box> that didnt work right
[05:03] <Darkkish_Box> any ways does anyone know how to fix the screen garbling?
[05:06] <Darkkish_Box> hellllooooo
[05:07] <neoncode> Darkkish_Box: hello
[05:07] <Darkkish_Box> neoncode: im having this screen garbling problem
[05:08] <neoncode> difine "garbling"
[05:08] <Knowerrors> anybody tell me how to resolve gpg key errors?, like what pub key server to use?
[05:09] <Darkkish_Box> it changes colors
[05:09] <Darkkish_Box> its garbled
[05:09] <Darkkish_Box> you know
[05:09] <Darkkish_Box> pixels light up random colors.
[05:09] <zaventh> like drowning in water garbled
[05:09] <zaventh> =p
[05:09] <Darkkish_Box> like a refresh error
[05:10] <neoncode> xorg.conf error? did it do this under any other OS?
[05:10] <Darkkish_Box> nope
[05:10] <vblanton> anyone know why dragging a box on my desktop lags both my computer and the drawing of the box?
[05:10] <Darkkish_Box> i have tried configuring X
[05:11] <Darkkish_Box> multiple times
[05:11] <Darkkish_Box> it just garbles after a while using it
[05:11] <Darkkish_Box> not imediatly
[05:12] <Darkkish_Box> and its so bad that i have to log off and back on to fix it
[05:12] <Darkkish_Box> any suggedtions?
[05:13] <Flammia> hey... I have a problem where when I put any sort of CD into my drive, it refuses to mount itself... I have to go in and do it manually... any suggestions??
[05:13] <zaventh> find your v and h sync ranges for your monitor darkkish_box
[05:14] <ian_> Why does K3B not allow me to burn at full speed. My drive is 40x but max burn spped is only 8x
[05:14] <b1f30> jjesse: hey man
[05:14] <b1f30> jjesse: found something rather interesting
[05:15] <jjesse> blf30 yeah?
[05:15] <neoncode> Darkkish_Box: Nope, sorry...
[05:15] <b1f30> http://support.dell.com/support/downloads/download.aspx?c=us&cs=19&l=en&s=dhs&releaseid=R104074&SystemID=LATITUDE%20PRECISION%20380&os=LIN4&osl=en&deviceid=8907&devlib=0&typecnt=1&vercnt=2&formatcnt=1&fileid=134311
[05:15] <LrdDragon> hey all
[05:17] <LrdDragon> a friend recommended ubuntu to me but i have used mostly kde on linux. is that the major diference between ubuntu and kubuntu? that the latter is focused on kde?
[05:17] <jjesse> hmm intereseting
[05:17] <jjesse> where does kudzu get installed from?
[05:17] <zaventh> lrddragon, that is the only difference.... ubuntu uses gnome and kubuntu uses kde
[05:17] <djk_> LrdDragon: yes
[05:18] <LrdDragon> oh sweet
[05:18] <LrdDragon> :)
[05:18] <LrdDragon> im downloading the iso as we speak :)
[05:18] <zaventh> kubuntu is very impressive
[05:18] <zaventh> you won't be disappointed
[05:19] <LrdDragon> one friend told me mandriva is the easiest to install and operate for newbies.. i tried it and had alot of problems. another recommended this one so i have high hopes
[05:19] <b1f30> jjesse: kudzu is basically an old school linux hardware detection tool
[05:20] <jjesse> b1f30: juest reading  the install directions
[05:20] <kkathman> mandriva is NOT that easy...and its an inferior and error-laden distro imho
[05:20] <djk_> besides gentoo and lfs i don't see any "difficult" installations...
[05:20] <b1f30> jjesse: be careful..
[05:20] <b1f30> gentoo is cake
[05:20] <kkathman> mandrake was better, but when they merged..it got worse
[05:20] <kkathman> gentoo is hard :)
[05:20] <b1f30> neh
[05:20] <b1f30> gentoo is cake
[05:20] <b1f30> trust me
[05:20] <kkathman> for newbies?
[05:20] <b1f30> yep.. even for newbies
[05:20] <kkathman> you gotta be kiddin me
[05:21] <djk_> b1f30: thus the " "
[05:21] <b1f30> gentoo has the best documentation i've ever seen, that, and i wish it *was* the first distro i picked up
[05:21] <djk_> kkathman: gentoo has pretty good documentation..so
[05:21] <kkathman> gentoo isnt good for much except compiling..but its great for that :)
[05:21] <b1f30> lol
[05:21] <b1f30> gentoo pwnz
[05:21] <kkathman> but ya gotta have a hell of a machine for it
[05:21] <b1f30> no such thing
[05:21] <kkathman> nah gentoo is very specific
[05:22] <b1f30> you can run gentoo on my p2 here at home
[05:22] <LrdDragon> if i install the amd64 ver, will that prevent me from installing certain apps? for example on mandriva, the i586 ver had flash player and java, the amd64 distro had no support for that. will i run in to the same problem with kubuntu ?
[05:22] <kkathman> yes
[05:22] <djk_> b1f30: how long did you compile on the p2
[05:22] <kkathman> omg compiling on a p2??? lol
[05:22] <b1f30> sure why not
[05:22] <kkathman> you can
[05:22] <djk_> LrdDragon: you can install java on amd64... just no java-plugin
[05:23] <kkathman> but thats a fools endeavor
[05:23] <LrdDragon> ah ok
[05:23] <LrdDragon> so i586 it is then
[05:23] <LrdDragon> lol
[05:23] <djk_> LrdDragon: and the reason is that SUN is gay....
[05:23] <LrdDragon> i want that java plugin from firefox
[05:23] <LrdDragon> hahaha djk_
[05:23] <kkathman> gentoo s/b installed on a moxy machine and set aside for doing power compiling
[05:23] <b1f30> to each, their own...
[05:23] <b1f30> distcc is your friend...
[05:23] <kkathman> if you are 733+ you get slack :)
[05:24] <kkathman> now thats a man's linux :)
[05:24] <kkathman> hehe
[05:24] <kkathman> or debian
[05:24] <b1f30> yeah.. a 21 year old dork.. man...
[05:24] <kkathman> real debian
[05:24] <djk_> heh, i wouldn't touch slack if it got me laid :p
[05:25] <kkathman> ahh you shouldnt diss yourself b1f30 :)
[05:25] <kkathman> its ok
[05:25] <kkathman> djk_:  yah
[05:25] <kkathman> hehe
[05:25] <LrdDragon> so so much for that iso
[05:25] <b1f30> kkathman: you make me feel like i'm playing counter-strike
[05:25] <kkathman> ?
[05:25] <LrdDragon> downloading i386
[05:25] <kkathman> eh I wouldnt know :)
[05:25] <LrdDragon> wow its not compiled for i586 ?
[05:26] <LrdDragon> how fast does it runn com[ared with say, madriva runnin gkde ?
[05:26] <LrdDragon> er compared / kde
[05:28] <b1f30> LrdDragon: you downloading kubuntu?
[05:29] <jjesse> so b1f30 should i follow the instruactions or try something else?
[05:29] <LrdDragon> yeah now im downloading kubuntu for i386
[05:29] <_mark> hi I have a question that I hope someone can help me out with. I installed kubuntu on my hp pavilion (600 MHz celeron). I have NEC 17" LCD w/ native resolution of 1280 x 1024. Kubuntu displays at 1280x1024 when the LCD is directly connected to the VGA port. The problem is that when I use a KVM switch (D-Link 2 port) so that I can use the keyboard, mouse, etc. with my XP machine and the Linux machine, Kubuntu displays only at 640 x 800 (or somethi
[05:29] <_mark> x work with KVM switches?
[05:29] <LrdDragon> thats what the iso says
[05:29] <LrdDragon> in the filename
[05:29] <b1f30> it's a nice distro
[05:29] <b1f30> snappy setup
[05:29] <b1f30> jjesse: i'm sorry to say dude, but i think your chipset is lonely/whacky
[05:30] <b1f30> jjesse: i would follow the instructions to the tee, and try to install the driver
[05:30] <jjesse> b1f30: grin that's what i figured counldn't find much on the web thru google :(
[05:30] <b1f30> _mark: yes.. X works with KVM's
[05:30] <b1f30> jjesse: your best bet dude, get yourself a cheapie pci sound card
[05:30] <Cheapie> yeah
[05:31] <jjesse> b1f30: yeah i wastrying to not spend any money :)
[05:31] <Flammia> hey... can Kaffeine handle subtitles??
[05:31] <_mark> b1f: could it be a problem with this particular brand?
[05:31] <b1f30> jjesse: your sound card looks pretty out of date/non-existant...
[05:31] <jjesse> b1f30: it is, old pc from work that no one wanted, its a backup machine that i just hack around w/
[05:31] <b1f30> _mark: could be dude.. i use the iogear kvm's at work... they never gave me a problem yet
[05:32] <b1f30> i'm actually pretty impressed with this nice kubuntu... snappy setup, not too long to install, and it recognizes just about all my hardware
[05:32] <_mark> b1f: the box says supports up to 2048x1536 res., hmm. I also saw the iogear, maybe I should try that.
[05:33] <b1f30> http://64.236.34.67:80/stream/1018 <-- sweet stream  :-)
[05:33] <kkathman> b1f30: thats what impressed me the most about ubuntu in general, I have 6 machines here on my home network, and each different and various ages, and ubuntu recognized every piece of hardware on every machine :)
[05:34] <b1f30> that's the joy of a modern linux with a retardedly huge amount of modules   hehhe
[05:34] <djk_> Flammia: srt and sub, but it couldn't handle sub+idx on hoary, not sure what it can on breezy
[05:34] <LrdDragon> b1f30, what sort of stream is that ?
[05:34] <zaventh> I wish I just had better APCI support for my dell 300m laptop
[05:34] <LrdDragon> what is a .part file extension
[05:34] <b1f30> i f'ing hate acpi..
[05:34] <kkathman> actually ubuntu doesnt have that many modules really, compared to lets say a Fedora
[05:34] <zaventh> cant get that sucker to go in to standby
[05:34] <b1f30> LrdDragon: that's a stream called 'groove salad'
[05:35] <LrdDragon> stream as in audio stream ?
[05:35] <b1f30> LrdDragon: yeh
[05:35] <LrdDragon> it dont run it on this windblows box
[05:35] <LrdDragon> winamp
[05:35] <LrdDragon> hmm
[05:35] <b1f30> wow.. really?
[05:35] <b1f30> hmm
[05:35] <b1f30> http://somafm.com/
[05:36] <LrdDragon> there we go
[05:36] <_mark> b1f: thanks for the tip. I'll try an iogear KVM tomorrow.
[05:36] <LrdDragon> just openewd it manually in winamp
[05:37] <b1f30> LrdDragon: i thought you were going to say you manually 'pwned' it in winamp... which makes me giggle...
[05:37] <Flammia> djk_: well I'm running .ogm files on it right now, and can't find the setting to enable subtitles
[05:37] <LrdDragon> haha\
[05:37] <LrdDragon> nope
[05:38] <b1f30> :-D
[05:38] <LrdDragon> i just cant type worth a damn
[05:38] <LrdDragon> :P
[05:38] <djk_> Flammia: i mainly use vlc..
[05:38] <b1f30> speaking of pwned... i'm 'bout to pwn kde by upgrading it to 3.5
[05:39] <zaventh> 3.5 pwns in my opinion =P
[05:39] <b1f30> yeh it does
[05:39] <Flammia> djk_: which is... ??
[05:39] <b1f30> i miss my gentoo box already  :-
[05:39] <LrdDragon> i thought 3.5 was the default on kubuntu
[05:39] <LrdDragon> ?
[05:39] <b1f30> neh
[05:39] <LrdDragon> or is it 3.4
[05:39] <b1f30> you gots to add it
[05:39] <zaventh> breezy came out before 3.5
[05:39] <kay> It is on Dapper
[05:39] <b1f30> it's cake to add
[05:40] <b1f30> 3.5 is the first odd-pair version of anything that i absolutely love
[05:40] <zaventh> lol..
[05:40] <b1f30> kopete pwnz
[05:40] <zaventh> i had even versions
[05:40] <LrdDragon> is breezy a modified ver ? or is it the same as 3.4
[05:40] <zaventh> had = hate
[05:40] <b1f30> zaventh: lol... froot loop  :-p
[05:40] <zaventh> .3's are always the coolest
[05:41] <kay> dont use linux kernels then
[05:41] <b1f30> haha
[05:41] <zaventh> =p
[05:41] <b1f30> odd kernels = j00 b0xz r00tz0r3d
[05:41] <kay> esp. not things like 2.6.14.8
[05:41] <zaventh> 2.6.12.9
[05:41] <zaventh> im safe
[05:41] <zaventh> 9 is the last number
[05:41] <LrdDragon> i used 3.4 on mandriva so i was hoping to get the same ver on kubunto
[05:41] <b1f30> haha
[05:41] <b1f30> LrdDragon: 3.5 man
[05:42] <b1f30> LrdDragon: you can add it to your sources list and it updates quite nicely.. as i'm about to find out
[05:42] <kay> it is easy enough to upgrade it, just add one apt source from topic
[05:42] <LrdDragon> ah
[05:42] <LrdDragon> okie
[05:42] <b1f30> if you guys don't see me back in here in like 10 minutes, call the president...
[05:42] <LrdDragon> ill let ya know when i get that far. lol
[05:42] <LrdDragon> lol
[05:42] <kay> Only 2006.4 will have 3.5 by default
[05:43] <b1f30> holy crap.. upgrade done!
[05:43] <b1f30> brb
[05:43] <b1f30> LrdDragon: have no fear dude... kubuntu is the shite
[05:46] <vblanton> anyone know why dragging a box on my desktop lags both my computer and the drawing of the box?
[05:46] <LrdDragon> k gonna install this
[05:46] <LrdDragon> bbl
[05:47] <Sneaky_Bastard> because you have it set to keep updating whilst you are dragging it ?
[05:47] <Sneaky_Bastard> that would require a great many bitmap refreshes
[05:47] <vblanton> Sneaky_Bastard: nope, but were would that be set?
[05:47] <vblanton> *where
[05:47] <Flammia> Anyone know a good player for .ogm files??
[05:47] <Sneaky_Bastard> I have no idea
[05:48] <vblanton> Flammia: ogm or ogg?
[05:48] <zaventh> flammia: xine
[05:48] <Flammia> ogm
[05:48] <zaventh> or as I prefer, xine with a kaffeine frontend
[05:48] <vblanton> oh, ogg media?
[05:48] <Flammia> yeah
[05:49] <vblanton> zaventh: to bad kmplayer isn't in the reps..
[05:49] <vblanton> zaventh: its great, and it can be run with a xine backend
[05:49] <Flammia> I've got xine... it automatically opens in Totem, though... really my only problem is that I can't get the subtitles playing through Totem
[05:49] <vblanton> Flammia: ah, so your using gnome?
[05:49] <Flammia> kmplayer??
[05:50] <zaventh> vblanton: yeah.. the repos are missing some good kde stuff
[05:50] <Flammia> no... KDE
[05:50] <Flammia> I ended up getting xine for some reason
[05:50] <vblanton> xine is nice :)
[05:50] <zaventh> flammia: sudo apt-get install kaffeine kaffeine-xine
[05:50] <vblanton> I use it for most of my movie playing. Especially for DVD's
[05:50] <Flammia> zaventh: that'll enable subtitles through Totem??
[05:50] <b1f30> ahh... 3.5...
[05:51] <Flammia> yeah... xine definitely for DVDs
[05:51] <zaventh> flammia: no, try using xine with kaffeine
[05:51] <zaventh> flammia: totem is a gnome player I believe anyway..
[05:51] <vblanton> b1f30: sure thing. there are a couple bugs in KDE 3.5 which should be straightened out in 3.5.1, but 3.5 is really nice :)
[05:51] <Flammia> then how did it end up on my system... ??
[05:52] <zaventh> no idea
[05:52] <vblanton> Flammia: no clue.. did you start with ubuntu and switch to kubuntu?
[05:52] <b1f30> vblanton: it will cure my gentoo addiction for the night.. at least  :-)
[05:52] <Flammia> yes, but I did a full format before installing kubuntu
[05:53] <zaventh> must have installed it at some point inadvertantly
[05:53] <zaventh> at any rate, use kaffeine or xine-ui
[05:54] <vblanton> b1f30: I just switched from Gentoo to Kubuntu :)_
[05:54] <vblanton> b1f30: after using Gentoo for 1 year i've finally gotten sick of the LONG compiling...
[05:54] <b1f30> heh
[05:54] <b1f30> not me... never...
[05:54] <b1f30> 2 p4's doing distcc...
[05:55] <Flammia> kk... I'll try it out, zaventh
[05:55] <vblanton> b1f30: and all the editing of text files to configure stuff... kubuntu is soooo nice :)
[05:55] <b1f30> vblanton: i agree that it's a nice break... but i still love my gentoo habit
[05:55] <vblanton> b1f30: how long you been using Gentoo?
[05:55] <b1f30> vblanton: like a year
[05:55] <vblanton> b1f30: ok.
[05:56] <b1f30> i recently re-discovered kde... and learned how to not hate it...
[05:56] <vblanton> I love gentoo, i think it's a great distro, but I finally realised that it's not a desktop distro. workstation, yes. server, totally. general desktop, just doesn't cut it.
[05:57] <b1f30> vblanton: i have many people here who would disagree with that statement  :-D
[05:58] <vblanton> b1f30: I was once one of those people
[05:58] <b1f30> haha
[05:58] <b1f30> you still are   :-D
[05:58] <b1f30> you just don't know it yet...
[05:58] <b1f30> gentoo, is kinda like the force...
[05:59] <b1f30> and that is the most goddamned dorky thing i've ever said in my life
[06:00] <vblanton> GNU/Linux is what it is. I respect every free software-centric distro no matter WHAT weird name it calls itself
[06:00] <vblanton> sure thing, dorkiness is preeety common...
[06:01] <b1f30> if you funky fresh cats will excuse me.. i have to play some counter-strike before beddy bye
[06:02] <vblanton> b1f30: ooh, c-strike?
[06:02] <vblanton> not in linux, right?
[06:02] <b1f30> yeh.. on linux.. why not?
[06:02] <vblanton> !!?
[06:02] <ubotu> methinks ! is what you add before a sentence to talk to me
[06:02] <vblanton> how?
[06:02] <Flammia> anyone know how to change audio streams on xine??
[06:02] <b1f30> eh, xwine+steam?
[06:02] <b1f30> winex that is
[06:02] <b1f30> xwine.. lol
[06:02] <vblanton> b1f30: xwine is the graphical wine configuration tool
[06:03] <vblanton> winex or cedega?
[06:03] <b1f30> winex
[06:03] <vblanton> hmm, awesome
[06:03] <vblanton> does winex cost anything?
[06:03] <b1f30> chewy even  :-)
[06:03] <b1f30> winex? nah
[06:04] <b1f30> you have to cvs it from now on though i do believe
[06:05] <b1f30> what's up with kmail not being the default email client?
[06:06] <b1f30> bleh.. 3.5 breaks kmail...  great...
[06:07] <kkathman> 3.5 breaks alot of things :)
[06:07] <b1f30> back to gentoo with me!!!
[06:07] <kkathman> yes please
[06:07] <b1f30> i'll stop back in just to taunt you guys here and there
[06:07] <Darkkish_Box> hey i have a question
[06:07] <Darkkish_Box> where the xorg file is located
[06:07] <kkathman> yo jsubl2 :)
[06:07] <Darkkish_Box> there are a bunch of others
[06:07] <Darkkish_Box> with numbers after them
[06:08] <Darkkish_Box> are they just backups?
[06:08] <b1f30> Darkkish_Box: most likely
[06:08] <kkathman> Darkkish_Box: what exactly are you looking for?
[06:08] <b1f30> take care all.. keep up the good work kubuntu!
[06:08] <Darkkish_Box> kkathman: nothing
[06:08] <Darkkish_Box> although since your on  you might be able to help
[06:08] <Darkkish_Box> i am having screen garbling problems
[06:09] <Darkkish_Box> after a while the screen garbles
[06:09] <kkathman> most of the X stuff is in /etc/X11
[06:09] <Darkkish_Box> i know where it is
[06:09] <kkathman> garbles?  you mean mixes up or something?
[06:09] <Darkkish_Box> sorta
[06:09] <Darkkish_Box> like pixels get screwed up
[06:09] <Darkkish_Box> like...
[06:09] <Darkkish_Box> screen refresshing problems sorta
[06:09] <Darkkish_Box> turning of and on the screen does not help
[06:10] <jsubl2> hello kkathman
[06:10] <Darkkish_Box> i tried configuring xorg
[06:10] <kkathman> hmm...you might need to double check your xorg.conf file and compare that against your monitor specs
[06:10] <Darkkish_Box> i still get it
[06:10] <Darkkish_Box> yeah i was thinking that
[06:10] <Darkkish_Box> since my screen seems to garble most when im online
[06:10] <kkathman> there could be something odd with the card that was read wrong
[06:10] <Darkkish_Box> do you want to get me my moniter specs?
[06:11] <kkathman> are you dual booting say with windows?
[06:11] <Darkkish_Box> yeah why
[06:11] <Darkkish_Box> i dont get the problem in windows
[06:11] <Darkkish_Box> only linux
[06:11] <kkathman> ok then thats probably an xorg.conf problem
[06:11] <Darkkish_Box> ok i need my moniter specs
[06:11] <neoncode> that's what I thought
[06:11] <kkathman> can you tell me if this started recently
[06:11] <kkathman> or has it always been that way
[06:11] <Darkkish_Box> its happend since i installed it this morning
[06:11] <Darkkish_Box> lol
[06:11] <kkathman> ahh
[06:12] <kkathman> open your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file and check your monitor specs to whats there
[06:12] <Darkkish_Box> im trying to tell you
[06:12] <kkathman> or if you are in KDE you could try changing refresh rates
[06:12] <Darkkish_Box> when i go on FF or konqueror it happens faster
[06:13] <Darkkish_Box> ok
[06:13] <kkathman> ahh more pixels
[06:13] <Darkkish_Box> so could you get me my specsw
[06:13] <Darkkish_Box> specs?
[06:13] <Darkkish_Box> Acer AL1715
[06:13] <kkathman> you'd have to get those from the monitor book
[06:13] <Darkkish_Box> dunno what happened to it
[06:13] <kkathman> they should be in there
[06:13] <kkathman> oooo
[06:13] <kkathman> what kind of monitor?
[06:13] <Darkkish_Box> acer AL1715
[06:14] <kkathman> lets check..
[06:15] <kkathman> 24 KHz - 80 KHz horizontal frequency
[06:15] <kkathman>  49 Hz - 75 Hz vertical frequency
[06:15] <Darkkish_Box> ok
[06:15] <Darkkish_Box> thats probably the problem
[06:15] <vblanton> b1f30: you still around?
[06:15] <Darkkish_Box> so all i have to edit is the xorg.conf?
[06:15] <vblanton> no he's not..
[06:16] <vblanton> KDE 3.5 does NOT break kmail
[06:16] <neoncode> Sounds easy I know, but xorg.conf is confuseing as hell
[06:16] <Darkkish_Box> yeah
[06:16] <Darkkish_Box> i know
[06:16] <tsb> I can confirm this; I'm using kde3.5 and kmail right now..
[06:16] <vblanton> tsb: ok, let me re-phraise, KDE can break kmail if you don't follow certain steps after installing kde 3.5
[06:17] <vblanton> tsb: first, enable all extra repos
[06:17] <kkathman> Darkkish_Box: just look in that /etc/X11/xorg.conf file under the section labeled "Monitor"
[06:17] <vblanton> tsb: and then update :)
[06:17] <vblanton> tsb: vwalla, kmail is back on track
[06:17] <kkathman> make sure the ranges are right...if not...change them save the file and reboot
[06:17] <kkathman> that should be a good starting point
[06:17] <Darkkish_Box> it says i cant save it
[06:17] <Darkkish_Box> :-/
[06:17] <kkathman> Darkkish_Box:  use kdesu kate
[06:18] <neoncode> edit as root
[06:18] <kkathman> alt-f2  kdesu kate
[06:18] <Darkkish_Box> kdesu?
[06:18] <kkathman> yes
[06:18] <vblanton> tsb: you might have to manually pick the kdepim package, I can't remember, but it's not complicated and I figured it out in 5 minutes with a completely working 3.5 setup
[06:18] <kkathman> kdesu runs a kde app at root
[06:18] <vblanton> im outa here!
[06:19] <sambagirl> anyone can test my test streaming?
[06:19] <Darkkish_Box> k rebooting
[06:20] <Darkkish_Box> brb
[06:20] <kkathman> good luck
[06:20] <Darkkish_Box> cross your fingers
[06:20] <neoncode> good luck!
[06:20] <neoncode> and he's gone...
[06:20] <kkathman> that should help if he had to change it
[06:20] <kkathman> hi there angasule :)
[06:21] <angasule> ahoy
[06:21] <angasule> hmm, I have to work on my case, I just removed two 5 1/4 bay covers and one of the side covers, and the CPU core temp went down 10 degrees
[06:23] <Darkkish_Box> ok now im going to see if i can garble it again
[06:24] <kkathman> ok
[06:24] <kkathman> we'll see
[06:24] <kkathman> go to a Firefox
[06:24] <kkathman> or something
[06:24] <neoncode> welcome back!
[06:25] <Darkkish_Box> yeah
[06:25] <Darkkish_Box> im going to go to acer
[06:25] <Darkkish_Box> because it happened before on acer
[06:29] <Darkkish_Box> damn
[06:29] <Darkkish_Box> that didnt fix it
[06:29] <Darkkish_Box> i got the error :'(
[06:30] <Darkkish_Box> or
[06:30] <Darkkish_Box> not error
[06:30] <Darkkish_Box> there is no error
[06:30] <Darkkish_Box> just garbling
[06:31] <waltermh> i am trying to install kubuntu dvd iso, i had to do a net install though since my dvdrom isnt compatible with the installer, i got as far as choosing which kernel to use during base install, then it says error while trying to install the initrd-tools
[06:32] <kkathman> awwww
[06:32] <kkathman> dang
[06:32] <waltermh> if you do a netinstall from cdrom does it at anytime go back to cdrom, or any idea why it would only mess up that late into the base install?
[06:33] <Darkkish_Box> hey
[06:33] <Darkkish_Box> i found something
[06:33] <Darkkish_Box> 1024 x 768 60 hz
[06:33] <Darkkish_Box> instead of garbled
[06:33] <Darkkish_Box> things just turn yellow and purple
[06:33] <kkathman> Darkkish_Box:  in your xorg.conf you put in like 24-80 on the horizontal and 49-75  (not 24KHz - 80Khz)
[06:33] <Darkkish_Box> yeah.
[06:33] <Darkkish_Box> so.
[06:33] <kkathman> ok just checking
[06:34] <Darkkish_Box> anyways
[06:34] <Darkkish_Box> now its garbled
[06:34] <Darkkish_Box> but its mostly just yellow and purple
[06:34] <kkathman> Darkkish_Box:  but you can read this?
[06:34] <Darkkish_Box> no now its just garbled again..
[06:34] <Darkkish_Box> wierd
[06:34] <Darkkish_Box> damn
[06:34] <Darkkish_Box> :0(
[06:35] <Darkkish_Box> i can now
[06:35] <Darkkish_Box> ok this is strange
[06:35] <Darkkish_Box> i played with screen size
[06:35] <Darkkish_Box> i can run just fine at 800 x 600 72
[06:35] <Darkkish_Box> :-/
[06:35] <Darkkish_Box> but i dont want to use 800 x 600
[06:36] <Darkkish_Box> that defeats the whole perpous of 64 bit
[06:36] <Darkkish_Box> >.<
[06:36] <kkathman> Darkkish_Box: can you please try this from a konsole:  sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg  or have you done that
[06:38] <Darkkish_Box> i've done that
[06:38] <Darkkish_Box> a few times
[06:38] <kkathman> oh ok
[06:39] <Darkkish_Box> i'll try it once more with the refresh settings.
[06:39] <kkathman> Darkkish_Box:  can you try right clicking the desktop, choose "configure desktop" then choose "Display" and see if thats all right in that screen?
[06:40] <kkathman> should be set to like 1024 x 768 or 1280 x 1024
[06:40] <kkathman> and a refresh of probably 75
[06:45] <lorddragon_> hey all
[06:45] <lorddragon_> how can i find the font file that correspnds to the font "Sans serif"?
[06:46] <angasule> how do I configure my monitor properly? I want to get higher refresh but it's not available from the Display dialog
[06:48] <Darkkish_Box> yeah it is
[06:50] <Darkkish_Box> 1280 x 1024 75
[06:50] <angasule> Darkkish_Box: sorry?
[06:50] <Darkkish_Box> talking to kkathman
[06:50] <angasule> ok
[06:50] <Darkkish_Box> god
[06:51] <Darkkish_Box> idk
[06:51] <Darkkish_Box> this is pissing me off
[06:51] <Darkkish_Box> hmm
[06:51] <Darkkish_Box> i think i MIGHT
[06:51] <Darkkish_Box> have fixed it
[06:51] <Darkkish_Box> but i doubt it
[06:51] <Darkkish_Box> 1280 x 960 60
[06:52] <angasule> Darkkish_Box: what's the problem?
[06:53] <Darkkish_Box> angasule: refresh problems
[06:55] <Darkkish_Box> i think they are fixed
[06:55] <Darkkish_Box> just needed to find the right resolution.
[06:57] <Darkkish_Box> can someone tell me how to install macromedia flash player 7?
[06:57] <angasule> !flash
[06:57] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, flash is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[06:58] <angasule> I love you, ubotu
[06:58] <Darkkish_Box> lol ty
[06:58] <angasule> so, I'm gonna go mess with the hardware, have fun
[07:01] <kkathman> sorry had to take care of an issue here at home
[07:02] <kkathman> odd resolution tho Darkkish_Box :)
[07:02] <kkathman> but that may just be that monitor
[07:02] <Darkkish_Box> actually its not that odd
[07:02] <Darkkish_Box> but it is kinda unusual...
[07:02] <Darkkish_Box> lol
[07:03] <kkathman> yes it is
[07:04] <kkathman> Darkkish_Box: tell Kamping_Kaiser what we've been trying to do
[07:04] <kkathman> he's excellent in diagnosing these things
[07:05] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[07:05] <Kamping_Kaiser> i can only try :)
[07:06] <kkathman> Kamping_Kaiser:  he's experiencing "garbling" of his screen
[07:06] <kkathman> seems it happens when there is an intensive graphical display i.e. a browser
[07:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> stretching? lines?
[07:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> hm.
[07:06] <kkathman> I had him verify the horiz and vert in his /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[07:06] <kkathman> he did that
[07:07] <kkathman> rebooted...no luck
[07:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> Darkkish_Box: are you using vesa or installed drivers?
[07:07] <kkathman> so I had him try a dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg...no luck
[07:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> Darkkish_Box: what sort of monitor, what video card?
[07:08] <kkathman> but then he was able to get rid of the "garbling" by going to an odd resolution 1280 x 960
[07:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> hm. :S
[07:08] <kkathman> and 800 x 600
[07:08] <Darkkish_Box> no
[07:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> 8x6 is stnadard, 128x96 isnt :|
[07:08] <Darkkish_Box> 800 x 600
[07:08] <Darkkish_Box> turned out that didnt work
[07:08] <Darkkish_Box> 1280 x 960 still seems to work
[07:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> Darkkish_Box: monitor? vid card? driver in use?
[07:09] <Darkkish_Box> i have an acer 1715 montiter and a GeForce6600GT moniter
[07:09] <Darkkish_Box> i have the vidcard drivers installed
[07:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> the acer is a lcd or crt? (gusing lcd?)
[07:10] <Darkkish_Box> lcd yeah
[07:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> so it will use funky resolutions, not the standard ones i expect? have you tried with the vesa/nv driver?
[07:11] <Darkkish_Box> nv
[07:11] <Darkkish_Box> anyways
[07:11] <Darkkish_Box> it works now and i aint complaining
[07:11] <Darkkish_Box> but
[07:11] <Darkkish_Box> i cant get flash player to work.
[07:11] <Darkkish_Box> and i need it to dl americas army
[07:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> on a x86-64 or strait x86?
[07:17] <Darkkish_Box> 64
[07:17] <Darkkish_Box> :-/
[07:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> ah... *back off*
[07:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> that would probably explain driver issues as well
[07:18] <Darkkish_Box> on wiki it wants me to open synaptec?
[07:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> nvidias driver is not supported on x86-64 IIRC
[07:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> trust it :)
[07:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> i don't know any better :D
[07:18] <Darkkish_Box> ohhhhhhh
[07:18] <Darkkish_Box> damn
[07:18] <Darkkish_Box> well
[07:19] <Darkkish_Box> ass.
[07:19] <thadood> nvidia worked under 64 for me
[07:19] <Darkkish_Box> well it seems to be working
[07:19] <Darkkish_Box> just not totally right
[07:19] <Darkkish_Box> anyways,
[07:19] <Darkkish_Box> thadood:
[07:20] <Darkkish_Box> thadood: can you help me install flash
[07:20] <angasule> oh, well, I reconfigured X with the right monitor timings, and now I can select higher refresh rates for lower resolutions, but not my current one
[07:21] <thadood> I haven't done flash.
[07:21] <thadood> I went back to 32bit on here
[07:21] <Darkkish_Box> :-(
[07:21] <Darkkish_Box> do i have to compeletly reinstall?
[07:22] <thadood> reinstall.. for?
[07:22] <Darkkish_Box> linux
[07:22] <Darkkish_Box> the non 64 bit
[07:22] <thadood> well, i did
[07:22] <Darkkish_Box> damn
[07:22] <Darkkish_Box> why must 64 bit suck so much ass when it has the potential to be soo great
[07:23] <Darkkish_Box> i just wanted to play AA at 64bit lol
[07:23] <Darkkish_Box> i wanted to be able to play 64 bit games.
[07:24] <Darkkish_Box> well
[07:24] <Darkkish_Box> i suppose i should get to downloading the 32 bit one huh
[07:24] <Darkkish_Box> bbiab
[07:57] <chaoticgeek> arg
[07:57] <chaoticgeek> I've been trying to get a theme that looks like OSX but all the ones I find I can not download, or I have to compile a bunch of crap and I keep getting errors
[07:58] <chaoticgeek> I guess I will search kde-look.org more tomorrow
[08:02] <MachineScrew> how do you set a gnome icon theme manualy
[08:03] <MachineScrew> .gtkrc-2.0 or what
[08:03] <MachineScrew> any one
[08:06] <MachineScrew> how do you set a gnome icon theme manualy
[08:10] <MachineScrew> how do you set a gnome icon theme manualy
[08:11] <Darkkish_Box> 32 bit
[08:11] <Darkkish_Box> ] :'(
[08:11] <MachineScrew> how do you set a gnome icon theme manualy
[08:11] <Darkkish_Box> i use KDE
[08:11] <Darkkish_Box> thats why this is the Kubuntu chan
[08:11] <Darkkish_Box> lol
[08:11] <MachineScrew> I do to
[08:11] <MachineScrew> but i want to set it for some few gnome apps
[08:12] <Darkkish_Box> shit
[08:12] <Darkkish_Box> guys
[08:12] <MachineScrew> such as acidrip and Firefox
[08:12] <Darkkish_Box> damnit
[08:12] <Darkkish_Box> it didnt fix it
[08:13] <Darkkish_Box> ass
[08:13] <Darkkish_Box> that means i could have just left it in 64 bit...
[08:14] <ilba7r> Machine there is gtktheme package look at it
[08:14] <ilba7r> i think gtk-theme-clearlook will solve your problem you can access it from kde control center
[08:15] <MachineScrew> ilba7r: actualy i got that part fixed its just button icons and file mrg icons
[08:15] <ilba7r> you will find the fonts are wierd to not only the icons for gtk appl under kde
[08:15] <Darkkish_Box> kkathman:  it didnt work
[08:15] <ilba7r> aha ok
[08:17] <MachineScrew> i have a .icons folder I just need the line to put in my .gtkrc-20 file that would tell gtk about the dang icons
[08:18] <Tallia1Kubuntu> hi there!
[08:20] <MachineScrew> i have a .icons folder I just need the line to put in my .gtkrc-20 file that would tell gtk about the dang icons
[08:20] <MachineScrew> how do you set a gnome icon theme manualy
[08:37] <chaoticgeek> hello all
[08:38] <chaoticgeek> ubotu: hi
[08:38] <ubotu> que tal
[08:40] <b1f30> ah.. back in gentoo land  :-D
[08:40] <chaoticgeek> I just seen a news article where these parents spent $200,000 on a single birthday party for their 13 year old girl's party
[08:40] <chaoticgeek> some people need some sense slapped into them
[08:40] <b1f30> hey if ya got the cash, go for it
[08:41] <chaoticgeek> wait if your using gentoo why do you need to be in #kubuntu?
[08:41] <b1f30> cuz i like you guys  :-)
[08:41] <chaoticgeek> ok
[08:42] <chaoticgeek> If I had that much money, I would not use it on a single b-day party
[08:42] <chaoticgeek> that is just messed up
[08:42] <b1f30> to each, their own...
[08:42] <chaoticgeek> how about put money away for her college education
[08:42] <b1f30> how about spend the money on getting the whole family a lobotomy
[08:42] <chaoticgeek> although the girl acted like a ditzy blonde
[08:43] <chaoticgeek> so college is proably not going to happen
[08:44] <chaoticgeek> video professer...
[08:44] <chaoticgeek> wonder if they got a linux one lol
[08:49] <slyder> i've been losing certain applications whenever i switch desktops, anyone know why that could be happening?
[08:51] <hunika> Hello Everybody
[08:51] <hunika> Somebody can help me to configure Kontact
[08:52] <chaoticgeek> what do ya need?
[08:52] <hunika> to set up gmail account in kontact
[08:53] <chaoticgeek> ok go to the mail section on the side
[08:53] <hunika> 1 min
[08:54] <hunika> i am there
[08:54] <chaoticgeek> ok go to settings > configure Kmail
[08:54] <hunika> ok
[08:54] <chaoticgeek> then when the box pops up on the left click the accounts button
[08:55] <hunika> yes
[08:55] <chaoticgeek> on the right hand side there is a button, add click that then
[08:55] <chaoticgeek> click 'ok'
[08:55] <hunika> yes I choose pop3
[08:55] <chaoticgeek> yes
[08:55] <hunika> than?
[08:55] <chaoticgeek> Where it says account name type in what you want to call it
[08:56] <hunika> done
[08:56] <chaoticgeek> for login type in your email name, mine is chaoticgeek@gmail.com, so I type chaoticgeek
[08:56] <chaoticgeek> then your password is your password
[08:56] <chaoticgeek> host: is 'pop.gmail.com'
[08:56] <chaoticgeek> you can chose to store password or not I do
[08:57] <hunika> I don't want to store it
[08:57] <hunika> port?
[08:57] <chaoticgeek> click 'Extras' tab at the top
[08:57] <chaoticgeek> not yet
[08:57] <chaoticgeek> then click the button 'check what the server supports'
[08:57] <chaoticgeek> it may take a min.
[08:58] <chaoticgeek> when it finds them click 'OK' at the bottom and your done with that
[08:58] <hunika> ok after it
[08:58] <hunika> smtp?
[08:58] <chaoticgeek> click the Sending tab at the top after that window goes away
[08:58] <chaoticgeek> then click 'add' at the right
[08:59] <chaoticgeek> click 'ok' for stmp
[08:59] <hunika> done
[08:59] <chaoticgeek> name is what you want
[08:59] <chaoticgeek> host is smtp.gmail.com
[09:00] <chaoticgeek> then click the checkbox that says 'Server requires authentication' then type in your login and password like before
[09:00] <chaoticgeek> then click the security tab and click 'check to see what server supports' then 'ok'
[09:00] <chaoticgeek> and then your done with one account
[09:01] <chaoticgeek> repeat that for as many gmail accounts that you want
[09:01] <hunika> thanks
[09:01] <hunika> it wokrs
[09:02] <chaoticgeek> ya no problem
[09:02] <chaoticgeek> it would be the same for many other types, just have to find the host for your sending and receving
[09:03] <hunika> I see
[09:05] <hara> hello
[09:05] <chaoticgeek> hi
[09:06] <hara> anyone of you use kubuntu with ati's proprietary drivers 'fglrx'?
[09:07] <hara> okay maybe not then
[09:07] <hara> how can I get gtk-applications like firefox to use the 'whiteglass' mouse pointer themes? the theme works with all kde applications
[09:09] <hara> I have kde 3.5 installed...
[09:10] <BigKahuna> Why does K3B not allow me to burn at full speed. My drive is 40x but I can only get 8x in k3B
[10:10] <IcHx> helooo
[10:10] <IcHx> can i ask for help
[10:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> yes, but we might tell yhou not to ask ;)
[10:11] <IcHx> huehuehuehue
[10:12] <IcHx> how come after upgrading kubuntu 5.10 ... the hardisk icon on /media is gone
[10:12] <IcHx> it's strange
[10:13] <IcHx> how to get it back ???
[10:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> not sure if that's part of a bug or a feature. there was a bug about stuff missing from media, but that was in konqueror
[10:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> check it's not been moved to /mnt
[10:14] <IcHx> hmmm... but i am not familiar with console stuff... so if the icon disappear ... i cant do anything
[10:15] <IcHx> can u tell me how to get it back???
[10:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> i don't use KDE, so my gui knowlage is limited, but open konsole, and in the address bar put 'file:///mnt/
[10:15] <IcHx> hang on ...
[10:17] <IcHx> >>> /mnt is empty
[10:17] <IcHx> nothing there
[10:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> hm. ok
[10:18] <IcHx> so???
[10:20] <IcHx> or at least can u show me... how to chek on my hardisk usage instead of using konqueror /media
[10:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> to check free space?
[10:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> there's a command you can put in konsole
[10:21] <IcHx> yes
[10:21] <IcHx> how to ???
[10:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> open konsole, then type `df -h` to check all your hard drives, or `du -hs /place/to/check` for one directory
[10:22] <IcHx> hang on...
[10:23] <IcHx> thank u...
[10:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> no worries.
[10:24] <IcHx> problem solved... but still kubuntu team has to work on that buggy things
[10:25] <IcHx> thanks mate
[10:26] <Kamping_Kaiser> np. if someone else becomes active, feel free to talk to them :)
[10:26] <IcHx> it's fun to use kubuntu but KDE comes with too much bugg i guess
[10:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> IcHx: have you made sure you have all the breey-updates  and Breezy-security patches?
[10:27] <IcHx> i am using ubuntu before... but Gnome does not familiar for me to use
[10:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> ubuntu has a nice Gnome imo :)
 IcHx: have you made sure you have all the breey-updates  and Breezy-security patches? <- yess...
[10:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> hm.  then that's not it :)
[10:28] <IcHx> it's nice actually... i just dont familiar with MAC oriented GUI
[10:29] <IcHx> whot u mean by that ???
[10:29] <Kaiser_Meeting> mean by what?
 hm.  then that's not it :) <-- this
[10:32] <MachineScrew> how can I get Konquer to folow php links
[10:33] <MachineScrew> very time i click on one Kate opens up
[10:33] <Kaiser_Meeting> IcHx: then updating wont fix it is what i meant
[10:33] <IcHx> oic...
[10:33] <MachineScrew> right clicking makes me save as a php file
[10:33] <IcHx> i thought so
[10:34] <MachineScrew> also alot of deb pakages are tried to be viewed by kate
[10:36] <raphink> they should be opened by ark by default
[10:37] <ejofee> where do i find kernel-source?
[10:38] <raphink> hmm
[10:38] <raphink> in linux-kernel-headers for example
[10:38] <raphink> if I'm not wrong
[10:38] <kosh> when I leave a web page up with my cursor over it for a little bit I get these little yellow boxes that come up and if I hit the key that goes with it then it will jump to that link,  how do I get rid of that?
[10:38] <raphink> and in kernel-source and kernel-tree packages
[10:39] <MachineScrew> how can I get Konquer to folow php links
[10:39] <MachineScrew> very time i click on one Kate opens up
[10:39] <MachineScrew> also alot of deb pakages are tried to be viewed by kate
[10:39] <kosh> you somehow have kate associted as an html viewer
[10:40] <MachineScrew> kosh: this is default
[10:40] <IcHx> how to make wma files can be open on linux media players ???
[10:40] <MachineScrew> kosh: I have not messed with the file associations
[10:40] <kosh> open up konqueror and then go to settings -> konfigure konqueror -> file associations
[10:40] <kosh> then type in htlm fo rthe find pattern
[10:40] <MachineScrew> oh
[10:40] <kosh> then check the text/html settings and application/xhtml+xml settings
[10:40] <raphink> kosh: that's the case with all recent broswers if I understand what you mean
[10:41] <kosh> raphink: I have not seen it in any other and konqueror from 3.4 did not do it
[10:41] <kosh> raphink: I am not hoving on a link, if I just leave it on a page all kinds of things just show up
[10:41] <raphink> I'm not sure what you mean kosh
[10:41] <MachineScrew> both are konquer
[10:41] <MachineScrew> its php that has the problem
[10:42] <raphink> there are these letters that come up when you press ctrl on a web page
[10:42] <MachineScrew> i will give an example
[10:42] <kosh> MachineScrew: can you give me one of your php urls that shows incorectly?
[10:42] <raphink> but apart from that I don't get what you might mean
[10:42] <raphink> if it's not the title onMouseOver
[10:42] <kosh> raphink: yeah it is like hitting ctrl but it seems to do it when idle for a bit also
[10:43] <raphink> really?
[10:43] <raphink> I don't have that
[10:43] <hara> how do i get kernel source for the currently running kernel?
[10:43] <MachineScrew> kosh: I am working on it
[10:43] <kosh> when I leave the mouse over the window and navigate around page with the keyboard they seem to just come up on their own
[10:44] <kosh> MachineScrew: the most llikely problem though is you are sending the wrong content type from your php site
[10:44] <kosh> mozill and ie are very tolerant of that
[10:44] <kosh> konqueror is not tolerant of it at all
[10:44] <kosh> I don't think opera or safari are tolerant of it either
[10:44] <kosh> and it is VERY stupid for any browser to accept it
[10:45] <MachineScrew> http://pacotesdeb.codigolivre.org.br/modules/mydownloads/visit.php?cid=1&lid=20
[10:46] <MachineScrew> this one will display the deb pakage in embeded view
[10:46] <kosh> well actually it did not work for me at all
[10:46] <kosh> I got an error page
[10:47] <kosh> This file doesn't belong to the site you came from
[10:47] <kosh> and other stuff
[10:47] <raphink> and your IP has been logged :p
[10:47] <raphink> :@
[10:47] <kosh> yeah not like I care
[10:48] <kosh> okay I see very briefly when a page loads it says Access keys activated
[10:48] <raphink> btw, it seems kdmtheme is not available on ubuntu
[10:48] <MachineScrew> well at any rate the files i had to right click on save as and manualy rename from download.php or somthing this happens very offten but remarkably dosn't happen as offten in SuSE
[10:49] <kosh> so can you give instructions on what url we can start at in order to get that problem?
[10:49] <MachineScrew> raphink: ya I found that out the hard way
[10:49] <kosh> the most likely issue  though is the wrong content type
[10:49] <raphink> I'll ask why
[10:49] <MachineScrew> raphink: it is but you have to compile it
[10:49] <raphink> it's not available on debian either
[10:49] <raphink> MachineScrew: I mean it's not available as deb in universe
[10:49] <MachineScrew> raphink: that links is for debain pakages
[10:50] <raphink> and such a famous program should be
[10:50] <raphink> unless there are security issues with it
[10:50] <MachineScrew> right
[10:50] <raphink> MachineScrew: I'm not talking about unofficial trashy debian packages ;)
[10:50] <raphink> kdmtheme is not in Debian either I just checked
[10:50] <MachineScrew> raphink: also it was built against 3.4 any way
[10:50] <raphink> that doesnt matter
[10:50] <MachineScrew> raphink: ya it isn't I tried compileing it
[10:51] <raphink> it was never available for debian or ubuntu according to packages.{ubuntu.com,debian.org}
[10:51] <MachineScrew> raphink: it was a no go
[10:51] <raphink> and there must be a reason for that
[10:51] <IcHx> how to make wma files can be open on linux media players ???
[10:52] <MachineScrew> IcHx: the easy way it to get EasyKubuntu but the thing you are looking for is w32codecs
[10:52] <robotgeek> IcHx: bmp-wma plugin does it too
[10:52] <kosh> found the problem
[10:52] <MachineScrew> i should point out the legality is questionable
[10:52] <kosh> the site is broken
[10:52] <raphink> hmm
[10:52] <kosh> it sends the deb as text/plain encoding
[10:52] <IcHx> EasyKubuntu ???
[10:53] <raphink> on ubuntu, tonio began packaging it but never finished
[10:53] <MachineScrew> right
[10:53] <kosh> which is VERY VERY wrong
[10:53] <IcHx> where to find w32codecs ???
[10:53] <kosh> any browser that does anything different then the kind of thing konqueror die (ie opening in a text browser) should be shot!
[10:53] <MachineScrew> IcHx: ya it a little script that some one made up to make Kubuntu more usable
[10:53] <IcHx> sory i dont familiar with the terms using... whot is EasyKubuntu ??
[10:53] <kosh> sniffing content type has been a great way to have security problems
[10:54] <IcHx> oo ic
[10:54] <MachineScrew> IcHx i will get you the link
[10:54] <IcHx> thanks a lot
[10:54] <MachineScrew> http://olwin.free.fr/serendipity/index.php?
[10:55] <MachineScrew> mind you thats not a full prof way of doing things
[10:55] <IcHx> hmmm
[10:55] <MachineScrew> one it didn't actualy install any thing
[10:55] <kosh> it should be application/x-deb  or failing that it should use application/octet-stream
[10:55] <MachineScrew> just modified the repos
[10:56] <kosh> well at least I know that konqueror is correct and the website is broken
[10:56] <kosh> report it to the webmaster for them to fix it
[10:56] <MachineScrew> IcHx though once EasyKubuntu is done open Adept and serch for w32codec
[10:57] <MachineScrew> kosh: there are others though
[10:57] <IcHx> ok ... i try
[10:57] <kosh> MachineScrew: lots of websites don't send the correct content type
[10:57] <kosh> MachineScrew: eventually they will have to fix that though
[10:57] <kosh> MachineScrew: since microsoft is changing IE to not be fortgiving of that anymore since they have been nailed for so many security exploits that way
[10:58] <MachineScrew> kosh: but the same sites are fine in SuSE using Konquer I swear its a Kubuntu problem
[10:58] <MachineScrew> if only i could remember the downloads
[10:59] <IcHx> i try to install easykubuntu 1st n see whot happen :P
[10:59] <MachineScrew> ok
[10:59] <kosh> MachineScrew: I just connected to the site and watched the network output with ethereal
[11:00] <MachineScrew> damn I can't remember what I have downloaded
[11:00] <kosh> MachineScrew: I know it is a problem with the website since I watched the entire tcp conversation
[11:00] <MachineScrew> kosh: that was the only one I could remember
[11:00] <IcHx> adept can not found w32codec
[11:00] <MachineScrew> kosh: not the only problem
[11:00] <kosh> MachineScrew: suse may have a setting that hides it like making konqueror be more forgiving
[11:00] <MachineScrew> kosh: i guess kinda like firefox
[11:01] <kosh> MachineScrew: however the website is sitll broken and needs to be fixed so contact whoever runs it and tell them that the deb files are being sent with an encoding of text/plain
[11:01] <kosh> which is flat out wrong
[11:01] <MachineScrew> btw I also installed FF 1.5
[11:01] <raphink> kdm theme is not to be in the next kde, they say
[11:01] <kosh> firefox will have to fix that at some point
[11:01] <MachineScrew> IcHx: first install EasyKubuntu
[11:02] <MachineScrew> IcHx: click on the K menu then goto system then Easykubuntu then type your password when it asks
[11:02] <MachineScrew> kosh: will do
[11:03] <MachineScrew> why is every one in love with php redirects ?
[11:03] <kosh> work around some IE bugs
[11:03] <kosh> IE can not do content-disposition correctly
[11:04] <kosh> only browser that can't actually that I could find
[11:04] <MachineScrew> another site dose it and I cant get the podcast in iPodder or Amorak but in windows I can
[11:04] <MachineScrew> man I realy hate M$
[11:04] <MachineScrew> they make people lazy
[11:04] <kosh> links, lynx, emacs, konqueror, netscape, mozilla, firefox, opera etc will all get content-disposition right
[11:04] <MenZa`> MachineScrew: amen.
[11:05] <kosh> yeah well they are trying to fix most of that with ie7 so that should help us some
[11:05] <kosh> but it is going to break a lot of crappy sites
[11:05] <MachineScrew> ya because they compily to w3 standards
[11:05] <kosh> the professional ones will work just fine since they long since had to fix the problems
[11:05] <MachineScrew> ya IE standards complient
[11:06] <MenZa`> IE is definitely not standard compliant.
[11:06] <MenZa`> At leat IE6
[11:06] <MenZa`> I don't know about IE7
[11:06] <kosh> it won't really be standards compliant but they are removing a lot of the quirks from it that have led to security problems
[11:06] <MachineScrew> thats when M$ gives up and says they are going to make the next windows version based on linux and make it open source
[11:06] <aeon17x> MenZa`: it is! </year 2000>
[11:07] <kosh> the problem is that most people that write websites should be flipping burgers instead
[11:07] <raphink> no chance MachineScrew ;) there would be too many `#and now a nice BSOD for unpaid users' to remove in the code
[11:07] <MachineScrew> raphink: there is a registry alteration to make xp crash on demand
[11:08] <kosh> actually most people that write software in general should be flipping burgers
[11:08] <raphink> wow it had to be M$ to invent CoD
[11:08] <MenZa`> what?
[11:08] <raphink> kosh: ?
[11:09] <MenZa`> Microsoft never developed CoD lol
[11:09] <MachineScrew> kosh: not my brother
[11:09] <kosh> most people that write software are not qualified to do it, they are complete and utter hacks that don't read docs, don't know what they are doing and make life harder for the rest of us
[11:09] <kosh> they write crap software and then others have to work around the bugs in that software to make other stuff work
[11:10] <MachineScrew> kosh: my brother would be the shit in the Linux world but he is a MS whore and he is locked down by a guy who realy should have not made the company web site
[11:10] <raphink> kosh: most of the programming professors I had didn't know to program properly either, so...
[11:11] <MachineScrew> check this horible site
[11:11] <MachineScrew> http://www.ahf-net.com/
[11:11] <kosh> raphink: yes most of those I have run into could not program either, that is why they where professors
[11:11] <MachineScrew> my brothers boss made it
[11:11] <raphink>  kosh lol
[11:11] <raphink> kosh: some of my professors know computers so well we had to explain them about keyboard shortcuts to copy and paste :p
[11:12] <MachineScrew> my brother made most of the software on the site
[11:12] <raphink> MachineScrew: I've seen worse
[11:12] <raphink> but wel lit's MS Frontpage
[11:12] <raphink> can't be clean ;)
[11:13] <kosh> well frontpage only generated two errors creating that page
[11:13] <raphink> I see more than 2 errors
[11:13] <kosh> it would almost validate as html 4.01 transitional
[11:13] <raphink> if you speak of standards
[11:13] <MachineScrew> MS wipes his ass because he is an acessibility developer and a high MSDN subscription
[11:13] <raphink> no need to test
[11:13] <kosh> no doctype and two others
[11:13] <raphink> there's no </html>
[11:13] <kosh> a bordercolor and a height on an element that does not have one
[11:13] <raphink> no doctype
[11:14] <kosh> I see a </html>
[11:14] <raphink> lots of <b> </b> running alone along the page
[11:14] <raphink> using CSS would be nice when you're in 2005
[11:14] <raphink> ah
[11:14] <raphink> I don't have a </html> here
[11:14] <MachineScrew> the guy is an idot
[11:14] <kosh> there are lots of ways to improve it that is certain, but the page is not that far off of at least adhering to the standards
[11:14] <raphink> no as I said I've seen much worse
[11:15] <MachineScrew> well look at this one
[11:15] <raphink> a friend of my sister, who is studying computer sciences
[11:15] <MachineScrew> one sec
[11:15] <raphink> made a page with 4 <html> tags, 8 <body> tags
[11:15] <kosh> also I am looking at the html not at how the site looks
[11:15] <raphink> opening and closing all over the page
[11:15] <raphink> and it worked ... even on konqueror
[11:15] <MachineScrew> http://www.aikidosa.org/
[11:15] <kosh> how the site looks has jack to do with technical merits
[11:16] <MachineScrew> my brother designed that one
[11:16] <kosh> that one is WAY worse technically
[11:16] <kosh> it sends characters outside the character set defined
[11:17] <MachineScrew> what do you meen ?
[11:17] <kosh> it does not escape the & correctly in a url
[11:17] <kosh> http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.aikidosa.org%2F&charset=iso-8859-1+%28Western+Europe%29&doctype=Inline
[11:17] <raphink> yep
[11:17] <kosh> http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.aikidosa.org%2F  that is the default validator link
[11:18] <kosh> those are the kinds of problems I am referring to though, people that should just not be writing this stuff
[11:18] <MachineScrew> mind you he dose this for him self and made it using front page and he isn't a web developer
[11:18] <kosh> he may be qualified at other things but not for writing web pages
[11:18] <raphink> http://www.ceylandemain.org/
[11:19] <MachineScrew> right
[11:19] <raphink> I had the webmaster change a _lot_ of things on this one
[11:19] <raphink> this is the one that had lots of <body> tags all over the place
[11:19] <raphink> I still consider this is a trashy code
[11:19] <raphink> but it's far much better than it was when this guy made it
[11:20] <MachineScrew> any one ever been here
[11:20] <MachineScrew> http://www.rantradio.com/
[11:20] <kosh> http://altitudetraining.com/home  try that one
[11:22] <kosh> it actually validates
[11:22] <raphink> it's clean
[11:22] <raphink> all handmade
[11:22] <raphink> I like it
[11:22] <raphink> I don't like divs but well
[11:22] <raphink> :)
[11:22] <kosh> I don't like them very much either and neither does the person that wrote them
[11:23] <raphink> this is good work
[11:23] <kosh> however they are used to get around some bugs in IE
[11:23] <hara> hey guys and girls
[11:24] <kosh> hello
[11:24] <raphink> hi hara
[11:25] <hara> could someone please tell me one thing? I have kubuntu installed with kde 3.5. I have setup the whiteglass mouse cursor theme, which works fine with kde, but in gtk applications i still have the ugly black cursors. how can I get the whiteglass to work with firefox and so on?
[11:25] <raphink> by not using gtk apps :p
[11:25] <raphink> gtk is ugly
[11:25] <hara> lol
[11:25] <raphink> ;)
[11:25] <raphink> beark
[11:25] <raphink> ;)
[11:25] <MachineScrew> raphink: ok recompile FF to use KDE/QT
[11:26] <MachineScrew> lol
[11:26] <raphink> well you can try to find the same theme for gnome and set it
[11:26] <hara> i have gentoo and suse running on other machines, and there the same thing works nicely
[11:26] <raphink> MachineScrew: lol
[11:26] <IcHx> does anyone have try to install xpde ????
[11:26] <raphink> I don't use FF
[11:26] <raphink> don't like it
[11:26] <raphink> I like it on windows and mac since there's nothing better :;)
[11:26] <raphink> IcHx: how many interrogation mark keys do you have on your keyboard?
[11:27] <MachineScrew> raphink: I would only use Konquer if it whern't for those kate problems
[11:27] <IcHx> wkakakakakakaka
[11:27] <IcHx> LOL
[11:27] <kosh> MachineScrew: still a website problem though
[11:27] <kosh> MachineScrew: like I said most of the people in this industry should be flipping burgers
[11:27] <raphink> hara: you mean the same theme installs also in gtk apps in geNToo and SuSE?
[11:28] <hara> raphink: yes
[11:28] <MachineScrew> kosh: may be but instead of being the child and say its there fault why not fix it so it can handle it like FF
[11:28] <raphink> kosh: that's why consumers deserve open-source
[11:28] <MachineScrew> :)
[11:28] <hara> and i can't figure why
[11:28] <raphink> hara: can you see what files geNToo and SuSE packages install in the system?
[11:28] <kosh> MachineScrew: because fixing it will create security problems
[11:29] <hara> there's the /usr/share/cursors/index.theme that is pointing to whiteglass
[11:29] <MachineScrew> kosh: ok i give you that but...ahhh
[11:29] <kosh> MachineScrew: firefox has made some very dumb security choices and the it being just a little more secure then ie is not something to be proud of
[11:29] <raphink> hmm
[11:29] <IcHx> i've been installing EasyKubuntu .... while updating repo it's stops on 75% ... HELP
[11:29] <raphink> hara: is is an official deb you isntalled?
[11:29] <hara> raphink: what do you mean?
[11:29] <MachineScrew> IcHx: that can happen
[11:29] <kosh> MachineScrew: when I browse the internet with firefox I still get popups because of security problems that allow them to bypass the popup filter and they still have not fixed it
[11:29] <hara> raphink: this is 3rd day i'm using kubuntu
[11:30] <raphink> hara: did you install it from apt-get/synaptic/adept or from an unofficial deb file?
[11:30] <kosh> MachineScrew: it relates to how it tries to use plugins and it has been reported for over a year
[11:30] <MachineScrew> kosh: how about with 1.5
 IcHx: that can happen <- whot should i do ??? try again???
[11:30] <hara> raphink: install what?
[11:30] <MachineScrew> IcHx: yep
[11:30] <hara> lol am i stupid or what?
[11:30] <raphink> the whiteglass theme hara
[11:30] <kosh> MachineScrew: I would have to try it with 1.5
[11:30] <hara> apt-get
[11:30] <MachineScrew> IcHx: its the server
[11:30] <MachineScrew> kosh: they fixed alot of things
[11:31] <raphink> ok
[11:31] <IcHx> ok
[11:31] <kosh> what I am looking forward to is kde 4.0 since I have heard that they are also going to try and port some of the stuff to windows
[11:31] <raphink> it's in xcursors-themse right?
[11:31] <hara> yes
[11:31] <MachineScrew> it has better popup bloking
[11:31] <kosh> khtml is a better rendering engine
[11:31] <kosh> well firefox should have correct popup blocking not just better
[11:31] <MachineScrew> ya Safari is based on it to isn't it
[11:31] <kosh> I have not run into anything so far that got around the konqueror one
[11:32] <raphink> hara: type `dpkg -L xcursors-themes' to get the list of files installed by the package
[11:32] <kosh> yeah safari is based on it and the decision to use khtml on safari was made by an ex mozilla developer :)
[11:32] <MachineScrew> kosh they did at first but hey 3.4 I would get more popups in Konquer than firefox
[11:32] <kosh> MachineScrew: did you have the popup blocker turned on and set to smart?
[11:33] <hara> raphink: done
[11:33] <MachineScrew> kosh: 3.4 of kde konquer didn't have one
[11:33] <kosh> yes it did
[11:33] <raphink> hara: can you compare with what the gentoo and suse packages install?
[11:33] <MachineScrew> the soulution was to disable java script
[11:33] <kosh> it has had popup blocking since 3.0
[11:33] <hara> raphink: sure
[11:34] <MachineScrew> i looked all over for it
[11:34] <MachineScrew> there was no mention of popup blocking
[11:34] <kosh> it is even in the same place as it was when it was first added
[11:35] <kosh> settings -> configure konqueror -> java & javascript -> javascript  -> Open New Windows
[11:35] <hara> raphink: hmmm, think i found something. gotta restart X to see
[11:35] <hara> brb
[11:36] <MachineScrew> kosh: ok ya see thats Open New Windows some times i need New windows to be opened
[11:36] <kosh> just set it to smart
[11:36] <MachineScrew> so thats not popup blocking in the same way
[11:36] <kosh> if you click on something that directly opens a new window it will work
[11:36] <kosh> all other times it is denied
[11:36] <MachineScrew> oh ... see I am new to the KDE thing
[11:37] <kosh> and that is only for javascript
[11:37] <MachineScrew> If there was an option for "Enable Smart Popup Blocking
[11:37] <MachineScrew> "
[11:37] <MachineScrew> then ok ya
[11:37] <kosh> so if a page tries to open a new window when the page draws it will fail but if it opens one as the result of you clicking on something it will work
[11:37] <MachineScrew> now what about the flash popups
[11:38] <MachineScrew> oh ok
[11:38] <kosh> I don't have flash installed and so don't get those
[11:38] <kosh> I would rather apply a power drill to my head then use flash
[11:38] <MachineScrew> see some things I look at require flash
[11:38] <kosh> some things I have been asked to look at require flash also
[11:38] <kosh> I just told the person that I could not see it :)
[11:39] <kosh> flash is just too much of a security risk
[11:39] <kosh> since it allows data to be stored client side and it is not protected per site the way a cookie even is
[11:39] <MachineScrew> well I would love to live in an total open source world and pretend that the rest of the real world exsicted
[11:40] <kosh> what do you actually need flash for?
[11:40] <MachineScrew> Use ogg not mp3 use non encrypted DVDs
[11:40] <kosh> I use windows for playing world of warcraft but using flash for work is just not acceptable
[11:40] <MachineScrew> don't play any non free codec
[11:41] <MachineScrew> i don't use flash for work
[11:41] <MachineScrew> fun
[11:41] <kosh> if there where a real working flash player that was also done more securely then it would not be as much of a problem
[11:41] <kosh> but flash is a large security risk
[11:41] <kosh> you might as well use ie to browse the internet
[11:41] <MachineScrew> see for linux to be a desktop os it must be fun to use
[11:42] <kosh> I use it for getting my work done writing database code
[11:42] <MachineScrew> kosh: look a hacker is going to breakin if they realy want to
[11:42] <kosh> ah so you are going to make it easier?
[11:42] <MachineScrew> no
[11:42] <kosh> why not remove the locks from the doors of your house and leave the keys in the ignition of your car since they are going to get broken into anyways
[11:43] <MachineScrew> the point I am trying to make is I am explaining what needs to be done what the end users expect
[11:43] <jpatrick> MachineScrew: use gplflash
[11:43] <MachineScrew> jpatrick: it dosn't work
[11:43] <kosh> MachineScrew: the end user wants a lot of things that are just a very bad idea
[11:44] <kosh> MachineScrew: windows vista is going to break a lot of the things the end user wants also
[11:44] <kosh> MachineScrew: users don't want security but they are not going to get a choice about that
[11:44] <MachineScrew> kosh: this is going no where
[11:44] <manveru> hey, don't forget that _every_ user is different
[11:45] <manveru> some care about network, other about audio - and a bunch of them love to play games
[11:45] <MachineScrew> manveru: but more linux users are like kosh and fear the end users
[11:45] <kosh> I don't fear the end users
[11:45] <kosh> I don't care about the end users
[11:45] <manveru> there are the ones who want the xinerama to work instantly, while other wanna have wmii as default
[11:46] <MachineScrew> they fear them because if they start using it then the system that they love gets corupted by security holes
[11:46] <kosh> however if you connect a computer to the internet then you have abide by security rules since you are a danger to every one else out there
[11:46] <kosh> if you drive a badly maintained car on the road you can get pulled over and fined heavily for endangering everyone else
[11:47] <manveru> ubuntu is to care about others - this means that we give the optimal defaults, but give them the ability to change everything they don't like
[11:47] <MachineScrew> kosh: so you are not for a free socity
[11:47] <MachineScrew> more like dictatorship
[11:47] <kosh> I am for a responsible society
[11:47] <kosh> you have the freedom to do what you can do responsibly
[11:48] <kosh> you can drive on the road if you know how to do it safely and in a maintained vehicle
[11:48] <MachineScrew> kosh: no you beleve that the end users are stupid and don't know what they want
[11:48] <kosh> your rights end where they infringe on someone else
[11:48] <manveru> MachineScrew: fact being that they don't know it most of the time... but they still have the right to decide
[11:48] <hara> raphink: you still there?
[11:48] <kosh> if you want to drive on the internet then you need to have your system more secured
[11:48] <MachineScrew> who are you to say what infringes on some one else
[11:49] <raphink> yep
[11:49] <hara> problem solved ;)
[11:49] <manveru> kosh: tell this the 80% of M$ users
[11:49] <hara> had to make a softlink 'default' to whiteglass in /usr/share/icons
[11:49] <raphink> looking at some images http://www.kagou.org/dotclear/images/badger2-3.png
[11:49] <raphink> hara: what was wrong?
[11:49] <kosh> manveru: ms seems to be fixing many of those issues, I may not like ms but they do seem to be working very hard at fixing it
[11:49] <lordpatman> hi
[11:49] <hara> had to make a softlink 'default' to whiteglass in /usr/share/icons
[11:49] <raphink> hara: please report this bug to malone so it get fixed for everybody
[11:50] <hara> nooo, i don't know how to do things like that
[11:50] <kosh> manveru: they tried making it insecure by default and providing the tools to make it more secure and nobody secured it pretty much and people complained about it being insecure
[11:50] <raphink> hara it's very easy
[11:50] <kosh> manveru: with vista it looks like most of it is going to be secure by default and they are going to make it a royal pain in the neck to unsecure it
[11:50] <manveru> kosh: i have a pretty much secure windows here - it's my router :)
[11:50] <MachineScrew> kosh: they took the anti virus out
[11:50] <raphink> hara: go there : https://launchpad.net/malone and repor tyour bug, giving all details :)
[11:51] <kosh> anti virus does not do jack for front line security
[11:51] <raphink> please ;)
[11:51] <MachineScrew> now they are bringing it back but are going to charge you for it
[11:51] <MachineScrew> kosh most end users are not on the fron lines
[11:51] <manveru> they are a company, they _have_ to charge
[11:51] <raphink> hara: then I'll work on it myself ;)
[11:51] <kosh> how about things like how ie will run under a seperate user id and the only way for it to read or write files on the host system is through a special security controlled daemon
[11:52] <MachineScrew> i swear kosh makes me feal toataly unwelcome to linux
[11:52] <kosh> I don't care what os you use, I care about the whole ecosystem of computers working
[11:52] <MachineScrew> I could almost read between the lines "go back to windows you stupid idot
[11:53] <hara> raphink: i don't know how to use that thinggy
[11:53] <MachineScrew> geeks realy need to work on there people skills
[11:53] <kosh> I am tired of dealing with thousands of spams a day to my personal account from zombied windows boxes, I am tired of the all the attack attempts I get on my servers from cracked windows boxes
[11:53] <raphink> hara: just click on `file a bug on a package' then fill in the fields
[11:53] <MachineScrew> so you don't check you mail box do you
[11:53] <kosh> microsoft is taking the problems seriously though and does seem to be working hard at fixing them and curretly the fix is taking away the users right to choose to run insecurely
[11:54] <hara> raphink: ok
[11:54] <MachineScrew> ya right
[11:54] <raphink> ah you might have to have an account on launchpad
[11:54] <MachineScrew> a minum of a 1gb of ram for windows Vista
[11:54] <raphink> huhu
[11:54] <hara> do i really need to register to file a bug?
[11:54] <MachineScrew> 20GB used hd after default install
[11:54] <kosh> lots of stuff sucks about vista but they are trying to fix a lot of the security problems
[11:55] <MachineScrew> no they don't care
[11:55] <MachineScrew> realy
[11:55] <MachineScrew> they don't
[11:55] <raphink> hara: yes I think so. Registering to launchpad is useful anyway. You need to do it if you want to order free Ubuntu CDs too
[11:55] <raphink> ;)
[11:55] <kosh> MachineScrew: I suppose you talk to more ms devs then I do then
[11:55] <MachineScrew> they what to fsck us any way they can
[11:55] <hara> raphink: i don't want to order anything ;)
[11:55] <raphink> hehe well
[11:55] <MachineScrew> no I see a patern
[11:55] <raphink> :p
[11:56] <raphink> you could also send a bug report to the universe-bugs list
[11:56] <raphink> or just ask on #ubuntu-devel
[11:56] <hara> i don't want to
[11:56] <hara> i could ask though
[11:56] <MachineScrew> there was a thing that I heard once
[11:56] <manveru> the main-reason vista has so much overtime being that they want to nuke all the penguins
[11:56] <raphink> but it would be nice if you reported it hara, so other people don't have to go through fixing it manually in the future
[11:57] <MachineScrew> some where when it comes to security and ease of use they don't go together
[11:57] <MachineScrew> windows is easy but its holyer than a preacher on sunday
[11:58] <hara> lol
[11:58] <MachineScrew> Linux is so secure that it make it almost boaring
[11:58] <kosh> neither is actually true
[11:58] <MachineScrew> kosh: more people would agree with me than you know
[11:58] <kosh> windows by default is insecure, it can be more locked down then a default linux, default linux is fairly secure and with the se linux stuff it can be far more locked down
[11:58] <kosh> but to be honest both of their security systems suck badly
[11:59] <kosh> MachineScrew: its not a popularity contest
[11:59] <MachineScrew> kosh: you know I realy don't care any more it's 6am here
[11:59] <manveru> you could say it the other way... most of the m$-admins suck
[11:59] <kosh> MachineScrew: most security is completely transparent to the user
[12:00] <MachineScrew> kosh no it isn't
[12:00] <kosh> MachineScrew: things like bounds checking, input validation etc
[12:00] <MachineScrew> biometrics
[12:00] <MachineScrew> locks
[12:00] <MachineScrew> combonations
[12:00] <MachineScrew> passwords
[12:00] <kosh> MachineScrew: process seperation, running under a different security context etc are all transparent to the user but they make the software more secure
[12:00] <MachineScrew> all pain in the ass and not transparent
[12:01] <kosh> MachineScrew: you are focused on only the topmost levels of security
[12:01] <kosh> MachineScrew: real security is far more then just that and there are even ways to deal with all of that
[12:01] <MachineScrew> yes because that is where I am
[12:01] <MachineScrew> the top level
[12:01] <MachineScrew> I am not into the nuts and bolts as much
[12:02] <kosh> but you made a comment about the nuts and bolts that security is opposed to ease of use which is not true
[12:02] <MachineScrew> all I am trying to do is voice an opion that could make somthing a little more enjoyable
[12:02] <aeon17x> Problem is, since you have no way to see the lower levels, you don't know something's screwed up until it's too late.
[12:02] <kosh> only some aspects of security are opposed to ease of use and only becasue of the crappy systems currently used
[12:02] <MachineScrew> you tear it appart with security
[12:02] <MachineScrew> so what
[12:02] <kosh> aeon17x: also security at just the levels of passwords will still get your box nailed when all the lower level details are missed
[12:03] <MachineScrew> on a hot day I shouldn't open the window to my house because some as$ wipe can break through the screen and beat the linux f*ucx out of me ? ;)
[12:04] <MachineScrew> all in the name of security
[12:04] <MachineScrew> look out the sky is falling
[12:04] <kosh> MachineScrew: for example there is a way to have alll your authentication and other data stored on a usb key, to log into a box you could just insert that key
[12:04] <aeon17x> MachineScrew: and all in the name of not swearing.
[12:04] <aeon17x> MachineScrew: I seriously think you can express your opinion without resorting to that.
[12:04] <libbn> what was it to type to check if my hd has enabled dma?
[12:04] <kosh> MachineScrew: the username/password scheme is a stupid idea to begin with, it does not make things any more secure
[12:05] <aeon17x> !dma
[12:05] <kosh> hdparm /dev/<harddrive>
[12:05] <MachineScrew> kosh: yes but its like floppies they are hard to kill
[12:05] <kosh> MachineScrew: what it comes down to is that linux, windows, bsd, etc all SUCK security, that some are better then others is an implementation detail only
[12:06] <MachineScrew> why because there are people who still rely on those old things
[12:06] <manveru> kosh: everything made from humans ain't perfect
[12:06] <MachineScrew> kosh: so I am going to go into IT security because hey i will have a job forever
[12:06] <kosh> manveru: there is a difference between perfect and abysmal :)
[12:07] <libbn> thxs kosh.
[12:07] <MachineScrew> kosh: its not that bad
[12:07] <kosh> manveru: stuff like eros is not perfect either but it is far better and easier to use
[12:07] <manveru> kosh: i won't ask what eros is :)
[12:07] <kosh> MachineScrew: no it actually really is that bad, the design of our current systems just does not allow for really good security
[12:07] <MachineScrew> kosh: a stupid flash animation is not going to kill my laptop
[12:07] <manveru> for me it's a greek god...
[12:08] <MachineScrew> kosh: but a server you are right shouldn't have it
[12:08] <manveru> kosh: no risk no fun! :)
[12:08] <MachineScrew> manveru: I agree
[12:08] <manveru> i could just cut my internet-connection
[12:08] <MachineScrew> thats why I pirate TV shows that and I don't have cable
[12:09] <MachineScrew> I could get the same shows off of rabit ears but
[12:09] <kosh> http://www.capros.org/   that is probably a better idea long term
[12:09] <libbn> should i increase my perfomance on my disk? or use the default values? how do i know what I/O mode my board runs ?
[12:09] <MachineScrew> I like to use my 9Mbps connection
[12:09] <manveru> as long as there is a physical connection to anywhere i'm insecure
[12:09] <kosh> micro kernel, capabilities, transparent persistence
[12:10] <kosh> with an os like that it would not matter how badly flash was written it would still be safe to run it
[12:10] <MachineScrew> most of phishing is social enginering
[12:10] <MachineScrew> but I am glad I wasn't vunrible to the Sony rootkit thingy
[12:11] <MachineScrew> that and most of my cds are not from sony
[12:11] <MachineScrew> actualy none realy
[12:12] <MachineScrew> but hey I use linux because I just don't like to conform
[12:13] <MachineScrew> i have been using linux since Plug and play linux
[12:13] <MachineScrew> damn that was fun
[12:13] <kosh> my reason for using linux is to get my work done
[12:13] <kosh> been using it since I started with slackware about 8 years ago or so
[12:13] <MachineScrew> my work could be done in any os
[12:13] <MachineScrew> but I chose linux
[12:13] <kosh> my work can basically only be done on a unix
[12:13] <MachineScrew> I am poor
[12:14] <MachineScrew> cool
[12:15] <MachineScrew> kosh: look man I use linux only because I can't afford all the programs associated with windows
[12:16] <MachineScrew> anti-virus firewall anti-spyware defrager cdburn app dvd player
[12:16] <MachineScrew> i could pirate those but i don't like to do that very much
[12:16] <kosh> defrag is part of 95 and up and 2000 and up
[12:16] <kosh> anti virus, firewall and anti spyware are free
[12:16] <kosh> dvd player usually comes with your video card
[12:16] <MachineScrew> kosh: defrag has been there since dos
[12:16] <kosh> cdburn usually comes with your cod burner
[12:17] <MachineScrew> but the defrag program that MS gives you sucks
[12:17] <kosh> MachineScrew: except it is missing in nt 4.0, and nt 3.x
[12:17] <MachineScrew> it dosn't defrag the page file dosn't defrag the MFT
[12:17] <MachineScrew> ya NTs didn't have it
[12:17] <freelove> from whr do i download the song "who is it" by michael jackson?
[12:17] <kosh> what is sad is that ntfs is based on hpfs and hpfs basically does not fragment
[12:18] <MachineScrew> ya
[12:18] <MachineScrew> i still like ext2/3
[12:18] <MachineScrew> 3 because of the journaling
[12:19] <hunika> hello everybody
[12:19] <MachineScrew> and the other tools i mentioned
[12:19] <kosh> I prefer xfs but ext3 and jfs are good also
[12:19] <MachineScrew> i don't like them very much any way
[12:19] <hunika> I would like to know if exists for linux a kind of world atlas like Encarta for windows?
[12:20] <kosh> that just shows the world or also shows all the information that encarta has about the world?
[12:20] <MachineScrew> Kubuntu and Ubuntu don't ship with a firewall because it dosn't ship with any services turned on
[12:20] <hunika> it shows maps of countries and so on
[12:20] <MachineScrew> hunika maps.google.com
[12:21] <kosh> there are many online atlas's that will probably do a better job for what you want
[12:21] <kosh> the cia has one also that also has a very nice fact database
[12:21] <MachineScrew> well I am off
[12:22] <kosh> http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/
[12:23] <hunika> People I would like something like Encarta World Atlas, but non online
[12:24] <hunika> If I have encarta World Atlas 2000 can I run under linux?
[12:24] <hunika> with wine?
[12:24] <kosh> sorry don't know
[12:24] <manveru> i have no idea what this World Atlas is :)
[12:24] <hunika> I will try now
[12:24] <kosh> the desktop reference software has basically been almost killed off by web based stuff
[12:24] <manveru> in fact, i have never used this Encarta-stuff...
[12:25] <nalioth_zZz> hunika: sure, why not?
[12:25] <kosh> I used encarta a long time ago and I do know that it does not get much attention anymore
[12:25] <manveru> well, these are the days of google and wikipedia
[12:26] <hunika> But I like encarta because you do not need an interet coonnection
[12:26] <kosh> well actually for specific world information stuff the cia world factbook is usually better
[12:26] <manveru> you trust the cia? :)
[12:27] <hunika> but cia it is downloadable?
[12:27] <manveru> hunika: there are offline versions of wikipedia
[12:27] <manveru> and you can download this factbook
[12:27] <manveru> http://www.cia.gov/cia/download.html
[12:27] <kosh> you can it looks like
[12:28] <hunika> But as it looks wine installs world atlas
[12:31] <lordpatman> cu
[12:33] <hunika> People GOOGLE EARTH WORKS UNDER KUBUNTU????????????
[12:33] <voicu> hunika: try and see
[12:34] <kosh> google maps does, google earth is a windows only program
[12:34] <manveru> lol - austria has an agreement about whaling :)
[12:42] <dsl827> hello everybody, i've got some problems with kubuntu
[12:43] <mogi> as soon as i install some programs using apt-get my ethernet device gets disabled
[12:43] <mogi> and no matter what i try i cant enable it...
[12:44] <mogi> it seems that the first time i boot up kubuntu, there is no problem at all, but as soon as i restart, it doesnt read the eth0
[12:45] <mogi> can anyone help?
[12:51] <IcHx> 5.10 = breezy ??? right ???
[12:51] <bimberi> IcHx: yes :)
[12:53] <mogi> so has anyone had similar problems like me?
[12:53] <IcHx> ic...
[12:53] <IcHx> prob like u... like whot???
[12:56] <mogi> IcHx, kubuntu breezy, as soon as i finish instalation, and configure pppoe, i reboot and it doesnt read the eth0
[12:56] <mogi> it says it's disabled
[12:56] <IcHx> hmmm.. .just enable it
[12:56] <mogi> it doesnt work...
[12:57] <IcHx> hmmm... it works 4 me
[12:57] <hunika> How can I upgrade my firefox to 1.5?
[12:57] <mogi> i click enable, but, it doesnt get enabled...
[12:57] <mogi> hunika, apt!
[12:57] <hunika> sorry I am new in Linux
[12:57] <hunika> how I make it?
[12:57] <IcHx> r u sure.. your eth0 in good shape??
[12:57] <bimberi> !firefox15
[12:58] <ubotu> I guess firefox15 is see the wiki at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxNewVersion for information on how to install Firefox 1.5 from mozilla.org
[12:58] <hunika> thanks I will look at it
[12:58] <bimberi> np :)
[12:58] <IcHx> hmmmm
[12:59] <IcHx> apparently your eth0 is broken
[12:59] <mogi> nope, it's not, i'm using it on damnsmalllinux
[12:59] <mogi> atm, that is :-D
[01:00] <mogi> ok, IcHx, tnx for the help, goin for reboot :-D
[01:08] <FallenHitokiri> hi. i try apt-get install kde-devel and get some broken pakages. (kdesdk, kdelibs4, kdebase-dev, libkonq4-dev -> depends on * but should not be installed) i run kde 3.5 with the deb-mirror from kubuntu.com
[01:10] <freelove> same prob with me:( cant install kde sdk...........
[01:14] <yudi> where is mrtg usr/local/mrtg in kubuntu? i want to configure the mrtg, how to find it?
[01:17] <yudi> how to find the indexmaker ?
[01:21] <MachineScrew> is there a way to make kde stop running kscd apon instertion of a Audio CD
[01:23] <fujisan> Ok i need quick help how do i burn a cd on kubuntu which app?
[01:24] <MachineScrew> fujisan: k3b will alow you to do that
[01:24] <MachineScrew> is there a way to make kde stop running kscd apon instertion of a Audio CD
[01:24] <fujisan> where do i get that>?
[01:25] <MachineScrew> it should be installed already
[01:25] <fujisan> will the cd be compitable with normal windows?
[01:25] <fujisan> and cd players?
[01:25] <MachineScrew> yes
[01:25] <fujisan> ok
[01:25] <MachineScrew> ISO 9660
[01:25] <MachineScrew> is a standard
[01:25] <MachineScrew> now what kind of CD are you creating
[01:25] <fujisan> K i found the app
[01:26] <MachineScrew> you may need a plugin
[01:26] <fujisan> 16x readspeed?
[01:26] <fujisan> which plugin?
[01:26] <MachineScrew> whats the max of your cd burner
[01:26] <fujisan> i want a normal cd with audio
[01:26] <fujisan> its a cd-r 700 Mb
[01:26] <MachineScrew> and it depends on if you are making an audo cd from mp3
[01:26] <fujisan> Lifetec
[01:27] <fujisan> yes it are mp3's
[01:27] <MachineScrew> ok you need a pakage called k3b-mad
[01:27] <MachineScrew> that will alow you to do that
[01:27] <fujisan> i have k3b MachineScrew  its default on kubuntu so wont that work?
[01:28] <MachineScrew> now if 16x is the max your burner can handle notch it down a little
[01:28] <fujisan> its a dvd burner
[01:28] <MachineScrew> well yes it will but K3b needs to decode the mp3s and k3b-mad plugin will do it
[01:28] <fujisan> i think it can handle 16
[01:28] <fujisan> ok i see
[01:29] <MachineScrew> its in the repos but you need to enable universe and mutiverse repos
[01:29] <fujisan> whats the command in console again to get something u need: sudu get install  k3b-mad?
[01:29] <fujisan> or suo nano
[01:29] <MachineScrew> sudo apt-get install k3b-mad
[01:29] <fujisan> sudo*
[01:30] <fujisan> oh yea thanks havent been on kubuntu in a while
[01:30] <MachineScrew> ok it might not show up one sec
[01:31] <fujisan> MachineScrew:  it couldnt find k3b-mad
[01:31] <MachineScrew> ya one sec
[01:31] <fujisan> k
[01:32] <cold> hmm i installed just about all the gstream plugins i can find on apt-get but still can't play avi, can some point me in the right direction to one that can?
[01:33] <MachineScrew> cold: try getting ffmpeg
[01:33] <MachineScrew> and gstreamer-ffmpeg
[01:33] <cold> i did
[01:33] <MachineScrew> also w32codecs
[01:33] <fujisan> MachineScrew: i noticed that amaRok offers the option to burn mp3's aswell is that a valid option?
[01:34] <MachineScrew> fujisan: its k3b-mp3
[01:34] <MachineScrew> so sudo apt-get install k3b-mp3
[01:34] <fujisan> lol nvm seen it
[01:34] <morrow> did someone tried to use skype with artsdsp?
[01:34] <MachineScrew> amaRok is , for me, untested
[01:34] <fujisan> you are right it needs some codecs
[01:35] <MachineScrew> so do that sudo apt-get install k3b-mp3
[01:35] <MachineScrew> also you need some others
[01:38] <MachineScrew> is there a way to make kde stop running kscd apon instertion of a Audio CD
[01:38] <fujisan> which others i installed k3b-mp3 and k3b is ready to burn now so it seems
[01:38] <MachineScrew> then you are good to go
[01:39] <fujisan> kn ty
[01:39] <MachineScrew> is there a way to make kde stop running kscd apon instertion of a Audio CD
[01:48] <manveru> MachineScrew: afaik there is an option in kcontrol
[01:49] <manveru> in connected-devices
[01:49] <MachineScrew> manveru: where
[01:49] <MachineScrew> in preiferals
[01:49] <MachineScrew> thingysd
[01:49] <manveru> no, got it
[01:50] <manveru> it's in this system-settings-thing
[01:50] <manveru> second row - hardware
[01:50] <MachineScrew> right
[01:50] <MachineScrew> don't tell me storage media
[01:50] <manveru> storage or something
[01:50] <manveru> ^^
[01:50] <MachineScrew> no thats not it
[01:51] <MachineScrew> its a thing left over from 3.4
[01:51] <manveru> it is... for me that is
[01:51] <MachineScrew> i am in 3.5
[01:51] <manveru> i am in 3.5 as well
[01:51] <MachineScrew> and there is a windows like thing
[01:51] <MachineScrew> in storage devces but thats not it
[01:52] <MachineScrew> it still asks me but insists on opening kscd without me doing any thing
[01:52] <MachineScrew> I have looked every where
[01:52] <manveru> hmm
[01:52] <MachineScrew> see in gnome its not this funky
[01:52] <manveru> well, i am quite unable to help... haven't used cds for half a year
[01:53] <MachineScrew> ha ha ha
[01:53] <MachineScrew> lmao
[01:53] <manveru> no, my cdrom is damaged
[01:53] <MachineScrew> you know I may just install Ubuntu
[01:53] <MachineScrew> aw dam
[01:53] <fujisan> MachineScrew:  it works but how many songs can i put on a 700 MB cd?
[01:53] <MachineScrew> I know how that gose
[01:53] <MachineScrew> I just replaced mine
[01:54] <MachineScrew> fujisan: umm.. mp3s or just regualr audio
[01:54] <fujisan> my brother in law to be wants me to burn my breakbeats collection for him
[01:54] <MachineScrew> 700MB discs tend to be 80min
[01:54] <fujisan> yer i know
[01:54] <fujisan> its full after 15 songs
[01:54] <MachineScrew> right
[01:54] <MachineScrew> thats right
[01:55] <fujisan> 80 mins is nothing
[01:55] <fujisan> i better burn it as data
[01:55] <MachineScrew> only way to get more is mp3
[01:55] <fujisan> yer i know
[01:55] <MachineScrew> well it was nice to be in KDE but realy to many screwups ;)
[01:55] <fujisan> lol
[01:56] <fujisan> you going back to ubuntu MachineScrew ?
[01:56] <fujisan> i want to go to ubuntu aswell
[01:56] <fujisan> kubuntu is to advanced for a n00b like me
[01:56] <fujisan> although the support is topnotch :)
[01:56] <fujisan> lol
[01:56] <fujisan> bye
[01:57] <manveru> hmm
[01:57] <manveru> cu :)
[01:57] <manveru> btw, i'll never get how gnome works
[01:57] <jager> woo
[01:57] <fujisan> lol manveru
[01:57] <fujisan> jager hallo you dutch or german?
[01:58] <jager> i'm american, but my name is german
[01:58] <fujisan> lol k
[01:58] <manveru> i just started gnome up this morning to see how it works...
[01:58] <fujisan> well could be dutch aswell
[01:58] <jager> i guess i don't actually know
[01:58] <manveru> but... somehow... it's so odd
[01:58] <fujisan> i do know i'm dutch
[01:58] <jager> my name is actually spelled yeager
[01:58] <fujisan> lol
[01:59] <jager> i just change the spleeling on the net :)
[01:59] <manveru> jger over here :)
[01:59] <fujisan> well thats what happens when u  leave europe in a hurry :))
[01:59] <jager> heheh
[02:00] <fujisan> i want to visit usa
[02:00] <fujisan> but not newyork or a big city
[02:01] <libben> visit idaho
[02:01] <fujisan> sound familliar i  must have heard that in a movie
[02:02] <fujisan> i heard denver is nice
[02:02] <manveru> libben: i've got relatives in sun-valley... do you know that?
[02:02] <b1f30> colorado usa.. really nice
[02:02] <libben> manveru: how could i know that =)
[02:03] <b1f30> denver, colorado that is  :-)
[02:03] <manveru> libben: no idea ^^
[02:03] <b1f30> rocky mountain high.. and all that stuff
[02:03] <fujisan> :-)
[02:03] <fujisan> yes thats it
[02:03] <libben> aaaah, snowboarding
[02:03] <fujisan> america is so big
[02:03] <libben> i wanna go snowboarding!
[02:03] <libben> damit
[02:03] <libben> !
[02:03] <b1f30> yes indeed it is
[02:03] <fujisan> i am from a tiny country
[02:03] <ubotu> libben: What?
[02:03] <libben> lol
[02:03] <b1f30> where  you from fuj?
[02:03] <manveru> !snowboarding
[02:03] <ubotu> manveru: Not a clue
[02:03] <fujisan> Netherlands
[02:03] <b1f30> ah
[02:03] <b1f30> hello from USA   :-)
[02:03] <fujisan> lol
[02:04] <b1f30> the netherlands... makes me think 'nether here, nor there'  :-D
[02:04] <fujisan> i got an A for english :)
[02:04] <libben> http://libben.fnutt.org/?m=2&dir=images/Val%20Thorens/Backen&imgname=DSCN1288.JPG&single=1
[02:04] <fujisan> lol
[02:04] <b1f30> hehe
[02:04] <fujisan> nether means low since our country is almost 100% flat
[02:05] <fujisan> like the netherworld
[02:05] <b1f30> don't trust those crazy americans... we like bad food, the wrong kind of football, and we love all women.. except our wives...
[02:05] <fujisan> we dont have mountains
[02:05] <fujisan> thats why we have a good infrastructure for internet
[02:05] <fujisan> its cheap and fast
[02:05] <b1f30> like my women.... cheap and fast...
[02:05] <fujisan> i can get 100 mbit/s for 200 usd
[02:05] <fujisan> lol
[02:05] <manveru> internet is expensive and slow...
[02:06] <b1f30> austria rocks.. would love to go there
[02:06] <jager> i live in nebraska
[02:06] <fujisan> lol
[02:06] <fujisan> nebraska sounds cold :)
[02:06] <jager> there aren't any big cities in nebraka :)
[02:06] <manveru> nebraska... sounds like i've never been there :)
[02:06] <jager> it is alas
[02:06] <fujisan> lolz
[02:06] <fujisan> alaska
[02:06] <jager> not missing anything
[02:06] <b1f30> there ain't shite in nebraska... but it's still purdy
[02:06] <fujisan> lol
[02:06] <manveru> if you can leave it anytime it might be quite cool
[02:07] <fujisan> i visited every major city in europe already
[02:07] <fujisan> i never left the continent yet
[02:07] <fujisan> problem is i dont fly
[02:07] <fujisan> my fobia is that i dont fly in airplanes
[02:08] <b1f30> my fobia is that i can't fly the airplane itself.. instead i have to sit and be bored...
[02:08] <fujisan> lol
[02:08] <b1f30> so i guess i have, boredaphobia
[02:08] <b1f30> or maybe even, boardaplaneaphobia
[02:09] <fujisan> lol
[02:09] <manveru> phobia apathia
[02:09] <b1f30> the chances of crashing in a plane, are like, uh... incredible... now, getting horribly maimed, well, that's a different story all together...
[02:09] <fujisan> internet is great when you suffer from agorafobia
[02:10] <b1f30> who's the bot in this channel anyway?
[02:10] <manveru> !ubotu
[02:10] <ubotu> Yep, that's me! I'm a bot alright. Read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbotuUsage to find out how to use me. Do NOT play with me in any channel.
[02:10] <fujisan> well you don't have ejectable seats in a commercial airplane at least a good fighter pilot has a chance to survive during malfunction
[02:10] <b1f30> can you ask ubotu questions and stuff? is he google smart/etc?
[02:10] <fujisan> you dn't stand a chance a passanger
[02:10] <fujisan> don't*
[02:11] <manveru> b1f30: well, he is not _that_ bright
[02:11] <b1f30> heh
[02:11] <b1f30> ok
[02:11] <manveru> b1f30: but you might ask me stuff
[02:11] <b1f30> manveru: how do i become the ultimate pwnz0r0r in counter-strike?
[02:11] <manveru> b1f30: since i'm google smart :)
[02:11] <fujisan> So Santana is from usa also?
[02:11] <manveru> b1f30: oh, just gripe your deagle and shoot
[02:12] <b1f30> hahah
[02:12] <b1f30> nice
[02:12] <b1f30> you're the best bot ever
[02:12] <b1f30> or should i say, ev4r
[02:12] <manveru> lol
[02:12] <manveru> and you're one of these 4v1l h4xx0Rz?
[02:12] <fujisan> i'm having a beer at 2 pm :))
[02:13] <fujisan> damn my sister was supposed to make me taco's
[02:13] <fujisan> can't find any good siblings nowadays
[02:13] <manveru> hehe
[02:13] <manveru> never trust your sister ... is that not written law somewhere?
[02:14] <fujisan> lol
[02:14] <b1f30> go online and buy one at one of those useful mail-order siblings websites
[02:14] <fujisan> well she has hot girlfriends so i better stay nice to her when i want to get it on with one of them haha
[02:14] <fujisan> i'm to lazy to get girlfriends on my own
[02:14] <manveru> well, bad luck for me... my sister is 10 years younger than me :(
[02:14] <fujisan> haha
[02:15] <fujisan> lol
[02:15] <fujisan> mine is 3 years older
[02:15] <b1f30> i don't have a sister.. thank god
[02:15] <fujisan> lol
[02:15] <fujisan> it does has advantages b1f30
[02:17] <jager> easy kubuntu isn't so wasy
[02:17] <jager> easy
[02:17] <jager> i should have known better
[02:17] <fujisan> lol the director of grolsch beer crashed with his helicopter he is dead
[02:17] <fujisan> he'd alive if he had my fobia
[02:18] <slow-motion> hallo
[02:18] <fujisan> hallo alles gut?
[02:18] <fujisan> dutch , german?
[02:18] <manveru> he's german
[02:19] <b1f30> crazy american?
[02:19] <fujisan> lol ok
[02:19] <manveru> at least he's hanging out at kubuntu-de all the time
[02:19] <dutch> crazy ? yes indeed !
[02:19] <fujisan> lol
[02:19] <fujisan> hello dutch
[02:19] <dutch> but, amercian
[02:19] <manveru> we've got a crazy american named dutch :)
[02:19] <dutch> hi fujisan
[02:19] <fujisan> i bet you aint dutch dutch>?
[02:19] <dutch> nope, just a nick name...father used the same nick
[02:19] <fujisan> lol
[02:19] <dutch> but, he was borned in Germany
[02:20] <fujisan> wow i must be the first generation of my family to have a internet addiction
[02:20] <dutch> same here...
[02:20] <dutch> but, i'm an old man
[02:20] <b1f30> dutch: i bet i'm older
[02:20] <fujisan> lol
[02:20] <b1f30> dutch: let's have a old fart contest
[02:20] <dutch> i'll be 62 next month
[02:20] <b1f30> omfg!
[02:20] <dutch> no thanks
[02:20] <b1f30> w00t!
[02:21] <b1f30> ok... you win...
[02:21] <fujisan> dutch your young my dad is 65
[02:21] <dutch> tu
[02:21] <fujisan> :P
[02:21] <b1f30> 62 ain't shite
[02:21] <fujisan> lol
[02:21] <dutch> :)
[02:21] <fujisan> exactly
[02:21] <b1f30> 93... now that's frikkin' old...
[02:21] <fujisan> :)
[02:21] <dutch> wait till you get that old
[02:21] <b1f30> i'm creeping up on you man.. don't worry
[02:21] <fujisan> dutch 62 is nice
[02:21] <dutch> yeah, retiring in 2 weeks
[02:22] <fujisan> you finished working already dutch ?
[02:22] <fujisan> lolz
[02:22] <dutch> yes
[02:22] <b1f30> 62 is wise.. i wouldn't trade that for anything...   well.. .   except for maybe carmen electra's bum..
[02:22] <fujisan> nice
[02:22] <dutch> 20  years in the military, 22 years driving a truck
[02:22] <fujisan> lol life begins after work
[02:22] <dutch> that's enough !
[02:22] <fujisan> lol
[02:22] <fujisan> wow
[02:22] <fujisan> thats alot
[02:22] <dutch> it's enough
[02:22] <fujisan> i  plan to work 30 years tops
[02:22] <dutch> good luck
[02:23] <b1f30> dutch: welcome to the wired world dude.. have a beer...
[02:23] <fujisan> lolz
[02:23] <fujisan> jhaha
[02:23] <dutch> have to retire before I can have the beer, but thanks for the offer
[02:23] <fujisan> dutch i dont plan to live a long life i need to party alot
[02:23] <dutch> :)
[02:23] <dutch> you'll  get over it...
[02:24] <b1f30> dutch: that's sweet you're using kubuntu eh?
[02:24] <dutch> i like kde
[02:24] <b1f30> that's cool man
[02:25] <b1f30> you know, in all your wisdom and glory, you should help us dorks make improvements and stuff
[02:25] <b1f30> can you program?  :-D
[02:25] <dutch> nope..doing good to just get this box to come up
[02:25] <b1f30> heh
[02:25] <b1f30> good enough
[02:25] <dutch> but, maybe  once I have more time
[02:25] <b1f30> understood
[02:25] <jpatrick> b1f30: I make Kubuntu pkgs :P
[02:26] <b1f30> jpatrick: so do i  :-p
[02:26] <dutch> can you make qsstv work in breezy ?
[02:26] <b1f30> hmm... qsstv = ?
[02:26] <dutch> i'm stuck with hoary otherwise
[02:26] <dutch> slow scan tv for ham radio
[02:26] <b1f30> ah
[02:27] <b1f30> i've never used it... what do you need to make it work?
[02:27] <dutch> it works in hoary,  but not breezy...some file is screwed up....
[02:27] <b1f30> hmm
[02:27] <b1f30> it seems like breezy borked a lotta stuff..
[02:27] <fujisan> dutch did you have lots of women in your life?
[02:27] <fujisan> dutch i want to do a movie about your life :))
[02:28] <b1f30> haha
[02:28] <dutch> been married for 42 years now.....are you kidding :)
[02:28] <b1f30> geez...
[02:28] <fujisan> lolz
[02:28] <dutch> you'd lose your ass making a movie about my life...
[02:28] <b1f30> hahahah
[02:28] <dutch> never did anything except work
[02:28] <fujisan> lol
[02:29] <fujisan> well dutch what about your double life?
[02:29] <b1f30> o_O
[02:29] <dutch> let's not go there
[02:29] <fujisan> lol
[02:29] <fujisan> cia spy :))
[02:30] <b1f30> brb
[02:30] <dutch> they wouldn't talk to me
[02:30] <fujisan> lol
[02:30] <fujisan> k later b1f30
[02:30] <libben> hmm, when re-doing grub with installcd. i also lost my fstab?
[02:32] <chaoticgeek> sleep is good
[02:32] <chaoticgeek> but it sucks that I can not sleep
[02:39] <natino> hi room
[02:41] <natino> anyone know how use gyach on kubuntu??
[02:46] <jager> grah
[02:46] <jager> easy kubuntu :P
[02:46] <jager> not
[02:57] <{{CORONA}}> hello running the cmd apt-get upgrade gives this error: segmentation faulty tree...50% can someone help?
[02:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> can you paste the output of that to pastebin.com?
[02:58] <{{CORONA}}> Kamping_Kaiser: ok
[03:00] <{{CORONA}}> Kamping_Kaiser: http://pastebin.com/459444
[03:00] <{{CORONA}}> Kamping_Kaiser: it does nothing after that!
[03:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> try without sudo
[03:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> or try sudoing as a normal user
[03:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> but that doesnt look healthy to me :|
[03:01] <{{CORONA}}> nope it says are you root? permission denied
[03:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> hm.
[03:02] <chaoticgeek> Ok, I got a question
[03:02] <jager> i've never seen anything like that before ever
[03:02] <chaoticgeek> Can you get extentions for konqueror?
[03:02] <fujisan> lol
[03:03] <chaoticgeek> like in firefox where you can have mouse gestures I want that
[03:03] <chaoticgeek> but in firefox
[03:03] <{{CORONA}}> Kamping_Kaiser: i tried running the upgrade...power failed got back ran it again- it worked fine. it said installed all upgrades  and restarted. now i face this problem and kde is still 3.4
[03:03] <chaoticgeek> but in konqueror
[03:03] <jager> try sudo apt-get -f install
[03:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> {{CORONA}}: try sudo dpkg -configure -a
[03:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> or what jager said, good idea
[03:03] <{{CORONA}}> ok
[03:05] <{{CORONA}}> i tried what jager said but it still gives the segmentation error
[03:05] <Kamping_Kaiser> try dpkg (as above)
[03:06] <dissed> using kubuntu, amarok, and gstreamer with ossink, i seem to be able to play some mp3s, and with others amaroks just shuts down
[03:06] <dissed> if i use alsasink theres no music at all
[03:06] <dissed> anyone who knows what i can do?
[03:07] <{{CORONA}}> ok it did something and returned to prompt...no verbose
[03:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> try apt gain
[03:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> *again
[03:09] <{{CORONA}}> ok adept worked!! but my upgrade hasn't happened i still have kde 3.4
[03:09] <jager> woo
[03:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> {{CORONA}}: now apt works again, you can worry about KDE ;)
[03:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> wd :)
[03:11] <jager> brb
[03:11] <{{CORONA}}> Kamping_Kaiser: yes thanks wd??
[03:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> well done
[03:11] <{{CORONA}}> oh
[03:11] <{{CORONA}}> :)
[03:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[03:13] <jager> kde 3.5
[03:13] <jager> woot
[03:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol. wb
[03:19] <coronaa> does anyone know what the linux-image-2.6.12-10-386 is?
[03:19] <coronaa> the pckg i meant
[03:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> the kernel
[03:19] <coronaa> the source?
[03:19] <fujisan> linustorvalds
[03:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> no, complied
[03:19] <fujisan> compiled*
[03:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[03:20] <coronaa> :)
[03:20] <fujisan> :)
[03:20] <jager> firefox 1.5 in any of the repositories?
[03:20] <coronaa> ok so a apt-get dist-upgrade is downloading that binary...
[03:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> it's in dapper
[03:20] <coronaa> safe?
[03:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> yes
[03:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> er. your downloadis
[03:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> dapper is no
[03:21] <fujisan> Kamping_Kaiser: u german?
[03:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> fujisan: part German. my German speaking skills are horrible ;)
[03:21] <fujisan> ;o
[03:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> ;)
[03:22] <coronaa> Kamping_Kaiser: i am running breezy will this image do anything wrong?
[03:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> coronaa: that image should be fine
[03:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> that is Breezy s default kernel IIRC
[03:23] <libben> whats the best free 3d modeling program under linux ?
[03:23] <libben> blender?
[03:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> blender
[03:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> probably the best free or not
[03:23] <coronaa> Kamping_Kaiser: but i must already have it!! why is it downloading it again?
[03:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> coronaa: updated version
[03:24] <coronaa> Kamping_Kaiser: ok thanks for answering all my questions
[03:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol. np. it's why I'm in here ;)
[03:24] <coronaa> :)
[03:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> if only you could help me with udev ;)
[03:25] <coronaa> Kamping_Kaiser: udev?? ;) hehe what is that
[03:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> it creates all the device nodes in /dev/ ;)
[03:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> and it's not making floppy drives properly :(
[03:25] <coronaa> Kamping_Kaiser: woah it sounds a bit too far fetched for me
[03:26] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[03:26] <coronaa> Kamping_Kaiser: i am just a wannabe linux user hehe
[03:26] <Kamping_Kaiser> heh. that's a bit harsh
[03:26] <lordpatman> hi
[03:26] <coronaa> Kamping_Kaiser: on myself i didn't want to offend anyone
[03:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> if i stopped helping people  i might be able to do my udev research :)
[03:27] <coronaa> Kamping_Kaiser: no i meant i am learning
[03:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> coronaa: there's nothing wrong with learning :)
[03:27] <coronaa> Kamping_Kaiser: sure
[03:27] <coronaa> Kamping_Kaiser: yes yes i am happy...i was being a little cynical
[03:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> how are you liking k/ubuntu?
[03:28] <coronaa> Kamping_Kaiser: i use kubuntu i got some cd from the mail order(ubuntu) and gave it to my friends..i feel very kicked about that
[03:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> kicked?
[03:29] <coronaa> Kamping_Kaiser:very happy
[03:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> oh, good :)
[03:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> i got an order for 300 breezys :) got about 100 left
[03:29] <coronaa> Kamping_Kaiser: i like kubuntu and i think it does a good job of linux for humans
[03:30] <coronaa> wow
[03:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> heh
[03:30] <coronaa> i had suse before but it was buggy 9.1
[03:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> i prefer ubuntu myself, but choice is a great thign :)
[03:30] <coronaa> yes
[03:30] <coronaa> i like the clean gnome...somehow k is a bit blue and funky...its too much
[03:30] <jager> kcontrol vanished from the menu :P
[03:30] <jager> in 3.5
[03:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[03:31] <coronaa> oh i was out to install 3.5...i forgot my mission for today hehe
[03:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[03:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> nice one ;)
[03:31] <coronaa> Kamping_Kaiser: you help out people here regularly
[03:32] <coronaa> it must be a nice feeling
[03:32] <Kamping_Kaiser> coronaa: i try, here and a few other channels (whois me)
[03:33] <Kamping_Kaiser> when i manage to help it's good, otherwise i get left feeling a bit guilty because i could help :|
[03:33] <coronaa> wow thats a lot of channels...yes but you atleast try.. thats good enough
[03:35] <coronaa> Kamping_Kaiser: please suggest a channel where i can get newB help on ubuntu (other than #kubuntu)
[03:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol. #ubuntu? ;)
[03:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> #ubuntuforums may be helpfull, the offtopic channels are usualy happy to help
[03:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> eg ubuntu-offtopic and Kubuntu-offtopic
[03:36] <coronaa> :) yes but no one seems to care there...or probably i look like a monster to them
[03:36] <coronaa> ok
[03:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol. sometimes you have to be lucky
[03:36] <coronaa> yes
[03:36] <coronaa> is this your perma nick name Kamping_Kaiser
[03:37] <coronaa> is there a way i can add your name somewhere in irssi so that i can remember it?
[03:37] <coronaa> kaiser chiefs??
[03:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> yes my nick is registered, but not sure how to add it in irrsii
[03:38] <coronaa> ok i shall look around
[03:43] <JakubS> anybody got NetworkManger to work with kubuntu?
[03:43] <JakubS> NetworkManager even
[03:44] <jager> sorry mate
[03:44] <jager> no laptop
[03:44] <jager> :(
[03:50] <hunika> Hello everybody
[03:50] <hunika> raphink:???
[03:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> hallo
[03:51] <hunika> raphink: I can not install skype! I got some errors.
[03:53] <cyberpc|nux> bonjour
[03:53] <cyberpc|nux> :)
[03:53] <ismail> hi all
[03:53] <thoreauputic> !skype
[03:53] <ubotu> I heard skype is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SkypeHowto/ Breezy deb: http://seveas.ubuntulinux.nl
[03:54] <cyberpc|nux> jai un petit probleme a vous expos
[03:54] <cyberpc|nux> jai une quickam pro 4000 tres bien dtect dans le kopete du kde 3.5
[03:54] <jager> dammit
[03:54] <cyberpc|nux> le seul soucci
[03:54] <cyberpc|nux> ces que le destinataire ne me voit pas
[03:54] <cyberpc|nux> lol
[03:54] <jager> link to a 5.10 java howto?
[03:54] <ismail> how can i mount my ntfs partition
[03:54] <thoreauputic> cyberpc|nux: tu aura meilleure chance a #ubuntu-fr
[03:55] <ismail> and configre my fstab folder
[03:55] <ismail> _?
[03:56] <thoreauputic> !fr
[03:56] <ubotu> Va a #ubuntu-fr et #kubuntu-fr pour aide et discussion en francais
[03:56] <qaqa> is there any way of resizing ext3 partitions without losing data?
[03:56] <cyberpc|nux> thoreauputic,  merci je vais essay a cot
[03:56] <cyberpc|nux> ;)
[03:56] <thoreauputic> cyberpc|nux: pas de quoi ;)
[03:57] <qaqa> has OOO 2.0 for ubuntu been released?
[03:58] <jager> i have it
[03:58] <qaqa> I'm not able to locate the debs on apt.
[03:58] <qaqa> jager: are you running breezy?
[03:58] <jager> no, but i used the easy kubuntu script to install some stuff
[03:59] <qaqa> jager: I tried the windows version. It is very buggy and keeps crashing. is the linux port the same?
[03:59] <jager> ooo might have been part of it
[03:59] <qaqa> jager: well, the ooo i got thru kubuntu was 1.9.something
[03:59] <qaqa> not 2.0
[03:59] <qaqa> a dev snapshot i think'
[03:59] <jager> it seems ok
[04:00] <jager> haven't used it much though
[04:00] <jager> ok this says it is OOo1.9.129
[04:00] <libben> wow
[04:00] <qaqa> ya..that's what i have.
[04:00] <qaqa> it's a prerelease
[04:01] <jager> ic
[04:01] <libben> blender was the first program that opened itself so fast i couldent blink on it. kate and all other programs i have allways get the jumping logo and taking some secs before it pops up. blender just swooshed in and into fullscreen
[04:02] <djk_> there's a repo with the OOo2finals...
[04:02] <jager> does kaffeine crash when you close it?
[04:02] <jager> or is it just me :P
[04:02] <ismail> i dont use kaffeine
[04:02] <jager> well, i did
[04:02] <qaqa> djk_:  do you have the apt url?
[04:03] <ismail> i try to use amarok
[04:03] <jager> before i formatted and install ubuntu :P
[04:03] <jager> amarok is nice, but doesn't play videos
[04:03] <qaqa> does anyone know if there is a plugin for wmv for kaffiene/gstreamer?
[04:03] <djk_> qaqa: deb http://people.ubuntu.com/~doko/OOo2/ ./
[04:03] <ismail> but i coulndt find a mp3 plugin for amarok
[04:03] <qaqa> jager: i think you should use mplayer
[04:03] <qaqa> djk_: thanks
[04:03] <djk_> sure
[04:04] <jager> kafeiene integrates with kde better
[04:04] <qaqa> i've been using mplayer since 3 years now. it's  very usable. there is a kde frontend too - kmplayer
[04:04] <jager> hmm i'll lok at that
[04:05] <jager> biggest reason i don't wanna use it is no drag and drop playlists
[04:05] <qaqa> jager: yes, but i'm yet to locate a wmv plugin for it
[04:05] <jager> wow
[04:05] <jager> it's true it crashes every time i close it
[04:06] <jager> awesome
[04:06] <qaqa> :)
[04:07] <jager> hm, doesn't crash when it's in kicker
[04:08] <jager> btw i just played a wmv file in kaffeiene
[04:08] <jager> although
[04:08] <jager> it's one i created myself, a home movie of my son, so YMMV
[04:10] <qaqa> jager: did you download the codecs separately?
[04:10] <jager> just used the easy kubuntu script
[04:10] <jager> i installed this box a few hours ago
[04:11] <jager> last night it was a perfectly working mepis box that i was bored with
[04:14] <qaqa> when i install windows on a linux box, grub gets overwritten. How do i restore it?
[04:14] <Kamping_Kaiser> !grub
[04:14] <ubotu> I heard grub is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GrubHowto or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows or troubleshooting grub: http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub.html#Troubleshooting
[04:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> check the second link
[04:15] <qaqa> thanks
[04:16] <qaqa> btw, is the man:// protocol working well for breezy users? I'm not able to view mans which i can view on the console
[04:17] <jpatrick> qaqa: works here
[04:19] <qaqa> jpatrick: silly of me..It's man:/ not man://
[04:20] <jager> restoring my amaok db now
[04:20] <jager> amarok rules :)
[04:21] <jager> the whole point to this excercise was to get amarok working with projectm-xmms + libvisual
[04:21] <jager> mepis was being retarded
[04:22] <jager> brb smoke break
[04:26] <djk_> Kamping_Kaiser: i don't really like that wiki-entry, it's annoyingly complicated and requires a live-cd while you can easily reinstall grub with the install-cd.
[04:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> why does it require a live cd? o_0
[04:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> that's stupid
[04:27] <jager> who knows
[04:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> boot cd -> rescue -> mount your ubuntu partition -> grub-install or similar
[04:28] <djk_> Kamping_Kaiser: well, the wikis prerequisites state that "you have a live-cd you're comfortable with"..
[04:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> i see :|
[04:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> *stops giving people that link*
[04:30] <jager> awwww
[04:30] <jager> didn't save my stats for amarok
[04:30] <jager> how annoying
[04:31] <jager> hm, and now the amarok interface is locked up
[04:31] <jager> goddammit
[04:32] <jager> yep
[04:32] <jager> that's a crappy deal all right
[04:48] <TooSad> hi
[04:49] <TooSad> i want to open an application on my desktop with double click... how can i made it?
[04:51] <TooSad> i just made it
[04:51] <TooSad> tnx
[04:56] <jager> lame
[04:56] <jager> bash: /bin/cp: Argument list too long
[04:56] <jager> never seen that before
[04:56] <jager> blah
[04:58] <{{CORONA}}> i am in a bit of a problem: loggin in from kdm gives me a error regarding xsession and /tmp being full
[05:00] <LeeJunFan> coronaa: your / partition is probably full, try running from console 'sudo apt-get clean'
[05:00] <coronaa> LeeJunFan: hi  i tried that but it still does even autoclean
[05:00] <coronaa> LeeJunFan: what cmd will show me the amount of space left?
[05:01] <LeeJunFan> df -h
[05:02] <coronaa> LeeJunFan: it says 100% used!! should i add more space to it from windows?
[05:02] <LeeJunFan> you need to delete some stuff.
[05:03] <manveru> coronaa: are you in KDE?
[05:03] <coronaa> manveru: HI!! nope in console
[05:03] <Coolio10> hi
[05:03] <apachelogger> re
[05:04] <Coolio10> can someone walk me through an kubuntu installation?
[05:04] <manveru> coronaa: ok... in that case you haven't got the cool posibility to fire up konqueror to see what's taking space
[05:04] <coronaa> manveru: :( yes
[05:04] <apachelogger> Coolio10: just read the descriptions ;-)
[05:04] <manveru> Coolio10: if some question arises, come and ask
[05:05] <LeeJunFan> coronaa: paste the output of df -h here: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/ and give us the link to it.
[05:05] <coronaa> manveru: i have space in /home which is another /dev/hdasomething can i take some space from there and make root big
[05:05] <manveru> coronaa: do what leejunfan says :)
[05:05] <Coolio10> http://www.mrbass.org/linux/ubuntu/install/ At this page in screenshot #7 it says about partitions and i am planning to dual boot windows and linux so do i press Erase Entire Disk then guided partition because i havent created a partition for kubuntu yet.
[05:05] <manveru> hmm, wait
[05:05] <manveru> he is in console...
[05:06] <coronaa> LeeJunFan: yes how do i paste in console
[05:06] <LeeJunFan> ah, yeah.
[05:06] <LeeJunFan> coronaa: nevermind, anyway - do you have a separate partition for /home?
[05:07] <coronaa> manveru: LeeJunFan yes i have a seperate partition also there is this tmpfs when i do df -h
[05:07] <manveru> how large is your / ?
[05:07] <coronaa> there are two tmpfs???
[05:07] <Coolio10> anyone going to help me with a simple question?
[05:07] <apachelogger> Coolio10: why erasing the whole disk?
[05:07] <manveru> Coolio10: wait a second - have to look this up
[05:08] <Coolio10> ok
[05:08] <coronaa> 1.9gig
[05:08] <LeeJunFan> coronaa: under "mounted on" do you see a /tmp?
[05:08] <manveru> that is far too small
[05:08] <Coolio10> i just want a dual boot with windows and linux and dont want my windows erased
[05:08] <coronaa> LeeJunFan: no !!
[05:08] <Coolio10> and i dont have a partition for kubuntu yet so i am going to use the installer partition tool
[05:09] <jeda> anyone seen this error when trying to use adept in getting packages?
[05:09] <jeda> There was an error commiting changes. Possibly there was a problem downloading some packages or the commit would break packages.
[05:09] <LeeJunFan> coronaa: that's not much space for a desktop install, linux can be quite small, but toss in a full GUI, openoffice, a couple browsers, etc... and it all adds up fast.
[05:09] <LeeJunFan> Filesystem            Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
[05:09] <LeeJunFan> /dev/hda6             5.4G  3.5G  1.6G  69% /
[05:09] <coronaa> LeeJunFan: yes i tried to make / bigger
[05:10] <coronaa> :)
[05:10] <LeeJunFan> As you can see I have about twice that in use on mine.
[05:10] <manveru> Coolio10: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WindowsDualBootHowTo
[05:10] <manveru> Coolio10: i hope this can give you some hints
[05:10] <coronaa> LeeJunFan: what if i change the root partition size from pcq8 in windows?
[05:11] <LeeJunFan> coronaa: of course mine is taking up a lot of space because of kernel src's and a lot of devel utils and libs, etc.
[05:11] <LeeJunFan> coronaa: I honestly don't know about that. I've never resized an EXT partition.
[05:11] <coronaa> LeeJunFan: ok
[05:11] <manveru> jeda: check your sources.list :)
[05:12] <coronaa> LeeJunFan: i am bit stuck sitting in console hehe
[05:12] <jeda> manveru: I did and everything seems fine in there but let me check one more time
[05:12] <manveru> jeda: in doubt, just rebuild it
[05:12] <manveru> !sources
[05:12] <ubotu> A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 (Hoary) or http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2325 (Breezy) - Create your own sources.list at http://ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[05:13] <LeeJunFan> coronaa: resizing is worth a try.
[05:13] <coronaa> LeeJunFan: do you have a seperate partition for tmp?
[05:13] <LeeJunFan> coronaa: no, just / and /home
[05:13] <coronaa> LeeJunFan: i often get this tmp error
[05:13] <coronaa> and i end up cleaning all my apt got pckgs
[05:14] <LeeJunFan> coronaa: you won't if you give enough space to / :)
[05:14] <coronaa> LeeJunFan: yes i guess i will have to do something
[05:15] <coronaa> LeeJunFan: one thing could be to copy off stuff to /home and startup
[05:15] <coronaa> LeeJunFan: but i guess most of stuff in / is startup critical??
[05:15] <LeeJunFan> coronaa: right.
[05:15] <coronaa> :(
[05:16] <LeeJunFan> coronaa: or at least difficult to differentiate what you can move w/o something breaking.
[05:16] <coronaa> LeeJunFan: yes i shall try something
[05:16] <LeeJunFan> coronaa: try 'du -sh /var' will give you the space /var is taking up on /
[05:17] <LeeJunFan> coronaa: that's a good place to start clearing out, /var/log will fill up with logs fast and you don't need to keep them.
[05:17] <coronaa> LeeJunFan: LeeJunFan 98m
[05:18] <coronaa> LeeJunFan: ok
[05:18] <sambagirl> can someone check my streaming? http://24.99.180.216:8080/
[05:18] <jpatrick> sambagirl: it works?
[05:19] <jpatrick> it works*
[05:19] <sambagirl> thank you!
[05:19] <LeeJunFan> sambagirl: what exactly are you streaming - can't open with firefox or konq here.
[05:20] <sambagirl> vlc
[05:20] <sambagirl> videolan for audio testing first.
[05:20] <sambagirl> let me change something hold on
[05:21] <LeeJunFan> sambagirl: well, I don't have mozilla vlc plugin.
[05:23] <sambagirl> why not?
[05:23] <LeeJunFan> :) didn't have a use for it.
[05:24] <sambagirl> you dont know this until you do ;)
[05:24] <sambagirl> you need these things for avoiding embarrasing moments like this, no? :D
[05:24] <LeeJunFan> I didn't know I needed it until I had a use for it :)
[05:25] <manveru> apt-get install *
[05:25] <manveru> helps you avoiding every problem - and makes your hardware-supplier happy
[05:26] <LeeJunFan> manveru: lol
[05:26] <Satpam_Yudi> how to find default installation of mrtg like /usr/local/mrtg/ if i install mrtg with apt-get, i just found the /var/www/mrtg
[05:26] <manveru> !info mrtg
[05:26] <ubotu> mrtg: (multi router traffic grapher), section universe/net, is extra. Version: 2.12.1-1 (breezy), Packaged size: 646 kB, Installed size: 1724 kB
[05:27] <Satpam_Yudi> or should i do manual installation?
[05:27] <manveru> type 'whereis mrtg'
[05:27] <LeeJunFan> Satpam_Yudi: dpkg-query -L [package name]  should list all files installed by package.
[05:27] <sambagirl> can someone try stream again please
[05:27] <sambagirl> http://24.99.180.216:8080/
[05:27] <Satpam_Yudi> thanks..
[05:28] <Coolio10> whoever gave me the help thanks because i know how now!
[05:29] <djk_> sambagirl: works..
[05:29] <sambagirl> is quality good?
[05:29] <djk_> sambagirl: sure
[05:29] <sambagirl> ok thank you
[05:29] <djk_> no problem, what is it?
[05:30] <sambagirl> samba by joyce femininia
[05:30] <LeeJunFan> sambagirl: well damn, I installed the vlc plugin and still firefox wants to save a bin file, owell.
[05:31] <sambagirl> it's ok let i guess?
[05:31] <sambagirl> i hvae no viruses
[05:31] <sambagirl> have
[05:31] <sambagirl> ha
[05:31] <sambagirl> i hope not
[05:31] <morten> ... what web browers are there for kde... ... or, I know i can install firefox.. but then the "window" do not look like the rest of the windows.... (hope it makes just a little bit sense :) )
[05:31] <Juerd_> morten: Konqueror
[05:31] <Juerd_> morten: It is installed by default.
[05:31] <Juerd_> morten: It is also a file manager.
[05:31] <morten> besides that one, I somehow dont like it :P
[05:32] <Darkkish_Box> ok i dled americas army
[05:32] <Darkkish_Box> and its a run file
[05:32] <Juerd_> Let's discuss why you don't like it, and if we can change it to your liking.
[05:32] <Darkkish_Box> how do i compile it
[05:32] <jager> all that work for milkdrop
[05:32] <Juerd_> morten: What do you not like about Konqueror?
[05:32] <jager> only to find that my grappy video card barely drives it acceptably
[05:32] <jager> aaargh
[05:33] <morten> hmm, I really don't know
[05:33] <Juerd_> morten: Then I'm afraid I can't help you.
[05:33] <Juerd_> afk
[05:33] <jager> konqueror: king of file managers
[05:33] <morten> grin - brilliant :)
[05:33] <Juerd_> jager: And quite the nice web browser too.
[05:33] <Juerd_> afk
[05:34] <jager> better file manager than web browser, imo
[05:35] <BFA|WoRsTeNBoY> hi, i want to trim a file from the 5998550th byte till the 274643069th byte, is this correct ? cut -b 5998550-274643069 file.bin > test.bin
[05:35] <djk_> jager: krusader pwns konqueror any time of the day :p
[05:35] <manveru> sambagirl: ok, tried your stream in totem, but it crashed... (ergo - totem is crap)
[05:36] <sambagirl> umm try with vlc
[05:36] <manveru> sambagirl: in vlc i don't see anything
[05:36] <sambagirl> it is ogg stream
[05:36] <jager> looks like konaeuror in dual pane mode to me
[05:37] <Darkkish_Box> hey
[05:37] <Darkkish_Box> how do i install/compile a run file?
[05:38] <sambagirl> problem with ubuntu is no standard for listening to music
[05:38] <jpatrick> chmod -x <run file name>
[05:38] <sambagirl> stupid this work this not work that not work is stupid.
[05:38] <Darkkish_Box> thank you
[05:38] <jpatrick> ./<run file name>
[05:38] <sambagirl> works manveru?
[05:38] <Darkkish_Box> jpatrick: my flash player problem is solved
[05:38] <manveru> sambagirl: yeah, works
[05:38] <Darkkish_Box> however i still have the garbling problem
[05:38] <LeeJunFan> sambagirl: I can open it with vlc, just the browsers don't recognize it as vlc stream for some reason.
[05:38] <Darkkish_Box> however i found a temporary fix
[05:38] <manveru> sambagirl: only bad i have a download-limit... i would be listening to internet-radio all day
[05:39] <sambagirl> a limit?
[05:39] <Darkkish_Box> if i set my screen to 1280 x 1024 60
[05:39] <Darkkish_Box> it doesnt happen
[05:39] <sambagirl> unbelieveable a limit.
[05:39] <manveru> 10 gigs/month
[05:40] <manveru> and that's for 60 euros... :(
[05:40] <sambagirl> stay away from torrents then manveru ;)
[05:40] <sambagirl> that is criminal
[05:40] <buz> mhh and i thought my 2mbit for 60? was bad
[05:40] <sambagirl> that is theft
[05:40] <manveru> i don't download too much anyway... need internet for my work mainly
[05:40] <sambagirl> if they do that here we have a revolution
[05:41] <djk_> manveru: shit, i pay ~30 for 2mbit adsl with no traffic limit
[05:41] <sambagirl> i download 100gig of musica torrents easily a month.
[05:41] <manveru> -.-
[05:41] <sambagirl> maybe 200gig
[05:41] <manveru> some years ago whole austria was restricted to 2gigs/month
[05:41] <sambagirl> not to mention movies and videos
[05:42] <Darkkish_Box> O.O
[05:42] <sambagirl> restrictions?
[05:42] <Darkkish_Box> wtf
[05:42] <manveru> we had only one provider :)
[05:42] <sambagirl> who are they to restrict you? they slap your hand if you do more?
[05:42] <Darkkish_Box> oh so you mean 2gigs each
[05:42] <manveru> no, they just cancel the contract
[05:42] <sambagirl> how an adult let someone telling them what they can and can not do?
[05:43] <sambagirl> how ubsurd
[05:43] <manveru> if i get over 12gbs 3 times a year they kick me
[05:43] <buz> what if someone pingfloods you?
[05:43] <slow-motion> bye
[05:43] <sambagirl> if your over 18 your adult you stand up for your rights
[05:43] <jpatrick> sambagirl: I'm not over 18 :|
[05:43] <manveru> i _could_ get more ... but i would have to order cable
[05:44] <Darkkish_Box> nothing happened
[05:44] <Darkkish_Box> to my run file
[05:44] <sambagirl> oh
[05:44] <sambagirl> i thought australian men were rugid? not let others push them about? maybe i wrong on this.
[05:44] <manveru> sambagirl: btw is downloading of most of these movies and music illegal as well
[05:45] <manveru> sambagirl: not australian :) - austria
[05:45] <sambagirl> it's all open to interpretation
[05:45] <manveru> we're the ones yodeling in the mountains
[05:45] <sambagirl> one persons legal is always going to be someone elses illegal ;D
[05:45] <sambagirl> ahh austrian
[05:45] <buz> i thought we were those?
[05:45] <manveru> (in fact the japanese do that - but who cares)
[05:46] <sambagirl> i'm the one who's going to die when it;'s time for me to die, so i'll live my life how i want to.
[05:47] <manveru> sambagirl: i cannot do anything about it right now - when i order cable i lose my internet-connection
[05:47] <manveru> and when i lose the connection, i lose my job
[05:47] <sambagirl> yes
[05:47] <sambagirl> understood
[05:47] <manveru> and hell, i _love_ that job :)
[05:48] <buz> that's likely illegal no?
[05:48] <Darkkish_Box> ok i dled a run file
[05:48] <Darkkish_Box> how do i use it
[05:48] <jpatrick> make it exe: chmod -x <name>
[05:48] <Darkkish_Box> tried that.
[05:48] <manveru> buz: not when you're coding ruby ^^
[05:49] <jpatrick> and run it: `./<name>`
[05:49] <LeeJunFan> And people complain about American's having guns, bah. That's why we have so much other stuff :) We wouldn't stand for that crap. bwahahah
[05:50] <Darkkish_Box> when i type chmod -x armyops250linux.run
[05:50] <Darkkish_Box> it just goes to anotherline as if all i hit was enter
[05:51] <LeeJunFan> Darkkish_Box: it did what it was supposed to.
[05:51] <Darkkish_Box> its still a .run flie
[05:51] <Darkkish_Box> file
[05:51] <LeeJunFan> Darkkish_Box: now just type ./armyops250linux.run
[05:51] <LeeJunFan> yeah, but it's executable now.
[05:52] <Darkkish_Box> permission denied
[05:52] <Darkkish_Box> bash: ./armyops250linux.run: Permission denied
[05:52] <LeeJunFan> is it saved on a windows drive?
[05:52] <jpatrick> `sudo armyops250linux.run`
[05:52] <Darkkish_Box> no
[05:53] <Darkkish_Box> oh
[05:53] <jager> why is my gl performance so shitty on a fresh install?
[05:53] <jager> nvidia geforce2 with binary drivers
[05:53] <Darkkish_Box> sudo: armyops250linux.run: command not found
[05:53] <jager> ust installed kubuntu, i was running mepis before, and under mepis it was much faster
[05:53] <Darkkish_Box> :-/\
[05:53] <manveru> jpatrick: i don't think that's a good idea anyway
[05:54] <jager> glx screensavers are a 1 fps sort of deal
[05:54] <LeeJunFan> Darkkish_Box: ls -l armyops250linux.run    -- and paste what it says here.
[05:54] <LeeJunFan> Darkkish_Box: just the 1 line, with the file
[05:54] <Darkkish_Box> -rw-r--r--  1 nick nick 813453963 2005-12-10 23:43 armyops250linux.run
[05:54] <manveru> jager: sounds like you don't have the drivers installed correctly
[05:54] <jager> i get the nvidia splash
[05:54] <manveru> Darkkish_Box: do 'sudo chmod +x armyops250linux.run'
[05:55] <manveru> Darkkish_Box: after that './armyops250linux.run'
[05:55] <Darkkish_Box> sweet
[05:55] <Darkkish_Box> ty
[05:55] <Darkkish_Box> 776MB >.<
[05:55] <manveru> jager: yeah, but have you installed them really right?
[05:55] <jager> nope
[05:56] <jager> used the easy kubuntu script
[05:56] <manveru> easy kubuntu script? :)
[05:56] <jager> mmm
[05:56] <manveru> never heard from that...
[05:56] <jager> i sec
[05:56] <zolookas> can anybody tell me where can i get fresh sources.list file?
[05:56] <jager> i'll find a link
[05:56] <manveru> !sources
[05:56] <ubotu> A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 (Hoary) or http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2325 (Breezy) - Create your own sources.list at http://ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[05:56] <jager> it's neat
[05:56] <manveru> k
[05:57] <jager> http://olwin.free.fr/
[05:57] <manveru> Darkkish_Box: does it work?
[05:57] <jager> that thing
[05:57] <Darkkish_Box> well
[05:57] <Darkkish_Box> its at the install part
[05:57] <jager> that page is french but you get the idea
[05:57] <Darkkish_Box> and it says no write permission to usr/local/games/armyops
[05:57] <manveru> jager: ah, that was the former automatix-script
[05:57] <jager> if you say :)
[05:58] <jager> anyway, i am running an nvidia binary driver
[05:58] <manveru> jager: will try that :)
[05:58] <Darkkish_Box> it says no write permission to usr/local/games/
[05:58] <manveru> i don't think it was installed correctly anyway
[05:58] <manveru> Darkkish_Box: yeah, try running it with 'sudo ./howeverthatwascalled.run'
[05:58] <jager> how can i tell if its installed improperly?
[05:59] <manveru> !nvidia
[05:59] <ubotu> [nvidia]  at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia or http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=57368
[05:59] <manveru> check it against that
[05:59] <LeeJunFan> Darkkish_Box: if you plan to install to a directory the current user you are running as does not have permissions to write to, you need to become root with sudo so you can write to /usr/local or install somewhere else like your home dir.
[05:59] <Darkkish_Box> how do i make it so i dont always have to type sudo?
[06:00] <jager> give yourself uid 0 in /etc/password
[06:00] <LeeJunFan> Darkkish_Box: once it's installed you won't need to use sudo. You only need to use sudo to temporarily become root so the installer can write to a dir where normal users are not allowed to write.
[06:00] <_martin_> Hey guys. I need help installing the lastest version of FireFox (1.5). I just downloaded and extracted the GZ archive to a seperate folder. How to I actually install the program???
[06:00] <jager> but, that's not a good idea
[06:00] <zolookas> Darkkish_Box sudo passwd root
[06:00] <zolookas> ant then su
[06:00] <zolookas> :)
[06:00] <Darkkish_Box> man the console seems so 3.1\
[06:01] <Darkkish_Box> blue yellow grey and black lol
[06:01] <jager> booo
[06:01] <jager> cli ftw
[06:01] <manveru> Darkkish_Box: bad idea!
[06:02] <LeeJunFan> Darkkish_Box: well, actually unix console was around way before windows and DOS were a thought in someone's head.
[06:02] <Darkkish_Box> what is?
[06:02] <Darkkish_Box> i know that
[06:02] <Darkkish_Box> im just saying
[06:02] <manveru> zolookas: don't say something like that - messes up the whole system
[06:02] <jager> what system?
[06:02] <Darkkish_Box> lol
[06:02] <Darkkish_Box> i didnt
[06:02] <manveru> Darkkish_Box: to use console as root, use 'sudo -i'
[06:02] <zolookas> manveru i haven't noticed anything
[06:03] <manveru> so you have to type it only once
[06:03] <zolookas> bad
[06:03] <Darkkish_Box> cool
[06:03] <zolookas> :/
[06:03] <manveru> zolookas: but i have - having no root-password is part of the security-concept
[06:03] <jpatrick> manveru: it's `sudo -s`
[06:03] <djk_> manveru: what's the difference between -i and -s?
[06:04] <manveru> never heard from -s :)
[06:04] <manveru> manpage it
[06:04] <LeeJunFan> sudo -s preserves the environment vars, not always agood idea.
[06:04] <jpatrick> manveru && djk_: -s == tmp session
[06:04] <zolookas> manveru i have root password but i've changed it
[06:04] <LeeJunFan> -i is just like doing su
[06:04] <SAngeli> Hi, I just finished installing kubuntu but do not know the root password. Any way to find it out or do I have to re-install kubuntu?
[06:04] <manveru> LeeJunFan: ah, good to know
[06:05] <jpatrick> SAngeli: it's YOUR password
[06:05] <djk_> jpatrick: thanks.
[06:05] <manveru> ubotu: tell SAngeli about sudo
[06:07] <libben> http://news.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/spl/hi/pop_ups/05/in_pictures_buncefield_fuel_depot_blast/img/3.jpg
[06:08] <zolookas> :/
[06:08] <Darkkish_Box> damn... it would be nice if i knew how far finished my install is
[06:08] <jager> brb
[06:09] <_martin_> I have extracted my FireFox 1.5 tar gz file to a folder. How do I install the program? Help please
[06:09] <LeeJunFan> Darkkish_Box: yeah, not the most intuitive installer they made. Would have been better if they released .deb and .rpm packages instead of the .run file.
[06:09] <zolookas> apt-get install kernel or apt-get install linux ?
[06:09] <manveru> _martin_: just run it
[06:09] <_martin_> How?
[06:09] <CyrilleB> hi, I have installed the KDE 3.5 packages, but kdelibs4-doc is empty, how I get the kde api dox ? (without building them myself)
[06:09] <Darkkish_Box> how do i make a new directory in K >
[06:09] <Darkkish_Box> under all apps
[06:09] <manveru> _martin_: depends where it lies './whereeveryourfirefox/is/firefox'
[06:09] <kkathman> HEY Darkkish_Box :)
[06:10] <manveru> hey kkathman
[06:10] <Darkkish_Box> kkathman: sup
[06:10] <kkathman> howdy manveru :)
[06:10] <zolookas> #Darkkish_Box right ckick K and select menu editor
[06:10] <kkathman> Darkkish_Box:  hows the monitor doin?
[06:10] <_martin_> I have extracted the files to a folder on my desktop. I can't seem to find any installation files
[06:10] <Darkkish_Box> kkathman: you would not believe the fix
[06:10] <Darkkish_Box> nor do i
[06:10] <kkathman> well please tell me :)
[06:10] <Darkkish_Box> 1280 x 960 60 refresh
[06:10] <kkathman> ahhhhh
[06:11] <Darkkish_Box> the only way to fix it
[06:11] <Darkkish_Box> i tried everyother combo
[06:11] <kkathman> so you have somewhat of an unusual resolution?
[06:11] <Darkkish_Box> somewhat
[06:11] <Darkkish_Box> yeah
[06:11] <kkathman> I remember you saying that last night
[06:11] <Darkkish_Box> but the strange thing is, my native res is 1280 x 1024 for me
[06:11] <kkathman> I think there still is a fix around somewhere to help
[06:11] <Darkkish_Box> im sure
[06:11] <Darkkish_Box> but for now im fine
[06:11] <Darkkish_Box> its a nice res
[06:12] <kkathman> Darkkish_Box: but in Windows you can get the regular resolution?
[06:12] <Darkkish_Box> yeah
[06:12] <Darkkish_Box> everything is fine in windows
[06:12] <kkathman> Darkkish_Box: are you running nvidia ?
[06:13] <Darkkish_Box> yes
[06:13] <Darkkish_Box> why?
[06:13] <kkathman> hmmm and you used the install right out of the box for kubuntu yes?
[06:13] <Darkkish_Box> yes
[06:13] <Darkkish_Box> and the adept drivers
[06:13] <kkathman> ok one second...I seem to remember something I read on a forum or something...hang on
[06:13] <_martin_> I managed to install KDE 3.5 and every other thing I want but I can't install the latest FireFox... lol, feel like such a nOOb :D
[06:14] <Darkkish_Box> ok help
[06:14] <Darkkish_Box> in the menu editor
[06:14] <Darkkish_Box> i see a list called games
[06:14] <Darkkish_Box> but when i open K
[06:14] <Darkkish_Box> i dont see it
[06:15] <djk_> Darkkish_Box: because it's empty i suppose..
[06:15] <Darkkish_Box> oh.
[06:15] <Darkkish_Box> hmm
[06:16] <TooSad> i have put a cd  in my cd rom
[06:16] <Darkkish_Box> well i clicked save
[06:16] <Darkkish_Box> and it didnt change anything.
[06:16] <TooSad> but i have a window with: open with?
[06:16] <_martin_> Seriously, is there some install file in the folder I'm supposed to run or do I have to run some konsole command to install the latest FireFox??
[06:16] <TooSad> what must i do?
[06:16] <kkathman> Darkkish_Box: can you tell me specifically what your graphics card is?
[06:16] <Darkkish_Box> nVidia GeForce 6600GT
[06:16] <Darkkish_Box> asus i think
[06:17] <manveru> _martin_: you don't install it, you just run it
[06:17] <_martin_> How do I do that?
[06:17] <kkathman> aha!
[06:17] <Darkkish_Box> ?
[06:17] <manveru> _martin_: in the firefox-folder is a file called firefox
[06:17] <manveru> _martin_: modify your current firefox-icon to point to that file
[06:18] <_martin_> Is it the shell script?
[06:18] <manveru> yeah
[06:18] <_martin_> Hmmm
[06:18] <Darkkish_Box> kkathman: what?
[06:19] <jager> fuck
[06:19] <jager> so i logged out and in and now my screensaver works ok
[06:19] <jager> but projectm again fails to start
[06:19] <TooSad> how can i see a cd rom?
[06:20] <jager> what a waste
[06:23] <jager> SHIT
[06:23] <jager> this was working!
[06:23] <jager> aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh
[06:23] <jager> makes the baby jager cry
[06:25] <jager> worthless shite
[06:25] <jager> nothing like staying up all night, getting it to work, being pleased, then customizing  the new system only to find out that an hour later it inexplicably no longer works
[06:25] <jager> fuck
[06:26] <shart> sorry, stupid question, how do i switch from GDM to KDM ?
[06:26] <shart> i did it once before, cannot remember how
[06:26] <shart> there was a command for it, i remember that much
[06:26] <kkathman> shart - logout and backend .. choose a different session
[06:26] <shart> not KDE
[06:26] <shart> i know how to do that
[06:27] <kkathman> you can also do a ctrl-alt-backspace
[06:27] <kkathman> that restarts X
[06:27] <shart> i want to switch the login manager
[06:27] <manveru> shart: dpkg-reconfigure kdm
[06:27] <kkathman> ahh that too:)
[06:27] <shart> thank you very very much
[06:27] <manveru> shart: should happen automagically when installing kdm...
[06:27] <SAngeli> jpatrick: I read a bit this URL. I wonder if I can just in konsole type su - and get through as in other linux distro. I miss root password. Any way to set it or learn about it?
[06:28] <kkathman> SAngeli: yes, but dont
[06:28] <kkathman> just use sudo
[06:29] <SAngeli> kkathman: and then?
[06:29] <manveru> SAngeli: that's it
[06:29] <manveru> you use sudo and all the world is happy :)
[06:29] <SAngeli> when I type sudo, I get a usage manual. I rather wish to pass from user to root.
[06:29] <kkathman> thats all, if you are in KDE  use kdesu in front of the command
[06:30] <manveru> kkathman: only for x11-commands that is
[06:30] <kkathman> manveru: or apps
[06:30] <SAngeli> kkathman: yes I am in kde. Example. In gentoo I type from konsole su - and type the password and I change user becoming root. Is it possible in kubuntu?
[06:30] <manveru> SAngeli: use 'sudo -i'
[06:30] <kkathman> SAngeli: yes its possible
[06:31] <kkathman> but we highly discourage it, because more damage is done to system users that use root :)
[06:31] <kkathman> using the sudo etc causes one to pause and think what they are doing :)
[06:31] <SAngeli> kkathman: yes I know. I need thou to become 100% root for few minutes.
[06:31] <kkathman> why?
[06:32] <SAngeli> kkathman: ok. If I wish to run package manager if I do not provide a root password i do not go further
[06:32] <jager> thus kdesu
[06:32] <u19809> hi all, does anybody around here use the Microsoft wireless optical desktop 1000 ?
[06:33] <kkathman> SAngeli: type sudo apt-get install......
[06:33] <kkathman> thats a package manager
[06:33] <SAngeli> yes I know. What password do I have to provide?
[06:33] <SAngeli> kkathman: my user password or root password?
[06:34] <jager> they oughta be the same
[06:34] <kkathman> the root password
[06:34] <kkathman> lager not true
[06:34] <kkathman> well, it shouldnt be true...unless you have a single user system
[06:34] <TooSad> i can't open anything folder
[06:34] <jager> the root passwd is the same as the passwd for the initial userr created
[06:35] <kkathman> TooSad: whats wrong?
[06:35] <jager> bet me that's true in his case
[06:35] <TooSad> system:/media.desktop
[06:35] <TooSad> open with
[06:35] <SAngeli> kkathman: good. but how am I able to type the root password if I do not know it?
[06:35] <kkathman> jager...like I said..yes in a single user system :)
[06:35] <jager> they oughta be the same
[06:35] <kkathman> SAngeli: how did you login to your system in the first place?
[06:35] <SAngeli> as user
[06:35] <hugelmopf> guys, there has been a lot of wrong stuff in what you explained to SAngeli in the last lines
[06:36] <kkathman> As jager said, if you installed your system up and havent added any users, then the user and root will be the same
[06:36] <SAngeli> I see
[06:36] <hugelmopf> first: if you use "sudo ...", you have to type the USER password, and not the root password.
[06:36] <SAngeli> so if this is the case, how come I am asked for root password?
[06:36] <TooSad> kkathman why? can you help me?
[06:36] <SAngeli> let me try to logoff and see what user I have available.
[06:36] <manveru> user and root are _not_ the same
[06:37] <kkathman> hugelmopf:  but on a single user system they would be the same right?
[06:37] <jager> only the passwds are the same
[06:37] <jager> the accounts are disinct
[06:37] <manveru> no
[06:37] <manveru> root has no password
[06:37] <manveru> sudo uses the user-password
[06:37] <jager> haha
[06:37] <kkathman> the pass in the sudoers file then
[06:37] <kkathman> lol
[06:37] <hugelmopf> exactly as manveru says
[06:37] <jager> see that's where i part company with the ubuntu way
[06:37] <jager> i dislike not having a root passwd
[06:37] <jager> i can see that you guys really like it though
[06:37] <kkathman> sudo uses the user pass only if its in the sudoers file tho
[06:38] <manveru> kkathman: no, it uses the pass from etc/shadow
[06:38] <kkathman> whoa
[06:38] <kkathman> thats not what happened yesterday for me
[06:38] <manveru> really?
[06:38] <kkathman> I set up a new user
[06:38] <jager> projectm pisses me of
[06:39] <hugelmopf> kkathman: the sudoers file is only there to tell the "sudo" command, _who_ is allowed to run _what_ as root.
[06:39] <kkathman> tried sudo...and of course it didnt work
[06:39] <kkathman> put him in the sudoers file and voilla it worked
[06:39] <manveru> oh well, leave you argumenting - have to do some stuff :)
[06:39] <hugelmopf> kkathman: correct, see my reasoning above.
[06:39] <kkathman> hugelmopf: right
[06:39] <kkathman> but one cannot run sudo, if they are not in the sudoers file right?
[06:40] <jager> right
[06:40] <jager> any of you guys use projectm?
[06:40] <kkathman> and if you install ubuntu/kubunutu under expert mode you arent put in that file
[06:40] <hugelmopf> SAngeli: sorry for getting a bit off track here. to answer your question: of course there is the possibility to enable the root account.
[06:40] <jager> for xmms or amarok?
[06:40] <zolookas> can i get fresh linux kernel version through apt? Because it only shows me 2.6.12 :/
[06:40] <kkathman> ackk...we said he could...but there is no reason
[06:40] <hugelmopf> SAngeli: but if you don't have any specific reasons for it, Ubuntu discourages it.
[06:41] <kkathman> precisely :)
[06:41] <kkathman> sorry for the miscommunication
[06:41] <SAngeli> hugelmopf: I thank you for your info. I tried to login as root but no luck.
[06:41] <hugelmopf> SAngeli: if you really do need the root account, you can enable/give it a password with "sudo passwd"
[06:41] <SAngeli> as for managing/maintaining this distro I would assume being root, as i do in gentoo.
[06:41] <hugelmopf> SAngeli: no, you usually don't have to.
[06:42] <SAngeli> but if I have to access package manager, I am asked for a password. what do I do in this case?
[06:42] <hugelmopf> SAngeli: "sudo" gives you super user access, so if you run a command with "sudo", you have the same access rights as running it as root.
[06:42] <hugelmopf> SAngeli: in the default ubuntu setup you enter your user password
[06:42] <monsoon_aircos> :-D
[06:42] <hugelmopf> SAngeli: this means, the password of the first user set up during the ubuntu install
[06:42] <SAngeli> so, I can add users as regular user?
[06:43] <hugelmopf> SAngeli: any additional user that you add is not allowed to use "sudo", unless you specify him in the "/etc/sudoers" file
[06:44] <jager> any of you guys use projectm?
[06:44] <jager> for xmms or amarok?
[06:44] <hugelmopf> zolookas: no, you cannot get any newer kernel if you are running breezy.
[06:44] <TooSad> i can't open my cd rom
[06:44] <jager> sudo eject
[06:44] <hugelmopf> TooSad: rightclick on the cdrom-desktop-icon (if it is there) and unmount it.
[06:45] <SAngeli> hugelmopf: if I try to read or access "/etc/sudoers" I get access deny
[06:45] <jager> sudo
[06:45] <hugelmopf> yes, you have to do that with super user access, i. e. "sudo nano /etc/sudoers"
[06:45] <hugelmopf> sorry
[06:45] <TooSad> hugelmopf i have the icon but i cannot open or unmount
[06:45] <jager> yikes, amarok is crashy as hell
[06:45] <hugelmopf> that was wrong: you can view it likes this, but you have to use "visudo" to edit it
[06:46] <dennis_p> I have installed 3.5 but where can I find the eject the CD-ROM option
[06:47] <zolookas> #hugelmopf does it mean that breezy updates are crap?
[06:47] <SAngeli> I see
[06:47] <SAngeli> ok i now get it.
[06:47] <hugelmopf> zolookas: not at all. i don't see what you mean?
[06:47] <hugelmopf> zolookas: is a release cycle of 6 months not short enough for you?
[06:47] <SAngeli> one last question: If I do not find any application I need in package manager is there a way to get it addes to the list so I can install it through it?
[06:48] <hugelmopf> SAngeli: read in the wiki about different repositories, which you might want to add to your sources.list
[06:48] <SAngeli> sure I will.
[06:48] <SAngeli> thank you for now.
[06:48] <SAngeli> thank you all for your advice.
[06:48] <zolookas> #hugelmopf no, but when i had arch linux a always could be very up-to-date :)
[06:49] <hugelmopf> zolookas: i have also used archlinux before, but that is not comparable. (k)ubuntu has to be a stable and well-supported distro, you cannot just change the kernel after a release.
[06:50] <hugelmopf> zolookas: you can of course make your own kernel.
[06:50] <zolookas> #hugelmopf yes, i know i can :)
[06:50] <hugelmopf> zolookas: but there won't be any official newer kernel for breezy, because it is a support nightmare.
[06:51] <zolookas> #hugelmopf you mean new kernel problems?
[06:51] <hugelmopf> zolookas: well, to exchange such a central piece in a distribution will _necessarily_ introduce bugs.
[06:52] <hugelmopf> zolookas: you can run debian-testing/unstable, or ubuntu's dapper-flight-one or similar, if you want something comparable to archlinux.
[06:53] <dennis_p> anyone know a gui way to eject a CD-ROM?
[06:53] <hugelmopf> zolookas: but they are allowed to be broken, so don't expect too much.
[06:53] <jager> mepis is also quite nice
[06:53] <hugelmopf> dennis_p: the device icon on your desktop should allow this with a right-click?
[06:53] <jager> not really any more uptodate then ubuntu though
[06:53] <alerim> anyone using quanta+ 3.5 here? I'd like to know if it's so buggy only for me...
[06:53] <dennis_p> there is no icon on the desktop
[06:54] <jager> AAAAAAA
[06:54] <hugelmopf> dennis_p: maybe you have to activate the icons for devices (configure desktop - behaviour)
[06:58] <dennis_p> No, I think 3.5 is totally broken :-)
[06:58] <hugelmopf> for me it works.
[06:59] <jager> oh neat
[06:59] <jager> insert a cd and you get an annoying windows like box asking you where you want to go today
[07:00] <jager> do nothing, and thanks for asking :P
[07:03] <dennis_p> Well I can add a CD-ROM icon to the desktop via context menu > new > link to device > CD-ROM but is says FS Device no dev key when I try to click it
[07:04] <zolookas> #dennis_p specify device when you are creating CD-ROM
[07:04] <zolookas> in device tab
[07:04] <hugelmopf> dennis_p: have you tried what i described? (rightclick -- configure desktop -- behaviour --> enable the mounted/unmounted device icons for cd-roms)?
[07:06] <dennis_p> Yeah, even when I add mounted disk partitions it doesn't add any icon to the desktop
[07:06] <dennis_p> I can see the content of the CD via /media/cdrom0 though
[07:07] <dennis_p> But the icon in /media has no eject option
[07:07] <hugelmopf> i understand. very strange that the icons don't show up on the desktop. but try to look at "media:/" instead of "/media" in konqueror
[07:08] <hugelmopf> can you see it there?
[07:08] <dennis_p> Well that has always been empty
[07:09] <dennis_p> Guess kubuntu breezy configured that wrong from the start and there stuff does not work
[07:09] <dennis_p> therefor
[07:10] <hugelmopf> dennis_p: just because it does not work for you does not mean it is broken/a bug/misconfigured in general. it works fine for me, for example.
[07:11] <hugelmopf> have you tried with a fresh user?
[07:11] <dennis_p> Well remembered Konsole command "sudo umount /media/cdrom0" and now have pressed the hardware eject button. Succes sortof
[07:15] <dennis_p> Well, it must be a Kubuntu breezy bug, had all kinds of CD-ROM access in Kanotix, but that distro had some crazy SCSI emulation stuff because he thought it was 'better'.
[07:16] <dennis_p> But I have working Mythtv in kubuntu and that was my main goal
[07:16] <jager> hehe
[07:16] <jager> the holy grail
[07:17] <hugelmopf> dennis_p: usually cdroms/usbsticks/... should work right out of the box, so this problem should be solvable. i just don't have any real idea right now.
[07:17] <jager> blah
[07:17] <jager> i can't believe that it used to work and now fails exactly the same way it did last night
[07:18] <dennis_p> Well, maybe next kubuntu will be better. I'm still happy with it anyway, just not gonna insert CD's or USB in front of visitors :-)
[07:18] <jager> works for me too btw
[07:18] <jager> fwiw anyway
[07:19] <hugelmopf> dennis_p: lol ;-)
[07:19] <dennis_p> thanks, bye
[07:19] <jpatrick> dennis-: why?
[07:20] <jager> gremlins
[07:21] <xaltar> why do the dragons on kubuntu.org look depressed?
[07:21] <xaltar> http://kubuntu.org/images/konqis.png <--
[07:21] <jager> AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
[07:21] <jager> wtf
[07:21] <jager> does ANYONE use projectm?
[07:21] <jager> has anyone ever even SEEN anyone use projectm for more than 30 secods?
[07:22] <manveru> jager: first time i hear it...
[07:22] <manveru> xaltar: they are _cool_ not depressed :)
[07:22] <yoge> HI
[07:23] <manveru> jager: gimme a hint what projectm does
[07:23] <xaltar> manveru: they kinda look like they just got out of a funeral :\
[07:23] <jager> it's a port of he milkdrop api to linux
[07:23] <jager> think winamp visualizations
[07:23] <jager> much cooler than the stock crap
[07:24] <manveru> hmm.. visualizations...
[07:24] <jager> amarok + projectm = itunes ;)
[07:24] <jager> only better, natch
[07:24] <manveru> sorry, but i never used more than caca-fire :)
[07:24] <jager> of course, that's asuming you can get the accursed fuckers to install
[07:24] <jager> rather assuming you can get it to run once installed, it appears to install flawlessly
[07:25] <jager> and it's getting on my nerves
[07:25] <jager> i wiped a perfectly good mepis box on the assumption that it'd work better under ubuntu (no i dunno why i thought that, but it seemed reasonable at the time)
[07:26] <jager> and it did work
[07:26] <[miles] > evening guys... I came the other day trying to find a method of installing the windows ttf's.... and was told it was the msttfcorefonts file... but in adept I don't find this :-\ anyone tell me wtf I can get a repo that has it to add to adept please?
[07:26] <jager> for about 15 minutes i had it working
[07:26] <jager> and now it won't start
[07:26] <hugelmopf> miles: i have seen this information on the wiki, possibly on the RestrictedFormats page. did you search there?
[07:27] <[miles] > hugelmopf: hi...
[07:27] <[miles] > hugelmopf: I've got all the repo's enabled... none have the required file :-|
[07:27] <hugelmopf> let me look
[07:28] <djk_> [miles] : it's in multiverse
[07:28] <hugelmopf> but it is called msttcorefonts
[07:28] <hugelmopf> that's probably, why you did not find it
[07:30] <yoge> Hi, I changed my repositories  distribution option (using synaptic) from hoary to breezy and if I try to upgrade now  a lot of packages have to be removed and over 1.2G have to be downloaded! any sugesttions?
[07:30] <jager> so where is all the superkarambay goodness that kde 3.5 has?  hidden away somewhere?  i don't see it
[07:30] <hugelmopf> jager: there is an extrapackage i believe
[07:30] <jager> thought i read that it was to be intergrated into kde with 3.5
[07:30] <jager> sure of it
[07:31] <insanekane> jager: probably KDE4
[07:31] <jager> maybe
[07:31] <zaventh> it is in kde 3.5
[07:31] <hugelmopf> jager: i think it is, but still in a separate package
[07:31] <zaventh> kdetoys I believe
[07:31] <hugelmopf> no, superkaramba directly has a 3.5 version package
[07:31] <jager> well i'll just apt it then :)
[07:31] <jager> just to play
[07:32] <hugelmopf> yoge: 1.2G to be downloaded does not sound too much for a complete upgrade.
[07:34] <[miles] > sorry, back now
[07:34] <[miles] > djk_: you sure?
[07:35] <yoge> hugelmopf: What about all the packages that have to be removed? kdlibs and kde-dev are marked to be removed.
[07:35] <hugelmopf> miles: (19:28:41) hugelmopf: but it is called msttcorefonts
[07:35] <[miles] > djk_: http://es.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu  breezy-backports main restricted universe multiverse
[07:35] <[miles] > hi hugelmopf
[07:35] <djk_> miles, that is _backports_
[07:35] <djk_> !info msttcorefonts
[07:35] <ubotu> msttcorefonts: (Installer for Microsoft TrueType core fonts), section multiverse/x11, is optional. Version: 1.2ubuntu2 (breezy), Packaged size: 21 kB, Installed size: 164 kB
[07:36] <hugelmopf> yoge: to remove kdelibs is not good.
[07:36] <djk_> there, i am sure ;)
[07:36] <[miles] > sorry, I'm real new to Kubuntu... I'm a SuSE'er really... 6 years on it, never really touched on debian or spin offs
[07:36] <jager> i demand visualizations
[07:36] <yoge> Should I override this changes?
[07:36] <djk_> yea i guess 6 years with yast weren't a good impression of package management ;)
[07:37] <[miles] > :D
[07:37] <[miles] > I know my shit when it comes to SuSE... but Kubuntu... and it's package management system... no idea :)
[07:38] <[miles] > so is the server correct yeah, but do I need to add it as multiverse?
[07:38] <hugelmopf> yoge: are you able to find out, why it wants to remove kdelibs?
[07:38] <yoge> well in a closer look is kdelibs4
[07:38] <[miles] > thanks djk_
[07:39] <hugelmopf> ah, ok. it probably will install kdelibs4c2, right=
[07:39] <hugelmopf> ?
[07:39] <djk_> you're welcome
[07:41] <hugelmopf> yoge: i think everything should be ok, but if you want, you can PM me and i can check the changes that it proposes.
[07:41] <yoge> yes kdelibs4c2
[07:42] <hugelmopf> yoge: copy the proposals of "sudo apt-get -s dist-upgrade" to http://kubuntu.pastebin.com and i can look at them.
[07:44] <jager> anyone here ever get projectm to work?
[07:45] <Darkkish_Box> i cant get AA to work can someone help
[07:46] <Darkkish_Box> i installed it and everything
[07:46] <Darkkish_Box> but when i click on it
[07:46] <Darkkish_Box> it just loads and loads for like 30 seconds
[07:46] <Darkkish_Box> and then dissapears
[07:47] <kkathman> what's AA ?
[07:47] <Darkkish_Box> americas army
[07:47] <kkathman> ann
[07:47] <kkathman> oops
[07:47] <kkathman> ok
[07:47] <eXistenZ> what email client do you prefer guys for kubuntu? evolution?
[07:48] <Darkkish_Box> i use thunderbird
[07:48] <xaltar> kontact!
[07:48] <kkathman> eXistenZ: Kontact (it has kmail)
[07:48] <[miles] > PERFECT! djk_ MANY thanks for that.. and to you other guys, gonna bookmark that link btw... bbl
[07:48] <Darkkish_Box> well actually i havnt set it up yet...
[07:48] <hugelmopf> kontact as well!
[07:48] <eXistenZ> kkathman, Kmail doesn't support unicode tho
[07:48] <kkathman> I use Opera actually, but thats just me
[07:49] <Darkkish_Box> can someone tell me how to make americas army work
[07:49] <kkathman> thunderbird maybe?  I used that for a while but it annoyed me that the version under linux lacked alot of things that the version under windows had
[07:49] <eXistenZ> kkathman, opera for the email? it's a web browser, isn't it
[07:50] <kkathman> eXistenZ: well, Opera is a browser, but also has the capability to be a mail reader, IRC, news reader, RSS reader, etc
[07:50] <hugelmopf> eXistenZ: what exactly do you mean by unicode-support?
[07:50] <kkathman> its kind of an all in one tool
[07:50] <eXistenZ> hugelmopf, you cannot view mails that are in other langs
[07:51] <hugelmopf> well, i do all the time.
[07:51] <hugelmopf> (japanese and such, which should be unicode, right?)
[07:51] <hugelmopf> (not that i understand anything ;-))
[07:54] <SAngeli> Hi, where would locales file be? I am trying to find out how kubuntu managed localization Under gentoo it would be "/etc/locales.build"
[07:54] <Nakkel> How do I import emails in mbox format to KMail? What ever I try the File -> Import Messages menu is grayed out??
[07:54] <arafat> i can't burn any mp3-files with k3b.. it always says: Unable to handle the following files due to an unsupported format: <path/to/file> any suggestions?
[07:54] <kkathman> eXistenZ: you might try thunderbird...I think its unicode compliant..at least the windows version is
[07:57] <SAngeli> ?
[07:58] <eXistenZ> Konqueror is so damn slow compared to firefox here, what might cause this slowness?
[07:58] <hugelmopf> eXistenZ: i had the same problem because of ipv6. try the following:
[07:59] <hugelmopf> add "export KDE_NO_IPV6=true" to your .bashrc and logout and back in to KDE
[08:00] <eXistenZ> ok
[08:00] <eXistenZ> I just added it
[08:01] <SAngeli> where would locales file be? I am trying to find out how kubuntu managed localization Under gentoo it would be "/etc/locales.build"
[08:02] <crimsun> SAngeli: /etc/locale.gen
[08:02] <Zugot_> whats a good kde video player?
[08:03] <SAngeli> thks crimsun
[08:03] <hugelmopf> Zugot_: i like codeine, but it is not in the repositories. look for it on kde-apps.org
[08:05] <eXistenZ> hey, it's faster now
[08:05] <musashi> hmm, anyone know how can i set up konversation to use a proxy?
[08:06] <jpatrick> musashi: KControl
[08:07] <musashi> hi again jpatrick :)
[08:07] <musashi> kcontrol?
[08:07] <jpatrick> System Settings
[08:07] <musashi> ok, iam in kcontrol
[08:08] <musashi> i go to the section proxy right?
[08:08] <musashi> what do i do from there?
[08:09] <jpatrick> change it for your settings
[08:09] <eXistenZ> I got kdevelop installed here, and two of its components don't work, here are the gdb results: http://pastebin.com/459793
[08:10] <jpatrick> eXistenZ: Assisant and Designer?
[08:10] <eXistenZ> yep
[08:10] <jpatrick> Fixed in 3.5
[08:10] <jpatrick> work here
[08:11] <musashi> jpatrick: which configuration i use? there are like 5 options i can choose from
[08:11] <eXistenZ> How do you get 3.5?
[08:11] <eXistenZ> it's not in the repos. yet
[08:11] <jpatrick> eXistenZ: see topic
[08:12] <jpatrick> and the repos are frozen
[08:12] <musashi> jpatrick: well?
[08:12] <jager> anyone here grok amarok+projectm?
[08:12] <eXistenZ> jpatrick, so it's safe to upgrade to 3.5?
[08:12] <jager> the dudes in #amarok say to ask you guys
[08:13] <eXistenZ> jpatrick, am I supposed to disable the other repos?
[08:14] <jpatrick> eXistenZ: no
[08:15] <eXistenZ> jpatrick, there are a few packages to be removed when trying to upgrade to 3.5, approve?
[08:15] <jpatrick> eXistenZ: remove?
[08:15] <jpatrick> like?
[08:15] <eXistenZ> libmime
[08:16] <eXistenZ> libkcal
[08:16] <eXistenZ> libkdepim
[08:16] <jpatrick> allow those
[08:16] <eXistenZ> allow to remove them?
[08:16] <jpatrick> yeah
[08:16] <eXistenZ> right
[08:17] <jpatrick> I remove and nothing's happened
[08:17] <eXistenZ> Does it usually delete the old versions of the packages when upgrading?
[08:27] <war-totem> i have a quick question
[08:27] <war-totem> if im installing a multi cd game, how do i eject the first cd to put in the next?
[08:27] <war-totem> umount ... says cd is busy
[08:28] <war-totem> anyone?
[08:29] <djk_> war-totem: umount -l or -f
[08:29] <war-totem> djk_: ill give it a shot , tx
[08:30] <djk_> sure
[08:31] <federico> hello everybody! My system is kinda really slow since the last 2 days. I think the source could be a huge fontset (+- 6500 fonts) which I've installed during that time. Can this be true, or does this not have any influence on system stability?
[08:31] <war-totem> djk_: whats the exact command i have to give?
[08:32] <djk_> war-totem: sudo umount -l /location/of/what/is/mounted
[08:32] <eXistenZ> jpatrick, I upgraded it :)
[08:33] <jpatrick> :)
[08:34] <war-totem> djk_: its now telling me that the media is not mounted, but i cant eject
[08:34] <djk_> war-totem: sudo eject /location/bla
[08:35] <eXistenZ> jpatrick, I wonder why the control center won't open
[08:35] <jpatrick> :/
[08:35] <eXistenZ> =/
[08:36] <eXistenZ> "system settings" works instead
[08:36] <theblue> Hi all.
[08:37] <war-totem> djk_: ok that worked, hopefully last question, ive mounted the new cd, but the program isnt allowing me to continue installation? how do i force mount or something to that effect?
[08:39] <djk_> that i don't know..
[08:39] <war-totem> djk_: ok thanks for your help
[08:40] <djk_> no problem
[08:40] <ganymed> hello
[08:41] <ganymed> my new kernel 2.6.14 doesn't boot with kernel panic, vfs, unable to mount root fs...
[08:43] <ganymed> i don't use an initrd, but the reiserfs driver is compiled in, grub uses the right root partition (it works with 2.6.12)
[08:43] <ganymed> any ideas?
[08:43] <hunika> raphink: ???
[08:45] <eXistenZ> What is the link for multiverse repos?
[08:46] <hunika> Who can help me in istalling skype? I have followed the intructions in the wiki, but I can not install lib things I got some errors
[08:46] <jpatrick> archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu multiverse
[08:46] <imrabti> Hello
[08:47] <imrabti> How can i execute a command in the starting ok kubuntu
[08:48] <eXistenZ> jpatrick, is it safe to allow backports?
[08:49] <jpatrick> eXistenZ: yes
[08:49] <djk_> hunika: what errors
[08:49] <hunika> djk_: Thanks for helping me
[08:50] <imrabti> Please help me
[08:50] <hunika> djk_: In a min I will post to pastebin
[08:53] <hunika> djk_: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/459865
[08:56] <djk_> hunika: libqt3c-102mt is used by debian and if you installed it would screw up ubuntus libqt3... why did you not use the ubuntu.deb of skype?
[08:57] <hunika> djk_: I am following the steps at http://ubuntuguide.org/#skype
[08:57] <djk_> !ubuntuguide
[08:57] <ubotu> it has been said that ubuntuguide is an unofficial guide written by community members. It is not guaranteed to be up to date, or to work. There is an official guide, at http://help.ubuntu.com which is preferred.
[08:58] <djk_> don't use ubuntuguide if you don't know what you're doing.
[08:58] <djk_> !skype
[08:58] <ubotu> methinks skype is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SkypeHowto/ Breezy deb: http://seveas.ubuntulinux.nl
[08:58] <djk_> go to the second link, click on all, find the skype.deb, download it, install.
[08:59] <hunika> djk_: Ok I will try
[08:59] <djk_> or follow the instructions on the first link..
[09:02] <ganymed> ciao
[09:04] <hunika> djk_: I will paste error to pastebin
[09:06] <hunika> djk_: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/459884
[09:07] <djk_> hunika: that's not the deb from Seveas repo.
[09:07] <hunika> djk_: this deb is from skype.com
[09:08] <hunika> djk_: http://www.skype.com/go/getskype-linux-deb
[09:08] <morten> question, my comp has had some problems lately.. infact all the time I've had it.... sometimes when i boot up it writes:
[09:09] <djk_> hunika: if you want to use that one, follow the wiki ^^, if you just want to dpkg -i, use the deb from Seveas repo
[09:10] <morten> [4294671.6700]  crc error     ... and the next line is [4294671.67000]  Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: unable to mount root fs on unknown-block (0,0)
[09:10] <hugelmopf> hunika: it might be easiest, to add this line to /etc/apt/sources.list and then install skype with the package manager: deb ftp://ftp.free.fr/pub/Distributions_Linux/plf/ubuntu/plf/ breezy free non-free
[09:10] <morten> anyone have any idea what that is ? :P
[09:10] <djk_> hugelmopf: not really, easiest would be to go to seveas.ubuntulinux.nl and download it..
[09:11] <djk_> but apparently that was a bit too much..
[09:11] <hugelmopf> djk_: true. this repository will also give him a few more packages, which he might want _and_ it will update skype in future.
[09:11] <djk_> hugelmopf: yea well, now he's gone :p
[09:12] <hugelmopf> oops, i did not see. sorry for spamming ;-)
[09:12] <djk_> i dont think he got it right..
[09:14] <deemo> hey guys, i have a question, why am i not able to upgrade aggregator and a set of other programs to the newest versions since KDE 3.5?
[09:15] <hugelmopf> deemo: works for me, what is wrong?
[09:15] <deemo> when I go to the adept upgrader or synaptic upgrader, it tells me that they can not be upgraded
[09:16] <federico> hello everybody! My system is kinda really slow since the last 2 days. I think the source could be a huge fontset (+- 6500 fonts) which I've installed during that time. Can this be true, or does this not have any influence on system stability?
[09:18] <hugelmopf> deemo: what output does "sudo apt-get install akregator" give?
[09:19] <LeeJunFan> federico: yes, that can do it. I did the same thing once, best to pick and choose the ones you really want out of that fontset.
[09:20] <hugelmopf> federico: especially startup time of KDE will get a _lot_ longer!
[09:21] <federico> hugelmopf: this is also true for my system! After typing in my password, it takes a long time till KDE "really" boots!
[09:22] <deemo> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[09:22] <deemo>   akregator: Depends: libkdepim1a (>= 4:3.4.2) but it is not going to be installed
[09:22] <federico> Is there any easy way to clean up my fonts folder again?
[09:24] <hugelmopf> deemo: now the output of: "sudo apt-get install libkdepim1a"?
[09:24] <deemo> Depends: libkcal2b (>= 4:3.4.2)
[09:25] <deemo> i searched them both on adept, and they arent there
[09:26] <deemo> sorry, i closed the window
[09:26] <deemo> it says Depends: libkcal2b (>= 4:3.4.2)
[09:29] <hugelmopf> deemo: they should be in the same repository as akregator. can you do "apt-cache policy libkdepim1a"?
[09:29] <fenoamby> hello
[09:29] <hugelmopf> and look if it is there
[09:30] <fenoamby> i upgrade amarok 1.3.5 to 1.3.7 but now it s not running
[09:31] <hugelmopf> deemo: you have to find out, in which place of the dependency chain it fails. maybe use aptitude for that.
[09:31] <fenoamby> i find the instruction of this page : http://kubuntu.org/announcements/amarok-1.3.7.php
[09:36] <fenoamby> no idea for my problem ?
[09:37] <hugelmopf> fenoamby: i am not using amarok-1.7, but what does it tell you, if you start "amarok" from the console?
[09:38] <fenoamby> hugelmopf:  nothing
[09:38] <hugelmopf> does it crash or does it appear to keep running?
[09:40] <fenoamby> hugelmopf: i see Amarok in the taskbar but the program isn t open
[09:41] <hugelmopf> click on it.
[09:41] <fenoamby> and the Amarok in taskbar disapear
[09:41] <hugelmopf> ah, ok.
[09:41] <fenoamby> i can t click it s lunching but no running
[09:41] <hugelmopf> and then you are back at a konsole prompt?
[09:43] <hugelmopf> fenoamby: sorry that i cannot help you, as i don't have amarok-1.7 here. maybe somebody else?
[09:43] <fenoamby> in console, i write amarok  but nothing appear
[09:43] <fenoamby> it s lunching only via kde menu
[09:47] <LeeJunFan> I didn't see any need to update to 1.7 other than to invite problems, 1.3 plays my music just fine w/o a hassle. :)
[09:52] <eXistenZ> After I Installed kde3.5 this problem now occurs, http://pastebin.com/459954, when I restart the computer. at the time of restart some programs crash
[09:53] <mrj> help
[09:53] <mrj> HELP
[09:54] <mrj> i want to install skype
[09:54] <mrj> but i can not
[09:54] <mrj> it is not showing in Adept
[09:54] <mrj> what am i suppose to do ?
[09:56] <mrj> Hello PLEASE HELP ME
[09:56] <hussam> !skype
[09:56] <ubotu> it has been said that skype is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SkypeHowto/ Breezy deb: http://seveas.ubuntulinux.nl
[09:59] <mrj> thank you !
[09:59] <mrj> vielen Dank
[09:59] <mrj> Mercie
[09:59] <mrj> Blagodarim
[09:59] <mrj> Hvala
[09:59] <mrj> Sposiba
[09:59] <mrj> :)
[09:59] <hussam> omg
[10:00] <manveru> domo arrigato, mille grazie, muchos gracias :)
[10:00] <mrj> haha :)
[10:00] <mrj> even more
[10:00] <hussam> so far I only understood the thank you and the mercie
[10:00] <mrj> but that all is one group of languages - it's not fear
[10:00] <mrj> vielen Dank was in German
[10:01] <eXistenZ> can anyone please have a look at my problem?
[10:01] <mrj> Blagodarim - Bulgarian, Macedonian too - because the macedonians are bulgarians
[10:01] <mrj> hey guys
[10:01] <mrj> i think the kubuntu is super
[10:01] <mrj> !firefox
[10:01] <ubotu> parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, mrj
[10:02] <djk_> !firefox1.5
[10:02] <ubotu> well, firefox1.5 is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxNewVersion
[10:02] <manveru> eXistenZ: how about just telling us what's the problem?
[10:02] <mrj> aaah :)
[10:02] <mrj> thanks
[10:02] <djk_> :)
[10:02] <djk_> how do i add a gamepad?
[10:06] <mrj> hey
[10:06] <mrj> buddyes
[10:06] <mrj> how can i change the language of my kUBUNTU
[10:07] <eXistenZ> manveru, I just posted it above
[10:07] <mrj> i was so stupid to choose a macedonian language at astartup since it is a dialect of the bulgarian language. And now i can not understand all
[10:07] <hussam> mrj: run  kpersonalizer
[10:07] <eXistenZ> manveru, after I installed kde3.5 once I restart my computer, it simply displays a crash. http://pastebin.com/459954
[10:08] <mrj> :)
[10:08] <mrj> yes of course
[10:08] <mrj> !!! THANKS !
[10:08] <ubotu> mrj: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
[10:08] <mrj> ubotu - no thanks
[10:08] <ubotu> mrj: Bugger all, i dunno
[10:08] <mrj> :)
[10:08] <hussam> mrj: ubotu is a bot
[10:09] <Tm_T> no he's not
[10:09] <mrj> i know
[10:09] <mrj> just make a joke
[10:09] <mrj> :)
[10:09] <manveru> eXistenZ: no idea... sorry...
[10:09] <Tm_T> ubotu: how are you?
[10:09] <ubotu> Tm_T: you know how it is...
[10:09] <Tm_T> yeah, I know
[10:09] <Tm_T> sleep o/ ->
[10:10] <hussam> !Tm_T
[10:10] <ubotu> hussam: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
[10:10] <hussam> lol
[10:13] <hussam> Riddell: hi, are you there?
[10:14] <Riddell> hussam: hi
[10:15] <hussam> Riddell: I wanted to ask, will there be an updated for kde 3.4.3 and koffice 1.4.2 for this? http://www.kde.org/info/security/advisory-20051207-1.txt
[10:17] <djk_> how do i add a usb gamepad?
[10:18] <hussam> Riddell: I know you already updated kde 3.5.0
[10:19] <fatejudger> has anyone gotten around to packaging gstreamer 0.10 for Dapper?
[10:20] <Darkkish_Box> how do i know what kernel im using?
[10:20] <djk_> Darkkish_Box: uname -r
[10:21] <Riddell> hussam: yes, when we have a patch which is known good (that one is not)
[10:21] <hussam> Darkkish_Box: type uname -a in konsole
[10:22] <fatejudger> Riddell: what's the likelyhood of someone backporting gstreamer 0.10 to Breezy?
[10:22] <fatejudger> Riddell: I wouldn't exactly be thrilled if I had to use Dapper
[10:23] <hussam> Riddell: ok thanks :)
[10:25] <Riddell> fatejudger: why do you want gstreamer 0.10?
[10:28] <crimsun> (it's shiny ;)
[10:30] <hussam> crimsun: I can't understand people liking gstreamer. I'm still a xine fan.
[10:30] <Riddell> crimsun: nothing works with it
[10:30] <crimsun> Riddell: yeah, the shiny bit
[10:31] <hussam> I have kafffeine 0.7.1 on breezy with xine as default engine and it works brilliantly. everything from dvds to mp3 plays briliantly
[10:32] <Riddell> hussam: backports?
[10:32] <hussam> why is there a shift to gstreamer?
[10:32] <Riddell> hussam: gstreamer has a far superior architecture
[10:32] <Riddell> it also has very careful legal checking
[10:33] <hussam> Riddell: yep I backported 0.7.1. and all the  0.7.0 crashes are gone.
[10:33] <hussam> Riddell: it's not in the official backports although it should be
[10:34] <fatejudger> Riddell: the new gstreamer is good
[10:34] <fatejudger> Riddell: it works a lot better with my sound card
[10:34] <Riddell> fatejudger: using which program?
[10:34] <LeeJunFan> Yeah, I like what works, and that's not gs[r] teamer
[10:35] <fatejudger> Riddell: any audio program
[10:35] <Riddell> fatejudger: such as what?
[10:35] <fatejudger> Riddell: I can't pipe sound through alsa using the current gstreamer
[10:35] <fatejudger> Riddell: it skips
[10:35] <fatejudger> Riddell: so I asked the people in #gstreamer
[10:36] <fatejudger> Riddell: and they said it was fixed in the 0.9 development version
[10:36] <fatejudger> Riddell: which means that it's fixed in 0.10
[10:36] <Riddell> fatejudger: but are you using 0.10 now?
[10:36] <fatejudger> Riddell: no
[10:37] <fatejudger> Riddell: that's why I want it backported
[10:37] <Riddell> fatejudger: ah, that's where I was confused
[10:37] <fatejudger> Riddell: if it isn't going to be backported, I'll just upgrade to Dapper I guess
[10:37] <Riddell> fatejudger: I'm afraid that you'll have to wait for some programs to be ported to gstreamer 0.10 before it's any use to you
[10:37] <fatejudger> Riddell: amarok-gstreamer doesn't work with 0.10?
[10:37] <Riddell> none of the programs in dapper use gstreamer 0.10 yet
[10:37] <Riddell> fatejudger: no, amarok hasn't been ported to gstreamer 0.10, they're working on it
[10:38] <fatejudger> Riddell: I would imagine they'd release it soon
[10:38] <fatejudger> Riddell: although I know their developers are big xine supporters
[10:38] <fatejudger> Riddell: so it might take a couple of versions for them to release a version that's compatible with 0.10
[10:38] <Riddell> 1.4 they hope
[10:39] <fatejudger> Riddell: the timetable of Kaffeine is probably even worse
[10:39] <hussam> Riddell: thanks for the amarok 1.3.7 packages btw.
[10:39] <Riddell> fatejudger: yeah, I should ask them
[10:40] <kakei> any similar program like gphoto for kubuntu?
[10:41] <hussam> kakei: digikam
[10:43] <fatejudger> Riddell: let me know what you find out
[10:44] <Darkkish_Box> how do you kill X?
[10:44] <Darkkish_Box> and then how do you start it again?
[10:44] <zaventh> ctrl-alt-backspace
[10:44] <Darkkish_Box> that just logs out
[10:44] <zaventh> it restarts X
[10:45] <fatejudger> Darkkish_Box: sudo killall kdm
[10:45] <Darkkish_Box> and how do you restart X from the console?
[10:45] <Cainvil> hm, /etc/init.d/kdm start ?
[10:46] <Darkkish_Box> how am i suposed to remember that.
[10:47] <Darkkish_Box> ok thankyou
[10:47] <zaventh> /etc/init.d is your friend
[10:47] <Cainvil> if you really have a bad short memory, type it in a text file in your home
[10:47] <Darkkish_Box> i just wrote it down.
[10:47] <Darkkish_Box> bbiab
[10:48] <neoncode> How do you figure out your kernel version? I forgot the command.
[10:48] <zaventh> uname -r
[10:48] <neoncode> zaventh: Thanks
[10:51] <Darkkish_Box> that didnt work
[10:51] <Darkkish_Box> ok when i stol x
[10:52] <Darkkish_Box> stop x
[10:52] <Darkkish_Box> everything stops
[10:52] <Darkkish_Box> it acts like its closing evertthing down then it hangs at a certian point
[10:52] <Darkkish_Box> where its listing prossesses to stop
[10:52] <Darkkish_Box> does anyone here have an nvidia graphixcard?
[10:54] <Cainvil> your system got frozen when you killall x ?
[10:54] <Cainvil> kdm
[10:55] <Darkkish_Box> uh
[10:55] <Darkkish_Box> kinda
[10:58] <SpentCasing> i have kopete .011, my friend needs to upgrade to it but cant find it any suggestions?
[10:59] <SpentCasing> was it installed with kde3.5 only maybe?
[11:00] <Riddell> is MSN working on Kopete for people with KDE 3.5?
[11:01] <SpentCasing> yeah works great for me
[11:01] <Darkkish_Box> Riddell: it works for me unless i use the remember password
[11:05] <Darkkish_Box> who in here plays AC WW
[11:09] <os2mac> This may be more of a KDE question and if this is the wrong forum say so and I will go elsewhere....
[11:09] <Darkkish_Box> its fine
[11:09] <os2mac> how do I map a key combination to a function...
[11:09] <os2mac> I.E. fn+F10 to eject the cdrom....
[11:10] <os2mac> the fn key works and eject cdrom is a valid command in bash how do I set that up?
[11:10] <Darkkish_Box> hmm
[11:10] <Darkkish_Box> i wouldnt know
[11:11] <Darkkish_Box> try asking in a KDE place no one else here is alive and im pretty new to linux
[11:11] <l3m> os2mac: you'll probably need to use acpi
[11:12] <os2mac> why would acpi have anything to do with that?
[11:12] <l3m> os2mac: afaik fn-anything is handled by acpi and not the normal xkeymap
[11:12] <_StarScream> os2mac: ah you can set it up in pbuttonsd
[11:12] <_StarScream> os2mac: i have an ibook too, i think its that, or sysctl
[11:12] <_StarScream> something like that
[11:13] <l3m> os2mac: well it depends on what laptop you have. mine ( sony vaio ) works like that...
[11:13] <_StarScream> and it will work in kde too
[11:13] <os2mac> I have a Inspiron 8600
[11:13] <l3m> os2mac: have a look in /etc/apci there are some scripts, maybe that helps you
[11:14] <l3m> os2mac: of course there might be a possibility that on your laptop you can just use the fn key to bind a normal keymapping, whcih would be done in systemsettings->regions & accessibility
[11:18] <os2mac> it won't take input from the fn key... but some of the functions that fn calls work correctly.... (i.e suspend, screen brighten etc....) but the eject doesn't
[11:20] <l3m> os2mac: yes that's because there are scripts in /etc/acpi to handle those functions
[11:21] <os2mac> so how do I write a script to handle that function?
[11:21] <l3m> os2mac: just have a look at the existing ones
[11:21] <l3m> it's quite simple
[11:21] <l3m> and just make them call "eject" instead of whatever it originally did
[11:26] <os2mac> ok so I created a script that does eject /media/cdrom now how do I make acpi recognize it?
[11:31] <l3m> os2mac: read the scripts in /etc/acpi/event
[11:31] <l3m> os2mac: just do it.
[11:35] <fenoamby> hello
[11:35] <os2mac> ok obiviously I am missing something....
[11:35] <os2mac> how do I call the function key and the F10 key in the script
[11:36] <fenoamby> i have i little problem : when i click on a file (.doc, .xls, .mp3) , the program running (i see the 1rst windows with the name of the program) but the program isn t lunching
[11:37] <fenoamby> if i want to open a file, i must lunch the program and make an open file
[11:39] <michi> hat jemand eine idee warum die verbindung mit dem imap nicht klappt?
[11:39] <michi> Dec 11 23:18:28 meb1 imaplogin: authdaemon: starting client module
[11:39] <michi> Dec 11 23:18:29 meb1 imaplogin: authdaemon: TEMPFAIL - no more modules will be tried
[11:39] <michi> habe diese meldung im log file
[11:40] <Hobbsee> !de
[11:40] <ubotu> I guess de is Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu und Kubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de resp. #kubuntu-de
[11:51] <sproingie> is there any way to get a keyboard shortcut for the google widget in konqueror
[11:52] <fenoamby> i have i little problem : when i click on a file (.doc, .xls, .mp3) , the program running (i see the 1rst windows with the name of the program) but the program isn t lunching
[11:52] <fenoamby> if i want to open a file, i must lunch the program and make an open file
[12:00] <Frookyo> hi all
[12:00] <Frookyo> i've just installed kubuntu
[12:00] <Frookyo> but during the installation it didn't asked me for the root password
[12:01] <Frookyo> and now the installation is completed and i am logged in as a user...
[12:02] <bonzay> Frookyo: http://kubuntu.org/faq.php#root
[12:02] <angasule> hmm, I installed the gcc package, but there is no cc file or link, is there some other package I should add or what?
[12:02] <mpm2> I'm struggling to get my orinoco/proxim card working under kubutu.  the card doesn't show up when I run iwconfig... what can I try next?  (i've been googling it for about 30 minutes)
[12:03] <bonzay> Frookyo: or https://wiki.ubuntu.com//RootSudo
[12:04] <os2mac> mpm2: what kind of computer: lappy or desktop?
[12:04] <mpm2> laptop pcmcia os2mac