[01:06] <lukacu> good night
[07:17] <klepas> what a dreary afternoon
[08:20] <artnay> good morning :)
[09:50] <artnay> hey, any new ideas concerning wiki pages?
[09:52] <artnay> what if /*buntuArtwork would be just one long page without subcategory links? we could split sections using headings and place links directly to projects. that way it wouldn't be a link mess
[09:53] <artnay> hi lukacu 
[09:53] <artnay> let me repeat myself:
[09:53] <artnay> what if /*buntuArtwork would be just one long page without subcategory links? we could split sections using headings and place links directly to projects. that way it wouldn't be a link mess
[09:54] <artnay> if /*buntuArtwork would consist of Projects, Resources and Guides, it wouldn't be too hard to split it that way
[09:55] <lukacu> hello artnay
[09:55] <artnay> but if it gets any bigger than that, /*buntuArtwork should use subcategory links and short summaries
[09:56] <artnay> what do you think?
[09:56] <artnay> it would be about time to renew the wiki :)
[09:57] <lukacu> that is what i had in mind yesterday... but i was not very clear about it i know
[09:57] <artnay>  /Artwork = links to UbuntuArtwork, KubuntuArtwork, EdubuntuArtwork, XubuntuArtwork, FAQ, Licensing, Contact
[09:58] <artnay> in order of appearance
[09:58] <artnay> lukacu: why? what's on your mind?
[09:59] <lukacu> subtitles and that :)
[09:59] <artnay> are you translating something?
[10:00] <lukacu> translating what?
[10:00] <artnay> some subtitles? :)
[10:01] <artnay> nevermind, I guess you meant wiki subtitles
[10:01] <lukacu> yes :)
[10:02] <artnay> lukacu: more specific titles?
[10:02] <artnay> that's what I've been thinking, and the structure of /*buntuArtwork pages
[10:03] <artnay> but what should be done with older projects? it would be nice to have some history as well so we could learn from past
[10:04] <artnay> Goals for Breezy, Goals for Dapper (when we're at Dapper+1)
[10:04] <lukacu> i think titles listed above are just fine ... projects, resources, guides etc.
[10:04] <lukacu> we can have section "past projects"? :)
[10:04] <artnay> sure, why not. let's just dump them somewhere :)
[10:05] <klepas> sounds like a good idea
[10:05] <klepas> but it would become quite a lengthy page...
[10:06] <lukacu> it that case we can still split it
[10:06] <artnay> so instead of a long page, should we use just a few links to subcategories at /*buntuArtwork pages?
[10:07] <klepas> yea, sounds alrighty
[10:07] <klepas> -y
[10:07] <artnay> type wiki ubuntu into fx, type artwork into search box, end up to /Artwork, click UbuntuArtwork, click Projects, click the desired project
[10:07] <lukacu> i am more of a long-page-guy ... but no problem :)
[10:07] <artnay> isn't that a way too, umh, difficult way?
[10:08] <klepas> one long page is fine
[10:08] <klepas> but you might want to talk to the edubuntu/xubuntu/kubunut art people then too
[10:08] <artnay> of course, they might have some great ideas
[10:08] <artnay> that we're missing here
[10:09] <lukacu> yup ... more people
[10:09] <artnay> how do we contact them? they don't have an IRC channel
[10:09] <artnay> should we invite them here?
[10:09] <artnay> or should we just have the meeting that we've been planning for last two or three months? :)
[10:09] <lukacu> :D
[10:10] <lukacu> i it like some kind of master plan to conquer the world ;)
[10:10] <lukacu> s/it/is
[10:11] <klepas> i think dropping off a message for a few days to the kubuntu-users mailing list ought to do for the kubuntu people
[10:12] <klepas> organise a massive general k/ed/x/ubuntu artwork IRC meeting
[10:12] <klepas> and discuss this
[10:12] <klepas> we can write up an agenda
[10:12] <artnay> https://launchpad.net/people/kubuntu-team
[10:12] <klepas> and get this over with
[10:12] <klepas> yea, but there aren't many people part of that team
[10:13] <klepas> addressing the kubuntu ML would be better
[10:13] <klepas> and we could get other people interested too :)
[10:13] <artnay> that's why we need /ArtworkContact page or something
[10:13] <klepas> check the ArtTeam page
[10:14] <klepas> I added a contact and joining section
[10:14] <artnay> you know what's wrong with that? it's full of data that the user isn't looking for
[10:14] <artnay> it doesn't separate people by projects
[10:15] <artnay> it should say clearly who are participating to Ubuntu, Kubuntu etc.
[10:15] <artnay> so yes, there's some info we could use when we build the contact page
[10:17] <lukacu> how about having a PR guy :)
[10:17] <artnay> now we should find (or know) who are members of non-Ubuntu projects and then contact them
[10:17] <artnay> because that page doesn't state that clearly
[10:18] <klepas> but generally we agree that a lage page of /Artwork would be good
[10:18] <artnay> it would be just the main page and has to bee minimalistic
[10:18] <artnay> it would contain links to /*buntuArtwork pages that might be built as we've planned
[10:19] <klepas> which has various sub-pages (this is possible, no?) which address various other areas of the Artwork, such as the different types (k/edu/x/ubuntu)
[10:19] <artnay> hmm
[10:20] <artnay> lukacu: are you volunteering? :D
[10:20] <lukacu> lol
[10:20] <klepas> I'm happy to help out
[10:21] <artnay> "me too" :>
[10:21] <artnay> brb, I have to smoke a ciggie
[10:21] <lukacu> i will help (but not with the pr thing if you had that in mind ;) )
[10:22] <lukacu> i ll be back in an hour or so ... bye
[10:23] <klepas> lukacu: bye :)
[10:25] <artnay> mhz is already unifying the artwork syntax 
[10:26] <artnay> klepas: oh, so probably already read that as you're online 24/7 :>
[10:27] <artnay> s/so/you, typos here, there and everywhere
[10:29] <artnay> so how should we deal with dupe pages? for example UsplashArtwork would be used in every project but only with different splash screens
[10:29] <klepas> make one page for them all
[10:30] <klepas> for stuff like that
[10:30] <klepas> or /KubuntuUsplashArtwork
[10:30] <klepas> for example
[10:30] <klepas> artnay: yea, i'm online 24/7 :P
[10:30] <artnay> and that would include a link to all Usplash pages
[10:30] <klepas> http://wombat.nuxified.com/node/101
[10:30] <artnay> links
[10:30] <klepas> :)
[10:33] <artnay> it's broken
[10:33] <artnay> you're restaring the daemon or what? I can't connect atm :|
[10:34] <klepas> huh?
[10:35] <artnay> Firefox can't establish a connection to the server at wombat.nuxified.com.
[10:36] <artnay> now it's working although SQL is broken
[10:36] <klepas> damnit
[10:36] <klepas> using Firefox?
[10:36] <artnay> yep
[10:36] <klepas> why not Konqueror?
[10:37] <klepas> try again now, btw
[10:37] <artnay> because I'm at work and using win XP
[10:37] <klepas> ah, rightio
[10:37] <artnay> well I do use FX on every computer
[10:37] <klepas> SQL connection is being shitty
[10:37] <artnay> one word: extensions
[10:39] <artnay> it's only the about page that has DB problems
[10:39] <klepas> just reload a few times
[10:39] <klepas> i know, the server and SQL have been annoying me today
[10:39] <klepas> not my fault though
[10:40] <artnay> cool, it's working
[10:41] <artnay> no, /101 isn't working :|
[10:44] <klepas> =\
[10:44] <klepas> try again in 5 or so minutes
[10:44] <artnay> sure, just let us know when you're ready
[10:45] <klepas> i'm not going to touch it
[10:45] <klepas> i don't have access to the CPanel.
[10:45] <klepas> can't even make an SQL dump
[10:46] <klepas> so i'll let it fix itself or let the admin see it and fix it
[10:46] <klepas> s/admin/host
[10:53] <artnay> ok, it doesn't work. what's in there? :o
[11:16] <klepas> loads for me
[11:17] <artnay> Access denied
[11:17] <artnay> You are not authorized to access this page.
[11:17] <artnay> and lots of SQL errors
[11:43] <klepas> it's happened before
[11:43] <klepas> and it fixed itself
[11:43] <klepas> nothing i can do, even if i wanted to because i don't have access
[11:44] <lukacu> im back :)
[11:44] <artnay> no problem. if it's necessary information, you could always tell it here
[11:44] <artnay> instead of blogging it :)
[11:45] <klepas> yea
[11:45] <klepas> basically i wanted to show a screenshot
[11:45] <klepas> which is independent of the DB
[11:45] <klepas> so here's the link
[11:45] <klepas> btw, it seems to be working
[11:46] <klepas> the actuall site
[11:46] <klepas> http://wombat.nuxified.com/gallery/file/Screenshots/2005-12-09-uptime.png
[11:46] <artnay> why doesn't XP have a world clock, dammit... what time would it be in chile?
[11:46] <artnay> gmt -8?
[11:46] <artnay> klepas: are you able to change the geometry of yakuake in KDE 3.5?
[11:47] <artnay> yakuake --geometry blabla
[11:47] <klepas> what's the capital of Chile
[11:47] <klepas> yea, iirc
[11:47] <artnay> santiago
[11:48] <klepas> in Santiago, it's 07:48 right now
[11:48] <artnay> umh, I must have messed up something with the compilation then
[11:49] <artnay> let's just hope that there's no long queues so mhz could make it here :)
[11:49] <klepas> :)
[11:50] <klepas> what icon set do you use for KDE?
[11:50] <klepas> i can't seem to find a complete/near to complete good one... =[
[11:51] <artnay> are you serious? a heavy mix of human, humility, nuove xt, vista look-a-like
[11:52] <klepas> nuove xt isn't complete enough
[11:52] <klepas> and the K icon looks like trash, imho
[11:52] <artnay> klepas: where does yakuake store its config data?
[11:53] <klepas> ~/.kde/share/config/yakuakerc
[11:53] <artnay> klepas: I haven't found so good icon set that I wouldn't have modified it
[11:53] <artnay> oh yeah, how could I forgot tango...
[11:53] <klepas> Tango sucked last time i tried it
[11:53] <klepas> which was 0.5.1
[11:53] <klepas> iirc
[11:54] <klepas> It wouldn't create icons for my small panels
[11:54] <klepas> all PNGs were all 48x and up.
[11:54] <klepas> My panel uses 32x
[11:54] <artnay> hey, when you set the geometry information, what does it write to yakuakerc?
[11:55] <klepas> i'll post my config to one-on-one
[11:55] <artnay> klepas: yeah, but take the best parts of CC-SA 2.5 sets, tweak them and combine :)
[03:36] <artnay> hi guys
[03:36] <artnay> mhz: you were unifying syntax, how?
[03:36] <artnay> mhz: and have you voted already? :)
[03:37] <mhz> artnay: moin
[03:37] <omeg> Voted?
[03:37] <mhz> not voted yet (about 28 C degrees.. too hot)
[03:38] <mhz> omeg: Chilean elections for president 2day
[03:38] <mhz> artnay: unifiying sytax... nope. Using moin syntax to give pages a better look
[03:38] <artnay> ah, ok.
[03:39] <omeg> Ah
[06:02] <klepas> i'm off
[06:02] <klepas> cheers all
[10:43] <AndyFitz> someone has to package synfig!!!!  .  I'm going to #motu