=== Judax [n=troy@adsl-209-30-131-130.dsl.austtx.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [12:34] hey there Judax :) [12:34] HIya [12:34] or...Hiya [12:36] whichever you prefer [12:36] how's it going? [12:36] not too bad, how about yourself [12:37] hi mdke [12:37] good thanks, hi rob1 === rob1 is updating to dapper on his laaptop [12:39] dapper kubuntu i'm getting erros so be careful rob1 [12:39] cool [12:39] just got 2 mac mini's and put kubuntu on one and gentoo on the other [12:40] trying to squash a bug [12:40] thats my main reason for it === rob^laptop [n=rob@ubuntu/member/rob1] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mdke 's computer suffers as he forces it to build translated xml [01:02] good luck with that :) [01:03] yeah my laptop really struggles with it ;) [01:03] mdke: remember when i mentioned i wsa doing that migration, still at it :( [01:03] ouch [01:04] just started the system restore, should be 4 more hours :( [01:04] blimey [01:04] hope they pay you extra [01:04] the whole day is overtime [01:04] good [01:05] time and a half :) [01:05] but the good thing is the satilitte tv connections come into the server room, so i just bring in a tv and hook it up [01:05] ah nice [01:05] fucking rosetta pisses me off [01:06] so many bugs [01:06] so on that bug, should i update to refrence it will be fixed in the serverguide or just leave it as is? [01:07] not sure [01:07] i didn't really read the bit it related to === mdke edits the finnish translation of the faqguide by hand to make it work === LaserJock is unfortunately unilingual. Darn US school system ;-) [01:12] grin so am i :) [01:13] i don't speak much finnish either [01:13] nor portughese, romanian or serbian [01:13] all of which have errors :( [01:13] stupid rosetta >_< [01:18] mdke: sounds to me like YOU are rosetta [01:19] mm? [01:28] `svn up` is the command to bring a svn repostiry up to date isnt it? [01:28] yeah [01:28] thanks [01:30] dang, my laptop still has the bug [01:30] even with dapper [01:30] hey LaserJock, you around? [01:31] yeah [01:31] LaserJock, just a small thing, any idea what this is: [01:31] Now signing changes and any dsc files... signfile ubuntu-docs_5.10-7.dsc Matthew East [01:31] gpg: skipped "Matthew East ": secret key not available [01:31] gpg: [stdin] : clearsign failed: secret key not available [01:32] mdke, i got the same error [01:32] from -docs? [01:32] sure looks like your gpg key isn't working [01:32] mdke, it's something related to the key-agent [01:32] ah [01:33] i don't have a gpg agent afaik [01:33] who would know about this stuff? [01:33] mdke, there is another way to sign your package [01:33] i'd like the devscript to work tho :( [01:34] mdke, just give a few second to find it [01:34] ok do you export DEBFULLNAME and DEBEMAIL somewhere? [01:34] not to my knowledge [01:35] i have it in .bashrc === Bonzodog [n=Bonzodog@unaffiliated/bonzodog] has left #ubuntu-doc ["Leaving"] [01:35] is .devscripts enough? [01:35] yeah, if it is in there [01:35] no [01:35] what do i put in there? [01:36] well, I don't have a .devscripts but you should be able to just put the name and email address that is in your gpg key [01:36] ok i'll try [01:37] heh [01:37] my debdiff is 8 meg [01:37] oh man [01:37] it's fine tho [01:37] all translations [01:37] right === Burgundavia [n=corey@S0106000000cc07fc.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [01:38] where those rosetta translations [01:38] eh? [01:38] are the translations done by rosetta [01:38] yes [01:39] i have done the faqguide, need to do the aboutubuntu translations now [01:39] so the debdiff will go up even further :) [01:39] will the docs ever be split up into different languages? [01:39] in what way? [01:39] oh the packages [01:39] like ubuntu-docs-de, ubuntu-docs-en etc [01:39] not sure [01:39] it would be a decent idea i guess [01:40] yeah, at package time [01:40] seems like these .debs are pretty big [01:40] yeah they are [01:40] ideally, they'd be in language-packs but i think it will be too difficult [01:42] LaserJock, it's still not signing the package [01:42] mdke: so do you have gpg set up? [01:43] as far as I know... [01:43] mdke: if you do gpg --list-keys do you find your key? [01:43] i use it for email [01:43] ok [01:44] the primary uid is not that email address tho, that doesn't matter right? [01:44] mdke, sign your package manualy [01:45] mdke: but mdke@ubuntu.com is in the list for your key? [01:45] yep === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-doc [01:46] mdke: I'm honestly not very good with gpg. -motu might know [01:47] ok [01:47] it's not a bad error tho right? [01:48] mdke: the "secret key not available" part is wierd [01:48] hmm [01:48] mdke: It doesn't prevent you from making the package [01:48] mdke: You just haven't signed it [01:48] no [01:49] mdke, install sea-horse, it will solve the problem [01:49] most of the guys in -motu or -devel would know much more than me [01:49] seahorse is a gui frontend for gpg isn't it? [01:49] mdke, it's also a gpg agent [01:50] seahorse is good, gpa is also [01:50] well gnome has a gpg agent doesn't it? [01:50] built in? [01:50] mdke, nope [01:51] how about gnome-gpg - GPG passphrase agent based on GNOME Keyring [01:51] is that good? [01:51] mdke, but sea-horse work extremely in gnome, it has even gpg plugin in gedit [01:51] mdke, i don't know [01:52] mdke, btw, sea-horse is the default agent for ubuntu [01:53] ok [01:53] mkde, ha , i found it [01:54] dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -kSOMEKEY [01:54] i'm using debuild [01:54] :( [01:54] i'll ask around [01:54] ok === mdke is working on getting an ENORMOUS debdiff [01:55] i've just found another 5 new translations to install [01:58] -> bed [01:58] mdke: usually you can pass the same arguments to debuild as you would to dpkg-buildpackage [01:58] ah ok [01:58] debuild is just a wrapper around dpkg-buildpackage [01:58] so there must be something I can stick into .devscripts [01:59] do I give it the keynumber? [01:59] or a uid? [02:00] i'll try the number [02:00] night all [02:00] mdke I'm not sure [02:00] good night [02:00] ciao! [02:04] mdke: you can also use -us -uc to not sign anything until you really need to [02:16] -k# has worked :) [02:16] it asks me for my passphrase at the relevant time [02:16] thanks theCore ! [02:16] and LaserJock :) [02:16] mdke, np [02:17] 8.6M debdiff.txt [02:17] that's the end I think [02:17] i've done everything [02:19] cool [02:20] i'll upload everything to the doc server [02:20] it will take blooming ages tho === rob^laptop [n=rob@ubuntu/member/rob1] has joined #ubuntu-doc [03:19] blooming.....theres a term ive narry heard in years [03:19] people in america dont use [03:19] it [03:25] only if we are watching British tv ;-) [03:26] lol [03:26] Scot here, I have so little taste for the Brit subculture LJ [03:26] =) [03:26] but mdke is a good guy regardless [03:27] hmm, haven't heard narry for a while either [03:27] lol [03:27] Stopped using it when I came to America === LaserJock needs to start watching some Monty Python ;-) [03:28] Why thats the most vicious and cruel tempered rodent yer ever set eyes on [03:29] lol [03:29] I am Tim [03:29] Tim the Enchanter [03:30] First must thou remove the holy pin [03:30] then shall thou count to three [03:30] no more [03:30] no less [03:30] three is the number thou shall count [03:30] and the counting of the number shall be three [03:30] 5 is right out [03:30] 4 shall thou not count [03:30] nor 2 [03:30] 5 is right out [03:30] One Three, the 3rd number be reached [03:32] man, I am going to laugh all night now [03:33] I love that movie [03:33] lol [03:33] so do I [03:33] the cool thing is you just say one thing and a whole flood of laughs start [03:34] lol [03:34] no kidding [03:34] So if she weighs as much as a duck [03:35] BURN HER!! [03:36] She turn me into a newt [03:36] it got better [03:36] Well, I got better [03:36] well we did do the nose [03:36] and the hat [03:36] but she has got a wart [03:36] No no , I want to go in and face the peril [03:36] no [03:37] the peril is too perilous [03:37] I bet your gay [03:37] just a little peril? [03:37] LJ I like you already [03:37] =) [03:37] You sound ok too [03:37] lol [03:37] yeah [03:37] I try [03:37] despite what they say about me [03:39] I haven't heard anything bad, yet ;-) [03:40] geeze [03:40] how is that possible [03:40] lol [03:41] well, so far I have stayed in -motu mostly [03:41] I think for a while [03:41] I was the most hated of all on the forums [03:42] that's not fun :( [03:42] nobody likes to be hated [03:42] I get used to it [03:42] I have an opinion [03:42] and if others dont like it [03:42] theyll get over it [03:42] <----seriously and militantly anti windows [03:43] was that ^^ a problem? [03:43] for a number of people yes [03:43] I honestly see no reason for any user [03:43] to have to use it [03:43] I dont [03:44] why should someone else [03:44] well, I am trying to get Ubuntu into university research [03:44] it is amazing how many research groups use windows [03:44] BioInformatics [03:45] I have a friend over at UGA and another at GAtech [03:45] that are both interested in builds of Ubuntu [03:45] I am lucky, my advisor couldn't use windows even if he wanted to [03:45] that can satisfy those needs [03:45] I want to use just regular Ubuntu [03:45] for computational analysis [03:45] not necessarily for computational research [03:45] I dont think that windows can beat it [03:45] but thats just an opinion [03:46] plus clustering is much cheaper that Mainframing [03:46] that alone appeals to many uni's [03:46] but for just regular scientific research [03:46] windows still cant beat a decent nix/ubuntu build [03:46] well, many people will use linux for clusters and such but not for their regular machines [03:46] thats a barrier that needs to be broken [03:46] my dad is a pro-windows guys, you should see is set of "reparing tools", i can't stop laughing at him [03:47] that is why I started the MOTU Science team [03:48] many scientists only see linux as something to run on a cluster for computational/theoretical research [03:49] I use it for data aquisition and publication preperation [03:49] presentations, everything [03:49] linux is simply great for anything [03:49] and it's free [03:49] I aggree theCore [03:49] research groups spend well over $1000 per comp for data aquisition software [03:50] but to some free isnt nessecary aggreeable [03:50] unnessecarily so LJ [03:50] kinda, linux is just getting to where it is comperable [03:51] I write my own data aquisition programs, but there are starting to be more and more OSS alternatives [03:52] LabVIEW is good [03:53] yeah, that is what I am talking about [03:53] my boss says that LabVIEW is the devil [03:53] lol [03:53] so that means I get to write everything in C [03:54] or Fortran [03:54] yuck, fortran ... [03:54] I am trying to get him to let me migrate it to Python [03:54] my lab uses Fortran almost exclusively [03:55] but we don't have to do any hardcore stuff [03:56] but I am lucky because at least my boss lets me use linux [03:56] although he has started buying a lot more macs [03:58] macs for scientific use ? [03:58] yeah, because they can do most of the linuxy things that we do [03:58] mac are more for artists than scientific [03:58] but you can run Office on it [03:59] that true, mac os x is build on unix now [03:59] that is the only reason my boss would do it [04:00] plus it is now "fashionable" to use macs among science profs [04:01] i don't like this new tendence to get "fashion" computer [04:01] it just a way to get more disturb [04:03] yeah, I went to a national conference in August with about 20,000 chemists and virtually all the presenters had macs [04:03] if you tell Apple your a scientist at a uni and they will give you a better deal [04:04] lol [04:04] mac are so expensive [04:04] even if you get a rebate [04:04] well, that is what government money is for ;-) [04:06] at we can install ubuntu on them ;) [04:06] at least* [04:07] I am just going to get my boss to by me a AMD64 and save like $500 over an imac [04:08] and you will probably get a better and faster computer [04:08] heck yes [04:11] nice i found a system with ubuntu as the default OS [04:12] http://www.zinside.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=70 [04:13] ubuntu is getting BIG [04:13] that is cool [04:14] the comp is crapy however [04:15] but it has ubuntu [04:15] B+ for me [04:16] I wouldn't turn it down [04:17] i would never buy a pre-build, it so easy and fun to build a custom one [04:17] yeah, but my boss won't let me build my own :( [04:19] does your boss let you do something ? [04:19] I can buy an imac [04:19] lol [04:19] yay! [04:20] he will let me build pretty much anything prebuilt [04:21] that give you some room for creativity [04:21] well, HP has got some AMD64's [04:22] get a Dell, HP suck [04:23] HP puts really bad parts in their comps [04:23] they cool case, though [04:23] they have* [04:23] Dell has better support too [04:26] I have bad luck with both [04:26] some of the high end Dells are ok, but they seem to have gone down hill recently [04:27] really? [04:27] I have and HP at home and at least 3 Dells at work, they all suck to some degree [04:28] the Dell 8300 has been pretty good though [04:28] i know, that why I always build custom system [04:29] dell business support is good, personal support sucks [04:29] wtf, intel is going nuts [04:29] right, the machine I have at work right now is a personal machine I built [04:30] they are going to make processors with 8 cores! [04:30] jjesse: it is hard for us academics too, I think we end upin personal support [04:30] LaserJock: they keep the business support in the US and personal support is outsouced to india or somethin like that [04:31] jjesse: yeah, I know ;-) [04:32] grumble, migration to new as/400 has tanked, going to be here all night [04:33] what would you guys recommend for a desktop < USD$1500 ? [04:34] hp [04:34] if you have to go store bought [04:35] that is what I was thinking [04:37] I wish I could just build it myself though. [04:40] LaserJock, why your boss prohibits you from building a custom system? [04:41] theCore: because it wastes our time [04:41] he doesn't get that I could build it in an afternoon [04:42] I spend more time dealing with the crap of trying to buy a prebuilt [04:42] maybe, you could buy the comp in a local computer store [04:43] you could get a custom system without building it ;) [04:43] maybe [04:44] It really doesn't matter suppose. I just hope he doesn't get me an imac [04:44] lol [04:44] i am sure you would get over it [04:45] he probably would get mad at me if I put Ubuntu one it, but then he doesn't have to know [04:45] how would he now? [04:45] he is so old school most of the time [04:46] he would be checking out what I'm doing or something and he would be, "Wait this is brown, not silver" [04:47] you got a really nice boss, you know ;) [04:47] theme it [04:47] oh, I really like my boss. He would probably just look at me funny [04:47] I can get away with just about anything [04:48] He just doesn't like these new fangled linux distros [04:48] He is an old red hat guy. Has never used gnome or kde or much of anything gui [04:49] macs are gui [04:50] yeah, but he just loads fvwm and emacs [04:50] although hes starting to come around a bit [04:50] at first he thought gnome was Windows [04:59] gnome doesn't look like windows at all ... [05:00] grin gnome is ugly [05:00] i like gnome [05:00] well, he though kde was Windows to [05:00] basically, anything besides fvwm was Windows [05:01] but now that he has the mac he is better about it [05:01] kde look more like window [05:01] although his view of linux is from fvwm/red hat days [05:02] he is always amazed that I can pretty much do anything a Windows or mac can do and I don't have to code it myself [05:08] LaserJock: im tied into IE on a lot of things [05:13] jjesse, like ? [05:14] theCore: two programs that force me to use activex and also NTLM authentication [05:14] yuck [05:14] and of course Microsoft Exchange, for outlook [05:14] bummer, I feel sorry for you [05:14] LaserJock: i'm a windows network admin for a living :) [05:16] oh, well that makes sense then [05:17] I'm a chemist so I am fairly free to do whatever I want [05:17] except university IT can be troublesome [05:19] grin [05:20] i use linux at work as often as i can [05:21] I have windows at home (for the wife) and Ubuntu at work [05:31] LaserJock: wife uses windows as well === tlambert [n=todd@c-24-125-47-253.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Judax [n=troy@adsl-68-93-134-99.dsl.austtx.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === theCore [n=thecore@Toronto-HSE-ppp3786963.sympatico.ca] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:04] LaserJock, check i made ubuntu just like a mac: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/i5591 [06:08] cool [06:09] I am much more into a traditional Ubuntu look though ;-) [06:09] me too [06:11] it could be cool for tricking your boss ;) [06:13] he would certainly be confused [06:14] yeah === Kingbahamut [n=bahamut@c-24-98-229-28.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:27] LaserJock, did you continue thePackagingGuide? [06:29] not so much [06:29] I hope to work on it more soon, I've been doing some motu work [06:30] i would like to do some motu work too [06:34] i would like to join the MOTUScience some day, those packages gotta make my life easier when I will start my science studies [06:35] maybe after the Packaging Guide ... === rob^laptop [n=rob@ubuntu/member/rob1] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:40] theCore: sure [07:01] LaserJock, i must go [07:01] cya === robitaille [n=robitail@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:22] hi robitaille [09:23] hello Madpilot [09:24] gearing up for the Christmas insanity? [09:26] it's not too bad. Shopping is nearly done since we have to ship most of it to the east [09:27] And I'm taking 2 weeks off of holidays. So it should be a relaxing time [09:27] cool - do all three kids still believe in Santa? :) [09:28]