[12:34] <mdke> hey there Judax :)
[12:34] <Judax> HIya
[12:34] <Judax> or...Hiya
[12:36] <mdke> whichever you prefer
[12:36] <mdke> how's it going?
[12:36] <Judax> not too bad, how about yourself
[12:37] <rob1> hi mdke 
[12:37] <mdke> good thanks, hi rob1
[12:39] <jjesse> dapper kubuntu i'm getting erros so be careful rob1 
[12:39] <mdke> cool
[12:39] <Judax> just got 2 mac mini's and put kubuntu on one and gentoo on the other
[12:40] <rob1> trying to squash a bug 
[12:40] <rob1> thats my main reason for it
[01:02] <jjesse> good luck with that :)
[01:03] <mdke> yeah my laptop really struggles with it ;)
[01:03] <jjesse> mdke: remember when i mentioned i wsa doing that migration, still at it :(
[01:03] <mdke> ouch
[01:04] <jjesse> just started the system restore, should be 4 more hours :(
[01:04] <mdke> blimey
[01:04] <mdke> hope they pay you extra
[01:04] <jjesse> the whole day is overtime
[01:04] <mdke> good
[01:05] <jjesse> time and a half :)
[01:05] <jjesse> but the good thing is the satilitte tv connections come into the server room, so i just bring in a tv and hook it up
[01:05] <mdke> ah nice
[01:05] <mdke> fucking rosetta pisses me off
[01:06] <mdke> so many bugs
[01:06] <jjesse> so on that bug, should i update to refrence it will be fixed in the serverguide or just leave it as is?
[01:07] <mdke> not sure
[01:07] <mdke> i didn't really read the bit it related to
[01:12] <jjesse> grin so am i :)
[01:13] <mdke> i don't speak much finnish either
[01:13] <mdke> nor portughese, romanian or serbian
[01:13] <mdke> all of which have errors :(
[01:13] <mdke> stupid rosetta >_<
[01:18] <Judax> mdke: sounds to me like YOU are rosetta
[01:19] <mdke> mm?
[01:28] <Kaiser_Sleeps> `svn up` is the command to bring a svn repostiry up to date isnt it?
[01:28] <mdke> yeah
[01:28] <Kaiser_Sleeps> thanks
[01:30] <rob^laptop> dang, my laptop still has the bug
[01:30] <rob^laptop> even with dapper
[01:30] <mdke> hey LaserJock, you around?
[01:31] <LaserJock> yeah
[01:31] <mdke> LaserJock, just a small thing, any idea what this is:
[01:31] <mdke> Now signing changes and any dsc files... signfile ubuntu-docs_5.10-7.dsc Matthew East <mdke@ubuntu.com>
[01:31] <mdke> gpg: skipped "Matthew East <mdke@ubuntu.com>": secret key not available
[01:31] <mdke> gpg: [stdin] : clearsign failed: secret key not available
[01:32] <theCore> mdke, i got the same error
[01:32] <mdke> from -docs?
[01:32] <LaserJock> sure looks like your gpg key isn't working
[01:32] <theCore> mdke, it's something related to the key-agent
[01:32] <mdke> ah
[01:33] <mdke> i don't have a gpg agent afaik
[01:33] <mdke> who would know about this stuff?
[01:33] <theCore> mdke, there is another way to sign your package
[01:33] <mdke> i'd like the devscript to work tho :(
[01:34] <theCore> mdke, just give a few second to find it
[01:34] <LaserJock> ok do you export DEBFULLNAME and DEBEMAIL somewhere?
[01:34] <mdke> not to my knowledge
[01:35] <LaserJock> i have it in .bashrc
[01:35] <mdke> is .devscripts enough?
[01:35] <LaserJock> yeah, if it is in there
[01:35] <mdke> no
[01:35] <mdke> what do i put in there?
[01:36] <LaserJock> well, I don't have a .devscripts but you should be able to just put the name and email address that is in your gpg key
[01:36] <mdke> ok i'll try
[01:37] <mdke> heh
[01:37] <mdke> my debdiff is 8 meg
[01:37] <LaserJock> oh man
[01:37] <mdke> it's fine tho
[01:37] <mdke> all translations
[01:37] <LaserJock> right
[01:38] <LaserJock> where those rosetta translations
[01:38] <mdke> eh?
[01:38] <LaserJock> are the translations done by rosetta
[01:38] <mdke> yes
[01:39] <mdke> i have done the faqguide, need to do the aboutubuntu translations now
[01:39] <mdke> so the debdiff will go up even further :)
[01:39] <LaserJock> will the docs ever be split up into different languages?
[01:39] <mdke> in what way?
[01:39] <mdke> oh the packages
[01:39] <LaserJock> like ubuntu-docs-de, ubuntu-docs-en etc
[01:39] <mdke> not sure
[01:39] <mdke> it would be a decent idea i guess
[01:40] <LaserJock> yeah, at package time
[01:40] <LaserJock> seems like these .debs are pretty big
[01:40] <mdke> yeah they are
[01:40] <mdke> ideally, they'd be in language-packs but i think it will be too difficult
[01:42] <mdke> LaserJock, it's still not signing the package
[01:42] <LaserJock> mdke: so do you have gpg set up?
[01:43] <mdke> as far as I know...
[01:43] <LaserJock> mdke: if you do gpg --list-keys do you find your key?
[01:43] <mdke> i use it for email
[01:43] <LaserJock> ok
[01:44] <mdke> the primary uid is not that email address tho, that doesn't matter right?
[01:44] <theCore> mdke, sign your package manualy
[01:45] <LaserJock> mdke: but mdke@ubuntu.com is in the list for your key?
[01:45] <mdke> yep
[01:46] <LaserJock> mdke: I'm honestly not very good with gpg. -motu might know
[01:47] <mdke> ok
[01:47] <mdke> it's not a bad error tho right?
[01:48] <LaserJock> mdke: the "secret key not available" part is wierd
[01:48] <mdke> hmm
[01:48] <LaserJock> mdke: It doesn't prevent you from making the package
[01:48] <LaserJock> mdke: You just haven't signed it
[01:48] <mdke> no
[01:49] <theCore> mdke, install sea-horse, it will solve the problem 
[01:49] <LaserJock> most of the guys in -motu or -devel would know much more than me 
[01:49] <mdke> seahorse is a gui frontend for gpg isn't it?
[01:49] <theCore> mdke, it's also a gpg agent
[01:50] <LaserJock> seahorse is good, gpa is also
[01:50] <mdke> well gnome has a gpg agent doesn't it?
[01:50] <mdke> built in?
[01:50] <theCore> mdke, nope
[01:51] <mdke> how about gnome-gpg - GPG passphrase agent based on GNOME Keyring
[01:51] <mdke> is that good?
[01:51] <theCore> mdke, but sea-horse work extremely in gnome, it has even gpg plugin in gedit
[01:51] <theCore> mdke, i don't know
[01:52] <theCore> mdke, btw, sea-horse is the default agent for ubuntu
[01:53] <mdke> ok
[01:53] <theCore> mkde, ha , i found it
[01:54] <theCore> dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -kSOMEKEY
[01:54] <mdke> i'm using debuild
[01:54] <theCore> :(
[01:54] <mdke> i'll ask around
[01:54] <theCore> ok
[01:55] <mdke> i've just found another 5 new translations to install
[01:58] <mdke> -> bed
[01:58] <LaserJock> mdke: usually you can pass the same arguments to debuild as you would to dpkg-buildpackage
[01:58] <mdke> ah ok
[01:58] <LaserJock> debuild is just a wrapper around dpkg-buildpackage
[01:58] <mdke> so there must be something I can stick into .devscripts
[01:59] <mdke> do I give it the keynumber?
[01:59] <mdke> or a uid?
[02:00] <mdke> i'll try the number
[02:00] <mdke> night all
[02:00] <LaserJock> mdke I'm not sure
[02:00] <LaserJock> good night
[02:00] <theCore> ciao!
[02:04] <LaserJock> mdke: you can also use -us -uc to not sign anything until you really need to
[02:16] <mdke> -k# has worked :)
[02:16] <mdke> it asks me for my passphrase at the relevant time
[02:16] <mdke> thanks theCore !
[02:16] <mdke> and LaserJock :)
[02:16] <theCore> mdke, np
[02:17] <mdke> 8.6M	debdiff.txt
[02:17] <mdke> that's the end I think
[02:17] <mdke> i've done everything
[02:19] <LaserJock> cool
[02:20] <mdke> i'll upload everything to the doc server
[02:20] <mdke> it will take blooming ages tho
[03:19] <Kingbahamut> blooming.....theres a term ive narry heard in years
[03:19] <Kingbahamut> people in america dont use 
[03:19] <Kingbahamut> it
[03:25] <LaserJock> only if we are watching British tv ;-)
[03:26] <Kingbahamut> lol
[03:26] <Kingbahamut> Scot here, I have so little taste for the Brit subculture LJ
[03:26] <Kingbahamut> =)
[03:26] <Kingbahamut> but mdke is a good guy regardless
[03:27] <LaserJock> hmm, haven't heard narry for a while either
[03:27] <Kingbahamut> lol
[03:27] <Kingbahamut> Stopped using it when I came to America 
[03:28] <Kingbahamut> Why thats the most vicious and cruel tempered rodent yer ever set eyes on 
[03:29] <LaserJock> lol
[03:29] <Kingbahamut> I am Tim
[03:29] <Kingbahamut> Tim the Enchanter 
[03:30] <Kingbahamut> First must thou remove the holy pin
[03:30] <Kingbahamut> then shall thou count to three
[03:30] <Kingbahamut> no more 
[03:30] <Kingbahamut> no less
[03:30] <Kingbahamut> three is the number thou shall count
[03:30] <Kingbahamut> and the counting of the number shall be three 
[03:30] <LaserJock> 5 is right out
[03:30] <Kingbahamut> 4 shall thou not count
[03:30] <Kingbahamut> nor 2
[03:30] <Kingbahamut> 5 is right out 
[03:30] <Kingbahamut> One Three, the 3rd number be reached 
[03:32] <LaserJock> man, I am going to laugh all night now
[03:33] <LaserJock> I love that movie
[03:33] <Kingbahamut> lol
[03:33] <Kingbahamut> so do I 
[03:33] <LaserJock> the cool thing is you just say one thing and a whole flood of laughs start
[03:34] <Kingbahamut> lol
[03:34] <Kingbahamut> no kidding
[03:34] <Kingbahamut> So if she weighs as much as a duck
[03:35] <LaserJock> BURN HER!!
[03:36] <LaserJock> She turn me into a newt
[03:36] <Kingbahamut> it got better
[03:36] <LaserJock> Well, I got better
[03:36] <Kingbahamut> well we did do the nose
[03:36] <Kingbahamut> and the hat
[03:36] <Kingbahamut> but she has got a wart
[03:36] <Kingbahamut> No no , I want to go in and face the peril
[03:36] <Kingbahamut> no
[03:37] <Kingbahamut> the peril is too perilous
[03:37] <Kingbahamut> I bet your gay
[03:37] <LaserJock> just a little peril?
[03:37] <Kingbahamut> LJ I like you already 
[03:37] <Kingbahamut> =)
[03:37] <LaserJock> You sound ok too
[03:37] <Kingbahamut> lol
[03:37] <Kingbahamut> yeah 
[03:37] <Kingbahamut> I try 
[03:37] <Kingbahamut> despite what they say about me
[03:39] <LaserJock> I haven't heard anything bad, yet ;-)
[03:40] <Kingbahamut> geeze
[03:40] <Kingbahamut> how is that possible
[03:40] <Kingbahamut> lol
[03:41] <LaserJock> well, so far I have stayed in -motu mostly
[03:41] <Kingbahamut> I think for a while
[03:41] <Kingbahamut> I was the most hated of all on the forums
[03:42] <LaserJock> that's not fun :(
[03:42] <LaserJock> nobody likes to be hated
[03:42] <Kingbahamut> I get used to it 
[03:42] <Kingbahamut> I have an opinion
[03:42] <Kingbahamut> and if others dont like it 
[03:42] <Kingbahamut> theyll get over it 
[03:42] <Kingbahamut> <----seriously and militantly anti windows
[03:43] <LaserJock> was that ^^ a problem?
[03:43] <Kingbahamut> for a number of people yes
[03:43] <Kingbahamut> I honestly see no reason for any user
[03:43] <Kingbahamut> to have to use it 
[03:43] <Kingbahamut> I dont 
[03:44] <Kingbahamut> why should someone else 
[03:44] <LaserJock> well, I am trying to get Ubuntu into university research
[03:44] <LaserJock> it is amazing how many research groups use windows
[03:44] <Kingbahamut> BioInformatics
[03:45] <Kingbahamut> I have a friend over at UGA and another at GAtech
[03:45] <Kingbahamut> that are both interested in builds of Ubuntu
[03:45] <LaserJock> I am lucky, my advisor couldn't use windows even if he wanted to
[03:45] <Kingbahamut> that can satisfy those needs
[03:45] <LaserJock> I want to use just regular Ubuntu
[03:45] <Kingbahamut> for computational analysis 
[03:45] <LaserJock> not necessarily for computational research
[03:45] <Kingbahamut> I dont think that windows can beat it 
[03:45] <Kingbahamut> but thats just an opinion
[03:46] <Kingbahamut> plus clustering is much cheaper that Mainframing
[03:46] <Kingbahamut> that alone appeals to many uni's
[03:46] <LaserJock> but for just regular scientific research 
[03:46] <Kingbahamut> windows still cant beat a decent nix/ubuntu build
[03:46] <LaserJock> well, many people will use linux for clusters and such but not for their regular machines
[03:46] <Kingbahamut> thats a barrier that needs to be broken 
[03:46] <theCore> my dad is a pro-windows guys, you should see is set of "reparing tools", i can't stop laughing at him 
[03:47] <LaserJock> that is why I started the MOTU Science team
[03:48] <LaserJock> many scientists only see linux as something to run on a cluster for computational/theoretical research 
[03:49] <LaserJock> I use it for data aquisition and publication preperation
[03:49] <LaserJock> presentations, everything
[03:49] <theCore> linux is simply great for anything
[03:49] <theCore> and it's free
[03:49] <Kingbahamut> I aggree theCore 
[03:49] <LaserJock> research groups spend well over $1000 per comp for data aquisition software
[03:50] <Kingbahamut> but to some free isnt nessecary aggreeable
[03:50] <Kingbahamut> unnessecarily so LJ
[03:50] <LaserJock> kinda, linux is just getting to where it is comperable
[03:51] <LaserJock> I write my own data aquisition programs, but there are starting to be more and more OSS alternatives
[03:52] <theCore> LabVIEW is good
[03:53] <LaserJock> yeah, that is what I am talking about
[03:53] <LaserJock> my boss says that LabVIEW is the devil
[03:53] <theCore> lol
[03:53] <LaserJock> so that means I get to write everything in C
[03:54] <LaserJock> or Fortran
[03:54] <theCore> yuck, fortran ...
[03:54] <LaserJock> I am trying to get him to let me migrate it to Python
[03:54] <LaserJock> my lab uses Fortran almost exclusively
[03:55] <LaserJock> but we don't have to do any hardcore stuff
[03:56] <LaserJock> but I am lucky because at least my boss lets me use linux
[03:56] <LaserJock> although he has started buying a lot more macs
[03:58] <theCore> macs for scientific use ?
[03:58] <LaserJock> yeah, because they can do most of the linuxy things that we do
[03:58] <theCore> mac are more for artists than scientific
[03:58] <LaserJock> but you can run Office on it
[03:59] <theCore> that true, mac os x is build on unix now
[03:59] <LaserJock> that is the only reason my boss would do it
[04:00] <LaserJock> plus it is now "fashionable" to use macs among science profs
[04:01] <theCore> i don't like this new tendence to get "fashion" computer
[04:01] <theCore> it just a way to get more disturb
[04:03] <LaserJock> yeah, I went to a national conference in August with about 20,000 chemists and virtually all the presenters had macs
[04:03] <LaserJock> if you tell Apple your a scientist at a uni and they will give you a better deal
[04:04] <theCore> lol
[04:04] <theCore> mac are so expensive
[04:04] <theCore> even if you get a rebate
[04:04] <LaserJock> well, that is what government money is for ;-)
[04:06] <theCore> at we can install ubuntu on them ;)
[04:06] <theCore> at least*
[04:07] <LaserJock> I am just going to get my boss to by me a AMD64 and save like $500 over an imac
[04:08] <theCore> and you will probably get a better and faster computer
[04:08] <LaserJock> heck yes
[04:11] <theCore> nice i found a system with ubuntu as the default OS
[04:12] <theCore> http://www.zinside.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=70
[04:13] <theCore> ubuntu is getting BIG
[04:13] <LaserJock> that is cool
[04:14] <theCore> the comp is crapy however
[04:15] <theCore> but it has ubuntu
[04:15] <theCore> B+ for me
[04:16] <LaserJock> I wouldn't turn it down
[04:17] <theCore> i would never buy a pre-build, it so easy and fun to build a custom one
[04:17] <LaserJock> yeah, but my boss won't let me build my own :(
[04:19] <theCore> does your boss let you do something ?
[04:19] <LaserJock> I can buy an imac
[04:19] <theCore> lol
[04:19] <theCore> yay!
[04:20] <LaserJock> he will let me build pretty much anything prebuilt
[04:21] <theCore> that give you some room for creativity
[04:21] <LaserJock> well, HP has got some AMD64's
[04:22] <theCore> get a Dell, HP suck
[04:23] <theCore> HP puts really bad parts in their comps
[04:23] <theCore> they cool case, though
[04:23] <theCore> they have*
[04:23] <theCore> Dell has better support too
[04:26] <LaserJock> I have bad luck with both
[04:26] <LaserJock> some of the high end Dells are ok, but they seem to have gone down hill recently
[04:27] <theCore> really?
[04:27] <LaserJock> I have and HP at home and at least 3 Dells at work, they all suck to some degree
[04:28] <LaserJock> the Dell 8300 has been pretty good though
[04:28] <theCore> i know, that why I always build custom system
[04:29] <jjesse> dell business support is good, personal support sucks
[04:29] <theCore> wtf, intel is going nuts
[04:29] <LaserJock> right, the machine I have at work right now is a personal machine I built
[04:30] <theCore> they are going to make processors with 8 cores!
[04:30] <LaserJock> jjesse: it is hard for us academics too, I think we end upin personal support
[04:30] <jjesse> LaserJock: they keep the business support in the US and personal support is outsouced to india or somethin like that
[04:31] <LaserJock> jjesse: yeah, I know ;-)
[04:32] <jjesse> grumble, migration to new as/400 has tanked, going to be here all night
[04:33] <LaserJock> what would you guys recommend for a desktop < USD$1500 ?
[04:34] <jjesse> hp
[04:34] <jjesse> if you have to go store bought
[04:35] <LaserJock> that is what I was thinking
[04:37] <LaserJock> I wish I could just build it myself though.
[04:40] <theCore> LaserJock, why your boss prohibits you from building a custom system?
[04:41] <LaserJock> theCore: because it wastes our time 
[04:41] <LaserJock> he doesn't get that I could build it in an afternoon
[04:42] <LaserJock> I spend more time dealing with the crap of trying to buy a prebuilt
[04:42] <theCore> maybe, you could buy the comp in a local computer store
[04:43] <theCore> you could get a custom system without building it ;)
[04:43] <LaserJock> maybe
[04:44] <LaserJock> It really doesn't matter suppose. I just hope he doesn't get me an imac
[04:44] <theCore> lol
[04:44] <theCore> i am sure you would get over it
[04:45] <LaserJock> he probably would get mad at me if I put Ubuntu one it, but then he doesn't have to know
[04:45] <jjesse> how would he now?
[04:45] <LaserJock> he is so old school most of the time
[04:46] <LaserJock> he would be checking out what I'm doing or something and he would be, "Wait this is brown, not silver"
[04:47] <theCore> you got a really nice boss, you know ;)
[04:47] <theCore> theme it
[04:47] <LaserJock> oh, I really like my boss. He would probably just look at me funny
[04:47] <LaserJock> I can get away with just about anything
[04:48] <LaserJock> He just doesn't like these new fangled linux distros
[04:48] <LaserJock> He is an old red hat guy. Has never used gnome or kde or much of anything gui
[04:49] <theCore> macs are gui 
[04:50] <LaserJock> yeah, but he just loads fvwm and emacs
[04:50] <LaserJock> although hes starting to come around a bit
[04:50] <LaserJock> at first he thought gnome was Windows
[04:59] <theCore> gnome doesn't look like windows at all ...
[05:00] <jjesse> grin gnome is ugly
[05:00] <theCore> i like gnome
[05:00] <LaserJock> well, he though kde was Windows to
[05:00] <LaserJock> basically, anything besides fvwm was Windows
[05:01] <LaserJock> but now that he has the mac he is better about it
[05:01] <theCore> kde look more like window
[05:01] <LaserJock> although his view of linux is from fvwm/red hat days
[05:02] <LaserJock> he is always amazed that I can pretty much do anything a Windows or mac can do and I don't have to code it myself
[05:08] <jjesse> LaserJock: im tied into IE on a lot of things
[05:13] <theCore> jjesse, like ?
[05:14] <jjesse> theCore: two programs that force me  to use activex and also NTLM authentication
[05:14] <theCore> yuck
[05:14] <jjesse> and of course Microsoft Exchange, for outlook
[05:14] <LaserJock> bummer, I feel sorry for you
[05:14] <jjesse> LaserJock: i'm a windows network admin for a living :)
[05:16] <LaserJock> oh, well that makes sense then
[05:17] <LaserJock> I'm a chemist so I am fairly free to do whatever I want
[05:17] <LaserJock> except university IT can be troublesome
[05:19] <jjesse> grin
[05:20] <jjesse> i use linux at work as often as i can
[05:21] <LaserJock> I have windows at home (for the wife) and Ubuntu at work
[05:31] <jjesse> LaserJock: wife uses windows as well
[06:04] <theCore> LaserJock, check i made ubuntu just like a mac: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/i5591
[06:08] <LaserJock> cool
[06:09] <LaserJock> I am much more into a traditional Ubuntu look though ;-)
[06:09] <theCore> me too
[06:11] <theCore> it could be cool for tricking your boss ;)
[06:13] <theCore> he would certainly be confused
[06:14] <LaserJock> yeah
[06:27] <theCore> LaserJock, did you continue thePackagingGuide?
[06:29] <LaserJock> not so much
[06:29] <LaserJock> I hope to work on it more soon, I've been doing some motu work
[06:30] <theCore> i would like to do some motu work too
[06:34] <theCore> i would like to join the MOTUScience some day, those packages gotta make my life easier when I will start my science studies
[06:35] <theCore> maybe after the Packaging Guide ...
[06:40] <LaserJock> theCore: sure
[07:01] <theCore> LaserJock, i must go
[07:01] <theCore> cya
[09:22] <Madpilot> hi robitaille
[09:23] <robitaille> hello Madpilot 
[09:24] <Madpilot> gearing up for the Christmas insanity?
[09:26] <robitaille> it's not too bad. Shopping is nearly done since we have to ship most of it to the east  
[09:27] <robitaille> And I'm taking 2 weeks off of holidays.  So it should be a relaxing time
[09:27] <Madpilot> cool - do all three kids still believe in Santa? :)
[09:28] <robitaille> The oldest is probably half and half still.  #2 is really looking forward to try to meet Santa.  And #3 doesn't really know what is christmas
[09:29] <Madpilot> heh
[09:29] <Madpilot> cool
[09:29] <robitaille> I have to say that Christmas Day is great when you have young kids
[09:30] <Madpilot> yeah, the rest of us cynics just start family arguments & such :P
[01:17] <mdke> morning
[01:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> hallo 
[01:32] <mdke> LaserJock_, it seems that KubuntuPackagingGuide is being actively maintained, perhaps you could contact the authors and work together?
[01:33] <jjesse> morning mdke
[01:33] <jjesse> mdke: still at work
[01:35] <mdke> no fucking way
[01:36] <mdke> jjesse, the overtime is clocking up huh?
[01:37] <jjesse> sure is, just wrapping things up
[01:37] <mdke> phew
[01:37] <mdke> it is night time there?
[01:37] <jjesse> starteed at 12pm est saturday and it is currently 7:30 am
[01:38] <jjesse> sunday morning
[01:38] <jjesse> card for tape drive crapped out during the restore :(
[01:38] <mdke> bloody hell
[01:39] <jjesse> the good news is that while we waited for a new card from ibm i had the chance to introduce my boss to linux and he loves it :)
[01:39] <mdke> oh awesome :)
[01:50] <mdke> bloody hell there are about 5 wireless guides on the wiki
[02:35] <jjesse> ok heding to bed have a good night 
[02:49] <mdke> jjesse, night :)
[02:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> later jjesse
[03:02] <teroedni> anyone working on alsa documentation?
[03:02] <mdke> upstream?
[03:02] <teroedni> yea or something
[03:02] <mdke> teroedni, you have to ask upstream...
[03:02] <teroedni> is there any work being done?*
[03:03] <teroedni> ahh
[03:03] <teroedni> so where are this upstream
[03:04] <mdke> http://www.alsa-project.org/
[03:04] <teroedni> now in mean in ubuntu world
[03:04] <mdke> erm
[03:04] <mdke> upstream means the project that works on it on a distro-independent basis
[03:05] <mdke> i.e. that ^
[03:05] <teroedni> well i find their wiki to bad orginased
[03:05] <mdke> for projects like ALSA, there is nothing ubuntu specific to document
[03:05] <teroedni> so there is no work and are neither any work planed for the ubuntu wiki
[03:05] <mdke> you can try and improve their wiki?
[03:06] <teroedni> so if i wrote and want to submit to ubuntu you will just send me to alsa wiki<--is that correct
[03:07] <mdke> teroedni, what do you have in mind?
[03:07] <teroedni> i am planning making an easy to understand alsa wiki
[03:07] <teroedni> preferly oin ubuntu
[03:08] <mdke> teroedni, what do you intend to write about?
[03:08] <teroedni> i will write all i can learn about the subject
[03:08] <teroedni> command how to configure etc
[03:08] <teroedni> while making it as simple as possible
[03:08] <teroedni> :)
[03:09] <mdke> if you want to write about Ubuntu, naturally you can use the Ubuntu wiki
[03:09] <teroedni> the alsa wiki is to difficult
[03:09] <mdke> but if you want to document ALSA, it would make sense to use the upstream project
[03:10] <teroedni> hmm i guess i can use all;) but im not gonna get in conflict with alsa wiki people
[03:11] <teroedni> thats what i fear that they wont like it if i make a simplify one 
[03:14] <teroedni> i already started it on gwos and i plan to submit it to the ubuntu wiki when i starts to loook good...eg is finnished enough for your wiki submition....i hope you accept it then:) 
[03:14] <teroedni> mdke wht do you think...i will be able to make the submit then
[03:14] <teroedni> i hope your not gonna turn me off then.(
[03:19] <teroedni> mdke :please what do you think??
[03:24] <mdke> teroedni, anyone can post guides on the ubuntu wiki, you don't need approval
[03:24] <mdke> teroedni, but I'm sure the alsa people will be happy too if you make a simple guide for them
[03:25] <teroedni> okay i submit to ubuntu and alsa when ready then ...Go to hear;)   
[03:25] <mdke> that way your work will not be limited to ubuntu, but all distros can benefit
[03:26] <teroedni> yea a good point there mdke:D thanks'
[04:16] <bhuvan> when's next docteam meeting ?
[04:17] <bhuvan> can we make it on dec 17, if we have not already ?
[04:30] <mdke> yeah next friday i guess
[04:35] <bhuvan> mdke, ok
[04:35] <bhuvan> time ?
[04:36] <mdke> bhuvan, not sure... 
[04:36] <bhuvan> 19:00 UTC ?
[04:36] <bhuvan> s/19/14
[04:37] <mdke> we've been rotating between 14 and 22
[04:37] <mdke> i guess 14
[04:37] <mdke> i can't make that :(
[04:37] <bhuvan> ok, i'll update the wiki page
[04:37] <bhuvan> oh ok
[04:37] <bhuvan> i do have couple of topics to discuss :)
[04:37] <mdke> ah cool
[04:37] <mdke> what?
[04:38] <bhuvan> 1) status of status pages
[04:38] <bhuvan> it's not part of make target. atleast, they are not available in doc.ubuntu.com
[04:39] <mdke> ok
[04:39] <bhuvan> 2) cleaning up unnecessary/unmaintained docs from repo
[04:40] <mdke> which?
[04:41] <bhuvan> for example ubuntu/quickguide
[04:41] <bhuvan> atleast in my opinion
[04:41] <mdke> you should post these things to the mailing list
[04:42] <bhuvan> ok, thought of discussing it in meeting
[04:42] <bhuvan> wouldn't mind discussing in mailing list
[04:43] <mdke> if you post first, then it's quicker to discuss it on the mailing list
[04:43] <mdke> mailing list/meeting
[04:43] <bhuvan> yep
[04:53] <bhuvan> mdke, it should read 14:00UTC?
[04:54] <mdke> bhuvan, i wasn't sure about what time
[04:54] <bhuvan> last time, i guess, it was 22:00UTC. so, this time it should be 14:00UTC
[04:54] <mdke> especially since last week there was no meeting
[04:55] <bhuvan> do you mean there was no meeting on dec 02 ?
[04:56] <mdke> that is correct
[04:56] <bhuvan> ok
[04:56] <mdke> it was scheduled, but no one really turned up
[04:57] <bhuvan> so, we must merge the agenda ?
[04:57] <mdke> yes, those agenda items haven't been resolved yet
[04:57] <bhuvan> ok
[05:00] <bhuvan> good night all
[07:25] <mdke> anyone home?
[07:27] <mdke> heya :)
[07:27] <dholbach> hellas
[07:27] <mdke> wanted to ask your advice
[07:27] <mdke> you see in our repo we have a "tags" section?
[07:28] <mdke> i was wondering if i should add the source to the breezy version of ubuntu-docs
[07:28] <dholbach> hmmm
[07:28] <mdke> https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/tags/
[07:28] <dholbach> i don't think matt will be happy with the 8,5M debdiff already
[07:29] <mdke> dholbach, well, I'll ask him
[07:29] <mdke> dholbach, but my question has nothing to do with that :)
[07:29] <dholbach> ah ok
[07:29] <mdke> its just archive maintenance I guess
[07:29] <dholbach> ahhh ok
[07:29] <mdke> i found it inconvenient that there was no breezy source in there when preparing the update
[07:29] <dholbach> i thought it was about adding it to the package
[07:29] <mdke> nono
[07:30] <dholbach> ah ok
[07:30] <mdke> just for the repo
[07:30] <dholbach> what is the tags thing stupposed to be?
[07:30] <mdke> i think it is for each release
[07:32] <dholbach> subversion metadata?
[07:33] <mdke> no... i think that in the past someone has just created a branch for each release
[07:33] <mdke> any views?
[07:33] <dholbach> i'm not quite sure yet, what they are needed for :)
[07:34] <mdke> i'm not 100% sure either
[07:39] <Kingbahamut> gents?
[07:40] <mdke> hello Kingbahamut 
[07:40] <Kingbahamut> http://linuxhelp.blogspot.com/
[07:40] <Kingbahamut> seems your number 3 
[07:40] <Kingbahamut> on that list capn
[07:41] <mdke> me?
[07:41] <Kingbahamut> aye
[07:41] <Kingbahamut> top 10
[07:41] <Kingbahamut> most popular ubuntu sites
[07:42] <Kingbahamut> I happen to be 6 on that list
[07:42] <mdke> i'm not on that list
[07:42] <mdke> :)
[07:42] <Kingbahamut> mdke = wiki and all its working
[07:42] <Kingbahamut> kb = The Doc and all its working 
[07:42] <mdke> not me
[07:42] <Kingbahamut> your COLLECTIVE efforts
[07:42] <Kingbahamut> when I say you, as in you everyone in this channel
[07:42] <Kingbahamut> and all
[07:43] <Kingbahamut> submitters to said documentation centre 
[07:43] <Kingbahamut> =)
[07:43] <mdke> well... the wiki is community based
[07:43] <mdke> we maintain help.ubuntu.com
[07:43] <Kingbahamut> hrmmmm
[07:43] <Kingbahamut> I didnt see it on that list 
[07:43] <Kingbahamut> help.ubuntu.com
[07:43] <mdke> it's no 2
[07:43] <Kingbahamut> ge3rf
[07:44] <Kingbahamut> goes to show im utterly blind
[07:44] <Kingbahamut> know the owner of the blog by chance?
[07:45] <mdke> nope
[07:45] <Kingbahamut> on of his links points to a jriddel?
[07:46] <mdke> ok, but i don't think that is riddell's blog
[07:47] <Kingbahamut> I assume not
[07:48] <Kingbahamut> curious about the owner 
[07:48] <mdke> dholbach, i'll ask on the mailing list, sorry to bother ya
[07:49] <dholbach> don't worry
[07:49] <dholbach> it's fine
[07:49] <dholbach> i just didn't know :)