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Nytryx_anyone awake?06:30
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freelovehow do i change the usplash?08:19
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phahello09:02
phaIs there a live CD of edubuntu?09:03
crimsunnot that I'm aware for Breezy09:04
Yagisanno, no live cd for breezy.09:06
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phaAre there plans to make one (live CD)?09:10
freeloveanyone here?09:13
freeloveim on edubuntu:)09:13
Yagisanpha: it is planned to make one for the next version09:13
Yagisanpha: but edubuntu uses a full cd when not a live version09:14
Yagisanpha: so it may be difficult for the developers to make09:14
Yagisanfreelove: yes people are here09:14
freelove:)09:15
freeloveanyone knows how i can change usplash?09:15
crimsuninstall another -artwork-usplash package, then sudo dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-$(uname -r)09:16
Yagisanthanks crimsun09:16
freelovecrimsun: thanks:).........how will i tell it to have say ubuntu or kubuntu usplash??09:17
freelovehow will it know what uspash i want:?09:17
Yagisanfreelove: try running the command09:19
freeloveYagisan: it tells me no splash image found....although ive installed kubuntu-usplash-artwork!09:26
crimsunfreelove: is this after a reboot as well?09:27
freelovecrimsun: ya...i installed that kubuntu usplash long back:)09:27
crimsunfreelove: cat /proc/cmdline09:28
freelovecrimsun: root=/dev/hdb2 ro quiet splash09:30
freelovecrimsun u there?09:36
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adashi12:04
adaswhere can i check what does edubuntu brings'12:05
adas?12:05
ograthere is a list of apps on the wiki12:05
adasi cant find it12:05
adas:\12:05
adasfound it12:06
adasthdx12:06
adasthx12:06
adasthe wiki is great12:08
adas:)12:08
ogra:)12:09
ogramhz cares for it, he'll be happy to hear :)12:09
adasi need to install edubuntu on this school12:10
adasis it possible to get cds?12:10
ograsee the http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuInstallNotes page before installing then :) 12:11
ograyes, some shops sell them, we dont have pressed ones through the ubuntu shipit system thouh12:11
ogra*though12:11
adasok thanks12:11
adasi gtg12:11
adasbreak time12:11
adas:p12:11
ogra:)12:11
adasbye12:12
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littlepaulhttp://www.ubuntuusers.de/viewtopic.php?t=19093 Feedback from Brazilia written in german01:12
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mhzhi all03:13
littlepaulmhz, some words about the remastering of edubunt cd's for chile03:15
mhzlittlepaul: yes?03:15
littlepauli mean - do you have some words about this? :)03:16
mhzlittlepaul: i may have, could you be a little more specific, please? :)03:17
mhzwhat would you like to know?03:17
littlepaulI have read the logs of the last weeks and there you mentioned this. Did you worked on the remastering?03:17
mhzOh, nope, we have not remastered anything yet for Chile. We may do it for dapper, though. So far, we are only working on some artwork ideas for light/old hardware and testing current release.03:19
littlepauldo you have enough hardware for schools in chile? this is just a general question03:20
mhzenough hardware? if you mean "modern", yes and now. Schools usually have very old hardware (Pentium I or II, 32 or 48 MB ram))03:23
mhzPrivate schools have P III or IV03:23
mhzbut about 70% of schools are in the old HW category03:24
littlepaulthis could also mean good chance for edubuntu03:24
mhzyes and nop03:27
mhzyes = need of networked env.03:27
mhzno = default config is GNOME default. Many default apps still require lots of RAM03:28
mhzetc03:28
littlepaulk03:29
mhzwe are trying to get as much info as possible from Schools, so we can know what to customize first03:29
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ogramhz, the desktop apps dont require ram on the clients at all03:30
mhzlittlepaul: we would like to design a survey/poll to ease the process but we are only 3 people here, and there's so much to do... :)03:30
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mhzogra: I know, iknow. RAM is on the server, plus each client should have minimum 48 MB03:30
ograyup03:31
mhzogra: current server in a typical School is: IBM NetFinity, Pentium III, de 265 mg Ram y un disco duro de 80 Gb03:31
ograthe latter depends on the graphics card ...03:31
mhzyup03:31
littlepaulmhz, regarding the survey - do you have allready some points?03:31
mhzon paper, littlepaul :(03:31
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littlepaul:)03:32
littlepaulmhz, are you interested to colaborate with someone from brazil?03:32
mhzogra: so, as you can see, we NEED lots of ram on the server so we can plug 20 clients to it :)03:32
mhzlittlepaul: OF COURSE!!!03:32
mhz:D03:32
littlepaulmhz, I'm sure he is also interested :)03:33
mhzlittlepaul: Edubuntu is a project for Schools03:33
littlepaulmhz, I think he will contact you in the next days03:34
mhztherefore, besides the Linux points, we work on social areas, so yes, we work with anyone who has an interest on imporving current sad IT levels03:34
mhzlittlepaul: thankz for the interest and in case Spanish is simpler for you, #edubuntu-es it available too03:34
littlepaulmhz, I understand  a "some" spanish but german would be easier for me...03:36
mhzogra: BTW, I am not complaining at all... you know it is not your fault server needs 128 RAM p/client (on good performance basis) :D03:36
mhzlittlepaul: hhmm, Ich sprecht nich deutch :(03:36
ograindeed its my fault ;) 03:36
ograi could have opted to use twm instead of gnome ;)03:36
mhzhehehe03:36
mhzthat's why we are here... to rescue those lost GNOME souls :)\03:37
mhzogra: my guess (still ignorant on how to run a good performance/needs testing) is that with WMaker, I can say 96 RAM is good per client 03:38
mhzbut 128 would rock03:38
ograi guess its less03:38
littlepaulmhz one from the german ubuntu association had the idea to collect hardware from europe and to send it e.g. to brazil; this is an interesting thought03:38
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mhzlittlepaul: indeed! Actually, I am trying to convince people in Chile to help us work on a project called RecicLab = is 2 areas -> a) Computer Lab made with recycled PC's + b) we invite a kid and his parent of a family (social risk ones) to attend a 10-day-sessions. At the end, they will know how to assmeble a PC and install Ubuntu (light version). Also, if they came to all the sessions, they get a Diploma and the PC to take it home.. it's 03:43
mhztheirs now.03:43
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mhzlittlepaul: so yes, if that persona can help us, cool!03:44
mhzand if we can help him, cool03:44
mhz:03:44
Lord_Athurhi 03:44
mhzLord_Athur: hi there03:44
mhzLord_Athur: how was your trip?03:45
Lord_Athur:D03:45
Lord_Athur#edubuntu-es03:45
littlepaulmhz this sounds very interesting; so I'll inform the guy from brazil about your work and I will talk with the german association about your project. If you have furhter information please send them via email to me03:46
mhzlittlepaul: thx. if more info is needed   www.tecnocimiento.cl/TecnocimientoSummary03:49
littlepaulok03:49
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ivanHi, i'm from Russia and probe this canal first04:45
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ivanEverebody are this?04:46
jsgotangcohiya04:46
ograso how does the probing feel ? :)04:46
ivanThanks. There are the people! Great!04:48
ogra:)04:48
jsgotangcogood morning ogra04:48
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ograhe jsgotangco 04:49
ogra*hey04:49
ivanI was the teacher and director of middle school in Russia. Now I intersting Edubuntu. 04:53
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claudehi people :)09:03
claudedoes someone know if edubuntu specific strings can be translated through rosetta?09:03
ograclaude, which ones ? 09:04
claudeby example boot messages09:04
ograthats not edubuntu specific09:04
claudesee http://wiki.ubuntu-fr.org/edubuntu/traduction09:05
claudei think this should better occur in rosetta09:05
ograerr09:06
ograthats not edubuntu09:06
ograoh, it is09:06
ogralooks a bit weird on the grey background, sorry09:07
claudewhich package contain them?09:07
ograthats in the cd build system, we completely changed for dapper ...09:08
ograbut its not edubuntu specific ... thats ubuntu default09:08
claudeso is it included in a dapper package registered in launchpad, right? 09:09
ograi have really no idea, i'm a bit astonished, sinc the edubuntu CD hasnt saying edubuntu everywhere09:09
ograerrr09:10
ograis that a livecd ? 09:10
ograwe dont offer any livecd for edubuntu09:10
claudedon't know exactly09:11
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ograsorry, but i dont speak french09:11
ograwhat do the screens say ? 09:11
claudei have to talk with Manu, which is leading that for French users09:11
ograCeci est un cederom "live" d'Edubuntu construit a partir d'Ubuntu-5.10-live-x86, par l'equipe Edubuntu-fr.09:11
ograthats not official at all09:11
ograthe guy who built that thing broke it09:11
claudeyes, i think this is a project aiming to build a live-cd based on edubuntu in French09:12
ograthats silly09:12
ograwe have a liveCD next weekend09:12
claudewhy?09:12
ograa official one09:12
claude:-P09:12
ograeven in french09:12
ograit was long announced that we build one for dapper ...09:13
claudeok, i will to talk to Manu about that...09:13
ograi'm very sad that they waste their manpower and i still do a one man show09:13
ogra(the last liveCd didnt happen because i do everything on my own and had only 3 months)09:14
ograif someone has stepped up to help, we would already have had one for breezy ...09:14
claudei understand09:14
claudei just subscribed to the new French Edubuntu mailing list09:14
ograthere is a french edubuntu mailing list ? 09:15
ograwhy the heck dont tey talk to us at all ????09:15
ograwhat a mess09:15
claudethis is a very fresh one09:15
claudei think it's not too late to add some coordination09:16
ograand why dont they work with us like the chilenian or spanish community ? 09:16
claudei told you, it's a very recent effort09:16
lucasvoogra: subscribe and write a mail :D09:16
lucasvoclaude: but couldn't ubuntu set up the list?09:17
lucasvoclaude: in that case they would have to move all the members to ubuntu09:17
claudemaybe, but the list is hosted by official French loco team09:17
claudeonly 7 members for now09:17
lucasvoogra: is there any DE-(ed)ubuntu list?09:17
lucasvoah, at least it is a official loco team...09:18
ograclaude, it cant be *that* recent if they already built a liveCD09:18
ogralucasvo, not yet09:18
ograbut i wanted to introduce one with dapper09:18
lucasvoogra: ok, good09:19
lucasvois there a list of loco teams?09:19
ograsomewhere on the wiki, yes09:20
claudeogra: i will try to learn a bit more about this team and keep you updated about it09:20
ograclaude, could you invite them to come to one of our meetings ? 09:21
ogramy french isnt good enough i think09:21
lucasvoogra: what meetings do you have?09:22
ograclaude, the meeting is every wednesday 13:00 french time 09:22
claudeogra: when will be the next one ?09:22
claudeok :)09:22
ograit would be nice if someone could sho up ...09:22
ograthanks :-D09:22
ogralucasvo, edubuntu development meeting 09:22
ogralucasvo, http://wiki.edubuntu.org/MeetingRecords09:23
lucasvoogra: development... hm, what are you talking about? is it only for coders? or as well for users?09:23
ografor everyone ...09:23
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ograif you miss something in edubuntu, thats the plac to ask for it (aside of the mailing list indeed ;) )09:24
lucasvoogra: has the mailing list a lot of traffic? (so far I only reading announce :D)09:25
ogranope, one two mails a week, sometimes more if a intresting discussion goes on09:25
ograits very ow traffic09:26
ogra*low09:26
lucasvook09:27
lucasvoogra: I can't find the date, you have your meetings...09:28
ograhttp://fridge.ubuntu.com/event09:29
ogra:)09:29
ogranote that all times are UTC09:29
ograso its +1 for germany/france09:29
lucasvogermany/france/switzerland ! :)09:30
ograoh, yes, sorry :)09:30
claudeyes, for me too :)09:30
lucasvoah, at least not in american afternoon... :)09:30
lucasvo+the 09:30
ogranope its american morning (east coast)09:31
claudelucasvo: where are you from ?09:31
ograwe have some people in maine 09:31
lucasvoclaude: Zurich 09:31
lucasvoclaude: you?09:31
ograand some in australia ... so that the best match :)09:31
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claudelucasvo: i'm in La Chaux-de-Fonds09:31
lucasvoaustralia isn't something like +10 ?09:31
lucasvoclaude: ah09:32
ograyup along this line ...09:32
lucasvoclaude: we should make edubuntu-ch09:32
lucasvoclaude: why/where are you using edubuntu?09:32
claudelucasvo: i'm not using it for now09:33
claudei'm only interested09:33
lucasvoclaude: win? debian? suse? ubuntu?09:33
claudemostly win :-((09:33
lucasvoclaude: ah09:33
claudenot at home, of course09:34
lucasvoclaude: what are you using at home?09:34
claudeguess...09:34
lucasvoclaude: ubuntu?09:34
claudeUbuntu !09:34
claude:)09:34
ogra:)09:34
lucasvois there any power management support in ubuntu?09:34
lucasvoclaude: apt-get install edubunut-server09:35
claudelucasvo: i suspect edubuntu is mainly of interest in a network (with ltsp)09:35
lucasvoclaude: yes09:36
lucasvoclaude: and it rocks!09:36
claudei hope to be able to introduce it in our network09:37
lucasvoclaude: where, at home?09:37
claudeno, at work, in a school09:38
ograclaude, not at all, edubuntu has a workstation instal option for standalone installs ...09:38
ograand the liveCD wont include any server stuff as well 09:39
ogralucasvo, how do you mean ? power managemen has always been in ubuntu09:39
lucasvoogra: lucasvo@lama:~$ sudo apm09:40
lucasvoNo APM support in kernel09:40
ograsure09:40
lucasvoogra: how can I load apm?09:40
ograjust suppress loading of acpi modules and load apm09:40
lucasvoclaude: what hw do you have at this schooL?09:40
ograbu you only want that on very ancient HW09:40
lucasvoFATAL: Error inserting acpi_cpufreq (/lib/modules/2.6.12-10-386/kernel/arch/i386/kernel/cpu/cpufreq/acpi-cpufreq.ko): No such device09:41
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lucasvohow can I load apm/acpi?09:41
ograapm is dead ...09:41
lucasvoogra: 2.4?09:41
lucasvoogra: why?09:41
ograbut if you have an old hardware which still needs it, you can use it09:41
lucasvoogra: so how can I suspend?09:42
ograbecause hardware vendors all switched to acpi since ~200009:42
claudelucasvo: we have mainly dell machines (gx240->gx280)09:42
lucasvoFATAL: Error inserting acpi_cpufreq (/lib/modules/2.6.12-10-386/kernel/arch/i386/kernel/cpu/cpufreq/acpi-cpufreq.ko): No such device09:42
lucasvoclaude: mhz, ram, hd?09:42
ograif it doesnt work out of the box, please report a bug and talk to mjg59 in #ubuntu-devel09:42
francoisbhello09:43
claudelucasvo: pIV 1.7 - 3.0 Ghz / 20-80 Gb09:43
claudelucasvo: ram 250-50009:44
lucasvoclaude: in that case workstation is much better09:44
claudeyes, but we have still some older hardware09:44
lucasvoclaude: ah, so sell the dell machines an buy a new powerfull server09:44
lucasvo:D09:45
claudelol09:45
ograyes, and buy some of these: http://disklessworkstations.com/ ;)09:45
ograthey are cool09:45
claudestill pricey for terminals09:46
claudethink they should buy under 100$09:46
claudei saw a project about that09:46
claudejust a simple box that can be placed behind the screen09:47
claudesorry don't remember url09:48
lucasvoclaude: hm, that is interesting, maybe epia?09:48
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claudelucasvo: i found it again : http://www.ndiyo.org/systems09:53
lucasvoclaude: this rocks!!09:54
lucasvocool09:54
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ograah, yeah, these guys were at the edubuntu summit09:56
lucasvobut I don't see any "buy now" button :( 09:59
ogra"The nivo is currently in demonstrator form - a fully functioning unit, but not yet available on sale. "10:00
ograi read that page hortly before hoary was released, seems there is not much progrees in their marketing ..10:01
lucasvotoo  bad10:01
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ograbut 100 english pound production costs will still result in more than 200 in enduser price10:02
lucasvoogra: yes10:02
lucasvoogra: but it isn't that much if you compare it with for e.g. epia10:02
ograhttp://www.disklessworkstations.com/cgi-bin/web/200031.html?id=Xta8hU4z thie is the same size ...10:02
ograits as big as a postcard10:03
lucasvoogra: but not that stylish :D10:03
ograits neat, i had it in my hands at ubz10:03
lucasvoogra: hm, ok10:03
ograjammcq had one with him10:03
lucasvowhen I will make an exchange year in the US will buy one there :D10:04
lucasvoor let's say, several10:04
ograindeed the metal case of the ndiyo is cooler10:04
lucasvoogra: mod it!10:04
ograhehe, yes ....10:04
ograsome colorful LEDs 10:04
lucasvolol10:04
ograand a WATERCOOLING !10:05
lucasvoogra: just put it into aquarium10:05
ograheh10:05
lucasvoogra: the pxe diskless workstations all work with edubuntu, the ones in the ltsp category10:11
ograyup10:11
lucasvobtw, is xinerama supported in ltsp? :D10:12
ograi didnt test the small ne yet10:12
ogranope10:12
ograthat might be a dapper+1 addon 10:12
lucasvoogra: why? what would one have to do to get it working/10:12
lucasvo?10:12
ograhacking the xorg autodetection a bit to generate a scond config10:12
lucasvoah10:13
lucasvoogra: and install it on image?10:13
ogra?10:13
lucasvoogra: or couldn't one just set it in the ltsp conf?10:13
ograyes, but before the xorg audodetection must support it10:13
lucasvoogra: can you change status of bugs: http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17232 < it says I should provide xlog and I did10:18
ogralucasvo, leave that to the bugowner ... daniels will change the status once he gets to the bug10:19
lucasvoogra: so daniels will even look at bugs with need info status?10:19
ograping him in -devel if you want to speed him up but dont tell (him itold you ;)10:19
lucasvoogra: ok10:20
lucasvoogra: :D10:20
ograsure, he has set the status... he wants the info10:20
lucasvoogra: this is actually not fair...10:20
lucasvoogra: so when he has the info it shouldn't be need info10:20
lucasvoI could mark it as upstream, or is this bad idea?10:20
ograyes10:20
lucasvobad?10:21
lucasvohm, daniels isn't here :(10:23
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JuHi10:55
lucasvohi Ju 10:59
Juis edubuntu translated via Rosetta ? I can find only Edubuntu Cookbook11:03
lucasvoJu: what is rosetta?11:07
Juthe webapp for ubuntu translations : https://launchpad.net/11:08
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lucasvoJu: I thought rosetta is handwriting recognition11:08
ogra_Ju, which apps in particular do you want to translate ? edubuntu and its apps are contained in ubuntu ...11:10
ogra_... so in rosetta as well11:10
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Juogra_:  the debian installer11:11
ogra_thats the ubuntu installer apart from one udeb thats ltsp related11:12
ogra_Ju, i think Kamion has the installer po files in a bazaar archive somewhere, ask him in #ubuntu-devel11:13
Juoh ok11:13
Jui'will thanks11:13
ogra_:)11:13
Juclaude just forwarded me your discussion about edubuntu-fr , I'm very sorry this project start like that...11:14
ogra_i'm happy it exists, but it would have been nice to coordinate with us :)11:15
Jusure... sorry about that, ill try to contact manu and ask him to show up here ;-)11:16
ogra_the last release we had no liveCD because i did all the work alone, a helping hand would have been nice ... 11:16
ogra_now the liveCd for dapper is at the door, so testing and helping would be appreciate ;)11:16
ogra_+d11:16
lucasvoogra_: work was worth :D11:17
ogra_(claude pointed me to the -fr live project)11:17
ogra_lucasvo, sure, but it could have been far better if we joined forces ;)11:18
ogra_but now we have a start ;)11:18
Juyep11:19
ogra_:)11:19
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