[06:30] <Nytryx_> anyone awake?
[08:19] <freelove> how do i change the usplash?
[09:02] <pha> hello
[09:03] <pha> Is there a live CD of edubuntu?
[09:04] <crimsun> not that I'm aware for Breezy
[09:06] <Yagisan> no, no live cd for breezy.
[09:10] <pha> Are there plans to make one (live CD)?
[09:13] <freelove> anyone here?
[09:13] <freelove> im on edubuntu:)
[09:13] <Yagisan> pha: it is planned to make one for the next version
[09:14] <Yagisan> pha: but edubuntu uses a full cd when not a live version
[09:14] <Yagisan> pha: so it may be difficult for the developers to make
[09:14] <Yagisan> freelove: yes people are here
[09:15] <freelove> :)
[09:15] <freelove> anyone knows how i can change usplash?
[09:16] <crimsun> install another -artwork-usplash package, then sudo dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-$(uname -r)
[09:16] <Yagisan> thanks crimsun
[09:17] <freelove> crimsun: thanks:).........how will i tell it to have say ubuntu or kubuntu usplash??
[09:17] <freelove> how will it know what uspash i want:?
[09:19] <Yagisan> freelove: try running the command
[09:26] <freelove> Yagisan: it tells me no splash image found....although ive installed kubuntu-usplash-artwork!
[09:27] <crimsun> freelove: is this after a reboot as well?
[09:27] <freelove> crimsun: ya...i installed that kubuntu usplash long back:)
[09:28] <crimsun> freelove: cat /proc/cmdline
[09:30] <freelove> crimsun: root=/dev/hdb2 ro quiet splash
[09:36] <freelove> crimsun u there?
[12:04] <adas> hi
[12:05] <adas> where can i check what does edubuntu brings'
[12:05] <adas> ?
[12:05] <ogra> there is a list of apps on the wiki
[12:05] <adas> i cant find it
[12:05] <adas> :\
[12:06] <adas> found it
[12:06] <adas> thdx
[12:06] <adas> thx
[12:08] <adas> the wiki is great
[12:08] <adas> :)
[12:09] <ogra> :)
[12:09] <ogra> mhz cares for it, he'll be happy to hear :)
[12:10] <adas> i need to install edubuntu on this school
[12:10] <adas> is it possible to get cds?
[12:11] <ogra> see the http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuInstallNotes page before installing then :) 
[12:11] <ogra> yes, some shops sell them, we dont have pressed ones through the ubuntu shipit system thouh
[12:11] <ogra> *though
[12:11] <adas> ok thanks
[12:11] <adas> i gtg
[12:11] <adas> break time
[12:11] <adas> :p
[12:11] <ogra> :)
[12:12] <adas> bye
[01:12] <littlepaul> http://www.ubuntuusers.de/viewtopic.php?t=19093 Feedback from Brazilia written in german
[03:13] <mhz> hi all
[03:15] <littlepaul> mhz, some words about the remastering of edubunt cd's for chile
[03:15] <mhz> littlepaul: yes?
[03:16] <littlepaul> i mean - do you have some words about this? :)
[03:17] <mhz> littlepaul: i may have, could you be a little more specific, please? :)
[03:17] <mhz> what would you like to know?
[03:17] <littlepaul> I have read the logs of the last weeks and there you mentioned this. Did you worked on the remastering?
[03:19] <mhz> Oh, nope, we have not remastered anything yet for Chile. We may do it for dapper, though. So far, we are only working on some artwork ideas for light/old hardware and testing current release.
[03:20] <littlepaul> do you have enough hardware for schools in chile? this is just a general question
[03:23] <mhz> enough hardware? if you mean "modern", yes and now. Schools usually have very old hardware (Pentium I or II, 32 or 48 MB ram))
[03:23] <mhz> Private schools have P III or IV
[03:24] <mhz> but about 70% of schools are in the old HW category
[03:24] <littlepaul> this could also mean good chance for edubuntu
[03:27] <mhz> yes and nop
[03:27] <mhz> yes = need of networked env.
[03:28] <mhz> no = default config is GNOME default. Many default apps still require lots of RAM
[03:28] <mhz> etc
[03:29] <littlepaul> k
[03:29] <mhz> we are trying to get as much info as possible from Schools, so we can know what to customize first
[03:30] <ogra> mhz, the desktop apps dont require ram on the clients at all
[03:30] <mhz> littlepaul: we would like to design a survey/poll to ease the process but we are only 3 people here, and there's so much to do... :)
[03:30] <mhz> ogra: I know, iknow. RAM is on the server, plus each client should have minimum 48 MB
[03:31] <ogra> yup
[03:31] <mhz> ogra: current server in a typical School is: IBM NetFinity, Pentium III, de 265 mg Ram y un disco duro de 80 Gb
[03:31] <ogra> the latter depends on the graphics card ...
[03:31] <mhz> yup
[03:31] <littlepaul> mhz, regarding the survey - do you have allready some points?
[03:31] <mhz> on paper, littlepaul :(
[03:32] <littlepaul> :)
[03:32] <littlepaul> mhz, are you interested to colaborate with someone from brazil?
[03:32] <mhz> ogra: so, as you can see, we NEED lots of ram on the server so we can plug 20 clients to it :)
[03:32] <mhz> littlepaul: OF COURSE!!!
[03:32] <mhz> :D
[03:33] <littlepaul> mhz, I'm sure he is also interested :)
[03:33] <mhz> littlepaul: Edubuntu is a project for Schools
[03:34] <littlepaul> mhz, I think he will contact you in the next days
[03:34] <mhz> therefore, besides the Linux points, we work on social areas, so yes, we work with anyone who has an interest on imporving current sad IT levels
[03:34] <mhz> littlepaul: thankz for the interest and in case Spanish is simpler for you, #edubuntu-es it available too
[03:36] <littlepaul> mhz, I understand  a "some" spanish but german would be easier for me...
[03:36] <mhz> ogra: BTW, I am not complaining at all... you know it is not your fault server needs 128 RAM p/client (on good performance basis) :D
[03:36] <mhz> littlepaul: hhmm, Ich sprecht nich deutch :(
[03:36] <ogra> indeed its my fault ;) 
[03:36] <ogra> i could have opted to use twm instead of gnome ;)
[03:36] <mhz> hehehe
[03:37] <mhz> that's why we are here... to rescue those lost GNOME souls :)\
[03:38] <mhz> ogra: my guess (still ignorant on how to run a good performance/needs testing) is that with WMaker, I can say 96 RAM is good per client 
[03:38] <mhz> but 128 would rock
[03:38] <ogra> i guess its less
[03:38] <littlepaul> mhz one from the german ubuntu association had the idea to collect hardware from europe and to send it e.g. to brazil; this is an interesting thought
[03:43] <mhz> littlepaul: indeed! Actually, I am trying to convince people in Chile to help us work on a project called RecicLab = is 2 areas -> a) Computer Lab made with recycled PC's + b) we invite a kid and his parent of a family (social risk ones) to attend a 10-day-sessions. At the end, they will know how to assmeble a PC and install Ubuntu (light version). Also, if they came to all the sessions, they get a Diploma and the PC to take it home.. it's 
[03:43] <mhz> theirs now.
[03:44] <mhz> littlepaul: so yes, if that persona can help us, cool!
[03:44] <mhz> and if we can help him, cool
[03:44] <mhz> :
[03:44] <Lord_Athur> hi 
[03:44] <mhz> Lord_Athur: hi there
[03:45] <mhz> Lord_Athur: how was your trip?
[03:45] <Lord_Athur> :D
[03:45] <Lord_Athur> #edubuntu-es
[03:46] <littlepaul> mhz this sounds very interesting; so I'll inform the guy from brazil about your work and I will talk with the german association about your project. If you have furhter information please send them via email to me
[03:49] <mhz> littlepaul: thx. if more info is needed   www.tecnocimiento.cl/TecnocimientoSummary
[03:49] <littlepaul> ok
[04:45] <ivan> Hi, i'm from Russia and probe this canal first
[04:46] <ivan> Everebody are this?
[04:46] <jsgotangco> hiya
[04:46] <ogra> so how does the probing feel ? :)
[04:48] <ivan> Thanks. There are the people! Great!
[04:48] <ogra> :)
[04:48] <jsgotangco> good morning ogra
[04:49] <ogra> he jsgotangco 
[04:49] <ogra> *hey
[04:53] <ivan> I was the teacher and director of middle school in Russia. Now I intersting Edubuntu. 
[09:03] <claude> hi people :)
[09:03] <claude> does someone know if edubuntu specific strings can be translated through rosetta?
[09:04] <ogra> claude, which ones ? 
[09:04] <claude> by example boot messages
[09:04] <ogra> thats not edubuntu specific
[09:05] <claude> see http://wiki.ubuntu-fr.org/edubuntu/traduction
[09:05] <claude> i think this should better occur in rosetta
[09:06] <ogra> err
[09:06] <ogra> thats not edubuntu
[09:06] <ogra> oh, it is
[09:07] <ogra> looks a bit weird on the grey background, sorry
[09:07] <claude> which package contain them?
[09:08] <ogra> thats in the cd build system, we completely changed for dapper ...
[09:08] <ogra> but its not edubuntu specific ... thats ubuntu default
[09:09] <claude> so is it included in a dapper package registered in launchpad, right? 
[09:09] <ogra> i have really no idea, i'm a bit astonished, sinc the edubuntu CD hasnt saying edubuntu everywhere
[09:10] <ogra> errr
[09:10] <ogra> is that a livecd ? 
[09:10] <ogra> we dont offer any livecd for edubuntu
[09:11] <claude> don't know exactly
[09:11] <ogra> sorry, but i dont speak french
[09:11] <ogra> what do the screens say ? 
[09:11] <claude> i have to talk with Manu, which is leading that for French users
[09:11] <ogra> Ceci est un cederom "live" d'Edubuntu construit a partir d'Ubuntu-5.10-live-x86, par l'equipe Edubuntu-fr.
[09:11] <ogra> thats not official at all
[09:11] <ogra> the guy who built that thing broke it
[09:12] <claude> yes, i think this is a project aiming to build a live-cd based on edubuntu in French
[09:12] <ogra> thats silly
[09:12] <ogra> we have a liveCD next weekend
[09:12] <claude> why?
[09:12] <ogra> a official one
[09:12] <claude> :-P
[09:12] <ogra> even in french
[09:13] <ogra> it was long announced that we build one for dapper ...
[09:13] <claude> ok, i will to talk to Manu about that...
[09:13] <ogra> i'm very sad that they waste their manpower and i still do a one man show
[09:14] <ogra> (the last liveCd didnt happen because i do everything on my own and had only 3 months)
[09:14] <ogra> if someone has stepped up to help, we would already have had one for breezy ...
[09:14] <claude> i understand
[09:14] <claude> i just subscribed to the new French Edubuntu mailing list
[09:15] <ogra> there is a french edubuntu mailing list ? 
[09:15] <ogra> why the heck dont tey talk to us at all ????
[09:15] <ogra> what a mess
[09:15] <claude> this is a very fresh one
[09:16] <claude> i think it's not too late to add some coordination
[09:16] <ogra> and why dont they work with us like the chilenian or spanish community ? 
[09:16] <claude> i told you, it's a very recent effort
[09:16] <lucasvo> ogra: subscribe and write a mail :D
[09:17] <lucasvo> claude: but couldn't ubuntu set up the list?
[09:17] <lucasvo> claude: in that case they would have to move all the members to ubuntu
[09:17] <claude> maybe, but the list is hosted by official French loco team
[09:17] <claude> only 7 members for now
[09:17] <lucasvo> ogra: is there any DE-(ed)ubuntu list?
[09:18] <lucasvo> ah, at least it is a official loco team...
[09:18] <ogra> claude, it cant be *that* recent if they already built a liveCD
[09:18] <ogra> lucasvo, not yet
[09:18] <ogra> but i wanted to introduce one with dapper
[09:19] <lucasvo> ogra: ok, good
[09:19] <lucasvo> is there a list of loco teams?
[09:20] <ogra> somewhere on the wiki, yes
[09:20] <claude> ogra: i will try to learn a bit more about this team and keep you updated about it
[09:21] <ogra> claude, could you invite them to come to one of our meetings ? 
[09:21] <ogra> my french isnt good enough i think
[09:22] <lucasvo> ogra: what meetings do you have?
[09:22] <ogra> claude, the meeting is every wednesday 13:00 french time 
[09:22] <claude> ogra: when will be the next one ?
[09:22] <claude> ok :)
[09:22] <ogra> it would be nice if someone could sho up ...
[09:22] <ogra> thanks :-D
[09:22] <ogra> lucasvo, edubuntu development meeting 
[09:23] <ogra> lucasvo, http://wiki.edubuntu.org/MeetingRecords
[09:23] <lucasvo> ogra: development... hm, what are you talking about? is it only for coders? or as well for users?
[09:23] <ogra> for everyone ...
[09:24] <ogra> if you miss something in edubuntu, thats the plac to ask for it (aside of the mailing list indeed ;) )
[09:25] <lucasvo> ogra: has the mailing list a lot of traffic? (so far I only reading announce :D)
[09:25] <ogra> nope, one two mails a week, sometimes more if a intresting discussion goes on
[09:26] <ogra> its very ow traffic
[09:26] <ogra> *low
[09:27] <lucasvo> ok
[09:28] <lucasvo> ogra: I can't find the date, you have your meetings...
[09:29] <ogra> http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event
[09:29] <ogra> :)
[09:29] <ogra> note that all times are UTC
[09:29] <ogra> so its +1 for germany/france
[09:30] <lucasvo> germany/france/switzerland ! :)
[09:30] <ogra> oh, yes, sorry :)
[09:30] <claude> yes, for me too :)
[09:30] <lucasvo> ah, at least not in american afternoon... :)
[09:30] <lucasvo> +the 
[09:31] <ogra> nope its american morning (east coast)
[09:31] <claude> lucasvo: where are you from ?
[09:31] <ogra> we have some people in maine 
[09:31] <lucasvo> claude: Zurich 
[09:31] <lucasvo> claude: you?
[09:31] <ogra> and some in australia ... so that the best match :)
[09:31] <claude> lucasvo: i'm in La Chaux-de-Fonds
[09:31] <lucasvo> australia isn't something like +10 ?
[09:32] <lucasvo> claude: ah
[09:32] <ogra> yup along this line ...
[09:32] <lucasvo> claude: we should make edubuntu-ch
[09:32] <lucasvo> claude: why/where are you using edubuntu?
[09:33] <claude> lucasvo: i'm not using it for now
[09:33] <claude> i'm only interested
[09:33] <lucasvo> claude: win? debian? suse? ubuntu?
[09:33] <claude> mostly win :-((
[09:33] <lucasvo> claude: ah
[09:34] <claude> not at home, of course
[09:34] <lucasvo> claude: what are you using at home?
[09:34] <claude> guess...
[09:34] <lucasvo> claude: ubuntu?
[09:34] <claude> Ubuntu !
[09:34] <claude> :)
[09:34] <ogra> :)
[09:34] <lucasvo> is there any power management support in ubuntu?
[09:35] <lucasvo> claude: apt-get install edubunut-server
[09:35] <claude> lucasvo: i suspect edubuntu is mainly of interest in a network (with ltsp)
[09:36] <lucasvo> claude: yes
[09:36] <lucasvo> claude: and it rocks!
[09:37] <claude> i hope to be able to introduce it in our network
[09:37] <lucasvo> claude: where, at home?
[09:38] <claude> no, at work, in a school
[09:38] <ogra> claude, not at all, edubuntu has a workstation instal option for standalone installs ...
[09:39] <ogra> and the liveCD wont include any server stuff as well 
[09:39] <ogra> lucasvo, how do you mean ? power managemen has always been in ubuntu
[09:40] <lucasvo> ogra: lucasvo@lama:~$ sudo apm
[09:40] <lucasvo> No APM support in kernel
[09:40] <ogra> sure
[09:40] <lucasvo> ogra: how can I load apm?
[09:40] <ogra> just suppress loading of acpi modules and load apm
[09:40] <lucasvo> claude: what hw do you have at this schooL?
[09:40] <ogra> bu you only want that on very ancient HW
[09:41] <lucasvo> FATAL: Error inserting acpi_cpufreq (/lib/modules/2.6.12-10-386/kernel/arch/i386/kernel/cpu/cpufreq/acpi-cpufreq.ko): No such device
[09:41] <lucasvo> how can I load apm/acpi?
[09:41] <ogra> apm is dead ...
[09:41] <lucasvo> ogra: 2.4?
[09:41] <lucasvo> ogra: why?
[09:41] <ogra> but if you have an old hardware which still needs it, you can use it
[09:42] <lucasvo> ogra: so how can I suspend?
[09:42] <ogra> because hardware vendors all switched to acpi since ~2000
[09:42] <claude> lucasvo: we have mainly dell machines (gx240->gx280)
[09:42] <lucasvo> FATAL: Error inserting acpi_cpufreq (/lib/modules/2.6.12-10-386/kernel/arch/i386/kernel/cpu/cpufreq/acpi-cpufreq.ko): No such device
[09:42] <lucasvo> claude: mhz, ram, hd?
[09:42] <ogra> if it doesnt work out of the box, please report a bug and talk to mjg59 in #ubuntu-devel
[09:43] <francoisb> hello
[09:43] <claude> lucasvo: pIV 1.7 - 3.0 Ghz / 20-80 Gb
[09:44] <claude> lucasvo: ram 250-500
[09:44] <lucasvo> claude: in that case workstation is much better
[09:44] <claude> yes, but we have still some older hardware
[09:44] <lucasvo> claude: ah, so sell the dell machines an buy a new powerfull server
[09:45] <lucasvo> :D
[09:45] <claude> lol
[09:45] <ogra> yes, and buy some of these: http://disklessworkstations.com/ ;)
[09:45] <ogra> they are cool
[09:46] <claude> still pricey for terminals
[09:46] <claude> think they should buy under 100$
[09:46] <claude> i saw a project about that
[09:47] <claude> just a simple box that can be placed behind the screen
[09:48] <claude> sorry don't remember url
[09:48] <lucasvo> claude: hm, that is interesting, maybe epia?
[09:53] <claude> lucasvo: i found it again : http://www.ndiyo.org/systems
[09:54] <lucasvo> claude: this rocks!!
[09:54] <lucasvo> cool
[09:56] <ogra> ah, yeah, these guys were at the edubuntu summit
[09:59] <lucasvo> but I don't see any "buy now" button :( 
[10:00] <ogra> "The nivo is currently in demonstrator form - a fully functioning unit, but not yet available on sale. "
[10:01] <ogra> i read that page hortly before hoary was released, seems there is not much progrees in their marketing ..
[10:01] <lucasvo> too  bad
[10:02] <ogra> but 100 english pound production costs will still result in more than 200 in enduser price
[10:02] <lucasvo> ogra: yes
[10:02] <lucasvo> ogra: but it isn't that much if you compare it with for e.g. epia
[10:02] <ogra> http://www.disklessworkstations.com/cgi-bin/web/200031.html?id=Xta8hU4z thie is the same size ...
[10:03] <ogra> its as big as a postcard
[10:03] <lucasvo> ogra: but not that stylish :D
[10:03] <ogra> its neat, i had it in my hands at ubz
[10:03] <lucasvo> ogra: hm, ok
[10:03] <ogra> jammcq had one with him
[10:04] <lucasvo> when I will make an exchange year in the US will buy one there :D
[10:04] <lucasvo> or let's say, several
[10:04] <ogra> indeed the metal case of the ndiyo is cooler
[10:04] <lucasvo> ogra: mod it!
[10:04] <ogra> hehe, yes ....
[10:04] <ogra> some colorful LEDs 
[10:04] <lucasvo> lol
[10:05] <ogra> and a WATERCOOLING !
[10:05] <lucasvo> ogra: just put it into aquarium
[10:05] <ogra> heh
[10:11] <lucasvo> ogra: the pxe diskless workstations all work with edubuntu, the ones in the ltsp category
[10:11] <ogra> yup
[10:12] <lucasvo> btw, is xinerama supported in ltsp? :D
[10:12] <ogra> i didnt test the small ne yet
[10:12] <ogra> nope
[10:12] <ogra> that might be a dapper+1 addon 
[10:12] <lucasvo> ogra: why? what would one have to do to get it working/
[10:12] <lucasvo> ?
[10:12] <ogra> hacking the xorg autodetection a bit to generate a scond config
[10:13] <lucasvo> ah
[10:13] <lucasvo> ogra: and install it on image?
[10:13] <ogra> ?
[10:13] <lucasvo> ogra: or couldn't one just set it in the ltsp conf?
[10:13] <ogra> yes, but before the xorg audodetection must support it
[10:18] <lucasvo> ogra: can you change status of bugs: http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17232 < it says I should provide xlog and I did
[10:19] <ogra> lucasvo, leave that to the bugowner ... daniels will change the status once he gets to the bug
[10:19] <lucasvo> ogra: so daniels will even look at bugs with need info status?
[10:19] <ogra> ping him in -devel if you want to speed him up but dont tell (him itold you ;)
[10:20] <lucasvo> ogra: ok
[10:20] <lucasvo> ogra: :D
[10:20] <ogra> sure, he has set the status... he wants the info
[10:20] <lucasvo> ogra: this is actually not fair...
[10:20] <lucasvo> ogra: so when he has the info it shouldn't be need info
[10:20] <lucasvo> I could mark it as upstream, or is this bad idea?
[10:20] <ogra> yes
[10:21] <lucasvo> bad?
[10:23] <lucasvo> hm, daniels isn't here :(
[10:46] <lucasvo> A[A
[10:46] <lucasvo> [A[A[A
[10:55] <Ju> Hi
[10:59] <lucasvo> hi Ju 
[11:03] <Ju> is edubuntu translated via Rosetta ? I can find only Edubuntu Cookbook
[11:07] <lucasvo> Ju: what is rosetta?
[11:08] <Ju> the webapp for ubuntu translations : https://launchpad.net/
[11:08] <lucasvo> Ju: I thought rosetta is handwriting recognition
[11:10] <ogra_> Ju, which apps in particular do you want to translate ? edubuntu and its apps are contained in ubuntu ...
[11:10] <ogra_> ... so in rosetta as well
[11:11] <Ju> ogra_:  the debian installer
[11:12] <ogra_> thats the ubuntu installer apart from one udeb thats ltsp related
[11:13] <ogra_> Ju, i think Kamion has the installer po files in a bazaar archive somewhere, ask him in #ubuntu-devel
[11:13] <Ju> oh ok
[11:13] <Ju> i'will thanks
[11:13] <ogra_> :)
[11:14] <Ju> claude just forwarded me your discussion about edubuntu-fr , I'm very sorry this project start like that...
[11:15] <ogra_> i'm happy it exists, but it would have been nice to coordinate with us :)
[11:16] <Ju> sure... sorry about that, ill try to contact manu and ask him to show up here ;-)
[11:16] <ogra_> the last release we had no liveCD because i did all the work alone, a helping hand would have been nice ... 
[11:16] <ogra_> now the liveCd for dapper is at the door, so testing and helping would be appreciate ;)
[11:16] <ogra_> +d
[11:17] <lucasvo> ogra_: work was worth :D
[11:17] <ogra_> (claude pointed me to the -fr live project)
[11:18] <ogra_> lucasvo, sure, but it could have been far better if we joined forces ;)
[11:18] <ogra_> but now we have a start ;)
[11:19] <Ju> yep
[11:19] <ogra_> :)