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| freelove | is ogra here? | 07:54 |
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| freelove | hi riddell:) | 07:54 |
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| viviersf | Riddell : ping | 09:41 |
| janimo | the kubuntu dapper roadmap spec mentions gnome-system-tools being used by kde network settings | 09:42 |
| janimo | is that still valid? | 09:42 |
| viviersf | i hope not | 09:47 |
| viviersf | it bloats the menus | 09:47 |
| viviersf | by putting duplicate tools in the menus | 09:47 |
| janimo | maybe system-tools-backend was meant then? | 09:47 |
| viviersf | i spoke to riddell in montreal | 09:48 |
| viviersf | thing is knetworkconf isnt working 100% | 09:48 |
| viviersf | thats prolly why | 09:48 |
| viviersf | all we want from gnome-system-tools is the network config | 09:49 |
| janimo | it would be nice to use the same backend as gnome, as that is not supposed to have gnome deps AFAIK | 09:49 |
| janimo | so will you use that for dapper? for network that is | 09:49 |
| viviersf | i dont know | 09:50 |
| viviersf | will speak to ridell | 09:50 |
| viviersf | or | 09:50 |
| viviersf | us from impi | 09:50 |
| viviersf | will prolly get some1 to make a proper kde one | 09:50 |
| viviersf | but im not sure at the point | 09:50 |
| janimo | ok thanks | 09:50 |
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| viviersf | why doesnt ksplashrc get copied on a new user | 09:54 |
| viviersf | is what im wonering at this point | 09:55 |
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| mornfall | Riddell: ping? | 12:07 |
| Riddell | mornfall: hi | 12:17 |
| mornfall | Riddell: hello | 12:21 |
| mornfall | Riddell: i've added some stuff to the wiki, but it seems to be offline atm? | 12:22 |
| mornfall | Riddell: oh wait... ssl not working again :'/ | 12:23 |
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| mornfall | Riddell: okey, i can get there again, with some hoops | 12:31 |
| mornfall | Riddell: any suggestions what should be changed? | 12:31 |
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| Riddell | seth_k|away: krusader fails to build | 01:52 |
| Diablo-D3 | heh | 01:57 |
| Diablo-D3 | mornfall: cool I guess | 01:58 |
| mornfall | Diablo-D3: relating to? wiki? | 01:58 |
| Diablo-D3 | * mornfall points out http://people.freedesktop.org/~mornfall/adept-tags.png | 01:58 |
| mornfall | Diablo-D3: ah | 01:59 |
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| seth_k|away | Riddell, um... that was why I uploaded it :P so you could look at it, remember? | 02:14 |
| seth_k|away | that's even what the REVU note says | 02:14 |
| seth_k|away | Riddell, it fails asking for a file that doesn't even exist | 02:15 |
| seth_k|away | anywhere in the source tree | 02:15 |
| seth_k|away | and it's not in a clean source tree downloaded from krusader themselves, I checked. | 02:15 |
| viviersf | Riddell : ping | 02:30 |
| Riddell | viviersf: hi | 02:58 |
| Riddell | seth_k|away: oh yes :) | 02:58 |
| viviersf | Riddell, i got a little problem | 03:02 |
| Riddell | viviersf: what's that? | 03:02 |
| viviersf | i have a ksplashrc in the impi-default-settings folder | 03:02 |
| viviersf | why wouldnt it get copied to a users home dir | 03:02 |
| viviersf | on 1st login like the rest of the files ? | 03:02 |
| Riddell | viviersf: why should it? | 03:04 |
| Riddell | where is impi-default-settings folder? | 03:04 |
| viviersf | /usr/share/impi-default-settings | 03:04 |
| viviersf | Riddell, cos i want the kde splash screen to load | 03:05 |
| viviersf | and not the kde one | 03:05 |
| Riddell | viviersf: have you edited kderc? | 03:06 |
| viviersf | yes | 03:07 |
| Riddell | viviersf: what does it say? | 03:07 |
| viviersf | it loads the rest of the impi-default-settings | 03:07 |
| viviersf | just not ksplashrc | 03:07 |
| viviersf | hold | 03:07 |
| viviersf | [Directories] | 03:07 |
| viviersf | userProfileMapFile=/etc/kde-user-profile | 03:07 |
| viviersf | [Directories-default] | 03:07 |
| viviersf | prefixes=/usr/share/impi-default-settings/kde-profile/default/ | 03:07 |
| Riddell | do you have an impi-default-settings package or something I could try? | 03:07 |
| viviersf | i can zip the folder | 03:09 |
| viviersf | and mail it to you ? | 03:10 |
| Riddell | ok | 03:10 |
| viviersf | cos i havnt got round to making a package yet | 03:10 |
| viviersf | whats your addy again ? | 03:11 |
| Riddell | jriddell@ubuntu.com | 03:11 |
| Riddell | or put it on a web server somewhere | 03:11 |
| viviersf | you got mail | 03:13 |
| Riddell | viviersf: do you have a /usr/share/apps/ksplash/Themes/Impi/* ? | 03:20 |
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| mornfall | Riddell: it *seems* i have a working status notifier | 04:07 |
| mornfall | Riddell: update notifier that is | 04:07 |
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| mornfall | Riddell: confirmed ;-) | 04:13 |
| Riddell | mornfall: you rock | 04:31 |
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| Riddell | mornfall: although not without your critics :) http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=20892 | 04:48 |
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| jjesse | wow somone is pissed :) | 04:54 |
| seth_k | haha wow | 04:56 |
| seth_k | that guy is way too into it | 04:56 |
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| raphink | woo | 05:48 |
| === raphink wonders how adept is supposed to know the version of an app installed from source... since it was installed from source! | ||
| Riddell | aah, I assumed he'd compiled a .deb from source, but reading it again probably not | 05:56 |
| \sh | Riddell: I hope this works now with pykde | 06:00 |
| \sh | Riddell: the default firefox page which I forgot to symlinking..it's /usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/khelpcenter/kubuntu/about-kubuntu/C/index.html? | 06:13 |
| Riddell | \sh: yes | 06:21 |
| \sh | Riddell: thx :) | 06:21 |
| \sh | fixing it now | 06:21 |
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| Tm_T | has someone had succesful adept install in dapper lately? | 07:18 |
| Riddell | hmm, debtags broken | 07:22 |
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| jjesse | Tm_T: i have an up to date dapper build | 07:23 |
| jjesse | do you wnat me to test something? | 07:23 |
| mornfall | Riddell: back | 07:23 |
| mornfall | Riddell: check debian-release for debtags breakage | 07:23 |
| jpetso | hi | 07:24 |
| jpetso | my KDevelop (Breezy) shows only "Custom" in the new project assistant's license selection | 07:24 |
| jpetso | any idea where the GPL, LGPL and whatever have gone? | 07:25 |
| mornfall | Riddell: what about the spec... | 07:25 |
| Riddell | mornfall: it's been passed back to mdz, hopefully he'll let us know if that's what he's after or not | 07:26 |
| Riddell | jpetso: you reported the bug earlier today? I haven't had a chance to investigate yet | 07:26 |
| jpetso | Riddell: I didn't report any bug, must've been someone else | 07:27 |
| Riddell | jpetso: ok, so you're not alone then :) | 07:27 |
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| jpetso | Riddell: thanks, at least I know it's being worked on and not solved at the time, that means I can get back to work ;-) | 07:28 |
| jpetso | mornfall: I believe you should use standard KDE icons in Adept instead of your homegrown (or copied) ones | 07:29 |
| mornfall | jpetso: that's nice belief, now go and find me some that are at least remotely usable | 07:29 |
| insanekane | i have the same bug with kdevelop ... though not dapper (breezy) | 07:29 |
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| Tm_T | Riddell: aye | 07:31 |
| Tm_T | Riddell: any news when it might be fixed? | 07:31 |
| Tm_T | cat food, best I can get -> | 07:32 |
| jpetso | mornfall: does the development version of Adept have the same actions as the Breezy one? | 07:33 |
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| jpetso | mornfall: for the toolbar actions: actions/reload, actions/button_ok, actions/top, and actions/viewmag+ | 07:35 |
| jpetso | mornfall: for Safe Upgrade: actions/up | 07:35 |
| jpetso | anything left? | 07:35 |
| mornfall | jpetso: actions/top is ugly as sin | 07:35 |
| jpetso | mornfall: that should be a question of the icon set, no? | 07:36 |
| mornfall | jpetso: by default (= crystal) | 07:36 |
| jpetso | mornfall: grrr | 07:36 |
| jpetso | mornfall: ok, then I'll wait for Oxygen | 07:36 |
| mornfall | jpetso: what about the extended/collapsed lister items? | 07:36 |
| jpetso | mornfall: these are ok with me, I don't remember any similar icons in the standard set | 07:37 |
| mornfall | jpetso: there are, ugly, again | 07:37 |
| mornfall | i just pick icons from nuvola | 07:37 |
| jpetso | mornfall: I know | 07:37 |
| mornfall | they at least go together | 07:37 |
| mornfall | and well, it's not like hard to drop in icons you want | 07:38 |
| mornfall | they are named adept_* | 07:38 |
| mornfall | apart from the extender ones | 07:38 |
| jpetso | mornfall: I don't need prettier icons (Nuvola is great), I just would've liked to have my Lila icons applied without copying all those again | 07:40 |
| jpetso | mornfall: but oh well, no big problem | 07:40 |
| mornfall | good, so let's keep status quo | 07:40 |
| jpetso | mornfall: but you promise me with Oxygen you'll switch to the standard ones | 07:41 |
| mornfall | jpetso: never | 07:41 |
| jpetso | mornfall: ;-) | 07:41 |
| mornfall | jpetso: (promise) | 07:41 |
| mornfall | jpetso: i may switch, but i suspect it's not going to be any good | 07:41 |
| jpetso | mornfall: expect an unthemed Adept with everything except Crystal | 07:41 |
| jpetso | mornfall: I mean, everything except Nuvola | 07:42 |
| mornfall | it's not like i cared | 07:42 |
| jpetso | mornfall: ah well, developers ;-) | 07:42 |
| jpetso | mornfall: pink moon's gonna get ye all | 07:43 |
| mornfall | pink moon ha? | 07:43 |
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| jpetso | mornfall, Riddell: bye, and by the way, Kubuntu is great, keep on rocking | 07:44 |
| mornfall | that was insanekane | 07:44 |
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| mornfall | insanekane: how did it go? | 07:44 |
| insanekane | mornfall: how did what go ? | 07:46 |
| mornfall | insanekane: your update notifier | 07:47 |
| insanekane | mornfall: didnt try | 07:47 |
| mornfall | insanekane: bah :) | 07:47 |
| insanekane | mornfall: :) | 07:47 |
| insanekane | mornfall: are you done with yours ? | 07:47 |
| mornfall | insanekane: it sits in my systray showing an exclamation mark ;-) | 07:47 |
| insanekane | mornfall: fantastic :) when do we get to see/use it ? :) | 07:48 |
| mornfall | insanekane: with the alpha, i guess... hopefully this week | 07:48 |
| insanekane | mornfall: cool :) good show :) | 07:48 |
| mornfall | insanekane: i'll add number of upgradable packages to the tooltip and make Quit work :D | 07:49 |
| mornfall | oh | 07:49 |
| mornfall | quit works | 07:49 |
| mornfall | interesting =) | 07:49 |
| mornfall | i can't recall fixing it ;-) | 07:50 |
| mornfall | oh no it doesn't, it just *almost* works :-) | 07:50 |
| mornfall | cool, fixed | 07:52 |
| insanekane | hehe :) | 07:53 |
| insanekane | mornfall: maybe even download a special XML file which provides teasers of what you get when you upgrade ? :) | 07:54 |
| insanekane | (and show them in the tooltip of course) | 07:54 |
| mornfall | yeah sure, but i don't think canonical has enough money to have me implement *that* :-) | 07:54 |
| mornfall | oh, okey, they probably do, they just won't ever invest it like that | 07:55 |
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| insanekane | mornfall: just a suggestion :) | 07:55 |
| insanekane | mornfall and all, gnite and keep up the great work! :) | 07:58 |
| \sh | Riddell: in panel configuration..to disable the toasters from the taskbar..there is a usability problem... | 08:37 |
| \sh | Riddell: to disable the toaster you have to uncheck the "Enable MouseOver effects" checkbox ... but this is somehow a very strange naming | 08:37 |
| Riddell | toasters? | 08:38 |
| Riddell | tooltips? | 08:38 |
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| \sh | Riddell: kde taskbar....mouse over effects...the rounded box which tells you the name the icon etc. | 09:04 |
| Riddell | what's strange about the naming? | 09:09 |
| \sh | it's wrong | 09:11 |
| \sh | i'll write something later...sitting at amus place right now :) | 09:12 |
| Riddell | give him a hug from me | 09:17 |
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| Tm_T | ...no, that wasn't what you meant | 09:17 |
| amu | ehe | 09:17 |
| Tm_T | well, I take that back | 09:18 |
| Tm_T | should make presentation about http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graphics_tablet <-devices to tomorrow | 09:19 |
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| Tonio_ | hi | 09:51 |
| Riddell | hi Tonio_ | 09:52 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: back to work | 09:52 |
| \sh | Riddell: python-kde3 is uploaded should be installable in 1h | 09:52 |
| Tonio_ | problems seem to be resolved | 09:52 |
| Riddell | \sh: woo! | 09:52 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I'm correting all packages today, and send all patches to upstreams. | 09:52 |
| Tonio_ | \sh: hi | 09:53 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: woo! | 09:53 |
| Tonio_ | ;) | 09:53 |
| \sh | Riddell: it takes a long time to compile this b*tch on an amd64 1.6 GHz | 09:54 |
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| Tonio_ | I will just have to leave paris and my job..... that's the nice trick | 09:54 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: dare I ask why? | 09:56 |
| Tonio_ | yep | 09:56 |
| Tonio_ | in fact my girlfriend and I live separated for 3 years | 09:56 |
| Tonio_ | because of her studies | 09:56 |
| Tonio_ | she's just ended and is now confirmed as a teacher | 09:57 |
| Tonio_ | problem is she has to stay there for 3 years at least | 09:57 |
| Tonio_ | and she was in the bad because she doesn't fill able to wait 2 more years | 09:57 |
| Tonio_ | that's the reason she was about to break our relationship | 09:57 |
| Tonio_ | so we discussed a lot | 09:57 |
| Tonio_ | and I must say I can understand her | 09:58 |
| Tonio_ | 3 years is already so much.... | 09:58 |
| Tonio_ | so I will have to rejoin her, because she cannot technically | 09:58 |
| Tonio_ | that means living everything :/ | 09:58 |
| Tonio_ | the good point is that we are still toogether so.... | 09:58 |
| Tonio_ | I don't blame her, but that's the reason of my three weeks silence | 09:59 |
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| Tonio_ | that's not simple decission to take, I had to stop everything and take the time to decide what to do | 09:59 |
| Tonio_ | living my flat, job and city, or loosing my future wife... | 10:00 |
| Riddell | where are you both going? | 10:00 |
| Tonio_ | I'm going in Orleans | 10:01 |
| Tonio_ | very nice city | 10:01 |
| Tonio_ | the problem is that I have to find a good job there before | 10:01 |
| Tonio_ | I have a few month to organize myself | 10:01 |
| Riddell | where is that? | 10:01 |
| Riddell | not the hurricane one? | 10:02 |
| Tonio_ | she didn't give me any pressure, except that she couldn't wait infinitly | 10:02 |
| Tonio_ | it is about 200 km from paris | 10:02 |
| Tonio_ | in the south | 10:02 |
| Tonio_ | in fact the city "new orleans" takes its name from the french city Orlans | 10:03 |
| Tonio_ | the city founders where french people from Orlans | 10:03 |
| Tonio_ | that's the trick :) | 10:03 |
| Riddell | clever | 10:03 |
| Tonio_ | so it was hard to dicide, but now i'm okay ;) | 10:04 |
| Tonio_ | anyway, I have many packages to correct and patches to email so...... go ! | 10:04 |
| Riddell | on y va! | 10:05 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: just uploaded prozilla | 10:05 |
| Tonio_ | not a kubuntu app, but very usefull in some cases | 10:05 |
| mornfall | Riddell: hmmmmmm | 10:06 |
| mornfall | Riddell: i have gettextized libapt-front | 10:07 |
| mornfall | Riddell: so what's next | 10:07 |
| Riddell | mornfall: see KubuntuPackagingGuide for changing the package to allow for .pot generation | 10:08 |
| Riddell | although I guess libapt-front will be different being non-KDE | 10:08 |
| Riddell | but rosetta will suck out the .pot file if it gets created and people will be able to translate it | 10:08 |
| Riddell | then ubuntu will include the translations in it's language-packs and you can suck back the .po files for inclusion upstream | 10:09 |
| mornfall | Riddell: no problem creating pot file | 10:09 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I've just found what appears to be a bug, but I don't know if it is a kde bug or a OOo2 one.... | 10:09 |
| Tonio_ | can you give me your advice on that point ? | 10:09 |
| Tonio_ | before reporting :) | 10:10 |
| mornfall | Riddell: i suppose i'll just content myself with generating .pot for now and i'll get it working when there's some testing po file | 10:10 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: ok | 10:12 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: open konq and browse this : system:/home | 10:13 |
| Tonio_ | then open an OOo file | 10:14 |
| Tonio_ | it doesn't open | 10:14 |
| Riddell | yeah, the .desktop files need chaning or something | 10:14 |
| Tonio_ | with /home/bla it works | 10:14 |
| Riddell | I'm not sure if that's KDE's fault or openoffice's | 10:14 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: that's my question | 10:14 |
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| Tonio_ | I've searched and all other files work correctly | 10:14 |
| Tonio_ | so I assume a problem with OOo maybe.... | 10:14 |
| allee | Tonio_: does media:/... work? | 10:15 |
| Tonio_ | with OOo fioles ? | 10:15 |
| Tonio_ | good question ;) | 10:15 |
| Tonio_ | hi allee :) | 10:15 |
| allee | Tonio_: I assume the desktop file uses %u and KDE passes system:/... | 10:15 |
| mornfall | 'lo | 10:15 |
| allee | Tonio_: ah, sorry, forgot. welcome back | 10:16 |
| Tonio_ | ;) | 10:16 |
| Tonio_ | allee: same problem with media:/ | 10:16 |
| allee | change %u to %f | 10:17 |
| Tonio_ | let me try | 10:17 |
| Tonio_ | allee: works ! | 10:18 |
| allee | Tonio_: good | 10:18 |
| Tonio_ | allee: you're impressive, really.... | 10:18 |
| Tonio_ | so there is certainly a little patch to provide | 10:19 |
| allee | Tonio_: rule only answer when your quite sure that the problem is ;) | 10:19 |
| Tonio_ | ^_^ | 10:19 |
| allee | Tonio_: hmm, there is a side effect. For non file: URL KDE makes a temp. copy and passes this for the app. | 10:26 |
| allee | Tonio_: can you check that KDE is intelligent enough to not copy to temp file if system: or media: url is passed? | 10:26 |
| allee | Tonio_: ps x should show the command line | 10:27 |
| Tonio_ | allee: I will have a look yep | 10:27 |
| Tonio_ | to be sure to understand correctly what happens | 10:27 |
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| Tonio_ | allee: are you there ? | 10:55 |
| Tonio_ | I have a little question ;) | 10:55 |
| allee | yeap | 10:55 |
| Tonio_ | k | 10:55 |
| Tonio_ | I was told it was better installing correctly the .desktop file by a patch instead of a debian rule | 10:55 |
| Tonio_ | so I wanna patch | 10:55 |
| Tonio_ | problem is that the directory is defined by a variable in a variable etc.... | 10:56 |
| Tonio_ | I have about 10 files to patch.... | 10:56 |
| Tonio_ | would you add the directory directly in the makefile.in ? | 10:56 |
| Tonio_ | or patch every file using those variables ? | 10:57 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: patch the Makefile.#am | 10:57 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: patch the Makefile.am | 10:57 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: no need to patch makefile.in ? | 10:58 |
| Riddell | crivvens no | 10:58 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: dunno, I'm not a developper ;) | 10:58 |
| Riddell | patch Makefile.am make -f Makefilem.cvs | 10:58 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: here is the problem : | 10:58 |
| Tonio_ | shelldesktopdir = $(kde_appsdir)/Utilities | 10:58 |
| Tonio_ | the variable is defined in the configure | 10:58 |
| === allee gives up. Riddel typs much faster ;) | ||
| Tonio_ | and used about everywhere | 10:58 |
| Tonio_ | so would you add the directory directly ? | 10:59 |
| Tonio_ | shelldesktopdir = /usr/share/applications/kde | 10:59 |
| Tonio_ | like this ? | 10:59 |
| allee | Tonio_: in this case just move in desktop file in rules | 10:59 |
| Tonio_ | okay | 11:00 |
| Tonio_ | and of course send an email to the upstream author | 11:00 |
| allee | Tonio_: 1) the real fix is to: check desktop that GenericName, Categories is there | 11:00 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: you want xdg_apps_DATA = foo.desktop | 11:00 |
| Riddell | in Makefile.am | 11:00 |
| allee | Tonio_: 2) send this patch to upstream | 11:00 |
| Riddell | and make sure foo.desktop includes the Categories= line | 11:01 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: already added by a patch, I always add Categories | 11:01 |
| allee | Tonio_: 3) tell upstream to use xdg_apps_DATA = <whatever>.desktop in Makefile.am | 11:02 |
| Tonio_ | k | 11:02 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: well you only need categories if you're installing it as an XDG menu file :) | 11:02 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: new that, but I didn't knew what motus are waiting for, I mean patched sources or simply cdbs rule + email to upstream | 11:03 |
| Tonio_ | I'll do the second way | 11:03 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: either is fine, second way is better since then you can give the exact patch to upstream that they should use | 11:03 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: okay | 11:04 |
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