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[07:54] <freelove> is ogra here?
[07:54] <freelove> hi riddell:)
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[09:41] <viviersf> Riddell : ping
[09:42] <janimo> the kubuntu dapper roadmap spec mentions gnome-system-tools being used by kde network settings
[09:42] <janimo> is that still valid?
[09:47] <viviersf> i hope not
[09:47] <viviersf> it bloats the menus
[09:47] <viviersf> by putting duplicate tools in the menus
[09:47] <janimo> maybe system-tools-backend was meant then?
[09:48] <viviersf> i spoke to riddell in montreal
[09:48] <viviersf> thing is knetworkconf isnt working 100%
[09:48] <viviersf> thats prolly why
[09:49] <viviersf> all we want from gnome-system-tools is the network config
[09:49] <janimo> it would be nice to use the same backend as gnome, as that is not supposed to have gnome deps AFAIK
[09:49] <janimo> so will you use that for dapper? for network that is
[09:50] <viviersf> i dont know
[09:50] <viviersf> will speak to ridell
[09:50] <viviersf> or 
[09:50] <viviersf> us from impi 
[09:50] <viviersf> will prolly get some1 to make a proper kde one
[09:50] <viviersf> but im not sure at the point
[09:50] <janimo> ok thanks
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[09:54] <viviersf> why doesnt ksplashrc get copied on a new user
[09:55] <viviersf> is what im wonering at this point
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[12:07] <mornfall> Riddell: ping?
[12:17] <Riddell> mornfall: hi
[12:21] <mornfall> Riddell: hello
[12:22] <mornfall> Riddell: i've added some stuff to the wiki, but it seems to be offline atm?
[12:23] <mornfall> Riddell: oh wait... ssl not working again :'/
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[12:31] <mornfall> Riddell: okey, i can get there again, with some hoops
[12:31] <mornfall> Riddell: any suggestions what should be changed?
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[01:52] <Riddell> seth_k|away: krusader fails to build
[01:57] <Diablo-D3> heh
[01:58] <Diablo-D3> mornfall: cool I guess
[01:58] <mornfall> Diablo-D3: relating to? wiki?
[01:58] <Diablo-D3> * mornfall points out http://people.freedesktop.org/~mornfall/adept-tags.png
[01:59] <mornfall> Diablo-D3: ah
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[02:14] <seth_k|away> Riddell, um... that was why I uploaded it :P so you could look at it, remember?
[02:14] <seth_k|away> that's even what the REVU note says
[02:15] <seth_k|away> Riddell, it fails asking for a file that doesn't even exist
[02:15] <seth_k|away> anywhere in the source tree
[02:15] <seth_k|away> and it's not in a clean source tree downloaded from krusader themselves, I checked.
[02:30] <viviersf> Riddell : ping
[02:58] <Riddell> viviersf: hi
[02:58] <Riddell> seth_k|away: oh yes :)
[03:02] <viviersf> Riddell, i got a little problem
[03:02] <Riddell> viviersf: what's that?
[03:02] <viviersf> i have a ksplashrc in the impi-default-settings folder
[03:02] <viviersf> why wouldnt it get copied to a users home dir
[03:02] <viviersf> on 1st login like the rest of the files ?
[03:04] <Riddell> viviersf: why should it?
[03:04] <Riddell> where is impi-default-settings folder?
[03:04] <viviersf> /usr/share/impi-default-settings
[03:05] <viviersf> Riddell, cos i want the kde splash screen to load
[03:05] <viviersf> and not the kde one
[03:06] <Riddell> viviersf: have you edited kderc?
[03:07] <viviersf> yes
[03:07] <Riddell> viviersf: what does it say?
[03:07] <viviersf> it loads the rest of the impi-default-settings
[03:07] <viviersf> just not ksplashrc
[03:07] <viviersf> hold
[03:07] <viviersf> [Directories] 
[03:07] <viviersf> userProfileMapFile=/etc/kde-user-profile
[03:07] <viviersf> [Directories-default] 
[03:07] <viviersf> prefixes=/usr/share/impi-default-settings/kde-profile/default/
[03:07] <Riddell> do you have an impi-default-settings package or something I could try?
[03:09] <viviersf> i can zip the folder
[03:10] <viviersf> and mail it to you ?
[03:10] <Riddell> ok
[03:10] <viviersf> cos i havnt got round to making a package yet
[03:11] <viviersf> whats your addy again ?
[03:11] <Riddell> jriddell@ubuntu.com
[03:11] <Riddell> or put it on a web server somewhere
[03:13] <viviersf> you got mail
[03:20] <Riddell> viviersf: do you have a /usr/share/apps/ksplash/Themes/Impi/* ?
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[04:07] <mornfall> Riddell: it *seems* i have a working status notifier
[04:07] <mornfall> Riddell: update notifier that is
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[04:13] <mornfall> Riddell: confirmed ;-)
[04:31] <Riddell> mornfall: you rock
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[04:48] <Riddell> mornfall: although not without your critics :)  http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=20892
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[04:54] <jjesse> wow somone is pissed :)
[04:56] <seth_k> haha wow
[04:56] <seth_k> that guy is way too into it
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[05:48] <raphink> woo
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[05:56] <Riddell> aah, I assumed he'd compiled a .deb from source, but reading it again probably not
[06:00] <\sh> Riddell: I hope this works now with pykde
[06:13] <\sh> Riddell: the default firefox page which I forgot to symlinking..it's /usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/khelpcenter/kubuntu/about-kubuntu/C/index.html?
[06:21] <Riddell> \sh: yes
[06:21] <\sh> Riddell: thx :)
[06:21] <\sh> fixing it now
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[07:18] <Tm_T> has someone had succesful adept install in dapper lately?
[07:22] <Riddell> hmm, debtags broken
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[07:23] <jjesse> Tm_T: i have an up to date dapper build
[07:23] <jjesse> do you wnat me to test something?
[07:23] <mornfall> Riddell: back
[07:23] <mornfall> Riddell: check debian-release for debtags breakage
[07:24] <jpetso> hi
[07:24] <jpetso> my KDevelop (Breezy) shows only "Custom" in the new project assistant's license selection
[07:25] <jpetso> any idea where the GPL, LGPL and whatever have gone?
[07:25] <mornfall> Riddell: what about the spec...
[07:26] <Riddell> mornfall: it's been passed back to mdz, hopefully he'll let us know if that's what he's after or not
[07:26] <Riddell> jpetso: you reported the bug earlier today?  I haven't had a chance to investigate yet
[07:27] <jpetso> Riddell: I didn't report any bug, must've been someone else
[07:27] <Riddell> jpetso: ok, so you're not alone then :)
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[07:28] <jpetso> Riddell: thanks, at least I know it's being worked on and not solved at the time, that means I can get back to work ;-)
[07:29] <jpetso> mornfall: I believe you should use standard KDE icons in Adept instead of your homegrown (or copied) ones
[07:29] <mornfall> jpetso: that's nice belief, now go and find me some that are at least remotely usable
[07:29] <insanekane> i have the same bug with kdevelop ... though not dapper (breezy)
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[07:31] <Tm_T> Riddell: aye
[07:31] <Tm_T> Riddell: any news when it might be fixed?
[07:32] <Tm_T> cat food, best I can get ->
[07:33] <jpetso> mornfall: does the development version of Adept have the same actions as the Breezy one?
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[07:35] <jpetso> mornfall: for the toolbar actions: actions/reload, actions/button_ok, actions/top, and actions/viewmag+
[07:35] <jpetso> mornfall: for Safe Upgrade: actions/up
[07:35] <jpetso> anything left?
[07:35] <mornfall> jpetso: actions/top is ugly as sin
[07:36] <jpetso> mornfall: that should be a question of the icon set, no?
[07:36] <mornfall> jpetso: by default (= crystal)
[07:36] <jpetso> mornfall: grrr
[07:36] <jpetso> mornfall: ok, then I'll wait for Oxygen
[07:36] <mornfall> jpetso: what about the extended/collapsed lister items?
[07:37] <jpetso> mornfall: these are ok with me, I don't remember any similar icons in the standard set
[07:37] <mornfall> jpetso: there are, ugly, again
[07:37] <mornfall> i just pick icons from nuvola
[07:37] <jpetso> mornfall: I know
[07:37] <mornfall> they at least go together
[07:38] <mornfall> and well, it's not like hard to drop in icons you want
[07:38] <mornfall> they are named adept_*
[07:38] <mornfall> apart from the extender ones
[07:40] <jpetso> mornfall: I don't need prettier icons (Nuvola is great), I just would've liked to have my Lila icons applied without copying all those again
[07:40] <jpetso> mornfall: but oh well, no big problem
[07:40] <mornfall> good, so let's keep status quo
[07:41] <jpetso> mornfall: but you promise me with Oxygen you'll switch to the standard ones
[07:41] <mornfall> jpetso: never
[07:41] <jpetso> mornfall: ;-)
[07:41] <mornfall> jpetso: (promise)
[07:41] <mornfall> jpetso: i may switch, but i suspect it's not going to be any good
[07:41] <jpetso> mornfall: expect an unthemed Adept with everything except Crystal
[07:42] <jpetso> mornfall: I mean, everything except Nuvola
[07:42] <mornfall> it's not like i cared
[07:42] <jpetso> mornfall: ah well, developers ;-)
[07:43] <jpetso> mornfall: pink moon's gonna get ye all
[07:43] <mornfall> pink moon ha?
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[07:44] <jpetso> mornfall, Riddell: bye, and by the way, Kubuntu is great, keep on rocking
[07:44] <mornfall> that was insanekane 
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[07:44] <mornfall> insanekane: how did it go?
[07:46] <insanekane> mornfall: how did what go ?
[07:47] <mornfall> insanekane: your update notifier
[07:47] <insanekane> mornfall: didnt try
[07:47] <mornfall> insanekane: bah :)
[07:47] <insanekane> mornfall: :)
[07:47] <insanekane> mornfall: are you done with yours ?
[07:47] <mornfall> insanekane: it sits in my systray showing an exclamation mark ;-)
[07:48] <insanekane> mornfall: fantastic :) when do we get to see/use it ? :)
[07:48] <mornfall> insanekane: with the alpha, i guess... hopefully this week
[07:48] <insanekane> mornfall: cool :) good show :)
[07:49] <mornfall> insanekane: i'll add number of upgradable packages to the tooltip and make Quit work :D
[07:49] <mornfall> oh
[07:49] <mornfall> quit works
[07:49] <mornfall> interesting =)
[07:50] <mornfall> i can't recall fixing it ;-)
[07:50] <mornfall> oh no it doesn't, it just *almost* works :-)
[07:52] <mornfall> cool, fixed
[07:53] <insanekane> hehe :)
[07:54] <insanekane> mornfall: maybe even download a special XML file which provides teasers of what you get when you upgrade ? :)
[07:54] <insanekane> (and show them in the tooltip of course) 
[07:54] <mornfall> yeah sure, but i don't think canonical has enough money to have me implement *that* :-)
[07:55] <mornfall> oh, okey, they probably do, they just won't ever invest it like that
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[07:55] <insanekane> mornfall: just a suggestion :)
[07:58] <insanekane> mornfall and all, gnite and keep up the great work! :)
[08:37] <\sh> Riddell: in panel configuration..to disable the toasters from the taskbar..there is a usability problem...
[08:37] <\sh> Riddell: to disable the toaster you have to uncheck the "Enable MouseOver effects" checkbox ... but this is somehow a very strange naming
[08:38] <Riddell> toasters?
[08:38] <Riddell> tooltips?
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[09:04] <\sh> Riddell: kde taskbar....mouse over effects...the rounded box which tells you the name the icon etc. 
[09:09] <Riddell> what's strange about the naming?
[09:11] <\sh> it's wrong
[09:12] <\sh> i'll write something later...sitting at amus place right now :)
[09:17] <Riddell> give him a hug from me
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[09:17] <Tm_T> ...no, that wasn't what you meant
[09:17] <amu> ehe
[09:18] <Tm_T> well, I take that back
[09:19] <Tm_T> should make presentation about http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graphics_tablet <-devices to tomorrow
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[09:51] <Tonio_> hi
[09:52] <Riddell> hi Tonio_ 
[09:52] <Tonio_> Riddell: back to work
[09:52] <\sh> Riddell: python-kde3 is uploaded should be installable in 1h
[09:52] <Tonio_> problems seem to be resolved
[09:52] <Riddell> \sh: woo!
[09:52] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm correting all packages today, and send all patches to upstreams.
[09:53] <Tonio_> \sh: hi
[09:53] <Riddell> Tonio_: woo!
[09:53] <Tonio_> ;)
[09:54] <\sh> Riddell: it takes a long time to compile this b*tch on an amd64 1.6 GHz
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[09:54] <Tonio_> I will just have to leave paris and my job..... that's the nice trick
[09:56] <Riddell> Tonio_: dare I ask why?
[09:56] <Tonio_> yep
[09:56] <Tonio_> in fact my girlfriend and I live separated for 3 years
[09:56] <Tonio_> because of her studies
[09:57] <Tonio_> she's just ended and is now confirmed as a teacher
[09:57] <Tonio_> problem is she has to stay there for 3 years at least
[09:57] <Tonio_> and she was in the bad because she doesn't fill able to wait 2 more years
[09:57] <Tonio_> that's the reason she was about to break our relationship
[09:57] <Tonio_> so we discussed a lot
[09:58] <Tonio_> and I must say I can understand her
[09:58] <Tonio_> 3 years is already so much....
[09:58] <Tonio_> so I will have to rejoin her, because she cannot technically
[09:58] <Tonio_> that means living everything :/
[09:58] <Tonio_> the good point is that we are still toogether so....
[09:59] <Tonio_> I don't blame her, but that's the reason of my three weeks silence
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[09:59] <Tonio_> that's not simple decission to take, I had to stop everything and take the time to decide what to do
[10:00] <Tonio_> living my flat, job and city, or loosing my future wife...
[10:00] <Riddell> where are you both going?
[10:01] <Tonio_> I'm going in Orleans
[10:01] <Tonio_> very nice city
[10:01] <Tonio_> the problem is that I have to find a good job there before
[10:01] <Tonio_> I have a few month to organize myself
[10:01] <Riddell> where is that?
[10:02] <Riddell> not the hurricane one?
[10:02] <Tonio_> she didn't give me any pressure, except that she couldn't wait infinitly
[10:02] <Tonio_> it is about 200 km from paris
[10:02] <Tonio_> in the south
[10:03] <Tonio_> in fact the city "new orleans" takes its name from the french city Orlans
[10:03] <Tonio_> the city founders where french people from Orlans
[10:03] <Tonio_> that's the trick :)
[10:03] <Riddell> clever
[10:04] <Tonio_> so it was hard to dicide, but now i'm okay ;)
[10:04] <Tonio_> anyway, I have many packages to correct and patches to email so...... go !
[10:05] <Riddell> on y va!
[10:05] <Tonio_> Riddell: just uploaded prozilla
[10:05] <Tonio_> not a kubuntu app, but very usefull in some cases
[10:06] <mornfall> Riddell: hmmmmmm
[10:07] <mornfall> Riddell: i have gettextized libapt-front
[10:07] <mornfall> Riddell: so what's next
[10:08] <Riddell> mornfall: see KubuntuPackagingGuide for changing the package to allow for .pot generation
[10:08] <Riddell> although I guess libapt-front will be different being non-KDE
[10:08] <Riddell> but rosetta will suck out the .pot file if it gets created and people will be able to translate it
[10:09] <Riddell> then ubuntu will include the translations in it's language-packs and you can suck back the .po files for inclusion upstream
[10:09] <mornfall> Riddell: no problem creating pot file
[10:09] <Tonio_> Riddell: I've just found what appears to be a bug, but I don't know if it is a kde bug or a OOo2 one....
[10:09] <Tonio_> can you give me your advice on that point ?
[10:10] <Tonio_> before reporting :)
[10:10] <mornfall> Riddell: i suppose i'll just content myself with generating .pot for now and i'll get it working when there's some testing po file
[10:12] <Riddell> Tonio_: ok
[10:13] <Tonio_> Riddell: open konq and browse this : system:/home
[10:14] <Tonio_> then open an OOo file
[10:14] <Tonio_> it doesn't open
[10:14] <Riddell> yeah, the .desktop files need chaning or something
[10:14] <Tonio_> with /home/bla it works
[10:14] <Riddell> I'm not sure if that's KDE's fault or openoffice's
[10:14] <Tonio_> Riddell: that's my question
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[10:14] <Tonio_> I've searched and all other files work correctly
[10:14] <Tonio_> so I assume a problem with OOo maybe....
[10:15] <allee> Tonio_: does media:/... work?
[10:15] <Tonio_> with OOo fioles ?
[10:15] <Tonio_> good question ;)
[10:15] <Tonio_> hi allee  :)
[10:15] <allee> Tonio_: I assume the desktop file uses %u and KDE passes system:/...
[10:15] <mornfall> 'lo
[10:16] <allee> Tonio_: ah, sorry, forgot.  welcome back
[10:16] <Tonio_> ;)
[10:16] <Tonio_> allee: same problem with media:/
[10:17] <allee> change %u to %f 
[10:17] <Tonio_> let me try
[10:18] <Tonio_> allee: works !
[10:18] <allee> Tonio_: good
[10:18] <Tonio_> allee: you're impressive, really....
[10:19] <Tonio_> so there is certainly a little patch to provide
[10:19] <allee> Tonio_: rule only answer when your quite sure that the problem is ;)
[10:19] <Tonio_> ^_^
[10:26] <allee> Tonio_: hmm, there is a side effect.  For non file: URL KDE makes a temp. copy and passes this for the app.
[10:26] <allee> Tonio_: can you check that KDE is intelligent enough to not copy to temp file if system: or media: url is passed?
[10:27] <allee> Tonio_: ps x should show the command line
[10:27] <Tonio_> allee: I will have a look yep
[10:27] <Tonio_> to be sure to understand correctly what happens
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[10:55] <Tonio_> allee: are you there ?
[10:55] <Tonio_> I have a little question ;)
[10:55] <allee> yeap
[10:55] <Tonio_> k
[10:55] <Tonio_> I was told it was better installing correctly the .desktop file by a patch instead of a debian rule
[10:55] <Tonio_> so I wanna patch
[10:56] <Tonio_> problem is that the directory is defined by a variable in a variable etc....
[10:56] <Tonio_> I have about 10 files to patch....
[10:56] <Tonio_> would you add the directory directly in the makefile.in ?
[10:57] <Tonio_> or patch every file using those variables ?
[10:57] <Riddell> Tonio_: patch the Makefile.#am
[10:57] <Riddell> Tonio_: patch the Makefile.am
[10:58] <Tonio_> Riddell: no need to patch makefile.in ?
[10:58] <Riddell> crivvens no
[10:58] <Tonio_> Riddell: dunno, I'm not a developper ;)
[10:58] <Riddell> patch Makefile.am make -f Makefilem.cvs
[10:58] <Tonio_> Riddell: here is the problem :
[10:58] <Tonio_> shelldesktopdir = $(kde_appsdir)/Utilities
[10:58] <Tonio_> the variable is defined in the configure
=== allee gives up. Riddel typs much faster ;)
[10:58] <Tonio_> and used about everywhere
[10:59] <Tonio_> so would you add the directory directly ?
[10:59] <Tonio_> shelldesktopdir = /usr/share/applications/kde
[10:59] <Tonio_> like this ?
[10:59] <allee> Tonio_: in this case just move in desktop file in rules
[11:00] <Tonio_> okay
[11:00] <Tonio_> and of course send an email to the upstream author
[11:00] <allee> Tonio_: 1) the real fix is to: check desktop that GenericName, Categories is there
[11:00] <Riddell> Tonio_: you want xdg_apps_DATA = foo.desktop
[11:00] <Riddell> in Makefile.am
[11:00] <allee> Tonio_: 2) send this patch to upstream
[11:01] <Riddell> and make sure foo.desktop includes the Categories= line
[11:01] <Tonio_> Riddell: already added by a patch, I always add Categories
[11:02] <allee> Tonio_: 3) tell upstream to use xdg_apps_DATA = <whatever>.desktop in Makefile.am
[11:02] <Tonio_> k
[11:02] <Riddell> Tonio_: well you only need categories if you're installing it as an XDG menu file :)
[11:03] <Tonio_> Riddell: new that, but I didn't knew what motus are waiting for, I mean patched sources or simply cdbs rule + email to upstream
[11:03] <Tonio_> I'll do the second way
[11:03] <Riddell> Tonio_: either is fine, second way is better since then you can give the exact patch to upstream that they should use
[11:04] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay