[12:04] <os2mac> do you have ethernet nic enabled?
[12:04] <angasule> nvm, I got cc working... except it doesn't seem to work fine, odd
[12:04] <mpm2> os2mac no, I shut it down
[12:05] <os2mac> can you see the card in ifconfig -a?
[12:05] <mpm2> os2macI don't thingk so... although I'm not sure what sit- IPv5 in IPv4 is
[12:06] <os2mac> that's not it.....
[12:06] <mpm2> I didn't think so
[12:06] <Patrick`> anyone care to fill me in on the backstory about memtest86+ versus memtest86?
[12:06] <os2mac> sounds like the card isn't being recognized...
[12:06] <os2mac> did you try your other slot?
[12:06] <Patrick`> other than different version numbers and a false claim that memtest86 hadn't updated for over 2 years, I can't choose between them
[12:07] <mpm2> os2mac yes I did
[12:07] <mpm2> os2mac could the card recognition depend upon what packages are installed or no?
[12:07] <os2mac> sounds like a pcmcia problem rather than a networking problem....
[12:08] <mpm2> os2mac I agree... it's got 2 little leds on it, neither of which is lighting up when I insert it... you think they should be illuminated don't you?
[12:09] <os2mac> yes....
[12:09] <os2mac> it should start searching as soon as you plug it in....
[12:09] <os2mac> sounds like your pcmcia is not running.
[12:12] <eXistenZ> what is the kicker panel?
[12:12] <mpm2> eXistenZ that's the dock bar in kde
[12:12] <eXistenZ> well, do you know why it might crash on logout/restart?
[12:13] <eXistenZ> it crashes for me =/
[12:13] <mpm2> not I eXistenZ; someone else perhaps...
[12:14] <Frookyo> my touchpad doesnt scroll when i scroll the right corner of my touchpad
[12:14] <eXistenZ> mpm2, where are the settings of that panel
[12:15] <mpm2> you can rightclick it and configure from there
[12:16] <mpm2> os2mac I can only guess that either my pcmcia hardware is broken, or somehow kubuntu stopped loading the right modules or whatever that enable pcmcia communication... thanks for your help
[12:20] <Frookyo> is kubuntu DEBIAN?????
[12:20] <sproingie> yes!!!!!!
[12:20] <sproingie> omg!
[12:22] <Frookyo> how can i install the kysnaptics driver??
[12:23] <Frookyo> the xorg-synaptics-driver are preinstalled but it doesn't support scrolling with the touchpad
[12:26] <slyder> i have a problem with firefox, firestarter, and xchat all vanishing/crashing whenever i switch virtual desktops, i'm pretty sure it only happens whenever i switch to an empty desktop
[12:26] <slyder> anyone have any ideas why?
[12:28] <eXistenZ> erm
[12:28] <eXistenZ> anyone available?
[12:30] <Hobbsee_away> !tell eXistenZ about ask
[12:31] <eXistenZ> after I updated to 3.5 my kicker started to crash on logout. Now I figured out it's a problem in kickerrc, when I renamed it it works fine. Can anyone have a look at it and tell me what's wrong with it? http://pastebin.com/460189
[12:32] <MCCPicky> konqueror keeps crashing
[12:43] <Darkkish_Box> hey
[12:43] <Darkkish_Box> proble
[12:43] <Darkkish_Box> m
[12:43] <Darkkish_Box> big problem
[12:44] <Darkkish_Box> any ones help woudl be apreciated
[12:45] <Darkkish_Box> :-/
[12:45] <Darkkish_Box> ok
[12:45] <Darkkish_Box> so anyways
[12:45] <Darkkish_Box> my xorg.conf file got screwed up
[12:45] <Darkkish_Box> so i deleted it
[12:45] <Darkkish_Box> and i cant rename the backup file
[12:45] <Darkkish_Box> im in knoppix right now...
[12:46] <Flying_Eagle> got root?
[12:46] <Darkkish_Box> uh...
[12:47] <Darkkish_Box> holy
[12:47] <Darkkish_Box> now i understand what that means!
[12:47] <Darkkish_Box> haha
[12:47] <Darkkish_Box> um
[12:47] <Darkkish_Box> no
[12:47] <Darkkish_Box> being in knoppix trying to edit files from kubunbu
[12:47] <Darkkish_Box> kubuntu*
[12:48] <Darkkish_Box> how do i?
[12:52] <Darkkish_Box> what is the command for "rename" in the console?
[12:52] <djk_> Darkkish_Box: rename
[12:52] <sproingie> mv
[12:52] <djk_> or that
[12:53] <sproingie> rename is a little ... odd. i think it takes its args in reverse order too
[12:53] <djk_> or just cp it with a new name. otherwise you'll delete xorg again for some odd reason
[12:53] <Darkkish_Box> mv isnt rename
[12:53] <Darkkish_Box> mv is move...
[12:55] <arrinmurr> Darkkish_Box: well, with mv you can move a file into the same directory with a new name
[12:55] <Darkkish_Box> oh
[12:55] <Darkkish_Box> tell me how
[12:55] <Darkkish_Box> please
[12:55] <djk_> Darkkish_Box:  man mv
[12:57] <Darkkish_Box> how do i get out of the manual?
[12:57] <arrinmurr> q
[12:57] <Darkkish_Box> thats right
[12:57] <Darkkish_Box> thanks
[12:58] <Darkkish_Box> knoppix@1[X11] $ rename -f xorg.conf~ xorg.conf
[12:58] <Darkkish_Box> syntax error at (eval 1) line 1, near "conf~"
[12:58] <Darkkish_Box> :-/
[12:59] <arrinmurr> mv oldname newname
[12:59] <ClayG> anyone here use mambo?
[12:59] <Darkkish_Box> root@1[X11] # mv xorg.conf~ xorg.conf
[12:59] <Darkkish_Box> mv: cannot move `xorg.conf~' to `xorg.conf': Read-only file system
[01:00] <Darkkish_Box> ?
[01:00] <Darkkish_Box> what do i do.
[01:00] <Darkkish_Box> damn knoppix sucks
[01:00] <slyder> it was a pain trying to change the permissions when i was doing the same thing
[01:01] <Darkkish_Box> well if i could just get into kubuntu
[01:01] <slyder> i had to right click and go to properties on the mounted hdd and set the permissions in there
[01:01] <Darkkish_Box> oh
[01:01] <slyder> and then after all of that it still wouldn't let me write to it until i right clicked on the hdd again and went to actions and changed the read write mode
[01:04] <kakei> how do i check my KDE version
[01:04] <Darkkish_Box> damnit
[01:04] <djk_> Darkkish_Box: mkdir /mnt/temp   then mount /dev/hda? /mnt/temp  then chroot /mnt/temp
[01:05] <randabis> breezy rocks :
[01:05] <randabis> :)
[01:05] <djk_> Darkkish_Box: then you should be able to mv xorg.conf
[01:05] <Darkkish_Box> djk_,
[01:06] <Darkkish_Box> can you even edit files in knoppix at all?
[01:06] <Darkkish_Box> or is knoppix strictly read only
[01:06] <slyder> i did it but it was difficult
[01:06] <Darkkish_Box> it wont let me change permissions with it
[01:07] <Darkkish_Box> >.<
[01:07] <kakei> how do i check my KDE version
[01:07] <djk_> Darkkish_Box: did you do what i said?
[01:07] <Darkkish_Box> ...
[01:07] <Darkkish_Box> yes
[01:07] <Darkkish_Box> :-(
[01:08] <djk_> Darkkish_Box: did you mount the proper hda?
[01:08] <djk_> and did you do it with su -
[01:08] <Darkkish_Box> mkdir: cannot create directory `/mnt/temp': Permission denied
[01:08] <Flying_Eagle> Darkkish_Box, knoppix is well as it is
[01:09] <djk_> Darkkish_Box: type su -
[01:09] <Knowerrors> Need help with usb drive in kde 3.4.3, breezy, auto mount in /media/usbdisk , but doesn't show in media:/ or on the desktop... any help?
[01:09] <Darkkish_Box> oh
[01:09] <Darkkish_Box> duh su-
[01:12] <mrj> !xmms
[01:12] <ubotu> methinks xmms is to get xmms to work in Ubuntu Hoary, set the output plugin to eSound (right-click on the XMMS window, then choose Options -> Preferences)
[01:12] <mrj> !xmms
[01:13] <Xemanth^> whats esound ? :D
[01:13] <Xemanth^> haven't ever heard
[01:13] <Darkkish_Box> am i supposed to put 'mount  dev/hda?' ormnt 'mount /dev/hda3'
[01:13] <Darkkish_Box> am i supposed to put 'mount /dev/hda?' or 'mount /dev/hda3' **
[01:13] <Xemanth^> Darkkish_Box: it depends what you want to mount ?
[01:14] <Darkkish_Box> talking to djk_
[01:14] <djk_> Darkkish_Box: of course the proper hda.. whatever your linux partition is..
[01:14] <Xemanth^> ah
[01:14] <Darkkish_Box> ok
[01:14] <Darkkish_Box> thats what i thought
[01:14] <djk_> yea but Xemanth^ said the right thing ;)
[01:14] <Darkkish_Box> but i didnt want to screw anything up worse :-p
[01:14] <Xemanth^> :)
[01:15] <Coolio10> hi
[01:16] <Darkkish_Box> djk_, mount: /dev/hda5 alreadu mounted or /mnt/temp busy
[01:16] <mrj> ! xmms
[01:16] <ubotu> [xmms]  to get xmms to work in Ubuntu Hoary, set the output plugin to eSound (right-click on the XMMS window, then choose Options -> Preferences)
[01:17] <mrj> ! xmms install
[01:17] <ubotu> mrj: No idea
[01:17] <mrj> ha
[01:17] <Darkkish_Box> lol
[01:17] <mrj> :)
[01:17] <mrj> how can i install xmms in kubuntu
[01:17] <djk_> then just chroot /dev/hda5 i guess.
[01:18] <djk_> ubotu: tell mrj about repos
[01:18] <djk_> ubotu: tell mrj about easysource
[01:18] <mrj> !repos
[01:18] <ubotu> [repos]  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 (Hoary) or http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2325 (Breezy) see also !easysource
[01:18] <simyrg> Ciao a tutti
[01:18] <djk_> ciao
[01:18] <Darkkish_Box> djk_, chroot: cannot change root directory to /dev/hda5: not a directory
[01:20] <Darkkish_Box> im going to cry.
[01:25] <Knowerrors> djk_: can ya help with usb flash disk? only shows in /media/usbdisk , not on desktop or media:/ , can't figure out how to unmount it either
[01:27] <djk_> Knowerrors: in a konsole sudo umount -l /where/it's/mounted
[01:27] <Darkkish_Box> djk_, in pm
[01:28] <Darkkish_Box> woah
[01:28] <Darkkish_Box> what happened
[01:28] <Knowerrors> ok, what about the other problem, would be nice to unmount and otherwise manage in konq?
[01:28] <Bricker> I don't see any rules about asking a question so I'm just gonna go for it. I put kubuntu CD in on my 600Mhz, 32MB RAM, 10GIG HD computer and it just keeps having all these numbers etc and at the bottom says "Kill process <numbers> debina, tail, menu, busy
[01:28] <djk_> Darkkish_Box: what happened?
[01:28] <Darkkish_Box> what do you mean
[01:28] <Darkkish_Box> what happened?
[01:28] <djk_> Knowerrors: i don't use konqueror.
[01:29] <djk_> Darkkish_Box: you said "woah, what happened" thus.. ???
[01:29] <Knowerrors> djk_: it doesn't show on desktop either...
[01:29] <Darkkish_Box>  nvm,
[01:30] <djk_> Knowerrors: mmh, no idea why it doesn't show up
[01:32] <djk_> Knowerrors: i never see my desktop ;)
[01:32] <Bricker> ah nevermind i figured it out, Live CD won't work with 32MB RAM
[01:32] <Bricker> :<
[01:32] <Darkkish_Box> 32?!
[01:33] <Bricker> I was gonna install and make 2GB swap :P
[01:33] <Darkkish_Box> where did you find a computer with 32?
[01:33] <Bricker> emachines, 600MHz, 32MB RAM, 10GB HD
[01:33] <Darkkish_Box> O.O
[01:33] <Darkkish_Box> wow
[01:33] <Bricker> yeah
[01:34] <Darkkish_Box> i didnt even know you could run operating systems on 32 mB of ram
[01:34] <Bricker> it ran fbsd but wouldnt detect my NIC so i said fuck BSD and heard kubuntu was nice
[01:34] <Bricker> i ran win2k on it :D
[01:34] <Darkkish_Box> wow
[01:34] <Bricker> yeah :P im gonna go see if I can find some spare RAM
[01:34] <Darkkish_Box> lol
[01:34] <Darkkish_Box> it probably wont fit.
[01:35] <Bricker> nah PC100 will with
[01:35] <Bricker> fit*
[01:35] <Darkkish_Box> oh
[01:35] <Bricker> what kinda typo is that! *slaps self*
[01:35] <Knowerrors> djk_: and you use kde eh?! for what :)
[01:36] <djk_> Knowerrors: amarok, k3b, krusader, opera, kpdf
[01:36] <Bricker> aha! found a spare stick of PC100, now to find out how much I have now :<
[01:36] <Bricker> probably only 64
[01:37] <Bricker> o0o 98MB
[01:37] <Bricker> I dunno how...but 98
[01:37] <Bricker> lol
[01:37] <Knowerrors> can run those on any window manager, just need the libraries
[01:37] <Knowerrors> djk_: Im just amazed you don't use konq for file manager, its the best in most peeps op
[01:38] <Bricker> omg it worked!
[01:38] <djk_> Knowerrors: try Krusader ;)
[01:39] <Knowerrors> djk_: I want one thats like the OSX filemanager...
[01:39] <Bricker> big channel, but where are all the Ops?
[01:40] <Knowerrors> think Ive tried Krusader, interesting but less features than konq, not as friendly
[01:40] <Bricker> but hey, thanks for the help all :) ttyl
[01:42] <Knowerrors> djk_: know of a file manager like the OsX one?
[01:43] <djk_> Knowerrors: i don't know hte OSX filemanager
[01:43] <djk_> the
[01:44] <dissed> one of my usb units seems to have frozen, now i cant mount it, is there any way to restart the mount service?
[01:44] <Knowerrors> djk_: it has multiple panes for file managing that line up side to side
[01:46] <djk_> Knowerrors: got a screenshot?
[01:47] <Knowerrors> no, I used it at work, don't have it at home...
[02:07] <dissed> is there any way to force an unmount?
[02:07] <Xemanth^> you have problem with cd ?
[02:08] <Xemanth^> that problem i haven't figured out yet too :(
[02:08] <Xemanth^> i mean with force switch it doesn't unmount
[02:08] <Xemanth^> but clock is here over 3 am, i go sleep ----->
[02:08] <sambagirl> is there a way to turn off the animation from kubuntu? it is to much sometimes.
[02:13] <sambagirl> nevermind
[02:29] <Coolio10> any0one alive?
[02:31] <nalioth> nope.
[02:34] <Coolio10> hey nalioth
[02:35] <nalioth> howdy
[02:37] <CaptainMorgan> anyone know how I can find out why kwifimanager and System/Administration/Network both show an active and connected status, yet when I open a browser or other net app, I get no connection.. any suggestions ?
[02:39] <mtupper> i have a really simple question...  cant you send files from Kopete???  I cant find the option anywhere!!!
[02:41] <seth_k|lappy> mtupper, just drag and drop the file
[02:41] <seth_k|lappy> I think the kuick plugin pack has a right-click menu integration thingy
[02:43] <seth_k|lappy> Only MSN file transfers work right now btw
[02:43] <mtupper> haha, so easy its no wonder I couldn't find the menu option...
[02:55] <Knowerrors> What linux windowmanager/desktops do people use here (besides kde,gnome,xfce)?
[03:25] <randabis> my laptop keyboard suddenly freezes up sometimes everything else works though anyone had this problem? anyone have suggestions to fix this? I'm using kubuntu breezy
[03:27] <CaptainMorgan> any reason why kwifimanager says im connected, strong signal, etc, and im unable to use a net app such as browser, im, IRc  ?
[03:29] <randabis> does it show you connected to an access point?
[03:29] <randabis> at connected to network:
[03:31] <_jag> woo
[03:32] <demonjester> randabis: does the keyboard lock up when plugged in, running off battery or both?
[03:33] <randabis> plugged in my battery doesn't work it's faulty
[03:33] <jager> any reason kopete 0.10.4 wouldn't be able to connect to the mn network?>
[03:33] <randabis> can't be bothered to replace it on this old laptop
[03:34] <jager> or did i just forget my passwd?  :)
[03:34] <jager> er msn network that is
[03:34] <demonjester> randabis: then it's not a power mode problem.. nvidia graphics card?
[03:40] <CaptainMorgan> randabis: access point  - yes
[03:40] <CaptainMorgan> it's unstable... going from ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff to the real access point
[03:42] <randabis> gah froze up
[03:43] <CaptainMorgan> CaptainMorgan randabis: access point  - yes
[03:43] <CaptainMorgan> CaptainMorgan it's unstable... going from ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff to the real access point
[03:43] <randabis> sorry i might have missed something
[03:43] <CaptainMorgan> switching
[03:44] <demonjester> randabis: what type of laptop and is it running an nvidia card?
[03:47] <Knowerrors> anyone here get Kcheckgmail working? won't work for me on kde 3.4.3
[03:48] <CaptainMorgan> randabis - any suggsetions?
[03:53] <CaptainMorgan> why is wifi such a pain?
[03:54] <CaptainMorgan> says it's connected.. but it's not
[04:00] <randabis> back again
[04:38] <DJ_Mer_> kubuntu!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[04:38] <DJ_Mer_> is there any way to log into the graphical root?
[04:45] <jsubl2> !root
[04:45] <ubotu> root is probably rumour has it, that root is disabled in Ubuntu, actually this means there is no password set for the root account, use sudo when you need admin access, you can read all about it on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[04:49] <bam_> anyone know of some system optimizations I can do?
[04:56] <jperry> Do I need to recompile the kernel to get sd card reader support in Kubuntu 5.10
[04:57] <bam_> my built in one works fine
[04:58] <jperry> hmm... I have an Averatec 3270 and inserting the card shows nothing in /var/log/messages
[04:58] <jperry> bam: you are using and sd card? NOT MMC card - right?
[04:58] <jperry> err an
[05:00] <bam_> yes
[05:00] <bam_> 8 in one reader
[05:01] <bam_> sd/cf/mmc/sony mem stick
[05:01] <bam_> etc...
[05:04] <jperry> ...attached via USB - right? That;s not the same as a built-in reader.
[05:04] <Insomniac-> jsubl2: will adding a password for root effectively remove the limits ubuntu comes with by default?
[05:04] <jsubl2> Insomniac-: yes.. sudo -i   then put a password on it
[05:05] <jsubl2> Insomniac-: the only real limitation is if you need to login as root.. other wise create an alias su='sudo -i'
[05:05] <bam_> no usb just built in may not be the same..
[05:06] <Insomniac-> jsubl2: well i don't really need to login as root most of the time but in cases like today where firefox used up every last bit of memory available i like to set user limits so i can still login decently without waiting several minutes
[05:07] <jperry> bam: interesting...probably not the same - what laptop do you have? Also I notice at startup dmesg is showing wbsd complaining that auto config failed "configuring manually"
[05:07] <jsubl2> Insomniac-: yeah good point
[05:07] <jperry> ...strange that - sounds automatic to me if it's trying it
[05:08] <Insomniac-> jsubl2: does linux have default limits on the amount of memory a user can use, similar to the filesystem where a portion is reserved for root?
[05:08] <jperry> that;s failed, now configuring manually
[05:08] <jsubl2> Insomniac-: not sure.. don't recall ever seeing any limits like that.
[05:09] <jsubl2> Insomniac-: you can control-alt-f1  login and kill the process.  but if all memory is gone that can be really slow and painfaul.. control-alt-backspace is another option
[05:10] <jsubl2> Insomniac-: I manually installed firefox 1.5 because of issues i had with 1.0.7
[05:10] <Insomniac-> jsubl2: didn't want to kill X.. that would also cause me to lose messenger windows and other stuff
[05:10] <jsubl2> yep.. that leaves ctl-alt-f1
[05:10] <Insomniac-> do you know which file it is that controls user limits?
[05:11] <Insomniac-> i forgot what it was called
[05:11] <jsubl2> Insomniac-: man bash would be the place to start
[05:12] <jsubl2> http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Config-HOWTO/config.html
[05:13] <jsubl2> Insomniac-: i would not put it in /etc/profile tho.  .bash_profile a better place.  unless you want root and all users limited
[05:15] <jsubl2> that is a nice doc.. config.html.. I need to go through that sometime
[05:15] <jsubl2> bedtime nn
[05:16] <Insomniac-> found it.. too bad he left
[05:17] <Insomniac-> it's /etc/security/limits.conf if anyone cares
[05:24] <ollywompus> d
[05:33] <macke> hey! i need some help please?
[05:34] <slyder> i have a problem with firefox, firestarter, and xchat all vanishing/crashing whenever i switch virtual desktops, i'm pretty sure it only happens whenever i switch to an empty desktop
[05:34] <slyder> anyone have any ideas why?
[05:35] <macke> anyone awake?
[05:35] <Sneaky_Bastard> hell no
[05:35] <Sneaky_Bastard> only sleepers here
[05:36] <macke> E: Kunde inte erhlla lset /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (11 Resursen tillflligt otillgnglig)
[05:36] <macke> E: Kunde inte lsa listkatalogen
[05:36] <macke> when i try to run apt-get i get this error: ""
[05:36] <macke> ohhh didnt work
[05:36] <macke> and waaas in swedish...
[05:37] <macke> :)
[05:54] <troy> hey, with kde3.5 installed I'm getting duplication when I insert a CD - 3.5's media dialog opens, and kubuntu's old 'mount and show' is also happening - is there a way I can disable kubuntu's old behavior?
[06:12] <arkey> hola
[06:13] <kkathman> hi arkey :)
[06:13] <arkey> escribes espaol ?
[06:14] <kkathman> !es
[06:14] <ubotu> Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #ubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[06:15] <arkey> ok
[06:16] <francolq> hello, i am using Breezy Badger. Which bittorrent client do you recommend?
[06:17] <kkathman> there should be a bittorrent proggie on the K-menu
[06:17] <kkathman> its under "Internet"
[06:17] <Insomniac-> francolq: try ktorrent
[06:32] <DJ_Mer_> can somoene help me real quick?
[06:33] <Insomniac-> nobody can help you if you don't ask a question
[06:33] <DJ_Mer_> I have two soundcards: one on-board one creative labs. I am trying to get Kubuntu to default playback to the Soundblaster. However, it seems to not work. How do I configure the SB as the default?
[06:34] <Insomniac-> good question, unfortunately for you i don't know
[06:34] <Insomniac-> you'll probably have to configure alsa
[06:34] <Insomniac-> see if alsa has a config tool or file
[06:41] <bam_> does anyone know, can you put an image in the background of konquerer's sidebar
[06:49] <ClayG> kkathman: need a domain name?
[06:55] <dissed> is there any way to run .bat files from console?
[06:57] <Insomniac-> why would you want to do a thing like that?
[06:58] <dissed> trying to run a bat file to patch an .iso with some corrections
[06:59] <Insomniac-> can't you look at the file and rewrite is as a shell script?
[06:59] <Insomniac-> it*
[07:00] <dissed> the .iso is being patched with a .xdt file, so i dont really know how to
[07:00] <Insomniac-> .xdt sounds like xdelta
[07:01] <Insomniac-> if it is you can use a linux xdelta program to do the same
[07:02] <Insomniac-> sudo apt-get install xdelta
[07:02] <Insomniac-> then look at the batch file for the parameters to xdelta, or xdelta's manpage
[07:02] <Insomniac-> it's basically a .diff file which stores the changes between the two file versions
[07:03] <Insomniac-> at any rate it's not very feasible to run .bat files on linux
[07:30] <DJ_Mer_> can anyone tell me how to get mp3 support on amarok with kubuntu?
[07:33] <Hobbsee> !mp3
[07:33] <Glin|Jol> Winamp  5.11 Stopped
[07:33] <ubotu> it has been said that mp3 is a non-free format. To enable mp3 capability, read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[07:33] <Hobbsee> !codecs
[07:33] <ubotu> Binary only codecs (such as w32codecs) can be downloaded from plf or cipherfunk, see !easysource for details on these repositories
[08:06] <anek> hi
[08:07] <anek> I have the liveCD, is there a way to install it onto hd?
[08:08] <Tm_T> anek: not much point
[08:13] <anek> Tm_T: I know... just asking, since I dont have the install CD.
[08:13] <Tm_T> anek: hmm, and you can't get one?
[08:14] <Insomniac-> i never understood why ubuntu uses 2 cds containing mostly the same
[08:15] <Tm_T> I understand it very well
[08:15] <Insomniac-> then why?
[08:15] <Tm_T> if you have installing packages in livecd, there's not much you can get into it
[08:16] <Tm_T> like, only ~300M for each
[08:16] <Tm_T> instead of whole cd for one purpose
[08:16] <Insomniac-> you don't need the actual .debs when you can just copy the rootfs to disk
[08:16] <Tm_T> that's not good idea
[08:16] <Insomniac-> why not?
[08:16] <Tm_T> what if you wan't only few packages from cd?
[08:17] <Insomniac-> it can be split into seperate images
[08:17] <Tm_T> ...
[08:17] <Insomniac-> like knoppix does with unionfs
[08:17] <Tm_T> no point
[08:17] <Tm_T> you say what you say, I like the way it is
[08:17] <Insomniac-> why not?
[08:18] <Insomniac-> i disagree... it's a waste of bandwidth and cds
[08:18] <Tm_T> and how many images you thought to include?
[08:18] <Insomniac-> 2, one as a base system and the other as the live system
[08:18] <Tm_T> no
[08:19] <Tm_T> if I like to install only one package from cd, how's that done in that case?
[08:19] <Insomniac-> you could write a script that checks which files belong to a package and copy those
[08:19] <Insomniac-> not that hard
[08:20] <Tm_T> doesn't sound a good solution
[08:21] <Tm_T> changing class room ->
[08:23] <Insomniac-> Tm_T: not ideal but neither is having 2 cds
[08:25] <anek> Live CD has a complete /var/lib/dpkg hierarchy, so it's possible to customize it later, only if it was possible to install(basically copy) it onto hd...
[08:25] <Insomniac-> that's easy
[08:26] <anek> including the boot loader..?
[08:26] <Insomniac-> sure why not?
[08:26] <Insomniac-> just create a installer script similar to the one used on the install cd
[08:27] <Insomniac-> i used to clone systems all the time by tarring the rootfs through nc and untarring at the other machine, then writing the bootloader to mbr
[08:29] <Insomniac-> this is similar only it creates the problem of installing a single package from the install cd when you don't have/want to use internet access
[08:30] <anek> I wouldn't ask any of this if I already had the instal CD...
[08:30] <Insomniac-> it's not very user friendly to new users though having to use a second package manager, that's probably why this approach was chosen
[08:38] <_scratch> does kaffeine crash on exit for anyone ?
[08:39] <Insomniac-> not here though i mainly use vlc
[08:41] <weissi> hi, is it possible to put the kubuntu installer on some floppies and get the rest via the internet (like debian's netinst)?
[08:43] <Insomniac-> machine without a cd/dvd drive?
[08:43] <weissi> yep
[08:43] <Insomniac-> i don't know whether there are premade floppies out there, but you could also netboot the machine
[08:44] <weissi> (but I have only _ONE_ machine there, so ubuntu-wiki/Installation/netboot is not usable :(-(( )
[08:44] <weissi> I don't want to netboot, I just want to netinst ;-)
[08:44] <weissi> hmm, shit
[08:44] <Insomniac-> if there are no ubuntu netinst floppies you could use the debian ones, change your sources.list and upgrade to ubuntu
[08:45] <weissi> kewl, you think that works? (change sources.list --> ubuntu --> apt-get dist-upgrade ?!? )
[08:45] <Insomniac-> yeah
[08:46] <Insomniac-> might have some minor issues but it shouldn't be too hard
[08:46] <weissi> ok, if they're "minor" thats ok,
[08:46] <Insomniac-> if you have the time to try it why not
[08:47] <Insomniac-> learn by doing :)
[08:47] <weissi> *g* the thing is: I will be able to install it anyway, but I don't want to waste sooo much time
[08:47] <Insomniac-> never done it myself but i've heard people talking about doing a debian -> ubuntu upgrade
[08:48] <weissi> cool, thanks, I'll try it :-)
[08:49] <Insomniac-> in such cases i either netboot or put in a temporary cdrom drive myself
[08:49] <Insomniac-> but that's not that simple if you have only one system
[08:50] <Insomniac-> hmm amarok is slow handling large playlists
[08:51] <weissi> correct, and I have no cd-burner ;-)
[08:52] <weissi> (is damaged)
[08:52] <weissi> Most of the time I'm using debian servers, there the installation is no problem
[08:52] <Insomniac-> weissi: cloning systems is nice and fast too
[08:53] <weissi> perhaps even a usb-mass-storage-drive boot ;-) (if the bios supports it)
[08:55] <trekkor> are there in (k)ubuntu any user-friendly apps for security (firewalling, permissions etc.)?
[08:56] <Insomniac-> probably
[08:57] <Insomniac-> apt-cache search firewall | grep script
[08:57] <Insomniac-> or are you looking for something gui based?
[09:00] <weissi> Insomniac-: I found a nearly fresh debian sarge install in my vmware, I'm just cloning it and will give your suggestion a try :-)
[09:04] <Insomniac-> gotta love vmware :)
[09:06] <weissi> yep, especially because I have to work with windows during my civil service (Zivildienst) in Germany :-)
[09:07] <Insomniac-> i used to run windows in vmware at my work
[09:07] <Insomniac-> for those few apps that couldn't be run natively
[09:07] <weissi> wow, seems to work :-)) apt-get didn't complain and downloads the correct pkgs
[09:08] <weissi> I do, too; at home. But here (during work) they gave me a notebook with windows and I'm not allowed to install linux on it, so vmware is the solution *g*
[09:09] <Insomniac-> i wonder what happened to the colinux project
[09:09] <Insomniac-> they were trying to run linux as a win32 process
[09:09] <Insomniac-> but it hasn't seen any updates for a while now
[09:10] <weissi> yeah, that's a funky one :-))
[09:11] <weissi> look at these(http://www.kefk.net/Linux/MS-Windows/Emulation/CoLinux/index.asp) screenshots, seems to work pretty well
[09:11] <Insomniac-> yeah it does.. i've tried several versions
[09:11] <Insomniac-> but i've stopped running windows
[09:12] <weissi> I didn't run it ever, I switched from MS-DOS 5.00 to linux
[09:13] <Insomniac-> i returned to running windows a few years ago because of a general lack of applications and usability but things have much improved
[09:14] <weissi> I always hated the way to interact via a mouse all the time, so I liked linux more than windows. but the lack of some apps is sometimes annoying, that's right (I own a Sony-HiMD-Player, where music-upload is only possible from win32 :-(( )
[09:14] <Insomniac-> amarok is the nicest mediaplayer i've ever used
[09:15] <bam_> how do I get kde to ask or rather autolaunch k3b on blank dvd/cd insertion?
[09:15] <weissi> I've never used it :-(
[09:16] <Insomniac-> weissi: here's a screenshot: http://bodylotion.student.utwente.nl/~insomniac/snapshot2.png
[09:18] <freelove> whats the best window manager apart from kde & gnome?
[09:18] <weissi> oh, looks nice! But I don't like the endless starting time of kde apps, if you don't use kde..
[09:18] <meglamoor> im a newbie to kubuntu, just installed it. Anyone can tell me how to run programs that i install with adept or create short cuts for them?
[09:19] <freelove> any recommendations?
[09:19] <weissi> freelove: I like ion3, but tell us, what kind of wm do you search (what features do you want/need)?
[09:19] <freelove> meglamoor: things u install with adept automatically go to the kmenu:)
[09:19] <Insomniac-> weissi: yeah kde is a bit bloated.. still i prefer usability over the most efficient way of doing things
[09:19] <meglamoor> ok
[09:20] <meglamoor> they didnt though
[09:20] <freelove> i want a window manager thats good in usabiltiy as kde:)
[09:20] <meglamoor> i just addeed firefox and a bittornado
[09:20] <freelove> yet lighter........
[09:20] <meglamoor> and i dont see them there
[09:20] <weissi> Insomniac-: I used kde, too (a long time), but now I use ion3 and I'm a lot happier ;-)
[09:21] <Insomniac-> weissi: i've tried alot of wm's but that one i've never even heard of
[09:21] <weissi> freelove: you know, that a window-manager _ONLY_ manages the windows, no desktop icons, K-menues, ... ???
[09:21] <weissi> freelove: kde is a desktop environment
[09:21] <freelove> weissi: but there are menus right?
[09:21] <weissi> freelove: no
[09:21] <freelove> ive seen it in screenshots.......like in xfce.....
[09:22] <weissi> freelove: xfce is a desktop environment, too
[09:23] <freelove> see http://enlightenment.sourceforge.net/Enlightenment/Screenshots/DR17_User_Screenshots/_previews/screenshot2.png.html
[09:23] <freelove> ok then i meant a desktop environment:)
[09:23] <weissi> freelove: that(http://www.gentoo-portage.com/Image/523)'s a window-manager
[09:24] <meglamoor> whatever it is, i just want downloaded a program called bittornado using adept
[09:24] <meglamoor> it installed it
[09:24] <meglamoor> but its nowhere to be found
[09:24] <weissi> freelove: hmm, I like WindowMaker, it's like NextStep
[09:24] <weissi> freelove: or as you told: xfce (did you try it, I didn't)
[09:25] <freelove> this is so lovely:) http://enlightenment.sourceforge.net/Enlightenment/Screenshots/DR17_User_Screenshots/_images/vandango_e17_screen.png
[09:26] <weissi> freelove: ah, you're german, too?
[09:27] <freelove> no im not german:)
[09:28] <Insomniac-> weissi: how is the debian -> ubuntu conversion going?
[09:28] <weissi> freelove: ah, so it's not you screenshot... It looks very nice, and seems to be dr17 as window-manager and some kind of menu-making program (perhaps it's a gnome panel??? )
[09:28] <weissi> Insomniac-: not yet finished, but seems to work!
[09:29] <Insomniac-> :)
[09:29] <weissi> Insomniac-: 75%
[09:29] <weissi> Guys, I have to work now, I'll come back in 90minutes :-)
[09:29] <bam_> ion3, very clean
[09:29] <weissi> bam_: yeah, rocks!
[09:29] <weissi> bye guys
[09:30] <freelove> bam_: where to get ion3? screenshots?
[09:31] <bam_> saw his screenshot from the link above
[09:31] <bam_> but kde is quite fast enough for me
[09:32] <bam_> i wonder if ion3 will play well with kde
[09:32] <Insomniac-> just set it up and you can opt to start it in kdm's login screen
[09:33] <freelove> kde aint that fast for me....kdm comes so late....it takes ages just to log out...gives an error too.....this kde 3.5.......
[09:34] <Insomniac-> kde doesn't start until you login in kdm with kde selected
[09:35] <Insomniac-> any slowness before that has nothing to do with kde
[09:36] <freelove> hmm..maybe.......
[09:36] <freelove> then with kubuntu:)
[09:36] <bam_> my boot in breezy is long yes, but once its up you leave it up
[09:36] <megla22> so you guys are saying that if i download something using adept, it will add to my kmenu automatically?
[09:37] <bam_> yes
[09:37] <Insomniac-> mostly yes
[09:37] <bam_> I use synaptic
[09:37] <megla22> would i have to refresh my kmenu?
[09:37] <megla22> because its not there :(
[09:37] <Insomniac-> some packages are not gui tools and therefore have no menu item
[09:37] <bam_> oh yea, forgot
[09:38] <freelove> megla22: type update-menus in terminal.......then u might see it......
[09:39] <bam_> aaha, didnt know that
[09:39] <freelove> megla22: if u really want a listing of all programs, gui or not, sudo apt-get install menu.......u'll get a debian menu which lists all ur programs:)
[09:39] <megla22> i typed update-menus in konsole and it says command not found
[09:39] <Insomniac-> freelove: packages or binaries?
[09:39] <freelove> update-menus
[09:40] <bam_> works here
[09:40] <freelove> megla22: but for me it works!
[09:40] <bam_> the debian menu dealie
[09:40] <freelove> Insomniac-: uhh...programs;?
[09:40] <bam_> that just adds to the kdemenu right
[09:40] <megla22> wierd, linux is so wierd... i want to understand it
[09:40] <bam_> linux is easy
[09:40] <Insomniac-> freelove: does it list all the installed packages or does it list all executable binaries in the path?
[09:41] <freelove> megla22: or wait for some time.......maybe on next boot u'll find it:)
[09:41] <slyder> i have a problem with firefox, firestarter, and xchat all vanishing/crashing whenever i switch virtual desktops, i'm pretty sure it only happens whenever i switch to an empty desktop
[09:41] <slyder> anyone have any ideas why?
[09:41] <megla22> i tried sudo apt-get install menu but it says e: Package menu has no installation candidate
[09:41] <bam_> cant believe i was sooo f-d up from windows all those years
[09:41] <megla22> nothingg comes up
[09:41] <freelove> Insomniac-: it lists all programs u can run...dunno how to explain it......
[09:41] <freelove> megla22: what did u install?
[09:41] <megla22> this is interesting :) it seems like everything is magic
[09:42] <bam_> do an apt-get update
[09:42] <megla22> i installed bittornado
[09:42] <bam_> then apt-cache search menu
[09:42] <Insomniac-> freelove: same list as hitting tab in a konsole?
[09:42] <slyder> he could try running kappfinder couldn't he
[09:42] <freelove> Insomniac-: NO.....popular programs:)
[09:43] <freelove> megla22: it will show up dont worry.....yes u can run kappfinder too
[09:43] <freelove> megla22: in kmenu.....run command>kappfinder
[09:43] <megla22> ok
[09:43] <slyder> or make his own shortcut in the menu i did that with a couple of apps bittornado might have been one of them can't remember if it showed up by itself or not
[09:44] <freelove> Insomniac-: which u dont find in gnome menu or kde menu.........like biology packages etc....just install menu....u'll see it urself:)
[09:45] <freelove> megla22: maybe when u next start ur pc it will show up........tell us if it shows up:)
[09:45] <megla22> ok
[09:45] <megla22> im gonna reboot!
[09:45] <megla22> i tried kappfinder
[09:45] <megla22> no luck
[09:45] <Insomniac-> lol why reboot?
[09:45] <Insomniac-> this isn't windows
[09:46] <megla22> that swhat i thought
[09:46] <freelove> megla22: so desperate!
[09:46] <megla22> thats the whole point of linux right? i dont want to reboot :(
[09:46] <bam_> hehe, I still have to tell myself dont reboot, just fix it
[09:46] <trekkor> Insomniac-: sorry. i was afk. preferably gui-based, but not necessarily. i just want it to be straightforward and to integrate more than one security issues.
[09:46] <bam_> and its faster
[09:47] <Insomniac-> trekkor: apt-cache search firewall | grep -i gui
[09:47] <freelove> megla22: try this run command>bittornado
[09:48] <Insomniac-> freelove: bittornado starts with btdownload-gui or something like that
[09:48] <trekkor> i am a mandriva user and i plan to migrate to kubuntu. the only thing that keeps me with mandriva is draksec, a five-security levels security tool
[09:48] <Insomniac-> i've removed it so i'm not sure
[09:48] <freelove> megla22: reboot would be nice:) if ur toooooooo desperate!
[09:49] <Insomniac-> trekkor: i don't know of any integrated solutions but you should be able to find replacements, or, you could try installing that program on kubuntu
[09:49] <megla22> k
[09:49] <Insomniac-> freelove: rebooting is for kernel upgrades ;)
[09:50] <trekkor> Insomniac-: thank you
[09:50] <slyder> could he just try logging out and then back in
[09:51] <Insomniac-> still a rather stupid way to update a menu
[09:51] <Insomniac-> i've stopped using the kde menu
[09:51] <Insomniac-> it's read only here, can't add or remove anything
[09:51] <Insomniac-> and i can't find the cause
[09:52] <megla22> i just rebootedd and its not there
[09:52] <slyder> add it manually i think that's what i had to end up doing
[09:52] <megla22> the thing that i dont get is, why have a good system of downloading packages when it is so convoluted where they go
[09:53] <megla22> i could just run the executable file, but i cant even find that, i have no idea where it goes. :) i need a class on linux
[09:53] <Insomniac-> megla22: open a konsole
[09:53] <Insomniac-> type bt and hit tab
[09:53] <Insomniac-> it'll try to complete the command
[09:53] <Insomniac-> and show you all commands starting with bt
[09:53] <Insomniac-> it's called btdownload-gui or something like that
[09:53] <slyder> it's probably in bin folder megla22
[09:54] <freelove> megla22: now i got it!!!!!! bittornado is a commandline tool!!! install bittornado gui!!!!!!!!
[09:54] <freelove> ??
[09:54] <Insomniac-> installing the gui would help too ;)
[09:55] <megla22> ok
[09:55] <slyder> yea the gui helps mine is in /usr/bin/ and i installed it thru adept
[09:55] <slyder> so in case you need to locate the files
[09:59] <freelove> in kopete cant i send an im to someone whos not in my contacts list?????/
[09:59] <freelove> megla22: u can also try ktorrent...its better i guess
[10:00] <Insomniac-> freelove: why not add them first?
[10:01] <freelove> Insomniac-: dont like adding everyone in a chat room! boy gaim is so much better:)
[10:01] <Insomniac-> oh
[10:01] <Insomniac-> i don't use kopete for irc
[10:02] <freelove> i meant yahoo chatrooms
[10:02] <freelove> i only use konv for irc:)
[10:03] <Insomniac-> oh well ask the developers to add it
[10:03] <slyder> i'd like to use xchat for irc if i could find a way to keep it from crashing when i change desktops
[10:03] <Insomniac-> kopete is far from 1.0 last time i checked
[10:03] <Insomniac-> i stick with irssi even in X
[10:04] <Insomniac-> that way i can attach/detach whereever i am
[10:05] <IULIUS23ro> hello what do i have to install in Kubuntu to have a utility like partition magic?
[10:05] <Insomniac-> qtparted
[10:06] <Insomniac-> or gparted.. or just parted
[10:06] <IULIUS23ro> has a gui interface?
[10:06] <Insomniac-> qtparted and gparted are gui frontends to parted
[10:06] <IULIUS23ro> ty
[10:07] <slyder> alright guess i'm gonna just boot back into windows later guys
[10:07] <Insomniac-> don't do it! ;)
[10:08] <slyder> heh gonna have to been trying for 2 days to get help and can't plus gotta fire up newsleecher
[10:08] <IULIUS23ro> :))
[10:08] <slyder> i've yet to find a news reader that can compare to it on linux
[10:08] <Insomniac-> tin?
[10:08] <Insomniac-> knews?
[10:08] <IULIUS23ro> i have firestarter as a firewall
[10:09] <IULIUS23ro> what ports i have to open
[10:09] <merlino> I love you.
[10:09] <merlino> all of you, LOVE
[10:09] <slyder> i've heard of both of those but from what i read on them they can't do what i'm lookin for
[10:09] <IULIUS23ro> to have a dc++ fullly working
[10:09] <Insomniac-> slyder: are you looking for a general news client or one to download binaries?
[10:09] <slyder> download binaries
[10:10] <Insomniac-> i don't know of one but i can't imagine there is none
[10:10] <Insomniac-> IULIUS23ro: check to see which ports dc++ uses
[10:11] <Insomniac-> lsof -i|grep dc++
[10:11] <slyder> yea i tried out 2 of them one couldn't list large groups like i do and the other was only for nzb files
[10:11] <Insomniac-> or whatever the binary is called
[10:11] <IULIUS23ro> 411 and 1050
[10:11] <IULIUS23ro> but when i try to download
[10:11] <IULIUS23ro> he is trying to open random ports
[10:12] <IULIUS23ro> ex: 30992
[10:12] <Insomniac-> configure dc++ to use static ports
[10:12] <IULIUS23ro> tcp udp ??
[10:12] <Insomniac-> depends on what dc++ needs
[10:16] <merlino> what is the kubuntu firewall listed under?
[10:16] <Insomniac-> i didn't know kubuntu came with a firewall? (other than iptables)
[10:16] <merlino> well i know that, but does it have a gui control for it?
[10:17] <Insomniac-> apt-cache search firewall | grep -i gui
[10:17] <merlino> heh found some
[10:19] <Insomniac-> many things can be found with apt-cache search :)
[10:20] <Insomniac-> or the gui package managers if you prefer those
[10:20] <merlino> so how to i allow a port with iptables?
[10:20] <Insomniac-> add it in the right table
[10:20] <merlino> like... i need to forward 8000
[10:21] <Insomniac-> don't know out of the top of my head.. haven't used iptables in a while
[10:21] <merlino> heh... damn
[10:22] <Insomniac-> too bad my backups are encrypted else i could look it up without reading through the manpages
[10:24] <Insomniac-> if you want to learn more about funky firewalling options i suggest you read the iptables manpage
[10:24] <Insomniac-> or try one of the gui tools
[10:24] <merlino> all i want to do is forward a damn port lmao
[10:25] <Insomniac-> can't recommend one since i write my own firewall initscripts
[10:27] <Insomniac-> pick one and try it
[10:27] <trekkor> i wonder, is there any chance somebody could port mandriva's msec / draksec to ubuntu?
[10:27] <trekkor> it's a very good tool
[10:27] <Insomniac-> trekkor: what options does it integrate?
[10:27] <trekkor> Insomniac-: plenty
[10:27] <trekkor> Insomniac-: wait
[10:28] <Insomniac-> trekkor: if the source is available you could create a debian/ubuntu package for it
[10:28] <Insomniac-> check whether debian has one
[10:28] <Insomniac-> you could install a debian package on ubuntu without too much hassle
[10:29] <trekkor> Insomniac-: debian doesn't have it
[10:29] <trekkor> Insomniac-: btw, any idea why ubuntu seems to... hate silc?
[10:29] <Insomniac-> no.. silc is a secure irc variant if i remember correctly right?
[10:30] <trekkor> Insomniac-: yes
[10:30] <trekkor> Insomniac-: i mean, not even for gaim? gaim-silc is popular.
[10:30] <crimsun> hmm? silc is built into gaim.
[10:30] <Insomniac-> i doubt ubuntu hates silc, maybe there isn't a package just because nobody has made one yet?
[10:31] <crimsun> just choose the silc protocol when modifying an account in gaim
[10:31] <trekkor> crimsun: not for ubuntu or redhat. for windows only.
[10:32] <trekkor> crimsun: i don't find silc in the protocols list !
[10:32] <trekkor> crimsun: strange.
[10:32] <Insomniac-> trekkor: create a package
[10:32] <trekkor> crimsun: are you sure it's on your list? do you use ubuntu?
[10:33] <Insomniac-> or use debian's if they have one
[10:33] <crimsun> that's odd, it was there last I went to create one
[10:34] <crimsun> tried silky, then?
[10:34] <trekkor> crimsun: silky does work, but is not what i want (or am talking about, anyway)
[10:36] <bam_> is there a way to tweak the background in konq's sidebar?
[10:36] <trekkor> crimsun: actually, is it possible to add debian repositories in ubuntu?!
[10:36] <crimsun> trekkor: it's not recommended
[10:36] <bam_> you could break a whole lot
[10:37] <bam_> merlino, guidedog is what you want
[10:38] <merlino> bam_: alright
[10:38] <bam_> gui-baed too
[10:38] <bam_> *based
[10:39] <trekkor> crimsun: any reason at all why ubuntu packages are not compatible with debian ones?
[10:42] <crimsun> trekkor: they are source-compatible but not necessarily binary-compatible due to differing build-time dependencies
[10:42] <crimsun> trekkor: and http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=273871 should give a clue as to why gaim doesn't currently have silc support
[10:43] <merlino> > [12/Dec/2005:02:45:05]  Bind to socket on port 8000 failed. Shutting down now.
[10:43] <merlino> any ideas why i am getting such an error?
[10:45] <trekkor> crimsun: thank you
[10:52] <trekkor> crimsun: not that i don't care about debian policies, in fact i admire their efforts!, but, well, if it's a violation and heck, why doesn't ubuntu then include it in... plf?!
[10:54] <Insomniac-> ubuntu probably has a similar policy
[10:56] <merlino> what could be causing port 8000 to fail to bind
[10:57] <manveru> merlino: another server, running on that port?
[10:57] <Insomniac-> did you run the firewall script as a user? you need root privileges for iptables stuff iirc
[10:57] <merlino> I haven't installed anything else that could run it though, this is a fresh clean install
[10:59] <merlino> lmao
[10:59] <merlino> found out why
[10:59] <merlino> I, unknowningly, started it before
[10:59] <merlino> and its been running this whole goddamn time... I AM AN IDIOD
[10:59] <merlino> IDIOT*
[11:08] <Insomniac-> heh
[11:24] <trekkor> mandriva has nexuiz. i think ubuntu should have it too.
[11:25] <Insomniac-> create a package
[11:26] <Insomniac-> anyone know how to set different wallpapers for different monitors? all i can find in kde is settings for different virtual desktops
[11:33] <TooSad> how read mp3?
[11:33] <TooSad> what codec must i install?
[11:34] <Insomniac-> !mp3
[11:34] <Glin|Jol> Winamp  5.11 Stopped
[11:34] <ubotu> mp3 is probably a non-free format. To enable mp3 capability, read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[11:37] <TooSad> tnx
[11:39] <ninHer> hi all
[11:41] <TooSad> i'm sorry but amarok does't read mp3
[11:41] <Insomniac-> it does here
[11:41] <TooSad> sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-plugins gstreamer0.8-plugins-multiverse gstreamer0.8-ffmpeg
[11:41] <TooSad> i have installed these
[11:43] <Insomniac-> execute gst-register-0.8
[11:43] <Insomniac-> that updates the gstreamer codec cache
[11:43] <Insomniac-> does that help?
[11:43] <TooSad> not yet
[11:44] <Insomniac-> go to settings -> configure amarok in amarok
[11:44] <Insomniac-> then click on engine
[11:44] <Insomniac-> does it use the gstreamer engine?
[11:46] <merlino> Insomniac-: icecast is making me want to bang my head open lol
[11:47] <Insomniac-> why?
[11:47] <TooSad> Insomniac the engine is just gstreamer
[11:48] <TooSad> plugin in out is alsasink
[11:48] <Insomniac-> TooSad: then i don't remember what i installed what is not in the guide to get mp3 support for amarok
[11:48] <TooSad> ah
[11:48] <TooSad> ok
[11:48] <merlino> i ant seem to get it working at all
[11:49] <Insomniac-> TooSad: try installing gstreamer0.8-mad
[11:49] <Insomniac-> then running gst-register-0.8 again, then restart amarok
[11:49] <TooSad> just made
[11:49] <merlino> hold on i know this
[11:49] <merlino> i just got mp3 today
[11:50] <merlino> theres two files you gotta get
[11:51] <merlino> ahh nevermind, the one you said should work fine too
[11:52] <merlino> Insomniac-: is there another good streaming music server application out there? something better for debian?
[11:53] <Insomniac-> dunno i've never found a use for streaming audio before
[11:53] <merlino> i own a radio station but i need to get it off my ibook
[11:53] <merlino> so I can run it 24/7
[11:54] <Insomniac-> if i'm away from home i just stream audio files off my webserver
[11:54] <Insomniac-> saves me the hassle of dealing with playlists remotely
[11:55] <Insomniac-> merlino: what's the problem in getting icecast setup?
[11:56] <merlino> well the one supplied with debian is extremely* old... security risk big time
[11:56] <merlino> and not only that, it somehow doesn't have a config file that I can find lol
[11:57] <ganymed> hwllo
[11:57] <ganymed> hello
[11:57] <Insomniac-> merlino: compile it yourself and read the documentation
[11:58] <Insomniac-> running any public service without understanding how it works is a big risk
[11:59] <merlino> problem: they discontinued the documentation, can't find it... the apt-get didn't install it with it
[11:59] <Insomniac-> it's not being developed anymore?
[12:00] <ganymed> does anybody know anything about initng?
[12:00] <merlino> no the version debien installs from apt-get is 1.3.2 ( or something) and it is extremely outdated
[12:00] <Insomniac-> debian tends to lag behind alot in the stable repositories
[12:01] <Insomniac-> still.. they do tend to maintain their packages
[12:01] <Insomniac-> why not use it if it works?
[12:01] <merlino> lol cos i only know how to use the most recent :-(
[12:05] <merlino> AHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[12:05] <merlino> slam head, shoot self, dieee
[12:06] <Insomniac-> error between the screen and the chair?
[12:07] <merlino> lol...
[12:07] <merlino> :-(
[12:07] <merlino> just ruubbb it innnnn
[12:07] <Insomniac-> ;)
[12:08] <merlino> I suck at it.... I won't lie
[12:08] <merlino> but i'll just pay some poor linux junkie at the college to do it
[12:08] <merlino> or promise him my GF for the night... *snickers*
[12:08] <Insomniac-> computers are very simple things.. the more you learn the easier it gets
[12:09] <merlino> i know... but i just want the crap to work
[12:09] <merlino> lol
[12:09] <Insomniac-> it's all documented mostly
[12:10] <merlino> ...urrggg
[12:10] <merlino> yeah but when you apt-get sometimes documentation doesn't go with it
[12:10] <merlino> lets try a man icecast
[12:11] <merlino> .........lmao.............
[12:11] <Insomniac-> it might not be named after the package but after the binary or config file
[12:11] <merlino> hmmm... how do i terminate it though
[12:11] <Insomniac-> the manpage?
[12:11] <Insomniac-> press q
[12:11] <merlino> no no
[12:11] <merlino> icecast, the man doesn't say how to stop it
[12:11] <Insomniac-> does it come with a init script?
[12:12] <Insomniac-> in that case something like /etc/init.d/icecast stop
[12:12] <merlino> nope
[12:12] <merlino> the newer versions sure do
[12:13] <Insomniac-> oh well.. just kill it
[12:13] <merlino> "kill icecast"?
[12:13] <Insomniac-> if the binary is called icecast, yes
[12:13] <merlino> bash: kill: icecast: arguments must be process or job IDs
[12:13] <merlino> merlino@ubuntu:~$
[12:14] <Insomniac-> then use the process id
[12:14] <Insomniac-> kill <number>
[12:14] <merlino> how do I check it? teehee
[12:14] <Insomniac-> ps
[12:14] <Insomniac-> or top
[12:15] <merlino> odd
[12:15] <merlino> its not on the list
[12:15] <Insomniac-> try: ps aux
[12:15] <Insomniac-> or ps x
[12:15] <Insomniac-> i tend to forget which one does what
[12:17] <merlino> crazy
[12:17] <merlino> its not even listed in the processes
[12:17] <Insomniac-> if it's not listed it's not running
[12:17] <merlino> alright
[12:17] <merlino> time to find the config
[12:18] <Alpha1> erm, I just install ubuntu 5.10, but I miss kate, konqueror & konsole - what now?
[12:19] <Insomniac-> Alpha1: did you install ubuntu or kubuntu?
[12:19] <Alpha1> ubuntu
[12:19] <Alpha1> does that mean I'm screwed?
[12:19] <merlino> ahahaha found it
[12:19] <bimberi> Alpha1: no way
[12:19] <Alpha1> yay
[12:19] <Insomniac-> Alpha1: no, just that ubuntu doesn't come with kde by default
[12:19] <Alpha1> I noticed. I'd just like some kde apps.. k3b.. kate etc etc.
[12:19] <bimberi> Alpha1: installing kubuntu-desktop will set up a dual install (if you wish)
[12:19] <Alpha1> oooh.
[12:20] <bimberi> Alpha1: or you can install those apps individually
[12:20] <Alpha1> by using the right repository?
[12:20] <bimberi> Alpha1: same ones as ubuntu
[12:20] <Alpha1> oh, wicked.
[12:22] <merlino> *** glibc detected *** free(): invalid pointer: 0x0808f7a2 ***
[12:22] <merlino> Aborted
[12:22] <merlino> root@ubun
[12:22] <merlino> sorry for the spam
[12:22] <merlino> what are we looking at here now Insomniac- ?
[12:22] <Insomniac-> a broken program
[12:22] <merlino> lmao...
[12:22] <merlino> how do we fix it?
[12:23] <merlino> problem in the conf file?
[12:23] <Insomniac-> no this is a bug in the program
[12:23] <merlino> lovely...
[12:23] <Insomniac-> or a wrong library issue
[12:23] <merlino> should i try to remove and re-apt get it?
[12:23] <Insomniac-> worth a try but i doubt it'll help
[12:23] <merlino> lovely
[12:23] <merlino> so basically no icecast for me?
[12:24] <Insomniac-> compile it yourself
[12:24] <merlino> from source?
[12:24] <Insomniac-> yeah
[12:24] <Insomniac-> apt-get source icecast
[12:24] <merlino> k
[12:24] <merlino> let me remove it first
[12:24] <merlino> but back up the config file
[12:24] <eXistenZ> there is some bug in kicker kde 3.5
[12:24] <eXistenZ> many users experience the same problem
[12:25] <Insomniac-> what does kicker have to do with glibc errors?
[12:25] <Alpha1> hmm I wonder how I tell synaptic to use a proxy..
[12:25] <eXistenZ> Insomniac-, who has mentioned glibc errors?
[12:25] <Insomniac-> merlino
[12:25] <merlino> huh?
[12:25] <Insomniac-> sorry if you were talking to someone else
[12:26] <eXistenZ> Does he have the same problem?
[12:26] <Insomniac-> he has a problem running icecast
[12:26] <merlino> apt-get remove isn't working.
[12:26] <merlino> crappola, unable to find a source package for icecast
[12:26] <eXistenZ> ah, I'm talking about different problem
[12:27] <Insomniac-> yeah i noticed but i wondered who you were addressing
[12:27] <merlino> sonovagun
[12:27] <merlino> I give up tonight lol
[12:27] <merlino> I got work in 4 1/2 hours
[12:27] <merlino> i need to sleep just a tiny bit
[12:27] <eXistenZ> Insomniac-, have you got kde3.5 installed?
[12:27] <Insomniac-> no i'm still running 3.4.3
[12:28] <eXistenZ> I see
[12:28] <Insomniac-> i avoid the major kde releases
[12:28] <merlino> goodnight, thanks for the help Insomniac- ... you'll be seeing me tomorrow... either getting this to work or shooting up a minimart trying.
[12:28] <Insomniac-> hehe go postal
[12:28] <Insomniac-> nite
[12:28] <merlino> lol peace ^.-
[12:31] <eXistenZ> has anyone updated 3.5 yet?
[12:38] <Insomniac-> anyone know how to set wallpapers for different monitors? (not different virtual desktops)
[12:38] <Insomniac-> or do i have to resort to creating a new wallpaper from two different files?
[12:42] <trekkor> which are the files i should copy so that i could move all users from one gnu-linux installation to another gnu-linux installation, including passwords (without creating again the accounts, of course)?
[12:43] <Insomniac-> the home directories, /etc/passwd /etc/shadow and /etc/group or groups
[12:43] <Insomniac-> you might also want to copy /etc/skel if you made any changes
[12:44] <trekkor> Insomniac-: thank you very much. fyi, i am just migrating from mandriva to ubuntu :)
[12:44] <trekkor> Insomniac-: what is skel?
[12:44] <Insomniac-> if you create a new user, the files in /etc/skel are added to their homedirectory
[12:45] <trekkor> Insomniac-: oh, i see. thank you.
[12:45] <Insomniac-> it's used to setup a default user profile
[12:46] <Insomniac-> i suggest saving a backup of your /etc directory so you can use the old files as configuration examples
[12:46] <Insomniac-> might save some time if you spent alot of time tweaking all kinds of config files
[12:48] <Insomniac-> also note that overwriting ubuntu's passwd/shadow/group files can cause problems
[12:49] <trekkor> Insomniac-: can't i just copy the relevant lines (users) from the shaddow and simply add them next to the current ubuntu user?
[12:49] <Insomniac-> yes
[12:49] <Insomniac-> that is if the user and group id's are unique
[12:50] <trekkor> yes, they are
[12:50] <Insomniac-> then it's no problem
[12:50] <Insomniac-> you might want to check for differences in the group file
[12:51] <Insomniac-> ubuntu might use different groups or group names to give users access to devices
[12:51] <Insomniac-> other than those issues you should be fine
[12:55] <trekkor> what about gshadow?
[12:55] <Insomniac-> i don't know what that is.. never seen it before, see if it has a manpage
[12:57] <Insomniac-> oh it's a shadowed group file
[12:57] <Insomniac-> just copy the lines if there are any and make sure any id's are unique
[12:59] <Insomniac-> never understood the point of the shadowed files
[01:00] <Insomniac-> just makes things more complex
[01:13] <TooSad> hi
[01:13] <Larry_Underwood> hi
[01:14] <TooSad> why with amarok i can read any mp3 while ather mp3 i cannot read?
[01:14] <TooSad> so, i have 2 mp3, i can read onlu one
[01:15] <Insomniac-> sounds like a broken mp3 file
[01:16] <Insomniac-> maybe amarok has trouble with mp3 files that have incomplete or missing headers
[01:16] <TooSad> but i can read it with vlc
[01:16] <TooSad> only amarok does't read
[01:17] <Insomniac-> do you get any error message?
[01:17] <TooSad> no
[01:19] <Insomniac-> i don't know what the problem is then.. my guess is amarok might not handle broken mp3 headers
[01:19] <Insomniac-> i've had no problem with amarok playing mp3 files here
[01:27] <eXistenZ> Has anybody got his kubuntu updated to 3.5?
[01:27] <bimberi> eXistenZ: not I, but fyi ther's this - http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-35.php
[01:28] <bimberi> *there's
[01:28] <trekkor> eXistenZ: btw, what repositories could i update it from?
[01:28] <eXistenZ> trekkor, the repos mentioned in that link I guess
[01:28] <eXistenZ> deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde35 breezy main
[01:28] <trekkor> eXistenZ: it didn't look like a repo to me
[01:28] <trekkor> eXistenZ: oh, right
[01:29] <eXistenZ> it is, and there are the gpg keys.
[01:29] <trekkor> eXistenZ: thanks
[01:29] <eXistenZ> trekkor, just read that link
[01:29] <eXistenZ> trekkor, you're welcome
[01:29] <trekkor> eXistenZ: is it worth upgrading, anyway?
[01:30] <trekkor> eXistenZ: (other than getting newer stuff)
[01:30] <eXistenZ> trekkor, I guess so, many updates. I have now only a problem with kicker,  I think it's a bug or something
[01:30] <trekkor> eXistenZ: some specific improvements?
[01:30] <eXistenZ> trekkor, when I try to logoff it crashes
[01:30] <trekkor> eXistenZ: i see
[01:30] <eXistenZ> maybe it's just for me
[01:30] <Insomniac-> trekkor: http://www.kde.org/announcements/visualguide-3.5.php
[01:30] <trekkor> btw, any idea how i can get kdm offer me a menu with boot alternatives on next machine startup?
[01:30] <eXistenZ> I've seen another user who reported the same problem. But there are other users who got their kde up and running well
[01:31] <eXistenZ> trekkor, what boot alternatives?
[01:31] <eXistenZ> trekkor, different operating systems?
[01:31] <trekkor> eXistenZ: yes, different partitions
[01:32] <eXistenZ> trekkor, I don't think it's the task of kdm. It's rather the task of grub/lilo, the bootloader.
[01:32] <trekkor> eXistenZ: so that it won't be necessary for grub to ask me which partition i want to boot from
[01:32] <trekkor> eXistenZ: yes, but it seems they can be combined somehow
[01:32] <Insomniac-> kdm is not a bootloader
[01:32] <eXistenZ> trekkor, it's not possible to boot windows, for example, from kdm.
[01:33] <trekkor> eXistenZ: yes it is!
[01:33] <thoreauputic> trekkor: the grub screen gives you those options
[01:33] <trekkor> eXistenZ, Insomniac, thoreauputic: kdm may be combined with grub / lilo and set them to boot a certain partition on next boot
[01:33] <thoreauputic> trekkor: erm, not unless you are running an emulator or something
[01:33] <Insomniac-> sure but that's kind of pointless
[01:33] <trekkor> eXistenZ: i am a newbye to ubuntu from mandriva and i can tell you mandriva does this
[01:34] <Insomniac-> kdm can be made to change the default in grub/lilo config, but why?
[01:34] <trekkor> thoreauputic: no emulator
[01:34] <trekkor> Insomniac-: it doesn't do it by changing the default
[01:34] <trekkor> Insomniac-: it seems it uses some other lilo / grub options
[01:35] <thoreauputic> trekkor: as mentioned, kdm is not a boot loader - the options are in /boot/grub/menu.lst
[01:35] <trekkor> Insomniac-: all i know is it is possible
[01:35] <Insomniac-> trekkor: well copy the required files/config from your old distro if you're so inclined
[01:35] <trekkor> thoreauputic: i know, but it can influence a bootloader, just as much as it can influence some x settings
[01:36] <trekkor> s/x/x11/
[01:36] <thoreauputic> well, kdm can't load until the OS is booted, so if that is so it is just writing something to /boot/grub/menu.lst - I don't see the point really
[01:38] <Kibou> convenience
[01:38] <eXistenZ> thoreauputic, are you using 3.5?
[01:38] <trekkor> thoreauputic: here's the use case: i want to reboot from kdm and i want to specify i want grub to boot into linux at startup. then, when i come back from the toilet, i find my computer booted in windows
[01:38] <trekkor> thoreauputic: here's the use case: i want to reboot from kdm and i want to specify i want grub to boot into WINDOWS at startup. then, when i come back from the toilet, i find my computer booted in windows
[01:38] <trekkor> i corrected it
[01:38] <trekkor> sorry
[01:38] <thoreauputic> trekkor: ah I see - you want an option switch :)
[01:39] <Insomniac-> trekkor: that still means you have to logout from kde before you can use that option
[01:39] <trekkor> thoreauputic: yes :)
[01:39] <thoreauputic> eXistenZ: no, I'm just using the bog standard KDE - but actually right now I'm in fluxbox :)
[01:40] <thoreauputic> trekkor: don't know how that's done - I never needed it :)
[01:40] <Insomniac-> i don't see the benefit, but i hardly ever boot into windows
[01:40] <dv_> hello
[01:40] <trekkor> Insomniac-: yes, right. but at least i can do it from kdm's menu (outside of kde).
[01:40] <LeeJunFan> trekkor: you have to edit /etc/kde3/kdm/kdmrc or kdm.options or something to change the bootloader to grub, I think you may just have to uncomment a line.
[01:40] <trekkor> Insomniac-: windows is just a foo
[01:40] <dv_> kaffeine causes problems here. it doesnt start properly
[01:40] <dv_> it says that the kaffeine part cannot be found
[01:41] <Insomniac-> trekkor: still.. why reboot and not use virtual machines?
[01:41] <Insomniac-> or chroots
[01:41] <trekkor> btw, anybody have any idea why grub says something like partitions (all of them!) are unmountable?
[01:41] <trekkor> Insomniac-: which technology? xen?
[01:41] <Insomniac-> xen, vmware, chroot, bochs, etc, etc
[01:42] <trekkor> is it because i refused to install to /dev/hda and preferred one partition?
[01:42] <trekkor> Insomniac-: i think i can't use my tuner from a virtual machine
[01:43] <thoreauputic> back later
[01:43] <trekkor> Insomniac-: i tried qemu. i am not so pleased (although it's cool a concept)
[01:43] <Insomniac-> trekkor: i've seen some programs to share devices
[01:44] <Insomniac-> there's some network multimedia framework on kde-apps.org
[01:44] <Insomniac-> see if that works
[01:44] <trekkor> wow... would xen support third party apps which support further device sharing?
[01:44] <Insomniac-> it looks very interesting and supports tv cards iirc
[01:44] <trekkor> Insomniac-: is it some sort of accessing devices network-wise?!
[01:44] <trekkor> Insomniac-: that would be wonderful
[01:45] <Insomniac-> it's on the first or second page of the highest rated stuff
[01:45] <Insomniac-> yes something like that
[01:45] <Insomniac-> i'm not sure how stable it is
[01:45] <trekkor> Insomniac-: wow! never heard of that. thanks a lot.
[01:46] <trekkor> Insomniac-: however, i suppose it's much slower...
[01:47] <Insomniac-> i don't know
[01:48] <Insomniac-> could be very fast if it's on the same machine
[01:48] <Insomniac-> one way to find out...
[01:48] <trekkor> :)
[01:48] <trekkor> right
[01:48] <trekkor> thanks
[01:49] <Insomniac-> hmm can't seem to connect to kde-files.org
[01:49] <Insomniac-> or kde-apps.org
[01:50] <Kibou> me neither
[01:51] <Insomniac-> someone broke something somewhere
[01:51] <LeeJunFan> wow, superkaramba sucks more now than last time I tried it. Doesn't install anything, doesn't remove it's lockfile.
[01:52] <trekkor> LeeJunFan: what is karamba, after all?
[01:52] <Insomniac-> trekkor: also, you could just pipe the device through netcat
[01:53] <LeeJunFan> trekkor: fancy desktop apps which are supposed to be functional in some manner, like gkrellm type stuff, cpu, disk, net load, mail, weather, etc.
[01:53] <trekkor> LeeJunFan: oh, i see. nice.
[01:54] <trekkor> Insomniac-: i am not familiar with whatever netcat is or does
[01:54] <Insomniac-> do you know what cat is?
[01:55] <Insomniac-> or using pipes?
[01:55] <trekkor> Insomniac-: sure
[01:55] <trekkor> Insomniac-: yes
[01:55] <Insomniac-> netcat is a program that allows you to pipe stuff over tcp connections
[01:55] <trekkor> Insomniac-: i use them in my bash scripts, for god's sake :)
[01:55] <Insomniac-> i could for example tar my rootfs through netcat and untar on another machine
[01:55] <Insomniac-> as a easy way to clone my setup
[01:56] <trekkor> Insomniac-: wow. didn't know that was possible.
[01:56] <Insomniac-> there are all kind of ingenious little shell applications :)
[01:56] <Insomniac-> kinds*
[01:56] <trekkor> Insomniac-: but what type of network protocol do i need to use? samba?
[01:56] <trekkor> Insomniac-: right
[01:56] <Insomniac-> just tcp
[01:56] <Insomniac-> you tell netcat on one machine to listen on a port
[01:57] <trekkor> Insomniac-: you mean... all i need is for the other computer to be ssh-able?
[01:57] <trekkor> ohh
[01:57] <Insomniac-> and netcat on the other machine to send to the first machine on the specified port
[01:57] <trekkor> Insomniac-: right
[01:57] <Insomniac-> basically
[01:57] <Insomniac-> you're sending unencrypted information though
[01:57] <Insomniac-> so be careful what you send over the internet or other untrusted networks
[01:58] <Insomniac-> note that ssh has encrypted file transfer protocols
[01:58] <trekkor> Insomniac-: got it
[01:58] <manveru> Insomniac-: how about using sshfs? :)
[01:58] <Insomniac-> but netcat is better in this case because unencrypted is much faster
[01:58] <trekkor> Insomniac-: are you familiar with sshfs?
[01:59] <trekkor> manveru :)
[01:59] <trekkor> manveru: just what i was saying
[01:59] <Insomniac-> haven't used it but i can imagine what it does
[01:59] <Insomniac-> you can use the fish kio_slave in kde
[01:59] <manveru> i use it everyday for work :)
[02:00] <ilba7r> hi how can i check my installed wireless driver version. I have ipw2200 card but do not know which driver version i have
[02:00] <manveru> yeah, fish is much better if you just wanna copy something quick
[02:00] <Insomniac-> type fish://hostname to browse remote ssh connections with konqueror
[02:00] <trekkor> Insomniac-: sshfs is system-wide, not kde-only
[02:00] <trekkor> i doubt kio_slave works under bash
[02:01] <Insomniac-> trekkor: i know but i don't see the point of mounting stuff over ssh
[02:01] <Insomniac-> in bash you can transfer stuff using scp
[02:01] <trekkor> Insomniac-: this way my gaim folder is on just one computer and i can mount it from whichever computer i want over my lan
[02:02] <trekkor> Insomniac-: ... and use it for gaim
[02:02] <Insomniac-> trekkor: you could also do that with a unencrypted protocol which is much faster and causes less cpu load
[02:02] <trekkor> Insomniac-: like...?
[02:02] <manveru> hey guys... for every task there is the right tool
[02:02] <Insomniac-> or you could just ssh into that machine and have gaim display on your local machine
[02:02] <Insomniac-> trekkor: nfs or smb, or ...
[02:03] <Insomniac-> exactly
[02:03] <trekkor> Insomniac-: the latter solution is not as fast as running gaim locally
[02:03] <trekkor> Insomniac-: they say nfs should be considered obsolete as it's quite insecure
[02:03] <manveru> i very much prefer sshfs for continous work on a machine... but fish is good for quick tasks...
[02:03] <Insomniac-> trekkor: when using it over a trusted lan it's a viable and efficient solution
[02:04] <trekkor> Insomniac-: right
[02:04] <thoreauputic_> trekkor: nfs is fine locally behind a router/firewall
[02:04] <trekkor> btw, which integrated security solution would you recommend me for ubuntu?
[02:04] <Insomniac-> can't recommend one because i don't use any
[02:05] <trekkor> i don't want to spend time to think on every security details
[02:05] <trekkor> Insomniac-: i just want to be prompted by a single app
[02:05] <Insomniac-> i don't want to be prompted by any app
[02:05] <trekkor> Insomniac-: (depending on a lot other apps, all right)
[02:06] <Insomniac-> i have a hardware router so i don't need a firewall
[02:06] <trekkor> Insomniac-: well, notified then
[02:06] <Insomniac-> well what info do you want to be notified of?
[02:07] <Insomniac-> you can use metamonitor to prompt you of logfile changes
[02:07] <thoreauputic_> heh =- tail -f /var/log/messages <grin>
[02:07] <trekkor> Insomniac-: does the metamonitor feel when some changes are really relevant?
[02:07] <Insomniac-> you can specify what you want to be displayed
[02:07] <trekkor> well, "feel"
[02:09] <Insomniac-> take metamonitor for a spin
[02:09] <Insomniac-> see if you like it
[02:09] <trekkor> Insomniac-: what do you think of bastille?
[02:09] <Insomniac-> what's that?
[02:10] <trekkor> Insomniac-: some integrator of security stuff
[02:10] <thoreauputic_> trekkor: bastille is good way to tie yourself in knots, unless you understand all the options
[02:10] <Insomniac-> trekkor: i don't use any integrated security programs
[02:10] <trekkor> thoreauputic_: that is, to render your lan useless (too much limited)?
[02:10] <Insomniac-> i write initscripts
[02:11] <thoreauputic_> trekkor: it locks things down all right, but you run the risk of locking yourself in totally :)
[02:11] <trekkor> Insomniac-: "i write initscripts" means to me "code duplication"
[02:11] <Insomniac-> maybe
[02:11] <trekkor> Insomniac-: why shouldn't there be some collections of such scripts
[02:11] <Insomniac-> to me it means i know what i'm doing
[02:11] <Insomniac-> sure you can use a firewall gui but it's better if you understand what iptables is and does
[02:12] <trekkor> Insomniac-: i myself know what i am doing (at least sometimes), but it takes too much time... and too much repetitive work
[02:12] <thoreauputic_> trekkor: guarddog is pretty good as an iptables front-end
[02:12] <Insomniac-> trekkor: once you have written an initscript you can take it anywhere and make minor adjustments, what repetitive work are you referring to?
[02:13] <trekkor> thoreauputic_: even shorewall is considered an iptables front-end... it's just that it needs its own front-end :D
[02:13] <thoreauputic_> trekkor: heh - well guarddog has a nice friendly GUI :)
[02:13] <trekkor> Insomniac-: maintenance. i wrote some scripts for mandriva... now i have to adapt them to ubuntu.
[02:14] <Insomniac-> trekkor: i'm not saying my way is better but merely saying why i don't use any gui or integrated solution
[02:14] <trekkor> thoreauputic_: ok, but do you agree to what i just said, that shorewall itself needs a frontend? :)
[02:14] <thoreauputic_> trekkor: I haven't used it , but I get your point :)
[02:15] <trekkor> Insomniac-: plus one can never face all tiny details
[02:15] <Insomniac-> trekkor: then you're not very good at writing initscripts ;)
[02:15] <trekkor> Insomniac-: it's always better for specialists to fight all those details and then come up with a killer app
[02:15] <Insomniac-> trekkor: why not?
[02:15] <trekkor> Insomniac-: i'll tell you why
[02:15] <Insomniac-> i put everything on default deny and then add exception rules for what is allowed
[02:15] <trekkor> Insomniac-: mandriva has such a tool
[02:16] <trekkor> Insomniac-: which deals which all sorts of details i bet you never address in your scripts
[02:16] <trekkor> Insomniac-: this is what i am talking about
[02:16] <Insomniac-> i'd like to hear them
[02:16] <trekkor> Insomniac-: there are too many traps
[02:16] <trekkor> Insomniac-: i don't want to spend my lifetime detecting them
[02:16] <Insomniac-> trekkor: if you don't understand your security setup, how do you know it is secure?
[02:17] <trekkor> Insomniac-: default deny is the best approach, but, for instance, can you default deny the execution of absolutely any app, except for the ones you want executed? and if so, how?
[02:18] <Insomniac-> yes i can
[02:18] <Insomniac-> the are several kernel patches that can do that
[02:18] <trekkor> Insomniac-: why is it not supported in the mainstream kernel then?
[02:18] <Insomniac-> however it's a time consuming ***** to set that up
[02:18] <trekkor> Insomniac-: it should be considered important
[02:18] <Insomniac-> trekkor: don't ask me i don't write kernels
[02:18] <trekkor> Insomniac-: see?
[02:19] <trekkor> Insomniac-: "time consuming"... which comes to my point.
[02:19] <trekkor> :)
[02:19] <trekkor> Insomniac-: admit it!\
[02:19] <LeeJunFan> trekkor: probably because it's easier to just chmod -R o-x /usr/bin
[02:19] <dv> the control center is very buggy in breezy
[02:19] <Insomniac-> trekkor: not all security stuff is as hard to setup as kernel stuff
[02:19] <Insomniac-> firewalls for example are easy
[02:19] <dv> is this breezy only, or is this a known kde 3.4 problem
[02:19] <dv> ?
[02:20] <Insomniac-> chroots help
[02:20] <dv> I mean stuff like http://dv.dword.org/stuff/kde-control-center-2.png (note the missing "administrator mode" button)
[02:20] <trekkor> LeeJunFan: just like in windows it's easier to just "format c:" (esr advises so for quick solution to most windows problems)
[02:20] <Insomniac-> but basically it comes down to using secure software
[02:20] <LeeJunFan> trekkor: wth? chmod does not erase your OS.
[02:21] <LeeJunFan> trekkor: in windows to secure a system remove plug from wall.
[02:21] <kkathman> lol
[02:21] <LeeJunFan> kkathman: mornin'
[02:21] <trekkor> Insomniac-: then AGAIN, what kind of kernel is that which doesn't allow setting limits on a PER USER basis?
[02:22] <trekkor> Insomniac-: i simply can't find any way to do that
[02:22] <Insomniac-> try the grsecurity patches
[02:22] <LeeJunFan> trekkor: what exactly are you trying to limit?
[02:22] <trekkor> Insomniac-: and some users are crashing my server because of this
[02:22] <Insomniac-> i forgot what the other one was called
[02:22] <trekkor> LeeJunFan: ram
[02:22] <Insomniac-> trekkor: if you just want to limits cpu/ram/disk usage take a look at /etc/security/limits.conf
[02:22] <LeeJunFan> trekkor: ulimit
[02:23] <trekkor> Insomniac-: see? patches again :)
[02:23] <LeeJunFan> trekkor: no patches.
[02:23] <trekkor> LeeJunFan: nah, ulimit is USELESS
[02:23] <Insomniac-> no that's the default kernel
[02:23] <kkathman> LeeJunFan: good morning to you :)
[02:23] <trekkor> LeeJunFan: it's a HUGE difference between "per user" and "per [process belonging to a certain]  user"
[02:24] <trekkor> LeeJunFan: HUGE
[02:24] <Insomniac-> trekkor: still i fail to see how your integrated solution is a better one
[02:24] <trekkor> LeeJunFan: they all believe they can do it with ulimit, but ulimit does nothing. not even when it actually works, that is. :)
[02:24] <Insomniac-> ulimit works as advertized
[02:25] <Insomniac-> does a nice job of preventing forkbombs and such
[02:25] <LeeJunFan> trekkor: If you limit any user from using all your ram who cares if they use all THEIR alloted ram on one app or 100?
[02:25] <trekkor> Insomniac-: an integrated security solution is a nice solution just as it is nice to gather a kernel and some libs and call it a system before trying to use a computer (lest you should end up trying to assemble your apps piece by piece).
[02:25] <trekkor> s/before/rather\ than/
[02:26] <Insomniac-> trekkor: if you want to trust your security to something you don't understand then go ahead
[02:26] <trekkor> oops
[02:26] <trekkor> forget about the regexp
[02:26] <trekkor> Insomniac-: no, not to something i don't understand
[02:26] <trekkor> Insomniac-: i want a gkrellm of security
[02:26] <thompa> hi, im on an ubuntu system and want kubuntu desktop
[02:27] <trekkor> Insomniac-: i may not understand how some of the displayed variables are gathered, but at least i know the variables
[02:27] <LeeJunFan> thompa: install kubuntu-desktop
[02:27] <thompa> i want kde 3.5
[02:27] <dv> thompa, just install the package kubuntu-kdesktop
[02:27] <dv> ah kubuntu-desktop
[02:27] <hara|afk> hey all
[02:27] <hara> how can I change locale from en_US.UTF8 to en_US.iso8859-1
[02:27] <Insomniac-> trekkor: it's a bad idea to automatically profile the syscalls you want to allow programs to use
[02:27] <thompa> and there are a bunch of dependencies
[02:28] <LeeJunFan> thompa: first you'll have to add 'deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde35 breezy main' to /etc/apt/sources.list, then install kubuntu-desktop
[02:28] <Insomniac-> sure it works but it's not secure
[02:28] <trekkor> Insomniac-: what would you advice instead?
[02:28] <thompa> i did that
[02:28] <dv> LeeJunFan, I guess this is totally unstable right now?
[02:28] <Insomniac-> trekkor: either setup proper kernel security or don't bother using it
[02:28] <Insomniac-> whichever fits the situation
[02:28] <LeeJunFan> dv: not totally, There are a few small issues with 3.5 but I've been using it since the day it came out.
[02:29] <dv> Insomniac-, if you want security, openbsd might be a better choice anyway :)
[02:29] <hara> nevermind, i foudn it
[02:29] <Insomniac-> dv: probably
[02:29] <trekkor> "trekkor: If you limit any user from using all your ram who cares if they use all THEIR alloted ram on one app or 100?" -- that is exactly my point!
[02:29] <thompa> synaptic says cant upgrade , should i just force apt
[02:29] <dv> LeeJunFan, some good reasons for 3.5 over 3.4?
[02:29] <trekkor> LeeJunFan: ^^
[02:30] <LeeJunFan> dv: don't really have any. The changes are minimal.
[02:30] <thompa> depends on akregator, kaddressbook, pim etc
[02:30] <trekkor> LeeJunFan: and that is exactly what i CAN'T do with ulimit! :)
[02:30] <dv> then thompa, forcing 3.5 wont pay off maybe
[02:30] <dv> I mean the efforts to get 3.5 instead 3.4
[02:30] <LeeJunFan> trekkor: that's exactly what ulimit does.
[02:31] <thompa> i have a clean install of ubuntu, and added the 3.5 main
[02:31] <LeeJunFan> trekkor: or on a group.
[02:31] <thompa> should i remove it thenuess install kubuntu i g
[02:31] <thompa> then upgrade to 3.5
[02:31] <trekkor> "Insomniac- trekkor: if you want to trust your security to something you don't understand then go ahead" -- (continuing my line of reasoning) i already do this by using a kernel i don't understand. linux.
[02:32] <trekkor> LeeJunFan: i am sorry, but i have to disagree: ulimit only limits the ram used by each process of a user.
[02:32] <kkathman> thompa: you might wish to postpone 3.5 until some of the apps catch up with it
[02:32] <LeeJunFan> thompa: probably better to stick with 3.4.3 really.
[02:32] <kkathman> yep LeeJunFan :)
[02:33] <thompa> are there some problems?
[02:33] <wimpies> need some help with sound. Mplayer works from console but any KDE app fails opening alsa
[02:33] <thompa> how is kontact?
[02:33] <trekkor> LeeJunFan: so, if the limit is, say, 50 mb, then, if that user runs 1000 processes, each of them using 50 mb, my computer is ****ed
[02:33] <kkathman> thompa: yes many problems for about 80% of the people that have installed it
[02:33] <dv> wimpies, maybe its trying to use arts
[02:33] <thompa> crap
[02:34] <Insomniac-> trekkor: if security matters that much to you, you might want to learn more, or even switch to something like openbsd which is built from the ground up with security in mind
[02:34] <kkathman> thompa: its a transitional release anyway
[02:34] <trekkor> LeeJunFan: in short, ulimit is a BIG LIE
[02:34] <thompa> i read that konqueror pexceeds firefox and IE in speed
[02:34] <dv> yes, its fast
[02:34] <LeeJunFan> trekkor: limit the # of things they can run.
[02:34] <kkathman> thompa: if you can get konq to work right
[02:34] <dv> but I dont like the wallet
[02:34] <wimpies> dv : probably but AFAIK it is enabled ('enable sound system' is checked
[02:34] <trekkor> Insomniac-: btw, why doesn't ubuntu use a bsd kernel?
[02:34] <dv> it just doesnt work, and it crashes
[02:34] <kkathman> dv - fast but crashes..hmmm
[02:34] <Insomniac-> trekkor: because ubuntu is a *linux* distribution
[02:34] <kkathman> hehe
[02:34] <dv> kkathman, not konqueror itself
[02:34] <kkathman> right
[02:34] <dv> but the wallet
[02:35] <kkathman> well konq has some issues too
[02:35] <thompa> is the problem with kde 3.5 in general or debian and 3.5?
[02:35] <dv> yes
[02:35] <kkathman> under 3.5
[02:35] <dv> but i like it
[02:35] <kkathman> thompa: 3.5 in general
[02:35] <dv> quite slick browser
[02:35] <trekkor> LeeJunFan: yes, i can limit the number of processes they run, but this is quite expensive; maybe i want them to use as many processes as they wish, as long as they don't occupy my ram
[02:35] <LeeJunFan> trekkor: set the ulimit on their initial shell, ulimit works on the calling shell and processes started by it, if you limit the initial shell all apps started by it share it's limits.
[02:35] <thompa> there are a few distros offering it default already
[02:35] <kkathman> kde's platform was released, but many apps havent caught up
[02:35] <thompa> Ark for one
[02:35] <thompa> ok ok
[02:36] <kkathman> thompa: probably Dapper will as well
[02:36] <dv> wimpies, try killall artsd
[02:36] <thompa> im mostly interested in Kontact
[02:36] <dv> then try the kde app again
[02:36] <kkathman> but by then, the apps will have caught up
[02:36] <thompa> i need to get off outlook fast
[02:36] <dv> thompa, 3.4 has kontact already
[02:36] <LeeJunFan> trekkor: if you want security you should limit the # of threads too, I could easily bring a system to it's knees with a simple shell forkbomb if # of procs aren't limited.
[02:36] <kkathman> the apps are NOT part of 3.5
[02:36] <kkathman> many got left behind
[02:36] <kkathman> even "core" apps'
[02:37] <dv> I found kontact to be a little bloated
[02:37] <kkathman> I dont use kontact
[02:37] <trekkor> Insomniac-: well, it would be a bsd distro if it used a bsd kernel, so what's the problem? :)
[02:37] <thompa> kkathman: what do you use?
[02:37] <dv> I have yet to find something as fast and lean as The Bat (windows-emailclient)
[02:37] <wimpies> nope, when I double click on an mp3 file and noatun starts up ... it does not play sound (also SKYPE is not working only mplayer)
[02:37] <kkathman> its ok...runs fine for the most part, but takes up alot of resource
[02:37] <trekkor> LeeJunFan: agreed
[02:37] <ilba7r> is there a way to check which wirless driver version is installed for my wirless card
[02:37] <kkathman> thompa: I use Opera for everything..browser, RSS, Newsfeeds, mail etc
[02:38] <kkathman> but thats just my personal choice
[02:38] <thompa> i need a calendatr
[02:38] <thompa> for appointments
[02:38] <dv> wimpies, what sound card do you have?
[02:38] <Insomniac-> trekkor: that's just stupid
[02:39] <wimpies> dv : something on board intel8x0 but It should work because I previously had a debian system and there it worked just fine
[02:39] <Insomniac-> by that reasoning windows is a bsd distro if it used a bsd kernel
[02:39] <kkathman> thompa: you might look at Firefox
[02:39] <thompa> is anybody haveing problems with kontact in 3.5
[02:39] <kkathman> Firefox has a plugin calendar
[02:39] <thompa> i know firefox is coming with calendar
[02:39] <kkathman> which I think is handy
[02:39] <thompa> and thunderbird
[02:40] <wimpies> dv : in fact I had to upgrade the system because a usb keyboard/mouse
[02:40] <thompa> yep!
[02:40] <kkathman> well it doesnt come with it, they are both addons
[02:40] <wimpies> dv : my debian was too old
[02:40] <trekkor> LeeJunFan: however, iirc, -- and yet another stupid issue of ulimit!! -- one can only limit the number of processes PER LOGIN. just imagine that! ulimit is more like some sort of machine gun for killing mosquitos
[02:40] <kkathman> thompa: I just liked the idea of everything being in one place...and Opera does an excellent job of automatically filing my emails and feeds
[02:41] <LeeJunFan> trekkor: you can also limit the # of logins
[02:41] <thompa> do you use a calendar?
[02:41] <kkathman> I need to find a calendar plugin tho...Im sure there is one :)
[02:41] <thompa> kkathman
[02:41] <kkathman> not really thompa..I use my outlook on my company machine
[02:41] <thompa> oh
[02:41] <thompa> im getting too many viruses
[02:42] <trekkor> LeeJunFan: yes... but why does it all have too look like scratching one's right ear with one's left hand?
[02:42] <thompa> can anybody tell me if kontact is the same in 3.4 -3.5
[02:42] <thompa> or does it matter
[02:42] <LeeJunFan> thompa: because they are meant to all work together.
[02:42] <Insomniac-> trekkor: saying it would be something else if it used something else is kind of a moot point, no?
[02:42] <wimpies> dv : Just tried xmms and first failed (used OSS) but then switched to ALSA and there it worked.  COuld this be also the case in ARTSD ?
[02:43] <thompa> what apps are people having trouble with in 3.5?
[02:43] <dv> maybe
[02:44] <thompa> i like koffice and kontact and konqueror is all i want really
[02:44] <thompa> but konqueror has been so slow earlier
[02:44] <wimpies> no just tried to set it to alsa but does not work either.  I did hear some sound in my headphone but noatun and others still fail ???
[02:44] <trekkor> LeeJunFan: plus it's terribly unpractical: just imagine: if i want to allow for processes up to 50 mb then i have to allow for just one process and one login for each user, so as to make sure my ten users will get along well on my 512 machine
[02:44] <dv> thompa, kontact has a calendar and outlook supprt in 3.4
[02:45] <thompa> dv: how so outlook support?
[02:45] <trekkor> LeeJunFan: it is impossible to use that. it's very much inflexible
[02:45] <dv> thompa, dunno. i just read about it
[02:45] <dv> in a linux magazine
[02:45] <kkathman> under linux I mean
[02:45] <thompa> dv: i dont think so
[02:45] <dv> kkathman, I do on the desktop
[02:45] <thompa> dv: you have to use mozilla
[02:46] <trekkor> LeeJunFan: we should just face it: ulimit IS USELESS. this is just why NOBODY uses it (except for people fooled by what it apparently promises)
[02:46] <kkathman> dv on linux?
[02:46] <dv> yes
[02:46] <thompa> then import into thunderbird or outlook
[02:46] <kkathman> dv: how well integrated are they?
[02:46] <dv> oh, quite good
[02:46] <dipnlik> hi all. trying to install a smbprinter, it is an epson c85 ( = c84) when I try to select the foomatic recommended driver, i receive an error message, can anyone help me?
[02:46] <dv> of course the GTK UI doesnt match with KDE
[02:46] <thompa> ive tried extensively to get mail and contacts into kmail from outlook
[02:46] <dipnlik> message is: Unable to create the Foomatic driver [Epson-Stylus_C84,gimp-print] . Either that driver does not exist, or you don't have the required permissions to perform that operation.
[02:46] <dv> but thats not so bad
[02:46] <kkathman> dv well thats to be expected
[02:46] <thompa> only works importing into mozilla first
[02:46] <trekkor> LeeJunFan: now, really: can you name any distro which activates *any* ram / processor / nr of processes ulimits at all?! not by default, that is, but at least at higher levels of preconfigured security
[02:47] <dv> however you shouldnt use the gtk-qt-engine
[02:47] <dipnlik> I am configuring the printer in administrator mode
[02:47] <dv> its buggy
[02:47] <trekkor> s/nr/no/
[02:47] <trekkor> LeeJunFan: nobody really takes ulimits seriously
[02:47] <kkathman> dv I didnt..I installed the firefox 1.5 from the site and just did a sym link
[02:47] <dv> thompa, well, cant say something about it then
[02:48] <kkathman> dv is there any diff if I get thunderbird from the web site, vs repos?
[02:48] <kkathman> they are both 1.0.7
[02:48] <Insomniac-> package management
[02:49] <dv> dont know, I always got it from the package manager
[02:49] <kkathman> ok
[02:49] <kkathman> big diff with firefox :)
[02:49] <dv> ff 1.5 supports svg, this is very nice.
[02:49] <kkathman> much easier from their site .. and less buggy..though I know some people that actually got the source and compiled it..and say its very fast
[02:49] <Insomniac-> the package manager won't know it is installed so stuff that depends on it will fail to install or it might try and overwrite your manually installed firefox unless you tell the package manager you installed it
[02:50] <kkathman> Insomniac-: I would just be installing thunderbird only
[02:50] <kkathman> not firefox
[02:50] <Insomniac-> then s/firefox/thunderbird/
[02:50] <trekkor> LeeJunFan: ulimit is only useful for protecting against some accidents (and that only in an accidental way!). nobody can use it under normal circumstances. and nobody should. in short: i hate ulimit (just because it gives the feeling "it does something")
[02:51] <Insomniac-> kkathman: might be easier to apt-get source it and build your own .deb
[02:51] <kkathman> Insomniac-: for thunderbird?
[02:51] <Insomniac-> yeah
[02:52] <kkathman> hmm... maybe I'll just stick with Opera then :)
[02:52] <kkathman> lol
[02:52] <dipnlik> opera _o/
[02:52] <Insomniac-> well you can just install it, but it may cause package management headaches in the future
[02:52] <thompa> sorry to go one about kde but, does installing kde 3.5 mean that it wont be updated?
[02:52] <wimpies> how can I upgrade to kde 3.5 ? I added the apt source but what do I need to do ?
[02:53] <kkathman> thompa: it would be updated sure
[02:53] <kkathman> wimpies: dont go to 3.5
[02:53] <thompa> kkathman: if  3.5 is in kubuntu but not official
[02:54] <wimpies> kkathman : there is a problem system  settings.  The window does not resize properly and hence cannot see all info thouhg 3.5 could help
[02:54] <thompa> i guess its 3.5.1 then next
[02:54] <dipnlik> kkathman: why not? is 3.5 *that* buggy?
[02:55] <LeeJunFan> wimpies: run kcontrol instead.
[02:55] <thompa> wimpies: its a known  bug
[02:55] <kkathman> dipnlik: the foundation is ok, but the kde apps havent caught up
[02:55] <dipnlik> kkathman: hm
[02:55] <thompa> kkathmsn: which apps?
[02:55] <thompa> koffice?
[02:55] <kkathman> thompa: almost all
[02:55] <thompa> huh?
[02:55] <kkathman> most certainly k-office
[02:56] <kkathman> if you attempt to upgrade you'll get a list of all the apps being held back
[02:56] <thompa> kkathman: but kde.org says its ready
[02:56] <kkathman> thompa: yes the KDE foundation is final
[02:57] <kkathman> thompa: kde.org doesnt control the source to the 1000s of KDE apps tho
[02:57] <thompa> is kontact part of the foundation?
[02:57] <thompa> i think kontact is ok
[02:57] <kkathman> thompa: what's wrong with kontact under 3.4.3 ?
[02:57] <kkathman> it worked for me just fine when I used it
[02:57] <thompa> i dont know
[02:57] <wimpies> leejunfan : thanx
[02:57] <thompa> i have not used it on kubuntu yet
[02:57] <kkathman> well crap why upgrade then?
[02:57] <kkathman> lol
[02:58] <thompa> i have not even installed
[02:58] <Insomniac-> kkathman: the news part doesn't work here in kontact
[02:58] <thompa> Insomniac-: in 3.5 ?
[02:58] <Insomniac-> no in 3.4.3
[02:58] <thompa> oh
[02:58] <kkathman> Insomniac-: worked fine for me...the RSS and the News.but I didnt think the news reader was robust
[02:58] <Insomniac-> "Library files for "libknodepart.la" not found in paths
[02:58] <kkathman> so I used pan
[02:59] <wimpies> I am still lost with this sound problem. From Kcontrol 'test sound' works but when I try to play a sound on an event (and test it) I get no sound ???
[02:59] <wimpies> kkathman : I like pan too
[02:59] <kkathman> yah pan is pretty nice...alot better than knoda
[02:59] <kkathman> or whatever that KDE ap is I forget
[02:59] <Insomniac-> the rest of kontact works fine here except for synchronization
[03:00] <thompa> is anybody using an ipod with kde?
[03:00] <trekkor> "Insomniac- trekkor: it's a bad idea to automatically profile the syscalls you want to allow programs to use" -- why?
[03:00] <kkathman> Insomniac-: yeah I dont synch with anything..so that wasnt a concern
[03:00] <Insomniac-> me neither but i'd like to have news integrated
[03:00] <Insomniac-> trekkor: because it's a dumb approach to security
[03:01] <thompa> well im not sure now 3.5 yay or nay?
[03:01] <kkathman> Insomniac-: thats why I like Opera
[03:01] <thompa> it might be ok if i fdont use office
[03:01] <kkathman> all tied together
[03:01] <kkathman> thompa: koffice you mean?
[03:01] <trekkor> Insomniac-: why, again (i am really interested in the issue)?
[03:01] <thompa> yes
[03:01] <trekkor> Insomniac-: it's too much limiting?
[03:01] <Insomniac-> trekkor: if you do it automatically it will allow too much by default
[03:01] <kkathman> thompa: with the exception of Krita, Koffice was a dissappointment to me
[03:02] <kkathman> I prefer OO2
[03:02] <thompa> kkathman: i liked it on kanotix when i saw it
[03:02] <thompa> lite version,
[03:02] <Insomniac-> trekkor: the best security is achieved when nothing except the bare minimum is allowed to run what it is the box should run
[03:02] <kkathman> thompa: it was ok, just a few too many crashes
[03:02] <trekkor> Insomniac-: actually, how do i tell it not to run *any* process unless it belong to a list of allowed processes?
[03:03] <Insomniac-> read the manual(s)
[03:03] <thompa> kkathman: what version
[03:03] <trekkor> Insomniac-: yes, the "default deny" approach. agreed.
[03:04] <trekkor> Insomniac-: (it seems grsecurity only deals with 2.4) :(
[03:04] <Insomniac-> grsecurity is not the only one
[03:04] <trekkor> Insomniac-: could you please mention some others?
[03:04] <Insomniac-> google
[03:05] <Insomniac-> i forgot what the other one was called
[03:05] <trekkor> Insomniac-: i mean, which ones do you use?
[03:05] <Insomniac-> maybe it's part of selinux
[03:05] <thompa> thanks guys, thanks kkathman
[03:05] <Insomniac-> trekkor: i don't use any on my desktop machine and i currently don't run any servers
[03:05] <trekkor> Insomniac-: isn't selinux bastille-linux?
[03:05] <trekkor> Insomniac-: i see
[03:05] <Insomniac-> maybe it changed it's name i don't know
[03:06] <eriksti> hey guys.. how can I enable my wireless card in kde? everyone says it's easy in ubuntu with the network admin tool they have here..
[03:06] <Insomniac-> still if you want maximum security it starts with using secure software, i wouldn't be running linux but openbsd instead
[03:07] <trekkor> Insomniac-: do *you* prefer openbsd? do you use it? or have you?
[03:07] <Insomniac-> i've used it in the past
[03:07] <trekkor> Insomniac-: what made you leave it?
[03:08] <Insomniac-> i don't run any servers anymore
[03:08] <trekkor> Insomniac-: lack of desktop facilities?
[03:08] <trekkor> Insomniac-: oh, right. so if you ran servers you would strongly prefer openbsd?
[03:08] <Insomniac-> no, i'd use the right tool for the right job
[03:08] <Insomniac-> if that's security, openbsd is on the top of my list
[03:09] <trekkor> Insomniac-: right. thanks a lot for a nice discution.
[03:13] <LeeJunFan> trekkor: have you looked at using PAM for limits?
[03:15] <eriksti> how can you specify an access point for wireless connection in kubuntu?
[03:17] <kkathman> LeeJunFan:  thompa got my interest piqued..do you know the name of the calenadar program in Kontact?
[03:17] <kkathman> calendar that is :)
[03:18] <LeeJunFan> kkathman: korganizer?
[03:18] <kkathman> lemme try
[03:18] <kkathman> yep thats it..thanks
[03:19] <LeeJunFan> kkathman: yeah, it's nice. Helps me remember appointments :) Can setup appointments and reminders with popup notifications and sounds, etc.
[03:21] <Insomniac-> anyone know of a linux version of the sysinternals bluescreen screensaver?
[03:23] <Riddell> Insomniac-: KDE has one, might be called redmond or something
[03:24] <LeeJunFan> Insomniac-: if you install xscreensaver you will  be able to chose BSOD in kde screensaver setup under "Banners & Pictures"
[03:24] <Insomniac-> LeeJunFan: thank you :)
[03:24] <Insomniac-> always nice to confuse some friends with a screensaver
[03:25] <trekkor> LeeJunFan: yes... :( same problems (thank you for the suggestion anyway)
[03:25] <kkathman> LeeJunFan: I was briefly looking if there was a way in Opera to "call out" korganizer..but it doesnt appear there is :)
[03:25] <kkathman> I guess I will need to be a little less lazy
[03:26] <Insomniac-> LeeJunFan: installed it but i don't see any changes, do i need to relogin/update some cache?
[03:27] <LeeJunFan> Insomniac-: hrm, I didn't.
[03:28] <trekkor> LeeJunFan: in fact, from what i know, pam uses ulimits or something like that
[03:28] <Insomniac-> pam uses /etc/security/limits.conf
[03:29] <LeeJunFan> trekkor: I think so but I thought it applied them to the session when you did it that way so every app opened from within the main one would share the limits of the login session.
[03:29] <Insomniac-> LeeJunFan: when i start xscreensaver manually it seems i can use it
[03:30] <LeeJunFan> Insomniac-: looks like there's a hook package you need for kde, kscreensavers-xsavers
[03:30] <LeeJunFan> Insomniac-: I had already had that installed somehow.
[03:31] <Insomniac-> apt tells me that package doesn't exist
[03:31] <Insomniac-> ah it's kscreensaver-xsavers
[03:35] <Insomniac-> hmm it seems kscreensaver-xsavers isn't working too well with xinerama
[03:37] <JakubS> i wonder why all gl screensavers use only upper 2/3 of screen
[03:45] <kkathman> dv you still around?
[03:45] <kkathman> ahhh guess not
[03:45] <kkathman> any using firefox and tying it to their email?
[03:48] <Tm_T> ?
[03:56] <_guru> hi
[04:25] <jager> bored bored
[04:25] <jager> wish i had a job
[04:25] <jager> who wants to hire me?
[04:25] <jager> noone?
[04:25] <jager> aww
[04:27] <bhsx> Howdy!  I just installed kubuntu and was wondering if there is a apt-gettable nvidia driver, or should I just use the newest from nvidia.com?
[04:39] <aeon17x> bhsx: there is, search for it in Kynaptic.
[04:40] <jager> bhsx, you might look for the easy kubuntu script in the forums
[04:40] <jager> made my life simpler the other day when i installed
[04:41] <bhsx> thanks... i'm following the "unoffical" faq right now and can't seem to locate nvclock-qt
[04:50] <jager> how do you install the xine-engine for amarok?
[04:51] <jager> gstreamer engine keeps freaking out and telling me that another program is accessing the sound device
[04:51] <jager> and irritating me
[04:51] <jager> o i want to kill it
[04:51] <Insomniac-> insomniac@dreamwalk:~$ apt-cache search amarok|grep xine
[04:51] <Insomniac-> amarok-xine - xine engine for the amaroK audio player
[04:51] <jager> oh
[04:51] <jager> yeah :P
[04:52] <jager> nice and simple, eh :)
[04:52] <Insomniac-> gotta love apt :)
[04:52] <jager> no kidding
[04:54] <lordpatman> hi
[04:57] <fatejudger> if you leave coffee inside your coffeepot for a long time, does it fuck it up?
[04:57] <Insomniac-> no but it does leave crap in it that can take ages to soak out
[04:58] <Insomniac-> if it dries out
[04:58] <fatejudger> Insomniac-: I just want to go back to sleep
[04:58] <Insomniac-> as long as there is actual liquid in there it's no problem
[04:58] <fatejudger> Insomniac-: I had to wake up early to register for classes
[04:58] <fatejudger> Insomniac-: it isn't going to taste like shit is it?
[04:58] <Insomniac-> no just leave some water in it for a while
[04:58] <fatejudger> water?
[04:59] <Insomniac-> to clean out the old coffee crap that sticks to your pot
[04:59] <fatejudger> Insomniac-: ah, ok
[05:00] <Insomniac-> if it's completely dried out it might become a fire hazard if you leave it running too long
[05:01] <fatejudger> Insomniac-: I made a bunch, so I don't think it's drying out anytime soon
[05:01] <Insomniac-> no problem then
[05:01] <fatejudger> Insomniac-: I was planning on having to go register in person
[05:01] <fatejudger> Insomniac-: but apparently you can do it online after you graduate high school
[05:01] <Insomniac-> register for what?
[05:01] <fatejudger> Insomniac-: college
[05:02] <Insomniac-> oh
[05:02] <fatejudger> Insomniac-: I used to go to the Junior College concurrently during high school
[05:02] <fatejudger> Insomniac-: so I'd have to register every damn semester
[05:02] <fatejudger> Insomniac-: stupid policy
[05:02] <fatejudger> Insomniac-: this'll be the last time I register though
[05:02] <Insomniac-> yeah someone should find every last bureaucrat and put em against the wall
[05:02] <fatejudger> Insomniac-: since I graduate High School in just a couple of days
[05:03] <fatejudger> Insomniac-: it's supposed to keep a bunch of people from taking their high school classes at the JC
[05:03] <fatejudger> Insomniac-: technically you could graduate in 2 years if you did that
[05:03] <fatejudger> Insomniac-: since College Credits = High School Credits * 3.3
[05:03] <fatejudger> wait
[05:03] <fatejudger> other way around
[05:03] <Insomniac-> i'm not that familiar with the college system (i'm in the netherlands) but that sounds good :)
[05:04] <Rayman__> any hints why I can't connect to my vncserver except from localhost
[05:04] <fatejudger> yeah, I wish I'd started earlier
[05:04] <fatejudger> Rayman__: can you connect locally?
[05:04] <fatejudger> Rayman__: i.e. another computer on your network
[05:05] <fatejudger> Insomniac-: you don't go to college?
[05:05] <Insomniac-> fatejudger: our school system is a bit different
[05:06] <fatejudger> Insomniac-: ah, I see
[05:06] <jager> i <3 amarok
[05:06] <jager> that is all
[05:06] <fatejudger> jager: I'm with ya
[05:06] <Insomniac-> fatejudger: that, and i'm almost 24 ;)
[05:07] <fatejudger> Insomniac-: did you go to something like college?
[05:07] <Insomniac-> yeah
[05:07] <fatejudger> Insomniac-: what did you major in?
[05:07] <jager> fatejudger: i just found projectm, whch makes me even happier with amarok
[05:07] <fatejudger> jager: projectm?
[05:07] <jager> i highly recommend it, if you haven't got it yet
[05:07] <Insomniac-> comp sci though i didn't finish
[05:07] <jager> you know milkdrop?
[05:07] <jager> like the winamp plugin that kicks ass?
[05:07] <fatejudger> Insomniac-: that's what I'm getting, plus an MBA
[05:07] <jager> this is a port, and it too kicks ass
[05:08] <fatejudger> jager: I have no idea what it is
[05:08] <fatejudger> jager: what does it do?
[05:08] <jager> trippy music visualizations that don't suck
[05:08] <fatejudger> jager: oh, I like my music to play in a beautiful GUI program
[05:08] <fatejudger> jager: my screensaver is the only visualization I like
[05:08] <fatejudger> jager: mmm, Flurry
[05:09] <fatejudger> Flurry isn't really compatible with KDE anymore
[05:09] <jager> http://freshmeat.net/screenshots/46009/49208/
[05:09] <fatejudger> it keeps jerking around
[05:09] <fatejudger> it's really stupid
[05:09] <fatejudger> ever since Breezy came out...
[05:09] <jager> flurry, eh?
[05:09] <jager> i don't think that i have that screensaver
[05:09] <fatejudger> jager: it doesn't come by default
[05:09] <Rayman__> fatejudger, not sure. am the only linux user and didn't bother to install a viewer on windows.
[05:10] <jager> where do you get it?
[05:10] <fatejudger> jager: Adept
[05:10] <Rayman__> tried to telnet to 5901 with no luck, tho
[05:10] <fatejudger> jager: Universe I think
[05:10] <jager> ok
[05:10] <jager> i'm all about the good screensavers
[05:10] <Insomniac-> jager: does projectm have a ubuntu package?
[05:10] <jager> and the cool looking stuff
[05:10] <fatejudger> jager: I forget the name
[05:10] <fatejudger> jager: rss
[05:10] <_root> salve
[05:10] <jager> impresses the windows using rommates :)
[05:10] <fatejudger> jager: rss-glx I think
[05:10] <jager> ok thanks
[05:10] <_root> chi parla italiano?
[05:10] <jager> sorry root, no :(
[05:11] <Marco> ciao
[05:11] <Marco> ok?
[05:11] <fatejudger> Rayman__: firewall?
[05:11] <Marco> allora che parla itasliano?
[05:11] <Marco> italiano?
[05:11] <jager> no parlo
[05:11] <fatejudger> lol
[05:11] <fatejudger> I speak spanish
[05:11] <jager> hehe
[05:11] <fatejudger> one time I helped somebody in Spanish
[05:11] <fatejudger> it was really funny
[05:11] <Marco> ok...i speek english then
[05:11] <jager> i've helped a german before
[05:11] <Marco> i need help
[05:12] <jager> back and forth between irc and babelfish
[05:12] <jager> :)
[05:12] <fatejudger> I kept apologizing because I hadn't written it in like 2 years
[05:12] <jager> what's wrong marco?
[05:12] <jager> if i can help i will
[05:12] <Marco> i woul istall debian packages on my kubuntu...
[05:12] <fatejudger> Marco: that isn't a good idea
[05:12] <Marco> why?
[05:12] <fatejudger> Marco: it causes packages to break
[05:12] <fatejudger> Marco: small ones seem to be fine though
[05:13] <fatejudger> Marco: just don't install packages that other packages depend on
[05:13] <Marco> mmm becouse i need to istall apache+ssl
[05:13] <fatejudger> Marco: you can do that with the Kubuntu repos
[05:13] <fatejudger> Marco: did you stick all of the repos in the sources.list file?
[05:13] <Insomniac-> debian is nice to borrow source packages from though :)
[05:13] <Marco> speak more simply...
[05:14] <Insomniac-> enable the universe and multiverse package repositories in /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:15] <Marco> mmm ok so i go in that directory, i open the file...and then?
[05:15] <Rayman__> fatejudger, not that I know of. :|
[05:15] <Rayman__> then again, I don't know much
[05:15] <jager> fatejudger: i don't see flurry
[05:16] <jager> lots of new screensavers, but no flurry
[05:16] <fatejudger> jager: it's called rsx-glx
[05:16] <jager> yeah :(
[05:16] <jager> i installed that
[05:16] <jager> got new stuff
[05:16] <jager> helios, solarwinds, stuff that wasnt there before
[05:16] <jager> but no flurry :(
[05:16] <Insomniac-> Marco: uncomment the lines for universe and multiverse
[05:17] <jager> actually
[05:17] <jager> none of the new screensavers seem to do anything
[05:17] <Insomniac-> jager: do you have a xinerama setup?
[05:18] <jager> wow yeah goo guess
[05:18] <Insomniac-> i have the same problem
[05:18] <jager> dual head geforce2 using twinview
[05:18] <jager> rats
[05:18] <Insomniac-> hardly any screensaver seems to work here with xinerama
[05:18] <Insomniac-> geforce2 gts here
[05:18] <jager> the stock kde screeners do
[05:18] <Insomniac-> yeah but nothing else
[05:19] <jager> even the gl ones
[05:19] <jager> dammit
[05:19] <Insomniac-> strange thing is
[05:19] <jager> that sucks
[05:19] <Insomniac-> xscreensaver works
[05:19] <Insomniac-> but used with the kscreensaver module it doesn't
[05:19] <jager> well what the fuck then
[05:19] <Marco> ok thanx
[05:19] <jager> oh well
[05:20] <Insomniac-> something or somebody screwed up somewhere
[05:20] <jager> maybe someday it'll get fixed :(
[05:20] <jager> did you file a report?
[05:20] <Insomniac-> jager: running kde 3.4.3 or 3.5?
[05:20] <Insomniac-> no
[05:20] <jager> 3.4.3 atm
[05:20] <Insomniac-> same
[05:20] <jager> shall we upgrade?  :)
[05:20] <Insomniac-> i'm not going to
[05:21] <Insomniac-> i avoid major kde releases until all the major bugs are gone
[05:21] <jager> how come?
[05:21] <jager> prolly wise
[05:21] <Insomniac-> too many bad experiences
[05:21] <zaventh> hello all
[05:23] <jager> hi
[05:23] <jager> everyone needs to go out and install projectm right now
[05:23] <jager> becase it really kicks that much ass
[05:24] <jager> best visualization plugin for linux of all time
[05:24] <Insomniac-> does it have a package?
[05:24] <jager> no official package, alas
[05:24] <jager> but yes
[05:24] <jager> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-78179.html
[05:24] <jager> the packages mentioned by chaumurky are what i used
[05:25] <jager> and they worked fine
[05:25] <jager> YMM, of course, V
[05:25] <Insomniac-> as long as it's a package i can easily remove it if it doesn't :)
[05:25] <jager> i had a bitch of a time with it
[05:25] <jager> couldn't get it to work
[05:26] <jager> i installed ubintu specifically becuase of that post :)
[05:26] <jager> from mepis, not that different
[05:26] <jager> and it worked like a charm, first time
[05:26] <jager> go ubuntu
[05:26] <Insomniac-> can i skip the xmms package when using amarok?
[05:26] <jager> nope
[05:27] <jager> it'll just sho up in amarok as an xmms plugin
[05:27] <jager> you need it
[05:27] <kadmin> Hello guys 'n' girls
[05:27] <jager> hi kadmin
[05:27] <kadmin> (-;
[05:27] <kadmin> Hey
[05:29] <kadmin> Hello people. I'm a newby in Kubuntu and a progressive newby in Linux. I'm looking for someone to talking about Unix & Linux systems. would any body like to talk to me?
[05:30] <kadmin> ?
[05:30] <insanekane> kadmin: talk about what ?
[05:30] <kadmin> Ok, another question. Is here someone from germany?
[05:31] <insanekane> kadmin: try #kubuntu.de ? or #ubuntu.de ?
[05:31] <Insomniac-> jager: looks nice :)
[05:31] <TooSad> where can i see a sources.list for kubuntu?
[05:31] <jager> works?  cool beans :)
[05:31] <jager> i love it
[05:31] <kadmin> I would enjoy it to talk about the applikation The Gimp.
[05:31] <jager> it was the only thing amarok was missing
[05:31] <jager> now it's perfect
[05:31] <jager> woo
[05:31] <insanekane> TooSad: you mean you want to see where on your computer ? or you want more repos ?
[05:31] <TooSad> uno like http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/5467
[05:32] <TooSad> no
[05:32] <kkathman> anyone here using thunderbird integrated into Firefox?
[05:32] <TooSad> i want to make a sources new
[05:33] <LeeJunFan> so it's nice superkaramba is included with kde now, but what's the point when you can't download themes because kde-look is down? :)
[05:33] <jager> yeah, why is that down btw?
[05:33] <jager> anyone know?
[05:33] <kadmin> must go. see you later people.
[05:33] <TooSad> hola
[05:33] <jager> kadmin: you might try #kubuntu-de
[05:33] <jager> too late
[05:33] <jager> ah well
[05:33] <Insomniac-> LeeJunFan: not just kde-look but -apps and -files also
[05:34] <insanekane> !tell TooSad about repos
[05:34] <apachelogger> insanekane: it's #kubuntu-de btw ;-)
[05:34] <jager> hey i have a question
[05:34] <jager> i have a 160gm external firewire drive
[05:34] <jager> that i'd like to mount on boot
[05:34] <insanekane> apachelogger: aha ok :) thanks for the info :)
[05:34] <LeeJunFan> Insomniac-: yeah, I noticed that too.
[05:34] <jager> adding it to fstab fails becuase the filesystems are mounted before hotplug starts
[05:35] <jager> what's a good workaround|?
[05:35] <TooSad> i have replaced the sources.list with http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/5467
[05:35] <apachelogger> insanekane: :)
[05:35] <TooSad> and now?
[05:35] <Insomniac-> jager: set it to allow users to mount and mount it in some login script
[05:35] <Insomniac-> ugly but works
[05:36] <jager> users can mount it
[05:36] <jager> but!
[05:36] <jager> since it is in fstab i get this ugly ERROR on boot
[05:36] <jager> which sucks
[05:36] <Insomniac-> set it to noauto
[05:36] <Insomniac-> so it doesn't try to automount
[05:36] <jager> does kubuntu do rc.local?
[05:36] <jager> where do i put the script in other words
[05:36] <LeeJunFan> jager: no. it's /etc/boot.d or something.
[05:36] <Insomniac-> dunno i haven't looked at the initscripts yet
[05:37] <jager> ok i'll just goodle
[05:37] <jager> no bigie
[05:37] <TooSad> the repositories of kubuntu are the same of ubuntu?
[05:37] <jager> yes toosad
[05:37] <TooSad> oh
[05:37] <TooSad> tnx
[05:37] <Kimppa> Hello. I was wondering if someone could help me a bit. I'm having troubles with my sound device(s). For example, I have to reboot X, to get Skype to work. When I put amarok on, it says it has some kind of problems with xine-engine, and therefore uses artsengine. However, if I try to play anything, I won't get any sound out - amarok just freezes. To get amarok to work, I have to manually change the sound engine from arts back to xine :-|
[05:38] <Insomniac-> jager: you could make a initscript in /etc/init.d/ and symlink it in /etc/rc2.d/ as one of the last things to run
[05:38] <Kimppa> skype won't work, if some other software has been using the sound engine
[05:38] <Kimppa> I've set KDE to release the sound engine after 1 second of idle, but it didn't help
[05:38] <LeeJunFan> jager: it's /etc/rc.boot - a directory you put scripts / exe's in that get run on startup.
[05:38] <jager> hey thanks LeeJunFan
[05:38] <Kimppa> any ideas?
[05:38] <jager> that's just what iwas googling for
[05:41] <jager> brb reboot
[05:42] <insanekane> Kimppa: i have similiar problems ... i just disable sound, then re-enable it for it to work
[05:42] <insanekane> Kimppa: my problem is for Engima (the game)
[05:49] <Kimppa> how do I enable/disable the sound?
[05:49] <Stele> turn off/on speakers?
[05:49] <Kimppa> hehe :)
[05:49] <Stele> that's prob too obvious
[05:50] <Kimppa> I was referring to what insanekane said :)
[05:56] <TooSad> hao can upgrade amarok to the 1.3.7 version?
[05:56] <TooSad> how
[05:59] <Riddell> TooSad: see kubuntu.org
[06:01] <TooSad> mmm
[06:01] <TooSad> i don't see the solution...
[06:02] <arafat> TooSad: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/amarok-1.3.7.php
[06:03] <TooSad> ops
[06:03] <TooSad> i have another problem
[06:03] <TooSad> [4315464.025000]  atkbd.c: Unknown key pressed (translated set 2, code 0xaa on isa0060/serio0).
[06:03] <TooSad> [4315464.025000]  atkbd.c: Use 'setkeycodes e02a <keycode>' to make it known.
[06:06] <jager> grah
[06:06] <jager> i don't grok this rc.boot
[06:06] <jager> if i run the script manually i put in that dir it mounts my firewire drive
[06:06] <jager> but it does not run on boot like i thought it was supposed to
[06:07] <poningru> is sitter in here?
[06:07] <poningru> the kid from aus and on planet kde
[06:12] <ninHer> hi alll
[06:16] <Insomniac-> jager: maybe you need to specify /bin/mount instead of just mount
[06:16] <Insomniac-> the PATH var is probably not yet available
[06:16] <jager> script runs if i just do /etc/rc.boot/mountfire from the root prompt
[06:17] <jager> oh i see
[06:17] <jager> ok i'll specify paths
[06:18] <jager> reboot!  :)
[06:21] <jager> nope no worky
[06:21] <jager> dammit anyway
[06:21] <jager> i don't get it :(
[06:21] <Insomniac-> check whether rc.boot runs before or after the hotplug initscript
[06:21] <jager> after
[06:21] <jager> already looked at that
[06:22] <Insomniac-> what's your command line for mount?
[06:22] <jager>  /bin/mount /dev/sda1/ /mnt/flash
[06:22] <Insomniac-> hmm
[06:22] <Insomniac-> oh
[06:22] <Insomniac-> drop the /
[06:22] <Insomniac-> in the device
[06:23] <jager> ok reboot
[06:23] <jager> hahahaah
[06:23] <jager> this is fun :P
[06:24] <u19809> need some help with fglrx drivers xorgs on breezy and settup up dual head
[06:26] <u19809> need some help with fglrx drivers xorgs on breezy and settup up dual head
[06:26] <tictric> Folks, anybody able to tell me how to bring HAL to default settings for breezy? After an upgrade from hedgehog that's become a bit _disturbed_
[06:27] <jager> nope no love
[06:27] <jager> dunno :(
[06:28] <Insomniac-> jager: what does your mount line read now?
[06:28] <Insomniac-> s/read/look like/
[06:28] <jager>   /bin/mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/flash
[06:28] <jager> that's the only thing in the file btw
[06:28] <jager> just one line
[06:28] <zaventh> tictric: try "sudo apt-get install --reinstall hal" ?
[06:29] <Insomniac-> jager: where is your rc.boot anyway? my system doesn't have one
[06:29] <jager> i had to create it
[06:29] <jager> under /etc
[06:30] <Insomniac-> then it's not starting by default probably
[06:30] <tictric> zaventh: what do you mean with that question thingy? And reinstall wouldn't touch existent modifications
[06:31] <Insomniac-> jager: do this: ln -s /etc/rc.boot /etc/rc2.d/S99rc.boot
[06:31] <zaventh> tictric: i was asking if you had tried it. I was under the impression a reinstall overwrote any existing files
[06:32] <jager> sure
[06:32] <jager> reboot!
[06:33] <tictric> zaventh: If I want to reinstall ist I probably need to purge it beforehand because It will not touch existing configuration. But I don't know whats messing more round there. HAL or KDE?
[06:35] <zaventh> tictric: you could try that... I'm not too versed in the HAL... Usually when I screw stuff up I reinstall it and it works =p
[06:35] <tictric> I mean where's the settings that make that ****@!$ mount a cdrom to /media/cdrom0 or cdrom1 but complaining that media:/hdd couldn't be found.
[06:36] <zaventh> err fstab correct?
[06:36] <zaventh> hdd would be like your fourth hard drive
[06:36] <tictric> nope, it's set to noauto
[06:36] <tictric> That's why I ask :-)
[06:36] <zaventh> how many you got?
[06:37] <tictric> what, cdroms? hdc and hdd
[06:39] <Insomniac-> tictric: setting it to noauto doesn't stop kde from displaying the media window
[06:39] <zaventh> well... in my fstab on breezy my cd/dvd drives aren't in there
[06:39] <Insomniac-> neither does turning off the kded media service
[06:39] <zaventh> but they work fine
[06:39] <Insomniac-> if you find out how to turn it off let me know :)
[06:39] <jager> nope
[06:39] <jager> still no love
[06:39] <jager> i added a -t ext2 also
[06:39] <jager> no help either
[06:39] <Insomniac-> is /etc/rc.boot executable?
[06:40] <jager> the dir?
[06:40] <zaventh> er nevermind... wrong fstab =p
[06:40] <Insomniac-> i thought it was a file?
[06:40] <tictric> Insomniac-: yes but it also mounts it automagically. Which I don't actually appreciate
[06:40] <jager> it's a dir with a single file inside
[06:40] <Insomniac-> tictric: me neither but i can't find where to turn the crap off
[06:40] <Insomniac-> jager: then you just made the wrong symlink
[06:41] <jager> that's what i get for not paying atention :P
[06:41] <Insomniac-> jager: usually initscripts all go in /etc/init.d/
[06:41] <Insomniac-> with symlinks in /etc/rc?.d
[06:41] <Insomniac-> with ? being a number between 0 and 6 or so
[06:41] <Insomniac-> specifying at which runlevels which programs should execute
[06:41] <Insomniac-> move your file to /etc/init.d/
[06:42] <Insomniac-> and make a symlink in /etc/rc2.d
[06:42] <Insomniac-> starting it's name with S99
[06:42] <Insomniac-> so it starts as one of the last things
[06:42] <Insomniac-> i think runlevel 2 is the default ubuntu runlevel
[06:43] <Insomniac-> jager: you should write a proper initscript (use the current ones as an example)
[06:43] <Insomniac-> which supports start and stop
[06:44] <Insomniac-> otherwise it might not unmount properly if it kills stops before unmounting
[06:44] <Insomniac-> eh stopt hotplug*
[06:44] <Insomniac-> stops*
[06:44] <Insomniac-> i need coffee
[06:45] <Insomniac-> you just need a case statement with start and stop
[06:45] <Juerd_> Hey insomniac
[06:45] <Insomniac-> hey Juerd_ :)
[06:46] <_macke> hey! i need som sound help please in kubuntu 5.10 breezy
[06:50] <Insomniac-> jager: still there? :)
[06:54] <mrj> i have a question
[06:54] <mrj> i have on installation  chosen Macedonian language
[06:54] <mrj> now i have used kpersonalizer to change my KDE Desctop of English
[06:55] <mrj> but i still have all ohter stuff in macedonian, even the Consoles ...
[06:55] <mrj> PLEASE HELP ME !
[06:55] <Insomniac-> lol you selected a language you don't speak?
[06:56] <mrj> no i speak Bulgarian
[06:57] <mrj> though i am a bulgarian
[06:57] <mrj> but Macedonia is a part from Bulgaria
[06:57] <mrj> that was taken from us a long time ago
[06:57] <Insomniac-> ah
[06:58] <mrj> and the macedonian are nothing else but bulgarians, that think they are macedonian, but they speak bulgarian.
[06:58] <mrj> that is like US English and UK English
[06:58] <mrj> so i do not want any more to have my kUBUNTU in either in macedonian or in Bulgarian
[06:59] <mrj> i just wanna have english kubuntu :)
[06:59] <Insomniac-> i'd like to help you but i've never changed the system language before, i don't know which config file controls it
[06:59] <mrj> so could you PLEASE HELP ME
[06:59] <mrj> :) no problem
[07:00] <mrj> what country are you from ?
[07:00] <trekkor> Insomniac-: execshield?
[07:01] <Insomniac-> trekkor: never heard of it
[07:01] <mrj> trekkor:  ? what ?
[07:01] <mrj> trekkor:  do you know how to help me
[07:01] <Insomniac-> mrj: the netherlands
[07:01] <mrj> Insomniac-:  ah - you have a lot of joint there :P
[07:02] <LeeJunFan> dpkg-reconfigure locales
[07:02] <LeeJunFan> I think.
[07:02] <mrj> i am living now in Germany
[07:02] <mrj> LeeJunFan:  thanks man
[07:03] <LeeJunFan> mrj: no prob, hope that does the trick.
[07:04] <mrj> i hope that too
[07:04] <mrj> :)
[07:04] <mrj> i am new user to kubuntu
[07:05] <mrj> i used to work with slackware
[07:05] <mrj> but i needed to reconfigure it every time when i install it
[07:05] <_StarScream> mrj: i use slackware primarily too :)
[07:05] <mrj> slackware RULLZ
[07:06] <mrj> but is too .... much time to configure it
[07:06] <mrj> and
[07:06] <mrj> if you wanna have multilanguage .....
[07:06] <mrj> :)
[07:06] <mrj> just .....forgot about dre :)
[07:06] <mrj> hihi
[07:06] <_macke> Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8233/A/8235/8237 AC97 Audio Controller (rev 50)
[07:06] <mrj> but thought i now use kubunto i still LOVE Slackware
[07:06] <mrj> that is my first love
[07:06] <mrj> my truly love
[07:07] <mrj> :)
[07:07] <LeeJunFan> mrj: you might also need to install language-pack- and language-support packages, you should be able to find the ones you need with adept or synpatic.
[07:07] <LeeJunFan> mrj: get out more :)
[07:07] <_macke> can someone help me with sound trouble??
[07:07] <mrj> LeeJunFan: i think i installed that kind of stuff already at installation time
[07:07] <jager> hey Insomniac-
[07:08] <jager> fixing the symlink allowed the drive to boot :)
[07:08] <mrj> i was asked "do you wanna install ..blablabla package for support for your language"
[07:08] <jager> thanks for the help dude
[07:08] <mrj> LeeJunFan: i have another question bro
[07:08] <mrj> why does the F* apt-get not working by me
[07:09] <_macke> servers are down
[07:09] <mrj> why ?
[07:09] <mrj> all of them ?
[07:09] <_macke> dunno just what i was told
[07:09] <mrj> i just get a : connection refused
[07:09] <_macke> yeah me too
[07:09] <sio> oh... and there i am trying for two hours to connect
[07:09] <LeeJunFan> mrj: also, might want to check here for some info on the langs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LanguageSelector?highlight=%28language%29
[07:09] <sio> :p
[07:09] <_macke> :)
[07:10] <mrj> sio - lol
[07:10] <mrj> LeeJunFan: thanks again bro
[07:10] <_macke> can someone help me with sound trouble??
[07:10] <mrj> and i thought that this kubuntu distro sux, because no one single repository seems to work
[07:10] <Insomniac-> jager: also read what i wrote later on writing a proper initscript
[07:10] <_macke> i get very very low sound! and i have maxxed volume in kmix and aslammixer
[07:11] <LeeJunFan> us.archive.ubuntu.com seems to be up.
[07:11] <jager> where did you write that?
[07:11] <jager> in chan?
[07:11] <Insomniac-> yeah
[07:11] <Insomniac-> scroll up
[07:11] <mrj> _macke:  VIA sound on BOARD ?
[07:11] <_macke> yepp
[07:11] <_macke> Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8233/A/8235/8237 AC97 Audio Controller (rev 50)
[07:11] <jager> blah don't see it
[07:11] <mrj> _macke:  alsamixer - ant then look the last setting ......
[07:11] <mrj> they are 4 of them
[07:11] <jager> too many reboots no doubt
[07:11] <mrj> VXD
[07:11] <mrj> or VHD
[07:11] <mrj> something
[07:12] <mrj> you need to increase their volume too
[07:12] <mrj> i have had the same problem
[07:12] <mrj> shit
[07:12] <_macke> macke@Datorn:~$ alsamixer -ant
[07:12] <_macke> alsamixer: invalid option -- a
[07:12] <mrj> that was wrong
[07:13] <mrj> i just saw the alsamixer  - it is some new version
[07:13] <mrj> ....
[07:13] <Insomniac-> jager: http://tnx.nl/4341EZZR
[07:14] <LeeJunFan> ubotu tell mrj about languages
[07:14] <jager> thanks for the tip Insomniac-
[07:15] <_macke> mrj: anymore tips?
[07:17] <phrocker> make: *** /lib/modules/2.6.12-10-386/build: File or directory not found. Stop.
[07:17] <phrocker> what package install this directory "build" ?
[07:17] <LeeJunFan> phrocker: linux-headers I think.
[07:18] <LeeJunFan> phrocker: sudo apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r`
[07:19] <phrocker> not exist linux-headers-2.6.12-10-386
[07:19] <phrocker> only linux-headers-2.6.12-9 :(
[07:19] <emidio> Hi, I just finished installing kubuntu and wish to have more packages available to install. I am aware of synaptic but how to install it?
[07:20] <LeeJunFan> try w/o the -386 part.
[07:20] <LeeJunFan> emidio: you don't need that, use adept
[07:20] <LeeJunFan> ubotu: tell emidio about adept
[07:20] <mrj> _macke : no idea - i uset to do it throught alsamixer
[07:21] <mrj> but still it is different i do not know
[07:21] <mrj> and i do not have yet xmms to test sound :)
[07:21] <mrj> ! xmms
[07:21] <ubotu> I guess xmms is to get xmms to work in Ubuntu Hoary, set the output plugin to eSound (right-click on the XMMS window, then choose Options -> Preferences)
[07:21] <mrj> ! xmms install
[07:21] <ubotu> mrj: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
[07:21] <mrj> !xmms install
[07:21] <ubotu> mrj: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
[07:21] <LeeJunFan> ooh, bad info for kubuntu, don't use ESD.
[07:22] <emidio> yes but how do I enhance the database? Do I have to work on the file named /etc/apt/sources.list?
[07:22] <mrj> !xmms-install
[07:22] <ubotu> mrj: I haven't a clue
[07:22] <mrj> !mp3
[07:22] <ubotu> [mp3]  a non-free format. To enable mp3 capability, read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[07:22] <Glin|Jol> Winamp  5.11 Stopped
[07:22] <LeeJunFan> ubotu: tell emidio about repos
[07:23] <LeeJunFan> emidio: under adept menu "adept" you can "manage repositories".
[07:23] <emidio> LeeJunFan: why manuals and also what you provided me with info, all refer to System Configuration -> Synaptic Package Manager? Where do I get it even if you say not to use it?
[07:24] <LeeJunFan> emidio: just use adept for kubuntu, it's because ubotu is more ubuntu centric. Click the adept menu, then choose to manage repositories.
[07:24] <LeeJunFan> emidio: you can install synaptic probably even from adept.
[07:24] <emidio> do I need synaptic installed?
[07:25] <LeeJunFan> emidio: no, adept is basically synaptic.
[07:25] <emidio> ok. now I get this part.
[07:25] <LeeJunFan> emidio: only it's made for KDE instead of gnome/gtk.
[07:25] <kkathman> no...synaptic, kynaptic and adept are just front ends for the underlying system
[07:26] <emidio> once I select Manage repositories, I get another windows with Type, url, Distribution, components. A list with all comments gray color. What do I have to do?
[07:27] <phrocker> LeeJunFan, directory build is a symbolic link to kernel source (/usr/src/`uname -r`) :)
[07:27] <emidio> Do I just select a line, right click and select enable?
[07:27] <emidio> If so, what the criteria for selecting?
[07:27] <emidio> Any idea?
[07:28] <LeeJunFan> emidio: yeah, basically you want to enable everythign that's not a src.
[07:28] <emidio> all deb Type, then right?
[07:29] <LeeJunFan> emidio: yeah.
[07:29] <emidio> once I have selected them I click Fetch  Updates, right?
[07:29] <LeeJunFan> emidio: yes.
[07:30] <mrj> LeeJunFan:  could you tell me repositories that i could add in /etc/apt/sources.list so i could have apt-get working ?
[07:30] <Insomniac-> !sources
[07:30] <ubotu> A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 (Hoary) or http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2325 (Breezy) - Create your own sources.list at http://ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[07:30] <mrj> WOW
[07:31] <mrj> THANKS !:)
[07:31] <Insomniac-> don't thank me, thank whoever wrote/operates ubotu
[07:32] <emidio> I am still not being able to find any package like xchat or mozilla-firefox. Is this possible?
[07:34] <mrj> hey
[07:34] <mrj> Insomniac-:
[07:35] <mrj> Insomniac-:  i have used the example sources.list but i become a error screen
[07:35] <mrj> or warnings screen
[07:35] <Insomniac-> you become an error?
[07:35] <mrj> should i post what i become
[07:35] <mrj> yep
[07:35] <emidio> LeeJunFan: how come I still do not find any xchat or mozilla-firefox package?
[07:35] <mrj> dev/hdb1       /media/hdb1     vfat    defaults,umask=000        0       0
[07:35] <mrj> /dev/hdb5       /media/hdb5     vfat    defaults,umask=000        0       0
[07:35] <mrj> opla
[07:35] <mrj> :)
[07:35] <mrj> not that
[07:36] <mrj> root@o106:/home/mrj# apt-cache search xmms
[07:36] <Insomniac-> brb getting more coffee
[07:36] <mrj> libflac7 - Free Lossless Audio Codec - runtime C library
[07:36] <mrj> kopete - instant messenger for KDE
[07:36] <mrj> liboggflac3 - Free Lossless Audio Codec - runtime C library (ogg)
[07:36] <LeeJunFan> emidio: I dunno. try running sudo apt-get update from the command line, and see if you have any errors.
[07:36] <mrj> amarok - versatile and easy to use audio player for KDE
[07:36] <Insomniac-> did you run apt-get update?
[07:36] <mrj> libflac++5c2 - Free Lossless Audio Codec - C++ runtime library
[07:36] <mrj> libmodplug0c2 - shared libraries for mod music based on ModPlug
[07:36] <mrj> W: Couldn't stat source package list http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_hoary_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[07:36] <mrj> W: Couldn't stat source package list http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary/restricted Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_hoary_restricted_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[07:36] <mrj> o become that
[07:36] <mrj> and so on
[07:36] <mrj> i will try
[07:36] <Insomniac-> after changing the sources.list you need to run apt-get update
[07:37] <mrj>     
[07:37] <mrj> 
[07:37] <bhsx> Hi there... I just autoconf'd a svn package and now i'm trying to "make" it.  Kubuntu is telling me:bash: make: command not found
[07:38] <bhsx> is that possible?
[07:38] <darkheart> bhsx: Try install build-essential package.
[07:38] <mrj> Insomniac-: help
[07:38] <bhsx> i'll try that, thanks
[07:38] <Insomniac-> mrj: type this into a konsole: sudo apt-get update
[07:38] <mrj> wow how have i changed my keyboard layout
[07:38] <mrj> i was in panic :)
[07:39] <mrj> a have typed apt-get update with the root
[07:39] <bhsx> that did it, thanks darkheart
[07:39] <darkheart> bhsx: np
[07:39] <bhsx> not be a whiner, but why on earth would it ship without a working make?
[07:39] <bhsx> that just seems like a poor choice
[07:40] <Insomniac-> mrj: you should now be able to install the packages you're looking for
[07:40] <darkheart> bhsx: Since ubuntu is actively worked on, most packages are up to date and the average user wouldn't need to build anything I guess.
[07:40] <mrj> when i write sudo "kommand" a am asked to type my root password
[07:40] <mrj> and when i type it it says : sorry, try again
[07:41] <mrj> but my root pass is correct ?!?
[07:41] <mrj> what that means
[07:41] <Insomniac-> maybe that has to do with your keyboard layout changing?
[07:41] <mrj> hm
[07:41] <hugelmopf> mrj: even if it tells you, you are _not_ supposed to type your _root_ password
[07:42] <hugelmopf> but the password of the user, who is trying to sudo
[07:42] <mrj> aah
[07:42] <mrj> :)
[07:42] <mrj> thanks
[07:42] <bhsx> are you trying to "su" or are you really using sudo?
[07:42] <mrj> clever
[07:42] <bhsx> i think users aren't allowed to su by default
[07:42] <hugelmopf> mrj: i am not sure why it is telling you to type the root password. for me it just says "Password:"
[07:42] <jager> i still don't grok the idea behind that
[07:42] <mrj> yes it says me the same
[07:42] <mrj> i am stupido :)
[07:42] <jager> not having a root paswd i mean
[07:43] <hugelmopf> guys, please read the wiki, there is a lenghty discussion/explanation about "root accout vs. sudo"
[07:43] <mrj> but i still can not run apt-get update
[07:43] <mrj> even when i typed the pass
[07:43] <mrj> i become errors
[07:43] <jager> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[07:44] <mrj> rj@o106:~$ sudo apt-get update
[07:44] <mrj> Password:
[07:44] <mrj> Err http://security.ubuntu.com hoary-security Release.gpg
[07:44] <mrj>   Could not connect to security.ubuntu.com:80 (82.211.81.138). - connect (111 Connection refused)
[07:44] <mrj> Ign http://security.ubuntu.com hoary-security Release
[07:44] <hugelmopf> mrj: if you want somebody to help you with the errors, go to http://kubuntu.pastebin.com and paste them there!
[07:44] <mrj> Ign http://security.ubuntu.com hoary-security/main Packages
[07:44] <mrj> Ign http://security.ubuntu.com hoary-security/restricted Packages
[07:44] <mrj> Ign http://security.ubuntu.com hoary-security/universe Packages
[07:44] <mrj> Ign http://security.ubuntu.com hoary-security/multiverse Packages
[07:44] <mrj> Err http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary Release.gpg
[07:44] <mrj>   Could not connect to archive.ubuntu.com:80 (82.211.81.182). - connect (111 Connection refused) [IP: 82.211.81.182 80] 
[07:44] <mrj> Err http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary-updates Release.gpg
[07:44] <mrj>   Could not connect to archive.ubuntu.com:80 (82.211.81.182). - connect (111 Connection refused) [IP: 82.211.81.182 80] 
[07:44] <mrj> Ign http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary Release
[07:45] <mrj> Ign http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary-updates Release
[07:45] <bhsx> lol, or, um, just paste them here  ;)
[07:45] <mrj> Ign http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary/main Packages
[07:45] <mrj> Ign http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary/restricted Packages
[07:45] <mrj> Err http://security.ubuntu.com hoary-security/main Packages
[07:45] <mrj>   Could not connect to security.ubuntu.com:80 (82.211.81.138). - connect (111 Connection refused)
[07:45] <mrj> Err http://security.ubuntu.com hoary-security/restricted Packages
[07:45] <bhsx> stop
[07:45] <mrj>   Could not connect to security.u
[07:45] <mrj> and then the same
[07:45] <mrj> thanks
[07:45] <mrj> :)
[07:45] <hugelmopf> mrj: you just made a mistake. you are not supposed to paste into the channel. please read above.
[07:45] <jager> neat wiki article
[07:45] <jager> thanks for the pointer
[07:46] <Insomniac-> mrj: be careful using breezy packages on hoary
[07:46] <Insomniac-> you can upgrade but it might also break stuff if you just install apps this way
[07:47] <mrj> sorry for the PASTE stuff
[07:48] <mrj> Insomniac-: what do you mean with breezy and hoary ?
[07:48] <hugelmopf> mrj: are you using Kubuntu Breezy or Kubuntu Hoary?
[07:48] <mrj> how can i see that ?
[07:48] <hugelmopf> well, which version did you install? (when did you install your system?)
[07:49] <hugelmopf> try "cat /etc/issue"
[07:49] <mrj> breezy
[07:49] <mrj> ubuntu 5.10 breezy
[07:49] <hugelmopf> ok, then i do not understand, why all these hoary-sources are in your /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:49] <hugelmopf> did you put them there?
[07:49] <mrj> yes
[07:50] <mrj> in this channel i was given the URL
[07:50] <hugelmopf> please paste your /etc/apt/sources.list into the pastebin and i will look at it
[07:50] <darkheart> Someone gave you the wrong list.
[07:50] <mrj> and i have just downloaded the example sources.list file
[07:50] <hugelmopf> mrj: seems like an outdated one.
[07:50] <mrj> ok  hugelmopf  my name is Georgi Dimitrov
[07:51] <darkheart> !tell mrj about sources
[07:53] <hugelmopf> mrj: do you figure it out yourself, or do you want to post your /etc/apt/sources.list into the pastebin?
[07:55] <mrj> ah i have posted already
[07:55] <mrj> the ecample that i have downlaoded
[07:55] <mrj> and the original sources.list file
[07:55] <mrj> but i have had the same problem with the original
[07:57] <Spudchat> kde 3.5 is damn nice
[07:57] <hugelmopf> mrj: which country are you in? i will post you a correct source.list
[07:57] <Insomniac-> Spudchat: not having problems with kicker crashing on logout and such?
[07:58] <mrj> Germany
[07:58] <Spudchat> the only problem i have is that it doesnt save my session between reboots
[07:58] <LeeJunFan> Insomniac-: I don't have that problem on mine.
[07:58] <LeeJunFan> Spudchat: don't have that problem either.
[07:59] <kkathman> funny its like about 10-15% of 3.5 upgrades seem to go ok
[07:59] <kkathman> the rest are major problems :)
[07:59] <mrj> hugelmopf: i am in Germany
[08:00] <LeeJunFan> kkathman: went' okay on my i386 and my amd64 installs.
[08:00] <kkathman> you are part of the 10-15% :)
[08:00] <kkathman> as you know..we got a ton of people that upgraded and had terrible issues
[08:00] <LeeJunFan> kkathman: ah, it goes okay for 10-15% of the people :) It's probably got more to do with stuff lingering in the ${HOME}/.kde dirs.
[08:01] <kkathman> LeeJunFan: I dont think so...its more than that
[08:01] <kkathman> most probs have to do with apps not acting right
[08:01] <kkathman> Konq especially
[08:01] <kkathman> those that got "left behind"
[08:01] <Insomniac-> maybe it's an issue when upgrading kde while running kde?
[08:02] <kkathman> I didnt even bother..there wasnt enough in 3.5 over 3.4.3 to make me bother :)
[08:02] <hugelmopf> mrj: try that one http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/461209, do "sudo apt-get update" and if errors appear again, paste them to the pastebin
[08:03] <kkathman> personally I'll probably stay on 3.4.3 until  4.0 or..until dapper comes out and all the kinks have been cleaned up
[08:03] <Insomniac-> it could also be the qt 3.3.5 qlistview bug
[08:04] <kkathman> I know that alot of people who upgraded, downgraded within a week or less
[08:04] <Insomniac-> "Every Linux distro that uses qt 3.3.5 with the "qlistview" bug will have problems when a (kde)-application calls the buggy "qlistview" function of qt 3.3.5  Not only krusader but every (kde)-application that calls the "qlistview" function in the affected libqt3-mt library."
[08:04] <mrj> again error
[08:04] <mrj> hugelmopf: i am behind a proxy
[08:04] <mrj> probably is that the problem ?
[08:05] <Insomniac-> that explained one of my kde issues
[08:05] <kkathman> Insomniac-: yep
[08:06] <Spudchat> how do i list all the pci cards in my machine?
[08:06] <ClayG> guys someone remind me how fast a t1 is?
[08:06] <Insomniac-> Spudchat: lspci
[08:06] <hugelmopf> mrj: yes, you will have to set up APT to use a proxy
[08:06] <LeeJunFan> kkathman: one issue I have with 3.5 that's almost enough to get me to go back to 3.4.3 is that I have problems printing or emailing html from konqueror.
[08:06] <Spudchat> thanks
[08:06] <kkathman> Spudchat: lspci
[08:07] <Spudchat> i was tryin pcils eheh
[08:07] <mrj> hugelmopf: what config file should i edit
[08:07] <kkathman> LeeJunFan: yes I have heard of many konq probs
[08:07] <hugelmopf> mrj: i am looking for it right now
[08:07] <LeeJunFan> kkathman: since the billing system I wrote for my company is PHP/Mysql based that can be a pain when I want to send someone a copy of an invoice.
[08:07] <kkathman> lol
[08:07] <mrj> hugelmopf: /etc/apt.conf.d ?
[08:07] <kkathman> LeeJunFan:  I was going to write a Billing System in PHP/MySQL recently
[08:08] <mrj> hugelmopf: /etc/apt/apt.conf.d ?
[08:08] <kkathman> just for me and my small company
[08:08] <mrj> hm that is a dir
[08:08] <kkathman> but I talked myself out of it
[08:08] <kkathman> hehe
[08:09] <kkathman> LeeJunFan: do you use any graphical database design tools..i.e. for ERD creation or do you do it all by hand?
[08:09] <Insomniac-> hopefully fixed packages or 3.5.1 will appear soon
[08:09] <hugelmopf> mrj: yes, some file in there. i am trying to find out, what you have to put there.
[08:09] <kkathman> Insomniac-: I had thought there wouldnt be a 3.5.x at all....that 3.5 was the ONLY other release to be out before 4.0
[08:10] <Insomniac-> kkathman: hmm
[08:10] <LeeJunFan> kkathman: by hand.
[08:10] <kkathman> Insomniac-: thats just what I gleaned from various discusssions
[08:10] <LeeJunFan> kkathman: the only devel tool I use for mysql is ssh :)
[08:11] <hugelmopf> mrj: look at this thread http://www.kubuntu.de/forum/forum.php?req=thread&id=593
[08:11] <kkathman> LeeJunFan: what do you use ssh for?
[08:11] <Insomniac-> if that's the case i'll also wait for 4.0 ... or 4.0.1 maybe
[08:11] <LeeJunFan> kkathman: to ssh to my servers where the databases reside. I DO use quanta for web devel.
[08:11] <kkathman> Insomniac-: I have heard conflicting info on when 4.0 was coming out too. All I know is that 3.5 will be on Dapper
[08:12] <kkathman> LeeJunFan: yes I do also use Quanta+ version 3.4
[08:12] <Insomniac-> kkathman: hopefully when it's done
[08:12] <kkathman> lol
[08:12] <Insomniac-> done cooking
[08:12] <Insomniac-> hehe
[08:13] <kkathman> Insomniac-: alot of people using linuix love to tinker and play..break things and fix em.  Me I like things to be very stable :)
[08:14] <Insomniac-> same here.. i want to use my system, not continually fix stuff
[08:14] <mrj> hugelmopf: thanks , are you German?
[08:14] <mrj> i will look at it
[08:14] <kkathman> hehe
[08:14] <hugelmopf> mrj: i think i pasted something into the pastebin, which  might help.cannot try it though.
[08:15] <LeeJunFan> yay! my customers past due payments are officially below my monthly income! I'm no longer more than a month behind in payments owed me! :)
[08:16] <LeeJunFan> maybe my kids can get christmas presents afer all. hehehe
[08:16] <Insomniac-> nice
[08:16] <Insomniac-> can't you get people to pay up front? saves a lot of trouble
[08:17] <LeeJunFan> Insomniac-: I bill up front, but there were a lot of people who still hadn't payed until the next bill came.
[08:17] <LeeJunFan> Insomniac-: My new years resolution is going to be not to be a nice guy any more, and shut people off before the next bill.
[08:18] <mrj> juhuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu
[08:18] <Insomniac-> exactly
[08:18] <mrj> WOW WOW WOW
[08:18] <hugelmopf> :-)
[08:18] <mrj> hugelmopf:  !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[08:18] <Insomniac-> get rid of people who don't pay up rather sooner than later
[08:18] <LeeJunFan> I want candy.
[08:18] <mrj> you ARE THE BEST !
[08:18] <LeeJunFan> oh wait, that's BOW WOW WOW.
[08:18] <mrj> BEER FOR EVERYONE !
[08:18] <darkheart> I'm there.
[08:19] <mrj> :)))))))))))))))))))))
[08:19] <mrj> wooooooooooooow
[08:19] <hugelmopf> heh... come on. that was only a minor problem ;-)
[08:19] <hugelmopf> apt-get update worked now?
[08:19] <mrj> shit and i have already tested it but not with http://proxy
[08:19] <mrj> only with proxy
[08:19] <mrj> shit
[08:19] <mrj> a am so stupido
[08:19] <mrj> :)
[08:19] <mrj> I am
[08:20] <mrj> yes yes yes
[08:20] <mrj> YEEE
[08:20] <mrj> worked
[08:20] <mrj> i am so happy
[08:20] <hugelmopf> we notice ;-)
[08:20] <mrj> ja klar war dies
[08:20] <mrj> yes indeed it was a minor problem
[08:20] <mrj> but i was stuck with it
[08:20] <mrj> thank you for the help
[08:21] <mrj> hugelmopf:  do you speak German ? or are you from Germany too ?
[08:21] <hugelmopf> (yes i speak german and am from germany) in case you did it with the "export" version: this is only temporary.
[08:23] <hugelmopf> i.e. you need to add that "export ..." line to your /etc/profile to make it last over a reboot
[08:23] <mrj> just a moment
[08:23] <hugelmopf> if you created the /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/proxy file, it will be fine
[08:23] <mrj> i have encouraged an error
[08:24] <mrj> with the line deb cdrom:[Kubuntu 5.10 _Breezy Badger_ - Release i386 (20051012)] / breezy main restricted
[08:24] <mrj> but i have commented it and it works now
[08:24] <hugelmopf> mrj: if you have a fairly fast connection, you might as well remove that line
[08:24] <mrj> aha
[08:25] <mrj> i have let's say 1-2 Mbyte/s
[08:25] <mrj> :)
[08:25] <mrj> not Mbit - Mbyte
[08:25] <mrj> !:)
[08:25] <ubotu> mrj: Syntax error in line 1
[08:25] <mrj> is that fast enough :)
[08:25] <hugelmopf> sure is. ;-)
[08:26] <mrj> thank you gyus
[08:26] <mrj> hugelmopf: danke dir kumpel
[08:26] <hugelmopf> you're welcome. have fun with kubuntu...
[08:26] <mrj> hugelmopf:  how am i supposed to create the proxy file
[08:26] <mrj> what should i write within
[08:27] <mrj> the same  - export bla bla bla ?
[08:27] <mrj> or it has a different syntax
[08:27] <hugelmopf> mrj: look at http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/461227 but i have not tried it myself
[08:27] <mrj> thanks again :)
[08:47] <devman> is www.kubuntu.org down for the evening?
[08:48] <LeeJunFan> I get it fine. kubuntu.org that is.
[08:48] <devman> ok problems out from norway then
[08:49] <slow-motion> hallo
[08:51] <mrj> hey boys
[08:51] <mrj> how to start the samab server ?
[08:51] <mrj> i have shared some stuff
[08:51] <mrj> i configured /etc/samba/smb.conf
[08:52] <mrj> samba*
[08:53] <Insomniac-> mrj: /etc/init.d/samba start
[08:53] <hugelmopf> sudo that
[08:54] <Insomniac-> eh right
[08:54] <Insomniac-> i'm getting sleepy
[08:54] <Insomniac-> heh
[08:55] <mrj> :)
[08:55] <mrj> thanks
[08:57] <Insomniac-> kick me when i start giving bad advice ;)
[08:58] <mrj> Insomniac-:  :) for you only free beer :)
[08:58] <aaale> is there someone that got an audigy 2 or 4
[08:58] <aaale> =
[08:58] <aaale> ?
[08:58] <mrj> me not
[08:58] <mrj> :)
[08:58] <aaale> :/
[09:12] <cvardar> does anybody know GUI for subversion under K environment?
[09:13] <Aapzak> evenin' leute
[09:14] <jager> kdesvn
[09:14] <Aapzak> thanks
[09:14] <Aapzak> :)
[09:14] <jager> esvn is a qt client
[09:14] <jager> fwiw
[09:14] <manveru> cvardar: esvn
[09:14] <manveru> ^^
[09:14] <jager> :)
[09:15] <Aapzak> I dunno the question, but kdesvn is nice
[09:15] <manveru> have to try that next time
[09:16] <Aapzak> although svn is so easy, you hardly ever need a gui
[09:16] <manveru> well, i'd rather stick with darcs
[09:16] <manveru> but svn is prefered of quite some projects
[09:17] <Aapzak> svn is lovely, dunno darcs though
[09:17] <Aapzak> I recently checked out trac, which combines, svn with a project page, wiki and more stuff, pretty good combination of stuff
[09:17] <Aapzak> thatone uses svn
[09:18] <manveru> yeah, have some in use as well
[09:18] <manveru> trac is pretty advanced stuff :)
[09:18] <Aapzak> trac sites?
[09:18] <jager> why does my opengl performance suck so bad?  my gl screensavers barely move
[09:19] <Aapzak> do you have hardware accelerated opengl?
[09:19] <jager> what are some things i could look at?  geforce2 dualhead, 7676 nvidia drivers
[09:19] <Insomniac-> jager: nvidia opengl and xinerama don't play nice together, try without xinerama
[09:19] <jager> supposed to be accelerated, Aapzak, but i can't tell it from watching.  it's sloooooow
[09:19] <Aapzak> aha
[09:20] <Aapzak> jager has xinerama?
[09:20] <jager> think i'm using twinview rather than xinerama
[09:21] <Aapzak> have you tried glxgears?
[09:21] <Insomniac-> try without twinview, see what happens
[09:21] <jager> yeahno references to xinerama in xorg.conf
[09:21] <Aapzak> can you tell us your score?
[09:21] <jager> lets try it real fast
[09:21] <jager> 1 sec
[09:21] <Insomniac-> Aapzak: glxgears isn't a very good test, it runs like crap here, yet quake 3 flies
[09:21] <jager> it's running like crap :)  gears barely spin
[09:22] <jager> should print a score in konsole, yes?
[09:22] <jager> no score yet ... waiting
[09:22] <jager> seem to reember it giving scores more or less immediately
[09:22] <jager> no scores though
[09:23] <hugelmopf> jager: it does not print a score by default. there is some awkwardly long parameter to enable that.
[09:23] <jager> i see
[09:23] <jager> grah 1 sec then
[09:23] <jager> oh nice no man page
[09:23] <jager> fuckers
[09:24] <hugelmopf> glxgears -iacknowledgethatthistoolisnotabenchmark
[09:24] <Insomniac-> jager: i suggest using an actual opengl application instead of glxgears
[09:24] <jager> no shit
[09:24] <jager> hahaha
[09:24] <Insomniac-> try supertux, that's a fun game
[09:24] <Aapzak> :)
[09:24] <jjesse> through odbc can i connect to two different databases for base?
[09:24] <jjesse> so can i create a form that pulls information from two databases (mysql)
[09:24] <jager> jag@stormbringer:~$ glxgears -iacknowledgethatthistoolisnotabenchmark
[09:24] <jager> 2056 frames in 5.0 seconds = 411.132 FPS
[09:25] <jager> that slow?
[09:25] <jager> seems slow
[09:25] <Aapzak> I think thats bad enough to say you have no hardware acceleration
[09:25] <jager> i thought the nvidia driver enabled acceleration?
[09:25] <jager> supertux &
[09:25] <jager> ack
[09:25] <hugelmopf> jager: probably the wording of that parameter is trying to tell you something?
[09:25] <_frank> jager: try    glxinfo | grep direct
[09:26] <Insomniac-> yeah see whether direct rendering is enabled
[09:26] <jager> supertux is gl?
[09:26] <jager> doesn't look gl
[09:26] <jager> direct rendering: Yes
[09:26] <jager> is that good or bad? :)
[09:26] <Insomniac-> that's good
[09:26] <_frank> jager: that's good
[09:26] <jager> hrm
[09:27] <hugelmopf> jager: you can choose the opengl-option of supertux
[09:27] <jager> ah
[09:27] <jager> let's try that
[09:27] <Insomniac-> supertux --opengl
[09:27] <hugelmopf> for me (no hardware acceleration) it gets _really_ slow when i use that
[09:28] <Aapzak> jager, do you have glxinfo?
[09:28] <jager> yes
[09:28] <Aapzak> try :
[09:28] <Aapzak> glxinfo |grep -i opengl
[09:28] <jager> OpenGL vendor string: NVIDIA Corporation
[09:28] <jager> OpenGL renderer string: GeForce2 MX/AGP/SSE/3DNOW!
[09:28] <jager> OpenGL version string: 1.5.3 NVIDIA 76.67
[09:28] <jager> OpenGL extensions:
[09:29] <Aapzak> allright, you're not running the software mesa renderer
[09:29] <jager> and that's good?
[09:29] <Aapzak> yes
[09:29] <jager> heh
[09:29] <jager> good!
[09:30] <Aapzak> but now we have to figure out why its slow. you use both heads on the card, right?
[09:30] <Insomniac-> i think twinview is the cause
[09:31] <Insomniac-> on my system opengl performance is very poor with xinerama enabled
[09:31] <Aapzak> it probably is, try with only 1 screen jager and see what happens
[09:31] <jager> i've run this screensaver on this configuration before though
[09:31] <jager> last time i used mepis though, not ubuntu
[09:31] <jager> sure i can do that...
[09:31] <jager> gimme a moment
[09:31] <Aapzak> I will :)
[09:32] <Insomniac-> does X have any functions to enable/disable monitors without restarting X?
[09:32] <jager> not that i'm aware of
[09:32] <Insomniac-> i hate having to restart X when i want to use tvout :(
[09:32] <jager> brb restart X
[09:35] <jager> yet
[09:35] <jager> yep good call
[09:35] <jager> much faster
[09:35] <jager> so what, do i just assume that xorg sucks at dual head and xfree is better at it?
[09:36] <Insomniac-> nah
[09:36] <Insomniac-> windows has the same problem
[09:36] <jager> and yet this worked ok last week under mpeis
[09:36] <jager> mepis
[09:36] <Insomniac-> weird
[09:36] <jager> that's what i'm saying :)
[09:37] <jager> grah goddammit
[09:37] <jager> mouse keeps dropping out, i think i need a new one
[09:39] <hussam> Riddell: Hi, thanks for patching the kde 3.4.3 kdegraphics breezy packages. I know I'm pushing it but is it possible that you might update those packages as well? http://kubuntu.org/packages/koffice142/
[09:39] <Aapzak> I don't like screensavers anyway
[09:40] <jager> i have to keep up with my roomies windows eyecandy ;)
[09:40] <Aapzak> its stupid
[09:40] <Aapzak> :)
[09:40] <jager> granted
[09:40] <Aapzak> energy consuming for nothing
[09:40] <jager> still should work though
[09:40] <Aapzak> yes
[09:41] <Riddell> hussam: you're using hoary?
[09:41] <Insomniac-> jager: do your screensavers work without twinview?
[09:41] <jager> yep
[09:41] <Aapzak> KDE screensavers?
[09:42] <jager> non kde screensavers pretty much just don't work at all with twinview
[09:42] <jager> dunno why that it
[09:42] <jager> is
[09:42] <Insomniac-> they do if you start xscreensaver manually
[09:42] <Insomniac-> that's the weird part
[09:42] <jager> hrm
[09:42] <Insomniac-> somewhere in the link to the kde screensaver part something screws up
[09:46] <LeeJunFan> jager: if you have to keep up with your windows roomies eye candy then the only screensaver you need is the blue screen of death one.
[09:46] <jager> muahaha
[09:47] <jager> brb restart x
[09:47] <Insomniac-> LeeJunFan: that's one of the ones that don't seem to work with xinerama/twinview :/
[09:50] <jager> grrrr
[09:50] <jager> i nkow this should work
[09:50] <runtema> what?
[09:50] <jager> dual head opengl screensavers
[09:57] <Insomniac-> yeah it sucks
[09:58] <Insomniac-> if X only had the option to disable/enable the secondary monitor without restarting, it would be much less of a problem
[09:58] <jager> i'm going to make thgis work
[09:58] <jager> I SWEAR UPON THE GRAVES OF MY FOREFATHERS
[09:58] <jager> hehe
[09:58] <Insomniac-> hehe
[09:58] <Insomniac-> i gave up
[09:59] <jager> never!
[09:59] <Insomniac-> i have to reboot into wintendo for most games anyway
[09:59] <jager> fuck that too
[09:59] <jager> that's why i have a game console :)
[09:59] <Insomniac-> i don't unfortunately
[10:00] <Insomniac-> did you see www.smashmyxbox.com?
[10:01] <jager> i think i heard about it
[10:02] <jager> some one filmed buying an xbox and smashing it in front of the sheep?
[10:02] <Insomniac-> bingo
[10:02] <jager> personally, i think that's fucking hilarious :)
[10:02] <jager> sort ofa spendy joke though, eh?
[10:02] <Insomniac-> not for them, people donated
[10:02] <jager> shit that's even better
[10:02] <jager> mauahah
[10:03] <Insomniac-> there's a list of about 40 people on the site
[10:03] <jager> brb
[10:03] <jager> yet another X restart
[10:06] <jager> nope
[10:06] <jager> don't be jealous
[10:07] <jager> i know i'm the fucking man
[10:07] <jager> you don't have to beg, there's enough of me to go around
[10:07] <jager> in other words, it works as expected now
[10:07] <jager> woo
[10:07] <Insomniac-> you figured it out?
[10:08] <Insomniac-> cool.. what was the problem?
[10:08] <jager> it's still less than optimal at 24bit, but it works great at 16
[10:08] <jager> 1000000x better than before though
[10:08] <jager> even at 24 bit
[10:09] <Insomniac-> do the screensavers work with twinview now?
[10:11] <jager> sorry, back
[10:11] <jager> Insomniac-
[10:11] <jager> go here
[10:11] <jager> http://pwp.netcabo.pt/0150048402/linux/Multiple_Nvidia_Multiple_Head.html
[10:11] <jager> try what he says to do
[10:11] <jager> worked for me :)
[10:12] <Insomniac-> ah.. thank you
[10:12] <jager> skip to Chapter V (Happy Ending) unless you're just interested in his setup, which is admittedly cool
[10:12] <Insomniac-> that one goes in my bookmarks :)
[10:12] <jager> mine too
[10:12] <jager> woo hoo
[10:12] <jager> he even specifially mentions that he's running ubuntu
[10:13] <jager> he sez: This has miraculously produced the result I have so long been waiting for: I can finaly have full nvidia HW acceleration in all monitors as well as Xinerama...  kool!! ;)
[10:14] <LeeJunFan> jager: you should go scribe your methods on wiki.ubuntu.com
[10:14] <Insomniac-> i wonder if it'll work on my machine
[10:14] <jager> do it!
[10:14] <Insomniac-> i'm using a matrox g200 pci card as secondary monitor
[10:14] <jager> then go scribe it on the wiki for me ;)
[10:14] <Insomniac-> and i'm using the vesa driver
[10:14] <Insomniac-> because the mga driver crashes
[10:14] <Aapzak> good luck on the HW acceleration jager, gtg now, bye all
[10:14] <jager> does vesa even do gl acceleration at all?
[10:14] <Insomniac-> doubt it
[10:14] <jager> it works Aapzak, but thanks :)
[10:15] <jager> later!
[10:15] <Insomniac-> but i was picking parts for my new computer anyway
[10:15] <jager> that dude on the website was using 2 dualhead nvidia cards iirc, he had 4 screens at once all gl accelerated
[10:15] <jager> what a fucking stud
[10:16] <ninHer> hi all
[10:16] <adrianoc> hi all, where i download kubuntu ?
[10:16] <LeeJunFan> adrianoc: www.kubuntu.org
[10:17] <adrianoc> thanks ;-)
[10:17] <jager> reading about this wiki now LeeJunFan
[10:17] <Insomniac-> crap konqueror crashed try to view the video
[10:17] <Insomniac-> there go all my tabs :/
[10:17] <jager> i really dig kde
[10:17] <jager> but i can't abide konq as a web browser
[10:17] <jager> just doesn't do it for me
[10:18] <jager> even when i finally did get it to play embedded vidz and shit it still wasn't as nice as firefox i didn't think
[10:18] <Insomniac-> firefox is a bit slow here
[10:18] <jager> just MHO tho
[10:18] <jager> using 1.5?
[10:18] <jager> much faster :L)
[10:18] <Insomniac-> no 1.07
[10:18] <jager> upgrade!
[10:18] <Insomniac-> but the main problem is having too little ram
[10:19] <jager> hat'll do it
[10:19] <Insomniac-> this machine only has 512mb
[10:19] <jager> 1.5 is noticably faster though
[10:19] <jager> try it :)
[10:19] <Insomniac-> nah i'll order my new computer parts first
[10:19] <Insomniac-> stick 4gb of ram into it
[10:19] <Insomniac-> and watch it fly
[10:20] <Kibou> 512mb ram should be enough to run firefox though..
[10:20] <Insomniac-> not with alot of tabs it's not
[10:20] <Insomniac-> not with tons of other apps open its not
[10:20] <jager> yeah i have 512
[10:20] <jager> and it's nice and snappy
[10:20] <jager> 1.5 is nice :)
[10:20] <Kibou> I'm fine and I only have 256mb ram
[10:20] <Kibou> it is.. yea
[10:21] <jager> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=99004&highlight=firefox+1.5+script
[10:21] <Insomniac-> yesterday i got back to my computer and found firefox used up every last bit of memory
[10:21] <jager> go there, use that script, it's dead simple :)
[10:22] <Kibou> it's probably some memory leak somewhere..
[10:22] <jager> rumour has it that 1.5 has one too
[10:22] <Insomniac-> yeah
[10:22] <jager> :*(
[10:22] <Insomniac-> i'm going to run firefox under a different user with memory limits
[10:22] <Insomniac-> i hate waiting 5 minutes just to login and kill whatever is causing it
[10:22] <LeeJunFan> Insomniac-: ulimit doesn't work though :)
[10:23] <Insomniac-> LeeJunFan: the rss limit in /etc/security/limits.conf doesn't cut it?
[10:23] <LeeJunFan> Insomniac-: I was being an ass, after the discussion we had with that guy earlier about ulimit.
[10:24] <LeeJunFan> was you wasn't it?
[10:24] <Insomniac-> hehe i stopped taking him serious when he asked why ubuntu didn't use a bsd kernel
[10:24] <Insomniac-> yeah
[10:24] <Insomniac-> seriously*
[10:24] <jager> ubuntu/hurd :)
[10:24] <dat21> Hmmm "uic was not found - set QTDIR put it in your PATH ?" any one know which package contains uic?
[10:25] <LeeJunFan> Insomniac-: yeah, I just ignored him after a while too.
[10:25] <kerian> shouldn't that be part of the kdevelop packages? or does it have its own package
[10:28] <triode> installing LMMS how? http://lmms.sourceforge.net/
[10:28] <dat21> It is installing quite a few packages that are dependancies for kdevelop, it may do it, I'll give it a go.
[10:28] <triode> should I just try adding the ftp listed under download/ubuntu to the apt sources.list?
[10:29] <Insomniac-> jager: is your screensaver problem gone as well?
[10:29] <kerian> hmm... I don't appear to have uic... and i've installed kdevelop.. that's kinda odd actually
[10:32] <Insomniac-> which generates less heat (and therefore also less noise), the current crop of amds or intels?
[10:33] <dat21> Nope, still no uic, infact all I'm trying to do is install codeine, are there any debs out and about.
[10:33] <jager> does kopete 0.10.4 not support msn messenger?
[10:33] <jager> or did i just forget my passwd?  :D
[10:33] <Insomniac-> i'm using 0.10.4 with msn right now
[10:33] <dat21> Password I think
[10:33] <jager> wonder how you reset yer passwd then
[10:33] <jager> heheh
[10:33] <_StarScream> when is KDe 3.5 coming out for PPC ?
[10:34] <dat21> you can reset your pass on the msn webpages
[10:36] <jager> i think i lied about my area
[10:36] <jager> hahaha
[10:37] <jager> jesus
[10:38] <jager> i'm browsing around msn.com nad i get SO MANY certificate warnings
[10:38] <jager> what a bunch of knobs
[10:38] <jager> i expect it from OSS sorts of websites because certs cost money
[10:38] <jager> but this is MSFT
[10:38] <jager> idiots
[10:39] <Insomniac-> if it costs them money but generates none they don't even try to make something decent
[10:39] <jager> except that they want us all to buy software services from them over the web, so they should at least have the appearance of giving a shit about it
[10:40] <jager> not that i care, since i'm not giving them another dime ever if i can help it
[10:40] <Insomniac-> nope, they just trust on their vendor lock-in business model
[10:40] <jager> seems to be working out ok for them
[10:40] <jager> hehe
[10:40] <Insomniac-> and when competition does pop up somewhere they start offering discounts
[10:41] <jager> hahaha they sent me an email explaining how to reset my email passwd
[10:41] <jager> to my hotmail address i dunno the passwd for
[10:41] <jager> nice
[10:41] <jager> think i'm just SOL
[10:41] <kerian> dat21: found the uic packages qt3-dev-tools
[10:42] <Knowerrors> anybody here running firefox 1.5?
[10:42] <jager> i am
[10:42] <kerian> that will install uic, qmake and moc
[10:42] <Knowerrors> jager: how did you install it? (from mozilla site, a deb, or other...)
[10:43] <jager> some script from the forums
[10:43] <jager> 1 sec
[10:43] <jager> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=99004&highlight=arnieboy+firefox+1.5+script
[10:44] <jager> same dude that did automatix, which also rules
[10:44] <jager> plus he uses a picture of kurt cobain as his avatar, which rules even more
[10:45] <Knowerrors> Yeah, that same guy has a howto on enabling DRI for savage cards, good stuff
[10:46] <dat21> Thanks Kerian
[10:46] <Knowerrors> jager so it installed fine for you eh, did it overwrite 1.07?  and wonder if we can use the official deb still later on when it hits repos>
[10:47] <jager> it does remove 1.07, yes
[10:48] <jager> it makes firefox repo independent.
[10:48] <jager> the sequence of events is as follows:
[10:48] <Coolio10> hi
[10:48] <jager> 1) closes all instances of firefox
[10:48] <jager> 2) downloads firefox 1.5
[10:48] <jager> 3) untars the package
[10:48] <jager> 4) copies it to /opt/
[10:48] <jager> 5) copies all existing plugins of firefox 1.0.7 to firefox 1.5
[10:48] <jager> 6) removes firefox 1.0.7
[10:48] <Coolio10> just had my first kubuntu install yesterday and it wasnt pretty!
[10:48] <jager> 7) backs up the .mozilla (user settings directory)
[10:48] <jager> 7) removes the firefox 1.0.7 shortcut (if any) from /usr/bin
[10:48] <jager> 8) installs the firefox 1.5 shortcut in /usr/bin
[10:48] <jager> 9) runs firefox 1.5 once to create a fresh settings (.mozilla) directory
[10:48] <jager> 10) closes all windows of firefox 1.5
[10:48] <jager> 11) copies bookmarks, history, cookies etc from the backup directory to the new .mozilla directory.
[10:49] <djk_> jager: ever wondered if dave grohl did kurt in?
[10:49] <jager> never even crossed my mind
[10:49] <jager> but now that you mention it he is a lot more famous now
[10:49] <jager> hmmmmmmm
[10:49] <Coolio10> i already fixed my mbr but how do i remove the partitions made by kubuntu?
[10:50] <jager> fdisk :)
[10:50] <Coolio10> how?
[10:50] <kerian> it sorta depends on what else you're running on the machine
[10:50] <djk_> jager: it's just interesting that novoselic then turned into a politician, leaving the music business, and dave grohl turned into the frontman of a new band, which of course made money due to him being connected with nirvana..
[10:50] <Coolio10> windows
[10:50] <kerian> 2k or xp?
[10:50] <Coolio10> xp
[10:50] <jager> btw Knowerrors that script removes epiphany, other things, things that depend on firefox
[10:50] <djk_> jager: and that just a year or so after kurt got pwned..
[10:51] <jager> man
[10:51] <jager> too many conspiracy throries
[10:51] <jager> too litle time
[10:51] <jager> hehe
[10:51] <Knowerrors> cool, I don't have epiphany, running mainly only kde apps
[10:52] <kerian> kk... if I remember correctly... there's Administration Tools under Control Panels... one of the sidepanels for that is 'Disk Manager'
[10:52] <kerian> I'm not exactly sure though... I've only run a Japanese Windows XP Version...
[10:52] <Coolio10> nothing says disk manager in my control panel
[10:52] <Coolio10> ok
[10:53] <jager> control panel -> administratice tools -> computer management -> storage
[10:53] <kerian> no... it won't be directly there... you have to open Administration Tools, or Computer Administrator, or something like that
[10:53] <jager> then disk maangement :)
[10:53] <jager> and people say linux is too complicated ;)
[10:53] <Coolio10> i have administrative tools
[10:53] <Coolio10> but no dsik manager in that folder
[10:54] <kerian> hmm... is there another step in there?
[10:54] <jager> control panel -> administratice tools -> computer management -> storage -> disk manager, Coolio10
[10:54] <Coolio10> oh yea
[10:54] <jager> :)
[10:54] <Coolio10> thanks
[10:54] <djk_> jager: i just find it rather weird. kurt wasn't even cold yet.. and obviously dave makes more money now..
[10:54] <jager> np
[10:54] <jager> i know windows far better than i siwh i did
[10:54] <jager> wish*
[10:55] <Insomniac-> mmm 2GB ddr2 ram modules
[10:55] <jager> so what, i still hate the foo fighters, and nirvana still rocks the house
[10:55] <jager> only thing is
[10:55] <Insomniac-> too bad they don't fit on the motherboard i intend to use
[10:55] <Coolio10> never use intelly hyperspeed!
[10:55] <jager> if i was maried to courtney love i'd prolly eat a shotgun too
[10:55] <Coolio10> it shuts off lots of windows services which you have to enable using services.msc
[10:56] <djk_> jager: well, maybe she forced it down his throat..
[10:56] <jager> she's crazy enough i'd believe it
[10:56] <jager> she's nutz0rz
[10:56] <djk_> certainly is..
[10:56] <kerian> Coolio10: hehe... most likely not a problem on this board :)
[10:56] <djk_> and a bad musician ..
[10:56] <jager> that too :)
[10:56] <djk_> jager: rather interesting that her only good songs were written by kurt ;)
[10:56] <jager> pretty funny too
[10:56] <jager> hehehehe
[10:57] <jager> dammit i wish i could remember my hotmail passwd
[10:57] <Knowerrors> USB Flash issue with kde 3.4.3, it automounts by ivman in /media/usbdisk, but does not show in media:/ or on the desktop, any ideas to fix?
[10:57] <Coolio10> i have deleted the partition but how do i add the free space back?
[10:58] <Coolio10> do i delete it?
[10:58] <jager> i don't understand the question
[10:58] <kerian> eh... the easiest way is just to make another partition
[10:58] <Coolio10> then it will automatically add it back to c?
[10:58] <jager> ahh
[10:58] <jager> no
[10:58] <mrj> hey
[10:58] <jager> you need a 3rd party tool
[10:58] <mrj> boys
[10:58] <mrj> i have a problem
[10:58] <jager> ms's tools aren't bright enough to do that
[10:58] <kerian> oh... to add it back to C... that might be more tricky
[10:58] <jager> look into partition magic, it'll do what you want
[10:58] <cryogen12> has ne1 had any luck installing with a sli rig mine keeps freezing during boot?
[10:58] <kerian> if you want the easy way, just make a new drive... call it D or whatever
[10:58] <Coolio10> how to add back to c?
[10:58] <Coolio10> tahst what i want
[10:59] <jager> you need partition magic
[10:59] <mrj> when i download skype.xxx.xxx.xxx.deb from skype site and install it with dpkg -i skype.xxx.xxx.xxx.deb
[10:59] <jager> or something similar
[10:59] <kerian> if you want to add it back to C, you need to use another tool
[10:59] <jager> maybe qtparted would do it, from a knoppix disk or something
[10:59] <jager> i dunno
[10:59] <mrj> then it says that skype depends on a package that is not installable
[10:59] <mrj> but it works
[10:59] <mrj> skype runs correctly
[10:59] <jager> np kerian, i wasn't really watchin either :(
[10:59] <mrj> but the problem is i have now a broken dependencies
[10:59] <Coolio10> is it norton partition magic?
[11:00] <jager> thinkso
[11:00] <mrj> and when i try to install another package it says .... bla bla bla run apt-get -f install to fix that or specify a solution
[11:00] <jager> symantec, yes
[11:00] <mrj> could you help me with alternate solution thu i do not wanna remove skype
[11:00] <jager> yikes $70, that sucks
[11:00] <mrj> anyone ?
[11:01] <troy> hey, with kde3.5 installed I'm getting duplication when I insert a CD - 3.5's media dialog opens, and kubuntu's old 'mount and show' is also happening - is there a way I can disable kubuntu's old behavior?
[11:01] <jager> hey i have a minor nit
[11:02] <Coolio10> if i delete the free sapce from computer management what will happen?
[11:02] <jager> the system settings control panel thingy is heinously ugly, how do you revert it to kde default?
[11:02] <Coolio10> will it physically remove it or add it to somewhere?
[11:02] <jager> you can't delete free space Coolio10
[11:02] <jager> won't do anything at all
[11:03] <Coolio10> ok
[11:03] <kerian> mrj: does apt-get build-dep skype(whatever) do something here?
[11:03] <Coolio10> dang there is no free trial for partition magic!
[11:04] <jager> aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh
[11:04] <Coolio10> o yeah i forgot to ask a question about the kubuntu install!
[11:04] <jager> now my stupid projectm stuff doesn't work anymore
[11:05] <Coolio10> when it asks for hostname do i leave it defaulty or change it because i changed it and its asking me for login and password
[11:05] <Coolio10> i do have a lan and router but whats hostname for?
[11:05] <Coolio10> i changed it anyway though i have no idea what to do with it
[11:06] <kerian> hostname is an ID for your machine on the network
[11:06] <Coolio10> and thats why i removed it plus grub wont automatically boot after a certain time!
[11:06] <cryogen12> has ne1 got a sli system to install without getting hung on boot is there a workaround
[11:06] <kerian> various parts of the system will use that name to identify the machine
[11:06] <kerian> hmm... can you remove the hostname?
[11:07] <Coolio10> how do i find it or would i just leave it default?
[11:07] <Coolio10> how?
[11:07] <kerian> eh... easiest way to find it (for me anyways) is to bring up a terminal and type 'hostname'
[11:08] <kerian> there is likely somewhere in kubuntu to set and view it graphically...
[11:11] <jager> dammit
[11:11] <kerian> still no love?
[11:11] <jager> i think the changes i made to xorg kiled projectm
[11:11] <Coolio10> well i dont have kubuntu i usinh windows until i learn more about kubuntu
[11:11] <kerian> ahh
[11:12] <Coolio10> anyway is there a way to add a time so it automatically boots a system?
[11:12] <jager> time to revert i guess
[11:12] <Coolio10> for grub
[11:12] <kerian> err... wait... did you just delete the linux partitions?
[11:13] <kerian> if so... the actual 'booting' part of grub has been removed... so you should probably fix that before rebooting
[11:13] <Coolio10> yes i did remove that and just want to know how to add a time to next time i am prepared
[11:14] <kerian> if you dont have another operating system (other than windows) on the box, you should be able to... I believe its a 'fixmbr' command
[11:14] <kerian> hmm... literally... you edit the menu.lst file in the /boot directory, (it has an entry for timeout)
[11:15] <kerian> then rebuild grub using grub-install
[11:15] <Coolio10> wheres grub install?
[11:16] <Coolio10> im nearly prepared to do it again
[11:16] <Coolio10> also is the hostname necessary and if i left it as default would it ask me for login or password before kubuntu launches?
[11:17] <kerian> yeah... it's set to ask you for username/password on launch
[11:17] <Coolio10> is there a way to stop this?
[11:17] <kerian> you can turn that off in the Users & Groups dialog under system settings though
[11:17] <Coolio10> i wont get to system settings because i dont know the login or pass
[11:18] <kerian> err... how did you install without typing those in?
[11:18] <kerian> somewhere in the install process... it asks you to set a password
[11:19] <arlington> morning all
[11:19] <arlington> well I guess afternoon
[11:19] <kerian> 7am for me :)
[11:19] <arlington> lol
[11:19] <arlington> figures
[11:20] <arlington> :P
[11:20] <jager> goddammit
[11:20] <kerian> ?
[11:20] <Coolio10> well is login the username i set?
[11:20] <kerian> yeah
[11:20] <Coolio10> and pass is obviously the pass i set?
[11:20] <kerian> yup
[11:21] <Coolio10> i used that and it said incorrect
[11:21] <kerian> hmm
[11:21] <Coolio10> also when i type the password nothing is being writeen
[11:21] <arlington> I wanna grab KDE 3.5 but I forgot what the command is that i need to access sources.list to write to it
[11:22] <arlington> anyone remember?
[11:22] <kerian> apt-sources?
[11:22] <kerian> nope... not that
[11:22] <arlington> I know it has something to do with kdesu but I can't remember the rest to access that file
[11:22] <Knowerrors> arlington: sudon nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:22] <Coolio10> "then rebuild grub using grub-install" where is grub install just for reference when i want to add timeout
[11:22] <Knowerrors> sudo nano
[11:23] <Knowerrors> at the konsole
[11:23] <kerian> Coolio10: usually you just use a konsole... and type in 'grub-install'
[11:23] <Knowerrors> arlington: so open konsole, then sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:23] <arlington> that was the part i forgot
[11:24] <kerian> if you have the menu.lst configured properly in /boot/grub... it should just install
[11:24] <arlington> where do I go to grab it then?
[11:24] <Coolio10> so just add the timeout like you said and it should take it from there?
[11:24] <kerian> arlington: you could also use 'manage repositories' in Adept
[11:25] <jager> man, i dunno wf i did to kill projectm
[11:25] <jager> i could just cry, i worked to get that going all damn weekend
[11:26] <kerian> Coolio10: yeah... it will take a moment or two to load everything... be warned... don't make mistakes playing with the menu.lst
[11:26] <kerian> broken grub -> unbootable machine in many cases
[11:26] <arlington> I'm thinking I got it to work
[11:27] <arlington> thanks
[11:27] <kerian> same with any bootloader... then again... you could have Windows XP Home:Japanese... which putzes with the MBR on every single boot
[11:27] <Knowerrors> Anyone know a good text recognition program, that will convert a scanned document into a text document?
[11:28] <mrj> hi
[11:28] <mrj> :)
[11:28] <mrj> i have installed a NVIDIA Driver
[11:28] <mrj> with apt-get
[11:28] <mrj> but
[11:28] <mrj> i can not see much performance
[11:28] <mrj> i have tested the Nvidia-xxx.run package from their site with SLACKWARE and it works excellent
[11:29] <mrj> but in kubuntu after the installationj of the drivers i get no difference
[11:29] <mrj> PLEASE HELP ?
[11:29] <kerian> hmm... obvious first question... are you using the nvidia driver?
[11:29] <mrj> i am using this http://ubuntuguide.org/#installnvidiadriver
[11:30] <Coolio10> kerian do you know why when i typed the password would not be written because i could type the login
[11:30] <kerian> are you sure that it wasn't just not showing you what you typed?
[11:30] <kerian> various utilities do that, to protect you from people watching over your shoulder
[11:31] <Coolio10> im sure because after i typed the password it just made another space to type and i typed in that and it said login.password incorrect
[11:31] <mrj> kerian: is that correct what i have used ?
[11:31] <Coolio10> also is it possible to cahnge the default system booted for grub?
[11:31] <arlington> probably a ridiculous question but anyone know where I can go to refind my password irc username?
[11:32] <mrj> kerian:  the strange thing was that after i followed the instructions there was no /usr/share/applications/NVIDIA-Settings.desktop
[11:32] <kerian> yeah... the default can be changed in the menu.lst too
[11:32] <kerian> I dont remember exactly how though
[11:32] <jager> man, i wish i know wtf is going on here
[11:32] <Coolio10> ok thanks
[11:32] <jager> now my screensavers work good even though i unduid all the changes i made, and projectm won't work at all
[11:32] <Coolio10> ill try kubuntu install again and see if it lets me install
[11:32] <mrj> kerian: and i just copied the file from the example of the site
[11:33] <Coolio10> would it do anything to my system if i left the hostname as ubuntu?
[11:33] <kerian> kk... well... the NVIDIA-Settings.desktop file should have been new, if you hadnt had a card installed there before
[11:33] <u19809> anybody here use a ati card with a fglrx driver ?
[11:33] <Coolio10> i will have windows and kubuntu on my comouter
[11:33] <kerian> nope... hostname doesnt matter as long as you don't have another computer named ubuntu on the network
[11:33] <mrj> kerian:  ?
[11:33] <Coolio10> ok
[11:33] <Coolio10> thanks
[11:34] <kerian> sorry mrj... two conversations at once
[11:34] <Coolio10> ill call it kubuntu isntead:-)
[11:34] <mrj> kerian: no problem bro , just help me when you have time please :)
[11:34] <Coolio10> kerian is working too hard! Dont get mad if he takes a while:-)
[11:34] <mrj> i am not mad
[11:34] <mrj> i am grateful of any help :)
[11:34] <Coolio10> sorry just read that
[11:34] <mrj> np :)
[11:35] <mrj> i am starting to LOVE linux !
[11:35] <mrj> :)
[11:35] <mrj> brb 3 min
[11:35] <Coolio10> i will love it once i get it wokring
[11:35] <jager> don't work from xmms either
[11:35] <Coolio10> i was addicted by looking at screenshots;-)
[11:35] <jager> don't suppose anyone in chan has projectm working?
[11:37] <kerian> mrj: is there anything funny looking (particularly anything about nvidia) in your /var/log/Xorg<something or other> log?
[11:37] <digits> anybody other than me that has problems with libthread on amd64?
[11:38] <mrj> kerian: did you see the URL that i gave you ?
[11:38] <digits> it breaks kopete and kdevelop3 (some parts)
[11:38] <kerian> yeah... I looked at that... I'm curious if it's still failing to load
[11:39] <mrj> i am getting the nvidia logo before my kde starts
[11:39] <jager> dammit
[11:39] <mrj> and even the nvidia-settings which is grafical
[11:39] <kerian> ahh... okay
[11:39] <jager> i can see the fucking projectm skins loading in konsole when i run it from xmms
[11:39] <jager> but notihing on screen
[11:40] <kerian> mrj: what card do you have?
[11:40] <mrj> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/461535
[11:40] <mrj> Nvidia GeForce4MX440
[11:41] <Coolio10> by the way kerian you said dont brake the grub using the menu.l1st or something like that or it will damage your mbr and computer wont boot but i have UBCD4WIN which fixes mbr and thats what i used to rmeove grub so i shouldnt have any worries:-)
[11:41] <jager> i reinstalled 3 times to get it to work
[11:41] <jager> :(
[11:42] <mrj> Coolio10: just a day ago i have lost my windows partition and damaged my multimedia partition with grub .....
[11:42] <mrj> so do not say ...
[11:42] <mrj> :/
[11:42] <kerian> ahh... okay... still be careful though
[11:42] <mrj> i hate grub
[11:42] <mrj> i love LILO
[11:43] <mrj> kerian: did you saw my post ?
[11:43] <kerian> yeah... it all looks fine
[11:43] <mrj> kerian: the problem is that when i test with glxgears i get a reallz slow grafik
[11:43] <mrj> really*
[11:44] <mrj> when i was trying the NVIDIA.xxxxxxx.run driver from the nvidia site with slackware before , the glxgears was vervy very FAST !
[11:44] <_macke> hey! what shall i write to give all users read & write acces to /media/hdc5??
[11:44] <mrj> edit /etc/fstab
[11:44] <kerian> you know what you might want to do? Since graphics settings are a bit of a black art :P
[11:45] <mrj> _macke: defaults,umask=000
[11:45] <kerian> you may want to load up that slack cd... and then just copy off the xorg.conf file
[11:45] <mrj> kerian:  did you think it is because the xorg.conf file ?
[11:45] <_macke> macke@Datorn:~$ defaults,umask=000
[11:45] <_macke> bash: defaults,umask=000: command not found
[11:46] <mrj> no
[11:46] <mrj> _macke: you should edit your /etc/fstab file
[11:46] <kerian> most likely.. the nvidia driver takes something like 50 different arguments... alot of them have to do with acceleration
[11:46] <_macke> ohhh ok sorry bit of a newb with Linux
[11:47] <mrj> example : /dev/hdc5 /mnt/hdc5 defaults,umask=000 0 0
[11:47] <mrj> find the line with hdc5 and add umask=000 after defaults
[11:47] <mrj> with komma
[11:47] <mrj> :)
[11:47] <_macke> should i put it under options in fstab file??
[11:47] <kerian> mrj: things like 'Option RenderAccel true' inside the xorg.conf Device section, for example
[11:47] <_macke> ohhh ok BIG thanx!!
[11:48] <mrj> _macke: no problemo
[11:48] <mrj> kerian:  sorry that i waas not answering
[11:48] <mrj> kerian: should i post my xorg.file ?
[11:48] <mrj> or just try with another
[11:48] <mrj> brb 3 min
[11:48] <kerian> kk
[11:50] <_macke> mrj: should i restart or just logout to fix it?
[11:51] <kerian> you can probably just open a terminal, and do 'sudo mount -a'
[11:52] <_macke> ohh ok i just love Linux more and more the more i learn about it
[11:52] <_macke> Thanx
[11:52] <jjesse> !ntfs
[11:52] <ubotu> hmm... ntfs is the filesystem used in Windows 2000 and newer; to automatically mount your NTFS partition: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions
[11:52] <kerian> restarting is usually very-much optional in linux :P
[11:52] <jjesse> does the live cd automount ntfs partitions ?
[11:53] <Coolio10> should i use grub or lilo?
[11:54] <kerian> whichever... grub has a few more options, lilo is a bit easier to understand
[11:54] <kerian> they both are two stage loaders (which is kinda a downside to both of them)
[11:55] <kerian> if you've got grub on there now...it may be easier to just stick with it
[11:55] <_macke> can i alter the apt-get somehow. when i write "sudo apt-get install xmms" he wants DVD can i change it so he takes everything from the web??
[11:55] <kerian> the other advantage is that it seems to be the default in kubuntu, so more people on the kubuntu boards are likely to be familiar with it
[11:56] <larsris> I am about to upgrade my Kubuntu from hoary to breezy (to stay updated, generally, and to get KBabel to work, spcifically. Any common pitfalls? Any bad experiences?
[11:56] <kerian> _macke : hmm... that sounds strange... do you list CDs in the apt-sources file?
[11:57] <kerian> sudo apt-setup may also help here
[11:57] <_macke> :) no..... didnt know about that file... where is it?
[11:58] <kerian> either use a text editor and edit /etc/apt/sources.list, or use Adept and go to the 'Manage Sources' menu item
[11:58] <_macke> ok. Thanx
[12:00] <jjesse> _macke: just go to k menu -> run and type kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:00] <jjesse> _macke: it will ask for password and then you can change the sources list
[12:00] <_macke> then i just remove the cd-rom from sources.list??
[12:00] <jjesse> or you can comment it out w/ a # in case you need to update from a cdrom again
[12:01] <_macke> yeah seems the better alternative! THANX
[12:01] <jjesse> np
[12:02] <kerian> I keep forgetting that you need to kdesu the text editor when editing system files in kubuntu >_<