[12:06] lifeless: night, c'ya [12:07] night [12:17] g'night life [12:17] uhm [12:17] sivang is going to be [12:17] d [12:17] not me [12:17] sri [12:17] just tuned back in here [12:18] Just chillin' here... Think I partially resolved the sleeping keyboard trouble/problem..... [12:21] I'm acutally still here, I couldn't let another bug I found with gpdf slip away , now I can go to sleep with peace, nice that you solved your kbd prob Spee_Der :) [12:21] now good night for real. bye === sivang is now known as sivang_away [12:22] Ok, good night. It is only partially resolved, but I am happy with it.... Cheers mate. === jinty [n=jinty@205.134.224.215] has left #launchpad ["Leaving"] === Nafallo_away is now known as Nafallo === mpt [n=mpt@201-27-7-12.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #launchpad === Nafallo is now known as Nafallo_away === marco [n=marcolu@61.151.243.4] has joined #launchpad === lbm [n=lbm@cpe.atm4-0-1301006.0x50a0824e.vgnxx6.customer.tele.dk] has joined #launchpad === sivang [i=sivan@muse.19inch.net] has joined #launchpad === bradb [n=bradb@195.182.78.95] has joined #launchpad [09:15] jamesh: ping [09:16] jamesh: Just curious: have you started on the review of my InitialBugContacts branch? If not, perhaps SteveA and I can go through it here in .lt. [09:20] bradb: it would be better if james is doing it, so we can focus on other things here, and look at the review as it comes in. [09:23] ok === sivang reads an interesting bit http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/web/library/wa-ajaxintro1.html?ca=dgr-lnxw01MasterAJAX [09:34] bradb: yeah. I'm doing it right now. [09:36] thanks jamesh [09:36] jamesh: ah, cool [09:37] bradb: in general it looks pretty good. There is a little overlap with Bjorn's branch, but that should be easy to resolve [09:41] guys, what's the size of a working rocketfuel checkout ? (including zope and everything needed to run) [09:41] sivang: 402MB, before you run make [09:45] LarstiQ: ping [09:45] jamesh: after you run make it gets bigger? [09:45] LarstiQ: if a source pacakge doesn't ship a pot file in the tar.gz, rosetta won't import it automatically [09:46] I mean, much bigger? :) [09:46] sivang: a bit. You'll get .pyc files and a few extension modules [09:46] sivang: 425MB for one of my checkouts [09:46] LarstiQ: this will get detected pretty soon, as people won't be able to trranslate, so the ubuntu package maintainer makes some rule in the build process to generate a pot in the package, or whatever [09:47] LarstiQ: I assume that if blender's can be done with a simple xgettext, that's the problem, someone didn't know how it's done correctly and it's a bit fucked up [09:47] jamesh: ah ok, that's not that big then :) [09:49] spiv: hi, around? === koke [n=koke@ubuntu/member/koke] has joined #launchpad [09:57] bradb: it should be pretty easy to modify the bugzilla default assignees migration script I wrote at UBZ to the new schema in your branch [09:57] which is good :) [09:57] jamesh: that schema's already in rf, afaik === jinty [n=jinty@205.134.224.215] has joined #launchpad [09:58] bradb: yeah, but the LP APIs aren't. [09:58] indeed === ddaa [n=ddaa@nor75-18-82-241-238-155.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #launchpad [10:05] ddaa: , SteveA can we move back 30 minutes? [10:05] morning === sabdfl [n=mark@ubuntu/member/pdpc.silver.sabdfl] has joined #launchpad [10:06] lifeless: okay with me, today. [10:08] lifeless: i'm working with brad. i can do a very brief meeting. [10:15] thanks [10:15] I'm in the middle of initialising a fridge [10:15] due to my old one stopping being a fridge and becoming a very expensive eskie (chillie bin ?) on sunday [10:20] jblack: lifeless was talking to both of us in #bzr. The Launchpad integratino meeting is in ten mins. [10:21] 30 mins later than usual [10:21] you are welcome to attend [10:21] Thought you usually had it on thursdays? [10:21] I'll be there. [10:21] Thursday is Launchpad development meeting. [10:21] Monday morning is the LaunchpadBazaar integration meeting. [10:31] jblack: #canonical-meeting [10:33] admins: ping [10:33] admins? [10:34] stevea: admins, as in "by any odd chance is either elmo or znarl actively watching this tty at this second. otherwise, I'll stalk" [10:35] daf: hello [10:35] back [10:35] brad and i are taking a break from our sessions. so i can do a bit of meeting [10:38] bradb: you should have some review comments in your inbox [10:39] jamesh: cool, thanks [10:39] SteveA: hi [10:40] sabdfl: rosetta is mentioned in the openoffice.org l10n mailing list [10:40] http://l10n.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=dev&msgNo=6091 [10:43] jordi: the reply says that the request on the rosetta list about how OOo can be translated hasn't been answered yet [10:44] SteveA: I haven't got the reply yet [10:44] afaik, it has been replied by Carlos? We even have a detailed spec [10:45] i mean, the reply at l10n.openoffice.org [10:45] i read it on that website [10:45] the author of the reply on that website says they haven't had a reply to their rosetta query [10:45] is stub on leave yet ? [10:45] I have asked on _this_ list [10:46] as in l10n-dev I guess [10:46] SteveA: I've been on this list for one week [10:46] if rosetta was mentioned earlier I've probably missed it [10:46] lifeless: today is a public holiday for him [10:46] ah [10:47] SteveA: I guess the problem is erdal doesn't know what to do with the po files so the translated data is acceptable by upstream. [10:48] you mean it is a one-way thing? [10:48] OOo -> rosetta but not back again? [10:51] oh, no [10:51] it has a way back, and it's the only way if you want upstream to accept your po-based translation [10:51] but it's not trivial to do it, and I guess erdal doesn't know how to do it yet. === GoRoDeK [n=gorodek@p5083D694.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #launchpad === raphink [n=raphink@gra86-1-82-239-88-236.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #launchpad [11:11] Morning === raphink [n=raphink@gra86-1-82-239-88-236.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #launchpad [11:15] jordi: that's good coverage, if we have a good answer to the "get translations back upstream" question. === carlos [n=carlos@231.Red-83-53-54.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #launchpad [11:15] morning! [11:15] I'm back :-) [11:16] carlos! [11:17] carlos: how did it go? [11:17] jordi, really good, I need those holidays [11:18] my gf "asked" me to forget the laptop so those where true holidays ;-) [11:19] and you did forget it, I guess. :) [11:19] I was in Barcelona during the weekend. [11:19] jordi, yeah, I even ride a horse! [11:19] Yesterday I had a late lunch up in Montjuc's Castle. [11:20] daf: what's the plan for today? [11:20] jordi, ;-) [11:20] carlos: so we were discussing ooo<->po conversions [11:21] carlos: 10:40 < jordi> http://l10n.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=dev&msgNo=6091 [11:21] it seems erdal doesn't know how to convert back from po to ooo so he can feed his translations to openoffice.org cvs [11:21] SteveA: I'm going to work my way down the list of things we talked about on Thursday [11:21] this should be covered by our spec, right? [11:21] SteveA: lowest-hanging fruit first [11:22] jordi, well, doko has that in his todo list [11:22] jordi, he did the process and I asked to update the spec so we have it documented.... [11:22] jordi, I don't know exactly the procedure [11:22] SteveA, daf hi dudes! [11:22] hola carlos [11:22] nod [11:23] BjornT: hello [11:23] hi SteveA [11:23] BjornT: you are the reviewer who is nearest to daf in timezones, particularly as daf is working just the first half of the day. [11:24] daf is doing some "low hanging fruit" UI improvements to soyuz [11:24] can you be his reviewer for these things? [11:24] carlos: if we have a link where it's very well explained, I can reply to the ooo list [11:25] SteveA: sure [11:25] jordi: +1 :-) [11:25] jordi, as I said, we don't have such link until doko updates the spec [11:25] jordi, we have the braindump spec [11:25] but is useless [11:25] daf: once you have done a cohesive unit of stuff, get it onto PendingReviews in bjorn's queue [11:26] let's see how soon we can get some of these improvements onto staging [11:26] jordi, https://launchpad.net/products/rosetta/+spec/rosetta-openoffice-support [11:27] carlos, jordi: i see that doko is around. [11:27] SteveA: I've pushed my branch already, but all it has at the moment are the breadcrumb fixes [11:27] daf: that's fine. it is easier to review small cohesive changes, usually. [11:27] SteveA: ok, I'll put it in Bjorn's queue [11:28] BjornT: it's the "soyuz-ui" branch on the pending reviews page [11:28] carlos, jordi: let's see if doko and you guys can pull together, and make the OOo people happy. [11:28] yeah [11:28] I invited doko to this channel :) [11:31] daf: ok, i'll take a look at it soon === doko [n=doko@dslb-084-059-073-144.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #launchpad [11:33] BjornT: great [11:33] doko, hi [11:34] doko, seems like there are some users that want to get the .po file from oo2 at launchpad.net and get back the OO2 native format to commit it upstream [11:34] but they don't know how to do that [11:35] doko, would be possible to update the spec at https://launchpad.net/products/rosetta/+spec/rosetta-openoffice-support so we have documented our current procedure? [11:36] yes, I've seen the posts on l10n-dev today. going to reply ... [11:36] doko thank you [11:37] doko, please, ping me or jordi when the spec is updated so we can add a link from the Rosetta's FAQ page [11:38] oh, perfect... TranslationUploads was not merged due more conflicts... [11:38] grr [11:42] hmm, SteveA my conexion will be a bit unstable for the next two hours due some changes in the electric installation [11:43] I will work anyway, but will be connected and disconnected from the irc from time to time === Keybuk [n=scott@descent.netsplit.com] has joined #launchpad [11:51] jamesh: I've just replied to your review comments. === niemeyer [n=niemeyer@200-140-204-123.ctame7004.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has joined #launchpad [11:56] Anybody keep logs of large channels? [11:57] large channels? === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@azevedo.astro.up.pt] has joined #launchpad [12:01] has anyone had experience setting rocketfuel on dapper? [12:02] sivang: first step would be to port the launchpad developers' dependency package to dapper [12:02] SteveA: eh, there is one meta package that depends on all that you need on a system? [12:02] yes [12:03] although i can't remember its name [12:03] I think I can.. [12:03] let me look [12:04] daf: looks good, r=bjornt [12:04] launchpad-dependencies [12:04] ^^ ? [12:05] I seem to be able to install it under dapper, cool === matsubara [n=matsubar@200-171-140-32.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #launchpad [12:05] sivang: aye, that's the one [12:05] good morning! [12:05] Kinnison: morning Kinnison ! [12:05] hi sivang [12:05] ,matsubara [12:06] Kinnison: I'm sick at home, so I have some free time to play [12:06] sivang: have fun :-) And I hope you get well soon [12:06] BjornT: thanks! [12:07] daf: on your coding standards docs... can you also find a place to mention about the launchpad-dependencies package? [12:07] everyone should be using it [12:07] hmm [12:07] SteveA: We have it in breezy-updates too? === salgado [n=salgado@200-171-140-32.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #launchpad [12:08] Kinnison: nesuprantu [12:08] Kinnison: I am getting better by the minute, caught a bad flu but it's already better [12:08] SteveA: pardon? [12:08] SteveA: RocketFuelSetup? [12:08] sivang: good good [12:08] Kinnison: i don't understand [12:08] SteveA: launchpad-dependencies -- is it in breezy too? [12:09] i believe it is in breezy universe, but i have not checked [12:09] SteveA: Seems like RocketFuelSetup is the right place, I can add it there instead of the package list [12:09] sure, thanks sivang [12:09] SteveA/BjornT: perhaps one of you can look at https://chinstrap.warthogs.hbd.com/~jamesh/pending-reviews/daf/launchpad/bug-2230/full-diff [12:09] sivang: thanks [12:09] actually, it'd be better to move the list down as an appendix, in case something bad happens to the meta package. That's what I'll do. [12:09] ok, although it becomes duplicated information [12:10] daf: I wonder if it would be worth extending redirection() so that it can handle cases like that properly? [12:10] well, we can get the list out of the history if we need to [12:10] maybe better to remove it, and leave it in history as daf says [12:10] jamesh: we should fix redirection() [12:10] jamesh: would you like to? === SteveA and brad --> lunch [12:10] SteveA: sure. How about allowing it to be used as a descriptor when used with only one arg? [12:10] jamesh: https://launchpad.net/products/launchpad/+bug/5461 is the relevant bug [12:10] Malone bug #5461: redirects should canonicalise URLs In: launchpad (upstream), Severity: Normal, Assigned to: Steve Alexander, Status: Accepted https://launchpad.net/bugs/5461 [12:11] and use the return value of the function as the redirect [12:11] jamesh: so you can write code that calculates the redirect? [12:11] SteveA: yeah [12:11] as in the result of it [12:11] the place redirected from would still be statically looked up [12:11] yep [12:11] I'm not sure I follow [12:11] sounds like a nice idea. [12:12] daf: so we'd write something like this: [12:12] @redirection('+source') [12:12] jamesh: sure, go ahead. please get me to be the reviewer. [12:12] def redirect_source(self): [12:12] return canonical_url(self.context) === SteveA and brad really go to lunch [12:12] aah [12:12] cunning [12:12] thanks for the example [12:13] daf: that doesn't work yet though :) [12:13] I know :) [12:14] SteveA: ok, will do so. === sivang is totally out of sync with his email..:-/ [12:18] email backlog, that is [12:18] ok, now to get launchpad-database-dependencies === sivang updates wiki page. [12:22] Kinnison: launchpad-dependencies depends on python2.4-profiler , which is in multiverse. the package itself is in main/optional. That is an expection to the guideline that all main packages should have their dependencies in main, no? [12:22] sivang: yes, you're right [12:23] sivang: the profiler was moved from main to multiverse, though I think this was before the dependencies package was created [12:26] daf: ah I see, well, I wanted to leave the bit that talks about the python profiler now that we have the meta package depend on it, but we need it so new people wanting to setup don't get an error when trying to install the meta package. [12:26] *leave out [12:26] well, an argument could be made that the dependency package belongs in multiverse [12:26] I'm not sure what we use the profiler for, at any rate [12:27] hmmm [12:27] daf: also, is Scott's baz bit still required ? (it says there that it is) [12:28] the pybaz stuff? [12:28] I believe the importd code still uses that, so yes [12:29] I've been grepping around, and I can't find any references to 'profiler' in the Launchpad code [12:29] perhaps somebody else knows why it's listed [12:30] well, if it's not needed anymore, we should remove it === cprov [n=cprov@200-171-140-32.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #launchpad [12:31] morning guys [12:31] cprov! [12:31] jblack: hi dude, how are you ? [12:32] the magic eight ball says "Answer unclear. Ask again" [12:33] jblack: hi dude, how are you ? [12:34] Good. Definitely. [12:35] hehe, even if you ask me twice, I'd say TIRED, and the week have just started, ohh my god ! [12:37] I don't pity you. [12:37] You live in Brazil, which has the best coffee in all the world. === koke [n=koke@ubuntu/member/koke] has joined #launchpad [12:44] jblack: ok, I give up on this argument, the coffe is really good ! I'm fine and motivated now ;) [12:45] grin. :) [12:47] back [12:47] jblack: lol [12:48] doko: thanks [12:48] hi cprov, jblack [12:48] jordi, ofcourse :) [12:48] now if he lived in spain, or the UK, then I'd feel his pain. [12:51] real men drink hebal tea [12:51] * herbal [12:53] daf++ [12:53] :) === sivang doesn't drink coffe anymore. hasn't touched it for the last 4 months [12:54] daf: do you like camomile tea? [12:54] it's ok, but I'm not a huge fan [12:54] I like Rooibos a lot [12:54] daf: what type of herb is that? [12:54] (never heared of it) [12:55] not sure if it's a herb strictly speaking [12:55] funny how the package description of paramiko has the little bit at the end about "version control ..." , seems unrelated [12:55] it's a tea-like plant that produces a red caffeine-free tea that tastes slightly of honey [12:56] it's also called Redbush sometimes [12:56] eh, sounds delicious [12:56] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rooibos [12:56] see if you can find some [12:57] jblack: btw, what's wrong in living in the UK? [12:57] the coffee isn't as good :) [12:57] Other than the cold, wet weather, the bad food, the lack of coffee and the high prices? [01:02] jblack: what about excellent culture, television, intelligent people, well structured government, fresh cold air, cool accent? ;-) [01:04] You dare to mention the quality of television to an american? === kiko [n=kiko@200-171-140-32.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #launchpad [01:04] SteveA: https://chinstrap.ubuntu.com/~dsilvers/paste/file8kSGiv.html <- here's the changes necessary to get redirection() to work as a descriptor. Do you want me to put it up on the PendingReviews page? (it is fairly short) [01:04] jblack: it's a matter of taste I guess :) === koke [n=koke@ubuntu/member/koke] has joined #launchpad === beyond [n=beyond@200-171-140-32.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #launchpad [01:13] good morning [01:13] my inbox looks spiffy [01:13] how are you jamesh? [01:14] kiko: good [01:14] morning kiko [01:15] jamesh, I pushed off your suggestion to spiv let's see how it goes [01:15] kiko: how did the javascript hacking go? === kiko suspects he's too busy to context-switch to that right now [01:15] jamesh, it was a disaster. [01:15] for the collapsible fieldset thingee [01:16] first, it appears that anchors added are not added to the default focus chain in firefox [01:16] I could not get it to be tabbed into [01:16] second, it is considerably slower and triggers a JS error that takes 1 second to render [01:17] weird [01:17] yeah, definitely weird [01:25] I need to waste some more time on it [01:25] but the initial attempts have not been very motivating [01:37] jordi: thanks for the information, I'll look at how the package builds in breezy to see if that helps === thisfred [n=thisfred@a80-127-80-154.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #launchpad [01:43] LarstiQ: perfect [01:44] kiko: what sort of javascript are you wasting time at? === carlos [n=carlos@71.Red-83-53-49.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #launchpad [01:47] sivang, trying to add an anchor to the fieldset expander label [01:47] kiko: I have decided my next vacation is Cuba [01:48] jordi? [01:53] kiko: I mean, Brazil needs to wait. :) === kiko kicks jordi [01:53] you can come [01:53] it's very near to you [01:54] jordi, was that really ben goodger? [01:54] of ff fame? [01:54] ben who? [01:55] matsubara, bug 5730 is a dupe, could you find out of which bug? [01:55] Malone bug #5730: Should be possible to search for a translation In: rosetta (upstream), Severity: Normal, Assigned to: Nobody, Status: New https://launchpad.net/bugs/5730 [01:55] guys, this bit 'ssh chinstrap.warthogs.hbd.com cat $warthog_keys | gpg --import' should import the public keys into my home folder's .gnupg ? [01:55] sivang, why don't you check out RocketFuelSetup? [01:56] carlos! [01:56] kiko! [01:56] how's it going old man? [01:57] kiko, fine, thanks. Ready to work :-D [01:57] cool [01:58] carlos, spend some time looking at daf's email on bug 1681 [01:58] Malone bug #1681: Viewing a translation page fails in unix2newlines In: launchpad (upstream), Severity: Major, Assigned to: Nobody, Status: New https://launchpad.net/bugs/1681 [01:58] carlos, also, help me understand one thing: why am I not getting the usual rosetta errormail that resulted from po-attach and po-import runs? [01:58] kiko: bug 44? [01:59] Malone bug #44: Messages should be searchable. In: rosetta (upstream), Severity: Wishlist, Assigned to: Nobody, Status: New https://launchpad.net/bugs/44 [01:59] matsubara, yeah. [01:59] kiko: duped [01:59] as you see we have a lot of work to do on rosetta! [02:00] kiko, poattach is deprecated and disabled since Montreal [02:00] kiko, we were supposed to use TranslationUploads now [02:00] carlos, ok. but -import and -export are not sending me errormail, and I want to know why [02:01] kiko: I am checking the rocketfuelsetup , but I got "lock not permitted when trying to execute that bit".. [02:01] but the merge was failing because conflicts several times before I left for holidays and last merge request failed again (fixing it atm) [02:01] odd. sivang nudge lifeless? [02:01] carlos, sure, but WHAT ABOUT THE ERRORMAIL? [02:01] kiko, the only explanations I can think on are: [02:01] :) [02:01] kiko, 1: our scripts are perfect now (I doubt it) [02:02] strike 1 [02:02] of course [02:02] because: [02:02] 2: there is some problem with the mailing list or the mail from the server [02:02] Hello zarzavaturi2, [02:02] Rosetta encountered problems exporting the files you [02:02] requested. The Rosetta team has been notified of this [02:02] problem. Please reply to this email for further assistance. [02:02] so it is failing [02:02] just no errormail is being sent [02:02] kiko, I didn't touch that code so it should work/fail as usual [02:03] I will investigate it a bit today [02:03] ok? [02:03] yeah, I'll leave it on your plate. thanks. [02:03] about daf's email, will handle it today too, don't worry [02:03] BjornT, how's it going? [02:03] carlos, cool -- it's the most-duped bug we have right now [02:03] ok [02:06] kiko: I will give it another try and then see, thanks [02:08] kiko: pretty good, thanks. (except for a few problems while trying to land my branch...) [02:09] BjornT, which branch, and what's going on? [02:11] kiko: DefaultAffectsTarget. so far it has been problems caused by me, like having the wrong .bzr/parent, forgetting to push, having the wrong .bzr/x-push-data, but it should land soon. === mpt [n=mpt@200-171-140-32.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #launchpad [02:12] BjornT, don't you create branches by copying landed branches you have locally? [02:12] that way you never get it wrong [02:15] kiko: yes, i do something like that. i'm not sure why .bzr/parent and x-push-data didn't have the correct values, maybe it's because i use hard links and did something stupid. [02:16] hmmm. BjornT cp -ax? [02:17] kiko: i use cp -al [02:17] -l seems dangerous. [02:17] but.. [02:18] i don't have a large enough hard drive not to use hard links [02:19] it should be safe [02:19] if you're using fl-cow, it's pretty much guaranteed not to go wrong [02:24] BjornT, it's about 300mb per tree, not too bad IMO [02:24] SteveA? [02:25] BjornT, did the TT outgoing email land? [02:25] and has anyone seen stub? [02:25] pub holiday today [02:25] arham. [02:25] lifeless, is he reachable? I needed some gina love.. [02:26] kiko: if its simple, I can do it. If its not as I'm tired ... he probably is [02:26] kiko: yes, it did land. it should appear in the next rollout. === mdke_ [n=matt@ubuntu/member/mdke] has joined #launchpad [02:29] cool BjornT [02:29] kiko: so - do you want to talk me through some gina love for you ? [02:29] its 1230am here :-< [02:30] lifeless, yes, possibly [02:30] I am chatting to an asyncer, one moment === carlos -> lunch [02:39] daf, BjornT: well, I can't imagine anything else giving you trouble with .bzr/foo [02:39] kiko: I'm asleep on chair here, can I go to bed ? [02:39] lifeless, I'll call stub. go sleep :) [02:39] kiko: thanks, night. [02:42] hmm, who's on bzr support duty? [02:42] jblack? what's up [02:43] when I do "bzr shelve", it seems to go into an infinite loop trying to do a diffstat [02:43] I've seen this before, hmmm [02:43] first time I hear about it [02:43] I think I talked to mpool about it [02:43] do you remember what he said? [02:44] I can't recall, but it was a triviality [02:44] daf, kiko: do you have a reproducible testcase? [02:44] ah [02:44] well, it's just happened for a second time on a Launchpad tree [02:45] right, launchpad trees are a bit to big for me ;) [02:45] here's a traceback if I kill it: [02:45] bzr: ERROR: exceptions.KeyboardInterrupt: [02:45] at /usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/bzrlib/plugins/bzrtools/diffstat.py line 67 [02:45] in __str__ === stub [i=stub@sweep.bur.st] has joined #launchpad [02:45] hey stub [02:45] sorry to poke you on a holiday [02:45] Yo [02:46] but the gina run failed -- could you fix up the sql and re-run? [02:46] Its a pretty crappy movie [02:46] Fix up the SQL? [02:46] it failed because we're missing arm on dapper [02:46] daf: if you set BZR_PDB=1, it will give you a pdb prompt on an exception, which can be useful [02:46] ahh... ok. [02:46] jamesh: cool! [02:46] daf: hmm, that's while loop over here === meuamor [n=meu@85-18-14-19.fastres.net] has joined #launchpad === meuamor [n=meu@85-18-14-19.fastres.net] has left #launchpad [] [02:48] stub, what movie, btw? [02:48]