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maggardhello all02:28
maggardi have an install problem with edubuntu, can anyone help me plz?02:28
maggardi don't see anything in the install notes that help02:29
maggardanyone here?02:44
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hyrumHello, recently installed edubuntu.  My kids love it.   They have been engrossed with the animation app in gcompris.  But the image selector in the lower left corner doesnt seem to work as mentioned in the help page.  Am I just missing something or is this a bug?  Does anyone know?04:10
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aleXLHey... fantastic... one little prob with dual-booting Win2k... any help out here?11:12
bimberihi aleXL.  Ask away :)11:16
aleXLAfter shutting down Edubuntu, Win2k only boots properly second time... first attempt always ends up in hang on the Win2k splash screen (blue blobs get halfway then hang)... always works on second boot tho'11:17
aleXLIBM Thinkpad A30 (P3-900 + 256Mb + 20Gb)11:18
aleXLI've edited fstab by #ing the hda1 mount entry for the NTFS partition... still having same prob tho'... it's only after rebooting from Edubuntu...11:20
bimberialeXL: hm, sorry i don't really know, that is very strange - as if grub does something which is undone by the first w2k boot -  #ubuntu might be worth a try (640 users in there atm)11:22
aleXLwill do... yep, thought a bit odd...11:23
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lucasvohello11:43
aleXLhey11:54
=== ..[topic/#edubuntu:lucasvo] : The discussion channel for Edubuntu - the education version of Ubuntu | Mailing list: http://lists.ubuntu.com edubuntu-devel |
lucasvo          Wiki: http://www.edubuntu.org | MEETING: on #ubuntu-meeting.  Note there will be NO weekly meeting on 28 Dec and 4 Jan.| Edubuntu 5.10 is out, grab 12:03
lucasvo          it while its hot ! http://releases.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/5.10/ | Installation help http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuInstallNotes | please use 12:03
lucasvo          paste.ubuntulinux.nl for pastin12:03
lucasvoups 12:03
=== ..[topic/#edubuntu:lucasvo] : The discussion channel for Edubuntu - the education version of Ubuntu | Just ASK and wait till somebody responds | Mailing list: http://lists.ubuntu.com edubuntu-devel | Wiki: http://www.edubuntu.org | MEETING: on #ubuntu-meeting. Note there will be NO weekly meeting on 28 Dec and 4 Jan.| Edubuntu 5.10 is out, grab it while its hot ! http://releases.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/5.10/ | Installation help http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuInstallNotes | ple
aleXLKnow of any linux dyslexia progs out there? One idea is an aural spell checker that reads back what's been written hence highlighting mised out words etc.12:05
=== ..[topic/#edubuntu:lucasvo] : The discussion channel for Edubuntu - the education version of Ubuntu | Just ASK and wait till somebody responds | Mailing list: http://lists.ubuntu.com edubuntu-devel | Wiki: http://www.edubuntu.org | MEETING: on #ubuntu-meeting. Note there will be NO weekly meeting on 28 Dec and 4 Jan.| Edubuntu 5.10 is out, grab it while its hot ! http://releases.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/5.10/ | Installation help http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuInstallNotes
lucasvoaleXL: festival is text to speech but I don't know any other programm12:06
aleXLand missed out s's!12:06
aleXLWill have a look... thanks...12:06
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ogra_aleXL, the accessibility team cares about that, we closely work together12:07
YagisanG'day All12:07
juliuxhi Yagisan 12:07
ogra_(they have their weekly meeting right after ours every wednesday)12:07
YagisanG'day juliux, seen the Sydney riots on tv ?12:08
aleXLThinking 'bout mind-mapping software too...12:08
juliuxYagisan, yes, i was shocked12:08
ogra_aleXL, freemind didnt compile with gcj ...12:08
Yagisanjuliux: What are they saying overseas ? I know why the riots started, but they won't say it on tv here.12:09
ogra_aleXL, i looked at it for breezy .... there is a gcj port going on afaik, if we can have it in the default instal, we'll ship it ..12:09
juliuxYagisan, here in germany until yet not very much, but i don't read a daily newspaper12:09
juliuxYagisan, i have read something that they have attac attendat, but i don't think that this is true12:10
juliuxYagisan, i think that this was an cause but not the base12:11
Yagisanjuliux, basically, last week a *large* group of Lebanese men, attacked an beat up volunteer lifeguards because the lifeguards were white.12:12
Yagisanjuliux, it was the final catalyst for the riots12:13
juliuxYagisan, large==?12:13
juliuxYagisan, yes it was a case but not the base12:13
Yagisanjuliux as in about 6 or more men12:13
juliuxYagisan, an how much white people was it in the last days? 5000 ?12:13
Yagisanjuliux, but proir to that, we have had gang rapes of white women and girls by Lebanese men12:14
Yagisanclaiming that they could do it, as the white people didn't follow the koran.12:14
aleXLand apparently girls harassed on beaches by muslim men? So says news in uk...12:15
YagisanThey are on tv saying that they hate all non Lebanese people12:15
Yagisanyep, that too aleXL12:15
juliuxYagisan, very strange12:15
Yagisanso *finally* something snapped12:15
Yagisanand the white guys started retailiating12:16
Yagisanin a dumb-arse way12:16
aleXL'humanity to others' eh?12:16
Yagisanand now, they are the "racists"12:16
juliuxYagisan, i think that you have this all over the world12:16
YagisanI mean, pot-kettle-black12:16
YagisanOn Sunday, the white people rioted, on Monday, the Lebanese rioted. And it's almost time for another one12:18
juliuxogra_, this is very cool http://www.golem.de/showhigh2.php?file=/0511/41498.html 12:19
ogra_juliux, yup, heard about it12:20
juliuxogra_, but atm very expansive12:20
ogra_i have no idea if the Au1550 s even linux supported12:21
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ogra_Yagisan, seen the last three ltsp changelogs ? 12:25
ogra_:)12:25
YagisanI know there was something I wanted to ask, oh well. I'll remember it later12:25
Yagisanogra_: no, not yet. I'll check it out in a moment. Need to lock the doors as some hoons are outside, and give the little girl a bath12:28
ogra_oh, v 0.60 wasnt uploaded :( 12:28
Yagisanback in a bit. Hopefully I'll remember by then.12:28
ogra_that was the multiarch patch ... its not separately on the -changes list12:28
ogra_but its in current dapper now :)12:29
ogra_(with some small changes) 12:29
ogra_i.e. you have to say --arch i386 or --arch powerpc .... mdz wanted the --arch keyword in front ...12:30
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Yagisanre12:52
Yagisanogra_, mdz is picky isn't he12:52
ogra_yup, but that makes the quality of the distro ;)12:53
Yagisanjust in case anyone is wondering why I mentioned the riots, well I'm the only white guy, in an all lebanese area12:53
aleXLbe lucky...12:54
Yagisanthanks aleXL, I'm actually more worried about my non-white wife and kids12:55
aleXLLuck to them too... d'u know how I can use the spell check f7 to run festival? I'm really green at this...12:56
aleXLwithin oo2 or txteditor?12:56
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Yagisanogra_: nice to see multiarch in 0.60. He didn't like ls in the update-sshkeys ?12:58
ogra_nope, he made it a find call 12:59
YagisanaleXL, sorry no. What is festival ?12:59
aleXLtext2speech...12:59
ogra_aleXL, ping dholbach in #ubuntu-devel, he works in the a11y team12:59
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ogra_or hno79 or TheMuso12:59
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ograah, less ugly ...01:00
Yagisanogra: find, that's part of coreutils isn't it ?01:01
ogranope, thats in findutils01:02
Yagisanogra: K, it's required anyway, so no missing dependency.01:04
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pc22just reinstalled, sites with java wont work with my browsers.. pls help01:11
ograpc22, you need to install java ... edubuntu cant ship it preinstalled01:12
bimberipc22: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats (look for Java)01:12
pc22i did01:12
pc22but repositories wont work01:12
ograthe one from the miultiverse repository ? 01:12
ograthey do here 01:12
ograpc22, the one from multiverse are the only ones tested and proven to work, if you use another java i cant help ...01:13
ograinstall j2re1.4-mozilla-plugin from multiverse, it brings everything with it and configures everything for you01:15
pc22can u quote me your exact re: so i have the idea whats on your side. cos i checked all in from my side even those that are disabled01:15
ogra??01:16
pc22referring to this http://ph.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu main restricted universe multiverse01:19
pc22?01:20
pc22ogra?01:21
ogralooks fine01:22
pc22yes01:22
ograso sudo apt-get install j2re1.4-mozilla-plugin should give you all you need, except you have installed another java, that would break it01:22
pc22meaning?01:23
ograif you have sun java installed in /usr/local the one from the repos is ignored for example ...01:24
pc22ok01:24
ograif you have it installed in the same place as the package installs in you mix up the contents of the package and suns java, that breaks as well01:24
ograso stick with the repositorys and you are fine packages w offer are normally tested and dont require additional setup ...01:25
pc22thanks ogra downloading now01:26
ogragreat :)01:26
pc22hope this will work01:26
ograit will01:27
pc22what about w32 codecs? lol01:27
ograthey are totally illegal to redistribute 01:27
ograso you have to find them yourself ... 01:27
ograbut i think the RestrictedFormats wikipage has some hints01:28
pc22its not illegal in our country lol01:28
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ograits illegal in every counntry01:28
ograthe different licenses of the included codecs violate each other ...01:28
ograthere is no country law that could circumvent it01:29
pc22lol01:30
Yagisanogra: IIRC if you own a Windows license, you cam use the w32codecs01:30
Yagisans/cam/can01:30
Yagisanpc22, but unless you *really* need wmv9 format, don't bother with it01:30
ograYagisan, what about the quicktime, real and other third party codecs included in the package ? of hich some have a sentence in the license that forbids redistribution alongside with other codecs ? 01:31
pc22what about quicktime movies01:31
ograthe prob are not the windows codecs in there ... its the mix of different codecs01:31
Yagisanquicktime can usually be done with a mpeg4 decoder01:31
pc22asf01:32
Yagisanogra: those codecs can't be used on windows then01:32
ograYagisan, but stil soerensen and friends are in the package ;)01:32
Yagisanpc22 asf == wmv9 == msmpeg401:32
ograthey can, but only with special distribution permission01:32
pc22k01:32
Yagisanpc22, msmpeg4 as usual, isn't fully compatable with mpeg4. unless you are into web porn, you won't miss it.01:33
ograand you shouldnt be into web porn with a edu distro anyway *g*01:34
Yagisanogra: isn't apple the only user of soerensen ?01:34
ograYagisan, quicktime is, yes 01:34
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pc22i dont go porn01:34
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ograoh fun ...01:34
pc22on pc01:35
pc22lol01:35
ogradid you know the guy who developed decss2 is living in the US now ...01:35
YagisanMy little girl was teething on my dvds :(01:35
ograso decss2 might die some day ...01:35
ograsince he wont be able to develop it further01:35
Yagisanogra: unlikely. There is always someone determined to use the products they have purchased.01:36
pc22hmmm01:36
ograyes, there might be maintainers ...01:36
ograbut the genius is gone :/01:36
Yagisanogra: I always wonder why so-called genius's go to the USA. Why would you willingly go to a non-free country ?01:38
ogramoney01:38
ograhe was bought by linspire01:38
Yagisanwith my interest in security, I'd get the governments interest very quickly, and not the good type.01:38
ograi still wonder how he manages not to go into jail.. the RIAA will be after him for sure01:38
YagisanI'd like money too, but not that much.01:39
pc22whats with edubuntu? is it just ubuntu repackaged?01:39
ograits ubuntu with added value and built around ltsp01:40
Yagisanpc22: It's a customised version of ubuntu, targeted at schools01:40
Yagisanit is a low-cost, high quality alternative01:40
Yagisanto M$, and costs less to run01:40
ograbtw, if anyone likes to test the daily install CDs, they should be safe for a first test01:40
ograLiveCD is on its way, ETA end of the week01:41
Yagisanogra: every few hours we get asked "Is there a live cd yet ? Is there a live cd yet ? Is there a live cd yet ? Is there a live cd yet ?"01:42
ograyes, there is, its just not up until Kamion and Mithradir give their ok 01:43
ograwhich is due during the week ...01:43
pc22java wont load? do i have to restart computer?01:46
ogranope01:47
ogradefine "java wont load"01:47
ograwhat do you try  ? 01:47
pc22online.sector.sk01:47
Yagisanwhich java ?01:47
pc22games01:47
pc22i want to play java games01:48
ograYagisan, the one from multiverse01:48
pc22do i have to reinstall edubuntu?01:49
Yagisanbrb01:49
ograthere are no java games on this page01:49
ograpc22, install flashplayer-mozilla01:50
ograthe games are all flash games01:50
pc22flash is ok01:50
pc22on java01:50
pc22there are java games inside01:50
ograhmm, no idea then ... i only see flash01:50
ograand java works for me on amd64 and i386 here ...01:51
Yagisanre01:51
Yagisanpc22: please go here and see if it works http://www.java.com/en/download/help/testvm.xml01:54
Yagisanyou should see an ugly dancing java logo01:54
pc22nothing01:56
ogrado you see java listed if you type about:plugins in the location bar ? 01:57
Yagisanpc22: did you restart firefox ?01:58
ograshouldnt be needed anymore ...01:59
pc22hey its working now02:00
Yagisanogra: doesn't hurt02:00
pc22it says you are using an older version02:01
ograYagisan, yes,that might be true :)02:01
Yagisanpc22: that's because the repo has 1.402:03
Yagisanpc22: don't worry about it02:03
pc22do i need the new one/.02:04
Yagisanpc22: most java is written for earlier versions. You only need 1.5 for azureus02:04
Yagisanfor the web, I happily use the one in multiverse02:04
Yagisanwith no issues02:04
pc22sigh02:05
pc22i wonder02:05
Yagisanpc22: sun just released a new version for the hell of it02:05
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Yagisanmost of this stuff only needs java 1.302:06
pc22Yagisan, where do i get cool themes02:07
pc22i want an enlightenment look02:07
Yagisanpc22: most apps starting with gtk2-engines are themes already packaged02:08
Yagisanbut the most customising I do is remove the background wall paper, and increase the font sizes02:09
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pc22can i see your screenshot?02:12
gand__How can I open port 21 to allow FTP service?02:12
Yagisanargh, the batteries in my mouse have died!02:12
YagisanI'm keyboard only02:12
Yagisanpc22: what screenshot ?02:13
pc22your desktop02:13
gand__As in Administrtin ->service FTP is enabled but port 21 is closed!!02:13
Yagisanpc22: It is standard ubuntu human theme02:14
Yagisanpc22: I just right-clicked on the desktop and changed wallpaper to none02:14
pc22ahhh can i make transparent ?>02:14
ogragand__, which ftp server is installed ? 02:15
Yagisanpc22: not unless you have a) an nvidia card >= 6x0002:15
Yagisanb) have the composite mananger loaded02:15
gand__default edubuntu I suppose02:15
Yagisanc) have a grunty pc instead of a),02:15
ogragand__, there is no ftp server installed in edubuntu, you must have installed one manually02:15
Yagisanand d) like the pc to crash a lot, as composite is unstable02:16
pc22i have bividia02:16
pc22nvi02:16
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gand__I see that  in System->Administration->Services->FTP is checked!02:16
ogragand__, thats the tftp server for booting the thin clients02:16
gand__OK, install FTP server via synaptic package manager?02:17
ograapparently a bug in the services admin tool, that only checks for the string ftp in the service name02:17
ograyup02:17
gand__Ok I suppose It mean that a FTP server was running :)02:17
ograyes, its a bug, thatnks for pointing that out, i'll talk to the service admin guy to fix that02:18
gand__do you have a FTP server to suggest me to install via Synaptic PK manager?02:19
ograthere is a supported one ...02:19
ograsupported packages have a ubuntu logo near them02:20
ogra(for supported packages you have guaranteed security support, might be important for ftp :) )02:20
Yagisanre02:21
gand__Yes I see that I've a HPA's tftp server already Installed ! How start it :)02:21
ograthats not a ftp server02:21
ograand it runs by default02:21
ogratftp is for netbooting thin clients 02:21
ograyou cant do much more with it02:22
gand__opps I'm confusing tftp with ftp sorry02:22
ograi think there is vftp or vsftp ...02:22
ograthats the one you might want02:22
ograit should start automatically after you installed it02:22
gand__yes VSFTPD The Very Secure FTP Daemon :)02:24
ogragreat, take that one :)02:24
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=== gand__ thanks to ogra
ogra:)02:25
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gand__Yes it work only with anonymous, Now I've to confiugure to manage account?02:28
ograthere is surely a config file in /etc .... i'm not using ftp anymore over here ....02:29
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gand__yes /etc/vsftpd.conf02:40
gand__anonymous_enable=NO02:40
gand__local_enable=YES02:40
gand__:)02:40
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ogracool, thats easy02:41
gand__well quite easy :) I need that root could do ftp02:44
gand__I can with my account but not with root account02:44
gand__to explain: I need to do FTP on var/www/forum02:44
gand__but var/www is owned by root02:45
gand__I've temporaly activated root pw02:45
gand__I can log in via ftp with my admin account but not with root account?02:45
ogramake a ftp group (if it doesnt exist yet) and give write permissions to that grou ? 02:45
ograthen add your admin account to it02:46
gand__Ok I try :)02:46
ograjust a guess :)02:47
gand__As I dont'k now wery well how to manage group and permission02:47
gand__Now I try using GUI02:47
ograthre is a gui for user management02:47
ograheh02:47
ogra:)02:47
gand__well with "add group... " I create a new group with my user as group member02:50
gand__now I've to add this group as owner of /var/www/forum, right?02:51
ograyes, change the group permissions of the foleder02:52
gand__I was owned by root, I change to FTPgroup?02:53
ograas i said, i'm just guessing, the ftp server might prevent you from writing to it, i'm not sure02:53
ograyes02:53
ograleave the user as root, but change the group 02:53
gand__ok, i was asking that02:53
ograand then give the group write permissions02:53
gand__ok: owner:root group: ftpgroup 77502:55
ograyup02:56
ograif that doesnt work, i have no real idea ... but there will be docs on the net how to do it i guess02:57
gand__are this permission applied to all nested folder/file?02:57
ograyes02:57
gand__I try02:57
ograsubfolders are normally included in the permissions02:57
gand__no It say I've no write permission :(02:58
gand__when I see inside folder properties still remain root/root/ 75502:59
gand__can I do it via terminal?03:00
ogratry inside the folder: sudo chown -R root.ftpgroup .03:01
gand__chown: too few arguments03:03
ograsudo chown -R root.ftpgroup /var/www/forum03:03
gand__yes now from 755 tp 775?03:06
gand__is chmod?03:06
ograyup03:06
ograchmod -R 775 /var/www/forum03:07
stecammauricio , oi ! sou o Uwe de londrina - recebeu meu email ?03:13
mhzstecam: yup03:14
stecamhi , nice to meet you 03:15
mhzstecam: thanks for the email and interest03:15
stecamsorry my portuguese is not too good , maybe we can try in english 03:15
mhzhehehe03:15
mhzstecam: actually, I speak no portuguese03:15
stecamright - i see ! 03:16
stecamthe lets try in english 03:16
ograto raise the bar, you could try in german ;)03:16
ograof french03:16
ogras/of/or 03:17
stecami explained , what we are trying here - so is there any point where we coulkd lcollaborate ? what do you think ?03:17
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mhzstecam: absolutely03:21
mhzstecam: did you read the page about tenoicmiento (in english)?03:21
mhztecnocimiento, sorry03:21
stecamfine - yes , i started. you must know , that i am not a computerspecialist. i am still learning . 03:22
mhzstecam: if needed, (i guess it is) I could add lots of more info to it, for you03:22
mhzstecam: I am not one, either03:22
mhz:)03:22
stecamevrything is needed :)03:22
mhzyup03:22
mhzstecam: I have some questions that I'll email them to you03:23
stecamthe point is , time is precious and i want to get started . thats why i try to get infos from elsewhere03:23
stecamyes , email is probably a better way to discuss this calmly 03:23
stecamanyway - i have to leave now. 03:24
stecamnice to meet you mhz- please send your questions by mail 03:24
mhzokis, stecam nice meeting you too03:25
stecambye - have a nice day nhz- greets to chile 03:26
mhzstecam: hehehhe, thx03:26
mhzogra: hi there. Is your umeet talk today or was it yesterday?03:26
ograits today 03:26
ograi still dont know *where*03:27
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ogra18:00 UTC btw03:27
mhzokis.03:27
mhzogra: it's a #linux channel03:27
ograah, k 03:28
mhzI can send you the info if you need it03:28
mhz(server info)03:28
ograthat'd be nice ... 03:28
mhzokis03:28
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ograso i can save the time for looking it up, its a very busya day for me ...03:28
ograand we have a TB meeting right after y talk03:28
ogra*my03:28
mhzogra: All the activities will take place on the #linux channel at the UniNet IRC03:29
mhznetwork. You connect using our main server rotation, irc.uninet.edu, or03:29
mhzvia webchat at:03:29
mhzhttp://webchat.uninet.edu/channel/linux03:29
ograah, thanks a lot03:29
mhzI'm glad I can help. After all, you definately do much stuff03:29
gand__thanks bye03:29
ograarent they on freenode as well ?03:29
mhzit seems not, I am not sure :(03:30
mhzogra: TB meeting?03:30
ogratech board03:30
mhzoooh03:31
ograhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/TechnicalBoardAgenda03:31
mhzduh!03:31
mhz:)03:31
ograbah, scping isos over wireless is soo slow ...03:31
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mhzogra: I have been working on a set of Gartoon Icons (64x64) for Wmaker, even the clip. I still ignore how they get to be 'default' once a person installs something like edubuntu-wmaker03:32
mhzogra: you are nuts! wifi is slow03:32
mhztry wi-max03:32
ograyes...03:32
mhz70 mbps03:32
ograi only have a 5Mbit card here03:33
mhzoh03:33
mhzwhy not use RJ45?03:33
ograand in dapper CD writing is broken, so i have to move the isos to a breezy box03:33
mhzhehehehe03:33
platoshi03:33
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mhzhi platos 03:33
platosdoes anyone know how to configure sound on ltsp?03:34
platosi've tried some things, but it doesnt quite work03:34
mhzplatos: sound is not ready in breezy03:34
mhzplatos: dapper may have that solved03:35
ograplatos, its about to enter dapper ...03:35
platosi know, but isnt there an hack around that?03:35
ograsure03:35
ograthats the spec how i implement it in dapper https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ThinClientAudioSupport03:35
ograyou can use it for breezy ...03:36
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platosok, i'll give that a try03:36
platosthanks03:36
ograi also have a bazaar branch for the implementation: http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/bzr-archive/ltsp/sound/03:36
ograbut thats based on dapper already03:36
ogra(but might help)03:37
platoswell i've tried upgrading to dapper, but somehow the clients wouldnt boot after that03:37
ograid you only upgrade the server or also the chroot03:37
ograit boots fine for me03:37
ogra(i hae X issues on one client though)03:37
platosi updated the server and then i runned ltsp-build-client03:38
ograouch03:38
platosand it looks like it couldnt find the pxe image03:38
platosit was really weird03:38
ogranever do that if you already have an existing chroot03:38
platosi removed the old one first :)03:38
ograjust chroot into it and run apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade03:39
platosand is sound implemented then?03:39
ograand afterwards run ltsp-update-kernels to move the new kernbel into the PXE root for booting03:39
ogranot yet03:39
platosbut i can use your bazaar thing for that right?03:39
ograi sent it to mdz for review yesterday, but he's on holiday since today for a week ...03:40
platosoh so it would be implemented in januari or something ilke that?03:40
ograyes, you can copy the appropriate pieces into place, but be vey careful03:40
platos*like that?03:40
ograearlier03:40
ograi guess in two weeks it will be in ...03:40
ograyou then have to set SOUND = 1 or SOUND = True in your lts.conf03:41
ograthe rest will be automatic03:41
platosoh well, i guess i'll try to do it myself first and if it goes wrong, i guess i'll always have my ghost03:41
ograheh03:41
platosisnt it SOUND=Y ?03:41
mhzhe03:41
mhznope03:41
ograplatos, it could also be SOUND=platos ;)03:41
mhzeihter 0 or 103:41
mhzLOl03:42
ograthe script only checks if SOUND contains something ;)03:42
mhzoooh03:42
platoslol03:42
platoscool03:42
ograeven 0 woul enable it03:42
mhzogra: and you did that?03:42
ograhmm, which might be a bug ...03:42
ogramhz, yup ...03:42
mhzit is cool! it shows the 'haching' spirit, congrats!03:42
mhzhacking03:43
ograthe only bit thats missing is some change in the desktop audio autodetection...03:43
ograbut thats waiting for gstreamer 0.1003:43
mhzwell, that could be dapper +103:43
ogranope03:43
ograits dapper03:43
mhzwhy?03:43
ograwe switch to a new sound model on the desktop ...03:43
mhzoh, you wanna do it all, for dapper?03:43
platoswhich one? alsa?03:44
mhzok, now i see03:44
ografully autodetection and alsa prefered over esd03:44
mhzinteresting03:44
ograso i have to write a ltspsink for gstreamer that gets preferred if LTSP_CLIENT is set03:44
ograelse it would default to alsa and wouldnt work03:44
mhzgood point03:45
ogradapper+1 will drop esd, even on thin clients and we'll try something completely new, fully gstreamer based03:45
ograor with luck even more low level by a direct alsa transport03:45
platoswow, well good luck with that. Isn't that a problem with gnome?03:45
ogranope03:46
ogragnome switches to gstreamer with this release03:46
ograall libesd calls should be gone ...03:46
platosyay thats great03:47
ograyup03:47
platosfinally some luck with my project03:47
ograad if we manage the alsa stuff for dapper+1 you'll have encrypted audio through ssh ...03:47
ograand will most likely even be able to control the volume ... whic is not possible with esd03:48
platosthat would be nice, as esd is a little unprotected i've read :P03:48
ogradoesnt matter on readolny systems like our thin clients are ...03:48
ograits just that students an modify the output ip ....03:49
ograso i could play sounds on yourthin client from mne ;)03:49
platoslol, i'm gonna disable the console for my students03:49
platosbtw i'm upgrading to dapper as we speak03:49
ograthere is stillthe terminal :)03:49
platoshm, well i live in holland and its for an primary school03:50
platosand in holland most children aren't so into linux, so they dont even know what an console is03:50
platosso thats my luck03:50
ograheh03:50
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platosoh belgium or germany?03:51
ogragermany ...03:51
ograin the eifel to be precise03:51
platoswell i live about 2km near the border ^^03:51
ograabout 80km away from belgium/nl03:51
platosof germany that is03:51
platosi live near enschede03:52
ograah, nice thats near03:52
platosbut i'm still a linux starter though03:53
ograwe all were once :)03:53
platosI started this schoolyear with linux, and I simply love it03:53
ogragreat :)03:54
platosyupz, i started with fedora, tried suse and fell in love with ubuntu ;)03:55
platosbut anyways, i have to compile the software in the bazaar link you gave me right?03:56
platoshow do i do that?03:57
platoscan i use ./configure && ./make and then copy the files03:57
platosor do i have to use gcc seperately03:57
ograthe<y are scripts03:57
ograjust copy them in place03:57
ogranothing to compile03:58
platosoh just bash scripts?03:58
platosgreat03:58
ograhttp://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/bzr-archive/ltsp/sound/client/ldm needs to go to /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/sbin/ for example ...03:59
platosand thats for dapper right?03:59
ograyup03:59
platosi'll definitely try that out and report my findings03:59
ograand http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/bzr-archive/ltsp/sound/debian/ltsp-client.ltsp-client-setup.init should be copied to become /opt/ltsp/i386/etcinit.d/ltsp-client-setup04:00
ograthen just make sure to install esound-clents on the server and esound in the chroot 04:00
spaceyshit04:00
ogra*esound-clients04:00
spaceydid i miss a meeting today?04:00
ograspacey, nope04:01
platosthanks, i'll copy that down04:01
ogrado you want one ? 04:01
spaceyno04:01
spaceybut normally its on tuesday right04:01
ograwe can easily set one up if you got withrawal occurences ;)04:01
spacey:D04:01
ogranope, on wednesday04:01
spaceyoh ok04:01
spacey:)04:01
spaceygood:P04:02
ograhttp://fridge.ubuntu.com/event ;)04:02
spaceywouldn't want to miss out on the fun :P04:02
ograthere is also an ical file for evolution ...04:02
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mhzspacey: you are not the only one who misses stuff04:08
mhz:)04:08
mhzor thinks he misses stuff04:09
mhzI missed Motu-School;04:09
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mhzogra_thin: are showin off your thin client? :D04:39
ogra_thindvd writing didnt work from the commandline04:40
mhzboooh04:40
mhzweired04:40
ogra_thinapparently it works with nautilus with no probs ...04:40
ogra_thinand my breezy box is my headless ltsp server :)04:41
ogra_thinso i write it remote from a thin client04:41
mhzthat's another reason I prefer command line over GUI (to know why an error occured)04:41
mhzwow04:41
mhzI do that all the time :) for CDs04:42
mhzogra_thin: : I have been working on a set of Gartoon Icons (64x64) for Wmaker, even the clip. I still ignore how they get to be 'default' once a person installs something like edubuntu-wmaker04:42
ogra_thinyou should submit them to the gartoon author, so he can include them ....04:43
mhzI'd like to know what else should i take care of regarding this idea. (so far, I am on wallpaper, style colors and icons)04:43
ogra_thinas long as wmaker uses freedesktop stamdards (which every WM should nowadays) it should work fine04:43
mhzyes, but besides the wallpaper, style colors and icons.. what else?04:44
platosbuttons?04:45
ogra_thini dont know, its years ago that i saw wmaker the last time04:45
lucasvomhz: menu?04:46
lucasvomhz: desktop icons?04:46
ogra_thinisnt that style _04:46
mhzlucasvo: ?04:46
ogra_thinthe menu i mean04:46
lucasvomhz: you are doing a design?04:47
lucasvomhz: style?04:47
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mhzlucasvo: I am working on a wmaker theme and iconing for edubuntu users04:47
ogra_thinmhz, i would just grab another design you consider complete and exchange the bits and pieces04:48
mhzso far, wallpaper + using reduced-size gartoon icons + stylus colors04:48
mhzogra_thin: yes, but icons are not set there, are set manually04:48
ogra_thinthats buggy04:49
mhzyes04:49
mhzI even changed the clip04:49
ogra_thinwhy dont you use xfce 04:49
mhzfor a dapper clip04:49
mhzdapper wrong04:49
mhzgartoon clip, right04:49
ogra_thinwmaker will never end up in main, you will always have to tweak a lot04:49
ogra_thinxfce will move to main in dapper as a lightweight alternative04:50
mhzogra_thin: my knowledge is xfce is not optimal for servers that do not have 128 RAM p/client.04:50
ogra_thinxfce runs fine with about 64MB or less per client04:50
mhzand wmaker works much faster then. My idea of a wmaker edubuntu desktop is that those users/schools can just install something like edubuntu-wmaker04:51
ogra_thin128 is a gnome/kde value04:51
mhzand get the icons and the theme/style al ltogether04:51
ogra_thinthen rather call it edubuntu-wmaker-style04:51
ogra_thinand build it based on other style packages that might exist04:52
mhzogra_thin: I agree xfce runs fine, but again, consider this: server with 512 MB and 20 clients04:52
ogra_thinwill run fine04:52
ogra_thinxfce is very lightweigt04:52
ogra_thinbut still freedesktop compliant04:53
mhzyup, and wmaker is even faster04:53
ogra_thinand incompatible to everything ...04:53
mhzoh, i missed that part.04:53
mhzicompatible?04:53
ogra_thinyou will have a lot of work with manual setting up menu changes etc04:53
ogra_thinwmaker apparently doesnt follow the freedesktop standard thats used everywhere04:54
mhzogra_thin: so, no way I prepare a wmaker set that does not require manual config?04:54
ogra_thinso menu changes or adding icons will be a pain for a normal teacher04:55
ogra_thinif you (the teacher) installs an app, how will it show up in th emenu04:55
mhzsimple, it is there04:56
mhzor if no rebooting, then you have to run update-menus04:56
ogra_thinso does it or does it not follow freedesktop and menu-xdg standards 04:56
mhzno idea, i can find out04:57
ogra_thinthen you get a debian menu04:57
mhzyup04:57
ogra_thinupdate-menus builds debian menus regardless if you have a age or class dependent menu04:57
mhzmy menus are not intend to show icons. I am making apps use gartoon icons04:57
ogra_thinit will just ignore all the edubuntu specifics04:57
mhzoh04:58
mhzcrap04:58
ogra_thinsince these are waved wround freedesktop standards04:58
mhzooops, sorry... sheeps04:58
ogra_thinheh04:58
mhzhmmmm04:58
mhzso, you say wmaker is not an option04:58
mhzogra__: ?04:59
ogra_thinif you want it easy for the teacher i doubt that, but as i said, i didnt use it for years... might have all changed04:59
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mhzlucasvo: opinions?05:00
mhzlucasvo: opinions?05:18
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ograin case someone is intrested, i'll hold an umeet online talk about edubuntu on irc.uninet.edu in #linux in 5 mins06:55
lucasvoogra: already finished?07:13
lucasvois there any way how to update from breezy to dapper?07:20
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gandI've installed vsftpd and I can log as user, but I get autenticatin error when I log as root (I temporaly set the root pw). Any idea? Can a root log in via FTP?07:33
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TFPhi08:25
TFPi just wanted to know if edubuntu is also available in german language08:25
ograTFP, natuerlich ;)08:28
TFPalso nicht nur die distro sondern auch die programme?08:30
ograjup08:30
ogralets keep this channel english, or open a #edubuntu-d channel ;)08:31
TFPok08:31
TFPnp08:31
ogra* #edubuntu-de 08:31
TFPthen i think i will install it on my sister's pc08:31
ograthe CD only contains the english language packs due to space issues, so you need a network connection during install with it.... or you take the DVD which contains all 90 languages we offer08:32
TFPthats no prob, have a 3Mbit connection08:33
ogragreat 08:34
ograthe apps theselves have their translations in the language packs we offer ... we plan to make separate language pack CDs in the future to make translation updates available ...08:35
ograbut thats the future ... only in planning state yet08:35
TFPthat's enough for me08:36
ogra:)08:37
TFPi'm planning to give my sister my old pc08:37
TFPand dont have time to secure her pc and patch every hole in the xp machine, so i will just stick with edubuntu08:37
TFPhave ubuntu on my machine too08:38
TFPand everything just works fine08:38
TFPso hope edubuntu will work too08:38
ograthat should apply to edubuntu as well 08:38
TFP;)08:38
ogramake sure to read http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuInstallNotes before installing08:38
ograi guess you dont need a classroom install ;)08:38
TFPme too08:38
lucasvoogra: cool08:43
lucasvoogra: I am talking about your speech08:43
lucasvoogra: I am intersted in use for older students....08:44
ograthanks :)08:44
lucasvoogra: and how about ubuntu+ldap?08:45
lucasvoor let's sau libpam-ldap?08:45
lucasvois it working out of the box?08:45
ogranope, not yet08:46
ograand not in focus for dapper ....08:46
ograbut i know its planned for dapper+108:46
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lucasvoogra: #ubuntu-meeting?08:54
ograyup08:54
ograin 5 mins08:54
lucasvoogra: I would like to upgrade to dapper now... how can I do that?08:54
ograagenda is on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TechnicalBoardAgenda08:54
lucasvowhat would be GAU?08:54
ograyou can just change the sources.list file 08:55
lucasvoogra: s/breezy/dapper/g ?08:55
ograchange all occurences of breezy to dapper08:55
ograyup08:55
ograbut beware its a development release, you migt see breakage noody knows about yet :)08:56
ogra*nobody08:56
ograthe hardware detection, initramfs and kernel changed completely, so GAU might be it doesnt boot anymore08:56
lucasvook08:57
ograalso dont use the dist-upgrade command of apt in a development release08:57
lucasvook08:58
ograonly use the upgrade command and cherrypick packages that are held back manually08:58
lucasvoE: Dynamic MMap ran out of room08:59
lucasvoE: Error occurred while processing libkonq4 (NewVersion1)08:59
lucasvoE: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/dpkg/status08:59
lucasvoE: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened.08:59
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lucasvoogra: when I update: 09:19
lucasvohttp://pastebin.com/462706 < sources.list09:19
lucasvo20:59 < lucasvo> E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room09:19
ogralucasvo, after the meeting please09:19
lucasvoogra: ok09:20
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janimoogra, is there a need for a lighter edubuntu?09:46
janimoif so I'll need to at least think of how it affects xubuntu and maybe help out09:46
ograjanimo, there is a lot of user demand ...09:46
janimofor the server or the thin clients?09:46
ograthats the same 09:47
ograi can explain you ltsp a bit after the meeting ...09:47
janimoah I thought the server is a beefy machine running gnome09:47
janimoand the clients smallish hw, hence the lightweight ldm (or so I thought)09:48
janimono hurry09:48
ograldm is a security decision ...09:48
lucasvojanimo: I'll give it a try....09:59
janimolucasvo, ? :)09:59
lucasvoyou have a server(running X, usually the full edubuntu installation)10:00
janimoah ltsp/edubuntu setup explanation, ok10:00
lucasvoa client is nothing else than a small linux booting into ldm.10:00
lucasvoldm then makes sure you authenticate yourself and sets up a connection to an Xclient running on the server10:01
lucasvousing the Xserver on the client(where ldm was running)10:01
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janimoand you install two falvors of edubuntu on server and client?10:01
lucasvofor e.g. it starts up a gnome session10:02
lucasvoserver = ubuntu + edubuntu=server + ... 10:02
lucasvoclient ~= ubuntu-server+ltsp thingies10:03
janimoaha, so gnome is installed only on server?10:03
janimoin a default setup I mean10:03
lucasvoyes10:03
lucasvothere isn't any Xclient on the client10:03
lucasvoonly Xserver10:03
lucasvowhich uses ssh to connect to Xclient running on the server10:03
janimowhich side would benefit more from a lightweigth desktop?10:04
lucasvoserver10:05
lucasvothe (lightweigth) desktop runs on the Server(xclient)10:05
janimoso it handles more clients with same amount of RAM?10:05
lucasvoyes10:05
janimoand the clients(Xserver) are affected also I assume, but not as much?10:06
janimoI guess some apps keep data in the xserver10:06
ograok, back10:06
lucasvonot as much10:06
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ograthats marginal ...10:07
lucasvoogra: is it normal thath 400packages are held back?10:07
ograthe prob currently is that you need about 128MB per client on your server 10:07
ogralucasvo, yup, thats normal if you dont use dist upgrade, especially if you use any KDE stuff10:08
lucasvobecause of bloatware gnome10:08
ografor KDE its even more10:08
lucasvohm, another reason to kick out my kde10:08
janimowow, that is a lot10:08
janimodoes it have to do with ltsp specifics or just plain desktop app memory use?10:09
lucasvo(/me doesn't agree with linus about kde & gnome)10:09
ograso for a 20 client setup you need some GB of ram, which is fine in most cases in the US or germany or other rich countries10:09
janimoholy pig10:09
janimoI thought a 512M would be just fine10:09
lucasvojanimo: ever tried to run gnome on 32MB of ram?10:09
ograbut we have many requests for smaller setups from southamerica or southaftica where you simply dont have the funds in a school for such a big server10:09
janimoI thought the server can reuse some same RAM 10:10
ograso having xubuntu installable as an alternative desktop would be great10:10
janimoat least for shared libs it should right, independent of clients?10:10
ograyes, some is shared 10:10
janimoso this is what all LTSP installs require?10:10
ograyou wouldnt want to run gnome or KDE below 256MB nowadays on a standalone system10:10
ograso there is already a lot sharing going on10:11
lucasvojanimo for e.g. revamp-it.ch (a charity organisation in Zurich) I work with is using old pc's in affrica with ltsp10:11
janimoyes, somehow I always thought of the L in LTSP as lightweight, and because of thin client I assumed thins server too :)10:11
ograthe client isnt counting here10:11
janimowell that's true for romania (where I live too)10:11
ograits only the server and the ram usage for the desktops there that matters10:11
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janimocool so a xubuntu would maybe even double the number of clients per same amount of RAM10:12
ograyup10:12
janimoeven though the major hugs are X and firefox which we use too :)10:12
zdziczekWhen I start a session on an Edubuntu client, does the client or the server handle the CPU, Memory load?10:12
ograits usual that people using ltsp use icewm or something similar10:12
ograzdziczek, the server10:12
zdziczekogra, so if 20 people all had OpenOffice working from client machines, the server would choke on memory?10:13
ograjanimo, but it think xcfe can cope with it and is better to integrate10:13
janimoI actually think of having icewm included too, maybe we can colaborate with ubuntulite as they have lightweight apps but are not working closely enough to be maintainable10:13
ograzdziczek, generally we say you need 128MB per client for the server plus 256MB for the server itself, then it should work smoothly10:13
janimoit could fit on the CD as it is small if some people show interest and do the work. ButI have only today asked for renewing talks with Ulite10:14
janimoindeed xfce will not be heavy while also not looking like 199310:14
zdziczekogra, that's a lot of memory!10:14
ograjanimo, i tried to work with them when i had a SoC student a while back, it somehow didnt work10:14
janimoah I remember about seeing that spec10:14
janimothis time we'll make it :)10:14
ograzdziczek, not really, if you compare with a standalone system10:15
zdziczekogra, there is no way to utilize the CPU/Memory of the thin clients where possible?10:15
janimojust let me know if anything is needed in xubuntu besides base desktop being usable and installable10:15
janimolike special tricks you do to install/gnome etc10:15
ograzdziczek, not yet ... something in this direction will be done in dapper+1 (the october release)10:15
lucasvozdziczek: debian + openmosix + kernel 2.4+ a lot of work is what you need10:15
zdziczekgood progress10:15
zdziczekalso, do you know how to set the default application for file types for all clients at once?10:16
lucasvofinally usplash for the client, juhu!10:16
zdziczeklike say, PDFs10:16
ograzdziczek, but as i just said to janimo, if you run a standalone gnome or KDE desktop you wouldnt want to use less than 256MB on the machine, so 128MB per lient with one of tese desktops is already a good win10:16
janimoin those 128M per client X is not included at all right?just apps10:17
ograzdziczek, you can do that via gconf settings, there is a administrator handbook for gnome on gnome.org somewhere, not sure how much out of date it is10:17
zdziczekogra, yes i didnt mean it that way -- i just meant if you have a large lab -- you'd need to have many servers or a farm10:17
ograjanimo, X doesnt run on the server 10:17
ogra(doesnt need to)10:18
ograzdziczek, yup, thats the drawback10:18
janimoso a 128M/client is actually a bit more that 128M on a standalone desktop as X is not counted10:18
lucasvojanimo: 128MB per client on the server only10:18
ograthe clients need about 64MB to boot and run the X server in fullcolor mode ...10:19
lucasvoon the client-pc you just need enough for X to run10:19
janimoas if client had 128 + the amount already holding base system + Xserver10:19
ograswitching down to 16bit should get you to 48MB10:19
janimois the X server or the base system eating the more ram?10:19
ograthe client uses its ram only for booting and starting up X10:20
lucasvojanimo: X server10:20
janimomaybe Tiny-X could be evaled?10:20
janimojust a thought10:20
ogranope10:20
ograwe rely 100% on our xorg packages and their autodetection capabilities10:20
lucasvoeven if they aren't working :D10:20
janimoI mean if tiny-x got packaged.it is in 7.0 AFAIK10:20
ograthe big advantage with the ubuntu ltsp is that you dont need to configure anything10:21
janimothat's true.10:21
lucasvoit takes about 10 min 10:21
janimobut in such large setups if there's a knowledgable admin a lot of resources could be saved with some advanced tweaks.anyway irrelevant at this point10:22
janimocool, if only I could find a room with many boxes to try it out :)10:22
janimoschools here seems to shy away from free stuff.10:22
janimogot brainwashed from upstream10:23
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lucasvojanimo: the problem is that for e.g. in kongo there isn't enough money to pay IT specialist... so tweaking is no option10:24
janimotrue10:24
janimovolunteers maybe :)10:25
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lucasvojanimo: do you know someboyd who wants to pay a flight to Affrica?10:25
janimoI mean kongo-ubuntu LoCo team10:26
lucasvothere isn't any yet10:26
lucasvoI think10:26
janimoare you there btw?10:26
ogra_start one :)10:26
janimoI think the nice thing with ubuntu is that it encourages decentralization10:27
lucasvojanimo: no I am in one of the richest countries of the world :D10:27
janimoas opposed to waiting for the certified specialist from the 'first world'10:27
lucasvojanimo: we throw pc's away, people are using in affrica10:27
janimochances are that those who install a lab of 20 PCs in kongo will know enough to at least ask for help online :)10:28
lucasvojanimo: I am a student in CH, so couldn't even go to kongo...10:28
janimogreat thing10:28
lucasvojanimo: how should one get online?10:28
janimowell, why don;t you send down some infrastrcuture too ;) ?10:28
janimook I see your point10:28
ograthey often dont even hav power down there 10:29
janimobut I though foundations generally take some knowhow with them don;t just pack PCs along with fridges and TVs and send them away10:29
ogralet alone phone lines10:29
lucasvojanimo: as I said I am working with www.revamp-it.ch and they are doing exactly this10:29
janimolooking at it10:29
lucasvoogra: but they will soon have wimax :P10:29
lucasvopowered by intel10:30
ograthere is a very cool project of a guy driving around with a moped and collecting emails from people without connection... 10:30
lucasvocool10:30
janimowith a laptop?10:30
ograhe then sends the ails from home to the et, collects the answers and transports hem by moped to the people again10:30
ograyup10:31
janimocool,10:31
ograyou can hand him your usbstick and he carries your mail to the web10:31
janimohello Sir. bzr pull, kthxby10:31
lucasvoogra: what about edubuntu for older students?10:31
ograa similar project is there with someone driving around with a CD writer10:31
lucasvothis is a brilliant idea...10:32
ogralucasvo, for now we'll only have 3 diffrent themes ...10:32
lucasvoogra: I have to note that10:32
ografor three different ages10:32
lucasvoogra: I will talk about that with revamp-it10:32
lucasvoogra: is it already working in dapper?10:32
ograbut the plan is to make menu profiles later that a) respect the theme/ages selection and b) are task driven ...10:33
ogranope10:33
ograthats not for dapper10:33
ogradapper will only have the three themes as a base for the other stuff10:33
janimonight guys10:33
ogranight janimo 10:33
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lucasvoogra: so, I can't speed it somehow up?10:35
lucasvois there any todo list?10:35
ograthere is the list in the meeting notes from the edubuntu roadmap meeting we had in montreal10:36
lucasvoogra: is it in the wiki?10:36
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lucasvohi claude 10:56
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francoisbHello,11:20
lucasvofrancoisb: good night11:21
francoisbI've installed an edubuntu in place of an ubuntu to have an ltsp server11:22
francoisbI kept my home partition11:22
francoisbEverything seems fine but it's impossible to login on the TX11:23
ogradid you read http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuInstallNotes ?11:23
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francoisbI don't know*11:24
francoisbOk I've read it11:26
ograare the clients booting fine ? 11:26
francoisbYes until the login screen11:26
francoisbbut read-only errors are reported11:27
ograthats normal ...11:27
francoisbone in /network/run/ifstate11:28
ograits some cosmetic stuff that will go away in the next release11:28
ogradont worry about it, its all fiune if you get to the login screen...11:28
ograbut check /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/ssh/ssh_known_hosts on the server11:28
ograit should contain a host key and the right ip address11:28
ograif thats not the case, run sudo ltsp-update-sshkeys 11:29
ogramake sure sshd is running on the server if you try to log in ...11:29
francoisbI try11:29
ograand indeed the user must exist on the server ....11:30
francoisbThere is some 192.168.0.1 but I swaped the server to 10.0.0.211:32
ograah, then run the command i gave you above11:32
ograand make sure 10.0.0.2 shows up in the file with a key assigned11:33
francoisbThank you, I did'nt knows if this command was availaible now11:33
ograthe command is always available as long as edubuntu-server is installed (the default)11:34
francoisbIt's updated11:35
ogragreat11:35
ogranow try to boot the client and try to log in again11:35
francoisbI'ts fine !11:36
ogragreat :)11:36
francoisbNow can demontrate how to use old PC's (we have some in Franbce too)11:37
ograthey are everywhere in the world ;)11:38
francoisbI would be glad to participate somehow (french translation of Wiki?)11:38
ograsure11:39
ograif you have time, come to the weekly meeting tomorrow11:39
ograits at 13:00 european time every wednesday11:40
ograin #ubuntu-meeting 11:40
lucasvoI have school then, but I think I will just log it :D11:40
francoisbOn Xchat?11:40
francoisbOk, I'll try11:40
ogragreat :) 11:40
ogralucasvo, its logged on  http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/ as this channel is too ...11:41
lucasvohm, ok11:41
ogra(all ubuntu channels are logged there)11:41
lucasvo13:00 gmt?11:41
ogra12:00 gmt 11:42
francoisbYou can send me things to translate by mail either11:42
ogra13:00 german/french/swiss time11:42
claudefrancoisb: subscribe to the french mailing list11:42
ografrancoisb, the documentation guys will be there ... i do more development than docs11:42
claudewe coordinate there work in french11:42
ograwe have a good bunch of stuff different people work on and translate on ..11:43
francoisbThe adress ?11:43
ograi.e. most important is the edubuntu cookbook where alrady some work is happening11:43
claudefrancoisb: ubuntu_edubuntu-subscribe@lists.apinc.org11:44
francoisbOk, thanks11:45
ografrancoisb, the edubuntu-devel list might also be intresting, the main development and doc work is done there ... the edubuntu-fr people just started to coordinate with us there too11:46
ogralucasvo, hmm what did you delete from the topic, seems there is missing a bunch of stuff11:47
loogaroohi11:48
francoisbI'm in contact with the french Skolelinux staff, It could be fine to have synergy11:48
=== ..[topic/#edubuntu:ogra] : The discussion channel for Edubuntu - the education version of Ubuntu | Just ASK and wait till somebody responds | Mailing List http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/edubuntu-devel | Wiki: http://www.edubuntu.org | MEETING: on #ubuntu-meeting. Note there will be NO weekly meeting on 28 Dec and 4 Jan.| Edubuntu 5.10 is out, grab it while its hot ! http://releases.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/5.10/ | Installation help http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuIn
loogaroohi ogra11:48
ografrancoisb, yes, that would be cool... the german guys just invited me to visit their lab in february ...11:49
lucasvoogra: ehm I just added "Just ASK and wait till somebody11:49
ograhi loogaroo 11:49
lucasvo          responds"11:49
lucasvoogra: and removed the pastebin11:49
ograthe meeting date is missing too and the url for mailing list subscription was broken11:50
lucasvoogra: hm, this is strange11:50
lucasvoogra: sorry11:50
=== ..[topic/#edubuntu:ogra] : The discussion channel for Edubuntu - the education version of Ubuntu | Just ASK and wait till somebody responds | Mailing List http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/edubuntu-devel | Wiki: http://www.edubuntu.org | MEETING: on #ubuntu-meeting. Note there will be NO weekly meeting on 28 Dec and 4 Jan.| Edubuntu 5.10 is out, http://releases.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/5.10/ | Installation help http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuInstallNotes
francoisbOk, have a good night now11:50
ograand the pastebin os very helpful...11:50
ogralucasvo, no worrie :)11:51
ogras11:51
lucasvoogra: but is it more important than telling users just to ask?11:51
ograthe lenght is limited and the just ask text is very long ...11:51
ograusually JaneW puts in all important dates and urls there11:51
lucasvohttp://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/edubuntu-devel  < is long as well11:52
lucasvo:D11:52
ograyes, but we want people to be able to subscribe easy without searching...11:52
ogragetting more people on the list is an oimportant task to show we have a community... so mark will keep the project running11:53
=== ..[topic/#edubuntu:ogra] : The discussion channel for Edubuntu - the education version of Ubuntu | Just ASK and wait till somebody responds | Mailing List http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/edubuntu-devel | Wiki: http://wiki.edubuntu.org | Website http://www.edubuntu.org | MEETING: on #ubuntu-meeting. Note there will be NO weekly meeting on 28 Dec and 4 Jan.| Edubuntu 5.10 is out, http://releases.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/5.10/ | Installation help http://wiki.edubuntu.org
ograargh11:54
lucasvoogra: :D11:54
ograsorry, but i will delete that sentence ... there is just not enough space11:54
lucasvono problem11:54
lucasvoogra: but why is this still in topic: dubuntu 5.10 is out,11:55
lucasvoalready more than 2 month olds....11:55
lucasvoogra: is makr talking about stopping funding edubuntu?11:56
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ogradamned11:57
=== ..[topic/#edubuntu:ogra] : The discussion channel for Edubuntu - the education version of Ubuntu | Mailing List http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/edubuntu-devel | Wiki: http://wiki.edubuntu.org | Website http://www.edubuntu.org | MEETING: on Dec. 14th 12:00 UTC in #ubuntu-meeting. there will be NO weekly meeting on 28 Dec and 4 Jan.| edubuntu 5.10 isos: http://releases.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/5.10/ | Read before installing: http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuInstallNotes
ografinally11:58
lucasvoThe discussion channel for Edubuntu - the education version of Ubuntu, download Version 5.10 on  http://releases.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/5.10/ | ......11:58
lucasvowhat do you think of this^^11:58
ografeel free to shuffle stuff around now, just make sure all info is still in there :)11:59
lucasvoogra: I first have to find out how to change topic correctly in irssi12:00
ogralucasvo, the project is still young, and he will measure its success by people participating in the official channels, lists and the wiki12:00
lucasvoah you juast have to press tab12:00
lucasvoogra: hm, ok12:00
ograthings like this will for example decide about a pressed CD for dapper 12:01
=== ..[topic/#edubuntu:lucasvo] : The discussion channel for Edubuntu - the education version of Ubuntu, download: http://releases.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/5.10/ | Mailing List http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/edubuntu-devel | Wiki: http://wiki.edubuntu.org | Website http://www.edubuntu.org | MEETING: on Dec. 14th 12:00 UTC in #ubuntu-meeting. there will be NO meeting on 28 Dec and 4 Jan. | Read before installing: http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuInstallNotes
ogragreat :)12:02
loogaroowhere can I file bugs for edubuntu?12:03
loogaroolaunchpad.net oder bugzilla,ubuntu.com?12:03
ograin bugzilla.ubuntu.com12:03
ograall stuff contained in edubuntu is in main... bugs for main go to bugzilla ...12:03
ogrause launchpad only for bugs in universe packages12:04
loogarooand die bugs from dapper to launchpad, or?12:04
ogranope, the same applies for dapper12:04
ograyou are running dapper ? 12:05
loogaroohmm, ok12:05
loogaroono, breezy12:05
ograah ok12:05

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