| Tonio_ | Riddell: ping ? | 12:15 |
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| Riddell | Tonio_: yo | 12:15 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=948 | 12:15 |
| Tonio_ | does he want me to put all the gpl licence in the copyright file ? | 12:16 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: no, he says the path is wrong | 12:16 |
| Tonio_ | ah okay | 12:16 |
| Tonio_ | changing this | 12:16 |
| Riddell | actually I can't see what's wrong with the current one | 12:25 |
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| Tonio_ | Riddell: noticed that all my packages have that error, but also noticed that both path work.... | 12:27 |
| Tonio_ | Do I need to apply the change for every package ? | 12:27 |
| Tonio_ | the path /usr/share/common-licenses/GPL seems to be working | 12:27 |
| allee | Tonio_: kftpgraber has no 'version of any later version' so use GPL-2 and not GPL as you did | 12:27 |
| Tonio_ | ah okay | 12:27 |
| allee | 'version 2 or any later version' that is | 12:28 |
| Tonio_ | that's the reason.... | 12:28 |
| Tonio_ | I didn't understood why I was suddenly told it was not valid ;) | 12:28 |
| allee | Tonio_: btw remove cdbs_kde_enable_debug = --disable-debug | 12:29 |
| allee | Tonio_: this ugly hack of mine is not necessary anymore | 12:29 |
| Tonio_ | k | 12:29 |
| allee | Tonio_: if you want to make double sure at it to DEB_CONFIGURE_EXTRA_FLAG | 12:30 |
| Riddell | anyone on breezy? | 12:30 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: me | 12:30 |
| allee | Riddell: yes | 12:30 |
| Riddell | allee: KDE 3.4? | 12:30 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: KDE 3.4? | 12:30 |
| allee | yes | 12:30 |
| Tonio_ | nope, 3.5 | 12:30 |
| Riddell | allee: could you update to the latest kpdf security fix and see if it still loads PDF files? | 12:31 |
| allee | 'k | 12:31 |
| Riddell | 3.4.3-0ubuntu2.1 is the latest | 12:33 |
| allee | Riddell: 3.4.3-0ubuntu2.1 works fine. With /path/to/pdf, http: and sftp: URL | 12:42 |
| Riddell | allee: excellent, thanks | 12:42 |
| allee | Riddell: I didn't logout/login. Can this make a diff? | 12:43 |
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| Riddell | allee: shouldn't do, no | 12:43 |
| allee | Riddell: yeap, does not no kpf problems on :1 session too | 12:48 |
| Riddell | excellent | 12:52 |
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| \sh | Riddell: #9862 (bugz) do you think we should close it as "invalid because w32codecs"? | 01:20 |
| Riddell | \sh: it's not w32codecs, it's the mms protocol that's the problem | 01:22 |
| Riddell | \sh: mark as upstream I guess | 01:22 |
| \sh | done | 01:23 |
| mornfall | Riddell: good night | 01:37 |
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| \sh | Riddell: please check the next upload of kubuntu-docs...I fixed the index.html problem with firefox...but the page looks nasty | 11:51 |
| viviersf | Riddell : ping | 11:52 |
| freeflying | amu: ping | 11:54 |
| amu | 1 packet transmitted, 1 received, 0% packet loss | 11:57 |
| freeflying | amu: hi | 11:58 |
| amu | freeflying: whats up | 11:58 |
| freeflying | I've read your letter in today's kubuntu-deveel | 11:58 |
| freeflying | how about the webfronted you've mentioned | 11:59 |
| Riddell | viviersf: hi | 12:01 |
| amu | well, in theorie finished, basically it works, just need a php guy, for smart pages | 12:01 |
| viviersf | elo Riddell | 12:01 |
| viviersf | Riddell, you find somthing about that impi-default-settings | 12:01 |
| amu | moin Riddell | 12:01 |
| freeflying | Riddell: hi | 12:01 |
| amu | Riddell: \sh posted a nice link : http://lists.osdl.org/pipermail/desktop_architects/2005-December/000390.html | 12:02 |
| \sh | amu: but I disagree with linus...but this guy invented "make config" so I can't be bothered ,-) | 12:03 |
| amu | freeflying: do you know someone, how is familar with php? | 12:03 |
| Riddell | viviersf: do you have a /usr/share/apps/ksplash/Themes/Impi ? | 12:04 |
| amu | \sh: nonono :) promoting KDE in general is always good :) | 12:04 |
| Riddell | amu: there's always one immature type who spoils the love | 12:04 |
| \sh | amu: yes that's right...but naming the users as "idiots" is not nice | 12:05 |
| freeflying | amu: what do u want ? | 12:06 |
| amu | \sh: ack | 12:06 |
| amu | freeflying: so if i do it, everything looks black and white :) what i need is someone who can make nice, colorfull wirzards, that it looks like "buiness ready" | 12:08 |
| \sh | viviersf: btw...do you need some people who are doing some dev-work for impi? | 12:08 |
| freeflying | amu: I see ,just a moment. | 12:08 |
| viviersf | \sh, what you meen ? | 12:09 |
| viviersf | like help out with things ? | 12:09 |
| amu | \sh: impi is looking for someone :) i'm also free like a bird :) | 12:09 |
| \sh | viviersf: well...I'm free to work for another company :) I just need a flat, a ticket, and an office in ZA to work for impi :) | 12:09 |
| viviersf | \sh, pvt | 12:09 |
| amu | freeflying: i started for myself, if you want check it. | 12:13 |
| freeflying | amu: y | 12:13 |
| viviersf | amu, my old friend | 12:15 |
| viviersf | you the dude from gnoppix ? | 12:16 |
| amu | hey i'm not soo old | 12:16 |
| amu | viviersf: ack | 12:16 |
| viviersf | huh | 12:16 |
| viviersf | oh ok | 12:16 |
| viviersf | well i remember you | 12:16 |
| viviersf | you made lots of trouble for me on impi 1 release | 12:16 |
| viviersf | *mumbles oscar pearson* | 12:17 |
| amu | *g* yeah you guys copied just the CD with all my secret backdoors *g* | 12:17 |
| viviersf | no we didnt | 12:18 |
| viviersf | i changed lots of packages | 12:18 |
| viviersf | and made a whole ncurses based installer | 12:18 |
| viviersf | you never bothered to ask me 1s | 12:18 |
| viviersf | *st | 12:18 |
| amu | sure no problem ... it's free software | 12:18 |
| viviersf | ah so you learned the true meaning of that sentence | 12:19 |
| viviersf | hehe | 12:19 |
| viviersf | ag im just joking | 12:19 |
| viviersf | all in the past | 12:19 |
| amu | viviersf: well sorry, i probably was inpolite and young | 12:20 |
| freeflying | amu: can not custom too much now | 12:20 |
| amu | freeflying: right, thats why i'm requesting some professional help, webdesign isnt my favorit thing ;) | 12:21 |
| freeflying | amu: guys I know are all off duty now , so I can not give you any help :( | 12:22 |
| amu | freeflying: no prob, i've a personal webguy ;) he's busy, but he helps me all time, i thought maybe i an find someone from the community ... | 12:23 |
| mornfall | Riddell: how is the spec thing looking? | 12:32 |
| Riddell | mornfall: I'm not too sure, mdz didn't get back on it yet | 12:33 |
| mornfall | ah | 12:36 |
| mornfall | hm | 12:36 |
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| freeflying | Riddell: hi | 12:57 |
| Riddell | hi freeflying | 12:58 |
| freeflying | how about useing scim as default input method for CJK users | 12:59 |
| freeflying | Riddell: I;ve talked this with other local team ( ubuntu-tw,ubuntu-kr and ubuntu-jp) | 01:00 |
| freeflying | Riddell: It's seems scim maybe a choice for we CJK users | 01:01 |
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| pabs3 | is there an equivalent of http://people.debian.org/~seppy/d-i/level1/POT/ for kubuntu? | 01:08 |
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| Tonio_ | yop | 01:10 |
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| DoeRayMe | can anyone get kde-guidance to work? | 01:49 |
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| Riddell | hmm, who wants to volunteer to rebuild all the KDE packages in universe that still need libstdc++ transitioned | 06:19 |
| jjesse | would if i knew how to package :) | 06:26 |
| Riddell | and you'd need upload rights | 06:26 |
| jjesse | grin | 06:26 |
| Riddell | what's the status of the docs currently jjesse? | 06:26 |
| jjesse | Riddell: i'm starting to make the changes for the desktop guide that will need to be done (make it kubuntu specific) | 06:27 |
| jjesse | serverguide is comming together quite nicely | 06:27 |
| jjesse | finishing the switching your friends to kubuntu from windows and should upload that tomorrow | 06:27 |
| jjesse | Riddell: at what point should we start working on release notes? | 06:54 |
| Riddell | jjesse: I think the ubuntu ones are already under way | 06:54 |
| Riddell | jjesse: so starting a kubuntu equivalent now would be good | 06:54 |
| Riddell | we can always leave blank spaces to be filled in | 06:55 |
| jjesse | Riddell: should i take that from an anouncement page someplace or just your brain? :) | 06:55 |
| Riddell | jjesse: search the wiki for the ubuntu one | 06:56 |
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| jjesse | will do | 07:08 |
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| JRe | mmm i have kpdf not working since last update of kde 3.5 | 07:23 |
| Riddell | JRe: standalone or in konqueror? | 07:23 |
| JRe | Riddell: both | 07:24 |
| Riddell | JRe: could you send me the file you're using? | 07:25 |
| JRe | Riddell: (and on two computers one i386 and other Amd64) | 07:25 |
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| Riddell | JRe: I've no idea how to work dcc, can you put it on a web server somewhere? | 07:27 |
| JRe | Riddell: seems not to be a PDF file error since I have tried out with different files | 07:27 |
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| JRe | Riddell: http://82.226.199.36/CV_VF_v1.pdf | 07:30 |
| allee | JRe: no problem with your pdf with kpdf 3.4.3-0ubuntu2.1 on breezy, ditto on dapper with kpdf 3.5.0ubuntu2 | 07:37 |
| Riddell | allee: it's -0ubuntu2.2 that's the problem | 07:39 |
| allee | Riddell: oh, I dist-upgraded this afternoon. checking .. | 07:40 |
| allee | apt-proxy partition did run out of space, no error msg, and no 2.2 :( | 07:46 |
| JRe | allee, Riddell: problem comes from 4:3.5.0-0ubuntu0breezy1.2 | 07:53 |
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| haggai | allee: sorry that apt-proxy bug isn't fixed yet | 08:23 |
| allee | heyy, hi haggai! | 08:25 |
| allee | haggai: is there a simple way to get rid of all hoary pkg in apt-proxy cache. Pool layout has disadvantages ;) | 08:26 |
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| Riddell | mornfall: hi | 09:07 |
| mornfall | Riddell: hi.... how goes? | 09:08 |
| Riddell | blurg | 09:09 |
| mornfall | blurg? | 09:09 |
| Riddell | too many things to fix | 09:10 |
| mornfall | typical :'/ | 09:10 |
| Riddell | mornfall: I'll e-mail mdz again to ask about dapperPackageManager | 09:11 |
| mornfall | brb, need to help elenna | 09:12 |
| mornfall | Riddell: btw, adept-notifier is a normal KUniqueApplication with a binary only (no libkdeinit_), is that workable? | 09:22 |
| mornfall | Riddell: libtool goes crazy trying to link the libkdeinit_ thingy | 09:22 |
| Riddell | mornfall: should be fine | 09:23 |
| Riddell | mornfall: and it has an autostart thing? | 09:23 |
| mornfall | Riddell: in itself, no | 09:24 |
| mornfall | Riddell: that's why i am asking :) | 09:24 |
| Riddell | well it just needs a .desktop file in Autostart, not hard to do | 09:24 |
| Riddell | or an entry in startkde or something | 09:24 |
| Riddell | mornfall: what's the user interface? | 09:24 |
| mornfall | Riddell: systray icon? | 09:25 |
| Riddell | mornfall: bah, more systray filling | 09:25 |
| mornfall | Riddell: it could be made an applet, but how would it help? | 09:25 |
| Riddell | in my opinion it should be nothing at all except when it actually pops up to say "there's updates", although I'm not sure the exact best form for the popup | 09:25 |
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| mornfall | Riddell: the systray thingy is trivial to remove... but you need an alternative to changing icon when updates become available :) | 09:27 |
| Riddell | well pop up some kind of message somewhere that says it | 09:27 |
| jjesse | when does flight 2 for kubuntu come out? | 09:28 |
| Riddell | if it's only a change of icon that might not be very noticable, so you'd need a popup anyway? | 09:28 |
| mornfall | Riddell: currently, it just sits in the systray, showing an exclamation mark (no blinking) if there are updates | 09:28 |
| mornfall | Riddell: if it was for me, i wouldn't want it to be noticeable | 09:28 |
| Riddell | jjesse: not sure, now that kubuntu-desktop is installable we should be able to do it any time | 09:28 |
| mornfall | Riddell: it's not there to distract me from work, just to remind me there are updates :) | 09:28 |
| mornfall | that's how i understand its role, that is | 09:28 |
| Tonio_ | hi everyone | 09:28 |
| mornfall | you could get windows update if you want screaming annoying thing ;-) | 09:29 |
| Riddell | mornfall: ok, so maybe a systray icon that only displays itself when there are updates | 09:29 |
| Riddell | hi Tonio_ | 09:29 |
| mornfall | Riddell: yes, that's trivial :) | 09:29 |
| mornfall | Riddell: just need to add show() hide() calls | 09:29 |
| mornfall | Riddell: the popup says how many packages are upgradable, currently | 09:29 |
| Riddell | groovy | 09:29 |
| mornfall | Riddell: i'll probably make it list first few of them, too | 09:30 |
| mornfall | Riddell: s/popup/tooltip/ | 09:30 |
| mornfall | (or list them in case there are say <= 5) | 09:30 |
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| allee | mornfall, Riddell: update-notifier. maybe other would like to start adapt always via the systray icon, instead of having to have a standard adept icons on the left | 09:38 |
| allee | so an option to 'stay always visible'? | 09:38 |
| mornfall | allee: that's the idea yes... i just don't like config options ;-) | 09:38 |
| allee | yeah ;) | 09:39 |
| mornfall | allee: but... | 09:39 |
| mornfall | allee: no, that's not the idea | 09:39 |
| mornfall | well, it's only half | 09:39 |
| mornfall | the theory says you shouldn't need adept-updater when the icon is hidden :) | 09:39 |
| jpetso | hi! another useless question out of interest and because I don't know: | 09:39 |
| Riddell | hi jpetso | 09:40 |
| jpetso | why isn't libtool in the build-essential package? | 09:40 |
| jpetso | hi Riddell | 09:40 |
| Tonio_ | dunno if my point of view is of any use but I would personnally prefer to see the icon only when there are available updates :) | 09:40 |
| mornfall | jpetso: because it's not build essential | 09:40 |
| mornfall | jpetso: (libtool is only needed to make source tarballs, not to build them) | 09:40 |
| Riddell | plus libtool is generally considered to be evil :) | 09:40 |
| jpetso | at least, the standard KDevelop template for pure C++ Hello world doesn't work without it | 09:40 |
| jpetso | (not that I think you're wrong) | 09:41 |
| Tonio_ | allee: I have an icon installation to patch | 09:41 |
| Tonio_ | allee: I patched the makefile.am as you told me | 09:41 |
| Tonio_ | allee: but it seems to build the Makefile with Makefile.in | 09:42 |
| Tonio_ | is that normal ? | 09:42 |
| Riddell | jjesse: kdelibs4-dev should bring it and the other stuff you need for KDE development in | 09:42 |
| Riddell | jpetso rather | 09:42 |
| allee | Tonio_: didn't I favour the hack the rules until upstream accepts ;) | 09:42 |
| jpetso | is the KDevelop template wrong then, if it relies on libtool? | 09:42 |
| allee | Tonio_: yes when you hack Makefile.am makefile.in and makefile get rebuild | 09:42 |
| Tonio_ | allee: apparently not...... | 09:43 |
| allee | Tonio_: assumed maintainermode is not disabled | 09:43 |
| jpetso | Riddell: I have a friend, and (you guessed it) installed Kubuntu on his laptop | 09:43 |
| Riddell | jpetso: woo! | 09:43 |
| jpetso | Riddell: then put build-essential up there, and left him without a functioning C++ ide | 09:43 |
| allee | Tonio_: well due to this rebuild I always tried to work with hacks in rules, until upstream accept the change | 09:43 |
| jpetso | Riddell: because the KDevelop template needs libtool | 09:43 |
| jpetso | so... | 09:43 |
| jpetso | somethings wrong, no? | 09:44 |
| Tonio_ | allee: right, so lets go with rules | 09:44 |
| Tonio_ | allee: that helps me to understand the compilation mecanisms, so I like to make tries.... | 09:44 |
| jpetso | Riddell: and I don't mean the KDE application template, or anything with Qt, just the standard C++ one | 09:44 |
| mornfall | Riddell: is the notifier completely invisible in gnome? | 09:45 |
| Riddell | mornfall: no, I think it's visible all the time | 09:45 |
| allee | Tonio_: if you prefer to change the Makefile.am, I would suggest to use buildprep script from debian-qt-kde team that: applied debian/patches, run make -f Makefile.cvs and put the diff into debian/patches/98_buildprep | 09:45 |
| mornfall | Riddell: i sort of like the approach of having the icon there all the time... it makes it possible to have "check for updates" in its context menu :) | 09:46 |
| allee | Tonio_: huge diff, but at least everything hidden in one file | 09:46 |
| mornfall | Riddell: hmm, nm, that'd require sudo :'/ | 09:46 |
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| jpetso | mornfall: I hate persistant icons, I mostly close the applications as a whole if their system tray icons are going on my nerves | 09:47 |
| mornfall | jpetso: there's no other interface than the systray icon | 09:47 |
| Tonio_ | allee: I'll test, thanks a lot for all those infos ;) | 09:47 |
| mornfall | jpetso: that also means no way to quit it unless there are updates :-) | 09:48 |
| allee | Tonio_: I usually prefer resonable rules hackery. But when you start to relibtoolize. buildprep stuff is excellent | 09:48 |
| allee | Tonio_: your servant | 09:48 |
| jpetso | mornfall: ? what do you mean, no way to quit it? no "Quit" action? | 09:48 |
| mornfall | jpetso: if there is no interface, how do you quit it? | 09:48 |
| jpetso | mornfall: if there's only the systray icon, then the application closes with it | 09:49 |
| jpetso | mornfall: I think we're missing each other | 09:49 |
| jpetso | mornfall: anyways, I'd rather not use update-notifier if it persists in the system tray | 09:50 |
| mornfall | jpetso: so what do you want it to do? | 09:50 |
| Tonio_ | allee: ;) | 09:50 |
| jpetso | mornfall: start up Adept once in a while | 09:50 |
| mornfall | jpetso: oww, that's *very* stupid thing to do | 09:50 |
| jpetso | mornfall: if you'd please tell me why... | 09:51 |
| mornfall | jpetso: first, it'll pop up a rather confusing kdesu dialog | 09:51 |
| mornfall | jpetso: without a trace of useful message why so | 09:51 |
| jpetso | mornfall: well, I know what it does. I just wanted to say what I would do, not what's best for everyone | 09:52 |
| mornfall | jpetso: also, how would you detect *when* to pop it up? | 09:52 |
| jpetso | mornfall: what I would do just on my computer, customized | 09:52 |
| jpetso | mornfall: ...well... | 09:53 |
| mornfall | jpetso: if you close updater without updating, should it then ignore updates until next you upgrade by hand? | 09:53 |
| jpetso | mornfall: If I close it by myself, sure. That's what programs are supposed to do when they are told to quit. | 09:54 |
| mornfall | jpetso: you told adept to quit, not the notifier | 09:54 |
| jpetso | mornfall: Oh. Didn't know that :) | 09:54 |
| mornfall | jpetso: if you perform an upgrade and quit the updater, should notifier quit too? :-) | 09:55 |
| jpetso | mornfall: so, just to make sure I understand it right, the notifier is a seperate program? | 09:55 |
| mornfall | jpetso: absolutely | 09:55 |
| mornfall | jpetso: it doesn't make much sense otherwise? | 09:55 |
| jpetso | mornfall: that's what I thought | 09:56 |
| jpetso | mornfall: the notifier should not quit, I think | 09:56 |
| mornfall | jpetso: i mean, you don't want to see kdesu every time you log in and have apt database locked all the time | 09:56 |
| jpetso | mornfall: should keep running until you close it with system tray context menu, "Quit" | 09:57 |
| mornfall | jpetso: that's hard if there's no icon, as you suggested | 09:58 |
| jpetso | mornfall: I guess you're right | 09:58 |
| jpetso | mornfall: then I'll hide it and extend the system tray with the arrow when I want to access it | 09:58 |
| jpetso | mornfall: and you make it permanent by default | 09:58 |
| mornfall | jpetso: yes, which is what i thought would work the best | 09:59 |
| jpetso | mornfall: ack | 09:59 |
| mornfall | (that's why the systray icons are hideable, after all) | 09:59 |
| mornfall | Riddell: what do we have in systray by default now? | 09:59 |
| allee | mornfall, jpetso: I'm not sure if the joe user understands this update-notifier, apept implementations detail. I'm not sure how I would like it use it, until I used it myself for some time ;) | 09:59 |
| mornfall | allee: it'll be part of the alpha packages sometime this week(end) | 10:00 |
| mornfall | allee: so you'll have chance to comment :-) | 10:00 |
| allee | mornfall: go with whatever you think is right. And let's wait if complains or confused users pop up | 10:00 |
| mornfall | oh, i am sure there will be some with any interface :) | 10:01 |
| allee | mornfall: So I try on Monday promised ;) | 10:01 |
| jpetso | mornfall: just to pop in with another useless idea: what I'd like best would be a notifier karamba | 10:01 |
| mornfall | jpetso: make it yo'self, the notifier code is ultra-trivial ;-) | 10:01 |
| allee | jpetso: knewstuff? | 10:02 |
| mornfall | jpetso: (assuming one can make karamba plugins in c++) | 10:02 |
| mornfall | (in the other case, you are hosed until next swig release) | 10:02 |
| jpetso | mornfall: let's wait till Plasma | 10:03 |
| mornfall | (or you can use python-apt, which is, eww :-) | 10:03 |
| mornfall | jpetso: heh, well :) | 10:03 |
| mornfall | why not | 10:03 |
| jpetso | mornfall: you could of course make python bindings to your libraries ;-D | 10:03 |
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| mornfall | jpetso: [22:09:04] < mornfall> (in the other case, you are hosed until next swig release) | 10:18 |
| mornfall | jpetso: current swig is not capable of handling my libs | 10:19 |
| mornfall | jpetso: you'd need the cvs version of it | 10:19 |
| mornfall | (i'm delayed because i'm solving cryptography exercises in foreground) | 10:19 |
| jpetso | mornfall: ahso. didn't know what swig is, sorry for misunderstanding that | 10:20 |
| Riddell | mornfall: klipper, probably amarok, sometimes keyboard layout changer, and I'm sure there's something else | 10:46 |
| mornfall | Riddell: amarok can (and should) have the docking turned off | 11:09 |
| mornfall | Riddell: klipper has an applet | 11:09 |
| Tm_T | amaroK <3 | 11:09 |
| mornfall | Tm_T: amarok luv? | 11:13 |
| Tm_T | can't hate it | 11:14 |
| Tm_T | can't live without it | 11:14 |
| \sh | mornfall: why? | 11:37 |
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