[12:15] <Tonio_> Riddell: ping ?
[12:15] <Riddell> Tonio_: yo
[12:15] <Tonio_> Riddell: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=948
[12:16] <Tonio_> does he want me to put all the gpl licence in the copyright file ?
[12:16] <Riddell> Tonio_: no, he says the path is wrong
[12:16] <Tonio_> ah okay
[12:16] <Tonio_> changing this
[12:25] <Riddell> actually I can't see what's wrong with the current one
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[12:27] <Tonio_> Riddell: noticed that all my packages have that error, but also noticed that both path work....
[12:27] <Tonio_> Do I need to apply the change for every package ?
[12:27] <Tonio_> the path /usr/share/common-licenses/GPL seems to be working
[12:27] <allee> Tonio_: kftpgraber has no 'version of any later version'  so use GPL-2  and not GPL as you did
[12:27] <Tonio_> ah okay
[12:28] <allee> 'version 2 or any later version' that is
[12:28] <Tonio_> that's the reason....
[12:28] <Tonio_> I didn't understood why I was suddenly told it was not valid ;)
[12:29] <allee> Tonio_: btw remove cdbs_kde_enable_debug = --disable-debug
[12:29] <allee> Tonio_: this ugly hack of mine is not necessary anymore
[12:29] <Tonio_> k
[12:30] <allee> Tonio_: if you want to make double sure at it to DEB_CONFIGURE_EXTRA_FLAG
[12:30] <Riddell> anyone on breezy?
[12:30] <Tonio_> Riddell: me
[12:30] <allee> Riddell: yes
[12:30] <Riddell> allee: KDE 3.4?
[12:30] <Riddell> Tonio_: KDE 3.4?
[12:30] <allee> yes
[12:30] <Tonio_> nope, 3.5
[12:31] <Riddell> allee: could you update to the latest kpdf security fix and see if it still loads PDF files?
[12:31] <allee> 'k
[12:33] <Riddell> 3.4.3-0ubuntu2.1 is the latest
[12:42] <allee> Riddell: 3.4.3-0ubuntu2.1 works fine.  With /path/to/pdf,  http: and sftp: URL
[12:42] <Riddell> allee: excellent, thanks
[12:43] <allee> Riddell: I didn't logout/login.  Can this make a diff?
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[12:43] <Riddell> allee: shouldn't do, no
[12:48] <allee> Riddell: yeap, does not no kpf problems on :1 session too
[12:52] <Riddell> excellent
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[01:20] <\sh> Riddell: #9862 (bugz) do you think we should close it as "invalid because w32codecs"?
[01:22] <Riddell> \sh: it's not w32codecs, it's the mms protocol that's the problem
[01:22] <Riddell> \sh: mark as upstream I guess
[01:23] <\sh> done
[01:37] <mornfall> Riddell: good night
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[11:51] <\sh> Riddell: please check the next upload of kubuntu-docs...I fixed the index.html problem with firefox...but the page looks nasty
[11:52] <viviersf> Riddell : ping
[11:54] <freeflying> amu: ping
[11:57] <amu> 1 packet transmitted, 1 received, 0% packet loss
[11:58] <freeflying> amu: hi
[11:58] <amu> freeflying: whats up 
[11:58] <freeflying> I've read your letter in today's kubuntu-deveel
[11:59] <freeflying> how about the webfronted you've mentioned
[12:01] <Riddell> viviersf: hi
[12:01] <amu> well, in theorie finished, basically it works, just need a php guy, for smart pages  
[12:01] <viviersf> elo Riddell 
[12:01] <viviersf> Riddell, you find somthing about that impi-default-settings
[12:01] <amu> moin Riddell 
[12:01] <freeflying> Riddell: hi
[12:02] <amu> Riddell: \sh posted a nice link : http://lists.osdl.org/pipermail/desktop_architects/2005-December/000390.html
[12:03] <\sh> amu: but I disagree with linus...but this guy invented "make config" so I can't be bothered ,-)
[12:03] <amu> freeflying: do you know someone, how is familar with php?  
[12:04] <Riddell> viviersf: do you have a /usr/share/apps/ksplash/Themes/Impi  ?
[12:04] <amu> \sh: nonono :) promoting KDE in general is always good :)
[12:04] <Riddell> amu: there's always one immature type who spoils the love
[12:05] <\sh> amu: yes that's right...but naming the users as "idiots" is not nice
[12:06] <freeflying> amu:  what do u want ?
[12:06] <amu> \sh: ack 
[12:08] <amu> freeflying: so if i do it, everything looks black and white :) what i need is someone who can make nice, colorfull wirzards, that it looks like "buiness ready"   
[12:08] <\sh> viviersf: btw...do you need some people who are doing some dev-work for impi? 
[12:08] <freeflying> amu:  I see ,just a moment.
[12:09] <viviersf> \sh, what you meen ?
[12:09] <viviersf> like help out with things ?
[12:09] <amu> \sh: impi is looking for someone :) i'm also free like a bird :)
[12:09] <\sh> viviersf: well...I'm free to work for another company :) I just need a flat, a ticket, and an office in ZA to work for impi :)
[12:09] <viviersf> \sh, pvt
[12:13] <amu> freeflying: i started for myself, if you want check it.    
[12:13] <freeflying> amu: y
[12:15] <viviersf> amu, my old friend
[12:16] <viviersf> you the dude from gnoppix ?
[12:16] <amu> hey i'm not soo old 
[12:16] <amu> viviersf: ack
[12:16] <viviersf> huh
[12:16] <viviersf> oh ok 
[12:16] <viviersf> well i remember you
[12:16] <viviersf> you made lots of trouble for me on impi 1 release
[12:17] <viviersf> *mumbles oscar pearson*
[12:17] <amu> *g* yeah you guys copied just the CD with all my secret backdoors *g*    
[12:18] <viviersf> no we didnt 
[12:18] <viviersf> i changed lots of packages
[12:18] <viviersf> and made a whole ncurses based installer
[12:18] <viviersf> you never bothered to ask me 1s
[12:18] <viviersf> *st
[12:18] <amu> sure no problem ... it's free software 
[12:19] <viviersf> ah so you learned the true meaning of that sentence
[12:19] <viviersf> hehe
[12:19] <viviersf> ag im just joking 
[12:19] <viviersf> all in the past
[12:20] <amu> viviersf: well sorry, i probably was inpolite and young 
[12:20] <freeflying> amu:  can not custom too much now 
[12:21] <amu> freeflying: right, thats why i'm requesting some professional help, webdesign isnt my favorit thing ;)
[12:22] <freeflying> amu: guys I know are all off duty now , so I can not give you any help :(
[12:23] <amu> freeflying: no prob, i've a personal webguy ;) he's busy, but he helps me all time, i thought maybe i an find someone from the community ...   
[12:32] <mornfall> Riddell: how is the spec thing looking?
[12:33] <Riddell> mornfall: I'm not too sure, mdz didn't get back on it yet
[12:36] <mornfall> ah
[12:36] <mornfall> hm
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[12:57] <freeflying> Riddell:  hi
[12:58] <Riddell> hi freeflying 
[12:59] <freeflying> how about useing scim as default input method for CJK users
[01:00] <freeflying> Riddell:  I;ve talked this with other local team ( ubuntu-tw,ubuntu-kr and ubuntu-jp)
[01:01] <freeflying> Riddell:  It's seems scim maybe a choice for we CJK users
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[01:08] <pabs3> is there an equivalent of http://people.debian.org/~seppy/d-i/level1/POT/ for kubuntu?
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[01:10] <Tonio_> yop
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[01:49] <DoeRayMe> can anyone get kde-guidance to work?
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[06:19] <Riddell> hmm, who wants to volunteer to rebuild all the KDE packages in universe that still need libstdc++ transitioned
[06:26] <jjesse> would if i knew how to package :)
[06:26] <Riddell> and you'd need upload rights
[06:26] <jjesse> grin
[06:26] <Riddell> what's the status of the docs currently jjesse?
[06:27] <jjesse> Riddell: i'm starting to make the changes for the desktop guide that will need to be done (make it kubuntu specific)
[06:27] <jjesse> serverguide is comming together quite nicely
[06:27] <jjesse> finishing the switching your friends to kubuntu from windows and should upload that tomorrow
[06:54] <jjesse> Riddell: at what point should we start working on release notes?
[06:54] <Riddell> jjesse: I think the ubuntu ones are already under way
[06:54] <Riddell> jjesse: so starting a kubuntu equivalent now would be good
[06:55] <Riddell> we can always leave blank spaces to be filled in
[06:55] <jjesse> Riddell: should i take that from an anouncement page someplace or just your brain? :)
[06:56] <Riddell> jjesse: search the wiki for the ubuntu one
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[07:08] <jjesse> will do
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[07:23] <JRe> mmm i have kpdf not working since last update of kde 3.5
[07:23] <Riddell> JRe: standalone or in konqueror?
[07:24] <JRe> Riddell: both
[07:25] <Riddell> JRe: could you send me the file you're using?
[07:25] <JRe> Riddell: (and on two computers one i386 and other Amd64)
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[07:27] <Riddell> JRe: I've no idea how to work dcc, can you put it on a web server somewhere?
[07:27] <JRe> Riddell: seems not to be a PDF file error since I have tried out with different files
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[07:30] <JRe> Riddell: http://82.226.199.36/CV_VF_v1.pdf
[07:37] <allee> JRe: no problem with your pdf with kpdf 3.4.3-0ubuntu2.1 on breezy, ditto on dapper with kpdf 3.5.0ubuntu2
[07:39] <Riddell> allee: it's -0ubuntu2.2 that's the problem
[07:40] <allee> Riddell: oh, I dist-upgraded this afternoon. checking ..
[07:46] <allee> apt-proxy partition did run out of space, no error msg, and no 2.2 :(
[07:53] <JRe> allee, Riddell: problem comes from 4:3.5.0-0ubuntu0breezy1.2
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[08:23] <haggai> allee: sorry that apt-proxy bug isn't fixed yet
[08:25] <allee> heyy, hi haggai!
[08:26] <allee> haggai: is there a simple way to get rid of all hoary pkg in apt-proxy cache.  Pool layout has disadvantages ;)
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[09:07] <Riddell> mornfall: hi
[09:08] <mornfall> Riddell: hi.... how goes?
[09:09] <Riddell> blurg
[09:09] <mornfall> blurg?
[09:10] <Riddell> too many things to fix
[09:10] <mornfall> typical :'/
[09:11] <Riddell> mornfall: I'll e-mail mdz again to ask about dapperPackageManager
[09:12] <mornfall> brb, need to help elenna
[09:22] <mornfall> Riddell: btw, adept-notifier is a normal KUniqueApplication with a binary only (no libkdeinit_), is that workable?
[09:22] <mornfall> Riddell: libtool goes crazy trying to link the libkdeinit_ thingy
[09:23] <Riddell> mornfall: should be fine
[09:23] <Riddell> mornfall: and it has an autostart thing?
[09:24] <mornfall> Riddell: in itself, no
[09:24] <mornfall> Riddell: that's why i am asking :)
[09:24] <Riddell> well it just needs a .desktop file in Autostart, not hard to do
[09:24] <Riddell> or an entry in startkde or something
[09:24] <Riddell> mornfall: what's the user interface?
[09:25] <mornfall> Riddell: systray icon?
[09:25] <Riddell> mornfall: bah, more systray filling
[09:25] <mornfall> Riddell: it could be made an applet, but how would it help?
[09:25] <Riddell> in my opinion it should be nothing at all except when it actually pops up to say "there's updates", although I'm not sure the exact best form for the popup
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[09:27] <mornfall> Riddell: the systray thingy is trivial to remove... but you need an alternative to changing icon when updates become available :)
[09:27] <Riddell> well pop up some kind of message somewhere that says it
[09:28] <jjesse> when does flight 2 for kubuntu come out?
[09:28] <Riddell> if it's only a change of icon that might not be very noticable, so you'd need a popup anyway?
[09:28] <mornfall> Riddell: currently, it just sits in the systray, showing an exclamation mark (no blinking) if there are updates
[09:28] <mornfall> Riddell: if it was for me, i wouldn't want it to be noticeable
[09:28] <Riddell> jjesse: not sure, now that kubuntu-desktop is installable we should be able to do it any time
[09:28] <mornfall> Riddell: it's not there to distract me from work, just to remind me there are updates :)
[09:28] <mornfall> that's how i understand its role, that is
[09:28] <Tonio_> hi everyone
[09:29] <mornfall> you could get windows update if you want screaming annoying thing ;-)
[09:29] <Riddell> mornfall: ok, so maybe a systray icon that only displays itself when there are updates
[09:29] <Riddell> hi Tonio_ 
[09:29] <mornfall> Riddell: yes, that's trivial :)
[09:29] <mornfall> Riddell: just need to add show() hide() calls
[09:29] <mornfall> Riddell: the popup says how many packages are upgradable, currently
[09:29] <Riddell> groovy
[09:30] <mornfall> Riddell: i'll probably make it list first few of them, too
[09:30] <mornfall> Riddell: s/popup/tooltip/
[09:30] <mornfall> (or list them in case there are say <= 5)
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[09:38] <allee> mornfall, Riddell: update-notifier.  maybe other would like to start adapt always via the systray icon, instead of having to have a standard adept icons on the left
[09:38] <allee> so an option to 'stay always visible'?
[09:38] <mornfall> allee: that's the idea yes... i just don't like config options ;-)
[09:39] <allee> yeah ;)
[09:39] <mornfall> allee: but...
[09:39] <mornfall> allee: no, that's not the idea
[09:39] <mornfall> well, it's only half
[09:39] <mornfall> the theory says you shouldn't need adept-updater when the icon is hidden :)
[09:39] <jpetso> hi! another useless question out of interest and because I don't know:
[09:40] <Riddell> hi jpetso 
[09:40] <jpetso> why isn't libtool in the build-essential package?
[09:40] <jpetso> hi Riddell
[09:40] <Tonio_> dunno if my point of view is of any use but I would personnally prefer to see the icon only when there are available updates :)
[09:40] <mornfall> jpetso: because it's not build essential
[09:40] <mornfall> jpetso: (libtool is only needed to make source tarballs, not to build them)
[09:40] <Riddell> plus libtool is generally considered to be evil :)
[09:40] <jpetso> at least, the standard KDevelop template for pure C++ Hello world doesn't work without it
[09:41] <jpetso> (not that I think you're wrong)
[09:41] <Tonio_> allee: I have an icon installation to patch
[09:41] <Tonio_> allee: I patched the makefile.am as you told me
[09:42] <Tonio_> allee: but it seems to build the Makefile with Makefile.in
[09:42] <Tonio_> is that normal ?
[09:42] <Riddell> jjesse: kdelibs4-dev should bring it and the other stuff you need for KDE development in
[09:42] <Riddell> jpetso rather
[09:42] <allee> Tonio_: didn't I favour the hack the rules  until upstream accepts ;)
[09:42] <jpetso> is the KDevelop template wrong then, if it relies on libtool?
[09:42] <allee> Tonio_: yes when you hack Makefile.am makefile.in and makefile get rebuild
[09:43] <Tonio_> allee: apparently not......
[09:43] <allee> Tonio_: assumed maintainermode is not disabled
[09:43] <jpetso> Riddell: I have a friend, and (you guessed it) installed Kubuntu on his laptop
[09:43] <Riddell> jpetso: woo!
[09:43] <jpetso> Riddell: then put build-essential up there, and left him without a functioning C++ ide
[09:43] <allee> Tonio_: well due to this rebuild I always tried to work with hacks in rules, until upstream accept the change
[09:43] <jpetso> Riddell: because the KDevelop template needs libtool
[09:43] <jpetso> so...
[09:44] <jpetso> somethings wrong, no?
[09:44] <Tonio_> allee: right, so lets go with rules
[09:44] <Tonio_> allee: that helps me to understand the compilation mecanisms, so I like to make tries....
[09:44] <jpetso> Riddell: and I don't mean the KDE application template, or anything with Qt, just the standard C++ one
[09:45] <mornfall> Riddell: is the notifier completely invisible in gnome?
[09:45] <Riddell> mornfall: no, I think it's visible all the time
[09:45] <allee> Tonio_: if you prefer to change the Makefile.am, I would suggest to use buildprep script from debian-qt-kde team that: applied debian/patches, run make -f Makefile.cvs and put the diff into debian/patches/98_buildprep
[09:46] <mornfall> Riddell: i sort of like the approach of having the icon there all the time... it makes it possible to have "check for updates" in its context menu :)
[09:46] <allee> Tonio_: huge diff, but at least everything hidden in one file
[09:46] <mornfall> Riddell: hmm, nm, that'd require sudo :'/
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[09:47] <jpetso> mornfall: I hate persistant icons, I mostly close the applications as a whole if their system tray icons are going on my nerves
[09:47] <mornfall> jpetso: there's no other interface than the systray icon
[09:47] <Tonio_> allee: I'll test, thanks a lot for all those infos ;)
[09:48] <mornfall> jpetso: that also means no way to quit it unless there are updates :-)
[09:48] <allee> Tonio_: I usually prefer resonable rules hackery.  But when you start to relibtoolize. buildprep stuff is excellent
[09:48] <allee> Tonio_: your servant
[09:48] <jpetso> mornfall: ? what do you mean, no way to quit it? no "Quit" action?
[09:48] <mornfall> jpetso: if there is no interface, how do you quit it?
[09:49] <jpetso> mornfall: if there's only the systray icon, then the application closes with it
[09:49] <jpetso> mornfall: I think we're missing each other
[09:50] <jpetso> mornfall: anyways, I'd rather not use update-notifier if it persists in the system tray
[09:50] <mornfall> jpetso: so what do you want it to do?
[09:50] <Tonio_> allee: ;)
[09:50] <jpetso> mornfall: start up Adept once in a while
[09:50] <mornfall> jpetso: oww, that's *very* stupid thing to do
[09:51] <jpetso> mornfall: if you'd please tell me why...
[09:51] <mornfall> jpetso: first, it'll pop up a rather confusing kdesu dialog
[09:51] <mornfall> jpetso: without a trace of useful message why so
[09:52] <jpetso> mornfall: well, I know what it does. I just wanted to say what I would do, not what's best for everyone
[09:52] <mornfall> jpetso: also, how would you detect *when* to pop it up?
[09:52] <jpetso> mornfall: what I would do just on my computer, customized
[09:53] <jpetso> mornfall: ...well...
[09:53] <mornfall> jpetso: if you close updater without updating, should it then ignore updates until next you upgrade by hand?
[09:54] <jpetso> mornfall: If I close it by myself, sure. That's what programs are supposed to do when they are told to quit.
[09:54] <mornfall> jpetso: you told adept to quit, not the notifier
[09:54] <jpetso> mornfall: Oh. Didn't know that :)
[09:55] <mornfall> jpetso: if you perform an upgrade and quit the updater, should notifier quit too? :-)
[09:55] <jpetso> mornfall: so, just to make sure I understand it right, the notifier is a seperate program?
[09:55] <mornfall> jpetso: absolutely
[09:55] <mornfall> jpetso: it doesn't make much sense otherwise?
[09:56] <jpetso> mornfall: that's what I thought
[09:56] <jpetso> mornfall: the notifier should not quit, I think
[09:56] <mornfall> jpetso: i mean, you don't want to see kdesu every time you log in and have apt database locked all the time
[09:57] <jpetso> mornfall: should keep running until you close it with system tray context menu, "Quit"
[09:58] <mornfall> jpetso: that's hard if there's no icon, as you suggested
[09:58] <jpetso> mornfall: I guess you're right
[09:58] <jpetso> mornfall: then I'll hide it and extend the system tray with the arrow when I want to access it
[09:58] <jpetso> mornfall: and you make it permanent by default
[09:59] <mornfall> jpetso: yes, which is what i thought would work the best
[09:59] <jpetso> mornfall: ack
[09:59] <mornfall> (that's why the systray icons are hideable, after all)
[09:59] <mornfall> Riddell: what do we have in systray by default now?
[09:59] <allee> mornfall, jpetso: I'm not sure if the joe user understands this update-notifier, apept implementations detail. I'm not sure how I would like it use it, until I used it myself for some time ;)
[10:00] <mornfall> allee: it'll be part of the alpha packages sometime this week(end)
[10:00] <mornfall> allee: so you'll have chance to comment :-)
[10:00] <allee> mornfall: go with whatever you think is right. And let's wait if complains or confused users pop up
[10:01] <mornfall> oh, i am sure there will be some with any interface :)
[10:01] <allee> mornfall: So I try on Monday promised ;)
[10:01] <jpetso> mornfall: just to pop in with another useless idea: what I'd like best would be a notifier karamba
[10:01] <mornfall> jpetso: make it yo'self, the notifier code is ultra-trivial ;-)
[10:02] <allee> jpetso: knewstuff?
[10:02] <mornfall> jpetso: (assuming one can make karamba plugins in c++)
[10:02] <mornfall> (in the other case, you are hosed until next swig release)
[10:03] <jpetso> mornfall: let's wait till Plasma
[10:03] <mornfall> (or you can use python-apt, which is, eww :-)
[10:03] <mornfall> jpetso: heh, well :)
[10:03] <mornfall> why not
[10:03] <jpetso> mornfall: you could of course make python bindings to your libraries ;-D
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[10:18] <mornfall> jpetso: [22:09:04]  < mornfall> (in the other case, you are hosed until next swig release)
[10:19] <mornfall> jpetso: current swig is not capable of handling my libs
[10:19] <mornfall> jpetso: you'd need the cvs version of it
[10:19] <mornfall> (i'm delayed because i'm solving cryptography exercises in foreground)
[10:20] <jpetso> mornfall: ahso. didn't know what swig is, sorry for misunderstanding that
[10:46] <Riddell> mornfall: klipper, probably amarok, sometimes keyboard layout changer, and I'm sure there's something else
[11:09] <mornfall> Riddell: amarok can (and should) have the docking turned off
[11:09] <mornfall> Riddell: klipper has an applet
[11:09] <Tm_T> amaroK <3
[11:13] <mornfall> Tm_T: amarok luv?
[11:14] <Tm_T> can't hate it
[11:14] <Tm_T> can't live without it
[11:37] <\sh> mornfall: why?
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