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| BenC | down to 233, better than I thought | 12:05 |
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| AcidPils | grats | 12:05 |
| BenC | almost 150 bugs | 12:05 |
| BenC | well, most were already fixed in breezy, a lot of others were fixed simply because we have 2.6.15 (containing patches needed) | 12:06 |
| BenC | I did fix 30 or so in -8.10 though | 12:06 |
| AcidPils | i would be happy if could fix this stupid segfault in my own code :( | 12:09 |
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| zul | heylo | 12:20 |
| zul | mjg59: i dont get a blacklight | 12:20 |
| dilinger | bah | 12:28 |
| dilinger | the sunfire i sent davem got banged up pretty good in transit | 12:28 |
| dilinger | maybe i shouldn't have done UPS ground :/ | 12:28 |
| jbailey | dilinger: Ugh. | 12:30 |
| mjg59 | zul: Ok, cool | 12:39 |
| mjg59 | zul: What BIOS version do you have? | 12:39 |
| zul | uh...good question im on my laptop right now | 12:40 |
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| mjg59 | zul: Heh :) dmidecode might tell you, if you're lucky | 12:48 |
| zul | A03 | 12:49 |
| mjg59 | Ah, ok | 12:59 |
| mjg59 | A02 seems to work, weirdly | 12:59 |
| zul | bah.. | 01:02 |
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| zul | oh hockey game.. | 02:59 |
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| infinity | BenC : No kernel yet? | 03:17 |
| BenC | doing the dpkg-buildpackage now | 03:17 |
| infinity | See, I completely ignored my alarm clock and slept in, just to give you more time. :) | 03:18 |
| BenC | thanks, you're so considerate :) | 03:18 |
| infinity | I expect payment in cows. | 03:19 |
| BenC | one steer, bull, cow or heffer? | 03:19 |
| infinity | As long as it's dead and tastes good. | 03:21 |
| BenC | ah, a managable bug list | 03:24 |
| BenC | active bugs, 68 | 03:24 |
| infinity | Wow. Do mine next! | 03:26 |
| === ..[topic/#ubuntu-kernel:BenC] : Ubuntu kernel development discussion ONLY | New git tree for dapper: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelGitGuide | 2.6.15-8.10uploaded (The "Fabio does Dallas" release) | ||
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| mgalvin | sorry to be annoying, but I am starting to write a review of flight 2, do we have an ETA of some kind? (today || end of the week)? | 03:44 |
| infinity | "Soon" | 03:45 |
| mjg59 | infinity: So, uh | 03:48 |
| mjg59 | infinity: Is our ltmodem linked on boot like our fglrx and nvidia? | 03:48 |
| zul | fabio does dallas? ewww.. | 03:52 |
| BenC | go rent the full length video and enjoy! | 03:53 |
| infinity | mjg59 : Yes. | 03:56 |
| mjg59 | infinity: That's a relief | 03:56 |
| infinity | BenC : -server-bigiron? | 03:56 |
| mjg59 | Obvious GPL violation otherwise | 03:56 |
| mjg59 | (They include Linux serial code) | 03:56 |
| BenC | infinity: -server and -server-bigiron | 03:56 |
| infinity | yes. Bug. -bigiron? :) | 03:57 |
| infinity | mjg59 : Yeah, they have it in a seperate object, and we link them on boot. | 03:57 |
| zul | BenC: i laid the groundwork for dbg in my development tree | 03:57 |
| BenC | cool | 03:58 |
| zul | just have to figure out the post-install crap | 03:58 |
| infinity | s/Bug/But/ | 03:58 |
| BenC | infinity: bug? | 03:58 |
| BenC | oh, heh | 03:58 |
| BenC | was agreed upon by several in #ubuntu-devel | 03:59 |
| BenC | elmo, Kamion, and a few others | 03:59 |
| BenC | bigiron being a word that only people who actually know what it is would consider installing the kernel | 03:59 |
| infinity | Oh, sure, I don't get credit for the vga16fb change. :) | 03:59 |
| BenC | shit, I meant to change that before finalizing | 03:59 |
| BenC | sorry | 04:00 |
| infinity | (Like I care) | 04:00 |
| mjg59 | I did an identical change | 04:00 |
| mjg59 | I claim copyright | 04:00 |
| BenC | well, if it's broken, I can't put blame on you now :) | 04:00 |
| === infinity removes your credit for the acx firmware changes out of spite | ||
| BenC | lol | 04:00 |
| mjg59 | infinity: I think Suse might be shipping GPL-violating ltmodem | 04:01 |
| infinity | I'm SHOCKED. | 04:01 |
| zul | ;ater | 04:03 |
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| BenC | mjg59: FYI I did a hibernate on my P4 with intel IDE, and it worked fine | 05:17 |
| BenC | usb and and wireless card came back up | 05:17 |
| infinity | BenC : -8.10 is >= -rc5, right? | 05:28 |
| infinity | Oh, rc5 is old, we must be caught up to that. | 05:32 |
| BenC | no, -8.10 is -rc5 | 05:37 |
| BenC | linus was gone for a week, and just got back | 05:37 |
| BenC | he did a lot of merging yesterday, but it was too much for me to pull and be able to get -8.10 out for flight 2 on time | 05:37 |
| infinity | Well, I did say ">=", not ">" | 05:38 |
| infinity | So, we're on the same page. | 05:38 |
| BenC | oh, missed that | 05:38 |
| infinity | Woo, first attempt at compiling the new ATI driver fails MISERABLY. | 05:41 |
| infinity | Go ATI. | 05:41 |
| infinity | ... because they repacked the panel sources to exclude a header it needs... | 05:47 |
| infinity | W... T... F... | 05:47 |
| infinity | No other changes, except removing the header. | 05:47 |
| infinity | HATE. | 05:47 |
| BenC | lol | 05:55 |
| fabbione | morning guys | 05:56 |
| BenC | hey fabbione | 05:56 |
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| infinity | OO, amd64 kernels are ready. | 05:57 |
| fabbione | woo new crack | 05:57 |
| BenC | amd64 always wins the first-build race | 05:58 |
| fabbione | BenC: not always :) | 05:58 |
| fabbione | there were times where sparc was winning :) | 05:58 |
| infinity | Well, i386 has too many flavours. | 05:59 |
| BenC | sparc only builds 2 kernels, it isn't allowed to compete yet :) | 05:59 |
| fabbione | BenC: nah.. i was prebuilding the pkgs and made them enter the archive 5 minutes after the source :) | 05:59 |
| BenC | lol | 05:59 |
| infinity | CHEATING. | 06:00 |
| fabbione | infinity: no.. they were properly sbuilded | 06:00 |
| fabbione | you know.. that thing called pre-upload build test | 06:01 |
| BenC | they had premature access to the source though :) | 06:01 |
| infinity | CHEATING. | 06:01 |
| infinity | And powerpc and i386 are in a dead heat for second place, both building packages right now.. | 06:02 |
| infinity | ia64, as always, will be dead last (well, for the DC arches... I'm not sure where sparc and hppa fit in) | 06:02 |
| fabbione | infinity: i would have done the same if we had m68k :) | 06:02 |
| BenC | no, hppa is dead last | 06:03 |
| infinity | m68k has too many subarches to play this game fairly. | 06:03 |
| infinity | Slowest hardware in Debian, but we build more kernels than anyone else. | 06:03 |
| fabbione | infinity: distcc :) | 06:04 |
| infinity | If it were up to me, we'd drop all "old m68k" support, except for Amiga and Atari, and concentrate on ColdFire targets. | 06:04 |
| fabbione | let's make an m68k cluster | 06:04 |
| BenC | m68k is worse than i386 cpu's...I bet we could push min cpu for ia32 to 586 before debian got rid of m68k :) | 06:04 |
| infinity | Who seriously wants to run a modern OS on a 68k Mac anyway? | 06:04 |
| infinity | BenC : MY Amiga goes toe-to-toe with My Pentium 233MMX, so that seems fair. | 06:04 |
| infinity | s/My/my/ ... Wow, I've been Microsofted. | 06:05 |
| fabbione | ahaa | 06:05 |
| infinity | Anyhow, if I can shoehorn ColdFire support into Debian's toolchain, m68k could become a reality for Ubuntu in microbuntu. | 06:06 |
| infinity | Lots (and LOTS) of Linux/Coldfire projects out there right now in the embedded world. | 06:06 |
| fabbione | infinity: what's Coldfire? | 06:07 |
| infinity | ColdFire == Newage m68k. | 06:07 |
| BenC | yeah, I have some Crestron equipment that I'd love to hack on | 06:07 |
| infinity | Dropped a few "useless instructions", added a few new ones (hardware RNG and crypto accel, mostly), and bumped the speed a bit. | 06:07 |
| BenC | does coldfire have mmu? | 06:08 |
| infinity | Yeahp. | 06:08 |
| infinity | Well, some do. Same at the oldskool m68k line, you can get them with and without MMU. | 06:08 |
| BenC | I'd love to have ubuntu boot on my crestron touchscreen RF remove :) | 06:08 |
| infinity | Obviously, we'd target the MMU varienty. The 68knommu target is much less interesting to Ubuntu. | 06:08 |
| BenC | *remote | 06:09 |
| infinity | The fastest ColdFires look to be on par with mid-range ARM, so it's no slouch. | 06:09 |
| infinity | Not "fast", but "fast enough". | 06:09 |
| BenC | it's got 32Megs of ram and 8megs of flash, plenty enough for OOo, firefox, and all of gnome | 06:10 |
| infinity | (And very, very low power, hence why it's being used places where people are saying no to ARM) | 06:10 |
| infinity | Oh, hey, LRM built. That can't be right. | 06:10 |
| infinity | It surely MUST be broken. | 06:10 |
| === infinity oozes confidence. | ||
| BenC | so lrm is uploaded? | 06:17 |
| infinity | Nah. Testing on machines here to make sure I didn't bugger it. | 06:18 |
| infinity | But I already uploaded the .orig.tar.gz to chinstrap, so I can fire off the rest rapidly when the kernel headers get NEWed. | 06:18 |
| infinity | That 80 meg upload is hell on my connection. | 06:19 |
| BenC | I have linux-meta ready | 06:20 |
| infinity | Did you actually bump the ABI this time? :P | 06:21 |
| infinity | (Last time it was a changelog entry with no debian/rules change..) | 06:21 |
| BenC | yes :P | 06:23 |
| infinity | Hey, someone has to keep you kernel genius types from getting a big head. :) | 06:24 |
| BenC | my wife is good at stiffling my ego | 06:24 |
| infinity | If by "stifling your ego", you mean "crushing your soul", mine's pretty good at that too. | 06:25 |
| infinity | Is hppa still gcc-3.4 in this upload (and still the only gcc-3.4 arch)? | 06:25 |
| BenC | yeah | 06:26 |
| infinity | Hrm. | 06:26 |
| infinity | Can I reliably extract the compiler from /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.15-$(ABI)/Makefile or something, rather than hardcoding it in each LRM upload? | 06:27 |
| BenC | nah | 06:27 |
| BenC | but if you used the kernel build system like a good module build, it would automatically do all this for you :) | 06:28 |
| infinity | Some LRM modules do, not all. | 06:28 |
| infinity | madwifi, for instance, is well-behaved. | 06:30 |
| infinity | If it wasn't for that little ath_hal bit, I'm sure it would find its way into the main tree. | 06:30 |
| === infinity gets out and pushes his amd64 to build faster. | ||
| infinity | BenC : -7.9 was also -rc5, yes? | 06:34 |
| infinity | (or close enough)? | 06:34 |
| BenC | close | 06:34 |
| infinity | Kay. I'm testing some patches that were for "-rc5 and over", but I can't be bothered snagging the new kernels from the buildds to test... | 06:35 |
| BenC | sweet, the big three are done | 06:35 |
| infinity | Specifically, stuff targetted at the new vm_insert_page() stuff. | 06:36 |
| BenC | anything new from nvidia for that? | 06:36 |
| infinity | Yeah. Which is what I'm testing. :) | 06:36 |
| BenC | I keep seeing WARN_ON()'s | 06:36 |
| BenC | ah, cool | 06:36 |
| infinity | Sometime, I need to sit down and backport some of these changes to the -legacy driver... | 06:38 |
| infinity | Not that -legacy doesn't work, but I suspect it's getting flakier and flakier with each kernel release. | 06:38 |
| fabbione | infinity: i assume we will have to drop it sooner or later | 06:39 |
| fabbione | at a certain point it won't build anymore | 06:39 |
| infinity | Upstream has committed to supporting it. | 06:40 |
| infinity | zander keeps releasing patches for it. | 06:40 |
| infinity | Just not as many as he does for the new driver. | 06:40 |
| infinity | So, it builds, it works, it's just not as loved. | 06:41 |
| fabbione | ok | 06:41 |
| fabbione | hmm Kamion was mentioning a udeb pkg that does the default kernel selection in d-i | 06:45 |
| fabbione | but i can't remember which one it is | 06:45 |
| fabbione | ah there it is | 06:45 |
| fabbione | base-installer | 06:45 |
| infinity | Okay, NVIDIA stuff (old and new) works, now to test fglrx... Kiss the laptop goodbye. | 06:46 |
| infinity | (fglrx will porbably still OOPS, from what I understand... ATI sucks) | 06:47 |
| infinity | BenC : When do you expect 2.6.15 to be final? | 06:47 |
| infinity | BenC : ATI "doesn't support unreleased kernels" like NVIDIA does. | 06:47 |
| fabbione | infinity: i am pretty sure .15 is not too far from now | 06:47 |
| infinity | Good. Then maybe the next fglrx release will stop sucking. | 06:48 |
| infinity | Oh well, off to test this one anyway. | 06:48 |
| fabbione | Linux v2.6.15-rc5 | 06:48 |
| fabbione | 06:48 | |
| fabbione | Hey, for no other reason than the fact that I'll be off-line for a | 06:48 |
| fabbione | week. | 06:48 |
| fabbione | 06:48 | |
| fabbione | Of course, I could force everybody to just use git (and when I'm emperor | 06:48 |
| fabbione | of the world, don't think I won't!), but it seems some people want to | 06:48 |
| fabbione | just test official releases. Even if they are just -rc's. | 06:48 |
| fabbione | 06:48 | |
| fabbione | By the time I'm back, Andrew will have fixed all my bugs, and I'll | 06:48 |
| fabbione | release it as 2.6.15 and take all the credit. | 06:48 |
| fabbione | 06:48 | |
| fabbione | Mwahahahaaa | 06:48 |
| fabbione | 06:48 | |
| fabbione | Signed-off-by: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org> | 06:48 |
| infinity | What day was that? | 06:49 |
| fabbione | Date: Sat Dec 3 21:10:42 2005 -0800 | 06:49 |
| infinity | Okay, so triple his "one week" estimate, and that gives us a final release in 11 days or so. | 06:49 |
| infinity | Not too bad. | 06:49 |
| BenC | I think it will be a new years release | 06:50 |
| BenC | christmas coming up, he wont be getting a lot done | 06:50 |
| infinity | Just cause Linux like flash and show? | 06:51 |
| infinity | s/Linux/Linus/ | 06:51 |
| === infinity remembers the "greased turkey" release. | ||
| infinity | Which conjured up all sorts of images I didn't want. | 06:51 |
| infinity | THANKS LINUS. | 06:51 |
| BenC | yeah, holiday releases are always good :) | 06:51 |
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| fabbione | night Ben | 07:03 |
| infinity | BenC : Wait! | 07:36 |
| infinity | Meh, too late, I guess. | 07:36 |
| fabbione | infinity: anything i can do? | 08:00 |
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| infinity | fabbione : No, I just wanted him to put his linux-meta changes somewhere, so I could upload them when the kernels are NEWed. | 08:30 |
| infinity | I assume he changed stuff for the -server rename, etc, and didn't want to duplicate the effort. | 08:30 |
| fabbione | infinity: ah ok | 08:31 |
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| CataEnry | hi all | 12:46 |
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| BenC | linux-meta uploaded, for the interested | 01:58 |
| BenC | fabbione: ping | 01:59 |
| jbailey | BenC: Hey - saw the unix.ko builtin in the changelog. I'm curious why you built it in, we loaded it in the initramfs. | 01:59 |
| fabbione | BenC: pong | 02:00 |
| fabbione | BenC: Adam did upload linux-meta too | 02:00 |
| BenC | jbailey: Keybuk/Kamion said to build it in | 02:00 |
| BenC | he did? | 02:00 |
| fabbione | yes | 02:00 |
| BenC | oh well, collision :) | 02:00 |
| Kamion | jbailey: everything was loading it unconditionally - good sign that it should be built-in | 02:00 |
| fabbione | BenC: what can i do for you? | 02:01 |
| jbailey | Kamion: Except for larger kernels making building floppies and such suck a little bit more. | 02:01 |
| BenC | fabbione: vtun is up if you want to push a kernel build | 02:01 |
| Kamion | yeah, well I didn't really mind either way; I certainly see your argument | 02:01 |
| fabbione | BenC: i am build gcj-4.1 now to track down the gcc (as) segfault | 02:01 |
| fabbione | BenC: i noticed that the tunnel problems happen my side when the tunnel dies... | 02:02 |
| Kamion | I didn't have any objections to building it in, but I don't think I said to build it in :) | 02:02 |
| fabbione | so i could restart it easily | 02:02 |
| BenC | fabbione: ah, didn't notice you were on there :) | 02:02 |
| fabbione | BenC: eheheh i can sneak everywhere :P | 02:02 |
| === BenC feels violated | ||
| fabbione | but vtun has a bug on the server side and doesn't ifconfig down / up when the tunnel restarts.. so it hangs | 02:02 |
| fabbione | if i stop the server, ifconfig down, start the server, everything is cool | 02:03 |
| BenC | Kamion: slight exageration on my part to avoid getting blamed :) | 02:03 |
| fabbione | BenC: eheh :) | 02:03 |
| jbailey | Kamion, BenC: It's not a big deal, since it's small. I'm occasionally hacking on floppy support for d-i in Debian. Having small kernels is really important. =) | 02:03 |
| BenC | jbailey: does d-i itself need unix.ko? | 02:03 |
| fabbione | BenC: did you see the mail from Claire? | 02:04 |
| BenC | not yet | 02:04 |
| fabbione | BenC: ok | 02:04 |
| fabbione | let me know if you want to answer or should I | 02:04 |
| fabbione | both ways work for me | 02:04 |
| jbailey | BenC: Probably. I don't think I need it for the bit where I get the user to put in a new floppy into the drive and hit enter to load stuff off of it, though. | 02:04 |
| BenC | fabbione: oh yeah, got that | 02:04 |
| BenC | was going to email him this morning | 02:04 |
| jbailey | BenC: That's Debian stuff mind you - I don't know that we care about floppy installs in Ubuntu. | 02:04 |
| fabbione | BenC: ok perfect | 02:05 |
| Kamion | BenC: yes, we need unix.ko, but having it built-in is fine too | 02:05 |
| Kamion | i.e. we need the feature, not necessarily the module | 02:05 |
| Kamion | floppy installs in Ubuntu have never worked yet, but they'd be really nice to do at *some* point | 02:05 |
| BenC | well, I _had_ to switch to ide-core being built-in, so adding unix was a small increase compared | 02:05 |
| jbailey | Kamion: Okay. Honestly, I had assumed we would never care here. | 02:06 |
| BenC | otherwise it would have been a big todo exporting the kernel command_line out to the ide-core modules | 02:06 |
| jbailey | Kamion: I still maintain that as long as we include openoffice in the default install, we clearly don't care about any machine older than about 5 years. =) | 02:06 |
| jbailey | (And at that, they were high end machines 5 years ago) | 02:07 |
| BenC | I will never ever ever try to do a floppy install for as long as I live | 02:07 |
| BenC | how long has x86 been able to boot from floppy? | 02:09 |
| BenC | err, cdrom | 02:09 |
| === BenC remembers doing nt4 installs that had to start with a 3 floppy set | ||
| fabbione | at least 5 years | 02:09 |
| fabbione | actually... 7 | 02:09 |
| BenC | win95 install could be booted from cdrom, couldn't it? | 02:10 |
| fabbione | yup | 02:10 |
| Mithrandir | BenC: nt4 could boot off CD | 02:10 |
| Kamion | I still get requests *shrug* | 02:10 |
| jbailey | Mithrandir: SCSI Cdrom, yes. | 02:10 |
| BenC | the original nt4 installs I did couldn't | 02:10 |
| jbailey | Mithrandir: Not the first IDEs | 02:10 |
| Kamion | from owners of laptops that don't boot properly off CD-ROM | 02:10 |
| Mithrandir | jbailey: sure, but SCSI is teh way. | 02:11 |
| Kamion | the laptop can run Ubuntu fine once it's installed, it's just that the BIOS is fucked | 02:11 |
| fabbione | Kamion: point them to netboot :) | 02:11 |
| BenC | I don't think I own a machine with a floppy anymore | 02:11 |
| Kamion | fabbione: I do, but seriously dude, that's stupid and tedious for laptops | 02:11 |
| jbailey | Mithrandir: SCSI is an indiciation that you came from the sabdfl "I have too much money" school of business. =) | 02:11 |
| BenC | except my i2k, but I'd rip it out if I could | 02:11 |
| Mithrandir | I think I first booted off CDROMs back before there were IDE cdroms. | 02:11 |
| Kamion | or USB sticks, but they can't all boot from USB either | 02:11 |
| Mithrandir | jbailey: my father worked at the university and brought all the new and shiny stuff home to play with^W^Wtest. | 02:11 |
| Kamion | at the moment they have to use Smart Boot Manager which apparently is some kind of floppy->CD bootstrap weirdness | 02:12 |
| fabbione | Kamion: i install my laptops with netboot... what's wrong with it? | 02:12 |
| jbailey | Mithrandir: Yeah, I remember that from when my father owned the first computer store in the lowermainland | 02:12 |
| Kamion | fabbione: not everybody is you | 02:12 |
| fabbione | Kamion: i know.. and nobody will ever wish that :) | 02:12 |
| jbailey | Mithrandir: All sorts of crazy new shit. Like 300 baud modems when all the cool kids had 110. =) | 02:12 |
| Kamion | fabbione: not everybody has a convenient TFTP/DHCP setup on another machine, for one ... | 02:12 |
| jbailey | fabbione: Or like me, who does, but can't be bothered to tweak his linksys to ignore a particular host. | 02:13 |
| fabbione | jbailey: that's because you are lazy :) | 02:13 |
| BenC | my ssh sessions on this satellite connection feel like 300 baud | 02:13 |
| jbailey | fabbione: I'm not lazy enough, clearly. | 02:13 |
| jbailey | fabbione: This is something I'm working on. | 02:13 |
| fabbione | jbailey: you should just plug 2 ethernets in one machine and use it as a gw | 02:13 |
| fabbione | BenC: i feel your pain! | 02:14 |
| jbailey | fabbione: Nah. What I should do is hack the wireless box and run my tftp server on it directly. | 02:14 |
| jbailey | fabbione: But since even the new linksys "L" boxes are crippled somewhat, I think I'll wait for another hobbiest hacking box. | 02:14 |
| BenC | I wonder if I could turn dialup back on and have the linksys route my ssh traffic over that | 02:14 |
| BenC | dialup was 5 times less lag than this dialup | 02:14 |
| BenC | jbailey: get wrt54g(s) | 02:16 |
| jbailey | They don't sell the s's anymore, apparently. | 02:16 |
| BenC | I have my two running dd-wrt, and 7db atennas, and they work great | 02:16 |
| BenC | yeah, they do actually, at walmart | 02:16 |
| jbailey | Eh, really? | 02:16 |
| BenC | just don't get v5 | 02:16 |
| BenC | v4 is ok | 02:16 |
| jbailey | BenC: I'll go look at my local store, otherwise can I get you to pick one up next time you're at walmart and I'll buy it off of you? | 02:17 |
| BenC | sure | 02:17 |
| jbailey | walmart probably has such a long stock line that they just haven't run out yet. | 02:17 |
| BenC | yeah, I think that is the case | 02:17 |
| jbailey | I need to head downtown today anyway at some point. I'll check future shop. | 02:17 |
| BenC | g or gs, it's $50 and $80 | 02:17 |
| BenC | ? | 02:18 |
| jbailey | 'cause yeah The gs had 32mb of ram, IIRC? | 02:18 |
| jbailey | BenC: http://www.futureshop.ca/ is a large computer chain here. | 02:18 |
| BenC | don't think so | 02:18 |
| BenC | just had the speed boost | 02:18 |
| BenC | v5 only has 4megs | 02:18 |
| jbailey | Mind you, I should probably go support the only union walmart in qubec. =) | 02:18 |
| BenC | that's why they can't be hacked on | 02:18 |
| BenC | lol | 02:18 |
| jbailey | Hmm | 02:21 |
| jbailey | I forgot that it's decemeber. Can't buy anything for myself - house rules. | 02:22 |
| fabbione | speaking of which | 02:27 |
| fabbione | i need a Gigabit switch | 02:27 |
| BenC | who is going to be required to go to the distro sprint, all of the distro team? | 02:31 |
| BenC | I was already planning a World Series of Power Circuit tournament that was on Feb 7 :/ | 02:31 |
| BenC | s/Power/Poker/ | 02:32 |
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| zul | heylo | 02:34 |
| fabbione | BenC: yes.. all of the distro team | 02:34 |
| fabbione | that would include you as well | 02:34 |
| jbailey | Note to BenC: If you have something important to you to do. Book it early. =) | 02:37 |
| jbailey | That way at least you can fall back on the "But I paid for this already" argument. I don't know how well it works, mind you, but... | 02:37 |
| BenC | it's already booked, I have a reservation with 3 other guys who are going to | 02:37 |
| BenC | tournament fee paid | 02:38 |
| mjg59 | When/where is the distro sprint? | 02:41 |
| jbailey | Yeah, make sure you note these in your staffcalendar. | 02:41 |
| jbailey | mjg59: End of January, in the UK. | 02:41 |
| jbailey | mjg59: I think we didn't want you to have to leave your army or something. =) | 02:41 |
| mjg59 | Haha | 02:42 |
| mjg59 | Except I'm in New Zealand | 02:42 |
| zul | which tournament BenC? | 02:42 |
| mjg59 | You guys all suck | 02:42 |
| BenC | zul: World Series of Poker Circuit even in Harrah's in Atlantic City | 02:42 |
| zul | cool...im totally in the wrong area | 02:43 |
| BenC | mjg59: you looked at #18164 at all? | 02:43 |
| jbailey | mjg59: New Zealand? WTH are you down there? | 02:43 |
| Kamion | jbailey: better class of sheep | 02:43 |
| jbailey | mjg59: Haven't you seen from the Canonical folks what happens when you stand upside down for too long? | 02:43 |
| mjg59 | LCA | 02:43 |
| mjg59 | BenC: Yeah, Linux hates HPs | 02:44 |
| mjg59 | It's worse on the nx6125 for some reason | 02:44 |
| mjg59 | Haven't figured out if it's Linux or the BIOS | 02:44 |
| mjg59 | I'll give it a kick at some point | 02:44 |
| mjg59 | (Can somebody please check whether suspend is broken for them on x86 and work out why? I still don't have time, and won't until some time next year) | 02:45 |
| BenC | the kernel.org bug report shows they are getting acpi thermal events from hw, just that they are getting out to userspace | 02:45 |
| BenC | mjg59: I did /etc/acpi/hibernate.sh last night on my P4, and it worked | 02:45 |
| mjg59 | BenC: Hibernate is fine, it's suspend that's broken | 02:46 |
| mjg59 | BenC: Rather, the kernel bug shows that the DSDT is being executed, but not that stuff is getting to the higher kernel levels. Sigh. | 02:47 |
| mjg59 | That'll be fun to track down | 02:48 |
| mjg59 | Actually, it might not be too bad | 02:49 |
| mjg59 | Sprinkle some printks through it, see where it's dropping them | 02:49 |
| BenC | mjg59: how do I force suspend? | 02:50 |
| mjg59 | BenC: /etc/acpi/sleep.sh | 02:51 |
| mjg59 | Might need to enable it in /etc/default/acpi-support first | 02:51 |
| BenC | how are others seeing it fail? | 02:59 |
| BenC | mine didn't really do much, except corrupt my vga, and if up/down my network interface | 03:00 |
| BenC | mjg59: the odd thing about that bug is that if they run acpi -t, it gets events, so to me it sounds like a kernel bug | 03:02 |
| mjg59 | BenC: Machine hangs when it should go to sleep | 03:03 |
| mjg59 | BenC: acpi -t executes further DSDT code | 03:03 |
| BenC | setting acpi sleep to ram didn't work for me it seems | 03:04 |
| BenC | acpi standby worked | 03:04 |
| BenC | neither froze the machine though | 03:04 |
| BenC | suspend to mem goes down (disables everything, I can see in dmesg), but comes right back up | 03:07 |
| BenC | how do I enable suspend to disk? | 03:08 |
| mjg59 | That's what hibernate does | 03:08 |
| BenC | ok | 03:09 |
| BenC | well, I didn't freeze up, -8.10-686 kernel | 03:09 |
| BenC | standby fixed my vga console too | 03:10 |
| mjg59 | Well, if it didn't actually sleep, then it's not going through the codepath that's failing | 03:10 |
| BenC | how can I debug why it didn't sleep? | 03:10 |
| BenC | maybe I need to build a acpi debug enabled kernel | 03:10 |
| mjg59 | dmesg ought to give a hint | 03:11 |
| BenC | says nothing | 03:12 |
| BenC | after the last IRQ disable, it starts enabling irqs/devices again | 03:12 |
| mjg59 | Right | 03:13 |
| mjg59 | What does /sys/power/state look like? | 03:13 |
| BenC | "standby disk", so I guess I don't have suspend to mem support | 03:13 |
| BenC | my G4 does have suspend to mem | 03:13 |
| BenC | guess I can give it a try | 03:13 |
| BenC | ah, but that's isn't acpi, so probably pointles | 03:14 |
| infinity | BenC : Sorry for the collision, I wasn't sure when you were coming back. | 03:19 |
| BenC | no problem | 03:19 |
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| infinity | mjg59 : Say, when do I get my screen-lock (screen close) button working again? | 03:22 |
| mjg59 | infinity: Oh, soon | 03:24 |
| AcidPils | hi | 04:06 |
| AcidPils | finally my acx module is working, but i dont know why :o | 04:06 |
| BenC | did you upgrade to -8? | 04:06 |
| AcidPils | nope :o | 04:07 |
| BenC | heh, it may break again, but it may also work better :) | 04:07 |
| BenC | can you install linux-restricted-modules and new linux-image-2.6.15-8? | 04:07 |
| AcidPils | now i just have to get a link to my ap... | 04:07 |
| BenC | brand new acx module (acx, not acx_usb or acx_pci), and new firmware | 04:07 |
| AcidPils | *install* | 04:08 |
| infinity | I assume the acx module exports all the right magic for udev to handle hot/coldplugging for every known device? | 04:12 |
| AcidPils | <- get some beer and then reboot :o | 04:13 |
| BenC | it loads the filenames from acx/default/ by default | 04:13 |
| BenC | tries taicx1XXc%02x first (c == combined) | 04:14 |
| BenC | falls back to loading tiacx1XX and tiac1XXrYY as seperate bins | 04:14 |
| BenC | usb is always tiacx100usb | 04:15 |
| BenC | by default it looks in acx/default/, but with firmware_ver module parm, it will replace default with whatever version you pass | 04:15 |
| BenC | I hope udev can handle relative paths names for firmware files | 04:16 |
| BenC | mjg59: 20894 claims suspend is working with -8.10, | 04:17 |
| mjg59 | BenC: That's hibernate again | 04:18 |
| BenC | the report says suspend to disk and mem | 04:18 |
| mjg59 | Hmm | 04:18 |
| mjg59 | Maybe it's fixed, then | 04:18 |
| BenC | I asked for confirmation that it works for mem too | 04:19 |
| AcidPils | hmm.. it works, exept for the missing link, but this is pebcak i think | 04:23 |
| AcidPils | except | 04:23 |
| BenC | zul: ping | 04:28 |
| BenC | missing link? | 04:28 |
| AcidPils | link is ok now, but still no ip | 04:29 |
| AcidPils | Link Quality=38/100 | 04:29 |
| BenC | link speed? | 04:30 |
| AcidPils | 54mbit | 04:33 |
| AcidPils | iwconfig output: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/5696 | 04:34 |
| jbailey | BenC: BTW, I haven't been tracking carefully, but I haven't had X crashes in a few days I think. | 04:34 |
| AcidPils | oh, theres a key :o | 04:34 |
| jbailey | BenC: I only reliased it because of gnome-terminal breaking. I hadn't been as careful making sure I saved every few seconds before. | 04:35 |
| BenC | jbailey: ooh, nice | 04:35 |
| AcidPils | ok, key wasnt the problem | 04:35 |
| BenC | your signal level is really low | 04:36 |
| AcidPils | BenC: i know, but it worked already... two walls and a m ceiling | 04:37 |
| AcidPils | i am happy that there is a link at all ;) | 04:37 |
| BenC | yeah, it's progress :) | 04:37 |
| zul | BenC: pong | 04:42 |
| BenC | zul: 10834, you claimed to have it fixed in your git | 04:43 |
| zul | is that the acpi one? i had to revert it i was going to look at it tonight.. | 04:44 |
| BenC | ok | 04:55 |
| siretart | AcidPils: nice essid ('default') | 05:00 |
| AcidPils | i like it ;) | 05:01 |
| jbailey | Far better than "linksys" | 05:03 |
| jbailey | That just conflicts with the neighbours. = | 05:03 |
| jbailey | ) | 05:03 |
| AcidPils | *g* | 05:04 |
| AcidPils | my neighbours dont know what wlan is ;) | 05:04 |
| zul | BenC: basically its an annoying printk that i have to shutup | 05:08 |
| zul | but the real fix is to get the motherboard infomration and add it to asus_acpi.c | 05:09 |
| siretart | AcidPils: I don't know much about acx, but line 002 from your iwconfig output looks suspicous | 05:18 |
| siretart | AcidPils: try it without encryption | 05:19 |
| AcidPils | siretart: i did it already, nothing changes | 05:20 |
| siretart | AcidPils: I think that Access Point: 00:00:00:00:00:00 should show your BSSID of your AP | 05:23 |
| AcidPils | siretart: yes | 05:23 |
| AcidPils | An address equal to 00:00:00:00:00:00 means that the card failed to associate with an Access Point (most likely a configuration issue) | 05:24 |
| siretart | so try without encryption. one point less that can go wrong | 05:25 |
| AcidPils | i have mn+ | 05:26 |
| AcidPils | i have no enc atm | 05:26 |
| siretart | your iwconfig out shows that. hm | 05:26 |
| AcidPils | thats an old one | 05:26 |
| AcidPils | with encryption | 05:27 |
| siretart | ok | 05:27 |
| AcidPils | http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/5697 <-- without its the same | 05:27 |
| AcidPils | time to get some food brb | 05:28 |
| siretart | Encryption key:1234-5678-91? looks weird. | 05:29 |
| AcidPils | siretart: that was a test, simpel key so no typos ;) | 05:40 |
| AcidPils | i set iwconfig wlan0 key off but still no ap :( | 05:41 |
| BenC | AcidPils: what firmware got loaded? | 05:54 |
| BenC | you may need a different version | 05:54 |
| BenC | look in /lib/firmware/2.6.15-8-686/acx/ | 05:54 |
| BenC | or whatever your kernel version is | 05:55 |
| BenC | in there is a readme that shows what firmware versions are available for your acx111 pci | 05:55 |
| BenC | so you can try doing "rmmod acx; modprobe acx firmware_ver=X.Y.X.B" to load different firmware | 05:56 |
| AcidPils | 2.3.1.31 is loaded | 05:56 |
| AcidPils | i try anotherone | 05:56 |
| BenC | ok, try older ones then | 05:56 |
| BenC | if you find that an older one works, shoot me your lspci -vvn for the device | 05:57 |
| AcidPils | hmm, when i use 1.2.0.30 i get some feedback | 06:06 |
| AcidPils | wlan0: association FAILED: peer sent response code 10 (Cannot support all requested capabilities in Capability Information field) | 06:06 |
| AcidPils | when i make ifup wlan0 | 06:06 |
| BenC | glad to hear it's actually working...the firmware naming/ver code I added without testing :) | 06:08 |
| BenC | the firmware loading that is | 06:08 |
| AcidPils | *g* | 06:08 |
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| fabbione | BenC: ping? | 06:28 |
| BenC | fabbione: pong | 06:28 |
| fabbione | [ 119.181016] NFSD: Using /var/lib/nfs/v4recovery as the NFSv4 state recovery d | 06:28 |
| fabbione | irectory | 06:28 |
| fabbione | [ 119.181225] NFSD: recovery directory /var/lib/nfs/v4recovery doesn't exist | 06:28 |
| fabbione | [ 119.181229] NFSD: starting 90-second grace period | 06:28 |
| fabbione | did we switch to nfs4 by default? | 06:29 |
| fabbione | i also need to figure how to get a bigger buffer for dmesg | 06:29 |
| BenC | pretty sure I didn't change any of that from breezy, but it's possible | 06:29 |
| fabbione | i can barely see 1/4 of what's in there with this box | 06:29 |
| BenC | kern.log | 06:29 |
| fabbione | i like dmesg better :) | 06:30 |
| BenC | nfsd is userspace nfsd, isn't it? | 06:30 |
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| fabbione | nope | 06:32 |
| fabbione | kernel-server | 06:32 |
| fabbione | i am pretty sure this message is new | 06:33 |
| fabbione | since i switched to .15 i did check dmesg everytime | 06:33 |
| fabbione | and i am fairly confident it was not there in -7- | 06:33 |
| fabbione | but i can check again.. not just now | 06:33 |
| mjg59 | BenC: Ok, suspend seems to be fixed | 06:35 |
| mjg59 | Just had another confirmation | 06:35 |
| mjg59 | Oh, and Alan Cox just posted another set of PATA patches for libata | 06:35 |
| mjg59 | We need to make some sort of decision on whether to go with that or not (my suspicion is that we should wait until Dapper+1) | 06:36 |
| BenC | yeah, we need to come up with some sort of upgrade plan | 06:48 |
| zul | fabbione: dmesg -s works | 06:51 |
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| zul | damn it my $40 earphones broke | 09:02 |
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| CataEnry | hi all | 09:56 |
| zul | later | 10:08 |
| BenC | are pctel modems supported by linux-restricted-modules? | 10:11 |
| mjg59 | No | 10:19 |
| mjg59 | At least, I don't think so | 10:19 |
| mjg59 | Aren't they AC97s? Do they not work with sl-modem? | 10:19 |
| BenC | I'm just closing bug reports asking to support them, the driver looks too risky even for lrm | 10:19 |
| BenC | nah, these certain ones have to be compiled with pre-built object files of unknown origin | 10:21 |
| mjg59 | BenC: Should work fine with the alsa driver and sl-modem-daemon | 10:23 |
| mjg59 | Hm. There's a few chipsets that are only supported with the actual sl-modem driver, which would have to go in l-r-m | 10:29 |
| mjg59 | Oh, gah, maybe there are some non-AC97 ones | 10:32 |
| mjg59 | Hngh | 10:32 |
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| BenC | crispin: can you try booting with disable_timer_pin_1 and see if that helps? | 11:33 |
| BenC | if it does, send me dmidecode, and I'll start a blacklist for systems experiencing that problem | 11:34 |
| crispin | I just add that to the command line ? | 11:34 |
| BenC | yeah | 11:34 |
| crispin | k | 11:34 |
| crispin | urgh, that causes the machine not to boot | 11:37 |
| crispin | removing the 'quiet splash', it gets to "Running /scripts/init-premount" | 11:38 |
| crispin | then some ACPI stuff appears, then nothing | 11:38 |
| crispin | BenC: could the values in /etc/adjtime be causing a fast clock ? | 11:43 |
| crispin | I have no idea how that file is used .... | 11:43 |
| BenC | not sure, I don't know how it all works together | 11:44 |
| crispin | 1 second in 5 minutes is what my machine is gaining | 11:44 |
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