[12:27] <JohnnyMast> have a nice sleep you all
[01:47] <sistpoty> hi folks
[01:47] <crimsun> hi sistpoty
[02:18] <thierry> LaserJock : could you look at malone bug 3250 ? I think we should tell this guy that universe repository is not in sources.list by default, and reject the bug
[02:18] <Ubugtu> Malone bug #3250: Broken Package - mozilla-mailnews In: mozilla (Ubuntu), Severity: Normal, Assigned to: MOTU, Status: New https://launchpad.net/bugs/3250
[02:18] <thierry> or any other helpful MOTU who wants to look at it :)
[02:22] <crimsun> reject it
[02:23] <crimsun> if someone enables universe, (s)he is assumed to have the good sense to enable updates,security for it, too.
[02:23] <crimsun> I wouldn't word it thusly, but something along those lines suffices
[02:25] <thierry> crimsun : yeah but I don't have the rights to reject it ;)
[02:26] <thierry> ho wait maybe I do... sorry
[02:26] <Nafallo> update-manager won't start anymore?
[02:27] <Nafallo> ...or is it just me? :-)
[02:27] <crimsun> it seemed to start here
[02:27] <crimsun> err, scratch that
[02:27] <crimsun> confusion with update-notifier
[02:28] <crimsun> yeah, it fails here with gnome_program_init_paramv: assertion `nparams > 0' failed
[02:31] <Nafallo> indeed
[02:31] <Nafallo> can't find a pixmap or something like that :-)
[02:32] <thierry> crimsun : accepting a bug is just like confirming it right?
[02:32] <crimsun> thierry: it also implies that you're actively working on it
[02:32] <thierry> crimsun : ho ok...
[02:47] <ajmitch>  yay, finally got DSL back
[02:47] <ajmitch> it's annoying when it goes down for an hour or so
[02:47] <sistpoty> hehe
[02:47] <Kyral> ...Is it bad that I though Damn Small Linux?
[02:48] <ajmitch> Kyral: yes, you're a sad geek
[02:48] <Kyral> ajmitch: then what are you?
[02:48] <ajmitch> nobody knows ;)
[02:48] <Kyral> I mean you are a DD ;P
[02:48] <ajmitch> a patient geek?
[02:48] <Kyral> lol
[02:48] <sistpoty> rrze (computer centre of my university) doesn't deliver any mails atm, I feel somehow cut off from the world *g*
[02:49] <Kyral> lol
[02:49] <Kyral> I think its bad when you carry around you own 4-port hub in your laptop bag :D
[02:49] <ajmitch> sistpoty: I rely on ssh for all my work, I needed that internet connection!
[02:49] <crimsun> bah, I have a pringles can in my bag
[02:50] <Kyral> ajmitch: so can I :D
[02:50] <sistpoty> ajmitch: oh, then I guess I'm not hit that bad ;)
[02:51] <sistpoty> (at least I can still ssh to rrze server and less /var/mail/sistpoty)
[02:51] <Nafallo> I wish I had REAL broadband.
[02:51] <Kyral> You know you are a geek when....
[02:51] <Nafallo> the kind that has the same bandwidth in both directions :-P
[02:52] <ajmitch> Nafallo: the broadband you have isn't good enough for you? :P
[02:52] <Kyral> you know you are a geek when you put the return address on envelopes as "$HOME"
[02:52] <Nafallo> ajmitch: upstream is ALWAYS swamped :-P
[02:53] <ajmitch> Nafallo: so stop file sharing
[02:53] <ajmitch> it plays havoc with tcp downloads
[02:53] <Nafallo> baah
[02:53] <Kyral> or you know your IP Address better than your RL Address
[02:54] <Nafallo> lol
[02:54] <Kyral> lol
[02:54] <sistpoty> hehe, I had a similar case once, but I just banned his mac ;)
[02:54] <ajmitch> now he just spends his time on world of warcraft
[02:55] <Nafallo> ouch. that's almost worse :-P
[03:20] <zakame> morning all :-)
[03:21] <sistpoty> hi zakame
[03:22] <zakame> hi sistpoty :)
[03:29] <LaserJock> hi Kyral
[03:30] <zakame> heya Kyral , LaserJock :)
[03:31] <LaserJock> hi zakame
[03:31] <Kyral> heya
[03:31] <Kyral> sithspit its freezing out
[03:32] <LaserJock> Kyral: temp?
[03:32] <Kyral> YAH!
[03:32] <zakame> waah
[03:35] <LaserJock> Kyral: seemed cold here today (high of 36F) but I can't complain too much
[03:35] <Kyral> 14 F
[03:35] <Kyral> tomorrow's high is 18 F with a low of -6 BEFORE wind chill
[03:36] <zakame> whoa
[03:36] <Kyral> Welcome to the frozen wasteland
[03:36] <jsgotangco> that's a big tunraround
[03:38] <LaserJock> Kyral: I lived in Montana until I came here for grad school. It was pretty chilly there too. I think it was -19 at my inlaws yesterday
[03:38] <LaserJock> for some reason NV doesn't seem much warmer, just a lot hotter in the summer
[03:39] <Kyral> lol
[03:40] <zakame> gaah
[03:47] <Nafallo> oooh
[03:47] <Nafallo> kernel
[03:49] <zakame> sistpoty: w00t
[03:49] <ajmitch> sistpoty: yay
[03:49] <sistpoty> hehe, I really used my 7 steps to update the merge list, which I sent to tiber admins... I guess I'd forgotten otherwise how to do it *g*
[03:49] <ajmitch> and about 150 assigned?
[03:50] <sistpoty> the assigned aren't touched (or shouldn't be)
[03:50] <Kyral> LaserJock: your @ubuntu start working yet?
[03:50] <ajmitch> sistpoty: yes, but how many assigned bugs are there?
[03:51] <ajmitch> firefox just decided to go crazy here (again)
[03:51] <ajmitch> so I can't tell
[03:51] <sistpoty> ajmitch: 195
[03:51] <ajmitch> ouch
[03:51] <ajmitch> too many
[03:51] <Nafallo> -4 real soon :-)
[03:52] <sistpoty> the ones from me are either uploaded (1) or ftbfs on ia64 (2)
[03:52] <ajmitch> mine are all sitting on my disk
[03:52] <ajmitch> zope ones shouldn't take long :)
[03:52] <sistpoty> hehe
[03:53] <sistpoty> maybe there are some already fixed on the assigned list as well... the email-parser/launchpad communication isn't the most stable yet
[03:55] <LaserJock> Kyral: not yet
[04:00] <zakame> er, k3d shouldn't be assigned to me... and its not even a merge bug :(
[04:01] <jsgotangco> no complaints! work! *cracks whip*
[04:03] <sistpoty> zakame: just saw it
[04:03] <ajmitch> sistpoty: just assign them all to \sh
[04:04] <sistpoty> hm... will save him some work of filing bugs :P
[04:11] <sistpoty> ajmitch: seb128 complains bout nautilus-python (malone: #4832)
[04:13] <ajmitch> sistpoty: that was 2 weeks ago..
[04:14] <sistpoty> well, just noted it while going through each bug
[04:14] <ajmitch> the day after I filed the merge bug, and I talked to him on irc since then :)
[04:14] <sistpoty> hehe
[04:14] <ajmitch> 0.4.x does crash
[04:14] <ajmitch> and it requires some looking at
[04:32] <sistpoty> I'm off to bed now... gn8 everyone
[04:33] <LaserJock> cya sistpoty
[04:40] <crimsun> StevenK: yeah, I hrmed at it, too, since it's preventing at least one of my packages from building
[04:40] <crimsun> just haven't had time to drill down and fix it
[04:42] <StevenK> I switched to libwnn-dev and that causes it now be okay about Build-Depends, but then fail to build.
[04:55] <StevenK> Right. The new version of wnn6-sdk (1.0.0-13) looks to be better.
[04:56] <StevenK> Just gotta wait for them to hit the archive.
[04:59] <ajmitch> StevenK: how much grace time should I give a debian bug submitter before I feel like going & beating them?
[05:03] <StevenK> ajmitch: Time to skip the country? :-P
[05:17] <ajmitch> probably\
[06:45] <zakame> afternoon all :)
[06:46] <LaserJock> hi
[06:51] <jah_raztah> 12:51 am here
[06:52] <zakame> ooh, that reminds me...
[07:05] <ajmitch> hi
[07:05] <zakame> hi ajmitch , your lesson rocks! :D
[07:06] <ajmitch> hah, thanks
[07:06] <ajmitch> I hope it's coherent enough
[07:07] <jsgotangco> oh great professor ajmitch!
[07:08] <ajmitch> oh shut up :P
[07:09] <LaserJock> ajmitch: what time was that for you?
[07:09] <ajmitch> 6am
[07:09] <LaserJock> that was very coherent for 6am ;-)
[07:12] <jsgotangco> because he's already a well-seasoned, veteran :D
[07:12] <ajmitch> :P
[07:12] <ajmitch> I'm not the international celebrity speaker who flies all over the world to give talks
[07:12] <jsgotangco> yeah that's jdu
[07:13] <jsgotangco> b
[07:13] <jsgotangco> :D
[07:13] <ajmitch> and now the famous jsgotangco
[07:13] <jsgotangco> gyahhh
[07:13] <ajmitch> we are in the presence of greatness here!
[07:14] <LaserJock> Masters of the Universe at least ;-)
[07:14] <zakame> w00t
[07:14] <ajmitch> LaserJock: jsgotangco flew all the way to korea to give a talk
[07:14] <LaserJock> yeah, I heard about that
[07:14] <LaserJock> that is so cool
[07:14] <ajmitch> nobody can compete with that
[07:15] <LaserJock> maybe if mark had given a talk from space
[07:15] <ajmitch> true
[07:15] <ajmitch> mark is flying all the way to dunedin, new zealand
[07:16] <ajmitch> and is giving a keynote talk
[07:16] <ajmitch> is that cool enough/
[07:16] <ajmitch> ?
[07:16] <LaserJock> yeah
[07:16] <LaserJock> I wish I could see him in the US.
[07:16] <jsgotangco> i want to refute that statement but it'll give you another chance to say something :P
[07:17] <zakame> greatness indeed
[07:19] <ajmitch> jsgotangco: checked out if you can come to LCA yet?
[07:20] <jsgotangco> ajmitch, i'm flying to brisbane this weekend, i'll see what i can do
[07:20] <ajmitch> ah right
[07:20] <ajmitch> I thought it was last weekend, my bad
[07:23] <jsgotangco> ajmitch, going to dunedin won't be an issue, finding a place to stay would probably be
[07:24] <ajmitch> I might have a spare room here still :)
[07:50] <bojan> morning!
[07:51] <ajmitch> hi
[08:33] <zakame> hi bojan
[08:49] <bojan> hi zakame!
[09:11] <sivang> re again ajmitch
[09:12] <sivang> ajmitch: are you resigning or being dismissed? (I guess it's job switching season ;-)
[09:13] <ajmitch> hm, it was a short/medium-term contract sort of thing
[09:17] <sivang> ajmitch: ah I see, you completed the project there?
[09:18] <ajmitch> yeah
[10:17] <ajmitch> what's new in MOTU land?
[10:47] <\sh> that i'm more sick then yesterday.....I shouldn't have gone to amu yesterday evening
[10:48] <ajmitch> \sh!
[10:48] <zakame> evening all :D
[10:48] <ajmitch> that doesn't sound good
[10:48] <ajmitch> too much drink?
[10:48] <\sh> ajmitch: cold
[10:49] <ajmitch> ah
[10:50] <\sh> sore throat, higher body temperature then yesterday, the typical things
[10:51] <ajmitch> not so fun
[10:51] <\sh> actually a good sign that I'm going back to normal
[10:51] <\sh> 2 years without a cold or any other illness, that's not normal
[10:51] <ajmitch> yeah
[10:51] <ajmitch> I don't often get one
[10:52] <\sh> nah not often...but at least one your body should have once a year to build up your immunesystem
[10:57] <\sh> oh oh linus starts a desktop war
[10:58] <Treenaks> \sh: where?
[10:58] <\sh> http://lists.osdl.org/pipermail/desktop_architects/2005-December/000390.html
[11:02] <Treenaks> *sigh*
[11:24] <sivang> \sh: what can you say to that?
[11:24] <sivang> :-/
[11:24] <\sh> uhm?
[11:24] <\sh> what shoud I say to that
[11:25] <ajmitch> sivang: \sh is a kde lover, remember ;)
[11:25] <\sh> ajmitch: well...but I don't agree with linus
[11:26] <\sh> but the comment in this mail, it's from a man who invented make config
[11:26] <ajmitch> heh
[11:28] <\sh> but to be honest...we should have something like "beginners, semi-pros, experts, cracks" in our desktop settings...so the default is "beginner" and the others can directly go to "cracks"
[11:53] <sid5400> !list
[11:53] <Ubugtu> Admin, Bugzilla, Channel, Config, DCC, Fortune, Misc, Owner, and User
[11:56] <\sh> hmmm..I wonder..every singe time jamesh is posting one article, planet catch my blog and goes crazy
[11:57] <siretart> 
[11:57] <siretart> uu
[12:13] <minghua> good morning
[01:10] <Tonio_> hi all
[01:22] <mikhail^> could anyone recommend a site/document regarding how to make library packages?
[01:23] <mikhail^> i tried making a libvmime package, and unfortunately the .so's and .a's aren't part of the .deb it built...
[01:24] <azeem> http://www.netfort.gr.jp/~dancer/column/libpkg-guide/libpkg-guide.html
[01:25] <mikhail^> azeem, thanks!
[01:25] <mikhail^> but I've read this, and it doesn't really say much about which files to change, and what to do...
[01:26] <azeem> do those files get installed properly to $(DESTDIR)/usr/lib?
[01:27] <azeem> by the upstream Makefile, I mean
[01:28] <mikhail^> i should check... but if it means anything, the sources use a configure script to define these things...
[01:29] <azeem> that's good, but the Makefiles need actually use them as well
[01:29] <azeem> +to
[01:30] <mikhail^> ah...
[01:30] <mikhail^> is there a way to tell the cofigure script that the DEST_DIR="/usr" using the files in debian/ ?
[01:31] <azeem> no, configure should not be concerned with DESTDIR
[01:31] <azeem> DESTDIR should  just be an override to the Makefile's install target
[01:32] <mikhail^> okay... but isn't there a way to tell configure that the destination directory of the makefiles generated should be "/usr" ?
[01:32] <mikhail^> something like --prefix or something like that?
[01:32] <azeem> yes
[01:32] <azeem> --prefix=/usr
[01:33] <mikhail^> so is there a way to tell the configure script that that should be the case?
[01:33] <mikhail^> using the files perhaps in debian/ ?
[01:33] <azeem> which files in debian/?
[01:34] <mikhail^> beats me...
[01:36] <mikhail^> how do i include the .so's and .a's in the .deb ? debuild doesn't do it...
[01:36] <azeem> debuild just calles debian/rules
[01:36] <azeem> so you need to make sure your debian/rules includes them
[01:36] <mikhail^> azeem, so how do i do that?
[01:36] <azeem> how many binary packages do you build?
[01:37] <mikhail^> 2, one for the lib and another for the -dev
[01:37] <azeem> ok.  And where are the files installed for staging?
[01:37] <azeem> debian/tmp/ ?
[01:37] <mikhail^> yup
[01:38] <mikhail^> I see the files there, but not in the .deb it builds...
[01:38] <azeem> yes
[01:38] <azeem> because the .debs get built from debian/libfoo/
[01:38] <azeem> and debian/libfoo-dev
[01:38] <azeem> so you need to make sure the appropriate files get moved to those dirs
[01:38] <mikhail^> so how should it get there?
[01:38] <azeem> which is usually done by dh_install
[01:39] <azeem> you can control which files end up in which package by having debian/libfoo.install and debian/libfoo-dev.install files
[01:39] <azeem> which tell dh_install what to do
[01:39] <azeem> best to check out a few other library (or even regular) packages, to see how they do it
[01:40] <mikhail^> oh, okay...
[01:40] <mikhail^> thanks. :)
[01:40] <mikhail^> that sure makes sense. :)
[01:40] <azeem> you're welcome
[01:40] <mikhail^> should get running now.
[01:40] <mikhail^> thanks again. :)
[02:27] <zakame> evening all :D
[02:34] <thierry> thanks!
[02:35] <thierry> I'm searching a litlle and easy app to package, (first package)
[02:35] <Kyral> morning all
[02:36] <Kyral> thierry: I'd take one that its already packaged, try to do it, then compare it to the one that is already done
[02:36] <zakame> evening Kyral :D
[02:45] <zakame> YAY! nip2 built fine! \o/
[02:45] <thierry> Kyral : good idea...
[02:50] <thierry> Kyral : don't wan't to stop you doing important stuff, but you could you take a look at malone bug 5288
[02:50] <Ubugtu> Malone bug #5288: orbit (Ubuntu) - [PATCH]  adding a .desktop file to space-orbit In: space-orbit (Ubuntu), Severity: Normal, Assigned to: Motu Games Team, Status: New https://launchpad.net/bugs/5288
[03:08] <Kyral> why look at it lol
[03:12] <tseng> lathiat: bong
[03:14] <lathiat> tseng: bing?
[03:14] <tseng> lathiat: http://www.hezmatt.org/~mpalmer/planet_ror/ < planet rails unbroken
[03:15] <lathiat> cool
[03:15] <lathiat> what was broken about it?
[03:15] <tseng> planetrubyonrails.org is totally crack
[03:16] <tseng> its not really PLanet
[04:02] <zakame> hi minghua
[04:07] <minghua> hello zakame
[04:27] <Pupeno> Hello.
[04:27] <Pupeno> I am in need of updated packages for Haskell, I am planning to backport those on Dapper which are updated and/or update them as necesary. Should I use my own separate repository ? Is there any interest in having this on breezy-backports ?
[04:30] <Pupeno> Kyral: I am planning to do the work myself (not just request it).
[04:31] <Kyral> Pupeno: you can build it then tell JDong that its clean, then he MIGHT put it in Breezy-Backports
[04:48] <jdong_> so let's say I wanted to become MOTU.... what/where would I need to sign up? ;-)
[04:49] <jdong_> hmm, lp it looks like
[04:50] <zakame> huh? I thought you just work like a MOTU: grab a merge, work on that, post a debdiff, and ping a MOTU... ;)
[04:50] <zakame> yeah, lp's ubuntu-dev
[04:50] <jdong_> zakame: I'd like to apply for official MOTU privs, as it seems like Mez is no longer active
[04:50] <jdong_> (and to make ogra happy)
[04:51] <jdong_> so join the team and show up to today's TB?
[04:51] <zakame> ooh!
[04:51] <zakame> yeah ubuntu-dev is the way to go :D
[04:51] <jdong_> alright, cool
[04:51] <jdong_> will be back
[04:51] <zakame> yes, with all the standard(?) stuff, like updating your wiki page, pulling in you fan club :)
[04:52] <jdong_> do you think I'll need a fan club?
[04:52] <jdong_> or would the usual people who show up know me already?
[04:52] <zakame> hehe they would already know :)
[04:53] <jdong_> boy it's been months since I've touched it
[05:05] <siretart> jdong_: you don't need to be a MOTU to do motu work
[05:05] <jdong_> siretart: then would you recommend me to become MOTU?
[05:05] <siretart> jdong_: just look for your favorite area to work on, work with the respective MOTUs. get packages uploaded, then apply to the tb, and the motu you worked with will advocate you
[05:06] <siretart> jdong_: what area would you be interested in?
[05:06] <zakame> indeed, that's what I was trying to point out :)
[05:06] <siretart> we have a lot of MOTU Teams!
[05:06] <jdong_> patching whatever Backports needs to get done
[05:06] <jdong_> basically filling in for Mez's roles
[05:06] <jdong_> this morning Ogra was complaning about how mez never shows up anymore
[05:08] <siretart> jdong_: he was yesterday here, he did sound that well, right
[05:08] <siretart> jdong_: well, atm we still have an awful lot of merges to do, there are many easy ones to get started, I think
[05:09] <zakame> wow we're almost back down to 100 :)
[05:12] <siretart> w00t! :)
[05:13] <lucas> if a motu has some time, I have 4 merges and a bug to review
[05:13] <lucas> (actually 3 syncs, 1 merge, 1 bug fix)
[05:14] <zakame> gn8 all! (actuall good morning ;) :D
[05:15] <zakame> (I've just pbuilded meld, but am unsure if a sync is ok, deal-tomorrow)
[05:15] <siretart> lucas: you are unfortunatly perfectly right :(, but we are working it
[05:15] <zakame> Now am sure :)
[05:17] <zakame> gn8 really! :D
[05:58] <JohnnyMast> any one interested at looking to my revu contrib ?
[06:01] <iceman> hello everybody
[06:01] <JohnnyMast> hi iceman
[06:01] <iceman> I'd like to report a bug in the "mail-notification" package
[06:01] <iceman> which is in universe
[06:01] <JohnnyMast> you can do that here
[06:01] <iceman> but the backage doesn't seem to be in malone
[06:01] <JohnnyMast> on laucnhpad
[06:02] <JohnnyMast> no thats current
[06:02] <JohnnyMast> let me link you to the report page
[06:02] <iceman> ok, thanks
[06:02] <JohnnyMast> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+filebug
[06:02] <iceman> I know this page
[06:03] <JohnnyMast> there you can report bugs
[06:03] <iceman> but I don't think I have the permissions to add a package in malone
[06:03] <iceman> that's my problem
[06:03] <iceman> here
[06:03] <JohnnyMast> an other location is bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[06:03] <JohnnyMast> you dont have to add packages
[06:03] <Cassidy> it's a universe bug. There isn't bugzilla entry for it
[06:04] <JohnnyMast> then report it to malone
[06:04] <iceman> that's what I'm trying to do
[06:04] <JohnnyMast> and that gives an error ?
[06:04] <iceman> lol I'm telling you I can't report it in malone because that package doesn't appear in it
[06:04] <minghua> iceman: it's okay to report a bug without package name
[06:05] <minghua> iceman: if it doesn't exist in malone, that is
[06:05] <iceman> ha ok
[06:06] <iceman> in fact, when my "search for products" tells me the product isn't registered in the launchpad, it tells me I can register it myself
[06:06] <iceman> but I don't really understand how to do it
[06:06] <iceman> that would be the proper way, I think
[06:07] <iceman> first register the package, then report the bug
[06:07] <JohnnyMast> yes i think your right
[06:08] <Cassidy> the product doesn't need to be associated with ubuntu ?
[06:08] <iceman> but for example the first thing I'm asked before the name of the package itself is "Project"
[06:08] <iceman> and I don't know what I'm supposed to answer there
[06:08] <iceman> "Ubuntu" ?
[06:08] <iceman> I can't even choose is when clicking on the link on the right of the textbox
[06:09] <iceman> is^it
[06:10] <iceman> so, does anyone know?
[06:12] <JohnnyMast> yes enter ubuntu
[06:12] <iceman> ok, I will try that
[06:21] <iceman> it worked, thanks everybody
[06:21] <iceman> :-)
[06:28] <JohnnyMast> no problemo
[06:29] <LaserJock_> that interesting
[06:30] <JohnnyMast> what is LaserJock_  ?
[06:31] <LaserJock_> JohnnyMast: sorry, I need to stop commenting on things that happened hours ago :(
[06:31] <JohnnyMast> hehe well maybe you should but i wasnt there
[06:31] <LaserJock_> JohnnyMast: I keep scrolling up to see what has happend while I'm gone and keep thinking it's the current conversation
[06:32] <JohnnyMast> hahaha
[06:32] <JohnnyMast> that happends to me as well on ocation
[07:01] <Tonio__> hi there
[07:03] <JohnnyMast> hi
[07:36] <mbreit> good evening
[07:39] <JohnnyMast> hi mbreit
[08:02] <JohnnyMast> some reviewers alive ?
[08:02] <herve> hello
[08:02] <JohnnyMast> hey herve
[08:03] <Hieronymus> Anyone here knows cdbs? Or should I ask in -school?
[08:03] <JohnnyMast> in school they will point you to irc logs
[08:04] <JohnnyMast> pick the link in the topic there and lookup the chat log of 10december and read the *-school log
[08:04] <JohnnyMast> you will find some intesting lines there
[08:04] <mbreit> JohnnyMast: I can review...
[08:05] <JohnnyMast> well you checked out ttb before for a quick view didnt you ?
[08:06] <JohnnyMast> could you review this http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1133 mbreit ?
[08:09] <Hieronymus> JohnnyMast: I have more of a specific question. In https://wiki.duckcorp.org/DebianPackagingTutorial/CDBS it says "Then do a "debian/rules clean" run to (re)generate 'debian/control'." How do I do this?
[08:09] <mbreit> JohnnyMast: that generated nohup.out should not go into the diff.gz...
[08:10] <JohnnyMast> mbreit i know i wrote that in the comment
[08:10] <JohnnyMast> Hieronymus i never used cdbs
[08:11] <mbreit> JohnnyMast: and where is the ttb-0.9.4/build/scripts-2.4/ttb file from? it's also in the diff.gz... did you download that from the homepage or is that generated as well?
[08:12] <JohnnyMast> its from the orgional package (downloaded from the site)
[08:13] <JohnnyMast> hmm you are right now i see
[08:13] <JohnnyMast> hehe
[08:14] <JohnnyMast> let me see
[08:14] <mbreit> JohnnyMast: aways look at your diff.gz if there are only your changes in it (and it's always good if there are only changes in the debian/ directory)
[08:15] <mbreit> but otherwise it looks good, very clean...
[08:15] <JohnnyMast> i like to hear that :)
[08:15] <JohnnyMast> let me fix the things
[08:15] <JohnnyMast> mbreit can you build as well on revu ?
[08:17] <mbreit> JohnnyMast: I could do it... that means that I have the access to revu... but i don't know how to do it "the revu way"...
[08:17] <JohnnyMast> ok
[08:17] <mbreit> and I prefer building packages on my own system, because that's amd64
[08:17] <JohnnyMast> well im doing debuild on the updated package
[08:18] <abelcheung> Hi all, is there any way to 'revert' upload for package? Or have quick remedy for a bad and mistaken upload of package?
[08:18] <lucas> abelcheung: how can you upload a package with dpkg-buildpackage ?
[08:18] <lfittl> mbreit: Do you have some time to review http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1148?
[08:18] <JohnnyMast> yeah upload a new version if the code was wrong. it picks the newest version of the package on the revu site
[08:19] <lucas> (was about to mail you to ask)
[08:19] <abelcheung> lucas: I can't really be sure how I did that, basically I have not done any configuration to achieve it
[08:19] <mbreit> lucas: try "dput"
[08:19] <JohnnyMast> dput *.changes
[08:19] <mbreit> lfittl: not much time...
[08:19] <abelcheung> just a simple dpkg-buildpackage and it is uploaded
[08:20] <lucas> mbreit: *with dpkg-buildpackage*
[08:20] <lucas> (see the mail from abel on ubuntu-motu
[08:20] <JohnnyMast> yes brt that was with -s -sa -k
[08:20] <lfittl> mbreit: ok no problem, I will ask some other person later ;)
[08:20] <JohnnyMast> created a .changes file
[08:21] <lucas> abelcheung: it was a revu upload ?
[08:21] <abelcheung> FYI, the affected package is scim-modules. minghua, are you here?
[08:21] <abelcheung> lucas: how to determine if it's revu upload or not? I'm quite new in ubuntu...
[08:22] <lucas> ok, I see :)
[08:22] <lucas> abelcheung: how did you find out it was uploaded ?
[08:22] <ajmitch> morning all
[08:22] <JohnnyMast> morning ajmitch
[08:22] <lucas> morning ajmitch
[08:23] <abelcheung> well, there was some console message after dpkg-buildpackage finished, and it told me so. After a while, apt-get update shows it is available :-(
[08:24] <lucas> abelcheung: seems very strange. your package was probably not uploaded, and you are safe.
[08:24] <ajmitch> abelcheung: uploaded to where? you have to use dput to upload
[08:24] <abelcheung> lucas: hope so. I'll double check if archive.ubuntu.com or other mirrors has those packages or not.
[08:24] <ajmitch> abelcheung: unless you're in the keyring you can't accidentally upload
[08:25] <lucas> abelcheung: it would be helpful if you could copy/paste those console messages
[08:25] <abelcheung> lucas: oh, they are long gone.
[08:25] <ajmitch> the system would be broken if it allowed random people to upload to the archive
[08:25] <abelcheung> ajmitch: well, can it be that, if I didn't even change the maintainer name?
[08:26] <ajmitch> abelcheung: no
[08:26] <ajmitch> otherwise anyone could fake a maintainer name & upload
[08:26] <abelcheung> ajmitch: hm yes, it makes sense
[08:27] <abelcheung> ........ it is really available on archive.ubuntu.com
[08:27] <lfittl> ajmitch: have some time to review http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1148 in the morning?
[08:30] <mbreit> lfittl: your package looks good... even if i don't like if changes are directly in the diff.gz, but that's my opinion and others think different...
[08:30] <lfittl> mbreit: changes directly in the diff.gz, where?
[08:30] <abelcheung> Everybody, sorry for the fake noise. It is indeed uploaded, but not by me. Thanks for the patience :-)
[08:31] <mbreit> lfittl: sorry... i was wrong...
[08:31] <lfittl> mbreit: no problem ;)
[08:31] <JohnnyMast> mbreit i uploaded a new version
[08:31] <JohnnyMast> schould be there in 5 min
[08:32] <ajmitch> no, I don't have reviewing time today
[08:32] <lfittl> k
[08:33] <ajmitch> abelcheung: what package do you say it is?
[08:35] <abelcheung> ajmitch: it is scim-tables, upstream debian developer uploaded it, I suppose. But anyway, it was broken for several days without a fix, that's why I want to recompile it
[08:36] <ajmitch> last I see is 0.5.4-1 synced from debian a month ago
[08:37] <abelcheung> ajmitch: I didn't find it out before viewing timestamp in browser directly. Days ago it was removed from my system entirely because of broken dependency.
[08:37] <abelcheung> ajmitch: bye
[08:41] <mbreit> lfittl: pbuilder is updated now, building libcafix (md5sum matches btw, which is very good *g*)
[08:42] <lfittl> mbreit :)
[08:42] <minghua> abelcheung: yes I am here
[08:43] <mbreit> lfittl: there have been packages on revu where the md5sum of the .orig.tar.gz did not match the original tarball from the project's homepage
[08:43] <lfittl> mbreit: nobody is perfect ;)
[08:44] <slomo_> mbreit: and in some very rare cases it's needed
[08:44] <minghua> abelcheung: as for the scim-tables issue, a new debian upload for 0.5.5-1 is going to happen soon, and once dapper syncs that, it's going to be installable
[08:44] <mbreit> slomo_: i know... when upstream releases only tar.bz2 or they put a debian-directory in it...
[08:44] <abelcheung> minghua: there is no problem now, I've been hyper for a while
[08:45] <slomo_> mbreit: or millions of other reasons, yes ;) but in general it's bad, yes :)
[08:46] <abelcheung> minghua: thanks for info
[08:49] <mbreit> lfittl: you have your vote
[08:50] <lfittl> mbreit: thanks for reviewing :)
[08:50] <JohnnyMast> hmm i have a problem, dput says the dsc file already exists on the revu server
[08:51] <mbreit> JohnnyMast: remove the .uploaded or whatever from your working directory
[08:51] <JohnnyMast> ok
[08:51] <mbreit> .upload
[08:52] <lfittl> JohnnyMast: or call dput with -f option
[08:52] <JohnnyMast> tryed that already
[08:53] <JohnnyMast> hmm
[08:54] <JohnnyMast> ile bet it only work if i change it to ubuntu2
[08:55] <mbreit> JohnnyMast: it should work without renaming it
[08:55] <JohnnyMast> ile pastebin my session
[08:56] <mbreit> i know that it worked some time ago...
[08:56] <JohnnyMast> http://pastebin.com/462699 there you go
[08:57] <herve> bye
[08:58] <mbreit> JohnnyMast: hmm... okay... that's another problem than i've thought
[08:59] <JohnnyMast> do you know the problem ?
[09:00] <mbreit> JohnnyMast: i've just logged in to revu to have a look
[09:00] <JohnnyMast> ok
[09:01] <mbreit> okay, I have solved the problem (I think), so try again
[09:02] <JohnnyMast> ok
[09:02] <JohnnyMast> let me try if its fixed
[09:02] <JohnnyMast> w00t :)
[09:03] <JohnnyMast> worked
[09:03] <JohnnyMast> was it my side that did something wrong ?
[09:03] <mbreit> your files were still lying in the incoming-directory of the ftp-server... i have no idea why
[09:05] <mbreit> have you interrupted the last upload?
[09:05] <mbreit> thanks ;)
[09:05] <JohnnyMast> no i didnt
[09:05] <mbreit> well, it works ;)
[09:06] <mbreit> and revu deleted your files this time ;)
[09:06] <mbreit> hh... well... there went something else wrong...
[09:07] <mbreit> you don't have an orig.tar.gz and a .diff.gz... but one native package...
[09:07] <JohnnyMast> hmmm
[09:07] <mbreit> make sure that the .orig.tar.gz is present when you build the source package
[09:08] <JohnnyMast> then i have to debuild ; pkg-buildpackage -S -sa -k ...
[09:12] <JohnnyMast> what tha
[09:14] <derekS> hey, what is this "buddy" program?
[09:14] <derekS> i can't really find any info on it
[09:15] <JohnnyMast> mbreit same error again
[09:18] <cyberix> Fuddl: You did the quake3-data package which can be found at http://revu.tauware.de/ ?
[09:19] <lfittl> dholbach: ping
[09:19] <Fuddl> cyberix: as long as nobody uploaded another quake3 package, it was me
[09:20] <cyberix> Fuddl: It doesn't work with Loki Quake 3
[09:20] <ajmitch> JohnnyMast: you applied for MOTU already?
[09:20] <cyberix> Fuddl: I think this is because it has a slightly different directory structure.
[09:20] <Fuddl> cyberix: iiiiihk! what's "loki quake3" btw?
[09:20] <mbreit> JohnnyMast: the missing .orig.tar.gz error?
[09:20] <Fuddl> cyberix: a special cd (set)?
[09:20] <cyberix> Fuddl: Proprietary Linux Quake3
[09:20] <JohnnyMast> mbreit no i didnt upload
[09:21] <mbreit> so what error do you mean?
[09:21] <JohnnyMast> ajmitch no i didnt
[09:21] <JohnnyMast> mbreit the upload error
[09:21] <ajmitch> JohnnyMast: your name is on the members list
[09:21] <ajmitch> as proposed
[09:21] <cyberix> Fuddl: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loki_Software
[09:21] <mbreit> JohnnyMast: have you deleted the .upload file?
[09:21] <Fuddl> cyberix: ah, you already said it "another dir structure". do you own such a cd?
[09:21] <ajmitch> s/members/ubuntu-dev/
[09:22] <JohnnyMast> ooh yes i did thats correct
[09:22] <cyberix> Fuddl: I do, but I don't have it at hand. I do have an image. Which may or may not be exactly the same. I think it is. But I'd better check back with the cd
[09:22] <ajmitch> oh well you can't get approved, not being a member :)
[09:22] <mbreit> JohnnyMast: this time the upload directory is empty, so it's not the same bug
[09:23] <cyberix> Fuddl: It will take me few weeks to get the cd physically.
[09:23] <cyberix> Fuddl: Then I could do a "find" at the root of the cd and send you the output
[09:23] <cyberix> Fuddl: Is that ok?
[09:24] <JohnnyMast> ok mbreit, btw the last pload  fixed it all i think.. i think the package is there now (in quality) can you have a reviewing eye on it ?
[09:24] <mbreit> ok
[09:24] <Fuddl> cyberix: it should be enough if you can tell me the path to pak0.pk3. if that isn't "directly" on the cd, some infos about "it's in foobar.tar.gz" would be nice ;)
[09:25] <mbreit> JohnnyMast: ttb-0.9.4/build/scripts-2.4/ttb is still part of the diff.gz
[09:25] <JohnnyMast> yes thats what dkg-buildpkg creates
[09:25] <cyberix> Fuddl: Ok. I'll get back to you by irc or email, as soon as I've retrieved the cd.
[09:25] <JohnnyMast> i think
[09:26] <JohnnyMast> let me try to delete it from the source
[09:27] <JohnnyMast> mbreit, the source is updated again
[09:27] <JohnnyMast> no more ttb-1.9.4/build
[09:27] <JohnnyMast> *0.9.4
[09:30] <mbreit> good... just waiting for revu to update the page
[09:30] <mbreit> looks much better...
[09:30] <JohnnyMast> thats now
[09:31] <mbreit> why are you changing that PKG-INFO file?
[09:31] <JohnnyMast> i didnt touch it
[09:31] <mbreit> and i don't think that changing LICENSE is a good idea... but i don't know what the others are saying about that ;)
[09:34] <JohnnyMast> its still gpl
[09:34] <Fuddl> cyberix: okidoki! write an email, please, when you found out
[09:34] <JohnnyMast> ooh i think i know what you mean
[09:34] <JohnnyMast> i changed the address
[09:34] <mbreit> JohnnyMast: but you should not change a file outside of debian/ without a good reason... because that makes maintaining that package more difficult
[09:35] <sivang> \sh: are there any more merges to be done? (I thought we were stopping for while)
[09:35] <JohnnyMast> the reason was a warning in litnium
[09:35] <Hieronymus> JohnnyMast: I don't think you should change the copyright things in any way, and copy them verbatim into debian/copyright
[09:35] <JohnnyMast> &lintian
[09:35] <\sh> sivang: there are...and I'm sick...so I don't want to disturb my sickness :)
[09:36] <JohnnyMast> there was a repport of an W line
[09:36] <JohnnyMast> the addr of the foundation was wrong
[09:37] <JohnnyMast> mbreit do you want me to put back the orig ttb-0.9.4/LICENSE ?
[09:38] <mbreit> JohnnyMast: wait... i'll try that... i want to see that lintian-warning ;)
[09:39] <JohnnyMast> ok
[09:39] <JohnnyMast> but i did that before the very first upload
[09:39] <sivang> \sh: ok, let me take one from you you think is easy to start with, let's see what I can do after hard day at work :)
[09:39] <JohnnyMast> litnian -i some.deb
[09:40] <\sh> sivang: i can't tell..i'm taking one or 10 packages and work on them...I don't care if it's hard or not :)
[09:40] <sivang> haha
[09:41] <sivang> ok, go back to bed, drink herbal tea etc..
[09:44] <mbreit> JohnnyMast: lintian didn't say anything about the license-file... and i have restored the original file
[09:45] <JohnnyMast> it reported to me that the address of the foundation was changed and it gave me the address as it is changed to now
[09:46] <mbreit> funny... it does not on my system (latest dapper)
[09:46] <JohnnyMast> mbreit what do you want me to do now ?
[09:46] <JohnnyMast> im on dapper as well btw
[09:46] <mbreit> i don't know... i would ask other motus and here what they say...
[09:47] <JohnnyMast> mbreit dont bother ile just keep the orig file
[09:47] <mbreit> but anyways: you could restore the PKG-INFO file... dpkg-buildpackage -S does not change it so it does not have to be in the diff
[09:48] <JohnnyMast> what where the changes ?
[09:48] <JohnnyMast> hmm let me see
[09:48] <mbreit> Platform: UNKNOWN has been changed to Platform: any
[09:49] <JohnnyMast> own yeah
[09:49] <JohnnyMast> let me restore that
[09:50] <JohnnyMast> and now im putting back the org LICENSE fill as well
[09:50] <JohnnyMast> then its fixed right ?
[09:50] <mbreit> lol... wtf does pbuilder install libgcj-common as a build-dependency for that? ;)
[09:50] <Hieronymus> JohnnyMast: ttb is python, right? Wouldn't that be all?
[09:50] <JohnnyMast> yes
[09:51] <mbreit> as i said, i would ask some other motus, i can not tell you what's the right way with that LICENSE file
[09:51] <JohnnyMast> Hieronymus, thats why i canged it to any
[09:51] <JohnnyMast> *changed
[09:51] <Hieronymus> but any is different
[09:52] <JohnnyMast> how is "any" in this option diffrent then "all"
[09:52] <lifeless> morning all
[09:52] <lifeless> ajmitch/azeem so I need a hand with opensync
[09:52] <ajmitch> lifeless: sure..
[09:52] <mbreit> it's building one package for all platforms vs. one package for each plattform
[09:52] <lifeless> I need to exclude the modules from the shilb output
[09:52] <Hieronymus> JohnnyMast: can't you take python code from platform to platform without recompiling? Or do I need to learn more about Python?
[09:53] <mbreit> JohnnyMast: but there are some issues with that package...
[09:53] <Hieronymus> http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/ch-dreq.en.html#s-control
[09:53] <lifeless> ajmitch: this is what it creates:
[09:53] <lifeless> cat libopensync0/DEBIAN/shlibs
[09:53] <lifeless> libopensync-xml 0 libopensync0
[09:53] <lifeless> libopensync 0 libopensync0
[09:53] <lifeless> libosengine 0 libopensync0
[09:53] <lifeless> xml evolution libopensync0
[09:53] <lifeless> xml kde libopensync0
[09:53] <azeem>        -Xitem, --exclude=item
[09:53] <azeem>            Exclude files that contain "item" anywhere in their filename or directory from being treated as shared
[09:53] <lifeless> xml vcal libopensync0
[09:53] <ajmitch> let me just bzr pull to get the latest
[09:53] <lifeless> xml vcard libopensync0
[09:53] <azeem>            libraries.
[09:53] <lifeless> xml vnote libopensync0
[09:53] <Hieronymus> If your package is architecture independent (for example, a shell or Perl script, or a document), change this to "all", and read later in `rules' file, Section 4.4 about using the `binary-indep' rule instead of `binary-arch' for building the package.
[09:53] <ajmitch> *cough*
[09:53] <mbreit> JohnnyMast: after building with pbulder the .deb has only 2 files in it: /usr/share/doc/ttb/copyright and /usr/share/doc/ttb/changelog.Debian.gz
[09:54] <azeem> lifeless: are they all under one dir? then we can just pass -Xfoo to dh_makeshlibs I guess
[09:54] <lifeless> azeem: So - I *think* its only to exclude those 5 lines. but I'm not sure - I don't package libraries often,
[09:54] <mbreit> JohnnyMast: dh_python
[09:54] <mbreit> Can't stat debian/ttb: No such file or directory
[09:54] <mbreit>  at /usr/bin/dh_python line 169
[09:54] <JohnnyMast> hu ? i dont get that
[09:54] <JohnnyMast> let me fire mine
[09:54] <lifeless> azeem: yes, they are all 'formats'
[09:55] <lifeless>  ls libopensync0/usr/lib/opensync/formats/
[09:55] <lifeless> contact.so  data.so  event.so  file.so  note.so  todo.so  xml-evolution.so  xml-kde.so  xml-vcal.so  xml-vcard.so  xml-vnote.so
[09:55] <mbreit> JohnnyMast: and of course change that any to all ;)
[09:55] <JohnnyMast> ok
[09:55] <azeem> -Xformats might do the trick
[09:55] <mbreit> but as Hieronymus said, be carefull with the targets in debian/rules
[09:56] <mbreit> (and always try building in pbuilder and look at the resulting .deb before uploading to revu)
[09:58] <JohnnyMast> mbreit yes your right i see only the docs as well
[09:59] <JohnnyMast> but thats after i removed the build dir
[09:59] <JohnnyMast> no not
[09:59] <ajmitch> lifeless: you're working off opensync-debian or upstream?
[09:59] <JohnnyMast> else work it out
[10:00] <lifeless> ajmitch: opensync-debian is the branch I build in
[10:00] <lifeless> upstream is the upstream tarball
[10:00] <ajmitch> right, I just saw that it needed autogen.sh to be run
[10:01] <ajmitch> bad upstream practices for a released tarball :)
[10:01] <cyberix> Fuddl: You might anyway want to add a fallback feature to specify the location(s) of the needed file(s) by hand.
[10:01] <lifeless> couldn't find the tarball, they recommended downloading from svn branch foo
[10:01] <lifeless> on the website
[10:01] <lifeless> so I did
[10:01] <ajmitch> ok
[10:01] <mbreit> JohnnyMast: i would like to go now, but you can contact me via jabber if you have questions or a new version on revu..
[10:02] <lifeless> right -X formats seems to have worked
[10:02] <JohnnyMast> whats ur jabber ?
[10:02] <ajmitch> great
[10:02] <mbreit> mo42@jabber.ccc.de
[10:03] <JohnnyMast> thanks
[10:03] <mbreit> okay, then good night guys!
[10:04] <lifeless> pushed
[10:04] <JohnnyMast> good night mbreit, thanks for your help
[10:04] <lifeless> no lintian errrors, but still got some warts:
[10:04] <mbreit> no problem
[10:05] <ajmitch> lifeless: what revno?
[10:05] <lifeless> 13
[10:05] <ajmitch> hm
[10:05] <lifeless> (of the debian dir ;)
[10:05] <ajmitch> maybe it's caching somewhere here, I still don't see the update (at 12 here)
[10:07] <lifeless> probably
[10:07] <lifeless> give it a try again in a few
[10:10] <ajmitch> looks like I have to try & revive my bzr.dev tree anyway :)
[10:42] <siretart> dholbach: around?
[10:43] <siretart> dholbach: could you please have a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUMedia/MeetingInvitation and tell slomo and me if you are d'accord?
[10:43] <siretart> escp. with the time and spelling
[10:43] <dholbach> acheive -> achieve
[10:44] <siretart> we'd also like to have pitti there, because of ffmpeg.
[10:45] <dholbach> told the guys in -desktop
[10:46] <dholbach> we should have example-content and test-plans on there too
[10:46] <dholbach> and maybe organisational stuff, ie how to drive the team...
[10:46] <siretart> okay
[10:48] <dholbach> siretart: i asked jdub if he wants to attend too
[10:49] <crimsun> I'll try to attend; I have another meeting scheduled an hour before that
[10:49] <lifeless> is there a control file to tell dpkg-source to ignore files ?
[10:49] <lifeless> rather than passing -i ?
[10:50] <azeem> I don't think so
[10:50] <azeem> lifeless: those control files are all used by debhelper, dpkg-* is much more barebone
[10:51] <azeem> lifeless: you can just remove them in the clean target, perhaps?
[10:51] <ajmitch> if you use debuild, you can configure it to pass -i every time
[10:52] <lifeless> heh
[10:52] <ajmitch> I imagine you want to ignore .bzr each time?
[10:52] <lifeless> I would like to have the package tell dpkg-source to ignore .bzr|.bzrignore
[10:52] <lifeless> when you build it
[10:53] <lifeless> rather than you having to figure it out yourself :)
[10:53] <ajmitch> well if you have the package from debian, it won't have .bzr
[10:53] <ajmitch> so it's only those lucky people who grab your branch :)
[10:53] <lifeless> ajmitch: which is everyone uploading, we hope
[10:53] <ajmitch> yep
[10:58] <lifeless> ok, remaining lintian foo
[10:58] <lifeless> rpath defintions :[
[10:58] <lifeless> python2.4-opensync: binary-or-shlib-defines-rpath ./usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/_opensync.so.0.0.0 /usr/lib
[10:58] <lifeless> W: opensyncutils: binary-or-shlib-defines-rpath ./usr/bin/osyncdump /usr/lib
[10:58] <lifeless> ...
[10:58] <lifeless> W: libopensync0: binary-or-shlib-defines-rpath ./usr/lib/libosengine.so.0.0.0 /usr/lib
[11:07] <lifeless> how serious are those. its libtool choosing to rpath
[11:09] <ajmitch> not too serious afaik
[11:09] <ajmitch> http://lintian.debian.org/reports/Tbinary-or-shlib-defines-rpath.html shows how many others have it
[11:09] <lifeless> yes
[11:09] <lifeless> a fair number
[11:10] <lifeless> but there must be many more libtooled library using packages than that
[11:10] <azeem> I'm trying to pull the source finally
[11:10] <azeem> but I never used bzr before and it seems to either hang or take ages
[11:11] <lifeless> azeem: its still not optimised for network, so it will take ages
[11:11] <lifeless> azeem: once you have it updates are much faster
[11:11] <azeem> ok
[11:11] <lifeless> azeem: you can also use one branch as the basis for grabbing another
[11:11] <azeem> I'm checking out the svn repo in the meantime
[11:12] <lifeless> azeem: of opensync ?
[11:12] <lifeless> azeem: or of the modules ?
[11:13] <azeem> opensync for now
[11:13] <lifeless> azeem: ok. note that that the 0.18 svn trunk is in my upstream branch
[11:13] <lifeless> erm, 0.18 tag :)
[11:16] <jdong> why does vlc depend on such a recent version of libflac-dev?
[11:16] <siretart> dholbach: cool!
[11:17] <ajmitch> siretart: ?
[11:17] <siretart> ajmitch: the MOTUMedia meeting on thursday, dholbach asked jdub
[11:17] <siretart> to attend
[11:17] <dholbach> siretart: he didnt answer yet
[11:17] <siretart> ok
[11:18] <ajmitch> siretart: ah ok
[11:18] <ajmitch> siretart: another meeting I never heard about ;)
[11:18] <jdong> for that matter, what is the typical reason for such specific versions in build-deps?
[11:18] <siretart> ajmitch:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUMedia/MeetingInvitation
[11:19] <ajmitch> siretart: too early
[11:19] <crimsun> jdong: transitions and soname changes.
[11:19] <jdong> crimsun: ah, ok
[11:19] <\sh> siretart: cool :)
[11:20] <siretart> I think slomo will send the email out soon.
[11:20] <greenpenguin13> topic on #ubuntu-motu-school still says about the lesson a while back...
[11:20] <ajmitch> yes, because we've been too lazy/busy to write up the lesson & to change the topic :)
[11:20] <\sh> no anymore
[11:20] <siretart> huhu \sh
[11:21] <\sh> siretart: evening
[11:21] <greenpenguin13> :-p
[11:21] <\sh> any scheme crack here?
[11:22] <dholbach> didnt we have a motu-weirdo-team for that? :-p
[11:22] <azeem> lifeless: -R $(libdir) is passed to LDFLAGS for a lot of things, I assume that issues the RPATH
[11:22] <\sh> well....the problem is not scheme...the problem is more packaging...
[11:22] <azeem> tools/Makefile.in:osyncdump_LDFLAGS = @PACKAGE_LIBS@ @XML_LIBS@ -R $(libdir) @GCOV_LDFLAGS@
[11:23] <siretart> dholbach: what is the email for contacting the fridge guys?
[11:23] <\sh> if anyone wants...g-wrap from Sid....can be normally synced..but it's not buildable...because of very strange build-deps
[11:23] <\sh> fridge-devel
[11:23] <dholbach> siretart: fridge-devel@lists.ubuntu.com
[11:23] <siretart> ah, ok
[11:23] <siretart> wasn't sure
[11:24] <ogra> oh, why is it -devel ?
[11:25] <lifeless> azeem: yes but:
[11:25] <lifeless> look in configure for 'hardcode_into_libs=yes;
[11:25] <lifeless> erm s/;/'
[11:25] <lifeless> thats libtool fucking around
[11:27] <azeem> hrm
[11:27] <lifeless> note that its hardcoded on for all gnu linux platforms
[11:28] <azeem> I think you get that in a lot of configure scripts
[11:28] <lifeless> yes
[11:28] <lifeless> its a libtool feature
[11:28] <azeem> but when building usual packages, you don't get an rpath
[11:29] <lifeless> checking how to hardcode library paths into programs... immediate
[11:30] <siretart> pu
[11:30] <siretart> email sent
[11:30] <lifeless> I'm not aware of a flag to control that. If its not a big deal, I'd like to ignore it for now
[11:30] <\sh> ajmitch: bah
[11:30] <siretart> gn8 folks
[11:30] <siretart> cu tomorrow!
[11:31] <\sh> 7join #ubuntu-sick-motu
[11:31] <\sh> oops
[11:31] <siretart> \sh: gute besserung!
[11:31] <\sh> siretart: danke
[11:31] <ajmitch> heh
[11:32] <dholbach> \sh: fieber? erkltung? grippe?
[11:32] <\sh> cold, fever, headache, bodypain, muscle pain...everything I need
[11:32] <ajmitch> lifeless: lib packaging guide basically says it's something to request from upstream
[11:33] <ajmitch> http://www.netfort.gr.jp/~dancer/column/libpkg-guide/libpkg-guide.html#rpath
[11:33] <azeem> lifeless: in the libtool script, a comment says that rpath is not hardcoded in if the file is in the system default run-time search path
[11:34] <dholbach> \sh: had the same symptoms today
[11:34] <dholbach> and i start feeling better
[11:35] <\sh> dholbach: I started on saturday...and I thought it's over...but sadly I went yesterday evening to amu
[11:35] <\sh> and this morning...much more worse
[11:35] <azeem> 23:30 [OPN]  -!- Cannot join to channel #opensync (You have joined to too many channels)
[11:35] <azeem> *sigh*
[11:36] <dholbach> \sh: get better soon
[11:36] <\sh> I have to...monday I need my voice :)
[11:37] <ajmitch> azeem: yeah, it's a real pain
[11:37] <lifeless> ogra: 30 odd
[11:37] <ogra> ah, i'm just below that ...
[11:37] <ajmitch> 20 is the limit
[11:37] <ajmitch> iirc
[11:37] <ajmitch> unless they changed it on me
[11:38] <ogra> :)
[11:38] <\sh> dholbach: do u know why gtk2-engines-dev is not there anymore?
[11:38] <ajmitch> but I don't think it's needed
[11:40] <dholbach> \sh: afaik it was a debian decision to not ship it anymore, but not entirely sure
[11:41] <\sh> dholbach: so I can forget to merge all rdepends of gtk2-engines-dev? because gtk2-themes-extras needs it somehow...or is there another way?
[11:41] <\sh> oh forget what I said
[11:41] <dholbach> \sh: done
[11:46] <\sh> grmpf
[11:46] <\sh> I have to get rid of this "0ubuntu1" orig tar gz which size doesn't fit with debians...
[11:46] <ajmitch> oh more evil
[11:47] <ajmitch> there are a few of those
[11:47] <ajmitch> what different files are in them?
[11:48] <\sh> ajmitch: I will find out just now...
[11:49] <\sh> it's an ubuntu first timer...and now in debian..and orig.tar.gz differs
[11:49] <lifeless> gagh
[11:50] <ajmitch> which one repacked the tarball? :)
[11:50] <dholbach> have a nice case here now, somebody used tar --posix, which lintian is not happy about
[11:50] <minghua> ajmitch: do you have time to review my xfonts-wqy debdiff?  or you are not interested in that package anymore?
[11:51] <\sh> ajmitch: problem is...no differences..
[11:51] <\sh> between the orig.tar sources of debian and ubuntu
[11:51] <\sh> well...seb128
[11:51] <ajmitch> minghua: right now? no, I'm going out in about 5 minutes
[11:52] <ajmitch> \sh: timestamps
[11:52] <ajmitch> or something simple
[11:52] <minghua> ajmitch: no not now, any time you feel like?
[11:52] <\sh> ajmitch: how to fix...or I ping seb128 to fix his package :)
[11:52] <ajmitch> minghua: or you could ask someone like \sh, or another MOTU if I'm not available :)
[11:53] <ajmitch> \sh: do you need to sync it?
[11:53] <ajmitch> if not, then just apply any changes manually
[11:53] <\sh> ajmitch: yes...elmo tried...already
[11:53] <ajmitch> which you'll end up doing anyway :)
[11:53] <minghua> ajmitch: okay, I just thought since you reviewed last debdiff... :-)
[11:53] <ajmitch> minghua: I don't have 'ownership' of reviewing stuff :)
[11:54] <minghua> Any MOTU have time to review bug #5568?  it's about a new package from debian, containing chinese fonts
[11:54] <Ubugtu> Malone bug #5568: xfonts-wqy FTBFS due to missing build dependency In: Ubuntu, Severity: Normal, Assigned to: MOTU Reviewers Team, Status: New https://launchpad.net/bugs/5568
[11:55] <crimsun> minghua: I'll look; I have a few minutes before I head out.
[11:55] <minghua> ajmitch: sure, I meant to say you are probably more familiar with it than other MOTUs
[11:55] <minghua> crimsun: thanks!
[11:56] <crimsun> looks fine, it's probably still in NEW
[11:56] <crimsun> do you need me to upload it?
[11:56] <\sh> ajmitch: done...diff -ur <ubuntu debianized source dir> <merge debianized source dir> > diff.patch and patched the sh*t into the ubuntu debianized source tree
[11:56] <minghua> crimsun: yes, if you think it's good please upload
[11:57] <minghua> crimsun: I _think_ nobody uploaded this new version yet
[11:57] <minghua> I don't really know how to check
[11:57] <minghua> ... except lamont's buld logs (which doesn't have this version)
[11:57] <lifeless> bah
[11:58] <lifeless> dbg package still empty, and the placeholder python-opensync is awol
[11:58] <lifeless> they are the only two bugs stopping me uploading
[12:00] <\sh> dholbach: what are you doing?
[12:00] <dholbach> \sh: hm?
[12:00] <\sh> dholbach: where did you get gnome-themes-extras 0.9.x ?
[12:00] <azeem> *blink*
[12:00] <dholbach> \sh: upstream?
[12:00] <\sh> dholbach: but not debian
[12:00] <dholbach> yeah
[12:00] <\sh> dholbach: but thx :) now I can resolv the bug :)
[12:01] <azeem> lifeless: so unless I export PYTHON=foo, it FTBFS here, did you see that?
[12:01] <dholbach> ?!
[12:01] <lifeless> azeem: no.
[12:01] <\sh> dholbach: that was the problem I was just fighting with
[12:01] <lifeless> I am building thusly:
[12:01] <lifeless> debuild -us -uc -i".bzr*"
[12:01] <dholbach> happy to have been of service
[12:01] <lifeless> I've pushed another patch to the debian dir
[12:01] <azeem> lifeless: well, I'm using sbuild
[12:01] <ajmitch> lifeless: it builds nicely in pbuilder?
[12:01] <\sh> dholbach: I just had a look on -changes...
[12:01] <azeem> checking for a Python interpreter with version >= 2.2... configure: error: no suitable Python interpreter found
[12:01] <ajmitch> (or sbuild)
[12:01] <lifeless> ajmitch: I'm just setting up pbuilder
[12:01] <azeem> make: *** [debian/build-stamp]  Error 1
[12:01] <crimsun> minghua: hmm, then you'll have to check if it's sitting in NEW, because duplicating uploads of orig.tar.gz isn't a good idea
[12:02] <crimsun> minghua: I think that's only elmo-facing, though
[12:02] <JohnnyMast> azeem, i have an error like it
[12:02] <JohnnyMast> also with python and python-glade2
[12:02] <JohnnyMast> while its installed
[12:02] <azeem> configure.in has this:
[12:02] <azeem>     AM_PATH_PYTHON(2.2)
[12:02] <azeem> [...] 
[12:02] <azeem>             if test -z "$PYTHON" ; then
[12:02] <azeem>                 AC_MSG_WARN([Python not found] )
[12:02] <ajmitch> ok, back in an hour or so :)
[12:03] <lifeless> azeem: it build-deps on the python2.4-dev
[12:03] <minghua> crimsun: there was build logs for the debian version 0.6.0-1 (http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/x/xfonts-wqy/), would that mean it has been out of NEW already?