[12:00] <kung> gn8
[12:00] <jspsh> but /etc/fstab is insecure
[12:00] <myke> can someone helo me?
[12:00] <myke> can someone helo me?
[12:00] <trappist> use -o credentials to specify a file with username/password combos
[12:00] <myke> im trying to install Gyach and i get this error     http://pastebin.com/461563
[12:00] <jspsh> i have to put password=
[12:00] <Pianomany2k> when installing Ubuntu, what is the "factory set" Root password?
[12:00] <trappist> jspsh: use -o credentials=/some/file
[12:00] <j2daosh> i know that answer
[12:00] <sinclair> so, should i put POP in evolution setup assistant Superbob?
[12:00] <j2daosh> lol
[12:00] <trappist> Pianomany2k: random.  use sudo.
[12:00] <Dr_Willis> Pianomany2k,  you mean the live cd? or the installed version?
[12:01] <Superbob> Pianomany2k, there is none
[12:01] <Pianomany2k> installed version
[12:01] <northie> no root in ubuntu
[12:01] <Dr_Willis> Pianomany2k,  congratulations you just asked FAQ #1 :P
[12:01] <siriusnova> Ubuntu is better then sex
[12:01] <chrisx1> How do i fix this Disabling protocol version 2. Could not load host key
[12:01] <j2daosh> lol
[12:01] <northie> having a root user is a liability ;)
[12:01] <Superbob> sinclair, yes with ssl enabled, gmail actually have a very good page telling you how to set up in the settings section of the web interface
[12:01] <tOta> yep and life is better than mounting/unmounting drives in Linux
[12:01] <Dr_Willis> northie,  heh - dont start up that old argument again. :P
[12:02] <zoqaeski> i've just stuffed up big time
[12:02] <Pianomany2k> Dr_Willis: I'm also trying to figure out how to get my Rockwell modem to work. Autodetect in "Network Configurations" doesn't seem to find it
[12:02] <northie> sorry, Doc. sorry.
[12:02] <intelikey> myke that's telling you that it is already installed ?
[12:02] <stef65> siriusnova: u know what 'ejacultio praecox' means, don't you ???
[12:02] <cafuego> Someone make the virgins stop talking ... ;-)
[12:02] <chrisx1> How do i start openssh
[12:02] <myke> rally
[12:02] <myke> really
[12:02] <j2daosh> lol caf... hey now... i resemble that remark
[12:02] <siriusnova> Ubuntu is awesome because the developers seem to have a relatively sane sense of gui design, compared to Mandrake, SUSE, and Others...
[12:02] <Superbob> tOta, you didnt get any further
[12:02] <Dr_Willis> Pianomany2k,  i aint had a modem in any pc in  years. :P check the Ubuntu WIkis and forums - would be my first stop to get info on it.
[12:02] <techrush> how can i get ubuntu to boot faster ? it seems to take a very long time on the "configuring network cards" part of the boot process
[12:02] <myke> intelikey   wow i feel stupid
[12:02] <j2daosh> chris... ssh user@host
[12:02] <bulio|lap> for ubuntu installl
[12:02] <bulio|lap> erase entire disk: IDE1 master (hda) -8.6GB
[12:03] <bulio|lap> or
[12:03] <bulio|lap> Erase entire disk and use LVM: IDE1 master (hda) -8.6GB
[12:03] <jspsh> trappist> for the  credentials file
[12:03] <qt2> err, is devfs enabled by default in the ubuntu kernel?
[12:03] <bulio|lap> which one?
[12:03] <j2daosh> woohoo i answered a question... im neat lol
[12:03] <intelikey> myke eeek no my bad.
[12:03] <beelzebub1987> anyone here use freenx?
[12:03] <Dr_Willis> techrush,  your dhcp server isent reponding then it seems..
[12:03] <bulio|lap> anyone?
[12:03] <zoqaeski> how do i undo accidentally renaming /var as /var2 ?
[12:03] <_jason> chrisx1, it should start when you boot
[12:03] <jspsh> trappist> i just put username=user\npassword=pass right?
[12:03] <beelzebub1987> I'm having a bit of trouble with it
[12:03] <Ng> qt2: nope, udev is, although devfs may be compiled in
[12:03] <sinclair> um, okay.. ill put POP as answer on evolution and will later set it up at gmail.. i hope i understood well :p
[12:03] <cafuego> bulio|lap: Don't use LVM unless you 1) know what it is and 2) actually need it.
[12:03] <bulio|lap> k
[12:03] <intelikey> myke it is an install error.   sorry i misread part of it.
[12:03] <techrush> Dr_Willis is there anyway i can set it so that it doesnt check for that on boot ?
[12:03] <chrisx1> _jason i get this Cld not load host key: /etc/ssh/ssh_host_dsa_key
[12:03] <chrisx1> *could
[12:03] <tOta> nop bob im think im goona quit
[12:04] <beelzebub1987> My freenx server is up and all, and I can connect to it from the same machine I'm running it on, howerver I cannot connect to it from other computers such as my windows laptop or my mac os x 10.3.9...
[12:04] <tOta> this is becoming stupid and annoying
[12:04] <zoqaeski> can somebody help me?
[12:04] <qt2> Ng, heh, i'm trying to get oss2jack working, which requires fusd.
[12:04] <myke> intelikey i ran the prog "gyach" in a term and i poped up
[12:04] <ubuntu_> ok i got it to play mp3's
[12:04] <Superbob> tOta, lol ah well i tried
[12:04] <qt2> Ng, i've had really bad experinces with custom compiling kernels though.
[12:04] <ubuntu_> now what about .avi;s
[12:04] <Dr_Willis> techrush,   you connected to the network normally?   you could always set up a staiic ip. Ive noticed the delay with my laptop when i am not-networked. but never worried about it.
[12:04] <myke> intelikey seeing if i cna log in
[12:04] <_jason> chrisx1, you get that when? when you try to connect?
[12:04] <chrisx1> when i try start it _jason
[12:04] <Ng> qt2: I'd be really surprised if whatever those things are require devfs
[12:04] <myke> intelikey it is working
[12:04] <chrisx1> at start _jason it fails
[12:05] <techrush> Dr_Willis its on a laptop thats only connected through wireless that is setup with a script after boot
[12:05] <qt2> Ng, FUSD is a Linux Framework for User-Space Devices
[12:05] <intelikey> myke k  good.  the error was probably because it would not overwrite a file.
[12:05] <H0gan> I got ubuntu on, but it is saying that it failed to start the X server, and if I would like to see the server output to diagnose the problem. Will I click yes or no?
[12:05] <qt2> Ng, and lists devfs as a prereq.
[12:05] <cafuego> devfs is deprecated, don't depend on it. ever,
[12:05] <tOta> jamie thx again
[12:05] <_jason> chrisx1, well has to do with the ssh keys, I don't use those.  I just have it using regular passwords.  So I don't know too much about your problem
[12:05] <myke> intelikey thanks for the help anyway
[12:05] <intelikey> np
[12:05] <Ng> qt2: well then it must be pretty rubbish because devfs is being removed from the kernel ;)
[12:05] <Dr_Willis> techrush could be the delay is  the wireless network slowness.. check the wiki/forums perhaps. I i dont use wireless any more.
[12:05] <chrisx1> i can disable ssh keys?
[12:05] <techrush> ok thank you sir
[12:06] <Ng> qt2: I see it hasn't been updated since 2003 :/
[12:06] <Superbob> tOta, no problem unkown
[12:06] <_jason> chrisx1, it's more secure if you don't but yeah in /etc/ssh/ssh_config
[12:06] <vmartin> Anyone here run k3b for cd burning?
[12:06] <Superbob> vmartin, yes
[12:06] <tOta> bob :D could you send me a email with commands
[12:06] <zoqaeski> I've accidentally re-named/moved /var to /var2 whilst trying to sort out some partition problems; now everything's stuffed up cos of this mistakes and I can't undo it.... any ideas how to fix my blunder?
[12:06] <qt2> Ng, i'm basically trying to find a way to let xmms pipe stuff through jack and into skype.
[12:06] <intelikey> vmartin many
[12:06] <ToR911> sudo dpkg -i filename.deb gives an error (for the java package
[12:06] <tOta> or in private just a fast type so i could save them and try later
[12:06] <qt2> Ng, basically virtual audio patch cables.
[12:07] <earldude1> Hey everyone!  I just installed a default version of Breezy.  Is there a way modify some sort of config file or something in order to make the OS NOT automatically load gnome but rather just boot to a prompt or should I have done a server install instead?
[12:07] <vmartin> Superbob: I am having a weird problem.  When I copy data cd's with disc to disc it works great.  But when I copy audio cd to audio cd it goes insanely slow.  Taking up to hours.  Any idea's?
[12:07] <myke> intelikey but i just saw something in the term
[12:07] <intelikey> ?
[12:07] <rosen> I'm getting dependency errors with libxml-libxml-perl ... can anyone tell me what could cause this and how I can correct it ?
[12:07] <bulio|lap> Base system insytallation error
 the debootstrap program exited with an error (return value 1)
[12:07] <Superbob> tOta, i'll see you back here again, or in #fedora
[12:07] <bulio|lap> during install
[12:07] <bulio|lap> what is wrong?
[12:08] <stef65> earldude1: just make it start to runlevel 3 instaed of 5 (e.g. by boot parameters)
[12:08] <qt2> Ng, happen to know of an alternative way?
[12:08] <Ng> qt2: 'fraid not
[12:08] <ToR911> udo dpkg -i filename.deb gives an error , when trying to install a java package, can anyone help?
[12:08] <Superbob> vmartin, do you copy on the fly/
[12:08] <earldude1> stef65:  how do I do that? or, where can I read about runlevels and how to change them
[12:08] <vmartin> Superbob:  if memory serves me correctly I tried both ways.
[12:08] <H0gan> I got Ubuntu on, but Im working from a command line. Anyway to access the GUI? Or is there anyway to set it to reboot to back to Windows from the Command line?
[12:08] <eno> kde sure sucks it back eh
[12:08] <tOta> ok
[12:09] <Dr_Willis> H0gan,  could just type 'startx'
[12:09] <nickrud> earldude1, ubuntu boots to runlevel 2 by default, and runlevels 2-5 are essentially identical. You can disable gdm by removing /etc/rc2.d/S13gdm
[12:09] <stef65> earldude1: complex question... 'google and read' is my suggestion
[12:09] <Dr_Willis> H0gan,  or are you saying the "gdm" service/X is not configured right?
[12:09] <Phoul> Whats a good python editer for ubuntu?
[12:09] <rosen> no idea what could cause dependency errors with libxml-libxml-perl ? ... I dont know how to go about correcting this
[12:10] <eno> I think kde was written in qbasic.  I am doing sudo ap-get remove workspace-kubuntu
[12:10] <rarrr> is there another app for changing the resolution other than gnome-display-properties?
[12:10] <eno> but what SHOULD I be doing?
[12:10] <ToR911> can someone help me with this java package please
[12:10] <Phoul> Can anyone tell me a good python editer?
[12:10] <jspsh> is there a way to set RW permissions on mounted samba shares?
[12:10] <earldude1> nickRud: what does GDM stand for?, and, is S13gdm simply a config file or something?
[12:10] <H0gan> Dr_Willis, I goT FATAL IO ERROR 10 (Connection reset by peer) on X server ":0.0" after 0 requests (0 known processed) with 0 remaining.
[12:11] <HymnToLife> GDM : Gnome Desktop Manager
[12:11] <nickrud> earldude1, gdm is the Gnome Display Manager, the screen you log in on.
[12:11] <earldude1> oh duh
[12:11] <intelikey> rosen trying to install "libxml-libxml-perl" ?
[12:11] <earldude1> cool.  and then so what is s13gdm?
[12:11] <_jason> Phoul, boa construcor or vim
[12:11] <HymnToLife> woops yes, display*
[12:11] <bimberi> ToR911: what's the error?
[12:11] <_jason> Phoul, constructor*
[12:11] <rosen> intelikey, nah I was just trying to update Ubuntu actually, but I got the errormessage a few times before
[12:11] <nickrud> earldude1, the way ubuntu boots is, it loads the kernel, runs the scripts linked in /etc/rcS.d/, then runs the scripts linked in /etc/rc2.d
[12:12] <eno> kde runs like my dreamcast is trying to emulate a ps2... how do I remove it exactly?
[12:12] <rosen> intelikey, I dont even know what libxml-libxml-perl is ;)
[12:12] <ToR911> dpkb-deb(sub-process): short read in buffer copy (....
[12:12] <earldude1> ok so s13gdm is simply a script then
[12:12] <nickrud> earldude1, all the scripts themselves are in /etc/init.d
[12:12] <Superbob> vmartin, do you have swap space enabed?
[12:12] <niden> What's the Make command on Ubuntu ??
[12:12] <stef65> ... ok, just found out that the runlevel conf in ubuntu is kinda SICK!
[12:12] <cafuego> earldude1: Indeed. To disable gdm, edit /etc/X11/default-display-maneger
[12:12] <vmartin> Superbob: within k3b?
[12:12] <nickrud> earldude1, so, by changing links in rc2.d, you can control what's started.
[12:12] <bimberi> ToR911: eww, i'd guess that's a bad download
[12:13] <H0gan> What do I type to reboot?
[12:13] <Superbob> vmartin, no as linux paritition
[12:13] <nickrud> although, apparently there's a better way now :)
[12:13] <eno> if you want to talk about bad downloads, don't get me started about kde.
[12:13] <intelikey> rosen a perl librarry for libxml inc.    make sure you follow the steps on the wiki to upgrade.
[12:13] <eno> oh MAN!  I want to remove it so bad
[12:13] <earldude1> thank you everyone!
[12:13] <intelikey> !upgrade to breezy
[12:13] <ubotu> Syntax error in line 1, intelikey
[12:13] <rosen> intelikey, allright I'll try that ... I didnt think I could upgrade libxml actually ;)
[12:13] <vmartin> Superbob: yep
[12:14] <intelikey> !upgrade
[12:14] <ubotu> The guide to upgrading to breezy (5.10) is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpgrade
[12:14] <ToR911> k , ty
[12:14] <H0gan> hey, what do I type in command line to reboot? I tried 'reboot' but it informed me that im not a super user
[12:14] <rem_> shutdown -r now
[12:14] <rem_> H0gan
[12:14] <rem_> sudo shutdown -r now
[12:14] <chaumurky> is there a way to have a cdrom spin speed slowed for playing cds - it's far too noisy at 40x!!
[12:15] <bimberi> eno: removing libqt3-mt will remove KDE plus a lot of KDE apps
[12:15] <Superbob> vmartin, normally works fine with me at 52x i could only think its writing to disk then cd
[12:15] <nickrud> cafuego, is default-display-manager appearing in dapper; it's not present on this breezy install
[12:15] <eno> I hate kde... thanks.  I will get right on that, Bimberi
[12:15] <cafuego> chaumurky: Rip the songs to ogg or mp3, play them without any CD noise.
[12:15] <chaumurky> rather a complicated way?
[12:16] <cafuego> nickrud: it's on breezy too.
[12:16] <chaumurky> I like lossless anyway
[12:16] <ubuntu_> hello everyone
[12:16] <chaumurky> so I take that as a no then?
[12:16] <cafuego> chaumurky: Rip tp flac.
[12:16] <intelikey> rem_ i'd have said 'ctrl+alt+del'
[12:17] <stef65> Nobody in here running a laptop or Mini ITX with this &%$&-embedded VIA graphix? the xserver just won't start after the install routine, and there's so much contradicting info on the web that i just don't know where to turn next... (except maybe installing gentoo.. :-))
[12:17] <cafuego> chaumurky: Of course, you cannot distringuish between high bitrate ogg or mp3 and lossless, irrespective of whether you think you can.
[12:17] <eno> oh yeah!  I am blowing KDE away!
[12:17] <chaumurky> ripping's not really a solution anyway. I don't want to do that.
[12:17] <chaumurky> I just want to slow down the spindle speed to 1x
[12:18] <chaumurky> what about an hdparm -E1 or something?
[12:18] <eno> chaumurky: maybeyou could hack the source or something?
[12:18] <HymnToLife> stef65 > if you want to install gentoo, good luck :p
[12:18] <cafuego> chaumurky: An *audio* cd always plays at 1X anyway.
[12:18] <chaumurky> I suppose I can only rty
[12:18] <chaumurky> *try
[12:18] <chaumurky> well, the data does but not the spindle speed
[12:18] <sintax> Hey guys
[12:18] <HymnToLife> it has to be the geekiest distro ever, a true nightmare
[12:19] <active-matrix> dr-xr-xr-x  100 root root 0 2005-12-13 00:48 /proc
[12:19] <active-matrix> what does root root mean in here
[12:19] <stef65> Quote: 'Ubuntu is an ancient african word for. I'm sick of compiling gentoo :-)'
[12:19] <iHeartKem_> How do I get the windows media codecs for mplayer in ubuntu ?
[12:19] <cafuego> active-matrix: Means that proc is owned by user root and group root.
[12:19] <HymnToLife> active-matrix > owner and group
[12:19] <bimberi> active-matrix: owner is root and the group is root
[12:19] <chaumurky> HymnToLife: I hear ya - all the time saved in an efficient build is lost in the build process!!
[12:19] <active-matrix> well i do sudo to to edit proc it gets me error you dont have permisions
[12:20] <HymnToLife> iHeartKem > sudo apt-get install w32codecs
[12:20] <djteenbot> Hey yall question about this : was wondering about when i download something off of the net..... if it the information i download will dissappear when i shut down my computer?>
[12:20] <iHeartKem_> thanks HymnToLife
[12:20] <eno> iHeartKem_: totem is supposed to work, but I find it doesn't always
[12:20] <cafuego> active-matrix: You cannot edit files in /proc, they're not real files.
[12:20] <HymnToLife> active-matrix > because even root cannot write to it
[12:20] <bimberi> active-matrix: why are you editing /proc, it's a directory
[12:20] <djteenbot> Hey yall question about this : was wondering about when i download something off of the net..... if it the information i download will dissappear when i shut down my computer?>
[12:20] <active-matrix> i want to change the windows scale
[12:20] <iHeartKem_> E: Package w32codecs has no installation candidate
[12:20] <cafuego> active-matrix: You can sometimes echo data INTO those files, but don't do that if you don't know why you're doing it or what the effect will be.
[12:20] <myke> intelikey it keeps crashing
[12:20] <trappist> djteenbot: no
[12:20] <_jason> ubotu, tell iHeartKem about w32codecs
[12:21] <active-matrix> yes i want to use echo
[12:21] <djteenbot> what do ya mean?
[12:21] <HymnToLife> !tell iHeartKem about plf
[12:21] <vmartin> Superbob: im trying clonecd method.  it seems to be going faster that way
[12:21] <HymnToLife> ubotu, you suck :/
[12:21] <ubotu> HymnToLife: Did you get hit by a windmill?
[12:21] <cafuego> active-matrix: "I want to change the windows scale" makes exactly no sense. What are you trying to accomplish?
[12:21] <iHeartKem_> !plf
[12:21] <trappist> djteenbot: the browser caches it
[12:21] <ubotu> Wish i knew, iHeartKem_
[12:21] <iHeartKem_> ubotu doesnt know what PLF is
[12:21] <ubotu> iHeartKem_: I don't know, could you explain it?
[12:21] <stef65> iHeartKem: U need to get this from the debian marillat repo's... but don't add them to ur sources.list...
[12:21] <djteenbot> can we create our own chat rooms on here on linux?
[12:21] <_jason> teach him
[12:21] <HymnToLife> iHeartKem > google it
[12:21] <trappist> !tell iHeartKem_ about repos
[12:21] <iHeartKem_> hmmm
[12:22] <cafuego> !info plf
[12:22] <trappist> iHeartKem_: iirc plf is a mandrake thing
[12:22] <synackuator> how come ubuntu tells me that my flash drive is read only when it's not
[12:22] <iHeartKem_> i know how to do it on other distro's
[12:22] <cafuego> !plf is <reply> #mandrake is there -->
[12:22] <ubotu> okay, cafuego
[12:22] <synackuator> i've tried chmod and chowning it
[12:22] <djteenbot> Thanks yall for your help :)
[12:22] <iHeartKem_> can i extract the codecs from the mplayer website into the mplayer codecs directory on ubuntu ?
[12:22] <iHeartKem_> (if i can find it of course)
[12:22] <trappist> iHeartKem_: yes, into /usr/lib/win32
[12:22] <jessid> hello!!!
[12:22] <chaumurky> hm hdparm -E1 doesn't seem to make a difference. Bummer.
[12:22] <cafuego> synackuator: chmod and chown don't have any affect on filesystems that don't support permissions (like fat32)
[12:22] <j2daosh> can someone explain to me why i dont have permission to use my sound card?
[12:23] <cafuego> !w32codecs
[12:23] <jessid> some of you have configured the puto wine???
[12:23] <_jason> iHeartKem, go to the link ubotu gave you and you can install it easily from a .deb
[12:23] <Seveas> plf is also an Ubuntu thing
[12:23] <cafuego> !tell  iHeartKem_ -about w32codecs
[12:23] <trappist> yeah?
[12:23] <stef65> j2daosh: maybe u r not a member of group 'audio' ???
[12:23] <synackuator> cafuego, it's mouted rw 0 0 on /media/sda1 vfat
[12:23] <j2daosh> how do i make myself a member of that group?
[12:23] <Seveas> !no plf is the Penguin Liberation Front, see http://wiki.ubuntu-fr.org/doc/plf
[12:23] <ubotu> okay, Seveas
[12:23] <cafuego> synackuator: Yes, root can write to it then, users can't, by default.
[12:24] <nipplesrulz> sup ^_^
[12:24] <nipplesrulz> ok new project:
[12:24] <synackuator> cafuego, root can't even write to it, but i can use it on windows just fine
[12:24] <nipplesrulz> i want to access r/w my ext3 partition from windows
[12:24] <nipplesrulz> how can i do such a think?
[12:24] <jessid> i mean, i have not been able to fix this error: Warning: the specified Windows directory L"c:\\windows" is not accessible.
[12:24] <skon> Anyone know why my libqt3-mt-dev package is broken??It doesn't work
[12:24] <nipplesrulz> *thing
[12:24] <HymnToLife> nipplesrulz > you can't
[12:24] <active-matrix> how do i su root
[12:24] <active-matrix> su root
[12:24] <j2daosh> stef... how do i edit the group?
[12:24] <active-matrix> does not work
[12:24] <Seveas> nipplesrulz, google.com/search?q=explore2fs
[12:24] <gnomefreak> active-matrix  use sudo
[12:24] <Dr_Willis> Huh? I r/w my ext3 from windows all the time.
[12:24] <nipplesrulz> HymnToLife i heard there was a driver for that.. yeah ok thanx sev
[12:24] <j2daosh> active... sudo
[12:25] <bimberi> j2daosh: type "groups" to see it you already are, if not "sudo adduser <username> audio"
[12:25] <nipplesrulz> er Seveas :D
[12:25] <Seveas> !tell active-matrix about sudo
[12:25] <active-matrix> i dont want to use sudo
[12:25] <dooglus> HymnToLife: what do you mean, you can't?
[12:25] <active-matrix> i want to use root
[12:25] <HymnToLife> Seveas > if I remember well, explore2fs is read-only
[12:25] <Dr_Willis> nipplesrulz,  http://www.fs-driver.org/
[12:25] <cafuego> !plf is also for filthy i386 users only
[12:25] <ubotu> okay, cafuego
[12:25] <bimberi> active-matrix: sudo -i
[12:25] <Seveas> active-matrix, with sudo you cab become root
[12:25] <gnomefreak> active-matrix su isnt used by default in ubuntu
[12:25] <Seveas> !plf =~ s/filthy //
[12:25] <ubotu> Seveas: OK
[12:25] <active-matrix> i can not edit the proc with sudo damni
[12:25] <active-matrix> damnit
[12:25] <cafuego> active-matrix: DO NOT just willy-nilly mess in /proc!
[12:25] <active-matrix> i need root
[12:25] <siriusnova> lol
[12:26] <j2daosh> man
[12:26] <Seveas> active-matrix, 'edit proc?'
[12:26] <cafuego> active-matrix: You obviously have no idea what you're doing there!
[12:26] <siriusnova> editing proc :)
[12:26] <HymnToLife> active-matrix > why do you want to edit /proc in the first place ?
[12:26] <siriusnova> hehe
[12:26] <cafuego> active-matrix: WHAT are you trying to ACCOMPLISH?
[12:26] <northie> In a freak accident, I learnt the other day what 'sudo' meant in Spanish.
[12:26] <stef65> nipplesrulz: there's only unstable ext2-drivers for win2000 and xp.... but be aware... it's for ext2, so there's pretty of a chance to ruin ur partition if u write to them under windows....
[12:26] <northie> It's fitting.
[12:26] <Seveas> active-matrix, google.com/search?q=clue
[12:26] <jessid> none have played with wine?
[12:26] <Seveas> northie, enlighten us
[12:26] <iHeartKem_> Thanks, I figured it out
[12:26] <northie> Seveas: Sudo = I sweat.
[12:26] <cafuego> active-matrix: Because otherwise you will BREAK your system.
[12:26] <dooglus> nipplesrulz: this will let you read and write ext3 from windows: http://sourceforge.net/projects/ext2fsd
[12:26] <HymnToLife> lmao
[12:26] <j2daosh> ok i got nothing with google...
[12:26] <iHeartKem_> cat /proc/cpuinfo
[12:27] <Seveas> northie, hehe
[12:27] <j2daosh> i cant get my sound card to work
[12:27] <northie> it's awesoe.
[12:27] <active-matrix> oh yes i want to break my system
[12:27] <northie> Hey j2, join the club.
[12:27] <j2daosh> lol
[12:27] <Seveas> active-matrix, http://www.microsoft.com/
[12:27] <northie> j2daosh, checked all the wiki thingies?
[12:27] <bimberi> !sound
[12:27] <ubotu> [sound]  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingSoundProblems or http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoundProblemsHoary
[12:27] <cafuego> active-matrix: Then random 'dd' calls would be more efficient.
[12:27] <Superbob> j2daosh, whats the problem
[12:27] <HymnToLife> active-matrix > get a hammer, you will save you some hassle then :p
[12:27] <iHeartKem_> he can't play mp3s I bet
[12:27] <northie> Hey Superbob, help me instead.
[12:27] <HymnToLife> lmao Seveas
[12:28] <Superbob> hmmm
[12:28] <j2daosh> esd says i dont have permission...totem says i dont have the proper decoders, and xmms says something is blocking my soundcard/its not configured right/i have the wrong oputput set
[12:28] <active-matrix> how can i get my root password
[12:28] <cmatheson> active-matrix: maybe 'sudo passwd'?
[12:28] <bimberi> active-matrix: "sudo -i", with your own password, will get you a root shell
[12:28] <cafuego> active-matrix: Can you answer my question? What are you trying to accomplish by modifyning info in /proc?
[12:28] <stef65> j2daosh: xmms needs to be told to use esd...
[12:28] <Kyral> what
[12:28] <Seveas> active-matrix, 1 tablespoon of honey, 3 cloves of garlic and a teaspoon of cinnamon
[12:28] <j2daosh> the volume control says i dont have a soundcard
[12:28] <Kyral> modifying info in proc
[12:29] <j2daosh> the device manager see it
[12:29] <Kyral> wtf why?!
[12:29] <HymnToLife> cafuego > he told it, he wants to break his system
[12:29] <cafuego> Kyral: yes, I've been trying to get him to tell me for 10 minutes.
[12:29] <siriusnova> j2daosh - what kind of computer do you have, laptop or desktop?
[12:29] <Superbob> j2daosh, bear in mind you can normally have only one audio app running at a time
[12:29] <northie> Hey j2daosh, what's your card?
[12:29] <j2daosh> desktop
[12:29] <bulio|lap> can I install an older ubuntu version?
[12:29] <j2daosh> yeah i know super... but i cant get any of them to work
[12:29] <bulio|lap> I keep getting debootstrap problem
[12:29] <Kyral> j2daosh: You are nuts
[12:29] <northie> Superbob: My Sb Live! works just fine from the Live CD, but not at all in my proper install.  I've switched cards a few times, so I suppose that'll explain it, but is there a way I can fix my sound without reinstalling Ubuntu yet again?
[12:29] <HymnToLife> bulio|lap > why not ?
[12:29] <bulio|lap> debootstrap problem
[12:30] <j2daosh> why am i nuts?
[12:30] <Kyral> j2daosh: You CANNOT modify info in /proc
[12:30] <j2daosh> lol im not nuts... im a noob...
[12:30] <Superbob> northie, tyoe alsamixer make sure the channels are not muted
[12:30] <exosyst> Hi again, fixed wireless (for those who remember question). Is there a way to install an older version of some software as i think i broke SMEG by using a new library
[12:30] <bimberi> Kyral: j2daosh isn't the one wanting to modify /proc
[12:30] <siriusnova> j2daish - laptop or desktop?
[12:30] <j2daosh> im not trying to mod the /proc info... i dont even know what the /proc is
[12:30] <_jason> Kyral, lol wrong person
[12:30] <j2daosh> lol
[12:30] <j2daosh> desktop
[12:30] <iHeartKem_> cat /proc/cpuinfo
[12:30] <iHeartKem_> ;)
[12:30] <northie> Superbob: haven't got alsamixer, in fact.
[12:30] <j2daosh> im not gonna mess with files i dont know anything about... im not stupid
[12:30] <siriusnova> j2daosh - what kind of sound card is it?
[12:30] <Superbob> /proc/sleep
[12:31] <j2daosh> its a ac 97 realtek thing from via tech
[12:31] <cafuego> yeah, let me upgrade the CPU by setting the mhz to 3000 in /proc
[12:31] <siriusnova> disable "Plug and Play" in the bios
[12:31] <Kyral> j2daosh: /proc is a "mirror" of the current system processes
[12:31] <siriusnova> that might help
[12:31] <HymnToLife> lmao cafuego
[12:31] <Superbob> northie, really i thought it was a default package?
[12:31] <j2daosh> kryal... then i definately aint touching that yet
[12:31] <northie> Superbob: but anyhow, aplay -l says I haven't got a card. lspci finds it, thopugh.
[12:31] <cafuego> HymnToLife: don't laugh, I'm leet!
[12:31] <Kyral> its quite literally generated when the system boots
[12:31] <HymnToLife> and give it 1G ahe memory
[12:31] <HymnToLife> cache*
[12:31] <Kyral> j2daosh: I thought it was literally impossible to modify the ifo
[12:31] <northie> Superbob, Well, hoom. All right, I have it, but it won't open.
[12:32] <northie> Superbob: alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory
[12:32] <cmatheson> northie: sounds like you're sound card wasn't detected... does /dev/dsp show up?
[12:32] <j2daosh> lol i could find a way
[12:32] <cafuego> HymnToLife: It's alrteady got 1.5GB (and I note it's swapping 13Mb too!)
[12:32] <roune> can someone help me, just a short question?
[12:32] <northie> Shoot, roune.
[12:32] <j2daosh> and it would be a complete accident
[12:32] <j2daosh> lol
[12:33] <HymnToLife> w00t, THAT is one hell of a CPU :p
[12:33] <Superbob> northie, you most likely dont have the module loaded for it
[12:33] <Dr_Willis> Kyral,  be sure ones not allready been done. :P
[12:33] <cafuego> HymnToLife:
[12:33] <stef65> So nobody in here is having a clue about the broken via-xorg driver in breezy? just a link to a faq or something to read???
[12:33] <HymnToLife> sure :p
[12:33] <j2daosh> northie im having the same problem kinda...
[12:33] <Dr_Willis> stef65,  checked the wiki and forums yet?
[12:33] <stef65> yup!
[12:33] <j2daosh> mine says "ALSA lib confmisc.c:560:(snd_determine_driver) could not open control for card 0"
[12:34] <roune> i reacently installed ubuntu, and then i needed to use su, but, i didnt know the pass .. Oo
[12:34] <northie> cmatheson: Well. Hmm. I don't think so.
[12:34] <j2daosh> ALSA lib conf.c:3479:(_snd_config_evaluate) function snd_func_card_driver returned error: Permission denied
[12:34] <cmatheson> cafuego: did you try running top and sorting by memory usage?
[12:34] <Kyral> ubotu tell roune about RootSudo
[12:34] <northie> Superbob, that's what, modprobe emu10k1?
[12:34] <roune> so i types sudo su and made a new pass, is that bad?
[12:34] <crimsun> j2daosh: are you using Breezy?
[12:34] <cafuego> cmatheson: Yeah, biggest is X with about 80Mb
[12:34] <j2daosh> whatever that means
[12:34] <Dr_Willis> roune,  Congratulations! you just asked FAQ #1.
[12:34] <j2daosh> yeah im using breezy
[12:34] <Dr_Willis> :)
[12:34] <skon> Anyone know why the libqt3-mt-dev package is broken whenever I try to use it with apt-get or synaptic?
[12:34] <crimsun> j2daosh: cat /proc/asound/cards
[12:34] <roune> lol
[12:34] <cmatheson> northie: ok, if you don't have /dev/dsp then you don't have the appropriate module loaded for your sound cared
[12:34] <roune> i see :D
[12:34] <cafuego> roune: You should have used 'sudo' and your user password.
[12:34] <Kyral> roune: Checkout the link that Ubotu pmsged
[12:34] <roune> but i dont like sudo :D
[12:35] <northie> cmatheson, fixitfixit?
[12:35] <j2daosh> 0 [V8235          ] : VIA8233 - VIA 8235
[12:35] <j2daosh>                      VIA 8235 with AD1980 at 0xe000, irq 22
[12:35] <cmatheson> cafuego: crazy, and free doesn't show it being used as cache... i don't know
[12:35] <cafuego> roune: It's exactly THE SAME as 'su'
[12:35] <cmatheson> northie: i don't know, what kind of sound card is it
[12:35] <Kyral> cafuego: its more like su -c
[12:35] <j2daosh> should i edit that somhow?
[12:35] <roune> but its 2 charachters longer :D
[12:35] <cafuego> roune: 'sudo -s' -> shell.
[12:35] <crimsun> j2daosh: you haven't tried to compile your own ALSA drivers, have you?
[12:35] <kaoticorder> Does anyone have experience with GRUB and IDE-PCI cards?
[12:35] <j2daosh> lol i dont even know what compiling is lol
[12:35] <northie> What is /dev/dsp supposed to be, anyhow? I mean, how do I check if I have it or not?
[12:35] <cmatheson> northie: ls /dev/dsp
[12:36] <j2daosh> u do a cd /dev/dsp
[12:36] <cmatheson> northie: it's the sound-card's device file
[12:36] <crimsun> j2daosh: paste the output from ''lsmod'' onto http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[12:36] <northie> I have that. And a dsp1 and a dspw.
[12:36] <crimsun> northie: /dev/dsp is provided in Ubuntu by ALSA's OSS emulation
[12:36] <stef65> northie: a simple 'ls /dev/dsp*' will tell you....
[12:37] <tom__> hello
[12:37] <j2daosh> ok its there...whatever all that was
[12:37] <northie> Right. And I've got stuff called /dev/dsp  /dev/dsp1  /dev/dspW
[12:37] <tom__> is this a ubuntu chat room?
[12:37] <kaoticorder> Does anyone have experience with the GRUB CLI?
[12:37] <northie> Yes, tom. Yes.
[12:37] <trappist> tom__: it's an ubuntu channel.
[12:37] <_jason> tom__, support channel
[12:37] <crimsun> j2daosh: please pass me the url next time
[12:37] <soldieruk400> tell you what iff some one wanted to compleatly fix my unbuntu in terms of stile and look id gladly let some body use remote lol
[12:37] <tom__> sweet!!!!
[12:37] <stef65> northie: so ur a nearly a recording studio owner... :-)
[12:37] <northie> stef65, har-di-fricking-har.
[12:37] <Superbob> northie, and lsmod shows some snd_ modules
[12:37] <soldieruk400> im scared of mucking it up :O)
[12:37] <northie> i have no soound.
[12:38] <j2daosh> oh... im sorry
[12:38] <crimsun> northie: cat /proc/asound/cards
[12:38] <northie> And the card's an Sb Live! 5.1, to whoever did the asking.
[12:38] <tom__> so does anyone use darkstat
[12:38] <tom__> ?
[12:38] <roune> well, can u use su insread of sudo?
[12:38] <roune> ^^
[12:38] <crimsun> northie: paste the output from ''amixer'' onto http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org
[12:38] <rambo3> same as mine cound card
[12:38] <purpleheartusmc> Any ideas of where to get a linux ready box for cheap?
[12:38] <Phoul> Gah anyone know about boa contructer?
[12:38] <Kyral> purpleheartusmc: junkyard? <Seriously>
[12:39] <Phoul> constructer
[12:39] <rambo3> walmart
[12:39] <Phoul> Anyone know about it
[12:39] <crimsun> j2daosh: (still waiting for the url)
[12:39] <j2daosh> did u get it?
[12:39] <purpleheartusmc> ty rambo
[12:39] <j2daosh> i dont know how to use irc really
[12:39] <northie> crimsun - no need, it's short: amixer: Mixer attach default error: No such file or directory
[12:39] <Phoul> Anyone know about boa constructer?
[12:39] <crimsun> northie: lspci -v |grep -i audio
[12:39] <crimsun> j2daosh: just paste me the url of the paste
[12:39] <northie> crimsun: 0000:00:06.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs SB Live! EMU10k1 (rev 07)
[12:39] <j2daosh> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/5679
[12:40] <trappist> Phoul: some python thing iirc.  an ide?
[12:40] <bimberi> roune: well yes, but it means setting up a root password, meaning another password to manage
[12:40] <Nerened> purpleheartusmc: mine was from the trash
[12:40] <Phoul> Gah does anyone know how to USE it
[12:40] <nipplesrulz> Seveas http://www.fs-driver.org/index.html
[12:40] <_jason> Phoul, have you visited #python yet?
[12:40] <nipplesrulz> im gonna test it with read/write
[12:40] <crimsun> j2daosh: and output from ''amixer''?
[12:40] <nipplesrulz> ill write up a report in a week or two on the forums ;)_
[12:40] <roune> okay, :D
[12:40] <trappist> Phoul: might try in #python
[12:41] <roune> um,, did u have the link? ^^
[12:41] <bulio|lap> I have ubuntu 4.10
[12:41] <northie> Can I unload one of the lsmod things?
[12:41] <crimsun> northie: I need ''lsmod'' output on paste.ubuntu-nl.org, too
[12:41] <bulio|lap> can I upgrade to 5.10 usintg apt-get?
[12:41] <northie> It might be my now disabled onboard blocking stuff up.
[12:41] <crimsun> bulio|lap: yes
[12:41] <northie> crimsun, getting right on it. thanks.
[12:41] <techrush> i like ubuntu
[12:41] <j2daosh> admin@Admin:~$ amixer
[12:41] <j2daosh> amixer: Mixer attach default error: Permission denied
[12:41] <techrush> it has the polish and everything just works like on pclinuxos
[12:41] <techrush> but it feels faster
[12:42] <crimsun> j2daosh: sudo invoke-rc.d alsa force-reload
[12:43] <j2daosh> didn't work
[12:43] <northie> crimsun: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/5680
[12:43] <j2daosh> admin@Admin:~$ sudo invoke-rc.d alsa force-reload
[12:43] <j2daosh> Unloading ALSA sound driver modules: snd-seq-dummy snd-seq-oss snd-seq-midi snd-seq-midi-event snd-seq snd-via82xx snd-ac97-codec snd-pcm-oss snd-mixer-oss snd-pcm snd-timer snd-page-alloc snd-mpu401-uart snd-rawmidi snd-seq-device.
[12:43] <j2daosh> Loading ALSA sound driver modules: snd-seq-dummy snd-seq-oss snd-seq-midi snd-seq-midi-event snd-seq snd-via82xx snd-ac97-codec snd-pcm-oss snd-mixer-oss snd-pcm snd-timer snd-page-alloc snd-mpu401-uart snd-rawmidi snd-seq-device.
[12:43] <northie> I wanna do that forced reload thing.
[12:43] <northie> That looks hot.
[12:44] <crimsun> j2daosh: and now amixer? (don't flood here)
[12:44] <northie> crimsun, tell me to do a forced reload.
[12:44] <j2daosh> it did all that and "new devices" popped up but it said null and when i went to the sys->pref->sounds it doesn't give me an sound cards to chose
[12:44] <crimsun> northie: you have OSS/Free drivers loaded.
[12:44] <crimsun> northie: sudo modprobe -r emu10k1 ac97_codec
[12:45] <northie> What does the -r do?
[12:45] <crimsun> it unloads them
[12:45] <northie> Okay.
[12:45] <j2daosh> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/5681
[12:45] <northie> And now I should do what?
[12:45] <crimsun> northie: then, sudo modprobe snd-emu10k1
[12:45] <northie> FATAL: Module snd_emu10k1 not found.
[12:45] <northie> FATAL: Error running install command for snd_emu10k1
[12:45] <crimsun> northie: did you compile your own kernel and/or ALSA drivers?
[12:45] <northie> No.
[12:46] <bulio|lap> will I have a better chance of no corruption by using bittorrent?
[12:46] <Kyral> bulio|lap: its more like burning it slower
[12:46] <crimsun> northie: what Ubuntu install is this?
[12:47] <crimsun> j2daosh: groups|grep audio && ls -l /dev/snd/controlC0
[12:47] <northie> Breezy. The thing that could've messed with it is that I've played around with a pair of different cards, including my onboard, with this install.
[12:47] <crimsun> northie: meaning what version and how it was installed
[12:47] <z0rz> hmm
[12:47] <crimsun> northie: uname -r
[12:47] <northie> 2.6.12-10-k7
[12:48] <bulio|lap> or should I dl ubuntu 5.04
[12:48] <bulio|lap> and upgrade?
[12:48] <j2daosh> all it did was give me a command line?
[12:48] <z0rz> alrigh tI'm trying to install centericq in synaptic and it's wanting to Breezy Badger CD
[12:48] <z0rz> wtf
[12:48] <bulio|lap> dling with bittorrent
[12:48] <crimsun> j2daosh: aha, that's why.
[12:48] <z0rz> why can't it download it of the net?
[12:48] <j2daosh> whats why?
[12:48] <bulio|lap> what speed should I burn it at?
[12:48] <crimsun> j2daosh: sudo adduser $USER audio
[12:48] <crimsun> j2daosh: then log out and back into GNOME
[12:48] <trappist> z0rz: update your sources.list and take the cd sources out
[12:49] <bulio|lap> what burning speed should I set it?
[12:49] <bulio|lap> this laptop burn at 8X max
[12:49] <bulio|lap> so 4X?
[12:49] <arthur> hello, can someone help me, i'm actually trying to install daimonin on my ubuntu linux
[12:49] <z0rz> trappist wher's sources.list at?
[12:49] <trappist> in /etc/apt
[12:49] <northie> You're fretting too much, bulio. 4x sounds fine, but 8x probably would be just as.
[12:49] <j2daosh> it says im already a member of audio
[12:49] <j2daosh> but when i do groups it doesn't say i am?....
[12:49] <z0rz> could I just get it with apt-get?
[12:49] <crimsun> j2daosh: then you couldn't have had just a blank line returned
[12:50] <crimsun> j2daosh: echo $USER
[12:50] <trappist> z0rz: yes, after you fix your sources.list
[12:50] <bulio|lap> northie: 2 other CDs with seperate PCs and .isos failed
[12:50] <j2daosh> $user returns a blank space
[12:50] <northie> bulio|lap, Jesus.
[12:50] <northie> bulio|lap, Okay. I'll be quiet.
[12:50] <j2daosh> admin@Admin:~$ echo $user
[12:50] <j2daosh> admin@Admin:~$
[12:50] <bulio|lap> ?
[12:50] <bulio|lap> exactly
[12:50] <Dr_Willis>  echo $USER
[12:50] <j2daosh> except there is a space between the 2 prompts
[12:51] <j2daosh> oh
[12:51] <j2daosh> lol
[12:51] <Dr_Willis> not 'user' :P
[12:51] <crimsun> northie: sudo depmod -a && modinfo snd_emu10k1|head -1
[12:51] <bulio|lap> should I download once more, burn at 4X, and dl with bittorrent?
[12:51] <j2daosh> forgot its all case sensitve
[12:51] <bulio|lap> or get 5.04?
[12:51] <arthur> anyone to help me in compiling daimonin ?
[12:51] <z0rz> apt-get centericq?
[12:51] <northie> crimsun, modinfo: could not find module snd_emu10k1
[12:51] <j2daosh> ok i did and it showed me my name
[12:51] <j2daosh> ...
[12:51] <bulio|lap> anyone?
[12:51] <arthur> somenone
[12:51] <z0rz> and what do I need to change in sources.list ? I commented out the cd-rom...
[12:51] <arthur> i'm french
[12:51] <B_166-ER> why cant I just install the updates ?  it always says that it wasnt able to install everything
[12:51] <arthur> i dont speack english very well
[12:51] <crimsun> northie: are you _positive_ you haven't mucked with anything kernel-related?
[12:51] <j2daosh> ok im added now
[12:51] <crimsun> j2daosh: now, groups|grep audio
[12:52] <j2daosh> keeps giving me a blank line
[12:52] <j2daosh> dmin@Admin:~$ groups |grep audio
[12:52] <j2daosh> admin@Admin:~$
[12:52] <northie> crimsun, Eh. Yeah. Yes. This has been clean since format, except hardware.
[12:52] <crimsun> j2daosh: sudo adduser admin audio
[12:53] <j2daosh> but im added here "admin@Admin:~$ groups admin
[12:53] <j2daosh> admin : admin daemon bin sys adm tty disk mail audio backup crontab ssh
[12:53] <arthur> so, nobody to help me ?
[12:53] <northie> crimsun, And possibly an attempt at alsa drivers for a bad card. can't quite recall.
[12:53] <northie> crimsun, But went the module route with those, not the kernel one.
[12:53] <arthur> ( pleaaaase )
[12:53] <B_166-ER> how can i have unidentified packages in the updates if only universe and MAIN repos are activated ?
[12:54] <crimsun> northie: please reinstall the kernel image: sudo apt-get --reinstall install linux-image-$(uname -r)
[12:54] <northie> crimsun, One thing I did was change a module conf. somewhere or other, at the behest of someone in the channel, to include the line 'emu10k1'.
[12:54] <Art_> What is the best way to get all of the etra stuff: Java, Flash, RealPlayer, MPlayer, etc. working in kubuntu?  Is there a good HOWTO?
[12:54] <northie> arthur, quest-que tu voulais?
[12:54] <crimsun> northie: no, you must not use emu10k1.
[12:54] <bobbyg> hello
[12:54] <arthur> northie : je n'arrive pas  compiler daimonin
[12:54] <Art_> extra
[12:54] <crimsun> arthur: please be patient.
[12:54] <arthur> ok, i'll be patient, no problem
[12:54] <Cokey> could someone help me?
[12:54] <B_166-ER> #ubuntu-fr pour un canal en francais
[12:55] <bobbyg> is there a really good slide show app for ubuntu/
[12:55] <crimsun> j2daosh: ls -l /dev/snd/controlC0
[12:55] <northie> crimsun, okie.
[12:55] <crimsun> arthur: what's the issue?
[12:55] <_jason> bobbyg, OOo Impress
[12:55] <arthur> thanks
[12:55] <bobbyg> impress!?
[12:55] <Cokey> im trying to install VLC media player on this and i dont know how, could someone help?
[12:55] <arthur> well, i have lots of errors about SDL
[12:55] <j2daosh> crw-rw----  1 root audio 116, 0 2005-12-12 17:42 /dev/snd/controlC0
[12:55] <chrisx1> how do i unpack a tar.gz
[12:55] <arthur> but i did install SDL and it's source
[12:55] <arthur> but there's always the problem
[12:55] <HymnToLife> Cokey > sudo apt-get install vlc
[12:55] <crimsun> Cokey: enable the universe repository and install vlc
[12:55] <bobbyg> who is this seveas guy
[12:55] <phreq> chirsx1: tar -zx <file>
[12:55] <crimsun> bobbyg: he's a Ubuntu member, why?
[12:55] <skon> Nobody can help me with trying to install libqt3-mt-dev via apt-get and synaptic???
[12:55] <chrisx1> ty
[12:56] <Kyral> Cokey: sudo apt-get install vlc vlc-plugin-alsa
[12:56] <phreq> De nada.
[12:56] <Kyral> bobbyg: Seveas is uber cool dude
[12:56] <bobbyg> I had friends of mine who were bumped from here and I know they didn't do anything wrong
[12:56] <HymnToLife> bobbyg > yoou'd better not piss Seveas off
[12:56] <bobbyg> he bumped them
[12:56] <phreq> man gzip & man tar will be helpful.
[12:56] <HymnToLife> or he will do you nasty things
[12:56] <bobbyg> I piss off anyone that has an adult body and a childish mind
[12:56] <crimsun> j2daosh: whoami
[12:56] <chrisx1> bobbyg: they obviosly did....
[12:56] <bobbyg> not likely
[12:56] <j2daosh> admin
[12:57] <chrisx1> Yes...
[12:57] <Seveas> bobbyg, instead of ranting, why not simply ask?
[12:57] <northie> crimsun, it's reinstalled.
[12:57] <Kyral> Indeed!
[12:57] <northie> crimsun, restart?
[12:57] <bobbyg> hthe only possiblity is that this seveas character is an extreme immature
[12:57] <chrisx1> Just like u at this moment in time
[12:57] <chrisx1> :(
[12:57] <j2daosh> lol
[12:57] <Seveas> I don't need such crap
[12:57] <HymnToLife> bobbyg > yeah, coming in to complain abouh nothing without asking is s0000000000000 mature...
[12:57] <bulio|lap> anyone else have debootstrap problem?
[12:58] <crimsun> northie: no, modinfo snd_emu10k1|head -1
[12:58] <chrisx1> Just like u at this moment in time
[12:58] <j2daosh> well thats what happens when u talk about a guy that hosts a repository
[12:58] <j2daosh> lol
[12:58] <chrisx1> :D
[12:58] <bobbyg> hello seveas
[12:58] <bobbyg> very clever
[12:58] <bobbyg> but again childish
[12:58] <chrisx1> bobbyg: stfu u kid
[12:58] <Kyral> ....this guy sounds familier
[12:58] <j2daosh> lol sev
[12:58] <chrisx1> BAN HIM:D
[12:58] <chrisx1> lol
[12:58] <chrisx1> oo
[12:58] <chrisx1> to slow
[12:58] <chrisx1> :p
[12:58] <aford> if a .htaccess file does not point to a password file, is there a default password file anywhere that I can add one to?
[12:58] <j2daosh> jenda was right.. lol ur pretty cool
[12:58] <Seveas> chrisx1, do NOT ask for bans
[12:58] <chrisx1> o
[12:58] <chrisx1> :$
[12:58] <Seveas> I don't like banning people
[12:58] <MickMcMack> Seveas, can you add the "ask protocol" to the bot. >_>;
[12:58] <chrisx1> U know u do:D
[12:58] <techrush> how can i make it so ubuntu does not try to syncronize the system clock with that website clock ?
[12:58] <trappist> aford: no
[12:59] <Seveas> !tell MickMcMack about add
[12:59] <aford> trappist
[12:59] <crimsun> banning is only used as a last resort here.
[12:59] <aford> trappist where do I add a user then?
[12:59] <ompaul> chrisx1, you have been asked to put it all on one line that is so much noise, it is not right
[12:59] <Seveas> techrush, sudo update-rc.d -f ntpdate remove
[12:59] <skon> techrush: Adminstration: Date and Time
[12:59] <aford> that will work with the .htaccess file?
[12:59] <techrush> thanks to both of you
[12:59] <MickMcMack> Seveas, awesome, didn't know it was public. ^_^
[12:59] <northie> crimsun, filename:       /lib/modules/2.6.12-10-k7/kernel/sound/pci/emu10k1/snd-emu10k1.ko
[12:59] <j2daosh> ok damnit... this sound card thing is kicking my @ss...
[12:59] <chrisx1> ompaul: sowwy </3
[01:00] <andrew_> I just added a catchall virtual user to my postfix config, and now all mail is being delivered there - even stuff that should go to real users. Is there a way to get postfix to process the real stuff first, then the catchall?
[01:00] <j2daosh> how do i set up ssh so i can let someone in to fix it?
[01:00] <Seveas> j2daosh, sudo apt-get install openssh-server
[01:00] <crimsun> j2daosh: hmm, so your user is named 'admin'?
[01:00] <j2daosh> yeah
[01:00] <crimsun> j2daosh: and ''groups|grep audio'' returns nothing?
[01:00] <skon> jwda0sh: make sure you have your router forwarded to accept port 22 and forward it to your computer's IP
[01:00] <j2daosh> nope
[01:01] <Cokey> does anyone know how to make dc++ work with linux?
[01:01] <ompaul> chrisx1, pm?
[01:01] <j2daosh> it only says im part of the audio if i do a groups admin
[01:01] <crimsun> j2daosh: but ''groups admin|grep audio'' does?
[01:01] <northie> Cokey, use synaptic to grab valknut?
[01:01] <j2daosh> yep
[01:01] <chrisx1> ompaul: why?
[01:01] <czer323> This channel is amazing.
[01:01] <northie> Cokey, valknut's an opensource, linux-compatible dc client.
[01:01] <czer323> I love just sitting reading everything.
[01:01] <Cokey> that will work in place of dc++
[01:01] <j2daosh> where is the source .list file?
[01:01] <czer323> it's like a streaming source of knowledge.
[01:01] <j2daosh> i have to rename it back to source.list
[01:01] <crimsun> j2daosh: try this: create a new user, sudo adduser test && sudo adduser test audio
[01:02] <Cokey> thanks
[01:02] <crimsun> j2daosh: then log in as the 'test' user
[01:02] <northie> czer323, you'll go mad.
[01:02] <Cokey> oh and how can i see my current upload and download speeds? and how do i cap them?
[01:02] <czer323> They say that genius borders madness. ;)
[01:03] <crimsun> northie: did you paste the output I requested?
[01:03] <j2daosh> how do i log in as test without logging out of me?
[01:03] <northie> czer323, so that's why canada's where it's at..
[01:03] <northie> crimsun, filename:       /lib/modules/2.6.12-10-k7/kernel/sound/pci/emu10k1/snd-emu10k1.ko
[01:03] <phreq> j2, su
[01:03] <crimsun> j2daosh: Applications> System Tools
[01:03] <crimsun> j2daosh: try the login as different/new user
[01:04] <crimsun> northie: good. now, sudo modprobe snd-emu10k1
[01:04] <aford> if a .htaccess file does not point to a password file, is there a default password file anywhere that I can add usename and password? if so where is it? if not how do I add a new username and password that the htaccess file will recognise?
[01:04] <northie> crimsun, Hey, stuff's going down.
[01:04] <northie> crimsun, things popped up in my gnome saying it'd detected stuff. So I had messed the kernel up after all?
[01:04] <crimsun> northie: not the kernel, just the drivers for your sound card.
[01:04] <j2daosh> well what the hell... the test account works
[01:05] <northie> crimsun, but still had to redownload the kernel?
[01:05] <j2daosh> ok
[01:05] <j2daosh> can i delete the admin account and rename the test account admin?
[01:05] <crimsun> j2daosh: I recommend you create a new user and use that one instead of 'admin'
[01:05] <j2daosh> ok
[01:05] <northie> crimsun: I can choose a sound card under preferences/sound now, which is nice. Should it work right awaY?
[01:06] <crimsun> j2daosh: then please file a bug on bugzilla with the description that a user named 'admin' doesn't have proper access to groups listed in ''groups''
[01:06] <techrush> that is a very nice feature northie
[01:06] <crimsun> northie: it requires a restart of the sound apps
[01:07] <j2daosh> lol do wha?
[01:07] <Cokey> valknut didnt work
[01:07] <crimsun> j2daosh: http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[01:07] <Murrlin> I deleted the only 'xserver', even tho gdm starts one for me, in the config
[01:07] <crimsun> j2daosh: have you created a new user yet?
[01:07] <northie> Won't take up more of your time, crimsun. Big thanks.
[01:07] <j2daosh> yeah
[01:07] <j2daosh> created a "shared" account
[01:07] <crimsun> northie: np, you're not taking up my time
[01:07] <arthur> here are my errors with daimonin's "make all" : http://ubuntu-fr.pastebin.ca/33453
[01:07] <MickMcMack> ubotu ask is The ask protocol: FACT, asking to ask a question is the second biggest waste of bandwidth on the intarweb, (the first being this message), so please don't ask to ask, just ask away!
[01:07] <ubotu> ...but ask is already something else...
[01:07] <MickMcMack> >_<
[01:07] <MickMcMack> ~asl
[01:07] <MickMcMack> ~ask *
[01:07] <Cokey> how can i open .avi's on this thing?
[01:07] <ToR911> can someone recomend me, a Light c++ editor (will be nice having debug & compile in it) its for vmware with only 192Ram so heavy editors are a problem
[01:07] <MickMcMack> Lies and slander. -_-;
[01:08] <Dr_Willis> intarweb ?
[01:08] <northie> Worked anyhow, crimsun. I've got sound. Awesome. One week without it, I think I developed tics.
[01:08] <Razor-X> nickrud: asl?!?!?!
[01:08] <Razor-X> errr
[01:08] <MickMcMack> Dr_Acemaster, yes indeedly.
[01:08] <Seveas> ToR911, vim
[01:08] <MickMcMack> * Dr_Willis
[01:08] <Murrlin> ok there's the config screen
[01:08] <Razor-X> MickMcMack: asl?!?!
[01:08] <Cokey> what is the best dc++ for linux?
[01:08] <Murrlin> what do I enter?
[01:08] <Dr_Willis> ;)
[01:08] <MickMcMack> !tell MickMcMack about ask
[01:08] <Seveas> Razor-X, it was a typo :)
[01:08] <Cokey> it doesnt find valknut
[01:08] <Razor-X> MickMcMack: 999/n/australia's down under
[01:09] <Razor-X> :P
[01:09] <Razor-X> Seveas: I realized that, had to play on it though :P
[01:09] <MickMcMack> x)
[01:09] <MickMcMack> ubotu ask-protocol is The Ask Protocol: FACT, asking to ask a question is the second biggest waste of bandwidth on the intarweb, (the first being this message), so please don't ask to ask, just ask away!
[01:09] <ubotu> MickMcMack: okay
[01:09] <MickMcMack> Wehay. ^_^
[01:09] <Pianomany2k> Where can a find an MP3 decoder? I'm surprised it isn't standard with the installation
[01:10] <Seveas> !tell Pianomany2k about mp3
[01:10] <soldieruk400> i need one for my ipod to
[01:10] <crimsun> j2daosh: ok, what is the output from ''groups'' ?
[01:12] <Cokey> which is best for .nzb files?
[01:12] <Cokey> i have no idea how to open them
[01:12] <crimsun> Cokey: I presume you could try newsleecher in wine
[01:12] <Razor-X> Cokey: I would suggest a google search :P, and maybe a bit of context on what's in the file, and where you got it from
[01:12] <Dido-> !tell Dido- about rar
[01:12] <Dido-> ;))
[01:13] <Cokey> from any .nzb file search
[01:13] <Cokey> nzbsrus.com
[01:13] <Cokey> how do i configure wine
[01:13] <Cokey> i tried earlier
[01:13] <crimsun> you shouldn't need to configure it at all
[01:13] <Dido-> Cokey hard
[01:13] <crimsun> just install it, then: wine foo.exe
[01:13] <Cokey> how do i install it?
[01:13] <crimsun> sudo aptitude install wine
[01:14] <sklav> which version of wine is in the repo?
[01:14] <crimsun> !info wine
[01:14] <ubotu> wine: (Microsoft Windows Compatibility Layer (Binary Emulator and Library)), section universe/otherosfs, is optional. Version: 0.0.20050725-0ubuntu1 (breezy), Packaged size: 14131 kB, Installed size: 55484 kB
[01:14] <Pianomany2k> Seveas: I didn't catch that message about the MP3...my connection locked
[01:14] <Cokey> Reading package lists... Done
[01:14] <Cokey> Building dependency tree
[01:14] <Cokey> Initializing package states... Done
[01:14] <Cokey> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[01:14] <Cokey> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[01:14] <Cokey> thats what it said
[01:15] <chrisx1> !tell Pianomany2k about mp3
[01:15] <sklav> are u using synaptic?
[01:15] <crimsun> Cokey: close synaptic or any other tools
[01:15] <Cokey> ok
[01:15] <Jaymac> Cokey, if synaptic and update are closed, check service monitor
[01:16] <Cokey> pastebin.com/461641
[01:16] <Cokey> is that correct?
[01:17] <chrisx1> np: Eminem - When I'm Gone - Dirty
[01:17] <chrisx1> :P
[01:17] <Dido-> HymnToLife are you using xmms? tell me how to get that plugin installed if you are
[01:17] <pulver> hey! i know some ppl that know some ppl that barely know howto point and click on stuff so i was thinking is there a way to add a windoze self-extracting executable to an archive like zip, tar, rar etc from within linux?
[01:17] <crimsun> chrisx1: that's considered spam, too.
[01:17] <chrisx1> :(
[01:17] <HymnToLife> Dido- > nope, I'm using amarok
[01:18] <Cokey> what is service monitor?
[01:18] <Dido-> chrisx1  are you using xmms? tell me how to get that plugin installed if you are
[01:18] <chrisx1> Dido-: i got xmms
[01:18] <Dido-> ;] 
[01:18] <Dido-> oh
[01:18] <Dido-> ;)
[01:18] <chrisx1> xlack for xchat
[01:18] <chrisx1> nees xmms for perl
[01:18] <chrisx1> *needs
[01:18] <tj_> hello all
[01:18] <pulver> hello
[01:18] <tipnmo> hello
[01:19] <HymnToLife> hi tj_
[01:19] <tj_> any one know where to put scripts of startup
[01:19] <tj_> i thought it was /etc/init.d/rcx.d  but its not there
[01:19] <bimberi> Cokey: are running ubuntu on PowerPC?
[01:20] <techrush> mmm power pc
[01:20] <Seveas> tj_, /etc/init.d and use update-rc.d to enable them
[01:20] <Cokey> no
[01:20] <Cokey> live cd
[01:20] <Cokey> on mtiger
[01:20] <tj_> Seveas, do you create file?
[01:20] <dnB> can someone tell me where the xchat folder is? on www.xchat.org it says /usr/share/xchat/ , however that folder doesnt exist
[01:20] <Cokey> im new, if you couldnt tell....i just got it earlier today
[01:21] <nipplesrulz> hey Seveas what was that nice thing that access linux files from windows? based on putty or the like? scm sfm stp or something?
[01:21] <Cokey> ive never used linux and need all the help i can get
[01:21] <HymnToLife> dnB > to do what ?
[01:21] <Kyral> dnB: you mean personal settings?
[01:21] <Seveas> dnB, dpkg -L xchat
[01:21] <Cokey> i just need to know how to get dc++ and how to open .nzb files
[01:21] <cafuego> mtiger?
[01:21] <HymnToLife> Cokey > you've come to the right place then :)
[01:21] <bimberi> Cokey: wine only runs on i386
[01:21] <Cokey> tiger
[01:21] <Seveas> nipplesrulz, winscp
[01:21] <Kyral> dnB: Your personal settings are in ~/.xchat2
[01:21] <Cokey> oh it does/
[01:21] <cafuego> So on powerpc after all.
[01:21] <Seveas> or pscp from putty
[01:21] <nipplesrulz> sweet thanx Seveas!
[01:21] <dnB> Kyral, im actually looking for the pngs for the 'orbs' near the userlist
[01:21] <nipplesrulz> pscp? o.O
[01:21] <nipplesrulz> which do you think is a little betteh?
[01:21] <dnB> which should be in /usr/share/xchat
[01:21] <Kyral> dnB: NFI ;P
[01:21] <dnB> Seveas, thanks
[01:21] <nipplesrulz> personal opinion and all
[01:21] <Cokey> well is there something else to open .nzb files in powerpc?
[01:22] <dnB> Kyral, :)
[01:22] <cafuego> What is a .nzb file?
[01:22] <cafuego> Apart from BZN in reverse?
[01:22] <Seveas> nipplesrulz, ditching windows and using Ubuntu exclusively would be better
[01:22] <Zugwrack> Anyone tell me a easy way to cat a list together of files I just installed with synaptic?
[01:23] <Cokey> its from usenet
[01:23] <tipnmo> could anyone help me with alittle dirver install problem (first try at linux)
[01:23] <kemik> Seveas:  everybody cant do tht :(
[01:23] <Zugwrack> Or does synaptic keep a log?
[01:23] <Cokey> downloading programs, movies, music
[01:23] <tipnmo> i follow the directions exactly
[01:23] <cafuego> Zugwrack: synaptic keeps a log
[01:23] <kemik> for.ex. there's no skype+wine&broodwar love in ubuntu
[01:23] <tipnmo> and i get this ian@tipnmo:~/rtl8180-0.21$ make && make install
[01:23] <tipnmo> Makefile:8: /lib/modules/2.6.12-9-386/build/.config: No such file or directory
[01:23] <tipnmo> make: *** No rule to make target `/lib/modules/2.6.12-9-386/build/.config'.  Stop.
[01:23] <Cokey> when you save them off of a website their .nzb files
[01:23] <kemik> (and the ATI drivers in breezy are horrible)
[01:23] <nipplesrulz> Seveas currently with a dual boot box and a linux only box..
[01:23] <Seveas> .nzb is not usable on linux
[01:23] <Cokey> what?
[01:23] <Cokey> for real?
[01:23] <nipplesrulz> till i get better at a few things i need it >_<
[01:23] <dnB> Seveas, knzb?
[01:23] <Zugwrack> cafuego: Thanks..in /var/log? Or in the synaptic dir?
[01:23] <Seveas> nipplesrulz, I never used either one of those, so I can't say
[01:23] <nipplesrulz> besides there is no good replacement for utorrent.com
[01:23] <crimsun> tipnmo: install linux-headers-$(uname -r), build-essential and gcc-3.4
[01:23] <Seveas> dnB, are you kidding me?
[01:24] <Seveas> !info knzb
[01:24] <dnB> !info knzb
 Package 'knzb' does not exist.
[01:24] <dnB> wtf
[01:24] <dnB> brb
[01:24] <cafuego> Zugwrack: Syanptic -> File-> History
[01:24] <tipnmo> i did get build ess.
[01:24] <Cokey> no just .nzb
[01:24] <Zugwrack> cafuego: Kewl thanks!!
[01:24] <Cokey> no knzb
[01:24] <earldude1> Why is it that apache 2 gets installed in the /etc/ directory when I read about tutorials that say the server is supposed to be installed in /usr/local/web/apache???
[01:24] <dnB> Seveas, http://dmp.org.uk/linux/knzb/
[01:25] <cmatheson> earldude1: that would only be if you compiled it yourself
[01:25] <dnB> woot.
[01:25] <cafuego> NZB looks like it might be proprietary
[01:25] <earldude1> oh.
[01:25] <Seveas> earldude1, apache does not get installed anywhere specifically
[01:25] <Seveas> earldude1, dpkg -L apache2
[01:25] <cmatheson> earldude1: and it's only the config files going in /etc/, the binaries go in /usr/sbin, libs go in /usr/lib, etc.
[01:25] <earldude1> It doesn't?
[01:25] <Seveas> earldude1, and those tutorials clearly suck
[01:25] <Cokey> go to www.nzbsrus.com
[01:25] <dnB> cafuego, Knzb is a KDE binary newsgroup download tool. It parses and loads nzb files, such as those from Newzbin.com (An nzb file is an xml 'index' file, for news posts).
[01:25] <earldude1> yeah I can see that
[01:26] <Cokey> RIGHT!
[01:26] <incipiens> hi all
[01:26] <cafuego> Cokey: http://docs.newzbin.com/WhatIsAnNZBFile  -> Scroll down to Linux/UNIX
[01:26] <Cokey> now how do i open those files?
[01:26] <earldude1> seveas, what is the dpkg -L apache2 command do?
[01:26] <incipiens> ich kann Pan nicht aufrufen
[01:26] <Zugwrack> Anyone tell me if I have to do anything special after I mark myself away to show as being back active? X-Chat
[01:26] <cmatheson> earldude1: lists the files in the apache2 package
[01:26] <HymnToLife> Zugwrack > /back
[01:26] <cafuego> Cokey: ... then try to install any of those clients using synaptic or apt-get first.
[01:26] <Zugwrack> HymnToLife: thank you...
[01:26] <Seveas> incipiens, apt-get install pan
[01:26] <incipiens> ja das ging fehlerfrei
[01:27] <earldude1> hmm, well I guess whaT i'M REALLY trying to figure out here, is WHERE should I set up the actual web pages for apache?
[01:27] <Cokey> just search in synaptic?
[01:27] <cmatheson> earldude1: /var/www
[01:27] <incipiens> wenn ich dan pan oder Pan aufrufe tut sich nix
[01:27] <cafuego> dnB: Yeah, looks like a joyful warez and/or pr0n distribution format ;-)
[01:27] <cafuego> !de
[01:27] <ubotu> de is probably Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu und Kubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de resp. #kubuntu-de
[01:27] <HymnToLife> !de
[01:27] <tipnmo> crimsun: Package gcc-3.4 is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[01:27] <tipnmo> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[01:27] <tipnmo> is only available from another source
[01:27] <tipnmo> E: Package gcc-3.4 has no installation candidate
[01:27] <earldude1> Ok, and WHERE is the configuration file that I use to tell apache about my different web site?
[01:27] <cmatheson> earldude1: /etc/apache2
[01:27] <dnB> cafuego, it is indeed, its the only reason i still have windows boot
[01:28] <cafuego> Knnt euch vielleicht dort aus Deutsch weiter diskutieren?
[01:28] <Cokey> what do i do in apt-get?
[01:28] <Cokey> type in the program name?
[01:28] <Seveas> cafuego, #ubuntu-de
[01:28] <Seveas> :p
[01:28] <crimsun> tipnmo: you don't have the main repository enabled?
[01:28] <cafuego> Seveas: Zwei-Eins
[01:28] <incipiens> Seveas wie soll ich pan aufrufen?
[01:28] <Seveas>  /kick cafuego Drei
[01:28] <tipnmo> i dont know
[01:28] <HymnToLife> cafuego > is your CPU doing well after your latest /proc upgrae ? :p
[01:28] <cafuego> incipiens: Please join #ubuntu-de if you insist on not using english.
[01:28] <tipnmo> i dont think i have change anything
[01:29] <cafuego> HymnToLife: it simply _flies_
[01:29] <incipiens> ok i am sorry
[01:29] <HymnToLife> that rocks
[01:29] <tipnmo> i dont know how to re-enable the main repo.
[01:29] <incipiens> i was just asking how to start Pan after i installed it
[01:29] <HymnToLife> I'm gonna upgrade mine to 2,8 THz, it will kick some hard ass :p
[01:29] <cafuego> HymnToLife: I installed a spare athlonxp as i/o controller as well... repalces teh nforce chipset, that also made is WAY faster.
[01:30] <tj_> Seveas  i get update-rc.d not found
[01:30] <cafuego> HymnToLife: keep in mind you can't set it to a faster speed than INT_MAX via /proc
[01:30] <tj_> do i need to apt-get something
[01:30] <HymnToLife> too bad :(
[01:30] <tj_> this is ubuntu 5.10 server
[01:30] <cmatheson> tj_: did you do it as sudo?
[01:30] <MMond> He, I'm trying to put Linux on my laptop.. but this comes up after I press "enter" on boot (warty disc): Loading /install/vmlinux: Disk error 20, AX = 4280, drive 82 -- any words?
[01:31] <tj_> yeah sudo
[01:31] <B_166-ER> someone here told me to use Serpentine to make Audio cd based on mp3 files, but serpentine doesnt seems to add them to the list..
[01:31] <cafuego> MMond: try a different CD.
[01:31] <Cokey> i install nget from synaptic, now where do i find that program?
[01:31] <Razor-X> MMond: and also, don't use Warty
[01:31] <tj_> it weird, i thought that was a base command
[01:31] <Dido-> how should i reboot or turn off my pc ?
[01:32] <cmatheson> Cokey: /usr/bin?
[01:32] <ToR911> where does the java package install itself?
[01:32] <ToR911> and how do u do a file search in linux?
[01:33] <Kyral> locate
[01:33] <cmatheson> ToR911: find or locate
[01:33] <MMond> Alright, just put in the newer one, wish me luck. And I might as well ask now -- I want to have Linux fill the entire drive now . . . and I know nothing of partitioning and such things -- any specific link, or source I can consult to know things of that a bit to manage that part of the installation?
[01:33] <Cokey> huh?
[01:33] <earldude1> Hey Thanks cmatheson, seveas, and everyone else for your help.  This irc channel ROCKS
[01:33] <Dido-> ToR911 or by the menu bar > places> search
[01:34] <ToR911> where does the java package install itself?
[01:34] <Cokey> what is that?
[01:34] <earldude1> ..and so does linux, and ubuntu specifically
[01:34] <cmatheson> ToR911: well, it's in a pretty funky location, but if you want to use it then run 'sudo update-alternatives --config java'
[01:34] <tipnmo> so how can i enable the main repository??
[01:34] <cmatheson> tipnmo: uncomment it in /etc/apt/sources.list?
[01:35] <MMond> Okay, I have warty on  my laptop currently . . . if I do "apt-get dist-upgrade" - can I expect everything to work out alright?
[01:35] <cmatheson> MMond: hmm, you may want to dist-upgrade to hoary, and then to breezy
[01:35] <earldude1> how do I log in as root?  ubuntu doesn't let me.  I realize you can sudo, but why can't I root as well ?
[01:35] <cmatheson> earldude1: there isn'at a root-account
[01:35] <sethk> earldude1,you can, actually
[01:35] <cmatheson> earldude1: i just use 'sudo -s' to get a root shell, but you can run 'sudo passwd' to make a root account
[01:35] <Dr_Willis> faq #1 :P thats 3 times tonight.
[01:35] <MMond> cmatheson: So then I should type "apt-get dist-upgrade Hoary" exactly? :s
[01:36] <sethk> and there certainly is a root account
[01:36] <sethk> there is just not a root password set by the default install
[01:36] <bimberi> well there is, but it's disabled
[01:36] <factotum> sure is, well on my system heh
[01:36] <Dr_Willis> 'logging in directly to the root account is disabled'
[01:36] <sethk> however there is a root password set during the expert install
[01:36] <Subhuman> earldude1, u can do sudo -i -H to stay as root.then type "exit" when uy are doen
[01:36] <bimberi> earldude1: sudo -i    will give you a root shell
[01:36] <sethk> bimberi, no, it is not disabled.  It just needs to have the password set
[01:36] <ToR911> cmatheson: this will set the default java to the new java i installed?
[01:36] <cmatheson> MMond: no, you're going to have to edit your /etc/apt/sources.list and change all references to 'warty' to 'hoary' and then apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
[01:36] <cmatheson> ToR911: yes, you can choose the new one from a list
[01:36] <ToR911> ty
[01:36] <factotum> sudo passwd root -password- something like that
[01:37] <sethk> no, just  sudo passwd
[01:37] <Dr_Willis> factotum,  shame... :P
[01:37] <factotum> haha
[01:37] <factotum> sorry, just got home
[01:37] <factotum> kinda out of it atm
[01:37] <Dr_Willis> heh - my house is a total mad house - with relatives in for the holidays.
[01:37] <factotum> argh, i know how that goes
[01:37] <sethk> were there no root account, the system wouldn't even run.  Most of the early processes are owned by root
[01:37] <earldude1> I did the sudo passwd root, but then If I try to login to the gdm it tells me I can't, I don't remember the message, something about not allowing that root access there.
[01:38] <Dr_Willis> earldude1,  gdm also has 'root' logging in disabled.
[01:38] <earldude1> but I like all of the other solutions
[01:38] <tipnmo> ok well i know this is a horribly dumb question.. but i dont have a clue how to login in root
[01:38] <Dr_Willis> earldude1,  thats a gdm security feature.,
[01:38] <Cokey> yea i can find it in /usr/bin but its 47KB
[01:38] <Cokey> i figure thats too small
[01:38] <cmatheson> earldude1: gdm doesn't allow you to by default... you'll have to edit your /etc/gdm.conf or something like that... but it's not recommended to log into X as root
[01:38] <sethk> earldude1, you want to log into X as root?  That can be done but it's a really bad idea
[01:38] <Cokey> and nothing happens when i click it
[01:38] <factotum> I still have about a week before that sets in, thought it was bad before, then I got married! Har! sorry... off topic, I know
[01:38] <Cokey> how do i install it?
[01:38] <cmatheson> */etc/gdm/gdm.conf
[01:38] <Cokey> i d/led it from synaptic
[01:39] <earldude1> Ok, thanks everyone.  I'll take your word for it... and use the other solutions for temporarily SUDO'ing in a terminal window
[01:39] <earldude1> wow, quick answers!!!
[01:39] <MMond> I've a ridiculously stupid question.. how do I shut down the computer in CLI? "shutdown now" doesn't entirely work
[01:39] <siko> halt -p
[01:39] <factotum> sudo shutdown -h now ?
[01:39] <sethk> earldude1, you can do either type of root access in a terminal window
[01:40] <Snake785> sudo init 0 could work as well
[01:40] <curtis-mac> i have a question about the install, this is y first go and im haveing a problem after i am asked to remove the disk and reboot, i am getting stuck at the pre-boot execution enviornment and get the disk boot failure, insert system disk and press enter error
[01:40] <MMond> And all of these things should be "safe" to do?
[01:40] <marky> Hi all
[01:40] <earldude1> cool
[01:40] <mrkoje> MMond,  not sure with ubuntu but fedora you could    telinit 0
[01:40] <Snake785> they all shutdown the pc properly
[01:40] <factotum> MMond: yeah you'll be okay
[01:40] <sethk> MMond, you can do   shutdown -h now
[01:40] <tipnmo> anybody? how to login as root?
[01:40] <nipplesrulz> no need
[01:40] <nipplesrulz> just use sudo
[01:41] <mrkoje> tipnmo,  you don't.... you use sudo
[01:41] <nipplesrulz> if you MUST use root then " sudo passwd root "
[01:41] <sethk> tipnmo, yes, I know how, but why do you want to?
[01:41] <nipplesrulz> but you can do almost anything with sudo
[01:41] <sethk> nipplesrulz, just plain sudo passwd
[01:41] <nipplesrulz> that way you stay out of the habbit of using root
[01:41] <nipplesrulz> sethk right.. im in the habbit of always defining the username lol
[01:41] <tipnmo> to edit sources.list
[01:41] <sethk> tipnmo, using visudo, you can configure to allow your user to do anything specific that root can do
[01:42] <sethk> tipnmo, so the risk of the more general su is thought to be a bad idea
[01:42] <marky> anyone know change file assosiations? so movies don't open up in totem?
[01:42] <Cokey> it says that i d/led nget from synaptic? now where do i find it?
[01:42] <nipplesrulz> you didnt have it just install it Cokey?
[01:42] <Cokey> i got it from synaptic
[01:43] <nipplesrulz> yeah then its installed already
[01:43] <Cokey> i found it in /usr/bin
[01:43] <Cokey> but its 47KB
[01:43] <nipplesrulz> eh
[01:43] <Cokey> isnt that too small?
[01:43] <cpare> Hello all
[01:43] <Yuri> hello!
[01:43] <nipplesrulz> thats only the executable bit most likely i think
[01:43] <Cokey> where do i find it?
[01:43] <fushi> Can anyone help with apache? (seems #apache is a bit dead)
[01:43] <Snake785> I have a question about running KDE apps in Ubuntu.  I keep getting this error with DCOP.  I've done a lot of searching on ubutuforums.org and via google but I still can't get any kde app from running.  The details for this message is "Could not read network connection list.  Please check that the 'dcopserver' program is running"  Does anyone have any suggestions to solving this? Thanks
[01:43] <sethk> marky, look at preferred applications on the system menu
[01:43] <nipplesrulz> sup cpare
[01:43] <nipplesrulz> what exactly do you need with it Cokey?
[01:43] <Cokey> to d/l nzb files
[01:44] <marky> snake785 are you using bluetooth?
[01:44] <Dido-> When ubuntu starts I get this massage: your $/home.dtmc (or something like that) has illegal permission this prevents you from saving the session bla bl.... how could i fix that
[01:44] <Razor-X> nipplesrulz: would you please change your nickname? this is a family channel
[01:44] <Yuri> Any brazillian ubuntu users here? :P
[01:44] <chrisx1> How do i kill a process
[01:44] <MMond> Two more trivial questions: What exactly does Ctrl+S and Ctrl+D do?
[01:44] <Dido-> i've never edited something like this
[01:44] <Snake785> I dont have any bluetooth devices
[01:44] <marky> thanks sethk
[01:44] <sethk> Snake785, starting dcopserver sounds like a reasonable thing to try.
[01:44] <Cokey> where do i find it?
[01:44] <marky> ctrl d add bookmark
[01:44] <fushi> ctrl+s saves I guess :o
[01:44] <Razor-X> Yuri: if you need to speak another language, there are a multitude of non-English Ubuntu support channels
[01:44] <dwhsix> sethk: that only does web browser, mail reader, terminal...
[01:45] <chrisx1> How do i kill a process
[01:45] <MMond> I know Ctrl+D logs out, but what else does it do? I'm reading a guide, this is what it does but I don't really understand: "Send [End-of-File]  to the current process."
[01:45] <sethk> dwhsix, yes, but your web browser is also your file browser
[01:45] <cmatheson> christel: kill <pid> or killall <process_name>
[01:45] <Razor-X> MMond: depends on the app
[01:45] <bimberi> Cokey: looks like nget is a command-line program (type nget in a terminal).  klibido might be a better choice
[01:45] <Yuri> tks Razor, but write in english isn't a problem to me (i guess :P)
[01:45] <cmatheson> MMond: yes, so if you're using something that wants to read in til it hits EOF (like mail), you could hit ^D to simulate the EOF
[01:46] <cpare> someone got a moment for an easy one...
[01:46] <MMond> Razor-X: Yes.. just a term window
[01:46] <marky> sethk that preffered applications on the system menu only changes 3 things
[01:46] <Snake785> sethk: The output from running dcopserver is /usr/bin/iceauth: /tmp/dcopPfMg8b:1 bad "add" command line; /usr/bin/iceauth: /tmp/dcopPfMg8b:2 bad "add" command line; DCOPServer self-test failed. Any ideas?
[01:46] <Razor-X> MMond: I believe basic BASH options follow along with emacs binds
[01:46] <MMond> Or well, I'm actually on complete CLI right now, and I wish to know how things work so I make the most of it
[01:46] <Cokey> ok....
[01:46] <marky> can't change the
[01:46] <cmatheson> Razor-X: you can configure it to be like vi
[01:46] <marky> so mpegs are in vlc etv
[01:46] <Razor-X> cmatheson: yeah, that you can
[01:46] <marky> etc*
[01:46] <sethk> Snake785, I would probably log into KDE.  That will get all the KDE stuff up and running and configured.  After that, if you log out and log back into gnome, you should be able to start dcopserver from the command line
[01:46] <Razor-X> MMond: C-d will delete the character underneath the point
[01:46] <dwhsix> sethk: so I guess one just needs to change the file associations in firefox or whatever web browser?
[01:47] <bimberi> ubotu tell marky about defaultapp
[01:47] <Snake785> I've tried that, but KDE won't start, I'll get that DCOP error and I'll get brought back to the login screen
[01:47] <Cokey> where do i find klibido....?
[01:47] <bimberi> hm, looks like ubotu is down
[01:47] <marky> :(
[01:47] <sethk> dwhsix, typically, yes.  KDE has a separate config dialog for it, but what it controls is konqueror
[01:47] <crimsun> ubotu: !test
[01:47] <Razor-X> MMond: C-b will move the point backwards one character, C-f will move the point forward one character, M-p brings up the last command in the terminal
[01:47] <tj_> Hey guys i figured out the update-rc.d command
[01:47] <dwhsix> hmm
[01:47] <tj_> it goes like this sudo update-rc.d noip2.sh defaults 90
[01:48] <Razor-X> MMond: if you want research into this stuff, I suggest you first decide whether you prefer vi or emacs style controls
[01:48] <sethk> Razor-X, try zsh.  It has millions of config options that you can spend a few months playing with if you are so inclined.
[01:48] <czer323> I'm trying to figure out some of the programs in the system> preferences menu.  Where are they listed?
[01:48] <sethk> Razor-X, I  much prefer zsh (to bash) for CLI
[01:48] <Razor-X> sethk: I use zsh, actually, and I love it :)
[01:48] <sethk> Razor-X, yes, the completion is amazing.
[01:48] <Kyral> zsh hmm?
[01:48] <Razor-X> incredible
[01:48] <bimberi> marky: do you mean file associations in nautilus?  if so, right-click on a file, select properties, then the Open With tab and change the setting
[01:48] <crimsun> has zsh fixed/added full UTF-8 support?
[01:48] <Kyral> Tell more!
[01:48] <cmatheson> what exactly does zsh do that bash doesn't?
[01:48] <Razor-X> and I've totally stopped using ``cd'' :)
[01:48] <marky> ah....
[01:48] <marky> lemme try iy
[01:48] <Razor-X> (AUTO-CD kicks arse :)
[01:48] <Kyral> Auto-CD?
[01:49] <sethk> cmatheson, bunches of small things which, aggregated, reduce the amount of typing by a huge amount
[01:49] <Kyral> TELL ME MORE NOW!!
[01:49] <dwhsix> bimberi: that's it
[01:49] <Razor-X> cmatheson: BASH's completion sucks, really, and it's not nearly as scriptable or configurable as ZSH
[01:49] <Cokey> ok i found klibido, but its .tar.gz how do i open this?
[01:49] <Cokey> or install it?
[01:49] <Cokey> any help?
[01:49] <sethk> Kyral, autocd means that if you type a directory name, the shell (after realizing that it isn't a command or alias) assumes it is a directory name, and CDs to it
[01:49] <cmatheson> Razor-X: sethk: interesting, i'll have to check that out
[01:49] <Yuri> i want to tell about performance on ubuntu
[01:49] <Dr_Willis> I tend to use that "Bash Completion" package.
[01:49] <Razor-X> Kyral: auto-cd, if you enter the name of a folder, it'll go there by default, unless it conflicts with the name of a program in your path (although it's not enabled by default)
[01:49] <Kyral> sethk: jaw drop
[01:49] <hyphenated> cmatheson: the thing that zsh does that bash doesn't is spawn zealots ;-)
[01:49] <sethk> cmatheson, some of the best features aren't on by default.  The best way to learn it is to turn on one at a time
[01:49] <bimberi> Cokey: did you install it using Synaptic?
[01:49] <marky> bimberi thats exactly it.......... thanks for bei ng so helpfull
[01:50] <sethk> Kyral, there is also auto-pushd, which turns every CD into a pushd
[01:50] <tj_> Yuri, having performance issues?
[01:50] <bimberi> marky: np :)
[01:50] <Kyral> wtf is a pushd?
[01:50] <sethk> Kyral, pushd and popd are directory stack commands.
[01:50] <Cokey> no it doesnt find it
[01:50] <Razor-X> cmatheson: plus, a lot of cool features from KSH and dare I say it, the *few* useful features from csh shell variants have been added here (like !!)
[01:50] <Cokey> does it for you?
[01:50] <Yuri> i have 1Gb of memory but i'm feeling some overhead on my system
[01:50] <shinu> im getting this error while compiling k3b from source and installing using checkinstall:  trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/kde3/kcm_k3bsetup2.la', which is also in package k3blibs
[01:50] <shinu> any idea how to come over it?
[01:50] <sethk> Kyral, I frequently do this:    pushd;  whatever weird stuff I want to do;  popd
[01:50] <Cokey> i d/led the .tar.gz from sourceforge
[01:50] <cmatheson> gee that zsh sounds great
[01:50] <sethk> Kyral, and I end up in the same directory that I started in
[01:50] <Razor-X> shinu: prepend a ``sudo''
[01:50] <Kyral> sethk: I have no clue what it means
[01:50] <Cokey> i got that now, now i dont know how to install it
[01:50] <sethk> cmatheson, zsh is really worth learning
[01:50] <MMond> Razor-X: Ahh - (missed your message, just got it) and thanks
[01:50] <sethk> Kyral, the zsh docs are quite good
[01:51] <crimsun> I used zsh exclusively for many years
[01:51] <Kyral> sethk: which package
[01:51] <czer323> what's the main difference between sudo and gksudo?
[01:51] <sethk> Kyral, bash also has pushd/popd, by the way
[01:51] <tj_> Yuri, i have had some issues with Video card drivers slowing me down
[01:51] <Razor-X> MMond: although, the first step for all of this, I think, is to pick your favorite terminal emulator
[01:51] <shinu> Razor-X: sudo checkinstall make install? i did that.
[01:51] <Kyral> zsh, zsh-beta, or zsh30?
[01:51] <sethk> Kyral, in synaptic, there is a category of "shells"
[01:51] <sethk> Kyral, zsh
[01:51] <crimsun> sadly the utf-8 default migration killed me
[01:51] <bimberi> shinu: uninstall k3blibs
[01:51] <Kyral> sethk: I use apt-get
[01:51] <Razor-X> crimsun: can you hop by offtopic and help me decide on a keyboard to get?
[01:51] <Kyral> you idiot ;P
[01:51] <Razor-X> shinu: ``sudo checkinstall'' simply
[01:51] <Kyral> NO!
[01:51] <sethk> Kyral, I always let everybody else find the bugs in betas for me.  :)
[01:51] <Yuri> tj_, i don't have video card... my video is onboard...
[01:51] <shinu> bimberi: ok ill give that a try
[01:51] <crimsun> Razor-X: I use a standard keyboard with a dvorak keymap
[01:51] <Kyral> CheckInstall evil
[01:51] <crimsun> Razor-X: but sure
[01:52] <shinu> Razor-X: ill try what bimberi said maybe
[01:52] <sethk> Kyral, I'd have to look up the package name, but I would bet that it starts with zsh  :)
[01:52] <Kyral> sethk: I just did Apt-Cache search zsh ;P
[01:52] <Razor-X> crimsun: I also use Dvorak, awesome, but I have the money, and it's Christmas, and it may just be an IBM Model M :)
[01:52] <Yuri> but i'm felling my system slowing down with ubuntu...
[01:52] <bimberi> Cokey: it's much better to install using synaptic
[01:52] <tj_> Have you done all ubuntu updates?
[01:52] <MMond> Razor-X: I screwed up my X sometime ago . . . and fixing this seems hopeless now, I've been at it for days, months really . . . couldn't get it. As absrud as this sounds now -- I think I'll make my way with this. Perhaps find a few IM clients that work on CLI, I already use w3m, and other similar things . . . don't know, I think I'll wrestle with the idea.
[01:52] <sethk> Kyral, I think you can get the package name out of synaptic.  hold on.
[01:52] <Kyral> sethk: I'm NOT using Synaptic
[01:52] <Razor-X> Yuri: odd, my system flies on Ubuntu with 256 MB RAM
[01:52] <Yuri> god...
[01:52] <Razor-X> MMond: you sound like me, only, X never worked on my first Debian install
[01:52] <Yuri> so, whats wrong
[01:52] <sethk> Kyral, that's why I was going to get the package name for you
[01:53] <tristanmike> quick question...how do I pause the scrolling text at boot in Hoary?
[01:53] <Razor-X> MMond: lemme tell you, it's the *only* way to learn the CLI thoroughly
[01:53] <Razor-X> :)
[01:53] <Yuri> i was installed system with default option
[01:53] <sethk> Kyral, if you were using synaptic, you wouldn't need the package name.
[01:53] <Kyral> MMond: naim
[01:53] <cmatheson> MMond: centericq is a pretty decent cli im client
[01:53] <Yuri> no boot parameters
[01:53] <Cokey> how do i do that?
[01:53] <ToR911> ok this is probably an extra newbie question, but why sometimes commands (IE: Main) pressing "Main" do not work, and "./Main" does  (when Main is in my Dir)
[01:53] <MMond> Hehe, then I'll have fun. Kyral: Hrm?
[01:53] <Cokey> i cant find it!
[01:53] <cmatheson> tristanmike: you ccan't... but you could try 'dmesg | less' after you log in
[01:53] <bimberi> tristanmike: try CTRL-S (CTRL-Q to resume) - a guess tho
[01:53] <MMond> cmatheson: Only ICQ, then?
[01:53] <Kyral> MMond: When I am forced out of X (Gotta love Dapper :D) then I use Naim for AIM
[01:53] <Razor-X> MMond: in order to make your life easier: try out twin to get a desktop manager without X, check out centericq for a behemoth (a huge app)
[01:54] <kakei> does any one uses ubuntu and have try to use w32codecs or exist w64codecs?
[01:54] <cmatheson> MMond: no... it does at least icq/aol/m$n/yahoo and i thinhk jabber too
[01:54] <tristanmike> cool, I'll try both, thanx
[01:54] <MMond> Kyral: On, Naim is a CLI for AIM? Cool, I'll try it . . . within the hour
[01:54] <tj_> Any ideas for Yuri guys, performance for me has been great with 512 ram and 1.8 gig pentium
[01:54] <Razor-X> MMond: if ALSA works alright for you, I suggest using cplay for music (it's a frontend for other CLI apps)
[01:54] <coag> cmatheson: yes jabber and IRC
[01:54] <Yuri> on windows (urgh...) i don't feel my system slowing down...
[01:54] <MMond> cmatheson: Oh wow, that's.. a lot, surely fills my need. Thank you for the suggestion :D
[01:54] <cmatheson> coag: good call
[01:54] <ToR911> why sometimes commands (IE: Main) pressing "Main" do not work, and "./Main" does  (when Main is in my Dir)
[01:54] <Kyral> sethk: did you get the packagename?
[01:54] <tj_> yuri, amd or intel
[01:55] <bimberi> Cokey: where can't you find it? in synaptic
[01:55] <Yuri> AMD
[01:55] <cpare> Can someone explain what the sounds are I keep hearing on my Ubuntu machine - is it the wireless card?
[01:55] <bimberi> ?
[01:55] <Razor-X> MMond: for video, MPlayer of course, you may also want to try out svgalib for image viewing
[01:55] <Yuri> duron applebred 1800Mhz
[01:55] <sklav> ToR911, ./ says to execute it  directly
[01:55] <tj_> amd for me is even faster
[01:55] <Kyral> Razor-X: I prefer VLC lol
[01:55] <sethk> Kyral, I'm seeing zsh-doc and zsh so far.  But you said you didn't find either.
[01:55] <ClayG> MMond: centericq is better
[01:55] <cpare> out of nowhere "Briiip"
[01:55] <markrian> I'm having some trouble with wine. If I run winecfg and then click the audio tab, it crashes out and gives the error shown on this page: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/5682
[01:55] <Razor-X> MMond: and if you really want the poor-man's image, use an ASCII converter :)
[01:55] <Kyral> sethk: I found Zsh and others lol
[01:55] <Razor-X> Kyral: he doesen't have X
[01:55] <sklav> but if you copied the program to /bin which is in your path it would work without the ./
[01:55] <sethk> Kyral, ok, good.
[01:55] <cpare> in the other room getting a drink "Briip"
[01:55] <bulio|lap> got a problem
[01:55] <MMond> Razor-X: My sound never worked, actually. Well really, when I first put the Linux disc in for the first time to give it a shot . . . I wasn't expecting much compatibility, since this laptop is an old and obscure one. (Although has served my 6 years of heavenly use)
[01:55] <Cokey> i search for it
[01:55] <bulio|lap> I have 2 CD rom drives
[01:55] <Cokey> nothing comes up
[01:55] <Kyral> I'm just asking the difference
[01:55] <cpare> :)
[01:55] <sethk> Kyral, you need at least zsh and zsh-doc.  well, you don't need zsh-doc, but you want it.
[01:56] <Cokey> is that not right?
[01:56] <ClayG> anyone know a way to take off "auto preview"  for when you mouse over a mp3 and it plays?
[01:56] <ClayG> it's killing me
[01:56] <Yuri> in another distros, like kurumin (a fork of knoppix), my system runs very fast
[01:56] <MMond> But on that, I was just wondering last thing if that was possible -- having sound work while on complete CLI -- very glad that you just told me of this
[01:56] <sklav> example /bin/sh is not local in that directory
[01:56] <Razor-X> MMond: maybe you want to do research on that -- use links2, links, or lynx for web-surfing
[01:56] <tj_> yuri have you done all updates
[01:56] <Yuri> yes
[01:56] <tj_> there is a kernel update
[01:56] <bimberi> Cokey: do you have the universe repository enabled?
[01:56] <Yuri> they finished now
[01:56] <ClayG> nm found it
[01:56] <Razor-X> MMond: (or firefox with SVGAlib) and you should get comfy with a text editor, quickly
[01:56] <sklav> but your script needs /bin/sh to execute the commands
[01:56] <Razor-X> MMond: a robust one, preferable, if you have no X
[01:56] <tj_> kde or gnome?
[01:56] <sklav> ./says relative to /
[01:56] <MMond> night* lynx for web browsing, yes, used that -- although I prefer w3m, perhaps it may be because that's the only thing I've used so far thoroughly
[01:56] <Razor-X> MMond: and also get very comfy with screen
[01:56] <ClayG> I love screen
[01:57] <Razor-X> MMond: *whap* and w3m, of course :)
[01:57] <B_166-ER> i have this error when i try to install a package -that should- normally install... (its in french, but ubuntu-fr cannot help me) 'dpkg: Les fichiers de dtournements a une ligne trop longue ou EOF (ii)       '
[01:57] <sklav> or something like that its been a while since it was explained to me
[01:57] <ToR911> sklav: but the file is in MY directory, why won't executing its name work?
[01:57] <Razor-X> MMond: but, actually, if you use twin, you won't need screen :)
[01:57] <bulio|lap> is there a command to make Ubuntu ignore my CD burner during install?
[01:57] <Kyral> sethk: I can still run my bash scripts by specifying #!/bin/bash, right?
[01:57] <cmatheson> bulio|lap: why would you want t o?
[01:57] <sklav> ToR911, because unless you have a bin/bash or bin sh path within your directory it wont
[01:57] <sethk> Kyral, yes, of course.  assuming there is a program /bin/bash  :)
[01:57] <sklav> as i mentionned ./ means relative to /
[01:57] <sklav> example cd /
[01:57] <sklav> cd bin/sh
[01:57] <Razor-X> ClayG: it's used for a bit different purpose, but if you like the way it works, it's incredible, and without X, it's a godsend :)
[01:58] <sklav> oops
[01:58] <sklav> cd /bin
[01:58] <cmatheson> ClayG: you could also try 'apt-cache show twin'... it appears to be a windowing system for console apps
[01:58] <sklav> execute sh
[01:58] <sklav> and so on
[01:58] <sklav> in your home
[01:58] <bulio|lap> is there a command to make Ubuntu ignore my CD burner during install?
[01:58] <sklav> there is no cd bin
[01:58] <Cokey> yea...
[01:58] <Cokey> just did it
[01:58] <Yuri> anyone knows a channel specialized on ubuntu performance?
[01:58] <ClayG> show? nice  - adds to collection
[01:58] <Cokey> still doesnt find it
[01:58] <sethk> bulio|lap, you've been answered already more than once
[01:58] <Dr_Willis> ClayG,  'twin' is VERY interesting. but in some ways very annoying. :P
[01:58] <Razor-X> Yuri: scour the wiki, you'll find something there for sure
[01:58] <ClayG> hmm
[01:58] <Yuri> tks razor
[01:58] <sklav> brb
[01:58] <Yuri> i'll take a look
[01:58] <Kyral> wtf
[01:58] <sklav> im hungry
[01:59] <Kyral> I cannot backspace in ZSH
[01:59] <bulio|lap> no cd bin?
[01:59] <Razor-X> Kyral: you're going to have to configure lots of stuff, at first
[01:59] <bulio|lap> I type that at install boot?
[01:59] <Kyral> well its good that Bash is still default
[01:59] <bimberi> Cokey: did you update repositories after the change (Reload button in synaptic)?
[01:59] <Cokey> yea its enabled
[01:59] <Razor-X> Kyral: so, backspace is ^H on your box, I imagine?
[01:59] <Cokey> still doesnt find it
[01:59] <ClayG> Kyral: get ready for fun with lynx and mplayer
[01:59] <MMond>  <Razor-X> MMond: for video, MPlayer of course, you may also want to try out svgalib for image viewing <- Eh? And I am forcing myself to use vim instead of nano or other text editors . . . right now I'm seeing less use of it, but many programmars told me otherwise, so I just am
[01:59] <Kyral> Razor-X: I dunno
[01:59] <Vespoli> ;)(
[02:00] <Cokey> YEA
[02:00] <Razor-X> MMond: I suggest you investigate the emacs/vim fork in the road now
[02:00] <Cokey> NOTHING!
[02:00] <ClayG> MMond why is vim better than nano?
[02:00] <Cokey> THIS IS ANNOYING!
[02:00] <cmatheson> MMond: you will bless the day you switched to vim forever
[02:00] <Razor-X> MMond: it depends on your own style, really
[02:00] <Cokey> WTF!
[02:00] <cpare> sounds like "Yeow"
[02:00] <Vespoli> =P
[02:00] <Razor-X> MMond: but I can't find anything of compare to the two
[02:00] <MMond> Of your comment, I quickly thought you meant a video player for GUI . . . after some lines, I saw  you saying something like "He has CLI" -- I can view images on CLI?
[02:00] <JonasNorman> is vi like vim?
[02:00] <Razor-X> MMond: also, you want to try out mc if you want to manage files
[02:00] <JonasNorman> i got a book from the library for vi today
[02:00] <Dido-> reboot is for restarting, what's for turning off ?
[02:00] <Razor-X> JonasNorman: it's like vim, only horrible-er
[02:00] <Vespoli> Cokey, STOP TYPING IN CAPS
[02:00] <cmatheson> JonasNorman: vim is vi improved
[02:00] <bulio|lap> I just want to disable the CD burner
[02:00] <sklav> shutdown
[02:00] <Vespoli> =)
[02:00] <JonasNorman> oh darn
[02:01] <funkyHat> JonasNorman, vim is based on vi
[02:01] <bulio|lap> not my main CD
[02:01] <Vespoli> ok, doesn't matter. nano suits basic needs in my opinion.
[02:01] <sklav>  Dido- try shutdown -h now
[02:01] <JonasNorman> Razor-x: horrible-er lol
[02:01] <Vespoli> jinx
[02:01] <Cokey> ooooooooooooook
[02:01] <Vespoli> :io
[02:01] <Vespoli> * :O
[02:01] <Cokey> why doesnt this work/
[02:01] <Razor-X> JonasNorman: a history lesson in a nutshell: there were, at one time, two popular UNIX editors, a small, fast one called ed, and an infinitely customizable one called TECO
[02:01] <Vespoli> ubotu!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
[02:02] <Cokey> when i do the repositories to universal it doesnt stay that way
[02:02] <bimberi> Cokey: ok, paste the contents of /etc/apt/sources.list to http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/
[02:02] <Kyral> Meh where are the configfiles for zsh?
[02:02] <Dido-> sklav right, thanks, let me try ;)
[02:02] <Razor-X> JonasNorman: TECO was originally closed source, a programmable set of macros and commands was originall created for it called TECO emacs, and was a very powerful subset of TECO, somewhere along the line, emacs split off from TECO and formed its own. It later had other forks like the emacs and XEmacs fork
[02:02] <Dido-> sklav doesnt work
[02:03] <Cokey> permission denied?
[02:03] <Flashmatt> Linux Wireless Experts: Even though my WEP encryption is ON, Linux does not recognize that my BEFw11s4 has WEP on, does anyone know what settings I should change on the router to fix this???
[02:03] <Razor-X> JonasNorman: ed eventually upgraded into ex, which then upgraded to vi. vi forked into nvi, which was popular for a long time, until a more ``purist'' fork was devised called ``vim'', the current, popular, ed distillation
[02:03] <Vespoli> !help
[02:03] <Vespoli> :-/
[02:03] <Vespoli> :-\
[02:03] <yuri_> fglrx question: I am installing using the ati-installer and on the wiki It says I should choose "specific Distribution" and select Ubuntu. The driver I got is slightly newer than the one on the wiki, and "ubuntu" is not one of the options. There are a bunch of debian option however
[02:03] <cmatheson> Flashmatt: you should be able to turn WEP on w/ iwconfig
[02:04] <sorush20> guys is there a calculator program that allows you to write like you would with a pen so that you would not use * ^ ?
[02:04] <Flashmatt> cmatheson: I did, but when I do a "iwlist scan" I can see other routers with their setting "Encryption: on", but mine continues to say "off"
[02:04] <Dr_Willis> sorush20,  thats how i write with a pen. :P
[02:04] <sethk> Yuri, try the closest, hopefully for the same kernel version
[02:04] <cmatheson> Flashmatt: weird
[02:04] <sorush20> really
[02:04] <Cokey> ok bimberi
[02:04] <Cokey> i did it
[02:04] <Cokey> pasted it
[02:05] <cmatheson> sorush20: yeah what exactly did you have in mind?
[02:05] <B_166-ER> when i try to install a package i have this error : diversions file has too-long line or EOF
[02:05] <JonasNorman> Razor-X: Is emacs for the terminal
[02:05] <Flashmatt> cmatheson: tell me about it, I've been working on this for days; when I turn WEP off, it still says encryption off, but I can connect now, but I don't want to leave WEP off, you know?
[02:05] <cmatheson> JonasNorman: it can be yeah
[02:06] <cmatheson> Flashmatt: yeah... i always keep mine open so i'm not too clear on WEP issues
[02:06] <sorush20> so that the expressions would be written like you would right on paper , X instead of * then root sign instead of root
[02:06] <sorush20> etc
[02:06] <Rage__> Why does xv not work on ny system: Radeon 9600 with fglrx (xorg-driver-fglrx) it doesnt work in the multimedia selector or with mplayer?
[02:06] <Razor-X> JonasNorman: yep, it is
[02:06] <JonasNorman> Razor-X:  an that was a descendent of TECO, the more customizeable approach., while vim is from ed the small and fast.
[02:06] <yuri_> sethk: the options under debian are : deb/sarge, deb/3.0 , deb/testing, deb/unstable , deb/stable, and about 5 others
[02:06] <Razor-X> JonasNorman: install ``emacs-nox''
[02:06] <Razor-X> JonasNorman: exactly
[02:06] <cmatheson> sorush20: well i don't think there is a square root sign on the keyboard... i haven't heard of such a program though, sorry
[02:07] <bimberi> Cokey: aha, no klibido in hoary :( - apologies for leading you up _that_ garden path
[02:07] <Razor-X> and that still remains the big debate, which side of the alley you want
[02:07] <JonasNorman> Razor-X: at this point, which would you consider more customizeable and efficient for someone willing to take the high learning curver
[02:07] <Cokey> ok....
[02:07] <Razor-X> plus, the movement keys are pretty different, but they both support arrow-key movement
[02:07] <Cokey> now what do i do?
[02:07] <Rage__> fglrx works on my debian system on my laptop with xv...?
[02:07] <cmatheson> Razor-X: they're both pretty close now... emacs is probably still probably a little bit more customizeable w/ elisp though (but really vim is narrowing the gap everyday)
[02:07] <Flashmatt> cmatheson: thanks anyways
[02:07] <Razor-X> JonasNorman: I would say emacs, it's much more customizable, and eventually, you'll be able to do anything in it (terminals, go on IRC (like I am now), IM with people, play nethack, etc.)
[02:08] <bimberi> Cokey: back to nget i guess.  I don't know that program at all.  Others might.  Perhaps try typing nget in a terminal...
[02:08] <siriusnova> nedit > *
[02:08] <Flashmatt> Anyone else know how to setup their "router" for WEP?  I'm running a BEFW11S4
[02:08] <Razor-X> cmatheson: so I've heard, especially with the new vim irc client I've heard about :)
 MMond: also, you want to try out mc if you want to manage files <- Manage files? I can't imagine what else I could potentially do, other than what the basic commands already do (i.e., ls, cd, etc.)
[02:08] <siriusnova> Nedit > vim & emacs
[02:08] <siriusnova> :)
[02:08] <Cokey> i did member, and it didnt do anything
[02:08] <sethk> cmatheson, vim macros are really rather primitive.  but there are a number of things that gvim does better than emacs.  So I use both.
[02:08] <Cokey> nget.cc:1104:caught exception nget.cc:1015:ConfigExFatal: neither /home/ubuntu/.nget5/ nor /home/ubuntu/_nget5/ exist
[02:08] <Cokey> (see man nget for configuration info)
[02:08] <Cokey> ERRORS: 1 fatal
[02:08] <Razor-X> MMond: you may also want to check out joe, which is another quaint editor
[02:08] <Cokey> thats what it says
[02:08] <cmatheson> Razor-X: hehe, yeah.  although i tend to just use my editor for editing mostly (i use screen if i want to have lots of stuff in the same console)
[02:08] <JonasNorman> Razor-X: thanks. thanks for the history too
[02:09] <B_166-ER> is there a way to do a fsck  , on ubuntu, but whitout having it mounted ?
[02:09] <sethk> MMond, there are literally dozens of editors you can play with
[02:09] <Razor-X> MMond: there's lots you can't do without cp, cd, mv, and rm, trust me :)
[02:09] <bimberi> Cokey: mkdir ~/.nget5
[02:09] <bimberi> Cokey: then retry
[02:09] <Cokey> type that in?
[02:09] <bimberi> Cokey: yep
[02:09] <Razor-X> JonasNorman: no problem, it was for a project (self-project, that is) where I compiled all the popular command-line text editors
[02:09] <yuri_> can someone tell me what version of debian uses the same kernel as ubuntu?
[02:09] <cmatheson> sethk:yeah, there's nothing wrong w/ using both for sure.  i used to be a fairly devout emacs user but i didn't find myself using the super-rad functionality of emacs very often, and i was much more efficient w/ vim
[02:09] <MMond> Well I'm confounded . . . I don't feel very limited, I don't know what lies beyond! I'll be back in a few -- and I'll google the rest while
[02:10] <Razor-X> MMond: good luck
[02:10] <cmatheson> yuri_: none of them afaik
[02:10] <Razor-X> JonasNorman: compiled a list, of course :)
[02:10] <sethk> cmatheson, these days I do use vim much more often.  But if you want your macro to branch based on a condition, or anything similar, it's back to emacs for me.
[02:10] <B_166-ER> is there a way to do a fsck  , on ubuntu, but whitout having it mounted ?
[02:10] <JonasNorman> Razor-X: lol
[02:10] <bulio|lap> another borked CD
[02:10] <sethk> cmatheson, regular expression search and replace is at least 10 X faster with vim than with emacs
[02:10] <bulio|lap> I'm going to 4.10
[02:10] <bulio|lap> Ill apt-get
[02:10] <cmatheson> B_166-ER: you could run 'mount -o remount,ro / && fsck -f /dev/blah'
[02:10] <Razor-X> and also, joe is a deviant from wordstar, and nano is a deviant from pico, and you have other little emacs/vi clones that have slipped the cracks, like elVis (for Windows, I believe) and jemacs, joe equipped with emacs keybinds
[02:10] <yuri_> cmatheson: im trying to install ati drivers and the wiki said to choose "ubuntu." in this driver ubuntu is not an option... its slightly newer
[02:11] <SuperSox> have I just walked in on an editor war? :)
[02:11] <Cokey> yea that works
[02:11] <cmatheson> sethk: oh man i sure like that regexp search
[02:11] <Cokey> but thats f#cked!
[02:11] <Cokey> i have no idea how to use that?
[02:11] <Razor-X> SuperSox: nope, I was just explaining the different editors, their advantages, and disadvantages :)
[02:11] <B_166-ER> hm
[02:11] <cmatheson> yuri_: hmm, not sure... i don't have an ati card... but i would say the chances aren't good unless you can compile it yourself
[02:11] <cafuego> Seveas: Still awake?
[02:11] <Cokey> and how come wine doesnt work with powerpc?
[02:11] <sethk> cmatheson, emacs has it, but it is very very slow.  I haven't bothered to figure out why.
[02:11] <bimberi> Cokey: yeah, i guessed so, that's why i suggested klibido :P
[02:11] <Razor-X> Cokey: it probably relies on x86-specific code
[02:11] <SuperSox> Razor-X: hehe :)
[02:11] <cmatheson> sethk: that's wild.  i didn't know my regular expressions back in my emacs days
[02:12] <Razor-X> emacs regexps are truly horrible :)
[02:12] <yuri_> cmatheson: damn. ive been trying to set up my card for months
[02:12] <Cokey> shitty
[02:12] <Razor-X> I use sed for my regexps, plain and simple
[02:12] <Razor-X> but, emacs macros make up for that
[02:12] <cmatheson> yuri_: why not just use the ubuntu-packges?
[02:12] <Cokey> there are no progs that use GUI for .nzb d.ling?
[02:12] <yuri_> cmatheson: they dont work
[02:12] <bimberi> Cokey: a breezy upgrade will mean that klibido can be installed - it's GUI
[02:12] <cmatheson> yuri_: hmm, that is trouble
[02:13] <Cokey> huh?
[02:13] <Cokey> what does that mean?
[02:13] <bimberi> Cokey: hoary and breezy are releases of ubuntu (April '05 and October '05 respectively)
[02:13] <Cokey> i see
[02:13] <Cokey> im using a live c
[02:13] <Cokey> d
[02:13] <Cokey> so how does that work
[02:14] <Cokey> make a new cd?
[02:14] <cpare> Can someone explain the sounds my Ubuntu is making?
[02:14] <Kyral> what are they
[02:14] <Razor-X> Cokey: you want an install CD
[02:14] <Cokey> but i run mac tiger
[02:14] <Razor-X> Cokey: it'll work on PPC also
[02:14] <Cokey> i dont really know how to make a partition for mac.....and im kinda scared
[02:14] <Cokey> what will?
[02:14] <Razor-X> Cokey: ah, yeah, I was the first time too
[02:14] <cafuego> Cokey: The installer can resize your HFS+ partition.
[02:15] <Cokey> to what i want it to?
[02:15] <Razor-X> Cokey: of course, I gained my courage formatting an older machine about 9 times :)
[02:15] <Razor-X> Cokey: the installer should partition everything up for you
[02:15] <Cokey> using diskutility?
[02:15] <Cokey> o
[02:15] <cafuego> Cokey: That said, you should still back up all your data before starting.
[02:15] <Razor-X> Cokey: it only gets finicky with NTFS, which is a Windows FS
[02:15] <yuri_> does anyone have this instal file "ati-driver-installer-8.19.10-i386.run" from the ati website? there is a new version on the site and i need this one
[02:15] <Cokey> but when you partition, it also formats the disk doesnt it
[02:15] <Razor-X> yeah, listen to cafuego :)
[02:15] <cafuego> Cokey: no, disk utility can't do that without destroying stuff.
[02:15] <cafuego> Cokey: The 'parted' utility on the Linux install CD can do it.
[02:15] <Razor-X> Cokey: no, most utilities don't format when repartitioning, they can resize partitions
[02:16] <Cokey> which means it earases everything
[02:16] <Cokey> no?
[02:16] <Cokey> i thought it did
[02:16] <sorush20> guys qcalc does a  good job it type the root sign etc.
[02:16] <cafuego> Cokey: disk utility? yes.
[02:16] <Cokey> yea
[02:16] <Cokey> you can make a partition that way?
[02:16] <Razor-X> Cokey: nope, it takes the free space, and allocates it to another parition, but listen to cafuego when he says that disk utility formats everything
[02:16] <cafuego> Cokey: yes, but not whilst keeping your data, it will wipe EVERYTHING.
[02:16] <Cokey> i see
[02:17] <Razor-X> Cokey: you're going to want to use a utility from either the Live CD, or simply use the included partitioner on the installer, do NOT use disk utility
[02:17] <Cokey> well i can back up everything to my external correct
[02:17] <Razor-X> Cokey: of course
[02:17] <cafuego> Cokey: There is a payware tool (iPartition) that will resize and save data...
[02:17] <Cokey> how many cd's is ubuntu?
[02:17] <Kyral> 1
[02:17] <Razor-X> Cokey: 1 :)
[02:17] <Cokey> and does it come with its own boot strap?
[02:17] <Cokey> really?
[02:17] <cafuego> Cokey: if you're happy to backup and reinstall OSX plus all your apps, you can use disk util, yes.
[02:17] <Cokey> install also?
[02:17] <Razor-X> Cokey: yeah, it does
[02:17] <Razor-X> Cokey: yeah
[02:17] <Cokey> nasty
[02:17] <Kyral> Cokey: well, no
[02:17] <cafuego> Cokey: ubuntu comes on  one CD, but...
[02:17] <cafuego> !dstats breezy
[02:17] <cpare> Cokey: Just one
[02:18] <Kyral> Cokey: Live and Install are two CDs
[02:18] <Kyral> But we are working on it for Dapper
[02:18] <Razor-X> Kyral: hmmm... really?
[02:18] <siriusnova> there needs to be an Ubuntu DVD
[02:18] <cafuego> d'oh!
[02:18] <siriusnova> with everything possible on it
[02:18] <Kyral> Razor-X: Really
[02:18] <Cokey> so when i first start up my mac a box will come up to boot into linux or osx tiger?
[02:18] <Razor-X> I'm going to have to disagree on that point then
[02:18] <Kyral> siriusnova: not everyone has a DVD Burner
[02:18] <Razor-X> I think that a dedicated Ubuntu CD is best
[02:18] <siriusnova> true Kyral
[02:18] <cafuego> Cokey: ... there is a LOT more stuff available online, you cna get up to a few tens of GB if you really want *everything*
[02:18] <Razor-X> siriusnova: plus, a theory of mine is that, we've exceeded that ``golden ratio''
[02:19] <Cokey> what do you mean "everything"?
[02:19] <Kyral> Razor-X: huh?
[02:19] <Kyral> Cokey: Debian is on 30 CDs
[02:19] <Cokey> i just want to make a 4GB partition and run both on my mac
[02:19] <Kyral> THink about it ;P
[02:19] <Razor-X> siriusnova: the point at which the time it takes to distribute meaningful software programs over average bandwidth becomes short
[02:19] <cafuego> Cokey: Yes, it will give you a bootloader that allows you to choose between 'x' and 'l'. if you choose 'l', it will allow you to pick a Linux kernel, then boots.
[02:19] <Cokey> nice, and x is tiger?
[02:19] <Razor-X> siriusnova: with the advent of DVDs, we've again lost our Golden Ratio, it'll have to wait again for the bandwidth catches up
[02:19] <cafuego> indeed
[02:19] <Razor-X> Cokey: X is your GUI system
[02:19] <cafuego> Cokey: and 'c' is boot from cd.
[02:19] <Kyral> lol
[02:19] <sproingie> 30 cd's ... for those people who just don't like that whole "internet" thing
[02:19] <Cokey> word
[02:20] <cafuego> Razor-X: shut up
[02:20] <Kyral> CD-Rs are becoming like Floppies of old :D
[02:20] <Razor-X> cafuego: .... ok
[02:20] <Cokey> so i should d/l the install disk then?
[02:20] <Cokey> and run the disk and it'll partition for me
[02:20] <cpare> Ubuntu Sounds - Can anyone answer a question?
[02:20] <Kyral> cpare: what sounds lol
[02:20] <cafuego> Cokey: No, you should install Tiger first.
[02:20] <Razor-X> Kyral: yeah, but it takes two days on average bandwidth to downlad a DVD
[02:20] <Flashmatt> has anyone here gotten their WEP working?
[02:20] <Flashmatt> and is there an alternative?
[02:20] <Kyral> Razor-X: Thats why I said its on CD
[02:20] <HymnToLife> anyone knows where gaim' smileys image files are stored ?
[02:20] <Cokey> i already have it installed
[02:20] <siriusnova> wep works fine for me Flashmatt
[02:20] <Kyral> Razor-X: the combined disc will be a CD
[02:20] <Razor-X> Kyral: I know, I meant that for siriusnova
[02:20] <cafuego> Cokey: Well, fetch and burn the Ubuntu install CD, then boot the Tiger DVD and install.
[02:21] <Flashmatt> siriusnova: did you do anything special to get it working?
[02:21] <cpare> Kryal: My Ubuntu laptop makes random noises sometimes
[02:21] <Cokey> install tiger?
[02:21] <siriusnova> whats the problem Flashmatt - are you on a laptop?
[02:21] <MasterTsunami> mine bites me sometimes :/
[02:21] <Flashmatt> siriusnova: currently, yes, but the PC is running ubuntu
[02:21] <Cokey> again?
[02:21] <Kyral> cpare: so does mine lol, its like the CD Drive
[02:21] <cafuego> Cokey: yes, i understand, but you can't repartition without wiping, unless you use the Linux tools (and though they work, I can't guarantee 100% they won't mess up tiger anyway)
[02:21] <bimberi> cafuego: but if Cokey already has tiger he can resize during the ubuntu install?
[02:21] <cpare> Kryal: like perhaps the wireless card is on
[02:21] <HymnToLife> mine is REALY nasty
[02:21] <HymnToLife> sometimes it boots Windows
[02:21] <cpare> Kryal: or perhaps someone has connected
[02:21] <bimberi> cafuego: nvm :)
[02:22] <Cokey> right
[02:22] <cpare> Kryal: not a hardware sound
[02:22] <Cokey> thats what im asking
[02:22] <siriusnova> i disabled acpi and pnpbios with acpi=off and pnpbios=off because I have a Thinkpad 600E whose ACPI is badly broken, without acpi and pnpbios off I couldnt get a dhcp lease from the dhcp server
[02:22] <cpare> Kryal: :)
[02:22] <Cokey> if i just run the install CD
[02:22] <cafuego> Cokey: So either way, start by backup up EVERYTHING :-)
[02:22] <visita> ai blz galera
[02:22] <Kyral> cpare: without hearing the sound its hard to diagnose lol
[02:22] <Cokey> obviously
[02:22] <Cokey> then put in the install cd for ubuntu
[02:22] <Cokey> ?
[02:22] <cpare> Kryal: or perhaps the wireless card is finding a base station
[02:22] <siriusnova> i also disabled plug and play in the bios
[02:22] <Flashmatt> siriusnova: when you do an *iwlist scan* does your router show that the encryption is on or off?
[02:23] <cafuego> Cokey: Then with aprted, in the install, just resize the Tiger partition and leave a few GB of free space.
[02:23] <cpare> I checked the sounds, but none mapped are the sound I am getting
[02:23] <Fujoor> gkk
[02:23] <visita> ola
[02:23] <cpare> "Briiip"
[02:23] <Fujoor> good evening
[02:23] <cafuego> Cokey: Then you cna tell the installer to use that free space to auto-partition for Linux
[02:23] <Cokey> aprted?
[02:23] <visita> alguem abras espanhol?
[02:23] <siriusnova> Flashmatt - it says Encryption Key: on
[02:23] <cpare> Kryal: "Vriiip"
[02:23] <cpare> lol
[02:23] <Flashmatt> siriusnova: mine says off even though it's on
[02:24] <Kyral> visita: #ubuntu-es
[02:24] <Flashmatt> siriusnova: I think my router is the problematic one
[02:24] <siriusnova> Flashmatt - then its the router
[02:24] <siriusnova> because iwlist scan reports what the router is putting out
[02:24] <visita> td biem?
[02:24] <Flashmatt> siriusnova: someone recommended to change the WEP setting to "open" on the router, but to no avail :(
[02:24] <Flashmatt> any other ideas, (hopefully)!!!
[02:24] <siriusnova> Flashmatt - what kind of router is it?
[02:24] <Flashmatt> ?
[02:24] <Cokey> ok im d/ling the install cd now
[02:24] <Kyral> visita: Yo no hablo espanol bien :P
[02:24] <Flashmatt> BEFW11S4
[02:24] <pluffsy> hello
[02:24] <Fujoor> I have a lil question, really whats the difference between all the available terminals? aterm, eterm, xterm etc ...? is it just the looks?
[02:24] <Flashmatt> linksys
[02:25] <Milk_> good afternoon
[02:25] <Cokey> is there anywhere faster i can get it from then the website?
[02:25] <Milk_> eer evening
[02:25] <Kyral> Fujoor: some options
[02:25] <Fujoor> kyral: for example?
[02:25] <Kyral> Fujoor: Like most of everything in Linux, a matter of option
[02:25] <shinu> anyone any idea if xorg is getting updated to 6.9 anytime soon?
[02:25] <Milk_> does anyone have a recomendation other than chkrootkit or panda antivirus to check for nasties on my ubuntu box?  Its behaving strangly
[02:25] <visita> soi de Brasil
[02:25] <Fujoor> kyral: can all of them for example run in transparent mode?
[02:25] <pluffsy> are there any terminal application one can use that lets you input a date and outputs a timestamp? I keep writing simple php-scripts to get timestamps, and it isn't very effective.
[02:26] <Kyral> Fujoor: "True" transparency cannnot be done without Compositing
[02:26] <Fujoor> no, but the fake one then?
[02:26] <Kyral> Fujoor: Yes, all support them
[02:26] <tritium> !pt
[02:26] <Fujoor> oh, neat, so its really a matter of which one you prefer, neither of them is worse or better?
[02:26] <Kyral> Fujoor: Its like the different WMs, all do basically the same thing but different
[02:26] <Kyral> Fujoor: Bingo!
[02:26] <Cokey> is there anywhere i can get an install guide and print out before i try this?
[02:27] <Kyral> Cokey: Actually thats my job for Dapper....lol
[02:27] <Milk_> ok.. more specific... neither the update or firestarter tray icons are working
[02:27] <siriusnova> Flashmatt - i bet its the router
[02:27] <visita> vc es h ou m?
[02:27] <siriusnova> read the manual
[02:27] <siriusnova> it might help
[02:27] <Cokey> huh?
[02:27] <Kyral> !es
[02:27] <siriusnova> ftp://ftp.linksys.com/pub/manuals/befw11s4ug.pdf
[02:27] <Kyral> damn where is the bot
[02:28] <Cokey> kyral, you do what/
[02:28] <visita> kyral  es h ou m?
[02:28] <Cokey> what is a good dc++ for ubuntu?
[02:28] <tritium> visita, #ubuntu-pt
[02:28] <lisa_> Hey all
[02:28] <Kyral> what is pt?
[02:28] <Flashmatt> siriusnova: I'll keep digging...
[02:28] <Flashmatt> siriusnova: thanks though...
[02:28] <cmatheson> Cokey: g++?
[02:28] <Milk_> any ideas?
[02:28] <Cokey> dc++
[02:28] <Cokey> direct connect
[02:29] <Kyral> Direct Connect
[02:29] <Cokey> something with a k....
[02:29] <cafuego> Kyral: The bots host's international link died 15 minutes ago
[02:29] <Cokey> i think
[02:29] <robotgeek> Cokey: dcgui
[02:29] <lisa_> I have a quick question (I'm new to Linux)
[02:30] <Kyral> lisa_: this is what all use Gurus are here for
[02:30] <Kyral> Keep in mind we are very opinionated Gurus ;P
[02:30] <lisa_> when I installed today it didn't ask me for a super user account
[02:30] <cmatheson> lisa_: sudo
[02:30] <Kyral> ubotu tell.....damnit
[02:30] <robotgeek> dammit!
[02:30] <Milk_> correct lisa_
[02:31] <Milk_> thats the ubuntu way
[02:31] <cafuego> Oh deary deary me
[02:31] <cmatheson> have we not documented sudo or something?
[02:31] <Flashmatt> siriusnova: do you recommend me doing a mac filter instead?
[02:31] <Kyral> cmatheson: we have
[02:31] <robotgeek> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[02:31] <cafuego> now their subnet with dns servers has done poo as well
[02:31] <lisa_> yes, then it asks for my pass which when I type in my user pass it doesn't like it
[02:31] <bimberi> Cokey: valknut ?
[02:31] <Kyral> lisa_: wiki.ubuntu.com:RootSudo
[02:31] <maxkelley> can someone help me setup apache2 and php5? for some reason, I cannot get it to work. I have tried, but to no avail.
[02:31] <tritium> poor ubotu...please resurrect him, cafuego
[02:32] <Kyral> cafuego: yes!
[02:32] <Cokey> ahhh yea
[02:32] <Cokey> thats the one
[02:32] <lisa_> cool, thanks Kyral
[02:32] <Cokey> any one that will really work tho
[02:32] <Kyral> cafuego: you should mirror Ubotu :P
[02:32] <Cokey> doesnt matter to me
[02:32] <Cokey> and where do i find the prog after its install from synaptic?
[02:32] <bimberi> cafuego: probably related but ubuntu.cc.com.au not working either :|
[02:32] <Milk_> does nautilus run in the background normally?
[02:33] <maxkelley> anyone done it?
[02:33] <cafuego> bimberi: same box
[02:33] <bimberi> cafuego: oops, nvm, working now :)
[02:33] <maxkelley> I really can't get php5 and apache2 to work together
[02:33] <cafuego> bimberi: Well, it works for *me*
[02:33] <maggard> newb here.  Any idea why ubuntu install freezes on the 'starting the partitioner' phase?
[02:33] <pc22> any netscape for ubuntu?
[02:33] <tritium> pc22, firefox
[02:33] <Kyral> NETSCAPE?! Now thats a name I haven't heard in LONG time
[02:33] <tritium> Obi Wan?  Now thats a name...
[02:34] <Kyral> lol
[02:34] <maxkelley> whenever I try and go to a php file, it prompts me to *download* it instead of actually running it on the server. please, please, help me.
[02:34] <pc22> tritium, some sites wont allow me view without IE or netscape
[02:34] <pc22> hows that?
[02:34] <cafuego> pc22: Idiot web developers.
[02:34] <cafuego> pc22: But firefox should still work just fine.
[02:34] <maxkelley> pc22: well, that's the downside of linux.
[02:34] <bimberi> cafuego: i did have problems earlier, honest
[02:34] <cmatheson> maxkelley: go look at the php documentation, you haven't set it up yet
[02:35] <B_166-ER-X> !repaircd
[02:35] <cafuego> bimberi: it should now have stopped working again, too.
[02:35] <Kyral> maxkelley: no, its WebDevs being complete idiots
[02:35] <maxkelley> cmatheson: I have apache2, php5, libapache2-mod-php5 all installed
[02:35] <bimberi> cafuego: yeah i noticed, but wasn't going to mention it again :P
[02:35] <cmatheson> maxkelley: k, but that doesn't mean you've set it up
[02:35] <B_166-ER-X> can someone point me where to get a 'repair' or 'boot' cd to FSCK a linux install ?
[02:35] <NeverDream> I installed Kubuntu with apt, but I've decided I don't like it, is there a way i can remove it all without manually selecing each package?
[02:35] <cmatheson> B_166-ER-X: the live cd, or knoppix
[02:35] <Kyral> B_166-ER-X: You can use the Install CD
[02:35] <Milk_> has anyone ever had a problem with the firestarter tray icon?
[02:36] <B_166-ER-X> i have the live, and install, but..how ?
[02:36] <cmatheson> B_166-ER-X: just boot off it and then run 'fsck /dev/foobar'
[02:36] <B_166-ER-X> there is a Memtest on the live but i didnt see fsck
[02:36] <cmatheson> B_166-ER-X: boot off of it, and then open up a command-line
[02:36] <Kyral> B_166-ER-X: boot with "rescue"
[02:36] <Milk_> hrm.. none of my tray icons are working
[02:36] <tritium> livecd can fsck for sure, B_166-ER-X (I've had to use it)
[02:37] <Kyral> instead of hitting enter
[02:37] <maxkelley> cmatheson: where is the documentation for php? on the ubuntu site or php.net ?
[02:37] <Chris_Tucker> i just apt-got mercury, its installed, appearantly, but when i look for a menu addition, theres none, and typeing mercury or man mercury at the terminal does nothing... how do i launch mercury?
[02:37] <Xenguy> M_Cheevy: /b
[02:37] <varsendagger> what is mercury?
[02:37] <cmatheson> maxkelley: /usr/share/doc/<packagename> always has documentation, or you could look at the documentation on php's site, or search the wiki
[02:37] <NeverDream> How do I remove Kubuntu from apt?!
[02:37] <Chris_Tucker> a messenger client for MSN
[02:37] <rabidsnail> I'm trying to install a Linksys WUSB11 with ndiswrapper, and after I ndiswrapper -i all of the inf files, and ndiswrapper -l says drivers installed, hardware present, when I open network settings it can't find the adapter
[02:37] <cafuego> varsendagger: yet another version control system
[02:37] <Kyral> NeverDream: Remove?
[02:37] <NeverDream> yeah
[02:37] <Chris_Tucker> its supposed to be just as good as msn 7.0 in windows
[02:37] <Kyral> rabidsnail: sudo ndiswrapper -m :P
[02:38] <B_166-ER-X> I jsut dont see what you mean...when i boot with the Live cd, for instance, i gives me a Boot:     (enter for live system)
[02:38] <rabidsnail> did that
[02:38] <NeverDream> I did apt-get install kubuntu-desktop, but I don't want it
[02:38] <B_166-ER-X> its there i should write rescue ?
[02:38] <phyburn> what would be a good program to run .exe ?
[02:38] <Kyral> rabidsnail: then sudo modprobe ndiswrapper
[02:38] <cmatheson> B_166-ER-X: maybe you should hit enter then
[02:38] <cafuego> Chris_Tucker: So it runs when you don't want it to and gets you spammed?
[02:38] <Kyral> phyburn: Wine
[02:38] <rabidsnail> did that too
[02:38] <Hobbsee> NeverDream: aptitude remove kubuntu-desktop
[02:38] <Kyral> rabidsnail: iwconfig?
[02:38] <phyburn> Kyral it wont let me download it off apt-get
[02:38] <rabidsnail> comes up with nothing
[02:38] <Kyral> ....
[02:38] <B_166-ER-X> cmatheson,  and once in live systeme...whats the use ?
[02:38] <robotgeek> my wireless card is dropping connection at will. What is weird is it doesn't disconnect. if a connection is persistent, it stays "on". it drops the inactive ones. any clues?
[02:38] <Chris_Tucker> cafuego, dont know, i havent had that prob with msn 7.0 and havent gotten mercury to run yet :S
[02:38] <cmatheson> B_166-ER-X: you can run fsck from the command-line
[02:38] <rabidsnail> "no wireless extensions"
[02:38] <B_166-ER-X> cmatheson,  i tried
[02:39] <B_166-ER-X> it just gived me a number version
[02:39] <phyburn> Kyral its giving me a referred to error
[02:39] <B_166-ER-X> 1.38 or something
[02:39] <cmatheson> B_166-ER-X: man fsck
[02:39] <Kyral> phyburn: why would you need Apt for .exe
[02:39] <marky> hey all i'm back
[02:39] <robotgeek> phyburn: msttcorefonts?
[02:39] <NeverDream> it only removed the meta-package
[02:39] <Wei_Li> how do I install video codecs for ubuntu live?
[02:39] <marky> just ironing out my install on a d600
[02:39] <B_166-ER-X> arrr
[02:39] <Chris_Tucker> how would i launch mercury?
[02:39] <B_166-ER-X> i dont see at all ...  :\
[02:39] <marky> wei_li in usr/lib
[02:40] <B_166-ER-X> Kyral,   what do you mean 'boot with 'rescue' ?
[02:40] <phyburn> Kyral no im trying to `apt-get install wine` but it wont let me
[02:40] <cmatheson> Chris_Tucker: if no one is answering it may be because no one knows
[02:40] <marky> usr/lib/win32
[02:40] <Wei_Li> marky: usr/lib?
[02:40] <optish> what's the trick to getting firestarter working dnsmasq?
[02:40] <Wei_Li> marky: oh ok... thanks
[02:40] <marky> :) glad to be of help
[02:40] <Chris_Tucker> cmatheson, or no one sees it that knows, which is more likely. i have used irc for many years, i know in a room such as this it is easy to miss any thing
[02:40] <marky> i only learnt that the other day in here
[02:41] <bimberi> phyburn: what type of processor (wine only runs on i386)?
[02:41] <Kyral> B_166-ER-X: Yanno when you load it it stops and you have to hit enter to continue?
[02:41] <B_166-ER-X> yep..
[02:41] <B_166-ER-X> Boot:     (enter for live system)
[02:41] <Kyral> now type "rescue"
[02:41] <Kyral> and hit enter
[02:42] <B_166-ER-X> hm
[02:42] <B_166-ER-X> okay
[02:42] <B_166-ER-X> i'll try
[02:42] <Kyral> w/o the ":
[02:42] <Kyral> err
[02:42] <optish> i have manage to get dhcp3-server working with firestarter and connection sharing but i am unable to get dnsmasq to work with firestarter
[02:42] <Kyral> w/o the ""
[02:42] <B_166-ER-X> yeah :P
[02:42] <B_166-ER-X> thx
[02:42] <phyburn> bimberi yup it is
[02:42] <SoBeAC> hey anyone know how to set a screen resolution that isn't listed on the screen resolution program?
[02:43] <lisa_> Kyral I have another question if you have time
[02:43] <cmatheson> SoBeAC: sounds like X is configured wrong
[02:43] <phyburn> bimberi: `Package wine is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[02:43] <phyburn> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[02:43] <phyburn> is only available from another source
[02:43] <phyburn> `
[02:43] <Kyral> lisa_: not really but shoot
[02:43] <phyburn> Bimberi its just that standard message
[02:43] <marky> anybody know how to get 3gp video files from nokia phones to run on ubuntu? i got the video but no sound in vlc and in xine
[02:44] <mettallicat> how i say to ppp not start with ubunto and start adsl-init ( i have this adsl-init in /etc/init.d/ )
[02:44] <optish> SoBeAC, what do you mean by "Screen resolution program"?
[02:44] <bimberi> phyburn: you need the universe repository enabled
[02:44] <bimberi> phyburn: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[02:45] <SoBeAC> sorry, haven't used irc in years, forget how to send private messages...the screen resolution program under the system menu
[02:45] <cmatheson> SoBeAC: you're going to have to reconfigure X
[02:45] <lisa_> I have a cisco VPN client I have to install to connect to my office
[02:46] <Kyral> lisa_: I know nothing about VPN
[02:46] <phyburn> Bimeri ok thanks
[02:46] <mettallicat> acn u help me with init scrips
[02:47] <lisa_> ok, it's cool, thanks
[02:47] !christel:*!  Hi all! Interested in the discussion and support of copylefts? We all are, and we are familiar with (but not limited to) CC, GPL, LGPL, Apache and BSD style licenses! Why not join us in ##copyleft ? 
[02:47] <SoBeAC> ok I'll give it a shot, thanks
[02:47] <bimberi> phyburn: np :)
[02:47] <marky> is there anyway of seeing all the services running and stiopping the un necisary ones?
[02:47] <cmatheson> marky: top
[02:48] <marky> sorry  , still not used to laptop keyboards and its dark in here
[02:48] <Wei_Li> how do I install video codecs for ubuntu live i have no idea what is ment by usr/lib/win32
[02:48] <Wei_Li> D:
[02:48] <ptlo> how do i change the language for my session in gnome/ubuntu?
[02:48] <cmatheson> marky: (or ps if you're looking for something less interactive)
[02:48] <livinded> i'm having some problems connecting to my wireless access point using a server install and xubuntu, it doesn't seem to see it though i can see it with kismet
[02:48] <cmatheson> ptlo: you can choose it from a menu in gdm iirc
[02:48] <mettallicat> Wei_Li, u need to add a extra repository
[02:48] <marky> ?
[02:48] <Wei_Li> mettallicat: how do i do that?
[02:48] <ptlo> cmatheson: oh, ok; is there a way to apply the change without restarting the session?
[02:48] <mettallicat> Wei_Li, w8 a sec
[02:48] <Wei_Li> mettallicat: ok
[02:48] <Killer_Smurf> livinded is it the ath card?
[02:49] <bimberi> marky: System -> Administration -> Services
[02:49] <livinded> atheros D-link DWL-G6500
[02:49] <Killer_Smurf> 650 or 6500
[02:49] <seife> How do i install an IRC client in SuSE? It doesnt come with one.
[02:49] <cmatheson> ptlo: not that i know of... however you may be able to start apps in a different language from the command line (e.g 'LANG=zh_TW LC_ALL=zh_TW LOCALE=... some_program')
[02:49] <livinded> oh sorry, 650
[02:49] <cmatheson> seife: wrong channel
[02:49] <marky> bimberi is that all of the services running?
[02:49] <Kyral> seife: Wrong Channel indeed
[02:49] <seife> sorry
[02:50] <Kyral> seife: But I would look in Yast
[02:50] <ptlo> cmatheson: that's what i'm looking for, thannks
[02:50] <livinded> i'm not sure if i'm using the commands wrong or why its not working
[02:50] <Killer_Smurf> ok iwlist ath0 scan
[02:50] <Killer_Smurf> let me know on the other channel
[02:50] <mettallicat> Wei_Li, just add to your sources.list
[02:50] <livinded> interface doesn't support scanning
[02:50] <Killer_Smurf> or pm me
[02:50] <constantine-xvi> seife: either use gaim or google "xchat rpm suse"
[02:50] <mettallicat> deb ftp://ftp.free.fr/pub/Distributions_Linux/plf/ubuntu/plf/ breezy free non-free
[02:50] <mettallicat> deb-src ftp://ftp.free.fr/pub/Distributions_Linux/plf/ubuntu/plf/ breezy free non-free
[02:51] <bimberi> marky: no, just the main ones. Applications -> System Tools -> System Monitor gives a complete list
[02:51] <Killer_Smurf> I have the same card try sudo iwlist ath0 sacn
[02:51] <livinded> Killer_Smurf, i'm in sudo su right now
[02:51] <seife> constantine-xvi thx.
[02:52] <marky> bimberi thanks
[02:52] <bimberi> marky: np :)
[02:52] <mettallicat> Wei_Li, then make apt-get update and apt-get install w32codecs
[02:52] <constantine-xvi> seife: youre welcome
[02:52] <robotgeek> my wireless card is dropping connection at will. What is weird is it doesn't disconnect. if a connection is persistent, it stays "on". it drops the inactive ones. any clues?
[02:53] <Wei_Li> ok i'll try that out thanks mettallicat
[02:53] <techrush> for a p4 w/ hyper threading should i use the 686-smp kernel ?
[02:53] <marky> bimberi do you know anything about the network configuration in ubuntu? i can sometimes surf my windows network, but it wants me to join a domain instead of a workgroup , any ideas?
[02:53] <optish> anyone using dnsmasq here?
[02:54] <robotgeek> the browser doesn't connect, though the irc goes thru. it's not an issue with the router, because my other machine is able to connect
[02:54] <B1zz> hello hello
[02:54] <B_166-ER-X> Is there a SIMPLE way to FSCK a system without it being mounted ?
[02:54] <Kyral> B_166-ER-X: fsck <device>
[02:54] <constantine-xvi> marky: just put in workgroup name and use a user/pass on the target
[02:54] <Kyral> B_166-ER-X: You HAVE to fsck when its unmounted
[02:54] <B_166-ER-X> Kyral,  i tried the 'rescue' logging in the live cd...  but then it ask me on what partition i want to log
[02:54] <B_166-ER-X> I can i know this.
[02:55] <B_166-ER-X> arr
[02:55] <marky> on the tar?
[02:55] <Kyral> B_166-ER-X: whichever is normally mounted as /
[02:55] <B_166-ER-X> Kyral,  i'm on the system i want to check, and it IS mounted.
[02:55] <cmatheson> B_166-ER-X: well you're going to have to know which partition if you plan on fsck'ing it
[02:55] <B_166-ER-X> but was not.
[02:55] <B_166-ER-X> i had 4 ou 5 choices
[02:55] <constantine-xvi> marky: yeah
[02:55] <Kyral> B_166-ER-X: uhh....then try a LiveCD
[02:55] <B_166-ER-X> that was with live cd.
[02:55] <constantine-xvi> marky: target == destination
[02:56] <Paradosso> hi
[02:56] <Paradosso> I've got this very problem
[02:56] <Paradosso> http://fetchmail.berlios.de/fetchmail-FAQ.html#R9
[02:56] <Paradosso> any solution for ubuntu breezy?
[02:56] <marky> this happends when i got to Places/network servers
[02:56] <tritium> Paradosso, no need to use the enter key as punctuation
[02:56] <constantine-xvi> yeah
[02:56] <DeMoNSeEd> hello
[02:57] <Paradosso> sorry tritium
[02:57] <cmatheson> Paradosso: sounds like a problem w/ your network, not  breezy
[02:57] <tritium> no worries, Paradosso
[02:57] <Paradosso> my network connection works like a charm
[02:57] <cmatheson> Paradosso: my fetchmail works like a charm
[02:57] <constantine-xvi> marky: just use "guest" and "<blank>", and domain==workgroup, that should do it
[02:57] <AtlantisX> Hello everybody. I see you're quite busy, but I need some information concerning Ubuntu install. Does anyone have the time to help me? ^^
[02:57] <Chris_Tucker> how does one launch mercury after apt-get installing mercury?
[02:57] <Paradosso> so does mine until the MAIL FROM line :)
[02:58] <cmatheson> AtlantisX: just ask your questions
[02:58] <sethk> never ceases to amaze me that people say "my network has a problem" and then say "no, my network works perfectly"
[02:58] <constantine-xvi> AtlantisX: ill take care of you
[02:58] <cmatheson> Chris_Tucker: stop asking the same question over and over.  mercury is not an instant messenger if you apt-get installed it
[02:58] <czer323> What's the best way to have commands run at startup?  I tried adding something to the session startup, but it ended up preventing me from logging in.
[02:58] <AtlantisX> Problem is the following: I want to install Ubuntu but I heave no drives for anything, only LAN... -.-
[02:58] <AtlantisX> *have
[02:58] <DeMoNSeEd> i have someone who thinking of trying ubuntu, but  he has dual heads and  dual cards, 1 nvidia and the other radeon, will this be possible to run dual heads on ubuntu
[02:58] <marky> i havn't got a domain  , i use a workgroup instead  ,but i can't find where to congue it
[02:58] <cmatheson> AtlantisX: you could try the livecd?
[02:59] <constantine-xvi> AtlantisX: as in only a net card, no cd or anything?
[02:59] <cmatheson> DeMoNSeEd: yes
[02:59] <constantine-xvi> AtlantisX: not even a floppy?
[02:59] <Paradosso> cmatheson and sethk, I can fetch mail with thunderbird, so I don't think it is a network issue. Besides, the faw itself says it is a sendmail problem
[02:59] <AtlantisX> cmatheson: No, I don't have any drives at all... xD
[02:59] <siriusnova> Pop Tarts = AWesome
[02:59] <DeMoNSeEd> anythingspecial he'll have to do, so i can tell him in advance, he's burning the iso as we speak
[02:59] <constantine-xvi> AtlantisX: that could be a problem
[02:59] <sethk> Paradosso, the URL you posted for problem #9 says that it is a network problem
[02:59] <sethk> Paradosso, did you mispost?
[02:59] <cmatheson> AtlantisX: yeowza, check out the edubuntu project maybe... that's dealing w/ the linux-terminal-server-project which sounds like just the thing for you
[02:59] <AtlantisX> That is the problem, I wasn wondering if there was a USB stick instal or something.
[03:00] <rafx> Paradosso: look into mtu size
[03:00] <constantine-xvi> AtlantisX: i dont think ubuntu is net-boot
[03:00] <sethk> Paradosso, the word "sendmail" doesn't occur
[03:00] <Kyral> Chris_Tucker: AtlantisX Edubuntu comes with it I THINK
[03:00] <cmatheson> AtlantisX: hmm, search digg.com or something... i think i saw an article like that recently
[03:00] <sethk> Paradosso, if you don't mean R9, what do you mean?
[03:00] <constantine-xvi> AtlantisX: can you steal the cd drive out of another machine?
[03:00] <Paradosso> http://fetchmail.berlios.de/fetchmail-FAQ.html#H2
[03:00] <Paradosso> sorry
[03:00] <AtlantisX> cmatheson: I have an Ubuntu PC in the LAN, could that help?
[03:00] <Kyral> AtlantisX: You may wanna try #edubuntu
[03:01] <constantine-xvi> AtlantisX: or do you not have a HD?
[03:01] <cmatheson> AtlantisX: yes, i would check out edubuntu and/or ltsp
[03:01] <AtlantisX> constantine-xvi: It's no lack of drives, my damn old notebook just doesn't have any slots... xD
[03:01] <constantine-xvi> ah
[03:01] <DeMoNSeEd> cmatheson, is there anything special he needs to install right off for the dual head dual card
[03:01] <marky> how do i configure it to a workgroup not a domain? anyone?
[03:01] <sethk> Paradosso, ok, that's a different problem, but I still see nothing there about sendmail
[03:01] <cmatheson> DeMoNSeEd: no, you'll just have to configure X... google for linux dual-head it's pretty easy
[03:02] <AtlantisX> And only 10gigs HD but that should do for the basic stuff... -.-
[03:02] <cmatheson> Paradosso: sounds like your MTA is configured wrong... which one are you using?
[03:02] <DeMoNSeEd> k thank you....add another 1 to the world of ubuntu
[03:02] <constantine-xvi> AtlantisX: net connection?
[03:02] <AtlantisX> I'll check edubuntu...
[03:02] <AtlantisX> constantine-xvi: 6mbit DSL
[03:02] <bimberi> AtlantisX: there might be a method here - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Installation
[03:02] <constantine-xvi> AtlantisX: as in ethernet
[03:02] <marky> yup
[03:02] <Paradosso> cmatheson, I use procmail
[03:03] <Paradosso> and sendmail
[03:03] <cmatheson> Paradosso: that's not your mta
[03:03] <AtlantisX> constantine-xvi: 100mbit LAN, why?
[03:03] <constantine-xvi> good
[03:03] <cmatheson> Paradosso: it's going to be exim, or sendmail, or postfix, or something like that
[03:03] <techrush> is gnome-look.org down forever ?
[03:03] <constantine-xvi> AtlantisX: not ubuntu, but some other net-bootable distro
[03:03] <sethk> cmatheson, he said sendmail, just on a different line  :)
[03:03] <Paradosso> I configured /etc/postfix/main.cf
[03:03] <cmatheson> techrush: i think the new site may be art.gnome.org
[03:03] <cmatheson> sethk: oh woops
[03:04] <sethk> Paradosso, now you've said you use sendmail, but that you use postfix
[03:04] <sethk> Paradosso, pick one, only one
[03:04] <techrush> hmm ok
[03:04] <Paradosso> I thought it was the same!
[03:04] <sethk> Paradosso, they are two different programs
[03:04] <cmatheson> Paradosso: they are both mta's but they're very far from being the same
[03:04] <Paradosso> so how do I decide which one to use?
[03:04] <nekostar> er
[03:04] <sethk> Paradosso, you may be confused by the fact that many MTAs including postfix and qmail have a program _called_ sendmail
[03:05] <Paradosso> mail configuration is hell for a newbie :(
[03:05] <cmatheson> Paradosso: just pick one and go w/ it... you could just stick w/ the default of exim
[03:05] <sethk> Paradosso, to preserve compatibility with brain dead apps that assume sendmail is the only MTA In the universe
[03:05] <cmatheson> Paradosso: they come /w pretty sensible defaults
[03:05] <constantine-xvi> AtlantisX: gentoo has a netboot install, but gentoo is also a very involved and hard to install distro from what ive heard.  you might be up to the challenge
[03:05] <nekostar> so my cd rom is complaining it wont mount as user so its borked??
[03:05] <nekostar> how can i tell it to chill the fark out
[03:05] <sethk> Paradosso, you started off saying you have a problem with fetchmail.  That likely has nothing whatsoever to do with MTA
[03:05] <Paradosso> cmatheson, sethk : the thing is I don't know how to let my machine know which one I want to use
[03:05] <B1zz> hi all. I just installed the ATI drivers for my ATI 9550 card but when i run tuxracer its still laggy(no 3d acceleration) any idea what to do next?
[03:06] <cmatheson> Paradosso: sudo aptitude install some_mail_transfer_agent
[03:06] <AtlantisX> constantine-xvi: That's why I usually prefer Ubuntu. xD
[03:06] <Paradosso> I have both sendmail and postfix installed
[03:06] <cmatheson> Paradosso: how did you manage that?
[03:06] <sethk> Paradosso, yes, I understand that both are installed.
[03:06] <constantine-xvi> B1zz: go into /etc/X11/xorg.conf and change xserver from ati to fglrx
[03:06] <nekostar> !_!
[03:06] <Paradosso> it was by default on ubuntu breezy
[03:06] <sethk> Paradosso, but your fetchmail problem has nothing to do with MTA configuration
[03:06] <tritium> B1zz, you installed the fglrx ubuntu packages?
[03:07] <Paradosso> sethk, the faq says: "The hang is actually occuring when sendmail looks up a sender's address in DNS. The problem isn't in fetchmail but in the configuration of sendmail."
[03:07] <Paradosso> so I assume it is actually a sendmail problem
[03:07] <synackuator> does anyone know a fix for broken automounting of usb devices?
[03:07] <B1zz> no sir i did not
[03:07] <cmatheson> synackuator: how is it broken?
[03:07] <B1zz> i got the drivers from the ATI site
[03:07] <robotgeek> anyone willing to help me with procmail+fetchmail? will mda "/usr/bin/procmail -d %s" in .fetchmailrc do the trick?
[03:07] <nekostar> oik
[03:07] <tritium> B1zz, you should use the ubuntu packages
[03:07] <sethk> Paradosso, no, that makes no sense at all
[03:08] <synackuator> cmatheson, i can plug in usb devices all day and it won't automount them.  i have to mount them manually
[03:08] <tritium> B1zz, wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[03:08] <robotgeek> synackuator: try typing gnome-volume-manager in a terminal
[03:08] <Paradosso> sethk, it's just what the faq says, I am completely confused by now
[03:08] <B1zz> will do chief
[03:08] <cmatheson> synackuator: hmm, i don't know... it always worked for me when i used gnome... now i don't run gnome so i do it manually too (that is the way i prefer)
[03:08] <B1zz> gonna try that right now
[03:08] <Ne0phyt3> hey, i was wondering if someone could help me out, i installed kubuntu or ubuntu 2.6.12-90-386, and by accident through adept i selected to remove gcc 4.01 (i think that was the package name) and it started uninstalling programs like adept, acpi, etc..
[03:08] <robotgeek> sethk: u a fetchmail/procmail guru?
[03:08] <Ne0phyt3>  i closed it because i realized what was going on, is there any way to get these back without reinstalling?
[03:08] <sethk> Paradosso, fetchmail talks to POP and IMAP servers.  MTAs implement SMTP.  One is a mail client protocol, the other is a mail server protocol
[03:08] <tritium> good luck, B1zz
[03:09] <sethk> robotgeek, I'm good with email in general.  I've used fetchmail, but I don't know everything in the world about it.
[03:09] <Paradosso> I see sethk
[03:09] <robotgeek> sethk: do you have filtering with procmail? do i make sense at all?
[03:09] <Paradosso> when I run fetchmail -v, the hang arises after the SMTP MAIL FROM line
[03:09] <sethk> Paradosso, what I would do in your situation is to use strace to find out exactly why fetchmail fails.  But the output of strace can be difficult to interpret.
[03:09] <cmatheson> sethk: might fetchmail be using the mta to deliver mail locally?
[03:09] <bimberi> tritium: good to see some people know authority when they read it :)
[03:09] <Ne0phyt3> anyone have any ideas?
[03:09] <synackuator> robotgeek, already running
[03:09] <sethk> robotgeek, yes, you make sense.  I usually use maildrop, which is like procmail but not quite as complex.
[03:09] <B-166_ER-X> : always trying to run a FSCK,    i'm on another Pc now  \ on four, there was only one partition i was able to log on, and when trying to fsck, it says that it IS mounted and dangerous ect..
[03:09] <bulio> do I run apt-get update or apt-get dist-update first?
[03:09] <sethk> robotgeek, but the concept of filtering is perfectly clear
[03:10] <B-166_ER-X> wasnt that Supposed to PREVENT that ?
[03:10] <tritium> bimberi, heh ;)
[03:10] <bulio> when upgrading to ubuntu 5.10 from 4.10?
[03:10] <linkd> bulio: update first
[03:10] <sethk> robotgeek, what I don't see (at least immediately) is how this might involve fetchmail.
[03:10] <cmatheson> B_166-ER-X: why don't you just mount it read-only? mount -o remount,ro /
[03:10] <linkd> bulio: and its dist-upgrade not dist-update
[03:10] <sethk> robotgeek, let's back up.  tell us what you are trying to do and what isn't working for you.
[03:10] <Paradosso> sethk, I don't have a clue what strace is
[03:10] <robotgeek> sethk: yes, i tried my filters out and they work. how do i get procmail to filter the mail retrieved by fetchmail?
[03:10] <bulio> so apt-get update?
[03:10] <linkd> bulio: so apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
[03:11] <B-166_ER-X> cmatheson,  just how am i supposed to mount my main partition read only ???
[03:11] <bulio> just type it like that?
[03:11] <BlueDevil> synackuator: is ivman running?
[03:11] <cmatheson> robotgeek: i think you need to edit your .forward... i don't know the exact line to add though... google
[03:11] <cmatheson> B-166_ER-X: i just gave you the freaking command
[03:11] <B-166_ER-X> even more being in a live rescure session<
[03:11] <Paradosso> and cmatheson, I'd like to use mutt as a MUA and it depends on postfix I think
[03:11] <Ne0phyt3> can anyone even see this? (don't mean to be impatient just wanna make sure)
[03:11] <linkd> bulio: u can do it u want to do both, one after the other yes, but u might need to prefix "sudo" to the front of both commands first :)
[03:11] <synackuator> BlueDevil, no
[03:11] <sethk> robotgeek, in general, have fetchmail resend the mail to the mail server running on your machine (that is, the machine that is running procmail).  Have fetchmail send the mail instead of having fetchmail write the mail directly into the client mailbox
[03:11] <cmatheson> Paradosso: it doesn't depend on postfix, any will do
[03:11] <bimberi> Ne0phyt3: no :P
[03:11] <sethk> robotgeek, the reason is that procmail is part of the delivery process
[03:11] <Ne0phyt3> bim: thx
[03:11] <bulio> linkdd: dist-upgrade first I guess
[03:11] <bulio> I'm coming from 4.10
[03:12] <sethk> robotgeek, but if fetchmail writes to the mailbox file, the delivery process doesn't happen
[03:12] <robotgeek> cmatheson: i tht i did not need the .forward if i had mda "/usr/bin/procmail -d %s"
[03:12] <sethk> robotgeek, I'm not sure that's a clear explanation.
[03:12] <linkd> bulio: no no, apt-get update first, to update ur repo list, THEN apt-get dist-upgrade to upgrade ur distribution
[03:12] <Paradosso> cmatheson, if I apt-get remove postfix, mutt is removed as well
[03:12] <robotgeek> sethk: yes, i get you.
[03:12] <Ne0phyt3> lol if i have tyo reinstall again its gonna be the 5th time today :(
[03:12] <B-166_ER-X> cmatheson,  read only, but if the fsck have to modify things .. ?
[03:12] <sethk> Ne0phyt3, then it will very probably be the 5th unnecessary time
[03:12] <cmatheson> robotgeek: have you checked your mail logs to see if it's running everything through procmail?
[03:12] <Ne0phyt3> seth: help me out lol
[03:12] <cmatheson> Paradosso: well you will need some sort of mta... be it postfix, exim, sendmail, etc.  it really doesn't matter
[03:13] <bulio> Reading Package Lists... Done
[03:13] <bulio> Building Dependency Tree... Done
[03:13] <bulio> Calculating Upgrade... Done
[03:13] <bulio> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded
[03:13] <cmatheson> B-166_ER-X: just try it
[03:13] <tritium> bulio, don't paste
[03:13] <linkd> bulio: make sure uve edited your sources.list first tho to make sure it knows to upgrade
[03:13] <bulio> that can't be right...
[03:13] <bulio> how do I do that?
[03:13] <robotgeek> cmatheson: checking, one sec
[03:13] <bimberi> Ne0phyt3: try apt-get install kubuntu-desktop (i'm guessing it's kubuntu because you mentioned adept)
[03:13] <Paradosso> cmatheson, let's say I want postfix
[03:13] <B-166_ER-X> cmatheson,  from the live cd rescue, command line ?
[03:13] <linkd> bulio: ok ok, ill walk you through it
[03:13] <bulio> linkd: may I PM?
[03:13] <linkd> bulio: sure why not
[03:13] <Paradosso> how do I solve the MAIL FROM fetchmail hang?
[03:13] <bimberi> Ne0phyt3: um,  sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[03:13] <Ne0phyt3> apt-get command not found
[03:13] <Ne0phyt3> ah
[03:13] <sethk> Paradosso, I told you, it has nothing to do with MTA
[03:13] <cmatheson> B-166_ER-X: it really doesn't matter at all.  if it's mounted either unmount it, or mount it read-only
[03:14] <sethk> Paradosso, so if you look at MTA configuration, you'll never solve it.
[03:14] <Ne0phyt3> damn
[03:14] <Ne0phyt3> sudo: apt-get: command not found
[03:14] <cmatheson> Paradosso: ok let's say you do.  run dpkg-reconfigure postfix and configure it correctly this time
[03:14] <bimberi> Ne0phyt3: hm, that's not good
[03:14] <Paradosso> sethk, so what should I do?
[03:14] <hyphenated> that's very very bad
[03:14] <Ne0phyt3> it got through like 10-15 packages b4 i closed the window and realized what was going on
[03:14] <Paradosso> sethk and cmatheson, it seems to me you are suggesting completely different things
[03:14] <robotgeek> cmatheson: i don't think fetchmail is respecting the mda.
[03:14] <bulio> linkd: read PM
[03:15] <bimberi> Ne0phyt3: looks like apt was one of the packages :|
[03:15] <cmatheson> Paradosso: try what sethk is saying first
[03:15] <BlueDevil> synackuator: check if you have ivman installed
[03:15] <hyphenated> Ne0phyt3: hope like h that you still have dpkg installed
[03:15] <Ne0phyt3> i do
[03:15] <sethk> Paradosso, you have valid MTA questions, they just don't relate to your fetchmail question
[03:15] <cmatheson> robotgeek: hmm, i would add a .forward file then... it sounds like fetchmail isn't going through your mta
[03:15] <Ne0phyt3> im reading the manual right now
[03:15] <Ne0phyt3> i saw in adept in the console it would write out dpkg complete
[03:15] <Ne0phyt3> so i figure thats the background to the gui
[03:15] <robotgeek> cmatheson: even though i explicitly tell it to.
[03:15] <sethk> Paradosso, run fetchmail with strace.  man strace will tell you how, at least a bit.  then post the output on a pastebot and we'll look at it.
[03:16] <hyphenated> Ne0phyt3: and just for a laugh, try going into /var/cache/apt/archives and seeing if there's some .deb fies
[03:16] <sethk> Paradosso, I'll probably ask you to rerun it with different options, but you have to start somewhere.
[03:16] <maxkelley> listen, I really really really need help installing php5 and apache2
[03:16] <cmatheson> robotgeek: where exactly are you telling it to? in your main.cf or something?
[03:16] <Ne0phyt3> some.. A LOT
[03:16] <sethk> robotgeek, your life would be a lot simpler if what you do is to put a .forward file (or equivalent) on the machine that fetchmail is getting mail _from_
[03:16] <robotgeek> cmatheson: why would it be main.cf, that's postfix.
[03:17] <Ne0phyt3> starts at alien and goes to wbritish
[03:17] <hyphenated> Ne0phyt3: yay. is apt one of them?
[03:17] <sethk> robotgeek, that way the mail gets sent to the machine where procmail will process it.
[03:17] <maxkelley> every time I try and access a .php file, the browser offers it to download, which is wrong. please, can someone help me configure the two CORRECTLY.
[03:17] <robotgeek> sethk: gmail :)
[03:17] <constantine-xvi> does anyone know how to enable the debian/gentoo style framebuffer console?
[03:17] <cmatheson> robotgeek: sorry i don't understand where you are telling it your mda, i thought that's what you were talking about
[03:17] <Ne0phyt3> nope :(
[03:17] <Ne0phyt3> alien , apache, aspell, avm, bazaar
[03:17] <sethk> robotgeek, if you can forward the mail on the remote mail servers, then you bypass fetchmail.  Otherwise you'll have to figure out why fetchmail isn't sending the mail as you expect it to.
[03:17] <Ne0phyt3> looks like packages i might not have installed
[03:17] <hyphenated> Ne0phyt3: you'll have to download it manually.
[03:18] <sethk> robotgeek, you could post your fetchmailrc file on a post bot and we can look at it, if you like.
[03:18] <robotgeek> cmatheson: i put it in fetchmailrc , i'm going to try googling some more
[03:18] <hyphenated> Ne0phyt3: it's a cache. they might have been installed recently, or just downloaded, in preparation for installing
[03:18] <BlueDevil> maxkelley: you need to add a handler to apache to run php scripts not serve them to the browser; you can find install docs on php site
[03:18] <Ne0phyt3> ok but once i get apt, will ineed to get online?
[03:18] <robotgeek> sethk: okay, let me get rid of the passwords and stuff :)
[03:18] <cmatheson> robotgeek: ok... i've never tried adding that line to my fetchmailrc.  .forward has always worked wonderfully for me however
[03:18] <Phoul> Is gnome-look/org down?
[03:18] <Phoul> gnome-look.org*
[03:18] <Ne0phyt3> ive been transferring all the files w/ my ipod
[03:18] <robotgeek> cmatheson: hmm, i'll try that first
[03:18] <_jason> Phoul, yes
[03:18] <hyphenated> Ne0phyt3: it'll help, but try and get it off the install CD or somesuch
[03:18] <Ne0phyt3> thats the whole thing i been trying to get online through teh wifi (only connection avaiable)
[03:18] <Ne0phyt3> oh ok
[03:18] <Phoul> _jason, still!
[03:18] <Ne0phyt3> i have that..
[03:18] <Phoul> Gah!
[03:18] <Ne0phyt3> so i can download apt from sourceforge or a ubuntu site?
[03:19] <Paradosso> sethk, how do I run fetchmail with strace?
[03:19] <Killer3k> if you are running ubuntu then you will already have apt
[03:19] <Ne0phyt3> apt-get.org?
[03:19] <cmatheson> Paradosso: strace fetchmail
[03:19] <bimberi> Ne0phyt3: via http://packages.ubuntu.com (assuming you have a working browser)
[03:19] <fushi> You should have it
[03:19] <Ne0phyt3> yeah
[03:20] <Ne0phyt3> im on my desktop right now
[03:20] <Ne0phyt3> installed ubuntu to the laptop
[03:20] <sethk> Paradosso, in general, to run the command foo with strace, you would do:    strace foo > output.file
[03:20] <hyphenated> Ne0phyt3: http://packages.ubuntu.com/
[03:20] <Ne0phyt3> everything went well, it even tried to install the wireless card but that didn't fly
[03:20] <hyphenated> ah, bimberi already said it :-)
[03:20] <sethk> Paradosso, or, better,  strace -o output-file-name foo
[03:20] <sethk> Paradosso, if fetchmail spawns child processes we'll have to get fancier, but try that first
[03:20] <Dloa> How can i get a eggdrop on ubunti
[03:20] <bimberi> hyphenated: one of my very rare wins :P
[03:20] <cmatheson> Dloa: ?
[03:20] <Dloa> a eggdrop on ubuntu
[03:21] <Killer3k> anyone know how to set up a hauppage nova-t usb TV card in Ubuntu?
[03:21] <Dloa> like the command m
[03:21] <Dloa> make
[03:21] <BlueDevil> synackuator: still there?
[03:21] <Dloa> tcl
[03:21] <constantine-xvi> does anyone know how to enable the debian/gentoo style framebuffer console?
[03:21] <Paradosso> should I stop fetchmail as it hangs sethk?
[03:21] <bob832> i'm setting up a static ip for my system - for gateway address, would that be the ip address of my router?  the same one i use to access the config page?
[03:22] <cmatheson> bob832: yes
[03:22] <bob832> cool, thanks
[03:22] <Killer3k> bob832: yes it would be the ip of your router
[03:22] <sethk> Paradosso, yes, let it go for maybe 30 seconds, then kill it.
[03:22] <bimberi> Dloa: eggdrob is in the universe repository
[03:22] <Paradosso> done
[03:22] <Paradosso> where do i paste the output?
[03:22] <sethk> Paradosso, there is a pastebot URL in the topic
[03:22] <Kuyaedz> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org
[03:23] <sethk> Paradosso, robotgeek, I have to fix something for a paying customer.  I'll be back shortly, hopefully.
[03:23] <Dloa> bimberi, ok, how do i access it?
[03:23] <AtlantisX> Okay, I had an idea... What if I copy the minimal files on my HD (NTFS, fucking windows) and try to install it from there somehow?
[03:23] <bimberi> Dloa: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[03:23] <Ne0phyt3> figures my ipod doesnt get picked up when i dock it now
[03:23] <Ne0phyt3> on the desktop i mean
[03:24] <czer323> sadfo
[03:24] <Ne0phyt3> gotta go through usb instead of firewire
[03:24] <visita> ai blz
[03:25] <visita> alguem sbe portugues aki
[03:25] <_jason> !br
[03:25] <visita> sim
[03:25] <bimberi> AtlantisX: sounds a bit like - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Installation/FromWindows
[03:25] <Paradosso> sethk, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/5685
[03:25] <_jason> visita, /j #ubuntu-br
[03:25] <optish> gah....i'm going mad....firestarter doesnt want to seem to work with dnsmasq...someone help!
[03:25] <visita> sim
[03:26] <visita> eu  a primeira vez que uso o mirc
[03:26] <frogzoo> !es
[03:26] <visita> to meio perdido
[03:26] <_jason> visita, escreve isto: /j #ubuntu-br
[03:26] <robotgeek> sethk,cmatheson_ it worked with the .forward file
[03:26] <robotgeek> now, i am going to try it without :)
[03:26] <visita> valew
[03:27] <AtlantisX> bimberi: Nice find, that looks helpful. Thanks.
[03:27] <frogzoo> what, no ubotu?
[03:27] <Dloa> ok
[03:27] <Dloa> how do i get the command make
[03:27] <bimberi> AtlantisX: np :)
[03:27] <_jason> visita, tambem podes ir a #ubuntu-pt da mesma maneira, mas normalmente no chat br ha mais pessoas
[03:27] <frogzoo> -> #ubuntu-es
[03:27] <visita> ok
[03:28] <bimberi> frogzoo: not currently no :(
[03:28] <visita> vlw msm amigo
[03:28] <frogzoo> seems a common problem lately...
[03:28] <_jason> frogzoo, portuguese not spanish :)
[03:28] <Ne0phyt3> "dpkg: status database area is locked by another process"
[03:28] <Dloa> How do i set my printer on ubuntu
[03:28] <bimberi> Dloa: you can sudo apt-get install make, but you'll probably be better off installing build-essential
[03:28] <intelikey> Dloa sudo apt-get install build-essential
[03:29] <frogzoo> Dloa: tried -> admin -> printers?
[03:29] <Dido-> Anyone here managed to setup lan network between Xp and Ubuntu??
[03:29] <frogzoo> intelikey: build-essential is not required to install a printer
[03:29] <Toma-> also, get checkinstall while youre at it. much better than using "make install"
[03:29] <varsendagger> dido use samba
[03:29] <varsendagger> Dido-,
[03:29] <intelikey> frogzoo scroll up
[03:30] <varsendagger> !samba
[03:30] <stef> can some here help me pls
[03:30] <robotgeek> sethk,cmatheson_ it does not work without the .forward. it works great with it. thanks for your help!
[03:30] <frogzoo> intelikey: ah, k
[03:30] <Toma-> stef: ask away
[03:30] <varsendagger> stef waht up?
[03:30] <_jason> stef, aska a question and we can try :)
[03:30] <Hobbsee> !tell stef about ask
[03:30] <stef> how do i use voice chat on knoppix
[03:30] <intelikey> frogzoo sorry i lag.
[03:30] <varsendagger> ??
[03:30] <Dido-> varsendagger, what's samba, i guess it's not included in ubuntu..
[03:30] <bimberi> stef: #knoppix
[03:31] <Toma-> stef: youre in the wrong channel. ask in knoppix
[03:31] <Ne0phyt3> ok i killed the previously running dpkg
[03:31] <frogzoo> Dido-: samba is a network file system for talking to windows servers via the SMB or CIFS protocols
[03:31] <stef> were is it firdt time using this
[03:31] <intelikey> Dido- samba is very much included in ub.
[03:31] <bimberi> Dido-: the samba client is (smbclient) - allows connection to windows file and printer shares
[03:31] <Ne0phyt3> "cannot access archive: No such file or directory"
[03:31] <bimberi> Dido-: samba (server) is available in ubuntu repositories
[03:31] <Ne0phyt3> anyone?
[03:32] <intelikey> Ne0phyt3 from what command do you get that E;
[03:32] <Ne0phyt3> dpkg -i apt_0.6....
[03:33] <Dido-> thanks guys, i'm installing it now
[03:33] <frogzoo> Ne0phyt3: mebbe an old lock file left about?
[03:33] <Ne0phyt3> ?
[03:33] <Ne0phyt3> i downloaded the apt.deb file, copied it to home dir
[03:33] <Ne0phyt3> did a ps aux
[03:33] <Ne0phyt3> saw /usr/bin/dpkg already running
[03:33] <Ne0phyt3> so i killed that
[03:33] <intelikey> Ne0phyt3 then is apt_0.6.... in the $PWD ?
[03:33] <bimberi> Ne0phyt3: are you running the command in the correct dir?
[03:33] <shakuhashi> hi
[03:33] <Ne0phyt3> what dir do i have to run it in?
[03:34] <Ne0phyt3> im in home/myaccount
[03:34] <shakuhashi> which is the name of the ubuntu distro for old machines?
[03:34] <shakuhashi> the one we start installing as a server..
[03:34] <bimberi> Ne0phyt3: the same as the file (unless you specify the whole path)
[03:34] <Ne0phyt3> im in that dir
[03:34] <frogzoo> Ne0phyt3: dpkg uses apt-get - if you were installing a new version, & killed the process ....
[03:34] <WeiLi> on ubuntu live I'm unable to make changes because apparently i'm not the root, how would I get "root" status?
[03:34] <intelikey> the one it is in.   if 'ls ' shows the .deb run it in that dir else cd to where ever it is and run dpkg -i blah there.
[03:34] <linkd> WeiLi: sudo
[03:34] <bimberi> Ne0phyt3: typo then?
[03:35] <Toma-> WeiLi: use "sudo""
[03:35] <vladuz976> i am building a kernel, for usb digi camera supports, what drives should i enable in the kernel?
[03:35] <Ne0phyt3> ok i dont have apt-get
[03:35] <bimberi> shakuhashi: xubuntu?
[03:35] <Ne0phyt3> thats what im tyring to install
[03:35] <WeiLi> use sudo in the terminal?
[03:35] <MMond> Ne0phyt3: Why don't you have that?
[03:35] <intelikey> frogzoo "dpkg uses apt-get"  error.   backwards my friend.
[03:36] <linkd> WeiLi: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo would be useful for you to read :)
[03:36] <WeiLi> ok thanks
[03:36] <Dido-> what's should i type to run samba in graphical mode
[03:36] <frogzoo> intelikey: ah, the expert i c - thx
[03:36] <Ne0phyt3> because in adept i accidentally select gcc 4.01 or wahtever to be uninstalled
[03:36] <bimberi> Dido-: what are you trying to do?
[03:36] <Ne0phyt3> then it started uninstalling a bunch of other projects
[03:36] <shakuhashi> bimberi: this is a good choice but there is another one
[03:36] <shakuhashi> bimberi: i'm trying to remember the name
[03:37] <optish> what's the trick to getting firestarter to recognize dnsmasq with connection sharing...i can get dhcp request to work if i turn off firestarter and leave dnsmasq running
[03:37] <MMond> Well, you are in GUI mode, right Ne0phyt3?
[03:37] <Ne0phyt3> no
[03:37] <Ne0phyt3> yeah
[03:37] <Ne0phyt3> i mean im in xwindows
[03:37] <bimberi> Dido-: Places -> Connect to Server (if you're connecting to a windows share)
[03:37] <Dido-> bimberi, i'm going to (try to) setup a lan network
[03:37] <Ne0phyt3> but tyring to install this through Konsole
[03:37] <intelikey> frogzoo you can dpkg -r apt* and still use dpkg.  you can not apt-get remove dpkg  and still use apt....   check the deps.
[03:37] <Ne0phyt3> i just dont want to reinstall all of ubuntu if i can get these 10 or 20 packages back
[03:37] <MMond> What window manager are you using, by the way?
[03:38] <z0rz> Wow that was weird
[03:38] <bimberi> shakuhashi: i don't think there's another *ubuntu flavour per se, but there is fluxbox
[03:38] <Ne0phyt3> should i just reinstall?
[03:38] <intelikey> Ne0phyt3 is synaptic installed ?
[03:38] <alekz> anyone has a ipod running with ubuntu ?
[03:38] <Ne0phyt3> whats synaptic?
[03:39] <Ne0phyt3> the only package manager ive ever used is adept
[03:39] <Ne0phyt3> i only installed today so i dont really know what im doing
[03:39] <z0rz> I couldn't ping any connection on my network and I had my default gateway/subnetmask/ip set up right .. the ethernet status light was normal and everything sound have been working
[03:39] <bimberi> Dido-: ok, do you want ubuntu to run as a file (or print) server?
[03:39] <z0rz> I simply unplugged the net cable and plugged it back in and it fixed it... Anyone know why (using static ip)?
[03:39] <bimberi> Dido-: or just for it to be able to access other servers?
[03:39] <Ne0phyt3> ah
[03:39] <Dido-> bimberi, just to be able to transfer files with the xp pc
[03:40] <Ne0phyt3> for some reason
[03:40] <WeiLi> on ubuntu live i typed in sudo apt-get install w32codecs but it says that it can't find package w32codecs how do i get by this?
[03:40] <Ne0phyt3> i couldnt isntall as root
[03:40] <intelikey> Ne0phyt3 in a terminal (konsole) type 'sudo synaptic '   if it is there you can install what you need there.
[03:40] <Ne0phyt3> i got apt installed as a regular user
[03:40] <AtlantisX> apt as regular user won't help you much
[03:40] <bimberi> Dido-: ok, share the folder on XP and then connect to it via Places -> Connect to Server...
[03:40] <Ne0phyt3> awesome
[03:40] <frogzoo> z0rz: I get the same problem occassionally & nothing helps but disconnect/reconnect
[03:40] <Ne0phyt3> now im reinstalling adept
[03:41] <Ne0phyt3> which is what i used to uninstall stuff before
[03:41] <z0rz> weird
[03:41] <Ne0phyt3> and can probably use to reinstall now
[03:41] <Ne0phyt3> :-D
[03:41] <Dido-> bimberi, the problem is that xp pc doesn't see mine
[03:41] <intelikey> synaptic = GUI frontend for dpkg.
[03:41] <Ne0phyt3> gotcha
[03:41] <AtlantisX> Ne0phyt3: What exactly did you uninstall? Adept or apt-get?
[03:41] <Ne0phyt3> is adept just like a branch off of dpkg? cuz it deals with packages and dependencies as well
[03:41] <Ne0phyt3> both
[03:41] <Ne0phyt3> i just had dpkg
[03:41] <z0rz> frogzoo kinda makes a remote system w/o kvm a bitch
[03:42] <Ne0phyt3> i downloaded apt from the net and put it on my ipod then onto laptop /home dir
[03:42] <AtlantisX> lol
[03:42] <bimberi> Dido-: ok, if you want to serve from ubuntu, then System -> Administration -> Shared Folders
[03:42] <Ne0phyt3> wouldnt install w/ dpkg as root for some reason, so i did an "exit" and as my normal user i was able to install it
[03:42] <intelikey> Ne0phyt3 no it is a frontend for dpkg
[03:42] <Ne0phyt3> then with apt i did apt install adept
[03:42] <Ne0phyt3> now in adept reinstalling what was uninstalled before
[03:42] <bimberi> Dido-: more here - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SettingUpSamba?highlight=%28settingupsamba%29
[03:42] <AtlantisX> Ne0phyt3: You can actually do that as normal user without sudo?
[03:43] <bimberi> heh, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SettingUpSamba    (a bit tidier)
[03:43] <Ne0phyt3> yeah
[03:43] <frogzoo> z0rz: it looks like an autonegotiation problem - but Im not sure when end is the problem - the nic or my (wireless) modem
[03:43] <Ne0phyt3> it woudlnt work as root
[03:43] <Ne0phyt3> but worked as reguler user
[03:43] <Ne0phyt3> how weird is that
[03:43] <KissMyAssDblHash> UdontKnow, quit it ass
[03:43] <z0rz> well I have the realktek 8139c chipset on my nic and a linksys wrt54g wrouter
[03:43] <z0rz> router*
[03:44] <Ne0phyt3> now if someone could help me with my original problem my life would be complete lol
[03:44] <AtlantisX> Ne0phyt3: That should not be possible without su or sudo >_>
[03:44] <Ne0phyt3> :-/ it happened
[03:44] <Dido-> bimberi, thanks
[03:44] <bimberi> Dido-: yw :)
[03:44] <intelikey> AtlantisX local install
[03:44] <Ne0phyt3> the original problem was getting my wpc54g v2 linksys wifi card to work
[03:45] <Ne0phyt3> ubuntu tries to use texas instruments acx 100/111 driver to install it based on chipset, but it doesn't work at all
[03:45] <Ne0phyt3> and all the forums ive read have just recomended ndiswrapper and newest drivers from linksys
[03:45] <Ne0phyt3> which also isnt working..
[03:46] <Ne0phyt3> oh yeah, is there a way to install the remaining 300 packages?
[03:46] <Ne0phyt3> i have 935 installed it says there are like 1100 or 1200 total, can i just install them all to avoid dependency issues?
[03:46] <AtlantisX> Ne0phyt3: You removed them by uninstalling what? gcc, right? Just reinstall gcc. ;p
[03:47] <Ne0phyt3> yeah i just did :-D
[03:47] <Ne0phyt3> thanks
[03:47] <intelikey> Ne0phyt3 search wikis for repos
[03:47] <frogzoo> z0rz: you running pppoe over that link?
[03:47] <intelikey> Ne0phyt3 there are near 16000 packages
[03:48] <Ne0phyt3> well with this cd there are about 1200
[03:48] <intelikey> yes that is why you need to look up repos on the wiki Ne0phyt3
[03:48] <intelikey> !repos
[03:48] <intelikey> but the bot is not here right now.
[03:49] <z0rz> yeah frogzoo
[03:49] <Mr> ai blz
[03:49] <z0rz> but what's weird is the ubuntu box is on the local network.. and when it happends.. I can't ping anything (not even the router)
[03:49] <Mr> #ubuntu br
[03:50] <frogzoo> z0rz: I think there's a problem when pppoe kicks off before the nics up - I disabled the auto start for pppoe - & bring it up by hand - now works every time
[03:50] <bondo> Does Anybody use Cedega\UBuntu64bitBreezy?
[03:51] <optish> can some tell me what's the trick to getting firestarter to recognize dnsmasq with connection sharing...i can get dhcp request to work if i turn off firestarter and leave dnsmasq running
[03:51] <Mr> cle/0,aid,120763,pg,12,00.asp | No pea por ajuda, diga logo sua dvida!
[03:51] <Razor-X> !es
[03:51] <z0rz> English please
[03:51] <Razor-X> Ubotu?!
[03:51] <Suentis> How can I get my soundblaster sound card to work?
[03:51] <Razor-X> noooo!!!
[03:51] <ilba7r> how can i make a package list of the packages I have on one pc inorder to install them on another pc
[03:52] <intelikey> Razor-X ubotu is AWOL again
[03:52] <Razor-X> Mr: #ubuntu-es
[03:52] <doofy`> how do I enable DMA on a SATA drive?
[03:52] <Kuyaedz> ilba7r: dpkg -l I believe..
[03:52] <mephis1987> i curently run with dual boot
[03:52] <ilba7r> thanx Kuaedz
[03:52] <frogzoo> mr -> #ubuntu-es per favor
[03:52] <mephis1987> but i want to dual run
[03:52] <jackmacokc> has anyone ever configured CGIIRC?
[03:52] <Kuyaedz> ilba7r: going to list quite a bit.  Might want to dpkg -l > list.txt
[03:52] <Razor-X> frogzoo: I think it was ``por favor'' :)
[03:52] <mephis1987> i mean i want to run windows and linux at the same time
[03:53] <frogzoo> thx ;)
[03:53] <mephis1987> can i do that?
[03:53] <z0rz> wow they even have a spanish tech support
[03:53] <Dido-> My processor constantly uses 100% ... wtf?!
[03:53] <intelikey> ilba7r man apt-cache
[03:53] <Razor-X> mephis1987: dual boot is the term you're looking for
[03:53] <z0rz> now that's one popular distro
[03:53] <Kuyaedz> yes mephis1987
[03:53] <doofy`> when i  try sudo hdparm -d1 /dev/sda it says  setting using_dma to 1 (on)
[03:53] <doofy`>  HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device
[03:53] <ilba7r> thanx Kuaedz i was going to pipe them to text file
[03:53] <Razor-X> z0rz: of course, there should be help for human beings of all languages
[03:53] <jackmacokc> mephis1987: with vmware you can
[03:53] <Razor-X> ....even though I see no Ubuntu Bengali help
[03:53] <frogzoo> z0rz: ubuntu is big in Columbia & Brazil
[03:53] <ilba7r> will try it intelikey though i only use aptitude will see if it make a diff
[03:53] <eggie> anyone give me a hand with live cd?
[03:53] <mephis1987> i mean i want to run both Linux and Windows OS
[03:53] <Razor-X> oh well, can't have everything now, can we?
[03:53] <intelikey> ilba7r man dpkg     either can do that.
[03:53] <z0rz> wow .. that's cool
[03:53] <z0rz> How do you say Ubuntu in English?
[03:53] <Razor-X> mephis1987: what Windows flavor do you run?
[03:54] <z0rz> You-Bun-Two
[03:54] <z0rz> ?
[03:54] <Razor-X> z0rz: I always wondered about that
[03:54] <Kuyaedz> mephis1987: yes you can dual-boot if thats what you're looking for--have the option of either OS at bootup
[03:54] <mephis1987> and i can swicth to each other if i want
[03:54] <Brunellus> z0rz:  I say Uh-boon-two.
[03:54] <Razor-X> z0rz: I say it the TLLTS way, ``Uh-buhn-too''
[03:54] <_jason> z0rz, ooboontoo I believe
[03:54] <mephis1987> windows XP
[03:54] <intelikey> oo-Bun-too
[03:54] <z0rz> I have some black friends that say You Bewn Two
[03:54] <jackmacokc> mephis1987: you can run linux in windows or windows in linux
[03:54] <Razor-X> although I used to say ``oo-Boon-Too''
[03:54] <Ne0phyt3> no chacne anyone in here knows how to get a linksys wireless g pcmcia network card (WPC54G v2.0) working ?
[03:54] <AtlantisX> Razor-X: Report that and someone might make a bengali support site xD
[03:54] <eggie> umm is the cdrom on a stock imac /dev/hdb or /dev/hdc?
[03:55] <jackmacokc> "eww-buhn-too" is how i say it
[03:55] <_jason> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/pronunciation :)
[03:55] <Kuyaedz> Ne0phyt3: I checked the wiki and that doesn't have much help.  I have worked a lot with wireless & ndiswrapper.  Best thing is to find the right driver
[03:55] <mephis1987> i dont mean dual boot , i prefer dual run
[03:55] <Kuyaedz> thanks _jason
[03:55] <Dido-> My processor constantly uses 100% ... The problem is in firefox-bin, everything went normal when I stopped the proccess, any solutions?
[03:55] <frogzoo> lol _jason - someone had to know
[03:55] <z0rz> look slike the majority so eww-buhn-too
[03:55] <robotgeek> I have 2 machines connecting to the internet through a wireless router. One is connected through the ethernet cable, and the other using a wireless card. i ran a traceroute, and the computer with the wireless interface is lossing somewhere outside my router. i have no clue why this is happening. anyone?
[03:55] <mephis1987> the term dual run is better
[03:55] <factotum> i call it henry
[03:55] <z0rz> I say You-buhn-too
[03:55] <Razor-X> for that matter, how do you pronounce SABDFL? I say (Sa-hb dee-eff-ell) but others can say (ess aay dee eff ell) or (sa-hb d-uh-fuhl)
[03:55] <intelikey> jackmacokc eww     :)
[03:55] <eggie> oops did i fail to say hello from japan?
[03:55] <mephis1987> is there any software that can run both of them as the same time ?
[03:55] <Razor-X> mephis1987: as long as you have free space, and you have defragmented your NTFS partition, it should be good to go
[03:56] <Razor-X> eggie: you're from Japan? awesomeness
[03:56] <jcsmith> i say oo-boon-to
[03:56] <eggie> well i guess lol
[03:56] <Razor-X> mephis1987: but I *STRONGLY* suggest getting Partition Magic
[03:56] <mephis1987> uhm
[03:56] <mephis1987> I have been using PM8.0
[03:56] <AtlantisX> eggie: How do you pronounce it there?
[03:56] <Razor-X> eggie: I'm learning your language :P
[03:56] <nueefh> Sollog predicted: GNU GENERAL PUBLIC LICENSE
[03:56] <lllluwuwucv> Sollog predicted: GNU GENERAL PUBLIC LICENSE
[03:56] <poiuerhf> Sollog predicted: GNU GENERAL PUBLIC LICENSE
[03:56] <eggie> good for you  pronounce what?
[03:56] <nueefh> Sollog predicted: Version 2, June 1991
[03:56] <uuuenvbvb> Sollog predicted: GNU GENERAL PUBLIC LICENSE
[03:56] <mmmmmwer> Sollog predicted: GNU GENERAL PUBLIC LICENSE
[03:56] <poiuerhf> Sollog predicted: Version 2, June 1991
[03:56] <uuuenvbvb> Sollog predicted: Version 2, June 1991
[03:56] <nueefh> Sollog predicted:
[03:56] <lllsuehrf> Sollog predicted: GNU GENERAL PUBLIC LICENSE
[03:56] <lllluwuwucv> Sollog predicted: Version 2, June 1991
[03:56] <muuuuwwnc> Sollog predicted: GNU GENERAL PUBLIC LICENSE
[03:56] <uuuenvbvb> Sollog predicted:
[03:56] <mmmmmwer> Sollog predicted: Version 2, June 1991
[03:56] <nueefh> Sollog predicted: Copyright (C) 1989, 1991 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
[03:56] <lllluwuwucv> Sollog predicted:
[03:56] <lllsuehrf> Sollog predicted: Version 2, June 1991
[03:56] <poiuerhf> Sollog predicted:
[03:56] <mephis1987> but PM only provides dual boot
[03:56] <muuuuwwnc> Sollog predicted: Version 2, June 1991
[03:57] <mmmmmwer> Sollog predicted:
[03:57] <nueefh> Sollog predicted: 59 Temple Place, Suite 330, Boston, MA  02111-1307  USA
[03:57] <robotgeek> !ops
[03:57] <lllluwuwucv> Sollog predicted: Copyright (C) 1989, 1991 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
[03:57] <lllsuehrf> Sollog predicted:
[03:57] <poiuerhf> Sollog predicted: Copyright (C) 1989, 1991 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
[03:57] <uuuenvbvb> Sollog predicted: Copyright (C) 1989, 1991 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
[03:57] <nueefh> Sollog predicted: Everyone is permitted to copy and distribute verbatim copies
[03:57] <mmmmmwer> Sollog predicted: Copyright (C) 1989, 1991 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
[03:57] <lllluwuwucv> Sollog predicted: 59 Temple Place, Suite 330, Boston, MA  02111-1307  USA
[03:57] <poiuerhf> Sollog predicted: 59 Temple Place, Suite 330, Boston, MA  02111-1307  USA
[03:57] <lllsuehrf> Sollog predicted: Copyright (C) 1989, 1991 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
[03:57] <muuuuwwnc> Sollog predicted:
[03:57] <uuuenvbvb> Sollog predicted: 59 Temple Place, Suite 330, Boston, MA  02111-1307  USA
[03:57] <mmmmmwer> Sollog predicted: 59 Temple Place, Suite 330, Boston, MA  02111-1307  USA
[03:57] <nueefh> Sollog predicted: of this license document, but changing it is not allowed.
[03:57] <lllluwuwucv> Sollog predicted: Everyone is permitted to copy and distribute verbatim copies
[03:57] <lllsuehrf> Sollog predicted: 59 Temple Place, Suite 330, Boston, MA  02111-1307  USA
[03:57] <poiuerhf> Sollog predicted: Everyone is permitted to copy and distribute verbatim copies
[03:57] <lilo> scuse me
[03:57] <lilo> hey nalioth
[03:57] <lilo> (sorry about reaching in and grabbing)
[03:57] <nalioth> HiddenFly: lilo
[03:57] <nalioth> HiddenFly: lilo
[03:57] <nalioth> bah
[03:58] <christel> hrm
[03:58] <nalioth> np lilo
[03:58] <christel> seems you two reacted quicker than i :)
[03:58] <UdontKnow> nalioth: can -m now I think
[03:58] <nueefh> Sollog predicted: rights.
[03:58] <nueefh> Sollog predicted:
[03:58] <alekz> anyone has a ipod running with ubuntu ?
[03:58] <bobx86> k-lines are good.
[03:58] <nueefh> Sollog predicted: We protect your rights with two steps: (1) copyright the software, and
[03:58] <robotgeek> ughh
[03:58] <nueefh> Sollog predicted: (2) offer you this license which gives you legal permission to copy,
[03:58] <AtlantisX> Ubuntu seems to be wide-spread already...
[03:58] <nueefh> Sollog predicted: distribute and/or modify the software.
[03:58] <nueefh> Sollog predicted:
[03:58] <bobx86> g-lines are fun.
[03:58] <mephis1987> any solution ?
[03:58] <lilo> there we go
[03:58] <eggie> i just want to know if i can hdparm my cd drive with a live cd?
[03:58] <mephis1987> pls
[03:58] <frogzoo> :D
[03:59] <Dido-> My processor constantly uses 100% ... The problem is in firefox-bin, everything went normal when I stopped the proccess, any solutions?
[03:59] <bobx86> get some operators :-)
[03:59] <Paradosso> sethk, are you still there?
[03:59] <lilo> what was that about, hmmm
[03:59] <skiddlaptop> what's going on?
[03:59] <russell_> need some help I have installed mplayer using easy breezy and when I go to open mplayer it does nothing.
[03:59] <jackmacokc> anyone ever try to setup CGI:IRC in ubuntu?
[03:59] <eggie> bah useless forum
[03:59] <AtlantisX> Dido-: Firefox has some leaks or something, same thing happens to me on Win Firefox sometimes.
[03:59] <nalioth> lilo: i hope we won't have to go +m in here
[03:59] <_jason> Dido-, that happens to me if I run a lot of flash/java, was that true in your case as well?
[04:00] <lilo> nalioth: nah, shoudln't have to
[04:00] <Dido-> _jason, no, i had opened just 1 page
[04:00] <factotum> what is +m?
[04:00] <jackmacokc> registered mode
[04:00] <_jason> Dido-, strange, any extensions?
[04:00] <linkd> factotum: moderated
[04:00] <mephis1987> can i run both linux and windows at the same time?
[04:00] <AtlantisX> _jason: Java here. Not with flash, though.
[04:00] <factotum> ah
[04:00] <linkd> factotum: means normal users cannot send to the channel
[04:00] <mephis1987> i mean dual run
[04:00] <Acidic> Mephis1987, on seperate pc's i think :P
[04:00] <frogzoo> mephis1987: -> vmware :D
[04:00] <Kuyaedz> mephis1987: no, not on the same PC
[04:00] <Hobbsee> wouldnt that kinda defy the point of the channel?
[04:00] <mephis1987> uhm
[04:00] <jackmacokc> mephis1987: how many times are you going to ask
[04:01] <mephis1987> vmware is not free
[04:01] <jackmacokc> it is in linux
[04:01] <Razor-X> mephis1987: you can try QEmu or Bochs, or the non-free VMWare solution
[04:01] <Dido-> _jason, didn't understand you, but  i was reading only https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SettingUpSamba
[04:01] <mephis1987> wow
[04:01] <Razor-X> mephis1987: but they won't give you the True Experience
[04:01] <Razor-X> (TM)
[04:01] <nalioth> lilo: christel: ty
[04:01] <mephis1987> that s it
[04:01] <lilo> might have to +i off and on, and I guess you would want to forward to an alternate channel
[04:02] <mephis1987> thanks all
[04:02] <mephis1987> :D
[04:02] <Razor-X> and they'll probably come with more problems than help
[04:02] <AtlantisX> Anyone here familiar with reactOS?
[04:02] <russell_> mplayer is installed but when I click to open mplayer nothing happens any suggestions?
[04:02] <_jason> Dido-, do you use any extensions for firefox?
[04:02] <Razor-X> AtlantisX: somewhat
[04:02] <Acidic> Question: I may not be looking in the right spot in the ubuntu documentation. But can anyone explain how to add resolutions to the system that i didnt during installation?
[04:02] <AtlantisX> Razor-X: Is it in a useful state already?
[04:02] <Razor-X> russell_: go into a terminal and type in ``mplayer foo'' where foo is the media file you want
[04:02] <Razor-X> AtlantisX: last time I checked (which wasn't too recently), no :(
[04:03] <Dido-> _jason, i don't know about extensions, so i guess not
[04:03] <Mr> ow
[04:03] <Dido-> ;)
[04:03] <russell_> thks will try that
[04:03] <AtlantisX> Acidic: I think you can run xconfig for that.
[04:03] <_jason> Dido-, can you repeat the experience or did it go away when you restarted firefox?
[04:03] <Acidic> ill, give that a go
[04:03] <intelikey> Acidic you can 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver.xorg '
[04:03] <Razor-X> AtlantisX: my god, it's usable
[04:03] <AtlantisX> intelikey: Sounds better than my idea... xDD
[04:03] <jackmacokc> acidic, what intelikey said
[04:04] <AtlantisX> Razor-X: Hmm...
[04:04] <Razor-X> AtlantisX: wow... thanks for reminding me....
[04:04] <Dido-> _jason, the process is still stopped, i'll check again, but before that (i've rebooted several times) it was the same
[04:04] <russell_> nope not working. I really dont like Totem
[04:04] <AtlantisX> Razor-X: Maybe the question was wrong since we are talking about a reimplementation of an OS which is unuseable itseld... xD
[04:04] <AtlantisX> *itself
[04:04] <frogzoo> jackmacokc: u sure vmwares free for Linux? this says $189 -  http://www.vmware.com/request_processor?nextPage=/vmwarestore/newstore/category.jsp&action=CATALOG.GETGROUPS&application=store&ProductGroupCodes=EXT-STORE-WKST-WIN,EXT-STORE-WKST-LX
[04:04] <Dido-> _jason, yep, at the moment i start firefox it goes to 100% and it doesn't move
[04:05] <_jason> Dido-, was this always the case or did it just start happening?
[04:05] <sethk> frogzoo, it's free if you have a gun and a ski mask
[04:05] <russell_> well guess I will google some more
[04:05] <AtlantisX> Dido-: Sounds like an extension that eats your memory. Which autostarting extensions do you have?
[04:05] <Dido-> _jason, just started, don't know exactly when
[04:05] <Razor-X> AtlantisX: :P, even still, the images boggle my mind
[04:05] <_jason> Dido-, run 'firefox -safe-mode' and see if it still does it (close all firefox instances beforehand)
[04:06] <intelikey> sethk or live in middle east
[04:06] <frogzoo> seth_k: cool, Im in business :)
[04:06] <jackmacokc> frogzoo: as long as you use the vmware viewer it is
[04:07] <sethk> seth_k must think I'm here to confuse people, only I registered this nick two years ago.  :)
[04:07] <Acidic> intelikey, it tells me that xserver.xorg is not installed
[04:07] <intelikey> maybe -
[04:07] <Razor-X> sethk: more than confusing, you're making me go the extra mile in tab-complete
[04:07] <AtlantisX> Acidic: o.O Then you use X11, I guess.
[04:07] <Acidic> gnome?
[04:07] <Razor-X> sethk: you're making me type more, dern you
[04:07] <intelikey> xserver-xorg ?
[04:08] <robotgeek> any network gurus around?
[04:08] <Acidic> intelikey, that works
[04:08] <MMMond> Razor-X: mc is.. well, very novel, to say the least. Any more suggestions? :)
[04:08] <intelikey> if i used ub or xorg i'd check it for you....oh  ok
[04:08] <Razor-X> MMMond: have you tried out twin?
[04:08] <MMMond> Nope, what is it, if I may ask?
[04:08] <Razor-X> MMMond: it's a desktop environment for the CLI, using ncurses
[04:08] <Paradosso> postfix hangs while reading e-mail fetched by fetchmail: any hints?
[04:08] <Razor-X> MMMond: awesome stuff
[04:08] <Dido-> _jason, now it seems to be normal. it says: *** loading the extensions datasource so i guess use them
[04:09] <MMMond> Getting it right now then
[04:09] <seth_k> sethk, roger that ;) funny that we should both end up in #ubuntu, even
[04:09] <seth_k> sethk, but I got seth@ubuntu.com, so I win :P
[04:09] <_jason> Dido-, ok start up firefox normally and go to tools -> extensions, let me know what is there
[04:09] <intelikey> twin  hmmmm.
[04:09] <robotgeek> seth_k & sethk this is the first time i've seen you both
[04:10] <Dido-> _jason, umm actually i think all started when i installed some "plugin" for playing videos online but im not sure
[04:10] <seth_k> robotgeek, I notice us in here together a lot, mostly b/c people ping me instead of him :D
[04:10] <Razor-X> seth_k and sethk back to back!
[04:10] <seth_k> robotgeek, good thing I do most of my support in #kubuntu
[04:10] <sethk> my Marvell gigabit card hangs periodically with 2.6.12
[04:10] <_jason> Dido-, quite possibly, what plugin is this?
[04:10] <robotgeek> seth_k: lol
[04:10] <frogzoo> jackmacokc: ah - the "vmware player" - i c, thx
[04:10] <Dido-> _jason, yep that mediaplayer connectivity is there
[04:10] <Padre> how do i get boinc to run as a daemon process?
[04:10] <jackmacokc> frogzoo: no prob..lemme know if you need any help..i've got it setup on this box
[04:10] <Acidic> intelikey, thanks for the help :)
[04:10] <sethk> I think I was almost 20 before I met someone with the same first name.  But that was a _long_ time ago.  It's getting common these days.  :)
[04:10] <robotgeek> I have 2 machines connecting to the internet through a wireless router. One is connected through the ethernet cable, and the other using a wireless card. i ran a traceroute, and the computer with the wireless interface is lossing connection somewhere outside my router. i have no clue why this is happening. anyone?
[04:10] <intelikey> np
[04:11] <AtlantisX> Me wants to get rid of Windows on me comp. >-<
[04:11] <_jason> Dido-, ok well you can remove it and see if it was causing the problems (you can always put it back later if it turns out it wasnt)
[04:11] <seth_k> sethk, yup, my mum named me b/c it was a rare name back in the day
[04:11] <MMMond> ok, not having the best of things: "twin: ALL DISPLAY DRIVERS FAILED. QUITTING."
[04:11] <Acidic> intelikey, another problem has arisen, I added 1280x1024 to the resolution table, and now 1024x768 is still the highest available... Do i need a system restart?
[04:11] <Goldfish> I want to configure my wireless laptop with two profiles: one being to connect to my home wireless LAN, the other to switch to connecting to any open AP. Any links to ubuntu forums detailing this?
[04:12] <AtlantisX> Acidic: Probably have to restart the x server.
[04:12] <jackmacokc> acidic, yes, you do have to restart
[04:12] <aram> hi people
[04:12] <Acidic> alright
[04:12] <intelikey> AtlantisX to rid your slef of the M$ problem, 'sudo cfdisk /dev/hda '  and go to work  :)
[04:12] <jackmacokc> it has to reload certain modules to update that info
[04:13] <AtlantisX> intelikey: That would require me install some *nix first, which I am trying right now. xD
[04:13] <aram> i wanted to ask you,if anybody know a prog lik DC++ doing the same job
[04:13] <intelikey> Acidic x restart.    ctrl+alt+backspace.
[04:13] <jackmacokc> intelikly, acidic -x restart is not enough
[04:13] <AtlantisX> aram: There is a linux version of DC++ but it was hard to get. >_>
[04:14] <intelikey> an AtlantisX just use the partitioner in the ub install    (assumes ubuntu)
[04:14] <jackmacokc> or so i read
[04:14] <dave_> everyonewhohelped, thanks
[04:14] <aram> hm....
[04:14] <aram> hard to get???
[04:14] <sethk> damn, the kernel bz2 from kernel.org is up to 37 meg
[04:14] <intelikey> jackmacokc what you talking about ?
[04:14] <Razor-X> aram: there are other clients, though
[04:15] <aram> like?
[04:15] <AtlantisX> intelikey: =_= Gotta get to that point first which is fucking complicated w/o any drives. xDD
[04:15] <Razor-X> aram: just run a package search in apt/aptitude/synaptic for dc
[04:15] <jackmacokc> intelikey: acidic's resolution problem with xserver?
[04:15] <intelikey> ah AtlantisX i see.
[04:15] <AtlantisX> Razor-X: I had to alien it. But that was couple of months before.
[04:15] <Dido-> _jason, yeh it's ok now, thank you very much, i was near to be disapointed from ubuntu actually lol
[04:16] <intelikey> jackmacokc sense when is restarting the xserver not enough to read in new rez ?
[04:16] <_jason> Dido-, that's strange, I haven't used that extension but I've seen a lot of people recommend it.  What version of firefox are you using?  and did you install it form the mozilla site or somewhere else
[04:16] <jackmacokc> intelikey, i've never seen it work
[04:16] <aram> ok thanks ....
[04:16] <intelikey> jackmacokc he's not implimenting new drivers.
[04:17] <Dido-> _jason, 1.0.7, it's included in ubuntu
[04:17] <jackmacokc> intelikey: i read that doesn't matter..but i could've been misinformed.
[04:17] <intelikey> well i confess xorg iliteracy, and concent to jackmacokc's supremicy.
[04:17] <jackmacokc> lol, i know nothing :)
[04:17] <_jason> Dido-, well for viewing media in firefox you can try mplayerplug-in.  Works well for me
[04:18] <B1zz> sweet!
[04:18] <B1zz> it works!
[04:18] <jackmacokc> just trying to regergitate what i've read
[04:18] <_jason> Dido-, I assu,e the totem plug-in wasn't doing it for you?
[04:18] <Karling76> anybody here tried installing asterisk
[04:18] <Karling76> using ubuntu
[04:18] <Karling76> i need some help
[04:19] <intelikey> i only know i see a lot  (A FREAKING LOT) of un-nessary reboots in here.   linux is not 'micro-reboot'  :)
[04:19] <AtlantisX> Hmmm.... Okay.... question for the real geeks here... Does anyone know the neomagic ZX card? If so, does it support GL under Ubuntu? xD
[04:19] <Dido-> _jason, actually i dont need viewing media.. just once, never needed to before
[04:19] <_jason> Dido-, ok, enjoy ubuntu then :)
[04:19] <Razor-X> AtlantisX: google it up :P
[04:19] <Goldfish> Any of you have runtime experience with network-manager?
[04:19] <alekz> anyone has a ipod running with ubuntu ?
[04:19] <Karling76> hello
[04:19] <AtlantisX> Razor-X: Later... xD Just wanted to see if the close range sources may know it... xD
[04:20] <Razor-X> Karling76: Asterisk.... never attempted it, felt too much a hastle, sorry
[04:20] <Karling76> hi alekz.. my ipod is working properly with ubuntu
[04:20] <alekz> Karling76, wich gen is ur ipod ?
[04:20] <Dido-> _jason, thank you ;) still configurating it but enjoying for sure, i'm about to forget windows
[04:20] <Dido-> ;] 
[04:20] <Karling76> 4th gen 20G
[04:20] <Goldfish> One person in mlinux.org (Melbourne Linux Users Group) has demonstrated asterisk, and has an IP phone. Kind of neat.
[04:20] <_jason> Dido-, windows, what's that? ;)
[04:21] <AtlantisX> Dido-: Windows will soon have less functions than Linux, especially with wine... *-*
[04:21] <Dido-> can't tell exactly.. some call it os
[04:21] <alekz> Karling76,  u just use it on linux or first time on windows/mac ?
[04:21] <Dido-> ;)0
[04:21] <Kyral> Windows has no use to me! Give yourself over to GNU!
[04:21] <Dido-> AtlantisX, i think it already has less functions then linux
[04:21] <mrkoje> _jason,  Asterisk is awsome!
[04:21] <sophie_> AtlantisX: I dont think we need wine to get a fully functional linux distro
[04:22] <mrkoje> _jason,  I have been using it for 3 months now.
[04:22] <Razor-X> MMMond: perchance, would you like to browse images?
[04:22] <Karling76> actually i tried it on all of the 3
[04:22] <AtlantisX> What I would like to see now is a Kwine or something that clings to the KDE interface, so you can seemlessly open win files from the KDE.
[04:22] <Goldfish> I played enough with wine. Used it to keep Quicken running. Then they announced no more support for that version, so I moved to moneydance. Works great.
[04:22] <_jason> mrkoje, ok, you can tell me about it in #ubuntu-offtopic if you'd like
[04:22] <mrkoje> _jason,  sorry.... wrong person.. I was after Goldfish
[04:22] <alekz> Karling76, look i have a 5th gen ipod i've just bought it 2 hours ago, i cant add files using gtkpod should i use it first on win/mac ?
[04:23] <_jason> mrkoje, lol i figured as much :)
[04:23] <Dido-> I managed to install wine today, but it doesn't seems to do good... but i didn't test it well already
[04:23] <_linuxn00b> hey everyone
[04:23] <Goldfish> mrkoje: Ehh? Come again.
[04:23] <Karling76> alekz, i think it's safer to use it first using the bundled softwares in windows or mac
[04:24] <AtlantisX> Dido-: The standard wine that comes with the distro or a fresh build?
[04:24] <alekz> Karling76, i tought that :P i'll try that and then on linux again
[04:24] <Paradosso> hi everybody
[04:24] <_linuxn00b> i was hoping someone could help me fix my mbr so that i can re-install xp
[04:24] <mrkoje> Goldfish,  talking about Asterisk
[04:24] <_linuxn00b> grub seems to have screwed me over
[04:24] <mrkoje> Goldfish,  its cool.... use it everyday
[04:24] <Karling76> ok alekz... goodluck
[04:24] <Karling76> nice gadget you got there
[04:24] <Paradosso> my porblem is: when I retrieve mail using fetchmail + postfix, it hangs just after the MAIL FROM line
[04:24] <alekz> thanks :)
[04:24] <Paradosso> I really cant' figure why
[04:25] <Paradosso> any hints, please?
[04:25] <Dido-> AtlantisX, i didn't got it included in ubuntu, "fresh" install with much much struggling
[04:25] <AtlantisX> Dido-: No apt-get --build wine or whatever it was?
[04:26] <AtlantisX> Dido-: On my other comp I just added some repos, then compiled my own wine... Hrhr... deadly mix... xD
[04:26] <_linuxn00b> can someone help me with a boot problem? ;)
[04:26] <Toma-> _linuxn00b: you want the windows xp boot loader?
[04:26] <_linuxn00b> can i pm you toma?
[04:26] <Toma-> no
[04:26] <_linuxn00b> ok
[04:26] <AtlantisX> lol
[04:27] <intelikey> _linuxn00b describe your problem and the desired end and we can help.
[04:27] <Dido-> AtlantisX, when i start winetools it says i'm using other version of wine so im using it on my own
[04:27] <Dido-> may be there's the prob
[04:27] <AtlantisX> PMing with problems is inefficient... o.O
[04:27] <Toma-> and annoying
[04:27] <cameron> is anyone in here a kernel compiling pro?
[04:27] <_linuxn00b> i had ubuntu installed as dual boot but i need software that only xp can run (easily) so unfortunately i need to move back to xp
[04:27] <Toma-> cameron: i know enough..
[04:27] <AtlantisX> Dido-: I'd config it by hand, may take longer but also makes it faster.
[04:27] <Goldfish> mrkoje: You reading me? I was just installing network-manager and got bumped off the internet in the process.
[04:28] <_linuxn00b> when i try to install xp it won't boot into the second part of the xp installation
[04:28] <Toma-> _linuxn00b: cant you boot winxp thru grub?
[04:28] <Dido-> AtlantisX, could I use your version?
[04:28] <_linuxn00b> no... it says error loading operating system
[04:28] <cameron> Toma-: i have a pentium D which i want to compile a kernel for, it is EMT64
[04:28] <_linuxn00b> i tried fixmbr fixboot etc... and nothing
[04:28] <AtlantisX> Dido-: Lost it, sorry... But since I will have to redo it anyway, I'll send it to you then.
[04:28] <cameron> Toma-:  should i compile amd64-generic?
[04:28] <Toma-> hmmmmmmmm
[04:28] <cameron> Toma-:  the installer picked amd64-xeon for me
[04:28] <tritium> cameron, I wouldn't bother to compile a custom kernel
[04:28] <Toma-> there was a thread on emt64 on the ubuntu site
[04:29] <_linuxn00b> i can get into the xp setup but when it reboots to complete the setup it just starts over... if that makes sense
[04:29] <cameron> Toma-:  i just searched and couldnt find anything
[04:29] <cameron> but ill look again
[04:29] <Goldfish> mrkkoje: They used asterisk to setup a service after hurricane Katrina. You dialed into a 1-800 number, entered someone's phone number, and you could leave a message or play one. It helped people contact relatives.
[04:29] <Toma-> _linuxn00b: so.. you install it, then you try running the 2nd part from the harddrive?
[04:30] <Dido-> AtlantisX, right thanks ;]  any advices to install a good (tested) version before that
[04:30] <jackmacokc> anybody know where i can find the cgi-bin directory?
[04:30] <_linuxn00b> yeah but all i get is "press any key to load from cd..." and if don't press a key it says 'error loading operating system' if i do press a key it goes through the first part of the setup again
[04:30] <mrkoje> Goldfish,  oh thats cool... good use of the technology
[04:30] <Toma-> cameron: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-84747.html
[04:30] <Viking667> got a really quick cloop question. What -t do I need for mount to mount an Ubuntu's filesystem.cloop? I've already got the cloop module loaded, all I need is what to tell "mount"
[04:30] <intelikey> _linuxn00b you trying to get away from linux altogather ?    or just trying to duel boot linux/winxp ?
[04:30] <Goldfish> mrkoje: I always like seeing Linux being used in the real world. Tells you it is more than a "geek fad" but instead reality.
[04:30] <Toma-> _linuxn00b: and the "error laoding operating system" is coming after grub?
[04:31] <_linuxn00b> Toma-: i beleive so... although it's not really saying anything about grub anymore
[04:31] <cameron> Toma-:  i was hopinh to run an EMT64-SMP kernel but the one in the repo is out of date
[04:31] <_linuxn00b> intelikey: yes i am trying to go back to xp entirely
[04:31] <AtlantisX> Dido-: Not sure but...
[04:31] <mrkoje> Goldfish,  true
[04:31] <AtlantisX> Dido-: You can always compile one yourself.
[04:31] <aparra> hi
[04:31] <siriusnova> hey anyone here use audacity?
[04:31] <_linuxn00b> although i wouldnt mind a dualboot i can't get a single boot figured out so i thought i'd better keep it simple
[04:31] <Dido-> AtlantisX, lol no i can't ;))
[04:31] <Toma-> siriusnova: i do
[04:32] <aparra> who know how see the proyects in a cvs server?
[04:32] <AtlantisX> Dido-: apt-get build wine should do
[04:32] <AtlantisX> Dido-: Or just do sudo apt-get upgrade, that may help as well.
[04:32] <siriusnova> Toma - stupid question, but when you have a sound file loaded, how do you jump do a spot within the sound file?
[04:32] <Goldfish> I just installed network-manager, and launched it by typing sudo /usr/bin/nm-applet &. How can I get my system to run this everything I login? I was GNOME/ubuntu had something slicker than editing a .login file.
[04:32] <siriusnova> like say I want to use my mouse to jump to 5 seconds
[04:33] <siriusnova> after the song starts
[04:33] <Goldfish> Err...run this thing.
[04:33] <_linuxn00b> ok... without a disk in the drive i all i get is "error loading operating system" nothing else
[04:33] <intelikey> _linuxn00b duel boot might be easier for you.    grub should be able to chainload  xp  but Toma-  may have a link for you or something.
[04:33] <aparra> who know how see the proyects in a cvs server? ?
[04:33] <Dido-> AtlantisX, "0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded" on apt-get upgrade ;[
[04:33] <AtlantisX> My PC has a dir named minidump... o.O I just hope this means a memory dump, not that my comp shit itself... >_>
[04:34] <AtlantisX> Dido-: And sudo apt-get update?
[04:34] <bimberi> Goldfish: System -> Preferences -> Sessions, Startup Programs tab
[04:34] <Toma-> siriusnova: Edit > Snap-to > On, then click on 5 sec mark
[04:34] <_linuxn00b> intelikey: thanks. ;)  i wish i had left it as dualboot, that's when my problems started happening...
[04:34] <Toma-> _linuxn00b: you should have asked when you tried dual booting
[04:34] <Toma-> you might need a chainloader
[04:34] <siriusnova> Toma- got it thanks :), i was trying to click on the graph
[04:34] <Dido-> AtlantisX, :)Fetched 39.6kB in 8s (4871B/s)
[04:35] <Razor-X> GRUB has to use a chainloader
[04:35] <_linuxn00b> Toma-: yeah... i'm an idiot... :(  all i want is my computer back!!! any suggestions on what to do from here?
[04:35] <siriusnova> audacity is really cool
[04:35] <Razor-X> to boot Windows partitions, anyways
[04:35] <siriusnova> i must say
[04:35] <intelikey> _linuxn00b there is a wiki about howto setup duel winxp/ubuntu boot
[04:35] <Goldfish> bimberi: Got it. Okay, I had to run that with & (in background). Do I need to include that with the command here?
[04:35] <siriusnova> any other cool apps I dont know about?
[04:35] <jackmacokc> anybody ever install cgi:irc?
[04:35] <Dido-> AtlantisX, two wine packs, i'll try it now ;)
[04:35] <Toma-> siriusnova: it really is. :) its even pretty good on windows :O
[04:35] <_linuxn00b> ok... i'm going to go read the wiki
[04:35] <aparra> who know how see the proyects in a cvs server?
[04:35] <AtlantisX> Dido-: Hope they are better... xD
[04:35] <Toma-> siriusnova: hydrogen!
[04:35] <bimberi> Goldfish: not sure, i'd add the &
[04:35] <Jairun> what is the command to set the CC environment varible?
[04:35] <siriusnova> what is hydrogen?
[04:35] <_linuxn00b> last question... can i install ubuntu before xp?
[04:36] <_linuxn00b> and still have a dual boot?
[04:36] <Razor-X> siriusnova: why, the best app in the world has to be cowsay
[04:36] <siriusnova> Razor-X - good god I hate cowsay
[04:36] <Jairun> Linuxn00b yes, but I've found it easier to install XP first
[04:36] <siriusnova> :P
[04:36] <Goldfish> I'll be back. Gonna log out and back in to test this.
[04:36] <intelikey> _linuxn00b yes  but you need to go to ubuntu.com and search the wiki for the howto
[04:36] <Toma-> _linuxn00b: its pretty tricky. you need to use the windows boot laoder or use the ubuntu disk rescue mode
[04:36] <Razor-X> siriusnova: what?!
[04:36] <siriusnova> too many apps, we need a coolubuntuapps.com or something
[04:36] <frogzoo> _linuxn00b: xp will clobber your MBR - you will need to reinstall grub afterwards
[04:36] <siriusnova> Trying to find a cool app in synaptic is painful
[04:37] <AtlantisX> siriusnova: Just make one... ;p
[04:37] <Toma-> siriusnova: its a drum loop creator
[04:37] <siriusnova> i should
[04:37] <Viking667> siriusnova: I have no problem.
[04:37] <Toma-> siriusnova: what kinda app u after?
[04:37] <siriusnova> i should start up a CoolUbuntuApps.com
[04:37] <frogzoo> siriusnova: either browse categories or search
[04:37] <_linuxn00b> frogzoo: how do i install xp??? it won't complete the the install when i try to do it...
[04:37] <Jairun> Can someone tell me the command to set the CC variable, I need to compile new video drivers, but the default compiler is 4.0, I'm needing 3.4
[04:37] <siriusnova> with interesting apps and reviews and a rating system
[04:37] <siriusnova> screenshots too
[04:37] <AtlantisX> siriusnova: If you do, it will certainly be integrated in the community...
[04:37] <_linuxn00b> haha i'm sooo frustrated!!!
[04:37] <siriusnova> hmmm
[04:37] <Toma-> siriusnova: like icewalkers?
[04:37] <siriusnova> what is icewalkers?
[04:38] <frogzoo> siriusnova: b sure 2 include nethack-qt
[04:38] <siriusnova> i was thinking more along the lines of kde-apps.org
[04:38] <Toma-> google.
[04:38] <bimberi> Goldfish: according to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkManager  no & required :)
[04:38] <frogzoo> siriusnova: do it as a wiki - mebbe plone?
[04:38] <siriusnova> frogzoo - yeah
[04:38] <siriusnova> too much work though :p
[04:38] <AtlantisX> frogzoo: You mean nethack-qt as in apt-get nethack-qt? -.-
[04:38] <frogzoo> AtlantisX: u got it :)
[04:39] <AtlantisX> frogzoo: Just think the packets that are already registered don't have to be on a special site.
[04:39] <Toma-> _linuxn00b: can i ask what app you need to run for all this trouble?
[04:39] <Razor-X> siriusnova: how about.... emacs? :P
[04:39] <Goldfish> It works. Network Manager is pretty cool. I will have to take a little road trip sometime to Pinera to test this further.
[04:39] <siriusnova> i hate emacs with a passion
[04:39] <_linuxn00b> my windows versions of the macromedia suite and photoshop
[04:39] <siriusnova> lol
[04:39] <Dido-> AtlantisX, ba:( the same, take look on what i mean http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/i5686
[04:40] <siriusnova> emacs is more like its own operating system
[04:40] <frogzoo> AtlantisX: I have no trubs with the repo setup - but there needs to be a better way to browse the available pkgs for whats available
[04:40] <_linuxn00b> and i had a lot of trouble getting apps to work in ubuntu in general
[04:40] <Toma-> _linuxn00b: have you tried installing windows completely over everything else?
[04:40] <Razor-X> siriusnova: well, if an OS can fit in a filesize smaller than the average terminal emulator and remain flexible and customizable... hell, I'm sold :)
[04:41] <AtlantisX> frogzoo: I'm fine with synaptic. o.O
[04:41] <frogzoo> _linuxn00b: depends which apps - the core apps are pretty straight forward - but theres the learning curve of a new OS to consider
[04:41] <Razor-X> siriusnova: and is overall functional
[04:41] <siriusnova> heh
[04:41] <_linuxn00b> yeah... i have deleted all my partitions, and re-formatted them all and then tried a fresh xp install... and nothing.
[04:41] <Toma-> frogzoo: you know synaptic can be browsed by category right?
[04:41] <frogzoo> AtlantisX: synaptic doesnt give you screenshots
[04:41] <tga> hey.. my Gnome suddenly won't start, even in Failsafe mode.. what should I look at?
[04:41] <_linuxn00b> yeah... that's where i got stuck
[04:41] <Toma-> _linuxn00b: then its not a linux/grub problem...
[04:42] <_linuxn00b> Toma-: what could it be?
[04:42] <tga> ..for any user
[04:42] <Toma-> if the windows install is saying it cant find itself, then its either a faulty install or faulty install cd :(
[04:42] <tga> or a faulty operating system
[04:42] <AtlantisX> siriusnova: I think under linux it would be appropriate to have those "you might also like" links... KDE, you might also like GNOME, iceWM etc... Get what I mean?
[04:42] <_linuxn00b> hmmm
[04:42] <_linuxn00b> ok... i'm going to install ubuntu again as the primary os
[04:42] <Razor-X> AtlantisX: ... I wonder what'ld happen to ratpoison
[04:42] <frogzoo> AtlantisX: like sourceforge does
[04:43] <Razor-X> maybe it'ld be listed under screen
[04:43] <Toma-> _linuxn00b: have you heard of crossover office?
[04:43] <Goldfish> This is fun. I really GNOME. I have been using KDE on my two other Debian machines, but the windows management on GNOME is cool.
[04:43] <_linuxn00b> then i'll ask questions on how to get programs to work instead of how to get xp to work. ;)
[04:43] <_linuxn00b> yeah
[04:43] <martin> where do I need to go to get help for codec on 64 system?
[04:43] <AtlantisX> Razor-X: Hm? Ratpoison? The poor rats. T_T
[04:43] <_linuxn00b> i'm trying not to buy anymore software... thats why i wanted to switch to linux. ;)
[04:43] <_linuxn00b> but i thought wine would be enough... only i couldn't get it to install. ;)
[04:43] <Toma-> ahh i see :)
[04:43] <_linuxn00b> <--n00b
[04:43] <_linuxn00b> ;)
[04:43] <MMMond> Any idea what "twin: ALL DISPLAY DRIVERS FAILED. QUITTING" might mean? I don't really understand.. drivers?
[04:43] <AtlantisX> martin: Kaffeine gives good instructions for getting codecs.
[04:44] <martin> thank you
[04:44] <_linuxn00b> well, thank you guys for all your help!
[04:44] <Toma-> _linuxn00b: have you tried gimp? instead of photoshop... its not quite the same but its pretty powerful still
[04:44] <_linuxn00b> what a great community!
[04:44] <intelikey> _linuxn00b you could boot the live ub-cd and do a 'sudo dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda count=20 bs=512        that will blank the mbr and partition tables  then try installing xp afresh.
[04:44] <frogzoo> _linuxn00b: sudo apt-get install wine & youe done? running apps under wine though, can be troublesome
[04:44] <Goldfish> linuxn00b: It has been my experiment that leaving Windows requires a little dose of reality. You have to start learning stuff for yourself, not being dependent on M$ "helping you" anymore. But with that comes some remarkable feeling of liberation. My $0.02.
[04:44] <Goldfish> s/experiment/experience
[04:45] <steven__> hello everyone....  Does anyone have experience trying to setup jboss??
[04:45] <_linuxn00b> goldfish: i agree... i just don't know if i have the patience and the time to for the learning curve. ;)
[04:45] <martin> kaffeine is for kde?
[04:45] <martin> and not a codec but  a player
[04:45] <AtlantisX> Goldfish: Maybe, but the atmosphere here is way better than in MS support areas. You actually have fun hanging around here.
[04:45] <_linuxn00b> intelikey: thanks! let me try that!
[04:45] <intelikey> _linuxn00b my sujestion ^ assumes loosing all data on hda is acceptable.
[04:45] <techrush> MS support areas ???
[04:45] <frogzoo> ubotu > dancing paperclip
[04:45] <techrush> i never knew such a thing existed :)
[04:46] <Dido-> AtlantisX, is it possible wine to change to xp appereance or only 98
[04:46] <AtlantisX> techrush: They do, it's where all your personal info goes when you're not looking. xD
[04:46] <techrush> lol
[04:46] <_linuxn00b> intelikey: i lost it long ago (i've probably reformatted my drives 5 times by now) ;)
[04:46] <Goldfish> linuxn00b: That is why I kept dual boot on my machine for so long, and also was tinkering with wine. My finally task will be to use turbotax.com this year, so that I don't need to buy a windows-based tax software package.
[04:46] <_linuxn00b> haha
[04:46] <intelikey> _linuxn00b k  that's worth a try then.
[04:46] <AtlantisX> Dido-: Not directly, but you can change appearance to WM skin and then set your WM skin to wimp.
[04:46] <Goldfish> linuxn00b: Should that prove successful, I will have eliminated the last reason to keep my dual boot partition around, and time to free up some wanting disk space.
[04:46] <_linuxn00b> intelikey: i'm doing it now...
[04:47] <vladuz976> why does ubuntu come with gnome? many ppl don't wnat something that heavy
[04:47] <_linuxn00b> Goldfish: awesome!  good luck with that!
[04:47] <alekz> vladuz976, that's why kubuntu was realeased
[04:47] <_linuxn00b> Goldfish: someday i'll be able to do that...
[04:47] <siriusnova> heavy?
[04:47] <martin> anyone able to play avi files on ubuntu 64 version?
[04:47] <vladuz976> alekz: kubuntu is the same, too much
[04:47] <martin> really would like some help on this :(
[04:47] <siriusnova> LOL im running Ubuntu on a 400mhz PII dont tell me about heavy :P
[04:47] <alekz> vladuz976, xubuntu will be released :)
[04:48] <vladuz976> alekz: what's that/
[04:48] <vladuz976> ?
[04:48] <siriusnova> its actually a lot faster then other distros
[04:48] <techrush> yes it is
[04:48] <intelikey> martin i just wish i could afford a k7
[04:48] <Goldfish> My experience has been that KNOPPIX live CD on this laptop was much lighter weight than ubuntu breezy live CD. Can that be laid at the feet of GNOME? I like to keep KNOPPIX around as a rescue CD.
[04:48] <siriusnova> try running SUSE or Mandrake on the same laptop
[04:48] <AtlantisX> I have a temp dir of 0bytes... on windows... isn't that suspicious? I bet it's scheming something.
[04:48] <_linuxn00b> brb... i'm going to try the live cd idea
[04:48] <martin> intelikey lol :)
[04:48] <Goldfish> siriusnova: My laptop is 433 celeryonion processor. I know what you mean.
[04:48] <alekz> vladuz976, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu
[04:48] <teenbot> hey can i download like msn messenger on here like onto the program for the time being ?
[04:48] <martin> whats the use if you can't get anything to work on it... :)
[04:49] <Dido-> AtlantisX, humm.. sounds hard to me ;0 i guess i'll just wait you to make your new version
[04:49] <Dido-> ;)
[04:49] <Toma-> teenbot: you want an msn client?
[04:49] <siriusnova> actually Ubuntu on my laptop isnt that bad, its a bit slow when you start opening up multiple firefoxes buts definetly not so slow that it becomes a pain
[04:49] <Goldfish> Face it...he want's the butterfly!
[04:49] <AtlantisX> siriusnova: I use kubuntu with iceWM, works well even on lowmem PCs.
[04:49] <martin> new to linux... but this is driving me nuts :) you can't play 32bit codec on 64bit system I read, and there are no 64bit codec - then what hell do you do :)
[04:49] <teenbot> yeah i was just wondering if there was anyway to download msn messenger and then so i can use it
[04:49] <siriusnova> cool AtlantisX - im happy with Ubuntu :)
[04:49] <DRAGON_Ultra> lol goldfish
[04:50] <intelikey> siriusnova i totally disagree with the 'faster than' statement.   it is all in the setup.
[04:50] <Dr_Willis> martin,  wonder how windows does it.. and why we need soo many closed-source codecs...
[04:50] <Goldfish> martin: You may have to run a 32-boot chroot. chroot is where you convert some subdirectory into the root directory.
[04:50] <jackmacokc> anybody ever install cgi-irc?
[04:50] <teenbot> whats that
[04:50] <_linuxn00b> intelikey: all i got was 'dd: opening 'dev/hda': No such file or directory'
[04:50] <AtlantisX> siriusnova: Both gnome and kde take about 30 seconds to start up and swap all the time on my pc... While iceWM doesn't even have perceivable loading time and is hell fast.
[04:51] <Hobbsee> teenbot: try amsn or gaim
[04:51] <martin> goldfish hmm.... guessing you don't have such a system...
[04:51] <Toma-> teenbot: not really. there are alternatives, like gaim and kopete, i prefer amsn tho :)
[04:51] <Goldfish> The 64-bit architectures are really exposing what is open source and what has bits of closed stuff in them. The open source stuff is the stuff that was relatively easy to migrate.
[04:51] <Dido-> AtlantisX, can i set some different icon on all exes by default, not one by one?
[04:51] <techrush> interesting
[04:51] <intelikey> _linuxn00b look for /dev/ide/*   it maybe long addressed.
[04:51] <Goldfish> martin: My mythtv box is AMD64, and I have debian 64 on it. However, I don't use to go for flashplayer type stuff. It was useless for about 4-months due to a 64-bit glibc error.
[04:51] <siriusnova> Atlantis it helps if you have more then 128mb of ram, i have 300mb on this laptop so its not bad
[04:51] <AtlantisX> Dido-: No idea, sry. >_>
[04:51] <intelikey> _linuxn00b or even /.dev/hda
[04:51] <_linuxn00b> <---super linux n00b
[04:51] <teenbot> hey toma is there anyway you can pm me really quick or does this program do that?
[04:52] <siriusnova> AtlantisX - well yeah icewm is pretty fast but i like Gnome :D
[04:52] <_linuxn00b> intelikey: how do i look for it?
[04:52] <AtlantisX> siriusnova: Just you wait, rich boy... xD
[04:52] <techrush> gnome on ubuntu is much faster then KDE on mandrake
[04:52] <vladuz976> alekz: yeah that sounds much better, only thing, they should also take gdm out
[04:52] <intelikey> ls /.dev<tabkey>
[04:52] <Toma-> teenbot: i dont like private messages
[04:52] <Toma-> makes me nervous
[04:52] <teenbot> oo ok
[04:52] <alekz> vladuz976, tell them xD
[04:52] <AtlantisX> *will get his new comp in a few days* xD
[04:52] <Goldfish> siriusnova: This thing suffered when it was 128M. I ordered 512M to ugprade it to the max. Certainly helps out a lot. Now I have ripped CD playing the background as I yak on this IRC channel via wireless.
[04:52] <siriusnova> i need a new laptop, they are cheap but im poor :P
[04:52] <vladuz976> alekz: wehre?
[04:52] <alekz> vladuz976, dunno :P
[04:52] <intelikey> _linuxn00b tab-completion works wonders.
[04:52] <siriusnova> yeah 128mb is pretty barebones considering X takes up what like 64mb ?
[04:53] <martin> goldfish so you can play movies etc.?
[04:53] <intelikey> siriusnova are you smoking crack ?
[04:53] <teenbot> but like i just wanna run msn messenger while im running this program
[04:53] <Viking667> I love tab-completion. I miss it every time I have to go back to Windows
[04:53] <martin> goldfish sorry if I sound a little retarded :) but this is all new to me :P
[04:53] <intelikey> i run x on 64m with no swap all the time.
[04:53] <B1zz> you can try gaim
[04:53] <siriusnova> i can play movies on my 400mhz PII, high rez xvids in VLC run fine
[04:53] <siriusnova> well i meant gnome + x
[04:53] <alekz> Viking667, i think IE 7 has tabs :P
[04:53] <siriusnova> :P
[04:53] <intelikey> kde   :)
[04:53] <Viking667> alekz: so I hear.
[04:54] <_linuxn00b> intelikey: no go... i'm not sure what i'm doing. ;)
[04:54] <Goldfish> martin: I don't actually have a DVD/CD player on that machine. It records TV shows. It is pretty good at converting the stuff to MPEG4 on the CPU.
[04:54] <_linuxn00b> i'm going to go back and read up on it
[04:54] <AtlantisX> martin: Don't worry, microsoft wants everyone to think Linux is still all text'n'type.
[04:54] <Viking667> I'm not bothered though, firefox is better.
[04:54] <_linuxn00b> thanks for all the help guys. ;)
[04:54] <intelikey> k
[04:54] <Toma-> teenbot: download amsn and install it. then u can do whatever u want
[04:54] <_linuxn00b> i'll stop wasting your guys' time. ;)
[04:54] <intelikey> good luck with it _linuxn00b
[04:54] <alekz> Viking667, yeap have u tried firefox 1.5 ?
[04:54] <Toma-> never a waste of time _linuxn00b
[04:54] <doofy`> when i insert a DVD movie, it mounts, but there seems to be no content on it (at least from what nautilus shows)... it brings up the burn CD window
[04:54] <_linuxn00b> thank you all!  especially Toma-, intlikey and Goldfish! take care!
[04:54] <rei> help! i am new with this linux...and ubuntu...
[04:55] <Goldfish> martin: I'll admit I'm bragging a little. Check it out---> http://www.mindspring.com/~gregturn/right_turn/id9.html
[04:55] <alekz> rei, ask pls
[04:55] <siriusnova> AtlantisX - im actually a FreeBSD guy so I know my unix, but Ubuntu i really really nice, setting it up was simple and everything is well thought out, GUI tools are sane and well planned.
[04:55] <AtlantisX> doofy`: Totem? Or wine WMP. xDD
[04:55] <rei> how can i install mplayer?
[04:55] <teenbot> tama:  but will it erase off of my computer when i take out this linux program ?
[04:55] <siriusnova> its not like Mandrake where every GUI tool looks different
[04:55] <siriusnova> SUSE + Ubuntu are the best distros when it comes to Usability IMHO
[04:55] <alekz> rei, sudo apt-get install mozilla-mplayer
[04:55] <Toma-> teenbot: no
[04:56] <doofy`> well, AtlantisX it doesn't really matter what. browsing it with nautilus displays no content also
[04:56] <AtlantisX> siriusnova: Yeh, thought the same. I was redhat fan before, but now I <3 Ubuntu xD
[04:56] <siriusnova> Ubuntu is "macos x ish :D)
[04:56] <DRAGON_Ultra> suse was good untill I found this ubuntu
[04:56] <teenbot> yeah well i already have it downloaded on my windows though
[04:56] <rei> alekz, where do i type that?
[04:56] <alekz> rei, on a terminal
[04:56] <Goldfish> martin: I have tried playing DVDs on this laptop, mainly because this is my first DVD drive. Could have used a little more horsepower. Turned on DMA, and it was able to play okay. Stuttered occasionally.
[04:56] <concept10> Anyone using Firefox 1.5 have a bug that causes 100% CPU usage when trying to save a picture using the right click menu?
[04:56] <_jason> rei, are you looking for mplayer or mplayerplug-in with mplayer?
[04:56] <AtlantisX> siriusnova: The MacosX feel comes from gnomes taskbar... xDD
[04:56] <techrush> and the use of sudo
[04:56] <rei> i think its an mplayer only...
[04:56] <_jason> rei, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MplayerInstallHowto
[04:56] <techrush> os x uses sudo in a similar way
[04:57] <rei> i just downloaded it...and some plug ins i think
[04:57] <Goldfish> !wiki MPlayerInstallHowto
[04:57] <siriusnova> AtlantisX - true, Gnome is turning into Mac OS X lite lol
[04:57] <tga> hey.. my Gnome suddenly won't start, even in Failsafe mode.. what should I look at?
[04:57] <martin> goldfish looks awesome :)
[04:57] <Goldfish> Where is ubotu!
[04:57] <Toma-> !hello
[04:57] <AtlantisX> I find sudo a reasonable thing, you can't accidentally do a root-and-HD-goes-bang command.
[04:57] <Toma-> :(
[04:57] <techrush> it took me a day or 2 to get used to it
[04:58] <techrush> but now im fine with it
[04:58] <siriusnova> sudo is a good idea, running as root is a BAD idea
[04:58] <xkahn> what source for apt holds all the java packages for ubuntu again?
[04:58] <AtlantisX> Not like could happen to you before... "rm -rf /" Oh shit, I though I was still logged on as normal user and wanted to joke around... xD
[04:58] <siriusnova> MacOS X has a similar set up
[04:58] <rei> alekz, it says it couldnt find the package mozilla-mplayer
[04:59] <teenbot> would i be able to leave this running all night like i would windows?
[04:59] <AtlantisX> rei: mozdev.org was the site, I think.
[04:59] <intelikey> sudo is super-user do (run as root)  btw
[04:59] <drew> anyone have experience with twinview?
[04:59] <Goldfish> I admit I was apprehensive when I heard sudo was ubuntu's default setup. But I have gotten used to it, and like having the auth.log audit trail. Makes command distinctly feel user or admin oriented.
[04:59] <vr^238> is it safe to remove xterm if i'm not using it?
[04:59] <tritium> drew, yes
[04:59] <tritium> drew, did you read /usr/share/doc/nvidia-glx/README ?
[04:59] <techrush> vr^238 i wouldnt
[05:00] <vr^238> techrush: why not
[05:00] <doofy`> AtlantisX, any ideas?
[05:00] <vladuz976> does anybody know what the font is called that is used on checks on the bottom, it's sort of a monospace to not confuse numbers, i want that font for my terminal
[05:00] <drew> yes i have
[05:00] <JairunCaloth> what is the name of the X configuration tool?
[05:00] <AtlantisX> intelikey: Yeh... Didn't understand the word the first few days, just used it... Then it came to me... "su... do..." As SU do! Aha! xD
[05:00] <Sneaky_Bastard> MICR
[05:00] <techrush> well for one thing why would you want to remove it ?
[05:00] <techrush> its not large
[05:00] <Sneaky_Bastard> Magnetic Ink Character Recognition font
[05:00] <techrush> for another thing i just easily recovered my install that i broke with it
[05:00] <drew> ..and looked through many articles
[05:00] <Goldfish> Unfortunately this laptop doesn't have an nvidia card. Instead it has ATI Rage mobility. I can use every piece of hardware acceleration possible to squeeze the limits out of this old laptop.
[05:00] <techrush> so id keep it around
[05:00] <vr^238> techrush: i installed aterm, and i also use gnome-terminal
[05:00] <vr^238> techrush: alright, thanks
[05:00] <Sneaky_Bastard> laduz: that is not just a font
[05:01] <AtlantisX> doofy`: Sry, what was your last line? Can't find it. xD
[05:01] <drew> my second monitor stays scrambled
[05:01] <Sneaky_Bastard> it's a specification
[05:01] <teenbot> (im kinda new at this) i was wondering like what exactly the terminal is ? i cant seem to figuere it out
[05:01] <doofy`> AtlantisX, when I explore the dvd with nautilus it doesn't even show any content
[05:01] <Sneaky_Bastard> teenbot: are you using GUI ?
[05:01] <AtlantisX> Hrhr, okay, let the everlasting discussion begin: What is your favorite terminal?
[05:01] <techrush> vr^238 the GDM login option "terminal mode" or some such launches x-term and you never know yu just may need that mode sometime.....i know i just did and it saved my @$$
[05:01] <Goldfish> terminal is an application that mimics what were once dumb terminals hooked up to servers, offering only command line interfaces.
[05:01] <Sneaky_Bastard> xterm is a program that pretends to be an old dumb serial terminal
[05:01] <techrush> aterm!!!!!!!!
[05:01] <teenbot> im using ubuntu linux
[05:02] <AtlantisX> doofy`: Not sure, maybe you really didn't burn it right?
[05:02] <vr^238> techrush: good to know, thanks :)
[05:02] <Sneaky_Bastard> and then you can type commands in with it
[05:02] <Goldfish> teenbot: You don't say!
[05:02] <MrDel> doofy what are you using to burn your dvd?
[05:02] <AtlantisX> And when we are done with that... What is your favorite editor/word processor? xD
[05:02] <doofy`> its not burned, theyre commercial
[05:02] <drew> can anyone help with my twinview woes?
[05:02] <teenbot> why is that goldfish lol
[05:02] <intelikey> hehhe i always uninstall base-system and other meda-packages that get in the way of my freely adminning my system.... but that is not a sujestion to the newbee
[05:03] <AtlantisX> doofy`: Country code problem?
[05:03] <doofy`> hm would that do it?
[05:03] <MrDel> apt-get regionset
[05:03] <teenbot> why is this a pretty old program ?
[05:03] <rei> how come nothing works?
[05:03] <intelikey> rei can you narrow that quarry just a little ?
[05:03] <tritium> teenbot, which?
[05:04] <tritium> rei, things work.  What are you talking about?
[05:04] <MMMond> and another small question: how can I save the mere things gone by in the terminal.. being that it would be something like: <command> > text.txt --or something
[05:05] <_linuxn00b> is apt-get update and apt-get upgrade recommended after a fresh ubuntu install?
[05:05] <mitey> why does my laptop mouse (touchpad+clit) stop working with ubuntu at random
[05:05] <AtlantisX> MMMond: <command> | destination if I remember right
[05:05] <Goldfish> MMMond: You mean how to make every command dump a copy of its results into a raw text file without you expressly typing that append operation?
[05:05] <AtlantisX> MMMond: But maybe that was DOS, not sure.
[05:05] <doofy`> Failed to find mountpoint for device /dev/hdd in /etc/fstab
[05:05] <mitey> ive never had that issue with any other distro
[05:05] <doofy`> thats from Totem
[05:05] <teenbot> tritus: what do ya mean/
[05:05] <drew> I need help setting up my 2nd monitor with twinview
[05:05] <Goldfish> mitey: I had touch mousepads. First thing I ordered for this laptop was a USB mouse +hub. Ahh.
[05:06] <Goldfish> s/had/hate
[05:06] <AtlantisX> doofy`: I wouldn't use Totem, it is stupid. xD But that is not your problem I guess.
[05:06] <tritium> teenbot, which are you calling an old program?
[05:06] <mitey> Goldfish, i wont hook a mouse up to this. the clit is perfect.
[05:06] <mitey> i want a reason not a rhyme :P
[05:06] <_linuxn00b> is apt-get upgrade and apt-get update general commands to update/upgrade all packages?
[05:06] <arod--> java-package_0.26_all.deb
[05:06] <teenbot> well see i dont really know much about this yet im trying to learn more about it
[05:06] <Goldfish> mitey: The clit?
[05:06] <intelikey> MMMond bash has command history already?    if you want to save the output of commands you could redirrect them >file  but if you do that with interactive commands (like rm -i * )  you wont see the questions they ask.   also you may be thinking of redirecting stderr    2> errors.txt
[05:06] <MMMond> Goldfish: yes, I think yes, what you said
[05:06] <fushi> _linuxn00b: No
[05:06] <teenbot> im using ubunu linux
[05:07] <mitey> yes, the mouse clit
[05:07] <_smd_> mwhahaha
[05:07] <vr^> bwahah
[05:07] <_linuxn00b> fushi: so you have to specify what package to update then?
[05:07] <mitey> if you dont know what im talking about, then stfu ;)
[05:07] <MMMond> intelikey: I don't think I'm going for command history.. being that would be the things I type? I want the entire thing gone by.. if you know what I mean. Sorry for my ignorant terminology
[05:07] <tritium> okay, you've had your fun with that
[05:07] <fushi> _linuxn00b: update juts updated the source.list
[05:07] <Goldfish> MMMond: Not sure. Just trying to get my arms around what you were asking. Not sure....
[05:07] <arod--> how can i install 'debhelper'
[05:07] <Goldfish> AtlantisX: lol    Yeah...I was double checking what he wrote there....
[05:07] <Toma-> whats all this about the clit?
[05:08] <intelikey> MMMond read the rest of my post i covered that
[05:08] <jbroome> this is probably the wrong channel to find out about that
[05:08] <MMMond> Goldfish: I think what you said first is what I want . . . dumping it on to a file, that seems right in a familiar way
[05:08] <tga> hmm my Gnome won't start whatever I do
[05:08] <tritium> arod--, sudo apt-get install debhelper
[05:08] <mitey> Toma-, i have a touch pad and a clit mouse on my laptop
[05:08] <doofy`> AtlantisX, how can I figure out which drive my DVD drive is?
[05:08] <MMMond> intelikey: alright, I'll reread :)
[05:08] <tga> I only have ICE stuff in my .xsession-errors
[05:08] <AtlantisX> Goldfish: I got mental autohighlighting for words like that... xD
[05:08] <arod--> tritium i did that, failed to install
[05:08] <tritium> enough, please, mitey
[05:08] <Toma-> interesting... is it pink :D~
[05:08] <mitey> and running ubuntu... my mouse will suddenly stop taking input from both
[05:08] <_linuxn00b> fushi: i just need a standard library with basic apps
[05:08] <_smd_> hehe me a girl and laughedat clit!
[05:08] <tritium> arod--, what happened when you tried?
[05:08] <tga> any idea what IceTrans is?
[05:08] <mitey> therefore my 'mouse' is rendered useless
[05:08] <_linuxn00b> fushi: i folowed this guide here: http://linuxhelp.blogspot.com/2005/12/essential-house-keeping-in-ubuntu.html
[05:08] <siriusnova> hey how do i search for an app using apt-get
[05:09] <_linuxn00b> fushi: but i coudn't get anything to work after that
[05:09] <tga> siriusnova: apt-cache search app
[05:09] <siriusnova> k thanks
[05:09] <arod--> ah i think i got it
[05:09] <AtlantisX> sudo apt-get install clit
[05:09] <coag> siriusnova: apt-cache... nevermind!
[05:09] <coag> :P
[05:09] <Goldfish> mitey: Okay....I get it. I don't have one of those. I hate those more than touch pad mice.
[05:09] <mitey> Goldfish,  you should read lool
[05:09] <siriusnova> what should i install for wardriving, kismet?
[05:09] <mitey> i have a touch pad AND clit mouse. i have said that 3 times :P
[05:10] <MMMond> intelikey: won't see the questions they ask? sorry, I don't understand.
[05:10] <fushi> _linuxn00b: Sorry, I don't have the time to really help you at the moment, i'm off to bed, sorry.
[05:10] <AtlantisX> mitey: Touching is good...
[05:10] <tritium> mitey, please move that talk to #ubuntu-offtopic
[05:10] <_linuxn00b> fushi: ok, thanks! ;)
[05:10] <fushi> _linuxn00b: I'm sure someone else though with more experience will though :D
[05:10] <_linuxn00b> fushi: sleep good!
[05:10] <Goldfish> MMMond: Not sure I can see how to do that. Each command spawns a new subprocess. I was thinking something like "csh | tee output.txt" might dump each command in that subshell...
[05:10] <fushi> Thanks XD
[05:10] <doofy`> AtlantisX, when I insert a DVD movie I should at least be able to explore it and see the .vob's, etc correct?
[05:10] <fushi> G'nite everyone
[05:10] <Toma-> doofy`: yes
[05:11] <AtlantisX> doofy`: No, your system can't mount it you just said.
[05:11] <mitey> you people are retarded
[05:11] <_linuxn00b> everyone: i have a fresh ubuntu install... first step to get basic apps?
[05:11] <doofy`> AtlantisX, it mounts and shows up on the desktop, theres just nothing in the mounted folder
[05:11] <AtlantisX> doofy`: >_> That is ebil.
[05:11] <intelikey> to redirect stdout use > standard_output.txt      to redirect stderr use 2> standard_error.txt    to pipe to another app use stdout |app   or  stderr 2|app     respectivly.             mmmond it means when you redirect output it doesn't copy the output it litterally puts it some place besides the screen.    it all you want is to copy the output use the mouse.
[05:12] <FushizZz> _linuxn00b: What apps do you want
[05:12] <Goldfish> linuxn00b: When I did a ubuntu install, it came with basic apps. Are you hinting at getting some more basic apps?
[05:12] <doofy`> AtlantisX, any ideas? I know the DVDs work and have stuff on them
[05:12] <MMMond> When I said "history," I didn't mean command history.. history being the text passed up .. whatever it is, suppose I just want the current session that I see now in a file, and want to dump that into a file . . . how would I go about do this?
[05:12] <B1zz> any good game channels that might point me in the right direction of a good linux game?
[05:12] <doofy`> AtlantisX, when I insert the DVD and it automounts the burn CD wizard pops up.
[05:12] <FushizZz> _linuxn00b: synaptic is a good place to search for w/e you want :D
[05:12] <AtlantisX> doofy`: Nope, no idea right now. >_>
[05:12] <_linuxn00b> Goldfish: haha... yeah i need a bittorrent client, and some way to listen to aac's?
[05:12] <doofy`> Toma-, any ideas?
[05:13] <AtlantisX> _linuxn00b: bittornado.com
[05:13] <tga> does anyone know what IceTrans is? as in ICEauthority?
[05:13] <_linuxn00b> Fushi: i had bad luck with synaptic... kept getting error messages...
[05:13] <Toma-> doofy`: is it multisession?
[05:13] <AtlantisX> _linuxn00b: That's my fav client, python based.
[05:13] <_linuxn00b> it's updating right now... i'll have specifics sooon
[05:13] <MMMond> Also, to "dump" a file . . . I assume that is the correct terminology for this? And I saw two signs you guys used: | and > . . . I thought myself it would be <command> > something.txt -- any hints on that?
[05:13] <siriusnova> there is a plugin for beep media player (bmp) that plays aacs
[05:13] <FushizZz> Oh, :x
[05:13] <_linuxn00b> thanks AtlantisX
[05:13] <doofy`> Toma-, no they're commercial
[05:13] <_linuxn00b> i'll get it
[05:13] <FushizZz> Well go with what AtlantisX said :)
[05:13] <Toma-> wow... weird
[05:13] <Goldfish> MMMond: Try this, I just did it... "bash | tee output.txt"
[05:13] <FushizZz> ok ok, sleep >_>
[05:13] <intelikey> MMMond in a terminal do this    'ls > list '      and then do 'less list '   maybe that will help you see what is happening.
[05:14] <_linuxn00b> cya fushi
[05:14] <Toma-> doofy`: its probably using the wrong format eg, udf and so on
[05:14] <_linuxn00b> <--brb
[05:14] <intelikey> or even 'cat list'
[05:14] <doofy`> Toma-, what kind of fix is there for that?
[05:14] <Goldfish> MMMond: That will dump all the results of your commands in the new subshell to both the screen and the flat file. I did that, and typed "ls" and "ps -ef". After exiting the sub bash shell, I had some raw results in output.txt.
[05:14] <Toma-> doofy`: no idea
[05:15] <_smd_> and he came over, and actually moved desks to sit with us #1, #2 AND #3 and we were like we were in grade5 GIRLS trying to talk to this guy.  wish i spoke Russian and oh wow, I know i could make  things go like fireworks. but NOOOO it was time for me to go home which i ended up staying at hsc and st.b for the night........ but tomorrow will be a hell of alot better!
[05:15] <Goldfish> tee is a command to route the output to two places, one to the screen, the other to a flat file.
[05:15] <_smd_> holy crap oops
[05:15] <Fisher> jgrieves
[05:15] <intelikey> Goldfish yes i hesitated to move on to forking until redirecting was grasped.
[05:15] <Fisher> goldfish yes - 54%
[05:15] <jgrieves> Fisher yes?
[05:15] <Fisher> fisher
[05:15] <Goldfish> Fisher: Ehh?
[05:15] <Fisher> fisher: ehh?
[05:16] <jgrieves> anyone have a really good recommendation for a python book?
[05:16] <Fisher> reisio doesn't use python bindings for running periodic jobs
[05:16] <sethk> intelikey, hey, this is a clean channel here   :)
[05:16] <Fisher> that capital 'f' makes all the funny thing is some time with too lazy to clean out the x86 one which i havent done
[05:16] <jackmacokc> nobody ever install cgi:irc?
[05:16] <Fisher> nobody has the sis 730/630
[05:16] <tritium> jgrieves, dive into python, freely available as an ubuntu package
[05:16] <Fisher> it was available ?
[05:16] <_jason> jgrieves, did you do 'dive into python' yet?
[05:16] <Fisher> didnt really try that that's always comes up on the external hist against my desktop properties i cant choose in my kernel yet?
[05:16] <Goldfish> jgrieves: Yeah, this one is online. http://diveintopython.org. The guy breaks up useful problems line by line.
[05:16] <Fisher> exit my wm it can't see some changes that breaks this time ;)
[05:16] <intelikey> sethk ?
[05:16] <Fisher> personally, i'd call old messed up the startup scripts re-vitalized ?
[05:16] <coag> anyone know where i can locate eggdrop.conf?
[05:16] <tritium> Goldfish, also installed on your machine ;)
[05:16] <sethk> intelikey, no forking allowed
[05:17] <Goldfish> tritium: Really? Cool!
[05:17] <jgrieves> thanks guys, im a book kind of guy though
[05:17] <jgrieves> though i am getting that now :)
[05:17] <Goldfish> jgrieves: You can also buy it.
[05:17] <thezanke> is it possible to set up a proxy on this ubuntu machine that i can use at other places (like the ones that you find a www.proxz.com)
[05:17] <tritium> Goldfish, yep...diveintopyton is the package name
[05:17] <sethk> intelikey, h  e   y      s  t    o   p     t   h  a   t
[05:17] <Goldfish> "I feel the need...the need for speed."
[05:17] <Darkhack>  any know if Dapper will fix the boot bug with some mobo's.  I happen to have a system where Breezy freezes at the "Detecting CDROM" stage.
[05:17] <intelikey> :)
[05:18] <bimberi> coag: "locate eggdrop.conf", if no results, try updating the locate database with "sudo updatedb" and retry
[05:18] <jgrieves> python novice to professional
[05:18] <jgrieves> looks like the same book
[05:18] <jgrieves> different subject matter?
[05:18] <coag> bimberi: ahh i forgot about updatedb
[05:19] <jgrieves> Goldfish does it go into syntax or just examples?
[05:19] <jgrieves> Goldfish i'm a C++ programmer
[05:19] <jgrieves> Goldfish i understadn the metanlity is a bit different
[05:19] <jgrieves> and i dont change quickly :)
[05:19] <coag> jgrieves: python is really quite simple
[05:19] <tritium> jgrieves, please don't use the enter key as punctuation.  Use complete sentences
[05:19] <coag> i learned it before i went on to C++
[05:20] <jgrieves> tritium ....wow...ok
[05:20] <intelikey> is that how all C++ programmers spell ?????   no wonder apps are buggy.
[05:20] <jgrieves> intelikey sorry i am legallly blind hard for me to see the text right now
[05:20] <jgrieves> intelikey don't use this machine much :)
[05:21] <intelikey> ah enough said
[05:21] <jgrieves> phew there we go, hey i didn't type THAT bad :)
[05:21] <butcherbird> anyone recommend a good cpu temp monitoring app w/gui ? biostar mb amd sempron
[05:21] <Goldfish> jgrieves: This thing has simple, understandable examples used for real world situations. The guys pulls these simple examples apart line-by-line. I loved it. P.S. I just book-marked file:///usr/share/doc/diveintopython/html/index.html in Firefox. :)
[05:21] <coag> bimberi: how long should updatedb take?
[05:21] <jgrieves> Goldfish thanks
[05:22] <bimberi> coag: it can be quite a while :)
[05:22] <sethk> coag, depends on the drive size, machine speed.  Probably 5 to 15 minutes
[05:22] <coag> bimberi: woo
[05:22] <logical_mark> Hey, can someone reccomend a visual FTP client that dosn't suck?
[05:22] <MMMond> I think I got it now, thanks Goldfish  and intelikey
[05:22] <coag> sethk: 12 gig 1.3
[05:22] <tritium> jgrieves, no worries :)
[05:22] <butcherbird> logical_mark,  midnight commander? :)
[05:22] <AtlantisX> I hate it when apps autoadapt to your system language... >_> It's english here but with german menus... Confusing... xD
[05:22] <_linuxn00b> do i have to be running root to install apps?
[05:23] <Goldfish> jgrieves: I've done C++, Java, you name it. Anybody every heard of Forte 4GL? I studied Python so I could utilize pywikipediabot to manage a wiki site. A real cool package from sourceforge.net.
[05:23] <logical_mark> butcherbird: Is it in the SPM?
[05:23] <intelikey> sudo
[05:23] <intelikey> yesudo
[05:23] <intelikey> :)
[05:23] <sethk> coag, closer to 5 than 15
[05:23] <bimberi> lol @ intelikey
[05:23] <coag> would i get flamed if i said i enabled root in debian?
[05:23] <logical_mark> butcherbird: nevermind I looked
[05:23] <coag> err
[05:23] <mike01> ?
[05:23] <coag> in ubuntu rather
[05:23] <coag> ahh! finished
[05:23] <AtlantisX> intelikey: yesudo? Is that when your comp refuses to do something even as sudo? xD
[05:24] <Hobbsee> coag, no, but you would be laughed at if you managed to screw your system by accident with it
[05:24] <coag> Hobbsee: :)
[05:24] <jgrieves> Goldfish cool, i'm afraid it takes me quite a while to feel really comfortable with a language, as i am not a programming prodigy :)
[05:24] <intelikey> AtlantisX that was the answer to "<_linuxn00b> do i have to be running root to install apps?"
[05:24] <Goldfish> jgrieves: Is it a hobby, or are you a professional software engineer?
[05:24] <Hobbsee> coag: i've enabled root a couple of times - when i've screwed it up so badly...but i didnt like running as root!
[05:24] <coag> i dont run as root
[05:24] <coag> i jstu don't liek to sudo every command
[05:24] <mike01> have a simple question any help?
[05:25] <coag> so one terminal is open as root
[05:25] <jgrieves> Goldfish yes :)
[05:25] <AtlantisX> intelikey: next step would then be "yesudo or i will become nice -20" xD
[05:25] <coag> and it's on my fourth desktop
[05:25] <CuriousCat> hello!
[05:25] <Goldfish> jgrieves: Yes to which?
[05:25] <CuriousCat> Could anyone tell me how to run a .sh file? I seem to have forgotten how to do so. :">
[05:25] <jgrieves> yes to both :) im still in school, doing a co-op right now though, and some of the stuff is python
[05:25] <bimberi> CuriousCat: sh blah.sh
[05:25] <Goldfish> jgrieves: Of course, I didn't say I was really comfortable with Python. I just like the concepts. I still go back to that web page while trying to write a python app. Still an experiment for me. Haven't embraced python GUIs yet.
[05:25] <_linuxn00b> how do i install bittornado from terminal?
[05:26] <_linuxn00b> or synaptic
[05:26] <CuriousCat> bimberi: thanks
[05:26] <intelikey> coag if you type 'sudo <blah> '   you   SuperUser DO <blah>   or  run blah as root.
[05:26] <bimberi> CuriousCat: np :)
[05:26] <AtlantisX> _linuxn00b: Which format is it?
[05:26] <coag> intelikey: i know that
[05:26] <Goldfish> jgrieves: Languages never really become real until you have a real problem you are trying to solve, and you use a new language to do it. That is when the rubber hits the road.
[05:26] <_linuxn00b> AtlantisX: what do you mean? linux or the program?
[05:26] <mike01> can any1 tell me a cd burner file ?
[05:26] <coag> intelikey: it's just less typing if i'm alread su'd in
[05:26] <techrush> i think what coag is saying is typing sudo is annoying
[05:26] <nalioth> CuriousCat: you hit the wrong room today?  :)
[05:26] <coag> techrush: yup you have it
[05:26] <AtlantisX> _linuxn00b: What is the file extension of the file you downloaded?
[05:27] <jgrieves> Goldfish yep, seems like python is becoming really popular though
[05:27] <Razor-X> coag: ``sudo -s'' does the trick
[05:27] <bimberi> mike01: don't understand "cd burner file"?
[05:27] <coag> Razor-X: hey do I know you?
[05:27] <_linuxn00b> i haven't yet... but it will be .zip or .tar.gz
[05:27] <AtlantisX> Razor-X: Also, after 2 or 3 sudos it keeps sudo status.
[05:27] <intelikey> coag yeah even on systems like ub i always set the root passwd and uninstall sudo.
[05:27] <Goldfish> PHP is also becoming popular. I can only bite off one cool language at a time, so I picked Python. I have tried eyeballing other places to use it.
[05:27] <Razor-X> coag: maybe
[05:27] <coag> hmm
[05:27] <Razor-X> coag: I dunno, depends where you've seen me, if you've seen me :)
[05:27] <AtlantisX> _linuxn00b: -.-
[05:28] <CuriousCat> nalioth: naah. :D just forgot to logon to offtopic
[05:28] <mike01> want to burn cds using ubuntu bager
[05:28] <coag> Razor-X: you have probably helped me in here before
[05:28] <Razor-X> AtlantisX: actually, just one sudo does the trick
[05:28] <Razor-X> coag: oh yeah, that could be too
[05:28] <Goldfish> Somebody built an expect-like module for python, and definitely caught my attention. When I saw they had HTTP libraries, CORBA stuff, and an Oracle package, then I saw definite potential.
[05:28] <Urthmover> I have a question realated to video streaming
[05:28] <Urthmover> anyone every configured a player to do NSV format?
[05:28] <AtlantisX> Razor-X: lol right. I tend to close terminals after I don't need 'em anymore, though.
[05:28] <mike01> again new here
[05:28] <Urthmover> that's the winamp video internet tv one
[05:28] <Razor-X> AtlantisX: I'm in a terminal right now :)
[05:28] <bimberi> mike01: Nautilus can burn data cd's (Go -> CD/DVD Creator), otherwise there's Gnomebaker, Graveman, k3b ...
[05:28] <AtlantisX> Razor-X: irssi?
[05:29] <Urthmover> I've read a few docs on it...but still can't get it to stream
[05:29] <intelikey> Goldfish yeah,  a lot like perl
[05:29] <jgrieves> Goldfish thanks and others who recommended, will be goofing off with that package for a while :)
[05:29] <techrush> Urthmover it is possible on linux ive heard but i could never get it working
[05:29] <techrush> mplayer is your best bet
[05:29] <_linuxn00b> AtlantisX: so which should i download?
[05:29] <Razor-X> AtlantisX: emacs using erc :)
[05:29] <ernesto> Anybody is connected to msn messenger using gaim?
[05:29] <Urthmover> yeah it's a bummer cause I want my misty
[05:29] <AtlantisX> _linuxn00b: the tar.gz one
[05:29] <Urthmover> :-(  boo
[05:29] <jgrieves> ernesto yep
[05:29] <mike01> thank you will look and again thank you...
[05:29] <AtlantisX> Razor-X: Oh no, an emacsanatic. >_>
[05:29] <Goldfish> I know PERL has lots of these same modules, and in fact had them first. But I lost some of my taste for PERL's syntax.
[05:29] <bimberi> mike01: yw :)
[05:29] <ernesto> jgrieves: I cannot connect
[05:30] <Razor-X> AtlantisX: no, I just find it more convenient to use an app that has emacs movement control 's all
[05:30] <Razor-X> AtlantisX: plus, thanks to MULE I can say stuff like ``Sony Libri''
[05:30] <_linuxn00b> AtlantisX: ok... do just search for it in synaptic?
[05:30] <Goldfish> What I use a lot is tclsh/expect, because I need to automate other command line tools that are poorly lacking in script power.
[05:30] <Razor-X> :)
[05:30] <tritium> there he goes again... ;)
[05:30] <Razor-X> tritium: :P
[05:30] <AtlantisX> _linuxn00b: No, now unpack it. ^^
[05:30] <_linuxn00b> done... ;)
[05:30] <_linuxn00b> sorry i'm such a n00b
[05:30] <AtlantisX> Razor-X: -.-
[05:31] <jgrieves> ernesto what is error?
[05:31] <ernesto> jgrieves: it never connect
[05:31] <Razor-X> AtlantisX: meh
[05:31] <Goldfish> linuxn00b: Just think, you have probably forgotten more new linux commands than many Windows users ever learned in the first place!
[05:31] <ernesto> may be it is a wrong configuration of the net
[05:31] <AtlantisX> Razor-X: Hehehe. ;p
[05:31] <ernesto> any tip?
[05:31] <jgrieves> ernesto just tested again yep
[05:31] <Razor-X> AtlantisX: I'm successful with neither men nor women (in any sense of the phrase you want to imagine, if you want to twist it, be my guest :)
[05:32] <jgrieves> is your nic working?
[05:32] <jgrieves> can u connec to the internet
[05:32] <ernesto> jgrieves: thank you
[05:32] <_linuxn00b> Goldfish: haha
[05:32] <AtlantisX> Razor-X: Well, the dependancies are more complex than any apt you will ever encounter... xD
[05:32] <Razor-X> AtlantisX: meh
[05:32] <_linuxn00b> Goldfish: can you help me? i've got the package unpacked...
[05:32] <intelikey> _linuxn00b would you stop aplogizing for being green every two minutes.   every one of us had our first day in the linux corts,  we all understand.   if we didn't we wouldn't be trying to help.     k  :)
[05:32] <Razor-X> AtlantisX: humans are... complicated, I find compiling my own kernel *much* simpler
[05:32] <Razor-X> :)
[05:33] <jgrieves> jgrieves  System > Administratrion > Network
[05:33] <czer323> Is there an easy way to reset the sound system?
[05:33] <_linuxn00b> intelikey: won't say it again... thanks
[05:33] <jgrieves> ernesto  System > Administratrion > Network
[05:33] <AtlantisX> Razor-X: So masturbation it is, okay... xD
[05:33] <intelikey> welcome.
[05:33] <jgrieves> if your network card isn't working that's a whole nother story
[05:33] <Razor-X> AtlantisX: eh! my secret exposed?! :P
[05:33] <Goldfish> linuxn00b: Okay, you were installing bittornado?
[05:33] <Razor-X> AtlantisX: anyways, let's keep it family appropriate again
[05:34] <Razor-X> unless you want to come into offtopic
[05:34] <AtlantisX> Razor-X: xDD
[05:34] <B1zz> hehe
[05:34] <_linuxn00b> Goldfish: yes... it's downloaded and unpacked in /home
[05:34] <Goldfish> czer323: ctrl-alt-del? Heheheh
[05:34] <AtlantisX> Razor-X: Sorry, reading bash QDB too much. >_>
[05:34] <czer323> haha, actually I think that's what got me in trouble the first time. ;)
[05:34] <Dido-> i want to set up a lan network to share my internet connection with a xp, should i use samba
[05:34] <Razor-X> AtlantisX: I can guess :P
[05:34] <czer323> I had to alt-ctrl-del because my gnome crashed while I was messing with drop shadows.
[05:34] <Goldfish> linuxn00b: BRB
[05:35] <tritium> Dido-, no
[05:35] <factotum> hmmm...I have my system all configured the way I want it, never got to this point before....now what the heck do I do? heh
[05:35] <_smd_> Why would beep control my sound?  even ifi have my sound up in every program i have?
[05:35] <doofy`> AtlantisX, I was able to get the DVD to be readable (mounted it at /media/dvd) now I am getting this output from vlc when I try to play /media/dvd http://pastebin.com/461817
[05:35] <rabeldable> czer323: why ctrl-alt-del ?
[05:35] <mrkoje> Dido-,  samba has nothing to do with an internet connection
[05:35] <intelikey> _linuxn00b i haven't been keeping up with exactly what you are doing but i did catch a  .tar.gz    if you are going to compile from source, do your self a favour and look in the sub-dir it unpacked to for any files with cap NAMES and read them.
[05:35] <AtlantisX> Hmm.. Okay, wondering about the reaction... I am german! Yes! Me! xD
[05:35] <Goldfish> Dido: Yeah. It may be handy to find a windows version of putty for your windows workstation. Let's you ssh to your linux server.
[05:35] <Pedrolito> Is downloading the dvd instead of the iso worth it?
[05:35] <rabeldable> czer323: why not ctrl-alt-bkspc
[05:35] <czer323> rabeldable> Cause my x interface was frozen.   ahh, yeah.  That's what I did. ;)  bkspace is different from delete.
[05:35] <Razor-X> AtlantisX: I know another German who said something really really similar
[05:36] <Razor-X> AtlantisX: :P
[05:36] <_linuxn00b> intlikey: i'm trying to install bittornado
[05:36] <Mr_Milenko> IM ALIVE!!!
[05:36] <Mr_Milenko> lol
[05:36] <_linuxn00b> i have unpacked the tar.gz file
[05:36] <robotgeek> doofy`: is this backports?
[05:36] <chaumurky> does ctrl-alt-bkspc exit gracefully? or is it a panic option?
[05:36] <Dido-> Please give me solutions guys ;) I'm a pure newbie
[05:36] <factotum> one thing I dont get though, when i right click something in firefox and try to save-as, firfox closes. Doesnt freeze or crash, just closes... any ideas?
[05:36] <AtlantisX> Razor-X: Always waiting for Nazi talk. At a certain point you feel unwelcome without someone saying Heil Heitler. xD
[05:36] <doofy`> robotgeek, assuming i dont know what that is. no.
[05:36] <czer323> rabeldable> but now my sound isn't working with xmms and other audio codecs.  I tested the  multimiedia systems selector and the audio worked with the beep.
[05:37] <AtlantisX> I am no Nazi, though. Just to stress that. xD
[05:37] <Razor-X> AtlantisX: If Hitler has a place for one non-white Aryan in his heart, I'm his
[05:37] <Goldfish> linuxn00b: I just installed bittornado on my machine, and it doesn't list anything in the "home" partition. How did you get this, using synaptic?
[05:37] <robotgeek> doofy`: dapper?
[05:37] <Razor-X> AtlantisX: :P (I mean, I am *technically* part Aryan)
[05:37] <doofy`> breezy
[05:37] <Mr_President> hi all
[05:37] <chaumurky> can we stay on topic please?
[05:37] <tritium> please don't discuss nazi stuff here
[05:37] <Razor-X> AtlantisX: yeah, let's go into offtopic
[05:37] <robotgeek> doofy`: you arent using standar breezy? or did you do anything funky with your system?
[05:37] <Dido-> mrkoje, Goldfish, tritium  Please give me solutions guys ;) I'm a pure newbie
[05:37] <rabeldable> czer323: it sounds like you might have a messed up xmms library...
[05:37] <Razor-X> AtlantisX: we're having an.... engaging... discussion there
[05:37] <intelikey> _linuxn00b read any README  or   INSTALL  or other CAP_NAME files in the dir it unpacked to.  that is where the packager puts installation instructions.
[05:38] <doofy`> robotgeek, nothing that funky I know of
[05:38] <Goldfish> linuxb00b: I used synaptic, and if you right-click an installed package, and pick the Installed Files, it will list every file it installed on your system.
[05:38] <Mr_President> Does anyone know how to change double-click speeds for gtk apps?
[05:38] <Goldfish> linuxn00b: You then look for the /usr/bin/ stuff, indicating the runnables.
[05:38] <czer323> rabeldable> totem had the same problem.  Error: uh wtf... Now its' working. nm.
[05:38] <bimberi> Mr_President: System -> Preferences -> Mouse
[05:38] <cafuego> wow
[05:38] <chaumurky>  god has joined chat #ubuntu.
[05:38] <Goldfish> I think linuxn00b downloaded some source package instead of installing the runnable package from synaptic. Sounds a little complicated to me.
[05:38] <god> god actually needs help, though. With JRE.
[05:39] <Dido-> bimberi, how to change cursors?
[05:39] <cafuego> my shipit box arrived, after 2 weeks
[05:39] <chaumurky> I'm gonna be the first to talk to god - hello god
[05:39] <rabeldable> my sound sometimes is being used by something else.. then when I try t open the app that failed again the sound is available
[05:39] <robotgeek> doofy`: i would recommend that you file a bug. Do u have the libdvdcss stuff?
[05:39] <czer323> I thought god was all knowing?
[05:39] <god> czer323:  IT's all lites.
[05:39] <cafuego> !test
[05:39] <god> lies*
[05:39] <doofy`> robotgeek, yes
[05:39] <intelikey> Goldfish compiling from source is not for the faint of heart, no.
[05:39] <_jason> god, resurrect ubotu so that he may tell you where the javadebs are
[05:39] <nightelf> Hmm Im new to Linux and I love Ubuntu
[05:39] <chaumurky> failes cafuego
[05:39] <robotgeek> czer323: that's God. This is god
[05:39] <bimberi> Dido-: same place, but i don't know how to install new ones
[05:39] <Goldfish> I'm trying to install bittornado myself to check it out...
[05:39] <god> I need to install JRE into mozilla plugins but it won't work
[05:40] <factotum> bah, compiling from source isnt so bad, just read the README files after you tar
[05:40] <martin> anyone log on who has a solution to playing avi files in ubuntu 64 version?
[05:40] <Mr_President> I don't think that works for apps like xmms
[05:40] <_jason> god, what have you tried/ how have you tried isntalling java so far?
[05:40] <cafuego> grr
[05:40] <bimberi> Mr_President: k :/
[05:40] <Goldfish> linuxn00b: Okay, I went to Applications -> Add Applications, and then expanded Internet -> More. There was bittornado client listed. Click on it, and then hit okay at the bottom. That should also create a shortcuts on GNOME.
[05:40] <_smd_> Has anyone experienced beep media player controlling all sound on their computer?
[05:40] <intelikey> cafuego still borkedd
[05:40] <god> _jason:  I installed it how it said and then I made the ln -s link to the libjavaplugin_oji.so like it said
[05:41] <_jason> god, it?
[05:41] <Mr_President> bimberi any other ideas?
[05:41] <czer323> I thought most sound programs took over the sound system until it's released.
[05:41] <god> _jason:  JRE1-5.0.1
[05:41] <bimberi> Mr_President: sorry no :|
[05:41] <god> _jason:  JRE1-5.0
[05:41] <_jason> _smd_, no but I've expereienced BMP deciding to neglect it's volume setting and try to make me deaf
[05:42] <_jason> god, where are you getting the jre from, sun?
[05:42] <munzir> Hi Sirs, I just installed ubuntu and had a kubuntu around me. Some one told me I can install merge it with ubuntu how?
[05:42] <Goldfish> linuxn00b: Are ya with me?
[05:42] <god> _jason:  Yeah
[05:42] <_smd_>  _jason: lol, well i have exprience ear straining. not deafness
[05:43] <_jason> god, what does java -version return?
[05:43] <bimberi> munzir: installing the kubuntu-desktop will allow you to choose between them at login
[05:43] <god> _jason:  1.4.2
[05:43] <thundr> munzir, you can have kubuntu and xubuntu as well as ubuntu running on the same system if you'd like
[05:43] <god> _jason:  I think I ran the bin in the wrong place...one minute
[05:43] <bimberi> *kubuntu-desktop package
[05:44] <vskye> 800GT radeon - does it work fine with Breezy?
[05:44] <_jason> god, try: sudo update-alternatives --config java
[05:44] <thundr> munzir, like bimberi said, just sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop and/or xubuntu-desktop and you're done.  Just select it by clicking on "Profile" at login.
[05:44] <bimberi> Session?
[05:44] <thundr> uh, yeah, session
[05:45] <bimberi> :)
[05:45] <thundr> :)
[05:45] <munzir> thundr, bimberi: I have a kubuntu CD I don't want to install from the net
[05:45] <thezanke> how do i kill a process i see in ps ax?
[05:45] <binarydigit> kill -9
[05:45] <binarydigit> the the pid
[05:45] <thundr> bimberi, can he add it as an apt source?
[05:45] <Goldfish> Don't know what happened to linuxn00b. Thought we were on the verge of helping him get something accomplished. Oh well.
[05:45] <_jason> thezanke, try just kill before resorting to -9
[05:45] <bimberi> thundr: yep
[05:46] <_smd_> so no ideas why this happens?
[05:46] <intelikey> thezanke 'sudo killall <name> '  will get any subproccesses it may have started too
[05:46] <thundr> there you go then, munzir.  Just add it as a repository in apt or synaptic or whatever you use.
[05:46] <bimberi> munzir: Edit -> Add CD-ROM in Synaptic
[05:46] <_linuxn00b> Goldfish:
[05:46] <_linuxn00b> my wife needed me. ;)
[05:46] <_linuxn00b> sorry!
[05:46] <Goldfish> linuxn00b: Just don't give me any details, okay?
[05:47] <intelikey> :)
[05:47] <god> _jason:  so...I ran the .bin in my /usr/java and nothing changed.
[05:47] <_jason> god, try: sudo update-alternatives --config java
[05:47] <_linuxn00b> Goldfish: haha... i won't... but it was nothing. ;)
[05:47] <god> _jason:  I did.
[05:47] <intelikey> lol
[05:47] <Goldfish> linuxn00b: Did you catch my tip about Applications -> Add Program -> Internet -> More Programs -> Bittornado client?
[05:47] <_jason> god, where is the libjavaplugin_oji.so link pointing to exactly
[05:47] <intelikey> kill
[05:47] <cafuego> it connect to the server, but then hangs :-(
[05:47] <ce_smart> hhhaaaai
[05:47] <_linuxn00b> Goldfish: no... let me try
[05:48] <intelikey> kill the ghost of ubotu
[05:48] <Goldfish> intelikey: So, are going to see the Gost of Ubotu Past, Present, and Future? I would call it the Ubuntu Story.
[05:48] <_linuxn00b> Goldfish: where is add program?
[05:48] <god> _jason:  into where I extracted it first.
[05:49] <Goldfish> Okay...Add Applications
[05:49] <_smd_> Goldfish:  horrible joke :p
[05:49] <Hericus> Welcome.
[05:49] <Hericus> :)
[05:49] <Wraith> >:)
[05:49] <Wraith> :>
[05:49] <bimberi> s/i//
[05:49] <Goldfish> That is why I only tell jokes as a hobby. I don't think I could make any money at that.
[05:49] <intelikey> wraith lol
[05:49] <_linuxn00b> ...can't seem to find it...
[05:49] <munzir> thundr, bimberi: thanks a lot. and then choose kde, right?
[05:49] <_smd_> lol gold fish
[05:49] <_jason> god, /usr/lib/j2re1.5-sun/plugin/i386/ns7/libjavaplugin_oji.so ?
[05:49] <iHeartKem> anyone have any idea why a(n) SMC Elite Connect 802.11b pcmcia card wouldn't work in ubuntu ? i used it in whax/auditor etc
[05:49] <Wraith> Hmm?
[05:49] <ce_smart> tdhy
[05:49] <god> _jason:  nope.
[05:50] <bimberi> munzir: you got it :)
[05:50] <thundr> munzir, yes
[05:50] <Goldfish> linuxn00b: Top left corner of GNOME, click on Applications, then at the bottom is Add Applications.
[05:50] <thundr> munzir, glad we could help
[05:50] <god> _jason:  I don't even have such a directory.
[05:50] <thezanke> is it possible to set up a proxy on this ubuntu machine that i can use at other places (like the ones that you find a www.proxz.com)
[05:50] <god> _jason:  I have the libjavaplugin_oji.so copied in to the plugins folder, though.
[05:50] <_jason> god, that's the install directory for the javadebs
[05:50] <Hericus> thezanke, I'd get tor if I were you. http://tor.eff.org I think it is.
[05:50] <intelikey> Goldfish that assumes default menu placement and default launcher....
[05:50] <god> _jason:  how do I install it through apt-get?
[05:51] <_jason> god, you can't copy it directly, firefox will crash or so I have read.  needs to be a symlink
[05:51] <soldieruk400> any one got kubuntu?
[05:51] <_linuxn00b> Goldfish: got applications, these are my options: 'accessories, games, graphics, internet, multimedia, office, systemtools, help, about ubuntu..., run application...'
[05:51] <Goldfish> intelikey: For crying out loud, I'm using a default install. I didn't expect linuxn00b to have changed all that!
[05:51] <_jason> god, one sec let me see if I can find it since ubotu is not with us
[05:51] <_linuxn00b> Goldfish: am i missing it?
[05:51] <god> _jason:  Alright
[05:51] <Goldfish> linuxn00b: Expand Internet, and you will see More Programs. Expand that, and you will see bittornado client listed.
[05:51] <_jason> god, http://www.giannaros.org/public/breezydebs/
[05:52] <iHeartKem> Kubuntu is just with KDE and Ubuntu is Gnome ?
[05:52] <intelikey> Goldfish some people the first thing they play with is the pannels and desktop settings.....   you never know.
[05:52] <bimberi> lol - missed that
[05:52] <Goldfish> linuxn00b: Wait a sec, are you saying you don't see Add Applications?
[05:52] <Hericus> soldieruk400, I'm not into KDE. :/
[05:52] <Hericus> I prefer fvwm2 =D
[05:52] <Hericus> I never got it running though, I'm on gnome..
[05:52] <_linuxn00b> Goldfish: no...
[05:52] <Goldfish> linuxn00b: check System -> Administration -> Add Applications.
[05:52] <soldieruk400> so there is no diferance then realy
[05:52] <nalioth> cafuego: ubotflu  ?
[05:53] <kakei> any have wine for amd64?!
[05:53] <thezanke> anyone know how to run xproxy in the background?
[05:53] <Toma-> errr gnome comes with its own bittorrent client under Apps > Internet > Bittorrent
[05:53] <_smd_>  kakei: white z.... but drank it
[05:53] <_jason> god, what version of firefox are you running?   default in gnome?
[05:53] <soldieruk400> im on gnome myself i think
[05:53] <kakei> _smd_ white z?
[05:53] <Dido-> Are there any alternatives to wine?
[05:54] <_linuxn00b> Goldfish: damn... nothing... i wonder if i'm using an old version of ubuntu
[05:54] <Wraith> Umm... beer >:)
[05:54] <_smd_> zinfandel.....
[05:54] <iHeartKem> haha
[05:54] <Goldfish> linuxn00b: What release? I have 5.10 breezy badget.
[05:54] <nalioth> Dido-: vmware (free to use, but not free software), qemu, bochs
[05:54] <Wraith> :P
[05:54] <soldieruk400> same as me
[05:54] <_smd_> gahh kids...
[05:54] <Hericus> Is dapper stable yet?
[05:54] <intelikey> _linuxn00b you can check version   'uname -a '
[05:54] <munzir> thundr, bimberi: but there is no package called kubuntu-desktop!!
[05:54] <cafuego> heeeeeeeeeeeeeeere botty botty!
[05:54] <soldieruk400> i only downloaded it 3 days ago lol
[05:54] <Dido-> nalioth, what means that it's free to use but not free software?
[05:55] <_linuxn00b> Goldfish: is there an easy way to check version? i think it's 2.4 but i'm not sure...?
[05:55] <Hericus> Nobody runs dapper.. :/
[05:55] <cafuego> heeeeeeeeeeeeeeere botty botty botty!
[05:55] <Toma-> Hericus: when its released, it will (hopefully) be stable :)
[05:55] <thundr> munzir, you have to enable universe (iirc)
[05:55] <Goldfish> uname -a will tell you the kernel you are running, not the distro though.
[05:55] <cafuego> !test
[05:55] <ubotflu> Failed.
[05:55] <nalioth> Dido-: free to use costs you no money, 'free software' comes with source code that you can use to your hearts content
[05:55] <_linuxn00b> 2.6.8.1-2-286
[05:55] <Hericus> Toma-,  thats next year! I can't wait until then.. thats april or something isn't it.
[05:55] <_jason> _linuxn00b, try lsb_release -r
[05:55] <cafuego> There's a good temporary bot.
[05:55] <Goldfish> I have 2.6.12-9-386. System tried to bump me up to 2.6.12-10-386, but that broke my wireless so I reverted.
[05:55] <Toma-> Hericus: dapper is for bug testers, developers and conributors... are you one of those?
[05:55] <Dido-> nalioth, is it downloadable?
[05:55] <intelikey> that's   5.04
[05:56] <Hericus> I hardly have the time.
[05:56] <intelikey> no that maybe 4.10
[05:56] <nalioth> Dido-: there is a free version available, but you have to do it yourself
[05:56] <Hericus> It is downloadable to anyone who cares for it however.
[05:56] <Toma-> well why bother running a system thats going to break probably ever 2 weks
[05:56] <thezanke> anyone know how to run xproxy in the background?
[05:56] <Hericus> It'll be like gentoo =D.
[05:56] <_jason> Toma-, ask a windows user
[05:56] <Toma-> just a week or 2 ago it didnt even boot
[05:57] <Hericus> Toma- that sucks.
[05:57] <_linuxn00b> Goldfish: so is my version too old then? ;)
[05:57] <Hericus> I know of random ubuntu users that run it.
[05:57] <Toma-> yeh. stick with breezy at least till it becomes an rc :D
[05:57] <intelikey> _linuxn00b yep you are running a year old release.  to versions out of date now.    if you have fast inet dl the latest.
[05:57] <Hericus> Meh
[05:57] <element__> join #debian
[05:57] <Goldfish> I can't imagine such a profound change from 5.04 to 5.10 in the GNOME versions.
[05:57] <Hericus> Thats many moons away.
[05:57] <intelikey> err two even
[05:57] <Dido-> nalioth, sound too complicated ;) so i guess qemu is ok/
[05:57] <Goldfish> Does he have to adjust his /etc/apt/sources.list and do a dist-upgrade to catch up?
[05:58] <thezanke> wait...how do i check waht version i have?
[05:58] <Toma-> Hericus: well install it and report ever bug you come across
[05:58] <Toma-> *every
[05:58] <_linuxn00b> intelikey: any way to do that w/o burning a disk? i don't have my burner in my box right now
[05:58] <Hericus> Toma- I report all my bugs..
[05:58] <Hericus> I'm not a n00b
[05:58] <Toma-> also, make sure you dual boot it, coz it probably wont work
[05:58] <Hericus> I'll wait till April.
[05:58] <Toma-> good werk :D
[05:58] <Hericus> You got dapper?
[05:58] <Goldfish> I started at 5.10, so I don't know what differences happened in the past year. Is there a more graphics oriented way for him to upgrade? I am used to command line stuff, so I have no problem editing sources.list.
[05:59] <mrkoje> !dapper
[05:59] <ubotflu> The 6.04 version of Ubuntu will be called the "Dapper Drake" release. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperDrake
[05:59] <munzir> thundr: but I want to install from the CD not the net. Still I believe it's enabled
[05:59] <Toma-> Goldfish: you open up synaptic and click Settings or whatever and edit the repos via the gui
[05:59] <Toma-> Hericus: nope. i dont have the time to run it
[05:59] <Kyral> Command line is nicee. :D
[05:59] <intelikey> well.... yeah but i kinda hate to try to get a newbe to run an installer from console....  but yes you can killall gdm, mount the iso, and run the installer.
[05:59] <_linuxn00b> intelikey: is there some way to updated it within the shell?
[05:59] <intelikey> _linuxn00b ^
[06:00] <Toma-> and i dont know C so i cant write any patches :(
[06:00] <thezanke> goldfish: i am running 2.6.10-5-386, how out of date am i??
[06:00] <thundr> munzir, that's right.  It should be on the cd.  I've never actually tried it-I've done everything from the net.  Anyone else have any suggestions?
[06:00] <Goldfish> I am still getting used to this nice GUI front end. My brain keeps shifting into command line mode.
[06:00] <Kyral> thezanke: very
[06:00] <Kyral> Goldfish: You use what you like lol
[06:00] <Goldfish> thezanke: I have no idea. Like I said, I started ubuntu on breezy badget with 5.10.
[06:00] <Kyral> Goldfish: I hate Synaptic :D
[06:00] <Dido-> Can I pause a apt-get?
[06:00] <Kyral> Dido-: You can background it with CTRL+Z
[06:00] <Goldfish> Kyral: Nothing quite beats sudo apt-get install whatever-the-heck-want
[06:01] <choudesh> hello all.
[06:01] <intelikey> _linuxn00b if someone here that knows how to will walk you through it, it's not that hard but i'm only going to be here for about 3 more minutes.
[06:01] <choudesh> quick questions, how to I change my color in bash?
[06:01] <Goldfish> Kyral: compared to memories of slackware 5 years ago.....
[06:01] <_jason> choudesh, edit -> profile
[06:01] <Toma-> choudesh: edit bashrc
[06:01] <Kyral> Goldfish: Espcicially combined with a big .bash_aliases file
[06:01] <_linuxn00b> anyone want to/have the time to walk me throug upgrading ubuntu? ;)
[06:01] <fnbluoo> Just Test
[06:01] <sethk> choudesh, you don't.  the color is a function of the terminal program, not the shell program
[06:01] <Dido-> Kyral, so i'm gonna pause it and i can resume it later?
[06:01] <Goldfish> Kyral: I have a saying. "Have .cshrc, will travel."
[06:01] <sethk> choudesh, if you are using gnome terminal, it is on the settings menu
[06:01] <Kyral> Dido-: as long as you don't kill the term
[06:02] <choudesh> seth_k, No it isn't.
[06:02] <Kyral> Dido-: You'd recover it by using fg
[06:02] <sethk> choudesh, sorry
[06:02] <sethk> choudesh, that's konsole.  for gnome terminal you want the profiles, I believe on the edit menu
[06:02] <thezanke> goldfish, happen to know how to run something like xproxy as a daemon or in the background so when i close the terminal it wont exit?
[06:02] <Dido-> Kyral, ctrl+z and when i want to resume it i type fg?
[06:02] <sethk> choudesh, right, I checked.  edit/profiles
[06:02] <fnbluoo> I use Ubuntu first time
[06:02] <Kyral> Dido-: yah
[06:03] <sethk> fnbluoo, what do you use the second time?
[06:03] <DShepherd> hey
[06:03] <Dido-> Kyral, 10x
[06:03] <Goldfish> thezanke: nohup yourcommand [args]  &
[06:03] <iHeartKem> would it be hard to install the linux-wlan-ng software into ubuntu ? so i can get my SMC wifi card working
[06:03] <fnbluoo> FreeBsd
[06:03] <intelikey> gnight to one and all
[06:04] <Goldfish> thezanke: Check man nohup for more details.
[06:04] <munzir> thundr: thanks for your try. now it worked by readding it manually to synaptic. the auto adding seems to be buggy
[06:04] <_linuxn00b> cafuego: can you help me with upgrading ubuntu?
[06:04] <thundr> munzir, that's good.  Did you find your package?
[06:04] <Goldfish> thezanke: I am a little unclear about which commands get killed when you close your terminal session.
[06:04] <_linuxn00b> is it wise to just run apt-get dist-upgrade??
[06:05] <soldieruk400> you know when this new version comes in do we have to burn another disk or will it just update its self
[06:05] <DShepherd> anybody start playing with dapper yet?
[06:05] <_linuxn00b> or apt-get -d dist-upgrade
[06:05] <DShepherd> soldieruk400: you can can burn the iso if you want
[06:06] <soldieruk400> cool
[06:06] <DShepherd> soldieruk400: or do a dist-upgrade
[06:06] <Goldfish> The idea of apt-get dist-upgrade is that you first upgrade which repository you are using, and then run it. That saves you from using any CD process, which might accidentally try to re-install your system.
[06:06] <sethk> _linuxn00b, I personally don't think so, but it really depends somewhat on the situation.
[06:06] <jah_raztah> is there a way to install a .deb using synaptic so that all the un matched dependencies can me automatically selected?
[06:06] <soldieruk400> but for now im happy with unbuntu just working the thing out at the moment
[06:06] <sethk> _linuxn00b, if you can tolerate a small but non-zero chance of ending up with a problem, then dist upgrade is fine.
[06:06] <_linuxn00b> sethk: i'm running a year old copy of ubuntu... thought i might need to upgrade, can you suggest a way to do that w/o a disk?
[06:06] <DShepherd> jah_raztah: i dont know. but dpkg -i package.deb works fine
[06:07] <Goldfish> My battery power is waning, which means it is time to go to bed.
[06:07] <jah_raztah> yes i kno about that
[06:07] <Goldfish> linuxn00b: Good luck.
[06:07] <jah_raztah> but it doesn't select dependencies
[06:07] <sethk> _linuxn00b, you can do the upgrade on-line.  The question is, do you do it piece by piece, or rely on the package manager to get everything right in one operation.
[06:07] <_linuxn00b> Goldfish: thank you! good night!
[06:07] <soldieruk400> ask for a copy off someone
[06:07] <sethk> _linuxn00b, my problem with that is, I've had a number of cases recently where some downloads didn't complete due to timeouts.
[06:07] <jah_raztah> missing dependencies
[06:07] <_linuxn00b> sethk: yeah... well, its a fresh install (the disk was old) so i don't have anything to lose
[06:07] <sethk> _linuxn00b, then you get a partial install of the update, which could leave you temporarily in a bad state.
[06:07] <siriusnova> hey anyone got Real Player 10 to work within firefox?
[06:07] <sethk> _linuxn00b, in that case, sure, go for it.
[06:08] <siriusnova> like as an embedded player?
[06:08] <sethk> _linuxn00b, worst thing that happens, you have to install again.
[06:08] <_linuxn00b> sethk: would you recommend doing the apt-get -d dist-upgrade?
[06:08] <soldieruk400> not me
[06:08] <iHeartKem> I wonder if KDE or GNOME would be easier for a female linux-newb to use
[06:08] <sethk> _linuxn00b, yes, in your situation.
[06:08] <soldieruk400> i tried but not working
[06:08] <siriusnova> soldieruk400 - talking to me?
[06:08] <_linuxn00b> sethk: once i have it downloaded... what?
[06:08] <DShepherd> does anyone know how to set the calendar in ubuntu to start on sunday or whatever day one chooses?
[06:08] <cafuego> iHeartKem: Much of a muchness. They can both be configured to look and feel like what $USER is used to.
[06:08] <sethk> _linuxn00b, it doesn't just download, it installs
[06:08] <siriusnova> anyone ?
[06:09] <soldieruk400> sorry sirius
[06:09] <sethk> _linuxn00b, some programs will prompt you for information, most will just upgrade silently
[06:09] <iHeartKem> hmm... which would run better on a system with 120mb ram ?
[06:09] <iHeartKem> gnome or kde
[06:09] <soldieruk400> i was
[06:09] <_linuxn00b> sethk: all i get is 0 everything...
[06:09] <sethk> iHeartKem, they are about the same w.r.t. memory usage.  Whichever one you prefer
[06:09] <_linuxn00b> sethk: i'm not running root... does that matter?
[06:09] <jah_raztah> how do i automatically select the missing depencies needed to install a .deb
[06:09] <sethk> _linuxn00b, yes, it does.
[06:09] <siriusnova> no one has real player 10 installed?
[06:09] <sethk> _linuxn00b, you have to sudo, or be root
[06:10] <_linuxn00b> this is what i typed: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[06:10] <soldieruk400> sirius i have but it dont work
[06:10] <_linuxn00b> sethk: same thing... 0 everything
[06:10] <iHeartKem> lmao, the Edubuntu wallpaper makes me laugh
[06:10] <sethk> _linuxn00b, try the GUI tool, instead of the CLI, if you can.
[06:10] <George_boy> hi, i am getting an irq conflict when i try to connect my lucent modem with ltmodem modules installed
[06:10] <sethk> _linuxn00b, the easy thing is to download the ISO and either mount it, or burn and use it.
[06:10] <George_boy> any suggestions to get rid of the problem?
[06:11] <sethk> _linuxn00b, I don't know why you are getting that result, though.
[06:11] <sethk> _linuxn00b, do you have X running?  If so, do you have an update icon on your toolbar?
[06:11] <_linuxn00b> sethk: ok... i'll try to burn a disk at work
[06:11] <cdubya> siriusnova, I had tried RP10 with FF on another distro but I never got it to work
[06:11] <_linuxn00b> sethk: x??
[06:11] <sethk> _linuxn00b, if you can, it's the sensible thing to do.
[06:11] <siriusnova> cdubya - ok so its not just me
[06:11] <George_boy> hello? :) can anyone please help me with the prob?
[06:11] <sethk> _linuxn00b, x windows.  gnome, kde, one of the desktops
[06:11] <thundr> iHeartKem, you may also want to try xubuntu - it's based on xfce4, which will run faster on a slower system.
[06:12] <Dido-> how to extract qemu-0.7.2-i386.tar.gz in /
[06:12] <vskye> George_boy, bios setting to assign a irq?
[06:12] <sethk> George_boy, what modem is it, exactly?
[06:12] <cdubya> siriusnova, I'm using RP9 plugins and all the mplayer plugins....works fine
[06:12] <_linuxn00b> sethk: i'm running gnome
[06:12] <siriusnova> cdubya - even works with yahoo movies?
[06:12] <iHeartKem> thanks thundr, i love xfce ;)
[06:12] <munzir> thundr: yes and now everything is ok. thanks a lot
[06:12] <thundr> iHeartKem, just sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop and you've got it :)
[06:12] <George_boy> seth_k- its an agere system modem- formerly lucent technologies
[06:12] <sethk> _linuxn00b, with the current distro, there is a red update icon next to the network icon on the right side of the toolbar.  Not sure if that was true with the earlier version.
[06:12] <cdubya> siriusnova, I don't do a lot of the movies....so I can't say whether it does or not....got one for me to try? :)
[06:12] <sethk> George_boy, is it very old?
[06:12] <thundr> glad I could help, munzir
[06:12] <iHeartKem> when i load up ubuntu can i choose gnome/xfce
[06:13] <_linuxn00b> sethk: nope... got nothing... but i'd better head to bed
[06:13] <_linuxn00b> sethk: thanks for trying to help though!  take care!
[06:13] <thundr> iHeartKem, yes, or kde if you've got that installed as well
[06:13] <_linuxn00b> take care everyone! thanks all for the help!
[06:13] <sethk> _linuxn00b, burn the cd, it's the easy thing to do.
[06:13] <George_boy> sethk- needless to say, a soft modem- not too old....it works fine on windows- and is supposedly the most favourble choice for a soft modem on linux in terms of compatibility
[06:13] <thundr> iHeartKem, just click on "session"
[06:13] <_linuxn00b> sethk: that's my task for tomorrow! ;) thanks!
[06:13] <iHeartKem> oh wow the xubuntu Usplash looks neat, is that easily change-able?
[06:13] <sethk> George_boy, it's very unusual to get an IRQ problem with a PCI device.
[06:14] <sethk> iHeartKem, not terribly difficult
[06:14] <thundr> iHeartKem, yes, I figured it out in a couple minutes.
[06:14] <George_boy> i just dont know how to get rid of the irq conflict problem...and then there's this util called setserial...lord only knows what i am suposed to do with that.
[06:14] <jah_raztah> siriusnova, i have real player 10 running, are you trying to have it integrate into mozilla firefox so that you can view you .rm/.ra streams within firefox?
[06:15] <iHeartKem> is there a util or a dir to put the logo into
[06:15] <sethk> George_boy, you shouldn't need to use that with a PCI device.
[06:15] <thundr> iHeartKem, it's under Settings > Splash Screen
[06:15] <sethk> George_boy, I would rebuild the kernel, with the modem support compiled in instead of a module.
[06:15] <iHeartKem> sweet ;)
[06:15] <thundr> iHeartKem, you may want to join #xubuntu as well.  It's not as busy as this, but they might be able to help you if you can't get help here.
[06:15] <vskye> George_boy, try shutting off something in the bios you don't need, to free up a irq. (com1,2)
[06:16] <George_boy> sethk- thanks. will try that now. :)
[06:16] <soldieruk400> im downloading kubuntu what do you think of it i heartkem?
[06:16] <munzir> Sirs! Now I tried to install 3dchess and it said a dependency is not installable. Shouldn't all dependecies be on the CD
[06:17] <sethk> munzir, no
[06:17] <sethk> munzir, silly question, since you just told us the answer yourself.  :)
[06:17] <munzir> sethk: !!
[06:17] <iHeartKem> Wow... Edubuntu, Xubuntu, Ubuntu, Kubuntu, how many are there lol
[06:18] <munzir> sethk: what's the logic behind not having a dependency on the CD?
[06:18] <sethk> munzir, not using more than one CD
[06:18] <soldieruk400> god knows lol
[06:18] <thundr> iHeartKem, that's all I know about, but I'm sure that'll change in the future :)
[06:18] <sethk> munzir, the other distros have anywhere from 2 to 4 CDs
[06:18] <sethk> munzir, suse has even more.
[06:18] <thundr> munzir, you can only compress data so much to fit one cd.
[06:19] <sethk> munzir, if you are connected to the 'net and have your repositories configured, it will install from the CD and fetch the missing dependencies for you automatically
[06:19] <vskye> sethk, debian has more
[06:19] <munzir> sethk: yes but it's much better IMHO if they include packages with full depndencies until the CD is full and then leave more packages on the net
[06:19] <vskye> ;)
[06:19] <sethk> vskye, ok, I hadn't checked debian's count recently.
[06:19] <sethk> munzir, I don't necessarily disagree, but you can see the logic behind putting them on the CD
[06:19] <sethk> munzir, that way they show up in the list of installable programs
[06:19] <cafuego> munzir: it probably slipped through the cracks, file a bug report
[06:20] <jdmpike> I have a question for everyone
[06:20] <Ep|phaby> i just reformated my laptop with ubuntu but now when i try to control the volume an error box opens saying Registry is not present or it is corrupted. Please update it by running gst-register. how do i run gst-register?
[06:20] <vskye> anyone - 800GT AGP video card - how they work?
[06:20] <dr_willis> first thing I do is remove the cd line from the apt sources...
[06:20] <jdmpike> here is the problem, I have two users on my laptop. Me and my finace.
[06:20] <jdmpike> we both take lots of digital photos and we want them to go to a shared location
[06:20] <cafuego> vskye: it's ATI, so probably badly.
[06:20] <munzir> sethk: ok now I feel the universe repo is enable already, at least it show up in synaptic what do I need to do to make it work?
[06:21] <vskye> ahh, looking to upgrade ... have a G450 Matrox now.
[06:21] <jdmpike> we are putting them in the same place, but everytime we copy them over, we have to change the permissinos
[06:21] <thundr> munzir, I assume you have that computer conected to the net?
[06:21] <jdmpike> how can I not have to do this anymore?
[06:21] <cafuego> jdmpike: make a few directory /home/shared, make it owned by the GROUP users... and add both accounts to that group.
[06:21] <DRAGON_Ultra> ATI video card works great here
[06:21] <jdmpike> I have done that
[06:21] <cafuego> jdmpike: set the permissions on that directory to 2775
[06:21] <munzir> thundr: sure it's
[06:21] <Ep|phaby> anyone got suggestions for me?
[06:21] <cafuego> jdmpike: (setgid)
[06:22] <vskye> DRAGON_Ultra, cool.  Looks like the new ATI drivers are working good.
[06:22] <simonvallore> does anyone know why when i try to get into my ftp it says 530 authentication failed sorry and the accounts are set up already through pure ftp admin
[06:22] <ubuntu_> Hi  :)
[06:22] <cafuego> jdmpike: That will make sure the files you place there will inherit the correct perms.
[06:22] <DRAGON_Ultra> ATI has always work with my linux os
[06:22] <munzir> thundr: if setting -> repo shows the universe repo is this means it's added and tha's all? still it complains of missing depends
[06:22] <iHeartKem> how exactly do you pronounce Ubuntu
[06:22] <cafuego> DRAGON_Ultra: You're obviously not trying to use fglrx on a non-i386 machine.
[06:22] <jdmpike> cafuego: what is setgid?
[06:23] <Aviatrixie> ohhboontoo
[06:23] <iHeartKem> maybe you-buntu ? or ooh-buntu
[06:23] <iHeartKem> lol
[06:23] <cafuego> iHeartKem: Depends on the language you're using.
[06:23] <chaumurky> I say ooh-buntu
[06:23] <_jason> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/pronunciation
[06:23] <_jason> lol we jsut did this
[06:23] <DShepherd> say brrooowwwn sugar
[06:23] <Ep|phaby> anyone know how to run gst-register
[06:23] <cafuego> jdmpike: See the comments in 'man chmod'.
[06:23] <iHeartKem> it sounded like an african word!
[06:23] <iHeartKem> and it damn sure is
[06:23] <vskye> DRAGON_Ultra, good to know.  Dual monitor support is a must
[06:24] <sethk> munzir, the default settings should show you a dialog for you to confirm that because of dependencies more stuff will be installed (more than you requested)
[06:24] <cafuego> My name is larry wall and I pronounce Ubuntu as 'G' 'e' 'n' 't' 'o' 'o'
[06:24] <jdmpike> cafuego: I am familiar with chmod, chusr, and chgrp. I just don't know what setgid is
[06:24] <Aviatrixie> Hi from a total oooohbuntu user. I'm doing the live cd for the first time tonight.
[06:24] <DShepherd> cafuego: are you on crack or you just skipped all your english class
[06:24] <cafuego> jdmpike: yes, hence my comment
[06:24] <iHeartKem> lmao
[06:24] <thundr> How do you like it, Aviatrixie?
[06:25] <cafuego> DShepherd: Dude
[06:25] <Aviatrixie> so far so good, thundr
[06:25] <cafuego> DShepherd: it's my third language, give me a break ;-)
[06:25] <iHeartKem> funny that the Xubuntu release's login screen still says Ubuntu
[06:25] <Aviatrixie> it found my all in one printer and scanner, my pda, and sound works fine
[06:26] <Aviatrixie> I had high hopes for mepis, but it locked up on boot
[06:26] <Hericus> mepis..
[06:26] <_freelove> mepis is outdated;)
[06:26] <Hericus> I always assumed mepis to be like SuSE.
[06:26] <Elemen1> hello everybody.
[06:26] <DRAGON_Ultra> mepis is ok but not for me
[06:26] <fredforfaen> !mp3
[06:26] <ubotflu> mp3 is, like, totally, a non-free format. To enable mp3 capability, read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[06:26] <Hericus> !idiot
[06:26] <ubotflu> I don't know, Hericus
[06:27] <Hericus> lol
[06:27] <munzir> sethk: when I choose "mark for installation" it tell me you have unresolvable deps and the deps are not installable and I only have a close button!!
[06:27] <Aviatrixie> Well... I wanted easy cross-over... linspire didn't attract me
[06:27] <thundr> Aviatrixie, this is the only one I've been able to stick with.
[06:27] <Hericus> Aviatrixie, ubuntu. :)
[06:27] <Hericus> Or gentoo.
[06:27] <jdmpike> cafeugo: Set Group ID
[06:27] <DRAGON_Ultra> look at pclinux
[06:27] <Hericus> Or slackware.
[06:27] <jdmpike> cafeugo: thanks
[06:27] <sethk> munzir, then you need more repositories.  make sure that for each repository, you have one instance for binary and another for source
[06:27] <Aviatrixie> besides, I used to live in WV... I'm only 77 miles from Warren now.
[06:28] <munzir> sethk: ah! I don't know about this source, any doc to explain how to do this? any help:
[06:28] <munzir> ?
[06:28] <_freelove> whats wrong with gnome-look.org?
[06:28] <fredforfaen> !repos
[06:28] <ubotflu> repos is, like, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 (Hoary) or http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2325 (Breezy) see also !easysource
[06:28] <Aviatrixie> I'm really impressed with Ubuntu so far. The only other distro that has worked this well so far on my pc is dsl
[06:29] <thezanke> why when i am trying to use the proxy i made with xproxy in internet explorer it is asking me to download things like www.google.com
[06:30] <sethk> munzir, bring up the preferences dialog, repositories.  For each repository you see, click settings, and change it from binary to source.  Then click the add button and add the binary repository back to the list
[06:30] <thundr> Aviatrixie, the community's definitely the friendliest of all the distros I've tried.
[06:30] <_freelove> i have avidemux2 .deb............anyone wants it??
[06:30] <sethk> munzir, sorry, click edit, not settings
[06:31] <thundr> Aviatrixie: plus, they give you completely free cds (though it takes a while to ship)
[06:32] <Aviatrixie> I've made a few friends on dsl's irc... but the distro won't be more than a toy for me. Nice for surfing, but not much more. It does do streaming well though.
[06:33] <azzz> hey guys, is there a way of updating or searching online for packages to install with yast?
[06:33] <simonvallore> does anyone know why when i try to get into my ftp it says 530 authentication failed sorry and the accounts are set up already through pure ftp admin
[06:34] <Aviatrixie> I d/led the live 5.10 today, thundr... did the full install a few days ago.
[06:34] <techrush> only other distro ive used is pclinuxos
[06:34] <techrush> which is also quite nice
[06:34] <techrush> although its KDE
[06:34] <techrush> with very crappy gnome support
[06:34] <thundr> It gets better with every release, Aviatrixie.
[06:34] <_freelove> kde is better than gnome;)
[06:34] <DRAGON_Ultra> bull
[06:34] <sethk> simonvallore, authentication failed.  If you check the logs or strace the server you can discover why.
[06:35] <Aviatrixie> I've become a distro whore recently. I'm sooooooo fed up with MS
[06:35] <_freelove> it does not...........0.92 is worse & slower than preview 9.1
[06:35] <iHeartKem> I like fluxbox/enlightenment/windowmaker and xfce
[06:35] <techrush> i think i like gnome more.....i hated KDE so bad i ended up using fluxbox on pclinuxos
[06:35] <DRAGON_Ultra> lol
[06:35] <sethk> _freelove, better is a meaningless term.  perhaps better suited for your uses.  I use KDE also
[06:35] <iHeartKem> you can always try http://www.xpde.com/ Window manager
[06:36] <sethk> _freelove, but it is neither better nor worse
[06:36] <bimberi> azzz: yast?  anyway http://packages.ubuntu.com
[06:36] <Aviatrixie> I like BeatrIX... it's a nice really stable mini Ubuntu derivative
[06:36] <thundr> yes, it's a matter of preference, _freelove
[06:36] <siriusnova> hey anyone here use the mplayer + greasemonkey extension in firefox?
[06:36] <thundr> Aviatrixie, I'll have to try that out.
[06:37] <_freelove> hmmm...;).i was just teasing;)
[06:37] <Aviatrixie> do that, thundr... it's only 180mb... works well
[06:37] <sethk> BRB. hopefully
[06:37] <LoneWolf071> is ther eany way i can block or stop peoplefrom Brute-force SSHing me?
[06:38] <vskye> unplug from the inet? ha!
[06:38] <iHeartKem> put ssh on another port ?
[06:38] <simontam> hello?
[06:38] <alp> LoneWolf071: use ssh key authentication only
[06:38] <techrush> welcome simontam
[06:38] <thundr> hi simontam
[06:38] <LoneWolf071> alp, ?
[06:38] <_jason> LoneWolf071, allow only certain ip's to connect to your computer or use ssh keys
[06:38] <sethk> LoneWolf071, I disable passwords entirely and use only public/private key authorization
[06:38] <simontam> I would like to ask someone
[06:38] <techrush> plz dont ask to ask simontam
[06:38] <techrush> just ask
[06:38] <alp> that was productive.
[06:39] <sethk> lonewolf2, then, anybody tries a password login, tarpit 'em
[06:39] <simontam> I am using Ubuntu at the moment, and i want to ask how i can un install ubuntu
[06:39] <azzz> bimberi: thx
[06:39] <simonvallore> sethk, how do i find the pureftpd logs
[06:39] <bimberi> azzz: np :)
[06:39] <thundr> simontam, you've found some problems with it?
[06:39] <sethk> simontam, not sure, as I don't use it, but somewhere in the /var/log or a /var/log subdirectory
[06:39] <simontam> do ni just insert the win xp cd
[06:40] <simontam> do i have to configure my settings so that it botos from cd?
[06:40] <Aviatrixie> so... I'm about to take the big plunge. I have a 40 mb partition free on my hd. How much should I give to Ubuntu? And any gotchas?
[06:40] <techrush> yes simontam
[06:40] <simonvallore> SIMONTAM
[06:40] <techrush> just put the evil cd in
[06:40] <dr_willis> simontam,  fdisk and delete the partitions, have xp boot to rescue mode and use 'fixmbr' to remove the boot loader.
[06:40] <simontam> do you know how?
[06:40] <techrush> if thats what you really want
[06:40] <simonvallore> open consol type sudo su
[06:40] <simonvallore> then do command rm -rf
[06:40] <techrush> simontam it depends on your system
[06:40] <dr_willis> simontam,  then boot to XP and refdisk/format the drives.
[06:40] <simonvallore> then do command rm -rf /
[06:40] <LeeJunFan> one has to wonder on an ubuntu system what they would brute force anyway, since root is diabled they would have to guess a username too.
[06:40] <jrattner1>  Is there any way to make evolution to show a POP UP or something if new mail arrives?
[06:40] <sethk> Aviatrixie, depends on how much junk you want to install.  If you install absolutely everything you'll use about 10 gig.  1 gig is more than enough for the install files of a normal system.
[06:40] <jrattner1> ?
[06:40] <thundr> Aviatrixie, you may want to give Ubuntu more than 40 megs :)
[06:41] <simontam> ok thanks you guys
[06:41] <simontam> Thanks very much:D
[06:41] <simontam> Ill see you later
[06:41] <Aviatrixie> errr... did I say megs? I mean gigs!   LOL
[06:41] <Aviatrixie> <--- scolling back
[06:41] <techrush> :)
[06:42] <_jason> can someone explain to me the difference between auth.log and auth.log.0 please?
[06:42] <thundr> jrattner1, there's a panel applet that you could use.
[06:42] <DRAGON_Ultra> later all
[06:42] <Aviatrixie> yup... I said megs... sawwy  :::blush:::
[06:42] <vr^> mmmmmmmchhhhhyeah
[06:42] <vskye> Aviatrixie, depends.  Just use the whole partition.
[06:43] <azzz> bimberi: can yast be configured to look at that?
[06:43] <thundr> Aviatrixie, no problem.  I've got 8 gigs for ubuntu and it's comfortable for me.
[06:43] <siriusnova> how do I disable the totem plugin in firefox and allow the mplayer plugin instead?
[06:43] <siriusnova> anyone?
[06:43] <weiers> I have a very strange problem with firefox (ver 1.0.7) on ubuntu breezy. I'm trying to access a password protected website, but it does not display the website. Attempts to contact the website just times out (http://dink.co.za/cpanel). I don't have the problem on my windows box, also running firefox, but even my Mozilla Browser does not allow me access to the site.
[06:43] <_jason> ubotflu, tell siriusnova about replacetotem
[06:43] <siriusnova> thx
[06:44] <thundr> jrattner1, I could be wrong, but I don't think it's based on evolution.  It will tell you when you ahve new mail, though.
[06:44] <vskye> brb
[06:44] <vr^> weiers: do you have adblock installed?
[06:44] <vr^> weiers: maybe that's causing the problem
[06:44] <weiers> vr^ how will I know?
[06:44] <razboinik> i just installed ubuntu in a toshiba laptop, but the touchpad mouse is annoying, if i move the mouse it clicks, etc, any fix for this? i tried slowing down the sensitivity for the mouse but nothing
[06:44] <simonvallore> what can i do to extract rar files ?
[06:44] <sethk> jrattner1, there is, in the config somewhere you can run a program to announce new mail.  There are also panel applets that will do it.
[06:45] <oxez> simonvallore: sudo apt-get install unrar (or rar), and then: unrar x 'file.rar'
[06:45] <_jason> simonvallore, install unrar-nonfree, it is in multiverse
[06:45] <vr^> weiers: Firefox > Tools > EXtensions    but i doubt you have it, since you don't recall installing it
[06:45] <oxez> simonvallore: I guess that's what's __jason said, unrar-nonfree
[06:45] <weiers> vr^ I see I only have the GB language pack installed
[06:45] <vr^> weiers: that comes standard with ff
[06:46] <bimberi> azzz: ubuntu uses apt tools (such as apt-get and synaptic) rather than yast.  See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AptGetHowto and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto
[06:46] <vr^> weiers: i'm not sure what the problem could be ;\
[06:46] <thundr> Aviatrixie, you may already know this, but you might want to put /home as a seperate partition and give it a couple gigs. Then, you can resize your partition as needed if you start running out of room.
[06:46] <weiers> Is there a way to install Firefox 1.5 via synaptic or apt-get?
[06:46] <jrattner1> seth_k, ok
[06:46] <_jason> weiers, no
[06:46] <Aviatrixie> I tried to do an install of BeatrIX. Everything went fine until the very end... then it stopped. I think it may have something to do with the fact my ex husband built this thing for me, and I do know my hd is st up as slave on ide 1. the cdrom is master. it must be a windows thing, but try as i might i could not get the program to install.
[06:46] <bimberi> azzz: and yes, they download and install automatically from repositories
[06:47] <seth_k> jrattner1, sethk, not me :P
[06:47] <vr^> thundr: isn't that dangerous? resizing partitions afterwards?
[06:47] <inv_arp> hmm... with breezy 2.6.12-8  how do ya get kern source?  not in apt-cache search list
[06:47] <sethk> vr^, yes, somewhat
[06:47] <sethk> vr^, back up first.
[06:47] <thundr> vr^, it depends how you do it.
[06:47] <vr^> mmhmm
[06:47] <razboinik> did anyone read my post?
[06:47] <thundr> vr^, and of course it's alwasy good to backup.
[06:47] <vr^> what's the "right way" to do it, thundr
[06:47] <B166ERX> !multiverse
[06:47] <ubotflu> from memory, repositories is How to add repositories:  http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto See !sources for example sources.list
[06:47] <B166ERX> !sources
[06:47] <vr^> i don't have anywhere to backup to
[06:47] <ubotflu> A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 (Hoary) or http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2325 (Breezy) - Create your own sources.list at http://ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[06:47] <techrush> what would you guys recommend to learn 1st if i want to start programming....i already know some (x)html css and minimal php/asp
[06:47] <vr^> ^_^
[06:48] <sethk> razboinik, if it isn't already there, put the touchpad driver into the xorg.conf file
[06:48] <sethk> techrush, python is good.
[06:48] <bimberi> techrush: python
[06:48] <techrush> ok
[06:48] <vr^> techrush: i guess it depends on where you wanna be
[06:48] <inv_arp> bah got disc
[06:48] <techrush> i dont have anywhere i wanna be
[06:48] <inv_arp> .. with breezy 2.6.12-8  how do ya get kern source?  not in apt-cache search list
[06:49] <techrush> just a hobby
[06:49] <techrush> however nerdy a hobby it may be :)
[06:49] <thundr> vr^, I'm not well-versed in fdisk and all those programs.  I've just used the ubuntu install partitioner and gtparted.
[06:49] <tryagain> you guys probably hear this a billion times.  How do install software on linux.  Exes do nothing
[06:49] <vr^> techrush: whatever floats your boat then, y'know? :)
[06:49] <sethk> techrush, python is good because you don't have to compile it, so you get to the point of running your first program more quickly.
[06:49] <thundr> tryagain, :) that's because exes are windows files.
[06:49] <techrush> cool
[06:49] <inv_arp> tryagain, apt-get install software
[06:49] <Trilom> Hey everyone, still working on getting good with ubuntu, but i need more help, I am in need of help to get Rythem Box to play MP3's, and when i try it says "This File is not an Audio Stream" Help please?
[06:49] <techrush> that sounds good
[06:49] <sethk> techrush, everything you learn for python will be applicable to other languages, also.
[06:49] <_freelove> anyone tried wolvix? its very interesting.......live cd+install.........lets u play dvds & restricted formats out of box!
[06:49] <dabaR_> tryagain: visit http://dabar.selfip.org/synaptic.html
[06:49] <techrush> great im convinced
[06:50] <tryagain> ok
[06:50] <tryagain> thanks mang
[06:50] <tryagain> i have system shock
[06:50] <dabaR_> Trilom: visit http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[06:50] <Aviatrixie> wolvix just did a stable game distro
[06:50] <razboinik> there are two in there. configured mouse and synaptics touchpad
[06:50] <tryagain> also. sinec im running from a cd...how od i get it to save everything when i shut down or restart?
[06:50] <Aviatrixie> I saw it on distrowatch today   :D
[06:50] <razboinik> sethk: there are two in there. configured mouse and synaptics touchpad
[06:51] <sethk> razboinik, synaptics touchpad should help.  check the xorg log and make sure the server is using the touchpad driver.  You might want to comment out the other, although you may not be able to (depends on how the config was written)
[06:51] <inv_arp> .. with breezy 2.6.12-8  how do ya get kern source?  not in apt-cache search list
[06:51] <B166ERX> I juste finished reinstalling ubuntu breezy, but my Windows HD  is now represented by a HDA1 icon, and ...is unnacesible
[06:52] <dabaR_> inv_arp: apt-cache search kernel-source
[06:52] <thundr> tryagain, http://help.ubuntu.com/starterguide/C/faqguide-all.html#fg-installing-applications     check that link as well
[06:52] <inv_arp> dabaR: i know 2.6.12-8 doesnt come up
[06:52] <razboinik> ok thanks let me check
[06:52] <Trilom> dabaR_ : Thanks :)
[06:52] <techrush> B166ERX you need to access it as root for some reason......so try this in a console "sudo nautilus"
[06:52] <z0rz> How can I run vncserver for a user that's not root?
[06:52] <techrush> then browse to hda1
[06:53] <_smd_> Why would beep control my sound?  even if have my sound up in every program i have?
[06:53] <Aviatrixie> B166ERX... I've heard a lot of that sort of thing happening with Ubuntu. I'm wondering if I should do my first install on a seperate hd
[06:53] <B166ERX> techrush its the first time i have to acess my other HD by root only... there must be a way to change it
[06:53] <z0rz> anyone?
[06:53] <dabaR_> B166ERX: open a terminal, and type "sudo gedit /etc/fstab" then press enter, and post the contents of the file to paste.ubuntulinux.nl, Ill tell you hwo to change it to make the drive readable.
[06:53] <sethk> Aviatrixie, doesn't prevent the thing you are worried about.  Just don't install the boot loader and boot from CD until you are comfortable with writing the MBR
[06:54] <techrush> yes im going through the same issue B166ERX i have not found a work around other then accessing it with sudo
[06:54] <dabaR_> _smd_: what, you change sound level in beep, and it changes in other programs? I have same thing, it is hard to change.
[06:54] <frogzoo> z0rz: the usual approach is either suid or a config option
[06:54] <bimberi> z0rz: what happens when you try?
[06:54] <tryagain> this sounds funny.  could you use linux to install windows?
[06:54] <dabaR_> techrush: you post your /etc/fstab to pastebin too then.
[06:55] <dabaR_> tryagain: sure.
[06:55] <z0rz> permission denied
[06:55] <_smd_> dabaR_: well that is an answer but an annoyance.
[06:55] <B166ERX> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/5687 dabar_
[06:55] <techrush> no can do atm dabaR_ im away from my ubuntu install
[06:55] <dabaR_> _smd_: is that what happens?
[06:55] <z0rz> bimberi: permissoind enied
[06:56] <bimberi> z0rz: yeah, saw it, strange - it just works (tm) for me (i installed from the ubuntu repos)
[06:56] <thundr> Aviatrixie, I was just looking at distrowatch and the wolfix site, I was curious why they didn't include any wine support in the games edition.
[06:56] <tryagain> this package manager.  Is it bascially pulling things from the cd or online that i want?
[06:56] <z0rz> so did I .. apt-get install vncserver
[06:56] <inv_arp> in breezy 2.6.12-8  how do ya get kern source?  2.6.12-8 does not show up in apt-cache search list
[06:57] <thundr> tryagain, that's right.  Online's the best (since it's usually the most recent) but it can also take packages from the cd as well.
[06:57] <bimberi> z0rz: hm
[06:57] <bimberi> inv_arp: install linux-tree
[06:57] <B166ERX> dabar_ any idea ?
[06:57] <dabaR_> inv_arp: are you sure you have stock 2.6.12? Cause I dont have that option.
[06:57] <tryagain> ahhh
[06:57] <_smd_> ie: i am listening to a radio stream, phone rings  i turn it down go away for bit, then come back to alot of msg i missed in my chat programs.  Never heard them as I turned the sound down in bmp, or i am watching  to a movie in say xine and i start to listen to a song, i turn the movie down so i can hear the song but then after the song i close bmp and the movie and turn the movie up  I cannot hear anything
[06:57] <dabaR_> B166ERX: reload the page, and on the list on the left you will see my correction. Try putting that in your file instead of what you have, and save, close, and then "sudo mount -a"
[06:57] <tryagain> i kinda get it
[06:57] <tryagain> it comes super barebones
[06:58] <tryagain> cuz i couldnt even get flash pages to display
[06:58] <B166ERX> hm ok
[06:58] <tryagain> or mp3s to work
[06:58] <Aviatrixie> thundr... no clue... I'm not a gamer... but my kids are. I just thought it neat that someone made a game distro. In fact, I started to D/L for them, but the server was way slow. I aborted a couple minutes into the D/L.
[06:58] <z0rz> http://z0rz.pastebin.com/461875 is what it says
[06:58] <inv_arp> dabaR: uname -a  Linux linus 2.6.12-8-386 #1 Tue Aug 30 22:41:30 BST 2005 i686 GNU/Linu
[06:58] <dabaR_> _smd_: ya, they are connected for some reason, I never fixed it myself.
[06:58] <thundr> Aviatrixie, I don't know if it's still updated, but Games Knoppix has a couple releases as well.
[06:58] <dabaR_> inv_arp: ya, but how did you install that kernel
[06:58] <_smd_> dabaR_ that is my frustration
[06:58] <z0rz> and when I try to vnc to 192
[06:59] <inv_arp> dabaR: default with install
[06:59] <z0rz> to myip:1 it says failed to connect
[06:59] <inv_arp> havent chged a thing
[06:59] <dabaR_> inv_arp: ya, I have that one too. sec.
[06:59] <thundr> tryagain, not as barebones as it could be, but there are a few non-open-source packages that are not included in the standard install.
[07:00] <bimberi> z0rz: sudo chown -r z0rz:z0rz /home/z0rz  (assuming z0rz is your username)  then retry
[07:00] <Aviatrixie> I'm liking Ubuntu bunches. But goddess... I guess I'm going to have to learn cli if I install.
[07:00] <B166ERX> Dabar_ still not working ? :\ weird
[07:01] <techrush> Aviatrixie you dont HAVE to learn the command line....and the helpful stuff you can learn bit by bit
[07:01] <z0rz> Alright what ftp server do ya'll suggest?
[07:01] <z0rz> ProFTPd?
[07:01] <tryagain> hmmm relative to other things :)
[07:01] <dabaR_> B166ERX: try the new one.
[07:02] <bimberi> z0rz: any change?
[07:02] <dabaR_> z0rz: use sftpd. vsftpd. ftp sends your password in plain text.
[07:02] <lucis> I'm wondering how to tell which version of ubuntu i have installe
[07:02] <lucis> d
[07:02] <bimberi> lucis: lsb_release -a
[07:02] <lucis> thanks
[07:02] <B166ERX> dabar_ i'm wondering if i saved the good fstab, cause still unnacessible, even from /media/hda1
[07:02] <z0rz> so sftpd?
[07:02] <dabaR_> vsftpd
[07:03] <tryagain> Does autocad work on linux?
[07:03] <dabaR_> tryagain
[07:03] <thundr> Aviatrixie, it really hasn't taken that long for me.  The Starter Guide really helped me out a lot when I was starting.  I've been using Ubuntu since about Feb. and I still need instructions for many things CL (through man pages or whatnot), but I'm getting better.  For most things you're set if all you know is sudo apt-get install and how to occassionally edit and copy/paste stuff into a config file.
[07:03] <dabaR_> tryagain: you can maybe go about some way of runing it. I dont think anyone here knows.
[07:04] <tryagain> Hmmm.
[07:04] <thundr> tryagain, it may be able to be emulated, though there is a free cad program - QCAD that may work.
[07:04] <techrush> im not sure if autocad runs in wine but im geussing not....
[07:04] <tryagain> I have an autocad project due soon
[07:04] <techrush> their are CAD programs for linux though
[07:04] <Aviatrixie> Funny thing... I was an early adaptor. 1982... bought a TI/99. Went through a ton of over priced toys... c-64, amiga, apple... loved apple os 7. Finally settled into windows 3.1. geez... I'm old!!!
[07:04] <B166ERX> dabar_   still not :\ arrr
[07:04] <tryagain> and i know trial copies are avaible from autodesk
[07:04] <Hericus> night all
[07:04] <dabaR_> B166ERX: you run sudo mount -a after making a change?
[07:04] <tryagain> i like open office
[07:04] <B166ERX> yes
[07:05] <techrush> Aviatrixie i used to use windows 3.11 dont feel bad
[07:05] <techrush> and os7 did rock :)
[07:05] <dabaR_> B166ERX: try that one..
[07:05] <Aviatrixie> My son has infected his AND my PC's with CWS highjacks. I'm ready to divorce Mr. Gates.
[07:05] <IzzyCC> anyone here familiar with ISPConfig?
[07:06] <thundr> tryagain: http://www.ribbonsoft.com/qcad.html - there may be more cad programs as well, I haven't really looked into it.
[07:06] <Madpilot> Aviatrixie: CWS? wazzat?
[07:06] <techrush>  college world series
[07:06] <z0rz> does vsftpd support fxp sessions
[07:06] <B166ERX> dabar_ looking bad, still not
[07:06] <thundr> Aviatrixie, I know the feeling.  It's really nice to not have to run anti-virus or spyware tools.
[07:07] <dabaR_> B166ERX: your file looks exactly like the pastebin?
[07:07] <tryagain> am i out of luck when it comes to games? such as fear?
[07:07] <thundr> tryagain, there are many games that are suported by a progam called cedega.
[07:07] <B166ERX> yes...cut and paste
[07:07] <Madpilot> tryagain: no idea about FEAR, but Quake has a Linux-native version
[07:07] <Aviatrixie> CSW is coolwebsearch
[07:08] <thundr> tryagain, some windows games work under wine and xwine
[07:08] <tryagain> i know tribes 2 does too
[07:08] <dabaR_> tryagain: try transgaming.org if you want.
[07:08] <tryagain> that qcad looks nice form the screens
[07:08] <Aviatrixie> If you haven't used windows in a couple years you wouldn't know about it
[07:08] <Aviatrixie> it's nasty
[07:08] <thundr> tryagain: http://transgaming.org/gamesdb/
[07:09] <navarone> csw is some kind of spyware thing...like comet cursor
[07:09] <varsendagger> tryagain, http://www.linuxlinks.com/Software/Graphics/CAD/index.shtml
[07:09] <thundr> Aviatrixie, oh, yes.  The computers at school are constantly being bogged down by crap like that.
[07:09] <simonvallore> omg cool web search i had it one time it was so nice im gld who ever installed it did
[07:09] <Aviatrixie> no... cws is a trojan that takes your os hostage
[07:09] <thundr> simonvallore, I hope you're kidding.
[07:10] <yosef> Can someone help me filename encoding?
[07:10] <Madpilot> Aviatrixie: I used Windows until May of this year, but I've always had a healthy distrust of most of those "free" "helpful" addons... :P
[07:10] <yosef> I've got a few network directories in hebrew, that appear as gibberish in ubuntu
[07:11] <thundr> Madpilot, especially the ones with 40 page EULAs and privacy policies.
[07:11] <simonvallore> thundr, you dont like it ?
[07:11] <Aviatrixie> it hijacks your browser, disables your av and firewall, makes your homepage some bizarre porn site...
[07:11] <simonvallore> it was great very helpfull they should be taken off the spyware list
[07:11] <navarone> Madpilot...I find people just click on these web sites banners without thinking...that happened alot at work...people losing their desktops when payload hits...that sorta thing
[07:11] <Aviatrixie> the only way to fix it is to reformat your drive and do a clean install
[07:12] <thundr> simonvallore, no.  What exactly was it helpful at?  Displaying popups?  What can it do that something like google can't?
[07:12] <techrush> ive gotten rid of it before
[07:12] <techrush> its hard though
[07:12] <yosef> anyone know how to get proper encoding in the filesystem?
[07:12] <navarone> even google has a search bar...why use anything else really?
[07:12] <thundr> yosef, sounds like you might need to install the correct language package.
[07:12] <simonvallore> thundr, the popups were helpfull i also hd another one that informed me of spy where its amazing how often it was cathing it
[07:13] <simonvallore> i bought 7 or 8 spyware programs it suggested
[07:13] <Madpilot> simonvallore: I do hope you're joking... :P
[07:13] <Aviatrixie> I got rid of an earlier cws hijack... but tooncomics was too much. the core changes it's name with each reboot
[07:13] <yosef> thundr I have the right languages installed
[07:13] <ilba7r> how to set natlius to open a specific extension (.lyx in my case) with a specific application (lyx in my case). PS right click then setting open with in properties is not working and i do not know why so am seeking other solutions?
[07:13] <tryagain> is there a way to have linux and windows or sometoher os on the same hd?
[07:13] <tryagain> without partitions?
[07:13] <Wei_Li> lol spy where
[07:13] <simonvallore> Madpilot, of course i am lol
[07:13] <siriusnova> heh firefox crashes way too much
[07:13] <siriusnova> whats the newest 1.0 something?
[07:14] <siriusnova> im on 1.0.7
[07:14] <navarone> 1.5
[07:14] <navarone> oops
[07:14] <frogzoo> navarone: you wont find gullible in the dictionary
[07:14] <siriusnova> navarone - not updated for ubuntu yet :/
[07:14] <yosef> thundr do you experiance with this?
[07:14] <navarone> 1.5 for windows released
[07:14] <Madpilot> sirexas: 1.5 is out; I gather it crashes at least as often as any other version of FF does...
[07:14] <ilba7r> siriusnova try opera much more stable
[07:14] <bimberi> frogzoo: :)
[07:14] <siriusnova> ilba7r - yeah except opera wont play movies and trailers :/
[07:14] <thundr> I'm sorry.  I don't, yosef.
[07:14] <navarone> frogzoo...it is right next to cliche
[07:14] <ilba7r> siriusnva you can set it up do play them
[07:15] <siriusnova> hmm k
[07:15] <frogzoo> lol
[07:15] <yosef> Anyone have experiance with wrong char encoding in the filesystem?
[07:15] <thundr> Madpilot, but it's not out for breezy backports, officially AFAIK.
[07:15] <navarone> yosef...i once set terminal font to wingdings...j/k
[07:15] <ilba7r> siriusnova tools>pref>advanced
[07:16] <Aviatrixie> thundr... are you a mod here?
[07:16] <yosef> navarone thnx, but I am in need of help, here...
[07:16] <thundr> Aviatrixie, no, I'm not.  I'm curious, though.  Why do you ask?
[07:16] <dabaR_> B166ERX: make it how it was with the umask, as in the NextTry post. Then unmount the drive using "sudo umount /dev/hda1", then sudo mount -a
[07:16] <varsendagger> no way thunder doesn't glow of golden sunshine
[07:16] <navarone> yosef what encoding you need enabled?
[07:17] <tryagain> to play dvds
[07:17] <tryagain> it says go to a terminal
[07:17] <tryagain> what is a terminal
[07:17] <thundr> navarone, he needs hebrew
[07:17] <yosef> navarone I'm not sure, I think hebrew windows 1255
[07:17] <tryagain> and type in something
[07:17] <Aviatrixie> Just curious... I used to mod a forum. You seemed like a mod. ;)
[07:17] <navarone> yosef...is hebrew characters in character map?
[07:17] <yosef> navarone meaning?
[07:18] <navarone> thundr more new wave than mod...;)
[07:18] <yosef> navarone yes
[07:18] <thundr> Aviatrixie, thanks.  I don't think I've ever been called that before.
[07:18] <dabaR_> tryagain: The terminal is in your applications menu.
[07:18] <benplaut> is it possible and/or difficult to set up remote desktop between two ubuntu computers, so one can do remote administration on one machine from the other?
[07:18] <benplaut> setting my NYC grandmother up with linux
[07:18] <Aviatrixie> I think Ubuntu is a very good thing. I hope Mr. Gates is making a mess in his pants over it. ;)
[07:19] <tryagain> found
[07:19] <siriusnova> Ubuntu people really need to swap out Totem + Firefox Plugin with Mozilla Mplayer plugin and mplayer
[07:19] <siriusnova> it really makes a 100% difference
[07:19] <B166ERX> dabar_ its working :)    hm, if i want to change 'hda1' name to 'windows' where should i change it ?
[07:19] <thundr> benplaut, yes, it's possible.
[07:19] <varsendagger> siriusnova, yeah buddy
[07:19] <Aviatrixie> I need to find good info on cli stuff
[07:19] <benplaut> thundr: through the gnome app for enabling, then using tsclient?
[07:20] <Aviatrixie> none geek stuff
[07:20] <varsendagger> Aviatrixie, what do you want to do?
[07:20] <tryagain> aww cool
[07:20] <tryagain> something happen
[07:20] <thundr> benplaut, however, I don't know how to do it.  I really have no experience in that kind of thing.
[07:20] <tryagain> i just dont know what
[07:20] <jasonjdp> anybody ever get onboard audio working on an ASUS mobo? just curious
[07:20] <benplaut> k
[07:20] <siriusnova> varsendagger - with mplayer and mplayer mozilla plugin and disabling the totem plugin for firefox i can watch apple trailers, yahoo movie trailers, you name it. With Totem all I get is an error message lol
[07:20] <Aviatrixie> everything, varsendagger
[07:20] <benplaut> i'll try to do it from a live system into my computer, see if it works
[07:20] <yosef> navarone got anything for me?
[07:21] <Aviatrixie> I'm a rank newbie. BUT... I'm an intelligent woman that wants to learn how.
[07:21] <Madpilot> jasonjdp: I've got an Asus mobo, and the onboard sound has always worked perfectly in Ubuntu
[07:21] <jitsumi> Hello! I can not get Blender to start. When I try to start it from terminal it says: Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0". Help anyone?
[07:21] <dabaR_> !cli
[07:21] <ubotflu> it has been said that cli is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BasicCommands or http://www.linuxcommand.org/ or http://www.tuxfiles.org
[07:22] <varsendagger> siriusnova, i tried to get mplayer working on debian and could'n t do it but then i fired up ubuntu and in three minutes i was watching movies in firefox
[07:22] <jasonjdp> hmm, odd... ive got a A7V333 and it didnt set it up ;-(
[07:22] <Aviatrixie> Madpilot... you fly?
[07:22] <dabaR_> Aviatrixie: there. read if you want.^
[07:22] <tryagain> linux makes me think
[07:23] <Madpilot> Aviatrixie: I do - you?
[07:23] <varsendagger> --- i watched streaming malcom in inth middle lastnight, and i can ususally get daria or P&T BS
[07:23] <Aviatrixie> dabaR_... I got no link
[07:23] <siriusnova> varsendagger - ya no kidding, mplayer is so much nicer
[07:23] <varsendagger> tryagain, what about
[07:23] <tryagain> about little things
[07:23] <Aviatrixie> Yes... I do, Mad
[07:23] <navarone> yosef...can't see anyhting in config editor...a lot about fonts but mostly global options not for directories only
[07:23] <tryagain> just installing things
[07:23] <Madpilot> !tell Aviatrixie about cli
[07:23] <benplaut> anyone here know anything about VNC servers?
[07:24] <nemik> how can i see what kind of memory i have? pc2100 or pc2700
[07:24] <tryagain>  error processing w32codecs_20050412-0.0_i386.deb (--install):
[07:24] <tryagain>  package architecture (i386) does not match system (amd64)
[07:24] <tryagain> Errors were encountered while processing:
[07:24] <tryagain>  w32codecs_20050412-0.0_i386.deb
[07:24] <dabaR_> tryagain: visit gnu.org/philosophy/why-gnu-linux.html to learn about the name.
[07:24] <tryagain> that means its not working?
[07:24] <sethk> nemik, screwdriver and flashlight
[07:24] <dabaR_> tryagain: check out paste.ubuntulinux.nl to learn about how to paste.
[07:24] <nemik> sethk, i need to apt-get both? ;) seriously though is there a way?
[07:24] <Dido-> anyone know how to install cdrdao-1.2.1.tar.gz ?
[07:24] <varsendagger> tryagain, like what goes on behind the windows is loading screen
[07:25] <sethk> nemik, yes, in the /sys and /proc directories you'll find the info.
[07:25] <navarone> nemik somet9mes it says memory type as you boot up
[07:25] <tryagain> i guess.
[07:25] <tryagain> driving an auto vs a manual
[07:25] <tryagain> you gotta get used to it
[07:25] <nemik> navarone, rather not restart now... just wanted to see some software solution to this
[07:25] <thundr> nemik, you may be able to find it in your bios setup
[07:25] <varsendagger> --- C:/wheres/the/beer... oh crap i have to runn some programs that my owner didn't install just to burn memory
[07:26] <varsendagger> that memory isn't goinig to use itself
[07:26] <Aviatrixie> madpilot... jets or recips?
[07:27] <dabaR> Dido-: why not use the version that ubuntu has?
[07:27] <tryagain> http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/why-gnu-linux.html shows as NOT FOUND
[07:28] <tryagain> 404 message
[07:28] <Madpilot> Aviatrixie: recip - I've just got my Private, still working toward IFR/Comm
[07:28] <Aviatrixie> ok :)
[07:28] <varsendagger>     We're sorry...
[07:28] <varsendagger>     ... but we can't process your request right now. A computer virus or spyware application is sending us automated requests, and it appears that your computer or network has been infected.
[07:28] <varsendagger>     We'll restore your access as quickly as possible, so try again soon. In the meantime, you might want to run a virus checker or spyware remover to make sure that your computer is free of viruses and other spurious software.
[07:28] <varsendagger>     We apologize for the inconvenience, and hope we'll see you again on Google.
[07:29] <varsendagger> what the heck?
[07:29] <dabaR> gnu.org/gnu/why-gnu-linux.html actually. and visit gnu.org/philosophy it is a good read.
[07:29] <Aviatrixie> I got those almost 40 years ago
[07:29] <tryagain> ok
[07:31] <dabaR> so. Good night to all.
[07:31] <Madpilot> Aviatrixie: you've been flying just a bit longer than I have, then :)
[07:31] <gnu2it2> what is needed to play a dvd? totem complains. could not play DVD
[07:32] <Madpilot> !dvd
[07:32] <ubotflu> extra, extra, read all about it, dvd is "DVD playing is possible in ubuntu, some DVDs may require libdvdcss2, which is available on http://seveas.ubuntulinux.nl   See also !libdvdcss2"
[07:32] <tryagain> thats a big read
[07:32] <tryagain> i get free software
[07:32] <tryagain> !libdvdcss2
[07:32] <ubotflu> tryagain: What?
[07:32] <Aviatrixie> I've been doing it for a living... prolly longer tha any sane person should.
[07:32] <ldy> join #debian-zh
[07:32] <Madpilot> !libdvdcss2
[07:33] <tryagain> hmmm.
[07:33] <z0rz> I installed mysql and php5 sepeartely
[07:33] <z0rz> I need to link them in php.ini right?
[07:33] <ldy> Hi all. Is there someone who use ubuntu on IBM-T42?
[07:33] <ilba7r> hi ldy
[07:33] <Aviatrixie> but I'm not here to teach aviation... I'm here to learn linux
[07:33] <ilba7r> what do you need
[07:34] <Madpilot> Aviatrixie: I planning on flying for a living - and as for sanity, holding a PL & being sane seem to be mutually exclusive
[07:34] <ldy> ilba7r, Hello, I can not find eth1 after modprobe ipw2100
[07:34] <ilba7r> ldy i have here ipw2200
[07:34] <ldy> ilba7r, After modprobe ipw2100, iwconfig can not find eth1
[07:34] <ilba7r> and it worked out of the box
[07:35] <ldy> ilba7r, How did you do that?
[07:35] <ldy> Ilta, only modprobe ipw2200?
[07:35] <dabaR> hehe
[07:35] <z0rz> debar .. I have everything installed I just want to link mysql to php
[07:35] <z0rz> then I'm done
[07:35] <jasonjdp> is installing the nvida drivers for my gf4 gonna be easy? ive installed quite a few things in ubuntu already... now im looking into messing with my display drivers
[07:35] <ilba7r> ldy it worked out of the box for me on breezy
[07:35] <ilba7r> ldy give me a min will give you alink
[07:36] <ldy> ilba7r, ok,thanks
[07:36] <thundr> jasonjdp, it's not that hard.
[07:36] <thundr> jasonjdp, let me see if I can get you some instructions
[07:36] <jasonjdp> <3 thundr!
[07:37] <ilba7r> ldy https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportMachinesLaptopsIBM
[07:37] <ilba7r> ldy so do you have ipw2100?
[07:37] <thundr> jasonjdp, try here: http://help.ubuntu.com/starterguide/C/faqguide-all.html#fg-hardware
[07:38] <ilba7r> ldy or did you install it for i know it is also automatically installed by breezy
[07:38] <thundr> I hope that's not too hard, jasonjdp
[07:38] <Aviatrixie> madpilot... good luck... flying has been the most joyous experience of my life. BUT... I've seen my pay cut more than in half, my benefits DRASTICALY reduced, and my wonderful pension TAKEN AWAY from me... all in the name of bankruptcy. Meanwhile, the idiots and a**holes in upper management walk away with parachutes, bennys, and pensions intact.
[07:38] <nemik> i just got dvdshrink working! and so much better than in windows even though it is running under wine! this is awesome! i no longer need windows. feels so good :)
[07:38] <jasonjdp> thnx bro!
[07:39] <ldy> ilba7r, Yes
[07:39] <Nerened> yay! reinstalling xubuntu again
[07:39] <thundr> Aviatrixie, oh, you work for "that" airline.
[07:39] <ldy> ilba7r, lspci result: 0000:02:02.0 Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications, Inc. AR5212 802.11abg NIC (rev 01)
[07:39] <boxdude> Hey, could somebody help me get 3d acceleration working with an nvidia card?
[07:39] <thundr> boxdude, yes
[07:39] <Aviatrixie> err... yes?
[07:39] <tryagain> how do i get the cd player to play ym cd?
[07:40] <boxdude> thundr, ok, how do i start?
[07:40] <ilba7r> ldy ok you have the atheros then ok give me a min
[07:40] <thundr> boxdude, try here: http://help.ubuntu.com/starterguide/C/faqguide-all.html#installnvidiadriver
[07:40] <tryagain> nevermind. it was reading of fthe wrong drive
[07:40] <ldy> ilba7r, I can modprobe both ipw2100 and ipw2200.
[07:40] <ilba7r> ldy look at the ibmthinkpad t42p
[07:40] <tryagain> system is getting very laggy
[07:41] <ilba7r> ldy did you check the /etc/network/interfaces file
[07:41] <thundr> boxdude, it'll probably be easier to copy and paste the code from the page than here.  But feel free to ask if you run into any problems.
[07:41] <ldy> ilba7r, I have edit /etc/network/interfaces.
[07:41] <ilba7r> ok i remember now sometimes the network is not recognized if you turend it off by Fn F5 try to turn it on first
[07:42] <benplaut> anyone here know anything about vnc servers, or remote desktop ubuntu>ubuntu in general?
[07:42] <ldy> ilba7r, I add "auto eth1" and "iface eth1 inet dhcp"
[07:42] <ldy> ilba7r, Is that right?
[07:43] <ilba7r> yah and it works fine here
[07:43] <boxdude> thundr, alright thanks
[07:43] <_jason> benplaut, I know freenx works great for me
[07:43] <benplaut> _jason: using freenx on the server side, an ubuntu machine?
[07:44] <_jason> benplaut, yes
[07:44] <thundr> boxdude, no problem
[07:44] <tryagain> ok thanks guys
[07:44] <cc> hello there..
[07:44] <tryagain> im gonna go to bed for now
[07:44] <ldy> ilba7r, which kernel does you use?
[07:46] <Dido-> dabaR, beacause when i ran k3b it said that i dont have cdrdao and i need to install it so i downloaded it
[07:46] <sethk> Dido-, should install as a dependency
[07:47] <hmpedersen> I have a small question about installing..
[07:47] <Dido-> sethk, sorry i didnt understand?
[07:48] <benplaut> 8kb/s repos = not good
[07:48] <sethk> Dido-, if you don't have cdrdao, synaptic should install it for you as a dependency.  you shouldn't have to manually download it.
[07:48] <cc> would anyone here like to chat?
[07:48] <thundr> Dido-, also you have to run k3b as sudo
[07:49] <Pedrolito> Hi, I just installed ubuntu, and I would like to update it, but it's asking for a root password and I was never asked to set any during the installation. What's going on?
[07:49] <hmpedersen> My pc has an amd athlon 64.. Will i be able to install the i386 on the computer?
[07:49] <hmpedersen> Pedro, there is no root password.. Use your user password..
[07:49] <sattlerium> hello all
[07:49] <thundr> cc, not to be rude, but you may want to join #ubuntu-offtopic since this channel is pretty busy.
[07:49] <Madpilot> thundr: you shouldn't have to - I don't
[07:49] <Dido-> sethk, so how to install it as dependancy
[07:49] <cc> this is my first time here...sorry i'm a windows user normally...
[07:49] <Madpilot> !tell Pedrolito about root
[07:50] <cc> k thundr...how do i do that?
[07:50] <Pedrolito> thanks Madpilot
[07:50] <thundr> cc, just /join #ubuntu-offtopic
[07:50] <hmpedersen> cc, /j #ubuntu-offtopic
[07:50] <sattlerium> my first time here too - is there a place for new mac people_
[07:51] <hmpedersen> bbl
[07:51] <eobanb> sattlerium, i'm a mac / ubuntu user, if you have any specific questions
[07:51] <Madpilot> sattlerium: Ubuntu on Mac? right here...
[07:51] <sattlerium> cool - you two mac people
[07:52] <benplaut> _jason: once it's installed, is there a guide i can follow to set it up?
[07:52] <cc> well my computer crashed...so i just put this on here..lol..sorry its my boyfriends and i have no clue what i'm doing...but would like to learn
[07:52] <yi> so, anyone know what the hold up on xorg 7.0RC3 is?
[07:52] <_jason> benplaut, did you have ssh up and running before you installed?
[07:52] <thundr> Madpilot, "It is highly recommended to configure cdrdao to run with root privileges to increase the overall stability of the burning process."
[07:52] <Madpilot> sattlerium: I'm not, actually. x86 myself - but there are Ubuntu PPC users here too
[07:52] <benplaut> _jason: going by the fact that i don't know, probably not
[07:52] <sattlerium> Thing is this. I hav a iMacG4 with an external FW drive and the bootloader did not want to install...
[07:52] <thundr> cc, that's okay, we're always helping new users here.
[07:53] <benplaut> this is a completely new topic to me
[07:53] <ajmitch> yi: hold up?
[07:53] <eobanb> cc, if you have any specific questions, just ask
[07:53] <Pedrolito> there's no way to enable the root account?
[07:53] <yi> ajmitch: in dapper
[07:53] <cc> well thank goodness..lol...i
[07:53] <Aviatrixie> I should go. sweet dreams linux people!  ;)
[07:53] <eobanb> Pedrolito, you can, but i would recommend against it
[07:53] <cc> m not sure how i even made it here...lol..
[07:53] <sattlerium> cool, guys
[07:53] <thundr> Aviatrixie, good night!
[07:53] <_jason> benplaut, okay, well you should start by setting up ssh (search the wiki, it's easy to do) and then read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreeNX (also easy to do)
[07:53] <benplaut> thanks
[07:53] <Pedrolito> eobanb, why?
[07:53] <ajmitch> yi: why do you say it's 'held up'?
[07:53] <eobanb> Pedrolito, security reasons
[07:53] <cc> where can i go to just chat with ppl about "stuff in general"
[07:54] <eobanb> stuff in general about ubuntu?
[07:54] <yi> ajmitch: because no binaries have been uploaded for it and from rc1/rc2 the updates were rather quick
[07:54] <cc> ...cuz ya'll are losing me..lol
[07:54] <eobanb> here, or perhaps #ubuntu-offtopic
[07:54] <oemg> Hi everybody. I just installed dosbox via repository. However, the whole directory it's in is owned by root, meaning that I can't create my own config files. How do I make myself the owner?
[07:54] <eobanb> Pedrolito, if you need to perform an operation as root, use sudo
[07:54] <yi> ajmitch: it includes some pretty important fixes
[07:54] <Dido-> sethk, i enabled synapic to consider recommendet packs as dependencies but when when i refreshed didnt download... any other help?
[07:54] <ajmitch> yi: maybe it's because the maintainer was on holiday? and this is dapper :)
[07:54] <eobanb> cc, join #ubuntu-offtopic, it's a bit quieter.
[07:54] <thundr> cc, I don't get all the stuff everyone's talking about in here.
[07:54] <thundr> cc, so you're not alone. :)
[07:55] <yi> ajmitch: maintainers on holiday? how ridiculous! ;)
[07:55] <sethk> Dido-, try to update your dependencies
[07:55] <cc> lol...nice to know...
[07:55] <sethk> Dido-, your repositories, sorry
[07:55] <_jason> cc, type: /join #ubuntu-offtopic
[07:55] <yi> ajmitch: i was just curious if there were any outstanding issues that kept it from getting commited
[07:55] <cc> okay...really...can someone tell me how to get to the offtopic thing..
[07:56] <eobanb> cc, type: /join #ubuntu-offtopic
[07:56] <_jason> cc, i just told you
[07:56] <ajmitch> yi: no, since it was being uploaded a few minutes before you asked
[07:56] <Madpilot> cc: type that in the same place you're typing to chat to us
[07:56] <cc> i realize u might have jason...but u dont understand how lost i am here..lol
[07:56] <ajmitch> or at least ready for upload
[07:56] <cc> thank you mad...lol
[07:56] <Dido-> sethk, this is what i did exactly but it didn't work ;[ cant u help me out to install the one i've downloaded
[07:56] <_jason> cc, lol it's ok :)
[07:57] <sethk> Dido-, sorry, I have to go for a while.  I'll be back.  Mine installs so we can see what's different about my install and yours.
[07:57] <sethk> Dido-, wish I dind't have to go for a bit, but unavoidable.
[07:58] <benplaut> Seveas: your FreeNX repo is no longer active?
[07:59] <oemg> I was wondering, I can't edit anything inside a certain program's directory (dosbox), meaning that I can't create config files. This is because root owns the directory. How can I make myself the owner (or edit root's files?)
[07:59] <yi> ajmitch: neat
[07:59] <z0rz> Is it wise to chown -R z0rz /var/www ?
[07:59] <eobanb> oemg, use sudo
[07:59] <eobanb> sudo gedit /path/to/file
[07:59] <eobanb> ^--example
[07:59] <_jason> benplaut, I think he put a mirror up
[07:59] <oemg> ah, ok
[07:59] <z0rz> or should I just leave /var/www owned by root and when I want to edit something in /var/www just sudo vi it?
[08:00] <StarKruzr> hi guys.  can someone tell me what the correct procedure is to use a custom kernel?  make-kpkg and all that?
[08:00] <rabeldable> !perms
[08:00] <ubotflu> permissions are explained here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FilePermissions  - The easiest way to work with permissions is to sudo chmod {options} filename.  Also, try "man chmod", "man chown", and "man chgrp" from the console.
[08:00] <benplaut> _jason: that's not working, either
[08:00] <benplaut> 404
[08:00] <omeg> Thanks ubotflu
[08:00] <Madpilot> z0rz: I left /var/www owned by root, but all the sub-directories in it - that actually have stuff in them - are owned by my user - but this is NOT a live server, just a dev/testing install...
[08:00] <mkyb14> oh bitchX owns
[08:01] <sattlerium> uhm, I was wondering, do you know if it is possible to install the PPC version on  FW drive_, eobanb
[08:01] <z0rz> so what would be the best bet for a live server?
[08:01] <jrattner1> is mpdvdkit2 or libdvdcss in the repositories?
[08:01] <z0rz> I want to ftp to it and edit files and stuff without doing domain.name/~username
[08:01] <_jason> benplaut, strange,  jsut downlaoded the package manually
[08:02] <benplaut> rgr
[08:02] <rabeldable> best for a live server is to leave whats in /var/www alone and make sure o has read and execute perms
[08:02] <z0rz> who's o?
[08:02] <_jason> benplaut, but I think your right, it's not setup right (although I don't know too much about it).  Might want to wait for seveas to show up
[08:02] <rabeldable> other
[08:02] <benplaut> yeah
[08:03] <Dido-> _jason,  can u help me out to install cdrdao-1.2.1.tar.gz ?
[08:03] <_jason> Dido-, I have no idea what that is, I would if I could
[08:03] <rabeldable> z0rz: change your document root to somewhere else... leave the /var/www/ files alone they are usually for icons and error pages anyways
[08:03] <_jason> benplaut, see: http://free.linux.hp.com/~brett/seveas/freenx//pool/freenx/ hrmmmmmmmm
[08:04] <z0rz> what about phpmyadmin?
[08:04] <z0rz> just mv the files?
[08:04] <rabeldable> Dido-: tar -xzf cdrdao-1.2.1.tar.gz
[08:04] <benplaut> _jason: i'm downloading them all manually, dpkg -i *.deb
[08:04] <rabeldable> Dido-: then look for a readme or install file inside of the new directory
[08:04] <_jason> benplaut, don't do that
[08:04] <benplaut> ?
[08:04] <benplaut> why not?
[08:04] <_jason> benplaut, iirc there were a few dependencies I needed and dpkjg won't get them for you
[08:05] <StarKruzr> !kernel
[08:05] <iKernel> Boo! :P
[08:05] <rabeldable> z0rz: move everything that you would put in /var/www/htdocs somewhere else
[08:05] <StarKruzr> hm.  guess not.
[08:05] <thundr> I'm running k3bsetup and I'm trying to get myself into a "burning" group so I have privleges to cdrecord and can do all that stuff.  Does anyone know what I'm talking about?  I've already created a group but I don't know what to do with the group id.
[08:05] <benplaut> _jason: install the synaptic version, then uninstall :)
[08:05] <iKernel> What's ubuntu like?
[08:05] <rabeldable> like /usr/local/web-files or some other large partition
[08:05] <iKernel> What's ubuntu like?
[08:05] <iKernel> What's ubuntu like?
[08:05] <iKernel> What's ubuntu like?
[08:05] <ajmitch> iKernel: stop that now
[08:05] <StarKruzr> ah, /ignore.
[08:05] <Dido-> redeeman, i unpacked and read the readme and install but nothing usefull there.. the install says to type "make" next "make install" but bash: make: command not found
[08:06] <benplaut> err, universe version
[08:06] <StarKruzr> 'tis a beautiful thing.
[08:06] <iKernel> ajmitch: I already have.
[08:06] <thundr> but to answer your question, iKernel, it's nice.
[08:06] <_jason> benplaut, what errors were you getting exactly?
[08:06] <iKernel> Uh oh.
[08:06] <Mr_Milenko> someoens boutta get hit with a banhammer
[08:06] <benplaut> _jason: can't find  fonts
[08:06] <ajmitch> Mr_Milenko: shush :P
[08:06] <iKernel> :(
[08:06] <Mr_Milenko> lol
[08:06] <_jason> benplaut, I meant using the repo
[08:06] <benplaut> 404
[08:07] <benplaut> on both
[08:07] <rabeldable> Dido-: you need to install make
[08:07] <CaptainMorgan> after upgrading to breezy, i rebooted and now I have gui login or any gui whatsoever... help?
[08:07] <_jason> benplaut, i'm gonna try them
[08:07] <CaptainMorgan> and now i have NO gui login or anything..
[08:08] <Chousuke> CaptainMorgan: are you on ubuntu now?
[08:08] <CaptainMorgan> no
[08:08] <CaptainMorgan> Win
[08:08] <Chousuke> You should be on ubuntu.
[08:08] <ash_> CaptainMorgan: are you using ubuntu or kubuntu?
[08:08] <_jason> benplaut, working ok for me, did you add the gpg keys?
[08:08] <Chousuke> you can irc from the console so we can help you.
[08:09] <rabeldable> CaptainMorgan: login and run: more /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[08:09] <CaptainMorgan> uhm.. I would, but I can't run xchat from the command line.
[08:09] <Chousuke> use irssi
[08:09] <Razor-X> CaptainMorgan: but you can run irssi
[08:09] <benplaut> _jason: yup
[08:09] <benplaut> brb, i need to test a few things
[08:09] <Chousuke> you can /connect to servers with irssi :)
[08:09] <ash_> CaptainMorgan: the same thing happened to me when I upgraded to breezy... turned out kdm had been removed completely. simple apt-get install kdm did the trick... but that was kubuntu
[08:09] <CaptainMorgan> that allI need is the command <irssi> ?
[08:10] <Chousuke> and then you need to connect to freenode.
[08:10] <eobanb> sattlerium, i'm not sure
[08:10] <eobanb> i think so, i'd check though
[08:10] <benplaut> _jason: ok, working now
[08:10] <benplaut> the gpg key failed the first time, i think
[08:10] <_jason> benplaut, okay, you got ssh up and runnning already?
[08:11] <benplaut> _jason: not yet, going by the wiki
[08:11] <Chousuke> CaptainMorgan: in irssi just type /connect irc.freenode.org and after connected, /join #ubuntu :)
[08:11] <_jason> benplaut, okay, I guess it may just pull in ssh with it.  I had it setup beforehand
[08:12] <Chousuke> CaptainMorgan: but if you're running kubuntu, try sudo apt-get install kdm first
[08:12] <Dido-> irc.freenode.net ?
[08:12] <ash_> Chousuke: is irssi a standard install in ubuntu? I'm pretty sure I had to apt-get it...
[08:12] <Chousuke> is it .net?
[08:12] <Chousuke> ash_: right.
[08:12] <Chousuke> well, sudo apt-get install irssi-text
[08:12] <benplaut> _jason: i'm out for a few mins, but the repo still isn't working... i'll figure out why in a few minutes
[08:13] <Chousuke> and: sudo /etc/init.d/kdm start will start KDM if it's not installed after all.
[08:13] <Chousuke> after installing it of course
[08:14] <ash_> Chousuke: I was scratching my head over that one for a while. Still not sure why it removed kdm when upgrading. Of course, some would argue that removing a gui login *is* an upgrade... ;)
[08:14] <Chousuke> ash_: meh.
[08:14] <CaptainMorgan> aiet... wrote down most of the commands.. Ill give it shot.. thanks
[08:14] <Chousuke> good luck
[08:14] <CaptainMorgan> ash - Im more of 50/50 guy
[08:14] <Chousuke> heh
[08:14] <Chousuke> xdm ftw.
[08:14] <_jason> benplaut, k, good luck
[08:14] <CaptainMorgan> too much of one can be not good :/
[08:15] <CaptainMorgan> alright, brb
[08:15] <thundr> after I added myself to a  "burning" group and changed everything in k3bsetup with no errors, I started k3b again as myself and it says it can't find cdrecord or cdrdao.  Any ideas?
[08:15] <Seveas> benplaut, it should be - what's the error?
[08:18] <z0rz> Where's DocumentRoot in apache2?
[08:18] <DShepherd> hey
[08:18] <thundr> hey
[08:19] <Seveas> z0rz, wherever you want (/var/www by default)
[08:19] <z0rz> no I mean.. where do I specify it?
[08:19] <Pedrolito> How do I add the dapper repo?
[08:19] <eobanb> in your httpd.conf
[08:19] <eobanb> i think it's in /etc/
[08:19] <frogzoo> z0rz: /var/www
[08:19] <z0rz> I want to specify a new DocumentRoot
[08:19] <frogzoo> z0rz: but there also a per user default
[08:20] <z0rz> How can I do so in apache2
[08:20] <z0rz> I don't want a per user I don't htink
[08:20] <frogzoo> z0rz: locate httpd.conf
[08:20] <Seveas> z0rz, /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/
[08:20] <Seveas> frogzoo, that's deprecated
[08:20] <z0rz> yeah frogzoo that's 1.3
[08:20] <frogzoo> Seveas: uh oh - showing my age
[08:21] <benplaut> Seveas: it's 404ing on me
[08:21] <mkyb14> exit
[08:21] <z0rz> Seveas what do I type in that?
[08:21] <mkyb14> quit
[08:21] <mkyb14> ah
[08:21] <z0rz> It doesn't have any examples
[08:21] <z0rz> nm I figured it out
[08:22] <Seveas> benplaut, hmm
[08:22] <benplaut> Failed to fetch http://seveas.ubuntulinux.nl/dists/breezy-seveas/freenx/binary-i 386/Packages.gz  404 Not Found
[08:22] <Seveas> ah right
[08:22] <DShepherd> for some games the sound just doesnt work. How can I fix this
[08:22] <DShepherd> !sound
[08:22] <ubotflu> hmm... sound is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingSoundProblems or http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoundProblemsHoary
[08:22] <benplaut> Seveas: i did the pgp key
[08:22] <Seveas> s/breezy/ubuntu/
[08:22] <benplaut> err
[08:22] <benplaut> gpg
[08:22] <Seveas> benplaut, retry please
[08:22] <benplaut> k
[08:23] <DShepherd> for some games the sound just doesnt work. How can I fix this?
[08:24] <thundr> after I added myself to a  "burning" group and changed everything in k3bsetup with no errors, I started k3b again as myself and it says it can't find cdrecord or cdrdao.  Any ideas?
[08:24] <benplaut> Seveas: btw, gpg only works as su/sudo... is that normal?
[08:24] <Seveas> benplaut, only if you used sudo the first time you used gpg
[08:25] <benplaut> Seveas: no clue... does it make any difference?
[08:25] <Seveas> benplaut, to remedy this: sudo rm ~/.gnupg/ and don't do sudo gpg anymore :)
[08:25] <benplaut> k
[08:27] <Seveas> benplaut, I'm afk again for probably a long time, feel free to /msg me when you still have problems
[08:27] <benplaut> ok, all working :D
[08:28] <gnu2it2> what is th APT LINE to add a custom repository so i can install libdvdcss and win32codecs to breezy with synaptic?
[08:28] <benplaut> !w32codecs
[08:28] <ubotflu> [w32codecs]  a compilation of binary win32 A/V codecs for many popular proprietary formats not currently supported by free implementations under linux. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats#head-fda9cc5147253891fe3047263b82d787ab025bba to install
[08:28] <eobanb> gnu2it2, it's in the faq
[08:28] <thundr> that's a nice memorable link.
[08:29] <thundr> okay, if no one can help me with that...is there a way to find the keymap for "shift+tab" and remap the insert key as that?
[08:31] <benplaut> _jason: ok, everything *should* be configured, and the client works... how do i turn on the server?
[08:31] <_jason> benplaut, should be on
[08:32] <_jason> benplaut, install the client and try to login to it
[08:32] <benplaut> _jason: so it is always on, as a background process?
[08:33] <_jason> benplaut, yep
[08:33] <londonboi2k3> Hi guys, what is the packege name for emacs? not the gui one but the one I can use in the shell?
[08:33] <benplaut> _jason: what would the hostname be? an IP adress?
[08:33] <_jason> benplaut, yeah
[08:34] <benplaut> _jason: and do i have to use the nxclient to connect, or would another client work?
[08:35] <_jason> benplaut, nomachine.org  I think there is a way to set it up to work as a webpage but I'm not sure and haven't looked into it
[08:35] <benplaut> k
[08:37] <ra21vi> hi, i m using Ubuntu 5.10 and I want to get developemtn libs for programming
[08:37] <erik__> hello how can i change DHCP3 from eth0 to eth3 ?
[08:37] <ra21vi> i got anjuta/gcc4/glade2
[08:37] <ra21vi> but I am having problem with making project
[08:38] <ra21vi> any c/c++ developer here, please its urgent
[08:39] <benplaut> well //that's// not going to work :P
[08:39] <thundr> ra21vi, you may also want to try #debian or #debian_
[08:40] <erik__> change your sources.list do an apt-get update and look for the right programs ra21vi
[08:41] <benplaut> _jason: the way it //should work is i install identical setups on each machine, then tell my grandmother to email me her ip, from whatsmyip.com, for example, then put that into the config?
[08:41] <ra21vi> thundr: ok :)
[08:42] <thundr> I don't know how friendly the #debian folks will be, though :)
[08:42] <erik__> hello how can i change DHCP3 from eth0 to eth3 ?
[08:42] <_jason> benplaut, you would want tour grandmother's computer to have the server installed.  Then once you get the ip, you can use the client on your machine.
[08:42] <ra21vi> thundr: but i remember the aggressive talk of debian sitters last time... they arent polite...
[08:42] <erik__> anybody ?
[08:42] <StarKruzr> Bueller?
[08:43] <thundr> ra21vi, yeah, I had the same experience.  I was just trying to get you the quickest answer without knowing anything myself.
[08:43] <xspades> erik__  tried replacing to eth3 in /etc/network/interfaces?
[08:43] <benplaut> _jason: and it makes sense that trying to go into my own machine wouldn't work? i'm trying to test this, but it may not be working because of that
[08:44] <ra21vi> thundr: they fire at getting reference to UBUNTU... they say Ubuntu isn't Debian
[08:44] <_jason> benplaut, it should work, I did it myself to test it.  You should make sure you can ssh into it first.  Do you have a firewall blocking port 22?
[08:45] <benplaut> _jason: i'm using port 8888, i'll check that it's open
[08:45] <thundr> ra21vi, yes, you may want not to mention Ubuntu there.  Just say it's debian.
[08:48] <erik__> xspades, i'll look for it
[08:49] <xspades> it should be the last line or so
[08:49] <Razor-X> I'm going to have to ask again how using a larger WM is more productive, but, eh
[08:49] <Razor-X> :P
[08:50] <erik__> found it .................   editttt
[08:50] <Toma-> Razor-X: youre a resource junky?
[08:50] <Toma-> :D
[08:51] <Razor-X> errr
[08:51] <Razor-X> god, wrong channel
[08:51] <Razor-X> :P
[08:52] <CaptainMorgan> lost my gui after upgrading to Breezy... any suggestions ?
[08:52] <benplaut> !xserver
[08:52] <ubotflu> parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, benplaut
[08:52] <CaptainMorgan> !xserver ?
[08:52] <ubotflu> CaptainMorgan: Syntax error in line 1
[08:52] <benplaut> !reconfigure-xserver
[08:52] <ubotflu> benplaut: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[08:52] <benplaut> damn you, ubotu
[08:52] <xspades> benplaut what are you trying to do?
[08:52] <CaptainMorgan> ubotflu syntax error ?
[08:52] <ubotflu> CaptainMorgan: Did you get hit by a windmill?
[08:52] <Razor-X> CaptainMorgan: you can try to ``sudo aptitude reinstall xserver-xorg'' if a reconfigure doesen't work
[08:53] <benplaut> CaptainMorgan: try typing this into the terminal: "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"
[08:53] <benplaut> CaptainMorgan: ubotu is the bot that lets me not type stuff like that^^ :P
[08:53] <benplaut> _jason: the error log:NX> 203 NXSSH running with pid: 8630
[08:53] <benplaut> NX> 285 Enabling check on switch command
[08:53] <benplaut> NX> 285 Enabling skip of SSH config files
[08:53] <benplaut> make any sense?
[08:54] <erik__> Xspades   it's not there in interfaces
[08:54] <CaptainMorgan> ben I couldn't get irssi to work, so I don't have to run back forth between linux/win
[08:55] <cafuego> AIYEE!
[08:55] <cafuego> Which Gnome component is directly responsible for loading and displaying theme images?
[08:55] <benplaut> CaptainMorgan: in english? your sentence conflicts with itselg...
[08:55] <CaptainMorgan> ?
[08:55] <benplaut> cafuego: i'm guessing it's with gkt
[08:55] <CaptainMorgan> irssi - chat  so  I don' thave to run back and forth to win
[08:56] <CaptainMorgan> IM in win right now
[08:56] <cafuego> benplaut: Yeh, but which bit...
[08:56] <xspades> erik__ if your eth3 is configured, put 'iface eth3 inet dhcp' into the /etc/network/interfaces file and comment out the old line
[08:56] <benplaut> CaptainMorgan: so irssi //is// working
[08:56] <CaptainMorgan> huh?
[08:56] <CaptainMorgan> no it' snot
[08:56] <benplaut> cafuego: let's say that #gtk+ is a junk channel
[08:56] <CaptainMorgan> or maybe it does.. but ic an't connect to freenode
[08:56] <benplaut> CaptainMorgan: so you //are// haveing to switch back and forth to linux and windows
[08:57] <CaptainMorgan> yes
[08:57] <cafuego> stuff it, I'll just re-reinstall
[08:57] <CaptainMorgan> ill try those commmands.. but it's a pain to run there and have them ont work..
[08:57] <CaptainMorgan> not
[08:57] <erik__> hello how can i change DHCP3 from eth0 to eth3 ?
[08:57] <erik__> anybody ?
[08:57] <CaptainMorgan> and then run back
[08:58] <thundr> ra21vi, you've tried "sudo apt-get install anjuta gcc4 kdevelop qt-designer"
[08:59] <CaptainMorgan> help ?
[08:59] <CaptainMorgan> this is trouble... I primarily work in linux, but now Im screwed
[09:00] <thundr> let me read it, just a second
[09:00] <benplaut> CaptainMorgan: try the command above^^
[09:00] <eobanb> whats the problem?
[09:00] <benplaut> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[09:00] <CaptainMorgan> will ben.. but wouldn't mind a few more commands to try... PIA to run back and forht
[09:01] <benplaut> CaptainMorgan: if that one doesn't work, then it's probably more trouble to fix the xserver than to reinstall... but that one fixes a broken xserver 99.9% of the time
[09:01] <Pedrolito> Maybe it's not really an ubuntu question, but I installed ubuntu on a new partition, and I would like to get back to fedora. I kept all my fedora partitions, including the boot partition. Ubuntu set up my computer to boot on its partition. How do I get back to booting from my old boot partition?
[09:02] <Razor-X> CaptainMorgan: try a reconfigure: ``sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg''
[09:02] <CaptainMorgan> alright, Ill try it.. you gonna be here for a bit?
[09:02] <Razor-X> CaptainMorgan: if I'm not here, others should be able to help just as well :)
[09:02] <CaptainMorgan> how do I back up on Linux to cd if I have to reinstall ?
[09:02] <Razor-X> (like benplaut)
[09:03] <Chousuke> CaptainMorgan: no need for re-installs
[09:03] <Chousuke> how did irssi fail?
[09:03] <CaptainMorgan> wouldn't connect to freenode
[09:03] <benplaut> Razor-X: the extent of my knowledge on xserver is that command :P
[09:03] <Chousuke> maybe the address was wrong
[09:03] <CaptainMorgan> irc.freenode.net ?
[09:03] <CaptainMorgan> nope.. that's the one
[09:03] <eobanb> does the machine have an internet connection?
[09:03] <Chousuke> what did it say?
[09:03] <Razor-X> benplaut: every faithful Ubuntian (Ubuntite, whatever) knows that like a mnemonic :)
[09:03] <eobanb> e.g. can you ping google.com?
[09:03] <CaptainMorgan> yes eo
[09:04] <Chousuke>  irc.eu.freenode.net <- that's one
[09:04] <CaptainMorgan> error - connection <blah blah... wouldn't connect or soemthing >
[09:04] <juchipilo> I don't like to use sudo... how would i find out the root password in my ubuntu system
[09:04] <Chousuke> apparently there is no irc.freenode.org :/
[09:04] <CaptainMorgan> irc.eu* ?
[09:04] <Razor-X> juchipilo: there is none
[09:04] <eobanb> juchipilo, there isnt one
[09:04] <xspades> sudo passwd set one, then su or sudo -s
[09:04] <CaptainMorgan> will try to ping google eo
[09:04] <juchipilo> ok..thanks
[09:04] <benplaut> Razor-X: aye
[09:05] <CaptainMorgan> alright... brb :)
[09:05] <Chousuke> hope he also tries to connect to irc.eu.freenode.net :P
[09:06] <thundr> ra21vi, check in #debian_ as well.  It's small, but they're friendly there.
[09:07] <juchipilo> xspades: it doesn't seem to work..
[09:08] <xspades> what are you trying to do with root?
[09:08] <xspades> like login to gdm with it?
[09:09] <juchipilo> nothing right now.. i just hate having to use sudo. I'm used to become root and do what i need to do and then exit
[09:09] <xspades> sudo -s will get you root in a shell
[09:10] <juchipilo> i know.. but it's just the fact that i don't like sudo
[09:10] <xspades> well one sudo wont kill you
[09:10] <xspades> i open one up, sudo -s and leave it open for when needed
[09:10] <juchipilo> i just hate that.
[09:11] <juchipilo> it looks 'dirty' to my eyes
[09:11] <juchipilo> having to type sudo on every command i need to run doesn't seem right to me
[09:12] <Chousuke> but you don't have to. :P
[09:12] <eobanb> thats the price of security.
[09:12] <xspades> juchipilo edit your shortcut for terminal to run sudo -s on startup so you are greeted with root right away
[09:12] <juchipilo> so that's why I want to know how to be able to become root
[09:12] <Chousuke> sudo -i
[09:12] <Chousuke> you're root
[09:12] <eobanb> sudo bash....you're root also
[09:12] <eobanb> how is this a big deal in any way
[09:12] <Chousuke> I think -i is better.
[09:13] <Chousuke> it loads root's evironment and all. or was that -s?
[09:13] <benplaut> _jason: you there?
[09:13] <juchipilo> sudo -i asks me for the password
[09:13] <eobanb> well duh...
[09:13] <Chousuke> of course it does
[09:13] <_jason> benplaut, yep
[09:13] <xspades> if you hate entering the pass, edit suderos to stop asking you for it
[09:13] <juchipilo> if i knew the password then i wouldn't have the problem
[09:13] <Chousuke> it's yours
[09:13] <Chousuke> your normal user's pass.
[09:13] <benplaut> _jason: it's timeing out and the log isn't reporting anything wrong... any ideas?
[09:13] <Chousuke> your normal user is the admin
[09:14] <_jason> benplaut, are you sure the port is open?
[09:14] <juchipilo> oh. ok. i see
[09:14] <juchipilo> now i'm root
[09:14] <Chousuke> He's the superuser, but you elevate your rights only  when necessary
[09:14] <juchipilo> and now I can edit the root password
[09:14] <benplaut> _jason: i haven't installed a firewall on the computer, and the router has it open
[09:14] <Chousuke> I don't recommend that though. :/
[09:14] <juchipilo> why not
[09:15] <eobanb> i dont know, i feel like if you have to ask how to enable a root password, you have no business doing it in the first place
[09:15] <hajiki> Is there a program to do batch conversion from SVG to PNG?
[09:15] <Chousuke> besides remembering two passwords isn't good at all
[09:15] <Chousuke> or rather, it's just bothersome ;p
[09:16] <juchipilo> eobanb. this isssue is not present in other distros... that's why i had to ask
[09:16] <_jason> benplaut, try to ssh into your machine and see if it works: ssh benplaut@my.ip
[09:17] <benplaut> _jason: just hangs there...
[09:17] <Chousuke> juchipilo: It's not an "issue"
[09:17] <benplaut> i'm out for the night, i'll mess with this more in the morning
[09:17] <Chousuke> in the negative sense at least :/
[09:17] <hajiki> Is there a program to do batch conversion from SVG to PNG?
[09:17] <juchipilo> yes.. to me it is
[09:17] <Chousuke> It's a Ubuntu design decision
[09:17] <Chousuke> and I think it's correct.
[09:18] <Chousuke> I moved to sudo in Debian right after discovering it... it's just so much more conveninet to me than a root account :)
[09:18] <Chousuke> especially with a few select commands defined with NOPASSWD:
[09:18] <juchipilo> it should be the user's decision
[09:18] <Chousuke> juchipilo: no.
[09:19] <lexhider> I know that if you play with dapper, expect to get burned. When I upgrade everything works except internet access, is this to be expected???
[09:19] <Chousuke> generic users have no clue about it
[09:19] <_jason> benplaut, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=97277&highlight=freenx+setup might help you.  Also, I have my ssh setup to accept passwords and not require ssh keys so I don't know if that is part of the problem.
[09:19] <juchipilo> and in my case i decide that i become root to do my admin tasks and then exit
[09:19] <eobanb> thats what sudo is for......
[09:19] <Chousuke> yes.
[09:19] <Chousuke> you use sudo to become root instead of logging in as root.
[09:19] <Chousuke> it's the same thing, just a different method.
[09:20] <juchipilo> i know that i sound stubborn. but that's how i prefer to do things
[09:20] <juchipilo> i've done it in other distros and never had a problem
[09:20] <Chousuke> well, no-one's stopping you.
[09:20] <eobanb> welcome back cc..
[09:20] <cc> ty
[09:20] <Chousuke> it takes one command to enable rot.
[09:20] <Chousuke> root*
[09:20] <juchipilo> yeah. and thanks for helpping me
[09:22] <cc> i would just love to know how to change file systems so i can reinstall windows
[09:22] <eobanb> you mean re-partition?
[09:23] <eobanb> you should be able to allot space for windows with gparted
[09:24] <ompaul> !tell juchipilo about rootsudo
[09:24] <ompaul> juchipilo, you can see all sorts of stuff on that link the bot sent you
[09:25] <vbgunz> I have an interesting question. On Windows, when I had a folder I felt was top priority, I would prefix it with a !. When I did this, those folders would always sort to the top in alphabetical order... How do I do this on Ubuntu?
[09:26] <eobanb> vbgunz, i suppose you could basically do the same thing on ubuntu.
[09:26] <xspades> put a 0 at the beginning?
[09:26] <eobanb> yeah, something like that.
[09:27] <eobanb> just dont mess with important directories.
[09:27] <vbgunz> eobanb: unfortunately I cannot... I can prefix a folder with ! or @ but when folders are sorted in alphabetical order, those prefixes are ignored :(
[09:27] <_jason> vbgunz, how about aaaaaa
[09:27] <eobanb> lol
[09:28] <vbgunz> _jason: yeah, am doing that now, but don't like it... Maybe there is something else I can use?
[09:28] <CaptainMorgan> that didn't work
[09:29] <CaptainMorgan> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[09:29] <CaptainMorgan> got to about the sync test... then it kicked me back to the command line
[09:29] <_jason> vbgunz, how about the 0 that xspades suggested?
[09:29] <CaptainMorgan> I rebooted and nothing
[09:29] <CaptainMorgan> irssi says ( connection timed out )
[09:29] <CaptainMorgan> tried irc.eu.freenode.net
[09:30] <vbgunz> _jason: numbers and letters work... was just trying to use a symbol instead... It's a quirk I have :P
[09:30] <_jason> vbgunz, ah
[09:30] <redguy|work> vbgunz: how about _ ?
[09:30] <CaptainMorgan> what a freakin pain in the ass for this shit
[09:30] <xspades> well i think linux ignores symbol, like .icons will be same order as regular icons
[09:30] <vbgunz> redguy|work: I think I tried that...
[09:30] <xspades> just hidden
[09:30] <eobanb> CaptainMorgan's xorg is broken?
[09:30] <CaptainMorgan> why would it be/
[09:30] <CaptainMorgan> ?
[09:30] <CaptainMorgan> I just upgraded to breezy..
[09:31] <CaptainMorgan> what the hell is cauzing the the bproblem?
[09:31] <eobanb> oh, uh.....you just said something about 'got to the sync test then it kicked me back to the command line'?
[09:31] <CaptainMorgan> any way I can revert back to hoary
[09:31] <CaptainMorgan> ?
[09:31] <eobanb> i thought you meant that xorg wasnt working.
[09:31] <redguy|work> CaptainMorgan: what video board do you have?
[09:31] <vbgunz> its' cool... no biggie, I'll just use  @0_ or something
[09:31] <insomnd> hi. is there a way to set a desktop background left (instead of centred) in gnome?
[09:32] <CaptainMorgan> well I got to, I forget, a list of numbers. 1 throuh 24... so much shit I forget what it was exactly, pic a sync or something.. I did and it kicked me
[09:32] <haag_> wOw
[09:32] <haag_> :D
[09:32] <CaptainMorgan> video board? uhmm.. ati- something something
[09:32] <eobanb> CaptainMorgan, dont do advanced, do medium
[09:33] <CaptainMorgan> I did simple
[09:33] <munzir> hi sirs! I want to use adept so I logged as root and launched it. It said it would open as read only and I have to be root. On the terminal I see the message: Session management error: Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed
[09:33] <munzir> kapture::PkgSystem::PkgSystem()
[09:33] <CaptainMorgan> i first tried advanced, then I did simple
[09:33] <eobanb> oh, 1-24, that would be colour depth then
[09:33] <munzir> what's wrong please?
[09:33] <eobanb> adept?
[09:33] <CaptainMorgan> adept?
[09:33] <eobanb> does he mean apt-get
[09:34] <redguy|work> munzir: you didn't have to log in as root.
[09:34] <CaptainMorgan> right, color depth sounds right.. I picked 24 and it kicked me
[09:34] <CaptainMorgan> I tried again, and it kicked me a gain
[09:34] <redguy|work> eobanb: adept is a apt front-end forKDE
[09:34] <eobanb> oh, good to know.
[09:34] <eobanb> i dont use kde at all.
[09:35] <eobanb> munzir, does kynaptic work?
[09:35] <CaptainMorgan> omg.. what do I do about the gui???
[09:35] <eobanb> well what does /var/log/xorg.0.log say
[09:35] <eobanb> er, Xorg.0.log
[09:35] <CaptainMorgan> how do I know? I can't just cut and paste it to you
[09:35] <redguy|work> munzir: whaqt's wrong with running adept with your regular user?
[09:36] <redguy|work> !tell CaptainMorgan about pastebin
[09:36] <CaptainMorgan> pastebiN???
[09:36] <CaptainMorgan> on the command line?
[09:36] <redguy|work> huh? ubotu changed nick?
[09:37] <redguy|work> CaptainMorgan: hmmm, you could try it in lynx...
[09:37] <eobanb> no, CaptainMorgan, pastebin is how users paste large chunks of text that would flood the channel
[09:37] <CaptainMorgan> omg, I know what pastebin is.. I can't use it at the command line if I can't open a browser!
[09:37] <bimberi> !pastebin cli
[09:37] <CaptainMorgan> omg
[09:37] <eobanb> calm down..
[09:37] <CaptainMorgan> sorry, but I do 90 % of my work in Linux and now I can't access any of it..
[09:38] <eobanb> cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | less
[09:38] <CaptainMorgan> because of a freakin upgrade!? no loess
[09:38] <eobanb> and look for lines that start with EE
[09:38] <eobanb> CaptainMorgan, do you understand?
[09:38] <CaptainMorgan> nno
[09:38] <shivy> hya
[09:38] <CaptainMorgan> what do I do when I find them ?
[09:38] <eobanb> tell me what they say?
[09:39] <CaptainMorgan> are you serious? how?
[09:39] <CaptainMorgan> Im in Win
[09:39] <CaptainMorgan> right now
[09:39] <eobanb> oh, you're dual-booting?
[09:39] <CaptainMorgan> ye
[09:39] <redguy|work> CaptainMorgan: look what grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log says
[09:39] <CaptainMorgan> redguy - read above
[09:39] <eobanb> okay, calm down please, i don't know what your setup is
[09:39] <redguy|work> CaptainMorgan: I see
[09:39] <eobanb> do you have a second computer?
[09:40] <CaptainMorgan> yes. but that's a PIA...
[09:40] <CaptainMorgan> i guess it's my only choice ?
[09:40] <eobanb> listen, if you can get onto IRC with another computer, then we can start fixing the problem
[09:40] <xspades> it would be easyer than reboot into windows all the time
[09:40] <eobanb> until then, if you're going to refuse to boot into ubuntu then i cant do anything
[09:40] <eobanb> if you dont have another computer, you can always write down what the log says and boot back into windows and type it
[09:41] <eobanb> or you can try to get irssi to work
[09:41] <CaptainMorgan> booting into ubuntu isn't the problem.. it's getting there.. .then the commands I recieve from helpful folks putting in an effort don't work and then it's only more time wasted...
[09:41] <insomnd> is there somewhere i can get a collection of high quality ICONS?
[09:41] <CaptainMorgan> irssi won't wonnet
[09:41] <redguy|work> CaptainMorgan: not really you, can try irssi or bitchx
[09:41] <thundr> eobanb, could he use links or something similar to put the log up?
[09:41] <eobanb> well can anything else connect to the internet, CaptainMorgan
[09:41] <shivy> Im having some problems with my SCREEM, i cant save directly in /var/www .. could i make a link from my home dir to my var www . So That everythin I edit in for exmple /home/index.htm becomes directly seeable in /var/www ??  ???
[09:42] <eobanb> !ln
[09:42] <ubotflu> ln is a link. For a symbolic link, do: ln -s <target> <link_name>
[09:43] <CaptainMorgan> im in the process of getting the other comp up an running... brb
[09:43] <shivy> ubotflu..so i need to do ' ln -s /home/user/index.htm /var/www   ?
[09:43] <insomnd> !ubotflu
[09:43] <ubotflu> insomnd: I haven't a clue
[09:43] <quacker> CaptainMorgan, you need to calm down and focus or walk away and focus later.  Please, eobanb if being very patients and IF YOU COOPERATE can probably do sereral things to help.  The calmer and more focused on actual problem -soving that you are...  <wink>
[09:44] <shivy> from which side should i do that
[09:44] <shivy> or would either side work ?
[09:44] <CaptainMorgan> already moved on quack, but thanks.. please read above
[09:45] <munzir> redguy|work, with normal user the same error message
[09:45] <munzir> eobanb, I don't about kynaptic,,,,,,, let me check ...
[09:47] <[1] Captain> k.. in from the other comp... not bad as I thought... had to do some quick installs... main computer is rebooting to linux now...
[09:48] <quacker> Tis sounds good
[09:49] <quacker> err 'this...'
[09:49] <munzir> redguy|work, eobanb: kynaptic still says I had to be root!
[09:51] <thundr> munzir, yes, you have to use sudo
[09:51] <[1] Captain> k..
[09:51] <xfree> [4295248.920000]  You need some storage available to be able to suspend.
[09:51] <xfree>  ,how can i fix this ?
[09:51] <[1] Captain> im in
[09:51] <ale3hs> hello, when I try to do MMS streaming with xmms, I get this -->Gtk-WARNING **: Unable to locate loadable module in module_path: "libsmooth.so", Message: device: default
[09:51] <ale3hs> : and I cannot open mms links with xmms.. I checked in some forums but I could find a solution.. can anyone help?
[09:51] <Nerened> Will someone here share in my joy?
[09:51] <[1] Captain> now... what was that file you want to see ?
[09:51] <thundr> xfree, it sounds like you're running low on space.
[09:52] <Nerened> E16 running on Xubuntu! Finally!
[09:52] <munzir> thundr, it says: Error: "/tmp/ksocket-munzir" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0.
[09:52] <xfree> thundr, how can i know how mutch this 'suspend' need of space ?
[09:53] <thundr> how much space do you have on your drive?
[09:53] <[1] Captain> uh... Xorg.0.log is pretty large.. what do you want to know
[09:53] <[1] Captain> ?
[09:53] <munzir> thundr, /dev/hda7             5.5G  2.2G  3.1G  42% /
[09:53] <bolrod> Xorg takes up at least 1cm2 I guess
[09:53] <munzir> thundr, iceauth:  timeout in locking authority file /home/munzir/.ICEauthority
[09:53] <munzir> kdeinit: DCOPServer could not be started, aborting.
[09:54] <[1] Captain> 1cm2 ?
[09:54] <[1] Captain> what's that?
[09:55] <thundr> sorry munzir , that was directed at xfree
[09:55] <[1] Captain> nothing with (EE)
[09:55] <[1] Captain> mostly (WW) or (II)
[09:56] <munzir> thundr, ok I will try to figure it out then !
[09:57] <thundr> munzir, I'm sorry, it's too late and I can't even read the screen anymore.  Try #kubuntu or #debian_ if there's no one here
[09:58] <munzir> thundr, thanks a lot for your nice help
[09:58] <thundr> munzir, sorry I couldn't help more.
[09:58] <thundr> munzir, but you're welcome
[09:59] <[1] Captain> after running xserver- reconfig.. why at PLease select your desired default color depth in bits selction. I choose 24 and then it kicks me to the command line... why ?
[10:00] <[1] Captain> sayz xserver-xorg postinst warning: overwriting possibly-customized configuration file... backup in .....
[10:02] <[1] Captain> gray!
[10:02] <[1] Captain> I neeed help amigo!
[10:02] <[1] Captain> :)
[10:03] <cafuego> !test
[10:03] <ubotflu> Passed.
[10:03] <[1] Captain> 617 users.. anyone here ?
[10:03] <ardchoille> is there a wish list for Ubuntu 5.10?
[10:03] <spacey> ardchoille, 5.10 is already released/
[10:03] <cafuego> ardchoille: it has been released, a wishlist would be useless.
[10:03] <ardchoille> well, yeah.. what was I thinking
[10:04] <cafuego> ardchoille: You cna file wishlist bugs against any package at any time.
[10:04] <ardchoille> I guess I was thinking of a list of apps that people want to see in the next version
[10:04] <spacey> ardchoille, you can find it in the wiki
[10:04] <GTroy_> how do I edit my /etc/fstab to mount my 2nd ext3 hard drive? anyone...anyone?
[10:04] <cafuego> ardchoille: That's handled via 'popularity-contest'
[10:05] <spacey> universecandidates
[10:05] <spacey> for example
[10:05] <ardchoille> spacey, cafuego: thank
[10:05] <ardchoille> s
[10:06] <[1] Captain> hello ?
[10:06] <UniXoiDe> hi all
[10:06] <phil_> mogus up late o what
[10:07] <phil_> rappin the nine count on tookie williams
[10:07] <shivy> ok I made an index.html .. I put it in /var/www .. and still it doesnt show
[10:07] <phil_> merderous
[10:07] <shivy> Keeps on saying that I have no permission
[10:08] <cafuego> shivy: Well then
[10:08] <rob_p> GTroy_:  Do, "sudo cp /etc/fstab /etc/fstab_bak" and then, "sudo gedit /etc/fstab" and it'll open up in a text editor for you to edit.
[10:08] <UniXoiDe> I want install edubuntu in primery scool, but I have a broblem with goverment, how/where can I obtain licence of EDUBUNTU ?
[10:08] <cafuego> UniXoiDe: Edubuntu is FREE.
[10:08] <cafuego> UniXoiDe: no licenses are required.
[10:08] <phil_> license is FSF isn't it?
[10:09] <UniXoiDe> yep
[10:09] <cafuego> Oh, you want a copy for the accountants to look at? ;-)
[10:09] <UniXoiDe> certificate to indicate that is free software
[10:09] <UniXoiDe> GNU/GPL
[10:10] <phil_> FSF means your students already have a license and you don't have to pay anyone at all ... the people who wrote it, wrote it for your students, no exceptions.
[10:10] <cafuego> UniXoiDe: There is no such certificate; the boot screen states as muich, though.
[10:10] <UniXoiDe> the goverment impose some papers to process with that distro
[10:10] <cafuego> UniXoiDe: And a copy of the GPL will be on the cd.
[10:10] <cafuego> UniXoiDe: just download the GPL, print it...
[10:11] <UniXoiDe> hmm
[10:11] <UniXoiDe> I c
[10:11] <phil_> what's this government shite?
[10:11] <phil_> I mean rigamarolle?
[10:11] <UniXoiDe> i dont understand
[10:12] <UniXoiDe> can u explain to me plz
[10:12] <phil_> who's telling you that you can't run UBUNTU
[10:12] <phil_> ???
[10:13] <UniXoiDe> ah, they impose that all products are on licence or certificate
[10:13] <cafuego> UniXoiDe: Print this: http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/gpl.html
[10:13] <cafuego> UniXoiDe: make a pretty certificate for it if you want to ;-)
[10:13] <_Gray_> UniXoiDe: just give them a paper with the ubuntu website and tell em to look it up lol
[10:13] <phil_> There _IS_ a license ... it's the GPL or general public license, whic hI believe passes very strict legal standards and will easily satisfy your stooges needs.
[10:14] <UniXoiDe> I know, but hopes that the goverment understand that
[10:14] <rob_p> shivy:  Is your index.html document readable by the user under which apache runs?  If not, do, "sudo chmod 644 /var/www/index.html" to make it so.
[10:14] <CaptainMorgan> im in linux.. and on a second a computer...
[10:14] <UniXoiDe> we are still suffring with ms
[10:14] <CaptainMorgan> any suggestions ?
[10:14] <CaptainMorgan> Xorg is huge
[10:14] <CaptainMorgan> what is it you need ?
[10:14] <phil_> CaptainMorgan you mean Xorg is ENgorged?
[10:15] <CaptainMorgan> ?
[10:15] <CaptainMorgan> engorged?'
[10:16] <phil_> bad rum drinking bar joke, inappropriate, sorry.
[10:16] <vbgunz> I think the samba howto on the wiki is old... Seriously. I am trying to shares a directory with a Windows PC and am in trouble... Windows doesn't see it :( The part on the wiki I am stuck at is it is telling me to *tick enable Windows networking*... That option is not in the networking > general tab :(
[10:16] <CaptainMorgan> I tried to reconfigure xserver ad it kicked me
[10:17] <phil_> How active is UBUNTU development?  Is it just a consumer version of DEBIAN???
[10:18] <lllmanulll> phil_: nope, Ubuntu development is very active indeed
[10:18] <CaptainMorgan> help!?
[10:18] <phil_> CaptainMorgan are you drowning?
[10:18] <lllmanulll> And lots of greate stuff are forwarded upstream to Debian
[10:18] <phil_> lllmanulll what do you mean by forwarded upstream?
[10:19] <CaptainMorgan> yes
[10:19] <CaptainMorgan> I am
[10:19] <CaptainMorgan> I can't get linux's gui back
[10:19] <CaptainMorgan> after upgrading to breezy
[10:19] <phil_> please, never get out of the boat.
[10:19] <CaptainMorgan> wtf
[10:19] <phil_> run some SARGE release, quite a stable linux.
[10:20] <CaptainMorgan> wtf
[10:20] <CaptainMorgan> can't I revert back to hoary ???
[10:20] <lllmanulll> phil_: Well Debian --> Ubuntu is some kind of stream, isn't it ? :)
[10:20] <phil_> World Tranny Federation
[10:21] <phil_> Yeah, but usually the splinters don't give much back to the original distro, huh?
[10:21] <redguy|work> phil_: that is not quite true for ubuntu
[10:22] <CaptainMorgan> how do I get x or gui back ?
[10:22] <phil_> redguy|work ... for example?  Willing to listen, but?
[10:22] <ulle> how do I change from root to non-root user?
[10:22] <lllmanulll> phil_: numerous example :)
[10:22] <phil_> CaptainMorgan, what's your hardware, weird or pretty serious?
[10:23] <redguy|work> phil_: lots of examples, google to find them :-)
[10:23] <phil_> ulle use exit in your console/shell/bash
[10:23] <phil_> so debian is better because of ubuntu?
[10:24] <lllmanulll> phil_: We could say that, yeah :)
[10:24] <shivy> FInally I did it ... to own and make /var/www writable, ' chmod 775 www' and 'chown root.user www'
[10:24] <redguy|work> phil_: not sure that debian people agree in general
[10:24] <lllmanulll> But of course a lot of work is done by Debian developers themselves, needless to say
[10:24] <phil_> I like ubuntu.  I roll with it--I recommend it.  But Debian, Debian is tip top.
[10:24] <shivy> :)
[10:24] <bimberi> ubotflu tell phil_ about relationship
[10:24] <phil_> So is there some overlap of debian ubuntu development
[10:24] <redguy|work> CaptainMorgan: what were the EE messages in Xorg.0.log again ?
[10:25] <rob_p> shivy:  Did it work?
[10:25] <phil_> bimberi, am I not being cordial?
[10:25] <redguy|work> phil_: sure Debian is tip-top, but would you recommend it as a desktop system for people unfamilliar with linux?
[10:25] <CaptainMorgan> red - there are no EE messages
[10:25] <shivy> yes
[10:25] <shivy> its writable from user now and seeable directly on the web
[10:26] <shivy> :)
[10:26] <rob_p> shivy:  Cool!  Glad to hear it.
[10:26] <redguy|work> CaptainMorgan: so what is the last message? no screens found ?
[10:26] <bimberi> phil_: ha, you're fine, just pointing you to some info on the ubuntu/debian relationship :)
[10:26] <phil_> well, I often think I can recommend it, and get about halfway there and realize, no ... I can't get my retirementage parent up on debian, no way.
[10:26] <redguy|work> !tell CaptainMorgan about nicktab
[10:27] <phil_> what's nicktab?  Is that like trucker speed?
[10:27] <CaptainMorgan> what's the purpose of nicktab ?
[10:27] <redguy|work> CaptainMorgan: so i'll know when you're writing to me
[10:28] <redguy|work> !tell phil_ about nicktab
[10:28] <redguy|work> :-)
[10:28] <phil_> uh, noob here, how does nicktab owrk?
[10:28] <bimberi> CaptainMorgan: type redg<tab> in your IRC client and see what happens
[10:28] <bimberi> phil_: ^^^
[10:29] <phil_> bimberi, are you tring to  ^ control me?
[10:29] <CaptainMorgan> last message? last screen says - Fatal server error ..... commands to run... consult the X.org foundatoin.....
[10:29] <CaptainMorgan> etc
[10:29] <CaptainMorgan> redg
[10:29] <CaptainMorgan> RedGhost,
[10:29] <bimberi> phil_: that was my crappy way of saying that my last post could be of interest to you too :)
[10:29] <CaptainMorgan> redgost??
[10:30] <phil_> sorry for noobescence, I'm very nooboliscious, just learning.
[10:30] <Madpilot> CaptainMorgan: if you keep hitting TAB, you should cycle thru all the nicks that start with the letters you've already typed
[10:30] <redguy|work> CaptainMorgan: try redgu<tab> :-)
[10:30] <phil_> CaptainMorgan,  Sheex that works,
[10:30] <bimberi> phil_: it's fine
[10:30] <CaptainMorgan> redgu
[10:30] <CaptainMorgan> what??
[10:31] <CaptainMorgan> redguy|work,
[10:31] <phil_> naw CaptainMorgan  tyupe tab button after a few letters.
[10:31] <Madpilot> CaptainMorgan: which IRC app are you using?
[10:31] <redguy|work> CaptainMorgan: hooray!
[10:31] <CaptainMorgan> redgu [MUPPETS] Gonzo
[10:31] <phil_> This X-Chat client kicks.
[10:31] <CaptainMorgan> im in win
[10:31] <redguy|work> Madpilot: 'CaptainMorgan: HydraIRC v0.3.151'
[10:31] <redguy|work> :/
[10:31] <CaptainMorgan> hydra
[10:31] <redguy|work> at leas it's not mirc
[10:32] <CaptainMorgan> in linux I use xchat.. but, I CAN'T USE LINUX
[10:32] <phil_> CaptainMorgan,  ubuntu will load pretty nicely off a CDR.
[10:32] <CaptainMorgan> yea, and erase all my work
[10:33] <ulle> ok so how I get the root user status back on+
[10:33] <redguy|work> CaptainMorgan: now that's an idea: boot of a ubuntu live cd
[10:33] <phil_> Chief, get one of those free hard disk utilities, and make a 4 gig partition, you'll be up and running.
[10:33] <CaptainMorgan> what will that accomplish redguy ?
[10:33] <CaptainMorgan> ill lose my work
[10:33] <phil_> redguy|work, it's not live it's an installer.
[10:33] <redguy|work> CaptainMorgan: and then you can access your logfiles and use pastebin
[10:33] <redguy|work> phil_: there's a live cd as well
[10:34] <Jaymac> you can use the live cd to try out ubuntu apps before installing
[10:34] <phil_> redguy|work, sounds like a nice way to go, and no disk erasure/
[10:34] <CaptainMorgan> wtf!
[10:34] <redguy|work> CaptainMorgan: I don't mean installing ubuntu
[10:34] <CaptainMorgan> I don't want to TRY THEM OUT
[10:34] <Jaymac> no disk erasure
[10:34] <CaptainMorgan> I want my gui back
[10:34] <redguy|work> CaptainMorgan: just boot from a live cd, any will do
[10:34] <CaptainMorgan> why?
[10:34] <phil_> CaptainMorgan, this stuff works, I recommend it, I used the suse over two years agao and I never lost anything.
[10:35] <ajmitch> CaptainMorgan: people are trying to help you - the suggestion was to use the live cd to look at the log files
[10:35] <Jaymac> always handy to have aKNOPPIX cd lying around
[10:35] <redguy|work> CaptainMorgan: to paste your Xorg.0.log so that we can see what is wrong with your xserver
[10:35] <phil_> CaptainMorgan,  I think there is someone here who can solve your problems.
[10:35] <CaptainMorgan> alright, ill try the live cd...
[10:35] <ulle> ok so how I get the root user status back on?
[10:35] <CaptainMorgan> i lose any work, Im dead...
[10:36] <Jaymac> why do you want to?
[10:36] <Madpilot> ulle: use sudo
[10:36] <Jaymac> cap a live CD doesn't install anything, so your hard drive is safe
[10:36] <phil_> CaptainMorgan, can you power down and put another hard drive in the machine to futz around with?
[10:36] <Jaymac> can you not backup your data from a terminal?
[10:37] <redguy|work> CaptainMorgan: *don't install anything*, be sure to use the live cd not the install cd
[10:37] <Jaymac> I haven't read enough of this conv
[10:37] <phil_> live cd is an OS on a disk, won't scrap with you Hard disks
[10:37] <redguy|work> Jaymac: he upgraded to breezy and got his xorg borked
[10:38] <redguy|work> CaptainMorgan: before you leave, can you tell us how did you upgrade to breezy?
[10:38] <Jaymac> happened to me.. was an fglrx issue with my X800XL
[10:38] <CaptainMorgan> redguy... apt-get distr-upgrade
[10:38] <phil_> Jaymac, is there a developer IRC that CaptainMorgan can get on to get some serious throw down?
[10:38] <redguy|work> Jaymac: yay!, he's got an ati
[10:38] <Jaymac> CAptainMorgan.. what's your card?
[10:39] <CaptainMorgan> ati
[10:39] <CaptainMorgan> k, Live is running
[10:39] <CaptainMorgan> or starting up
[10:39] <vbgunz> can anybody here connect to the following site with Firefox 1.0.7 on Breezy? http://gnome-look.org
[10:39] <redguy|work> CaptainMorgan: uhm, and before that? what did you put in your sources.list ?
[10:39] <phil_> CaptainMorgan, your Darned FASt.
[10:39] <phil_> Gooden nockt/
[10:40] <GTroy> ok I need to edit /etc/fstab to auto mount my 2nd hard drive..
[10:40] <vbgunz> is http://gnome-look.org down?
[10:40] <Jaymac> I doubt his issue is the same as mine.. unless he gets this output:
[10:40] <Jaymac> ""Failed to start the X server (your graphical interface).It is likely that it is not set up correctly. Would you like to view the X server output to diagnose the problem? Yes No""
[10:40] <fh_> hi
[10:40] <CaptainMorgan> not sure red... i put something there, then another Guru told me to # it out...my main goal was to get wifi working... I figured what the hell and wanted to upgrade to 5.10 because it has the latest wifi drier which i needed
[10:41] <phil_> vbgunz, looks like it is.
[10:41] <vbgunz> phil_: it is down?
[10:41] <ulle> what command activates a jar file
[10:41] <vbgunz> phil_: :(
[10:41] <vbgunz> I love that site...
[10:41] <bimberi> vbgunz: can't access from here either
[10:41] <phil_> vbgunz, can't get into it ..l otherwise no systems expertise to tell you honestly.
[10:41] <fh_> where
[10:42] <fh_> what is it
[10:42] <fh_> where i am
[10:42] <vbgunz> phil_: thats cool... I thought firefox was acting up on me... I had a similar problem with another site just a few minutes ago... maybe the Internet is crashing :P
[10:42] <vbgunz> bimberi: thanks for confirming that :)
[10:42] <redguy|work> CaptainMorgan: ok, can you paste your sources.list and Xorg.0.log to pastebin now please ?
[10:42] <phil_> Uh, I'm on firefox too, so maybe so cyber collision of time continuum.
[10:42] <CaptainMorgan> working on it...
[10:43] <bimberi> vbgunz: np :)
[10:43] <GTroy> can anyone help me with /etc/fstab
[10:43] <vbgunz> bimberi: :)
[10:43] <Jaymac> Can try
[10:43] <Jaymac> what's the craic?
[10:43] <Jaymac> trying to mount windows hd or what?
[10:43] <redguy|work> GTroy: no, at lest not untill you will ask your question
[10:43] <GTroy> hehe
[10:43] <GTroy> sorry
[10:44] <dakeeper56> Hi I just installed Ubuntu 5.04 on Asus W3H00A and when i enter the graphics mode i just get like a bunch of vertical stripes can any one help me?
[10:44] <GTroy> uhm ext3
[10:44] <GTroy> no home folder
[10:44] <redguy|work> dakeeper56: why not 5.10 ?
[10:44] <GTroy> no partitions on it
[10:44] <dakeeper56> dont have it at moment
[10:44] <pldn> hmm... does ubuntu have a facility for setting default ls options?
[10:44] <ajmitch> GTroy: can you ask it as a question, in a sentence please? it's hard to read otherwise
[10:44] <GTroy> how do I set /etc/fstab to auto mount my 2nd hard drive
[10:45] <Jaymac> OK
[10:45] <Jaymac> create a new folder
[10:45] <redguy|work> pldn: how about editing ~/.basrc and/or ~/.bash_profile ?
[10:45] <GTroy> done
[10:45] <Jaymac> in /media, or /mnt
[10:45] <Jaymac> or whereever
[10:45] <GTroy> it's in /mnt
[10:45] <CaptainMorgan> i can't get online with the live cd...
[10:45] <Jaymac> ok
[10:45] <Jaymac> ext3..
[10:45] <Jaymac> 2 secs
[10:45] <CaptainMorgan> huh ?
[10:45] <pldn> redguy|work: hrmm, i think i should rephrase. It seems that on a default ubuntu install, the default ordering in an ls doesnt sort by directories, which is driving me nuts :)
[10:46] <bimberi> pldn: look for the 'alias ls' in ~/.bashrc
[10:46] <pldn> bimberi: im using tcsh, and there are no aliases ;)
[10:46] <GTroy> :D
[10:46] <pldn> i was just wondering if ubuntu had a control file buried in /etc/ somewhere that had settings for that
[10:46] <Jaymac> /dev/hd1 (or whatever) /mnt/mountfolder ext3 defaults,errors=remount-ro,atime,auto,rw,dev,exec,suid,nouser 0 1
[10:46] <bimberi> pldn: well that's me stymied then :)
[10:47] <Jaymac> that is my output
[10:47] <GTroy> ok cool
[10:47] <redguy|work> pldn: hmmmm, not sure that this can be done without aliases... and yes, I don't know anything about ycsh
[10:47] <CaptainMorgan> nothing looks at like my setup
[10:47] <Jaymac> just change the hd to point to the right drive, and same for /mnt/folder
[10:47] <CaptainMorgan> redguy|work how would the Xorg file be same under the live cd as it was with my previous state ?
[10:47] <pldn> redguy: well, ls on every other *nix ive used for the last 10 years (including stock debian) always sorts by directories first... this is quite odd
[10:47] <ajmitch> Jaymac: you really don't need all those mount options
[10:47] <CaptainMorgan> redguy I can't get online either
[10:47] <Jaymac> I know.. that was the default.. didnt think i needed to cull them
[10:48] <redguy|work> CaptainMorgan: did yo
[10:48] <redguy|work> CaptainMorgan: darn did you
[10:48] <redguy|work> friggin mac keyboard!
[10:49] <Jaymac> GTroy, you can do it from terminal too... something like: sudo mount -t ext3 /dev/hdb1 /mnt/newdrive/
[10:49] <redguy|work> CaptainMorgan: what I meant you to do is to boot the live cd on the box you have problems with. then you could access the hard drive and the log files
[10:50] <redguy|work> CaptainMorgan: and paste them to pastebin
[10:50] <ajmitch> bimberi: haha
[10:50] <tuskernini> hi there all
[10:50] <bimberi> ajmitch: 3am here :(
[10:50] <CaptainMorgan> redguy, Im not an idiot.. I did boot the live cd on the problem computer.. I can't access any files.. nor can I get online
[10:50] <tuskernini> hope you are having a better morning than i am
[10:50] <GTroy> jaymac: i know I've done that
[10:50] <ajmitch> bimberi: sorry I couldn't do it at a better time
[10:50] <GTroy> just wanted it to be automatic
[10:50] <tuskernini> anyone a apache2 guru?
[10:51] <pldn> whats up tusker?
[10:51] <GTroy> hey lilo!
[10:51] <bimberi> ajmitch: no apology please - i reckon you maximised your audience :)
[10:51] <Jaymac> so, got it working GTroy?
[10:51] <Jaymac> good man
[10:51] <GTroy> hold on I'll find out
[10:51] <egytrack> i have something wrong when i try to delete cannot be deleted because you do not have permissions to modify its parent folder. that folder is trash i try empty trash
[10:51] <tiglionabbit> I must use SDL.  What should I #include?
[10:52] <egytrack> could not empty trash don't know why
[10:52] <CaptainMorgan> how do i back up my files... to a cd.. at the commmand line... fuck this, Im going to reinstall hoary this is way too much freakin work for a freakin upgrad
[10:52] <sean> Does anyone have experience installing firefox in ubuntu?
[10:52] <tuskernini> pldn, i set u a server and everything worked well until i installed ubuntu un my second hd aswell... now i can not get into my /var/www dir from a browser using my ip adress?
[10:52] <GTroy> jaymac: mount point 1 does not exist
[10:52] <tiglionabbit> sean: firefox should be on there already, or easily apt-gettable.  Do you mean compiling it?
[10:52] <bimberi> sean: FF1.5?
[10:52] <sean> 1.5
[10:52] <Jaymac> you've definitely got the locaton of your hard drive right?
[10:52] <bimberi> !firefox15
[10:52] <ubotflu> somebody said firefox15 was see the wiki at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxNewVersion for information on how to install Firefox 1.5 from mozilla.org
[10:53] <GTroy> I thought....
[10:53] <pldn> tusker: sounds like a pathing problem... just make sure that apache is still looking in the right place
[10:53] <sean> I tried it, and now firefox won't work at all
[10:53] <CaptainMorgan> how do I backup my files to cd ?
[10:53] <tuskernini> you mean port 80?
[10:53] <tuskernini> or at 127.0.0.1
[10:53] <pldn> tusker: no i mean on your filesystem
[10:54] <pldn> make sure that the files still exist in /var/www or whever your DocumentRoot is
[10:54] <GTroy> jaymac: it worked despite the error message
[10:54] <Jaymac> yeah.. good stuff
[10:54] <GTroy> very cool many thanks
[10:54] <pldn> (please dont privmesg me)
[10:54] <Jaymac> I get an error like that whenever I put a dvd in
[10:54] <GTroy> ok cool
[10:54] <Jaymac> mount point /media/hdc does not exist
[10:54] <CaptainMorgan> redguy!?
[10:54] <Jaymac> but the dvd still plays
[10:54] <GTroy> yep
[10:54] <Jaymac> haven't figured that one out yet ;0
[10:54] <Jaymac> :)*
[10:54] <GTroy> can read all my files
[10:54] <pldn> also, make sure that your apache service is still running
[10:54] <tuskernini> pldn, ok... the files do exsist... if i type localhost in the browser bar.. it works
[10:54] <Jaymac> Great
[10:55] <ol1> I extracted the kubuntu iso image and copied it to an ext3 partition. how can I install from that without burning the cd?
[10:55] <GTroy> thanks!
[10:55] <pldn> tusker: okay... whats the problem then?
[10:55] <Jaymac> No problem
[10:55] <tuskernini> it is still running... checked
[10:55] <tuskernini> localhost... workes...but if i type the IP address.. it does not work...
[10:56] <sean> I have a question.... my ntfs drives read fine, but in boot, it says that mounting local drives failed.... is there any real problem there?
[10:56] <tuskernini> 80.219.156.216 is my ip...
[10:56] <tuskernini> for now... its not static
[10:56] <cafuego> !test
[10:56] <ubotflu> Failed.
[10:56] <tuskernini> but i use no-ip to reroot it
[10:56] <pldn> tusker: issue `netstat -nl | grep 80`
[10:57] <pldn> is it listening on 0.0.0.0:* ?
[10:57] <egytrack> how i can delete file without send it to trash
[10:57] <pldn> err sorry :80
[10:57] <Jaymac> rm -r
[10:57] <Jaymac> sudo rm filename
[10:57] <cafuego> egytrack: Right click the file, select 'Delete'.
[10:57] <Jaymac> or sudo rm -r folder
[10:57] <pldn> egytrack: delete anything from the console using rm, or configure gnome to accept a delete that bypasses the trash
[10:58] <tuskernini> tcp6 0 0 :::80   :::*   LISTEN
[10:58] <tuskernini> and lots of unix 2 acc stream listening
[10:58] <egytrack> cafuego , right click there is no delete
[10:58] <pldn> tusker: okay issue `ifconfig -a | grep inet`
[10:58] <CaptainMorgan> how do I burn to cd from the command line ??
[10:58] <pldn> is the ip you are trying to hit listed in there?
[10:59] <tuskernini> inet addr:192.168.1.4  Bcast:192.168.1.255  Mask:255.255.255.0
[10:59] <tuskernini>           inet6 addr: fe80::250:daff:fee0:6e0d/64 Scope:Link
[10:59] <tuskernini>           inet addr:127.0.0.1  Mask:255.0.0.0
[10:59] <tuskernini>           inet6 addr: ::1/128 Scope:Host
[10:59] <alan_> ?
[10:59] <ajmitch> tuskernini: please, don't paste it in here
[10:59] <ol1> sean: do you mean from a server install?
[10:59] <tuskernini> ok sorry
[10:59] <pldn> theres your problem
[10:59] <tuskernini> ok im istning?
[10:59] <pldn> nope
[11:00] <egytrack> pldn , could not delete with this way
[11:00] <egytrack> i need to delete folder
[11:00] <Jaymac> sudo rm -r folder
[11:00] <pldn> rm -rf my/silly/folder
[11:00] <CaptainMorgan> how do I burn to cd from the command line ??
[11:00] <CaptainMorgan> how do I burn to cd from the command line ??
[11:00] <tuskernini> pldn, so how do i fix it?
[11:01] <pldn> tusker: if that ip you are trying to hit is bound to a router, make sure you have a passthru setup to the box you are trying to serve from
[11:01] <egytrack> yes done
[11:01] <egytrack> thanks :)
[11:01] <Jaymac> :)
[11:01] <pldn> tusker: well, bind that ip to an inet4 interface
[11:01] <tuskernini> i have a router...
[11:01] <pldn> okay
[11:01] <pldn> you need to configure your router to passthru traffic on port 80 (tcp) to your box
[11:02] <tuskernini> ok.. i rememer i did it once... but what could have changed it?
[11:02] <pldn> but unless you are running an ipv6 network, you need to get an inet4 address assigned to one of your ethernet devices
[11:02] <selinium> CaptainMorgan, cdrecord
[11:02] <pldn> tusker: you probably dont have a ip address on that box... that output you pasted at least suggested that
[11:02] <CaptainMorgan> help
[11:02] <CaptainMorgan> that's it?
[11:02] <pldn> CaptainMorgan: google is your friend.... use it
[11:02] <CaptainMorgan> cdrecord ?
[11:03] <Vindevogel> Hi, I have a remote server at an ISP, default with a minimum of packages.  I want to install OpenOffice on it to run some macros (conversions).  OOo needs a display, so I installed Xorg, but I still can't connect to it.
[11:03] <Vindevogel> What packages do I need to install to run an X11 session ?
[11:03] <CaptainMorgan> google is not my friend right now
[11:03] <thefish> Vindevogel: how are you connecting?
[11:03] <selinium> CaptainMorgan, it is the command line for burning CD's. tkae a look at     cdrecord --help     and      man cdrecord
[11:03] <Vindevogel> thefish: ssh
[11:04] <thefish> Vindevogel: use ssh -X
[11:04] <DuoMaxwell> Hello, anyone here versed in Ubuntu for PPC?
[11:04] <thefish> Vindevogel: or you could use sshfs, then do the conversion locally
[11:05] <ol1> CaptainMorgan: cdrecord
[11:05] <Vindevogel> thefish: ssh -X -l root .... does not make a difference, still in shell mode
[11:05] <Vindevogel> when I'm at the machine, i can't do a "startx"
[11:06] <Vindevogel> the command does not exist
[11:06] <triple5> CaptainMorgan $ > info cdrecord
[11:06] <thefish> Vindevogel: dont use that! hehe
[11:06] <egytrack> can i delete all files on tmp folder ?
[11:06] <thefish> Vindevogel: just start writer
[11:06] <Vindevogel> thefish: i cant: "can't connect to display ...."
[11:06] <egytrack> all files and folders in tmp folder
[11:06] <DuoMaxwell> Can someone please tell me how I can get my iBook late 2001 to see any ubuntu install CD?
[11:06] <thefish> and you used ssh -X user@host to connect?
[11:07] <triple5> hase anyone install the systemcall.pl for Xchat?
[11:07] <DuoMaxwell> I can mount them on th desktop, but I can't get the damn thing to see it as a boot device
[11:08] <triple5> have a problem which says about xmms: Can't locate Xmms/Remote.pm in @INC
[11:08] <Jaymac> DuoMaxwell: You haven't done what I once did and copied the iso to the disc rather than burned it?  That one made me go a bit red :O
[11:09] <ol1> CaptainMorgan: apt-get install cdrecord
[11:09] <Jaymac> I have no experience with PPC so no clue
[11:09] <Vindevogel> thefish: yes, with the -X option
[11:09] <DuoMaxwell> I've tried an official CD from ShipIt of 5.04 and the new version I just DLed
[11:09] <ol1> how do I move files without copying and deleting?
[11:09] <Jaymac> ah
[11:09] <Jaymac> right
[11:09] <triple5> ol1 use mv
[11:09] <DuoMaxwell> Jaymac: Not that new lol
[11:10] <egytrack> is it ok to delete files and folders in /tmp/ folder ???
[11:10] <triple5> any idea about that xmms perl module?
[11:10] <Jaymac> Duo: I have been using Linux for 4/5 years, and I managed to do that once recently :D
[11:10] <Vindevogel> thefish: how do i start an x11 session in the background to connect to ?  maybe connect through vnc ?
[11:10] <Jaymac> triple5, i thought you said it was an xchat module?
[11:10] <DuoMaxwell> Jaymac: I tried the startup disk prefs, the holding of command C on boot and holding alt on boot to bring up the list of bootable devices
[11:10] <Jaymac> which is it?
[11:10] <ol1> really - can anyone help me with a harddrive install? I used lilo as per instructions in the manual, booted just fine but then the installer still wanted to copy files from the CDROM -- no chance to copy from a location
[11:11] <Jaymac> tried a live CD?
[11:11] <DuoMaxwell> Jaymac, I always use toast
[11:11] <Jaymac> to see if it'll pick that up?
[11:11] <triple5> yeah it is the xchat module for systemcall but it needs some kind of xmms module in perl...
[11:11] <DuoMaxwell> Jaymac: yes, the 5.04 live CD, but it ceased every time halfway through boot
[11:11] <triple5> Jaymac...
[11:12] <thefish> Vindevogel: what runlevel is the remote running in?
[11:12] <thefish> i guess its 3
[11:12] <thefish> may want to change to 5, but im not sure if that will help
[11:13] <Jaymac> Duo, has google returned anything interesting?
[11:13] <Elektrochelovek> ;] 
[11:13] <DuoMaxwell> Jaymac: I've tested a few linuxs in the last few months, but I still know nothing of it, but I have managed to boot Linspire 5-0 live CD in VirtualPC
[11:13] <Elektrochelovek> take drugs;] 
[11:13] <Vindevogel> I think 3, which is the default for servers, i guess.  I don't want to change it to 5 because I'm not sure yet if my X starts
[11:14] <DuoMaxwell> Jaymac: nothing I can make out. I get lost fast in the command line since I haven't used one in like 6+ years
[11:14] <DuoMaxwell> Jaymac: and that was DOS
[11:14] <Jaymac> heh
[11:14] <freenik> is here a (service) bot?
[11:15] <Jaymac> too much cider last night ;)
[11:15] <Jaymac> Duo, sorry, I've not had a mac since 1990..
[11:15] <triple5> DuoMaxwell: learn the commandline is powerful... use info etc.
[11:15] <CaptainMorgan> cdrecord wht?
[11:15] <triple5> hi melonipoika, did you get to your problem?
[11:15] <melonipoika> hi triple5
[11:15] <bungle> hi
[11:16] <melonipoika> yes, reinstallin :D i was bored yesterday and i had security copy of my data, so i went ahead :D
[11:16] <triple5> ...
[11:16] <triple5> has anyone got the systemcall.pl module for Xchat working?
[11:16] <melonipoika> by the way, i wanted to ask how can i do a security copy of my configuration before doing any change with synaptic?
[11:17] <DuoMaxwell> I know the only way I'ma learn anything is if it's the only way to do it, and while theres the Darwin BSD command line in OS X it's not gonna help me learn anything with all of my OS X apps
[11:17] <triple5> !backup
[11:17] <ubotflu> triple5: Did you get hit by a windmill?
[11:17] <CaptainMorgan> how do i use cdrecord ?
[11:17] <Jaymac> man cdrecord
[11:17] <triple5> sorry ubotu...
[11:17] <CaptainMorgan> cdrecod <what>
[11:18] <CaptainMorgan> ? man sux
[11:18] <triple5> !security
[11:18] <ubotflu> triple5: I give up, what is it?
[11:18] <CaptainMorgan> i can't make sense of the man
[11:18] <Jaymac> cdrecord --help
[11:18] <CaptainMorgan> rightnow
[11:18] <Jaymac> i'd imagine it's cdrecord -filename/foldername?
[11:18] <CaptainMorgan> tried that
[11:18] <melonipoika> isn't it any "restore system" option?
[11:18] <CaptainMorgan> melon I wish
[11:19] <CaptainMorgan> so I tried cdrecord filename but nothing
[11:19] <CaptainMorgan> wtf
[11:19] <CaptainMorgan> for two days straight... all this freakin trouble for a freakin upgrade... screw that
[11:19] <ol1> Vindevogel: check out  ubuntu lite
[11:20] <melonipoika> so, my problem... i want to update to firefox 1.5. I have done before that changing "breezy" by "dapper" in source.list, i can update it. But the last time i did i had a problem with synaptic after that. So is better not to use this "way" of doing things?
[11:20] <Vindevogel> ol1: what is ubuntu lite ?
[11:20] <Jaymac> i think he means ubuntu live
[11:20] <Jaymac> ?
[11:21] <Jaymac> oh no he doesnt
[11:21] <triple5> melonipoika, you don't need to update by synaptic, just use the firefox update
[11:21] <Jaymac> holy new website batman
[11:21] <Jaymac> http://www.ubuntulite.org/
[11:21] <DuoMaxwell> interesting
[11:21] <melonipoika> triple5, how?
[11:21] <Jaymac> Duo, might be worth a shot
[11:22] <Jaymac> what are the specs of your imac?
[11:22] <triple5> melonipoika go to getfirefox.com
[11:22] <lavender_girl> haiiiiiiiiiii
[11:22] <triple5> hi girl
[11:22] <melonipoika> thanks
[11:22] <lavender_girl> ^^
[11:22] <DuoMaxwell> Jaymac: exactly what I was thinking lol
[11:22] <Vindevogel> ol1: how will ubuntulite help me with the problem ?
[11:22] <CaptainMorgan> how do I find out the scsibus, target and lun of my cddrive ?
[11:22] <triple5> melonipoika it isn't that difficult, there is a firefox installer that does all that you need...
[11:22] <DuoMaxwell> A girl in a geeky thing like IRC?
[11:22] <Jaymac> Firefox 1.5: http://www.ubuntulite.org/
[11:22] <Jaymac> oops
[11:23] <DuoMaxwell> you're pullin' me
[11:23] <lavender_girl> ehmm...actually i'm new here
[11:23] <Jaymac> melonipoika.... http://lxer.com/module/newswire/lf/view/45917/
[11:23] <lavender_girl> heiii
[11:23] <CaptainMorgan> help
[11:23] <lavender_girl> is there anyone who wants 2 chat with me?
[11:23] <melonipoika> ok, i'm downloading a ta.bz file now
[11:23] <CaptainMorgan> help
[11:23] <CaptainMorgan> help
[11:23] <CaptainMorgan> help
[11:23] <CaptainMorgan> help
[11:23] <CaptainMorgan> help
[11:23] <DuoMaxwell> lavender girl: a joke
[11:23] <CaptainMorgan> help
[11:24] <Jaymac> Cap'n.. don't flood
[11:24] <melonipoika> Jaymac, thanks
[11:24] <Jaymac> np
[11:24] <Jaymac> worked like a charm for me
[11:24] <DuoMaxwell> Capin' quit drinkin'
[11:24] <CaptainMorgan> well, Im drowning
[11:24] <CaptainMorgan> i have a dead machine here
[11:24] <lavender_girl> heiiiiiiiiiiiiiii
[11:25] <triple5> CaptainMorgan
[11:25] <lavender_girl> can u hear meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
[11:25] <Jaymac> CApn
[11:25] <lavender_girl> cawawaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
[11:25] <DuoMaxwell> Dammit, this lite version is for x86
[11:25] <lavender_girl> wawawawa
[11:25] <lavender_girl> asdjaskd
[11:25] <lavender_girl> sadkas
[11:25] <lavender_girl> dfkasd
[11:25] <lavender_girl> fkas
[11:25] <lavender_girl> dfkasd
[11:25] <Jaymac> here's a solution
[11:25] <lavender_girl> fkasdkf
[11:25] <lavender_girl> kdsa
[11:25] <bimberi> !ops
[11:25] <ubotflu> Help! seb128, bob2, fabbione, lamont, thom, Keybuk, jdub, mdz, Amaranth, tritium, ajmitch, crimsun, ogra, CarlK, Seveas, Burgundavia, apokryphos, thoreauputic or nalioth
[11:25] <lavender_girl> fks
[11:25] <Jaymac> how much data you got?
[11:25] <lavender_girl> akdf
[11:25] <lavender_girl> askdf
[11:25] <Jaymac> that you need to save?
[11:25] <lavender_girl> askdf
[11:25] <triple5> lavender_girl, get off it
[11:25] <lavender_girl> aksf
[11:25] <lavender_girl> kasddfkas
[11:26] <lavender_girl> fkas
[11:26] <lavender_girl> dkfd
[11:26] <Jaymac> lavendergirl HUSH
[11:26] <lavender_girl> askfa
[11:26] <triple5> you will just get a ban...
[11:26] <lavender_girl> sdkfdask
[11:26] <lavender_girl> fksdfkas[kf[pdskf[sadkf
[11:26] <lavender_girl> [pksadf[ask
[11:26] <lavender_girl> fdpkas
[11:26] <lavender_girl> [fdkas
[11:26] <lavender_girl> dfks
[11:26] <lavender_girl> af[
[11:26] <Mazoku> lavender_girl please don't flood
[11:26] <lavender_girl> sa
[11:26] <lavender_girl> hehe....
[11:26] <triple5> get the (_)*&N lavender_girl out of here
[11:26] <Jaymac> there we go
[11:26] <triple5> thanks fabbione
[11:26] <Jaymac> cheers
[11:26] <DuoMaxwell> perfect
[11:27] <fabbione> no problem
[11:27] <Jaymac> DuoMax.. try YDL
[11:27] <Jaymac> It's ppc linux
[11:27] <DuoMaxwell> Jaymac, I thought you had to pay for that one
[11:27] <Jaymac> i was pretty sure there was a dl
[11:27] <Jaymac> hang on
[11:28] <triple5> anyone with the systemcall.pl or a similar script that is working?
[11:28] <CaptainMorgan> triple5 ?
[11:28] <DuoMaxwell> Jaymac, I know theres quite a few PPC linuxs now, I saw a list not to long ago
[11:28] <LegoManiac> Hello Ubuntus
[11:28] <triple5> ye
[11:28] <Jaymac> Ah crap, it would seem you do have to
[11:28] <triple5> Captn
[11:28] <Jaymac> Ubuntu *should* work
[11:29] <Jaymac> what is your spec?
[11:29] <LegoManiac> anyone here have experience doing a no-media drive (network based) install?
[11:30] <DuoMaxwell> iBook late 2001, the snow model http://www.apple-history.com/?page=gallery&model=ibook_late_2001&performa=off&sort=date&order=ASC
[11:31] <LegoManiac> net install seems to set the wrong DNS in resolv.conf, where does it pull this from during install?  I dont see a prompt
[11:31] <DuoMaxwell> Jayman: with a few replacement parts, new HD and the burner of the opaqe iBooks where used via warranty repair
[11:32] <triple5> LegoManiac, what is the wrong DNS?
[11:32] <ol1> Vindevogel: can you use aptitude?
[11:32] <CaptainMorgan> how do i cdrecord directories? it's give me :Is a directory, read error on input file
[11:32] <CaptainMorgan> and kicks back to %
[11:32] <Jaymac> i don't see why it wont work
[11:32] <DuoMaxwell> Jayman: it may not be stock but it's not non apple, it's got 640Mb ram 30Gb internal and a 250Gb fiwire external
[11:32] <Jaymac> there should be enough juice there
[11:33] <LegoManiac> It sets it to 68.x.x.x, not anywhere near my netblock....not sure where it's getting this IP from
[11:33] <triple5> CaptainMorgan: maybe try -r flag to recurse into dir?
[11:33] <Jaymac> capn morgan try cdrcord directory/*
[11:33] <DuoMaxwell> Jayman, yeah, it's on par with like a P4 1.2ish system with the same everything else
[11:33] <LegoManiac> this causing it to fail package installation (stage 2), since it can't find apt sources
[11:34] <thefish> Vindevogel: how many files do you want to convert, and what is the conversion from/to??
[11:34] <CaptainMorgan> no
[11:34] <CaptainMorgan> wont' work
[11:34] <Jaymac> which one?
[11:34] <CaptainMorgan> "/* and -r"
[11:35] <Jaymac> output?
[11:35] <Jaymac> same?
[11:35] <CaptainMorgan> bad option -r
[11:35] <triple5> CaptainMorgan: is there a config file for cdrecord I get output from --usage that says: cdrecord file1...filen
[11:35] <Jaymac> Duo.. I really dont know what the problem is
[11:35] <CaptainMorgan> "/* attempts to write.... but then stops...
[11:36] <CaptainMorgan> with /* it's error is "is a directory, read error on input file
[11:36] <Jaymac> try dir/*.
[11:36] <ol1> Vindevogel: if you read abuot it, you might get some tips about how to install packages the hard way to get your xserver running
[11:36] <Jaymac> sorry
[11:36] <Jaymac> dir*.*
[11:37] <Jaymac> in case its trying to write directories inside that one?
[11:37] <Jaymac> directory/*.*
[11:37] <Jaymac> bah kb playing up
[11:38] <CaptainMorgan> hm... dir/*.* seems to be working... I think it's checking tracks right now...
[11:38] <DuoMaxwell> Jaymac: no prob man, I'll try some other stuff, maybe that homwbre of slackware for Macs Slackintosh will boot this thing
[11:38] <CaptainMorgan> thanks Jaymac
[11:38] <Jaymac> np
[11:38] <ol1> Vindevogel: you'll need xserver-xorg, xserver-common, etc. etc.
[11:38] <Jaymac> posiby
[11:38] <Jaymac> if you find a distro that works. drop in and let me know :)
[11:38] <Jaymac> or ifyou figure it out i'd love to know too
[11:39] <DuoMaxwell> Heh, I will try and keep you posted
[11:39] <Jaymac> CApn.. for future reference for myself... what was the exact command you typed in?
[11:39] <Jaymac> cdrecord -directory/*.*
[11:39] <ol1> lavender_girl: have you tried the voodoo lounge????
[11:39] <DuoMaxwell> if all else fails I am saving up for a new powermac, maybe I'll orderone with YDL preinstalled
[11:40] <Jaymac> Duo, ubuntu will run on one do not fear
[11:40] <CaptainMorgan> I checked the cd.. nothing was written to it
[11:40] <Jaymac> :)
[11:40] <CaptainMorgan> dir/*.* only checked tracks..
[11:40] <Jaymac> oh
[11:40] <CaptainMorgan> "cdrecord dir/*.*"
[11:41] <Jaymac> maybe
[11:41] <Jaymac> is there a write flag?
[11:41] <Jaymac> like cdrecord -w dir/*.*
[11:41] <ol1> CaptainMorgan: what your looking for is called a "front end" for cdrecord - to get off the command line. if you have gnome you can try gnomebaker
[11:41] <Jaymac> or something?
[11:41] <Jaymac> oli, he has no X
[11:41] <Jaymac> ol1*
[11:42] <DuoMaxwell> Jaymac: I haven't tried Kubuntu, I wonder if it may work, but I think I heard that KDE doesn't handle older systems to good
[11:42] <triple5> I read: Mkisofs turns a directory structure on your filesystem into the ISO9660 filesystem for CDs.
[11:42] <Jaymac> if ubuntu doesnt work i would fall off my stool if kubuntu does
[11:42] <ol1> Jaymac: i had to do that because I couldn't stat any packages from the internet repositories.
[11:42] <DuoMaxwell> Jayman: and an ATI Rage 8Mb is pretty damn weak in the graphics department
[11:43] <DuoMaxwell> haha
[11:43] <ol1> DuoMaxwell: are you using gnome?
[11:43] <CaptainMorgan> omg
[11:43] <Jaymac> work?
[11:43] <CaptainMorgan> I am so screwed
[11:43] <Jaymac> why
[11:43] <ilba7r> duomaxwell have you tried openbox or fluxbox
[11:43] <DuoMaxwell> oll, I'm on a Mac, so no, I'm using aqua
[11:43] <CaptainMorgan> uhm.. because I ahve so much on there that i can't access...?
[11:43] <CaptainMorgan> can't get X back, can't burn to cd
[11:43] <andy108> hi all
[11:44] <ilba7r> duomaxwell also for old sys with limited resources daminsmalllinux is good choice too
[11:44] <CaptainMorgan> wtf am I to do?
[11:44] <Jaymac> stick a hard drive in, mount it, copy everything across
[11:44] <CaptainMorgan> beside a clean install
[11:44] <CaptainMorgan> ?
[11:44] <CaptainMorgan> not that easy
[11:44] <wildman> hello *
[11:44] <Jaymac> what is the problem with X anyway, I came in too late
[11:44] <CaptainMorgan> I upgrade to breezy... since, X won't work
[11:44] <Jaymac> yeah
[11:44] <Jaymac> do you get any output from X?
[11:45] <Jaymac> or do you just get dumped at the terminal
[11:45] <DuoMaxwell> ilba7r: yes, I know all about DSL, I tried it on an old 486, but thats x8, I'm trying to use PPC here
[11:45] <CaptainMorgan> no.... just command line
[11:45] <CaptainMorgan> yes - terminal
[11:45] <andy108> want to know how to keep wireless icon from dissappering from network panel, everytime I log in must do modprobe and enable wireless properties
[11:45] <Jaymac> ok, and if you type startx.. what happens
[11:45] <camerling> is anybody use asterisk pbx under ubuntu ?
[11:45] <ilba7r> ok
[11:45] <CaptainMorgan> fatal IO error 104
[11:45] <CaptainMorgan> connection reset by peer
[11:45] <CaptainMorgan> on X server
[11:45] <CaptainMorgan> 0.0
[11:46] <Jaymac> ok
[11:46] <triple5> finally: CaptainMorgan:   http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/CD-Writing-HOWTO-2.html found this
[11:46] <Jaymac> I got a similar error
[11:46] <LegoManiac> is "Add Applications" util just synaptic renamed?
[11:46] <senectus> where does evolution keep all it's profile settings and mail.box ??
[11:46] <triple5> no lego
[11:46] <Jaymac> it's simplified synaptic pretty much lego.. but it isnt synaptic
[11:47] <LegoManiac> "Add Applications" then is some sort of package bundle manager?
[11:48] <Jaymac> CaptainMorgan, I have something you could try
[11:48] <CaptainMorgan> all ears
[11:48] <Jaymac> it's a graphics thing
[11:48] <Jaymac> do you have the fglrx driver for your ati?
[11:48] <samu2> where do you change the sensible-browser ?
[11:48] <asolten> What is the correct way to install emacs under ubuntu ?? I Can't find it in Synaptic.
[11:49] <redguy|work> samu2: update-alternatives perhaps ?
[11:49] <CaptainMorgan> no
[11:49] <Jaymac> ok
[11:49] <Jaymac> sudo apt-get install xorg-driver-fglrx
[11:49] <odat> hi everyone
[11:49] <LegoManiac> sorry for the newbie questions, first look at ubuntu here
[11:50] <odat> has anyone gotten gstreamer and totem to play windows streaming media?
[11:50] <ilba7r> duomaxwell just curious you have mac right so why switch to linux
[11:50] <LegoManiac> odat: use vlc-mozilla
[11:50] <pc22> cant find w32codec
[11:50] <odat> LegoManiac, won't vlc overide gstreamer?
[11:50] <Jaymac> pc22.. check the ubuntu forums
[11:51] <pc22> i did wiki
[11:51] <DuoMaxwell> ilba7r: nothing else better to do for one and 2, I kinda blew up the P4
[11:51] <Jaymac> you can get it from ubuntu plf
[11:51] <LegoManiac> odat: ya, i think it uses xine
[11:51] <pc22> but its not work
[11:51] <Jaymac> repositories
[11:51] <odat> pc22,  go to apt-get.org and do a search for w32 and add the repository to synaptic
[11:51] <barosl> does QT use embolden?
[11:51] <pc22> thanks
[11:52] <odat> LegoManiac, i am trying to keep gstreamer since everything points to gstreamer becoming the standard
[11:52] <CaptainMorgan> same friggin output - "This package is an installer package, it does not actually contain the J2sdk doc. You will need to go the download onr of the archives at <address> choose verison, Please visit <address> now and download copy to /tmp. press return to try again. "no" an return to abort
[11:52] <ilba7r> duomaxwell ok for my next question for i am still weighing the cons and pros of pc with linux on it or a mac. how do you compare both.
[11:52] <CaptainMorgan> I try return and it does nothing.
[11:52] <CaptainMorgan> I can't visit the sites well, because I can't access a browser
[11:52] <ol1> odat:  I used mplayer
[11:52] <LegoManiac> odat: i had problems viewing gamespot's site, had to install totem-xine and vlc-mozilla, after taht all the web stuff worked flawless
[11:53] <asolten> Hi all... What is the correct way to install emacs under ubuntu ?? I Can't find it in Synaptic.
[11:53] <DuoMaxwell> ilba7r: 3rd would be that I can't always switch ppl to Macs, so I figured learn linux, Ubuntu and Linspire whenever I get the PC going again so I can support their switching
[11:53] <thefish> Vindevogel: if you are just converting docs, I would not recommend installing OOo, just a script, there are many available
[11:53] <senectus> where does evolution keep all it's profile settings and mail.box ??
[11:53] <Jaymac> sudo apt-get install emacs21
[11:54] <wildman> question: I've added 'keychain' to my ~/.bash_profile to have it ask me for my ssh/gpg passphrases the 1st time I open a terminal window, so I can forget about them later.... but it isn't asking me for my passphrases and each time I try to use ssh I get prompted for it, this wasn't happening in Mandriva2006, any ideas?
[11:54] <CaptainMorgan> Jaymac, driver didn't install...
[11:54] <CaptainMorgan> I guess
[11:54] <Jaymac> ok
[11:54] <odat> LegoManiac, hmmm it just seems since gstreamer became the standard for ubuntu that its what is going to be supported the most
[11:54] <redguy|work> asolten: how about emacs21 ?
[11:54] <wildman> senectus: ~/.evolution/ IIRC
[11:54] <burepe2> I have a network problem. I cannot detect my ubuntu comp with my windows comp. Any suggestions?
[11:54] <DuoMaxwell> ilba7r: comparing the same os on 2 arcatectures? I'm pretty sre it'd be trasnparent to the user like the difference between IDE and SATA, Intel vs AMD and ATI vs nVidia
[11:55] <wildman> burepe2: can u ping it at least? (ping IP_Ubuntu_computer from windows)
[11:55] <asolten> Where do I get emacs21??
[11:55] <Jaymac> captainmorgan.. echo fglrx | sudo tee -a /etc/modules
[11:55] <Jaymac> just to see if it is there or not
[11:55] <pc22> what about java on website? they wont play. what package do i download? its differnet in breezy
[11:56] <LegoManiac> odat: totem plugin for mozilla isn't up to par yet, imo
[11:56] <CaptainMorgan> Jaymac, yep.. it returns with "fglrx"
[11:56] <ilba7r> duomaxwell for me i have to do the comparision for the cost. I know apple is much more stable but i am mainly worried about its running cost and its upgrade
[11:56] <Jaymac> http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=423584 CaptainMorgan.. try this
[11:56] <Jaymac> oh it does? great
[11:56] <Jaymac> ignore that url for a sec
[11:56] <redguy|work> asolten: it should be in your synaptics
[11:56] <pc22> odat
[11:56] <asfra> hi, i'm still runnig hoary here, and my machine won't hibernate, will it work when i install breezy?? thanks :)
[11:56] <redguy|work> asolten: what does sudo apt-get install emacs21 say?
[11:57] <john_351> burepe2, try typing in terminal 'sudo iwconfig eth1 mode ad-hoc
[11:57] <john_351> '
[11:57] <Jaymac> sudo sed -i -e 's/"ati"/"fglrx"/' /etc/X11/xorg.conf CaptainMorgain... enter that
[11:57] <DuoMaxwell> ilba7r: while there may be some difference to the trained geek, I doubt that joe 6 pack will care much so long as he has email and ready access to his free p0rn pix
[11:57] <asolten> It could'nt find the package.
[11:57] <odat> pc22,  yea
[11:57] <Jaymac> ok asolten...
[11:57] <asolten> and I can't find it in synaptic
[11:57] <Jaymac> have you enabled all the repositories?
[11:57] <pc22> what about java on website? they wont play. what package do i download? its differnet in breezy
[11:57] <redguy|work> !tell asolten about nicktab
[11:58] <redguy|work> Jaymac: emacs is in the main repo
[11:58] <Jaymac> thats what i thought yeah
[11:58] <CaptainMorgan> jaymac: returns sudo only one of the options may be used
[11:58] <Jaymac> so why doesnt synaptic pick it up
[11:58] <Jaymac> then captain
[11:58] <redguy|work> asolten: hmm, then try sudo apt-get update
[11:58] <Jaymac> just go
[11:58] <CaptainMorgan> wait.. I forget sed
[11:58] <ilba7r> duomaxwell lol. For me i just need stable system that will support my programming. I do a lot of numerical analysis and simulation. I got the impression that mac is best suited for multimedia which is not my concern at all
[11:58] <Jaymac> sudo nano -w /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[11:58] <Jaymac> scroll down to
[11:58] <redguy|work> asolten: and then sudo apt-get install emacs21
[11:58] <CaptainMorgan> ok.. after sudo sed ..... it returns
[11:59] <CaptainMorgan> with nothing
[11:59] <odat> pc22, do you have all your possible repositories open?
[11:59] <redguy|work> !tell pc22 about java
[11:59] <DuoMaxwell> ilba7r: TCO? you gotta add the microsoft tax on any store bought PC, that and the tons of useless software they come with, the cost of time securing and teaching joe sixpac about windows security and why he shouldn't open those attachments
[11:59] <pc22> yes i did
[11:59] <asolten> redguy|work, thaks and sorry ... i'm qiute the newbee...
[11:59] <CaptainMorgan> [06:01]  <Jaymac> sudo sed -i -e 's/"ati"/"fglrx"/' /etc/X11/xorg.conf CaptainMorgain... enter that << return nothing
[11:59] <Jaymac> CAptain... edit your xorg.conf with whatever
[11:59] <Sleepwalker> hi
[11:59] <CaptainMorgan> whatever ?
[11:59] <ilba7r> duomaxwell lol.
[12:00] <dragoon> anything
[12:00] <redguy|work> asolten: no problem this is the right place to ask newbie questions
[12:00] <Jaymac> captain it shouldnt bring back anything
[12:00] <dragoon> nano or something
[12:00] <Jaymac> use nano
[12:00] <odat> pc22, do you have all the multiverse repositories open too?
[12:00] <asolten> redguy|work, and orvious not very good at spelling... ;)
[12:00] <Sleepwalker> im searching for a good prog. where i can open .bin files
[12:00] <pc22> yes
[12:00] <Jaymac> sudo nano -w /ec/11/xorg..conf
[12:00] <dragoon> sudo nano -w /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[12:00] <asfra> should hibernate work by default in breezy? (yes or no is adequate:)
[12:00] <Jaymac> ya.. sorry for my lame typing :)
[12:00] <dragoon> heh
[12:00] <CaptainMorgan> alright, Im in nano
[12:00] <redguy|work> asolten: huh? you misspelled emacs21 ?
[12:00] <Jaymac> Cap, scroll down to the following section
[12:01] <ilba7r> asfra depend on your hardware
[12:01] <ilba7r> asfra do you have a notebook or a laptop
[12:01] <Jaymac> Section "Device"
[12:01] <Jaymac>         Identifier      "ATI Technologies, Inc. Radeon X800 XL (R430 UM)"
[12:01] <Jaymac> then CaptainMorgan, below that check the driver..
[12:01] <Jaymac> it should say fglrx
[12:01] <DuoMaxwell> ilba7r: while I'm no programmer I've heard from those who are that MAcs are pretty bad ass when it come to crunching numbers, on a forum like Broadband reports the guys running Macs on that distributed computing app are creaming the guys running anything else
[12:01] <ilba7r> asfra do you have a notebook or a pc
[12:01] <CaptainMorgan> Jaymac it does
[12:01] <Jaymac> ok
[12:01] <Jaymac> exit
[12:02] <Jaymac> Ctrl + X
[12:02] <asfra> ilba7r, i have a 'laptop' with p4 processor
[12:02] <Jaymac> try and startx
[12:02] <asfra> ilba7r, what hardware does it depend on?
[12:02] <ilba7r> asfra ok give me a min
[12:02] <CaptainMorgan> Jaymac.. my screen went blank.......................
[12:02] <ufk> hiya, i compiled kernel 2.6.14.3 from sources, rebooted and i get lots of errors that it can't find /lib/modules/2.6.14.3/modules.dep, but the file is there. any ideas?
[12:03] <Jaymac> as in sort of whitegrey
[12:03] <senectus> for some reason i have no sound in Gnome but I have sound in GDM... any idea's why?
[12:03] <Jaymac> that is progress
[12:03] <ilba7r> asfra ok look at this link and see what is the support status of your notebook https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportMachinesLaptops
[12:03] <CaptainMorgan> at first - for like a split second... its now stark black and is staying that way
[12:03] <Jaymac> hmm
[12:03] <odat> pc22, then do a search in synaptic for java find the one that says j2re1.4 mozilla plugin and install it and all its dependces
[12:03] <Jaymac> reboot the machine
[12:03] <asfra> ilba7r, thanks alot!!
[12:03] <Jaymac> dont worry nothing we're doing is putting your files at further risk
[12:03] <ilba7r> asfra you are welcomed
[12:04] <burepe2> wildman: I can ping the ip address but not the comps name
[12:04] <wildman> burepe2: then u have DNS bad setup on the network, a quick solution is to add the machine to windows hosts file
[12:04] <ilba7r> duomaxwell how about the running cost of mac. Frankly i went to a mac store to buy one and the guys there did not even know abc how to run even pages
[12:05] <wildman> burepe2: find 'hosts' on windows, open it with notepad and add a line stating the IP and the hostname for the ubuntu machine, save it and try to ping again
[12:05] <ilba7r> duomaxwell i was so frustrated they all have window lol so how come they are sales representatives?
[12:05] <burepe2> How do I do that?
[12:05] <wildman> burepe2: read what I've just wrote
[12:06] <burepe2> oh
[12:06] <burepe2> If I do that and dhcp changes the ip it will be messed right?
[12:06] <Jaymac> yup
[12:06] <redguy|work> burepe2: yup
[12:06] <wildman> yes
[12:06] <redguy|work> hah
[12:06] <Jaymac> :)
[12:07] <wildman> that fix only works for fixed IPs ;)
[12:07] <asolten> redguy|work, I tried "sudo-apt get update"... and install still failed...
[12:07] <wildman> burepe2: ask ur network admin to fix DNS then (if it's u, u'll have to do some reading, I'm no DNS expert either ;))
[12:08] <M4r1u5> hello
[12:08] <ol1> Jaymac: any hints on how to install from an iso image without burning the CD?
[12:08] <DuoMaxwell> ilba7r, I wouldn't exspect the store clearks to know anything in the same way I wouldn't trust the car dealer to know one engine from another
[12:08] <wildman> burepe2: BTW, dhcp allows you to set it up in a way that it always assigns the same IP to a machine (based on the machine's NIC MAC address)
[12:08] <burepe2> I want a static ip, but when I tried to do it the static ip the net and the network got all messed
[12:08] <Jaymac> ol1.. excuse me?
[12:08] <wildman> burepe2: read me above again ;)
[12:08] <M4r1u5> anyone know how to make my gnome like macOS
[12:08] <redguy|work> wildman: if you're the network admin consider using dnsmasq, i'ts pretty easy to configure
[12:09] <CaptainMorgan> Jaymac... Im completely screwed now... I reboot and it does it's thing.. when done.. Im in complete darkness... no terminall. nothing
[12:09] <M4r1u5> including that mac bottom bar and themes
[12:09] <Jaymac> ctrl alt backspace
[12:09] <wildman> anyone remembers my keychain question?
[12:09] <Jaymac> no
[12:09] <wildman> I'll ask it again
[12:09] <DuoMaxwell> ilba7r: best thing to do is experiment, the apple store is very liberal in what you do, when the G5 came out they let me install every application I had to test them out on it
[12:09] <wildman> question: I've added 'keychain' to my ~/.bash_profile to have it ask me for my ssh/gpg passphrases the 1st time I open a terminal window, so I can forget about them later.... but it isn't asking me for my passphrases and each time I try to use ssh I get prompted for it, this wasn't happening in Mandriva2006, any ideas?
[12:09] <wildman> there
[12:09] <ilba7r> duomaxwell the other thing make me wonder is why someone with tiger osx would like to run linux lol. I seen a lot here
[12:10] <CaptainMorgan> ctrl atl backspace does nothing
[12:10] <Jaymac> can you not boot ubuntu in recovery mode?
[12:10] <CaptainMorgan> comps running.... no screet
[12:10] <piyosan> hay algun espaol?
[12:10] <CaptainMorgan> ok... I CAN get to Grub
[12:11] <CaptainMorgan> want me to do that ?
[12:11] <Jaymac> ya
[12:11] <asolten> What programsources should I have under Synaptic... I only seem to have "CD Ubuntu 5.10" Should'nt there be an url?
[12:11] <Jaymac> asolten
[12:11] <Jaymac> there should be several urls
[12:11] <DuoMaxwell> ilba7r, I'm not running tiger, only at 10.2.8. I'm a bit of an electronics handyman and thus asked to fix wintels, I've switched a few to Macs, but not all want to buy a new machine. So I figure my best bet is to learn linux so I can teach them
[12:11] <Jaymac> :)
[12:11] <ilba7r> Yah they did not object when i was playing around with the software. But at least i was expecting better support from them. Window I do not use anymore so i really do not care if a pc run window or not. But running cot performance and stability is number one
[12:11] <liable> err, does ubuntu do apt-setup??
[12:11] <Jaymac> sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:11] <Jaymac> then uncomment all the urls
[12:12] <Sleepwalker> need a prog to open .bin files
[12:12] <Jaymac> then save and sudo apt-get update
[12:12] <Sleepwalker> anny help ??
[12:12] <CaptainMorgan> Jay you talking to me ?
[12:12] <Jaymac> sleepwalker.. why not ./file.bin
[12:12] <asolten> Jaymac, now were getting somwwhere ;)
[12:12] <ilba7r> duomaxwell thanx for all your help and information
[12:12] <Jaymac> sorry that was to asolten CaptainMorgan
[12:12] <CaptainMorgan> which kernel for recovery ? 6 or 5 ?
[12:12] <redguy|work> Sleepwalker: what kind of .bin files?
[12:12] <Jaymac> shouldnt matter
[12:12] <netventure> asolten:
[12:12] <ilba7r> duomaxwell by the way did you know that IBM guys prefer mac lol. I was just reading an article on that
[12:13] <netventure> you can check out Settings -> Repositories in Synaptic
[12:13] <netventure> there is an option to add the universe and multiverse sections
[12:13] <DuoMaxwell> ilba7r: if you wanna try you're had at the comand line in OS X just open terminal under utilities in the applications folder or you can do it hardcore in single user mode by restarting the Mac and holding command s I think
[12:13] <Jaymac> true.. but the command line is more fun :D
[12:14] <CaptainMorgan> not to mention efficient... but some clients want visuals
[12:14] <netventure> jaymac: true
[12:14] <Jaymac> plus it's always handy to do things in the commandline, that way you know what is where and how they are actually working
[12:14] <ol1> Sleepwalker: unzip
[12:15] <CaptainMorgan> why is always hanging at the Starting NIS servics: ypbind Binding to YP server... ?
[12:15] <DuoMaxwell> ilba7r that will boot you to just the darwin BSD terminal with no OS X ontop. IBM should be using Macs, they make the G5 chips lol, it's based off their Power4(?) server chips
[12:15] <Jaymac> Duo
[12:15] <Jaymac> they dont make chips for apple any more
[12:15] <Sleepwalker> that easy oli ?
[12:16] <Sleepwalker> aem ol1
[12:16] <Sleepwalker> :)
[12:16] <ol1> Sleepwalker: yupers.
[12:16] <Sleepwalker> can you zip it back to a bin ??
[12:16] <DuoMaxwell> Jaymac: Since when? How much did I miss since I've been working this job where I have no time?
[12:16] <Sleepwalker> wanna change files inside a bin
[12:16] <Jaymac> apple announced the switch months ago
[12:16] <YukiIkyuta> DuoMaxwell, it's true; the Apple chips are discontinued.
[12:17] <ilba7r> duomaxwell some argued that mac is dieing architect as they will switch to pentium based processors if i remember correctly
[12:17] <DuoMaxwell> Jaymac: What? the switch to intel?
[12:17] <DuoMaxwell> Jayman: those things are still in development, I know a guy running a dev box
[12:17] <Jaymac> http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2005/jun/06intel.html
[12:17] <ol1> Sleepwalker: bins are usually called "self-extracting archives"when I've seen them to download. so just extract it with unzip and then do whatever you want, but use a more creative utility to repack, like bzip or whatever
[12:18] <CaptainMorgan> Jaymac Recovery goes to a blank screen too
[12:18] <ol1> Sleepwalker: you could even use midnight commander if you can figure it out
[12:18] <Jaymac> ol1, can't you just go ./<filename>.bin
[12:18] <Sleepwalker> k thx 4 da help :)
[12:18] <Jaymac> to unpack ti
[12:18] <tuskernini> hi there all, what is wrong if i can not telnet my apache2 server ip port 80 from my command prompt?
[12:18] <asolten> Jaymac, thanks ! now I can find all the packages !
[12:18] <melonipoika> hi all
[12:19] <melonipoika> i have a small problem with my wireless card
[12:19] <Jaymac> asolten, go to the ubuntu forums and search for backports
[12:19] <ol1> Jaymac: I've tried that but it doesn't always work
[12:19] <Jaymac> so you can get packages not supported by the ubuntu team
[12:19] <Jaymac> Captain.. erm
[12:19] <melonipoika> i need to activate it each time i reboot
[12:19] <ilba7r> melonipoika what kind of trouble
[12:19] <Jaymac> you need a live cd
[12:19] <ol1> Jaymac: have you had any success with mc on kernel 2.6?
[12:19] <melonipoika> i have installed it with ndiswrapper, and it is working fine
[12:19] <CaptainMorgan> Jaymac, got one
[12:20] <ilba7r> melonipoika you can open the file /etc/network/interfaces
[12:20] <Jaymac> knoppix
[12:20] <Jaymac> is the best
[12:20] <melonipoika> then i used kwifimanager to configure it
[12:20] <melonipoika> ok, moment
[12:20] <CaptainMorgan> but I tried Ubuntus Live CD... but i couldn't access any of my folder or files
[12:20] <rosen> I have spent a really long time trying to fix my libxml-lixml-perl .. I was told yesterday that there was a guide on the wiki about how I upgrade (or reinstall) it ... but I cannot seem to find it .. any advice or can anyone point me in the right direction ?
[12:20] <ilba7r> melonipoika sudo kwrite /etc/network/interfaces if you have kde
[12:20] <Jaymac> try knoppix
[12:21] <CaptainMorgan> me?
[12:21] <Jaymac> ya
[12:21] <DuoMaxwell> Jayman and YkiIkyuta: like I said, the current chips are still IMB, OSX86-64 is still months off at best, the stuff thats been seen it about as stable as win98 and I'm not talkin' SE
[12:21] <melonipoika> i have gnome, but i isntalled kubuntu-desktop as well, jsut to try
[12:21] <melonipoika> ok, i'm there
[12:21] <asolten> Jaymac, where, what ?? sorry...
[12:21] <Jaymac> hang on asolten
[12:21] <melonipoika> at the end i have auto wlan0
[12:21] <ilba7r> melonipoika ok you should have one and only one auto wlan0
[12:21] <rosen> noone have any idea how I can upgrade or reinstall libxml ?
[12:22] <CaptainMorgan> link ?
[12:22] <lockhead> what's the default username /passwd for webmin?
[12:22] <melonipoika> i have only one auto wlan0, but i also have auto eth0...
[12:22] <ilba7r> melonipoika if you have a line auto eth0 delete or comment it for it is the causing the trouble
[12:22] <melonipoika> ah, ok
[12:22] <ol1> Jaymac: can you install Knoppix from a harddrive?
[12:22] <ilba7r> and leave the lo
[12:23] <CaptainMorgan> How do i know what's live? http://www.knopper.net/knoppix-mirrors/index-en.html
[12:23] <Mr_Milenko> Last time i used knoppix you could install it
[12:23] <Mr_Milenko> yes
[12:23] <dooglus> rosen: what's up?
[12:23] <melonipoika> and how do i configure the wireless with gnome? i had to use kwifimanager to set ad-hoc
[12:23] <rosen> oh hey dooglus ... I'm having problem with libxml-libxml-perl errormessages
[12:23] <melonipoika> i didn't find that option in system, network...
[12:23] <Jaymac> asolten p,
[12:23] <ol1> Jaymac: howbout openBSD?
[12:23] <Jaymac> pm*
[12:23] <munzir> Hi sirs, in synaptic there are many disabled repo. would enabling all of them cause some conflicts?
[12:23] <Jaymac> never used bsd
[12:24] <ilba7r> melonipokia there is one for the network
[12:24] <rosen> dooglus, and then yesterday some fellow advised me to upgrade my libxml using a guide on wiki ... so I searched .. and searched .. and....
[12:24] <dooglus> rosen: what are the messages?
[12:24] <CaptainMorgan> nevermind.. they're all live
[12:24] <ilba7r> give me amin to load the gnome-panel
[12:24] <rosen> dooglus, sec I'll find them again
[12:24] <asolten> Jaymac, p ? I'm a little clueless... hehe
[12:24] <DuoMaxwell> Jayman and YkiIkyuta: Also you guys did know that Intel already has made chips for Apple,l they allong with IBM made G3 chips for things like my current iBook
[12:24] <Jaymac> private ,essahe
[12:25] <ilba7r> melonipokia system>administration>networking and you might run configure
[12:25] <Jaymac> yeah intel have been making apple chips since like 2002 right?
[12:25] <Mr_Milenko> I like tacos
[12:25] <Mr_Milenko> :)
[12:25] <Jaymac> or even before?
[12:25] <Jaymac> asolten, check your private message..
[12:25] <DuoMaxwell> Jayman and YkiIkyuta: I think that was announced in MW '99
[12:25] <Jaymac> ah
[12:25] <melonipoika> yes, it is asking for the essid, wep, and all that... but not for ad-hoc, or managed...
[12:25] <CaptainMorgan> Jaymac which do I download: ftp://csociety-ftp.ecn.purdue.edu/pub/knoppix/ ?
[12:25] <rosen> dooglus, after I use sudo apt-get upgrade for example I get this return
[12:25] <rosen> libxml-sax-perl
[12:25] <rosen>  libxml-libxml-perl
[12:25] <rosen>  libxml-simple-perl
[12:25] <rosen> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[12:26] <asolten> Jaymac, have not gotten one ??
[12:26] <rosen> well and alot of other things :O
[12:26] <ilba7r> melonipokia you have to write managed by hand you are right
[12:26] <melonipoika> should i write that also in interfaces?
[12:26] <dooglus> rosen: are you registered with nickserv?
[12:26] <Mr_Milenko> Captain: Download Knoppix (the distro itself is the live cd) and depending on your computers architecture
[12:26] <melonipoika> ok, so what should i write for ad-hoc?
[12:26] <Mr_Milenko> Id say go with x86 if its listed?
[12:26] <ilba7r> melonipoka but wep key is already there
[12:26] <Jaymac> download the english version of course :)
[12:26] <melonipoika> yes, it is
[12:26] <Mr_Milenko> that too
[12:27] <rosen> dooglus, I'll do that ... now whee did I (mis)place my password
[12:27] <ilba7r> melonipoka am not familiar with adhoc?
[12:27] <Mr_Milenko> Knoppix is awesome CaptainMorgan
[12:27] <Jaymac> asolten.. ok
[12:27] <dooglus> rosen: alternatively, could you put the whole thing on pastebin
[12:27] <Jaymac> how do you use pastebin?
[12:27] <dooglus> !paste
[12:27] <melonipoika> ah, ok
[12:27] <ubotflu> it has been said that paste is please use http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/ or #flood to paste large amounts of text
[12:27] <Mr_Milenko> first live debian based disr besides debian itself that i ever used.. nicely configured too :)
[12:27] <CaptainMorgan> ftp://csociety-ftp.ecn.purdue.edu/pub/knoppix/
[12:27] <CaptainMorgan> which one?
[12:27] <rosen> !paste
[12:27] <CaptainMorgan> there's MaNY
[12:27] <melonipoika> thanks, i will see if i find where to set up ad-hoc by default
[12:27] <redguy|work> Mr_Milenko: there is a debian live cd?
[12:27] <dooglus> rosen: that is a way of asking the bot to tell you the pastebin URL
[12:28] <DuoMaxwell> Jaymac: whats baffeled me is that I remember seeing that Apple and IBM worked with AMD on the Athlon64 and I wouldn't mind seeing a dual core Optron running OS X, hell even Sun is using them
[12:28] <CaptainMorgan> en.iso or en.iso.m5, or ?
[12:28] <Mr_Milenko> not to my knowledge
[12:28] <rosen> dooglus, ah allright I'll try
[12:28] <Mr_Milenko> i ment Knoppix was the first deb based distro i used
[12:28] <redguy|work> CaptainMorgan: what knoppix would do you most propably can do with ubuntu live cd
[12:28] <rosen> !paste
[12:28] <ubotflu> paste is probably please use http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/ or #flood to paste large amounts of text
[12:28] <Mr_Milenko> besides debian itself
[12:28] <Mr_Milenko> redguy: wrong.
[12:29] <Mr_Milenko> Knoppix comes pre-loaded with wine, extra tools for system repair, couple games
[12:29] <CaptainMorgan> I tried Ubuntu LIve - I can't access any of my files
[12:29] <CaptainMorgan> or the net
[12:29] <Mr_Milenko> and a bunch of other stuff
[12:29] <Mr_Milenko> also knoppix auto-mounts harddrives
[12:29] <Mr_Milenko> :D
[12:29] <Mr_Milenko> good system restore cd
[12:29] <redguy|work> Mr_Milenko: oh.. didn't use the ubuntu live cd...
[12:29] <Jaymac> asolten check pastebin
[12:29] <Mr_Milenko> yeah.. ubuntu live is just the basic ubuntu install on a cd
[12:29] <Mr_Milenko> :(
[12:29] <redguy|work> Mr_Milenko: thought that ubuntu would auto mount harddrives too
[12:30] <rosen> dooglus, I pasted it all in #flood
[12:30] <Mr_Milenko> didnt for me i might be wrong
[12:30] <rosen> dooglus, I think this   Can't locate object method "save_parsers_debian" via package "XML::SAX" at /usr/bin/update-perl-sax-parsers line 90.    is the first error
[12:30] <dooglus> rosen: that's no good if I'm not there at the time, like I wasn't...
[12:30] <ilba7r> captainMorgan i am not sure if your filesystem is mounted when you use livecd
[12:30] <bigfoot1> guys, how can i view windows media movie files and apple quicktime movie files within firefox 1.5?
[12:30] <rosen> dooglus, heheh
[12:30] <Jaymac> I have to run... need food
[12:30] <dooglus> I'm there now though.  could you paste againn?
[12:30] <CaptainMorgan> omg... 2hour download!? WTF
[12:30] <Jaymac> bigfoot.. .mov and linux dont play well
[12:30] <Mr_Milenko> Knoppix auto mounts file systems
[12:31] <ilba7r> captainMorgan and if you are using a wireless than most probably you need a ndiswrapper
[12:31] <Mr_Milenko> it scans on boot for harddrives
[12:31] <bigfoot1> Jaymac, i can play .mov files if i download them first
[12:31] <Jaymac> gotta riun, good luc Catai Morgan
[12:31] <Jaymac> i can play them in xine
[12:31] <Jaymac> but not in browser
[12:31] <asolten> Jaymac, I'm really sorry but im quite a newbie... I don't know what you mean : pastebin or backports?
[12:31] <Jaymac> !paste
[12:31] <ubotflu> it has been said that paste is please use http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/ or #flood to paste large amounts of text
[12:31] <ilba7r> captainMorgan or a softmodem so you will need special driver which is not included in the base installation
[12:31] <Jaymac> go to that url asolten
[12:31] <Jaymac> and search for my name
[12:31] <dooglus> rosen: I'm wondering if this is because you installed some of the Perl modules manually.
[12:31] <CaptainMorgan> ndiswrapper/???? will you people please make up your mind? was I needed madwifi for my atheros
[12:32] <ilba7r> captainMorgan sorry did not know you have atheros
[12:32] <Mr_Milenko> this channel gets confusing... just reading stuff in here makes me pop a couple tylenol lol
[12:32] <CaptainMorgan> Mr_Milenko!h ahaah!
[12:32] <CaptainMorgan> On my fourth valium
[12:32] <CaptainMorgan> already
[12:32] <Mr_Milenko> rofl
[12:32] <rosen> dooglus, I dont think I did.. I only used synaptic, automatix and the mail-script to install anything
[12:33] <Mr_Milenko> i slipped on some ice the other day... broke my ass (litterally)
[12:33] <Mr_Milenko> :-/
[12:33] <Mr_Milenko> doc gave me some vics
[12:33] <Mr_Milenko> muahaha
[12:33] <Mr_Milenko> anyone.. back on topic
[12:33] <rosen> but I got the same error when I installed checkgmail
[12:33] <Mr_Milenko> anyway*
[12:33] <dooglus> rosen: you told me before that you started working through the first post at the ubuntuforums site, running stuff like "libxml-libxml-perl"
[12:33] <dooglus> um.
[12:33] <dooglus> stuff like "sudo perl -MCPAN -e 'install XML::Simple'"
[12:33] <Jaymac> one thing before i go
[12:33] <Jaymac> captain, got any other computers running linux?
[12:33] <CaptainMorgan> no
[12:34] <Jaymac> forget that idea then
[12:34] <CaptainMorgan> linux comp is my main comp
[12:34] <Jaymac> i'll be back in a while.. hope you get it sorted
[12:34] <_null> How do I build debian packages?
[12:34] <rosen> dooglus, no, I tried to find a guide on wiki but I could only find short posts about xml that I didnt understand at all
[12:35] <rhubear> Anyone running Ubuntu successfully on SMP (OPteron)??
[12:35] <CaptainMorgan> going on three days.... almost straight... all i wanted to do was fix the wifi.... but noooooooo. I completely fook up my whole system rendering it inoperable...
[12:35] <rosen> dooglus, the only thing I could have done to screw anything up I think is playing with the repositories and I got the error before that aswell
[12:36] <bimberi> ubotflu tell _null about packaging
[12:36] <dooglus> rosen: did you not say: 02:25 < rosen> this is the command that's giving me issues 02:25 < rosen> sudo perl -MCPAN -e 'install XML::Simple'
[12:36] <ilba7r> captinmorgan i do not know your hardware but had similar problem can you connect to the net through a wired interface eth
[12:36] <asolten> Jaymac, I finaly found it thanks!
[12:37] <CaptainMorgan> liba - no
[12:37] <rosen> dooglus, ooh but thats a line from the checkgmail script isnt it ?
[12:37] <CaptainMorgan> I can't even can a screen - it's black
[12:37] <CaptainMorgan> cant' even get a screen...
[12:37] <DuoMaxwell> Whats the difference between the Gentoo Universal install CD and the package CD? The package CD just apps?
[12:37] <rosen> dooglus, I havent really done anything but copy/pasting at this time ... since I have no idea what I'm doing :P
[12:38] <ilba7r> captinmorgan did you play with the kernel modules>
[12:38] <dooglus> rosen: that's a line from the forum about how to install checkgmail - but it's stupid.  you should use apt-get to install stuff, not "sudo perl -MCPAN".  That's what I tried to point out in my followup post.
[12:38] <CaptainMorgan> liba.. not that I recall... I only wanted to upgrade to breezy
[12:39] <rosen> ooh
[12:39] <CaptainMorgan> so what can I do with the live cd - ubuntus.... I can't access any files... nor can I get net access like I could before
[12:39] <ilba7r> captinmorgan so you have an installation cd or just the live one
[12:39] <aftertaf> check out the gfx driver too.....
[12:39] <aftertaf> if x is all black.
[12:40] <rosen> dooglus, so I could use sudo apt-get 'install XML: :Simple' .... or something ?
[12:40] <aftertaf> anyone know why my icons are rendered horrible and not drawn right in dapper, nameny synaptic, maybe in other gtk apps too.
[12:40] <dooglus> rosen: I'm not entirely sure what those "sudo perl -MCPAN" lines have done, and how to undo them.
[12:40] <munzir> Sirs, where can I find an explanation of what each repository means?
[12:40] <rosen> dooglus, that sounds ... bad :D
[12:40] <dooglus> rosen: and I don't know Dutch, so I'm finding it hard to read your #paste messages
[12:41] <CaptainMorgan> so what can I do with the live cd - ubuntus.... I can't access any files... nor can I get net access like I could before
[12:41] <ilba7r> captinmorgan if i am in your place i will just reinstall
[12:41] <CaptainMorgan> trying to... but I need to access the dat
[12:41] <CaptainMorgan> to backup
[12:41] <rosen> dooglus, yeah I should have installed with english it would make the guides much easier aswell
[12:41] <CaptainMorgan> first
[12:41] <aftertaf> CaptainMorgan:  what is your gfx card?
[12:41] <hmpedersen> How do i set, which program handles which files?
[12:41] <rosen> dooglus, oh and it's danish ;)
[12:41] <CaptainMorgan> I tried cdrecord when wasn't black..
[12:41] <wildman> keychain, here we go again
[12:41] <CaptainMorgan> when X wasn't black
[12:41] <wildman> why doesn't keychain ask me for passphrases?????
[12:41] <redguy|work> CaptainMorgan: how about running dpkg-reconfigure -p medium xserver-xorg ?
[12:41] <CaptainMorgan> but cdrecord did shit
[12:41] <wildman> this is plain wrong...
[12:42] <dooglus> rosen: what does "sudo apt-get -f install" tell you?
[12:42] <CaptainMorgan> red i can't accessa  terminal
[12:42] <wildman> I've deleted ~/.keychain, and running keychain again tells me initializing blablabla... but NEVER asks me for passphrases
[12:42] <wildman> any ideas?
[12:42] <CaptainMorgan> the screens black
[12:42] <aftertaf> CaptainMorgan:  can you press Alt+F? or ctl+alt+F ?
[12:42] <rosen> dooglus, exactly the same message
[12:42] <ilba7r_> captinmorgan you have an installtion cd sorry i was dc
[12:42] <redguy|work> CaptainMorgan: even when you hit what aftertaf said?
[12:43] <ilba7r_> if you have one just either reinstall or try typing rescue at the boot line
[12:43] <CaptainMorgan> ... well. now Im doing the live again.. see what happens
[12:43] <aftertaf> ilba7r_:  a live cd it seems.
[12:43] <ilba7r_> will give you a rescue mode
[12:43] <dragoon> whats your problem CaptainMorgan ?
[12:43] <CaptainMorgan> will I lose data ?
[12:43] <aftertaf> CaptainMorgan:  when it boots and then goes black, try swapping consoles with ctl+alt+F1
[12:43] <ilba7r_> ubuntu should be able to install from livecd like mepis
[12:44] <CaptainMorgan> how come I can't access my data using a live cd ?
[12:44] <ilba7r_> captinmorgan do not format anything and you will not loose anything
[12:44] <rosen> dooglus, I have been pondering to reinstall my box though, and NOT use automatix and all the other scripts to install my programs... since I really dont learn much from pasting scripts and such
[12:44] <CaptainMorgan> lib, not planning on it ;)
[12:44] <dragoon> CaptainMorgan: whats your problem ?
[12:44] <ilba7r_> captainmorgan the live cd do not mount your harddisk.
[12:44] <redguy|work> ilba7r_: well it can, there's the ubuntu live + install dvd
[12:45] <CaptainMorgan> lib, how do I moutn it
[12:45] <CaptainMorgan> sorry. dragoon... what isn't my problem?
[12:45] <dragoon> CaptainMorgan: whats your problem ?
[12:45] <dragoon> heh
[12:45] <dragoon> whats broken - everything ?
[12:45] <CaptainMorgan> X won't start, I can't get a command line
[12:45] <ilba7r_> depend on your configuration do you remember how did you partition your harddisk
[12:45] <dragoon> oh great
[12:45] <dragoon> why not boot from a ubuntu live cd
[12:45] <dragoon> mount your stuff
[12:46] <dragoon> and copy what you need to another partition
[12:46] <dragoon> then reinstall ?
[12:46] <CaptainMorgan> Im on  alive cd now... how do I mount?
[12:46] <dragoon> open a terminal
[12:46] <CaptainMorgan> got one
[12:46] <dragoon> sudo mount /dev/hda1 /media/hda1
[12:46] <dragoon> mkdir /media/hda1 1st
[12:46] <dragoon> wel.. what ever the drive is that your mounting
[12:47] <senectus> ESD has shagged itself on my PC because I swapped my mainboard and yanked the old SBLive! I had, is there some way to completly reconfigure ESD?
[12:47] <dooglus> rosen: that's a good idea.
[12:47] <vbgunz> Anybody know why Samba continues to ask for a password for a Windows share that does not require one? Also, why does Samba ask for a password when I go to > Places > Network Servers? I do not need passwords for these and Samba is spamming me... Why?
[12:47] <aftertaf> dpkg-reconfigure? senectus
[12:47] <dooglus> rosen: I've seen lots of people suggest NOT using automatix
[12:47] <CaptainMorgan> moutn point media doens' exit
[12:47] <CaptainMorgan> exist
[12:47] <dragoon> mkdir /media/
[12:47] <dragoon> mkdir /media/hda1
[12:47] <ElitePete> can anyone help me my .wma files show up as asf video?
[12:47] <dooglus> rosen: I just read that there's no way of uninstalling packages installed using CPAN ( http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2005-February/077623.html )
[12:48] <rosen> dooglus, that's what I'm thinking.. It's all those little tasks it performs I should have learned from doing
[12:48] <CaptainMorgan> permission denied
[12:48] <dragoon> sudo before it
[12:48] <fireside> its tanya how does this thing work someone tell me
[12:48] <wildman> sudo mkdir /media/hda{1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10}
[12:48] <dooglus> rosen: I'm not sure about it - a lot of the tasks are stupid little things you only need to do once anyway.
[12:48] <wildman> for example ;)
[12:48] <CaptainMorgan> filesytem type ?
[12:49] <wildman> will cover the 1st 10 partitions for hda :P
[12:49] <dooglus> rosen: they would be included in the default install if it wasn't for legal reasons
[12:49] <dragoon> CaptainMorgan: whats your / partition drive ?
[12:49] <dragoon> well partition
[12:49] <CaptainMorgan> uh.... Win for 50gigs... Linux takes the rest for 25
[12:49] <dragoon> so linux would be /dev/hda2 ?
[12:49] <senectus> ESD has shagged itself on my PC because I swapped my mainboard and yanked the old SBLive! I had, is there some way to completly reconfigure ESD?
[12:50] <rosen> dooglus, oh it's just because I find it hard to 'get a foot in the door' ... And now I've tried running linux so there is really no turning back to windows... I wanna learn :O
[12:50] <CaptainMorgan> isn't there a command to list the partitions ?
[12:50] <YukiIkyuta> CaptainMorgan, mount
[12:50] <dragoon> fdisk -l
[12:50] <fireside> are yous safe lets do a bit ov chattin now lads
[12:50] <aftertaf> senectus:  try using dpkg-reconfigure
[12:51] <DuoMaxwell> Ubuntu don't work so what one should I try next as a linux newb? http://www.frozentech.com/content/livecd.php?pick=Linux_PPC&showonly=All&sort=&sm=1
[12:51] <YukiIkyuta> DuoMaxwell, how doesn't Ubuntu work?
[12:51] <CaptainMorgan> mount's no help..
[12:51] <dragoon> CaptainMorgan: fdisk -l
[12:51] <dragoon> sudo fdisk -l
[12:51] <senectus> aftertaf, aparently dpkg-reconfigure doesn't see "esd" as an app it can reconfigure
[12:51] <DuoMaxwell> can't get my iBook te see it as a bootable volume
[12:52] <rosen> DuoMaxwell, I've tried most of the distros out there, but I gotta say ... Ubuntu is the only one that have lasted more than a few days ;)
[12:52] <aftertaf> what is the package name?
[12:52] <senectus> aftertaf, esd
[12:52] <fireside> what the hell u lot chattin on about
[12:52] <aftertaf> gstreamer0.8-esd , libesd-alsa0
[12:52] <YukiIkyuta> fireside, Ubuntu, would you believe.
[12:53] <aftertaf> senectus:  try dpkg -l | grep esd
[12:53] <ElitePete> can anyone help me my .wma files show up as asf video?
[12:53] <DuoMaxwell> Rosen: Project one for me is to get any non apple OS to boot on this thing outside of emulation, then try and install
[12:53] <YukiIkyuta> ElitePete, wma files are audio only.
[12:53] <ElitePete> yes i know yuki.
[12:53] <hmpedersen> Can ne1 help me get my music to open in xmms by default?
[12:53] <Astxist> ElitePete, probably are asf then
[12:53] <YukiIkyuta> So how an ASF video ..?
[12:53] <ElitePete> but they wont play in xmms and they have the asf icon.
[12:53] <ElitePete> ast, they are WMA.
[12:53] <YukiIkyuta> Oh.
[12:53] <CaptainMorgan> supposedly I mounted it.. .but I can't access it's media directory/
[12:53] <YukiIkyuta> OH*.
[12:53] <senectus> aftertaf, that gave me several lines of stuff.. what's it mean?
[12:53] <YukiIkyuta> -ahem-
[12:53] <YukiIkyuta> Sorry.
[12:53] <CaptainMorgan> permission denide
[12:53] <CaptainMorgan> even after sudo
[12:53] <fireside> whos yukiikyuta its tanya from fireside
[12:54] <rosen> DuoMaxwell, aaaah ... I really dont know nothing about apple computers ... just like most of the talk inhere is jibberish to me ;)
[12:54] <aftertaf> senectus:  dpkg -l lists the packages installed, the grp bit filters to show only those with esd in the name.
[12:54] <Fujitsu> fireside, this is the Ubuntu Linux support channel.
[12:54] <YukiIkyuta> fireside, I don't know who or what that is.
[12:54] <ElitePete> i can play them in totem movie player. but they are audio only obviously, how do i play them in xmms ?
[12:54] <Astxist> ElitePete, k can't say I have any wma audio files to test it for you
[12:54] <CaptainMorgan> k wiat...
[12:54] <CaptainMorgan> I mounted the wrong partition
[12:54] <rosen> hehehe
[12:54] <DuoMaxwell> rosen: I know how you fell, I'm seeing that now
[12:54] <ElitePete> i will figure it out after school today i guess then
[12:54] <CaptainMorgan> in media/sda2 is windows
[12:55] <senectus> aftertaf, ok.. so dpkg-reconfigure all those and that might help?
[12:55] <rosen> DuoMaxwell, but really ... this is the best place to get help... and Ubuntu is (in general) MUCH easier to comprehend than the other distros I've tried
[12:55] <aftertaf> senectus:  try the one that most seems like the actual package and not a plugin....
[12:55] <fireside> fireside is a place where we just sign on and chat what the hell is a support channel what do you lot do
[12:55] <Astxist> ElitePete, tried using open with?
[12:55] <aftertaf> senectus:  sudo dpkg-reconfigure ;)
[12:56] <YukiIkyuta> fireside, this is a channel (place where people talk) to help people if they're having problems using Ubuntu.
[12:56] <aftertaf> fireside:  you are in an official support channel for ubuntu, this is not a chat room
[12:56] <CaptainMorgan> o... I successfully mounted that bad ass mofo linux partition.. I can access files...
[12:56] <CaptainMorgan> now what?
[12:56] <ElitePete> astxist yes
[12:56] <senectus> aftertaf, thanks, need to reboot I think
[12:57] <fireside> i know that now and im laughing my face off sorry but i still dont get what ubuntu is someone tell me
[12:57] <YukiIkyuta> fireside, http://www.ubuntulinux.org
[12:57] <Hobbsee> !ubuntu
[12:57] <ubotflu> it has been said that ubuntu is an easy-to-use GNU/Linux desktop distro based on Debian.  http://ubuntu.com http://ubuntuforums.org http://wiki.ubuntu.com. It means 'Humanity to others'. see !awards
[12:57] <dragoon> CaptainMorgan: capy them where u want
[12:57] <ElitePete> !awards
[12:57] <ubotflu> methinks awards is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubunturocks
[12:57] <bigfoot1> guys, how can i view windows media movie files and apple quicktime movie files within firefox 1.5?
[12:57] <Jaymac> captain morgan.. YAY
[12:57] <CaptainMorgan> ubuntu is a secret African tribe that bites the heads off of people who ask what is it
[12:58] <senectus> CaptainMorgan, dork :-)
[12:58] <CaptainMorgan> copy them where I want?
[12:58] <YukiIkyuta> :)
[12:58] <Hobbsee> haha
[12:58] <CaptainMorgan> im in the live cd
[12:58] <DuoMaxwell> rosen: I've tried a few live CDs on x86, Mandrake move, Damn Small, Helix and Linspire 5-0 Live, Linspire I actually liked
[12:58] <rosen> ...I'm going to do it ! ... start from scratch with a clean slate ! ... be back a little later ... probably crying about how everything is too confusing and nothing works :D
[12:58] <alexandre> Hear Ye, good people! Can anyone help me with a screen resolution problem? I just installed Ubuntu on my work computer and resolution is 800x600 60Hz and can't be set higher once I'm logged in. Where can I possibly set this all up?
[12:58] <ilba7r_> bgfoot1 install mozilla-mplyaer plugin
[12:58] <Astxist> ElitePete, ok I'm looking into it
[12:58] <ElitePete> DuoMaxwell i used to like linspire
[12:58] <rosen> DuoMaxwell, I've only messed with debian, redhat, mandrake and SuSe
[12:58] <aftertaf> CaptainMorgan:  then reboot to linux and see if you can get to console with terminal swapping.... alternatively, try  pressing alt+f1 on boot, when it gets to starting gdm....
[12:59] <fireside> captain morgan your lyeing its not a tribe that bites the heads off people and its tanya that as asked
[12:59] <hara> hello. any packagebuilder experts around/alive here?
[12:59] <Kaobear> I feel retarded, I have been trying to get sound to work on my computer for three days and don't have anymore done than when i started
[12:59] <ElitePete> ive tried almost every linux distro, ubuntu is like the only one i will install
[12:59] <dooglus> aftertaf: control-alt-f1 I think you mean
[12:59] <aftertaf> alexandre:  edit your xorg.conf
[12:59] <CaptainMorgan> aftertaf you mean like replace every file in live with the partitions files... then reboot?
[12:59] <rosen> Anyways, I'll reinstall my my box ... and pray for the best
[12:59] <ElitePete> Kaobear in terminal, type alsamixer
[12:59] <aftertaf> dooglus:  yeah, depends if x has blocked at that point or not.
[12:59] <DuoMaxwell> rosen: from what I gather you can't get the Linspire live CD anymore as it was a promo for them, but if you'd like it I can send you the .iso
[01:00] <fireside> morgan did u jus get my last message
[01:00] <CaptainMorgan> nah
[01:00] <aftertaf> CaptainMorgan:  no!!!!
[01:00] <rosen> DuoMaxwell, nah I'm ok with Ubuntu .. now I just have to learn how to use it :) thanks for the offer though
[01:00] <CaptainMorgan> ?
[01:00] <CaptainMorgan> please clarify aftertaf
[01:00] <alexandre> aftertaf: Thanks, I'm having a peek in there right now. Let's see what I can get out of this file... ;-)
[01:00] <Astxist> ElitePete, here you go http://ubuntuguide.org/#xmms
[01:00] <fireside> i said it was tanya that was askin and its not a tribe that bites the heads off people seriously what is it
[01:01] <ElitePete> ty astxist
[01:01] <aftertaf> CaptainMorgan:  2 things being advised:  1) how to access some files to make a backup  ,  2) how to get around the black screen on boot
[01:01] <CaptainMorgan> fireside, you must really want your head to disappear
[01:01] <CaptainMorgan> ah....
[01:01] <Jaymac> captain, how's it going?
[01:01] <aftertaf> fireside:  quit wasting time
[01:01] <CaptainMorgan> now I see ya aftertaf
[01:01] <CaptainMorgan> yooou
[01:01] <aftertaf> CaptainMorgan:  :] 
[01:01] <CaptainMorgan> you...
[01:01] <fireside> well iof it makes u feel better take my head
[01:02] <ElitePete> astxist unfortunatly none of that information applies to me....
[01:02] <CaptainMorgan> in the words of robert Deniro:... you.... you... yo're god
[01:02] <YukiIkyuta> fireside, Ubuntu is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/
[01:02] <CaptainMorgan> good
[01:02] <aftertaf> CaptainMorgan:  the mount thing you did gives you access to your hard drive, if you want to copy some files to another partition now is the time.
[01:02] <Jaymac> who is god?
[01:02] <YukiIkyuta> fireside, see the next message from ubotflu, too.
[01:02] <YukiIkyuta> !ubuntu
[01:02] <ubotflu> rumour has it, ubuntu is an easy-to-use GNU/Linux desktop distro based on Debian.  http://ubuntu.com http://ubuntuforums.org http://wiki.ubuntu.com. It means 'Humanity to others'. see !awards
[01:02] <Jaymac> knoppix work?
[01:02] <Kaobear> nothing, no sound at all
[01:02] <ElitePete> Kaobear have you done alsamixer in terminal yet?
[01:03] <Kaobear> yes I did, jacked all the volumes up and got squat
[01:03] <CaptainMorgan> aftertaf, why not make backup of the files.. and reinstall? or can I send the data on the linux partion to Win ?
[01:03] <Kaobear> I have an onboard Realtek ALC 880 chipset if that makes a different
[01:03] <fireside> ubotflu u not speaking no sense to me
[01:03] <ubotflu> Wish i knew, fireside
[01:03] <fireside> stop calling me fireside its tanya
[01:03] <ElitePete> kaobear i have that same chip.
[01:03] <alexandre> aftertaf: Apparently, my screen is detected as "generic monitor" and a list of resolutions only shows 800x600. Is there a tool I can use to have my screen detected? Or something else I should do?
[01:03] <aftertaf> CaptainMorgan:  send to win, you can, you'll need to mount the win partition too. but on the black screen thing, have you tried to swap to another terminal at any point?
[01:03] <ElitePete> do you see the volume icon toolbar?
[01:03] <YukiIkyuta> fireside, your nickname is set to fireside, therefore that's what we're going to call you.
[01:04] <fireside> u lot are mad
[01:04] <aftertaf> alexandre:  add "1024x768" as an option in xorg.conf. for the screen, it doesnt actually matter iirc
[01:04] <ElitePete> fireside if you are going to insult us please go jump off a cliff
[01:04] <Hobbsee> fireside: i dont think this channel was the one you were looking for
[01:04] <CaptainMorgan> nah.. right now.. Ill Win won't mind that I temporarily store Lin there ?
[01:04] <CaptainMorgan> Pete, Fireside( tanya) wants to give me head
[01:05] <aftertaf> !op
[01:05] <ubotflu> parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, aftertaf
[01:05] <fireside> yer u right there but now im on this channel i want to know what yous lot do
[01:05] <aftertaf> !ops
[01:05] <ubotflu> Help! seb128, bob2, fabbione, lamont, thom, Keybuk, jdub, mdz, Amaranth, tritium, ajmitch, crimsun, ogra, CarlK, Seveas, Burgundavia, apokryphos, thoreauputic or nalioth
[01:05] <Astxist> ElitePete, I installed the package and wma plays fine in XMMS now
[01:05] <CaptainMorgan> base jumping - not yet
[01:05] <ElitePete> ast it doesn't for me :\
[01:05] <Kaobear> The only sound I get is the system beep
[01:05] <CaptainMorgan> !ops
[01:05] <ubotflu> Help! seb128, bob2, fabbione, lamont, thom, Keybuk, jdub, mdz, Amaranth, tritium, ajmitch, crimsun, ogra, CarlK, Seveas, Burgundavia, apokryphos, thoreauputic or nalioth
[01:05] <CaptainMorgan> !ops
[01:05] <Hobbsee> of course, the ops are probably all asleep lol
[01:05] <YukiIkyuta> CaptainMorgan, once should be enough. :)
[01:05] <ElitePete> well i gotta go to school
[01:05] <Kaobear> the volume is all the way up
[01:06] <fireside> give your self head morgan
[01:06] <CaptainMorgan> shut up ubotflu
[01:06] <Astxist> ElitePete, don't know then maybe you have something else wrong with xmms
[01:06] <CaptainMorgan> fireside, wouldn't be here if I could!
[01:06] <Astxist> ElitePete, I'm guessing it plays other audio files fine?
[01:06] <YukiIkyuta> fireside, we are a support channel for Ubuntu Linux. End of story. If you want to find out more, and not insult us, go here: http://ubuntulinux.org/ Otherwise, you won't find anything of interest.
[01:06] <ElitePete> yes
[01:06] <CaptainMorgan> aftertaf where'd ya go?
[01:06] <ElitePete> astxist i really must leave but thx for the help
[01:07] <Astxist> ElitePete, k
[01:07] <fireside> oh so what is it exactly what u do morgan
[01:07] <DuoMaxwell> Any recomendations?
[01:07] <DuoMaxwell> http://www.frozentech.com/content/livecd.php?pick=Linux_PPC&showonly=All&sort=&sm=1
[01:07] <aftertaf> CaptainMorgan:  id suggest you try booting again first... normally no need to reinstall, so no need to abckup.
[01:07] <MrBlunts> hello everyone
[01:07] <aftertaf> fireside:  will you PACK IT IN?
[01:07] <fireside> pack what in
[01:07] <CaptainMorgan> aftertaf - Ill pack IT in her
[01:08] <YukiIkyuta> Tanya, if you watch what most of us doing right now, you can see.
[01:08] <fireside> morgan u bad
[01:08] <CaptainMorgan> aftertaf.. so what was the point of mounting then?
[01:08] <CaptainMorgan> just to see if I can access the files ?
[01:08] <aftertaf> CaptainMorgan:  for the backups......
[01:08] <CaptainMorgan> so now ou want me to reboot?
[01:09] <aftertaf> CaptainMorgan:  i'd like to try a reboot first to see if you can get around the X problem..... but first....
[01:09] <CaptainMorgan> but you said no need for the backup
[01:09] <aftertaf> CaptainMorgan:  can you edit your xorg.conf file in /etc/X11 ?
[01:09] <fireside> but what does it mean what you lot are writing down
[01:09] <aftertaf> CaptainMorgan:  i wasnt the one who told you to backup and reinstall.
[01:09] <YukiIkyuta> Tanya, some people are having some issues with using Ubuntu, and they ask for help here. Most of the time, they get it from other people, also here.
[01:09] <MrBlunts> quite helpful channel actually
[01:10] <CaptainMorgan> hey aftertaf..
[01:10] <CaptainMorgan> uhm..
[01:10] <Chousuke> CaptainMorgan: I really wonder what's wrong with your machine :/
[01:10] <Chousuke> can you ping stuff while in console?
[01:10] <fireside> oh so ubuntu means there having trouble wiv there computer
[01:10] <CaptainMorgan> this is probably bad...you think? - I went to the X11 dir... there is no xorg.conf file
[01:10] <aftertaf> CaptainMorgan:  i think you can reboot and solve the problem. after an upgrade to breezy and X wont start you need to reconfigure xorg
[01:10] <Chousuke> fireside: that's not english
[01:11] <CaptainMorgan> usllay there's more in X11... but Im missing like half of my files
[01:11] <fireside> what do u mean its not english
[01:11] <YukiIkyuta> Tanya, no, not at all. If you please look here: http://ubuntulinux.org/ , you can see what Ubuntu is - a free Operating System, like Windows.
[01:11] <YukiIkyuta> (like Windows, except that it's free, and better!)
[01:11] <Chousuke> fireside: I meant it made no sense ;P
[01:11] <CaptainMorgan> tanya, take my hand - ill show you the way
[01:11] <aftertaf> fireside:  You are not in the least amusing, just pointless
[01:11] <fireside> oh so its not an african tribe then
[01:11] <YukiIkyuta> No.
[01:11] <CaptainMorgan> this is probably bad...you think? - I went to the X11 dir... there is no xorg.conf file
[01:12] <CaptainMorgan> usllay there's more in X11... but Im missing like half of my files
[01:12] <DuoMaxwell> That and you have to pay for windows, weither you want it or not from a store machine lol
[01:12] <aftertaf> CaptainMorgan:  ok so you need to get the install finished in console.
[01:12] <Chousuke> CaptainMorgan: when you installed ubuntu, did you partition separate space for Ubuntu and your files?
[01:12] <YukiIkyuta> Though it may be in the future... (if I have anything to do with it()
[01:12] <aftertaf> CaptainMorgan:  did you upgtrade from hoary, or from warty...?
[01:12] <CaptainMorgan> hoary
[01:12] <MrBlunts> by people for people in figurative terms
[01:12] <Chousuke> CaptainMorgan: are you on ubuntu right now? no?
[01:12] <CaptainMorgan> partition spearate space AND files ?
[01:12] <CaptainMorgan> yes
[01:12] <CaptainMorgan> live cd
[01:12] <fireside> ok  just one last thing i think u lot are good on computers to understand all them numbers and lines and that
[01:12] <Chousuke> oh. hmm
[01:12] <CaptainMorgan> mounted harddrive
[01:12] <Kaobear> According to what I have read, I have to uddate my ALSA drivers, I think
[01:13] <Kaobear> Any idea on how to do this?
[01:13] <CaptainMorgan> aftef installl finsihed ?
[01:13] <Chousuke> CaptainMorgan: I mean, are your files on a separate partition than Ubuntu?
[01:13] <YukiIkyuta> Kaobear, ALSA is typically in the kernel.
[01:13] <CaptainMorgan> can't I copy the livecd xorg.conf to the mounted X11 dir?
[01:13] <Kaobear> Eww?
[01:13] <CaptainMorgan> no chousuke
[01:13] <YukiIkyuta> Yep. Where have you read that, though?
[01:13] <Chousuke> too bad :/
[01:13] <CaptainMorgan> they're in ubuntu
[01:13] <aftertaf> CaptainMorgan:  can you try to boot and use the console swapping to get a console login? if so you can try a couple of commands.
[01:13] <fireside> yukiIkyuta are u cinese
[01:14] <Chousuke> CaptainMorgan: if you had a separate partition for the files, you could just wipe your system without touching your files
[01:14] <aftertaf> CaptainMorgan:  you'll need to write them down if you cant access the net in console, or irc
[01:14] <YukiIkyuta> Tanya, no. YukiIkyuta is a Japanese name, however.
[01:14] <Kaobear> just a sec, i'll get you the page
[01:14] <aftertaf> fireside:  how old are you?
[01:14] <YukiIkyuta> Tanya, I have no doubts some people here are in fact Chinese.
[01:14] <CaptainMorgan> wait.. please clarify
[01:14] <CaptainMorgan> what should I do?
[01:14] <fireside> same en it can u get into trouble for chattin top me
[01:14] <YukiIkyuta> Hobbsee, only problem with /ignoring is that it gets confusing when others start replying to no-one. o_O
[01:14] <DuoMaxwell> I can't find the damn thing, I wanna try this Gentoo PPC LiveCD but I can't find it anywhere on their site for download, theres mention of it but no .iso
[01:14] <CaptainMorgan> first, reboot and try console swapping?
[01:14] <Hobbsee> YukiIkyuta: hehe, that is true
[01:15] <YukiIkyuta> Tanya, this isn't true; a Chinese person outside of China could do so. I'm not sure about inside China.
[01:15] <aftertaf> CaptainMorgan:  yes... you should try that.... but first note down how to, if you dont know how....
[01:15] <CaptainMorgan> no worries
[01:15] <CaptainMorgan> IMon a second comp
[01:15] <aftertaf> CaptainMorgan:  and note the commands to try... can you get on the net or not in console?
[01:15] <ilba7r_> duomaxwell i won't recommend gentoo as first linux distribution. It will take you days to get running system. Its harder then debian
[01:15] <fireside> u did not answer my question could u get into trouble chattin to me
[01:15] <aftertaf> CaptainMorgan:  hehe ojk ;=)
[01:15] <CaptainMorgan> my main machine is the one havin gproblems
[01:15] <CaptainMorgan> ..so Ill reboot now
[01:15] <YukiIkyuta> That was a question?
[01:16] <YukiIkyuta> Why would I get in trouble, though?
[01:16] <fireside> yer
[01:16] <Kaobear> YukiIkyuta, i think http://www.alsa-project.org/documentation.php is where I got it
[01:16] <DuoMaxwell> wanna grab a bunch of liveCDs for PPC while I sleep to see if any of them will boot this damn thing
[01:16] <fireside> i dont know aint u in some sort ov office i mean your friends are moaning ent they
[01:16] <YukiIkyuta> Kaobear, okay, but which reason in particular?
[01:17] <YukiIkyuta> Tanya, .. what? I'm at home.
[01:17] <CaptainMorgan> what's the command for console swapping? alt-f1...
[01:17] <DuoMaxwell> ilba7r, its past my bedtime, I'm getting to impatient for doing, well anything lol
[01:17] <aftertaf> CaptainMorgan:  yes
[01:17] <fireside> well thats what i mean yuki i dont understand about this thing
[01:18] <hara> how can i change the target host type when building a package? i'm on athlonxp1800 and dpkg-buildpackage wants to build for i486
[01:18] <Kaobear> I have no sound whatsoever except the system beep and that is all that is from keeping me from using Ubuntu as my main OS
[01:18] <ilba7r_> duomaxwell look at this forum specially for mac http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=95
[01:18] <Chousuke> Kaobear: which soundcard do you have?
[01:18] <YukiIkyuta> Tanya, this is just a channel, an online chat room, but this has been designed for use as a support channel where people can come to get help. People all over the world are here, some from home, some from work, wherever!
[01:18] <CaptainMorgan> ubuntu is mean... it's an old Native American Indian tale of a giant bear.. one bigger than a Grizzly
[01:18] <Kaobear> Chousuke an onboard Realtek ALC 880 chipset
[01:19] <Chousuke> Hmm :/
[01:19] <Chousuke> I have no experience of that.
[01:19] <fireside> yuki your cute
[01:19] <ilba7r_> duomaxwell and this to see how well ppc is supported
[01:19] <aftertaf> CaptainMorgan:  yes. try also CTl+ALT+F1,   and if you have the splash screen, try also alt+F8... just avoid alt+f7 cos it's the console where X runs.
[01:19] <redguy|work> !ops fireside won't stop being stupid
[01:19] <ubotflu> redguy|work: Bugger all, i dunno
[01:20] <redguy|work> hrm
[01:20] <ilba7r_> duomaxwell if you have airport extreme forget the wireless. I remember there was a thread to install x on mac. Then you can access all linux packages  without installation
[01:20] <fireside> yuki
[01:20] <YukiIkyuta> Tanya?
[01:20] <DuoMaxwell> ilba7r I tried there months ago when I 1st recived an official ShipIt copy of 5.04, noone could figure out why my particular iBook wouldn't see the Ubuntu install CD as a boot volume or why the Live CD would crash halfway into the boot
[01:20] <aftertaf> fireside:  WILL YOU PACK IT IN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! AND GO AWAY!
[01:20] <YukiIkyuta> rofl
[01:20] <fireside> did u see what i wrote
[01:20] <DuoMaxwell> ilba7r I don't have any wireless gear
[01:20] <YukiIkyuta> Yes, I saw. Thank you.
[01:21] <Hobbsee> at least the channel is logged, so fireside will soon be banned
[01:21] <aftertaf> for good.
[01:21] <CaptainMorgan> No you packe it in! ( Wedding Crashers ) ;)
[01:21] <aftertaf> look, go to ubuntu-offtopic for non help-related things.
[01:21] <Hobbsee> exactly, aftertaf :P
[01:21] <YukiIkyuta> CaptainMorgan, rofl, that was a slightly amusing movie.
[01:21] <ilba7r_> duomaxwell i do not think apple hardware is well supported on linux
[01:21] <CaptainMorgan> k... ctrl-alt-f1 doesn't work.....
[01:21] <mitch_> hey ... can someone tell me how to use or install gstreamer?
[01:21] <Quizzer> how do you change the root password, so i can use the update manager program
[01:21] <fireside> yuki whos aftertaf
[01:21] <Quizzer> the one i set at install doesnt work
[01:22] <YukiIkyuta> Tanya, someone else here!
[01:22] <Chousuke> Quizzer: You shouldn't have set a password at install
[01:22] <fireside> well his mean en he
[01:22] <Chousuke> Quizzer: by default, ubuntu uses sudo
[01:22] <mitch_> its probably not the password you are trying
[01:22] <Chousuke> Quizzer: input your own password
[01:22] <CaptainMorgan> alt-f8 doesn't work either
[01:22] <Quizzer> i just set the password on the user account it created
[01:22] <Chousuke> if  you forgot your own password, then... eh.
[01:22] <aftertaf> CaptainMorgan:  and with ctl too? not working?
[01:22] <DuoMaxwell> ilba7r OS X is BSD based and theres atleast 25-30 projects that do PPC Linux, Yellow Dog being PPC only
[01:22] <mitch_> Can someone tell me how to use gstreamer?
[01:22] <Chousuke> check if you accidentally typed it with caps-lock on
[01:22] <CaptainMorgan> none aftertaf
[01:23] <Quizzer> that was it .. stupid caps lock
[01:23] <redguy|work> CaptainMorgan: try booting in the rescue mode then
[01:23] <Chousuke> heehe
[01:23] <aftertaf> CaptainMorgan:  ok.... reboot it again and try to do it just at the moment where the console goes away and x starts loading.....
[01:23] <CaptainMorgan> redguy - at boot: <rescue> ?
[01:23] <fireside> aftertaf what is me chattin on here bothering u
[01:23] <mitch_> Can someone tell me if there is a Windows Manager other then gnome of xfce?
[01:23] <Chousuke> fireside: You could at least speak proper English
[01:23] <mitch_> or
[01:23] <Hobbsee> mitch_: plenty, kde for one
[01:24] <Hobbsee> icewm is another
[01:24] <fireside> i dont uinderstand what u mean proper english
[01:24] <ilba7r_> mitch try the forums desktop support
[01:24] <redguy|work> CaptainMorgan: don't you have a menu?
[01:24] <CaptainMorgan> nah
[01:24] <mitch_> let me revise my question,    a Windows Manager that is less ram intensive then xfce or gnome,   i know xfce is faster then gnome (for me personaly)  but is there one faster then xfce??
[01:25] <CaptainMorgan> for the live cd I did
[01:25] <aftertaf> you apparently not giving half a flying shit that this is a support channel and despite the fact that many of us have asked you to either stop being offtopic, leave, and stop asking stupid non related questions IS bothering me, YES! plus the fact that if there had been an OP here you would have been kicked and banned after 3 posts
[01:25] <fireside> chou so what do u mean proper english
[01:25] <DuoMaxwell> ilba7r, ok, I'm out. too tired to google for anything else for now
[01:25] <YukiIkyuta> Tanya, I believe he means with full words (`you', not `u'), punctuation, etc.
[01:25] <milksteak> mitch_, fvwm's a pretty nice WM
[01:25] <Chousuke> Yes.
[01:25] <fireside> yuki u back startin to miss ya
[01:25] <milksteak> if you don't mind spending forever configuring it :)
[01:25] <ilba7r_> mitch openbox and fluxbox and enlightenment
[01:25] <YukiIkyuta> Tanya, I'm always here/
[01:25] <ilba7r_> duomaxwell bye man
[01:25] <fireside> always thats some long hours
[01:26] <mitch_> can i install those thru the package manager or is that a independent download?
[01:26] <ilba7r_> mitch they are all in ubuntu repos
[01:26] <YukiIkyuta> Well, not always, but I've not gone away.
[01:26] <mitch_> thanks everybody
[01:26] <fireside> whats hydraIRC
[01:26] <YukiIkyuta> mitch_, hmm.
[01:26] <YukiIkyuta> mitch_, try looking up ion3.
[01:26] <mitch_> ill be online thruout the install, if i have questions..
[01:26] <YukiIkyuta> Tanya, good question. Sounds like an IRC client
[01:27] <CaptainMorgan> k , gonna try ctrl --alt f1 soon..
[01:27] <mitch_> I have only 64mb ram on this puter.. so im looking for something that dosent putter
[01:27] <ilba7r_> mitch the lightest is openbox. But need a lot of tweeking
[01:27] <fireside> whats an IRC
[01:27] <aftertaf> fireside:  this is not a social chat channel this is a support channel, people here ask help and others try to reply, but when people take up space by chatting, despite the fact they have been asked not to, is very irrespectful and will earn you a ban as soon as an op gets online. i can guarantee this to you; so you could as well say goodbye now.
[01:27] <YukiIkyuta> CaptainMorgan, to recover, ctrl-alt-f7 should get you back to X.
[01:27] <Hoxzer> somebody here has got Gmailfs work?
[01:27] <YukiIkyuta> ilba7r_, lighter than ion3?
[01:27] <aftertaf> fireside:  like i said you can take it to #ubuntu-offtopic and there is NO problem, the fact you refuse to is point enough.
[01:27] <ilba7r_> yukikyuta i never tried ion3
[01:27] <YukiIkyuta> Tanya, this is IRC here, how we're all talking; Internet Relay Chat. People aren't appreciating that you talk here when others are giving support, however.
[01:28] <YukiIkyuta> ilba7r_, it's ridiculously light.
[01:28] <aftertaf> fireside: type /join #ubuntu-offtopic and do the support channel a favour
[01:29] <mitch_> IT allways seemed for me when people were neglegent to hear what i had to say (offtopic) or not it just made me want to stay and bother everybody more,     But like aftertaf and others said about fireside.   this is a support channel theres other places to get better attention then in here
[01:29] <CaptainMorgan> k, nothing worked...
[01:29] <ilba7r_> mitch you will need to look at this forum for openbox
[01:29] <ilba7r_> yukiyuta might give it a try
[01:29] <CaptainMorgan> ctraltf1..ctraltf7 nore alt's
[01:30] <aftertaf> CaptainMorgan:  did you hammer on CTL9+ALT+F1 just at the moment when the console bit disappeared?
[01:30] <CaptainMorgan> indeedd
[01:30] <mitch_> wheres the forum?
[01:30] <aftertaf> (less the 9)
[01:30] <CaptainMorgan> pressed it very often
[01:30] <YukiIkyuta> ilba7r_, I'm pretty happy. ion is pretty `esoteric', in that there aren't windows, but everything occupies an entire screen.
[01:30] <YukiIkyuta> Most of the time.
[01:30] <CaptainMorgan> fast
[01:30] <fireside> yuki u a sweet person the others however need some manners well im having a little chat and they dont like it whats wrong wiv em anyway nice chattin to ya yuki its a shame i cant see ya u are really sweet
[01:30] <aftertaf> fireside. were you born completely stupid?
[01:31] <YukiIkyuta> Tanya, as before, it's not a matter of manners, it's just that this is a channel for *support*, not for *chat*.
[01:31] <mitch_> ion dosent seem like a good choice,   i want something usable but not so ram intensive like gnome?       would gnome be not working well because i have a celeron?
[01:31] <YukiIkyuta> There are alternate channels for chatting.
[01:31] <fireside> aftertaf wiv a name like that u were born completly stupid
[01:31] <YukiIkyuta> mitch_, why doesn't ion seem like a good choice? o_O
[01:31] <aftertaf> mitch_:  what processor wpeed? and how much ram?
[01:31] <CaptainMorgan> k, why not use live... back up themounted harddrive... ... or what next ?
[01:31] <aftertaf> fireside:  how kindergarten
[01:31] <fireside> yuki i did not catch what u wrote
[01:32] <ilba7r_> mitch it is not only a window manager you need also a light file manager nautilus is heavy too
[01:32] <ilba7r_> mitch so perhaps you need rox-filer too its light
[01:32] <CaptainMorgan> mitch = upgrade :/
[01:33] <CaptainMorgan> like a big 2GIG of ram baby - you can do it
[01:33] <aftertaf> CaptainMorgan:  ok, so what do you want to backup?
[01:33] <fireside> come on yuki tell me what u wrote  ive gotta go
[01:33] <YukiIkyuta> Tanya, scroll up; this channel isn't for chatting, in short. That's why people are being rude; they're trying to answer or give support requests, but chat-traffic bogs it down. You can either type `/join #ubuntu-offtopic' to reach a channel to `chat', or you can leave. End of story...
[01:33] <mitch_> YukiIkyuta.    because i want soemthing that my mom would know how to use to put it bluntly.    .       Im running 800mhz,   celeron,     64mb sd 100,    .            without spending moeny i think software would do the trick not some hardware
[01:33] <aftertaf> !topic
[01:33] <ilba7r_> yukiyuta am not using any light windowmanager anymore my hardware is pretty fast that i do not need too anymore
[01:33] <Hobbsee> of course, you can type " /quit #ubuntu " if you wish...
[01:33] <Hobbsee> fireside: of course, you can type " /quit #ubuntu " if you wish...
[01:33] <CaptainMorgan> dunno... aftertaf.. nothing we try is working.. I do have my data... I back it up... get a copy of breezy... install it and bam..
[01:33] <CaptainMorgan> whatcha think ?
[01:33] <YukiIkyuta> mitch_, okay, that's a very good point! Is xfce really too much? I find that it's rather light.
[01:33] <alexandre> Geez, I go away for 5 minutes, peeking and poking with my configuration and when I come back people get stupid... -> fire...
[01:33] <aftertaf> CaptainMorgan:  ok, do it....
[01:34] <YukiIkyuta> mitch_, the problem is that most of the easier-to-use window managers (ideal for people like your mom ^^) *are* bigger.
[01:34] <ilba7r_> mitch have you considered daminsmalllinux. The os is only 54 MB
[01:34] <egytrack> how i can cancel screensaver ?
[01:34] <YukiIkyuta> But XFCE should do well on an 800mhz system..
[01:34] <fireside> lads enjoy ur sciencetific crap
[01:35] <HiddenFly> Is it normal that Kaffeine uses ~10% of cpu power all the time while I listen to a webradio? I have Athlon 2800+.
[01:35] <aftertaf> fireside:  assuming you are 1) able to read more than 3 words that arent in l33t sp3ak shordh4nd, 2) are capable of actually clicking a link and using a web browser.... read this. https://launchpad.net/codeofconduct/1.0 applies here
[01:35] <ilba7r_> mitch the problem that firefox for example is resource intensive, openoffice too. so you need a whole light package
[01:35] <aftertaf> damn!
[01:35] <HiddenFly> Atleast I wouldn't think that it is.
[01:35] <CaptainMorgan> aftertaf, and to others thank you for the patience, assistance and support... may not have got far but i feel like I we did do some good investigation... oh well, time to cut your losses
[01:35] <YukiIkyuta> Hahahaha..
[01:35] <YukiIkyuta> aftertaf, seemed to miss the hundred or so links to ubunutlinux.org I gave him/her.
[01:35] <aftertaf> mitch_:  gnome is slow when your pc doesnt have a lot of resources.... i use E17 on this one, a P3 500 with 256 ram.
[01:35] <Chousuke> I think she shoud spend some time enjoying "sciencetific crap".
[01:36] <mitch_> well  its not to much,  but as a computer advociate im allways on the search for more speed.      xfce seems to run alot better than gnome,  just wanted to know if something would run better then xfce,  althouh xfce i dont have much complaints ...   Yess i realize firefox takes forever to start,   is that maybe because its made for gnome in my ubuntu package..
[01:36] <Chousuke> mainly papers on English grammar and spellinh
[01:36] <Chousuke> spelling* ;P
[01:36] <lockhead> how do i change mysql passwd?
[01:36] <alexandre> I changed my xorg.conf file and restarted the x-server (Ctrl-Alt-Backspace). Apparently, I did something wrong because this crashed the X-server. Now it says I need to restart it GDM when I'm done with configuration. Does anybody know how I can restart GDM? I mean, the right way to do it? Ctrl-Alt-BS doesn't work anymore...
[01:36] <YukiIkyuta> Chousuke :)!!
[01:36] <aftertaf> mitch_:  i do like e17, even if its not 'finished', nothing rarely Is, and it is very slick and useable.
[01:37] <aftertaf> alexandre:  in console, type sudo /etc/init.d.gdm restart
[01:37] <ilba7r_> mitch that is why i said daminsmalllinux it has the whole package. all are light weight you will feal the deifference and its decent for its speed
[01:37] <YukiIkyuta> /etc/init.d/gdm *
[01:37] <aftertaf> thx YukiIkyuta :] 
[01:37] <mitch_> like i said,  if i had my choice i could run my programs out of a console,   but my puter needs to be used by the internet by my mom and bro that arnt to computer savy.   they need those big (CLICK HERE FOR INTERNET)  type things to do any task.   HAHA
[01:37] <alexandre> aftertaf: All right! X is back.
[01:38] <CaptainMorgan> dappper drake sounds interesting...
[01:38] <aftertaf> Alex:  hehe; and in 1024*768?
[01:38] <mitch_> ilba7r_   is that a package that my mom would be able to use,   or me to set it up that way?
[01:38] <aftertaf> CaptainMorgan:  loooool
[01:38] <aftertaf> dapper aint stable,
[01:38] <CaptainMorgan> why is breezy experimental and they're releasing a dapper in april ?
[01:38] <tibi> hi! I've just updated my ubuntu (dapper) and now X won't start, something about glib
[01:38] <aftertaf> 4 days without X
[01:38] <alexandre> aftertaf: nope.
[01:38] <CaptainMorgan> is breezy stable?
[01:38] <aftertaf> CaptainMorgan:  breezy aint experimental, its allegedly stable. dapper is the unstable one
[01:38] <ilba7r_> mitch it is a whole distribution that aquire only 54 MB. and it includes anything you might need
[01:38] <CaptainMorgan> ah...
[01:39] <aftertaf> alexandre:  and the resolution changer wont let you change to it?
[01:39] <CaptainMorgan> but hoary and hedgehog are he confirmed stable.... ?
[01:39] <Chousuke> mitch_: enable X autologin and put something this in .xinitrc: fluxbox & firefox &  ;)
[01:39] <netventure> "allegedly stable" lol
[01:39] <alexandre> aftertaf: I just restored the backup I had made of xorg.conf before x crashed.
[01:39] <Chousuke> or well
[01:39] <aftertaf> CaptainMorgan:  hoary Is hedgehog.
[01:39] <ilba7r_> a webbrowser, wm (fluxbox in this case) a wordprocessor and even ftp server
[01:39] <tibi> I'd like to try a different driver instead of nvidia, how can I configure X from command line?
[01:39] <aftertaf> Alex:  ok...
[01:39] <Chousuke> that doesn't work if she closes firefox.
[01:39] <alexandre> aftertaf: When it crashed it said I used "subsection" in a place I wasn't supposed to. So I'll start over.
[01:39] <netventure> a little off topic, but are there any X.org 7.0 RC dep packages available
[01:39] <aftertaf> tibi:  sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf and you change the driver line
[01:40] <YukiIkyuta> aftertaf, what's wrong with no X? ^^;
[01:40] <aftertaf> netventure:  dapper is in xorg7 i believe
[01:40] <aftertaf> YukiIkyuta:  for me, not much, i can get by in cli
[01:40] <YukiIkyuta> Exactly!
[01:40] <aftertaf> alexandre:    ok.....
[01:40] <netventure> aftertaf: I updated my sources.lst and pointed to dapper, but it semed to pick up the 6.8.2:77 packages for updates
[01:41] <mitch_> if i do a search in synaptic for "Window Manager"  will i get others beside gnome or xfce,  with universe enabled ?
[01:41] <ilba7r_> enlightenment openbox blackbox are some of the few you will pick up
[01:41] <ilba7r_> mitch there are too many of them lol
[01:42] <CaptainMorgan> does anyone have a fool proof.. and/or working madwifi step by step instruction set..? I tried to follow the newmadwifi instructions, but it said If I don' tave the latest kernel... well basically I was SOL, that's what tempted me to go for the breeze
[01:42] <btdown> Got a question on how to update the SunJRE..I have update 5 installed but see there's a update 6 out (on seveas). When i try to update from Seveas, it 403 Forbiddens. Could I just update from Sun, would it screw anytihng up?
[01:42] <aftertaf> netventure:  checkong...
[01:42] <chaumurky> damn www.debian-administration.org is still down
[01:42] <netventure> btdown: the last I checked, you needed to make the deb package for Java
[01:43] <mitch_> what im gonna do is install a few and see which ones are the best for the tasks i do,    (internet browse, chat, stupid programs)       one more question,   ONce i find the window manager i like will uninstalling packages like gnome or xfce affect my windowmanger that i chose?
[01:43] <ilba7r_> btdown i installed from sun but it needs some tweeking
[01:43] <YukiIkyuta> mitch_, I reccomend blackbox.
[01:43] <btdown> Ah ok. I'll wait then...Im lacking in the tweaking dept. ;)
[01:43] <netventure> btdown: needs youto download the JDK/JRE separately and alao get some apps from synaptic/debian repos
[01:44] <aftertaf> netventure:  ok.... yeah it is. want to tarball it ? :] 
[01:44] <ilba7r_> mitch uninstalling xfce is not a problem. I do not know about gnome for it is in ubuntu-desktop and might affect your updates
[01:44] <btdown> Thanks. I'll have to find another repo that has it. I think you need an account on seveas to dl it.
[01:45] <aftertaf> alexandre:  on the line  Modes           "800x600", add "1024x768" before the 800*600 bit.
[01:45] <netventure> aftertaf: er.. did'nt really get you? did you mean getting the .deb's?
[01:45] <aftertaf> alexandre:  look which mode is the default one and add this to that mode subsection
[01:45] <ilba7r_> btdown all you need is some symbolick links look at the forums for it
[01:45] <aftertaf> netventure:  nah, the .tar.gz ;)      it isnt yet 7.0, i just thought it was...
[01:45] <btdown> ilba7r: Ok thanks. Im off to check ;)
[01:46] <mitch_> thanks ilba7r  i mean i have a good amount of hd space   (30gb)  so i dont mind having to leave gnome in there sitting arround i just dont want to run into probelms ive only been running linux for a week ,   (im and ax Microsoftie)
[01:46] <netventure> atf: I have the 7.0 RC3 tarballs, thanks though
[01:46] <ilba7r_> good luck than mitch_
[01:46] <aftertaf> mitch_:  what is your pc specs?
[01:46] <YukiIkyuta> aftertaf, 800mhz.
[01:46] <YukiIkyuta> 64MiB RMA.
[01:46] <YukiIkyuta> RAM*
[01:46] <aftertaf> ok, and 64m ram? ouch
[01:47] <ubuntu__> hojohojo
[01:47] <YukiIkyuta> SD 100 RAM at that.
[01:47] <YukiIkyuta> ubuntu__, johojojo?
[01:47] <aftertaf> with e17 itll be fast, until you try to load any application ... :/
[01:47] <ubuntu__> linux rules
[01:47] <YukiIkyuta> ubuntu__, we all agree.
[01:47] <alexandre> aftertaf: I just did. I actually did it too all the lines (replaced "800x600" with "1024x768" "800x600" to avoid typos). It doesn't change anything. In the resolution applet, I only get 800x600 and 640x480...
[01:47] <mitch_> aftertaf ,   im running  800mhz celeron, 64mb ram, 30gb harddrive,  Blazzing fast cable connection.
[01:48] <netventure> aft: ran into compilation issues with X7.0 RC3, not able to figure out, so was looking for the .deb's
[01:48] <aftertaf> alexandre:  you'll need tor estart x again...
[01:48] <aftertaf> netventure:  what was the error?
[01:49] <netventure> aftertaf: I was building with the script from the X.org site
[01:49] <alexandre> aftertaf: I already did "sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart" (twice even)
[01:49] <netventure> afttertaf: encparse.c:52: error: parse error before "FontFilePtr"
[01:49] <mitch_> I was running 64+32 mb ram but the 32mb chip died on me thats why i been running into these ram hog program problems
[01:49] <aftertaf> alexandre:  weird......
[01:49] <netventure> aftertaf: occurrend when compiling libfontenc
[01:49] <aftertaf> netventure:  anyone in #xorg ?
[01:50] <aftertaf> mitch_:  www.ebay.com
[01:50] <aftertaf> :] 
[01:50] <mitch_> haha
[01:50] <netventure> aftertaf: did'nt check, will headthere
[01:50] <ilba7r_> mitch_ have a look at this http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/
[01:50] <mitch_> I switched to linux because it was free,  went with ubuntu because it was free,   im not gonna put anymoney into this old computer.  theres no need,   theres ways around my problem without hardware
[01:51] <mitch_> thanks for the link ilba7r_  checking it out now
[01:51] <CaptainMorgan> i mounted my linux partion to /media/lda2 in Live... it's a lot of data.. alot that I don't have enough dvd's for.. how can I temporarily store in Win and reaccess it later?
[01:51] <alexandre> aftertaf: thanks for your help and patience so far. I'll keep trying.
[01:52] <CaptainMorgan> sudo mount /media/lda2 /dev/(Win)/tempstorage/ ?
[01:52] <ilba7r_> captainmorgan i guess your win is ntfs right
[01:52] <CaptainMorgan> yep
[01:52] <ilba7r_> captainmorgan if so you might run to some prob
[01:52] <Knight_Lord> mitch_ windowmaker works quite well for low memory
[01:52] <mitch_> Knight_Lord thanks
[01:53] <ilba7r_> captainmorgan i would never recommend writing to ntfs
[01:53] <aftertaf> alexandre:  you could also try sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and specify 1024*768 ;)
[01:53] <ilba7r_> if you have another partition than write to it
[01:53] <CaptainMorgan> k
[01:54] <aftertaf> !cigarette
[01:54] <ubotflu> It's bad to smoke, but aftertaf needs one all the same...  Here dude, have a light :)
[01:54] <CaptainMorgan> command for checking the amount of data the mounted partition?
[01:54] <aftertaf> CaptainMorgan:  df -h
[01:54] <redguy|work> CaptainMorgan: if it's just the data you're after you can backup the /home directory only
[01:54] <rosen> aaah ... back with a clean install :)
[01:55] <CaptainMorgan> redguy. well I wanted some user settings too.. in xorg, etc, var/ urs
[01:55] <CaptainMorgan> etc
[01:55] <egytrack> What Is Ubuntu DVD , i mean what's on it did someone try it ?
[01:55] <CaptainMorgan> how do I check the amount of the /home directory ?
[01:55] <BockBilbo> hey
[01:56] <alexandre> aftertaf: that sounds interesting. I'm trying right now.
[01:56] <redguy|work> CaptainMorgan: sudo du -sh /home
[01:56] <BockBilbo> i think there is a problem with the vesafb kernel module and reiserfs
[01:56] <egytrack> dose anyone have the Ubuntu DVD ?
[01:56] <BockBilbo> anyone knows something about that?
[01:56] <tibi> after updating my dapper, I get a bunch of ugly errors from perl/debconf/gtk, so I can't reconfigure my X, or start it
[01:57] <BockBilbo> tibi, why are you using dapper?
[01:57] <BockBilbo> it is unstable
[01:57] <CaptainMorgan> cuz dapper sounds cool
[01:57] <redguy|work> egytrack: I always thought that the DVD is the live CD and install CD combined together
[01:57] <tibi> BockBilbo: for fun and profit :)
[01:57] <BockBilbo> tooo unstable
[01:57] <BockBilbo> oh... so whatever
[01:57] <BockBilbo> xD
[01:57] <CaptainMorgan> redguy - that command produced an inaccurate result... no way that's right
[01:57] <tibi> BockBilbo: so I should go back to breezy?
[01:58] <BockBilbo> tibi, i would
[01:58] <egytrack> redguy|work , so what's on the DVD ?
[01:58] <tibi> I like being on bleeding edge (when it works)
[01:58] <BockBilbo> i usually switch to the unstable version one month before the final release
[01:58] <CaptainMorgan> why ?
[01:58] <BockBilbo> by that time the stability is much higher
[01:58] <tibi> when's dapper to be released?
[01:58] <CaptainMorgan> april 06
[01:58] <BockBilbo> april 2006
[01:58] <redguy|work> CaptainMorgan: huh? how do you know that's not right?
[01:59] <tibi> no fun till then? :(
[01:59] <BockBilbo> well
[01:59] <egytrack> redguy|work , what you found on the DVD ?
[01:59] <BockBilbo> i bet youll have much fun if you install it now
[01:59] <BockBilbo> xD
[01:59] <CaptainMorgan> 212k in home.. I know I have more than that in home
[01:59] <BockBilbo> lol
[01:59] <CaptainMorgan> for sure
[01:59] <redguy|work> egytrack: I didn't use it. I don't have it.
[02:00] <redguy|work> CaptainMorgan: you are on the live cd, right?
[02:00] <CaptainMorgan> more like 14 gigs in home alone
[02:00] <egytrack> you told me that you " thought that the DVD is the live CD and install CD combined together "
[02:00] <CaptainMorgan> yep
[02:00] <looksaus> is there a suggested way to sync Evolution calendar, tasks and mail for a really small office with basicly 1 laptop and 1 desktop to sync?
[02:00] <tibi> BockBilbo: I've upgraded from breezy, it's my main working station
[02:00] <CaptainMorgan> but im in the /home mounted dir
[02:00] <redguy|work> CaptainMorgan: sudo du -sh <path to your home dir on the mounted drive>
[02:00] <egytrack> Guys what's on the DVD Then .. there is no info about that ?!
[02:00] <BockBilbo> tibi bad idea
[02:00] <CaptainMorgan> d'oh
[02:00] <alexandre> aftertaf: We've made progress there!! I got it to 1024x768@60Hz...
[02:01] <BockBilbo> if you want to try out dapper, you should use a secondary computer
[02:01] <dooglus> BockBilbo: or a chroot would do
[02:01] <redguy|work> egytrack: yes, that's what I told you. Does that imply that I *know* what is on the DVD?
[02:02] <sauron_the_mad> hello ppl! how do i make vcl the standardplayer?
[02:02] <egytrack> redguy|work , nvm
[02:03] <egytrack> why no body answer me then ... and tell me what's on the dvd no body try it ?
[02:03] <egytrack> or no body have it ?
[02:03] <tibi> BockBilbo: I've changed in source.list from dapper to breezy, ran apt-get update, but apt-get dist-upgrade says there are no packages to install. What should I do?
[02:03] <blizzkid> Anyone knows if something like BluePhoneElite exists for linux?
[02:03] <ejofee> how do i query an installed deb for wherever its files are?
[02:04] <dooglus> ejofee: dpkg -L
[02:04] <weissi> ejofee;: dpkg -L <pkg>
[02:04] <ejofee> dooglus: thank you
[02:05] <egytrack> why keep ignore me guys ?!!
[02:05] <ejofee> dooglus, weissi: what if i am not so sure about the exact name of the package, either? it seems dpkg doesn't support regexp or *
[02:05] <dooglus> egytrack: if anyone knows, they'll answer
[02:05] <dooglus> ejofee: dpkg -l will list installed packages
[02:06] <ejofee> egytrack: what was the asnwer?
[02:06] <ejofee> egytrack: what was your question?
[02:06] <ejofee> dooglus: thank you
[02:06] <rosen> egytrack, I have downloaded and burned the DVD, and it seemed to me to be the exact same thing as the liveCD .. but then I'm a noob (wich is why I didnt answer)
[02:06] <PsyberOne> tibi if I remember correctly, synaptic/apt upgrades based on actual package version thus breezy packages will have lower versions than dapper so nothing will be marked to update
[02:06] <soudk> where french ubuntu irc ???
[02:07] <PsyberOne> one of the weakness' of apt is rollbacks are fairly difficult
[02:07] <dooglus> ejofee: this will give a better list of packages installed:  COLUMNS=300 dpkg -l | grep '^ii' | awk '{print $2}'
[02:07] <BdGraue> hello, any german here? or a german ubuntu-channel available?
[02:07] <BockBilbo> tibi, thats obvious
[02:07] <bulio|lap> anyone know of a fast mirror for ubuntu 5.04?
[02:07] <weissi> ejofee: try e.g. `dpkg -l mozilla-fi\* | grep "^ii"`
[02:08] <BockBilbo> i think you cannot downgrade to hoary from breezy
[02:08] <bulio|lap> I'm not
[02:08] <bulio|lap>  I burned 3 CDs of 5.10
 all gave me debootstrap errors
[02:08] <BockBilbo> maybe someone here knows how to do it, but i think it is impossible
[02:08] <BockBilbo> you should reinstall hoary from the begining
[02:08] <PsyberOne> from what I've read to get back to breezy outside of a very painstaking dpkg -i --force-all <select all breezy versions>
[02:08] <bulio|lap> I want to re-install
[02:08] <tibi> BockBilbo: I've burned a cd, I'll need to mount the cdrom in this comp
[02:08] <PsyberOne> re-install is the best way to go
[02:08] <bulio|lap> its unsualble the system atm
[02:09] <BdGraue> kann hier jemand deutsch?
[02:09] <rosen> what does the command CP do ?
[02:09] <bulio|lap> but where can I get hoary?
[02:09] <bulio|lap> I tried upgrading from 4.10
[02:09] <bulio|lap> screwed my system up
[02:09] <bulio|lap> now I wanna try 5.x
[02:10] <BdGraue> ich htte gerne mal die info, wie ich meine systeminfo unter ubuntu und xchat aufrufen kann, von live-cd, ich kenne das mit /exec -o infobash -v3, aber das klappt nicht
[02:10] <bulio|lap> so where can I get a version older than 5.1
[02:10] <bulio|lap> like 5.04 or something
[02:10] <rosen> on second thought ... is there somewhere I can find a list of terminal commands ? .. I will try to update my box manually and would like to know eactly what it is I am doing
[02:10] <aftertaf> bulio|lap:  you can get the iso from the website, that way no upgrading
[02:10] <_jason> !de
[02:10] <aftertaf> rosen , !cli
[02:10] <ubotflu> methinks de is Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu und Kubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de resp. #kubuntu-de
[02:10] <BockBilbo> bulio|lap, there arent such versions
[02:11] <aftertaf> and man apt
[02:11] <bulio|lap> I burnt 3CDs of breezy
[02:11] <rosen> !cli
[02:11] <ubotflu> extra, extra, read all about it, cli is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BasicCommands or http://www.linuxcommand.org/ or http://www.tuxfiles.org
[02:11] <bulio|lap> all gave me problems
[02:11] <BdGraue> thx
[02:11] <BockBilbo> ubuntus version are made by the year and the month of the release
[02:11] <bulio|lap> can you link me to another version
[02:11] <rosen> aftertaf thanks !
[02:11] <dooglus> rosen: open a terminal, hit tab, wait a few seconds, and say 'y' when it asks.  that'll list all the commands.
[02:11] <bulio|lap> not breezy
[02:11] <BockBilbo> 5.10 means october 2005
[02:11] <bulio|lap> like a later version of hoary
[02:11] <BockBilbo> x example
[02:11] <gand__> How can I open port 21 to allow FTP service?
[02:11] <BockBilbo> *for
[02:11] <bulio|lap> look
[02:11] <bulio|lap> 5.10 is giving me problems
[02:11] <bulio|lap> I just want an older version
[02:11] <rosen> dooglus, yeah but it was so that I could have it on th side while copy/pasting ;)
[02:11] <bulio|lap> which will be better than my 4.10 CD
[02:12] <Tomcat_> bulio|lap: Like... 5.04? :)
[02:12] <ejofee> dooglus, weissi: thank you
[02:12] <BockBilbo> 4.10 is warty, isnt it?
[02:12] <Tomcat_> BockBilbo: Correct.
[02:12] <BockBilbo> wow
[02:12] <BockBilbo> try hoary , search for it on the ubuntu site
[02:12] <ejofee> it seems ubuntu doesn't have the fonts on the expected path
[02:12] <BockBilbo> though breezy should be fine
[02:13] <ejofee> some apps don't detect them (apps from ubuntu repos)
[02:13] <bulio|lap> I get this
[02:13] <bulio|lap> on 3 Cds
[02:13] <clint_> d
[02:13] <bulio|lap> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=76316
[02:13] <bulio|lap> 3 Cds caused that
[02:14] <ejofee> anybody here use vncserver / vncviewer?
[02:15] <soundray> ejofee, yes
[02:15] <dooglus> ejofee: ubuntu has 'remote desktop' which is compatible with vncviewer
[02:15] <bulio|lap> so where can I get hoary hedgehog?
[02:15] <tibi> I should be able to install breezy from a iso image mounted from my drive, right?
[02:15] <soundray> tibi, no
[02:16] <tibi> soundray: hmm. Why?
[02:16] <soundray> tibi, if you can manage to *boot* your ISO image, then you can install.
[02:16] <minimec> Hi. Sorry to disturb you with this silly problem. Since the first day with 'breezy' I had quiet a lot of problems with the totem-mozilla-plugin. the totem-gstreamer never worked (I always have this "can't play //fd0:" error), while the totem-xine package gave me a black screen but nothing else. Now I hear, that some people succeeded with this fu..ing plugin. How can I get this plugin to work?
[02:16] <jim3> hello everyone!
[02:16] <rosen> I just pasted two(!) lines of commands and understood what I was doing !
[02:17] <rosen> ....and there was much rejoice
[02:17] <donza> :)
[02:17] <dooglus> well done rosen!
[02:17] <aftertaf> rosen:  yay
[02:17] <rosen> anyone need some help ?
[02:19] <alexandre> aftertaf: If you're still watching, I found the cause of my screen resolution problem.
[02:19] <alexandre> aftertaf: I've got a NVIDIA board.
[02:19] <odat> hi everyone
[02:19] <alexandre> aftertaf: /var/log/Xorg.0.log told me 1024x768 wasn't a valid mode for the frequency I had chosen.
[02:20] <odat> i have now gotten all steaming media to work (including wmv) under gstreamer and totem  :)
[02:20] <aftertaf> really?
[02:20] <aftertaf> okkkkkk
[02:20] <alexandre> aftertaf: So I'm tweaking around with different frequencies. Until now, I get it to work @ 60Hz with HorizSync 28-49 and VertRefresh 43-72...
[02:20] <aftertaf> hehe did you get it with dpkg-reconf?
[02:21] <minimec> odat: how did you do that?
[02:21] <ejofee> dooglus: i want it accessed from other distros
[02:21] <alexandre> aftertaf: dpkg-reconfigure got me on the way. I compared the xorg.conf it gave me with my original. The only noticeable difference was in the refresh rates.
[02:21] <ejofee> soundray, dooglus: realvnc or tightvnc?
[02:22] <alexandre> aftertaf: (and in the fact that i had already filled in 1024x768)
[02:22] <odat> minimec, a little extension for firefox it also allows you to download the streaming media if you want to :) And i was finally able to get rid of that stupid pitdll gstreamer plugin that never works
[02:22] <aftertaf> cooool
[02:22] <aftertaf> :)
[02:22] <minimec> odat: what's the name of the extension?
[02:23] <alexandre> aftertaf: So thanks a lot for the hinting. I'm still tweaking to get it at least at 75 Hz, which is what I had with Windows.
[02:23] <aftertaf> armagetron rox :=)
[02:23] <snpz> alexandre, write down in xorg.conf VSync un H-Sync corrent frequencies
[02:23] <snpz> correct
[02:23] <odat> minimec, mediaplayerconnectivity  you have to change some of the settings a little but its not hard at all  its all through a gui
[02:23] <soundray> ejofee, I use both with varying results. tightvnc often has the edge.
[02:24] <alexandre> snpz: How do I know the correct frequencies? Can I just write 75 Hz?
[02:24] <odat> minimec, if you get it and you want some help with the settings let me know
[02:24] <snpz> alexandre, no no no
[02:24] <ejofee> soundray, dooglus: don't you experience some problems with fonts?
[02:24] <snpz> look up in google
[02:24] <odat> lololol hahahaha fuck you microsoft lol
[02:24] <minimec> odat: found the extension. THX I gonna try that now :-)
[02:24] <snpz> hSync un vSync for your monitor
[02:25] <odat> minimec, cool it really made my day
[02:25] <soundray> ejofee, no.
[02:25] <alexandre> snpz: All right, I'll try that. Otherwise, can't I write down the frequencies the screen tells me (front button) when I am in a working mode in another OS?
[02:26] <soundray> ejofee, have you looked at /etc/vnc.conf?
[02:28] <rosen> #flood
[02:28] <Jaymac> wow.. lot of updates today
[02:30] <snpz> alexandre, u have to set those frequencies. After Ctrl+Alt+Backspace u will be able to change resolution in GUI mode
[02:30] <siriusnova> hola
[02:30] <rosen> !clist
[02:30] <ubotflu> rosen: NO SPEAKE ENLISH!
[02:31] <rosen> no habla ?
[02:31] <ejofee> soundray: yes, i have. it shows the default vnc font paths are not adapted to the ubuntu default font paths, which is incredible, seeing that both kubuntu and tightvnc belong to the same ubuntu... project or whatever
[02:31] <alexandre> snpz, aftertaf: All right!! Even got me up to 85 Hz! Thank you guys!
[02:31] <siriusnova> hey guys I hav a stupid question but how do I get the Mail Notification App in the System Preferences menu to use SSL with my university imap server? the in-band SS/TLS and SSL/TLS boxes are greyed out :(
[02:31] <soundray> I am planning to set up a kiosk-like system (limited access to programs, fixed configuration) with Ubuntu. I'm looking for hints, pointers and experiences.
[02:31] <varsendagger> what is the deal with ubotu  does he have the flu?
[02:31] <siriusnova> I dont want to use plaintext
[02:31] <snpz> alexandre, have fun
[02:31] <snpz> :)
[02:32] <ananth126> snpz: ctrl-alt-backspace or ctrl-alt +/- ?
[02:32] <aftertaf> bksp
[02:32] <snpz> ananth126, for xserver restart i use Ctrl+Alt+backspace
[02:32] <snpz> ;)
[02:32] <ananth126> ok :)
[02:32] <minimec> odat: Oh Lord, it's a miracle!
[02:32] <soundray> ejofee, yeah, an incredible failure. Have you considered filing a bug?
[02:32] <varsendagger> soundray,  should be pretty easy, what programs are you setting
[02:32] <odat> minimec, pretty cool huh
[02:33] <siriusnova> anyone got any ideas?
[02:33] <ananth126> any idea why +/- wont change the screen resolution in xorg ?
[02:33] <soundray> varsendagger, firefox and a basic word processor, possibly AbiWord.
[02:33] <odat> minimec, i tweaked the setting quite a bit there is one in there that say display direct url that one allows you to right click on it and save it to your harddrive :) lololol yea
[02:34] <minimec> odat: Yeah, I think, this is it.
[02:34] <minimec> odat: I gonna check the settings soon. But now I just wanna play around a bit :-)
[02:34] <odat> minimec, now i uninstalled the gstreamer plugin pitdll because it sucks and i didn't want it to get in the way of this new firefox miracle
[02:34] <afd_> BockBilbo, I'm in X. I don't know what I did, but now X seems to be working again, complete with gnome :)
[02:35] <rosen> !list
[02:35] <ubotflu> rumour has it, list is you can see a list of things I know at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbotuUsage
[02:35] <alexandre> I've got to say, this channel is great! Especially the people in it (I'm thinking about aftertaf who seems to be everywhere helping everybody, and the rest of you of course)! It's sometimes a bit hard to follow with all the different conversations going on at the same time. But it's nice to know you can count on a real community. I'll come back from time to time and try to help people as well... THANK YOU SO MUCH!!
[02:35] <varsendagger> you could do a server install and then apt-get a small windows manager (fluxbox openbox even afterstep )  and then
[02:36] <BockBilbo> afd_, :)
[02:36] <BockBilbo> gotta go
[02:36] <BockBilbo> bye
[02:36] <aftertaf> lol alexandre im a half-newb who has picked a thing or two up, thats all. but thx :)
[02:36] <rosen> !listvals
[02:37] <aftertaf> ps right now i'm playing games :)
[02:37] <snpz> alexandre, that's the reason i'm here
[02:37] <rosen> !listvals commands
[02:37] <ubotflu> Factoid search of 'commands' by value (12 shown): alias ;; msg the bot ;; cli ;; ask ;; wajig ;; msgthebot ;; ask #DEL# ;; commands ;; shell ;; cli #DEL# ;; bash ;; man.
[02:37] <rosen> aaah there we go !
[02:37] <rosen> !cli
[02:37] <ubotflu> I guess cli is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BasicCommands or http://www.linuxcommand.org/ or http://www.tuxfiles.org
[02:37] <varsendagger> soundray, that was for you
[02:37] <siriusnova> what apps do you guys use for mail notification?
[02:37] <siriusnova> or applet
[02:38] <soundray> varsendagger, that would be a good way to do it.
[02:38] <varsendagger> up there ^
[02:38] <varsendagger> and then you could add you new users CLI
[02:38] <soundray> varsendagger, I was wondering though whether anyone had gone the other way, stripping down Gnome or KDE.
[02:38] <shanonx> how do I uninstall Gaim?
[02:39] <varsendagger> pretty easy setting permissions if you read the user man
[02:39] <varsendagger> you could try to install the server then apt-get gnome
[02:40] <rosen> Can someone break this line up into smaller 'understandable' bits ? ... I'm trying to figure out the context in linux commands and this one is a little hard
[02:40] <rosen> sudo tar zcvf apt.tgz /etc/apt/ /var/lib/apt/ /var/cache/apt/
[02:40] <soundray> varsendagger, there's plenty of RAM and bogomips, but I want to reduce the risk of users messing with the configuration.
[02:40] <varsendagger> soundray, or look aoround and find a slim version gnome in the debian sources
[02:41] <soundray> So there isn't anything like a Kiosk project that you know of?
[02:41] <rosen> I figured out 'auth as root' - 'pack it as a *.tar' - 'use the file apt.tgz' ... but then there is 3 locations and I have no idea why they are there
[02:43] <ananth126> rosen: it extracts just those directories in the tar file iirc
[02:44] <varsendagger> soundray, ther eprobably is i'd look into Ubuntu.org or freshmeat.net
[02:44] <Jaymac> ubuntu.org is not ubuntu
[02:44] <rosen> ananth126, aah so it's because it needs all three directories to make a backup of my new repositories !
[02:45] <varsendagger> soundray, also http://www1.apt-get.org/search.php
[02:45] <CaptainMorgan> how can you send whole folders across web? any hosts? or?
[02:45] <varsendagger> * may or maynot work
[02:45] <CaptainMorgan> single files sux
[02:45] <ananth126> rosen: /etc for the config files, /var/lib and /var/cache for the .deb and extracted files
[02:45] <CaptainMorgan> I mean I can't burn anything to cd cuz Im in LIVE
[02:46] <soundray> varsendagger, thanks for your input. Sorry, I didn't mean to make you search the web for me. I was looking for someone who maybe had "been there, done that".
[02:46] <aftertaf> CaptainMorgan:  tar
[02:46] <CaptainMorgan> tar ?
[02:46] <CaptainMorgan> what's that?
[02:46] <soundray> varsendagger, ...and bought the T-shirt :)
[02:46] <ananth126> tar = tape archive :)
[02:46] <CaptainMorgan> omg
[02:47] <aftertaf> CaptainMorgan:  type man tar, for command syntax
[02:47] <aftertaf> !tar
[02:47] <aftertaf> CaptainMorgan:  or fileroller.
[02:47] <ananth126> well, originally..... but it is used to club files together... along with a (de)compression tool like gzip/bzip2
[02:47] <rosen> ananth126, ah lovely ... I'm starting to understand a wee bit now :D
[02:47] <kwtm> CaptainMorgan: tar will let you put a whole bunch of files into a single file.  It's not compressed, so you might want to "tar" a whole bunch of files, and then use "bzip2" or "gzip" to compress it
[02:48] <shanonx> anyone know how to remove Gaim if .... "sudo apt-get remove Gaim" isnt working...?
[02:48] <deltron> shanonx: use lowercase
[02:48] <aftertaf> deltron:    ;)
[02:50] <looksaus> is there a suggested way to sync Evolution calendar, tasks and mail for a really small office with basicly 1 laptop and 1 desktop to sync (eventually one or two more)?
[02:50] <janne_Newbie> hi fellows....i have some trouple with my kingston traveller....
[02:50] <janne_Newbie> why doesnt my ubuntu see usb memory pen...
[02:50] <aftertaf> janne_Newbie:  check in /media for it
[02:51] <janne_Newbie> i got infos by using lsusb...
[02:51] <janne_Newbie> i just checked....there isnt usb dir....
[02:51] <Jaymac> mine is mounted in media/
[02:52] <janne_Newbie> yes ihave it too before i putted newest ubuntu...
[02:52] <Jaymac> want to have a go at mounting it manually?
[02:52] <varsendagger> soundray, no prob
[02:52] <janne_Newbie> how to mount manually?
[02:52] <Jaymac> 2 secs
[02:52] <varsendagger> those are just two great linux resources and kiosk is a project that really interest me
[02:53] <Jaymac> Right janne..
[02:53] <Jaymac> first off
[02:53] <janne_Newbie> yes...?
[02:53] <Jaymac> create a folder in /media
[02:53] <janne_Newbie> yes...?
[02:53] <Jaymac> sudo mkdir /media/usbkey or whatever
[02:53] <Jaymac> then open up a text editor
[02:53] <Jaymac> sudo gedit /etc/fstab
[02:54] <Jaymac> the problem with this is that it will try to mount it every time you switch on the computer
[02:54] <janne_Newbie> yes...?
[02:54] <Jaymac> hang on.. there's a better weay
[02:54] <Jaymac> way*
[02:55] <wssyx> what is the Root PWD 
[02:55] <rosen> when I have switched /charset in Xchat, will it remember it after a reboot ?
[02:55] <wssyx> list
[02:55] <janne_Newbie> ok...whats better....thing to do it...(i dont have dir: etc/fstab)
[02:56] <Jaymac> /etc/fstab is a file not a directory
[02:56] <janne_Newbie> oh...sorry
[02:56] <Jaymac> and if you dont have it you don't have any mounted hard drives :)
[02:56] <janne_Newbie> =(
[02:56] <varsendagger> soundray, hey i found a project called mozilla-kiosk that might be of relavance
[02:56] <Jaymac> mine is plug and play..
[02:57] <Jaymac> i have a 512MB disgo usb key
[02:57] <Jaymac> i'm experimenting
[02:57] <janne_Newbie> i have kingston traveller elite 1g....and before it worked fine (out of the box)
[02:57] <aftertaf> Jaymac:  it should automount
[02:57] <ilba7r_> hanne_Newbie it should work automatically when you plug the jumpdrive
[02:58] <janne_Newbie> ?
[02:58] <janne_Newbie> what jumpdrive?
[02:58] <Jaymac> now what happens when you plug it in?
[02:58] <janne_Newbie> nothing....comp seems to keep busy little time...
[02:58] <shanonx> deltron: Package gaim is not installed, so not removed
[02:58] <shanonx> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 8 not upgraded.
[02:58] <janne_Newbie> but nothing pops on screen
[02:59] <rosen> how can J2SE Runtime Environment for firefox be 60Mb worh of data :O ... that makes no sense at all
[02:59] <Ng> rosen: it's probably not ;)
[03:00] <rosen> The following NEW packages will be installed:
[03:00] <rosen>   j2re1.4
[03:00] <rosen> 0 upgraded, 1 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[03:00] <rosen> Need to get 22.5MB of archives.
[03:00] <rosen> After unpacking 60.3MB of additional disk space will be used.
[03:00] <Ng> that's a full java runtime, it's more than just a browser plugin
[03:00] <Ng> also, that one is rubbish
[03:00] <aeon17x> rosen: Get the one from Sun.
[03:00] <rosen> oh goodiee :O
[03:00] <xychix> xscan.c: In function open_window:
[03:00] <xychix> xscan.c:143: warning: incompatible implicit declaration of built-in function exit
[03:00] <Ng> it's blackdown and doesn't work very well, Sun's is far better. See the RestrictedFormats wiki page :)
[03:00] <rosen> that's a little late now ;)
[03:00] <xychix> xscan.c: In function getaddresses:
[03:00] <xychix> xscan.c:152: warning: incompatible implicit declaration of built-in function malloc
[03:00] <xychix> xscan.c: In function main:
[03:00] <xychix> xscan.c:213: warning: incompatible implicit declaration of built-in function exit
[03:01] <xychix> bugware
[03:01] <aeon17x> xychix: do not post it all here, use the pastebin.
[03:01] <rosen> I'm allready installing the other one ! bleh
[03:01] <soundray> come on people, this place isn't for pasting
[03:01] <aeon17x> rosen: it's up to you.
[03:01] <Ng> rosen: if it's just downloading it and hasn't started unpacking/setting up you can just ctrl-c it
[03:01] <rosen> oooh nice one Ng
[03:01] <rosen> thanks
[03:01] <janne_Newbie> another guestion....what happent if i put my linux harddrive to other machine...and then i put it back to orginal machine...?
[03:02] <janne_Newbie> does linux keep up changes?
[03:02] <aftertaf> janne_Newbie:  you'll break your ide cable ;)
[03:02] <redguy|work> janne_Newbie: it will burn both computers, but not the harddrive
[03:02] <soundray> varsendagger, that's nice
[03:02] <aftertaf> janne_Newbie:  depends on hardware in both, but it "should" work (tm)
[03:03] <janne_Newbie> so ubuntu "reads" ur hardware at start...?
[03:03] <Ng> some of it, yes
[03:03] <redguy|work> janne_Newbie: made a stupid joke, sorry
[03:03] <VVC> hi!
[03:03] <janne_Newbie> yes...i saw...=)
[03:03] <redvelvet> hello all
[03:03] <aftertaf> janne_Newbie:  that is the goal of the new version of ubuntu : dapper, with udev
[03:04] <dxdemetriou> hi
[03:04] <janne_Newbie> i just thinked this bec i did it....and maybe thats why my kingston doesnt work...
[03:04] <redguy|work> hi to all people who have said 'hi' or 'hello'
[03:04] <aftertaf> janne_Newbie:  but it may do it now already, to a certain extent
[03:04] <VVC> any idea how do i use certain softwares (accounting pakage) in Ubuntu? I am currently using it in xp
[03:04] <soundray> !hi
[03:04] <ubotflu> hi!
[03:04] <redvelvet> I just installed ubuntu, and have been using fedora rarely in the past.  so i have some experiance
[03:04] <redguy|work> hi
[03:05] <janne_Newbie> udev?
[03:05] <redvelvet> but when installing... it says I need a c compiler
[03:05] <aftertaf> !tell redvelvet about be
[03:05] <VVC> any expert here on ubuntu?
[03:05] <aftertaf> !build-essential
[03:05] <ubotflu> I haven't a clue, aftertaf
[03:06] <soundray> !anyone
[03:06] <ubotflu> probably 90% of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and YOU decide? <hint>
[03:06] <ilba7r_> !info build-essential
[03:06] <Ng> VVC: some windows software works in WINE, some doesn't
[03:06] <ubotflu> build-essential: (informational list of build-essential packages), section devel, is optional. Version: 11.1 (breezy), Packaged size: 6 kB, Installed size: 48 kB
[03:06] <aftertaf> VVC:  what is the software, you have WINE which could work, or you can use a virtual machine if need be
[03:06] <redvelvet> do i just put that command into the terminal?
[03:06] <dxdemetriou> I want me too to work some programs in ubuntu 2.10, but some says that works on xp or 2000. I change the settings in winetools, but the setup says that is not ok the o.s. Any ideas?
[03:06] <aftertaf> redvelvet:  yep. close synaptic first and install that, it will install things to make software
[03:06] <Ng> redvelvet: sudo apt-get install build-essential
[03:07] <VVC> how can i install virtual machine?
[03:07] <VVC> I have my accounting pakage which is windows based.
[03:07] <redvelvet> thanks man, you're a great help
[03:07] <aftertaf> VVC:  qemu can install windows without it being on the pc for real. but wine would be a better first bet
[03:07] <redvelvet> (i dont think i have synaptic)
[03:07] <aftertaf> redvelvet:   ;)
[03:08] <VVC> were do i get wine.. ?
[03:08] <redvelvet> hehehe 20,000 people log onto my computer
[03:08] <aftertaf> VVC:  does it have any special dependendies? does it install a borland DBE or sth nasty like that?
[03:08] <aftertaf> !wine
[03:08] <VVC> no idea!
[03:08] <Ng> VVC: what is it called?
[03:08] <VVC> Tally
[03:08] <Ng> there are wine compatibility lists on the web
[03:08] <aftertaf> !tell VVC about wine
[03:09] <VVC> using ubuntu for the first time!
[03:10] <janne_Newbie> u can get wine via synaptic...
[03:10] <Ng> winehq.com suggests that tally won't work very well in wine
[03:10] <Ng> http://appdb.winehq.org/appview.php?appId=328
[03:10] <janne_Newbie> and xwine to put it work in gui...
[03:11] <redvelvet> aftertaf, i ran into a problem.  could not get lock /var/lib/dbkg/lock
[03:11] <soundray> VVC, switching to Ubuntu is an opportunity to get rid of programs that limit your freedom. Why not try to find original Linux software that suits your needs?
[03:11] <redvelvet> aftertaf, another process is using it
[03:11] <aftertaf> http://itekinfomatic.com/ for tally... i doubt it would work in wine. maybe a vpc.
[03:12] <janne_Newbie> tested games....creatures 3 and Shadow Watch...
[03:12] <soundray> VVC, admittedly in the case of accounting s/w, that can be difficult...
[03:12] <aftertaf> redvelvet:  ps -A | more and look for apt, dpkg, synaptic
[03:12] <redguy||work> shoot, disconnected in the middle of writing :/
[03:12] <redvelvet> okay, thanks.  didnt know I had it
[03:12] <VVC> do u have any good software in could sitch too?
[03:12] <soundray> VVC, check out http://lwn.net/Articles/149383/
[03:13] <VVC> also can u help me find site were i could try softwares available for ubuntu?
[03:13] <gnomefreak> how hard is it to take a source code for a linux app and make it run on windows?
[03:14] <redguy||work> gnomefreak: this depends on the app I think
[03:14] <VVC> is there a way i can use Google talk in ubuntu?
[03:14] <gnomefreak> ok ty redguy|work
[03:14] <janne_Newbie> And anyway....but ur linux box to game machine...with these games...Enemy Territory, ET-F(fortress), True Combat Elite(ET mod)....Vendetta(space simulator)...
[03:14] <soundray> VVC, the package manager lets you install everything on a 'trial basis'. I.e. if you don't like an app, you can remove it without a trace and not endanger your system stability.
[03:14] <Ng> gnomefreak: depends on the application, but it generally won't be easy
[03:14] <gnomefreak> damnit
[03:14] <Ng> gnomefreak: it may have been ported already though
[03:15] <rosen> wget is the command for retrieving things from an URL right ?
[03:15] <Ng> quite a few things have been
[03:15] <gnomefreak> ok ill look for one for her for windows than ty
[03:15] <Ng> gnomefreak: what are you looking for?
[03:15] <soundray> VVC, I know that Skype works in Ubuntu - not sure about Google Talk.
[03:15] <aftertaf> not yet
[03:15] <aftertaf> gaim will.
[03:15] <VVC> ok..
[03:15] <VVC> gaim does not include google talk!
[03:15] <ejofee> synaptic says "Preconfiguring packages ..." and it stops here. ("failed to apply all changes! scroll in the terminal buffer to see what went wrong.")
[03:15] <redguy||work> doesn't google talk use jabber anyway?
[03:16] <gnomefreak> gperiodic its a wonderful app and me and a  freind are both taking same classes in jan and it would be really helpful to her also
[03:16] <redvelvet> yay its working
[03:16] <Jaymac> the IM protocol with google talk works.. not sure about voip
[03:16] <gnomefreak> RedGhost, yes im pretty sure it does
[03:16] <Ng> gnomefreak: probably a bit specialised to havev been ported
[03:17] <redvelvet> what do you guys suggest for an itunes like program on linux
[03:17] <Jaymac> redvelvet i havent found anything decent yet
[03:17] <ananth126> redvelvet: amarok
[03:17] <Jaymac> i use mms
[03:17] <Jaymac> xmms
[03:17] <redguy||work> gnomefreak: you might have luck with running it with cygwin...
[03:17] <ananth126> its not as good as itunes but at least the interface is quite similar
[03:17] <redvelvet> is rythmbox worth keeping
[03:18] <janne_Newbie> i use only rythm...=)
[03:18] <soundray> redvelvet, there was a review on LWN: http://lwn.net/Articles/160704/
[03:18] <redvelvet> i am going to try installing the other codecs... and see if I like it
[03:18] <VVC> can i import my mails/addressbook from outlook to ubunti - evolution?
[03:18] <soundray> I think the Grumpy Editor series is great...
[03:18] <gnomefreak> redguy|work,  it runs fine on linux i need it to run on windows and if im not mistaken cygwin makes windows games/apps run on linux
[03:18] <ananth126> rythmbox didnt recognize most of my mp3 files - not a valid audio stream :(
[03:19] <jimygc> hi
[03:19] <Jaymac> does amarok play m4a ok?
[03:19] <soundray> gnomefreak, gperiodic depends on glib, gtk and other graphics libraries, which makes it difficult to port, even with Cygwin.
[03:20] <redguy||work> gnomefreak: nope, that is what wine does.
[03:20] <gnomefreak> cygwin doesnt allow you to play win games/apps on linux????????
[03:20] <redguy||work> soundray: correct me if i'm wrong: running software with cywin requires recompiling, right?
[03:20] <Ng> soundray: glib and gtk are already ported
[03:20] <tucoz> what happened to ubotu?
[03:20] <Ng> soundray: evolution/xchat/gaim all use them
[03:21] <gnomefreak> !botsnack
[03:21] <ubotflu> thanks gnomefreak :)
[03:21] <redguy||work> gnomefreak: you are mistaking it with cedega perhaps
[03:21] <gnomefreak> ubotfly yw :)
[03:21] <gnomefreak> yes maybe sorry about that
[03:21] <soundray> redguy|work, unless it's already in the Cygwin repo's
[03:22] <Ng> cygwin doesn't tend to be very graphical, does it?
[03:22] <dxdemetriou> hi. My messages are seen by others?
[03:22] <Ng> things like gaim/xchat/evolution that have been ported are usually done as standalone ports
[03:22] <soundray> Ng, it'll still be a fair amount of work, not least because of the lib dependencies.
[03:22] <Ng> dxdemetriou: yes
[03:22] <dooglus> Ng: cygwin includes x.org
[03:23] <Ng> dooglus: that's irrelevant, we're talking about ports here
[03:23] <dooglus> Ng: ports of what?
[03:23] <Ng> soundray: and as I said just now, most of the libraries are ported
[03:23] <redvelvet> installing plugins told me i need a gstreamer
[03:23] <Ng> dooglus: you don't run the windows port of gaim in an X server, it runs as a native window
[03:23] <Ng> soundray: in fact all of the libraries it depends on have been ported
[03:23] <soundray> Ng, I know what you said. gnomefreak will still have to do a fair amount of work if he wants to port gperiodic to Cygwin.
[03:24] <dooglus> Ng: I was arguing with your "cygwin isn't graphical" statement/question
[03:24] <the_REAL_SLIM_SH> Hi guys/gals?
[03:24] <Ng> soundray: correct, although I still contend cygwin wouldnt be the correct approach
[03:24] <Ng> dooglus: ok
[03:24] <redguy||work> Ng: yup, but it doesn't depend on cygwin
[03:24] <Ng> exactly!
[03:24] <the_REAL_SLIM_SH> I am wondering if I can run PearPC on ubuntu 5.10? or if a .deb is available for it?
[03:24] <dooglus> Ng: cygwin may look like it's just a terminal app at first glance, but it includes an X server and X apps, so yes, it's graphical too...
[03:24] <redguy||work> the_REAL_SLIM_SH: ask uncle google
[03:24] <Ng> dooglus: ok, well we're talkig about native ports, so cygwin is still irrelevant
[03:25] <redvelvet> anyone know everything i need to install to get my rythmbox to play mp3's
[03:25] <Ng> redvelvet: you probably need the gstreamer0.8-mad package from universe
[03:25] <the_REAL_SLIM_SH> lol... good answer, I have and surprisingly, I don't see anything about ubuntu on the official PearPC site also
[03:25] <dxdemetriou> Is there another program like winetools that can try to install any program and not only from the list? If I try to install a program for 2000 or xp it says that the operating system is not ok, and it doesn't give the reason
[03:26] <redvelvet> will the debian version work?
[03:26] <soundray> the_REAL_SLIM_SH, search for a debian package.
[03:26] <the_REAL_SLIM_SH> thanks soundray!
[03:26] <Ng> redvelvet: it's in ubuntu's repositories. Have a look at the RestrictedFormats page in the ubuntu wiki
[03:27] <redvelvet> thanks
[03:28] <teroedni> :D
[03:28] <drcode> hi all
[03:28] <drcode> how can I install in breezy xfce ver 4.2.3.2
[03:28] <drcode> the apt-get say 4.2.2 is the last ver
[03:29] <samuel_> How can I run cgi scripts locally?
[03:29] <redvelvet> i looked at the wiki, it said the file was in the repository.
[03:29] <redguy||work> drcode: any particular reason why you want 4.2.3 ?
[03:29] <rosen> to refresh my gnome I use the killall command ? ... or will that just shut everything down and not reload it ?
[03:29] <Jaymac> anyone got amarok working with m4a?
[03:29] <redvelvet> im confused at what that is..
[03:29] <drcode> the 4.2.2 get hung when I try to quit
[03:29] <Ron_o> drcode: you can install anything just like in gnome
[03:29] <gjk> ?
[03:30] <redguy||work> !
[03:30] <ubotflu> Syntax error in line 1, redguy||work
[03:30] <drcode> k
[03:30] <Ron_o> drcode: look in settings > synaptic package manager...
[03:30] <shinu> anyone here compiled the newest k3b under breezy?
[03:31] <Ron_o> or use apt-get in a terminal window
[03:31] <drcode> thanx
[03:31] <ejofee> what is this error? "dpkg: syntax error: unknown group `fuse' in statusoverride file"
[03:31] <ejofee> it broke my dpkg!
[03:31] <aftertaf> ejofee:  what were you installing?
[03:32] <ejofee> aftertaf: fuse / sshfs stuff
[03:32] <aftertaf> shinu:  no, used the package
[03:32] <ejofee> aftertaf: now it is uninstalled
[03:32] <shinu> im often getting : "growisofs did not exit cleanly" errors trying to burn dvdrws. but the files seem to be alright, just that it doesnt do the md5 check on the files :/
[03:32] <aftertaf> ejofee:  it needs a 'fuse' group
[03:32] <the_REAL_SLIM_SH> rosen to refresh my gnome I use the killall command ? ... or will that just shut everything down and not reload it ? --> Just press CTRL+ALT+BKSPC, it will restart gnome for you
[03:32] <shinu> aftertaf: i need a feature in the newest k3b... thats why i compiled
[03:32] <ejofee> aftertaf: would you advise me to create that group?
[03:32] <dooglus> aftertaf: but it should have made one automatically
[03:32] <aftertaf> ejofee:  ok. seems it has removed the group but the postremoval file mentions it.
[03:32] <ejofee> it, who? dpkg?!
[03:33] <rosen> the_REAL_SLIM_SH, hehe allright, I allready did the command though ;>
[03:33] <aftertaf> dooglus:  yeah but on removal, maybe it removed it too fast
[03:33] <rosen> the_REAL_SLIM_SH, living on the edge... or something
[03:33] <dooglus> sounds like a bug that needs reporting
[03:33] <the_REAL_SLIM_SH> rosen: and what happens?
[03:33] <aftertaf> yep
[03:33] <ejofee> aftertaf: why (on earth!) should dpkg now *always* need a group created by an app which i have uninstalled in the meantime anyway?!
[03:33] <rosen> the_REAL_SLIM_SH, it reloaded gnome, just as I had hoped
[03:33] <ejofee> aftertaf: now dpkg won't do anything at all!
[03:34] <aftertaf> ejofee:  what is the current state? it was being removed and it crashes, ?
[03:34] <the_REAL_SLIM_SH> rosen: lol and thats what you wanted? right?
[03:34] <dooglus> ejofee: i think dpkg knows that it hasn't completely nremoved fuse, and keeps trying to
[03:34] <ejofee> aftertaf: adept, synaptic fail to work and install any further package
[03:34] <rosen> the_REAL_SLIM_SH, yep .. all is fine and dandy .. now all I need to do is figure out how to install the sun java bit ... then my firefox should be all up to date
[03:35] <ejofee> dooglus: is it a known issue for dpkg to be that insistent (in such a way that it will fail doing anything else)?
[03:35] <aftertaf> ejofee:  in that case, go to   /var/lib/dpkg/info/ and edit the .postinst file for that package.....
[03:35] <dxdemetriou> Can I configure my mouse manually in ubuntu 2.10 in Gnome?
[03:35] <aftertaf> fuse.postrm  i mean.....   ejofee
[03:35] <ejofee> aftertaf: "that package" WHAT package? dpgk doesn't work with ANY package anymore.
[03:35] <the_REAL_SLIM_SH> rosen: open your synaptic, goto Settings -> repos
[03:36] <aftertaf> ejofee:  the package that caused the problem is 'fuse', yes or no?
[03:36] <the_REAL_SLIM_SH> rosen: then click on add and add the multiverse and universe, if you havent already done that
[03:36] <ejofee> aftertaf: yes, but again... is it a known issue for dpkg to be that insistent (in such a way that it will fail doing anything else)?
[03:36] <ejofee> aftertaf: i also want to understand the situation
[03:36] <ejofee> aftertaf: (even if it's easy to quick fix it)
[03:37] <aftertaf> ejofee:  edit /var/lib/dpkg/info/fuse.postrm   and remove any references to removing a group called fuse, then try again, with sudo apt-get -f install.
[03:37] <gnomefreak> whats the easiest way to move files from desktop to home folder?
[03:37] <dooglus> communication breakdown?
[03:37] <ejofee> aftertaf: ok, thank you
[03:37] <aftertaf> ejofee:  dpkg needs things to be completely ok on install:removal, otherwise it will fail
[03:37] <aftertaf> ejofee:  not ideal, i admit ;)
[03:37] <rosen> the_REAL_SLIM_SH, I think I did that allready .. allthough i did it manually (to learn ;P )
[03:37] <the_REAL_SLIM_SH> then do this in shell: sudo apt-get install fakeroot java-package
[03:38] <ejofee> aftertaf: so it's specially designed to either force perfect functionality or fail to work?
[03:38] <aftertaf> gnomefreak:  mv ~/desktop/file ~/
[03:38] <ejofee> aftertaf: ok, got it. not ideal, indeed, as long as not (quite) practical.
[03:38] <aftertaf> ejofee:  could well be......
[03:38] <the_REAL_SLIM_SH> rosen: you also need to download a file from sun's website, let me get the URL
[03:38] <gnomefreak> aftertaf, just change word file to filename?
[03:39] <aftertaf> ejofee:  there are command options you can use to force it to process despite the error,    see dpkg -force -help
[03:39] <dooglus> gnomefreak: and s/d/D/
[03:39] <aftertaf> gnomefreak:  yep
[03:39] <the_REAL_SLIM_SH> rosen: go here: http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5.0/download.jsp and download the package you need (make sure you download the .bin file)
[03:39] <redvelvet> HAHASHDOAIFH im playing mp3's!!!
[03:39] <rosen> the_REAL_SLIM_SH, was I supposed to run the fakeroot command aswell ?
[03:40] <aftertaf> *  dpkg --force-help even
[03:40] <ejofee> aftertaf: then again, why should *that* operation take a higher priority? what if the very thing i am doing would be to simply uninstall that app, which would solve the problem at a lower level? it's silly it doesn't allow me to do *anything* else.
[03:40] <dxdemetriou> Am I doing something wrong and no one talks to me?
[03:40] <Quizzer> are thier any tutorials for newbies in setting up a domain name with linux etc..
[03:40] <redvelvet> thanks for all your help
[03:40] <the_REAL_SLIM_SH> rosen: yes you need to run the command like I gave you... if you get any errors, that means you dont have universe and multiverse
[03:40] <aftertaf> dooglus:  thx, i didnt notice the d/D thing, i did press shift, honest ;)
[03:40] <osfameron> dxdemetriou: it's pretty busy here, try asking again
[03:40] <gnomefreak> it tells me no suck file/directory and i even tried it both as cd'ed in desktop and no cd at all
[03:40] <soundray> ejofee: are you looking for help or for an opportunity to moan about software that has been given to you for free?
[03:40] <Ng> freudian slip? ;)
[03:41] <rosen> the_REAL_SLIM_SH, hmm .. allright then I guess I havent done it correctly 'cause I get this E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[03:41] <rosen> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[03:41] <rosen>  .. and I'm only running terminal, firefox and xchat
[03:41] <dxdemetriou> ok. I thought that is not ok to ask the same think again :)
[03:41] <the_REAL_SLIM_SH> rosen: this happens when you have more than one instance of apt-get running (perhaps, you have synaptic running, make sure you quit synaptic before you run apt-get)
[03:41] <aftertaf> ejofee:  cos dpkg maintains a state, and removing a file is also to have the postrm script run to cleanly remove it. if this script is buggy, there will be problems. this is a bug, and a problem with the package, not with dpkg exactly. any other way of working would leave things in a non stable state.
[03:41] <Ng> rosen: are you using sudo?
[03:42] <dxdemetriou> how can i configure the mouse manual in gnome?
[03:42] <aftertaf> ejofee:  but it is frustrating to not understand this and have error messages all over when you install sth else
[03:42] <rosen> Ng, yeah
[03:42] <gnomefreak> dooglus,  what is s/d/D?
[03:42] <redguy||work> dxdemetriou: explain "configure the mouse manual"
[03:42] <dooglus> gnomefreak: shorthand for "replace 'd' with 'D'"
[03:43] <dooglus> gnomefreak: it's "Desktop", not "desktop" y'see?
[03:43] <ejofee> soundray: your comment is not fair. the way you put it is simply mean. all i want to do is learn and i simply want to make sure i am not insane. or i want to find answers to some questions which make us human. like "why".
[03:43] <gnomefreak> oh ok ty
[03:43] <aftertaf> gnomefreak:  my error on typology
[03:43] <marky> Hey all
[03:43] <aftertaf> hey yourself
[03:43] <dxdemetriou> I have mouse with roll in kvm, and if I start the gnome some times works and some times no
[03:43] <rosen> the_REAL_SLIM_SH, my bad ... synaptic was running aswell without me noticing it
[03:43] <dooglus> gnomefreak: you should be able to "cd ~/Desktop" and then "mv <filename> .." to move things up a level
[03:44] <aftertaf> !tell gnomefreak about cli
[03:44] <soundray> ejofee, okay, I understand that. It just seems to me that you aren't giving the system and the people who try to help you enough a) patience, and b) credit.
[03:44] <the_REAL_SLIM_SH> rosen: no worries, just close synaptic and then run this command again: sudo apt-get install fakeroot java-package
[03:44] <gnomefreak> ty i got it once i changed the d to a D
[03:44] <gnomefreak> ty
[03:44] <rosen> the_REAL_SLIM_SH,  yep it's done with no errors this time ;) ... and I'm downloading jdk-1_5_0_06-linux-i586.bin right now
[03:45] <aftertaf> ejofee:  any way, that is why dpkg will spit errors, if a package has a bad install/remove script
[03:45] <dxdemetriou> I want to setup the drivers for the mouse to not be pnp
[03:45] <ejofee> soundray: maybe it's just a matter of style. sometimes i may be somewhat complaining and alarmist. but these attitudes actually hide my desire to understand.
[03:45] <aftertaf> ejofee:  you could also try sudo addgroup fuse then sudo apt-get -f install
[03:45] <redguy||work> dxdemetriou: sorry, don't know how to help you out
[03:45] <the_REAL_SLIM_SH> rosen: perfect, once the download is complete, then cd into the directory where you have downloaded the .bin file
[03:45] <soundray> ejofee, for example, dpkg is a very mature and stable system. It makes sense for it to flag a failure if the consistency of its database is under threat, though. I think that this is a Good Thing(tm)...
[03:46] <dooglus> ejofee: do you remember the name of the package which caused this mess in the first place?
[03:46] <rosen> the_REAL_SLIM_SH, allright, it's a big file though ... god bless my 10MB connection
[03:46] <aftertaf> soundray:  me too, but when you dont understand how/why it is frustrating and you have the impression the whole thing will burst into flames ;)
[03:46] <aftertaf> dooglus:  fuse
[03:46] <ejofee> aftertaf: one more question, then (as i just took a look at the folder with postinstall scripts etc.): how long are they kept there and who deals with regularly cleaning that folder? i have many scripts belonging to packages which have already been uninstalled
[03:46] <dooglus> aftertaf: I don't think there's a package called 'fuse'
[03:47] <aftertaf> fuse-source / fuse-utils
[03:47] <netventure> dooglus: there is a fuse library, FYI
[03:47] <aftertaf> thx netventure  ;)
[03:47] <aftertaf> :P
[03:48] <dooglus> netventure: I know.  there are several fuse-related packages.  I'm asking which one fails to uninstall.
[03:48] <redguy|work> yay! got my nick back!
[03:48] <soundray> ejofee, I hope you get it sorted. But with aftertaf helping, the chances are excellent :)
[03:48] <the_REAL_SLIM_SH> rosen: after cd'ing into the .bin directory, type this: fakeroot make-jpkg jdk-1_5_0_06-linux-i586.bin, this will create a .deb file for you in the same directory
[03:48] <aftertaf> soundray:  i wish....... :] 
[03:48] <dxdemetriou> Is there program to works with wine for xp programs?
[03:48] <ejofee> soundray: i agree. and this is what i was trying to make sure the explanation was. (however, the error could have been better expressed, so that a newbye could understand it... i am a newbye to anything debian)
[03:48] <gnomefreak> ok next question :( is there a way to test to see if make is working right? its installed i checked that but when i go to compile links2 make doesnt do anything
[03:48] <gnomefreak> it tells me no target
[03:48] <aftertaf> gnomefreak:  do you have build-essential installed?
[03:48] <ejofee> soundray: thank you (yes, (s)he's been of help)
[03:49] <gnomefreak> aftertaf, yes
[03:49] <aftertaf> gnomefreak:  try ./configure first
[03:49] <gnomefreak> aftertaf, been there done that
[03:49] <aftertaf> or ./autogen.sh
[03:49] <dooglus> I notice that /var/lib/dpkg/info/fuse-utils.postrm, line 18, uses "is_true" which isn't defined to anything.  could that be the problem?
[03:49] <redguy|work> gnomefreak: did you read the INSTALL file (or README) in the source tarball ?
[03:49] <silfar> Boa tarde pessoal
[03:49] <gnomefreak> ok what is ./autogen.sh?
[03:49] <aftertaf> redguy|work:  that was my next sugegstion ;)
[03:49] <rosen> the_REAL_SLIM_SH, righto .. 90% done
[03:49] <netventure> dooblus: did'nt meant to be as smart ass
[03:50] <gnomefreak> redguy|work,  yes and this is my third time compiling it worked first 2 times not working this time
[03:50] <aftertaf> gnomefreak:  autogen is a script to do good things before making
[03:50] <redguy|work> gnomefreak: and you followed the instructions in that file, right?
[03:50] <Amaranth> `23meg: I don't know what I did. *shrug*
[03:50] <ejofee> aftertaf, soundray: one more question (as i just took a look at the folder with postinstall scripts etc.): how long are they kept there and who deals with regularly cleaning that folder? i have many scripts belonging to packages which have already been uninstalled
[03:50] <the_REAL_SLIM_SH> rosen: once you have created the .deb file, all you have to do is install the debian pkg. type: sudo dpkg -i new_package_of_jdk.deb
[03:50] <`23meg> lol
[03:50] <akurashy> --- Amaranth sets exempt on `23meg!*@unaffiliated/23meg/x-000000001
[03:50] <Ng> gnomefreak: there's a links2 package in ubuntu - that no good?
[03:50] <akurashy> that
[03:51] <kakei> any one knows if exist a wine for ubuntu 64 bits version?
[03:51] <Amaranth> akurashy: oh
[03:51] <gnomefreak> redguy|work, yes and on the site and had johndarkhorse i think is his name help me
[03:51] <`23meg> cool, thanks
[03:51] <Amaranth> akurashy: i guess i found the right button
[03:51] <akurashy> :)
[03:51] <the_REAL_SLIM_SH> rosen: this will install java for you, restart the Firefox and you should be good to go! :)
[03:51] <aftertaf> ejofee:  not sure....... sudo apt-get clean will purge it all, maybe that folder too.
[03:51] <redguy|work> Ng: that was my next suggestion :] 
[03:51] <gnomefreak> ng not really more options when compile from source
[03:51] <Ng> gnomefreak: recompiling the ubuntu package would be easier than building from source
[03:52] <Ng> it's just a text browser though, how many options can there be?! ;)
[03:52] <redguy|work> kakei: AFAIK there's no wine 64 bit version at all
[03:52] <aftertaf> gnomefreak:  tried make uninstall?  have you got too many versions of automake installed? you can iirc remove all up to 1.7
[03:52] <soundray> ejofee, when you uninstall something, do you use the --purge flag?
[03:52] <gnomefreak> Ng,  theres a graphical links2 browser
[03:52] <dxdemetriou> Is there program like winetools to works with wine for xp programs in synaptic?
[03:52] <dooglus> ejofee: I don't know if that folder is ever cleaned out
[03:52] <marky> later chaps
[03:52] <redguy|work> s/wine 64 bit version/64 bit version of wine/
[03:52] <gnomefreak> ok i will try that ty aftertaf
[03:53] <mjr> redguy|work, you're right, there isn't
[03:53] <Ng> gnomefreak: the ubuntu links2 package depends on libx11, so I'd say it includes some graphical stuff
[03:53] <ejofee> soundray: well, i am still synaptic--level
[03:53] <soundray> ejofee, dooglus, in any case, I wouldn't expect a problem even if they were never cleaned out.
[03:53] <ejofee> aftertaf, soundray: what is statoverride? it seems the error is actually located here!
[03:53] <aftertaf> ejofee:  its good to know some apt / dpkg commands too.... helps in those oh so wonderful 'sticky' moments.
[03:54] <aftertaf> ejofee:  i have no idea.... :/
[03:54] <ejofee> aftertaf: i will learn some, certainly
[03:54] <djib> > would you advice installing the 686 version of the kernel if I have a pentium 4
[03:54] <soundray> ejofee, in synaptic, the difference is between "Remove" and "Completely remove"
[03:54] <dooglus> ejofee: I just got the same error I think : "dpkg: syntax error: unknown group `fuse' in statusoverride file", right?
[03:54] <aftertaf> djib:  yes
[03:54] <redguy|work> djib: most certainly
[03:54] <aftertaf> dooglus:  100% right
[03:54] <oxez> can I keep a trace of all apps installed by 'apt-get install kubuntu-desktop' so I can remove everything installed at that time?
[03:54] <aftertaf> adding fuse group can help?
[03:54] <gnomefreak> Ng,  i dont remember being able to run links2 in graphical mode from ubuntus package
[03:54] <Ng> good god that's a horrible browser ;)
[03:54] <Ng> gnomefreak: links2 -h
[03:54] <Ng> err -g
[03:55] <ejofee> soundray: oh, i didn't know "completely remove" meant that... i was just thinking it would also delete the package from the cache :)
[03:55] <the_REAL_SLIM_SH> lynx rocks!
[03:55] <aftertaf> oxez:  you can choose to add it then save the selection for later consumption.
[03:55] <gnomefreak> its not links2 -g?
[03:55] <dooglus> soundray: on my system I have over 6000 files in /var/lib/dpkg/info/, taking 40Mb of disk space.
[03:55] <rosen> the_REAL_SLIM_SH, ehm ok ... it's working hard in terminal at the moment .. heh, I got a few error messages but I think it corrected it by itself by falling back to default
[03:55] <redguy|work> gnomefreak: yes it is, Ng made a typo
[03:55] <ale3hs> update in ubuntu comes to slow
[03:55] <dooglus> soundray: that's 40Mb I could do without being used in the / partition.
[03:55] <ejofee> dooglus: you wanted to use fuse, or just wanted to test it?
[03:55] <dooglus> ejofee: I already use it.  I uninstalled it, then tried to reinstall it, and got that error.
[03:55] <ejofee> dooglus: (right, that is the very same error i am also getting)
[03:55] <oxez> aftertaf: in synaptic you mean?
[03:56] <the_REAL_SLIM_SH> rosen: it might do that, but as long as you get a .deb file in the end, you should be fine
[03:56] <aftertaf> oxez:  yep.
[03:56] <dooglus> ejofee: I'll report it as a bug.
[03:56] <kakei> how can i solve this kakei@kakei:~/Desktop$ sudo dpkg -i cedega_4.4-2_i386.deb
[03:56] <kakei> dpkg: error al procesar cedega_4.4-2_i386.deb (--install):
[03:56] <kakei>  la arquitectura del paquete (i386) no corresponde con la del sistema (amd64)
[03:56] <kakei> Se encontraron errores al procesar:
[03:56] <kakei>  cedega_4.4-2_i386.deb
[03:56] <soundray> dooglus, same here.
[03:56] <dooglus> ejofee: once I've worked out what the problem is exactly.
[03:56] <redguy|work> !tell kakei about pastebin
[03:56] <dooglus> soundray: what?
[03:56] <aftertaf> kakei:  1) dont paste, 2)
[03:56] <ale3hs> is it okay to install gkt-gnutella 0.96 deb by dpkg -i gnutella.deb command??
[03:56] <Ng> kakei: --ignore-arch and please don't paste errors in here
[03:56] <aftertaf> !es
[03:56] <ubotflu> Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #ubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[03:56] <redguy|work> kakei: don't paste in here
[03:56] <oxez> aftertaf: nice idea :) thanks
[03:56] <ejofee> dooglus: now i don't even know how safe it is to edit the statoverride...
[03:56] <rosen> the_REAL_SLIM_SH, yeah got that now
[03:57] <soundray> dooglus, sorry
[03:57] <aftertaf> ale3hs:  if its an ubuntu package, and not available in apt, then yes, if dependencies are met
[03:57] <redguy|work> ale3hs: isn't gnutella in the repositories?
[03:57] <the_REAL_SLIM_SH> now just do: sudo dpkg -i new_package_jdk.deb, restart firefox and you should be fine
[03:57] <redguy|work> !info gtk-gnutella
[03:57] <ubotflu> gtk-gnutella: (shares files in a peer to peer network), section universe/net, is optional. Version: 0.95.4-1 (breezy), Packaged size: 1582 kB, Installed size: 5776 kB
[03:57] <rosen> the_REAL_SLIM_SH, running  sudo dpkg -i sun-j2sdk1.5_1.5.0+update06_i386.deb now
[03:57] <ejofee> dooglus: thank you (for the initiative to report it as a bug)
[03:57] <aftertaf> 0.95 vs 0.96
[03:57] <redguy|work> i see
[03:57] <dooglus> ejofee: wait a while & I'll find a safe way to fix this
[03:57] <rosen> the_REAL_SLIM_SH, nice .. no errors, thanks alot !
[03:57] <dooglus> ejofee: don't delete anything just yet :)
[03:58] <aftertaf> nice one dooglus :] 
[03:58] <ejofee> dooglus: i wonder why the maintainer doesn't see it, though. i guess this bug is quite visible...
[03:58] <ale3hs> redguy|work, nop, but I have installed many packages from dep, but I hav to find the libs they need as well.. it is some annoying that ubuntu does not update some major releases
[03:58] <ejofee> dooglus: ok, thanks. i will be waiting for some advice from you (right?)
[03:59] <tech9iner> misfit_toy moin matey!! ;] ] 
[04:00] <tech9iner> still snoozn eh misfit_toy .. molata palomine.. Ciao 4 now ;]  [of course So Sorry ya missed me! ;] ] 
[04:00] <gib8> hi i tried seahorse and sign a file of my own
[04:01] <gib8> when i open the file i will see tha signature
[04:01] <gib8> but how can i view the file?
[04:01] <dooglus> ejofee: all you need to do is "sudo addgroup fuse" then install anything you like, then "sudo delgroup fuse"
[04:01] <gib8> becouse now its an: data.pdf.sig
[04:01] <dooglus> ejofee: that will let dpkg carry out the action it's trying to do, and then it will forget about it.
[04:02] <ejofee> dooglus: oh... so it's trying to remove a group which doesn't exist (anymore)?
[04:02] <dooglus> ejofee: sorry, I'm not right there...  I just tried it, and it seemed to work, but after deleting the group the problem came back again!
[04:03] <dooglus> ejofee: what I don't understand is why it is still trying to run the fuse-utils.postrm script
[04:04] <mmolina> holas
[04:05] <Ng> dooglus: if the postrm script fails it will be run again next time because the package is in a state where it wants to be removed, but isn't
[04:05] <Ng> so apt will have another go
[04:05] <Ng> when you dpkg -l, the first two characters indicate the current state and the desired state
[04:05] <mmolina> holas
[04:06] <mmolina> hay alguien que quiera hablar un rato
[04:06] <dooglus> Ng: right.  but it's succeeding I think
[04:06] <robotgeek> !es
[04:06] <ubotflu> Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #ubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[04:06] <ejofee> dooglus: i erased some of those scripts
[04:06] <ejofee> dooglus: before doing what you told me
[04:06] <ejofee> dooglus: and now it seems to work
[04:07] <dooglus> ejofee: just erasing the fuse-utils.postrm script would probably have fixed it.
[04:07] <dooglus> ejofee: don't forget to remove the fuse group if you created it
[04:07] <Ng> dooglus: I'd guess otherwise - perhaps it's succeeding, but not returning zero
[04:07] <gnomefreak> ok its telling me cant find makeinfo and ./configure is not the only one that cant find it im looking in synaptic anything i should look for wording wise?
[04:07] <Ng> which apt would see as a failure
[04:07] <mmolina> alguien de chile
[04:07] <Ng> gnomefreak: are you searching names and descriptions in synaptic?
[04:08] <gnomefreak> names
[04:08] <Ng> gnomefreak: texi2html looks like it have makeinfo
[04:08] <redguy|work> gnomefreak: please read the INSTALL file
[04:08] <gnomefreak> ty Ng
[04:08] <djib> hello
[04:08] <Ng> gnomefreak: ah, no, I'm wrong, it doesn't
[04:08] <djib> I'm trying to follow this tutoriel
[04:08] <djib> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=383244&postcount=21
[04:08] <Ng> gnomefreak: it just mentions it in the description
[04:08] <djib> but CC=gcc-3.4 return an error
[04:08] <djib> sudo: CC=gcc-3.4: command not found
[04:09] <djib> what shall I do ?
[04:09] <the_REAL_SLIM_SH> rosen: no problem ;)
[04:09] <dooglus> Ng: if that was the case wouldn't dpkg complain?
[04:09] <dooglus> Ng: apt-get isn't seeing a failure if I create the fuse group
[04:09] <Ng> dooglus: I would expect so, but I haven't seen whatever errors you guys are getting
[04:09] <redguy|work> djib: you are not following that guide
[04:10] <platos> try sudo su first
[04:10] <platos> and then type CC=gcc-3.4
[04:10] <djib> redguy|work: what do you mean ?
[04:10] <djib> oh ok
[04:11] <ejofee> dooglus: OOPS, now i am getting the same error again
[04:11] <ejofee> dooglus: i guess it fell in love with the fuse group and now there should be some eternal marriage between dpkg and fuse... :)
[04:11] <ejofee> dooglus: any solution to this?
[04:11] <dooglus> ejofee: right.  I think the problem isn't with any particular postrm script, but with the fact that the dpkg database has references to the fuse group in it after the fuse group has gone.
[04:12] <Paradosso> how do you get the "you have new mail" message in an ubuntu term?
[04:12] <Chousuke> if someone sends you mail inside the system
[04:12] <gnomefreak> redguy|work,  i did read it you know what its no help but ty for all your help
[04:12] <dr_willis> Paradosso,  thats a feature of bash - that can be set or disabled.. but i forget how. :P
[04:12] <dooglus> ejofee: the fix is to:    sudo bash -c 'addgroup fuse; dpkg-statoverride --remove /usr/bin/fusermount; delgroup fuse'
[04:12] <Paradosso> thanks anyway dr_willis
[04:13] <Paradosso> and thanks dooglus
[04:13] <gnomefreak> here is the install file http://links.twibright.com/download.php
[04:13] <dr_willis> Paradosso,  it checks the mbox or somthing each time you get a prompt.  - i saw it in the "Bash" book by Oreialy. :P but i skimmed that chapter.
[04:13] <Ng> gnomefreak: are you still really sure you don't want to rebuild the ubuntu package? ;)
[04:13] <bretzel> Hi there, it seems to be very hard for me to enable TV out from my nvidia 6200 in post ubuntu installation...
[04:13] <trappist> Paradosso: see the MAILPATH and MAILCHECK environment variables in the bash man page
[04:13] <gnomefreak> Ng,  if i have to use make its not gonna matter make isnt working right
[04:14] <Ng> gnomefreak: except that apt can install dependencies required to rebuild one of its packages
[04:14] <the_REAL_SLIM_SH> Guys/Gals: I want my ubuntu machine to login people that have accounts created on our Win2k3 domain controller. I am sure that I have to use Samba somehow, but not exactly sure what I should look for and where?
[04:14] <gnomefreak> ng you mean apt-get build-dep?
[04:14] <redguy|work> gnomefreak: ok, what does happen in step 5 ?
[04:14] <Ng> yes
[04:14] <ejofee> dooglus: what is statoverride?
[04:15] <freemanen> is there any god screen recording program for ubuntu?
[04:15] <gnomefreak> step 5 i get the first few things are goo but makeinfo it cant find
[04:15] <dooglus> ejofee: when fuse-utils gets installed, it makes dpkg fall in love with the fuse group.  and when fuse-utils gets uninstalled, it tries to break up the marriage.  but by then the fuse group may have vanished.  and so it's unable to get the divorce to go though.
[04:15] <gnomefreak> and the last thing is openssl fails
[04:15] <dooglus> ejofee: `stat overrides' are  a way to tell dpkg  to use a different owner or mode for a file when a package is installed.
[04:15] <platos> the_REAL_SLIM_SH: this might help you : http://www.wyckedone.net/index.php?cat=12
[04:15] <the_REAL_SLIM_SH> platos: Thanks man!
[04:16] <platos> hehe google is your friend :)
[04:16] <redguy|work> gnomefreak: ok, then. lets's see wha package brings makeinfo in. apt-file search makeinfo
[04:16] <the_REAL_SLIM_SH> platos: I did try google, but maybe I wasnt searching the *right* keywords!
[04:16] <gnomefreak> invalade search
[04:17] <ejofee> folks, i have a question: they say enabling root and running ubuntu admin utilities from root could break them. what if i disable root and then "sudo xterm" and run any admin tool from that xterm session -- would that be the same as though running them from (enabled) root?
[04:17] <redguy|work> gnomefreak: hrmmmmmm, no makeinfo here...
[04:17] <gnomefreak> cant install it either :(
[04:17] <dooglus> ejofee: pretty much
[04:17] <gnomefreak> thats why i asked what im looking for
[04:17] <bamboozle> hi
[04:18] <dooglus> ejofee: but anyway, most admin utilities are supposed to be run as root.  it's things like IRC, web, email, etc that shouldn't be run as root.
[04:18] <redguy|work> gnomefreak: hmm
[04:18] <ejofee> dooglus: what if i use sudo from root?!
[04:19] <xkahn> ejofee: I would be surprised if "running ubuntu admin utilities from root" could cause any harm.
[04:19] <ejofee> xkahn: well, that's what they say!
[04:19] <xkahn> ejofee: If you are really concerned, you should be able to figure out the differences.
[04:19] <xkahn> ejofee: try this:
[04:19] <xkahn> ejofee: sudo set
[04:19] <redguy|work> ejofee: scary things will happen when you go to sleep
[04:19] <ejofee> redguy|work: why...?
[04:20] <ejofee> redguy|work :)
[04:20] <xkahn> ejofee: His point is that these are tales to scare you into doing something the correct way.
[04:20] <ejofee> xkahn: thank you for the suggestion
[04:20] <dooglus> ejofee: there's no need to use sudo from root - sudo makes you root, and root is already root.  it has no effect.
[04:20] <dooglus> xkahn: most admin utilities can cause harm in one form or another.  that's why only the admin is allowed to run them.
[04:21] <xkahn> ejofee: Of course, ubuntu has very strict rules about X permissions.
[04:21] <xkahn> ejofee: So maybe that was what "they" meant.
[04:21] <xkahn> It's easy to lose X perms.
[04:21] <ejofee> xkahn, redguy|work: i thought so! i thought it was just some sorta scarry tale. (i have recently come from a distro which doesn't disable root by default)
[04:21] <xkahn> dooglus: My point is that there are environment variables that are different depending on how you become root.
[04:22] <kakei> how can i run 32bits aplications (including i386) on ubuntu64
[04:22] <Ng> kakei: install ia32-libs
[04:22] <xkahn> dooglus: it's possible that a tool only works one way, by depending on those values.
[04:22] <ejofee> xkahn: "sudo xterm" exports the display just fine
[04:22] <xkahn> It's just very unlikely.
[04:22] <xkahn> ejofee: yes.
[04:23] <ejofee> xkahn: it's su that doesn't
[04:23] <gnomefreak> you know i was thinking last few times i did this i had installed links2 from apt im wondering if the makeinfo and openssl is in there and they dont come seprate? but you would think if compiling from source code you wouldnt need to install ubuntu package of it
[04:24] <redguy|work> gnomefreak: makeinfo is in texinfo
[04:24] <xkahn> ejofee: Notice that with sudo, the HOME environment variable isn't effected?
[04:24] <xkahn> with su it is.
[04:24] <egytrack> how can i change screen resolution to something not shown in there [ System > Preference  > screen resolution ]  Only 2 Shown
[04:24] <xkahn> well, with su - anyway.
[04:24] <Kyral> xkahn: sudo -i
[04:24] <ejofee> xkahn: so maybe sudo does what su -m does.
[04:24] <redguy|work> gnomefreak: you need makeinfo to build it, not to run it
[04:24] <gnomefreak> yes i know that
[04:25] <egytrack> little help in screen resolution plz
[04:25] <Pupeno> Hello.
[04:25] <gnomefreak> but thats the only thing im doing different
[04:25] <Paradosso> trappist, I saw the MAILPATH and MAILCHECK variables, it seems I should already have the standard notification in a term, which I have not
[04:25] <Paradosso> any hints?
[04:25] <redguy|work> ejofee: sorry, was going to make up a scary story, but it would take too long
[04:25] <redguy|work> gnomefreak: you got texinfo yet?
[04:25] <egytrack> i only have 800X600 and 640X480 how i can add more ?
[04:26] <gnomefreak> im doing that now
[04:26] <Kyral> egytrack: is your monitor capable of more?
[04:26] <MaFiaBoY> !tell egytrack about fixres
[04:26] <kakei> Ng i have all the ia32-libs but i keep not able to 'dpkg -i something_i386.deb
[04:26] <fredl_> hi everybody. I seem to have lost my trashbin on my desktop. Any way to get it back there?
[04:26] <Pupeno> I am in need of updated packages for Haskell, I am planning to backport those on Dapper which are updated and/or update them as necesary. Should I use my own separate repository ? Is there any interest in having this on breezy-backports ?
[04:26] <ejofee> redguy|work: please make a shorter version of it. i am interested :)
[04:26] <egytrack> Kyral , Yes
[04:27] <bozel> hello
[04:27] <Ng> kakei: even with --ignore-arch?
[04:27] <bozel> i ve a problem
[04:27] <MaFiaBoY> kakei > try with sudo...
[04:27] <bozel> i cant install ubuntu on my notebook
[04:27] <gnomefreak> this time found makeinfo
[04:27] <bozel> Dell Latitude D610
[04:27] <bozel> can anybody help me?
[04:27] <MaFiaBoY> bozel > what exactly is the problem ?
[04:27] <minimec> onfire_nux:
[04:27] <kakei> sudo dpkg -i --ignore-arch something.deb?
[04:28] <Ng> kakei: or maybe I mean --force-arch, I forget which option it is
[04:28] <gnomefreak> still errors on OpenSSL
[04:28] <bozel> after i install the kernel
[04:28] <fredl_> hi everybody. I seem to have lost my trashbin on my desktop. Any way to get it back there?
[04:28] <bozel> it stops at 36% or so
[04:28] <bozel> and says cant install package "Linux i368"
[04:28] <kakei> Ng 'arch' is a unknow function
[04:29] <Ng> kakei: try --force-architecture, or see dpkg's man page for the exact option
[04:30] <redguy|work> gnomefreak: got openssl and libssl-dev ?
[04:30] <fredl_> I've set up autofs so I can cd into /net/<systemname>/share....
[04:30] <fredl_> but on startup, obviously nothing can be seen in /net
[04:31] <fredl_> is there a way that file browser *can* see what's there?
[04:31] <MaFiaBoY> bozel > certainly a bad CD
[04:31] <gnomefreak> i had the dev but i didnt have openssl and when i apt-get install it it doesnt find it but i found it in synaptic
[04:32] <redguy|work> fredl_: you might want to create symlinks somewhere, that's the only way I can think of to make it work as you want it
[04:32] <fredl_> hmm that's an idea....
[04:32] <royce> when I try to resize the partition on my hard drive to install ubuntu the system freezes, the hard disk is formated ntfs and has a mjority of it empty
[04:33] <fredl_> pretty decent idea actually. as long as you know what systems will export filesystems, just make symlinks for those. tnx redguy.
[04:33] <redguy|work> gnomefreak: you sure that you didn't misspell openssl ?
[04:33] <gnomefreak> i used caps for the ossl :(
[04:33] <redguy|work> fredl_: np
[04:33] <gnomefreak> like they say it in ./configure
[04:33] <gnomefreak> still not found :(
[04:34] <redguy|work> fredl_: you might make a different dir configured with autofs, and put symlinks in your /net dir
[04:34] <kakei> Ng ermm didnt
[04:34] <kakei> work
[04:34] <fredl_> the whole removable devices stuff is also set up quite nicely in Ubuntu BTW
[04:35] <fredl_> well it's actually GNOME ofcourse, but I never used to run GNOME on my debian box
[04:35] <redguy|work> gnomefreak: hrm, libssl-dev is installed?
[04:35] <gnomefreak> yes
[04:36] <redguy|work> fredl_: what kind of shares you want to access? NFS stuff?
[04:36] <gnomefreak> 0.9.7 version of libssl
[04:36] <gnomefreak> -dev
[04:36] <fredl_> redguy - yeah.
[04:36] <redguy|work> gnomefreak: libssl-*dev* ?
[04:36] <gnomefreak> yes in synaptic they are one under the other both installed looking at both
[04:37] <redguy|work> fredl_: maybe there is another, nicer way to do it with gnome's virtual filesystem
[04:37] <gnomefreak> i just marked libopenssl-ruby1.9 but not really sre if thats gonna help
[04:37] <fredl_> well I'll have to figure that out later redguy, gotta dash now
[04:38] <redguy|work> gnomefreak: tha most propably won't help
[04:38] <redguy|work> s/tha/that/
[04:39] <gnomefreak> i kind of figured that but i have everything else it depends on
[04:40] <redguy|work> gnomefreak: you might look into configure.sh and see what it is looking for when checking for openssl and then look up the package with these files with apt-file search
[04:40] <gnomefreak> ok ty redguy|work
[04:40] <egytrack> how to solve the proplem with taskbar , i have long Xchat down in task bar
[04:41] <redguy|work> gnomefreak: can't figure of anything more, sorry
[04:41] <egytrack> i mean Xchat Square too long
[04:42] <egytrack> in taskbar .. anyone understand me ?
[04:42] <egytrack> you know what i mean , why it's too tall
[04:42] <MaFiaBoY> royce > NTFS resizing is a complicated matter, the best tool for it imo is DiskDrake (it is Mandrake/Mandriva's intallation program's partitioning tool)
[04:44] <derf> is there a known issue with ubuntu's NFS implementation that causes it to take >2 minutes to mount a filesystem over NFS?   I've tried mounting filesystems from ubuntu off of redhat, suse and ubuntu NFS servers, and all of them are consistently slow. redhat clients can mount the same nfs exports nearly instantly. dmesg on the ubuntu client complains "portmap: server localhost not responding, timed out", but I don't know why the system is even looking at l
[04:44] <marino_> hello from italy
[04:44] <AlexNoob> Hola
[04:44] <royce> thanks MaFiaBoY , have u ever used qtparted, it's on linux resue cd i'm d/l now, to get the other one, will i need to aqire the madrive install iso's?
[04:44] <Kyral> royce: the Parted family should be able to take care of it
[04:45] <tRSS> Kyral: when I run parted, all the partitions are locked. is it because Parted is not being run as root?
[04:45] <Kyral> tRSS: Bingo
[04:45] <royce> Kyral: does that set of tools have a bppt loader program, i just really don't wish to loose my current system
[04:45] <Kyral> and you need to umount the drive
[04:45] <MaFiaBoY> royce > yes I have. I haven't been able to resie anything with it :/
[04:46] <royce> *boot
[04:46] <Kuyaedz> You can't resize/edit a partition that is currently mounted.  You'll need to unmount &/or run from a live CD
[04:46] <Oli4> hi all
[04:46] <royce> MaFiaBoY: can u point me in the direction of the tool u use?
[04:47] <MaFiaBoY> royce > it's the one I told you
[04:47] <Oli4> is it a known problem that a breezy netinstall has a package conflict between lubesd0 and libesd-alsa0 ?
[04:47] <MaFiaBoY> I've downloaded Mandriva"s isos just or this :p
[04:47] <MaFiaBoY> for*
[04:47] <Oli4> it's impossible to do the netinstall, because baseconfig fails...
[04:48] <rosen> it seems I cannot apt-get libdivx4linux ... any other divx plugins out there ?
[04:50] <valentijn> Hi, did anyone here succeed in a Ubuntu 5.10 netinstall?
[04:51] <Oli4> lib-esd0 and libesd-also0 I meant
[04:51] <valentijn> For 5.4, we had no problems, but 5.10 fails because base-config new bails out, telling me ...
[04:51] <valentijn> ... it's trying to install both libesd0 and libesd-alsa0
[04:51] <valentijn> (which it can't, for obvious reasons)
[04:52] <twixmr> hi.i have a problem with the nvidia-driver. if i install it, i don't get a signal after the boot is done. can someone help me?
[04:52] <Kuyaedz> valentijn: what error are you getting? package not found?
[04:52] <valentijn> Nope, it bails out with a package conflict
[04:53] <valentijn> Wait, I'll reproduce, just a second
[04:53] <tRSS> Kyral: how can I start Parted with root powers from shell?
[04:53] <valentijn> ... choosing language, now it's "preparing for installation", after which...
[04:53] <minimec> valentijn: are you doing a clean installation?
[04:53] <valentijn> ... "Er was een probleem bij het installeren van de gekozen programma's"
[04:54] <valentijn> Yep, doing a clean netinstall on a crips, clean harddrive.
[04:54] <royce> MaFiaBoY: would the free mini cd still have the tools I need, that would be really great if it does
[04:54] <valentijn> History: had a fine X40 IBM with 5.4 (netinstalled without problem)
[04:54] <valentijn> Upgraded to 5.10 without problem.
[04:55] <soundray> Oli4, valentijn, you both seem to have the same problem. Is it a coincidence that you are both in .nl?
[04:55] <valentijn> Harddisk broke down last week, got new one, tried netinstall
[04:55] <minimec> valentijn: ok. so I can't help you :-( I had a problem once with a debian netinstall that failed, because I used an old /var partition. The NetInstaller does not love that...
[04:55] <valentijn> Well, no, Oli4 is fixing the same problem
[04:55] <valentijn> on same laptop
[04:56] <MaFiaBoY> royce > dunno
[04:56] <soundray> valentijn, okay...
[04:56] <MaFiaBoY> I use old Mandrake 10.0 CDs I downloaded hen Mandrake was still free
[04:57] <valentijn> where do the package selections come from
[04:57] <Thanatermesis> Microsoft Windows loves Ubuntu ? or bill gates is trying to confuse to the ppl about the UBUNTU Logo for continue their monopol ? (oh, ubuntu is from windows :))
[04:58] <twixmr> i don`t get a signal on my tft after i have installed the nvidia-driver.
[04:59] <soundray> valentijn, perhaps you want to try a server install, and then apt-get install ubuntu-desktop or whatever you need.
[04:59] <Thanatermesis> http://spaces.msn.com/editorial/ES-ES/images/logo.html/Spaces_icon1.gif <---------
[04:59] <Thanatermesis> what is this ? :)
[05:00] <valentijn> soundray: that sounds like a good workaround for now
[05:00] <DonC_82> hi leutz
[05:00] <trappist> Thanatermesis: wow
[05:00] <valentijn> However, where should the dependency problem come from?
[05:00] <Thanatermesis> trappist yeah... wow, its MICROSOFT !!! ----> http://spaces.msn.com/?mkt=es-es
[05:01] <soundray> valentijn, if a package depends on two packages that conflict with one another, that would be a bug. Please report!
[05:01] <Oli4> I wonder if the dependency conflict during a netinstall happens during *every* netinstall
[05:02] <redguy|work> Thanatermesis: hrmmm, worth mentioning to canonical
[05:02] <soundray> Oli4, can you point me to the instructions you are following?
[05:02] <DonC_82> hi guys. i use the mail-program evolution. can anyone tell me how i can export the contacts?
[05:02] <bozel> when i start ubuntu, the desktop is black
[05:02] <valentijn> soundray: yes, but now how do I find out what's the conflict here?
[05:02] <bozel> what should i do?
[05:02] <soundray> DonC_82, save them in vcard format. Most other programs can import vcards.
[05:02] <valentijn> I only know that base-config new stops, but I don't know where it selects the package list from
[05:03] <twixmr> i have the same prob as bozel
[05:03] <tobi-wan[away] > bozel: do you see gdm, where you can log in?
[05:03] <DonC_82> soundray: and can i import the vcards in evolution a later time?
[05:03] <soundray> DonC_82, yes.
[05:04] <valentijn> soundray: I'll try an English install.
[05:04] <DonC_82> soundray: nice, thank you. and is a export of the emails possible to?
[05:04] <Thanatermesis> redguy|work the question is "why?", power of marketing or total desesperation ? or "MS don't have creativity" ? with money.. you have any creativity of the world...
[05:04] <soldieruk400> hi all
[05:04] <_jason> hi can anyone explain to me what the following (the mapping part) means in my auth.log: Dec 12 20:43:15 localhost sshd[12745] : Address 209.126.160.243 maps to 4h169248.aspadmin.net, but this does not map back to the address - POSSIBLE BREAKIN ATTEMPT!
[05:04] <valentijn> Maybe there's a conflict in some of the NL language packages
[05:04] <tobi-wan[away] > bozel: phrased differently, what's the last thing you see _before_ the screen goes black?
[05:05] <soundray> valentijn, it's difficult to work out before you have installed a system. Not sure if switching to English will help.
[05:05] <redguy|work> Thanatermesis: or maybe this a preliminary action to sue canonical for ubuntu logo
[05:05] <redguy|work> Thanatermesis: you can expect anything from these people
[05:05] <Thanatermesis> yeah, i vote about is a preliminary action... what next ?:)
[05:05] <Kuyaedz> MS is a bunch of hacks
[05:06] <Oli4> soundray: well, valentyn is actually installing the machine, I'm brainstorming what could cause a package conflict during a netinstall
[05:06] <soundray> DonC_82, I think Evolution stores mail in standard mbox format, with extensions in separate files. You can open mboxs with, e.g. mutt -f
[05:06] <_jason> Thanatermesis, that's been on the forums and there is (german I think?) company that had a similar logo even before ubuntu
[05:06] <twixmr> tobi-wan[away] : the last screen i see is the boot-screen. i can't see the screen where i log in.
[05:06] <redguy|work> Thanatermesis: or maybe msn spaces is crappy and they want people to assiociate crappiness with the logo representing three people holding hand in a circle
[05:07] <tobi-wan[away] > twixmr: so, you do see the gdm login screen and can login, right?
[05:07] <soundray> Oli4, you could find out the reverse-depends for both packages and look for common lines.
[05:07] <soundray> Oli4, I'll have a go...
[05:07] <Oli4> soundray: ok, thanks
[05:07] <Kuyaedz> sounds like as soon as GDM loads the new driver it goes black.  Did you make a backup of your conf?
[05:07] <redguy|work> Thanatermesis: but I'm hopefuly being paranoid :-)
[05:08] <DonC_82> soundray: i'm only a linux-beginner. i've never heard of mbox before. does it mean, the mails are stored on a central place? independent from the mail-program?
[05:08] <twixmr> tobi-wan[away] : no i can't see the screen
[05:08] <Oli4> DonC_82: mbox is a mailbox format
[05:08] <gnomefreak> ssl is just for like paypal and crap right?
[05:09] <twixmr> tobi-wan[away] : but if i press (ctrl+alt+f1) i can see something
[05:09] <tobi-wan[away] > twixmr: ok..... when you press ctrl+mod+f1, do you see a console?
[05:09] <twixmr> or f3
[05:09] <Oli4> DonC_82: often mail is stored in ~/Mail/somefile and somefile is then in mbox format
[05:09] <odat> Just thought I would let anyone that wants to know how to get all streaming media (including wmv) to work with gstreamer and totem I stumbled upon a solution today if ya wanna know
[05:09] <tobi-wan[away] > twixmr: fine, then log in there
[05:09] <ananth126> DonC_82: mbox is the mail format used by older txt based mail programs... other ones like kmail/evolution have their own files but can read mbox files too
[05:09] <Kuyaedz> ssl is used for a lot of things.  I use it on my server for secure email, secure admin pages, etc..
[05:09] <valentijn> soundray, oli4: I'm currently installing the US version, netinstall as well. If that works then...
[05:09] <twixmr> tobi-wan[away] : how?
[05:09] <valentijn> ... we know that it's a NL language dependency that's wrong.
[05:09] <tobi-wan[away] > twixmr: there's a login console, right? it asks for your username
[05:09] <trappist> Kuyaedz: ssl is for any network traffic you don't want everybody to read
[05:09] <bozel> tobi-wan[away] : i cant see it
[05:09] <egytrack> could anyone know how to fix this ?
[05:09] <soundray> DonC_82, the mbox-formatted mail file is in some folder (directory) that evolution accesses.
[05:09] <egytrack> http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/848/taskbar0yv.jpg
[05:09] <bozel> its too fast
[05:09] <gnomefreak> Kuyaedz,  so if i dont need the security for this browser than i dont need it for this one right?
[05:10] <twixmr> tobi-wan[away] : ok. i know. and then?
[05:10] <bozel> [ok] 
[05:10] <soundray> DonC_82, you can copy it elsewhere and access.
[05:10] <tobi-wan[away] > twixmr: open /var/log/Xorg.0.log and search for an error-message at the bottom
[05:10] <soundray> DonC_82, tied up right now, but I'll have a look later.
[05:10] <tobi-wan[away] > bozel: what is too fast?
[05:10] <DonC_82> soundray: ok, but how can i find out where this directory is?
[05:10] <Kuyaedz> gnomefreak: well the ssl is run on the server-end so unless you're putting together secure-http on a server...
[05:10] <tobi-wan[away] > bozel: when the screen goes blank, press ctrl-mod-f1
[05:11] <gnomefreak> Kuyaedz,  no im compiling links2 web browser
[05:11] <bozel> the text
[05:11] <Oli4> DonC_82: if you know a certain phrase that is in your emails, try 'grep -r phrase .* *'
[05:11] <Oli4> that searches through all files for 'phrase'
[05:11] <bozel> there stands /dev/hda No such file or directory
[05:11] <tRSS> is there way to findout which packages were installed today?
[05:11] <twixmr> tobi-wan[away] : ok. i'll try. cu later
[05:11] <Kuyaedz> gnomefreak: I'm not familiar with links2 but you could try and skip it, yeah
[05:11] <egytrack> Xchat Square too long check this picture i don't mean xchat if i open any program alone just see
[05:11] <egytrack> http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/848/taskbar0yv.jpg
[05:11] <egytrack> the picture
[05:12] <DonC_82> Oli4: right. ok. i'll try it :-)   thank you all
[05:12] <gnomefreak> ok ty
[05:12] <egytrack> u will know what i mean .. plz help
[05:12] <tobi-wan[away] > twixmr: eh.... ok :-D
[05:12] <Kuyaedz> gnomefreak: UNLESS, with that program, it uses it on your end as well to communicate with the ssl server side
[05:12] <gnomefreak> that i dont know but gives me a choice weather to enable ssl
[05:13] <gnomefreak> it still gave me the error :(
[05:13] <Kuyaedz> gnomefreak: try including it then?
[05:13] <gnomefreak> Kuyaedz,  i was
[05:13] <redguy|work> good lord! if I understand correctly the terms of use of the MSN spaces, you grant all rights to the material stored there to M$! This company is pure evil indeed
[05:13] <bozel> tobi-wan[away] : /dev/hda/ No such file or Directory
[05:13] <gnomefreak> ive installed everything i can think of with openssl
[05:13] <bozel> the last line
[05:14] <Thanatermesis> redguy|work welcome to the real world :)
[05:14] <Kuyaedz> redguy|work: send a link to those terms?
[05:14] <Raskall-mob> bozel: remove the final /
[05:14] <Thanatermesis> the shepherds will be brutal while the ewes are stupid
[05:14] <minimec> odat: wb ... Well I played around with the plugin. I'm quiet satisfied with it. Can you tell me what 'check for embed media now' means?
[05:14] <tobi-wan[away] > bozel: !? where did you get that error message from?
[05:14] <bozel> Strg + Alt + F1
[05:15] <joachim-n> whoa. ..... GTFP just quit on me!
[05:15] <valentijn> soundray, oli4: first stage install done, system is restarting...
[05:15] <bozel> there stands:
[05:15] <valentijn> Aha, aha. Problem comes up again!
[05:16] <redguy|work> Kuyaedz: http://privacy2.msn.com/tou/en-us/default.aspx
[05:16] <soundray> Oli4, I can't track the conflict on my system. I suggest you file a bug against the installer.
[05:16] <bozel> Starting laptop_mode
[05:16] <tobi-wan[away] > bozel: did you do anything to the computer or was it a clean install? /dev/hda normally is your harddisk (without the trailing slash, was that a typo from your side?)
[05:16] <soundray> DonC_82, still here?
[05:16] <DonC_82> yes :-)
[05:16] <bozel> /dev/hda: No such file or directory
[05:16] <_GNAM_> what about torvalds position about gnome? http://linuxtoday.com/developer/2005121301326OSDTGN
[05:16] <bozel> clean install
[05:16] <tobi-wan[away] > bozel: well..... can you log in?
[05:16] <bozel> yes
[05:16] <Kuyaedz> _GNAM: I read that on slashdot.  I still don't agree.  Gnome is cleaner & simpler
[05:16] <Raskall-mob> bozel: do you have ide disk or sata/scsi disk? try /dev/sda
[05:16] <bozel> i think my hard disk is sda
[05:16] <valentijn> It seems that the netinstall is broken in some way.
[05:16] <Kuyaedz> KDE seems bloated
[05:17] <Oli4> _GNAM_: that's just thorvalds his meaning, we have free speech here
[05:17] <odat> minimec, i'm guessing that is an option if you have the automatic checking turned off and you know your on a page with embedded media you can do it manually
[05:17] <Juhaz> troll is a troll, doesn't matter if it's Linus that's trolling
[05:17] <tobi-wan[away] > *g*
[05:17] <Oli4> valentijn: same problem?
[05:17] <redguy|work> Kuyaedz: under 6
[05:17] <bozel> no
[05:17] <valentijn> same problem.
[05:17] <bozel> there isnt any /dev/sda
[05:17] <tobi-wan[away] > there are both fast window managers and candy ones, we are free to choose
[05:17] <Kuyaedz> redguy|work: what site are you reading the terms?
[05:17] <tobi-wan[away] > bozel: /dev/sda normally is a harddisk, tooo
[05:17] <tobi-wan[away] > bozel: where did you install ubuntu to?
[05:17] <Kuyaedz> redguy|wpork: sorry, missed it above
[05:17] <Oli4> valentijn: weird, you would expect that more people do a netinstall.....
[05:18] <bozel> on my hd
[05:18] <minimec> odat: Could be that. Let's try it :-) ...
[05:18] <soundray> DonC_82, it seems that evolution stores its mail in /home/(yourname)/.evolution/mail/local -- check it out.
[05:18] <bozel> third partition
[05:18] <bozel> ext3
[05:18] <DonC_82> soundray: ok. thx !
[05:18] <tobi-wan[away] > bozel: fine.... what does ctrl-mod-f2 give you?
[05:18] <tobi-wan[away] > bozel: we need a login :-D
[05:18] <soundray> valentijn, it may be a new problem, with libesd's version having changed recently.
[05:18] <valentijn> I have the following stuff running now (approx): /usr/sbin/base-config -i, which runs menu/pkgsel new, then ehr... well, I think the pkgsel gives the error
[05:19] <bozel> ubuntu login:
[05:19] <Kuyaedz> Microsoft may monitor your e-mail, or other electronic communications... (included in same terms)
[05:19] <bozel> should i login?
[05:19] <refnumzx> having problems with ssh pub/priv keys generate key pairs on server i want to ssh from put pub key on server i want to ssh too, and it still prompts me for password..ideas? chmod 700 on dirs and 600 on files.
[05:19] <bozel> i m logged in in F1
[05:19] <tobi-wan[away] > bozel: yes, please
[05:19] <bozel> ok
[05:19] <bozel> now?
[05:19] <valentijn> yep, pstree shows termwrap -- script -- script -- base-config -- pkgsel -- frontend -- pkgsel&whiptail
[05:19] <Oli4> so the list that pkgsel uses in netinstall has a conflict
[05:19] <hmpedersen> right.. they gave me a new router..
[05:20] <tobi-wan[away] > bozel: open /var/log/Xorg.0.log and search for an error around the end
[05:20] <hmpedersen> and now.. my wlan card refuses to try and connect!
[05:20] <DonC_82> soundray: if i open my filemanager, i can't see a directory named "evolution" in my /home/(myname)-directory
[05:20] <tobi-wan[away] > bozel: and while you are at it, do the same for dmesg (dmesg | tail)
[05:20] <Oli4> DonC_82: .evolution (see the dot)
[05:21] <Oli4> DonC_82: that thus is a hidden directory
[05:21] <bozel> ???
[05:21] <soundray> DonC_82, you have to tell the file manager to show hidden files, and look for .evolution
[05:21] <bozel> what is dmesg/
[05:21] <bozel> ?
[05:21] <inx> guys.....i'm da lamer in Linux...how to install programs in that..i mean i know about /.configure make make install...but that doesnt work (from tgz) and how about *.deb?
[05:21] <DonC_82> soundray: ok, i'm using nautilus. how can i tell it?
[05:21] <bozel> how can i see an error
[05:22] <Kuyaedz> inx: you should try apt-get or Synaptic for ease of install
[05:22] <bozel> the text has 2285 lines
[05:22] <inx> and how to lad packages there?
[05:22] <DonC_82> soundray: ah, i get it
[05:22] <inx> and...can u expalin me coulpe consloe commands...please
[05:22] <redguy|work> bozel: dmesg | less
[05:22] <tobi-wan[away] > bozel: go to the end of the file
[05:23] <tobi-wan[away] > bozel: rather dmesg | tail , for starters
[05:23] <Kuyaedz> inx: ok. what are you trying to install?
[05:23] <tobi-wan[away] > the same for the Xorg.0.log
[05:23] <valentijn> oli4, soundray: I'm trying to find out what pkgsel does...
[05:23] <tristan_> anyone manage to access to gnome-llok.org or is it temporary down?
[05:23] <redguy|work> bozel: erm, didn't read what you wrote eralier, look ahet tobi-wan[away]  said
[05:23] <tristan_> gnome-look.org sorry
[05:23] <inx> at first OPERA :) I dont like firefox...
[05:23] <bozel> there are some warnings
[05:23] <Kuyaedz> tristan_: not loading for me..
[05:23] <tristan_> ok
[05:24] <Kuyaedz> tristan_: connection refused
[05:24] <tobi-wan[away] > tristan_: offline since some time, for me, too
[05:24] <juliux> hi i have a hp nx6110 with a intel i810 graficcard, if i try to turn on the vga out i only get this error message:  video bus notify   any idea what i can do?
[05:24] <minimec> odat: I am not sure if that function has any effect on a linux system. In my case it does not.
[05:24] <inx> in da read they sam /.configure make make istall...
[05:24] <redguy|work> tristan_: some people earlier today couldn't connect to it which most propably means that it's down
[05:24] <bozel> how can i locate an error?
[05:25] <inx> in da readme they sad /.configure make make install
[05:25] <bozel> stands there "ERROR", or something like that?
[05:25] <tobi-wan[away] > bozel: it says [EE]  or something in the Xorg.0.log
[05:25] <redguy|work> bozel: errors begin with EE
[05:25] <bozel> ah ok
[05:25] <odat> minimec, could be although i'm extremely happy with this solution
[05:25] <minimec> odat: So am I. THX again
[05:26] <egytrack> is there something to play Quciktime movies ?
[05:26] <bozel> there are some
[05:26] <siriusnova> hi guys
[05:26] <odat> minimec, no prob i'm sorta promoting this cool extension since it made my day lolol
[05:26] <juliux> has nobody an idea?
[05:26] <siriusnova> anyone awake?
[05:26] <egytrack> Quicktime in Ubuntu [ How to play Mov files ? ] 
[05:26] <soundray> On the Torvalds - Gnome statement: I know exactly what he means. I have Gnome running, because it's the Ubuntu default, and Ubuntu has done a great job of the system tools. Whenever I encounter raw Gnome myself, it makes me shudder...
[05:26] <bozel> (EE)Synaptics Touchpad no synatics touchpad detected and no repeater device
[05:26] <inx> r u still here?
[05:26] <siriusnova> im thinking of starting up an UbuntuApps.org website, kind of like KDE-Apps.org, it will have reviews and screenshots and a comments section for submitted apps, what do you guys think?
[05:27] <Kuyaedz> inx: one second
[05:27] <minimec> odat: So I was lucky to be in the right #channel today :-)
[05:27] <inx> Kuyaedz, r u still here?
[05:27] <inx> ok:)
[05:27] <tobi-wan[away] > siriusnova: nice idea, but there are no ubuntuapps, as far as i can tell :-)
[05:27] <odat> minimec, lol
[05:27] <lee__> anyone familiar with installing libwx_gtk2* on breezy ?
[05:27] <soundray> siriusnova, I would read that.
[05:27] <lee__> i need it for my WASTE client
[05:28] <lee__> ..i cant find it in Synaptix
[05:28] <siriusnova> tobi-wan[away]  - true but I was thinking of making it more like a site so that we can filter out and find apps that are interesting, weird etc.. Apps that are kind of hard to pick out using just Synaptic
[05:28] <lee__> Synaptic
[05:28] <bozel> (tobi-wan[away]  && redguy|work: (EE)Synaptics Touchpad Unable to query/initialize Synaptics hardware.
[05:28] <siriusnova> like we could have a "Cool App of the Day", "Games, Multimedia, Themes" etc..
[05:28] <tobi-wan[away] > siriusnova: it sure sounds like a fun idea
[05:29] <tobi-wan[away] > bozel: anything else? this just says your touchpad won't work :-)
[05:29] <siriusnova> Basically make life easier compared to searching through synaptic heh
[05:29] <dr_willis> i tend to just use freshmeat.net
[05:29] <bozel> (tobi-wan[away]  && redguy|work: (EE)PreInnit failed for input device "Synaptics Touchpad"
[05:29] <dr_willis> actually - isent theres some apt database of all the apps and stuff?
[05:30] <dr_willis> i seem to recall using such a web site once.
[05:30] <tobi-wan[away] > siriusnova: yes, i see that. it would cut away all those libs....
[05:30] <siriusnova> dr_willis - but a lot of freshmeat stuff isnt in Ubuntu, and it would be nice to have an Ubuntu specific website so if people have problems etc..
[05:30] <Kyral> dr_willis: packages.ubuntu.com
[05:30] <siriusnova> hmm
[05:30] <aTypical> Hello all.  I'm interested in testing Flight-1.  Does Ubuntu make all the extras, like mp3 support and dvd support, available for the test releases?
[05:30] <tobi-wan[away] > bozel: anything else? concerning this message, you should open /etc/X11/xorg.conf and delete all synaptics entries
[05:30] <L33Hambley> Anyone know how/where to install libwx on Breezy5.10
[05:30] <Kyral> aTypical: you install them the same way you do on Breezy
[05:30] <joachim-n> my gnome menu is frozen -- how do I restart that or the panel?
[05:31] <Kyral> L33Hambley: which one
[05:31] <tRSS> joachim-n: press CTRL+ALT+BACKSPACE
[05:31] <tRSS> joachim-n: this will restart your gnome
[05:31] <aTypical> Kyral,  I'm pretty new so I apologize for stupid questions, but is that under the Universe repo?
[05:31] <L33Hambley> Kyral - any
[05:32] <Kyral> aTypical: MP3 and DVD support is not out of the box, for legal issues
[05:32] <L33Hambley> i'm getting qierd behaviour from Synaptic
[05:32] <L33Hambley> unable to resolve dependancies
[05:32] <L33Hambley> ...of packages that are listed right there on my search
[05:32] <tobi-wan> sorry, bozel, did i miss anything?
[05:32] <Kyral> LeeJunFan: I see libwxgtk2.6-0
[05:32] <aTypical> Kyral, right, I'm okay with that.  Thanks for your help.  I think I'll just give it a shot and see what it does. :-)
[05:32] <L33Hambley> libwxgtk2.4-1:
[05:32] <L33Hambley>  Depends: libglib1.2 (>=1.2.0) but it is not installable
[05:32] <L33Hambley>  Depends: libgtk1.2 (>=1.2.10-4) but it is not installable
[05:32] <bozel> no
[05:32] <bozel> i m searching
[05:33] <bozel> in Xorg.conf
[05:33] <tobi-wan> bozel: what's the last error in Xorg.0.log?
[05:33] <egytrack> when i try to set wallpaper from image in firefox it's hangup ,, is it me or it's dosn't set wallpapers !
[05:33] <tucoz> hmm, has ubotu been removed?
[05:33] <L33Hambley> Kyral, thanks
[05:33] <bozel> (EE)PreInnit failed for input device "Synaptics Touchpad"
[05:33] <bozel> should i reboot now?
[05:33] <tobi-wan> bozel: there is a ServerLayout Section, where you just have to comment the line for synaptics
[05:34] <soundray> tucoz, try ubotflu
[05:34] <tucoz> soundray, thanks
[05:34] <L33Hambley> lee@wr0kstation:~/Desktop$ ./waste
[05:34] <L33Hambley> ./waste: error while loading shared libraries: libwx_gtk2u_xrc-2.5.so.3: cannot
[05:34] <L33Hambley> and i cant seem o find that in Synaptic either
[05:34] <L33Hambley> to find*
[05:34] <soundray> tucoz, it seems to have caught some infection :)
[05:34] <tucoz> soundray, that didn't work. It is /msg ubotfly <query> right?
[05:35] <tucoz> I see, probably something wrong.
[05:35] <jbroome> tucoz: ubotflu not ubotflu
[05:35] <soundray> tucoz, ubotflu
[05:35] <tucoz> oh
[05:35] <jbroome> err, not ubotfly
[05:35] <jbroome> tab-complete is your friend
[05:35] <tucoz> ah, that worked.
[05:35] <twixmr> tobi-wan: i've found some warnings. (Warning: font renderer for ".pcf" already registered at priority0) the same is also with .pcf.Z .pcf.gz and some more
[05:36] <tucoz> jbroome, that is true. Forgot about it.
[05:36] <tRSS> my wmvs are working. someone recommended mplayer, but that also crashes when I play wmvs. Any idea how to play wmvs through vlc or totem
[05:36] <soundray> !you
[05:36] <ubotflu> NO SPEAKE ENLISH!, soundray
[05:36] <bozel> tobi-wan: rebooting now
[05:36] <tRSS> sorry, i meant my wmvs aren't working!
[05:37] <tobi-wan> twixmr: hmm..... no errors? at least one of the last lines should be [EE]  followed by a message
[05:37] <tobi-wan> twixmr: what about dmesg, any errors there?
[05:37] <twixmr> tobi-wan: i also can see "Bad V_BIOS checksum"
[05:37] <ryan__> u cant bookmark in xmms like in winamp can you?
[05:38] <twixmr> tobi-wan: i have the problem only if i install the nvidia-driver. where can i find dmesg?
[05:38] <Dido-> Anyone could help me out setting up a network between me and Xp to share my internet connection?
[05:38] <zool2005> can I make xmms open by default when I click on an MP3?
[05:38] <bozel> tobi-wan: isnt working
[05:39] <bozel> its black
[05:39] <tobi-wan> twixmr: it's a command
[05:39] <ryan__> zool yea
[05:39] <tobi-wan> bozel: well.... then, once more, you should check the error logs
[05:39] <zool2005> ryan_: how?
[05:39] <tobi-wan> twixmr: then there should be some bad message about the nvidia drivers in the log-file
[05:39] <bozel> i checked them
[05:39] <tobi-wan> bozel: and?
[05:39] <bozel> there isnt any error
[05:39] <bozel> how can i locate an error in dmsg
[05:39] <bozel> ?
[05:40] <ryan__> do you have the codec
[05:40] <ryan__> right
[05:40] <tobi-wan> dmsg | tail
[05:40] <bozel> in xorg.0.log isnt any error
[05:40] <zool2005> ?
[05:40] <twixmr> tobi-wan: you mean dmesg and then the Xorg.0.log instead of nano?
[05:40] <tobi-wan> ok, probably the lines are a bit complicated :-)
[05:40] <soundray> tobi-wan, dm*e*sg
[05:40] <tobi-wan> twixmr: no, dmesg | tail
[05:40] <Lispster> hi, i just turned on my ubuntu laptop this morning; it boots into X-windows and i log in as usual, but then it just has a brown screen and doesn't show my desktop... any ideas how to fix this?
[05:40] <tobi-wan> soundray: uups, thank you
[05:40] <bozel> dmsg: command not found
[05:40] <ryan__> zool just right click the mp3 then go to open with xmms
[05:41] <tobi-wan> twixmr: but if the error occurs because of the nvidia-driver, chances are that the error is in the Xorg.0.log file
[05:41] <tobi-wan> bozel: dmesg, my fault
[05:41] <zool2005> ryan_: I can but I'd like to click and play
[05:41] <soundray> Lispster, are you chatting from another machine?
[05:41] <eruin> ie cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log |grep EE
[05:41] <Lispster> soundray,  yes
[05:41] <bozel> errors with (EE) too?
[05:41] <soundray> Lispster, can you still log in on a text console?
[05:41] <ryan__> ok
[05:41] <ryan__> i got you
[05:41] <tobi-wan> bozel: no, these are in xorg.0.log
[05:42] <ryan__> go to open with other application and the click xmms
[05:42] <bozel> and in dmesg?
[05:42] <Lispster> soundray,  yes, if i use the ctrl-alt-F<n> i can switch to consoles
[05:42] <redguy|work> eruin: you could simply grep EE /var/log/Xorg0.log
[05:42] <zool2005> can I stop Totem opening by default?
[05:42] <ryan__> yea
[05:42] <eruin> redguy|work, I like typing ;p
[05:42] <soundray> Lispster, first thing to check is if any of your partitions are full.
[05:42] <ryan__> choose other application then find xmms in there and then it should open any mp3 with one click on xmms
[05:43] <soundray> Lispster, with df
[05:43] <zool2005> I tried but I still wants Totem !
[05:43] <Lispster> soundray, 13 gb available on /, 237m on /dev/shm whatever that is, and 224m on /lib/modules/2.6.12-10-386/volatile
[05:43] <redguy|work> eruin: hah, you want your fingers to be in good , right?
[05:43] <ryan__> mmm
[05:43] <zool2005> I could uninstall totem !
[05:43] <bozel> tobi-wan: how to find errors in dmesg?
[05:44] <deltron> !totem
[05:44] <ubotflu> deltron: I give up, what is it?
[05:44] <deltron> doh
[05:44] <redguy|work> eruin: erm, good shape
[05:44] <soundray> Lispster, so that's one diagnosis excluded. Next, check your $HOME/.xsession-errors for any hints.
[05:44] <twixmr> tobi-wan: i installed ubuntu and everything workes fine. till i had these grafic-problems. someone told me to install the nvidia-driver. but when i do this, i don`t get a signal after the booting. can you help me?
[05:44] <zool2005> does anyone else have choppy playback and alsa errors with mplayer?
[05:45] <klobber> guys does ubuntu have an identd ?
[05:45] <redguy|work> klobber: sure it does
[05:45] <siriusnova> btw guys if you want to play apple quicktime trailers and yahoo movie trailers etc..
[05:45] <mustard5> twixmr, what method did you use to install nvidia drivers?
[05:45] <Lispster> soundray,  oh i see something that might be wrong
[05:45] <L33Hambley> Why Wont wxWidgets work on Ubuntu ?
[05:45] <klobber> redguy|work where ?
[05:45] <siriusnova> install mozilla player plugin, mplayer and w32codecs
[05:45] <L33Hambley> ./waste: error while loading shared libraries: libwx_gtk2u_xrc-2.5.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[05:45] <siriusnova> and remove the libtotem files
[05:46] <siriusnova> in the mozilla-firefox plugin directory
[05:46] <tobi-wan> twixmr: i do not know the nvidia driver to well, i'd guess it's incompatible with your video-card
[05:46] <citydog> siriusnova: does this work with the new HD trailer format?
[05:46] <Lispster> soundray,  found it!  thanks!
[05:46] <siriusnova> citydog - I dunno, I havent tried. Lemme see if it works
[05:46] <redguy|work> klobber: erm, was thinking about inetd..
[05:46] <soundray> Lispster, what was it?
[05:46] <tobi-wan> bozel: well...... is there anything related to graphics there?
[05:46] <redguy|work> !search identd
[05:46] <ubotflu> redguy|work: Are you on ritalin?
[05:46] <twixmr> tobi-wan: sudo nvidia-glx-config enable
[05:46] <redguy|work> erm
[05:46] <Lispster> soundray,  i had messed with my hosts file because diablo2 didn't work with 127.0.0.1
[05:47] <Lispster> soundray, i had to put in 192.168.0.102 as my ip, so x was confused about where localhost was or something
[05:47] <Lispster> soundray,  so i just changed it back and its fine now
[05:47] <klobber> i acnt change the name in front of the @ sign in bitchx and its driving me crazy !, anyone know how ?
[05:47] <citydog> siriusnova: try the x-men trailer
[05:47] <twixmr> tobi-wan: geforce 6600 gt
[05:48] <redguy|work> klobber: try apt-cache search identd
[05:48] <soundray> Lispster, I don't know what diablo2 is, but it sure sounds like it needs fixing...
[05:48] <mustard5> twixmr, when you say no signal do you mean no signal at bootup or does it fail with an error during bootup?
[05:48] <siriusnova> citydog - it might work, i cant get it to play though
[05:48] <eruin> redguy|work, well, ever since I spilled first coffee then beer on my laptop keyboard, and made it work again by way of shower and hang-to-dry, I've come to treasure being able to type alot ;)
[05:48] <L33Hambley> soundray, a game, very old
[05:48] <siriusnova> but all other trailers work fine citydog
[05:49] <siriusnova> Ubuntu needs to update Firefox to 1.5 :/
[05:49] <soundray> Thx L33Hambley
[05:49] <redguy|work> L33Hambley: very old?
[05:49] <minimec> soundray: /gone fishing
[05:49] <klobber> jeez redguy|work theres loads of 'em
[05:49] <twixmr> tobi-wan: at the bootup everthings works fine. when i get to the "login-screen" i don`t get a signal anymore
[05:49] <klobber> can i found out which one bitchx reads ?
[05:50] <Kyle_S> Lo
[05:50] <L33Hambley> redguy|work, taling like 7-8 years are we not ?
[05:50] <mustard5> tobi-wan, what kernel are you running?
[05:50] <L33Hambley> .,..because it looks that old
[05:50] <mustard5> twixmr, what kernel are you running?
[05:50] <mustard5> tobi-wan, sorry about that :)
[05:50] <citydog> testing citydog
[05:51] <bozel> tobi-wan: graphics?
[05:51] <twixmr> tobi-wan: i don`t know. i always install the updates.
[05:52] <redguy|work> L33Hambley: 7-8 years? maybe... if that is so time does fly fast indeed. There is a lot of older games that I would consider 'very old'
[05:52] <Kyle_S> If in install ubuntu on a machine with (for example) a matrox video card & an intel etherpro ethernet card, then yank the drive and put it into a machine with an ATI video card and a realtek ethernet card, will the system automatically update/configure itself to use those new devices instead of the old ones?
[05:52] <redguy|work> Kyle_S: though it's not guaranteed, it sould do so
[05:52] <L33Hambley> redguy|work, Total Annihilation is my vice, 9 years old this month, and still as fresh as the day it was released - i never did get the diablo game thing, played them both - not my thing
[05:53] <Kyle_S> redguy|work: does it use fbdev for X or a real acellerated X driver by default?
[05:53] <kafeine> Kyle_S, you'll have issues with ati, but it won't be hard to fix with a little cutting in xorg.conf
[05:53] <redguy|work> Kyle_S: would't count on that
[05:53] <twixmr> mustard5: i don`t know what kernel i am running. i always make updates. at startup i see 2 different kernels
[05:54] <mustard5> twixmr, type uname -r in a terminal
[05:54] <mustard5> twixmr, that will tell you your kernel version.
[05:54] <Kyle_S> kafeine: What about with older ati cards (radeon 200 and below are natively supported in XFree and XOrg without needing ati's driver)
[05:54] <twixmr> mustard5: 2.6.12-10-386
[05:54] <_yoshi_> where can i go to look up songs and cds?
[05:54] <trappist> if anyone has Eterm, could you open it and run 'pstree' in it and tell me if it looks like trash?
[05:54] <redguy|work> Kyle_S: on second thought I think that you would have to reconfigure your xorg anyway...
[05:55] <soundray> mustard5: uname is /bin/uname ; bash: type: -r: not found  :)
[05:55] <tobi-wan> bozel: you need to identify the error....
[05:55] <tobi-wan> trappist: yes, it does :-)
[05:55] <tobi-wan> trappist: funny
[05:55] <_yoshi_> 1321
[05:55] <kafeine> Kyle_S, newer cards are also supported without needing ati's driver
[05:55] <bipolar> Seveas, ping
[05:55] <kafeine> but it won't have any 3d
[05:55] <trappist> tobi-wan: just wanted to make sure it wasn't just me
[05:55] <mustard5> twixmr, hmm .ok... *thinging
[05:55] <bozel> but i cant identify any error
[05:55] <kafeine> they'll use xorg's
[05:55] <bozel> i can see anything in the logfiles
[05:55] <bozel> it is like chinese
[05:55] <tobi-wan> bozel: ok, then back to Xorg.0.log.... *any* error?
[05:55] <kafeine> 'ati' driver which uses software vesa for 3d
[05:55] <Kyle_S> kafeine: Heh.  The last time I bought a new ati card was quite some time ago, and there was no acellerated 2d driver for Xorg/XFree at that time. Didn't realize they all got better.
[05:56] <Kyle_S> kafeine: not software vesa, software mesa.
[05:56] <mustard5> twixmr, you could uninstall the drivers if you want or reset your xorg.conf to use vesa drivers
[05:56] <kafeine> vesa it is
[05:56] <kafeine> i sure remember it well:D
[05:56] <kafeine> when i couldn't configure my 3d
[05:56] <e_surfer> hy everybody
[05:56] <mustard5> twixmr, at least then you can have a  working computer until you find the problem
[05:56] <e_surfer> good afternoom
[05:57] <e_surfer> please can anyone explain how to make boot floopies for the ubuntu SO >?
[05:57] <tRSS> alright guys, I have a dell inspiron 8100 (40GB HDD, 256 MB RAM, 32 MB nVidia GeForce2, Pentium III 1.2 GHz), but my ubuntu hangs sometimes for upto 2 secs. Mouse and keyboard become unresponsive and if xmms is running, the song becomes jerky
[05:57] <e_surfer> my cdrom doens boot
[05:57] <redguy|work> too.. much... irc...
[05:57] <Kyle_S> kafeine: No.  Mesa.  I've had to build it for dozens of bizzare systems in the past ;) before there was DRI support in X.  Vesa is for high res high bitdepth 2d on almost any card.  But its not acellerated and has NOTHING to do with 3d.
[05:57] <tRSS> anyone knows what the problem might be?
[05:57] <twixmr> mustard5: the computer works with the standart-driver. but i often have graphic-problems
[05:57] <Kyle_S> Anyway.  How well does Ubuntu automagically configure and setup the graphics sound and ethernet cards?
[05:57] <kafeine> well enough, for the sound and ethernet part
[05:58] <kafeine> unless there's something really bizarre
[05:58] <soundray> e_surfer, do you want to try fixing CD booting first or do you want to go straight to the floppy solution?
[05:58] <tRSS> Kyle_S: my experience has been really good. Ubuntu detected everything on its own. I just had to download the nvidia driver
[05:58] <mustard5> twixmr, you used the pastebin before?
[05:58] <bozel> no
[05:58] <e_surfer> to the floopy bro
[05:58] <e_surfer> thanks
[05:58] <bozel> there isnt any error
[05:58] <e_surfer> my cd isnt booting
[05:58] <persia> Could someone recommend where I could file a bug against a source only in dapper?  A control file change is required with a recent update, and I'd like to log it somewhere.
[05:58] <mustard5> ubotu: tell twixmr about pastebin
[05:58] <kafeine> the graphics always require user interaction to start working right, tho
[05:59] <twixmr> mustard5: now i use the standart-driver. here you can see my problem at the bottom. http://www.ubuntuusers.de/viewtopic.php?t=18204
[05:59] <mustard5> twixmr, k
[05:59] <Kyle_S> tRSS: Hummm OK.
[06:00] <Kyle_S> (dumb q) does it come with an easy to use ppp setup?
[06:00] <Kyle_S> And 2nd (dumb q) OpenOffice 2.0?
[06:00] <tRSS>  alright guys, I have a dell inspiron 8100 (40GB HDD, 256 MB RAM, 32 MB nVidia GeForce2, Pentium III 1.2 GHz), but my ubuntu hangs sometimes for upto 2 secs. Mouse and keyboard become unresponsive and if xmms is running, the song becomes jerky. any ideas?
[06:00] <bozel> tobi-wan: there arent any errors
[06:00] <soundray> e_surfer, what are you using at the moment?
[06:00] <tRSS> Kyle_S: it comes with openoffice 2.0
[06:01] <mustard5> twixmr, well I can't read german so its going to be hard for me to use that as a guide
[06:01] <bozel> :( why i cant see the gnome desktop?
[06:01] <kafeine> Kyle_S, openoffice2, yes. and you can apt-get gnome-ppp for the modem part
[06:01] <twixmr> mustard5: just look at the screenshots
[06:01] <mustard5> twixmr, can you use the pastebin?  If so paste you xorg.conf in the pastebin and show me the URL
[06:01] <e_surfer> NO SO at the moment
[06:01] <tRSS> bozel: what do you see?
[06:01] <e_surfer> i am using web on iother masschine
[06:01] <Kyle_S> Groovy.
[06:01] <e_surfer> other machine
[06:01] <Kyle_S> Humm.  Need to apt-get the ppp dialer?
[06:02] <kafeine> yup
[06:02] <tobi-wan> bozel: sorry, i have to give up, then
[06:02] <kafeine> well
[06:02] <kafeine> the gtk one, at least
[06:02] <kafeine> it comes with pppconfig installed:)
[06:02] <mustard5> twixmr, k..I'm loading them now..but I'm on dialup so it will be slow
[06:02] <bozel> black monitor
[06:02] <tRSS> bozel: is this a laptop? or a desktop LCD/CRT?
[06:03] <bozel> laptop
[06:03] <tRSS> bozel: press CTRL+ALT+F1
[06:03] <Dasnipa`> wow @ torvolds ripping of gnome developers a new one
[06:03] <bozel> yes?
[06:04] <bozel> then?
[06:04] <bozel> login?
[06:04] <tRSS> bozel: now login
[06:04] <Kyle_S> kafeine: is pppconfig graphical or command line?  Its been about...ohhh 8 years since I've needed to use a ppp connection, so I've no idea what the current state of them are :)
[06:04] <bozel> i did
[06:04] <Subhuman> isnt it CTRL ALT F7 for a graphical login
[06:04] <tRSS> bozel: just a sec, let me check something real quick
[06:04] <Subhuman> and and GNOM E
[06:04] <bozel> ok
[06:04] <mustard5> twixmr, are you going to paste your xorg.conf in the pastebin?
[06:04] <Subhuman> bozel, you seeig like aterminal screen?
[06:04] <twixmr> mustard5: but now i`m not running the nvidia-driver. does this take effect to the xorg.conf? i can`t paste my xorg.conf when i'm running the nvidia-driver.
[06:04] <bulio|lap> I'm using ubuntu 4.10
[06:04] <Subhuman> bozel, if u want to go to a GUI, itz CTRL ALT F7
[06:05] <bulio|lap> how can I install all of its updates?
[06:05] <kafeine> Kyle_S, it's like the debian installer, the blue background and everything, and it's step based
[06:05] <bulio|lap> but not go to 5.10
[06:05] <kafeine> i mean, step by step. duuh
[06:05] <bozel> no
[06:05] <bulio|lap> anyone?
[06:05] <bozel> there it is all black
[06:05] <Kyle_S> kafeine: is it appropriate for a complete newb/non linux user (who won't have access to the internet to get help until they are through with the configuration)
[06:05] <_jason> bulio|lap, I think 5.10 is basically all the updates
[06:05] <bulio|lap> it screwed my 4.10 up last time
[06:05] <twixmr> mustard5: you know what i mean?
[06:05] <bulio|lap> with apt-get
[06:06] <mustard5> twixmr, heh...good point..sorry
[06:06] <bulio|lap> and I burnt 6 5.10 CDs
[06:06] <mustard5> twixmr, yep :)
[06:06] <tRSS> bozel: type: sudo vi /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[06:06] <bulio|lap> all had debootstrap problems
[06:06] <kafeine> Kyle_S: i'd reccomend gnome-ppp instead, it has got a nice & a lot simpler gui
[06:06] <_jason> bulio|lap, does the livecd work okay?  you can try upgrading to 5.04 first and then to 5.10
[06:07] <tRSS> bozel: be right back... something urgent has come up... till then somebody else can help you. I should be back in 5 mins
[06:07] <bulio|lap> I don't have the live CD
[06:07] <soundray> e_surfer, I don't think there is a way to boot the installer from a floppy.
[06:07] <bozel> ok thx
[06:07] <bulio|lap> I'm installing 4.10 now
[06:07] <kafeine> Kyle_S: http://www.gnome-ppp.org/screenshots.php
[06:07] <mustard5> twixmr, have you looked through your logs for errors?   /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[06:07] <bulio|lap> can I just update hoary?
[06:07] <_jason> bulio|lap, can you burn it?  I think it would just be a way to see if your computer works well with 5.10 or not and if the problem was just with the upgrade process
[06:08] <soundray> e_surfer, are you sure you can't convince the machine to boot the CD via the BIOS setup?
[06:08] <_jason> bulio|lap, I believe so, just follow the wiki isntructions for a hoary upgrade
[06:08] <_jason> bulio|lap, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HoaryUpgradeNotes
[06:09] <twixmr> mustard5: yes. but i haven't found anything.
[06:09] <kafeine> Kyle_S: pppconfig also has a lot of helpful text for every step, but i don't know if it'd be appropriate for complete newbies
[06:09] <mrkris> hiya. i installed ubuntu-server on a server and have a question. it by default comes with alsa drivers (so i can listen to mp3s while i server webpages?) along with wireless-tools and stuff. if i remove it, it removes ubuntu-minimal -- how do i JUST remove the wireless-tools + alsa stuff?
[06:09] <zandaa> hey all, where can I find the postfix installation folder?
[06:09] <e_surfer> thewre is no option
[06:09] <soundray> mrikris, let it remove ubuntu-minimal, then you can remove any component that it depends on.
[06:10] <e_surfer> soundray: I foumnd a file named sbm.bin and I am trying to use dd to boot
[06:10] <Kuyaedz> someone give me tips on this: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/5702
[06:10] <e_surfer> its on doc stuff
[06:10] <e_surfer> thanks manh
[06:10] <e_surfer> man
[06:10] <mrkris> soundray, what is the point of ubuntu-minimal
[06:10] <kafeine> mrkris, don' worry about ubuntu-minimal, it's just a meta-package
[06:10] <_jason> mrkris, read the desciption of ubuntu-minimal
[06:10] <zandaa> hey all, where can I find the postfix installation folder?
[06:10] <e_surfer> the BIOS option only has A,C on boot option
[06:10] <e_surfer> \:(
[06:10] <kakei> how can i see the temp of my system in ubuntu
[06:10] <_jason> mrkris, and read the descRiption too :)
[06:10] <mrkris> _jason, i did, but it says it is needed to upgrade some packages if i remember correctly
[06:10] <kafeine> it's there so you can apt-get just one package instead of thousands
[06:10] <e_surfer> soundray: -->
[06:10] <e_surfer> What is SBM ?
[06:10] <e_surfer>   Smart Boot Manager or briefly SmartBtmgr (SBM),
[06:10] <e_surfer> thanks man
[06:11] <rosen> Ok ... so now I've installed mostly everything I need and wants to see if I can get planeshift up and running ... but first I guess I need to install some nvidia drivers ... but using synaptic there is like 30 different to choose from >.<
[06:11] <zandaa> kakei, only thing I now of is monitoring using hardware (like a fan controller or whateva)
[06:11] <mrkris> ahh ok thanks :)
[06:11] <twixmr> mustard5: when i install the driver and then look the Xorg.0.log. how can i save this file, that i can open it again when i have disabled this damn-nvidia-driver?
[06:11] <kakei> zandaa yes i want something like that
[06:11] <zandaa> kakei, I ment using something like a temp probe and a LCD
[06:11] <twixmr> mustard5: i tried it with nano
[06:11] <soundray> e_surfer, so you're managing now?
[06:11] <Kuyaedz> I seem to have a broken package that I'm not sure how to fix..
[06:12] <e_surfer> ya , I got it
[06:12] <e_surfer> Thamnks bro :)
[06:12] <zandaa> gotta go, cya'll <_<
[06:12] <mustard5> twixmr, you could use a cp command and send a copy to your desktop
[06:12] <kakei> zandaa . oh.
[06:12] <soundray> e_surfer, well I wasn't much of a help. Good luck with your install!
[06:13] <mustard5> twixmr, something like sudo cp Xorg.0.log ~/Desktop/errorlog
[06:13] <twixmr> mustard5: ok. i'll try
[06:13] <sinizzl> why does a user need to boot with a livd cd to set a root password in ubuntu? this is freakin' weird.
[06:14] <mustard5> twixmr, or just this actually sudo cp Xorg.0.log ~/Desktop/
[06:14] <theine> When will superkaramba make it into Dapper main, now that it is officially included in kde 3.5?
[06:14] <tommi^> Hi. Has  anybody really managed to get the Oracle 10g working? What's the easiest way? I have the same problem that some people at the forum "TNS: Lost Contact during the install." and there's no answer for it. Also I think that the wiki entry https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Oracle10g lacks something.
[06:14] <soundray> sinizzl, what makes you think that?
[06:14] <sinizzl> soundray, a friend of mine who is a total computer illiterate has ubuntu now
[06:14] <soundray> sinizzl, booting from CD helps you *re*set a root pass if you've forgotten it.
[06:14] <sinizzl> the first i thing i needed to do was tu remove him from the sudoers list so he can't screw anything up
[06:15] <mustard5> twixmr, or even this     cat Xorg.0.log>~/Desktop/errorlog
[06:15] <sinizzl> soundray, i know that. but why doesn't ubuntu ask for a new root passwort by default ?
[06:15] <soundray> sinizzl, for security.
[06:15] <twixmr> mustard5: but i have to enable the nvidia-driver first, don`t i?
[06:15] <sinizzl> it would be more secure in my opinion if the standard user wasn't in the sudoers list
[06:15] <soundray> sinizzl, remote attacks are harder that way.
[06:15] <sinizzl> and would log in as root by su - isntead
[06:16] <sinizzl> soundray, yes, that's true
[06:16] <u|qos> hey guys ...
[06:16] <mustard5> twixmr, well yes..but I'm not sure how much longer I can stay online :)
[06:16] <u|qos> how can i generally manage the bandwidth in ubuntu?
[06:16] <mustard5> twixmr, so it might be something that is not worth doing right at this moment :)
[06:16] <soundray> sinizzl, it makes sense to me that the first user should be an admin by default.
[06:16] <twixmr> mustard5: ok. thx.
[06:16] <soundray> sinizzl, low-priority users like your friend should then be created from that first account.
[06:17] <sinizzl> soundray, not if the first and only user is a complete retard as long as computers are concerned
[06:17] <mustard5> twixmr, I wonder if it still contains the messages from previous errors in some of the other logs
[06:17] <Tubak> Hi everbody
[06:17] <soundray> sinizzl, if you are setting the computer up for him, then you should make yourself the first user.
[06:18] <sinizzl> soundray, that's what im about to do right now
[06:18] <soundray> sinizzl, never set up a "retard" as the "first and only user"
[06:18] <sinizzl> yes, that's quite a good idea
[06:18] <twixmr> mustard5: ill try it sometime. see you
[06:18] <mustard5> twixmr, I've been googling some answers and I see quite a few issues with your card
[06:19] <mustard5> twixmr, it might be a driver version problem
[06:19] <bulio|lap> last night, when I used apt-get to download breezy, and upgrade to 5.10 from 4.10, I rebooted and got this:
[06:19] <mustard5> twixmr, you can download more upto date drivers from the nvidia site
[06:19] <twixmr> mustard5: oh. thats interesting.
[06:19] <bulio|lap> /etc/X11/X is not executable
[06:19] <bulio|lap> and X server wouldn't run
[06:19] <mustard5> twixmr, I've been reading that it might be a problem with the 7667 drivers
[06:20] <Kuyaedz> bulio|lap: does apt-get update/upgrade have anything additional after a reboot?
[06:20] <bulio|lap> no
[06:20] <mustard5> twixmr, so maybe you should visit the nvidia site...there are some HOW TOs on the forum..let me find the link
[06:20] <Kuyaedz> bulio|lap: ..and are you using apt-get dist-upgrade?
[06:20] <bulio|lap> yes
[06:20] <tRSS> bozel: sorry for keeping you waiting. now scroll down, and look for Section "Device" or Section "Monitor" or Section "Screen" and tell me what it says.
[06:21] <icu> If I download the amd64 dvd image will I also be able to install ubuntu using that onto i386 machines?
[06:21] <Kuyaedz> bulio|lap: ...haven't heard that issue before unfortunately.  Uhm, so you did a dist-upgrade and now X just wont start?
[06:21] <Kuyaedz> icu: I would guess no
[06:21] <bulio|lap> Yep, it won't
[06:22] <bulio|lap> I'm re-installing 4.10 now
[06:22] <icu> Kuyaedz: is there anyway then to upgrade an i386 install to an amd64 install?
[06:22] <Kuyaedz> a fresh install with 5.10 .iso is the best way I've found
[06:22] <Kuyaedz> icu: I would assume that you need the .iso for i386 & 64.  The architectures are too different to be interchangeable
[06:23] <twixmr> mustard5: thanks a lot! i just found something about this problem in a german-forum
[06:23] <mrkris> how come ubuntu won't let me remove nvidia-kernel-common without removing my kernel modules/image ?
[06:23] <bozel> tRSS: ok wait a second
[06:23] <JairunCaloth> how do I uninstall a kernel?
[06:23] <spiekey> hello!
[06:23] <twixmr> mustard5: i`ll try to fix it. thx.
[06:23] <mustard5> twixmr, ah ok...well you are on your way to a solution then :)
[06:23] <icu> Kuyaedz: thanks, though it's sort of a pain to have to download both.
[06:23] <bulio|lap> I have 5 CDs
[06:23] <bulio|lap> all 5.10
[06:23] <bulio|lap> none work
[06:23] <bulio|lap> debootstrap error
[06:23] <spiekey> does anyone know what boot options i need to install ubuntu server with a adaptec 2400 raid5 ?
[06:24] <Kuyaedz> icu: it is.. shouldn't take too long using .torrents though :)
[06:24] <spiekey> if i just do the normal "server" or "linux" install i get a kernel panic
[06:24] <mustard5> twixmr, you are going to need to totally remove the nvidia drivers you installed via synaptic though
[06:24] <tRSS> bozel: ready when you are.
[06:24] <bozel> tRSS: which section "Device"?
[06:24] <asolten> Hi all...Anybody know about a good ssh filetransfer program ? I know scp but it is quite tiresome...
[06:24] <linkd> asolten: whats tiresome about it?
[06:24] <bulio|lap> any other suggestions?
[06:24] <bozel> Identifier "Intel Corporation Intel Default Card"
[06:24] <bozel> Driver "i810"
[06:25] <Kuyaedz> spiekey: I had a kernel panik on installing 'server'.  Have you tried memtest86, also included on the install CD?
[06:25] <bozel> BusID "PCI:0:2:0"
[06:25] <tRSS> bozel: thats what we are looking for
[06:25] <Kuyaedz> asolten: gFTP can transfer via FTP, HTTP, and SSH.  Could try that
[06:25] <spiekey> Kuyaedz: no, not yet
[06:25] <tRSS> bozel: is it showing the correct device and driver
[06:25] <bozel> BIdentifier "Intel Corporation Intel Default Card"\nDriver "i810"usID "\nPCI:0:2:0"
[06:25] <mustard5> twixmr, some instructions for removing the nvidia-glx drivers are included in this HOW TO http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=75074&highlight=nvidia+drivers
[06:25] <asolten> linkd, you have to know the exact name and location
[06:25] <Kuyaedz> spiekey: I'd suggest trying that.. could be a memory issue.  Thats what mine turned out to be
[06:26] <spiekey> Kuyaedz: that server has been running for week without problems, i hope is not a memory issuse
[06:26] <bozel> dont know
[06:26] <twixmr> mustard5: thanks man! thats nice!
[06:26] <bozel> how can i check that?
[06:26] <monad> hi.--- i just popped in an install cd into a quite old machine and got a kernel panic right away... wtf?
[06:26] <mustard5> twixmr, ok..I'm off to bed...good luck :)
[06:26] <Kuyaedz> spiekey: my machine had been running for a year under '98 with no noticeable problems.  I guess that shows how thourough MS is
[06:27] <tRSS> bozel: you will have to check the hardware documentation in order to find out the correct hardware
[06:27] <Kuyaedz> spiekey: won't hurt to run memtest86.. if you don't find anything at least we know its not that & we can go forward.
[06:27] <spiekey> Kuyaedz: it properly never used so much memory (if your weird part was in a high sector :P)
[06:27] <bulio|lap> how do I upgrade 4.10 to it's latest versions?
 like program updates, gnome update etc.
 I don't want to move to breezy, it has lots of problems for me
[06:27] <bozel> the name is correct
[06:27] <bozel> but how can i check the driver?
[06:28] <tRSS> bozel: let me check the repos if the driver is available for intel
[06:28] <spiekey> Kuyaedz: ok. i will do a memtest over night, thx
[06:28] <monad> can it be it has something to do with SCSI?
[06:28] <tRSS> bozel: i do believe it is available,but let me double check
[06:28] <Kuyaedz> spiekey: let me know tomorrow what you find.. we can go from there
[06:28] <asolten> Kuyaedz, its seems to be just it... Thanks.
[06:28] <Kuyaedz> asolten: no problem. enjoy :)
[06:29] <spiekey> Kuyaedz: well, it will be next week. but i will pop in, thanks ;)
[06:30] <spiekey> cu
[06:30] <bozel> ???
[06:31] <[yoshi] > ok so how do i get yahoo messinger on my ubuntu
[06:31] <Jaymac> why do you want to?
[06:31] <[yoshi] > messenger*
[06:31] <Jaymac> gaim...
[06:31] <Kuyaedz> yoshi: try GAIM
[06:31] <L33Hambley> GAIM
[06:31] <Kuyaedz> lol
[06:31] <Jaymac> sudo apt-get install gaim
[06:31] <[yoshi] > what?
[06:31] <Jaymac> gaim is a multi protocol messenger
[06:32] <[yoshi] > whats that?
[06:32] <[yoshi] > oh ok
[06:32] <Jaymac> works with aim, icq, msn, yahoo, irc
[06:32] <Kuyaedz> if you dont see it in Applications > Internet > GAIM use apt-get install GAIM
[06:32] <Jaymac> etc
[06:32] <[yoshi] > thanks dude
[06:32] <Jaymac> right i'm off
[06:32] <[yoshi] > peace
[06:32] <Kuyaedz> works with everything
[06:32] <tRSS> bozel: i am right here... just checking something real quick
[06:32] <e1tiger4lidt> "foxtricks" plugin for firefox can work with ubuntu
[06:32] <linkd> i dont think the Gaim crew like you calling it GAIM. thats how flamestuff starts
[06:33] <Kuyaedz> noted
[06:33] <sethk> oh, boy, let's have a flame war about GAIM vs gaim
[06:34] <sethk> that would be soooo exciting
[06:34] <tRSS> bozel: ok, it seems that your card is not supported (I can be wrong and I would love to be proved otherwise), but there is a workaround
[06:34] <linkd> no
[06:34] <linkd> lets not
[06:34] <[yoshi] > ok im back
[06:34] <bozel> ok?
[06:34] <bozel> what to do?
[06:34] <tRSS> bozel: you can use another driver (with limited capabilities) and it should do the job for you. do you wanna do that?
[06:35] <L33Hambley> anyoen use a graphica tablet ?
[06:35] <[yoshi] > how do i switch from aim to yahoo buddylist with gaim?
[06:35] <bozel> yes
[06:35] <L33Hambley> i'm struggling with my Trust 400 v2
[06:35] <bozel> np
[06:35] <L33Hambley> my screen runs at 1280x800 - and my tablet just gives me a 10" square i can use in the middle!
[06:35] <[yoshi] > how do i switch from aim to yahoo buddylist with gaim?
[06:35] <sethk> [yoshi] , when you connect to yahoo chat, the buddy list window comes up
[06:35] <spdl> [yoshi] , go into the accounts area
[06:35] <tRSS> bozel: get out of vi (press ESC, type :q, hit enter) and then type this: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-org
[06:36] <spdl> uncheck aol and check yahoo
[06:36] <sethk> [yoshi] , gaim is somewhat smart about which service you are connected to
[06:36] <Kuyaedz> yoshi: dropdown should allow for any protocol.  All buddy lists are connected in your end Buddy List
[06:36] <[yoshi] > yea im on both
[06:36] <spdl> I love gaim
[06:36] <[yoshi] > i was on aim first so aim is showing
[06:36] <[yoshi] > i cant be on both and switch b/l
[06:36] <[yoshi] > ?
[06:37] <Kuyaedz> it connects to any/all at the same time.  I'm currently on aim, msn, yahoo & irc.  all listed on one buddy list
[06:37] <bozel> doesnt work
[06:37] <[yoshi] > so i guess i dont have a buddylist?
[06:37] <tRSS> bozel: what do you get?
[06:38] <bozel> xserver-org isnt installed
[06:38] <Kuyaedz> yoshi: you have to edit your account in the Accounts section & it'll import your current lists
[06:38] <tRSS> bozel: ahh, alright.. just sit tight for a sec
[06:38] <[yoshi] > cool thanks
[06:38] <sethk> [yoshi] , you do, you just don't see it at the moment.  it's there
[06:38] <spdl> Is wnck_applet a part of Wine?
[06:39] <Ng> no
[06:39] <Ng> it's one of the gnome panel applets
[06:39] <spdl> Thanks Ng
[06:39] <_sebastian> Maybe someone can help me here?  step by step.  go alon with me.  I am trying to get Apache and PHP5 to work on Ubuntu.  I have Apache installed and PHP5, but when I try to load the  PHPP file i it won't.  browser will just ask me where to save it.
[06:39] <spdl> cool :)
[06:39] <tRSS> bozel: type this: sudo apt-get install xserver-org-driver-i810
[06:39] <L33Hambley> _sebastian, look in your apache conf
[06:39] <L33Hambley> it's not bound proeprly..
[06:39] <L33Hambley> or reboot
[06:39] <L33Hambley> that did it for me
[06:39] <_sebastian> I have and it's empty
[06:40] <L33Hambley> yeah
[06:40] <L33Hambley> beccauuse it doesnt use httpd.conf
[06:40] <L33Hambley> it uses apache2.conf
[06:40] <L33Hambley> somewhere
[06:40] <L33Hambley> i'd tell you, cept i'm on a fresh install and i don't recall
[06:40] <_sebastian> I had 1.3 first.  tryed with that, but that woudn't work.  and I been trying with apache2.conf.  Apache2
[06:40] <siriusnova> Ubuntu is better then sex
[06:40] <sethk> _sebastian, make sure you've configured apache to tell it that php files are executable
[06:40] <_sebastian> and it won't work just like 1.3
[06:40] <L33Hambley> it's in the apache dir somewhere
[06:40] <rosen> is there any (working) scripts for installing Planeshift ? It looks a little too complicated on the webpage, and the scripts there is for other distros than Ubuntu
[06:40] <_sebastian> I need to some how tell.  Apache to use the PHP module so it will work, but I don't know how to do that
[06:40] <L33Hambley> _sebastian, it doesnt use httpd.conf - there is a seperate file for it
[06:41] <L33Hambley> it's called like apache2.conf or something
[06:41] <siriusnova> okay btw when I installed opera I dont see it pop up on the applications menu, is there any way I can add it manually?
[06:41] <L33Hambley> and it is just httpd.conf with a different name
[06:41] <bozel> cant find xserver-org-driver-i810
[06:41] <_sebastian> apache2.conf was empty
[06:41] <Ng> _sebastian: apache2 modules are controlled via /etc/apache2/mods-available and /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/
[06:41] <L33Hambley> _sebastian, it's there somewhere
[06:41] <L33Hambley> like NG says
[06:41] <Ng> _sebastian: basically you should check if mods-enabled has any php entries, if not symlink the .conf and .load files from mods-available
[06:41] <sethk> _sebastian, there are two things you have to do.  You have to tell apache that a .php file is executable (there is a list of executable suffixes in the config file) and make sure the directory where the .php files live is in the list of directories that may contain executable files
[06:41] <L33Hambley> and theres a sites-avalible ad sites-enabled for other conf
[06:41] <Kuyaedz> siriusnova: did you apt-get opera or manually add it?
[06:41] <Ng> it's a bit weird and very modular, but if you have loads of modules it makes a lot of sense
[06:42] <sethk> _sebastian, in addition to the php config other people are saying which is also important (obviously)
[06:42] <siriusnova> Kuyaedz - apt-get
[06:42] <bozel> cant find xserver-org-driver-i810
[06:42] <lfop> anyone tried SUSE? If so, you like it?
[06:42] <tRSS> bozel: not our day, perhaps ;(. alright, type: sudo vi /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:42] <Kuyaedz> siriusnova: you can try killall gnome-panel to refresh your panel
[06:42] <L33Hambley> lfop, yes - annndd no
[06:42] <lfop> L33Hambley, ok. why?
[06:42] <siriusnova> Kuyadez - i did that prior to a reboot so my gnome-panel is up to date
[06:43] <bozel> then?
[06:43] <_sebastian> thanks I'll try that stuff.  I am getting help from a friend who helped me set up Apahce before on XP ages ago before I formatated.  and knows a lot about this stuff
[06:43] <L33Hambley> lfop, just didnt like the feel of it, i prefer something less marketed
[06:43] <Kuyaedz> siriusnova: hmm.. apt-get'd opera and not in panel.  I JUST did the same thing & it showed up immediately.
[06:43] <lfop> okay.
[06:43] <_sebastian> ,but he dosan't use Ubuntu so he didn't know my system.  Slackware and Apple Mac for him
[06:43] <L33Hambley> _sebastian, apache2 has COMPLETELY different configs on XP and linux
[06:43] <bozel> maybe i should uncomment the lines?
[06:43] <siriusnova> Kuyaedz - weird, maybe its a bug?
[06:43] <L33Hambley> same directives and things
[06:43] <L33Hambley> in different files & directories though
[06:43] <_sebastian> yes I know it's differnet
[06:43] <spdl> CrossOver Office is awesome.
[06:44] <Kuyaedz> siriusnova: Uhm, are you able to run it from the terminal?  I wonder if it completely installed..
[06:44] <tRSS> bozel: in sources.list you define your repositories. You don't have the universe and multiverse setting. You need to enable them. Just make sure you have these entries: deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy universe
[06:44] <siriusnova> Kuyaedz - oh its installed all right, its just not in my Applications Menu
[06:44] <tRSS> bozel: you might already have it but it is probably commented out. Just uncomment the line by removing the # symbol
[06:45] <_sebastian> thanks for the help guys.  I think I got enough info now for my friend to help me with the rest :) ,but if not i'll be back here asking
[06:45] <tuskernini> hi there all...
[06:45] <spdl> Microsoft TrueType Font Arial EULA? hahah
[06:45] <filleokus> Cant get Oscommernce working, any other systems you know about? (open source e shopping)
[06:45] <tuskernini> i still neet someone who knows something about apache2...
[06:45] <tuskernini> need...
[06:45] <tRSS> bozel: after you have added/edited the line, press ESC, type :wq, hit enter. this will save the file
[06:46] <bozel> then?
[06:46] <webwolf_27> tuskernini, what exactly do you need
[06:46] <spdl> How was fishing minimec?
[06:46] <tRSS> bozel: then try this again: sudo apt-get install xserver-org-driver-i810
[06:46] <bozel> but i ve hoary
[06:46] <Sonderblade> what package should you install if you want kde alongside gnome?
[06:46] <minimec> quiet interesting :-)
[06:46] <tRSS> bozel: ooh, i thought you had breezy! alright, let me rethink
[06:47] <tuskernini> webwolf, i need to know how to see my server from another pc... i can see my files if i type localhost in the address bar.. but not if i use my ip....
[06:47] <Kuyaedz> sounds like someone read Linus' topic this morning..
[06:47] <bulio|lap> how can I upgrade hoary, without going to breezy?
[06:47] <HymnToLife> !kde
[06:47] <ubotflu> kde is, like, A powerful, free desktop environment for UNIX. IRC: #kubuntu #kde ; install from Ubuntu: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop ; ISOs: http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/breezy/
[06:47] <bulio|lap> anyone?
[06:47] <bozel> tRSS: in recovery mode i can call: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-org
[06:47] <Ng> bulio|lap: upgrade to what?
[06:47] <webwolf_27> tuskernini, is apache open to the outside world
[06:47] <bulio|lap> the newest apps and security updates of hoary
[06:47] <Ng> bulio|lap: "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade" in a terminal will bring a hoary box up to date
[06:48] <Kuyaedz> bulio|lap: without upgrading to Breezy I would think just apt-get upgrade/update is as much as you'll get..
[06:48] <bulio|lap> k
[06:48] <tuskernini> that is the question... it was until i removed my printer form the router i have...
[06:48] <bulio|lap> because I am getting a problem when I go to breezy
[06:48] <Kuyaedz> bulio|lap: but that isn't going to give you the latest Breezy updates, etc.. limited to Hoary updates.
[06:48] <tuskernini> i might have done something really dumb though..
[06:48] <bulio|lap> I know
[06:48] <sethk> can't we get the ', like,' out of ubotflu?  someone might think we were serious
[06:49] <bulio|lap> when I apt-getted for breezy, /etc/X11/X became non executable
[06:49] <bulio|lap> Xserver wouldn't work
[06:49] <bulio|lap> so I'll wait till its more stable
[06:49] <bozel> tRSS: in recovery mode i can call: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-org
[06:49] <Ng> sethk: I couldn't agree more, the bot makes itself sound like a dumb californian far too often ;)
[06:49] <Ng> it should answer in one clear, polite manner
[06:49] <tRSS> bozel: you should be able to call dpkg-reconfigure xserver-org
[06:49] <sub_pop> so does 5.10's installation not work with USB keyboards?
[06:49] <bozel> yes
[06:49] <bozel> but only in recovery mode
[06:49] <sethk> Ng, yeah, like, you know, it should
[06:49] <tRSS> bozel: can you tell me the exact error msg when you do dpkg-reconfigure
[06:49] <Ng> sethk: totally! ;)
[06:49] <sub_pop> i'm sitting here at the syslinux boot prompt and its a no go
[06:50] <L33Hambley> Graphics tablet support anyone ?
[06:50] <bozel> but it is in german
[06:50] <Ng> sub_pop: can you get into the bios with your usb keyboard?
[06:50] <sub_pop> Ng: yes
[06:50] <sub_pop> o_O
[06:50] <filleokus> Cant get Oscommernce working, any other systems you know about? (open source e shopping)
[06:50] <sub_pop> and my existing Grub doesn't take keyboard input either
[06:51] <Ng> sub_pop: weird, at that point (syslinux) it shoul dbe using the keyboard the bios uses
[06:51] <sub_pop> yea
[06:51] <tRSS> bozel: i have to jet, but I think this website should be able to help you: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-79804.html
[06:51] <bozel> Paket "xserver-config" ist nicht installiert und keine Info ist vorhanden.
[06:51] <Zugwrack> I need to force dpkg to remove a package...is the syntax dpkg --force --remove <package name>?
[06:51] <tRSS> bozel: sorry man. I don't know german! :(
[06:51] <Zugwrack> !de
[06:51] <sub_pop> --force-all i think
[06:51] <ubotflu> de is, like, totally, Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu und Kubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de resp. #kubuntu-de
[06:51] <tuskernini> webwolf, where do i make apache visible to the outside world?
[06:52] <phil_> it says i don't have permissions to access my hard drive
[06:52] <bozel> ok
[06:52] <Zugwrack> sub_pop:K thanks...I still need the --remove  as well no?
[06:52] <webwolf_27> tuskernini, allow port 80 in both iptables and your router
[06:52] <sub_pop> Zugwrack: yea
[06:52] <Kuyaedz> tuskernini: apache should load when the IP is called.  To the outside world you most likely need to forward it to your machine via your router
[06:52] <Zugwrack> Ok then
[06:52] <bozel> which driver i should choose?
[06:52] <tRSS> Alright gentelman (and ladies, if there are any). It was nice meeting you all and I should be back soon! :)
[06:52] <webwolf_27> bozel, I speak german what do you need
[06:53] <tRSS> bozel: vesa driver should work for you
[06:53] <bozel> ok
[06:53] <rosen> is there a 'taskmanager' in Ubuntu so I can see what processes are running ?
[06:53] <tuskernini> webwolf, there are two iptalbes? sorry... refresh me.. i am a read an do idiot
[06:53] <Kuyaedz> rosen: Applications > System Tools > System monitor
[06:53] <sub_pop> funk. :( i thought i had it figured out
[06:53] <bozel> webwolf_27: my desktop is black, wehn i boot ubuntu
[06:53] <rosen> Kuyaedz, thanks
[06:53] <bulio|lap> brb, changing to ubuntu
[06:54] <PupenoL> Hello.
[06:54] <Kuyaedz> rosen: that can also be added to your gnome-panel with a right-click.  Thats where I've shortcutted mine
[06:54] <webwolf_27> bozel, black as in a terminal or black as in absolutly nothing
[06:54] <bozel> in absolutly nothing
[06:55] <PupenoL> I have created a kernel module package with module-assistant (zaptel-module), my problem is that it ends on /lib/modules/2.6.12 instead of /lib/modules/2.6.12-10-686/, any ideas ?
[06:55] <superbeef> Hey guys, I've got a widescreen laptop, and I've noticed that Ubuntu's gnome screen resolution utility is ignoring the X.org config file where I have more accurate settings... How do I get it to override
[06:55] <webwolf_27> bozel, if you press ctrl, alt F1 you should get a terminal
[06:56] <sinclair> to dl the vlc precompiled binaries, for which os should i dl the binaries.. Debian GNU/Linux? or familiar linux
[06:56] <bozel> yes
[06:56] <webwolf_27> bozel, check your x configuration file
[06:56] <bozel> what should i check in there?
[06:57] <bozel> aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
[06:57] <bozel> its working
[06:57] <bozel> tRSS: thx
[06:57] <bozel> tRSS: thx
[06:57] <bozel> tRSS: thx
[06:57] <bozel> tRSS: thx
[06:57] <bozel> tRSS: thx
[06:57] <Dido-> does anyone know that /etc/rc.d/rc.local which is there on slackwhere, what's the name and where it is on ubuntu?
[06:57] <bozel> the problem was the driver
[06:57] <rosen> Kuyaedz, I just needed to check if I really did start up a program and it was just slow to respond ... I didnt though ;)
[06:57] <bozel> with the vesa-driver it works
[06:58] <webwolf_27> bozel, ok
[06:58] <bozel> thx webwolf
[06:58] <_Audrius_> hello, i have a problem... when ubuntu loads eth1 is always inactive... I have manually activate it in case i want to connect over pppoe to internet... what can possibly be wrong?
[06:59] <sinclair> when i want to dl a program, and there isnt precombined binaries for ubuntu, should i choose debian or familiar linux?
[06:59] <Kuyaedz> sinclair: if you can find a .deb package use that & install with dpkg -i <packagename>.deb
[06:59] <Ng> sinclair: not familiar
[06:59] <Ng> familiar is for PDAs ;)
[07:00] <sinclair> oh, okay.. so ill choose debian GNU/linux.. is it ok?
[07:00] <Kuyaedz> yes
[07:01] <bulio> how do I upgr5ade to the latest version of 4.10 warty?
[07:02] <Kuyaedz> bulio: sudo apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
[07:02] <bulio> sources.list
[07:02] <bulio> what should be in there?
[07:02] <bulio> I just uncomment the lines
[07:02] <Kuyaedz> bulio: uncomment the deb / deb-src lines
[07:02] <bulio> I'm getting the warty upgrades now
[07:03] <andybrucenet> where do i ask newbie questions?
[07:03] <rambo3> you can do it with synap too
[07:03] <iHeartKem> are there any pre-setup lightweight WM's for ubuntu incase i wanna put it on my lappy with 32mb ram / 200MHz
[07:03] <_jason> andybrucenet, right here :)
[07:03] <andybrucenet> thx! where's root???
[07:03] <iHeartKem> xfce is light compared to kde/gnome
[07:03] <andybrucenet> just installed ubuntu 5
[07:03] <_jason> ubotflu, tell andybrucenet about root
[07:03] <_Audrius_> when ubuntu starts up eth1 device is always inactive... I have manually activate it in case i want to connect over pppoe to internet... what can possibly be wrong?
[07:03] <lfop> iHeartKem, icewm
[07:03] <lfop> fast WM.
[07:04] <iHeartKem> i can get icewm for ubuntu ? will it be setup like gnome/kde are
[07:04] <iHeartKem> menu-wise
[07:04] <iHeartKem> i want like icewm or fluxbox
[07:04] <lfop> yep. pretty much. maybe some config has to be done
[07:04] <rambo3> fluxbox is faster
[07:04] <iHeartKem> cool ill try it out
[07:04] <lfop> sudo apt-get install icewm
[07:04] <lfop> i think.
[07:04] <iHeartKem> woot, ill check it out in a bit
[07:04] <andybrucenet> thx _jason
[07:05] <bulio> is warty still supported?
[07:05] <_jason> andybrucenet, yep, #1 question
[07:05] <Kuyaedz> bulio: should be
[07:05] <sub_pop> Ng: i found it. my BIOSs version of the "Legacy USB support" (talked about here: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=362638&highlight=grub+usb+keyboard+bios ) was enabled. when i disabled it, all worked fine
[07:05] <crypticreign> Is there a PHP plugin for Eclipse in the apt. repos?
[07:05] <ejofee> shfsmount: shfs filesystem not supported by the kernel
[07:05] <ejofee> anybody can help me?
[07:05] <init> can anyone help me mount my usb hard drive?
[07:05] <Kuyaedz> ejofee: what do you need?
[07:06] <ejofee> dooglus: still there?
[07:06] <ejofee> Kuyaedz: i don't know what i should do now...
[07:06] <ejofee> Kuyaedz: i don't know how i can insmod... that
[07:06] <Ng> sub_pop: excellent :)
[07:06] <Ng> sub_pop: I have a great bug in my bios where if I tell it to support a usb keyboard it disables my hard disk ;)
[07:06] <sub_pop> rofl!
[07:06] <iHeartKem> Wow... copying files over wifi at 5Mbps, never seen it go that fast (1.4gb in 10mins)
[07:06] <sub_pop> that sounds like fun
[07:07] <ejofee> Kuyaedz: i tried installation of fuse, sshfs, and stuff... no use... there seems to be something left to do kernel-level
[07:07] <Ng> sub_pop: it's really not ;)
[07:07] <Kuyaedz> ejofee: sorry, got me on that..
[07:08] <bulio> question
[07:08] <iHeartKem> Linux is getting too easy to use now :-( (with ubuntu) but that's good for noobies, maybe ubuntu will be the OS to take over the desktop world instead of windows but theres still some ways to go
[07:08] <bulio> I am upgrading warty right now, with all its latest updates
[07:08] <tuskernini> Kuyaedz, my router is allows port 80 on my ip... well thats how it was when it worked before... how do i see what my iptables look like and what is allowed?
[07:08] <bulio> this means I will have newest firefox etc.
[07:08] <bulio> or no?
[07:08] <Kuyaedz> bulio: if you update/upgraded then you should have the latest stable version available in ubuntu repositories
[07:09] <bulio> I upgraded warty
[07:09] <bulio> not to breezy
[07:09] <iHeartKem> Quick Poll: Opera of Firefox ftw ?
[07:09] <iHeartKem> or**
[07:09] <Kuyaedz> bulio: right.  you should have the latest version (stable, public)
[07:09] <rem_> iptables -L i think ..tusk
[07:09] <_jason> iHeartKem, just try both and use what you prefer
[07:09] <bulio> excellent
[07:09] <iHeartKem> I know, just seeing others
[07:09] <iHeartKem> opinions
[07:10] <indro> hi
[07:10] <iHeartKem> wondering why firefox is so damn popular when opera seems so superiour ;)
[07:10] <indro> how i can change the default charset of ubuntu?
[07:10] <tuskernini> rem_ thanx but it does not show me something that makes sense...
[07:10] <_jason> iHeartKem, extensions ?
[07:10] <iHeartKem> nothing special
[07:10] <iHeartKem> its still slow
[07:11] <_jason> iHeartKem, sure they are and firefox was free first so it gained a fan-base early on
[07:11] <ejofee> iHeartKem: i prefer opera because of its ability to automatically save session. this way i don't care how many times it crashes. ;)
[07:11] <nuewo> hi i need only one help when i find icq fo ubuntu
[07:11] <iHeartKem> tuskernini there are some gui frontends for iptables you can find
[07:11] <iHeartKem> ejofee true ;)
[07:11] <Kuyaedz> nuewo: you're trying to chat via ICQ in ubuntu? is that your question?
[07:12] <UbuntuUser7362> hi, just upgraded to breezy badger, now im getting to the desktop screen but absolutely no menus but mouse seems to be functioning, what could be wrong?
[07:12] <indro> anyone can help?
[07:12] <tuskernini> iHeart... thanx...
[07:12] <nuewo> yes
[07:12] <munzir> hi sirs, when I enable all the repositories in the synaptic, would the installer try find the package in the CD first and then shift to the net if not available?
[07:12] <Kuyaedz> nuewo: use gaim Applications > Internet > Gaim (it supports icq, aim, msn, yahoo, irc, etc, etc.)
[07:12] <_Audrius_> when ubuntu starts up eth1 device is always inactive... I have manually activate it in case i want to connect over pppoe to internet... what can possibly be wrong?
[07:12] <Kuyaedz> munzir: I believe it checks the CD first if that line is not #'d in the sources.list
[07:13] <andybrucenet> this is pretty cool--just spent two days going thru gentoo install, portage is soooo slooow
[07:13] <iHeartKem> http://vuurmuur.sourceforge.net/ tuskernini looks cool
[07:13] <indro> its possible to change the default charset of ubuntu to ISO-8859-15?
[07:13] <L33Hambley> andybrucenet, what stage, 1, 2 or 3 ?
[07:13] <rosen> hmm during my installation of Planeshift (running the script from the HP) I get an error saying that I dont have .cvspass in my home/rosendahl/ folder (wich I dont) but how/what/why am I supposed to do ?
[07:13] <andybrucenet> only 3 supported now
[07:13] <munzir> andybrucenet, anyway I can tell whether the package is on the CD or not in advance?
[07:13] <L33Hambley> :(
[07:13] <indro> nuewo: ?
[07:13] <rosen> I've installed all the dependencies (including CVS) but ... gah I'm lost here
[07:13] <indro> anyone know that?
[07:14] <munzir> Kuyaedz,  anyway I can tell whether the package is on the CD or not in advance?
[07:14] <nuewo> i try to connect thank for help :o)
[07:14] <munzir> andybrucenet, sorry I used the wrong nick ;)
[07:14] <andybrucenet> completely failed at installing gentoo on next box, ubuntu did everything in 25 minutes
[07:14] <rosen> anyone ? ... please ? :P
[07:14] <Kuyaedz> andybrucenet: pretty smooth eh
[07:14] <andybrucenet> it is, now for apache2 and cvs...
[07:15] <Kuyaedz> munzir: ....not sure, never tried.  is there something you're looking for specifically?
[07:15] <indro> hello?
[07:15] <Jaymac> andybrucenet.. gentoo is awesome
[07:15] <Jaymac> but needs tweaking
[07:15] <Jaymac> :)
[07:15] <Kuyaedz> indro: I'm not sure of an option for that.  Have you checked out System > Pref > keyboards?  might be something in there someplace?
[07:16] <andybrucenet> jaymac, i built it on ancient 450mhz box and it rocks, no argument there
[07:16] <bulio> do I upgrade just the apps, or the whole linux kernel when I did apt-get upgrade
[07:16] <indro> Kuyaedz: im using kde
[07:16] <andybrucenet> but so slow to set up and so many things to mistype
[07:16] <Jaymac> hehe
[07:16] <Jaymac> First time I installed it, it took me 4 restarts i think
[07:16] <Kuyaedz> bulio: you updated apps, and backend libs most likely.. not sure which packages installed, but you should have the latest & greatest available now
[07:16] <Jaymac> i messed it up quite a few times
[07:16] <UbuntuUser7362> anyone know what's the application name that starts the Gnome panel or the Gnome menu?
[07:16] <L33Hambley> Graphics tablet Support Anyone 5.10 ?
[07:16] <qt2> my uname -r shows 2.6.15-7-686 even though installed from 2.6.12 sources + ubuntu patches... any idea what the hell is up with it?
[07:16] <andybrucenet> you beat me :)
[07:16] <Kuyaedz> indro: sorry, don't use KDE.  not sure where to find it there
[07:17] <_jason> UbuntuUser7362, gnome-panel for the panel
[07:17] <munzir> Kuyaedz, no I am new and can't yet understand all this universe, multiverse, restricted stuff! Now when I see: Base System, Base System (universe), Base System (restricted) what does this mean?
[07:17] <andybrucenet> where can i find info on setting up common tools (cvs, apache2, etc.)
[07:17] <andybrucenet> no "emerge" i guess
[07:17] <_jason> andybrucenet, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/
[07:17] <UbuntuUser7362> ty _jason
[07:17] <andybrucenet> thx!
[07:17] <Kuyaedz> munzir: those are the repositories (or databases) where you have programs available to you
[07:17] <indro> Kuyaedz: is /charset the same as keyboard charset?
[07:18] <_jason> andybrucenet, you can check out the forums too: http://ubuntuforums.org/, but I'd check the wiki first
[07:18] <Kuyaedz> indro: sorry, don't know.
[07:19] <bulio> how do I update to newest warty kernel?
[07:19] <munzir> Kuyaedz, ok but what's the difference and why I have three base systems?
[07:19] <Kuyaedz> bulio: if you've update/upgrade you HAVE the latest warty kernel
[07:19] <bulio> so if I've run apt-get upgrade
[07:19] <UbuntuUser7362> brb
[07:19] <bulio> I'm good?
[07:20] <Kuyaedz> bulio: you're good
[07:20] <hackersito69> hola
[07:20] <bulio> exscellent
[07:20] <bulio> I'm not going to install breezy
[07:20] <bulio> had too much trouble with it
[07:20] <bulio> I'll wait for next big release
[07:20] <Kuyaedz> munzir: they each hold different files.. just organization
[07:21] <Kuyaedz> munzir: there is one for security updates, one for base files, etc..
[07:21] <u|qos> how to manage the bandwidth generally in ubuntu?
[07:21] <Kuyaedz> u|quos: what do you mean, manage bandwidth?
[07:21] <hackersito69> speachk spanish
[07:21] <munzir> Kuyaedz, Umm! so now if I want to install things like flash or play DVD what do I need to add?
[07:22] <u|qos> Kuyaedz: allow max/min amount of data send each second ...
[07:22] <Kuyaedz> munzir: you'll probably want the universe repository & backports
[07:22] <Slarti2> anyone ever had a problem with the sound of static from their soundcard (sb1024)?
[07:22] <munzir> Kuyaedz, backports means what? I thought it has something to do with old packages, no?
[07:23] <La_PaRCa> ok, here is a quesiton... I just freed some space in my hard drive, but it is not contiguous to the partition I use as /home, how can I make that space part of that partition?
[07:23] <oli_> my pc, under ubuntu breezy. totally freeze from time to time, mostly randomly,  and i have to reboot... i dont have any idea whats causing this...
[07:23] <Kuyaedz> munzir: backports is more not-officially supported packages, but some very useful
[07:23] <rosen> does anyone here have experience in installing planeshift on an Ubuntu box ?
[07:23] <hackersito69> hello
[07:24] <Kuyaedz> munzir: if you're in synaptic check Settings > Repositories > Add & make sure everything is checked
[07:24] <Kuyaedz> munzir: that'll give you access to the widest range of supported programs for installation
[07:24] <Jaymac> heh.. Linus has got involved in the Gnome vs KDE dispute
[07:25] <qt2> my uname -r shows 2.6.15-7-686 even though installed from 2.6.12 sources + ubuntu patches... any idea what the hell is up with it?
[07:25] <bulio> once I get another ethernet cable, I'll be plugging in my wireless rour
[07:25] <bulio> *router
[07:26] <bulio> how will I adjust pppoeconf?
 <bulio> as the router will handle the auth
[07:26] <bulio> I plug it in, then what?
[07:27] <gentix> can anyone tell me how I can configure xorg in ubuntu 5.10
[07:28] <munzir> Kuyaedz, thanks a lot for this tip of enabling the backports. It worked
[07:28] <gentix> I can't run xorgconfig
[07:28] <Kuyaedz> munzir: no problem
[07:29] <L33Hambley> gentix - use /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[07:29] <siriusnova> haha
[07:29] <L33Hambley> and vi, or nano, or gedit
[07:29] <siriusnova> I didn't know playboy had a Linux mirror :D
[07:30] <Kuyaedz> lol
[07:30] <siriusnova> http://mirrors.playboy.com
[07:30] <siriusnova> lmao
[07:30] <gentix> L33Hambley: won't do. I need a configuration tool for this
[07:30] <gentix> L33Hambley: won't do. I need a configuration tool for this I dunno all the specs
[07:30] <L33Hambley> gentix - why?
[07:30] <siriusnova> thats kinda cool, now I can tell friends to go to Playboy and download linux from there :P
[07:31] <bulio> how do I change root password?
[07:31] <bulio> right now it is the same as user password
[07:31] <L33Hambley> sudo passwd
[07:31] <L33Hambley> and enter the old one, then 2 new ones i believe
[07:31] <bulio> and how do I use 12-hour time?
[07:31] <bulio> Its using 24 atm
[07:31] <korhalf> whats a good drawing utility for linux?
[07:31] <encompass> when trying sudo apt-get install realplayer I get this...
[07:32] <encompass> E: Package realplayer has no installation candidate
[07:32] <korhalf> to design brochures and ads i mean
[07:32] <gentix> L33Hambley: on 5.0X i had the xorgconfig tool. With wich I could select the right stuff
[07:32] <gentix> Now I can't run xorgconfig
[07:32] <Kuyaedz> bulio: you can change that in your clock preferences in your panel
[07:32] <bulio> anyone?
[07:32] <bulio> thanks
[07:32] <siriusnova> we need Ubuntu Girls
[07:32] <L33Hambley> gentix - what are you trying to configure about it ?
[07:32] <encompass> we need ubuntu not_so_newbee
[07:32] <gentix> L33Hambley: the hertz of the monitor
[07:33] <Kuyaedz> ecompass: I don't know that realplayer is available thru apt-get.  Have you activated backports & universe repositories?
[07:33] <sinizzl> i need drugs
[07:33] <L33Hambley> google for a modeline generator then
[07:33] <sinizzl> haschisch
[07:33] <gentix> I'm at 60 htz and well.. I have troubled eyes
[07:33] <korhalf> anyone know?
[07:33] <siriusnova> Jaymac - will you pose in sexy poses wearing a shirt with Ubuntu on it?
[07:33] <siriusnova> lol
[07:33] <encompass> yes
[07:33] <encompass> I have
[07:33] <matid> Running some funny project afaig ;)
[07:33] <encompass> http://www.ubuntuguide.org/ nhas the instructions
[07:33] <matid> s/afaig/again
[07:33] <gentix> This is one pain in the @#$@#$ you don't even wanna know
[07:33] <navarone> afternoon folks
[07:33] <korhalf> Does anyone know what program i can use to create brochures and ads in linux?
[07:33] <Kuyaedz> encompass: are you using breezy or hoary?
[07:33] <encompass> newest
[07:33] <encompass> breezy
[07:34] <Kuyaedz> encompass: then the instructions on ubuntuguide.org are going to be a little off.. make sure they are active in System > Admin > Synaptic > Tools > Repositories > Add
[07:34] <korhalf> Does anyone know what program i can use to create brochures and ads in linux?
[07:34] <jrr> korhalf: have you tried oo.org's offerings?
[07:34] <Chamwork-> inkscape maybe
[07:34] <matid> korhalf: Iskcape
[07:34] <korhalf> Thanks :D
[07:35] <Chamwork-> Inkscape is nice :)
[07:35] <navarone> korhalf, if you mean in a desktop publishing type manner you can probably use OpenOffice but I am sure there are more suitable programs designed specifically for that type of thing
[07:35] <jrr> inkscape isn't a desktop publishing program; it's vector graphics drawing
[07:35] <Chamwork-> it's like Publisher
[07:35] <chasmarang> when I do a command line su root it ask for a password *I don't even know
[07:35] <Kuyaedz> encompass: also, check out Applications > Add Applicatoins & search for realplayer.  That should help you get it installed
[07:35] <Chamwork-> chasmarang, use yours
[07:35] <tuskernini> ok, me again... HOW do i open apache to the outside world?
[07:35] <jrr> chasmarang: the root count isn't useable by default
[07:36] <navarone> chasmarang...you use sudo and the pass is your current users password
[07:36] <jrr> you can passwd root if you *really* want to use it
[07:36] <jrr> or you can just sudo
[07:36] <jrr> sudo bash if you need to do multiple things
[07:36] <korhalf> jrr, sudo -i does the same thing
[07:36] <chasmarang> thanks people
[07:37] <encompass> thanks, got it now
[07:37] <chasmarang> jolly holiday
[07:38] <kakei> who can help me configuring a chroot? http://www.seanius.net/geek/amd64/cedega-hl2-amd64.html
[07:38] <Kuyaedz> tuskernini: probably need to port forward 80 on your router
[07:38] <navarone> korhalf...take a look at Scribus in repo...google it first to see it it meets your needs
[07:39] <tuskernini> kuyaedz, i am almost certain that it is activated... my router has virtual host section ... and i opened it on port 80...
[07:39] <navarone> korhalp...www.scribus.net
[07:39] <Kuyaedz> tuskernini: did you port forward 80 to your LAN IP?
[07:40] <tuskernini> Kuyaedz, the same ip as my router, the end is just one more...
[07:40] <tuskernini> 192.168.1.2 where my router is 192.168.1.1
[07:40] <Kuyaedz> tuskernini: right, probably 192.168.1.2 (or something).  I'm assuming your router has a port forwarding section, add it to point to your IP there
[07:40] <carlo> hi all
[07:41] <carlo> a little question about gnome..
[07:41] <Mabus06> How do you edit the artist and track name of a .mp3 file?
[07:41] <carlo> how can i change the default character encondig in gnome?
[07:41] <Kuyaedz> tuskernini: your router is the initial contact to the outside world.  If it isn't told to point to your PC it'll never get thru
[07:41] <tuskernini> Kuyaedz, thats it.. it is done... so the problem must be somewhere else?
[07:42] <Kuyaedz> tuskernini: do you have any firewall installed on your system? ie; firestarter?
[07:42] <tuskernini> Kuyaedz, so there is something else i also have to change... no firewall
[07:42] <navarone> tuskernini, are you using a kernel w/out iptables?
[07:43] <k31th_> you guys use imap at all ?
[07:43] <tuskernini> Navarone, i dont know.. i set up the server with help from the forums
[07:43] <tuskernini> dont think so
[07:43] <k31th_> ?
[07:43] <carlo> who can help me?
[07:44] <carlo> how can i change the default character encondig in gnome?
[07:44] <EscapeFX> hey guys, how can I check to see that both of my CPUs are working?
[07:44] <navarone> tuskernini, go to terminal and type locate iptables...if you get a lot of hits it is installed. If so, install firestarter and you should be able to reconfigure ports
[07:45] <jrr> so i'm installing breezy on an imac 266 right now.. this will be interesting.
[07:45] <prakity> I have a sony vaio portable running 5.10 -- I want to turn off tapping on the trackpad
[07:46] <prakity> any idea how -- I tried MaxTimeOut 0 and Button0 0
[07:47] <rosen> is there a known reason why in Ubuntu I cannot run to sound outputs at the same time .. like running skype + music or whatever ?
[07:47] <gentix> I can't run xorfconfig on 5.10 how come??
[07:48] <rosen> is there a known reason why in Ubuntu I cannot run TWO sound outputs at the same time .. like running skype + music or whatever ?
[07:48] <rosen> that's how it was supposed to sound
[07:48] <jrr> rosen: has to do with your sound driver.. what kind of card you have?
[07:48] <jrr> also an ALSA vs OSS thing, but i'd think just about any card would be supported by alsa by now
[07:49] <tuskernini> navarone, i got lots of hits... but i did not do it that way the last time...
[07:49] <rosen> a onboard SiS soundcard
[07:49] <EscapeFX> Any way I can tell if both of my CPUs are wokring?
[07:49] <rosen> jrr, but it's seems to work in all other aspects
[07:49] <jrr> cat /proc/cpuinfo?
[07:50] <goose> hi i have a fairly stupid n00b question. how does automatic updates with ubuntu-calendar work?
[07:50] <EscapeFX> jrr processor: 0    means single?
[07:50] <goose> i.e. how do i enable it?
[07:50] <EscapeFX> 1 would be dual?
[07:50] <jrr> EscapeFX: on our server there are two entries, proc 0 and 1
[07:50] <jrr> EscapeFX: one for each chip
[07:51] <EscapeFX> mine only shows one... crap
[07:51] <EscapeFX> i know the hardware physically works
[07:51] <EscapeFX> any suggestions of where i go from here?
[07:51] <navarone> EscapeFX, are you using the appropriate kernel?
[07:51] <jrr> EscapeFX: i'd expect the stock ubuntu kernels to support SMP
[07:51] <jrr> but if not, maybe there's specia lones
[07:51] <jrr> *special ones
[07:52] <jrr> or else you could roll your own
[07:52] <navarone> there ar ekernels marked as smp
[07:52] <EscapeFX> im in a tad over my head i think
[07:52] <EscapeFX> i just about could handle the install that i did
[07:52] <EscapeFX> heh
[07:52] <navarone> EscapeFX, are you using the stock kernel from cd install?
[07:52] <jrr> rosen: i've had that happen before, and i believe i fixed it by using a different sound driver. maybe ubuntu picked one that doesn't permit multiple simultaneous sounds or maybe there *isn't* one that allows them
[07:53] <jrr> !smp
[07:53] <ubotflu> extra, extra, read all about it, smp is Symmetric Multi Processing. The x86 architecture way of using multiple CPUs in one computer.
[07:54] <rosen> jrr, but.. any suggestions on how to fix it ? .. I'm only a 48hour old linux user so I'm kind of lost here
[07:54] <paxmaster> Hello I am problem I am doing  sudo dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-$(uname -r)
[07:54] <paxmaster> Package `linux-image-2.6.12-paxmaster' is not installed and no info is available
[07:55] <pagux> i just installed ubuntu-gnome desktop  via apt but i am not able to login :-( ....on kubuntu
[07:55] <dooglus> rosen: you again?
[07:55] <pagux> after logging into gnome nothing comes up ....i have kill X
[07:55] <dooglus> rosen: what is it this time?  :)
[07:55] <rosen> dooglus, sorrryyyy
[07:56] <paxmaster> do you have gdm install ?
[07:56] <Astxist> how do I unmount a usbfs?
[07:56] <Astxist> I tried using unmount volume from the right click menu but no go
[07:56] <pagux> i am using kdm
[07:56] <dooglus> Astxist: "sudo umount /path/to/mount/point"
[07:56] <rosen> dooglus, my soundcard can only handle one source at a time .. wich is bad since I'm on skype allmost constantly and would like to run some sounds aswell
[07:56] <jrr> paxmaster: i think you messed up uname
[07:56] <Astxist> and umount says something like Cannot create link /etc/mtab~
[07:56] <Astxist> Perhaps there is a stale lock file?
[07:56] <munzir> Sirs! how can I play DVD's in ubuntu? I just insterted one and totem said there were no decoders
[07:56] <dooglus> rosen: if you stop using skype, can it handle more than one at a time?
[07:57] <pagux> is possible 2 use both kde and gnome on ubuntu ?
[07:57] <pagux> munzir r u grom india?
[07:57] <jrr> pagux: yes.
[07:57] <pagux> i just installed ubuntu-gnome desktop  via apt but i am not able to login :-( ....on kubuntu
[07:57] <rosen> dooglus, nah it's the same
[07:57] <munzir> pagux, no why?
[07:57] <jrr> pagux: try checking the multiverse/universe/whatever other apt repositories and see if KDE is in there somewhere
[07:57] <dooglus> rosen: oh.  I only ask because that's what happens for me.  I can runs lots of sounds at once, but skype doesn't play nicely with anything else.
[07:58] <paxmaster> uname -a
[07:58] <paxmaster> Linux linuxbox 2.6.12-paxmaster #1 Wed Dec 7 16:10:10 EST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux
[07:58] <Strike> pagux: He's from Saudi Arabia.
[07:58] <jrr> pagux: although it goes against my religion to help you use kde =D
[07:58] <rakesh> hi friends
[07:58] <pagux> after logging into gnome nothing comes up ....i have 2 kill X gnome each time as nothing comes up
[07:58] <rakesh> were to code the cgi programming in the file system
[07:58] <dooglus> Astxist: what does umount say?
[07:58] <rosen> dooglus, ah ok I'll try testing it again.. 2 mins
[07:58] <paxmaster> it know my kernal
[07:58] <munzir> Strike, why should this matter!
[07:59] <dooglus> rosen: I had assumed the problem was that skype is a KDE app, and everything else I run is GNOME.
[07:59] <Strike> munzir, it doesn't
[07:59] <jrr> paxmaster: so you're trying to reconfigure your customized kernel?
[07:59] <Strike> he simply asked if you were from India - and you're not, so I told him where you were from :-p
[07:59] <pagux> jrr: i have kubuntu destop ...i want 2 install gnome
[07:59] <paxmaster> well I want  to change my usplash screen to blue
[07:59] <munzir> Strike, thanks for the info then ;)
[07:59] <Astxist> dooglus, Cannot create link /etc/mtab~ Perhaps there is a stale lock file?
[07:59] <Strike> ?
[07:59] <Strike> but okeh :-)
[08:00] <EscapeFX> jrr ubuntu-5.10-install-i386.iso is what i picked
[08:00] <rosen> dooglus, seems you are right again ... it's sort of getting old ya know ? :D
[08:00] <jrr> pagux: whew much better
[08:00] <mysterydragon> hello everybody, i'm experiencing problems with the live boot cd of ubuntu
[08:00] <pagux> i just installed ubuntu-gnome desktop  via apt but i am not able to login :-( ....on kubuntu
[08:00] <pagux> after logging into gnome nothing comes up ....i have 2 kill X gnome each time as nothing comes up
[08:00] <munzir> Strike, so if you don't want me to make a law case against you for revealing sensitive info, can you tell me why totem don't want to play my DVD? wha'ts missing?
[08:00] <rakesh> were is cgi-bin file system
[08:00] <soundray> pagux, can you login on the text console?
[08:00] <pagux> yup ...
[08:01] <rosen> dooglus, guess I'll try to find a replacement for skype that'll run on windows aswell ... googletalk or something
[08:01] <pagux> and into kde but not gnome :-(
[08:01] <dracflamloc> hello
[08:01] <dracflamloc> how can i disable gdm?
[08:02] <dooglus> rosen: I was kind of meaning to get around to looking into what the problem is with skype and sound, but I don't really use it enough.  It's always running, but I don't make a lot of calls
[08:02] <dr_willis> dracflamloc,  you wanting to boot straight to the console?
[08:02] <soundray> pagux, are you short of diskspace? (df)
[08:02] <Strike> 12.13[14:00:34]  <munzir> Strike, so if you don't want me to make a law case against you for revealing sensitive info, can you tell me why totem don't want to play my DVD? wha'ts missing? <-- There's no need to be an idiot, its not sensitive info as you're publicly broadcasting it.
[08:02] <pagux> no
[08:02] <Strike> And there is no law against me revealing information that you publicly broadcast.
[08:02] <dracflamloc> dr_willis, i was to use fvwm-themes-start to start my x session but it doesnt show in the session list in gdm, so i either want to add it or just boot to terminal so i can start it
[08:02] <soundray> pagux, look at your $HOME/.xsession-errors to see if there is a clue
[08:03] <Strike> Don't pick legal battles when you have no clue what you're talking about.
[08:03] <fredl> how can you tell totem to use esd?
[08:03] <dr_willis> dracflamloc,  its fairly easy to add new sessions to the gdm  list.
[08:03] <dracflamloc> what file do i look in
[08:03] <Strike> It'll get others irritated and you in trouble for frivilous lawsuits
[08:03] <Elsan> What tool should I use to convert my mp3 collection to OGG Vorbis?
[08:03] <dr_willis> dracflamloc,  theres some dir that has a  '*.desktop' entry for every item in the gdm list..
[08:03] <dr_willis> dracflamloc,  i just can never remember where it is :P
[08:03] <rakesh> any body there who knows cgi prog
[08:03] <benji_> i have a bit of a silly question about repositories... can anyone help?
[08:04] <jrr> EscapeFX: any luck?  what you need to do is find a kernel package that supports SMP.
[08:04] <rosen> dooglus, ah ok I use it constantly with a buddy of mine, so it's sort of essential. But I'm sure there must be some alternatives out there... I just gotta find them ;)
[08:04] <fredl> cgi proc??
[08:04] <dooglus> rakesh: there's nothing much to know about cgi programming
[08:04] <soundray> Elsan, have you looked at the information about transcoding on xiph.org?
[08:04] <jrr> EscapeFX: you can probably do that with the graphical package thing, but i'm a bit unfamiliar with it.
[08:04] <fredl> rakesh: preferably you want to forget about CGI.
[08:04] <HappyFool> benji_: what's the question?
[08:04] <dr_willis> dracflamloc,    /usr/share/xsessions/*.desltop
[08:04] <dr_willis> dracflamloc,    /usr/share/xsessions/*.desktop files :P
[08:04] <pagux> nothing all kde related errors
[08:04] <rakesh> dooglus can u tell were to put the cgi code
[08:05] <soundray> Elsan, essentially the creators of Ogg Vorbis warn you that it is a Bad Idea(tm).
[08:05] <dooglus> rakesh: that depends on your web server configuration
[08:05] <Elsan> soundray: How come? I just  want to use something without licensing fees..
[08:05] <munzir> Strike, I am just kidding
[08:05] <dracflamloc> dr_willis, thanks
[08:05] <pagux> i am using kdm ......is that can be aproblem ?
[08:06] <munzir> Strike, bu
[08:06] <rakesh> dooglus, in fedora there is file called cgi-bin for code but here ?
[08:06] <munzir> Strike, by the way may be I need to tell you there is no law even if you hacked my PC here so don't worry ;)
[08:06] <soundray> Elsan, the reason is one of audio quality. Compression artefacts from MP3 encoding and Ogg encoding add up, making the result sound worse than a direct encode from WAV or CDR.
[08:07] <Elsan> soundray: So... I'd be better off just ripping my CDs again?
[08:07] <Strike> heh - not familiar with Saudi Arabian law but I may go into information & privacy appelate law in the US
[08:07] <soundray> Elsan, it depends on whether you can live with the quality loss.
[08:07] <Elsan> soundray: Then I'll forget about it... a lot of my music comes from my friends' CDs...
[08:08] <Strike> if I can deal with the conceited morons in the legal field
[08:08] <Jemt> Greetings. Is it safe to 'apt-get remove firefox' ?
[08:08] <tobi-wan[away] > Jemt: sure, if you do not want to use firefox
[08:08] <benji_> happyfool the question is i used the ubuntuguide.org repositories to install a few apps on my ubuntu when i had 5.04 installed but now i have 5.10 can I use the same repositories
[08:08] <Jemt> I'm affraid that it might remove important dependencies
[08:08] <Jemt> tobi-wan[away] : Ok, great :)
[08:08] <fredl> totem appears to be a rather disappointing application....
[08:08] <Jemt> Thanks
[08:08] <lfop> is there any disk-defrag tool for ubuntu?
[08:08] <tobi-wan[away] > Jemt: apt takes care of the dependencies, nothing will get broken, i think
[08:08] <HappyFool> benji_: i believe ubuntuguide.org is a bit out-of-date
[08:08] <soundray> Elsan, really what you need to do is transcode a few MP3s to Ogg and listen for artifacts and whether they bother you.
[08:08] <fredl> or is that just me??
[08:09] <HappyFool> benji_: have you looked at help.ubuntu.com ? or system -> help -> starter guide ?
[08:09] <Elsan> soundray: Ok. What too should I use to transcode then?
[08:09] <soundray> Elsan, the way to work this is to go via uncompressed audio, i.e. MP3 -> WAV -> Ogg Vorbis.
[08:09] <benji_> happyfool I realised that also... heh is there any other quick quide or site where I can find repositories for common apps?
[08:09] <Jemt> tobi-wan[away] : Well, it says it will remove 'gnome-app-install' and 'ubuntu-desktop'
[08:09] <spdl> bbiab
[08:09] <benji_> I'm quite new to linux and ubuntu
[08:09] <Jemt> tobi-wan[away] : To mention a few..
[08:10] <lfop> is there any disk-defrag tool for ubuntu??
[08:10] <HappyFool> benji_: seveas has written a neat web-page to generate a sources.list, but i don't know the url
[08:10] <soundray> ubotflu: tell benji_ about easysource
[08:10] <Jemt> lfop: I don't think you need one. Linux is not as crazy as Windows :)
[08:10] <HappyFool> changed his name, has he?
[08:10] <tobi-wan[away] > Jemt: yeah, because firefox is one of the basic components of ubuntu's desktop (the default browser)
[08:10] <lfop> Jemt. ok =)
[08:10] <Jemt> lfop: Well, depends on your filesystem of cause :)
[08:11] <tobi-wan[away] > Jemt: but ubuntu-desktop, for instance, is only a meta-package
[08:11] <pagux> i just installed ubuntu-gnome desktop  via apt but i am not able to login :-( ....on kubuntu
[08:11] <Jemt> You are probably running EXT2/3
[08:11] <pagux> after logging into gnome nothing comes up ....i have 2 kill X gnome each time as nothing comes up
[08:11] <lfop> yeah
[08:11] <Jemt> tobi-wan[away] : What about 'gnome-app-installer' ?
[08:11] <Jemt> tobi-wan[away] : 'gnome-app-install' even
[08:11] <tobi-wan[away] > Jemt: and even if it breaks things, you can easily re-install the stuff, so why not give it a try?
[08:11] <tobi-wan[away] > Jemt: hmm.... i'm not sure about that, i have to admit
[08:11] <Jemt> tobi-wan[away] : Ok, thanks.
[08:11] <benji_> seveas what is the url of your site?
[08:12] <Jemt> tobi-wan[away] : Okay :)
[08:12] <benji_> thanks soundray and ubotflu
[08:12] <mOrPHL1n9> hi, any1 know how can i get my spanish keyboard running with all keys on ubuntu?
[08:12] <fredl> is there, like, a package that I can install that will give totem all the normal video and audio plugins at the same time?!?!
[08:12] <roune> does anywone know if fluxbox works with AMD 64,os ubuntu?
[08:13] <Determinist> how do i place the trash icon on my desktop?
[08:13] <paxmaster> Oh yeah i was installing ubuntu on the laptop with 17 " monitor because the lcd is not working, when the x window start it fail to start
[08:13] <Determinist> roune, should work just fine, i suppose
[08:13] <kafeine> roune: shouldn't be any problems
[08:13] <paxmaster> gdm
[08:14] <pagux> i just installed ubuntu-gnome desktop  via apt but i am not able to login :-( ....on kubuntu
[08:14] <roune> okay, coz i found a deb pack or something(i dont know anything about linux^^) so i tried to install it, but didnt work, coz it was for 32, it saod
[08:14] <pagux> after logging into gnome nothing comes up ....i have 2 kill X gnome each time as nothing comes up
[08:14] <paxmaster> I also did the dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg but it not working
[08:14] <roune> said*
[08:14] <soundray> pagux, have you looked at .xsession-errors like I asked you to?
[08:14] <pagux> nothing all kde related errors
[08:14] <benji_> thanx all of you
[08:14] <benji_> :P
[08:14] <Mez> Hmm
[08:15] <Mez> what program with ubuntu lets me get into Windows machines through RDP - not VNC
[08:15] <pagux> soundray: nothing all kde related errors
[08:15] <soundray> Elsan, was I making sense?
[08:15] <Exxcaliber> Mez, there's one build in
[08:15] <Exxcaliber> Mez, the terminal server client
[08:15] <pagux> pagux@pagux-amy:~$ cat .xsession-errors  | grep gtk  turned up nothing
[08:16] <sethk> Mez, there is terminal server support in the kernel, which needs to be enabled before you can do anything else in this area.  I would have to check on the linux side userland tools.
[08:16] <soundray> pagux, that is not the way to trace the error you're seeing.
[08:16] <sethk> Mez, what Exxcaliber said, the terminal server client.  :)
[08:16] <EscapeFX> does anyone have any experience switching to a smp kernel and can help me out?
[08:16] <bulio> how can I tell what apt-get upgraded?
[08:17] <soundray> pagux: restart gdm, run a tail on .xsession-errors in the text console, then switch to gdm and login. When it hangs, look at the tail of .xsession-errors.
[08:17] <Elsan> soundray: Yes, you were :p. What tool should I use to transcode then? It seems Kaudiocreator would do the job...
[08:17] <jrr> bulio: you can start by checking the cache in /var/apt/cache/
[08:17] <jrr> er, /var/cache/apt
[08:17] <soundray> Elsan, whatever takes your fancy.
[08:17] <dooglus> rosen: did you see this? http://www.skype.com/help/guides/soundsetup_linux.html
[08:17] <pagux> soundray: I am using kdm not gdm
[08:17] <jrr> EscapeFX: open up your packages browser and see if there's smp kernels in there
[08:17] <fredl> wow, lots of questions here tonight :)
[08:17] <jrr> EscapeFX: if not, you'll need to compile your own, which is difficult but documented
[08:17] <Elsan> soundray: I'm not much of a sound fanatic. Never really had the musical ear. So I don't really even see the difference besides stereo/mono sound.
[08:17] <bulio> ok
[08:17] <gib8> hi
[08:18] <bulio> what file do I view?
[08:18] <soundray> pagux, but you're trying to start Gnome? Same procedure then.
[08:18] <jrr> bulio: when new packages are downloaded, they are copied into that directory
[08:18] <sethk> EscapeFX, there isn't much to it.  Just kernel options
[08:18] <gib8> can someone please help me to ajust the monitor-picture (sice of the screen but not the resolution)?
[08:18] <jrr> bulio: i'm sure there's a much better and correct way to check
[08:18] <bulio> in archives?
[08:18] <jrr> some log somewhere
[08:18] <jrr> try /var/log
[08:18] <jrr> yes
[08:18] <EscapeFX> seth_k, is it literally just an apt-get linux-686-smp  and viola?
[08:19] <pagux> soundray: shoudi remove My esiting x sessio errors file then
[08:19] <Zugwrack> And if you are using synaptic to install packages you can select file/history
[08:19] <soundray> Elsan, use any MP3 decoder, and use oggenc (or some frontend) to create Ogg Vorbis.
[08:19] <bulio> which file?
[08:19] <fredl> viola?
[08:19] <bulio> jrr: what file in there?
[08:19] <soundray> pagux, no, unnecessary. In the text console, run 'tail -f $HOME/.xsession-errors'
[08:19] <EscapeFX> "just apt-get linux-686-smp and its all done" ?
[08:20] <bulio> ?
[08:20] <bulio> anoyne?
[08:20] <jrr> i don't know. look around. look for "apt"
[08:20] <bulio> also, how do I do a software upgrade
[08:20] <bulio> aptitude?
[08:20] <jrr> or dpkg
[08:20] <pagux> soundray: I will be back ;-)
[08:20] <Zugwrack> bulio: It will automatically tell you when updates are available
[08:20] <soundray> gib8, that's usually done in the monitor settings
[08:20] <gorm> hi my al-gr isn't working. when i start X, I get "error activating KXB configuration"
[08:21] <gorm> XKB
[08:21] <soundray> pagux, good luck.
[08:21] <fredl> so what's the diff between totem-gstreamer and totem-xine, apart from that one works and the other one doesn't?
[08:21] <bulio> what will?
[08:21] <bulio> what will tell me I need to update?
[08:21] <fredl> and which totem is preferable?
[08:21] <gib8> soundray, where can i find these monitor settings?
[08:21] <fredl> bulio - a little icon on the top right of your screen will.
[08:22] <Zugwrack> bulio: It is magic..when there are updates a window will pop up and tell you there are updates available
[08:22] <soundray> gib8, on the monitor.
[08:22] <bulio> that my apps need updating?
[08:22] <bulio> even in 4.10 warty?
[08:22] <gib8> soundray, no my monitor doesnt have this things :-(
[08:22] <bulio> thats what I have
[08:22] <Zugwrack> bulio: Nope
[08:22] <bulio> I'm not upgradingto breezy
[08:22] <dooglus> rakesh: in breezy, cgi scripts go in /usr/lib/cgi-bin/ by default, but you can configure apache to use any directory you like
[08:22] <soundray> gib8, what kind of monitor is it and how old?
[08:22] <gib8> soundray, philips brilliance 107
[08:22] <gib8> soundray, old ;)
[08:22] <rosen> dooglus, nah I didnt .. I am now though ;)
[08:23] <Zugwrack> Ok so then use synaptic to check for available updates/mark them and install them then
[08:23] <soundray> gib8, I mean is it a CRT or LCD?
[08:23] <bulio> ok
[08:23] <bulio> how do I use synaptic?
[08:23] <gib8> soundray, i remember an old tool for suse with which this was possible, a crt monitor
[08:23] <gib8> soundray, it called sax i mean
[08:23] <dooglus> bulio: run "pgrep -l update" - you'll see the name of the process which is watching for updates for you
[08:23] <soundray> gib8, okay, you're looking for a modeline generator.
[08:23] <Zugwrack> dooglus: He is version 4.10 Ubuntu
[08:24] <dooglus> Zugwrack: did 4.10 not have the update-notifiedr?
[08:24] <soundray> gib8, try xvidtune
[08:24] <gib8> soundray, could be, i dont know for what i am looking ;)#
[08:24] <fredl> why would anybody want to be running 4.10?
[08:24] <gib8> soundray, okay thx :-)
[08:24] <Zugwrack> I don't believe it did no....at least on the PPC version it didn't
[08:24] <bulio> I don't see anyhting
[08:24] <dooglus> Zugwrack: kubuntu still doesn't have it - in 5.10
[08:24] <bulio> bulio@emachine:~ $ sudo pgrep -l update
[08:24] <bulio> bulio@emachine:~ $
[08:25] <Zugwrack> dooglus: Ok well I was assuming bulio was talking ubuntu/gnome
[08:25] <bulio> ubuntu gnome 4.10 warty
[08:25] <soundray> gib8, apt-cache search modeline throws up videogen, which seems to be more recent. But I don't know it.
[08:25] <dooglus> Zugwrack: I think he was...
[08:25] <dooglus> Zugwrack: since there was no kubuntu 4.10
[08:25] <bulio> I did apt-get update && apt-get upgrade before
[08:26] <gib8> soundray, i found something about xvidtunes, i will try this first :-)
[08:26] <HappyFool> fredl: trying to piece your ubuntu back together? ;)
[08:26] <Zugwrack> Ok so the information about Kubuntu not having the update notifier is related to his question how?
[08:26] <Elsan> soundray: Thanks.
[08:26] <jono> hey all
[08:27] <fredl> HappyFool - well everything's working quite alright. I just got a lot of applications I never bothered to use, all the fancy multimedia shit, so now I'm trying out things :)
[08:27] <fredl> HappyFool: and as always, experimenting goes easier with some loud rocktunes on the background :P
[08:28] <fredl> although, hmm, maybe some more Tiesto or Paul Oakenfold maybe...
[08:28] <jrr> afterhoursdj.org
[08:29] <jrr> they've got a 192kbit stream, which is unheard of for internet radio
[08:29] <fredl> I always am torn between loud rockmusic or clean trance music. Never know which makes me work more comfortably.
[08:29] <bulio> firefox 1.0.7
[08:29] <fredl> jrr - I often listen to di.fm
[08:29] <soundray> fredl, stop it - my boy's just playing finger exercises on the piano :(
[08:29] <bulio> is that latest ubuntu version?
[08:29] <soundray> :)
[08:30] <EscapeFX> thanks guys
[08:30] <fredl> di.fm rockz. It was my lifeline to European trance when I lived in the US :)
[08:30] <fredl> Hrmm, anybody here that uses Kino?
[08:31] <bulio> firefox 1.0.7
[08:31] <bulio> is that latest ubuntu version?
[08:31] <bulio> because thats what synaptic says
[08:31] <fredl> bulio....
[08:31] <fredl> you're strange man...
[08:31] <marcin_> hi does somebody use a evolution in ubuntu 5.10
[08:31] <bulio> fredl: why?
[08:32] <HappyFool> bulio: looks like 1.0.7 is the latest version for 5.10
[08:32] <bulio> great
[08:32] <bulio> so synaptic is working
[08:32] <bulio> all the apps got updated
[08:32] <fredl> The latest ubuntu version is 5.10.
[08:32] <bulio> I'm using 4.10
[08:32] <bulio> I'm not going to 5.10
[08:32] <fredl> yes.
[08:32] <fredl> oh wait...
[08:32] <bulio> breezy was giving me problems
[08:32] <UnL0cK> gnome or kde?
[08:32] <HappyFool> bulio: not a clue about 4.10 -- take a look on packages.ubuntu.com
[08:32] <fredl> never mind me bulio.
[08:33] <Jemt> Greetings. I have just installed build-essential and CheckInstall in order to make it easier to compile programs. But I'm not sure how to use checkinstall. Should I still execute 'make' before 'checkinstall packagename' ?
[08:33] <fredl> brb
[08:33] <Kyral> .....checkinstall is evil
[08:35] <linx_> is there a place where i can get a good source.list so i don't have to add all of them in?
[08:35] <Kyral> linx_: its not like its hard...
[08:35] <HappyFool> Jemt: maybe read 'man checkinstall' ? (no-one here seems to be answering)
[08:35] <linx_> kyral true but it gets old
[08:35] <Kyral> linx_: how often do you do it lol
[08:35] <Jemt> HappyFool: Thanks
[08:35] <HappyFool> !tell linx_ about sources
[08:36] <linx_> kyral i had to format 3 times this week
[08:36] <Kyral> linx_: ouch
[08:36] <linx_> kyral ya
[08:36] <linx_> kyral so source.list is last thing i want to do
[08:36] <Kyral> why did you have to reformat
[08:36] <fredl> Hrmm can this gnome window manager autoraise windows and focus follows mouse?
[08:36] <linx_> kyral various stuff
[08:37] <fredl> I hate that point to click shit
[08:37] <ntldr> Hi
[08:37] <HappyFool> fredl: system -> preferences -> windows
[08:37] <Kyral> fredl yes I thinnk
[08:37] <Adam_> Hi guys. I'm doing a survey for my final year project and I would very much appreciate it if you could submit a number of website addresses you use on a regular basis. Please check http://adamgp.cjb.cc Thanks!
[08:37] <linx_> kyral like vmware killed my ubuntu o.O
[08:37] <fredl> ah :) thanks HappyFool, thought I'd ask a simple one to get an answer *evilgrin*
[08:37] <HappyFool> heh ;)
[08:37] <ntldr> I have a display problem with Midnight Commander in full screen text mode
[08:38] <aircooledmadness>  snoop.burghcom.com
[08:38] <rosen> dooglus, it seems my setting were allready like they suggested on the webpage.. But browsing through the forums I found rumors about a skype2 that should be comming soon... one can hope :)
[08:38] <sethk> linx_, vmware does have a tendency to be lethal.  However, it really shouldn't kill ubuntu.  what do you see?
[08:38] <fredl> Midnight Commander, oh what a wonderfull application :)
[08:38] <fredl> hehe my name is in the Authors list :)
[08:38] <pagux> i am getting this error in .xsession_errors when i try to login via gnome
[08:38] <pagux> _IceTransTransNoListen: unable to find transport: tcp
[08:38] <pagux> _IceTransmkdir: ERROR: euid != 0,directory /dev/X will not be created.
[08:38] <pagux> _IceTransmkdir: ERROR: Cannot create /dev/X
[08:38] <pagux> _IceTransPTSOpenServer: mkdir(/dev/X) failed, errno = 13
[08:38] <linx_> sethk after i installed it... when id go to do anything pretty much that took a lil bit of ram itd freeze even when vm wasn't runing
[08:38] <Kyral> no paste in here
[08:38] <pagux> _IceTransOpen: transport open failed for pts/pagux-amy:
[08:38] <ntldr> fredl, yeah, I want to use it, but it displays all things overlapped
[08:38] <pagux> _IceTransMakeAllCOTSServerListeners: failed to open listener for pts
[08:38] <pagux> _IceTransISCOpenServer: Protocol is not supported by a ISC connection
[08:39] <pagux> _IceTransOpen: transport open failed for isc/pagux-amy:
[08:39] <pagux> _IceTransMakeAllCOTSServerListeners: failed to open listener for isc
[08:39] <pagux> _IceTransSCOOpenServer: Protocol is not supported by a SCO connection
[08:39] <pagux> _IceTransOpen: transport open failed for sco/pagux-amy:
[08:39] <pagux> _IceTransMakeAllCOTSServerListeners: failed to open listener for sco
[08:39] <Kyral> !tell pagux about pastebin
[08:39] <linx_> sethk it was like it was always in the background
[08:39] <fredl> ntldr - well my contribution to mc was YEARS ago when it still could not move/copy etc. directories
[08:39] <fredl> ntldr - so I really don't know too much about it =)
[08:39] <ntldr> where can I paste a picture of it?
[08:39] <ntldr> upload
[08:39] <Seveas> ntldr, pastebin :)
[08:40] <ntldr> Seveas, what's the address?
[08:40] <Seveas> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[08:40] <ntldr> thanks
[08:40] <gorm> Error activating XKB configuration.
[08:40] <gorm> It can happen under various circumstances:
[08:40] <gorm> - a bug in libxklavier library
[08:40] <gorm> - a bug in X server (xkbcomp, xmodmap utilities)
[08:40] <gorm> - X server with incompatible libxkbfile implementation
[08:40] <gorm> X server version data:
[08:40] <gorm> The X.Org Foundation
[08:40] <Kyral> .....
[08:40] <pagux> hi folks
[08:40] <DjLinX> does vmware have better graphix then cedega tho?
[08:41] <Kyral> ....
[08:41] <Seveas> Kyral, you're losing breadcrumbs :)
[08:41] <bulio> where would xchat be installed to?
[08:41] <Seveas> bulio, /usr/bin/xchat
[08:41] <fredl> so will gstreamer replace xine?
[08:41] <Kyral> Seveas: its called having two exams back to back
[08:42] <Seveas> Kyral, ouch
[08:42] <pagux> i am trying 2 run gnome in kubuntu
[08:42] <Seveas> when was that/will that be?
[08:42] <Kyral> ..pagux you can
[08:42] <fredl> bulio - dpkg -L xchat
[08:42] <Seveas> pagux, sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[08:42] <Kyral> We should really start calling this project MetaBuntu
[08:42] <scenestar> meh
[08:42] <pagux> i have just installed  ubuntu-desktop pakage
[08:42] <scenestar> 'lo room
[08:42] <Seveas> pagux, then logout, select gnome, login
[08:42] <scenestar> i just installed ubuntu 5.4 on my laptop
[08:42] <PupenoL> I am using apt-ftparchive to make a repository, I configured it like: BinDirectory "ubuntu/breezy/rs/" { Packages "ubuntu/breezy/rs/Packages"; } and I get the error "E: Could not open file ./ubuntu/breezy/rs/binary-i386/Packages.gz.new - open (2 No such file or directory)". Why is it tring to access binary-i386 ? my packages are not there. Or how can I tell dpkg-buildpackage to store them there ?
[08:42] <zerberus_> hi all!
[08:42] <scenestar> but i heard bad ship about the acpi
[08:43] <Seveas> scenestar, why the older version when it's a new install?
[08:43] <scenestar> can someone put my mind at rest
[08:43] <scenestar> and tell me it wont catch fire
[08:43] <bulio> all that it in /bulio is desktop
[08:43] <pagux> but i am not able to login .....nothing happens when i select gnome
[08:43] <DeloMorte> Error activating XKB configuration.
[08:43] <DeloMorte> It can happen under various circumstances:
[08:43] <DeloMorte> - a bug in libxklavier library
[08:43] <DeloMorte> - a bug in X server (xkbcomp, xmodmap utilities)
[08:43] <DeloMorte> - X server with incompatible libxkbfile implementation
[08:43] <DeloMorte> X server version data:
[08:43] <DeloMorte> The X.Org Foundation
[08:43] <DeloMorte> 60802000
[08:43] <DeloMorte> If you report this situation as a bug, please include:
[08:43] <Seveas> jees
[08:43] <scenestar> Seveas: because that was the only disk i had kying around
[08:43] <pagux> i have 2 kill X server
[08:43] <scenestar> besides, i had been using debian untill now
[08:43] <zerberus_> anyone can help me with screen resolution? I allready read the HowTo and changed my xorg.conf but still I can't switch to 1280x1024. And thats the only res I have left in xorg.conf
[08:43] <scenestar> i didnt know there was anew vbersion out
[08:44] <scenestar> zerberus_: check that shit for syntax errors
[08:44] <pagux> but i am not able to login .....nothing happens when i select gnome ... i have 2 kill xserver :-(
[08:44] <scenestar> you probably fuicked up
[08:44] <fredl> zerberus - check the DefaultDepth I believe
[08:44] <scenestar> anwyays
[08:44] <scenestar> on the 64 bit AMD turions
[08:45] <fredl> zerberus - in the Section "Screen" your xorg.conf will have a DefaultDepth <something>
[08:45] <scenestar> whats the deal with the acpi
[08:45] <zerberus_> DefaultDepth is 24 and there is only 1280x1024 there, and no syntax errors
[08:45] <scenestar> will my machine catch fire or not?
[08:45] <ntldr> Here is my MC problem: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/5711
[08:45] <zerberus_> in the system tool for res chang I can select a load of different modes but not 1280x1024
[08:45] <paolo> hello
[08:45] <holycow> for some reason ubuntu thinks text files are executables ... anyone know how to fix this?
[08:45] <scenestar> ntldr: looks like you jsut misconfigured X
[08:46] <paolo> i need information
[08:46] <Seveas> ntldr, export TERM=vt100
[08:46] <Seveas> and then retry mc
[08:46] <scenestar> holycow: thats becausde theyre scripts
[08:46] <paolo> i would like to buy a digital camera
[08:46] <holycow> scenestar, no, plain ascii text files associated with gedit
[08:46] <holycow> not scripts
[08:46] <fredl> zerberus - did you check the logfile?
[08:46] <paolo> but i do not know what is better supported from gnu/linux
[08:46] <paolo> can you help me ?
[08:46] <Kyral> I shall take my leave for now
[08:46] <jrr> i'm glad ttf-bengali-fonts install by default.  they're important.
[08:46] <holycow> they never used to be recognized as executable
[08:46] <Jemt> Hm, I'm trying to compile Bluefish by executing './configure' - but it states that i'm missing a C compiler. What package(s) do I need to install ?
[08:46] <Seveas> paolo, any camera that adheres to the usb removable drive standard is perfectly supported
[08:46] <fredl> zerberus - it's /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[08:46] <Kyral> Jemt: sudo apt-get install bluefish
[08:46] <pagux> here is xsession_errors -> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/5712
[08:46] <Seveas> paolo, and most cameras do adhere to it
[08:47] <zerberus_> fredl: nope, where is it? Sorry just installed Ubuntu
[08:47] <Jemt> Kyral: I want to compile it myself
[08:47] <jrr> Jemt: gcc
[08:47] <pagux> i have just installed  ubuntu-desktop pakage
[08:47] <pagux> but i am not able to login .....nothing happens when i select gnome ... i have 2 kill xserver :-(
[08:47] <Kyral> Jemt: Why...
[08:47] <pagux> here is xsession_errors -> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/5712
[08:47] <Jemt> jrr: gxx is already installed
[08:47] <paolo> do you know any gopod type ?
[08:47] <Kyral> Jemt: then you need build-essiential
[08:47] <Jemt> Kyral: Take a wild guess
[08:47] <Jemt> Kyral: Newest version
[08:47] <jrr> Jemt: howbout make and automake
[08:47] <Kyral> Jemt: because you are bored?
[08:47] <Seveas> paolo, my pentax workd
[08:47] <Jemt> Kyral: Also installed :)
[08:47] <fredl> zerberus - there will be a ton of info in it. glance over it to see if you see anything recognizable
[08:47] <Rokker_Stu> im having some problems with playin some mp3s in ubuntu, it says, "totem could not play file bla bla bla.... there were no decoders found to handle the stream, you might need to install the corresponding plugins" and thats all
[08:47] <paxmaster> Hello I am having problem I am doing  sudo dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-$(uname -r)
[08:47] <Seveas> Jemt, apt-get build-dep bluefish (installs all buil dependencies)
[08:47] <paolo> pentax model
[08:47] <paxmaster> Package `linux-image-2.6.12-paxmaster' is not installed and no info is available
[08:47] <scenestar> Rokker_Stu: read the forums
[08:48] <Kyral> jeez, I never seem to uderstand this obession with "The Latest Version"
[08:48] <scenestar> mp3s arent played out of the box
[08:48] <Seveas> paolo, an old one :)
[08:48] <Kyral> if it ain't broke don't fix it
[08:48] <Seveas> but afaik all pentaxes work
[08:48] <scenestar> theres some shellscripts that fix it fo you
[08:48] <pagux> pl pl someone tell whts wrong ...why cant i logg into gnome
[08:48] <Jemt> jrr: Can't execute make and make install before I have done 'configure'
[08:48] <Rokker_Stu> and what about vlc then?
[08:48] <paolo> and which formats are supported ?
[08:48] <Jemt> Seveas: Already done that
[08:48] <scenestar> Rokker_Stu: read the forums
[08:48] <Seveas> paolo, formats?
[08:48] <scenestar> RTFM
[08:48] <fredl> (**) fglrx(0): *Mode "1600x1200": 229.5 MHz (scaled from 0.0 MHz), 106.2 kHz, 85.0 Hz
[08:48] <Kyral> scenestar: BAD!
[08:48] <Seveas> scenestar, RTFM is not a word we use in here
[08:48] <Kyral> No RTFM!
[08:48] <scenestar> D:
[08:48] <paolo> *jpg, bmp, gif etc....
[08:48] <Rokker_Stu> what forum?
[08:48] <Seveas> paolo, all of them :)
[08:48] <Kyral> www.ubuntuforums.org
[08:48] <paolo> png
[08:48] <fredl> see LCD screens SO suck. LCD screen, eat THAT resolution and refresh rate :)
[08:49] <jrr> =D
[08:49] <paolo> not all
[08:49] <Rokker_Stu> no, not that, but which subforum?
[08:49] <fredl> Seveas - is FGI allowed?
[08:49] <jrr> many lcd's can do that.
[08:49] <Kyral> Rokker_Stu: search...
[08:49] <HappyFool> pagux: try logging in and removing the ~/.ICEauthority file
[08:49] <jrr> the refresh rate doesn't much matter on lcd's as you can't see the flicker
[08:49] <scenestar> Rokker_Stu: theres this awesoem search function
[08:49] <scenestar> try it
[08:49] <Seveas> fredl, no :)
[08:49] <Kyral> Yah I'm gonna leave before I go to BOFH mode
[08:49] <scenestar> same
[08:49] <Seveas> Kyral, :)
[08:49] <HappyFool> pagux: that's a guess - you mentioned problems with ICE earlier, and it sometimes fixes things to rm that file
[08:49] <scenestar> im not a people person
[08:49] <fredl> seveas - oh... ok... well I stick to the rulez although FGI is my favorite.
[08:49] <paolo> thanks of all
[08:49] <Kyral> I'll be back when I get done with all my work
[08:50] <Seveas> fredl, I'm also tempted a lot to use it :)
[08:50] <fredl> Seveas - you know there's an actual website for that right?
[08:50] <Seveas> yeah
[08:50] <Seveas> (just)fuckinggoogleit.com
[08:50] <fredl> I thought that website was just friggen brilliant when I first saw it.
[08:50] <veronique> veronique
[08:51] <Seveas> it's brilliant for support people in BOFH mode :)
[08:51] <fredl> mwuhaha yeah
[08:51] <jenda> veronique: hello
[08:51] <veronique> hello
[08:51] <Seveas> fredl, I suppose you do know the real BOFH?
[08:51] <scenestar> meh
[08:51] <veronique> bonjour
[08:52] <pagux> HappyFool: What the heck is ICE ? I trying to login via newly installed Gnome (on kubuntu)
[08:52] <fredl> Seveas - I know the original stories if that's what you mean.
[08:52] <scenestar> parlais anglais kthnx
[08:52] <Seveas> fredl, yeah
[08:52] <fredl> I dunno if there ever was a REAL BOFH :)
[08:52] <veronique> hello
[08:52] <scenestar> hi
[08:52] <fredl> coz that'd be bad.
[08:52] <scenestar> can i help you?
[08:52] <Seveas> kinda
[08:52] <fredl> but funny as shit :)
[08:52] <pagux> Xauthority
[08:52] <pagux> Xauthority
[08:52] <paolo> bonjour a va veronique ?
[08:52] <jenda> veronique: Avec quoi as tu besoin d'aide?
[08:52] <Seveas> paolo, we speak english in here
[08:52] <scenestar> guess not
[08:53] <Seveas> !tell pagux about xhangs
[08:53] <paolo> ok
[08:53] <pagux> HappyFool: there is no ~/.ICEauthority file
[08:53] <fredl> "oh you need extra disk space then? *clickety click* rm -rf ~luser, well you just have 8Mb added to your uhh quota
[08:53] <jenda> Seveas: I was gonna ask what she needed and see if I could help her in PMs
[08:53] <Seveas> pagux, try ~/.Xauthority and /tmp/*
[08:53] <HappyFool> pagux: apologies. i guessed wrong
[08:54] <ntldr> Seveas: export TERM=vt100 <--- is that a command?
[08:55] <Seveas> ntldr, yeah
[08:55] <pagux> HappyFool: is there any way I can start a gnome session whithout logging out of my current session
[08:55] <Seveas> you might need to set a different vga mode when booting though
[08:55] <Seveas> pagux, gdmflexiserver
[08:55] <HappyFool> pagux: tried applications -> system tools -> new login? (or listen to seveas ;)
[08:56] <ntldr> eww
[08:56] <pagux> HappyFool: yeah nothing happens
[08:56] <ntldr> now i got it black/white
[08:56] <ntldr> :)
[08:56] <korhalf> anyone got some good advertisement layouts.
[08:56] <korhalf> mine sux0rz
[08:56] <Seveas> ntldr lol, different vga parameter it is then :)
[08:56] <korhalf> just like, templates
[08:56] <Seveas> korhalf, -ETOPIC
[08:57] <korhalf> well someone recommended inkscape, cuz i was asking earlier whats a good ad designing program for linux
[08:57] <korhalf> but it doesnt even support a color palette
[08:57] <u|qos> how to manage the bandwidth generally in ubuntu?
[08:57] <pagux> ok guys i will be back (after login)
[08:57] <korhalf> i have to use the dropper
[08:57] <HappyFool> pagux: you can put your .xsession-errors up on the pastebin for us to look at: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org
[08:58] <pagux> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/5712
[08:58] <Elsan> Should I just rerip my entire CD collection to Ogg Vorbis or convert it from MP3?
[08:58] <korhalf> convert from mp3.
[08:58] <korhalf> probably faster.
[08:58] <Seveas> conversion will lose qualoty
[08:58] <Seveas> quality even
[08:58] <Seveas> but why not just keep it as mp3?
[08:58] <korhalf> it isnt -that- noticeable.
[08:58] <Kuyaedz> use sound converter, available in Add Applications
[08:59] <scenestar> anyways
[08:59] <scenestar> does anyone know a nice package for gnome
[08:59] <scenestar> that can monitor my cpu temp?
[09:00] <Mazoku> scenestar ls-sensors+gkrellm?
[09:00] <korhalf> ew gkrellm
[09:00] <scenestar> thank you
[09:00] <korhalf> you sure there isnt something he can add to the panel?
[09:01] <pagux> nothing happed :-(
[09:01] <scenestar> meh
[09:01] <scenestar> all im worried about
[09:01] <scenestar> is my machine overheating
[09:01] <scenestar> because that would suck
[09:01] <rosen> !checkgmail
[09:01] <ubotflu> rosen: Did you get hit by a windmill?
[09:01] <Mazoku> korhalf yea he can use hardware sensors monitor but i don't like
[09:01] <rosen> ubotflu I would kick your arse if you were real !
[09:01] <ubotflu> Bugger all, i dunno, rosen
[09:02] <rosen> yeah well you'll learn !
[09:02] <scenestar> uhuh
[09:02] <scenestar> and in reall life i would bully you and steal your lunch money
[09:02] <scenestar> but since we are on teh intarweb
[09:02] <scenestar> well just have to live with it
[09:02] <scenestar> now play nice kthnx
[09:02] <lucasvo> what means: E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room
[09:02] <lucasvo> I get this error when I update my packages lists in apt
[09:03] <jenda> lucasvo: How much RAM do you have?
[09:03] <lucasvo> jenda: 512MB
[09:03] <viller> hi
[09:03] <jenda> lucasvo: OK, I don't know :)
[09:03] <pagux> i have two opened seesion how do i kill one of them ?
[09:03] <Seveas> lucasvo, how much swap? Put your sources.list on the pastebin
[09:03] <sethk> lucasvo, add some temporary swap
[09:03] <viller> all the crappy tutorials on the internet are teaching how to install apps, but how to remove them if I didn't install them through synaptic?
[09:04] <pepperpot> Is ubuntu's gaim working for anyone here? Is it just my install that's borked?
[09:04] <lucasvo> Seveas: 500MB
[09:04] <korhalf> viller, learn how to use apt-get from the terminal
[09:04] <pagux> HappyFool: I tried again nothing happened
[09:04] <Seveas> lucasvo, then it's probably your sources.list :)
[09:04] <scenestar> pepperpot: its you
[09:04] <viller> korhalf: from where? and does it work with apps i installed without apt-get?
[09:04] <HappyFool> pagux: sorry, missed that URL
[09:04] <korhalf> viller, synaptic is just a frontend for apt-get
[09:04] <HappyFool> pagux: just a sec while i read it
[09:04] <lucasvo> http://pastebin.com/462706 < sources.list
[09:04] <korhalf> viller, sudo apt-get remove program
[09:04] <viller> korhalf: i can't install ALL the apps through synaptic or apt-get
[09:04] <pepperpot> scenestar, thanks. You're using the one from the breezy apt source?
[09:04] <pagux> pl pl pl some one help me in logging into gnome
[09:04] <rosen> is there no guides how to install planeshift on an ubuntubox ?
[09:05] <korhalf> viller, yes you can..
[09:05] <korhalf> viller, all that are available in your sources' repository that is
[09:05] <viller> korhalf: i said ALL, i meant all the apps that are possible to install on Ubuntu
[09:05] <korhalf> viller, "all" is a lot of apps.
[09:05] <korhalf> viller, and i bet you won't use 90 percent of them
[09:05] <viller> korhalf :D
[09:05] <Dido-> Anyone knows where should I add this lines to enable the pc in my network use my internet connection and if it needs any editing because this is tested on slack only? http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/5714
[09:06] <viller> korhalf: i won't
[09:06] <HappyFool> pagux: hmm
[09:06] <viller> korhalf: there's just one app i installed with make and now i don't know how to remove it
[09:06] <korhalf> with make..
[09:06] <viller> how to remove an app i have installed with make
[09:06] <Seveas> Dido-, the ip_forward in /etc/sysctl.conf in the right format
[09:06] <korhalf> well if that app used autotools, go to the dir of the source and do "make uninstall"
[09:06] <Seveas> the others in a separate initscript
[09:06] <korhalf> viller, never compile things, that's a last resort
[09:06] <korhalf> viller, use gentoo if you're going to compile
[09:07] <HappyFool> pagux: i have those too but my X is OK
[09:07] <HappyFool> pagux: standby. i'm going to logout and restart X
[09:07] <Dido-> Seveas, so what I need is just to add this and it
[09:07] <squequo> hi!!!!
[09:07] <viller> korhalf: i don't even know what's autotools
[09:07] <Dido-> Seveas, so what I need is just to add this and it's ready?
[09:07] <FireCracker> Hi guys, im looking for a vmware type program to try out BSD, on my linux system? Any suggestions?
[09:07] <korhalf> viller, if you don't, then don't compile
[09:07] <Dido-> Seveas, doesn't need any edit
[09:07] <LadyNikon> hey
[09:07] <viller> korhalf: but i had to compile to use this app!
[09:07] <korhalf> viller, if you must, go and delete the idrectory where the binary and all that is, or go where the sources are(where configure and make is) then use make uninstall
[09:07] <korhalf> viller, what app is it?
[09:08] <Seveas> Dido-, yeah
[09:08] <LadyNikon> to add someone to wheel is it /etc/group?
[09:08] <korhalf> viller, ?
[09:08] <viller> korhalf: it's nut, not the nut dealing with that network stuff, it's the nut dealing with food or something
[09:08] <korhalf> viller, what...
[09:08] <FireCracker> Any siggestions?
[09:08] <ubuntu_noob> hi all
[09:09] <korhalf> nut - The core system of the nut - Network UPS Tools
[09:09] <korhalf> ?
[09:09] <viller> korhalf: nvm it's not important
[09:09] <korhalf> viller, if it's not important, don't ask.
[09:09] <viller> korhalf make uninstall didn't help
[09:09] <HappyFool> pagux: i get all those ICE errors on login too
[09:09] <Seveas> HappyFool, get a new fridge then :)
[09:09] <Dido-> Seveas, can u tell me how just to reload those files to avoid rebooting
[09:09] <HappyFool> :P
[09:10] <viller> korhalf what the app does is not important, how to install it is inportant
[09:10] <HappyFool> pagux: your problem is (i would guess) elsewhere
[09:10] <korhalf> viller, i need to know what app it is first.
[09:10] <korhalf> viller, in order to help you.
[09:10] <Seveas> Dido-, make it executable and execute it
[09:10] <ubuntu_noob> i'm trying to install libstdc++.so.5, anyone know what command i gotta use so apt will do it right?
[09:10] <SirGir> Is there any neat app for "recording" desktop?
[09:10] <pagux> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/5715
[09:10] <korhalf> SirGir, you mean video capturing?
[09:10] <viller> korhalf: http://directory.fsf.org/nut.html
[09:10] <korhalf> SirGir, im looking for one myself :) msg me if you find one
[09:10] <SirGir> korhalf, Yes
[09:10] <SirGir> ok
[09:10] <Rokker_Stu> i still cant play my music
[09:10] <Seveas> !libstdc++.so.5
[09:10] <ubotflu> hmm... libstdc++.so.5 is you can get the missing libstdc++.so.5 file by installing the 'libstdc++5' package.
[09:11] <HappyFool> pagux: looks similar to mine
[09:11] <pagux> HappyFool: i made a new user i and tried again but same errors
[09:11] <Rokker_Stu> well dont bother but, how do i while ive started up ubuntu live, copy what ive done so far?
[09:11] <Mazoku> ubuntu_noob sudo apt-get install libstdc++5
[09:11] <chasmarang> how can I find out where a certain IP address is by the numbers right?
[09:11] <HymnToLife> Rokker_Stu > what's the problem ?
[09:11] <pagux> Does this means on kubuutu one cant run GNOME ??
[09:11] <HappyFool> pagux: please describe what happens when you try to login
[09:12] <HappyFool> pagux: it should work
[09:12] <korhalf> chasmarang, you can whois the ip
[09:12] <pagux> nothing zero zilth ....all i can see is my mouse cursor
[09:12] <korhalf> viller, i have no clue
[09:12] <Rokker_Stu> I want to know how I copy my progress that ive done on Ubuntu live to my harddrive so i can continue later
[09:12] <viller> korhalf :D
[09:12] <pbransford> I want to set up an ad-hoc wireless network. I have a working ndiswrapper install, it connects fine to APs.
[09:12] <korhalf> viller, if you want to delete, delte the directory its in
[09:12] <pbransford> do i just need to change the mode from managed to something else
[09:12] <HappyFool> pagux: and kde used to work?
[09:13] <chasmarang> yeah whois doesn't know I ran a full check
[09:13] <pbransford> dhcp won't be needed
[09:13] <Phoul> HEllo
[09:13] <Phoul> Antone know how to run counterstrike on ubuntu?
[09:13] <Phoul> anyone*
[09:13] <korhalf> wine
[09:13] <korhalf> beware its slow
[09:13] <Phoul> I tried WINE
[09:13] <AnarKisTic> ok this should be a really easy question for anyone who knows anything about ubuntu. i cannot access hda1 without using root. how can I set it up so that I can access hda1 from any user account?
[09:13] <korhalf> some dude by the name of oliver is writing a d3d9 patch to make it faster.
[09:13] <pbransford> Phoul, play, or use the dedicated server
[09:13] <wrtechnology> spanish
[09:13] <korhalf> AnarKisTic, edit your /etc/fstab
[09:13] <pagux> HappyFool: always and now too
[09:13] <korhalf> AnarKisTic, add your standard user in the group thats allowed access to that partition
[09:13] <chasmarang> is there a way to tell what city state or country by the numbers
[09:14] <Phoul> play
[09:14] <korhalf> chasmarang, no, do a whois lookup
[09:14] <korhalf> chasmarang, whois ip
[09:14] <chasmarang> whois doesn't know
[09:14] <AnarKisTic> korhalf: I have already done that, makes no difference.
[09:14] <pbransford> chasmarang, not really. they could be anything. But you can usually tell there ISP if you have a good list
[09:14] <korhalf> AnarKisTic, what do you mean makes no difference?
[09:15] <Phoul> Like how do i run steam and stuff for ubuntu
[09:15] <chasmarang> I can ping and trace route but that's it no lookups
[09:15] <pagux> what the heck is this ice stuff ;-) ?
[09:15] <korhalf> Phoul, wine!
[09:15] <HappyFool> pagux: can you run     dpkg -l ubuntu-desktop|tail -1    in a terminal and tell me what it says ? (should be only 1 line)
[09:15] <pbransford> Phoul, wine, or pay for cedega
[09:15] <UziMonkey> anyone know if the Ruby in Ubuntu is the actual 1.8.3 release, or is it still a beta version?  The date --version gives is wrong.
[09:15] <flodine> guys what happen to gnome-look site
[09:15] <korhalf> dont pay for cedega
[09:15] <pbransford> Phoul, cedega would be the best bet. at least for now.
[09:15] <korhalf> compile it yourself, they have automated scripts for that
[09:15] <bozel> can anybody tell me how to install the java ".bin"?
[09:15] <AnarKisTic> korhalf: the main group for my standard user is set to root. and it still says I do not have permission to access hda1
[09:15] <korhalf> bozel, why not just get it with apt-get?
[09:15] <chasmarang> pbransford:  what do you mean good list
[09:15] <bozel> it s not java 5
[09:15] <bozel> i need java 5
[09:15] <korhalf> bozel, you can chmod a+x it and then ./java-xx-xx.bin
[09:16] <Seveas> !tell bozel about javadeb
[09:16] <pbransford> chasmarang, it involves probing websites for DNS->IP maps and such
[09:16] <Seveas> korhalf, eeek
[09:16] <korhalf> Seveas, ?
[09:16] <korhalf> okay, chomd +x it.
[09:16] <Seveas> korhalf, never do that directly, it installs crap all over the place
[09:16] <pbransford> chasmarang, like if i know these 30 websites get there internet access through company X, i can look at their IPs and figure out what IP space X uses.
[09:16] <Seveas> rather use make-jpkg to turn it into a deb
[09:16] <korhalf> never heard of that
[09:16] <Phoul> cedega aient in the repo
[09:17] <pbransford> Then I can look up company X, do a little bit of deduction from the websites, etc. and figure out where they are
[09:17] <pbransford> Phoul, cedega is pay software!
[09:17] <pbransford> Phoul, you cant distribute it
[09:17] <Phoul> how much
[09:17] <pagux> dpkg -l ubuntu-desktop|tail -1
[09:17] <Phoul> and where
[09:17] <pagux> ii  ubuntu-desktop 0.80           The Ubuntu desktop system
[09:17] <pbransford> hold on
[09:17] <korhalf> you can download cedega source for free
[09:17] <korhalf> quit being idiots, dont pay for that crap
[09:17] <SirGir> korhalf, http://gnomefiles.org/app.php?soft_id=311
[09:17] <pbransford> korhalf, minus lots of important stuff!
[09:17] <pagux> :Happyfool i  ubuntu-desktop 0.80           The Ubuntu desktop system
[09:17] <korhalf> SirGir, thanks man ill check it out
[09:17] <pbransford> Phoul, ignore korhalf about downloading cedega source
[09:17] <bozel> no
[09:17] <SirGir> korhalf, np ;)
[09:17] <korhalf> you know that wine works fine
[09:17] <SirGir> Me too
[09:17] <korhalf> i can run cs on wine perfectly
[09:17] <pagux> HappyFool: i  ubuntu-desktop 0.80           The Ubuntu desktop system
[09:17] <HappyFool> pagux: that means it probably installed OK
[09:17] <bozel> i want to know, how to extract bin to deb
[09:18] <bozel> i forgot the pages name
[09:18] <bozel> where it stands
[09:18] <HappyFool> pagux: i'm running out of ideas
[09:18] <pbransford> So if i set iwconfig wlan0 mode ad-hoc
[09:18] <thundr> Phoul, $5 /month, but like korhalf says, you can install it from source (though it is very difficult)
[09:18] <pbransford> and then manually set IPs and iwconfig essid them, i can easily talk between to radio cards right?
[09:18] <hippola> Need help with nForce2 audio drivers! Any gurus here who can?
[09:18] <pbransford> thundr, he left :/
[09:18] <thundr> ...oh.
[09:18] <pbransford> lol
[09:19] <hippola> oh, darn
[09:19] <korhalf> thundr, there are automated scripts to aid in the process
[09:19] <korhalf> if you're a nub, use one of the scripts on linux-gamers.net
[09:19] <pagux> HappyFool: what 2 do now ?
[09:19] <pbransford> theres also a nifty invention called p2p :P (being sarcastic)
[09:19] <korhalf> and yes it lacks some features, but theres no such thing as a free lunch
[09:19] <flodine> guys what happen to gnome-look site is it gone
[09:19] <hippola> script for nforce2 audio?
[09:19] <thundr> korhalf, I tried those back on warty, what a mess. I'll try it out later this week, maybe you can help me set it up.
[09:19] <pbransford> flodine, nobody likes to look at lawn-gnomes anymroe :(
[09:19] <HappyFool> pagux: have you tried the mailing list or ubuntuforums.org ?
[09:20] <pbransford> well, thanks for the help guys.
[09:20] <korhalf> thundr, don't even bother, most games work with wine just normally
[09:20] <royjan> hoLa
[09:20] <chasmarang> pbransford: http://www.nwtools.com  comes up with ziltch
[09:20] <thrice`> anyboyd have a solution for streaming video in firefox NOT using mplayer ?
[09:20] <korhalf> thundr, cedega is just wine with some extra hacks, its nothing to be paying money for
[09:20] <royjan> algunas nias por alli
[09:20] <korhalf> thrice`, you can stream it with a player like xine or osmething..whats wrong with mplayer anyway?
[09:20] <thundr> korhalf, maybe you can help me with wine as well, then :)
[09:20] <pbransford> chasmarang, er, you would need to do it all yourself. Talk to people even. Not something quick n easy
[09:20] <korhalf> thundr, no problem :)
[09:20] <hardybm> Hi !
[09:20] <thrice`> korhalf: it's compiled with poor deps
[09:21] <korhalf> thrice`, you compiled mplayer?
[09:21] <thrice`> korhalf: but I can't get it to open an embedded stream in firefox
[09:21] <thrice`> totem that is
[09:21] <korhalf> thrice`, i think all you really need is mplayer and the w32codecs, you can add the marillat reps in your sources list
[09:21] <korhalf> thrice`, i dont use totem, cant help ya sorry
[09:21] <thrice`> or totem-xine
[09:21] <thrice`> i wish there was a better integration then mplayerplug-in
[09:22] <thundr> I use totem-xine, and that works (except in firefox, but I probably have it configured wrong)
[09:22] <chasmarang> http://www.nwtools.com is an IP lookup and it doesnt find any records on 63.210.234.69
[09:22] <korhalf> chasmarang, you know that you can use your linux machine and forget about those sites
[09:22] <Rokker_Stu> How do I make a backup of what ive done on my Ubuntu Live cd on my harddrive?
[09:22] <korhalf> just type host ip, and it should find it
[09:22] <korhalf> chasmarang, and if you cant find that ip, chances are the host is down or has a dynamic ip or something.
[09:22] <pbransford> chasmarang, "ping www.somewhere.com" does a nifty job of giving you their IP address
[09:22] <korhalf> host does an even better job.
[09:23] <thrice`> nobody has a better solution to streaming vid in firefox?
[09:23] <korhalf> thrice`, it works for me man, i dont know whats wrong with mplayer
[09:23] <pbransford> vid + browser = evil
[09:23] <pbransford> never should have happened
[09:23] <korhalf> its probably cuz you compiled it.
[09:23] <hardybm> I'm using Ubuntu 5.10 "Breezy Badger". Yesterday I have removed Arabic, Indic, Korean font pakages (I only need spanish). But now when I try to use apt-get to install other packages I get the message You might want to run `apt-get -f install' to correct these which tries to install the mention packages. How to can avoid this ? I don't need such font pakages
[09:23] <chasmarang> k
[09:23] <Rokker_Stu> Man, doesnt anyone know how to install ur copy of Ubuntu live, while ur running it on your harddrive?!
[09:23] <korhalf> im telling you, everything works except for some of those new wmv files, which give me processoutput errors and garbled view.
[09:23] <korhalf> Rokker_Stu, install the real ubuntu.
[09:24] <korhalf> Rokker_Stu, i believe everything you do in Live is done in virtual memory
[09:24] <pagux> HappyFool: I am logged into gnome
[09:24] <HappyFool> pagux: well done. what was wrong?
[09:24] <korhalf> hardybm, dependancy issues, you should probably just leave it alone, though you CAN force it, i wouldnt advise it
[09:24] <Rokker_Stu> korhalf, ive done like 4 hrs hrs configurating it.... well well, can i install the real ubuntu on my second harddrive or is it automatic to do it on your first harddrive?
[09:24] <pagux> HappyFool: it took half an hour to logg in
[09:25] <HappyFool> pagux: ah
[09:25] <korhalf> Rokker_Stu, heres what you do
[09:25] <korhalf> format and install ubuntu 5.10
[09:25] <thrice`> no, i was using the repos mplayer
[09:25] <thrice`> but I can't stand mplayerplug-in
[09:25] <thrice`> the reason I was looking for another method
[09:25] <korhalf> Rokker_Stu, use the other hdd as storage or put windows on it.
[09:25] <hardybm> korhalf: How can I force it ? (Something such as ignore pakges list I hope...)
[09:25] <korhalf> hardybm, you can purge im guessing
[09:26] <Rokker_Stu> korhalf, ive got windows on my first harddrive, but i aint got any os on the other, the slave
[09:26] <korhalf> hardybm, sudo apt-get --purge remove package
[09:26] <korhalf> Rokker_Stu, then format the slave, and install ubuntu 5.10 the actual one, not the live version or whatever y9ou're trying to do
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[09:26] <darker-ghost> what is my nick here?
[09:26] <darker-ghost> ok
[09:26] <korhalf> live is for testing and messing around, it isnt a real OS to be installed
[09:26] <HappyFool> pagux: i'm afraid i don't know what the problem is. i can only suggest again the mailing list or ubuntuforums
[09:26] <name> i did .sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/hda1 /mnt/qwe. , cant access it says permission denied what to do ?
[09:26] <darker-ghost> i have a problem
[09:26] <darker-ghost> with the root password
[09:26] <Rokker_Stu> korhalf, does the installer do that automaticly?
[09:27] <korhalf> Rokker_Stu, no, you have to know what you're doing
[09:27] <korhalf> Rokker_Stu, by default the isntaller tries to erase everything
[09:27] <korhalf> Rokker_Stu, if you're master is hda, im guessing your slave is hdb
[09:27] <_jason> darker-ghost, what would that problem be?
[09:27] <RQ> hey
[09:27] <darker-ghost> i tried edit the file "xorg.conf"
[09:27] <korhalf> Rokker_Stu, check what the installer will do before writing any changes, make sure it's installing to /dev/hdb and doesnt try to use /dev/hda as swap or something stupid.
[09:27] <RQ> anyone dealing with bad view in Dapper?
[09:27] <thrice`> darker-ghost: sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[09:28] <_jason> darker-ghost, yes? try not to use enter as punctuation, your responses will be hard to follow otherwise
[09:28] <korhalf> if you guys are having display issues, and have an ATI or NVIDIA card, i recommend EasyUbuntu installer
[09:28] <Rokker_Stu> korhalf, ill just get a old harddrive and install it on that, or maybe buy a new 250gb for 90
[09:28] <korhalf> it helped me, now i have 3d accel on my ati radeon chip
[09:28] <korhalf> Rokker_Stu, do whatever you want, as long as you know what changes you're making to the partition tables
 darker-ghost: sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[09:28] <Mazoku> korhalf and you can use fullscreen opengl programms without freez?
[09:28] <hardybm> korhalf: dpkg -l package. Shows me pn status (Purge, Not )
[09:29] <{alejandro}> uh, I am having a few probs with sound
[09:29] <Elsan> Is there any way to know how much space an installed packge from Synaptic takes. It seems my home folder only takes 27/60 on my hard drvie and I only have 9 GB left...
[09:29] <HappyFool> !tell name about windowsdrives
[09:29] <Kuyaedz> someone tell me gui editing command comporable to gedit using KDE?
[09:29] <RQ> kate
[09:29] <Seveas> kate
[09:29] <korhalf> Kuyaedz, knote?
[09:29] <korhalf> oh sorry
[09:29] <RQ> or kwrite
[09:29] <darker-ghost> this code line give me level administrator?
[09:29] <korhalf> RQ, thats what i meant
[09:29] <_jason> ubotflu, tell darker-ghost about sudo
[09:29] <HappyFool> Elsan: the installed size is listed in the package properties
[09:30] <vpd> hi, i'm trying to send mail from command-line, i've installed mailx to have "mail" command, and it seems that it doesn't send e-mails, do i need some kind of smtp server working on the machine or something different to make it works?
[09:30] <HappyFool> Elsan: right click the package and choose 'Properties'
[09:30] <korhalf> vpd, i have a feeling mailx is for local mail sending.
[09:31] <Elsan> HappyFool: Is there any way to list them by size? I really need to do some cleaning. At least it takes less space than Windows...
[09:31] <vpd> is there some tool that work "globally"?
[09:31] <korhalf> vpd, i recommend Elmo
[09:31] <HappyFool> Elsan: perhaps using dpkg
[09:31] <korhalf> it's what i use
[09:31] <{alejandro}> I can't get any of the sound drivers to work
[09:31] <vpd> thx, i'll check that
[09:31] <{alejandro}> alsa  kind of works
[09:31] <{alejandro}> it gives me a second of sound than stops
[09:31] <{alejandro}> but everything else doesn't work
[09:32] <{alejandro}> I have been using XMMS to test
[09:32] <Elsan> HappyFool: Does it install apps in /usr ?
[09:32] <HappyFool> Elsan: apps can have files all over the place
[09:32] <HappyFool> Elsan: though typically stuff will be in /usr
[09:32] <{alejandro}> some in the home dir
[09:33] <HappyFool> Elsan: dpkg doesn't appear to listed installed size (odd)
[09:33] <Elsan> What would be the most accurate to check the total of all my apps?
[09:33] <bulio> does apt-get update && apt-get upgrade update the kernel too?
[09:34] <HappyFool> Elsan: ah-ha -- aptitude can list according to installsize
[09:34] <jenda> bulio: yes
[09:34] <indo> I got some lines which I need to be executed every time when Ubtuntu starts, where should I add those lines?
[09:34] <{alejandro}> anyone here know how to troublehsoot sound?
[09:34] <korhalf> indo, gnomerc?
[09:34] <{alejandro}> darrrgh this is frustrating
[09:35] <Elsan> HappyFool: what is the exact command please?
[09:35] <korhalf> ah wait, there is no gnome rc
[09:35] <bulio> does apt-get update && apt-get upgrade update the kernel too?
[09:35] <{alejandro}> upgrade changes package sources
[09:35] <HappyFool> Elsan: err. trying to figure it out
[09:35] <{alejandro}> I think
[09:35] <{alejandro}> wait, that's reverse
[09:35] <indo> korhalf, yea... i just tried
[09:35] <HappyFool> bulio: i think the latest kernel update requires a dist-upgrade
[09:36] <{alejandro}> and you shouldn't do that right off the bat
[09:36] <{alejandro}> I tried that and it fucked some things up
[09:36] <korhalf> what, dist-upgrade?
[09:36] <ElitePete> can anyone tell me how to close a frozen window?
[09:36] <{alejandro}> xkill
[09:36] <korhalf> ElitePete, xkill
[09:36] <korhalf> dammit
[09:36] <Moe|Joe> hey people
[09:36] <{alejandro}> and I still need help with my sound woes
[09:36] <RQ> so
[09:37] <ElitePete> ty
[09:37] <Moe|Joe> how do i get ubuntu to load on my IBM Thinkpad 600x
[09:37] <RQ> how about my broken view issues?
[09:37] <Moe|Joe> after i log in....nothing happens
[09:37] <RQ> anyone but me having them on Dapper?
[09:37] <paolo> to the next
[09:37] <paolo> thanks of all
[09:37] <{alejandro}> I stopped using dapper because it fucked up my 3d
[09:37] <korhalf> RQ, Dapper is extremely unstable for a reason.
[09:37] <RQ> Moe|Joe, what time does it display on login prompt?
[09:37] <RQ> korhalf, i know ;)
[09:37] <RQ> i'm not saying "linux sucks" :)
[09:38] <RQ> i'm asking for a solution or sth ;)
[09:38] <Moe|Joe> why u need to know the time?
[09:38] <grogoreo> hi
[09:38] <korhalf> RQ, well, you can't expect people herre to support dapper
[09:38] <{alejandro}> not until march or so, anyway
[09:38] <RQ> Moe|Joe, if i remember correctly, there are/were some issues with gnome disliking bad times (befor Unix era, or sth)
[09:38] <Elsan> HappyFool: Thanks. Space is becoming critical now. My 60GB ipod(my backup solution) is nearly full and my hard drive is slowly getting full...
[09:38] <RQ> (time means DATE and time)
[09:39] <HappyFool> Elsan: standby ..
[09:39] <RQ> korhalf, well if we have any dapper users here, why not? ;)
[09:39] <{alejandro}> haha
[09:39] <{alejandro}> please guys
[09:39] <{alejandro}> anyone know stuff about sound
[09:39] <{alejandro}> because I could use a hand in troubleshooting
[09:39] <korhalf> Elsan, dude, how much pr0n are you actually downloading?
[09:39] <bulio> should I upgrade warty to it's latest kernel?
[09:39] <Moe|Joe> whts a nice commandline text editor?
[09:39] <bulio> I'm doing apt-get dist-upgrade
[09:39] <_null> Moe|Joe, vim
[09:40] <_jason> Moe|Joe, vim
[09:40] <{alejandro}> upgrade to breezy
[09:40] <thrice`> bulio: you should upgrade warty period
[09:40] <korhalf> {alejandro}, did you try restarting alsa?
[09:40] <indo> I got some lines about networking which I need to be executed every time when Ubtuntu starts, where should I add those lines?
[09:40] <gverig> {alejandro}: try to ask a question or describe your problem
[09:40] <bulio> Breezy gives me problems
[09:40] <raphael> Elsan: check out 'dpigs' from the debian-goodies package
[09:40] <korhalf> i wonder if apt-get dist-upgrade will fux0r the system.
[09:40] <{alejandro}> ok, well, alsa only works for a second
[09:40] <bulio> Upgrading the kernel now
[09:40] <korhalf> i wanna try it, even though im at breezy already, i dont think itll do anything
[09:40] <{alejandro}> and then stops making noise
[09:40] <{alejandro}> how do I go about fixing this
[09:40] <Elsan> korhalf: I don't have a whole lot :p I don't download any at all. I jsut got ots of games I try out with Cedega
[09:40] <RQ> Moe|Joe, or nano
[09:41] <lewix> hi
[09:41] <bulio> ok
[09:41] <bulio> so I upgraded software
[09:41] <RQ> Moe|Joe, you'll probably like it more, if you're a newbie
[09:41] <bulio> and now kernel
[09:41] <lewix> do you know a way to be able to write in his windows partition ?
[09:41] <RQ> korhalf, why would it?
[09:41] <{alejandro}> like if I use xmms with just the alsa driver
[09:41] <{alejandro}> i get a second of sound
[09:41] <{alejandro}> and it stopp
[09:41] <RQ> breezy is stable enough, and dist-upgrades don't break it
[09:41] <{alejandro}> stops
[09:41] <RQ> la Digis
[09:41] <{alejandro}> nothing else works
[09:42] <bulio> I burned 5 Breezy cds
[09:42] <{alejandro}> (oss etc)
[09:42] <Moe|Joe> RQ: im kinda a newbie
[09:42] <bulio> all debootstrap errors
[09:42] <korhalf> wow
[09:42] <RQ> Moe|Joe, apt-get install nano
[09:42] <bulio> 5 different isos, 3 different machines, 3 different burners on each machine
[09:42] <gverig> Anybody is using Ubuntu with KDE? How is it? Can you remove all the Gnome apps from the KDE menus?
[09:42] <korhalf> didnt you realize it's not working after the second cd?
[09:42] <lewix> arf
[09:42] <bulio> ok
[09:42] <RQ> Moe|Joe, nano is more like "edit" in MS-DOS ;)))
[09:42] <bulio> kernel is done
[09:42] <Digis> RQ hello
[09:42] <Elsan> raphael: I'm not sure I understand...
[09:42] <RQ> unlike vim
[09:42] <bulio> now do I reboot or no?
[09:42] <Moe|Joe> i need tht ones already installed on ubuntu
[09:42] <korhalf> bulio, yes
[09:43] <korhalf> bulio, only time you have to reboot is if you update the kernel i believe
[09:43] <bulio> k
[09:43] <korhalf> no other reason elsewhise
[09:43] <korhalf> elsewhise..wtf
[09:43] <ardchoille> biab
[09:43] <RQ> Moe|Joe, try na<TAB>
[09:43] <raphael> Elsan: from the package description: "dpigs - Show which installed packages occupy the most space"
[09:43] <korhalf> gverig, you can use kubuntu..
[09:44] <HappyFool> Elsan: got a solution? i am greatly struggling to figure out aptitude search patterns
[09:44] <gverig> korhalf: Is this like a branch distro or is this just an apt package?
[09:44] <benplaut> _jason: well, i figured out how to do it with plain VNC, so i'm happy :)
[09:44] <omoios> i just passed from 5.04 to 5.10 ... i need to fix repositories for synaptic, is the same way with 5.04?
[09:44] <indo> HymnToLife, i've done it ;) some 5-6 need to be executed on the ubuntu and xp needs the same dns's as ubuntu's congiurated and it works ;)
[09:44] <_jason> benplaut, oh I see, are you just using the default menu application in ubuntu?
[09:44] <korhalf> gverig, its just ubuntu but with kde as the default WM instead of gnome
[09:44] <indo> some 5-6 lines*
[09:44] <{alejandro}> omoios, ues
[09:44] <{alejandro}> yes
[09:45] <Elsan> HappyFool: I,ll just clean. Don't push yourself too much.
[09:45] <Elsan> HappyFool: If not, I can ask on the forums.
[09:45] <Elsan> HappyFool: Thank you!
[09:45] <vbgunz> Does anyone know how to print to a searchable PDF type file? I am currently trying to print a document to a PDF *but* it is not searchable... Any help is appreciated!
[09:45] <gverig> korhalf: Right, but I can install kubuntu-desktop from my distro. Or is this a branch of ubuntu that I would need to install separately?
[09:45] <HappyFool> Elsan: almost there...
[09:45] <thrice`> so noone with good streaming experience not using mplayer in firefox (pref. with apple / wmv's)
[09:45] <Quizzer> is the firewall enabled in a default ubuntu installation
[09:45] <{alejandro}> gverig: do kubuntu-desktop
[09:46] <benplaut> _jason: yeah, and a bit of messing with the router
[09:46] <navarone> quizzer..yes
[09:46] <benplaut> no clue why freenx isn't working
[09:46] <Quizzer> ok ..
[09:46] <gverig> {alejandro}: Will I get all the gnome applications in KDE menus with those weird default icons
[09:46] <Quizzer> so how would go about allowing 113 to work ..
[09:46] <_jason> benplaut, ah ok, cool.  freenx is nice if you need to go over dial-up, it compresses the info better
[09:46] <{alejandro}> gverig: unfortunately, yes
[09:46] <Quizzer> for the ident server or is thier a tutorial in setting up an ident server in ubuntu
[09:46] <{alejandro}> but I ain't picky
[09:47] <{alejandro}> so I use xfce
[09:47] <ElitePete> hi i am attempting to install opera for ubuntu but i get this error.
[09:47] <benplaut> _jason: i'm still working on it, but it just keeps timing out, on three connections i've tried
[09:47] <ElitePete> Errors were encountered while processing:
[09:47] <ElitePete>  opera
[09:47] <navarone> quizzer...install firestarter and it should allow you to configure firewall in gui
[09:47] <ElitePete> dpkg: error processing opera (--install):
[09:47] <ElitePete>  dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
[09:47] <Elsan> HappyFool: I'm checking out "dpigs" form the debian-goodies package.
[09:47] <Quizzer> ok .. firestarter k.. will google that
[09:47] <{alejandro}> gverig: if you have the space, install it anyway
[09:47] <navarone> quizzer is in repo
[09:47] <Quizzer> oh ok ..
[09:47] <Quizzer> as you can tell i am a newbie when it comes to this
[09:47] <defiance`> ElitePete, please, paste those things into pastebin or something, and give us the url instead of spamming it out in the channel. :P
[09:48] <navarone> quizzer...use synaptic to search for it...you may have to enable repo it is in if the search shows nada
[09:48] <defiance`> ElitePete, quite difficult to really understand what you want help with if the lines are mixed with others talking.
[09:48] <gverig> {alejandro}: I am not picky. I just want a light weight easy to use WM. I wanted to try something other then KDE. Tried enlightenment but can't get it set up properly and the forum is not overly helpful. Seems like it is half-dead. Pity, it was a nice WM, promising
[09:48] <defiance`> :-)
[09:48] <ElitePete> i want help installing opera
[09:48] <{alejandro}> gverig: do you have universe and multiverse installed?
[09:48] <HappyFool> Elsan: aptitude search '~i' -O '~installsize' -F '%p %I'|head
[09:48] <korhalf> gverig, use fluxbox
[09:48] <pulver> hey! is firewall automatically activated in a normal ubuntu install and how do u turn it off?
[09:48] <gverig> {alejandro}: multiverse
[09:48] <Quizzer> how do you search the repo .. i cant find anywhere to type
[09:48] <HappyFool> Elsan: aptitude search '~i' -O '~installsize' -F '%p %I'|less     for a complete list
[09:48] <diesel> ElitePete: what dependencies do you lack?
[09:49] <{alejandro}> gverig: install xfce-desktop
[09:49] <ElitePete> diesel it doesn't say
[09:49] <mwe> can someone confirm if kde-look.org is down?
[09:49] <gverig> korhalf: Maybe I misconfigured it but it was soooo slooooow
[09:49] <ElitePete> my bad. it does.
[09:49] <{alejandro}> gverig: and anything that has to do with xfce
[09:49] <gverig> {alejandro}: k, I will try
[09:49] <ElitePete> Package xlib6g is not installed.
[09:49] <ElitePete>   Package xlibs is not installed
[09:49] <korhalf> gverig, fluxbox...slow!?
[09:49] <Elsan> HappyFool: THANK YOU! gonna try it out!
[09:49] <korhalf> gverig, i was running a 64mb ram 300 mhz machine before at home, and it was running fast.
[09:49] <diesel> ElitePete: sudo apt-get install xlibs, then try
[09:49] <{alejandro}> gverig: that compat with gnome and kde and freedesktop
[09:49] <diesel> ElitePete: installing opera
[09:49] <Elsan> HappyFool: It's better than dpigs! Thanks!
[09:49] <SpLaTt> is this the support channel?????
[09:49] <gverig> korhalf: As I said, I just installed it from package manager...
[09:50] <{alejandro}> gverig: I use it and it is fine
[09:50] <Elsan> spLaTt: Yes, it has this use from time to time. ;)
[09:50] <gverig> korhalf: lost sound and it was barely moving
[09:50] <gverig> {alejandro}: thanks, I will try it
[09:50] <vbgunz> anybody know how to print a search friendly postscript file?
[09:50] <HappyFool> Elsan: cool. aptitude looks even more useful than i thought
[09:50] <korhalf> fvwm is good
[09:50] <{alejandro}> in 1995
[09:50] <korhalf> i dont know, im happy with gnome
[09:51] <ElitePete> got it thanks diesel,
[09:51] <korhalf> and i have such a good machine i dont even care about it being bloated
[09:51] <{alejandro}> gnome doesn't work for me
[09:51] <{alejandro}> its weird
[09:51] <diesel> mwe: yep...down it is
[09:51] <ElitePete> do i need to do anything to make it the default broser for my comptuer diesel, ?
[09:51] <bulio> can I upgrade from warty to hoary?
[09:51] <mwe> diesel: thanks. damn.
[09:51] <{alejandro}> yeah
[09:51] <Moe|Joe> anyone got a ndiswrapper guide?
[09:51] <{alejandro}> then do to breezy
[09:51] <diesel> bulio: sure
[09:52] <bulio> breezy gave me problems
[09:52] <bulio> debootstrap
[09:52] <{alejandro}> ah
[09:52] <navarone> quizzer...I think edit menu in synaptic...
[09:52] <{alejandro}> smeg
[09:52] <bulio> 5 CDs wasted
[09:52] <korhalf> bulio, lol
[09:52] <{alejandro}> smeg is your freind
[09:52] <bulio> 5.04 gave me some too
[09:52] <diesel> bulio: what was the problem
[09:52] <{alejandro}> apt-get install smeg for menu editing
[09:52] <bulio> I tried apt-get breezy
[09:52] <korhalf> apt-get breezy?
[09:52] <bulio> screwed up x-server
[09:52] <korhalf> wow
[09:52] <{alejandro}> apt-get dist-upgrade breezy
[09:52] <ptitom> anybody to help a newbie installing a built-in sound card ?
[09:52] <bulio> apt-get upgrade
[09:52] <gverig> {alejandro}: it seems that it is replaced with "xfce4" package
[09:52] <{alejandro}> ah
[09:52] <{alejandro}> that's right
[09:52] <{alejandro}> same thing
[09:52] <bulio> how can I upgrade to 5.04
[09:52] <CarstenP> my compact flash usb card reader only mounts read-only. how can i change that?
[09:52] <gverig> {alejandro}: Or I do not have multiverse :)
[09:53] <bulio> what goes in my conf?
[09:53] <{alejandro}> gverig: that's the right one
[09:53] <diesel> bulio: update your sources.list file to point to breezy, then apt-get dist-upgrade
[09:53] <gverig> {alejandro}: OK, getting it now.
[09:53] <bulio> I don't want breezy
[09:53] <SirGir> korhalf, apt-get install istanbul
[09:53] <bulio> 5.04 is breezy?
[09:53] <SirGir> =)
[09:53] <{alejandro}> no, that's hoary
[09:53] <ElitePete> 5.04 is hoary
[09:53] <korhalf> SirGir, lol
[09:53] <Quizzer> ok ..i installed firestarter
[09:53] <Quizzer> but where do i find the icon to run it
[09:53] <{alejandro}> upgrade to hoary then breezy
[09:53] <gverig> {alejandro}: it better be something nice ;)
[09:53] <korhalf> Quizzer, why?
[09:53] <korhalf> Quizzer, use iptables
[09:53] <{alejandro}> it might be easier
[09:53] <bulio> what goes in conf file?
[09:53] <_jason> Quizzer, system tools
[09:53] <Quizzer> to edit my firewall settings
[09:54] <navarone> Quizzer...system/administration/Synaptic
[09:54] <Quizzer> got it
[09:54] <SirKillalot> how do I set the text of a textview in gtk?
[09:54] <Quizzer> thanks
[09:54] <korhalf> the first thing a n00b does on a linux machine, is try to install a firewall
[09:54] <korhalf> it's secure enough as it is.
[09:54] <navarone> Quizzer...firestarter is in Application/System Tools
[09:54] <{alejandro}> gverig: try it out. if it sucks, remove it
[09:54] <korhalf> what are you guys worried about?
[09:54] <{alejandro}> gverig: it just works for me
[09:54] <purplefeltangel> what does middle-clicking on a page in firefox do?
[09:55] <korhalf> purplefeltangel, paste?
[09:55] <antics> try it
[09:55] <gverig> {alejandro}: :) it was an attempt to make a joke
[09:55] <_jason> purplefeltangel, depends on the context i believe
[09:55] <navarone> korhalf...firestarter is just frontend to configure iptables
[09:55] <gverig> bbiab
[09:55] <antics> it pastes in a textbox, and may open a link in a new tab, depending how you have things configured
[09:55] <_jason> purplefeltangel, should be simpole enough to find out though :)
[09:55] <korhalf> navarone, is it really?
[09:55] <purplefeltangel> _jason: when i do it it loads some random page
[09:55] <sethk> purplefeltangel, makes the machine explode and leaves radioactive waste
[09:55] <bulio> I can go from warty to hoary no probs?
[09:55] <{alejandro}> heh
[09:55] <purplefeltangel> _jason: so i want to know what's making it load that page
[09:55] <navarone> yes korhalf
[09:55] <jenda> purplefeltangel: It can open a link in a new tab or do a paste
[09:55] <djk_> bulio: read your query..
[09:56] <_jason> purplefeltangel, look at 'middlemouse.contentLoadURL' in about:config... I think it pastes a url and goes to it by default
[09:56] <jenda> purplefeltangel: You're middle-clicking a link and that is prolly opened as a new tab...
[09:56] <VincentMX> hi
[09:56] <purplefeltangel> jenda: im not middle clicking a link and its not opening in a new tab
[09:56] <jenda> purplefeltangel: OK, then check about::config
[09:56] <DjLinX> anyone know how to fix the slow upload speed of gaim?
[09:56] <purplefeltangel> _jason: but i havent copied any URLs; it went to some site with tech support jokes
[09:56] <jenda> purplefeltangel: In firefox - type that in the address bar
[09:57] <SirKillalot> how do I set the text of a textview object in GTK with C?
[09:57] <korhalf> DjLinX, the problem is, gaim doesn't support UPNP
[09:57] <korhalf> you're going to get slow speeds no matter what
[09:57] <St-> hello
[09:57] <_jason> purplefeltangel, copy a url and click on the tab, see if it goes to the url you copied
[09:57] <purplefeltangel> ok
[09:57] <DjLinX> korhalf is there a msn program that i can use that will increase my speeds?
[09:57] <korhalf> DjLinX, if you mean msn
[09:57] <korhalf> ah you do
[09:57] <VincentMX> how do i connect to a samba server in my local network?
[09:57] <purplefeltangel> _jason: it doesnt do anything
[09:57] <St-> xchat 2.6 has a bug ? menu commands users...
[09:57] <antics> there's only one colon. about:config
[09:57] <DjLinX> korhalf yes
[09:57] <korhalf> DjLinX, no
[09:57] <bulio> can someone give me a link to a sources.config file I can edit?
[09:58] <_jason> purplefeltangel, click on the actual tab handle up top
[09:58] <DjLinX> korhalf alright thx
[09:58] <korhalf> DjLinX, if you want to send files, itd be easier to start up apache,a nd move the files u want to send to /var/www
[09:58] <korhalf> itd go faster for the both of you
[09:58] <DjLinX> korhalf :D alright
[09:58] <purplefeltangel> _jason but that wasn't what i was clicking on before. and it also does nothing.
[09:58] <korhalf> and you can get them, if they're on windows, to ftp the programs to you or something, so start up proftpd too
[09:58] <antics> purplefeltangel: ot
[09:58] <indo> I got some lines about networking which I need to be executed every time when Ubtuntu loads, where should I add those lines?
[09:58] <DjLinX> korhalf i have experiance on apache thru windows
[09:58] <edinoe>  hello with all. I am beginner and I made several sites and I do not have still to find the solution for my card (is  a creative sound blaster platinium.)... can you help me?
[09:58] <antics> purplefeltangel: it's "about:config"
[09:58] <antics> one colon
[09:58] <korhalf> DjLinX, there ya go
[09:58] <_jason> purplefeltangel, don;t know then, haven't experienced that
[09:58] <purplefeltangel> antics: yeah, i figured that.
[09:59] <purplefeltangel> weird
[09:59] <antics> that does nothing?
[09:59] <DjLinX> korhalf is xampp for linux 2?
[09:59] <theD3viL> Is that line okey to use? /dev/hdc        /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 user,noauto,utf8     0       0
[09:59] <purplefeltangel> about:config doesn't do nothing
[09:59] <purplefeltangel> the middle click thing does nothing
[09:59] <antics> then you're not using firefox
[09:59] <purplefeltangel> its no big deal; i was ust curious
[09:59] <korhalf> DjLinX, xampp? never heard of it
[09:59] <purplefeltangel> uh, yeah i am using firefox. about:config is working; it's the middle click that wasn't
[09:59] <purplefeltangel> i'm not an idiot
[09:59] <antics> okay, you just express yourself poorly. noted.
[09:59] <ElitePete> can anyone tell me how to add the opera shortcut to the internet folder, i can't find it
[09:59] <kakei> www.apachefriends.org i think that's xampp
[10:00] <DjLinX> korhalf it sets up apache and acaphes ftp for u
[10:00] <DjLinX> korhalf ya kakei is right
[10:00] <korhalf> well thats no fun
[10:00] <kakei> but is easier sudo apt-get install apache2 sudo apt-get install [what u need]  :)
[10:00] <DjLinX> kakei is it for linux?
[10:00] <_jason> purplefeltangel, change that setting and see if it goes away if you wish, middlemouse.contentLoadURL FALSE
[10:00] <purplefeltangel> antics: the guy said "copy a url and click on the tab." i said, "it doesn't do anything." what's expressing myself poorly in that? maybe you just don't know how to read.
[10:00] <kakei> DjLinX
[10:00] <kakei> yes
[10:00] <kakei> just go there
[10:00] <kakei> download xampp
[10:00] <antics> purplefeltangel: maybe so
[10:00] <kakei> and read the HowTo
[10:00] <purplefeltangel> _jason: nah i dont really care i was just curious why it was doing that
[10:00] <St-> xchat 2.6 has a bug ? menu commands users...
[10:00] <DjLinX> kakei i already set it up on windows thats y i was asking about linux :D
[10:01] <navarone> bulio http://pastebin.com/462781
[10:01] <kakei> install it on linux is easier
[10:01] <dooglus> purplefeltangel: you said it didn't no nothing
[10:01] <kakei> beliave me
[10:01] <edinoe> is it possible to configure creative sound blaster platinium?
[10:01] <dooglus> purplefeltangel: you didn't say what it did no
[10:01] <purplefeltangel> dooglus, what?
[10:01] <korhalf> wow that helps set up a LAMP pretty quickly
[10:01] <korhalf> ive been doing it the hard way
[10:02] <dooglus> purplefeltangel: replace 'no' with 'do' in my previous 2 sentences and they might make sense.
[10:02] <dooglus> "21:59 < purplefeltangel> about:config doesn't do nothing"
[10:02] <vbgunz> anyone know why I cannot search a postscript file I just printed from off the web... it really sucks if I cannot search the document! Anybody have any ideas how to print a search friendly postscript file?
[10:02] <Quizzer> how do i add a new rule to open 113 in firestarter
[10:02] <purplefeltangel> dooglus: oh o_O maybe i typed about:config in the wrong window
[10:02] <theD3viL> Is that line okey to use? /dev/hdc        /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 user,noauto,utf8     0       0
[10:02] <antics> mhmm
[10:03] <dooglus> purplefeltangel: type control-l then type about:config and hit return
[10:03] <purplefeltangel> dooglus: i did that! jesus. about:config is working.
[10:03] <ElitePete> can anyone tell me how to set opera as my default browser, and add a link for it in my internet area.
[10:03] <purplefeltangel> apparently the first time i typed it it was in this window by mistake.
[10:04] <dooglus> purplefeltangel: so what's the problem?
[10:04] <gverig> Hmm... I just installed xfce and I lost sound. What sound server does it use by default and where can I set that?
[10:04] <purplefeltangel> dooglus: there was none.
[10:04] <DjLinX> argh its in tar
[10:04] <ompaul> purplefeltangel, chill, take a step back and redefine what is actually still an issue, if nothing then brilliant, if there is something tell us :-)
[10:04] <dooglus> purplefeltangel: glad to hear it.  next?
[10:04] <korhalf> DjLinX, this is why id recommend just installing apache yourself
[10:04] <korhalf> DjLinX, sudo apt-get install apache2 proftpd
[10:04] <korhalf> done.
[10:05] <Knowerrors> Anybody know a good video program that will join wmv files and produce an mpeg from them?
[10:05] <korhalf> Knowerrors, you can cat wmv files together
[10:05] <DjLinX> korhalf is it easy to kill the services when not needed?
[10:05] <korhalf> and i guess you can find a wmv to mpg converter.
[10:05] <korhalf> DjLinX, of course :)
[10:05] <jenda> Knowerrors: Did you try kino?
[10:05] <korhalf> /etc/init.d/service stop
[10:05] <navarone> quizzer try adding this as as policy/rule iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --dport 22 -j ACCEPT <-- change the number 22 to reflect port you want open. You can delete this policy if you want to close port again
[10:05] <Knowerrors> jenda: kino wouldn't open the wmv files
[10:05] <DjLinX> korhalf kill apache2?
[10:06] <Knowerrors> korhalf: what is "cat"?
[10:06] <Subhuman> !cat
[10:06] <ubotflu> Subhuman: Wish i knew
[10:06] <_jason> !man cat
[10:06] <ubotflu> _jason: Are you on ritalin?
[10:06] <_jason> aww
[10:06] <ompaul> DjLinX, you would do >>/etc/init.d/apache2 stop<< killing is so crude
[10:06] <Subhuman> Knowerrors, cat is a program
[10:06] <korhalf> DjLinX, you can do /etc/init.d/apache2 stop or apache2ctl stop
[10:06] <korhalf> as root
[10:06] <mrkoje> !bot snack
[10:06] <ubotflu> thanks mrkoje :)
[10:06] <ompaul> !cat
[10:06] <Subhuman> Knowerrors, which will output a files contents onto the screen
[10:06] <ompaul> !info cat
[10:07] <DjLinX> alright
[10:07] <korhalf> well, you can cat files together like so
[10:07] <Subhuman> so cat file will output all of the text in "file"
[10:07] <korhalf> cat file1.wmv file2.wmv > newfile.wmv
[10:07] <theblue> Hi all.
[10:07] <korhalf> i think appending will work too
[10:07] <korhalf> so if you want to add a new wmv to the original
[10:07] <DjLinX> korhalf i want the standalone or inetd?
[10:07] <edinoe> bye and thank you !!!!
[10:07] <korhalf> cat filenew.wmv >> original.wmv
[10:08] <Knowerrors> Subhuman: don't see cat in the repositories
[10:08] <ompaul> !cat
[10:08] <ubotflu> cat is, like, totally, concatenate files and print on the standard output
[10:08] <korhalf> ^^ wow
[10:08] <korhalf> thats a bash quote right there.
[10:08] <ElitePete> can anyone tell me how to set opera as my default browser, and add a link for it in my internet area.
[10:08] <indo> lol trappist what a host
[10:08] <Dido-win-clone> ;] 
[10:08] <theblue> Can I change the tty1-6 style in Breezy to how it was in Hoary?
[10:08] <theblue> And if so, how?
[10:08] <Subhuman> Knowerrors, you will have cat, itz part of the core system
[10:08] <korhalf> hopefully.
[10:08] <Subhuman> Knowerrors, every linux machine will have cat.
[10:08] <korhalf> /bin/cat
[10:08] <Knowerrors> ok
[10:08] <jbroome> i have cat, and it pees on my counter
[10:09] <Subhuman> i eat cat.
[10:09] <Subhuman> :P
[10:09] <bulio> going from warty to hoary
 will it give me trouble like when I tried warty to breey?
[10:09] <ompaul> jbroome, far too much info
[10:09] <korhalf> oh you too Subhuman ?
[10:09] <theblue> !vim
[10:09] <ubotflu> theblue: Did you get hit by a windmill?
[10:09] <bulio> *breezy
[10:09] <theblue> !breezy
[10:09] <ubotflu> The guide to upgrading to breezy (5.10) is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpgrade
[10:09] <theblue> !consolemode
[10:09] <ubotflu> theblue: Are you smoking crack?
[10:09] <Subhuman> korhalf, for sure .
[10:09] <Knowerrors> Subhuman: will cat work for more than two files, like 21 of em?
[10:09] <Subhuman> yes.
[10:09] <korhalf> Knowerrors, of course.
[10:10] <korhalf> i'd recommend doing a script
[10:10] <Subhuman> it will jus output one after another
[10:10] <DjLinX> korhalf i get and error do u mind if i pm u and paste it?
[10:10] <sethk> Knowerrors, that is what cat is for
[10:10] <sethk> Knowerrors, cat means concatenate
[10:10] <zdziczek> Can someone help my understand why my parallel printer Brother HL-1450 won't work?  I have a broken /dev/lp0 device (blacked out in cli), so is that the problem?
[10:10] <theD3viL> what i must install for ati drivers? xorg-ati-drivers and anything else ?
[10:10] <sethk> Knowerrors, and you have to have more than one thing in order to concatenate
[10:10] <bulio> I want a guide to go to 5.04 not 5.1
[10:10] <korhalf> put them all in a dir like files and do: for x in `cat files` do; cat $x >> newfile.wmv; done
[10:10] <bulio> !hoary
[10:10] <ubotflu> hmm... hoary is a word that means grey or ancient.  Shakespeare made a joke about it in his play Romeo and Juliet
[10:11] <djk_> bulio: can you read?
[10:11] <Knowerrors> korhalf: thx, will try
[10:12] <korhalf> as long as there are no other files but .wmv files in there, that line should work
[10:12] <bulio> djk: he gave me a link for breezy
[10:12] <jenda> zdziczek: This could help: http://www.linuxprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=Brother-HL-1450
[10:12] <djk_> bulio: he == ubotu?  read the link!
[10:12] <ompaul> bulio, please do this  >> /msg obotflu <keyword>  <<<
[10:13] <djk_> ompaul: if he wasn't such a troll, he'd already have the info...
[10:14] <korhalf> lol
[10:14] <Jared> i can't get WMA audio files from my mp3 to play
[10:14] <Jared> or m4p files to play
[10:14] <korhalf> Jared, use mplayer
[10:15] <korhalf> mplayer plays everything.
[10:15] <bulio> ok
[10:15] <Jared> where do i get it?
[10:15] <bulio> I configured sources.list
[10:15] <_jason> ubotflu, tell Jared about mplayer
[10:15] <bulio> doing apt-get dist-upgrade now
[10:15] <korhalf> !tell Jared about mplayer
[10:15] <LjL> ... ubotflu?
[10:15] <ElitePete> can anyone tell me how to set opera as my default browser, and add a link for it in my internet area.
[10:15] <jenda> bulio: it's "/msg ubotflu"
[10:15] <_jason> LjL, yeah ubotu is sick
[10:16] <ompaul> !ubotflu
[10:16] <ubotflu> ompaul: I haven't a clue
[10:16] <_jason> heh poor bot doesn't even know his own name
[10:16] <ompaul> !!
[10:16] <ubotflu> ! is, like, what you add before a sentence to talk to me
[10:16] <benplaut> !sick
[10:16] <ubotflu> benplaut: I haven't a clue
[10:16] <benplaut> !flu
[10:16] <ubotflu> benplaut: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
[10:16] <cdubya> ElitePete, System > Preferred Applications
[10:16] <benplaut> he doesn't even know he's sick
[10:16] <LjL> _jason: or *her* own name, as he/she presents him/herself as female when talking portuguese :)
[10:17] <navarone> its the fever
[10:17] <bulio> I tried clean install
[10:17] <bulio> got debootstrap error
[10:17] <benplaut> cafuego: why's the bot sick?
[10:17] <pestilence> so do you think it is possible to run hoary's Xorg in breezy?
[10:17] <_jason> LjL, true :)
[10:17] <Jared> my synaptic can't find it
[10:17] <bulio> will it work with apt-get dist-upgrade?
[10:17] <ompaul> pestilence, it would be best not to
[10:17] <bulio> I'm going from warty to hoary
[10:18] <pestilence> ompaul, reason?
[10:18] <bulio> not warty to breezy
[10:18] <LjL> benplaut: well would you not be if you had to answer some hundreds of basic linux questions every day?
[10:18] <ompaul> pestilence, xorg is not x11 and it has moved on
[10:18] <bulio> so can I do it?
[10:18] <benplaut> LjL: not if they gave me...
[10:18] <ompaul> bulio, you should be able to
[10:18] <benplaut> !botsnack
[10:18] <ubotflu> :)
[10:18] <pestilence> ompaul, i don't get it, both breezy and hoary use xorg, no?
[10:18] <ElitePete> cdubya, how do i set opera to that, just put /usr/bin/opera in there?
[10:18] <LjL> ;)
[10:18] <bulio> ok
[10:19] <bulio> updating from warty to hoary
[10:19] <ompaul> pestilence, I thought the change was after hoary hey I could be wrong :-)
[10:19] <Ng> how does one go about putting a package on hold?
[10:19] <pestilence> my problem is that the xorg that ships with breezy has a bug that doesn't let my crt out on my laptop work
[10:19] <bulio> needs 245 MB additional disk space
[10:19] <ElitePete> www.google.co
[10:19] <pestilence> c.f. http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=20240
[10:19] <bulio> hitting yes
[10:19] <darwin> how can i attrib a PID to a one command ?
[10:19] <LjL> darwin: i don't think you can
[10:19] <pestilence> ompaul, no, they both use xorg.
[10:19] <hyphenated> dark: ps -fp thepid
[10:19] <bulio> downloading now
[10:20] <bulio> will it update from X11 to Xorg?
[10:20] <zdziczek> darwin, doesnt the OS do that for you?
[10:20] <zdziczek> darwin, unless you hack something
[10:20] <jenda> bulio - not helpful. and the link tell you all you need
[10:20] <Jared> my synaptic can't find mplayer
[10:20] <bulio> It is updating now
[10:20] <bulio> from warty to hoary
[10:20] <zdziczek> Jared, gmplayer with extras
[10:20] <netmonk> Can anyone please, tell me what must I write in a script to have it automaticly make Ctrl+Alt+F7
[10:20] <djk_> jenda: see what i meant now?
[10:21] <bulio> I did apt-get dist-upgrade after editing my sources.list to download hoary
[10:21] <bulio> so I should be good, right?
[10:21] <korhalf> netmonk, make ctrl+alt+f7?
[10:21] <pestilence> i'm just curious if  anybody knows what kind of dependency hell i will get into if i try downgrading *just* xorg to the hoary version (keeping everything else breezy)
[10:21] <ElitePete> can anyone tell me how to get a link to opera in internet?
[10:21] <korhalf> Jared, you need to add it the marillat repository to your sources.list
[10:21] <bulio> when I tried going from warty to breezy
[10:21] <bulio> I had problems
[10:21] <LjL> netmonk: "chvt" might be what you're looking for
[10:21] <Jared> do you know the repository
[10:21] <korhalf> Jared, you can google it.
[10:21] <bulio> I'll need to reboot, right?
[10:21] <bulio> after it installs
[10:22] <Jared> never mind.....
[10:22] <jenda> bulio: Expectable - you should NEVER skip a version...
[10:22] <active-matrix> hi now i am in another computer, when i run sudo pppoeconf it shows looking for concetrator on eth1 it shows a red line it fills the line with 100% then it hangs there ?
[10:22] <_jason> Jared, the wiki link tells you exactly what to add
[10:22] <bulio> ok, well this will work then
[10:22] <netmonk> korhalf, LjL, before I updated to Breezy my laptop would come from suspend to ram just fine. now I have to pres Ctrl+Alt+F7 to get to gnome desktop
[10:22] <bulio> warty--->Hoary
[10:22] <bulio> in apt-get
[10:22] <cdubya> ElitePete, sorry, what is it your asking? how to set your default page to a particular site?
[10:22] <Jared> okay
[10:23] <LjL> netmonk: i see. well i'm sure the command you're asking for is chvt, but i'm not so sure it works very well with an X session
[10:23] <ompaul> pestilence, I would not like to think of what kind of hell it would be I would just move back and use backports of OOo that should keep it all pretty sane I think - unless you have mad requirements
[10:23] <bulio> do I need to uninstall portmap?
[10:23] <ElitePete> cdubya, i want to make it so all links open in opera, and i want to be able to open opera from a panel?
[10:23] <ElitePete> please help ;-9
[10:23] <NCLife>  im trying to install sun java to my system..
[10:23] <NCLife> but it says Make the downloaded file executable. At the command line, change to the directory where you downloaded the file, and type...
[10:23] <netmonk> thank LjL, i'll try to google chvt ;)
[10:23] <PokerFacePenguin> netmonk: try checking out http://www.jimprice.com/jim-asc.htm
[10:23] <bulio> do I need to uninstall or do anyhting?
[10:23] <NCLife> how can i make it executable?
[10:23] <Seveas> !tell NCLife about javadebs
[10:23] <bulio> or will it be taken care of
[10:23] <pestilence> ompaul, i'm just looking for the easiest solution...and i don't consider a complete reinstall to be the easiest at this point.
[10:24] <netmonk> thanks PokerFacePenguin
[10:24] <pestilence> although i am considering that.
[10:24] <ompaul> pestilence, I would, but that is just me
[10:24] <LjL> netmonk: just type "man chvt", no need to google it i think ;)
[10:24] <relativestate> heh...  kind of making me scared to go from debian woody -> breezy.
[10:24] <korhalf> pestilence, whats the problem with a fresh install
[10:24] <ompaul> pestilence, is it anythingmore than a desktop?
[10:24] <korhalf> ive learned to keep my home directory on a seperate partition
[10:24] <korhalf> because i switch systems a lot
[10:24] <netmonk> LjL, lol. ok
[10:24] <korhalf> i keep all my configs and everything
[10:25] <bulio> so I leave it, and I wont have problems going from warty to hoary?
[10:25] <cdubya> ElitePete, set the custom command in System > Preferred Applications > Web Browser to /usr/bin/opera  -  then right-click on your panel, select Add to Panel, then Custom Application Launcher.....in the command text field, type /usr/bin/opera ..... click on no icon and give it one if you want, then close
[10:25] <Seveas> !pppo
[10:25] <ubotflu> Seveas: Syntax error in line 1
[10:25] <Seveas> !pppoe
[10:25] <ubotflu> it has been said that pppoe is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ADSLPPPoE
[10:25] <bulio> so I leave it, and I wont have problems going from warty to hoary?
[10:26] <relativestate> (that box probably needs a reinstall anyway..  it's almost certainly been rooted by now :/)
[10:26] <Dido-win-clone> Seveas can i create live cd from my current installation?
[10:26] <ompaul> bulio, well there is a true thing, as long as you change back the debs
[10:26] <djk_> the pppoe wiki is great...oh yeah, if you don't have pppoeconf and thus can't configure your connection and go online just apt-get it.. interesting logic..
[10:26] <Seveas> Dido-win-clone, not easily
[10:27] <pestilence> korhalf, i don't know.  i guess nothing.  it's just a hassle to have to install everything again (the packages i have installed that are not in the default set)
[10:27] <ElitePete> ty cdubya
[10:27] <ElitePete> :-)
[10:27] <korhalf> like what though?
[10:27] <korhalf> not everything is needed
[10:27] <korhalf> a couple of themes and a few proggies
[10:27] <Dido-win-clone> Seveas hmm.. could i create just .iso from my current installation easily ;)
[10:27] <markl_> is it easy to use a USB bluetooth dongle w/ ubuntu?
[10:27] <vbgunz> cdubya: hey, still wish to thank you for ln command... it worked out sweet!
[10:27] <pestilence> ompaul, it's my laptop.  i have much more installed than the default installation, but nothing that can't be reinstalled.
[10:28] <cdubya> ElitePete, np.....
[10:28] <ompaul> korhalf, any chance you could put all your thoughts on one line, makes it easier to follow and reduces the s2n ratio
[10:28] <cdubya> hey vbgunz, np
[10:28] <NCLife> um Seveas,  "open a terminal, cd to the directory you downloaded them to" how can i open a terminal and what does cd means? o.O
[10:28] <cdubya> vbgunz, still bangin away, huh?
[10:28] <Seveas> NCLife, cd is a command
[10:28] <cafuego> !test
[10:28] <ubotflu> Stop poking me!
[10:28] <vbgunz> yeah... now my problem is printing a search friendly postscript file... It seems impossible...
[10:28] <ompaul> pestilence, I imagine the pain would be high, think about what you would need to pin ahh its just too much
[10:29] <pestilence> korhalf, you ever heard the expression "one size fits all"?  well that doesn't work in real life ;)
[10:29] <cdubya> vbgunz, howso?
[10:29] <slew> hi, how do i get thunderbird to be the client that opens when i click on an email addy? evolution keeps coming up, even though i have thunderbird as the default mail client.
[10:29] <NCLife> Seveas, ah ok.. and which of those package should i dl? there are 4 sun java packages
[10:29] <ompaul> cafuego, have a guinness (quick before Seveas swipes it :-))
[10:29] <vbgunz> cdubya I am trying to print this page: http://www.apcmag.com/apc/v3.nsf/print/AE8FD7D31465A68BCA256EF5001D16CC into a post script. It comes out great *but* it isn't searchable :(
[10:29] <pestilence> ompaul, i suppose.  i'm mainly wondering if program settings (e.g. evolution) will be messed up by a downgrade
[10:30] <Stormx2> Hi
[10:30] <cafuego> vbgunz: that's what PDF is for.
[10:30] <justelis> does ubuntu support ntfs mounting>?
[10:30] <greenpenguin13> anyone know how to solve this problem w/ nvidia-glx:
[10:30] <pestilence> justelis, yes.
[10:30] <Pygi> justelis: yes
[10:30] <greenpenguin13> (II) NVIDIA(0): Not using default mode "640x350" (vrefresh out of range)
[10:30] <cafuego> JuYes, but read-only.
[10:30] <vbgunz> cafuego: how in the world do I print it to PDF?
[10:30] <ElitePete> cdubya i had to move from firefox, i hate it.
[10:30] <justelis> live cd also?
[10:30] <greenpenguin13> in my /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[10:30] <Stormx2> Is there a .deb of gaim-vv?
[10:30] <Pygi> penguin: what's your xorg.conf?
[10:30] <greenpenguin13> pages of it
[10:30] <cafuego> vbgunz: ps2pdf
[10:30] <vbgunz> cafuego: should I try it with Open Office?
[10:31] <Pygi> penguin: can you say what it says under "EE" in xorg.0.log?
[10:31] <korhalf> the reason i type multiple lines is because i think of new ideas AFTER i press enter
[10:31] <greenpenguin13> sure...
[10:31] <korhalf> i cant help it
[10:31] <vbgunz> cafuego: thanks! will that make the PDF searchable?
[10:31] <ompaul> pestilence, well was there more than a point difference, if not at least hold the old archives (to today) in a different directory as a copy in case of problems you will be able to do grep for foo in it
[10:31] <greenpenguin13> default resolution is 1280x1024
[10:31] <justelis> pigy: live cd also support ntfs  mount?
[10:31] <greenpenguin13> looks like 800x600 at the moment
[10:31] <Stormx2> Ubotu still gone?
[10:32] <Stormx2> I hope he's feeling better for christmas
[10:32] <faiper> What is a command to configure xorg ?
[10:32] <cafuego> No, ubotu is fine. The router between ubotu and irc.freenode.net has been ddosed to death, though :-(
[10:32] <SoulPropagation> faiper: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[10:32] <pestilence> ompaul, yea.  i have backups.  it's just a hassle either way.  the ideal thing would be for the bug in Xorg to be resolved.  but i'm not holding my breath.
[10:32] <faiper> thanks
[10:32] <greenpenguin13> (EE) Failed to load module "GLcore" (module does not exist, 0)
[10:32] <justelis> pygi: live cd also support ntfs  mount?
[10:32] <ompaul> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[10:32] <SoulPropagation> anyone know why i can't install the IKXmms2 control for gDesklets?
[10:33] <greenpenguin13> this is on dapper btw
[10:33] <vbgunz> cafuego: ps2pdf sounds great but synaptic couldn't find it :(
[10:33] <pestilence> is there a "backports" for breezy?
[10:33] <pestilence> perhaps i could try a new version of xorg.
[10:33] <greenpenguin13> yep
[10:33] <ompaul> pestilence, I could be a smart alec and say you have the source, but I will not be that cruel I will only think it [DOH]  :-)
[10:34] <albinorhino> hi every one. i'm looking for some one whos willing to help me with an install problem.
[10:34] <cafuego> !find pstopdf
[10:34] <trappist> vbgunz: gs-common
[10:34] <greenpenguin13> sure
[10:34] <ElitePete> wow opera, is very nice :-)
[10:34] <ompaul> pestilence, is it a huge issue for you?
[10:34] <NCLife> seveas? :o which of the four packages should i dl?
[10:34] <greenpenguin13> whats up?
[10:34] <pestilence> ompaul, sure.  if it is hinging on my fixing it it will definitely never get fixed.
[10:34] <bulio> %64 done open office
[10:34] <pestilence> ompaul, well, it means i have to reboot into windows when i want to make a presentation.  and i very much like using dual heads.  so it's not mission-critical most of the time, but it would be nice....
[10:34] <albinorhino> is there a way to open a private chat?
[10:35] <vbgunz> trappist: thanks, I guess I already have it installed :)
[10:35] <greenpenguin13> stick it on public
[10:35] <markl_> ok i plugged in my USB bluetooth adapter and the kernel sees it (as does the ubuntu device manager).  now what?
[10:35] <markl_> which application(s) should i install?
[10:36] <greenpenguin13> (EE) Failed to load module "GLcore" (module does not exist, 0)
[10:36] <greenpenguin13> anyone?
[10:36] <ElitePete> quick! somone tell me a cool website.
[10:36] <bulio> do I need to disable X11 because hoary uses Xorg?
[10:36] <tkup> I'm trying to install mozilla-firefox using synaptic but I get this error http://rafb.net/paste/results/83LMNH78.html
[10:36] <pestilence> haha, there are 2 (two) backports for breezy?
[10:36] <markl_> ElitePete: cannabisnews.com
[10:36] <hyphenated> bulio: X11 is a specification, Xorg is an implementation of that spec
[10:36] <bulio> do I need to disable X11 because hoary uses Xorg?
[10:36] <greenpenguin13> were when i used breezy
[10:36] <ElitePete> thx markl
[10:36] <bulio> whoops
[10:36] <ompaul> pestilence, well it will not be fixed in breezy unless it is a sec issue as breezy made it to release - however you could track the live CD on dapper but then the questions arrise can you afford to, if not at least try the live cd for dapper and see if it still exists
[10:36] <bulio> sorry
[10:36] <pestilence> ElitePete, http://www.ice.com
[10:36] <zandaa> did anyone here set up a mailserver according to Flurdy's tutorial?
[10:36] <albinorhino> ok, after installing it i wont boot and i get an errormessage like "cant mount device, filesystem unknown"
[10:36] <HymnToLife> ElitePete > www.getalife.com
[10:36] <Dido-win-clone> Could i create .iso from my current installation easily ?;)
[10:36] <mario_> sorry for dc
[10:37] <mario_> penguin: you installed openGL?
[10:37] <ElitePete> anyone here use opera and can help me with a small problem
[10:37] <mario_> elitepete: shoot out
[10:37] <bulio> 8 minutes left until its done downloading....
[10:37] <greenpenguin13> havent installed anything extra
[10:37] <Jared> when i looked for the package in synaptic it said i couldn't get it
[10:37] <HymnToLife> tkup > that's because you ALREADY have FF installed
[10:37] <ElitePete> how do i make it so when i start a download it doesn't stop when i move away from the page? it seems to cancel downloads if i hit back or something
[10:37] <Jared> i added the repository
[10:37] <greenpenguin13> worked fine until the kernel today
[10:37] <mario_> green: install OpenGL packages
[10:38] <greenpenguin13> 2.6.15-8-386
[10:38] <greenpenguin13> will do
[10:38] <sethk> greenpenguin13, reconfiguring X caused your problem
[10:38] <tkup> HymnToLife, thanks for the ip
[10:38] <tkup> HymnToLife, tip
[10:39] <Jared> this error showed up W: GPG error: http://honk.sigxcpu.org mplayer/ Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY BDCE3370C88CEDF6
[10:39] <Jared> W: GPG error: ftp://ftp.nerim.net sarge Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907
[10:39] <Jared> W: GPG error: ftp://ftp.nerim.net sid Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907
[10:39] <Jared> krap .....sorry
[10:39] <cafuego> !paste
[10:39] <ubotflu> methinks paste is please use http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/ or #flood to paste large amounts of text
[10:39] <kakei> hey guys i have a big trouble i can't navigate i neither ping look kakei@kakei:~$ ping google.com
[10:39] <kakei> ping: unknown host google.com
[10:39] <Jared> forgot
[10:39] <greenpenguin13> i havent reconfigured x
[10:39] <bulio> after apt-get finishes getting hoary, what do I do?
[10:39] <mario_> Jared: NO FLOOD ;)
[10:39] <HymnToLife> !tell Jared about pastebin
[10:39] <Jared> sorry forgot
[10:39] <ElitePete> mario_ do you know the answer to my question?
[10:39] <mario_> !pastebin
[10:39] <ubotflu> I heard pastebin is a site where you can post large texts and screenshots so you don't flood the channel. You can find it at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org
[10:39] <ElitePete> and i'm new to linux can somone tell me what a backport is?
[10:39] <zandaa> did anyone here set up a mailserver according to Flurdy's tutorial?
[10:39] <albinorhino> did anyone install ubuntu on the first partition of a second hard drive?
[10:39] <pestilence> kakei, do you have an ip address?
[10:40] <mario_> ElitePete, just a moment pls
[10:40] <ElitePete> k.
[10:40] <kakei> pestilence yes
[10:40] <pestilence> kakei, can you ping the gateway?
[10:40] <Dido-> albinorhino, yeh me
[10:40] <pestilence> kakei, can you ping the nameservers?
[10:40] <HymnToLife> !backports
[10:40] <ubotflu> extra, extra, read all about it, backports is Add "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy-backports main universe multiverse restricted" (without the ") to /etc/apt/sources.list.  More info @ https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBackports
[10:40] <tkup> HymnToLife, if I wanted libjavaplugin installed properly from jre1.5.0_01, should I ln -s jre1.5.0_01/plugin/i386/ns7/libjavaplugin...?
[10:40] <oxez> When I try to apply the CK patch to the 2.6.14.3 kernel I get this: patching file include/linux/sysctl.h
[10:40] <oxez> Reversed (or previously applied) patch detected!  Assume -R? [n] . Is there anything wrong?
[10:40] <greenpenguin13> ive got lots of opengl libs installed: an particular package?
[10:40] <mwe> albinorhino: no, but that should be easy
[10:41] <HymnToLife> tkup > maybe :/ I don't know :p
[10:41] <kakei> i can't ping anywhere : pestilence
[10:41] <Pygi> penguin: the core one should be enough
[10:41] <Stormx2> Anyone got Gaim-VV working in ubuntu?
[10:41] <bulio> weird
[10:41] <bulio> keeps jumping from 4 to 8 mins
[10:41] <bulio> and so on
[10:41] <pestilence> kakei, you tried the gateway and the nameservers?
[10:41] <albinorhino> DIDO- Did u have any problems?
[10:41] <mwe> albinorhino: I did it a few years ago with slackware
[10:41] <defiance`> Stormx2, if you mean Gaim2 CVS then no..
[10:41] <defiance`> Stormx2, bitches about deps which can't be installed through apt.
[10:41] <Dido-> albinorhino, none
[10:41] <Stormx2> defiance`: Where would I find the gaim2 CVS?
[10:41] <ElitePete> Stormx2 what is gaim-vv, opposed to Gaim /
[10:41] <ElitePete> * ?
[10:41] <Stormx2> defiance`: its not in my repos
[10:42] <kakei> pestilence is a lil bit weird because i have internet on my client PC and i can Navigate how can i try the gateway and the nameservers?
[10:42] <Stormx2> defiance`: Not stupid >.<
[10:42] <albinorhino> man i'm stuck here
[10:42] <Stormx2> ElitePete: GAIM + Webcam
[10:42] <defiance`> Stormx2, it isn't. :P
[10:42] <ElitePete> ohh ok.
[10:42] <ElitePete> can anyone tell me what a 'backport' is ?
[10:42] <ptlo> is there a package for ubuntu (breezy) which includes the kernel debugger?
[10:42] <pestilence> kakei, route -n to find your gateway
[10:42] <albinorhino> DIDO- where did u install GRUB?
[10:42] <defiance`> Stormx2, anyway, check gaim's website, then go to CVS
[10:42] <Stormx2> defiance`: Oh. misread that as "Bitching about debs which can be installed through apt"
[10:42] <defiance`> lmao
[10:42] <pestilence> kakei, cat /etc/resolv.conf to find your nameservers
[10:43] <Dido-> albinorhino, don't know.. i guess same place as i don't have 1st hdd ;)
[10:43] <kakei> pestilence can i pm u to send the output of route -n?
[10:43] <defiance`> Stormx2, if you try and compile with audio/video support, it farks itself. P:
[10:43] <roughtrader> i'm having trouble getting apt-get to install mplayer on breezy
[10:43] <defiance`> :P
[10:43] <roughtrader> it seems to get stuck while downloading
[10:43] <roughtrader> any way around this?
[10:43] <Pygi> Pete, I can't reproduce the "error"
[10:43] <pestilence> kakei, i suppose....it's better to use pastebin
[10:43] <Pygi> have you changed any setting or anything?
[10:43] <pestilence> !pastebin
[10:43] <ubotflu> I guess pastebin is a site where you can post large texts and screenshots so you don't flood the channel. You can find it at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org
[10:43] <ompaul> ElitePete,  http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20051212    <<---- read that #
[10:43] <kakei> pestilence remember i cant navigate
[10:43] <ElitePete> thanks paul
[10:44] <pestilence> kakei, how are you connected here?
[10:44] <mwe> what the heck happened to ubotu?
[10:44] <bulio> ok, its done downloading hoary
[10:44] <bulio> what now?
[10:44] <kakei> pestilence i neither know hah!
[10:44] <pestilence> kakei, ping 201.243.40.1
[10:44] <insomnd> hi. what does the "validity" field of gpg keys mean? and why does my key say "unknown validity"?
[10:44] <zandaa> mwe, what do you mean?
[10:44] <tkup> pleas help! I have jre1.5.0_01 unpacked in a dir and putting a symbolic link of i386/ns7/libjavapluging_oji.so in /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins/ but the applet doesn't display
[10:44] <bulio> anyone?
[10:44] <mwe> zandaa: I mean why is he not around, and now this ubotflu is here instead
[10:44] <kakei> pestilence is pinging
[10:44] <pestilence> kakei, as in, it works?
[10:45] <zandaa> mwe, he was here just a sec ago
[10:45] <ElitePete> so backporting is making a new program work with an old operating system
[10:45] <Jared> how do i unpack tar.bz2 files?
[10:45] <kakei> pestilence yes but only seens to work with that IP
[10:45] <pestilence> kakei, try 72.14.203.99
[10:45] <tkup> Jared, tar -jxvf
[10:45] <kakei> pestilence is pinging
[10:45] <pestilence> kakei, then you have a nameserver problem.
[10:45] <bulio> its exytracting
[10:45] <mwe> zandaa: well he's been on and off lately
[10:45] <insomnd> Jared, or bzip2 -d <file>, then tar -xvf <file>
[10:45] <pestilence> kakei, cat /etc/resolv.conf
[10:45] <kakei> how can i solve it? pestilence
[10:46] <ompaul> bulio, can you (A) give people a chance to answer you (B) put all your thoughts on the one line reduces signal to noise ratio - the answer to your question is if you have run "apt-get dist-upgrade" then reboot
[10:46] <greenpenguin13> could someone tell me whether the server octopus8.net works for them?
[10:46] <pestilence> kakei, find out what your nameservers are supposed to be, and put them in /etc/resolv.conf
[10:46] <kakei> pestilence : that file doesnt exist
[10:46] <bulio> ok, thank
[10:46] <pestilence> kakei, there's your problem ;)
[10:46] <bulio> *thanks
[10:46] <bulio> sorry, I'm just nervous
[10:46] <ElitePete> Welcome to Octopus8.net!
[10:46] <ElitePete> works for me.
[10:47] <kakei> pestilence i have to make it ? or what
[10:47] <pestilence> kakei, yes.  how do you get your IP?  dhcp?
[10:47] <bulio> I wait until it finishes with the packages, then reboot, right?
[10:47] <kakei> pestilence yes
[10:48] <pestilence> kakei, then the dhcp server should have filled in /etc/resolv.conf
[10:48] <skierkegaard> what program can i use to rip a cd to mp3 format?  or convert .ogg to .mp3?
[10:48] <pestilence> skierkegaard, i like abcde
[10:48] <skierkegaard> is it default, or on synaptic?
[10:48] <greenpenguin13> thanks
[10:49] <pestilence> skierkegaard, in synaptic, for sure.  don't think in default set
[10:49] <Stormx2> skierkegaard: Sound Jucier
[10:49] <relativestate> skierkegaard: sound-juicer
[10:49] <skierkegaard> juicer goes to ogg
[10:49] <kakei> pestilence but no =(
[10:49] <skierkegaard> can that be changed?
[10:49] <jgrieves> hi any developers in here, having trouble with a Makefile
[10:49] <HymnToLife> skierkegaard > juicer stinks
[10:49] <Stormx2> skierkegaard: Check the wiki for RestrictedFormats
[10:49] <relativestate> skierkegaard: with a lot of work, yes.
[10:49] <jgrieves> I am trying ot set X CFLAGS and X_LIBS in configure.in
[10:49] <skierkegaard> ok, thanks all
[10:49] <HymnToLife> get abcde instead
[10:49] <Stormx2> skierkegaard: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats I think
[10:50] <ompaul> bulio, yes, go for a walk or something and come back in 20 minutes, if you have broad band
[10:50] <jgrieves> AC_PATH_XTRA is supposed to set both of those
[10:50] <quilon> I am automating a package build process and I end up with this error: "changelog-should-mention-nmu" I think it is got to do with the users who edited the changelog and the user who uploaded the package are not the same. I have googled and couldn't find the right answer on how to fix the problem.
[10:50] <rosen> is there some way to upgrade the portlist in firestarter so that it will recognize all ports being used ? .. I dont like those connections that I have no idea what is about ;)
[10:50] <jgrieves> but it only sets X_CLIBS
[10:50] <jgrieves> but it only sets X_LIBS
[10:50] <tkup> Re: please help! I have jre1.5.0_01 unpacked in a dir and putting a symbolic link of i386/ns7/libjavapluging_oji.so in /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins/ but the applet doesn't display
[10:50] <greenpenguin13> all core opengl libs installed
[10:50] <greenpenguin13> no change
[10:51] <bulio> how long does the unpacking take?
[10:51] <Pygi> penguin: restarted x?
[10:51] <greenpenguin13> yep
[10:52] <alvin> hi
[10:52] <alvin> can i ask a question?
[10:52] <greenpenguin13> sure
[10:52] <ElitePete> how do i make it so when i start a download it doesn't stop when i move away from the page? it seems to cancel downloads if i hit back or something
[10:52] <ElitePete> opera that is.
[10:52] <ompaul> bulio, you will see - differs machine to machine I can't remember, just sit back and enjoy it, we don't really need a commentary :-) back up your home directory if you want something to do
[10:52] <greenpenguin13> USE FIREFOX
[10:52] <alvin> i'm a newbie in this newos
[10:52] <greenpenguin13> :-p
[10:52] <ElitePete> firefox sucks.
[10:52] <alvin> Os i mean
[10:53] <greenpenguin13> someone wants to start a flame war
[10:53] <ompaul> !start a browser war
[10:53] <ubotflu> w3m is way better than  firefox !
[10:53] <alvin> i like to ask if ubuntu can be used as server
[10:53] <greenpenguin13> :D
[10:53] <ompaul> greenpenguin13, ElitePete stop it - the bot is right
[10:53] <greenpenguin13> yea
[10:53] <puppster> hi guys, i seem to have a serious problem... i screwed up my hosts file and now i can't "sudo" to change it and apparently my password is not the root password so recovery mode won't let me in
[10:53] <alvin> like dns , ftp or web server
[10:53] <occy> bawhahaha
[10:53] <occy> ok
[10:53] <greenpenguin13> eyah
[10:53] <occy> I just installed web dev plugin for firefox
[10:53] <ompaul> alvin, not only can it be but it is
[10:53] <greenpenguin13> install w/ synaptic
[10:54] <occy> and music died
[10:54] <occy> I've been working without it for 2 weeks now
[10:54] <alvin> in if this ubuntu is same as linux 9.0
[10:54] <bulio> ugh, its taking awhile
[10:54] <greenpenguin13> :p
[10:54] <occy> and no crash of tunes
[10:54] <pestilence> puppster, recovery mode doesn't require a password does it?
[10:54] <greenpenguin13> ive got web dev installed
[10:54] <occy> the second I install it back... it dies
[10:54] <nasso> puppster, the sudo password is the users own password
[10:54] <occy> greenpenguin13, you play mp3's?
[10:54] <greenpenguin13> yeah
[10:54] <alvin> i mean if all command in linux 9.0 cab\n be used in ubuntu
[10:54] <occy> greenpenguin13, with what?
[10:54] <ompaul> alvin, linux 9.0 means nothing
[10:54] <tkup> Did anyone get my question. I've asked it twice so far :/
[10:54] <greenpenguin13> rhythmbox not fussy
[10:55] <greenpenguin13> linux 9.0??
[10:55] <ElitePete> anyone here use opera and can answer a question?
[10:55] <alvin> so it mean that you can install named in ubuntu
[10:55] <puppster> pestilence, it seems to ask me to give root password for maintenance, or press ctrl+d to continue
[10:55] <nasso> recovery mode doesnt require password for logging in? :P
[10:55] <ompaul> alvin, some other frame of reference that could be mandrake suse slackware or any other distro
[10:55] <occy> greenpenguin13, I'm using RB myself... :/
[10:55] <puppster> pestilence, and it won't take my user's password
[10:55] <alvin> and the configuration is same
[10:55] <occy> *sigh*
[10:55] <puppster> pestilence, i guess maybe i have never set up a root pwd becuase i always just used sudo
[10:55] <pestilence> puppster, interesting.
[10:55] <greenpenguin13> tkup: use automatix (on ubuntuforums)
[10:55] <my-style> speak everyone german
[10:55] <ElitePete> anyone here use opera and can answer a question?
[10:55] <bulio> yes?
[10:55] <pestilence> puppster, the real "root password" is a un-guessable random password
[10:56] <puppster> but now i can't use sudo because when i try, e.g., sudo vim /etc/hosts, it tells me,, sudo: unable to lookup Foo by gethostbyname()
[10:56] <puppster> :(
[10:56] <gnomefreak> ElitePete,  go ahead and ask some of us have or do use opera
[10:56] <ompaul> ElitePete, you asked that less than a minute ago, you should wait 20 minutes before asking again
[10:56] <greenpenguin13> then why can i get root acces by appending single in grub?
[10:56] <ElitePete> why should i wait 20 minutes?
[10:56] <bulio> I own't lost things when I upgrade to hoar, will I?
[10:56] <pestilence> puppster, do as greenpenguin13 says
[10:56] <Pygi> !traffic
[10:56] <ubotflu> Pygi: Are you on ritalin?
[10:56] <puppster> ok trying
[10:56] <greenpenguin13> ive been a hoar :-p
[10:56] <Pygi> hehe ;)
[10:56] <bulio> lol
[10:57] <ElitePete> anyway, my problem is when i start a download and navigate away from the page i got it from, the download stops, i want it to continue like it would in firefox.
[10:57] <ompaul> ElitePete, because this is irc and that is the way things are done I will get you a url that explains it a bit better
[10:57] <ompaul> !tell ElitePete about ask
[10:57] <greenpenguin13> what did i tell him to do anyway?
[10:57] <pestilence> ElitePete, seems like you should be going to #opera
[10:57] <ElitePete> pestilence no one is in #opera
[10:57] <enos> whats the 'normal' way to switch between tvout and dualscreen? i have both working but have to reboot with tvout cord unplugged to get back to dualscreen :(
[10:57] <pestilence> ElitePete, guess you're out of luck then ;)
[10:57] <greenpenguin13> see? noone  uses opera
[10:58] <ElitePete> and i think waiting 20 minutes to ask a question in a chat room is not very neccessary.
[10:58] <SaveMeJEBUS> hey everyone do you know if you can get drivers for a dell 1300 Wireless card?
[10:58] <zdennis> greenpenguin13, i dont use opera
[10:58] <pestilence> SaveMeJEBUS, there is a list someplace.
[10:58] <Pygi> penguin: some people DO use Opera, believe it or not....so don't start flaming
[10:58] <MickMcMack> ElitePete, does it look like people are paid to answer your questions?
[10:58] <jdong> SaveMeJEBUS: is that the broadcom based one or the agere/orinoco?
[10:58] <greenpenguin13> lol
[10:58] <Pygi> !flame
[10:58] <ubotflu> Pygi: I haven't a clue
[10:58] <Pygi> hehe, again ;)
[10:58] <greenpenguin13> ive got internet explorer on linux that must be a crime :p
[10:59] <jdong> greenpenguin13: EULA violator :)
[10:59] <SaveMeJEBUS> so does someone know where the list of compatible drivers for a dell 1300 wireless lan card?
[10:59] <ElitePete> i didn't say anyone was payed to answer my questions i asked if anyone could help me out.
[10:59] <zdennis> i am getting nasty samba issues. If I have a share mounted from another machine, and say that machiens goes down for whatever reason. I cannot unmount the share
[10:59] <ElitePete> no need to be so anal.
[10:59] <pestilence> SaveMeJEBUS, http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/mediawiki/index.php/List
[10:59] <zdennis> I get "device is busy"
[10:59] <ClayG> where can i get a dictionary file from?
[10:59] <bulio> how long does package upgrading take in hoary?
[10:59] <Pygi> I didn't even knew IE can be on Linux, or that there is Linux version :/
[10:59] <zdennis> anyone have these issues before?
[10:59] <bulio> I gotta leave in 10 minutes
[10:59] <greenpenguin13> am i?
[10:59] <bulio> its been running for 15
[10:59] <pestilence> ClayG, try aspell?
[10:59] <sethk> zdennis, yes, if you can't talk to the machine where the files live, you can't umount
[10:59] <Jormundgand> Was there some problem with security.ubuntu.com earlier?
[10:59] <ClayG> do they have them in like one text file with all the words?
[10:59] <sethk> zdennis, but this isn't really a problem
[10:59] <pestilence> ClayG, oh. sorry.  not a dictionary.  doh!
[10:59] <ClayG> ouch
[10:59] <ClayG> I need one textfile, a dictionary file
[11:00] <greenpenguin13> #firefox is quiet
[11:00] <greenpenguin13> !flame
[11:00] <ubotflu> greenpenguin13: I haven't a clue
[11:00] <zdennis> sethk, it is because the machine is back up and i want to remount the share, but i can't do that either
[11:00] <sethk> ClayG, look at ispell and aspell
[11:00] <ompaul> ElitePete, read the message from ubotflu it will explain it to you why you should wait
[11:00] <ClayG> ok
[11:00] <sethk> zdennis, that I haven't seen.  I can remount when things come back up.
[11:00] <greenpenguin13> ugh i always get confused on irc :-p
[11:00] <Ng> ClayG: wbritish/wamerican contain wordfiles
[11:00] <greenpenguin13>  /make sense
[11:01] <greenpenguin13>  /simplify
[11:01] <zandaa> does anyone know if I can setup Wine on a 64-bit Ubuntu?
[11:01] <relativestate> make: *** No rule to make target `sense'.  Stop.
[11:01] <SaveMeJEBUS> hey for the dell wireless card's drivers, how do I go about adding a new network connection in ubuntu?
[11:01] <Ng> greenpenguin13: did you ask a question?
[11:01] <bimberi> zandaa: only in a 32bit chroot (afaik)
[11:01] <bimberi> !chroot
[11:01] <ubotflu> hmm... chroot is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebootstrapChroot and http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24575
[11:01] <greenpenguin13> yes
[11:02] <tkup> greenpenguin13, automatix doesn't work on hoary
[11:02] <greenpenguin13> can u get an old version?
[11:02] <pestilence> !ndiswrapper
[11:02] <ubotflu> it has been said that ndiswrapper is a way to support Windows wireless drivers, but it is buggy compared to native support. More info at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowToSetUpNdiswrapper
[11:02] <greenpenguin13> brb
[11:02] <enos> a way to switch between tvout and dualscreen anyone?
[11:02] <PpPp> Hi Seveas -- you don't sleep
[11:02] <ompaul> SaveMeJEBUS, that link about ndiswrapper is for you
[11:02] <Seveas> PpPp, sleep? What's that?
[11:02] <zandaa> bimberi, is there no other way??? (for 32-bit firefox there's the Linux32 package)
[11:03] <tkup> greenpenguin13, there is no version for hoary
[11:03] <ompaul> PpPp, he does it is just for a microsecond every millennium, and that is for repairs
[11:04] <tkup> Re: please help! I have jre1.5.0_01 unpacked in a dir and putting a symbolic link of i386/ns7/libjavapluging_oji.so in /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins/ but the applet doesn't display
[11:04] <Seveas> tkup, automatix doesn't work at all
[11:04] <ompaul> PpPp, but we don't talk about that
[11:04] <Seveas> it's a piece of <censored>
[11:04] <puppster> how do you tell grub to boot in single?  i tried adding "single" and "1" and neither seems right
[11:04] <Ng> puppster: did you add it to the line that starts "kernel"?
[11:04] <ompaul> puppster, it should have "recovery" as an option that is single
[11:04] <tkup> Seveas, I'm desperate and had to give it a try...
[11:04] <dr_willis> at the end of the kernel= option line i put in 'single'
[11:04] <bimberi> zandaa: someone might have tried compiling it - but there's no ubuntu package
[11:04] <Seveas> dr_willis, bad line
[11:04] <ClayG> Ng very good, this is exactly what I was after
[11:05] <zandaa> bimberi, so how would I got about it with the chroot thing?
[11:05] <zdennis> sethk, what happens is that my "/mnt/share_dir" directory doesn't seem to respond. Tab completion doesn't work and I can't cd to the directory, and when I try to remount it, after 30 seconds of hanging it says "could not resolve mount piont /mnt/share_dir"
[11:05] <Ng> ClayG: there are also -large packages if you want a *huge* list ;)
[11:05] <cremate> ompaul,  need tro set classpath
[11:05] <ClayG> I do
[11:05] <Ng> ClayG: I use wbritish-large when I'm really really stuck on a crossword ;)
[11:05] <ClayG> You know about the free .be domain names?
[11:05] <zdennis> sethk, although an 'ls' shows me that the directory exists
[11:05] <dr_willis> kernel          /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.12-9-386 root=/dev/hda1 ro single
[11:05] <puppster> ok i booted using the recovery mode which has kernel=... single in the command line, but now it says again Give root password for maintenance (or type Control-D to continue)
[11:05] <Seveas> that is a good line
[11:05] <sethk> zdennis, if you see the file list with ls, then it is obviously mounted
[11:05] <ClayG> I'm going to issue a command to locate words in it that end in be , so i can think of good domain names
[11:05] <ompaul> cremate, you talkin to me (said in  my best al pacino accent)
[11:05] <bimberi> zandaa: set up the chroot (links above) then install it within the chroot env.
[11:05] <pestilence> puppster, what happens if you hit "enter"?
[11:05] <sethk> zdennis, so we have to look elsewhere for the problem, not only at mount
[11:06] <puppster> it tells me login incorrect
[11:06] <zandaa> so bimberi, chroot is a 32-bit emulator thne?
[11:06] <tkup> how did all get libjavaplugin_oji.so plugin work with firefox on Linux?
[11:06] <Ng> puppster: did you set a root password?
[11:06] <puppster> similarly for my user password
[11:06] <zdennis> sethk...but when i run "mount" it thiks that "/mnt/share_dir" is mounted to my remote host's share
[11:06] <puppster> i sure don't think i woudl have
[11:06] <cmatheson_> tkup: you need to symlink it
[11:06] <Seveas> tkup, by installing java from a .deb package
[11:06] <Seveas> no need to symlink at all
[11:06] <cmatheson_> Ng: sudo passwd
[11:06] <Ng> cmatheson_: ?
[11:07] <puppster> oh -- one of my other passwords works
[11:07] <tkup> Seveas, what's the name of the package or is it installable via apt-get?
[11:07] <puppster> yey!
[11:07] <puppster> sorry for being so stupid :)
[11:07] <gnomefreak> !javadebs
[11:07] <Ng> puppster: guess that's your root password then ;)
[11:07] <ubotflu> javadebs is, like, totally, Sun Java debs packaged for breezy are at http://www.giannaros.org/public/breezydebs/ To install these, open a terminal, cd to the directory you downloaded them to, and type "sudo dpkg -i filename.deb"
[11:07] <tkup> cmatheson_, tried all permutations of symlink that I can think of
[11:07] <ClayG> Ng do you have any experience setting up a domain at home? Like in other words if I bought clayg.com and I want that to resolve to my house, but also to the point where i can get on irc and it will be from clayg.com?
[11:07] <Ng> those giannaros.org debs are out of date
[11:07] <Seveas> tkup, sun_j2re_something
[11:07] <Seveas> tkup, http://seveas.ubuntulinux.nl
[11:07] <Ng> as I said they would be, despite whoever it is that owns that site insisting he'd keep them up to date ;(
[11:08] <zdennis> sethk, I think that is why that it is hanging, because it thinks its mounted...and it tries to resolve the mountpoint,but it can't because it's not really mounted
[11:08] <clusty> hey
[11:08] <Ng> ClayG: yeah, you want a static IP or a small block of IPs, otherwise it's too painful to bother imo
[11:08] <cmatheson_> tkup it should be something like 'ln -sf /path/to/java/jre/plugin/liboji.so /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins' ... but it's easier to just use 'java-package' and install java the right way(tm)
[11:08] <clusty> i need some help installing ubuntu on some damn machines
[11:08] <clusty> they wont boot off a CDROM (some bug)
[11:08] <ClayG> I have a static, and I followed the howtoforge guide to setup an ISP with ubuntu
[11:08] <ClayG> but it looks like you need nameservrs that resolve to your IP
[11:08] <Ng> ClayG: the key is the reverse IP, that's what appears as your hostname in things like IRC
[11:08] <SaveMeJEBUS> where can I pick up: ndiswrapper-utils
[11:08] <sethk> zdennis, I thought you said that ls works
[11:08] <bimberi> zandaa: not really an "emulator" - but i'm struggling to find the right term for it.
[11:09] <clusty> what would be easiest method? take HDD out and install on some machine or I can use some tftp?
[11:09] <ClayG>  c-66-177-234-195.hsd1.fl.comcast.net?
[11:09] <Dido-win-clone> Could i create .iso from my current installation easily ?;)
[11:09] <ClayG> that one?
[11:09] <Ng> ClayG: yes, if you want appear on IRC as @clayg.com you need to have your ISP change the reverse lookup for your IP
[11:09] <zdennis> sethk, it does if i ls the parent direction (/mnt)
[11:09] <dr_willis> Dido-win-clone,  Mondo/Mindi is a backup program taht can make a bootable set of recovery cd/images
[11:09] <sethk> zdennis, oh, that's meaningless
[11:09] <ClayG> Someone told me to call comcast and tell them to point their nameservers to my ip
[11:09] <ClayG> they had no idea what i was tlaking about
[11:10] <sethk> zdennis, it times out on a umount?
[11:10] <ClayG> Ng any idea how to approach this
[11:10] <ClayG> ?
[11:10] <sethk> zdennis, after the other machine is up and the share is available again?
[11:10] <Seveas> ClayG, no provider I know of does such rdns changing
[11:10] <Dido-win-clone> dr_willis 10x
[11:10] <bimberi> zandaa: "environment" perhaps :)
[11:10] <Dido-win-clone> !google mondo/mindi
[11:10] <ubotflu> Dido-win-clone: Are you on ritalin?
[11:10] <Dido-win-clone> ubotflu should have that tcl
[11:10] <ubotflu> Dido-win-clone: I give up, what is it?
[11:10] <Ng> Seveas: decent ones do :)
[11:10] <tkup> Seveas, "java package is already the newest version"
[11:10] <Seveas> Ng, comcast -ne decent :p
[11:10] <zdennis> sethk, on umount it says "device is busy"
[11:10] <ClayG> there is no way to rig it?
[11:10] <iustin> Does anyone have any idea about how can i merge 2 ext3 partitions?
[11:10] <zdennis> sethk, even after the remote machine is up
[11:11] <ClayG> like point my domain name to comcast's DNS serves
[11:11] <ClayG> ?
[11:11] <zdennis> sethk, it times out if i try to remound the share to the same mountpoint.
[11:11] <sethk> zdennis, is it possible that a process has a file open in the share?
[11:11] <zdennis> sethk, good thinking, i didn't look at that
[11:11] <ClayG> maybe point them to  NS1.c-66-177-234-195.hsd1.fl.comcast.net
[11:11] <yuri> oi
[11:11] <ClayG> lol
[11:11] <Seveas> tkup, http://seveas.ubuntulinux.nl//pool/java/sun-j2re1.5_1.5.0+update06_i386.deb (jre) or http://seveas.ubuntulinux.nl//pool/java/sun-j2sdk1.5_1.5.0+update06_i386.deb (sdk)
[11:11] <Ng> ClayG: you can register clayg.com and have it or foo.clayg.com point to your IP, but the only way to get the IP to resolve back to that is on their DNS servers
[11:11] <zandaa> bimberi, the wiki is kinda confusing me... you ever done this before?
[11:11] <ClayG> yeah
[11:11] <yuri> hi everybody
[11:11] <iustin> Does anyone have any idea about how can i merge 2 ext3 partitions?
[11:12] <Seveas> ClayG, can you please take this horribly off-topic discussion to #ubuntu-offtopic
[11:12] <yuri> i don't know use the ubuntu
[11:12] <jvai> comcast sukz.. but it's the fastest thing we got on the east coast...
[11:12] <ClayG> No I'm through, thanks for allowing it as long as you did.
[11:12] <SaveMeJEBUS> hey does ndiswrapper-utils come in Ubuntu live?
[11:12] <bimberi> zandaa: no sorry
[11:12] <zandaa> can anyone help me setup a chroot?
[11:13] <cmatheson_> zandaa: i'm no expert... but generally it's just 'chroot /path'
[11:13] <Seveas> SaveMeJEBUS, no
[11:13] <Ng> cmatheson_: that's how you enter a chroot, not set one up
[11:13] <Ng> zandaa: which part is confusing you? (and which page are you looking at?)
[11:13] <zandaa> cmatheson, I ment setting up a 32-bit chroot on 64-bit system
[11:13] <TokenBad> I have ubuntu install and I installed my printer..it detected the printer and used the driver...
[11:14] <iustin> I need a little hint for merging two   ext3  partions , please !
[11:14] <TokenBad> but when I try to print it just sits there
[11:14] <zandaa> Ng, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebootstrapChroot < the part after editing /etc/dchroot.conf
[11:14] <Dido-> ;] 
[11:14] <TokenBad> has new color and black carts in it
[11:14] <cafuego> A far easier thing is to just use a 32bit system.
[11:14] <TokenBad> any one know what could be the problem?
[11:14] <cafuego> it appears to be faster as well.
[11:14] <cmatheson_> iustin: does gparted do the trick?
[11:14] <iustin> no
[11:14] <iustin> it doesn`t
[11:14] <SaveMeJEBUS> so i need to install the full edition in order to get access to ndiswrapper?
[11:14] <zandaa> cafuego, the 32-bit version of Ubuntu doesn't wanna install on my computer <_<
[11:14] <heliocof> help! xdmcp      no          no        no            Using: none! How do?
[11:14] <Seveas> cafuego, didn't you give ubotflu a flu shot?
[11:15] <cafuego> zandaa: Why noy?
[11:15] <Ng> zandaa: so the part where you actually run debootstrap?
[11:15] <zdennis> sethk, lol... my problem keeps compounding... "sudo fuser -km /mnt/share_dir"  -> "/mnt/share_dir: Input/output error"
[11:15] <zandaa> cafuego, I don't knoiw
[11:15] <cafuego> Seveas: ubotus datacenter is being ddos'd
[11:15] <zandaa> Ng, yeh
[11:15] <Seveas> heliocof, whoah - don't drown us with info......
[11:15] <Seveas> cafuego, :|
[11:15] <heliocof> LTSP 4.1 Ubuntu 5.10. help! xdmcp      no          no        no            Using: none! How do?
[11:15] <erUSUL> iustin, try with gparted (umounted partitions use a livecd) but messing with partitions is risky business backup first
[11:15] <cafuego> Seveas: I cna get at him, but he can't reach any non-australian site.
[11:15] <sethk> zandaa, once it gets this messed up it won't fix.  but you still need to find the root cause
[11:15] <iustin> erUSUL, i know but i am out of space !
[11:15] <zandaa> sethk, hm?
[11:15] <Ng> zandaa:  sudo debootstrap --arch i386 breezy /var/chroot/ http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/
[11:16] <Ng> zandaa: assuming you want it in /var/chroot
[11:16] <Seveas> cafuego, secret attempt to kill off .au?
[11:16] <zdennis> sethk, you the man! after running fuser i was able to umount it, thx
[11:16] <sethk> zandaa, sorry, wrong z
[11:16] <erUSUL> iustin, move the home to the new partition
[11:16] <sethk> zdennis, good.
[11:16] <cafuego> Seveas: Wouldn't surprise me.
[11:16] <iustin> erUSUL, i will try with a live cd with gparrted
[11:16] <zandaa> Ng, it's in /var/chroot
[11:16] <iustin> ok
[11:16] <iustin> how?
[11:16] <zandaa> Ng, so that's it??? (I've got AMD64 cpu, and 64-bit breezy)
[11:16] <greenpenguin13> athlon 64 drool...
[11:17] <Ng> zandaa: well obviously you need to continue with the instructions after that
[11:17] <iustin> erUSUL, i have a 5 Giga partition and it is full with applications that i need it
[11:17] <cafuego> zandaa: 32bit breezy should work just fine (does here)
[11:17] <zandaa> Ng, so the sudo cp etc?
[11:17] <zandaa> cafuego, for some reason it says everytime it can't find my HDD
[11:17] <Ng> zandaa: yes, that is replicating important system files into the 32bit version of the system
[11:17] <zandaa> Ng, ok thanks
[11:17] <Jemt> Greetings. Has Mplayer been removed from repositories ?
[11:17] <Dido-win-clone> dr_willis mondo or mindi should use for ubuntu
[11:17] <Jemt> !tell Jemt about Mplayer
[11:17] <greenpenguin13> athlon 64X2 alienware pc...
[11:18] <dr_willis> Dido-win-clone,  huh?
[11:18] <u|qos> is someone familiar with traffic shaping`?
[11:18] <erUSUL> iustin, if you have a new ext3 partition move all files of home to it then add a line to fstab to mount the new part in /home at boot time
[11:18] <iustin> erUSUL, if i change home to new partition ... application will still install into my 5 giga partition
[11:18] <erUSUL> iustin, yes
[11:18] <Seveas> u|qos, wondershaper is a decent simple solution
[11:18] <Rage__> Why is xv not working with fglrx? Do i have to install some other libs?
[11:18] <Seveas> Rage__, fglrx kills xv only after hibernate
[11:18] <cold> anyone knows the package name for the documents for libc functions?
[11:18] <erUSUL> iustin, but i was under the impresion that the bigger files where in home
[11:18] <Seveas> cold, manpages-dev
[11:18] <TokenBad> anyone?
[11:19] <Rage__> Seveas: I haven't used hibernate.
[11:19] <Dido-win-clone> dr_willis Debian users - click to download Mondo and Mindi... and mindi-kernel if your kernel blows... that's what i'm asking, which to select
[11:19] <iustin> erUSUL, no ... i don`t have big files in home
[11:19] <u|qos> @Seveas, wondershaper? do u know tc?
[11:19] <Ng> TokenBad: have you tried a test page in the printer admin?
[11:19] <TokenBad> yes
[11:19] <Seveas> u|qos, that's what wondershaper uses :)
[11:19] <erUSUL> iustin, ops
[11:19] <iustin> erUSUL, and neither partion magic don`t merge ext2/3
[11:19] <Ng> TokenBad: ...and? ;)
[11:19] <TokenBad> just sits
[11:20] <cold> hey guys, during my installation I forgot to add a swap partition,is there someway I can configure ubuntu to use space from the partition its installed on?
[11:20] <Rage__> u|qos: I have some scripts if you want them?
[11:20] <u|qos> Rage__: yes that would be great
[11:20] <Ng> TokenBad: is it usb or parallel?
[11:20] <erUSUL> iustin, then try gparted with all the warnings. i do not make any warranty
[11:20] <dr_willis> Dido-win-clone,  no clue.  ive only used the midi-kernel.
[11:20] <TokenBad> usb
[11:21] <u|qos> @Seveas, so ... how to start? is it there an package?
[11:21] <Rage__> u|qos: http://wrathnet.homeip.net/~rage/projects/server/
[11:21] <iustin> erUSUL, gparted won`t merge my partiotions because one is mounted !!!
[11:21] <dr_willis> iustin,  live cd's are handy to do that task.
[11:21] <cmatheson_> iustin: maybe you should boot off of a livecd or something
[11:22] <Poland> so someone confirm this, there is no way to make the mac airport extreme card work with ubuntu?
[11:22] <erUSUL> iustin, i told you to do it from a livecd (knoppix comes with qparted)
[11:22] <iustin> i will try damn small linux!!
[11:22] <Rage__> u|qos: My scripts use tc, you will have to install that.
[11:22] <Rage__> u|qos: My scripts use tc, you will have to install that.
[11:22] <erUSUL> iustin, backup important data
[11:22] <iustin> ok... in pursuit!
[11:22] <Rage__> sry
[11:22] <TokenBad> Ng, its weird...
[11:22] <iustin> erUSUL, thanks!
[11:23] <zandaa> Ng, I copied the vital files, and run the chroot command, now I should be able to install 32-bit packages right?
[11:23] <Ng> TokenBad: I was about to start checking my configs, but the two USB printers are in my old flat, sorry ;)
[11:23] <Ng> zandaa: yup
[11:24] <zandaa> Ng, :D
[11:24] <Seveas> u|qos, yes, called wondershaper :)
[11:24] <u|qos> Rage__: thx for the scripts ... is there an package availible?
[11:24] <Rage__> u|qos: What for?
[11:25] <Rage__> u|qos: tc? - yes.
[11:25] <cafuego> Seveas: Wanna know a nice php bug?
[11:25] <Seveas> cafuego, do I :)
[11:25] <Poland> hello?
[11:25] <Rage__> u|qos: call iptables-firewall at the end of /etc//init.d/bootmisc
[11:25] <u|qos> Rage__: as @Seveas said Wondershaper?
[11:25] <cafuego> Seveas: When PHP's error log is 2GB in size, the session handler stops working if it can't log.
[11:26] <Seveas> cafuego, icky
[11:26] <zandaa> Ng, what about setting up the locales thing??? there're like 3 options for the dutch language
[11:26] <Poland> could someone help me?
[11:26] <rambo3> ask germany
[11:26] <Rage__> u|qos: You have no control using wondershaper, with those scripts you should be able to sedit them for your needs.
[11:26] <Ng> zandaa: tbh that won't really matter too much - if there's one that says utf-8 pick that one
[11:27] <Rage__> u|qos: NOTE: eth1 is internal eth0 is internet.
[11:27] <mwe> germany for dutch? I thought that was the netherlands :)
[11:27] <zandaa> Ng, ok set it up correctly:)
[11:27] <derrick81787> he was talking to poland i think
[11:27] <zandaa> mwe, dutch = netherlands
[11:27] <r2> whatever happened to the cdrdao frontend GCDMASTER ?
[11:27] <cafuego> zandaa: You'll want nl-NL utf8@euro
[11:27] <u|qos> my pc only has one network card.
[11:27] <cafuego> Voor meer info, probeer #ubuntu-nl
[11:28] <u|qos> Rage__: my pc only has one network card.
[11:28] <active-matrix> hi i use pppoeconf for internet connection when i run sudo pppoeconf it shows a red linje findin eth1 concetrator then it fills up to 100% then nothing more it hangs there ?
[11:28] <zandaa> cafuego, I set it up :)
[11:28] <Rage__> you should be able to fiddle it.
[11:28] <Rage__> u|qos: It may well still work but give you errors.
[11:28] <redvelvet> does anyone here know how to get wireless to work on a netgear card?
[11:28] <cafuego> !ndiswrapper
[11:28] <ubotflu> somebody said ndiswrapper was a way to support Windows wireless drivers, but it is buggy compared to native support. More info at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowToSetUpNdiswrapper
[11:28] <r2> linuxloader
[11:28] <zandaa> Ng, there's something wrong with the repositories in the chroot
[11:29] <Ng> zandaa: how so?
[11:30] <TokenBad> Ng, I don't know whats going on with it
[11:30] <zandaa> Ng, the AMD64 thing is coming up each time
[11:30] <Ng> zandaa: sorry, what amd64 thing?
[11:30] <u|qos> Rage__: how does wondershaper work?
[11:30] <zandaa> Ng, I'll put on pastebin
[11:31] <active-matrix> hi i use pppoeconf for internet connection when i run sudo pppoeconf it shows a red linje findin eth1 concetrator then it fills up to 100% then nothing more it hangs there ?
[11:31] <jemt> !tell Jemt about w32codecs
[11:31] <Rage__> u|qos: I think it is like my scripts.
[11:31] <zandaa> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/5718 < ng
[11:31] <LadyNikon> hey
[11:31] <LadyNikon> i am trying to install a package.. but its the older version not the newest one
[11:31] <mwe> jemt: /msg the bot to keep it out of the room
[11:31] <LadyNikon> well my co worker is
[11:31] <Rage__> u|qos: there are several ques of diff priorities, if there is something in a higer prio que it is sent first.
[11:32] <Ng> zandaa: edit the /etc/apt/sources.list file in the chroot and comment out the cdrom line
[11:32] <LadyNikon> i know that in gentoo you have to update your portage.. do you have to do anything similar to that with ubuntu?
[11:32] <mwe> LadyNikon: apt-get update
[11:32] <mwe> LadyNikon: or use on of the front ends
[11:33] <LadyNikon> mwe: we downloaded the package we want
[11:33] <LadyNikon> can you tell apt get to install that package?
[11:33] <LadyNikon> s/we/you
[11:33] <mwe> LadyNikon: yeah. sudo dpkg -i fobar.deb
[11:33] <soldieruk400> hi all
[11:33] <u|qos> Rage__: but how does it prevent other applications from sending? how does it control them? i only want to understand to principle. understand how to use it ...
[11:33] <zandaa> LadyNikon, could you tell me what exactly you did?
[11:34] <mmolina> holsasssssssss
[11:34] <hunt0r> hi all
[11:34] <Rage__> u|qos: It is a kernel level configuration, all data is sent via the kernel for the network, it always is.
[11:34] <Rage__> u|qos:
[11:34] <Rage__> u|qos: It does it on a per packet basis.
[11:34] <hunt0r> with wich kernal parameter can I disable pcmcia?
[11:34] <zandaa> Ng, what text editor can I use in CHROOT mode?
[11:34] <hunt0r> *kernel
[11:35] <TokenBad> anyone else have any idea what is going on with my printer?
[11:35] <sethk> hunt0r, you mean during kernel compile, or a boot time option?
[11:35] <mmolina> hello
[11:35] <Ng> zandaa: you can edit the file from outside the chroot, sudo nano /var/chroot/etc/apt/sources.list
[11:35] <hunt0r> sethk: boot time
[11:35] <zandaa> Ng, ah <_< I'm so totally clueless when it comes to linux
[11:35] <Ng> zandaa: then just do an apt-get update inside the chroot
[11:35] <u|qos> Rage__: so wondershaper is just a kernel configurator?
[11:35] <dooglus> zandaa: or you can install an editor inside the chroot
[11:35] <Rage__> u|qos: yes.
[11:35] <Ng> zandaa: hey no probs, a chroot is a fantastically confusing thing to have :)
[11:35] <Dido-win-clone> Anyone could recommend me some nice firewall?
[11:35] <zandaa> dooglus, I tried installing gedit, but it can't load
[11:36] <dooglus> zandaa: gedit has a lot of dependancies.  try something easier like nvi perhaps?
[11:36] <pnoob> Now I'm Pnoob
[11:36] <zandaa> dooglus, k will try
[11:37] <paulproteus|lapt> !ndiswrapper
[11:37] <ubotflu> it has been said that ndiswrapper is a way to support Windows wireless drivers, but it is buggy compared to native support. More info at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowToSetUpNdiswrapper
[11:37] <u|qos> Rage__: hmm great ... :) it there somewhere the easiest example u could imagine?
[11:37] <pnoob> anyone out there run GEDA or PCB tools on UBUNTU?
[11:37] <Rage__> u|qos: looking....
[11:37] <sethk> hunt0r, I don't know of one.  There may be for modprobe, if pcmcia is a module
[11:37] <zandaa> dooglus, how do I close nvi?
[11:37] <Rage__> u|qos: http://news-reader.org/article.php?group=alt.comp.linux.isp&post_nr=4836
[11:38] <dooglus> zandaa: :q!
[11:38] <hedonick> pnoob: geda is in the universe repos
[11:38] <hunt0r> sethk: well the problem is I can not boot into my system becouse it crashes when it is trying to load pcmcia
[11:38] <Rage__> u|qos: think thats what i worked off...
[11:38] <roune> hey, i tried 2 install blackbox with something like apt-get blackbox, and now i wonder how to switch to blackbox from the gnome thing ^^
[11:38] <sethk> hunt0r, rebuild the kernel with pcmcia disabled
[11:38] <Rage__> u|qos: My shaper script is about as simple as it gets, look at that.
[11:38] <dooglus> roune: it should be in a menu on the gdm login screen
[11:39] <u|qos> Rage__: thx .. i will take a look :)
[11:39] <dooglus> if "ls -l" shows   a -> b   , that's a soft link, right?
[11:39] <Rage__> u|qos: CEIL=240 is 75% of your upstream.
[11:39] <roune> gdm login screen...? :D
[11:39] <mwe> dooglus: yeah
[11:39] <mwe> dooglus: alias symlink
[11:39] <zandaa> roune, press ctrl+alt+backspace to return there
[11:39] <kameron> how can i mask my ip? i've never done that before.
[11:39] <dooglus> is it a link "from a to b" or "from b to a"?
[11:40] <mwe> dooglus: a is the link. b is the actual file
[11:40] <sethk> ln [-s]  filename linkname
[11:40] <dooglus> mwe: but what is the link a link *to*?
[11:40] <roune> aha okay, tanks you :D
[11:40] <mwe> dooglus: a is a link to b
[11:40] <zandaa> Ng, <_< once I install wine in the chroot thing it can't run
[11:41] <jvai> i found two ORINOCO silver wifi cards on ebay.. for $50.bucks... & the drivers r in the linux kernel from jump.. the cards even work in feather linux.. which has the 2.4 kernel
[11:41] <dooglus> mwe: that's what I thought.  but apparently we're both wrong... http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=19108
[11:41] <cyphase> which language has the "do nothing" statement?
[11:41] <jvai> i gave up w/ ndiswrapper
[11:41] <cyphase> i can't remember :)
[11:41] <dooglus> mwe: I reported a bug in ubuntu, where they get that backwards, but I'm told I'm wrong.
[11:41] <olipaul> hi all. there's a couple of things stopping me from using ubuntu at the moment, and i'm wondering if there's any fixes so i can go back to it
[11:41] <u|qos> there was a console based bandwidth screen, but i forgot the name ... can somebody help me?
[11:42] <zandaa> cyphase, I believe it's Visual Basic, not really sure though
[11:42] <cyphase> hmm, i've never coded Visual Basic..
[11:42] <zdennis> cyphase, heh
[11:42] <bekir> LIST
[11:42] <zandaa> cyphase, ok
[11:42] <cyphase> i don't think that's it..
[11:42] <cyphase> oh well
[11:42] <fushi> :\
[11:42] <mwe> dooglus: um. I'd say that bug has the symantics wrong.
[11:42] <lancer285> hey guys, how much hard drive space does GRUB or Lilo need to install? I'm having problems getting the ubuntu installation to work on a friends compture
[11:43] <kent> olipaul, what was the problem?
[11:43] <zandaa> lancer285, I believe GRUB doesn't need that many space
[11:43] <Pygi> grub and lilo take minimal space
[11:43] <dooglus> mwe: do you mean it really is a bug, or that the bug report is wrong?
[11:43] <jvai> <--  unbuntu install on a 11G hd
[11:43] <dr_willis> lancer285,  you mean space for the Master boot record? or the actal binaries/confgs?  less then a mb or 2 is my guess.
[11:43] <lancer285> I keep getting error messages when its installing
[11:43] <jvai> w/ 8.3 free space
[11:43] <korhalf> DjLinX, yo u there?
[11:43] <erUSUL> lancer285, lilo 512 bytes (boot sector) grub 512 bytes plus du -h /boot/grub
[11:44] <jvai> ubuntu's luly
[11:44] <lancer285> dr_willis, for the mbr. I allocated 100mb, at hda1 but its not installing. It drops out and says there's an error
[11:44] <olipaul> well,  1 - my ipod doesn't unmount, nor usb pens - i just get a popup telling me there's an error. 2 - when i shutdown, it doesn't poweroff, just sits there saying "power down" after the init process is finished
[11:44] <lancer285> so apparently its not a space issue
[11:44] <dr_willis> lancer285,  the 'mbr' is just a few k at the start of the drive.. perhaps even 1 k.. its not mich..
[11:44] <kent> olipaul, have you filed a bugreport about it?
[11:44] <pnoob> hedonick, I know, I love that schnazz.
[11:45] <mwe> dooglus: it's confusing. initrd.img -> initrd.img-xya is the right link though
[11:45] <zandaa> can't get Wine to work in my chroot, how do I define what program to start??? (can it be on NTFS drive?)
[11:45] <erUSUL> lancer285, 100 mb for root? or for /boot?
[11:45] <olipaul> kent, yeah, was encouraged to try dapper - which i dont really want to do
[11:45] <dr_willis> zandaa,  'wine /path/to/whatever.exe'
[11:45] <lancer285> erUSUL, for /boot
[11:45] <dooglus> mwe: the link we're talking about is a link in / that points into /boot/
[11:45] <zandaa> dr_willis, can that be on my NTFS drive?? (mounted as /dev/sda1)
[11:46] <erUSUL> lancer285, i have 67 MB for boot here no problems whatsover
[11:46] <kent> olipaul, oh, sounds like its not fixed then. If they ask you to install Dapper then its probably fixed there - and will take to much effort (just guessing though) to backport to ubuntu 5.10 (Breezy).  So if you dont want to try dapper - which i understand, i guess you will have to wait for Dapper..
[11:46] <dr_willis> zandaa,  Could be.. but that dricve is mounted read only and wine normally makes a 'fake' windows partition in your home dir. Best to reinstall the app with wine to your home.
[11:46] <lancer285> erUSUL, okay. So it's not a size problem. I'm gonna do some checking and see what's up.
[11:47] <kent> olipaul, to check if a bug is fixed  - browse the buzille.  The bugs will be marked as fixed when they are..  i think
[11:47] <zandaa> dr_willis, so I gotta install the software on my linux partition???
[11:47] <dr_willis> zandaa,  if you want them to work properly - yes.. its adviseable.
[11:47] <olipaul> so how does everyone else cope with unmounting their ipods? i cant be the only one with an ipod? :)
[11:47] <mwe> dooglus: well I don't have those files. I'd expect /boot/initrd.img -> /boot/initrd.img-xyz and /initrd.img > /boot/initrd.img from what I read
[11:48] <zandaa> dr_willis, this whole wine thing is too confusing for me... thanks though
[11:48] <dooglus> mwe: comment #1 claims that "/initrd.img -> boot/initrd.img-2.6.12-9-686" is a link from /boot/initrd to /initrd.  comment #3 claims something similar.  I think they've both got it backwards, but I don't know how to convince them.  I quoted the man page of "ln" in comment #2 but that didn't work.  Any ideas how to get through to them?
[11:48] <roune> u just gotta ask, when you start a program from the term, say xchat, and then close the term, xchat will also close. how do i prevent that? :D
[11:48] <erUSUL> mwe, what would those links be for?
[11:48] <roune> i*
[11:49] <rosen> dooglus !
[11:49] <kent> olipaul, I dont have one so I dont know. There are diffrent versions of the Ipod (generations.) which probably behaves a bit diffrent. You can try to google about it. It should not be a problem. (If you know your way in the terminal you should be able to force an umount..)
[11:49] <dooglus> rosen !
[11:49] <kameron> roune: run it in the background
[11:49] <dooglus> rosen: any luck with skype taking over the sound card?
[11:49] <mrkoje> roune,  you need to set it into the background
[11:49] <roune> with & command?
[11:49] <mrkoje> ctrl z
[11:49] <roune> i ment
[11:49] <kameron> roune: you got it
[11:49] <mrkoje> roune,  I think?
[11:49] <kent> roune, i would try that yes..
[11:49] <rosen> dooglus, nah not yet ... I just told my friends to stop calling me :P
[11:49] <mwe> erUSUL: I don't know about /initrd.img, but the other on I would expect is for not having to change menu.lst after an upgrade
[11:49] <roune> okay tanks :D i will try it :D
[11:49] <u|qos> how do i SEARCH packages via console not via adept...
[11:49] <mrkoje> roune,  ctrl z
[11:50] <kent> u|qos, apt-cache search
[11:50] <dooglus> mrkoje: control-z will stop it.  you then need to use "bg" to start it running in the background.
[11:50] <roune> the & think worked, thank you :D
[11:50] <u|qos> kent: thx :) are there useful parameters?
[11:50] <dooglus> mrkoje: it's easier to use "&" really
[11:50] <rosen> dooglus, I was pondering something else though .. tommorow a friend of mine will come by with a program one of his mates made that should make it possible for a linuxbox to distribute traffic evenly on two gateways ... but there should allready be programs like that outthere right ?
[11:50] <mwe> dooglus: I don't know. I'd say /boot/initrd.img pointing to /boot/initrd-xyz should be sufficient
[11:50] <dooglus> rosen: I don't know
[11:50] <mrkoje> dooglus, thanks...
[11:51] <kent> u|qos, yes. But you should read about them in the manual (man apt-cache)
[11:51] <mwe> dooglus: which ever one you call the link
[11:51] <dooglus> mwe: I think that grub's menu.lst expects to find links in the / directory.
[11:51] <rosen> dooglus, I found something you dont know ! muaha ... well I'll make sure to upload it somewhere if t works what he have then
[11:52] <roune> um..
[11:52] <kameron> has anyone recieved breezy badger cds in the mail yet? i ordered a few weeks ago. i know it'll take longer, just wondering if anyone has got theirs?
[11:52] <mwe> dooglus: from man ln. " Create  a  link  to  the  specified  TARGET  with  optional  LINK_NAME."
[11:52] <dooglus> rosen: I don't know everything :)  I don't even claim to!
[11:52] <roune> well, it doesnt seem it works Oo
[11:52] <roune> i will look at it again Oo
[11:52] <lancer285> does /boot need to be a certain file system type? Ubuntu default was ext3
[11:52] <kameron> lancer285: i don't think it matters
[11:52] <dooglus> mwe: yes.  I pasted pretty much exactly that in comment 2 of that bug.  but it wasn't enough to get through to Ben
[11:52] <cremate> ext 3 is good
[11:53] <lancer285> kameron, hhmmm, any ideas on why the bootloader install is failing??
[11:53] <rosen> dooglus, well for a moment I though you were an oracle-bot or something ... !dooglus kind of thing
[11:53] <roune> should it be like gimp&
[11:53] <mwe> dooglus: that means a -> b makes a the link as ln -s b a makes the link a -> b. confusing, yes but so it is
[11:53] <kameron> lancer285: i'm not really sure. i always had bootloader problems with ubuntu, so i installed Lilo from a different distro, and it works great. i just didn't feel like figuring it out.
[11:53] <dooglus> roune: "nohup gimp 2>&1 > /dev/null &" is better - then it will keep running after the terminal closes, and will throw its output away
[11:53] <init> can someone help me take ownership of my external hard drive? "you are not the owner, you cannot change permissions"
[11:53] <lancer285> kameron, what cpu do you have?
[11:54] <erUSUL> lancer285, well grub only supports 'ls /boot/grub/*stage1_5
[11:54] <erUSUL> '
[11:54] <dr_willis> init,  whatys its filesystem?
[11:54] <kameron> dooglus: yes, it's backwards. it is a bit confusing, but the people at unix like it that way. be sure to make symbolic links with the -s option, or else you can mess things up.
[11:54] <dooglus> mwe: right.  and "a->b" is a link TO b, right?
[11:54] <kent> init, you want me to take ownership of your drive? Sure, send it to me! :)
[11:54] <roune> lol,  how the ## can u know thos sercret commands :D
[11:54] <init> dr_willis, hfs+
[11:54] <mwe> dooglus: right, according to the man page
[11:54] <lancer285> erUSUL, what does that mean??
[11:54] <kameron> lancer285: AMD64 3200+ Venice overclocked
[11:54] <dr_willis> init, HFS? its a mac drive?
[11:54] <dooglus> kameron: I was looking for opinions as to a bug: http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=19108
[11:54] <dooglus> kameron: who's right?
[11:54] <mwe> dooglus: but the command to make it is ln -s b a :)
[11:54] <init> dr_willis, was....
[11:55] <dooglus> mwe: yes, I know :)
[11:55] <dr_willis> init,  you going to refdisk the drive and make it ext3?
[11:55] <dooglus> mwe: ln's arguments are in the same order as cp's.  you put the thing that exists first, and the thing you're creating 2nd
[11:55] <erUSUL> lancer285, run the command and see. there are support for vfat, reiser, xfs, ext2,...
[11:55] <kameron> dooglus: ill check it out
[11:55] <lancer285> erUSUL, okay thanks,.
[11:55] <init> dr_willis, they told me before i installed ubuntu that linux could r/w to hfs filesystems
[11:56] <init> dr_willis, i would rather leave it the way it is so i can still use it on the mac
[11:56] <mwe> dooglus: right
[11:56] <dr_willis> init,  time to check the mount man pages. and see what fstab poptions you may need to use.
[11:56] <jcole> how can i install ubuntu via floppy? i have an old laptop that has no cdrom drive in it... i did an "apt-get source debian-installer" on another machine and trying to figure out how to build a floppy image, lol... can someone please point me to a doc?
[11:56] <fluvvell> I hardly ever use ftp, but have to now.  I installed proftp, but having trouble making it go.  /etc/init.d/proftp reports that it must be started from inetd or xinetd.  Have made the appropriate file in xinet.d but its not going yet, what now?
[11:56] <kameron> dooglus: i'm not sure, i'm not on my ubuntu box right now, i'll check it out later
[11:56] <dr_willis> init,  ive never done anything with a hfs drive :P
[11:56] <dooglus> kameron: the dispute is over whether "a -> b" is a link to 'a' or to 'b'
[11:57] <erUSUL> init, the default ubuntu kernel does not suppot it afaik but you can compile a custom kernel
[11:57] <kameron> init, i have hfs experience
[11:57] <Rage__> OK! glx dri, all good, what is wrong with xv?
[11:57] <init> dr_willis, ok, can you tell me an easy to use ftp server that has a gui front end?
[11:57] <init> kameron, nice, is it possible?
[11:57] <kameron> dooglus: ln a b would make b a link to a, it is backwards
[11:57] <kameron> dooglus: but i don't know what it is in the man page.
[11:57] <kameron> init: yes, quite.
[11:57] <kameron> init: or wait. is what possible?
[11:57] <theD3viL> what happend if i run apt-get remove supertux* ?
[11:57] <skismdan> is it possible for me to download music o
[11:58] <dooglus> kameron: and "ls -l" would show it as "b -> a"
[11:58] <init> kameron, it mounted the drive. i just can't read/write.
[11:58] <kameron> dooglus: correct, but i'm going from memory
[11:58] <init> kameron, getting this hfs drive to r/w in ubuntu
[11:58] <kameron> init: oh. fstab, it's alway fstab!
[11:58] <mwe> kameron: link from to seems logical to me
[11:58] <pnoob> Hi, I'm trying to build up some sources, fontconfig for one, and when I ./configure I get cpp fails sanity check.  HELP!
[11:58] <dr_willis> init,  i cant think of any 'ftp' servers that have a gui front end that comes with them.. there may be somne extra front ends for the various servers.. (or try webmin) I dont even use ftp servers any more.. ssh is the answer! :P
[11:58] <dooglus> kameron: the man page says: ln [OPTION] ... TARGET [LINK_NAME]  : Create a link to the specified TARGET with optional LINK_NAME.
[11:59] <mwe> kameron: then ls -l showing the link as link to also makes sense to me
[11:59] <kameron> init: i thought you mean installing to an hfs or sometihng, that's nuts. but on my yellowdog installation i can mount hfs no problem, just some fstab config. shouldn't be much different in ubuntu. you're running ubuntu ppc right?
[11:59] <zdennis> is there any way to clean up swap space?
[11:59] <kameron> dooglus: it appears the man is incorrect.
[11:59] <diesel> jcole: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/upgrade-sarge/talkback/1113587843
[11:59] <dooglus> zdennis: "wipe" will wipe it, I think
[11:59] <dooglus> kameron: really?
[11:59] <erUSUL> pnoob, why are you compiling from sources just apt-get it
[11:59] <chrisx1> how do i fix this ,with out rebooting eject: unable to eject, last error: Invalid argument
[12:00] <kameron> dooglus: i think so. ah, let me read over it again. this is one of the most baffling parts of unix though.