=== lucasvo can't wait til this stupid apt is done with upgrading [12:05] heh [12:07] ogra: distrowatch must be a big + for pressed cds in dapper? [12:07] not really ... [12:07] ogra: why? [12:07] are we still in top 100 ? [12:08] i didnt look for some weeks === \sh is now known as \sh_away === \sh_away is now known as \sh [12:09] hmm, actually 67 in the 3 months overview === arkan0x [n=arkanox@pc-133-72-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu [12:10] but not even listed for the 1 month statistics [12:12] is this a bug: if you install sabayon in breezy (without creating a default profile), /etc/X11/Xsession does't work longer [12:12] works here [12:12] did you edit that file before installing sabayon ? [12:12] could be [12:13] that might be it ... [12:13] did you create a profile for your user? [12:13] note also that sabayon doesnt work on thin clients === claude [n=claude@64.118.62.81.cust.bluewin.ch] has left #edubuntu [] [12:13] nope, i tested sabayon for inclusion and found out it doesnt work, so i didnt include it :) [12:14] it must work on thin clients to include it by default, else its useless ... [12:14] but its principle collides with our ltsp [12:15] ok === jinty [n=jinty@115.Red-80-24-9.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #edubuntu [12:15] it runs xnest which doesnt work through ssh tunnels ... [12:16] i see no way to make that work ... :( [12:16] (i'd very much love to include it in the next release) [12:17] hmm [12:18] we, have some time left, for dapper [12:18] not much though [12:18] upstream version freeze is deadline for new stuff [12:20] and my personal ocus is on keeping the edubuntu metapackages working and to improve ltsp ... so i dont have much time left for other development [12:20] *focus [12:22] are you again searching for new helpers? [12:23] i'm always searching for helpers :) [12:23] :) [12:24] we, talked yesterday on #ltsp if you can't remember, btw [12:24] ah, yes [12:27] ogra, do you use vmware for edubuntu development? [12:27] nope [12:27] real hardware [12:28] Yagisan does a lot with vmware [12:28] vmware 5 has pxe support [12:28] he also tests the isos with it (at least he did that last release) [12:28] ahm, nice [12:29] -m [12:30] have ubuntu something like a mentors-project, too? [12:30] we have MOTU [12:30] (masters of the universe) [12:31] its similar to mentors [12:31] but more team oriented [12:31] since we dont have personalized packages in ubuntu, everyone can work on everything he likes [12:32] technically everyone can submit packages to http://tiber.tauware.de/, where they get reviewed by MOTU and get sponsored uploads [12:33] How to install phpbb EasyMod on ubuntu: http://area51.phpbb.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?sid=&f=19&t=21527 [12:34] gand, ah, you found the solution to your user problem then ? [12:34] nice :) [12:34] yrs :) [12:34] yes:) [12:34] and then share what I learn :) === jinty [n=jinty@115.Red-80-24-9.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #edubuntu [12:34] cool [12:35] : [12:35] :) [12:35] ogra, thx, I will have a look on it [12:35] loogaroo, feel invited to #ubuntu-motu as well :) [12:36] I've set a phpbb board for a teacher group sharing FOSS on Italian school [12:36] thats very nice :) [12:37] lombardia.homelinux.org/forum is running on edubuntu machine :) ones you help to set up [12:37] wow === Burgwork [n=corey@S010600131016cf6f.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #edubuntu [01:23] ogra, you awake still? [01:23] Burgwork, partially [01:23] ogra, my company is interested in making TeachersPet work on multiseat boxes [01:24] nice [01:24] http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/bzr-archive/student-control-panel-0.1/ [01:24] there is my bzr archive [01:24] its far from being complete or anything [01:25] http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/edubuntu/student-control-panel_shot.png [01:25] ok [01:25] you can easily replace the top graphics with a company logo [01:25] where is that tool going to be as of Dapper? [01:26] and is there anything in the design that needs to be rethought to handle multiseat instead of ltsp? [01:26] i hope the three basic finctions, logout, start apps for selected students and mke vnc connection to the currenly selected student work ... [01:26] I didn't see anything [01:26] the grabbing of the login connections must be handled differently [01:27] yep [01:27] one guy already made a gentoo port :) [01:27] but the fundamental design is not different [01:27] nope [01:28] ok. we are just in the preliminary stages of looking at what we can do, so no promises yet [01:29] if you look at the code of http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/bzr-archive/student-control-panel-0.1/student-control-panel all thats needed is an adjustment of the poll_userlist function [01:29] its trivial to change that for other implementations [01:30] and its not my highest priorty, so any help will be welcome [01:30] I might even have enough python vodoo to make that work [01:30] so just bzr get it ;) [01:31] my time is about to get very very tight, due to other non-work Ubuntu stuff, but I will try [01:32] if you run into probs, just ping me [01:32] ok [01:35] ogra, just a gui comment. It might be better to move the logout student button to beside the takeover student one [01:35] and at the bottom, have a logout all and takeover all button [01:35] thats not how it works ;) [01:36] oh [01:36] the logout button logs out *all selected* students [01:36] hmm [01:36] be it only one or all [01:36] so it applies to the list on the left ... [01:37] how often is the teach going to logging out only a subset of students? [01:37] the same will happen with the execute button [01:37] s/teach/teacher [01:37] you can just ctrl-a them ... [01:37] yes [01:38] but the logic is that the takeover button only applies to the currently shown student, and the other buttons allpy to the list on the left [01:38] I don't know enough about how teachers would actually use the tool to make a good judgement [01:38] the reason I say move the buttons over is that then it is clear exactly what student you are affecting [01:38] so the optical distinction is content vs list [01:39] or list vs content to put it in the appropriate order [01:40] try the app and you will see what i mean ... [01:41] yes, I think I understand your thinking [01:41] I wish I knew how teachers actually would use it [01:41] yes, me too :) [01:42] i think if you have two students that misbehave and play an online game against each other, its nice to select just these two and kick them out ;) [01:42] yes [01:42] that was my initial idea ... [01:42] but at the same time, I am worried about the multiple selection thing [01:42] because the side only shows one [01:43] the last selscted one ... [01:43] ugh [01:44] let me mock up my idea and post to edubuntu-devel [01:44] i wont add any more buttons, but i want the teacher to be able to kick students selective [01:44] get some more opinions [01:44] i wont have the time to work on the gui ... i'm happy if i get the backend done before UVF (which is less than 4 weeks) [01:44] ouch [01:45] again, I might be able to muster my meager pygtk skills to do that [01:45] surely you can do that, but it wont happen if no gui guru steps up and integrates all the autouipdating of the gui right [01:46] yep [01:46] and i will in no case add a "populate userlist" button or something differently weird ;) [01:46] just to circumvent a usability issue i can solve as well n the next release :) [01:46] that is crack [01:47] that is what all teacher tools do today [01:47] I have never seen one [01:47] I should start looking [01:47] i havent found one without such buttons :) [01:47] look at controlaulas at gnomefiles.org [01:47] its a horribly bloated but very powerful gui === \sh is now known as \sh_away [01:48] sadly its 100% written in gambas === amu is now known as amU [01:48] yes [01:48] which i'll never touch and we wont have it in ubuntu main ever ... so no option... [01:49] and then there is the ancient teacher tool .... in tkinter .... [01:49] and a port of it in gtk1 .... [01:49] controlaulas looks like a mess [01:49] and i think i also saw a port to gtk2 ... [01:49] what about teachertool, the k12ltsp one? [01:50] thats the tkinter one ... [01:50] with a populate button for *every* list [01:50] s-c-p is mainly based on it ... but without most of the crack [01:51] are there screenshots for that somewhere? [01:51] i.e. i adopted the backend, made it work with our ltsp but added automation where possible ... [01:52] http://www.grawert.net/TeacherTool.png [01:52] ugh [01:52] ever button pops up another list (with its own populate list button indeed) [01:53] or weird dialogs [01:55] how can I use a serial mouse on the thinclients? [01:56] loogaroo, i fear that doesnt work ... i had several users that tried it, but it didnt work for them and i have no serial one to test [01:57] in breezy its not implemented http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuLtsConfParams but the patch we got for dapper didnt seem to work either :( [01:57] i had someone here who tried to backport the patch ... [01:58] loogaroo, you can look at http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/bzr-archive/ltsp/fixes/debian/ltsp-client.ltsp-client-setup.init [01:59] ok [01:59] there are lines for X_MOUSE_DEVICE and X_MOUSE_PROTOCOL [01:59] try to put them into /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/init.d/ltsp-client-setup and add the options to your lts.conf file [02:00] but i doubt it will work [02:06] I will try this tomorrow [02:07] thx, and good night [02:08] night === kelley_ [n=kelley@hlfxns01bbf-142068207218.ns.aliant.net] has joined #edubuntu === kelley_ [n=kelley@hlfxns01bbf-142068207218.ns.aliant.net] has joined #edubuntu === pc22 [n=arik@222.126.13.162] has joined #edubuntu [02:44] hi ogra === ealden [n=ealden@219.90.91.122] has joined #edubuntu === sankarshan [n=sankarsh@59.92.130.18] has joined #edubuntu === jsgotangco [n=ubuntu@210.4.38.43] has joined #edubuntu === freelove [n=yasser@59.93.240.146] has joined #edubuntu [05:15] hi ogra:) === freelove [n=yasser@59.93.240.146] has left #edubuntu ["Konversation] === P3L|C4N0 [n=gcamposm@200.121.19.30] has joined #edubuntu === cowboE [n=chatzill@adsl-68-94-25-189.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has joined #edubuntu === cowboE [n=chatzill@adsl-68-94-25-189.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has left #edubuntu [] === pc22 [n=buknoy@210.213.219.183] has joined #edubuntu [05:49] hello === sankarshan [n=sankarsh@59.92.130.18] has joined #edubuntu === zakame [n=zak@210.213.79.102] has joined #edubuntu === P3L|C4N0 [n=gcamposm@200.106.95.154] has joined #edubuntu === JaneW [n=JaneW@dsl-146-165-24.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #edubuntu === P47|LL0 [n=gcamposm@200.106.9.133] has joined #edubuntu === robitaille [n=robitail@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #edubuntu [08:27] hello === juliux [n=juliux@ubuntu/member/juliux] has joined #edubuntu === manu_ubu [n=manu@ubu.upmf-grenoble.fr] has joined #edubuntu [08:32] Hello [08:34] hhi === konfuzed [n=KonfuzeD@H135.C72.B0.tor.eicat.ca] has joined #edubuntu === sankarshan [n=sankarsh@59.92.130.18] has joined #edubuntu === SCMark [n=marko@fsh-cpe-52-11.resnet.ucsc.edu] has joined #edubuntu === manu_ubu [n=manu@ubu.upmf-grenoble.fr] has left #edubuntu [] === thundr [n=thundr@66-168-50-185.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #edubuntu === juliux [n=juliux@ubuntu/member/juliux] has joined #edubuntu === littlepaul [n=littlepa@p5084E276.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #edubuntu === irvin [n=irvin@202.138.170.72] has joined #edubuntu [11:21] what's the agenda for the meeting later? === P3L|C4N0 [n=gcamposm@200.106.9.133] has joined #edubuntu === Yagisan [n=jamie@60-240-87-69-nsw-pppoe.tpgi.com.au] has joined #edubuntu === ivan [n=ivan@194.84.5.222] has joined #edubuntu === bimberi [n=bimberi@ppp-46-134.grapevine.net.au] has joined #edubuntu [12:08] ping ogra or ogra__ [12:10] (having some issues requiring an op in #ubuntu) [12:15] nvm, Seveas to the rescue :) [12:22] hi guys, I think I am going to have to miss the meeting... [12:23] I seem to have a stomach bug or something :( [12:23] I am going to lie down, and will hopefully manage to come back otherwise please either [12:23] 1) Handle the meeting in my absence or [12:23] 2) We could reschedule for same time , same place tomorrow? [12:25] JaneW, i think we can lrun it in absentia .... [12:29] JaneW, i invited some of the edubuntu-fr guys that seem to run a completely separate project with own CD etc, i'd like to clearify and coordinate a bit with them... [12:38] Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have [12:38] requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable [12:38] distribution that some required packages have not yet been created [12:38] or been moved out of Incoming. [12:38] The following information may help to resolve the situation: [12:38] The following packages have unmet dependencies: [12:38] cupsys: Depends: poppler-utils but it is not going to be installed [12:38] xpdf-reader: Depends: lesstif2 but it is not installable [12:38] E: Broken packages [12:39] what's wrong, I am just updating from breezy to dapper [12:40] the c++ transition .... [12:40] install poppleer-utils and remove xpdf-reader [12:40] hu? [12:41] remove xpdf? [12:41] the libs underneath have changed ... if you run apt-get upgrade apt would have to uninstall stuff ... [12:41] try installing poppler-utils ... [12:41] conflicts with xpdf-utils [12:42] but I am removing this [12:42] xpdf is pretty dead, we use evince everywhere [12:42] evince is far advanced and uses lots of the xpdf internals to render pdf [12:43] YIPPIE !! [12:43] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/daily-live/ [12:44] it exists !! [12:44] ogra: I don't need it anyway:D [12:45] ah it is install cd [12:45] I thought live cd [12:46] its the liveCD [12:47] ah it is [12:48] but its broken ... [12:48] i was just told ... === lucasvo will get a new server for xmas :D [12:49] yay [12:55] but not one of these:( www.opteronics.com/quad-opteron-server.htm [12:55] who needs quad cpus anyway [12:56] someone who doesn't has heating in house :D === claude [n=claude@64.118.62.81.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #edubuntu === kjcole [n=kjcole@dsl092-145-217.wdc2.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #edubuntu [01:00] edubuntu meeting or not ? in #ubuntu-meeting .... === francoisb [n=francois@lns-bzn-37-82-253-56-220.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #edubuntu === mhz [n=mhz_chil@pc-252-84-215-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu === offray [n=morph@201.245.234.101] has joined #edubuntu === konfuzed [n=KonfuzeD@H135.C72.B0.tor.eicat.ca] has joined #edubuntu === thundr [n=thundr@66-168-50-185.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #edubuntu === irvin [n=irvin@202.138.170.90] has joined #edubuntu === claude [n=claude@64.118.62.81.cust.bluewin.ch] has left #edubuntu [] === \sh_away is now known as \sh [02:10] hi mhz [02:11] littlepaul: hi === mhz in a meeting ending in 5 minutes [02:11] k [02:12] littlepaul: re === flint [n=flint@69-164-122-221.sbtnvt.adelphia.net] has joined #edubuntu [02:12] littlepaul, are you working on german documentation ? [02:13] mhz, still here, but getting ready for work as usual... [02:13] kjcole: any chances Abiword .html or OOO.html work for your puroposes? [02:13] getting coffee... [02:14] we are curretnly trying to coordinate a bit between the dfferen languages ... there are lots of things thatmight be done in es or fr that you could grab ... as well as the opposite for them === ogra too ... === jsgotangco [n=jsg@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #edubuntu [02:14] i missed the meeting [02:14] it seems so [02:14] For *MY* purposes, anything would work. plain text would work. But the advantage of Lore (and other stuff) is the ability to auto-build indexes, tables of contents, etc. === jsgotangco as well [02:14] irvin: but you'll be able to read logs [02:15] i'm reading it right now [02:15] ogra, right; may I send you an email - I think you should take a look over the things [02:15] kjcole: moin does that too :p [02:15] i'll put up notes later the day [02:15] littlepaul, sure :) [02:15] hmm [02:15] mhz, setcam allready talked and emailed with you as I read [02:16] indeed, nice person [02:16] Lore comes with some nice style sheets, and an ability to generate good-looking LaTeX output as well. But I'm not the one committed to it. jelkner likes it, and I said "Looks easy. Fine." [02:16] hehehehe [02:16] okis [02:16] any screenshots of the user interacting? [02:16] kjcole, as i said, if we have a way to convert its all fine [02:17] btw when I said 12 degrees F this morning I misread. it is -12 degrees F.... [02:17] cosy [02:17] G'day mhz [02:17] grr [02:17] flint, hell freezes over on a regular basis when you're in that part of the world. (Been there, done that, for 20 years. It drove me south.) [02:18] kjcole: jsgotangco: any good KISS app. that lets real newbies to docbook/xml start generating such code? [02:18] The riots moved closer to my flat last night [02:18] Yagisan: hey!!! good news? [02:18] jsgotangco must be in vermont... ("this thing is freezing at the moment") [02:18] Yagisan: oooops! I can't understand why those riots? [02:18] some wankers were shooting at the christion primary school, and burned down a church [02:18] why did he grr ? [02:19] ogra could you explain what is exactly broken on the livecd? [02:19] littlepaul, nothing i hope [02:19] :) [02:19] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/daily-live/20051214.1/ should be fine for testing now [02:20] ok [02:20] mhz: In a nutshell, islamic extremists have provoked *every* other ethic group to take revenge on them [02:20] mhz, dunno. My sense of the little docbook I saw was that it was easy to get started, difficult to get sophisticated, and that the Ubuntu folks had their own set of prerequisites in addition to the basics. [02:20] ogra: remember last time I tried rsyncing in order to avoid re-downloading all again? (it did not wrok at all :( ) Any tips this time? === zakame [n=zak@210.213.89.165] has joined #edubuntu [02:20] Yagisan, the only white guy in his "bario" *G* [02:20] mhz, I found a reasonably good introduction somewhere on the web, and kept the URL somewhere. Will try to pass that on. [02:21] mhz, hmm, works here ... but for an initial download you wont gain anything anyway [02:21] littlepaul: Yes, I *am* the only white guy here. [02:21] sure, ogra [02:22] Yagisan: sorry to hear that. I always thought AU was not into racist stupid sheeps [02:22] littlepaul: the church that was burnt down was for the pacific islanders, the school was asian [02:22] mhz, the lore documentation, was short and simple. === mhz wonders what would white extremist feel when they realize they are minority [02:23] mhz: It's actually rampaging islamic groups [02:23] yagisan, my wife's from Australia, and has family in Sydney and the Blue Mountains. She hasn't been home in a long time but was a bit amazed by the news coming out of there. [02:23] I'm in sdyney [02:24] the curch that was burnt down, you could see it burning from my flat [02:24] Yagisan, :/ [02:24] s/curch/church [02:24] Her dad's in... Darlington? (I forget. near the university. 10 minute walk, I think.) [02:24] kjcole: I guess you are right but remember I am just a moin admin and far from being coder, so my only near 'commands' experience is the command line interface, not tags. So if you happen to have 2 or 3 screenshots of how a user interacts with Lore.. would be excellent. [02:24] kjcole: Probably darlinghurst. Anyway, the mob is from lakemba,punchbowl and bankstown [02:25] mhz, Easy. Will do. [02:25] kjcole: your wife may remember what gettos those places are === jsgotangco [n=jsg@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #edubuntu [02:25] kjcole: thank you very much [02:26] I feel odd, that I have to arm myself, just to go to the shop [02:26] very bad :( [02:26] Yagisan, She wouldn't. She didn't grow up in Sydney. She knows Hobart. (When we met she teased "I'm not Australian. I'm Tasmanian." To which I responded "Tasmaniac is more like it.") === francoisb [n=francois@lns-bzn-37-82-253-56-220.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #edubuntu [02:26] yesterday an 11 month old child was attacked because it was white ! [02:27] I'm glad my kids aren't white [02:27] Yagisan, but her dad moved to Sydney, her sis moved to the US and then back to the Blue Mountains. [02:28] Yagisan, but she says there've always been "issues" with some of the aboriginal community. Now something new. [02:28] Yagisan: i am truly sorry [02:28] that's so sad [02:28] Yagisan, rough. Much sympathy. [02:29] the thing that is really annoying, is all the white people get called racists for defending themselves [02:29] yet, we can clearly see on tv [02:29] we have white, black, and yellow people [02:30] all getting revenge [02:30] and yet, only one colour is racist ??? [02:30] WTF ? [02:31] ... === mhz wouldn't know what to do to even start finding solutions [02:31] Yagisan, and when their children are old enough, they'll join the fray and continue the cycle, as they will have had family injured or killed. [02:32] Although not necessarily ideal, the best attempt I'v seen at dealing with stuff like this was South Africa's Truth and Reconciliation Commission. [02:32] I know. And it all stared because some idiots decided that because most of us are non-islamic, they can do what they like to us === ealden [n=ealden@219.90.93.154] has joined #edubuntu [02:33] I'm an "out" atheist myself. And I worry about where the US is going with regard to religious zealotry from any religion. [02:33] then some more idiots decided, that beating the shit out of the first group was the best solution [02:34] jsgotangco, was that grr before you left for us ? [02:34] my client froze and was only stuck in one channel [02:34] =) [02:34] ah, k, i was already worried :) [02:34] then the first group decided to get revenge for the beating they got, and starts burning down churches, and attacking children [02:34] =) === jsgotangco is editing AsianBusinessTour pages [02:35] jsgotangco: I thought you were perhaps visiting vermont, with -12 F temperatures. (You said your system was "freezing") [02:35] I'm also an atheist, by better half is a buddhist/shinto [02:35] s/by/my [02:35] -12 F jesus christ [02:36] jsgotangco: just to cheer up, finlsand is colder === jsgotangco enjoys the lush equatorial weather [02:37] jsgotangco: Fortunately I'm further south. (The -12 was a Flint report, as he's new to that area.) Still the temperatures here in DC are expected to be +24 F to +32 F. So, below or at freezing all day today. === Yagisan "enjoys" the smell of something burning === Yagisan wishes he had already moved to Tokyo [02:39] ogra: jsgotangco: any chances/ideas we can avoid creation of these kind of wiki pages: aLEXsANCHEZsECO? [02:39] mhz, we cant ... [02:39] its a wiki [02:39] that should read: AlexSanchezSeco [02:39] nope [02:39] Well, running late. Time to go pretend to work. [02:40] kjcole: :) [02:40] unless you like to be a wiki nazi *grin* [02:40] I think we already have wiki nazis, don't we ? [02:40] cao kjcole [02:40] *ciao even [02:40] Ta-ta all. [02:41] kjcole, see ya [02:41] jsgotangco: not at all but this is not a wiki for you to play with, it's a wiki to share 'info' related to ubuntu [02:41] mhz: there isn't a difference. [02:41] ? [02:41] mhz, i think its just a matter of setting ground rules and letting people know. why not spearhead an ubuntu-wiki school just like what the motu does [02:42] i'm pretty sure people will like to attend that [02:42] it's a wiki, it can be abused because of that very fact [02:42] Yagisan: if so, why stopping wiki spammers? [02:43] wikis have that freedom nature to share data [02:44] mhz, we know its a social issue not a technical one [02:44] but that does not mean anyone can wiki whatever they want (porno, mp3, advertising, etc) [02:44] a technical solution can easily be circumvented i'm sure you're very aware of that [02:44] yup [02:44] yep, we need people to keep the wiki clean [02:45] jsgotangco: so do you know of any draft of wiki ground 'rules'? [02:45] and to fix things like cAPS lOCK impaired people [02:45] i believe mdke made some... [02:45] :) [02:45] but our favorite barrister seems to be busy lately... [02:46] ogra, still interested in willow? [02:46] hmm, okis. I hope I can help as soon as I can read that draft [02:46] since it depends on multiverse? [02:46] all the best tools are in multiverse ;) [02:46] :) [02:46] Yagisan, thats not true :p [02:46] spacey, i'm not sure it really needs the profiler [02:46] we can probably patch it out ... [02:47] ogra, hmhm i'm busy like crazy here. I don't think i'll be able to hack much code, especially since im not into python yet [02:47] but currently my focus is on the CDs, flight 2 is at the door, the isos need testing [02:47] i'll look into it... i'll package it anyway [02:48] spacey: yeah, some of the best ones don't even get packaged :( eg libdvdcss === Yagisan notes most of his multimedia packages had to come from multiverse [02:49] Yagisan, you just use the wrong media then :P [02:49] ogra: bah, I like my MPEG4 [02:50] Yagisan, i got that package installed:P [02:50] seveas has it in his repository === Yagisan backported xvidcore from dapper for the amd64 speedups [02:51] spacey: I run my own third party repo too, no surprises for guessing what is in it [02:51] s/surprises/prizes [02:52] ;p === mhz /me bbl [03:01] I am taking the term wikinazis and imortalizing it. you guys are good. very good.... [03:02] i'm just following the footsteps of the original word playing nazi at the moment [03:03] flint: immortalising :-P === Yagisan goes looking for matching uniform, to go with my bad taste - perhaps something prince harry style, before I'm lynched. [03:06] "Here lies Yagisan, lynched for making bad taste jokes on IRC at 1 in the morning, RIP" === juliux [n=juliux@ubuntu/member/juliux] has joined #edubuntu [03:07] Yagisan, you are a god to me, admitedly a Tutonic Norse god, but a god none-the-less! Thanks for this great contribution to the language of sarcasism.. === Yagisan is humbled and honored to be considered a god by someone, and yet wonders why his kids think they are superior to him. [03:14] haha === jinty [n=jinty@205.134.224.215] has joined #edubuntu [03:59] Yagisan, jsgotangco I am gonna cause trouble somewhere else for a while. Thanks and bye... === flint [n=flint@69-164-122-221.sbtnvt.adelphia.net] has left #edubuntu ["Leaving"] [03:59] later === vincenzio [n=vmarks@adsl-065-015-231-005.sip.rmo.bellsouth.net] has joined #edubuntu === jsg_ [n=jsg@203.215.118.152] has joined #edubuntu [04:15] http://pastebin.com/463746 < apt-get upgrade doesn't seem to work [04:17] lucasvo: please don't force install on errors [04:18] -f means --fix-missing ;) [04:18] Yagisan: I just tried to update from breezy to dapper [04:18] but dont expect KDE stuff to work ... [04:18] aptitude is a better choice for fix missing [04:18] ogra: it is not kde stuff, it is removing my edubuntu stuff! [04:18] the c++ libraries underneath have been transitioned [04:19] so the kde apps might cause probs until everything was rebuilt against the new ones [04:19] dubuntu-desktop edubuntu-server eog evince evolution evolution-exchange evolution-plugins gedit gnome-app-install gnome-cups-manager gnome-utils gpaint gthumb gtkhtml3.8 hotplug hplip-base kdelibs4c2 kiosktool kmessedwords libarts1c2 libboost-python1.33.0 libcupsys2-gnutls10 libgnomecups1.0-1 libgnomecupsui1.0-1 libgnomeprint2.2-0 libgnomeprintui2.2-0 libgtkhtml3.8-15 libgtksourceview1.0-0 libkcal2a libkdeedu1 libkdepim1 libkleopatra0a libmimelib1a li [04:20] ither take the risk of a dist-upgrade or wait aome days [04:20] http://pastebin.com/463755 [04:21] libarts1c2 and kdelibs4c2 changed their name afaik [04:23] kdelibs4c2 will get removed, kdelibs4c2a will get installed etc ... [04:23] if there are packages relying on them but are not rebuilt yet they will only get removed until the new packages are there [04:24] edubuntu-server depends on postgresql8.1 the old one depeneded on 8.0 [04:27] ogra: so I first need to install postgresql8.1? [04:27] to keep the edubuntu-server metapackage, yes ... [04:28] but you can install edubntu-server afterwards as well ... [04:28] no matter which order you take ... just wanted to point out that this errors are not worrying [04:29] ok [04:29] and why is edubuntu desktop being removed as well as edubuntu? [04:29] ehm I mean evolution? [04:34] I quite like the website design of ubuntu-fr [04:35]