| \sh | Riddell: is there no other possibilty to extract the .pot files without having automake and autoconf build-deps? | 12:21 |
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| \sh | Riddell: because even ksynaptics breaks when doing the patches and additional rules for this | 12:23 |
| Riddell | \sh: you shouldn't need automake/autoconf | 12:23 |
| \sh | well...the build tells me something else :* | 12:23 |
| \sh | when I apply the patch directly into the debianized source tree...it complains about missing automake1.6 and wants to recreate configure bla | 12:25 |
| \sh | Riddell: it runs the first time configure...and then when it's in building target... | 12:28 |
| \sh | /usr/bin/make | 12:28 |
| \sh | make[1] : Entering directory `/tmp/buildd/ksynaptics-0.2.2' | 12:28 |
| \sh | *** Creating configure.files | 12:28 |
| \sh | *** Creating acinclude.m4 | 12:28 |
| \sh | cd . && /bin/sh /tmp/buildd/ksynaptics-0.2.2/admin/missing --run aclocal-1.6 | 12:28 |
| === amu detects keyword love match for ksynaptics | ||
| \sh | amu: it's the touchpad configuratio utility :) | 12:38 |
| \sh | same shit different way | 12:41 |
| \sh | I apply the patch...it runs configure...and after that...it wants to recreate all auto* stuff | 12:41 |
| \sh | Riddell: any solution to avoid this? | 12:51 |
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| Riddell | \sh_away: you may need to set AM_MAINTAINER_MODE | 03:01 |
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| Diablo-D3 | insert final fantasy victory music here. | 07:15 |
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| Diablo-D3 | yay | 08:35 |
| Diablo-D3 | so far on dapper, theres only one thing broken | 08:36 |
| Diablo-D3 | and it takes a whole 1:27 to start my laptop =( | 08:37 |
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| Tonio_ | hi | 10:15 |
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| sebas | Riddell: Could you close this one: http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=18237 ? | 11:37 |
| sebas | The fix is in our svn. | 11:37 |
| Diablo-D3 | gah | 11:42 |
| Diablo-D3 | launchpad is fucking useless | 11:42 |
| Diablo-D3 | what the fuck! | 11:49 |
| mornfall | Riddell: i guess there was no response from mdz | 12:03 |
| Riddell | mornfall: not yet :( | 12:04 |
| Riddell | sebas: marked as PENDINGUPLOAD | 12:05 |
| sebas | Riddell: Ok. | 12:06 |
| sebas | I'll just add a patch which fixes two more services. | 12:06 |
| sebas | Or do you want it mailed? | 12:07 |
| Riddell | sebas: no, it'll get fixed whenevr guidance makes its next release :) | 12:09 |
| sebas | Riddell: Ok. | 12:10 |
| sebas | The next release will probably have displayconfig working for single head setups and add a bunch of usability fixes to the modules. | 12:10 |
| sebas | And a nice dialogue showing the usage of your diskspace :) | 12:11 |
| sebas | When does dapper freeze? | 12:11 |
| Riddell | http://wiki.kubuntu.org/DapperReleaseSchedule January 19th | 12:11 |
| viviersf | Riddell, whats up with dapper kubuntu + network tool | 12:11 |
| viviersf | is knetworkconf gonna get fixed | 12:12 |
| viviersf | or you gonna use gnome-system-tools ? | 12:12 |
| Riddell | viviersf: knetworkconf is pretty high priority to fix | 12:12 |
| viviersf | k | 12:12 |
| viviersf | so you gonna fix it ? | 12:12 |
| Riddell | sebas: that's upstream version freeze | 12:12 |
| viviersf | cos the bigest problem Riddell is | 12:12 |
| viviersf | that it doesnt put the gateway into the file | 12:12 |
| viviersf | and thats mostly it | 12:12 |
| viviersf | if that was fixed id be happy | 12:13 |
| Riddell | viviersf: yes, I'm planning to look at it this week or next | 12:13 |
| viviersf | Riddell, if you can this week plz :P | 12:13 |
| Riddell | yeah, but fixing kpdf is alas more important just now | 12:13 |
| viviersf | i would like to release impi | 12:14 |
| viviersf | with a working knetworkconf | 12:14 |
| viviersf | and removing gnome tools | 12:14 |
| viviersf | but cool | 12:14 |
| viviersf | drop me an email when you fixed it plz | 12:14 |
| Riddell | ok | 12:15 |
| Riddell | apt-cache rdepends kdelibs4c2 groovy | 12:16 |
| Tonio_ | hi all, viviersf, Riddell | 12:31 |
| viviersf | lo Tonio_ | 12:31 |
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| Riddell | amU: about? | 03:01 |
| Riddell | or anyone with a powerpc? | 03:01 |
| Riddell | mornfall: mvo's new update-notifier popup http://people.ubuntu.com/~mvo/update-notifier/lala.png | 03:01 |
| freeflying | Riddell: hi | 03:05 |
| freeflying | I'using ppc now | 03:05 |
| Riddell | freeflying: ooh, fancy testing the flight-2 candidate? | 03:05 |
| freeflying | Riddell: ok | 03:06 |
| Riddell | freeflying: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/20051214.1/dapper-live-powerpc.iso | 03:06 |
| Riddell | freeflying: and http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily/20051214.1/dapper-install-powerpc.iso | 03:06 |
| jjesse | is it for i386 as well riddell? | 03:07 |
| jjesse | cause i can test that | 03:07 |
| freeflying | I'm downloading daily livecd now | 03:07 |
| Riddell | freeflying: thanks | 03:07 |
| freeflying | it's seems too slow for me :( | 03:07 |
| Riddell | jjesse: I've already tested i386 although more testing is always welcome | 03:08 |
| freeflying | Riddell: it;s need about 14 hrs | 03:08 |
| jjesse | oh ok i can play around with it today as well | 03:08 |
| jjesse | btw did you see wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperFlight2 | 03:09 |
| Riddell | freeflying: we might have to release before that but it'll still need testing so keep downloading if you can | 03:11 |
| Riddell | jjesse: that's quite impressive | 03:11 |
| freeflying | Riddell: right | 03:13 |
| jjesse | Riddell: i agree think we should do a KubuntuDapperFlight2 ? | 03:18 |
| Riddell | jjesse: it would be nice but I don't have time to do any more than proofreading and I'm not sure what we'd put in it | 03:20 |
| jjesse | Riddell: ok i might have sometime today to wip something up and i'll let you know | 03:22 |
| Riddell | jjesse: would be lovely | 03:22 |
| Riddell | "all new libstdc++ mt allocator!" | 03:22 |
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| verwilst | Riddell: do we have an update notifier popup for kde too in dapper? ;) | 03:32 |
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| Riddell | verwilst: mornfall is working on one | 03:33 |
| mornfall | verwilst: it's not popping up so far | 03:34 |
| mornfall | verwilst: and i'm not sure i want it to | 03:34 |
| mornfall | one of the things i hate *most* about windows is the update popup | 03:35 |
| verwilst | hh | 03:35 |
| verwilst | what will it do then? | 03:35 |
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| verwilst | mornfall: ? :p | 04:35 |
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| mornfall | verwilst: wha? | 05:32 |
| verwilst | mornfall: the update notif thingy | 05:33 |
| verwilst | how do you 'envision' it? | 05:33 |
| mornfall | verwilst: what's with it? | 05:33 |
| mornfall | if it was for me, it's done :) | 05:33 |
| verwilst | if it won't be a popup thingy | 05:33 |
| mornfall | sits in systray as a green thingy if up to date, and as a exclamation thingy when not up to date | 05:33 |
| mornfall | an* | 05:33 |
| verwilst | suhweet | 05:33 |
| verwilst | i've been missing that ;) | 05:34 |
| mornfall | tooltips says up to date or how many upgradable packages | 05:34 |
| mornfall | tooltip* | 05:34 |
| mornfall | a passive popup could maybe work, or maybe not | 05:34 |
| mornfall | i'll see | 05:35 |
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| lucasvo | hi, | 05:40 |
| Riddell | hi lucasvo | 05:40 |
| lucasvo | can you please fix the dependencies for kiosktool and synce-kde ? | 05:40 |
| Riddell | kiosktool decided to randomly break last night when I uploaded, I'll investigate why | 05:41 |
| lucasvo | They both have wrong entry for kdelibs4c2 on dapper | 05:41 |
| verwilst | mornfall: is it planned for dapper? | 05:42 |
| mornfall | verwilst: yes | 05:43 |
| verwilst | w00t safe | 05:44 |
| verwilst | coolness | 05:44 |
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| verwilst | going home! | 05:51 |
| verwilst | see ya | 05:51 |
| Riddell | cheereo verwilst | 05:52 |
| Riddell | hi jansen | 05:52 |
| Riddell | lucasvo: synce-kde uploaded, keep an eye on http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/s/synce-kde/ | 05:52 |
| lucasvo | Riddell: danke | 05:54 |
| lucasvo | Riddell: oh that was german. thank you | 05:55 |
| Riddell | :) | 05:56 |
| allee | Riddell: kontact (kmail) any showstopper in flight2-tobe release? No ==> then I'll install test it | 05:58 |
| author-psi | lucasvo: (verplappert sich oft :) ) | 05:58 |
| allee | s/no/yes/ argl | 05:58 |
| Riddell | allee: pardon? | 05:59 |
| Riddell | allee: I applied the patch that upstream recommended | 05:59 |
| allee | Riddell: you asked for testers of today dapper CDROM. I have to replace a 80 GB disk with a 100 GB an grumble about replacing breezy with dapper. But Kmail is essential | 06:00 |
| allee | okay I take that kmail has no showstoppers. So breezy has to go. | 06:01 |
| Riddell | allee: shouldn't have any | 06:01 |
| Riddell | but I can't guarantee it... this is kamil | 06:02 |
| Riddell | kmail | 06:02 |
| allee | Riddell: ;) | 06:02 |
| allee | I can work around anything but mutt instead of kmail is really stressing the nerves ;) | 06:03 |
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| jjesse_ | the daily build of dapper (flight 2) live cd works fine w/ no issues | 06:55 |
| jjesse_ | is that kde 3.5 on it? | 06:55 |
| Riddell | jjesse_: that is kde 3.5 | 06:58 |
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| jjesse | ok working on some notes | 07:02 |
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| dholbach | hellas! | 07:25 |
| Riddell | welcome along dholbach :) | 07:26 |
| dholbach | can somebody proof-read/enhance/fix/add-bling-factor to http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/Draft? | 07:26 |
| dholbach | we really need it to fix up universe bugs ... and the desktop team and the kubuntu team as well :) | 07:26 |
| Riddell | dholbach: can I edit? | 07:27 |
| dholbach | sure | 07:27 |
| dholbach | we want this to be the best bug day ever | 07:27 |
| dholbach | and the next one even better :) | 07:27 |
| Riddell | I think we need to bottle dholbach and sell it as a motivation tonic | 07:30 |
| dholbach | it's being together with vuntz | 07:30 |
| dholbach | that helps ;) | 07:31 |
| Riddell | vuntz? who is vuntz? | 07:31 |
| dholbach | vincent untz | 07:31 |
| dholbach | a gnome-desktop-team-ubuntu-rock'n'roll-community-french-hat-wearing-hacker | 07:32 |
| Riddell | dholbach: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/Draft grammer checked, spelling corrected, kubuntu paragraph added | 07:33 |
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| dholbach | Riddell: merci beaucoup | 07:36 |
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| seth_k | thanks for the krusader stuff Riddell | 08:01 |
| seth_k | glad to know there was a weird problem and not just me being incompetent :) | 08:01 |
| Sime | is anyone using nvidia's video drivers here? (and the agp support from nvidia?) | 08:21 |
| === Sime has been working on a X configuration utility. | ||
| Riddell | not I | 08:23 |
| Riddell | Sime: maybe people in #kubuntu do | 08:23 |
| Sime | Riddell: i'll give it a go. I'm trying to work out agpgart and kernel modules loading issues. | 08:24 |
| Sime | Riddell: I sent most of sunday blowing up my other computer with the help of nvidia's driver. :-) | 08:25 |
| Riddell | fun :) | 08:26 |
| === Riddell spots http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/dapper/flight-2/ | ||
| dholbach | Riddell: you have a kubuntu related bug page or something? | 08:31 |
| dholbach | on the wiki? | 08:31 |
| dholbach | something, that could be on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/TeamSpecifics and maybe should be in the bug day announce? | 08:32 |
| tvo | Sime: I am (at least nvidia's video drivers, would have to check whether I'm also using the agp support from nvidia) | 08:33 |
| Sime | tvo: run lsmod and look for a apg* | 08:34 |
| Sime | tvo: agp* | 08:34 |
| Sime | tvo: if you are using the nvidia agp stuff you would probably know it. It is a real pain to get setup. | 08:34 |
| tvo | Sime: no agp in output of lsmod, so I'm only using binary drivers.. | 08:35 |
| Sime | tvo: you are using AGP and not PCIe? | 08:37 |
| tvo | Sime: yeah | 08:37 |
| Sime | tvo: yeah AGP? | 08:37 |
| tvo | Sime: yeah AGP :) | 08:37 |
| Sime | tvo: lsmod really doesn't list agpgart or something? | 08:38 |
| Riddell | dholbach: a very short section on https://wiki.kubuntu.org/HelpingKubuntu | 08:38 |
| tvo | Sime: no, I already wondered where it went when running lsmod.. | 08:38 |
| Sime | tvo: odd, very odd | 08:38 |
| dholbach | Riddell: you want to link it fom the bugs/teamspecifics page? | 08:39 |
| Sime | tvo: maybe your Xorg is not accelerated. | 08:39 |
| Sime | tvo: it is possible to not use AGP. | 08:39 |
| tvo | Sime: if Xorg isn't accelerated, then OpenGL isn't accelerated too, right? | 08:39 |
| Sime | tvo: true | 08:40 |
| Sime | tvo: there is probably a message in /var/log/Xorg.0.log from the driver about AGP. | 08:40 |
| tvo | Sime: then I guess that's pretty much impossible, have been running+developing an OGL based RTS last few weeks | 08:40 |
| tvo | unless my processor is really ultra fast in software rendering.. | 08:41 |
| Sime | tvo: maybe AGP only makes difference when transferring large textures... :-/ | 08:41 |
| Sime | tvo: this blog has some interesting and hard to find info: http://www.ramikayyali.com/ | 08:42 |
| Sime | tvo: i'm working on a config tool for Xorg. Which is why I'm interrorgating (sp?) you. | 08:42 |
| tvo | no problem | 08:43 |
| Riddell | dholbach: done | 08:43 |
| dholbach | Riddell: ROCK! | 08:44 |
| tvo | Sime: hm, there are (recent) agpgart messages (no errors) in syslog.. | 08:44 |
| dholbach | added the page to the announce | 08:44 |
| sebas | Sime: lsmod has " agpgart 34792 2 nvidia,amd64_agp " | 08:44 |
| Sime | sebas: that is linux agpgart. I don't know if it is better or worse than the one from nvidia. It is certainly a lot easier to use though. | 08:45 |
| sebas | Oow, I thought you were after agpgart, not nvagp. | 08:45 |
| Sime | I'm just curious to know what people are using and whether supporting nvidia's module is necessary. | 08:46 |
| sebas | miro.sebas(~): grep -i nvagp /etc/X11/xorg.conf 20:46:23 | 08:46 |
| sebas | Option "NVAgp" "0" | 08:46 |
| sebas | That might have a reason I don't want to remember :> | 08:46 |
| Sime | maybe the drivers work fine with the standard kernel module | 08:47 |
| Sime | NVAgp = disabled. | 08:47 |
| sebas | Jup. | 08:47 |
| Sime | NVAgp 0 | 08:47 |
| Sime | sebas: have a look at that blog link. | 08:47 |
| tvo | apparently, I can't find any errors in syslog or Xorg.0.log | 08:47 |
| Sime | tvo: it doesn't say anything? | 08:47 |
| === sebas looks. | ||
| sebas | Sime: I'll try nvidia-agp. | 08:51 |
| tvo | Sime: it just says http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/464152 | 08:51 |
| Sime | sebas: let me know if the performance is better/worse, and also stability | 08:51 |
| Riddell | anyone having kpdf problems on breezy with KDE 3.5? | 08:51 |
| tvo | I'll try too | 08:51 |
| sebas | Yup, if I get it to run in the first place. | 08:51 |
| Riddell | JRe? | 08:52 |
| tvo | Riddell: I don't have any problems with it | 08:52 |
| Sime | tvo: is there an Option "NVAgp" line in you /etc/X11/xorg.conf? | 08:52 |
| tvo | Sime: no | 08:52 |
| Sime | tvo: it must be defaulting to 3 : use any agp support (try AGPGART, then NVIDIA's AGP) | 08:55 |
| tvo | Sime: apparently, and agpgart is compiled in the kernel.. or it would have been listed by lsmod? | 08:56 |
| Sime | tvo: the default kernel uses a module. | 08:56 |
| Sime | tvo: in breezy | 08:56 |
| sebas | Sime: glxgears report with agpgart 3875 fps, with nvidia-agp 5075. | 08:57 |
| tvo | strange, because there is no module, but yet there is output.. | 08:57 |
| sebas | So it works, and it's a lot faster. | 08:57 |
| Sime | sebas: well, ... a fair bit faster. ;-) | 08:58 |
| Sime | sebas: did you hack your hotplug and module files? | 08:58 |
| tvo | is the NvAgp line the only thing to change to enable it? | 08:58 |
| sebas | Yup, otherwise it would use agpgart automatically. | 08:58 |
| sebas | In fact, it used nvidia-agp despite NVAgp 0 in xorg.conf. | 08:59 |
| Sime | but you might have trouble loading the nvidia agp module. | 08:59 |
| Sime | sebas: BTW, are you using PyWireless? http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=28637 | 09:00 |
| sebas | I didn't | 09:00 |
| sebas | Nope. | 09:00 |
| sebas | Why would I have trouble loading the agp module, when it's only disabled in xorg.conf? | 09:01 |
| Sime | the nvidia agp module might not want to load if the linux one is already loaded. | 09:01 |
| sebas | Ow, but I blacklisted it and rebooted (something held amd64_agp, so I couldn't unload that). | 09:03 |
| Sime | tja ja. | 09:03 |
| Sime | that 's the trick | 09:03 |
| === sebas admits being lame, though. | ||
| sebas | I'll just try an OpenGL game, see if it's stable. | 09:04 |
| Sime | I'm trying to work out if displayconfig should manage the blacklist file too. | 09:04 |
| Sime | tuxracer makes a fairly good stress test. | 09:04 |
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| tvo | Sime: I'll test nvagp sometime soon, just don't feel like restarting x atm and it isn't going to work on a second x.. | 09:06 |
| Sime | tvo: fair enough. | 09:08 |
| Sime | i'm going downstairs. | 09:08 |
| sebas | FWIW, no crash. | 09:09 |
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| Riddell | kat package needs an update, any volunteers? | 10:52 |
| dholbach | come on kubuntu developers: this is your first step to the kubuntu wall of fame! more enthusiasm! :-) | 10:55 |
| seth_k|lappy | I'm out and on the road and things until tonight (done with fall semester of uni today) but if you can wait till then I'll do it tonight :) | 10:55 |
| seth_k|lappy | Riddell, you made me gun-shy with that krusader package and its scary bugs though :P | 10:55 |
| dholbach | seth_k|lappy: that's a challenge, get cracking on it! :) | 10:56 |
| Riddell | they're not all as bad as krusader :) | 10:57 |
| seth_k|lappy | hehe | 10:57 |
| dholbach | seth_k|lappy: after all, it's fun and you can always whack upstream :) | 10:58 |
| dholbach | ... which reminds me... | 10:58 |
| seth_k|lappy | well then if you can wait till tonight (tomorrow for you) I'll deliver you a happy purring Kat | 10:58 |
| === dholbach needs to follow up on a bug report | ||
| allee | dholbach: well, I assume we all test the kubuntu flight2 CD, no time for packages ;) | 10:58 |
| dholbach | do both :) | 10:59 |
| === seth_k|lappy likes packaging terribly much, too bad I'm rather slow at it | ||
| === ..[topic/#kubuntu-devel:Riddell] : Flight 2 out || https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuDapperGoals || http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu | ||
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| dholbach | seth_k|lappy: you'll become faster over the time, don't worry :) | 11:00 |
| dholbach | good night everybody | 11:13 |
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| raphink | Riddell: are you there? | 11:37 |
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